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easty
11-01-2020, 01:05 PM
Kennedy isn’t one if look twice at tbh. Was average when we had him and doesn’t work hard enough for what we need. We already have Horgan.

Horgan is better.

04Sauzee
11-01-2020, 01:30 PM
Anyone think we will have new signings before the cup tie?

I'd be surprised tbh.

Gordy M
11-01-2020, 01:36 PM
When you look around the other teams and ourselves, its obvious that it can be quite difficult to get decent January signings. Im mot saying yiu cant get the odd gem but its pretty rare. You are relying on signing a player who isnt playing or is in the last 6 months on his contract. It may be that the players we are looking for may not be available, and i really dont see the point in signing someone just to appease us fans. I look at the names being banded about throughout the league and no one really excites me or what i think we need.

I think we may sign one, possibly two, but dont think it will be anymore than that.

Heisenberg
11-01-2020, 01:44 PM
I'd be surprised tbh.

I’d be very disappointed (and surprised) if we weren’t able to strengthen before that game.

Italian press reckon Omeonga has returned to Genoa and Venezia want to sign him.

CMurdoch
11-01-2020, 01:55 PM
Yams after a striker from Blackburn called Dom Samuel, Rovers fans tell me he is not very good😁

This guy had a bad injury and has played little first team football since returning so Hearts would be daft to take him.
Apparently he is very fast but don't know if the quality is there with him.

Hibiza
11-01-2020, 01:57 PM
I’d be very disappointed (and surprised) if we weren’t able to strengthen before that game.

Italian press reckon Omeonga has returned to Genoa and Venezia want to sign him.

Quality player , we should have gotten.

WillowbraeHibby
11-01-2020, 02:00 PM
I’d be very disappointed (and surprised) if we weren’t able to strengthen before that game.

Italian press reckon Omeonga has returned to Genoa and Venezia want to sign him.

Unfortunately as much as I would like to see Omeonga return to ER, I can't see it happening.. That ship has sailed.

MacGruber
11-01-2020, 02:01 PM
When you look around the other teams and ourselves, its obvious that it can be quite difficult to get decent January signings. Im mot saying yiu cant get the odd gem but its pretty rare. You are relying on signing a player who isnt playing or is in the last 6 months on his contract. It may be that the players we are looking for may not be available, and i really dont see the point in signing someone just to appease us fans. I look at the names being banded about throughout the league and no one really excites me or what i think we need.

I think we may sign one, possibly two, but dont think it will be anymore than that.

Lots of truth to this and I don't disagree though saying that our last 2 January windows have been far better than our last 2 summer windows. We've had 2 cracking January windows so I guess just hoping for another one even if we did get lucky 2 years running

Kamberi, McLaren & Allan

Omeonga & McNulty

Both sets of additions fundamental to our successful 2nd half of last 2 seasons

Gordy M
11-01-2020, 02:10 PM
Lots of truth to this and I don't disagree though saying that our last 2 January windows have been far better than our last 2 summer windows. We've had 2 cracking January windows so I guess just hoping for another one even if we did get lucky 2 years running

Kamberi, McLaren & Allan

Omeonga & McNulty

Both sets of additions fundamental to our successful 2nd half of last 2 seasons
Absolutely and another window like that would be great, i was really trying to make the point that i can see a bit of panic starting to creep in with certain fans because we havent signed anyond yet. I just dont think its that easy in January, and ive not seen any names that we need at the moment. Hopefull JR has a couple in mind we can get in.

MacGruber
11-01-2020, 02:19 PM
Absolutely and another window like that would be great, i was really trying to make the point that i can see a bit of panic starting to creep in with certain fans because we havent signed anyond yet. I just dont think its that easy in January, and ive not seen any names that we need at the moment. Hopefull JR has a couple in mind we can get in.

Yeah agreed mate it is normally a difficult window, here's hoping.

tonyrougier123
11-01-2020, 02:20 PM
Unfortunately as much as I would like to see Omeonga return to ER, I can't see it happening.. That ship has sailed.

I think if hibs want him we should actively pursue that deal to get him back,at any cost unless its silly money.
But I can't see them commanding a big loan fee now with a clause to make it permanent.
He is exactly what we need.
Easily takes mallans place in the side,and he would have some job trying to get it back imo.
No brainer hibs!!

flash
11-01-2020, 02:23 PM
I think if hibs want him we should actively pursue that deal to get him back,at any cost unless its silly money.
But I can't see them commanding a big loan fee now with a clause to make it permanent.
He is exactly what we need.
Easily takes mallans place in the side,and he would have some job trying to get it back imo.
No brainer hibs!!
He really wasnt as good as some people remember.

CallumLaidlaw
11-01-2020, 02:27 PM
He really wasnt as good as some people remember.

While my opinion is a lot of folk underestimate how good he was. I thought he was excellent and still very young. Very mobile, snapped about players. Final ball needed to be more consistent but his assist at Perth showed what he was capable of


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Heisenberg
11-01-2020, 02:32 PM
While my opinion is a lot of folk underestimate how good he was. I thought he was excellent and still very young. Very mobile, snapped about players. Final ball needed to be more consistent but his assist at Perth showed what he was capable of


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My thoughts too. Gave us plenty energy and won the ball back countless times. Only player in our midfield under Hecky that could actually get about the pitch.

bingo70
11-01-2020, 02:36 PM
My thoughts too. Gave us plenty energy and won the ball back countless times. Only player in our midfield under Hecky that could actually get about the pitch.

I think we became too reliant on him to create things as an attacking midfielder when that was never his game.

Omeonga being a menace in the middle of the park nicking balls here and there and then giving it to Scott Allan sounds good to me.

tonyrougier123
11-01-2020, 02:37 PM
He really wasnt as good as some people remember.

I disagree tbh flash,but folk see players different.
He brought a lot to the midfield as I seen it bud.

SquashedFrogg
11-01-2020, 02:37 PM
Anyone think we will have new signings before the cup tie?

Unless anyone on here is directly involved in the clubs recruitment activities then nobody knows the answer to that.

flash
11-01-2020, 02:39 PM
I disagree tbh flash,but folk see players different.
He brought a lot to the midfield as I seen it bud.

As you say we all see different things. He was decent for me but no more than that.

we are hibs
11-01-2020, 02:40 PM
He really wasnt as good as some people remember.

He really was. Some people wouldnt recgonise a footballer if they rattled a ball off their arse though

Hibbyradge
11-01-2020, 02:42 PM
Good Thicot knowledge:not worth

Did you know he also won the u17s Euros for France, same team as Ben Arfa, Benzema, Samir Nasri etc? Beat a Spain team including Fabregas in the final.

I'm guessing he knows this extremely well!

Hibbyradge
11-01-2020, 02:43 PM
Anyone think we will have new signings before the cup tie?

Yes.

CockneyRebel
11-01-2020, 02:46 PM
He really was. Some people wouldnt recognise a footballer if they rattled a ball off their arse though


No need bud, no need.

SquashedFrogg
11-01-2020, 02:47 PM
He really wasnt as good as some people remember.

Excellent wee player for us I thought. Technically very good. Tenacious when required. Picked a pass and good in tight situations.

Young player, thus prone to the odd mistake, but I think he'd walk into our team right now.

Above all this he also brought a feel good factor around the stadium from his personality. Connected with the support in a way that McGeough (for example) never.

Certainly the type of player I'd love to see at Hibs.

CMurdoch
11-01-2020, 02:48 PM
Yes.

I'll say no with the caveat if we announce Bogdan that doesn't count.

On that front, Hibs and Preston should offer Maxwell to Hearts so that we can complete our business with Bogdan.
Maxwell is better than any of their 3 keepers.

flash
11-01-2020, 02:52 PM
He really was. Some people wouldnt recgonise a footballer if they rattled a ball off their arse though

Away and boil yer heed.

Brightside
11-01-2020, 02:58 PM
Omeonga wasn’t a great footballer but his energy and drive is exactly what we are missing right. Win the ball quickly, move it quickly. Everything we need.

hibsmad
11-01-2020, 03:00 PM
He really was. Some people wouldnt recgonise a footballer if they rattled a ball off their arse though

I said it previously on this thread, in my opinion if we signed Omeonga then we will finish top 4.

He's exactly what we need and a cracking wee player.

The Modfather
11-01-2020, 03:02 PM
I think we became too reliant on him to create things as an attacking midfielder when that was never his game.

Omeonga being a menace in the middle of the park nicking balls here and there and then giving it to Scott Allan sounds good to me.

Agree with this. Omeonga isn’t a creative player, he ended up further forward trying to play what isn’t his natural game as his energy took him into the spaces our imbalanced and static midfield at the time rarely went.

With Allan beside him he can do his thing by harrying and winning the ball back and give it to Allan to create something with. He’s no John McGinn, but probably the closest we can get to a replacement with infectious energy & tenacity. He was also competent on the ball as well IMO.

Unseen work
11-01-2020, 03:09 PM
Omeonga for me would do something brilliant like win the ball back, beat a man with good close control and then misplace a very simple pass.

Attitude, workrate, enthusiasm, understanding of the club - All in abundance

Passing, decision making, shooting etc - Poor imo

Combining him and Mallan would make some player.

I remember a specific one against Celtic at the end of the season where he done brilliantly to disposes Brown in a very dangerous position, he then took what seemed like an entirety doing nothing with it before Brown won it back again.

I think Allan, Omeonga and Hallberg would still be weak and get overrun. When he played for us it was on the left with Milligan and Mallan in the middle, if we were struggling Flo would then go on the left and Omeonga behind the striker.

Would I like him back? Yes. Would I break the bank for him? No. Would he solve our problems? Not imo.

WillowbraeHibby
11-01-2020, 03:18 PM
I think if hibs want him we should actively pursue that deal to get him back,at any cost unless its silly money.
But I can't see them commanding a big loan fee now with a clause to make it permanent.
He is exactly what we need.
Easily takes mallans place in the side,and he would have some job trying to get it back imo.
No brainer hibs!!

Agree.

J-C
11-01-2020, 03:23 PM
He really wasnt as good as some people remember.

I'm with you a bit here, he had energy and tried to get stuck in but zero end product, not a DM nor an AM either, just a decent wee midfielder, we need more than just decent now.

Blurhibee
11-01-2020, 03:32 PM
I am not being funny but did some of you guys go to the game who said he wasn’t that good a player

hibsbollah
11-01-2020, 03:33 PM
I am not being funny but did some of you guys go to the game who said he wasn’t that good a player

Who?

Andy74
11-01-2020, 03:40 PM
I'm with you a bit here, he had energy and tried to get stuck in but zero end product, not a DM nor an AM either, just a decent wee midfielder, we need more than just decent now.

Zero? His through ball at McDiarmid for one was exceptional.

Billy Whizz
11-01-2020, 03:44 PM
Zero? His through ball at McDiarmid for one was exceptional.

I’d take him back, only thing he needs to add to his game is goals

NC1875
11-01-2020, 03:50 PM
Nisbet scores again for Dunfermline. 13 in 12 games. Surely worth a look

Stuart93
11-01-2020, 03:51 PM
Nisbet scores again for Dunfermline. 13 in 12 games. Surely worth a look

Definitely, the type of players we should be looking at

J-C
11-01-2020, 03:54 PM
Zero? His through ball at McDiarmid for one was exceptional.

Well done Stephane for that superb pass 👏

Tidy wee players who had energy, connected with the fans and got stuck in, his end product in general was poor though. Yes I'd have him back as he has potential but we need to look further than just potential, we need someone ready to go now, we need to up our game if we want top 4.

jeffers
11-01-2020, 04:00 PM
Interesting that posters don't want Omeonga back stating he had no end product but there was outrage when we didn't sign McGeouch.........who had no end product. I thought Omeonga was pretty good with us, very hard worker, didn't let the opposition midfield settle, the type of energy sadly missing from our side.

bingo70
11-01-2020, 04:05 PM
Interesting that posters don't want Omeonga back stating he had no end product but there was outrage when we didn't sign McGeouch.........who had no end product. I thought Omeonga was pretty good with us, very hard worker, didn't let the opposition midfield settle, the type of energy sadly missing from our side.

I agree about Omeonga but McGeouch had no end product?

jeffers
11-01-2020, 04:10 PM
I agree about Omeonga but McGeouch had no end product?

I'm asuming the end product they are referrring to re Omeonga (happy to be corrected though) is an assist for a goal.

hibbycraig
11-01-2020, 04:13 PM
I agree about Omeonga but McGeouch had no end product?

121 games at Hibs. 4 goals and 9 assists.

Alfred E Newman
11-01-2020, 04:14 PM
Anyone think we will have new signings before the cup tie?

No. We will wait till 9-30pm on the final day to see what we can get on the cheap. :stirrer:

The Count
11-01-2020, 04:16 PM
We will make a signing or two might take a while but it will happen.We are mid table might make 4th but think of the poor Jambos.They are stone last and have not made one single signing.So don't panic Hibbies but any Jambos watching your are in the deep stuff.

bingo70
11-01-2020, 04:19 PM
121 games at Hibs. 4 goals and 9 assists.

He was played as a defensive, or as a deep lying midfielder depending on what you want to call it.

Of course he never had many goals or assists, mcgeouchs end product should be judged on how well we kept possession as that was his job and it was something he was terrific at.

green day
11-01-2020, 04:20 PM
121 games at Hibs. 4 goals and 9 assists.

Just listening to Jon Daly talking DM up about how he has done it all at the top level in Scotland.........when the truth is that 75% of the matches you mention above were in the Championship (some cups of course).

DM is a cracking player in a certain style of team - but if we decided not to pursue him because we are after a hard defensive midfielder, then thats fine by me.

Ozyhibby
11-01-2020, 04:21 PM
Nisbet scores again for Dunfermline. 13 in 12 games. Surely worth a look

Shankland hat trick today. We def need to stop ignoring people scoring goals in the championship. A big fat fee heading Dundee utd’s way in the summer.


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Since90+2
11-01-2020, 04:22 PM
Interesting that posters don't want Omeonga back stating he had no end product but there was outrage when we didn't sign McGeouch.........who had no end product. I thought Omeonga was pretty good with us, very hard worker, didn't let the opposition midfield settle, the type of energy sadly missing from our side.

You really don't rate McGeouch eh?

Everyone's entitled to an opinion but I've genuinely baffled that anyone who watched Dylan during his time with us doesnt think he was absolutely outstanding for the majority of the time.

The Modfather
11-01-2020, 04:36 PM
He was played as a defensive, or as a deep lying midfielder depending on what you want to call it.

Of course he never had many goals or assists, mcgeouchs end product should be judged on how well we kept possession as that was his job and it was something he was terrific at.

I agree with what you say, and I know you’re not arguing this, but if McGeough isn’t to be judged on goals and assists then it’s unfair to judge Omeonga on that basis either. He wasn’t brought in as an attacking midfielder so his contribution should be judged on winning the ball back and forcing the opposition into mistakes. Same as McGeough should be judged on retaining possession and dictating our tempo.

I think McGeough is a good signing for Aberdeen, but interesting to see if he is as effective without Super John. He was almost unique in that he was an out ball whether he was free or had 2 or 3 around him as invariably he would keep possession..

flash
11-01-2020, 04:37 PM
Interesting that posters don't want Omeonga back stating he had no end product but there was outrage when we didn't sign McGeouch.........who had no end product. I thought Omeonga was pretty good with us, very hard worker, didn't let the opposition midfield settle, the type of energy sadly missing from our side.

Dylan is a level above Omeonga at least.

jeffers
11-01-2020, 04:38 PM
You really don't rate McGeouch eh?

Everyone's entitled to an opinion but I've genuinely baffled that anyone who watched Dylan during his time with us doesnt think he was absolutely outstanding for the majority of the time.

Said it before I thought he was a decent player and absolutely is talented but certainly didn’t think he was outstanding for the majority of the time. In saying that suppose it depends what constitutes outstanding, clearly we have different opinions on that.

I did actually find him a bit frustrating at times as he had the ability to do more in the final third, but he preferred a sideways or backwards pass than taking a chance to shoot or play the killer ball. Felt to me he was playing within himself, as if he was constantly worried about pulling up injured.

I did rate him, just not as highly as others, but if we’d had a budget that allowed us to sign quite a few players this window I would have brought him back.

Gordy M
11-01-2020, 04:40 PM
Shankland hat trick today. We def need to stop ignoring people scoring goals in the championship. A big fat fee heading Dundee utd’s way in the summer.


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Can i ask you, how much a week do you think Shankland is on? Is it just possible that Hibs along with the other 9 teams in the SPL asked the question and were told how much he was looking for(for an unproven striker), and that we didnt just 'ignore' him?

jeffers
11-01-2020, 04:40 PM
I agree with what you say, and I know you’re not arguing this, but if McGeough isn’t to be judged on goals and assists then it’s unfair to judge Omeonga on that basis either. He wasn’t brought in as an attacking midfielder so his contribution should be judged on winning the ball back and forcing the opposition into mistakes. Same as McGeough should be judged on retaining position and dictating our tempo.

I think McGeough is a good signing for Aberdeen, but interesting to see if he is as effective without Super John. He was almost unique in that he was an out ball whether he was free or had 2 or 3 around him as invariably he would keep possession..

Your first paragraph is exactly the point I was making.

Blurhibee
11-01-2020, 04:42 PM
Who?
Omeonga

Billy Whizz
11-01-2020, 04:44 PM
Can i ask you, how much a week do you think Shankland is on? Is it just possible that Hibs along with the other 9 teams in the SPL asked the question and were told how much he was looking for(for an unproven striker), and that we didnt just 'ignore' him?

Dundee United’s wages bill is around 120% of turnover

green day
11-01-2020, 04:46 PM
Can i ask you, how much a week do you think Shankland is on? Is it just possible that Hibs along with the other 9 teams in the SPL asked the question and were told how much he was looking for(for an unproven striker), and that we didnt just 'ignore' him?

Is the correct answer.

Gmack7
11-01-2020, 04:48 PM
anyone know Nisbets contract situation as i agree he's worth a punt

Gordy M
11-01-2020, 04:48 PM
Dundee United’s wages bill is around 120% of turnover

Is it really, well kinda proves the point he is on an absolute fortune compared to what we pay.

jeffers
11-01-2020, 04:49 PM
Is the correct answer.

Although the other question might be how much posters think we are paying Doidge pw.

Billy Whizz
11-01-2020, 04:51 PM
Is it really, well kinda proves the point he is on an absolute fortune compared to what we pay.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/1008505/dundee-united-lose-3-7m-in-a-year-as-wage-to-turnover-ratio-reaches-133/

It’s actually 133%

Gordy M
11-01-2020, 04:51 PM
Although the other question might be how much posters think we are paying Doidge pw.

Next question, hoe many goals has Shankland scored in the SPL?

Ozyhibby
11-01-2020, 04:52 PM
Although the other question might be how much posters think we are paying Doidge pw.

Plus the £350k fee. Over the three years that’s £2.5k per week. Add that to his wages and I think Utd are getting a better deal especially since they will get every penny back when they sell him.


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NC1875
11-01-2020, 04:53 PM
Can i ask you, how much a week do you think Shankland is on? Is it just possible that Hibs along with the other 9 teams in the SPL asked the question and were told how much he was looking for(for an unproven striker), and that we didnt just 'ignore' him?

Apparently 5k a week. And I’ll be surprised if Doidge is on much less than that. And I know who I’d rather have playing every week

jeffers
11-01-2020, 04:56 PM
Next question, hoe many goals has Shankland scored in the SPL?

How many games has Shankland played in the SPL ?

supermcginn
11-01-2020, 04:57 PM
Shankland hat trick today. We def need to stop ignoring people scoring goals in the championship. A big fat fee heading Dundee utd’s way in the summer.


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Rangers were minutes from signing him this time last year. Absolute cert he will go there in summer.

Brightside
11-01-2020, 04:58 PM
Lets play a game were we pick out players we havent signed than have gone on to have great seasons. Doyle some player too - can't beleive we let him go. :greengrin

BoyledEgg
11-01-2020, 04:58 PM
Apparently 5k a week. And I’ll be surprised if Doidge is on much less than that. And I know who I’d rather have playing every week

He’s on just under 3k a week.

Kato
11-01-2020, 04:59 PM
I think we became too reliant on him to create things as an attacking midfielder when that was never his game.

Omeonga being a menace in the middle of the park nicking balls here and there and then giving it to Scott Allan sounds good to me.Yup. His decision making was rough but that can be worked on.

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Gordy M
11-01-2020, 04:59 PM
How many games has Shankland played in the SPL ?

17 games........give you a clue on how many goals.....less than one.

NC1875
11-01-2020, 04:59 PM
How many games has Shankland played in the SPL ?

Says the same people who would cream their pants if Cummings came back. Another player who scored most of his goals in the championship

Ozyhibby
11-01-2020, 04:59 PM
Lets play a game were we pick out players we havent signed than have gone on to have great seasons. Doyle some player too - can't beleive we let him go. :greengrin

Which is fair enough but the quality of our recruitment recently is a topical subject on here and Shankland is a prime example of a recent failure.


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Billy Whizz
11-01-2020, 05:03 PM
Which is fair enough but the quality of our recruitment recently is a topical subject on here and Shankland is a prime example of a recent failure.


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There must be a reason who no Scottish top flight clubs, or English championship clubs, didn’t come in for him

Kato
11-01-2020, 05:03 PM
Dylan is a level above Omeonga at least.Not if he's out injured for long periods of the season.

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jeffers
11-01-2020, 05:03 PM
17 games........give you a clue on how many goals.....less than one.

When was that ?

Brightside
11-01-2020, 05:04 PM
Which is fair enough but the quality of our recruitment recently is a topical subject on here and Shankland is a prime example of a recent failure.


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He's not a prime example if we were never in for him. Does that mean every team in Scotland made the same failure. Sometimes players have great seasons. Shankland has done nothing at SPL level. So we might have signed him and suddenly he knocks in 5 goals in the year and there is a thread slagging off the recruitment dept. He's playing against poor defences every week. As others pointed out Cummings scored for fun in that league - that hasn't continued in top leagues. No one has any idea how well Shankland will perform at our level. Now if he goes down to the english championship and bangs in 25 goals then he we can start saying we've missed out on a real talent. But for now we are only guessing.

weecounty hibby
11-01-2020, 05:05 PM
How many games has Shankland played in the SPL ?
A few and he was pish

tonyrougier123
11-01-2020, 05:05 PM
Which is fair enough but the quality of our recruitment recently is a topical subject on here and Shankland is a prime example of a recent failure.


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Every top flight team missed shankland.
The real question is why?
No one should ever underestimate a young hungry lower league striker banging them in.

Gordy M
11-01-2020, 05:05 PM
When was that ?

When he played for Aberdeen

Ozyhibby
11-01-2020, 05:06 PM
There must be a reason who no Scottish top flight clubs, or English championship clubs, didn’t come in for him

I can see why English clubs would be wary of a Scottish championship player but I can’t think why any Scottish premier team wouldn’t take a chance. Maybe not Celtic or Rangers because they have better strikers and maybe not Aberdeen because he came from there but everybody else has missed out on the chance to have a good goal scorer and make some money.


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Ozyhibby
11-01-2020, 05:07 PM
When he played for Aberdeen

As a teenager.


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B.H.F.C
11-01-2020, 05:10 PM
Which is fair enough but the quality of our recruitment recently is a topical subject on here and Shankland is a prime example of a recent failure.


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It’s all a bit hypothetical with Shankland. If he was banging in goals in our league I’d be inclined to say we’ve definitely missed out. But he hasn’t and, if is reputed wages are accurate or even close, I can see why nobody was keen to take a punt.

FWIW, I would have liked us to sign him, I just think it’s a difficult comparison when it’s not like for like.

Gordy M
11-01-2020, 05:11 PM
As a teenager.


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Ah right, so if you a teenager it doesnt count......il remember that the next time we are discussing one of our youngsters the next time they havent scored for a while.

Ozyhibby
11-01-2020, 05:13 PM
It’s all a bit hypothetical with Shankland. If he was banging in goals in our league I’d be inclined to say we’ve definitely missed out. But he hasn’t and, if is reputed wages are accurate or even close, I can see why nobody was keen to take a punt.

FWIW, I would have liked us to sign him, I just think it’s a difficult comparison when it’s not like for like.

By the time they are scoring in our league we can’t afford them.


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jeffers
11-01-2020, 05:13 PM
When he played for Aberdeen

Sometimes players need to drop a level and sort themselves out before they realise their true potential, Stephen Dobbie and Andy Robertson are two who come to mind.

Tully
11-01-2020, 05:16 PM
Sometimes players need to drop a level and sort themselves out before they realise their true potential, Stephen Dobbie and Andy Robertson are two who come to mind.

And loads drop down and disappear, sometimes you get lucky sometimes you dont

Gordy M
11-01-2020, 05:19 PM
Sometimes players need to drop a level and sort themselves out before they realise their true potential, Stephen Dobbie and Andy Robertson are two who come to mind.

Im not saying Shankland isnt s good player or wouldnt score goals now....but im not sure that at the end of last season i would have made him Hibs top paid player? Would you? To call that a mistake by hibs is harsh.

jeffers
11-01-2020, 05:19 PM
He's not a prime example if we were never in for him. Does that mean every team in Scotland made the same failure. Sometimes players have great seasons. Shankland has done nothing at SPL level. So we might have signed him and suddenly he knocks in 5 goals in the year and there is a thread slagging off the recruitment dept. He's playing against poor defences every week. As others pointed out Cummings scored for fun in that league - that hasn't continued in top leagues. No one has any idea how well Shankland will perform at our level. Now if he goes down to the english championship and bangs in 25 goals then he we can start saying we've missed out on a real talent. But for now we are only guessing.

The question is why weren’t we in for hm ? Would signing him have been any more of a gamble than signing Doidge ? Is the fourth tier of English football any better than the second tier of the Scottish ?

B.H.F.C
11-01-2020, 05:21 PM
By the time they are scoring in our league we can’t afford them.


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If it comes to the point they’re scoring in our league. If the figures being banded about for his wages are true, we’d not afford him now.

I still think Doidge will finish the season with 15-20 goals despite his slow start.

Gmack7
11-01-2020, 05:24 PM
Next question, hoe many goals has Shankland scored in the SPL?

0 the same amount that Doidge had scored in the championship😁

Crab apple
11-01-2020, 05:25 PM
The question is why weren’t we in for hm ? Would signing him have been any more of a gamble than signing Doidge ? Is the fourth tier of English football any better than the second tier of the Scottish ?

I don’t think PH fancied him as he scores goals, is big, strong and athletic and seems to have a bit of charisma about him.

jeffers
11-01-2020, 05:25 PM
Im not saying Shankland isnt s good player or wouldnt score goals now....but im not sure that at the end of last season i would have made him Hibs top paid player? Would you? To call that a mistake by hibs is harsh.

I’d just use Doidge as an example as ask would signing Shankland have been any more of a gamble ? Also I’m not convinced he’d have been our top paid player though he’d have been up there.

The fact no one in the top flight signed Shankland does make you wonder why though.

It will be interesting to watch both players next Sunday.

Brightside
11-01-2020, 05:27 PM
The question is why weren’t we in for hm ? Would signing him have been any more of a gamble than signing Doidge ? Is the fourth tier of English football any better than the second tier of the Scottish ?

yes.

jeffers
11-01-2020, 05:29 PM
yes.

Cant say I’ve seen any of it so will take your word on this.

Gordy M
11-01-2020, 05:29 PM
I’d just use Doidge as an example as ask would signing Shankland have been any more of a gamble ? Also I’m not convinced he’d have been our top paid player though he’d have been up there.

The fact no one in the top flight signed Shankland does make you wonder why though.

It will be interesting to watch both players next Sunday.

It will be interesting and hopefully Doidge comes out on top. Maybe Doidge was a gamble but this was a guy who had agreed a million pound moved before Bolton had financial issues. Prob slightly less than a guy who no SPL clubs were apparently interested in?

jeffers
11-01-2020, 05:35 PM
It will be interesting and hopefully Doidge comes out on top. Maybe Doidge was a gamble but this was a guy who had agreed a million pound moved before Bolton had financial issues. Prob slightly less than a guy who no SPL clubs were apparently interested in?

Thats true but as we know the money paid for bang average players in English football is a joke at times.

Shankland to me seemed more the type of signing we made when in the Championship, Young, hungry Scottish players. I should also add my comments re Shankland are completely based on his stats I’ve never actually seen him play ��

Ozyhibby
11-01-2020, 05:41 PM
It will be interesting and hopefully Doidge comes out on top. Maybe Doidge was a gamble but this was a guy who had agreed a million pound moved before Bolton had financial issues. Prob slightly less than a guy who no SPL clubs were apparently interested in?

I think Doidge will come out on top because although Utd are flying high I still think we are a better side and will hopefully have enough about us to get the win or at least a draw to take back to Easter road.


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J-C
11-01-2020, 05:43 PM
I’d just use Doidge as an example as ask would signing Shankland have been any more of a gamble ? Also I’m not convinced he’d have been our top paid player though he’d have been up there.

The fact no one in the top flight signed Shankland does make you wonder why though.

It will be interesting to watch both players next Sunday.


Was there not some talk of problems off field which held him back, he's fitter and more professional now.

jeffers
11-01-2020, 05:46 PM
Was there not some talk of problems off field which held him back, he's fitter and more professional now.

I’ve only read rumours on here J-C about that but never anything specific.

Smartie
11-01-2020, 05:51 PM
Thats true but as we know the money paid for bang average players in English football is a joke at times.

Shankland to me seemed more the type of signing we made when in the Championship, Young, hungry Scottish players. I should also add my comments re Shankland are completely based on his stats I’ve never actually seen him play ��

I've seen him a couple of times - he hasn't caught the eye as being anything special any time I've seen him although he's scored an important goal in every game I've seen him play which, for a striker, is not to be sniffed at.

Stuart93
11-01-2020, 05:52 PM
Celtic’s head of recruitment was watching Shankland today

Ozyhibby
11-01-2020, 05:54 PM
Article about Nisbett here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/51068080?__twitter_impression=true

A fee would be required but if we leave it any longer then he will become unaffordable if he keeps scoring. 53 goals in the last 18 months is not to be sniffed at.


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Tully
11-01-2020, 06:06 PM
Celtic’s head of recruitment was watching Shankland today

Aye because Celtic play Partick in the Scottish cup

Stuart93
11-01-2020, 06:08 PM
Aye because Celtic play Partick in the Scottish cup

Would they send their head of RECRUITMENT to scout a team because they’re playing them next? Doubt it.

Billy Whizz
11-01-2020, 06:09 PM
Would they send their head of RECRUITMENT to scout a team because they’re playing them next? Doubt it.

Who is their head of recruitment

NC1875
11-01-2020, 06:21 PM
If it comes to the point they’re scoring in our league. If the figures being banded about for his wages are true, we’d not afford him now.

I still think Doidge will finish the season with 15-20 goals despite his slow start.

If he manages to bundle 15 over the line I’ll be astonished. Just doesn’t look like a good finisher to me at all. That’s not the only thing his games about though. I think a Shankland type would do well playing off him

Gmack7
11-01-2020, 06:23 PM
Would they send their head of RECRUITMENT to scout a team because they’re playing them next? Doubt it.

my source tells me it was Kenny Miller he was watching. shankland is Tom kite

B.H.F.C
11-01-2020, 06:31 PM
If he manages to bundle 15 over the line I’ll be astonished. Just doesn’t look like a good finisher to me at all. That’s not the only thing his games about though. I think a Shankland type would do well playing off him

He’s got 9 for the season and I’d be expecting at least half a dozen goals from him between now and the end of the season.

Agree with the rest though. Someone like that up there with Doidge rather than instead of him would be good. McNulty was also rumoured and I think he’s another that would do well playing of Doidge.

davhibby
11-01-2020, 06:54 PM
I can’t believe some here just seem to want to ignore the fact he’s reportedly on 5k a week which very few if anyone will be getting paid at Hibs. Why on earth would be making a player who would be a bit of a punt at this level one of our top earners.

Ozyhibby
11-01-2020, 06:56 PM
I can’t believe some here just seem to want to ignore the fact he’s reportedly on 5k a week which very few if anyone will be getting paid at Hibs. Why on earth would be making a player who would be a bit of a punt at this level one of our top earners.

Because it’s an unsubstantiated rumour?


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Hibs4185
11-01-2020, 07:02 PM
Anyone who thinks shankland wasn’t worth a punt then they can’t remember John McGinn.

How many were underwhelmed with McGinn’s signing?

We need to take a punt on a few players from the lower levels Who are unpolished gems or we will never find the next diamond.

These players won’t cost much at the time and have the biggest chance of making us a fee.

Players like Doidge, might eventually do well for us, but they cost a fee, big wages and as they’ve been in England, they’ll be judged by English clubs based on that. So less likely for a big fee.

at last 61
11-01-2020, 07:07 PM
I'm sure shanks is on 5k a week but his sell on fee must be going up weekly

B.H.F.C
11-01-2020, 07:09 PM
Anyone who thinks shankland wasn’t worth a punt then they can’t remember John McGinn.

How many were underwhelmed with McGinn’s signing?

We need to take a punt on a few players from the lower levels Who are unpolished gems or we will never find the next diamond.

These players won’t cost much at the time and have the biggest chance of making us a fee.

Players like Doidge, might eventually do well for us, but they cost a fee, big wages and as they’ve been in England, they’ll be judged by English clubs based on that. So less likely for a big fee.

Not saying we shouldn’t have looked at Shankland, but not comparable to McGinn. He had a hundred games in the top league and had won the league cup when we got him.

MWHIBBIES
11-01-2020, 07:18 PM
Would they send their head of RECRUITMENT to scout a team because they’re playing them next? Doubt it.

Because he is probably the best person they have at judging players strengths and weaknessnes?

McD
11-01-2020, 07:34 PM
Anyone who thinks shankland wasn’t worth a punt then they can’t remember John McGinn.

How many were underwhelmed with McGinn’s signing?

We need to take a punt on a few players from the lower levels Who are unpolished gems or we will never find the next diamond.

These players won’t cost much at the time and have the biggest chance of making us a fee.

Players like Doidge, might eventually do well for us, but they cost a fee, big wages and as they’ve been in England, they’ll be judged by English clubs based on that. So less likely for a big fee.


not many at all, I seem to remember most Hibs fans being pretty chuffed we’d managed to get McGinn. As has been said, a large amount of premier league games, cup winner, and iirc wasn’t he also the Scotland u21 captain at the time as well

CMurdoch
11-01-2020, 07:57 PM
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/1008505/dundee-united-lose-3-7m-in-a-year-as-wage-to-turnover-ratio-reaches-133/

It’s actually 133%

133% before adding Shankland!

I spoke to Jim Spence and £5k a week appears to be the wage for the big guy.
Basically screwed if they don't get promoted. American owner has fazers set to malcy.

Billy Whizz
11-01-2020, 08:17 PM
133% before adding Shankland!

I spoke to Jim Spence and £5k a week appears to be the wage for the big guy.
Basically screwed if they don't get promoted. American owner has fazers set to malcy.

I think they’ll get promoted comfortably

we are hibs
11-01-2020, 08:40 PM
Theyre 17 points clear. Theyre going up and going up comfortably.

Stuart93
11-01-2020, 08:41 PM
I think they’ll get promoted comfortably

Yep, speculate to accumulate, probably make their money back next season.

We should give it a go.

7062
11-01-2020, 08:41 PM
I think they’ll get promoted comfortably

Looks like they will, but that’s still a massive difference from what is deemed to be manageable. Will TV money and the old firm/aberdeen/Hibs away fans fill the gap?

(Not a question to you personally, just in general.)

Centre Hawf
11-01-2020, 08:46 PM
Yep, speculate to accumulate, probably make their money back next season.

We should give it a go.

Madness. Will never catch on.

CMurdoch
11-01-2020, 08:47 PM
I think they’ll get promoted comfortably

Home and hosed now.
Nicky Clark sustained a bad injury for them today whilst Shankland was scoring his 3.

It will be interesting to see if they hold onto Shankland in the summer or decide to cash in to reduce their losses.
There is a danger if they hold on to him and he proves no big deal in the top league next season whereas he is hot property at the moment and probably will still be come the end of the season if he avoids injury.

Gordy M
11-01-2020, 08:50 PM
Madness. Will never catch on.

It did catch on......Motherwell, The old Rangers and Hearts all tried it...

SquashedFrogg
11-01-2020, 09:06 PM
Anyone who thinks shankland wasn’t worth a punt then they can’t remember John McGinn.

How many were underwhelmed with McGinn’s signing?

We need to take a punt on a few players from the lower levels Who are unpolished gems or we will never find the next diamond.

These players won’t cost much at the time and have the biggest chance of making us a fee.

Players like Doidge, might eventually do well for us, but they cost a fee, big wages and as they’ve been in England, they’ll be judged by English clubs based on that. So less likely for a big fee.

Were people underwhelmed at McGinn signing? Really?

brog
11-01-2020, 09:07 PM
I can’t believe some here just seem to want to ignore the fact he’s reportedly on 5k a week which very few if anyone will be getting paid at Hibs. Why on earth would be making a player who would be a bit of a punt at this level one of our top earners.

Dundee Utd probably do same as Hibs & most other clubs & include a signing on fee as part of the annual salary. If Shankland was paid £100k as a signing on fee that's the equivalent of £2k a week. An actual wage of £3k would take it to the much talked about £5k per week. If we ever publish our 18/19 accounts many on here will be surprised just how much some of our players are receiving. Signing on fees last summer were considerable.

B.H.F.C
11-01-2020, 09:17 PM
Signing on fees last summer were considerable.

Said at the time, the boys all coming up from England wouldn’t be coming up here if it wasn’t good financially.

If you think of Vela for example. We were going to pay a fee for Ojo the week before. That fell through and Vela signed the next week. I wonder where the money from the fee might have went instead?

HFC93
11-01-2020, 09:30 PM
Yep, speculate to accumulate, probably make their money back next season.

We should give it a go.

Aye, we should follow Dundee Utd and have a wage to turnover ratio of 133 per cent, making huge losses. Because Scottish football history shows that always ends well.

04Sauzee
11-01-2020, 09:32 PM
Nisbet's goal for Dunfermline today

https://twitter.com/1885Ben/status/1216044528936849408?s=09

Mainstandman
11-01-2020, 09:35 PM
I’ve only read rumours on here J-C about that but never anything specific.
Just go to Dundee for a week and you will understand why.

ancient hibee
11-01-2020, 09:47 PM
Dundee Utd probably do same as Hibs & most other clubs & include a signing on fee as part of the annual salary. If Shankland was paid £100k as a signing on fee that's the equivalent of £2k a week. An actual wage of £3k would take it to the much talked about £5k per week. If we ever publish our 18/19 accounts many on here will be surprised just how much some of our players are receiving. Signing on fees last summer were considerable.

Probably have to wait for the current year’s accounts to see that.

FilipinoHibs
11-01-2020, 10:09 PM
Dundee Utd probably do same as Hibs & most other clubs & include a signing on fee as part of the annual salary. If Shankland was paid £100k as a signing on fee that's the equivalent of £2k a week. An actual wage of £3k would take it to the much talked about £5k per week. If we ever publish our 18/19 accounts many on here will be surprised just how much some of our players are receiving. Signing on fees last summer were considerable.

£100k is £2k a week for one year only.

NC1875
11-01-2020, 10:45 PM
Looks like they will, but that’s still a massive difference from what is deemed to be manageable. Will TV money and the old firm/aberdeen/Hibs away fans fill the gap?

(Not a question to you personally, just in general.)

Selling Shankland will fill the gap

ACLeith
12-01-2020, 06:44 AM
Was there not some talk of problems off field which held him back, he's fitter and more professional now.

I met an Ayr fan in the summer and that was his response when I asked him why no top league team appeared interested.

I also know an Arab very well and at the start of the season he feared for his club if they didn’t get promoted this season - and not through the lottery of the play offs.

Paying the reported wages might have been considered the last throw of the dice for them, desperate times need desperate measures?

brog
12-01-2020, 08:06 AM
£100k is £2k a week for one year only.
You know what, I knew that! With regard to Shankland it's pretty much all speculation on this board with regard to his current wage. My post was intended to explain how that could be constructed for this season.

SquashedFrogg
12-01-2020, 08:19 AM
This place is obsessed with Shankland.

NorthNorfolkHFC
12-01-2020, 08:21 AM
I spoke with my Arab supporting mate and said that although Shanks was good today the standout was their new American signing: Powers.

Signed during the week he anchored centre mid and apparently strolled it and was described as ‘awesome’. According to him they’ve unearthed a gem. My friend doesn’t give praise lightly.

Unfortunately for us he arrived a week before the cup tie.


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eastcoasthibby
12-01-2020, 08:32 AM
Nesbitt works hard as well makes runs ..he would be the type we have spoken about in working as a 2 ...as a getting into the right positions in and around the box ...get him in as a purchase and offer Shaw as a loan swap replacement to them

Oscar T Grouch
12-01-2020, 08:36 AM
It did catch on......Motherwell, The old Rangers and Hearts all tried it...

And Gretna, rich owner bankrolling a player budget unsustainable through normal revenues. That worked out well for them too.
Given their high wages to turnover ratio promotion will not bring that under control, in fact I’d guess it wouldn’t even bring it to under 100% of turnover.

ehf
12-01-2020, 08:38 AM
I spoke with my Arab supporting mate and said that although Shanks was good today the standout was their new American signing: Powers.

Signed during the week he anchored centre mid and apparently strolled it and was described as ‘awesome’. According to him they’ve unearthed a gem. My friend doesn’t give praise lightly.

Unfortunately for us he arrived a week before the cup tie.


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Dillon Powers, exactly the type of player we desperately need; you have to give credit to DU's recruitment team.

bingo70
12-01-2020, 08:40 AM
This place is obsessed with Shankland.

It really is.

Ultimately there’s no other rumours and I know when that happens you end up with loads of nonsense but Jesus, this feels like days folk have been going on and on about Lawrence Shankland. It’s not up to me to decide what people talk about however I don’t know how anybody can be arsed discussing a player we’ve no chance of signing for so long.

Hibbyradge
12-01-2020, 08:42 AM
It really is.

Ultimately there’s no other rumours and I know when that happens you end up with loads of nonsense but Jesus, this feels like days folk have been going on and on about Lawrence Shankland. It’s not up to me to decide what people talk about however I don’t know how anybody can be arsed discussing a player we’ve no chance of signing for so long.

For the same reason that people complain about what other people discuss. :wink:

Ronniekirk
12-01-2020, 08:45 AM
Dillon Powers, exactly the type of player we desperately need; you have to give credit to DU's recruitment team.

A mate who supports united and goes weekly ,said they were average and parked the bus often ,and lacked attacking flair
He wasn’t confident they could beat us
After yesterday’s performance and Power signing ,all of a sudden he is confident they can beat us




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Since452
12-01-2020, 08:49 AM
I spoke with my Arab supporting mate and said that although Shanks was good today the standout was their new American signing: Powers.

Signed during the week he anchored centre mid and apparently strolled it and was described as ‘awesome’. According to him they’ve unearthed a gem. My friend doesn’t give praise lightly.

Unfortunately for us he arrived a week before the cup tie.


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He might be decent but worth remembering they were playing Partick Thistle who are 2nd bottom of an awful Championship

MWHIBBIES
12-01-2020, 08:57 AM
I spoke with my Arab supporting mate and said that although Shanks was good today the standout was their new American signing: Powers.

Signed during the week he anchored centre mid and apparently strolled it and was described as ‘awesome’. According to him they’ve unearthed a gem. My friend doesn’t give praise lightly.

Unfortunately for us he arrived a week before the cup tie.


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I remember similar patter on here about hundreds of players. One game is a horrendous sample size.

Eyrie
12-01-2020, 09:54 AM
It really is.

Ultimately there’s no other rumours and I know when that happens you end up with loads of nonsense but Jesus, this feels like days folk have been going on and on about Lawrence Shankland. It’s not up to me to decide what people talk about however I don’t know how anybody can be arsed discussing a player we’ve no chance of signing for so long.

Plenty of players get hyped on here as someone we should sign.

Shankland is the rare example of one who then plays well, which brings out the ITYS. Stevie May was one that many wanted before he signed for Aberdeen, and non-one now raises as someone we missed out on.

Speedway
12-01-2020, 10:09 AM
This place is obsessed with Shankland.

No, it’s obsessed with Hearts.

flash
12-01-2020, 10:16 AM
No, it’s obsessed with Hearts.

And rightly so.

bingo70
12-01-2020, 10:33 AM
Plenty of players get hyped on here as someone we should sign.

Shankland is the rare example of one who then plays well, which brings out the ITYS. Stevie May was one that many wanted before he signed for Aberdeen, and non-one now raises as someone we missed out on.

I get that and totally get why his name came up, I’m just surprised people can be bothered discussing him so much and for so long. Each to their own though.

Unseen work
12-01-2020, 10:37 AM
No, it’s obsessed with Hearts.

Been thinking this myself of late, of late there has been about 5 separate Hearts threads on the go at the one time on the main page

Souter96Mac
12-01-2020, 10:38 AM
Got a message from a Celtic supporting pal that they're after Boyle.

MikeyS
12-01-2020, 10:42 AM
Got a message from a Celtic supporting pal that they're after Boyle.

Wouldn't surprise me as Lennon loved him but he wont get near that starting 11 as it stands. Most likely be Lewis Morgan's squad replacement. Would be a very good move financially for him though if there is any truth in it.

Borderhibbie76
12-01-2020, 10:46 AM
It really is.

Ultimately there’s no other rumours and I know when that happens you end up with loads of nonsense but Jesus, this feels like days folk have been going on and on about Lawrence Shankland. It’s not up to me to decide what people talk about however I don’t know how anybody can be arsed discussing a player we’ve no chance of signing for so long.

3 pages of Shankland...what a snore fest

B.H.F.C
12-01-2020, 10:47 AM
Got a message from a Celtic supporting pal that they're after Boyle.

Would be surprised if he went there, but Boyle only has 18 months left on his deal so this might be the last window we can make any money on him. I don’t think he’ll be in any rush to sign a new deal. He’s 27 this year so if he has hopes of getting a move and making a few quid at some point, it’ll need to be relatively soon.

TheGreenMan
12-01-2020, 11:05 AM
Got a message from a Celtic supporting pal that they're after Boyle.

Cash and Griffiths loan for Boyle is the rumour..

Billy Whizz
12-01-2020, 11:08 AM
Cash and Griffiths loan for Boyle is the rumour..

I’d hate to lose Boyler

Heisenberg
12-01-2020, 11:12 AM
I’d hate to lose Boyler

Same. Only real pace we have in attack. Would need to be a brilliant offer to see him leave.

Eaststand
12-01-2020, 11:13 AM
Cash and Griffiths loan for Boyle is the rumour..

The deal might well be off as they've found out squirell uses soap toothpaste and aftershave

GGTTH

Stuart93
12-01-2020, 11:14 AM
Cash and Griffiths loan for Boyle is the rumour..

I’d turn that down. Big risk taking Griffiths because there’s no guarantee he’d hit the ground running and Boyle I’d argue is our most exciting/best player

Iggy Pope
12-01-2020, 11:16 AM
^^^^ Is that the first post with a negative slant on the possible return of Leigh Griffiths....?

007
12-01-2020, 11:17 AM
Cash and Griffiths loan for Boyle is the rumour..

When Lennon was here he did quite often say good things about Boyle so it wouldn't be a surprise if he was after him. Would hate to see Boyle go but if it is a decent amount of cash then we should take it.

jeffers
12-01-2020, 11:18 AM
I’d hope we are already in talks with Boyle to extend his contract and are looking to make him one of our top earners. He may be inconsistent but he’s a much improved player from the one we originally signed.

Celtic can do one. Saying that cash + LG for would be hard to turn down.

Betty Boop
12-01-2020, 11:20 AM
Nesbitt works hard as well makes runs ..he would be the type we have spoken about in working as a 2 ...as a getting into the right positions in and around the box ...get him in as a purchase and offer Shaw as a loan swap replacement to them
Is he not Rangers bound ?

ancient hibee
12-01-2020, 11:21 AM
I’d hope we are already in talks with Boyle to extend his contract and are looking to make him one of our top earners. He may be inconsistent but he’s a much improved player from the one we originally signed.

Celtic can do one. Saying that cash + LG for would be hard to turn down.


It would be easy to turn down.Why would Hibs want to take a player with plenty of problems and then see him trot back to Celtic?

Stuart93
12-01-2020, 11:23 AM
^^^^ Is that the first post with a negative slant on the possible return of Leigh Griffiths....?

What about it?

If it’s at the expense of losing Boyle I’d be giving it a second thought for sure

Especially because it’s a loan that’s being spoken about, that’d be a terrible deal.

Jim44
12-01-2020, 11:24 AM
Cash and Griffiths loan for Boyle is the rumour..

...... only if it’s Griffiths and a substantial amount of money.

Michael
12-01-2020, 11:24 AM
Boyle to Celtic would be very bad for us. We won't get much of a transfer fee and we'd lose our only threat going forward. Griffiths on loan (or permanent tbh) isn't particularly appealing either at the moment.

jeffers
12-01-2020, 11:24 AM
It would be easy to turn down.Why would Hibs want to take a player with plenty of problems and then see him trot back to Celtic?

Sorry I misread original quote didn’t see the bit about LG being a loan 😂 Thought it was too good to be true. Yup I’d turn that down.

ancient hibee
12-01-2020, 11:26 AM
Sorry I misread original quote didn’t see the bit about LG being a loan 😂 Thought it was too good to be true. Yup I’d turn that down.


Good man:greengrin

MWHIBBIES
12-01-2020, 11:29 AM
Boyle to Celtic would be very bad for us. We won't get much of a transfer fee and we'd lose our only threat going forward. Griffiths on loan (or permanent tbh) isn't particularly appealing either at the moment.

Sorry, but how on earth is he our only threat going forward? That is total rubbish.

Nothing to worry about, he isn't going to Celtic. Nonsense rumours.

we are hibs
12-01-2020, 11:34 AM
With all respect, Lennon can go take a flying **** to himself.

bingo70
12-01-2020, 11:34 AM
Sorry, but how on earth is he our only threat going forward? That is total rubbish.

Nothing to worry about, he isn't going to Celtic. Nonsense rumours.

He’s the only one with real pace.

That’s different from being our only threat I know but without him we don’t really offer anything in an attacking sense.

Hibby Kay-Yay
12-01-2020, 11:37 AM
Boyle to Celtic would be very bad for us. We won't get much of a transfer fee and we'd lose our only threat going forward. Griffiths on loan (or permanent tbh) isn't particularly appealing either at the moment.

It’s a bad deal for us unless the money on offer is too good to refuse. Every player has a price.

makaveli1875
12-01-2020, 11:41 AM
Boyle isn't going to Celtic

bingo70
12-01-2020, 11:42 AM
It’s a bad deal for us unless the money on offer is too good to refuse. Every player has a price.

Every player has his price but not convinced we’d replace him well no matter what the fee was so I’d rather we just kept him.

Last time we had to sign someone to replace him we signed a left winger with no pace.

Hibby Kay-Yay
12-01-2020, 11:47 AM
Every player has his price but not convinced we’d replace him well no matter what the fee was so I’d rather we just kept him.

Last time we had to sign someone to replace him we signed a left winger with no pace.

Some players develop to a stage where we are unable to replace like for like, McGinn being the prime example.

Oscar T Grouch
12-01-2020, 11:47 AM
Hibernian are trying to find a new club for out-of-favour goalkeeper Chris Maxwell, who is on loan from Preston North End, so they can re-sign Adam Bogdan. (Scottish Sun On Sunday, print edition)

I thought we had ended his loan and had signed Bogdan. Is this why the announcement hasn’t been made? Has this appeared on this thread and I missed it?

bingo70
12-01-2020, 11:48 AM
Some players develop to a stage where we are unable to replace like for like, McGinn being the prime example.

I know. That’s why I’d rather we just kept the player.

If we don’t need the money and we can’t replace the player I’d rather we just kept the player, if that means losing him for nothing in 18 months then that’s fine with me

TheGreenMan
12-01-2020, 11:49 AM
I’d hate to lose Boyler

All depends on how much cash obviously. That plus like someone else pointed out about a new deal for Boyle. If he's not willing to sign and extension now then I'd be more inclined to sell if it happens to be Griffiths we get, even on loan. It would open up possibilities of getting him back longer term and even loan to the end of the season, he's about as guaranteed to score goals as you get in this league, even with his lack of football recently IMO

We then get cash for Boyle and can look to reinvest for next season and beyond. Don't want to lose a player of value for nothing, we don't have many sellable assets.

Hibby Kay-Yay
12-01-2020, 11:51 AM
I know. That’s why I’d rather we just kept the player.

If we don’t need the money and we can’t replace the player I’d rather we just kept the player, if that means losing him for nothing in 18 months then that’s fine with me

That’s the balancing act. Keeping good players and they then leave for nothing, or sell them when their of value and reinvest into the squad.

04Sauzee
12-01-2020, 11:59 AM
Got a message from a Celtic supporting pal that they're after Boyle.

Celtic have just got rid of 2 wingers im not sure Boyle would be on their radar?

Then again Boyle xan play wingback, wide if a diamond and uo top.

Stuart93
12-01-2020, 12:00 PM
We should be getting a new contract sorted for MB pronto

Since452
12-01-2020, 12:22 PM
Cash and Griffiths loan for Boyle is the rumour..

I'd bite their hand off tbh

04Sauzee
12-01-2020, 12:23 PM
https://twitter.com/celticrumours/status/1216319646149894145?s=19

hibs#1
12-01-2020, 12:28 PM
Celtic after Hickey. Not hibs related I know.

Hibs90
12-01-2020, 12:31 PM
Boyle is not leaving.

HendoDelivered
12-01-2020, 12:34 PM
Nisbett lad defo worth a punt. Wonder if Potts has recommended him to JR?

04Sauzee
12-01-2020, 12:37 PM
Celtic after Hickey. Not hibs related I know.

Alan Nixon saying that on Twitter. Celtic are due any sell on fee and looks like he's only got 12 months left of his contract. Thought the Hearts fans were expecting about 10M for him 😂

NC1875
12-01-2020, 12:52 PM
Celtic after Hickey. Not hibs related I know.

Did they not sign Hickey from Celtic ?

SquashedFrogg
12-01-2020, 12:58 PM
I'd bite their hand off tbh

I guess if he did end up moving then that wouldn't be the worst deal ever. But I'm not sure I'd go as far as biting their hand off.

Nicho87
12-01-2020, 01:01 PM
Thought straight away when lenny went back to Celtic the one player I’d be concerned of him nabbing would be Boyle. Clearly rated him giving him a new long term contract. 3 million and Griffiths take it or leave it if Celtic asked

SHODAN
12-01-2020, 01:13 PM
Celtic won't want Boyle.

NorthNorfolkHFC
12-01-2020, 01:17 PM
I remember similar patter on here about hundreds of players. One game is a horrendous sample size.

To be fair to him, he also made that point. One game doesn’t define him. That said, he got off a plane midweek and has gone straight into midfield and stood out. He’s a good lad as well.

They’ve some scouting network, two Argentinians playing as well (I think).


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CMurdoch
12-01-2020, 01:30 PM
Hibernian are trying to find a new club for out-of-favour goalkeeper Chris Maxwell, who is on loan from Preston North End, so they can re-sign Adam Bogdan. (Scottish Sun On Sunday, print edition)

I thought we had ended his loan and had signed Bogdan. Is this why the announcement hasn’t been made? Has this appeared on this thread and I missed it?

Maxwell on loan at Hibs for the season.
We want to bring in Bogdan in place of Maxwell.
Only way we can make it happen is if another club take over the Maxwell for the same pro rata loan fee.
If we can't find a suitable club that is willing to take him and he is willing to go to he remains ours for the rest of the season.
I suggested sounding Hearts out given Maxwell is better than all of their 3 keepers and he is already in the area.

Hibby Kay-Yay
12-01-2020, 01:48 PM
Maxwell on loan at Hibs for the season.
We want to bring in Bogdan in place of Maxwell.
Only way we can make it happen is if another club take over the Maxwell for the same pro rata loan fee.
If we can't find a suitable club that is willing to take him and he is willing to go to he remains ours for the rest of the season.
I suggested sounding Hearts out given Maxwell is better than all of their 3 keepers and he is already in the area.

Someone give Levein a call :cb

Stuart93
12-01-2020, 01:54 PM
To be fair to him, he also made that point. One game doesn’t define him. That said, he got off a plane midweek and has gone straight into midfield and stood out. He’s a good lad as well.

They’ve some scouting network, two Argentinians playing as well (I think).


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Think the owner puts a lot of cash in

Brightside
12-01-2020, 02:44 PM
not a hope in hell that Celtic are after Boyle.

we are hibs
12-01-2020, 03:08 PM
Why do we need to find maxwell a club? Just end his loan and he isnt our problem. Its up to preston to find him another club

Stuart93
12-01-2020, 03:10 PM
Why do we need to find maxwell a club? Just end his loan and he isnt our problem. Its up to preston to find him another club

Imagine there’d be a penalty to pay maybe if we want to send him back early which is probably preventing us

Ozyhibby
12-01-2020, 03:18 PM
Why do we need to find maxwell a club? Just end his loan and he isnt our problem. Its up to preston to find him another club

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Iggy Pope
12-01-2020, 03:23 PM
What about it?

If it’s at the expense of losing Boyle I’d be giving it a second thought for sure

Especially because it’s a loan that’s being spoken about, that’d be a terrible deal.

Only asked.

Iggy Pope
12-01-2020, 03:26 PM
Celtic after Hickey. Not hibs related I know.

Him and his family are Celtic daft.

CMurdoch
12-01-2020, 03:37 PM
Why do we need to find maxwell a club? Just end his loan and he isnt our problem. Its up to preston to find him another club

Ye huv heard ae contracts?

Ye huvnae

Wow!

hibs#1
12-01-2020, 03:40 PM
Did they not sign Hickey from Celtic ?

I have no idea mate.

hibs#1
12-01-2020, 03:41 PM
Alan Nixon saying that on Twitter. Celtic are due any sell on fee and looks like he's only got 12 months left of his contract. Thought the Hearts fans were expecting about 10M for him 😂

Does sound very hearts 🤣.

mjhibby
12-01-2020, 03:42 PM
Don't you just love rumours. Leigh and Celtic would benefit from him coming to an environment he's happy in. I doubt very much if Boyle would be allowed to go though. Can't see it at all though and what does it say if Leigh performs at us when he hasn't at Celtic. Nice rumour but no.

Billy Whizz
12-01-2020, 03:45 PM
Did they not sign Hickey from Celtic ?

Think he was a Celtic youth player, then joined Hearts

angus hibby
12-01-2020, 03:55 PM
Dillon Powers, exactly the type of player we desperately need; you have to give credit to DU's recruitment team.

And what do you know about this player, other than the opinion of one United fan? I like to think I know a fair bit about football and players in general and I’ve never heard of this guy. He may well be very good but why are you rushing to give praise to Uniteds recruitment team when I (imagine) you know absolutely nothing about him!?

we are hibs
12-01-2020, 03:56 PM
Ye huv heard ae contracts?

Ye huvnae

Wow!

No other club seems to have this problem sending loan players back. We really that skint

CMurdoch
12-01-2020, 03:58 PM
No other club seems to have this problem sending loan players back. We really that skint

All about money.

Can send loan players back to their parent club at any time but would still have to pay the full loan fee unless there is a condition in the loan contract allowing player to be returned without penalty after a certain time.

In Maxwells case it appears there is no break clause in the loan contract so we are trying to find another team for him to go to so we don't have to pay his parent club a loan fee for the rest of the season. This will allow us to use the money saved to give a contract to Bogdan.

MacGruber
12-01-2020, 03:59 PM
I would love Leigh Griffiths back on loan. It is obviously a risk though as he hasn't played much football for a while now and there is obviously particular reasons for that. I don't want to invite discussion about those reasons as it his own private business and wish him best of luck in getting back to where he was at with his football. That seems a way off just now and a loan would be a gamble

B.H.F.C
12-01-2020, 04:00 PM
No other club seems to have this problem sending loan players back. We really that skint

Why would we just send him back (rather than help him find another club) if it meant we had to pay him between now and the end of the season?

Can be critical of our lack of ambition in the market at times but makes perfect sense what we’re doing here.

Haymaker
12-01-2020, 04:03 PM
:hyper

Brightside
12-01-2020, 04:09 PM
No other club seems to have this problem sending loan players back. We really that skint

Why would we throw away money when it can all be sorted without chucking cash away. We aren’t hearts.

SquashedFrogg
12-01-2020, 04:17 PM
No other club seems to have this problem sending loan players back. We really that skint

Not sure how you run your finances mate but I'd rather Hibs tried to avoid paying any unnecessary fees. Seems financially prudent from the club.

SMAXXA
12-01-2020, 04:34 PM
:hyper

Why do you post this genuinely 😂

hibsbollah
12-01-2020, 04:49 PM
:hyper

I used to log on here for Hibs related news, :grr: I didn't know it would be all this childishness.

Since452
12-01-2020, 04:54 PM
I thought Sellik didn't want to deal with us because of the McGinn thing?

hibsbollah
12-01-2020, 04:57 PM
I thought Sellik didn't want to deal with us because of the McGinn thing?

But they'll deal with Hearts to get their paws on The Baby Faced Busquets? ****ing Celtic, always the same.

Since452
12-01-2020, 04:59 PM
But they'll deal with Hearts to get their paws on The Baby Faced Busquets? ****ing Celtic, always the same.

And no doubt they'll pay his 50 million asking price

Haymaker
12-01-2020, 05:05 PM
Why do you post this genuinely 😂

Because I'm excited for Leighs return.

hibsbollah
12-01-2020, 05:06 PM
And no doubt they'll pay his 50 million asking price

Cochrane is 'Zico'
Hickey is now apparently Busquets.
I want more. I actually just want folk to keep passing jambos more shovels and tell em to keep digging :hibees

Northernhibee
12-01-2020, 05:13 PM
Because I'm excited for Leighs return.

Leigh's coming back?

:hyper

Haymaker
12-01-2020, 05:14 PM
Leigh's coming back?

:hyper

Contagious isn't it?

Hibbyradge
12-01-2020, 05:14 PM
I used to log on here for Hibs related news, :grr: I didn't know it would be all this childishness.

:tee hee:

I used to come on to enjoy the puns but look what happened.

HendoDelivered
12-01-2020, 07:31 PM
Looks like some wee laddie making up rumours about Celtic wanting Boyle on Twitter.

Haymaker
12-01-2020, 08:06 PM
:tee hee:

I used to come on to enjoy the puns but look what happened.

It's disgraceful

04Sauzee
12-01-2020, 09:34 PM
Celtic about to splash £3.5m on a young striker.

GreenNWhiteArmy
12-01-2020, 09:40 PM
Celtic will be punting Griffiths the minute this striker deal concludes

Will they be hoping for an English club to come in for him? Would they loan him to us?

Ozyhibby
12-01-2020, 09:50 PM
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5162422/hearts-hijack-matty-kennedy-aberdeen-transfer-news/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1578868450
Yams trying to get Kennedy.


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Nicho87
12-01-2020, 09:53 PM
Would take Kennedy.

jacomo
12-01-2020, 09:55 PM
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5162422/hearts-hijack-matty-kennedy-aberdeen-transfer-news/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1578868450
Yams trying to get Kennedy.


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Saints will surely prefer to deal with Aberdeen, if at all. Hearts will have to pay to get him this month.

Ozyhibby
12-01-2020, 10:07 PM
Saints will surely prefer to deal with Aberdeen, if at all. Hearts will have to pay to get him this month.

And let’s face it, Hearts would need to pay a player a significant premium to beat Aberdeen to his signature given the position they are in.
Hearts will know this and this is likely just them trying to show the fans they are trying.


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B.H.F.C
12-01-2020, 10:13 PM
And let’s face it, Hearts would need to pay a player a significant premium to beat Aberdeen to his signature given the position they are in.
Hearts will know this and this is likely just them trying to show the fans they are trying.


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Time is ticking for them now. Getting on for half way through the window. They thought it would just open, players would come in and all would be well. They’ll not be far away from panicking now. I could see them spending more money than they have on players who are worth less than they’re getting paid.

Anyway, we’ve got our own squad in need of improvement and nothing much seems to be happening on that front.

007
12-01-2020, 10:18 PM
Saints will surely prefer to deal with Aberdeen, if at all. Hearts will have to pay to get him this month.

Surely Kennedy would prefer Aberdeen, if he has any ambition. Can see this one being another rejection for them.

SaulGoodman
12-01-2020, 10:20 PM
All these big names and they’re gonna end up with a winger that wasn’t good enough for us in the championship.

bingo70
12-01-2020, 10:29 PM
In didn’t mind Kennedy at Hibs. Thought he was a bit under rated if anything.

That said though, in Hearts circumstances, is an inconsistent winger blowing hot and cold really what they need just now?

For where Hearts are I don’t think he looks like a good fit. Also think going toe to toe with Aberdeen for a player probably isn’t the brightest just now, they may get him but it’ll cost them, probably significantly more than he’s worth.

Ozyhibby
12-01-2020, 10:31 PM
Time is ticking for them now. Getting on for half way through the window. They thought it would just open, players would come in and all would be well. They’ll not be far away from panicking now. I could see them spending more money than they have on players who are worth less than they’re getting paid.

Anyway, we’ve got our own squad in need of improvement and nothing much seems to be happening on that front.

Only 9 days until they play Ross County in their biggest game in years.


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CMurdoch
12-01-2020, 10:55 PM
That said though, in Hearts circumstances, is an inconsistent winger blowing hot and cold really what they need just now?

For where Hearts are I don’t think he looks like a good fit. Also think going toe to toe with Aberdeen for a player probably isn’t the brightest just now, they may get him but it’ll cost them, probably significantly more than he’s worth.

Good call.
Additionally it doesn't make sense for St J to sell one of their best players to their relegation rivals or for Hearts to do the deal now giving St J time to spend the money on reinforcements.
So looking like a pre-contract to Aberdeen unless again they offer good money now that St J can spend in this window but I suspect summer will be quick enough for Aberdeen.

rossevenil
12-01-2020, 11:05 PM
Can`t actually remember anything startling about Kennedy and his time with us to be honest.

Col2
12-01-2020, 11:33 PM
Kennedy will move to Aberdeen either in window or summer.

And it will be yet another disappointment for (It’s you’re) Daniel 😉

Looks like a McPhee recommendation. It’s tricky to work out who is in charge of player identification.

DTS
12-01-2020, 11:38 PM
Kennedy was okay for us, didn’t get much of a chance due to us hitting our best form playing a diamond with no room for wingers. He’s no better than Horgan or Boyle. If he goes to Aberdeen he’ll be a good option but not a player who would worry me coming off the bench for them at ER as much as say a Niall McGinn with his goal record or GMS when he was there. I’ll be surprised if he’s a starter for Aberdeen. If he went to hearts I think he’d be a starter and his pace would obviously be a threat but I don’t see him as too much better than Mulraney who they’re attempting to get rid of

Hibeesmad
13-01-2020, 12:47 AM
I dont think there would be many players of a decent calibre fancying a move to a team who are sitting bottom of the Scottish Premiership who are being regularly taunted by people who have been involved at the club right now.

Since452
13-01-2020, 05:27 AM
I can't remember Kennedy at Hibs and never stood out for me when we've played St Johnstone.

Unseen work
13-01-2020, 06:32 AM
Personally think Kennedy is a good player and would be a very useful addition.

Comfortable with both feet, good pace and beats a ban with ease, good crossing and creates a lot of chances.

I liked him when he was here the first time but was unfortunate we moved to a diamond and playing time was numbered. His end product has improved significantly since then too.

Him and Boyle on the wings would be very good.

Smartie
13-01-2020, 07:08 AM
In didn’t mind Kennedy at Hibs. Thought he was a bit under rated if anything.

That said though, in Hearts circumstances, is an inconsistent winger blowing hot and cold really what they need just now?

For where Hearts are I don’t think he looks like a good fit. Also think going toe to toe with Aberdeen for a player probably isn’t the brightest just now, they may get him but it’ll cost them, probably significantly more than he’s worth.

It's not bad at all for us to see other teams going toe to toe with Aberdeen though. The more they are squeezed up the way for signings, the less they'll be able to spend their greater budget on.

I also didn't mind Kennedy, in fact I rated him. He was very unlucky that he fell out of the team as we settled into a formation that didn't suit him but seemed to suit the rest of our players much better. He didn't ever let us down.

neil7908
13-01-2020, 07:13 AM
I can't remember Kennedy at Hibs and never stood out for me when we've played St Johnstone.

Same. I honestly have no recollection of him playing for us.

Allant1981
13-01-2020, 07:21 AM
Same. I honestly have no recollection of him playing for us.

Think he only played about 4 full games, the rest were dribs and drabs

Cat Stanton
13-01-2020, 07:28 AM
I can't remember Kennedy at Hibs and never stood out for me when we've played St Johnstone.

Stubbs brought him in. Looked OK, but didn't play much. Think he missed a penalty (the crucial one?) when we went out on penalties to Dundee Utd in the league Cup early in the season?

Cat Stanton
13-01-2020, 07:30 AM
Stubbs brought him in. Looked OK, but didn't play much. Think he missed a penalty (the crucial one?) when we went out on penalties to Dundee Utd in the league Cup early in the season?

For once, my alzheimer's-riddled brain is correct: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29718350

rodhibs55
13-01-2020, 07:32 AM
Think he only played about 4 full games, the rest were dribs and drabs

Like a few others have said, he was a bit unlucky when we had to change the shape of the team due to Farid getting injured at Alloa.
He is very good at beating a man and a very good percentage of the time getting a cross in. This suited Farid and I am sure it would also suit Doige.
I think he would be a good signing for us.

Dmas
13-01-2020, 07:35 AM
Stubbs brought him in. Looked OK, but didn't play much. Think he missed a penalty (the crucial one?) when we went out on penalties to Dundee Utd in the league Cup early in the season?

Looked rough round the edges when he got a run out, system stubbs went with didn’t suit him either so think he was quite unlucky, done very well on loan down south if I’m remembering right,Cardiff? Think he’d be a good signing for us better delivery will hopefully see the strikers start scoring more take a lot of pressure off Allan as well