Winter 2019-20 transfer thread

[WillowbraeHibby]

The detective work on here has been nothing short of extraordinary the past few days! Well played guys!


It certainly has been.. Been enjoyable following it all. :)

[Smartie]

Heard for a big guy he’s light on his loafers and very nimble.quite surprised the jam tarts weren’t in for him

The rate at which they are discarding established players it would be a surprise if they didn't find themselves spread a bit thin over the coming weeks.

[Unseen work]

Daily record running with it now saying it’s a trial.

Won the league with Flora 3 times in last 4.

[bingo70]

Don't be so modest Bingo 😁 I only gave the nationality, you done the donkey work. Hearing now the Estonian has signed and looking at an Italian, no further info on that one though

Finding a random Italian on Transfermarkt may be a bit trickier so I’ll leave that one for Saul 😉

[sean04]

Seen on Twitter that Naismith out for the season? Anybody confirm?

Source is Alan Swann, think he is a journalist in peterbough

[GloryGlory]

Heard for a big guy he’s light on his loafers and very nimble.quite surprised the jam tarts weren’t in for him

He's only signing for the bread and honey. :greengrin

[WoreTheGreen]

The rate at which they are discarding established players it would be a surprise if they didn't find themselves spread a bit thin over the coming weeks.

Just hope he’s not a journeyman trying to earn a crust

[The 90+2]

Just hope he’s not a journeyman trying to earn a crust

If he his I fear his hibs career will quickly become toast.

[Unseen work]

Seen on Twitter that Naismith out for the season? Anybody confirm?

Source is Alan Swann, think he is a journalist in peterbough

Would be a massive blow.

With Gray, James and Block comfortable there we should be well stocked to the end of the season.

If we wanted another the boy Steve Lawson done very well against us before the break.

[Green Reaper]

Finding a random Italian on Transfermarkt may be a bit trickier so I’ll leave that one for Saul 😉

Yep, Saul is the man for that one👍 will try to at least find out what position but cards are being held close to the chest

[J-C]

Don't be so modest Bingo 😁 I only gave the nationality, you done the donkey work. Hearing now the Estonian has signed and looking at an Italian, no further info on that one though

Lorenzo Crisetig who was mentioned earlier in the thread.

[Unseen work]

Lorenzo Crisetig who was mentioned earlier in the thread.

Another one with a very impressive CV and looked like he would be a quality addition. Must admit I’d be surprised if we got him in especially with Ainsalu and Omeonga.

That being said we were light in the middle of the park this season and have since lost Mallan and Vela so you never know!

[Bamba]

Is Reginald another trialist? :greengrin

He was the trialist we had before that we didn't sign. https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/ross-looks-to-estonia-for-reinforcement/

Seeing teams from Estonia play their bounce matches here in Finland, I'm concerned if we're focusing our recruitment there as the standard of that league is beyond terrible.

[we are hibs]

Another one with a very impressive CV and looked like he would be a quality addition. Must admit I’d be surprised if we got him in especially with Ainsula and Omeonga.

That being said we were light in the middle of the park this season and have since lost Mallan and Vela so you never know!


We needed at least 1 other midfielder (defensive minded) before vela left and mallan got injured so it would make sense. I would think if both come in one of them would maybe be 6 month deal with the option to extend.

[Since452]

Hopefully better than Henri Anier

[Iain G]

Daily record running with it now saying it’s a trial.

Won the league with Flora 3 times in last 4.

That's a good spread then :agree:

[GreenCastle]

We needed at least 1 other midfielder (defensive minded) before vela left and mallan got injured so it would make sense. I would think if both come in one of them would maybe be 6 month deal with the option to extend.

Yup.

Vela
Mallan
Naismith
Porto
Jackson ??

We have lost 4 (possibly 5) players from squad - 3 recent starters

Brought x1 in

Expecting another 2 minimum

[we are hibs]

Hopefully better than Henri Anier

Anier wasnt that bad. Didnt start many but made a few good sub appearances including being heavily involved in the winner v queen of the south to put us joint top. IIRC we wanted to keep him beyond January but dundee utd wanted him back and we signed Dagnall to replace him.

[hibbyfraelibby]

But what flight was he on?

Caught a ferry...

[Waxy]

That's a good spread then :agree:

I cant believe its not a striker.

[Joe6-2]

I cant believe its not a striker.

👍

[HoboHarry]

I cant believe its not a striker.
Correct - they should ghee us a break....

[Peevemor]

Correct - they should ghee us a break....

Excellent - that's certainly clarified things.

[supermcginn]

Anier wasnt that bad. Didnt start many but made a few good sub appearances including being heavily involved in the winner v queen of the south to put us joint top. IIRC we wanted to keep him beyond January but dundee utd wanted him back and we signed Dagnall to replace him.
We defo wanted to keep him he was an excellent impact sub.

[Iain G]

I cant believe its not a striker.

I can't believe its not Buttner...

[Since452]

Anier wasnt that bad. Didnt start many but made a few good sub appearances including being heavily involved in the winner v queen of the south to put us joint top. IIRC we wanted to keep him beyond January but dundee utd wanted him back and we signed Dagnall to replace him.

Ah Dagnall. That cup winning legend

[LaMotta]

I wish people would stop churning out these terrible puns.

[The 90+2]

I wish people would stop churning out these terrible puns.

It’s better than some of the rumours being spread.

[SteveHFC]

Another right back needed.

[Heisenberg]

Another right back needed.

Gray, James and Whittaker is surely enough cover. Other areas need prioritised first.

[mcfly]

I wish people would stop churning out these terrible puns.

Agreed. Boring

[Joe6-2]

Agreed. Boring

Woosh?

[TimeForHeroes16]

Another right back needed.

Rather Left back currently only Lewis. We had 4 right backs on the books In the summer then let go of Mackie and left us with Lewis for a season baffling behaviour from Hecky

[Hibbyradge]

If that is him then hardly a marquee signing? Not wishing to disparage the Estonian league but if he was really that good I would have thought he would have moved on before now? He has only had 3 caps for the national side since 2017.

Not trying to be doom and gloom but I had hoped we would be aiming higher than this.

Who that's available did you have in mind?

[The 90+2]

Gray, James and Whittaker is surely enough cover. Other areas need prioritised first.

Gray isn’t consistent and the other two are gash in that position. The defence is already weak as it is. We need a solid right back not cover ups.

[McKenzie]

Woosh?

No just fact. Tedious having to read through pages of drivel to find out signings. Nothing to do with hibs so no place on the board

[Smartie]

Gray isn’t consistent and the other two are gash in that position. The defence is already weak as it is. We need a solid right back not cover ups.

James was found wanting in a big way against Celtic but he was up against solid opposition and had Mallan to protect him ie was totally hung out to dry. He hasn't been seen since. If Gray can get himself fit to play every week then the position is solved. James should be adequate against the vast majority of teams, as should Whittaker. We can tweak to a back 3 with Boyle at WB potentially.

I think that there are areas needing fixed a lot more than at RB.

[The 90+2]

James was found wanting in a big way against Celtic but he was up against solid opposition and had Mallan to protect him ie was totally hung out to dry. He hasn't been seen since. If Gray can get himself fit to play every week then the position is solved. James should be adequate against the vast majority of teams, as should Whittaker. We can tweak to a back 3 with Boyle at WB potentially.

I think that there are areas needing fixed a lot more than at RB.

Fair enough, the right hand of defence was the only the only consistently safe part of the defence and now it could all of a sudden become inconsistent and shambolic again. Whittaker there gives me the fear and James simply isn’t good enough.

[Wilson]

No just fact. Tedious having to read through pages of drivel to find out signings. Nothing to do with hibs so no place on the board

Ironically the most tedious posts are from posters complaining how tedious everything is...

If we make a signing you won't miss it. The reason you are trawling through pages of drivel - which isn't exclusive to puns btw - is because there are none.

[Brightside]

Gray isn’t consistent and the other two are gash in that position. The defence is already weak as it is. We need a solid right back not cover ups.

What we need to do is spend the budget on the main areas. James is far from gash and we also have youth players that should be able to do a job if required. They have to play at some point. Midfield is our key area from improvement.

[Hibbyradge]

Ironically the most tedious posts are from posters complaining how tedious everything is...

If we make a signing you won't miss it. The reason you are trawling through pages of drivel - which isn't exclusive to puns btw - is because there are none.

Exactly. :agree:

There are 3300 posts on this thread. About 10 of them are puns. We've signed 2 players and we might have someone on trial.

If folk don't want to read drivel, they really should stick to the official site.

[Ozyhibby]

What we need to do is spend the budget on the main areas. James is far from gash and we also have youth players that should be able to do a job if required. They have to play at some point. Midfield is our key area from improvement.

Absolutely. If Gray and James can’t cover right back till the end of the season then they both should be emptied.


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[HoboHarry]

Ironically the most tedious posts are from posters complaining how tedious everything is...

If we make a signing you won't miss it. The reason you are trawling through pages of drivel - which isn't exclusive to puns btw - is because there are none.
:agree: :top marks

[Walter]

Agreed. Boring

I'm with mclfy, we are having to endure new puns almost dairy on this thread

[Stuart93]

Definitely needing a CB in now you’d think.

We only have 3 fit and play with 2

[Hibbyradge]

I'm with mclfy, we are having to endure new puns almost dairy on this thread

:faf:

:top marks

[Smartie]

Definitely needing a CB in now you’d think.

We only have 3 fit and play with 2

Part of the "RB solution" might be to play Boyle at WB again and play 3 CBs - which we can't do if we get one more injured (although I suppose Whittaker can play on the right of a back 3).

[Ozyhibby]

Part of the "RB solution" might be to play Boyle at WB again and play 3 CBs - which we can't do if we get one more injured (although I suppose Whittaker can play on the right of a back 3).

Whittaker[emoji849]


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[The 90+2]

What we need to do is spend the budget on the main areas. James is far from gash and we also have youth players that should be able to do a job if required. They have to play at some point. Midfield is our key area from improvement.

When the whole defence is weak and exposed nearly every week then budget definitely needs to be spent on they areas instead of neglecting them like we have which has led to us having a weak and aged defence. James is pish otherwise he would be playing instead of Stevenson. I’ve no idea why people think just because we have poor players that can play certain positions it’s problem solved. Naismith was the only positive of our defensive play this season and now that’s been taken away. We are more likely to get even more exposed in defence with a inadequate deputy that can play that position.

[Smartie]

Whittaker[emoji849]


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Did very well indeed against a good side the last time he played CB.

[hibbysam]

I’ve no issue with Daz coming back in and Hanlon continuing his really good form. Right back we have a couple of options, all depends on whether or not Jack Ross feels not signing a new right back will hinder us from achieving what we need to this season before spending wisely in the summer. If we can afford a right back as well as the holding midfielder then I’m happy to get a new one in, if not then we will limp along.

[DetroitHibs]

Just sign ****ing Efe. Can cover RB and CB

[Smartie]

When the whole defence is weak and exposed nearly every week then budget definitely needs to be spent on they areas instead of neglecting them like we have which has led to us having a weak and aged defence. James is pish otherwise he would be playing instead of Stevenson.

I don't think James is pish. He was diabolical against Celtic but up until the semi he'd probably been the pick of the summer arrivals (a low bar I accept).

[The 90+2]

Absolutely. If Gray and James can’t cover right back till the end of the season then they both should be emptied.


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James should be emptied regardless and Gray has to prove he can play consistently.

[The 90+2]

I don't think James is pish. He was diabolical against Celtic but up until the semi he'd probably been the pick of the summer arrivals (a low bar I accept).

Okay, pish is over dramatising it then but he’s below average and probably why he looked average in a poor team that was almost bottom of the table as the defence crumbled on a weekly basis. We need better, much much better.

[Brightside]

Definitely needing a CB in now you’d think.

We only have 3 fit and play with 2

We have 3 fit first team CBs. a stand in in Whitts. and again we have youth players that should be able to come in for a few games as required. Before these 2 injuries everyone said we had too many!

[Cat Stanton]

No just fact. Tedious having to read through pages of drivel to find out signings. Nothing to do with hibs so no place on the board

Well, at least we know what side your bread's buttered on.

[HoboHarry]

I'm with mclfy, we are having to endure new puns almost dairy on this thread
You're milking this for everything.....

[SquashedFrogg]

No just fact. Tedious having to read through pages of drivel to find out signings. Nothing to do with hibs so no place on the board

You'll probably find that a new thread is started when we sign a player. It's pretty straightforward.

[Heisenberg]

We have 3 fit first team CBs. a stand in in Whitts. and again we have youth players that should be able to come in for a few games as required. Before these 2 injuries everyone said we had too many!

While this is true, the manager himself has said if the injuries turned out to be bad we’d need to change our priorities in the transfer market, which tells me we’ll be signing another defender.

[SideBurns]

We have 3 fit first team CBs. a stand in in Whitts. and again we have youth players that should be able to come in for a few games as required. Before these 2 injuries everyone said we had too many!

This again raises the development issue. As you say, we have youth players who should be able to take these opportunities. But every time we get an injury folk start shouting, 'We need to sign a replacement'. A Hibs manager should have the confidence to give a young player a chance to prove himself - if he doesn't, there's something wrong.

[erin go bragh]

With Ryan and Naismith out for the forceable ,we could do with signing Effe Ambrose .
Can cover both positions and is currently without a club .

[greenlex]

We have 3 fit first team CBs. a stand in in Whitts. and again we have youth players that should be able to come in for a few games as required. Before these 2 injuries everyone said we had too many!

Very much this. There more urgent areas need addressed even after this latest injury blow.

[Winston Ingram]

We have 3 fit first team CBs. a stand in in Whitts. and again we have youth players that should be able to come in for a few games as required. Before these 2 injuries everyone said we had too many!

This

[mentalhibee]

With Ryan and Naismith out for the forceable ,we could do with signing Effe Ambrose .
Can cover both positions and is currently without a club .

Has to be done! Or Gunnarsson if he’s still available

[Joe6-2]

Has to be done! Or Gunnarsson if he’s still available

Good shout

[Henderson2Del]

Let’s be honest it’s over a year since efe probably played. He can’t be a serious option

[hhibs]

With Ryan and Naismith out for the forceable ,we could do with signing Effe Ambrose .
Can cover both positions and is currently without a club .



Far too sensible .

[Captain Trips]

These are players we know as have seen but perhaps Jack in his last few years knows a player or two to come in who has never been here.

[Hamish]

There is an Scotland centre back, newly married and wouldn't need a relocation package who we could go for.

[tonyrougier123]

We have 3 fit first team CBs. a stand in in Whitts. and again we have youth players that should be able to come in for a few games as required. Before these 2 injuries everyone said we had too many!

Thats dangerous talk imo!
If gray or/and big daz relapse we are paddling upstream.

If sadiki is ready bring him in if not sign a centre half.and a right back,or play james and see where the chips fall.
I'm assuming jackson wont be leaving now?

[SHODAN]

There is an Scotland centre back,newly married and wouldn't need a relocation package who we could go for.

If he's willing to take a cut in salary and is content with battling for a place, why not?

[Vault Boy]

If he's willing to take a cut in salary and is content with battling for a place, why not?

Why should we not strengthen Hearts' budget, by signing one of their absolute worst players who would only make us weaker?

[04Sauzee]

If he's willing to take a cut in salary and is content with battling for a place, why not?

If you think Mallan gets it tight imagine how tight Berra would get it when his first pass went astray.

[TimeForHeroes16]

Sadiki is 21 you’d think he’s at the age now where he would be getting a chance

[Ozyhibby]

Sadiki is 21 you’d thing he’s at the age now where he would be getting a chance

If he is going to make it he should be able to step in now. If not then he needs moved on.


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[Vault Boy]

If he is going to make it he should be able to step in now. If not then he needs moved on.


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In fairness we only signed him a year ago, players develop at different rates. Would be good to see him trusted to step up though.

[AlbertK86]

Tam McManus saying on Twitter he hasn’t heard anything about Efe coming back and hasn’t told anybody this


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[Ozyhibby]

In fairness we only signed him a year ago, players develop at different rates. Would be good to see him trusted to step up though.

By 21 you need to be ready to play adult football.


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[Brightside]

By 21 you need to be ready to play adult football.


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The boy is massive. Certainly no physical reason for him not playing.

[Bronson]

I’ve no issue with Daz coming back in and Hanlon continuing his really good form. Right back we have a couple of options, all depends on whether or not Jack Ross feels not signing a new right back will hinder us from achieving what we need to this season before spending wisely in the summer. If we can afford a right back as well as the holding midfielder then I’m happy to get a new one in, if not then we will limp along.

‘Hanlon continuing his really good form’

Are you being facetious? Worst he’s been since relegation imo

[NC1875]

There is an Scotland centre back, newly married and wouldn't need a relocation package who we could go for.

Hi Christophe

[Ozyhibby]

The boy is massive. Certainly no physical reason for him not playing.

And technically he should be ready by that age as well. Not saying you don’t get better after that age but he should be making the bench by now if he was going to be breaking through soon.


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[The 90+2]

And technically he should be ready by that age as well. Not saying you don’t get better after that age but he should be making the bench by now if he was going to be breaking through soon.


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People are ripping into Porteous for his mistakes and lunges and he’s still very raw for a centre half, I don’t think it would be in the best interests of a young players development to come in this raw at the moment instead of spending some money on a player or two.

[MacGruber]

We were not planning on going in for a defender but have now lost a 1st choice right back and centre back so need a bit of cover. Ideally one player who can fill both roles. Looking for quality and not just making up the numbers. A 1st team player not a squad player. Experienced. Scottish Football experienced and will get Hibs.

It is hard to sign players like this in January window as most players like this are attached to clubs and would demand fees

Hmmm..... Efe Ambrose anyone.

Biggest no brainer going. 6 month deal. Jobs a good un

[Centre Hawf]

I haven't heard anything but is Naismith going back from his loan or anything? All I've read is he's out for 6 months which will be till at least June time, as far as I'm aware unless we have a deal to take him after the season finished his time at us should be over?


Also Efe is an absolute no brainer at the moment.

[SMAXXA]

I haven't heard anything but is Naismith going back from his loan or anything? All I've read is he's out for 6 months which will be till at least June time, as far as I'm aware unless we have a deal to take him after the season finished his time at us should be over?


Also Efe is an absolute no brainer at the moment.

We are still Liable for his wages and we have a responsibility to treat him and rehabilitate him. Different if he was from down there he would probably be heading home and get treatment there.

[The 90+2]

We are still Liable for his wages and we have a responsibility to treat him and rehabilitate him. Different if he was from down there he would probably be heading home and get treatment there.

There’s been lots of players before that head back to their parent club for treatment. It probably is a testament to the club if they want us to keep him here.

[Centre Hawf]

We are still Liable for his wages and we have a responsibility to treat him and rehabilitate him. Different if he was from down there he would probably be heading home and get treatment there.

Not really though, plenty clubs prefer to rehab their own players to make sure their "Asset" is in the best care. Understandable about the wages thing though if Peterborough would rather have the money in their budget for the rest of their season.

[Gmack7]

We were not planning on going in for a defender but have now lost a 1st choice right back and centre back so need a bit of cover. Ideally one player who can fill both roles. Looking for quality and not just making up the numbers. A 1st team player not a squad player. Experienced. Scottish Football experienced and will get Hibs.

It is hard to sign players like this in January window as most players like this are attached to clubs and would demand fees

Hmmm..... Efe Ambrose anyone.

Biggest no brainer going. 6 month deal. Jobs a good un

Jack Hendry🙄

[04Sauzee]

Jack Hendry🙄

Did he not go to Australia?

[brog]

The boy is massive. Certainly no physical reason for him not playing.

Having seen him (Sadiki) recently I think he's way behind Ben Stirling in the pecking order. The fact Ben went to Spain with the 1st team squad suggests the club think likewise. I would have no problem with Ben getting an opportunity, I suspect he may be on bench in next few games.

[angus hibby]

We were not planning on going in for a defender but have now lost a 1st choice right back and centre back so need a bit of cover. Ideally one player who can fill both roles. Looking for quality and not just making up the numbers. A 1st team player not a squad player. Experienced. Scottish Football experienced and will get Hibs.

It is hard to sign players like this in January window as most players like this are attached to clubs and would demand fees

Hmmm..... Efe Ambrose anyone.

Biggest no brainer going. 6 month deal. Jobs a good un

Niklas Gunnarsson.

[Unseen work]

Having seen him (Sadiki) recently I think he's way behind Ben Stirling in the pecking order. The fact Ben went to Spain with the 1st team squad suggests the club think likewise. I would have no problem with Ben getting an opportunity, I suspect he may be on bench in next few games.

I personally much prefer Stirling in the middle of the park.

Think our defence is an odd one at the moment, Jackson has looked good to me when given a chance and not yet had a run in the team but can’t get a look in whatsoever.

[TimeForHeroes16]

Having seen him (Sadiki) recently I think he's way behind Ben Stirling in the pecking order. The fact Ben went to Spain with the 1st team squad suggests the club think likewise. I would have no problem with Ben getting an opportunity, I suspect he may be on bench in next few games.

More than happy for it to be Stirling even better, have you seen much of Ben? Is he better at CB or CDM?

[B.H.F.C]

Having seen him (Sadiki) recently I think he's way behind Ben Stirling in the pecking order. The fact Ben went to Spain with the 1st team squad suggests the club think likewise. I would have no problem with Ben getting an opportunity, I suspect he may be on bench in next few games.

Not so sure. Would expect James and Jackson on to the bench tomorrow with Gray and McGregor in to the eleven.

Ross got asked at his press conference (can’t remember if it was Friday or Monday) about the young players that came back from loan and he pretty much said that Gullan was the only one he thought would be part of his squad. Of course things could change with the injuries, I’m not sure Stirling will play a part though.

[The Wireless]

The best possible signing Hibs could now bring to Easter Rd this transfer window would be Will Vaulks in and out of the Cardiff team. This boy can go full back, central defence and centre midfield. Mobile and would be a superb signing.

[660]

‘Hanlon continuing his really good form’

Are you being facetious? Worst he’s been since relegation imo

Worst since relegation when he was injured and we likely would have stayed up had he been fit. Hmmm

[Hibeesmad]

The best possible signing Hibs could now bring to Easter Rd this transfer window would be Will Vaulks in and out of the Cardiff team. This boy can go full back, central defence and centre midfield. Mobile and would be a superb signing.

With Wales playing in the Euro's in the summer he be wanting first team football. Doesn't seem to be getting that regularly just now. Would probably have many suitors if he was to become available on loan.

[Unseen work]

Forgot to post earlier.

Read an article that we were after Robbie Mcrorie from Rangers but it’s been knocked back and he’s going to Livi on loan.

I imagine it’s due to him potentially getting more game time there

[NC1875]

Forgot to post earlier.

Read an article that we were after Robbie Mcrorie from Rangers but it’s been knocked back and he’s going to Livi on loan.

I imagine it’s due to him potentially getting more game time there

Sure he’s a keeper ? Would seem pointless.

[04Sauzee]

Forgot to post earlier.

Read an article that we were after Robbie Mcrorie from Rangers but it’s been knocked back and he’s going to Livi on loan.

I imagine it’s due to him potentially getting more game time there
Not sure why that woukd ne, Rangers wouldn't loan us someone to be No 3 GK

[Heisenberg]

Not sure why that woukd ne, Rangers wouldn't loan us someone to be No 3 GK

I think we tried to buy him going by the article I read in the Scotsman.

[JohnM1875]

I think we tried to buy him going by the article I read in the Scotsman.

Yup. Tried to buy him but The Rangers see him as potential number one in a few years so opted to loan him instead.

[Heisenberg]

Ross County are set to conclude a permanent deal for Oli Shaw after having a six-figure bid accepted by Hibernian for the Scotland Under-21 striker. (Daily Express, print edition)

[Dazzjw1875]

I see according to news County have agreed a 6 figure sum eith us to sign Oli Shaw on a perm?

[Hibee Mac]

Since when we're Ross County dishing out 6 figure sums for largely unproven youth players?

Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining if true

[Heisenberg]

Since when we're Ross County dishing out 6 figure sums for largely unproven youth players?

Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining if true

Their owner has been known to splash the cash if they are struggling in January.

[Brightside]

Worst since relegation when he was injured and we likely would have stayed up had he been fit. Hmmm

Dont feed them.

[easty]

Since when we're Ross County dishing out 6 figure sums for largely unproven youth players?

Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining if true

I thought that tae...can’t remember them buying anyone.

Just checked on that Transfermarkt site, it says they’ve only ever paid one transfer fee. For Derek Holmes from Hearts in 1999/2000. £68k

[EAZY-ME]

I see according to news County have agreed a 6 figure sum eith us to sign Oli Shaw on a perm?

Wouldn't be surprised if we let him go but hopefully if its true we have a sell on clause...... must mean someone is being lined up to replace him...I'm not a fan of McNulty though

[SquashedFrogg]

Sure he’s a keeper ? Would seem pointless.

If we lose Rocky and Bogdan in the summer it wouldn't have been pointless.

[The 90+2]

I thought that tae...can’t remember them buying anyone.

Just checked on that Transfermarkt site, it says they’ve only ever paid one transfer fee. For Derek Holmes from Hearts in 1999/2000. £68k

Richie Brittain after that pre-contract stuff with St Johnstone cost them £40k also 👍

[The 90+2]

If we lose Rocky and Bogdan in the summer it wouldn't have been pointless.

If we lose them both in the summer then I hope we wouldn’t replace them with a young goalie who will probably be sub for Livingston at this stage.

[superfurryhibby]

I thought that tae...can’t remember them buying anyone.

Just checked on that Transfermarkt site, it says they’ve only ever paid one transfer fee. For Derek Holmes from Hearts in 1999/2000. £68k

Must admit, I find the quoted six figure fee a bit baffling. Maybe a bit like the Doidge 350,000k. Only realised in reality via a myriad of add on's that most likely will never be attained.

Hope it's true though, it would be good for Shaw and Hibs if he moves on.

[SquashedFrogg]

If we lose them both in the summer then I hope we wouldn’t replace them with a young goalie who will probably be sub for Livingston at this stage.

Fair point. Although I think he might be going straight into their 1st team as their new loan keeper crocked on his debut on Sat.

Get your point though.

[HibsGW]

So currently;

Out;
Maxwell
Shaw
Vela

In/Returned;
Omeonga
Gullan

Players long term injured;
Mallan
Porteous
Naismith

[The 90+2]

Fair point. Although I think he might be going straight into their 1st team as their new loan keeper crocked on his debut on Sat.

Get your point though.

Thanks, saying that if he shows himself to be capable at Livingston for the next 6 months if he’s going into their first time it could prove me wrong and be too late to afford him come the summer.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

So currently;

Out;
Maxwell
Shaw
Vela

In/Returned;
Omeonga
Gullan

Players long term injured;
Mallan
Porteous
Naismith

Mentioned on another thread, Gray returning from long term injury should really be included aswell.

[HibsGW]

Mentioned on another thread, Gray returning from long term injury should really be included aswell.

True, always reluctant with that though because it always seems to be the case that we’ll be without him again in a couple of weeks, fingers crossed though

[hibbysam]

‘Hanlon continuing his really good form’

Are you being facetious? Worst he’s been since relegation imo

Makes very little mistakes, wins most of his aerial duals and his distribution has been very good again. It’s best to watch games and focus on individuals to see how they are playing, in Paul’s case very well for a prolonged period now, other than a few little mistakes that most players at all levels make, none glaring though. Majority of our mistakes have either come from left back or right centre half, but the biggest flaw is not having the holding midfielder.

He was also one of our best players the season we went down and only injury prevented him from probably keeping us in the league. If this is his worst since then, it shows how good he has been in the years previous.

[EAZY-ME]

Looks like Boyles going to Celtic as being touted by Stubbs and si ferry......I predict 3 seasons at celtic followed by a stint at aberdeen

[Gloucester Hibs]

Looks like Boyles going to Celtic as being touted by Stubbs and si ferry......I predict 3 seasons at celtic followed by a stint at aberdeen

Be bonkers to sell him in this window. He'll likely be starting for Australia in the Copa America in the summer which is a far bigger shop window than the Ladbrokes Premiership and should attract bigger fish if he performs well. In the meantime I'd still be trying to persuade him to sign a new deal that benefits both parties.

[Since452]

Looks like Boyles going to Celtic as being touted by Stubbs and si ferry......I predict 3 seasons at celtic followed by a stint at aberdeen

After selling Shaw were pretty limited up front. Unless we bring in the likes of Griffiths Boyle won't be going anywhere

[Jones28]

Looks like Boyles going to Celtic as being touted by Stubbs and si ferry......I predict 3 seasons at celtic followed by a stint at aberdeen

We would be bonkers to sell him now.

[Peevemor]

After selling Shaw were pretty limited up front. Unless we bring in the likes of Griffiths Boyle won't be going anywhere

Boyle won't go to Celtic without Griffiths coming the other way.

[NC1875]

If we lose Rocky and Bogdan in the summer it wouldn't have been pointless.

Didn’t realise it was a permanent deal we were trying for as Livi have only taken him on loan.

[Stuart93]

Looks like Boyles going to Celtic as being touted by Stubbs and si ferry......I predict 3 seasons at celtic followed by a stint at aberdeen

I still don’t think he’s going to Celtic. Can be touted by whoever, doesn’t mean it’s happening

[EAZY-ME]

How do I pop a picture in my profile

[SquashedFrogg]

Didn’t realise it was a permanent deal we were trying for as Livi have only taken him on loan.

I suppose if we are interested then we will get a look at him betwen the sticks for Livi.

[makaveli1875]

After selling Shaw were pretty limited up front. Unless we bring in the likes of Griffiths Boyle won't be going anywhere

Ross said Shaw would only be allowed to leave if he signed another striker , fingers crossed he has someone lined up

[Oscar T Grouch]

Wonder if the move will happen in time for Oli to score a brace against hertz? Makes sense for them to sign a striker given Stewart’s our injured and going by the Doidge most relied on player chart, 2nd on that was Stewart.

[Hibbyradge]

So currently;

Out;
Maxwell
Shaw
Vela

In/Returned;
Omeonga
Gullan

Players long term injured;
Mallan
Porteous
Naismith

Bogdan in.

[HibsGW]

Bogdan in.

Bogdan out, Bogdan in, shake it all about

Already here beforehand, just seems like an extension really. Hope we get him permanently in the summer

[Gordy M]

Middleton from Rangers also had his loan cut short did he not?

[HibsGW]

Middleton from Rangers also had his loan cut short did he not?

True there’s another one, Boyle coming back has helped with that but it’s feeling like we’re pretty light on numbers

[Jones28]

True there’s another one, Boyle coming back has helped with that but it’s feeling like we’re pretty light on numbers

We’ve got 3 fit right backs and a million midfielders. Light on wingers, forwards, centre half’s and left sided defenders.

Ridiculously unbalanced squad, which is Heckingbottoms legacy at Hibs.

[Hibbyradge]

Makes very little mistakes, wins most of his aerial duals and his distribution has been very good again. It’s best to watch games and focus on individuals to see how they are playing, in Paul’s case very well for a prolonged period now, other than a few little mistakes that most players at all levels make, none glaring though. Majority of our mistakes have either come from left back or right centre half, but the biggest flaw is not having the holding midfielder.

He was also one of our best players the season we went down and only injury prevented him from probably keeping us in the league. If this is his worst since then, it shows how good he has been in the years previous.

The thing is, people do focus on Paul Hanlon, but not to analyse his performance objectively. Whether consciously or not, they look for anything that could be construed as a mistake or poor play to confirm their bias.

Every single player makes several "mistakes" in every game, even those who have given MOM performances. If you want to find things to criticise, you'll find them.

I remember a TV show hosted by David Baddiel and Frank Skinner during which they had a weekly piece called "Pele was sh*t". They would just show video clips of Pele making mistakes e.g. tripping up, blazing shots over the bar, missing penalties etc etc etc.

Sometimes I think this place is a re-run of that, just with different players.

[dar]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-run-rule-over-estonian-internationalist-mihkel-ainsalu-1371605

[HibsGW]

We’ve got 3 fit right backs and a million midfielders. Light on wingers, forwards, centre half’s and left sided defenders.

Ridiculously unbalanced squad, which is Heckingbottoms legacy at Hibs.

Agree, part of the issue as well is the lack of variety in midfielders, as we all know, so many available and none of them a defensive midfielder. I always thought it came across as if he’d just signed players he liked with no thought of what he wanted to do with them or how they’d fit into our team

[Blaster]

We’ve got 3 fit right backs and a million midfielders. Light on wingers, forwards, centre half’s and left sided defenders.

Ridiculously unbalanced squad, which is Heckingbottoms legacy at Hibs.

Who are all the midfielders everyone refers to? I thought everyone believed we needed a defensive midfielder in and we still do. Getting Omeonga in and vela out is a great piece of business but still need a more defensive one in

[Peevemor]

Who are all the midfielders everyone refers to? I thought everyone believed we needed a defensive midfielder in and we still do. Getting Omeonga in and vela out is a great piece of business but still need a more defensive one in

Allan, Boyle, Hallberg, Horgan, Mallan, Murray, Newell, Omeonga & Slivka (+ Vela until this week).

[HibsGW]

Who are all the midfielders everyone refers to? I thought everyone believed we needed a defensive midfielder in and we still do. Getting Omeonga in and vela out is a great piece of business but still need a more defensive one in

Slivka, Allan, Mallan, Hallberg, Omeonga, Horgan and Murray. Totally agree with you, thats the problem though, got all these guys to fill what are essentially 2 slots because we should have a defensive midfielder along with them and we generally start with a mix of 3 of them. Allan being one guaranteed then there’s however many spare

[Jones28]

Agree, part of the issue as well is the lack of variety in midfielders, as we all know, so many available and none of them a defensive midfielder. I always thought it came across as if he’d just signed players he liked with no thought of what he wanted to do with them or how they’d fit into our team

Totally right, sign players willy nilly without consideration for the balance of the team and where they would actually fit in

[HibsGW]

Totally right, sign players willy nilly without consideration for the balance of the team and where they would actually fit in

Still baffles me that we have 4 right backs on the books, none being youth guys

[Jones28]

Who are all the midfielders everyone refers to? I thought everyone believed we needed a defensive midfielder in and we still do. Getting Omeonga in and vela out is a great piece of business but still need a more defensive one in

We do, but we have Slivka, mallan, Allan, Omeonga, Hallberg, Newall and Horgan as well as Fraser Murray, so that’s 8 players and not one is in the position we really need - despite getting rid of 2 CDM’s in the summer.

[Brooster]

Mackie back at Hibs too.

[Logie]

Did he not go to Australia?

Melbourne City FC can confirm it has signed Scottish defender Jack Hendry on an injury replacement contract.

[HibsGW]

Mackie back at Hibs too.

Is he? I thought he’s staying at Dundee for the season?

[Billy Whizz]

Is he? I thought he’s staying at Dundee for the season?

Think he’s got an injury

[Blaster]

Slivka, Allan, Mallan, Hallberg, Omeonga, Horgan and Murray. Totally agree with you, thats the problem though, got all these guys to fill what are essentially 2 slots because we should have a defensive midfielder along with them and we generally start with a mix of 3 of them. Allan being one guaranteed then there’s however many spare

It’s not the amount we have, it’s the similar types that’s the issue. 3 of that list will usually play, couple on the bench so (allowing for injuries) it’s not as heavy as we think. Murray is still developing and breaking through

[Brooster]

Is he? I thought he’s staying at Dundee for the season?

Back but injured. Out for months.

[Brightside]

Think he’s got an injury

ffs Loads of luck with the team at the moment.

[Blaster]

Mackie back at Hibs too.

He won’t be good enough for hibs as a left back. Need to look elsewhere for Lewis replacement

[hibbysam]

The thing is, people do focus on Paul Hanlon, but not to analyse his performance objectively. Whether consciously or not, they look for anything that could be construed as a mistake or poor play to confirm their bias.

Every single player makes several "mistakes" in every game, even those who have given MOM performances. If you want to find things to criticise, you'll find them.

I remember a TV show hosted by David Baddiel and Frank Skinner during which they had a weekly piece called "Pele was sh*t". They would just show video clips of Pele making mistakes e.g. tripping up, blazing shots over the bar, missing penalties etc etc etc.

Sometimes I think this place is a re-run of that, just with different players.

Partly, the other side is ‘hibs concede a goal, definitely Hanlon’s fault’ then analyse a goal to death to try and find a fault by him. Take Sunday's first goal, looking objectively and it’s clear had we had a sitting midfielder the ball doesn’t get fired in, Porteous doesn’t get dragged out, Hanlon therefore doesn’t have to follow, and Stevenson isn’t isolated. What people on here say is ‘Hanlon was marking Shankland and ran away from him therefore his fault’ - it’s honestly staggering. He’s had a lot of really good games this year, with different keepers behind him, different centre half partners beside him almost weekly, and rarely ever have we had a settled back 5, and all this without a natural sitting midfielder.

[The Modfather]

The thing is, people do focus on Paul Hanlon, but not to analyse his performance objectively. Whether consciously or not, they look for anything that could be construed as a mistake or poor play to confirm their bias.

Every single player makes several "mistakes" in every game, even those who have given MOM performances. If you want to find things to criticise, you'll find them.

I remember a TV show hosted by David Baddiel and Frank Skinner during which they had a weekly piece called "Pele was sh*t". They would just show video clips of Pele making mistakes e.g. tripping up, blazing shots over the bar, missing penalties etc etc etc.

Sometimes I think this place is a re-run of that, just with different players.

While all that is true, there are a number of posters who are just as imbalanced and see no wrong in Hanlon, ever.

My question marks over him are not so much over his individual quality, more the fact that the collective unit of Stevenson, Hanlon, McGregor & Gray, who are all good defenders individually, has always had a bit of a soft underbelly. They’re not helped this year with what’s in front of them, but since they all signed we’ve always had a habit of conceding cheap goals. The midfield issues are only part of the reason we’ve lost so many leads this season IMO.

[Ronniekirk]

Think he’s got an injury

Well if that’s the case no use to us then The bad news just keeps coming
This is a real challenge now for new manager If he keeps us in top six he will have done a decent job under the circumstances


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[Keyser Sauzee]

If we’re taking back Mackie to rehabilitate him through his injury should Peterborough do the same with Naismith?? I understand that keeping Naismith here might be the right thing to do and I wouldn’t be that disappointed if we did but ultimately if it frees up a wage for us to get someone else in I’d prefer that to happen.

[Brightside]

While all that is true, there are a number of posters who are just as imbalanced and see no wrong in Hanlon, ever.

My question marks over him are not so much over his individual quality, more the fact that the collective unit of Stevenson, Hanlon, McGregor & Gray, who are all good defenders individually, has always had a bit of a soft underbelly. They’re not helped this year with what’s in front of them, but since they all signed we’ve always had a habit of conceding cheap goals. The midfield issues are only part of the reason we’ve lost so many leads this season IMO.

Poppycock. Hanlon makes plenty mistakes. He’s still a good player.

[Peevemor]

Poppycock. Hanlon makes plenty mistakes. He’s still a good player.

:shocked:

[SquashedFrogg]

If we’re taking back Mackie to rehabilitate him through his injury should Peterborough do the same with Naismith?? I understand that keeping Naismith here might be the right thing to do and I wouldn’t be that disappointed if we did but ultimately if it frees up a wage for us to get someone else in I’d prefer that to happen.

Who's to say we are paying his wage now? Possibly just makes sense for everyone for him to rehabilitate in Scotland.

[Hibbyradge]

While all that is true, there are a number of posters who are just as imbalanced and see no wrong in Hanlon, ever.

My question marks over him are not so much over his individual quality, more the fact that the collective unit of Stevenson, Hanlon, McGregor & Gray, who are all good defenders individually, has always had a bit of a soft underbelly. They’re not helped this year with what’s in front of them, but since they all signed we’ve always had a habit of conceding cheap goals. The midfield issues are only part of the reason we’ve lost so many leads this season IMO.

Almost every defence would look vulnerable if it wasn't being protected by its midfield. Our back 4 is exposed time and time again.

The attacking team will eventually get chances, either through good skill and timing, pure luck, a lapse in concentration, or a mistake from a defender.

Last season, after 38 games, we conceded only 39 goals. After 21 games this term, we've already shipped 36. If that rate continues, our goals against column will show 65 in May.

That's Heckingbottom's fault, not Paul Hanlon or Lewis Stevenson's.

If we give the defence some protection by way of a defensive midfielder, that rate will slow dramatically. Of that I have no doubt.

[easty]

The thing is, people do focus on Paul Hanlon, but not to analyse his performance objectively. Whether consciously or not, they look for anything that could be construed as a mistake or poor play to confirm their bias.

Every single player makes several "mistakes" in every game, even those who have given MOM performances. If you want to find things to criticise, you'll find them.
.

:agree:

When Doidge scored the other night, it was "unreal pass by Boyle" and "great movement from Doidge"

If the exact same goal had been scored at the other end, Hanlon would be getting slated for being cut open too easily by a pass and for not seeing the runner get in behind him.

[Keyser Sauzee]

Who's to say we are paying his wage now? Possibly just makes sense for everyone for him to rehabilitate in Scotland.

I think it’s a fair assumption to make that until the club announce he’s left us then we will still be paying his wage.

[Since90+2]

Almost every defence would look vulnerable if it wasn't being protected by its midfield. Our back 4 is exposed time and time again.

The attacking team will eventually get chances, either through good skill and timing, pure luck, or a lapse in concentration) mistake from a defender.

Last season, after 38 games, we conceded only 39 goals. After 21 games this term, we've already shipped 36. If that rate continues, our goals against column will show 65 in May.

That's Heckingbottom's fault, not Paul Hanlon or Lewis Stevenson's.

If we give the defence some protection by way of a defensive midfielder, that rate will slow dramatically. Of that I have no doubt.

I get your general point but to say it's not the fault of the two most picked players in the back four to have leaked so many goals is stretching things abit.

[The Modfather]

:agree:

When Doidge scored the other night, it was "unreal pass by Boyle" and "great movement from Doidge"

If the exact same goal had been scored at the other end, Hanlon would be getting slated for being cut open too easily by a pass and for not seeing the runner get in behind him.

Although the converse is also true for our strikers. Folk were criticising Doidge for not scoring at the end. No mention of the keeper doing well and making a good save, or a great pass and great touch to set up the chance. Think folk in general form an opinion on a player and they then critique to that opinion rather than judging the situation on merit.

[Hibbyradge]

I get your general point but to say it's not the fault of the two most picked players in the back four to have leaked so many goals is stretching things abit.

No, it's not.

Players beat other players. If you allow your opponent 5 one against one opportunities in a game, they might take one or two and set up a chance. If you allow them 20 opportunities, they'll take several.

It's like saying your striker is to blame for not scoring when he got no service from the rest of the team.

It's a team game.

[Hibbyradge]

Although the converse is also true for our strikers. Folk were criticising Doidge for not scoring at the end. No mention of the keeper doing well and making a good save, or a great pass and great touch to set up the chance. Think folk in general form an opinion on a player and they then critique to that opinion rather than judging the situation on merit.

Correct.

It's called confirmation bias. (I'm sure you know that. :aok:)

[edinburghhibee]

See we have Estonian international Mihkel Ainsalu on trial of anyone’s interested... [emoji16]


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[The Modfather]

Almost every defence would look vulnerable if it wasn't being protected by its midfield. Our back 4 is exposed time and time again.

The attacking team will eventually get chances, either through good skill and timing, pure luck, a lapse in concentration, or a mistake from a defender.

Last season, after 38 games, we conceded only 39 goals. After 21 games this term, we've already shipped 36. If that rate continues, our goals against column will show 65 in May.

That's Heckingbottom's fault, not Paul Hanlon or Lewis Stevenson's.

If we give the defence some protection by way of a defensive midfielder, that rate will slow dramatically. Of that I have no doubt.

Again, I agree with what you say. Although I still think the defence hasn’t particularly covered itself in glory for large parts of this season, despite the mitigation of what’s in front of them, or rather lack off.

My more general point was that for as long as we’ve had that back 4 (and they have served us well), even when they have had a proper midfield in front of them, they’ve always had a bit of a soft underbelly and dropped far too many points in the last 5 years because of that. If we’re to get to the level of consistently challenging Aberdeen for 3rd some difficult, and probably unpopular, decisions will need to be made during the rebuild.

[GloryGlory]

Maxwell confirmed away.

[Hibbyradge]

Again, I agree with what you say. Although I still think the defence has particularly covered itself in glory for large parts of this season, despite the mitigation of what’s in front of them, or rather lack off.

My more general point was that for as long as we’ve had that back 4 (and they have served us well), even when they have had a proper midfield in front of them, they’ve always had a bit of a soft underbelly and dropped far too many points in the last 5 years because of that. If we’re to get to the level of consistently challenging Aberdeen for 3rd some difficult, and probably unpopular, decisions will need to be made during the rebuild.

Last season we conceded 39 goals. That's the 4th lowest in the league and 5 less than 4th placed Aberdeen.

It included 8 clean sheets with one each against Rangers and Celtic.

This season we're heading for 65 goals against. We binned Marvin Bartley and Mark Milligan in the summer and did not replace them.

You need look no further for the reason we're leaking goals.

Edit: Having said all that, if we can bring in better players than the one's we've got, of course we should. That goes without saying.

[hibIBZ]

See we have Estonian international Mihkel Ainsalu on trial of anyone’s interested... [emoji16]


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Literally know nothing about the guy apart from what a internet search says

6ft 2 midfielder, full internationalist, good number of appearances in teh Estonian league.

Could be good but who really knows

[sean04]

Maxwell confirmed away.

Another wage saved. Done alright but wasn’t convinced by him. Mistake at Ross county was the end of him

[Barman Stanton]

Literally know nothing about the guy apart from what a internet search says

6ft 2 midfielder, full internationalist, good number of appearances in teh Estonian league.

Could be good but who really knows

Bulk of his appearances are in the Maltese League, not in Estonia. He has won 3 League titles there.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Last season we conceded 39 goals. That's the 4th lowest in the league and 5 less than 4th placed Aberdeen.

It included 8 clean sheets with one each against Rangers and Celtic.

This season we're heading for 65 goals against. We binned Marvin Bartley and Mark Milligan in the summer and did not replace them.

You need look no further for the reason we're leaking goals.

Darren Mcgregor being injured also a big factor IMO

[sean04]

Jack Hendry away to Australia on loan

[hibIBZ]

Bulk of his appearances are in the Maltese League, not in Estonia. He has won 3 League titles there.

All appearances have been in the Estonian league for nomme kalju and FC Flora

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Jack Hendry away to Australia on loan

Have they no suffered enough lately?

[Speedway]

Maxwell loan cut short rather than picked up by Blackpool therefore wage liability reforms to PNE.

I assume that means we’ve incurred a penalty to shift him?

[WillowbraeHibby]

Maxwell loan cut short rather than picked up by Blackpool therefore wage liability reforms to PNE.

I assume that means we’ve incurred a penalty to shift him?

Was he not recalled?

[Unseen work]

Vela
Middleton
Maxwell
Shaw (Potentially)

All off the books and

Omeonga
Bogdan

Coming in, there’s surely room for another couple of players of a decent quality now.

Mcnulty, two centre mids and a centre half would be ideal.

Still potential Jackson could go and with Slivkas contract up in the summer with him supposedly refusing a new one you never know.

[Speedway]

Was he not recalled?

Not according to the fishy.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Maxwell loan cut short rather than picked up by Blackpool therefore wage liability reforms to PNE.

I assume that means we’ve incurred a penalty to shift him?

Or there was a break clause?

[WillowbraeHibby]

Not according to the fishy.


Just what I was seeing on Lancashire Post. Whatever, the lads away. We move on. :aok:

[makaveli1875]

Was he not recalled?

Read they had recalled him and terminated his contract

[CapitalGreen]

Last season we conceded 39 goals. That's the 4th lowest in the league and 5 less than 4th placed Aberdeen.

It included 8 clean sheets with one each against Rangers and Celtic.

This season we're heading for 65 goals against. We binned Marvin Bartley and Mark Milligan in the summer and did not replace them.

You need look no further for the reason we're leaking goals.

Edit: Having said all that, if we can bring in better players than the one's we've got, of course we should. That goes without saying.

Bartley only played 654 minutes of league football for us last year so I’m not sure we don’t need look further for the reason we’re leaking goals this season.

[BegbieHSC]

Vela
Middleton
Maxwell
Shaw (Potentially)

All off the books and

Omeonga
Bogdan

Coming in, there’s surely room for another couple of players of a decent quality now.

Mcnulty, two centre mids and a centre half would be ideal.

Still potential Jackson could go and with Slivkas contract up in the summer with him supposedly refusing a new one you never know.

Never knew Slivka doesn’t want to sign a new contract. Would be sad to see him go. Very useful and underrated player.

[GloryGlory]

Read they had recalled him and terminated his contract

https://www.lep.co.uk/sport/football/preston-north-end/pne-news/preston-north-end-cancel-the-contract-of-goalkeeper-chris-maxwell-after-recalling-him-from-hibernian-1-10214813

:agree: Looks like he is on his way to Blackpool, having agreed termination of his contract with PNE. Outcome that suits both Hibs and PNE, as well as the player, I would think.

Good luck to the laddie.

[Hibbyradge]

Bartley only played 654 minutes of league football for us last year so I’m not sure we don’t need look further for the reason we’re leaking goals this season.

How many minutes did Milligan play?

I just checked. Milligan played 28 times for us in the league that season.

I'm not sure how many games Marvin's 654 minutes covered or whether they were all in the league, but it can't have been any less than 8 so we had a defensive midfielder in most of our games.

The lack of anyone protecting the back four this season has cost us badly. That's my opinion of what the stats tell us, of course.

[WillowbraeHibby]

Read they had recalled him and terminated his contract


Same.. Probably off to Blackpool?

[J-C]

Never knew Slivka doesn’t want to sign a new contract. Would be sad to see him go. Very useful and underrated player.

He's a bit part player, looks decent but never really got any better in 2 years here, I'd have thought the contract offer was a fairly lowish one as hes a squad filler.

[JDHibs]

How many minutes did Milligan play?

2493 minutes across 31 appearances

*in all comps. 28 in the league.

[04Sauzee]

2493 minutes across 31 appearances

*in all comps. 28 in the league.

adding all these minutes together equates to roughly 35 games, not sure how many minutes Milligan played at CB though, i'm not sure if this even tells us anything :greengrin

[Begbie79]

Bulk of his appearances are in the Maltese League, not in Estonia. He has won 3 League titles there.

All Estonian league, Flora Tallin.

[JDHibs]

adding all these minutes together equates to roughly 35 games, not sure how many minutes Milligan played at CB though, i'm not sure if this even tells us anything :greengrin

Between 400-500 approx played at CH

[Barman Stanton]

All Estonian league, Flora Tallin.

Yeah other lad pointed that out above. My mistake. Getting my Flora's and Floriana's mixed up! :cool2:

[Lago]

See we have Estonian international Mihkel Ainsalu on trial of anyone’s interested... [emoji16]


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No we would rather dicuss anything but transfer news on this transfer thread. Give it a rest people, discuss injuries , poor play, current fall guy etc etc ect elsewhere. 😩

[Gaffer1875]

When does the window slam shut?


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[MyJo]

2493 minutes across 31 appearances

*in all comps. 28 in the league.

out of 31 games he played in we lost 11.

4 against Aberdeen (one of which was the cup tie that went to penalties)
3 against Celtic
2 against Killie
1 against Rangers
1 against St Johnstone

[MrRobot]

Glad to see Maxwell away, wasnt good enough for us. Wish him all the best in the future though.

[EAZY-ME]

Pity we cant get marv back

[CapitalGreen]

How many minutes did Milligan play?

I just checked. Milligan played 28 times for us in the league that season.

I'm not sure how many games Marvin's 654 minutes covered or whether they were all in the league, but it can't have been any less than 8 so we had a defensive midfielder in most of our games.

The lack of anyone protecting the back four this season has cost us badly. That's my opinion of what the stats tell us, of course.

Milligan started 25 of our 38 league games, coming on as a sub in another 3.

In league games we conceded 1.04 goals per 90 mins when Milligan was on the pitch compared to 1.00 goals per 90 mins when he wasn’t. I’d argue the loss of Milligan and Bartley isn’t the sole reason we are conceding more goals.

[KeithTheHibby]

How many minutes did Milligan play?

I just checked. Milligan played 28 times for us in the league that season.

I'm not sure how many games Marvin's 654 minutes covered or whether they were all in the league, but it can't have been any less than 8 so we had a defensive midfielder in most of our games.

The lack of anyone protecting the back four this season has cost us badly. That's my opinion of what the stats tell us, of course.

**** knows what Hecky was thinking about.

[Steven79]

**** knows what Hecky was thinking about.

He didn't have a clue! Why he was allowed to just blow the budget on so much crap needs questioned.

[KeithTheHibby]

He didn't have a clue! Why he was allowed to just blow the budget on so much crap needs questioned.

I am quite sure there are a few questioning it, Ron Gordon mainly.

For me it's not necessary blowing the budget it was allowing him to spend money on players without having any clue where they would all play. The summer transfer window past shall be one to forget about that's for sure.

[easty]

Never knew Slivka doesn’t want to sign a new contract. Would be sad to see him go. Very useful and underrated player.

Slivka should be fairly easily replaced. Capable of doing well, but showed it rarely.

[Barman Stanton]

He didn't have a clue! Why he was allowed to just blow the budget on so much crap needs questioned.

I think thats a fine line there. You do want your manager to bring in players he wants. But at what point do you say no. You would think that someone that had spent his whole life in those leagues in England would know better that our recruitment team. I think ultimately, Hecky just wasn't very good so we got stung by it.

[Bronson]

Makes very little mistakes, wins most of his aerial duals and his distribution has been very good again. It’s best to watch games and focus on individuals to see how they are playing, in Paul’s case very well for a prolonged period now, other than a few little mistakes that most players at all levels make, none glaring though. Majority of our mistakes have either come from left back or right centre half, but the biggest flaw is not having the holding midfielder.

He was also one of our best players the season we went down and only injury prevented him from probably keeping us in the league. If this is his worst since then, it shows how good he has been in the years previous.

Look I’m not a hanlon hater by any stretch, but to call his recent form terrific is just not true. He has been excellent for us over the last few years, but looks to have regressed a fair bit this season imo. Hopefully he rediscovers the form we know he can play at, but lets not pretend he’s having a good season. Same goes for stevenson, FWIW.

[Hibbyradge]

Milligan started 25 of our 38 league games, coming on as a sub in another 3.

In league games we conceded 1.04 goals per 90 mins when Milligan was on the pitch compared to 1.00 goals per 90 mins when he wasn’t. I’d argue the loss of Milligan and Bartley isn’t the sole reason we are conceding more goals.

I agree, it's not the sole reason. I made my point badly.

Iirc, in most games under Lennon, we played with a DM. That was often Mallan as well as Milligan, and there was a lot of criticism about that on here, but at least the defence had some protection.

I don't believe that our defence has gone from a 39 goals lost unit to 65 just on ability. The set up is wrong.

It wasn't so much letting Milligan and Bartley leave that caused the problems. It was the failure to replace them.

Hopefully Jack Ross has identified this and will remedy it this month.

[Iain G]

I agree, it's not the sole reason. I made my point badly.

Iirc, in most games under Lennon, we played with a DM. That was often Mallan as well as Milligan, and there was a lot of criticism about that on here, but at least the defence had some protection.

I don't believe that our defence has gone from a 39 goals lost unit to 65 just on ability. The set up is wrong.

It wasn't so much letting Milligan and Bartley leave that caused the problems. It was the failure to replace them.

Hopefully Jack Ross has identified this and will remedy it this month.

Moving to 3 at the back earlier in the season would have helped us stabilise the defence and negate the lack of a proper DM, but we never did that and the defence was left exposed.

[California-Hibs]

Glad to see Maxwell away, wasnt good enough for us. Wish him all the best in the future though.

Agreed! He played far too many games for us with Marciano and Bogdan waiting in reserve. Shocking really.

Anyway, glad we have 2 component goalkeepers

[stantonsboots]

Worst since relegation when he was injured and we likely would have stayed up had he been fit. HmmmHanlon has been off the pace since the start of 2019 imho?,thought he was beginning to turn a corner when JR came in, but wasn't great at tannadice GGTTH

[Smartie]

Again, I agree with what you say. Although I still think the defence hasn’t particularly covered itself in glory for large parts of this season, despite the mitigation of what’s in front of them, or rather lack off.

My more general point was that for as long as we’ve had that back 4 (and they have served us well), even when they have had a proper midfield in front of them, they’ve always had a bit of a soft underbelly and dropped far too many points in the last 5 years because of that. If we’re to get to the level of consistently challenging Aberdeen for 3rd some difficult, and probably unpopular, decisions will need to be made during the rebuild.

Have we really lost too many goals and dropped too many points over the past 5 years?

During that time we’ve had a decent crack at the Championship, won the cup, won the championship, finished 4th then 5th in the league. It’s not a bad end product and these players have been regulars throughout that time.

Any number of avoidable goals is too many but I think it is too easy to highlight mistakes made by defenders and go overboard with criticism of them. Giving goals away is an occupational hazard for them.

[Sammy7nil]

Never knew Slivka doesn’t want to sign a new contract. Would be sad to see him go. Very useful and underrated player.

Based on what? He has had over two years to hold down a place in what everyone now thinks is a weak midfield and failed to do so.

[Captain Trips]

He didn't have a clue! Why he was allowed to just blow the budget on so much crap needs questioned.

Because the people in charge thought he was the right choice. I want every manager backed fully we employ its only after the event you will know if mistake.

[sean04]

Dundee fans twitter page thinks mackie is back at hibs

[HoboHarry]

He didn't have a clue! Why he was allowed to just blow the budget on so much crap needs questioned.
Everyone has 20/20 vision after the fact.

[Captain Trips]

Have we really lost too many goals and dropped too many points over the past 5 years?

During that time we’ve had a decent crack at the Championship, won the cup, won the championship, finished 4th then 5th in the league. It’s not a bad end product and these players have been regulars throughout that time.

Any number of avoidable goals is too many but I think it is too easy to highlight mistakes made by defenders and go overboard with criticism of them. Giving goals away is an occupational hazard for them.

It is but with each season they all get older and slower etc etc. I do not question Hanlon prior to this season as been terrific and of course made mistakes in his time. I feel this term him and a few others have been making more than I would be comfortable with in terms of it being an occupational hazard, I would say its been bad position and bad judgement on his and others part at times during the 90.

I know not Hanlon per say but that 3rd Rangers goal at Easter Rd earlier in season was a disgrace and quite typical of the season thus far. All defenders have had quite a poor season unfortunately

[Winston Ingram]

**** knows what Hecky was thinking about.

Just saying this the other day. Absolutely crazy

[Billy Whizz]

Dundee fans twitter page thinks mackie is back at hibs

He’s injured

[GlesgaeHibby]

Dundee fans twitter page thinks mackie is back at hibs

Good if true. We need competition at left back.

[Smartie]

It is but with each season they all get older and slower etc etc. I do not question Hanlon prior to this season as been terrific and of course made mistakes in his time. I feel this term him and a few others have been making more than I would be comfortable with in terms of it being an occupational hazard, I would say its been bad position and bad judgement on his and others part at times during the 90.

I know not Hanlon per say but that 3rd Rangers goal at Easter Rd earlier in season was a disgrace and quite typical of the season thus far. All defenders have had quite a poor season unfortunately

It’s all about opinions and I’m not about to start saying that as a team our defending has been acceptable, but that back 4 have become accustomed to receiving a level of protection that just isn’t there right now. If they continue to toil when we’ve signed a decent DM or come up with a formation that prevents us being doubled up on down the wings then I might agree.

McGregor is the oldest and is the only one who is at an age where you would expect to see a decline. The others are all at an age that should see them at their peak.

[hhibs]

Dundee fans twitter page thinks mackie is back at hibs


If so,good move,I rate the guy ,defensive cover,not as good defensively,yet, as Lewis but certainly has more about him going forward.

Midfield also an option,think his time at Dundee will be very valuable in his development and for Hibs.

[hibbysam]

Look I’m not a hanlon hater by any stretch, but to call his recent form terrific is just not true. He has been excellent for us over the last few years, but looks to have regressed a fair bit this season imo. Hopefully he rediscovers the form we know he can play at, but lets not pretend he’s having a good season. Same goes for stevenson, FWIW.

Depends what your basing your argument on. He still wins majority of his aerial duals, his positional sense in the main is very good, and his tackling is good. His distribution is still very good and he’s the one player in our back line that I would trust to find a long diagonal, or come out from the back with the ball.

Yes he makes mistakes, every single player does, however he is fairly solid in regards to making very few errors and has cut any real howlers that he may have made out of his game.

Over the piece attackers against us are going to have some success due to us having no protection to our back 4, the fact our back line limits their chances says a lot about their abilities.

Someone above just said he was very poor on Sunday, which is laughable really. There’s a reason Dundee United barely got a sniff and that’s without our defence having any protection.

[The 90+2]

Good if true. We need competition at left back.

I can’t see Mackie giving any competition at LB.

[J-C]

I can’t see Mackie giving any competition at LB.

Mcpake said last week he was very happy with Mackie and he got MOM in the recent derby, this loan will be beneficial for his development and if he comes back raring to go, all the better.

[sean04]

Hasn’t he been playing in midfield for Dundee?

[J-C]

Hasn’t he been playing in midfield for Dundee?

LB and LM

[BILLYHIBS]

One instinctive rash hand ball at Ibrox and Hecky threw this young laddie under a bus

Mackie will have benefited from his time at Dundee and will have learned loads

Deserves another chance

Let Jack Ross decide

[J-C]

One instinctive rash hand ball at Ibrox and Hecky threw this young laddie under a bus

Mackie will have benefited from his time at Dundee and will have learned loads

Deserves another chance

Let Jack Ross decide

Yep, wasn't ready for a game like that, understudy to Lewus for a season with a few games thrown in but Hecky blootered his confidence, hopefully regular games has helped.

[The 90+2]

Mcpake said last week he was very happy with Mackie and he got MOM in the recent derby, this loan will be beneficial for his development and if he comes back raring to go, all the better.

I hope so, the games I’ve seen of him on tv he’s looked rotten apart from the last derby.

[truehibernian]

Almost every defence would look vulnerable if it wasn't being protected by its midfield. Our back 4 is exposed time and time again.

The attacking team will eventually get chances, either through good skill and timing, pure luck, a lapse in concentration, or a mistake from a defender.

Last season, after 38 games, we conceded only 39 goals. After 21 games this term, we've already shipped 36. If that rate continues, our goals against column will show 65 in May.

That's Heckingbottom's fault, not Paul Hanlon or Lewis Stevenson's.

If we give the defence some protection by way of a defensive midfielder, that rate will slow dramatically. Of that I have no doubt.

Really good post and objective too HR :aok:

It was so abundantly clear pre-season that the squad balance was wrong and the distinct lack of 'sitters' or holding/defensive midfielders was a huge concern for me and it's played out that way. You only need to look at other sides around us who have defensive midfielders 'as standard' in their starting line ups. And it doesn't need to be someone of great physicality either - what it needs are players with energy, tenacity, and the ability to read the games and attacks. Look at Kamara at The Rangers as a perfect example of a player who does the simple things, tackles, plays the simple pass, but harries and chases and gives opposition players no peace. Ryan Jack to an extent is another. That then allows the likes of Kent and Arfield to get forward and support the front line.

The lack of balance in midfield has haunted Hibs for a while - until we had Stubbs - who understood that. You had a sitting / keep possession midfielder like Dylan, the energy, drive, and dynamism of SJM, and the physicality of Bartley in there. Then you had the creative Allan who could concentrate on his strengths and not have to do every aspect of the game (in midfield).

If you watch the goals we have lost this season in particular, how many times have you seen the midfielders not read the game, lose a man, not close down quickly enough, or allow the opposition to get the ball into the wide areas under no pressure - leaving our full backs with a bigger job on their hands.

Defending is an art but it's not exclusive to the back line - everyone needs to chip in and support the defence. I honestly thought Doidge was a bit of a huddy when I watched him pre-season, but having watched him closely when he plays and is now up to speed of this league, he puts in a power of work up top to limit the opposition having free rein to walk the ball up to the halfway line.

The fact we are putting an ageing Whitty in there - and that's not a slight on SW as he played well on Sunday - says it all. And I'm also concerned that there are no youth team players (in my opinion) who are good enough to seize the chance.

[Brightside]

Hanlon has been off the pace since the start of 2019 imho?,thought he was beginning to turn a corner when JR came in, but wasn't great at tannadice GGTTH

So thats just plain wrong. Its not an opinion anymore its just plain wrong. Hanlon had a good game v Utd despite some people desperately wanting to blame him for a goal. Anyway he's not getting transferred so its not for this thread. Add it to the 27 other anti Hanlon threads over the last few seasons. :greengrin

[Unseen work]

So what striker are we signing now Shaw has left?

Liam Boyce?
Marc McNulty when Boyle inevitably goes to Sunderland?
Who else?

[tonyrougier123]

So what striker are we signing now Shaw has left?

Liam Boyce?
Marc McNulty when Boyle inevitably goes to Sunderland?
Who else?

Boyce! Just a wee feeling hibs will nip in there.

[truehibernian]

So what striker are we signing now Shaw has left?

Liam Boyce?
Marc McNulty when Boyle inevitably goes to Sunderland?
Who else?

I see Salford City are favourites to get Will Grigg on loan from Sunderland - still only late 20's too. He was left out their recent game. Spoke highly of JR at Sunderland. Replaces 'Stokesy' and replace with 'Griggsy' for the terrace chant :greengrin

[The 90+2]

Boyce! Just a wee feeling hibs will nip in there.

I don’t think we could afford him or he wants to come back to play in Scotland. Boyce to Sunderland McNulty here I think.

[Gmack7]

I don’t think we could afford him or he wants to come back to play in Scotland. Boyce to Sunderland McNulty here I think.

worth an enquiry

[Aldo]

I don’t think we could afford him or he wants to come back to play in Scotland. Boyce to Sunderland McNulty here I think.

Maybe to the yams??


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[Since452]

Griffiths starts for Sellik again

[madhatter]

Was McNulty actually that good? I thought he was alright but was invisible in a fair few games.

[Jones28]

Was McNulty actually that good? I thought he was alright but was invisible in a fair few games.

He was very good pre split, after that his most notable moment was missing a penalty against hearts.

[HendoDelivered]

His old man reckons if Marc doesn’t play on Friday then he thinks something could happen next week. Says there are a few English clubs after him as well.

[Walter]

Could we have a rumour please, or at the very least some puns?

[JXM73]

Could we have a rumour please, or at the very least some puns?

Speaking of rumours, you could always go your own way, but don't stop we all have dreams

[SaulGoodman]

Could we have a rumour please, or at the very least some puns?

Why does the Norwegian military put barcodes on the sides of their battleships?

So when they return to port they can Scandinavian.

[The 90+2]

Maybe to the yams??


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Nah. I don’t think he would fancy a relegation battle while trying to make the NI euro squad 👍

[The 90+2]

worth an enquiry

If we could afford him, definitely. That kind of money/convincing to come you would expect him to start every week.

[PH91]

I see Salford City are favourites to get Will Grigg on loan from Sunderland - still only late 20's too. He was left out their recent game. Spoke highly of JR at Sunderland. Replaces 'Stokesy' and replace with 'Griggsy' for the terrace chant :greengrin

Will Griggs on fire is the original chant, sang well before the Hibs Stokesy version.

Get him signed.