Winter 2019-20 transfer thread

[Ozyhibby]

He’s just a player who rejects contracts for financial gain
Did it at Aberdeen and now Bournemouth. Aberdeen will lose a 20% sell on clause if he goes for free in the summer. We’d hate that if a local boy did that to Hibs

You’d have thought players would show some respect to the clubs who’ve looked after him. It’s not as if he’s not had a good package all these years

I disagree Bill. If he’s honoured his contract then he has nothing to apologise for. Plenty player out there who do all they can to avoid honouring contracts and plenty clubs at it as well.
If Bournemouth want him to sign a new deal then they have to put a deal in front of him he can’t refuse.


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[Ozyhibby]

I’d really like us to be going for Nesbit. If we don’t move now he will shortly be out our price range.


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[K-Zazu]

Boyce is a good signing for the yams tbh

[Keyser Sauzee]

I’d really like us to be going for Nesbit. If we don’t move now he will shortly be out our price range.


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He impressed me tonight, looks like he could make the step up to our level which I’m still to be convinced Shankland can.

[PaulSmith]

Boyce is a good signing for the yams tbh

3rd tier of English football standard IMO. Ross County and Burton Albion, he’ll not believe his luck that he’s got £5k+ contract per week for the next 3 years.

[Hibeesmad]

3rd tier of English football standard IMO. Ross County and Burton Albion, he’ll not believe his luck that he’s got £5k+ contract per week for the next 3 years.

Finished top scorer in 16/17 with 23 goals before moving down south. Proved he can score goals in this league, however they have Naismith who is a better player and they are still bottom of the league with 2 wins this season. Maybe he was brought in as they prepare for the championship next season.

[wookie70]

A rate of 1 goal every ~180mins as opposed to 1 goal every 2 appearances.

To me the only fair way to count goals per game is by minutes played. every 90 minutes being a game. Shaw in the premiership is around 2.15 from memory and I don't think many if any were pens.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Remember Mcnulty came to Hibs on the back of a long period of no football. Strikes me as a similar player to Garry O as we will see the best of him when he’s fully fit.

[Hibs4185]

Boyce seems cheaper than McNulty. Would def try for Boyce before he deals with the yams. If not at least it will push his wage up higher and cost old budgey more.

Nisbet. No brainer. Take a punt. See SJM as an example

[DetroitHibs]

I’d really like us to be going for Nesbit. If we don’t move now he will shortly be out our price range.


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Well worth investing £250,000 or whatever it takes.

[Ozyhibby]

Well worth investing £250,000 or whatever it takes.

Absolutely. We need a striker and he is scoring goals. If he can replicate that form at Hibs we will make a lot more than £250k on him.


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[DetroitHibs]

Absolutely. We need a striker and he is scoring goals. If he can replicate that form at Hibs we will make a lot more than £250k on him.


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Mathie should be all over it.

[cmcd]

I suppose he'd ride his scooter along the M8 to sign for Rangers though, eh?

What a Clown you are

[Billy Whizz]

Absolutely. We need a striker and he is scoring goals. If he can replicate that form at Hibs we will make a lot more than £250k on him.


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Have you seen him play in the flesh

[Hiber-nation]

Really ? Admittedly he's been away a while but I'd be seriously underwhelmed if we went back for Matt Kennedy. Horgan is a better player (for comparison) :agree:

I'm no great fan of Horgan but I'd take him over Kennedy. Naismith never gave him a kick up at Perth.

Anyway Nisbet....c'mon Hibs, let's do this. Laddie is quality.

[04Sauzee]

Have you seen him play in the flesh

He played against us in the preseason friendly, can't mind much about him but his stats look not to bad in a pretty poor Dunfermline team.

[Winston Ingram]

Well worth investing £250,000 or whatever it takes.

He’ll likely be their top earner. He’s free in the summer and will be expecting a big wage. They paid Lafferty £8k a week. It’s not unrealistic to expect him to get similar.

It’s apparently a 3 & 1/2 year deal. By my calculations that’s just shy of £1.5m over the duration of the deal before any bonuses.

Add the £250k, it’s suggests to me that this is well out of our price range and is being funded by their benefactors.

[DetroitHibs]

He’ll likely be their top earner. He’s free in the summer and will be expecting a big wage. They paid Lafferty £8k a week.

It’s apparently a 3 & 1/2 year deal. By my calculations that’s just shy of £1.5m over the duration of the deal before any bonuses.

Add the £250k, it’s suggests to me that this is well out of our price range and is being funded by their benefactors.

Was talking about Nisbet from the Pars mate.

[Ozyhibby]

Have you seen him play in the flesh

Nope, which is why I’m a bit more reserved about him than I was about Shankland when he was at Ayr. But you can’t ignore the goals the boy is scoring along with the fact that he is said to be big, aggressive, skilful and most importantly fast. Missing out on Shankland was a mistake, as was not going for Docherty at Hamilton, Kamara at Dundee or Lewis Ferguson when he was at Hamilton. I like us to be the club swooping to get the best young players as they break through. It’s hard to know who will be able to make the step up to first team footy which is why it sometimes happens at less fashionable clubs but we should be ready to move quickly when someone does.


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[Winston Ingram]

Was talking about Nisbet from the Pars mate.

Oops. Sorry

[04Sauzee]

Any idea if the Estonian is still training with us ir has been allowed to leave

[murray26]

Well worth investing £250,000 or whatever it takes.

I agree a gamble worth taking imo..

[Smartie]

What a Clown you are

Ach, lighten up.

FWIW I am a big fan of Kevin Thomson. Just taking the piss out of daft comments that were attributed to him yonks ago.

I know he’s bringing his kids up as Hibs fans and that this will be a very proud day for them.

KT has more than redeemed himself for anything he may have said or not said years ago. In my eyes anyway.

[we are hibs]

https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/1220840249879932928?s=19


The sun seem to think boyce is going to be on 6k a week.

[Stuart93]

https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/1220840249879932928?s=19


The sun seem to think boyce is going to be on 6k a week.

That’s a hefty wage

[MagicSwirlingShip]

That’s a hefty wage

Even heftier after they get relegated.

[jacomo]

Kennedy would have been an ideal signing for us. Boyle here or not


Plenty players have returned for a 2nd stint but only because they did well first time.

I’m sure Kennedy is a better player now but let’s move on.

[The Harp Awakes]

https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/1220840249879932928?s=19


The sun seem to think boyce is going to be on 6k a week.

Hate to say it but I think that's a great signing for them. Probably enough along with Naismith coming back from injury to keep them up:boo hoo:

[mjhibby]

This thread now consists of one set of punters telling us how wonderful Hertz new signing is going to be and another set telling us how they angry they are about a transfer that hasn't even happened.

What a time to be alive.

That baffles me too. Boyce would be a decent signing but not one to get giddy about. Absolutely nothing on the BBC regarding Boyle but folk get into a lather. Very odd behaviour. The odds are stacked against Hertz with their fixtures and even with this fabled pressing game( which they aren't able to do) they are creating very few chances while still looking dodgy at the back especially with perriera in goals. Each to their own but if Hamilton and st Johnstone keep picking up the odd win here and there it might not matter what Hertz do. They are away to st Johnstone and st mirren after the split both of whom they list to and one other away game with two at home. If they are five or six points off safety at the split can you see them escaping.Wouldnt put money on it. What will be will be.

[04Sauzee]

https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/1220840249879932928?s=19


The sun seem to think boyce is going to be on 6k a week.
Over £1m in wages and transfer fee for the 3.5 years he's there for. If true of course

[Andy74]

Nope, which is why I’m a bit more reserved about him than I was about Shankland when he was at Ayr. But you can’t ignore the goals the boy is scoring along with the fact that he is said to be big, aggressive, skilful and most importantly fast. Missing out on Shankland was a mistake, as was not going for Docherty at Hamilton, Kamara at Dundee or Lewis Ferguson when he was at Hamilton. I like us to be the club swooping to get the best young players as they break through. It’s hard to know who will be able to make the step up to first team footy which is why it sometimes happens at less fashionable clubs but we should be ready to move quickly when someone does.


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By the time we’ve noticed them so has everyone else. It’s not that easy to go and get these players, particularly when they are in contract.

Shankland is a funny one though. There’s some reason bigger clubs weren’t going for him when he was free.

[The Harp Awakes]

That baffles me too. Boyce would be a decent signing but not one to get giddy about. Absolutely nothing on the BBC regarding Boyle but folk get into a lather. Very odd behaviour. The odds are stacked against Hertz with their fixtures and even with this fabled pressing game( which they aren't able to do) they are creating very few chances while still looking dodgy at the back especially with perriera in goals. Each to their own but if Hamilton and st Johnstone keep picking up the odd win here and there it might not matter what Hertz do. They are away to st Johnstone and st mirren after the split both of whom they list to and one other away game with two at home. If they are five or six points off safety at the split can you see them escaping.Wouldnt put money on it. What will be will be.

I think Boyce will improve them but the player I'd be going for from Burton is Scott Fraser ex Dundee United. Brilliant left foot and can score goals for fun. Had injury problems at Dundee United but he's been injury free and a stand out for Burton in recent seasons. Please sign him Hibs.

[Jack Hackett]

Over £1m in wages and transfer fee for the 3.5 years he's there for. If true of course

Disnae look like the 'new' (construction started in 2016 :rolleyes:) stand is likely to be getting finished anytime soon then

[Keyser Sauzee]

I think Boyce will improve them but the player I'd be going for from Burton is Scott Fraser ex Dundee United. Brilliant left foot and can score goals for fun. Had injury problems at Dundee United but he's been injury free and a stand out for Burton in recent seasons. Please sign him Hibs.

He’s scored 36 goals in 218 games, even as an attacking midfielder that’s hardly impressive or scores goals for fun. Vastly overrated player, in our last season in the championship people on here wanted us to sign him then, glad we didn’t.

[jacomo]

Ach, lighten up.

FWIW I am a big fan of Kevin Thomson. Just taking the piss out of daft comments that were attributed to him yonks ago.

I know he’s bringing his kids up as Hibs fans and that this will be a very proud day for them.

KT has more than redeemed himself for anything he may have said or not said years ago. In my eyes anyway.


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[K-Zazu]

How many more signings are we going to make?

[Stuart93]

How many more signings are we going to make?

Does anyone know?

[Percy Vere]

How many more signings are we going to make?

Two according to JR tonight.
Front and back.

[MacGruber]

Two according to JR tonight.
Front and back.

Hope not. Two isn't enough IMO

[mcfly]

Two according to JR tonight.
Front and back.

WHAT? No defensive midfielder that we’ve been desperate fir all season.

Crazy recruiting by hibs this year.

[Andy74]

WHAT? No defensive midfielder that we’ve been desperate fir all season.

Crazy recruiting by hibs this year.

It might be where Omeonga fits in. More than one way to play the deeper position.

[BoyledEgg]

By the time we’ve noticed them so has everyone else. It’s not that easy to go and get these players, particularly when they are in contract.

Shankland is a funny one though. There’s some reason bigger clubs weren’t going for him when he was free.

Likes a swally

[Unseen work]

Must admit I have been happy enough with the recruitment team and trust them to get the right personnel in, especially in January with what they’ve done previously.

But I’m getting a bit anxious that we won’t do much more business and they think we have enough to get by. I hope that with Newells excellent performance against Hamilton they don’t now think he’s our saviour and we don’t need a central midfielder.

Imo we’re weaker now than at the start of the month.

Out
Vela
Middleton
Maxwell
Shaw
Sadiki - loan
Stirling - loan
Shanley - loan
Mallan - injured
Porteous - injured
Naismith - injured

In
Omeonga - loan
Bogdan
Gullan - Return from loan
Campbell - Return from loan

Really grim reading when you consider we needed new players in as it was. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Fraser Murray go out on loan.

I just really hope they manage to pull a couple of names out the bag and ones that are quality as we will really need it for a huge second half of the season.

Does anyone know how Ainsalu has got on in his trial and if it’s likely we will get him permanent?

Another centre mid, centre back, striker and winger needed for me.

[Vault Boy]

I think we'll be after three. Versatile defender, physical midfielder and a striker. Whether we manage to get them all is another story of course.

[Dmas]

Must admit I have been happy enough with the recruitment team and trust them to get the right personnel in, especially in January with what they’ve done previously.

But I’m getting a bit anxious that we won’t do much more business and they think we have enough to get by. I hope that with Newells excellent performance against Hamilton they don’t now think he’s our saviour and we don’t need a central midfielder.

Imo we’re weaker now than at the start of the month.

Out
Vela
Middleton
Maxwell
Shaw
Sadiki - loan
Stirling - loan
Shanley - loan
Mallan - injured
Porteous - injured
Naismith - injured

In
Omeonga - loan
Bogdan
Gullan - Return from loan
Campbell - Return from loan

Really grim reading when you consider we needed new players in as it was. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Fraser Murray go out on loan.

I just really hope they manage to pull a couple of names out the bag and ones that are quality as we will really need it for a huge second half of the season.

Does anyone know how Ainsalu has got on in his trial and if it’s likely we will get him permanent?

Another centre mid, centre back, striker and winger needed for me.

I’d prefer we gave gullan the chance for rest of season and probably would have liked us to do the same with sidiki for defence, could have meant more could be spent on a solid midfield option, young,guys get first team experience or maybe some game time could really see where they are and made plans for summer off the back of it sometimes a chance is all the young guys need

[Winston Ingram]

WHAT? No defensive midfielder that we’ve been desperate fir all season.

Crazy recruiting by hibs this year.

It’s mad

[Borderhibbie76]

I’d prefer we gave gullan the chance for rest of season and probably would have liked us to do the same with sidiki for defence, could have meant more could be spent on a solid midfield option, young,guys get first team experience or maybe some game time could really see where they are and made plans for summer off the back of it sometimes a chance is all the young guys need

No way can we go thru till May with 2 senior strikers and an unproven Gullan...that would be madness.
We deffo need a minimum of 3 in this week at least 1 defender a CDM and a striker

[FilipinoHibs]

Hope not. Two isn't enough IMO

Typical delusional response. Are we all toddlers on here?

[Vault Boy]

Typical delusional response. Are we all toddlers on here?

What a disproportionate and undeserved response.

[Greenworld]

By the time we’ve noticed them so has everyone else. It’s not that easy to go and get these players, particularly when they are in contract.

Shankland is a funny one though. There’s some reason bigger clubs weren’t going for him when he was free.And are still not making offers now apart from paper talk. I've no idea what the boy has going on outside of football but the football community certainly seem to know something.

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[rotherhamrob]

Typical delusional response. Are we all toddlers on here?

What's delusional about thinking 2 signings aren't enough?
What's childish about it?
Completely pointless post.

[MacGruber]

Typical delusional response. Are we all toddlers on here?

That's mean. I'm telling my mummy.

[BILLYHIBS]

Ach, lighten up.

FWIW I am a big fan of Kevin Thomson. Just taking the piss out of daft comments that were attributed to him yonks ago.

I know he’s bringing his kids up as Hibs fans and that this will be a very proud day for them.

KT has more than redeemed himself for anything he may have said or not said years ago. In my eyes anyway.

Must admit I was surprised and disappointed in you as well almost choked on my haggis tattles and neeps :greengrin

Kevin Thomson is a HIBS legend but it is his laddie we are talking about here hopefully he will be a chip off the old block

[MacGruber]

Must admit I was surprised and disappointed in you as well almost choked on my haggis and neeps :greengrin

Kevin Thomson is a HIBS legend but it is his laddie we are talking about here hopefully he will be a chip off the old block

It's maybe just me but I read the post of Thomson's lad scooting to Glasgow and had a chuckle. It seemed like a humorous tongue in cheek comment. I read it the opposite way that there was no dig at Thomson and obviously especially not his lad. It was quite the opposite and a dig at people that had brought up the Thomson comments in the past. I think people taking an issue with it missed the point and took it way to literal.

Anyway, welcome aboard Thomson junior

Stick with the Hibees and you won't get cuts on your knees.....

It's a joke people :na na:

(& all the best Kev, always been a good hibby)

[scotiaf]

Over £1m in wages and transfer fee for the 3.5 years he's there for. If true of course


Tbf, not sure we would have been far from that if vela stayed the term

[BILLYHIBS]

It's maybe just me but I read the post of Thomson's lad scooting to Glasgow and had a chuckle. It seemed like a humorous tongue in cheek comment. I read it the opposite way that there was no dig at Thomson and obviously especially not his lad. It was quite the opposite and a dig at people that had brought up the Thomson comments in the past. I think people taking an issue with it missed the point and took it way to literal.

Anyway, welcome aboard Thomson junior

Stick with the Hibees and you won't get cuts on your knees.....

It's a joke people :na na:

(& all the best Kev, always been a good hibby)

Ach lighten up! :greengrin

[MacGruber]

Must admit I have been happy enough with the recruitment team and trust them to get the right personnel in, especially in January with what they’ve done previously.

But I’m getting a bit anxious that we won’t do much more business and they think we have enough to get by. I hope that with Newells excellent performance against Hamilton they don’t now think he’s our saviour and we don’t need a central midfielder.

Imo we’re weaker now than at the start of the month.

Out
Vela
Middleton
Maxwell
Shaw
Sadiki - loan
Stirling - loan
Shanley - loan
Mallan - injured
Porteous - injured
Naismith - injured

In
Omeonga - loan
Bogdan
Gullan - Return from loan
Campbell - Return from loan

Really grim reading when you consider we needed new players in as it was. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Fraser Murray go out on loan.

I just really hope they manage to pull a couple of names out the bag and ones that are quality as we will really need it for a huge second half of the season.

Does anyone know how Ainsalu has got on in his trial and if it’s likely we will get him permanent?

Another centre mid, centre back, striker and winger needed for me.


Looking at it and considering we were light in numbers before hand it's a bit concerning.

Surprised we've let Shaw go without a striker in the building. Ross said that wouldn't happen and there's a chance moves fall through and we get left short.

We need 3 from here minimum. Defender, Defensive midfielder, proven striker.

Here's hoping

[JimBHibees]

Hate to say it but I think that's a great signing for them. Probably enough along with Naismith coming back from injury to keep them up:boo hoo:

Both have had injury issues in the past especially Naismith. Just need to see how it goes think they will definitely stay up as a couple of wins especially in the head to head games will likely save them. If they continue to struggle though and other teams near them start winning the pressure will be on big time.

[MacGruber]

Ach lighten up! :greengrin

:greengrin:aok:

[jeffers]

Tbf, not sure we would have been far from that if vela stayed the term

Absolutely. From what I've heard we are paying some players a lot more than many fans would expect ot even believe.

[J-C]

Absolutely. From what I've heard we are paying some players a lot more than many fans would expect ot even believe.

I said this before, getting players from England won't be cheap, look at the wages being quoted for Boyce and hes coming from League 1.

[we are hibs]

Way i see it is there are 3 things thats maybe happening. Either we identified a defensive minded midfielder months ago and hes so exceptional we are willing to hold out right until the last minute OR we had a midfielder in mind and we havent been able to get him in and we are now scrambling looking for an alternative OR we arent actively looking for one which i think is least likely as it would be bordering on negligence to ignore the one area everyone can see needs improved.

[hibbysam]

I said this before, getting players from England won't be cheap, look at the wages being quoted for Boyce and hes coming from League 1.

That’s not about him coming from league one though, that’s about hearts being absolutely desperate for him so he’s basically got a blank cheque to write whatever amount he wants.

[hibee-boys]

Absolutely. From what I've heard we are paying some players a lot more than many fans would expect ot even believe.

Yip, that's where the Mcginn money has been spent.

[superfurryhibby]

Absolutely. From what I've heard we are paying some players a lot more than many fans would expect ot even believe.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/547202/average-annual-first-team-player-salaray-football-clubs-scottish-premiership/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46358084

From 18-19. This season suggests that the average wage at Hibs is c2000/ week.

[Borderhibbie76]

Way i see it is there are 3 things thats maybe happening. Either we identified a defensive minded midfielder months ago and hes so exceptional we are willing to hold out right until the last minute OR we had a midfielder in mind and we havent been able to get him in and we are now scrambling looking for an alternative OR we arent actively looking for one which i think is least likely as it would be bordering on negligence to ignore the one area everyone can see needs improved.

Slightly concerning me Ross was quoted yesterday as we need 2 in ..a defender and a striker??

Surely we arent going to ignore the Watford Gap in the middle of the park are we??

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Who are the defensive midfielders that we would take from other teams, out with the infirm?

[madhatter]

Slightly concerning me Ross was quoted yesterday as we need 2 in ..a defender and a striker??

Surely we arent going to ignore the Watford Gap in the middle of the park are we??

We have no money. Tiny squad with 2 of them on loan. Baffling. Must be paying big wages to some of the rubbish we've signed.

[MacGruber]

Who are the defensive midfielders that we would take from other teams, out with the infirm?

Marvin Bartley at Livi

... somebody had to....

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

We have no money. Tiny squad with 2 of them on loan. Baffling. Must be paying big wages to some of the rubbish we've signed.

Seeing as we have got rid of a few now, how are the other rubbish big earners on the wage, James? I think Doidge is good, Newall has it in the locker and Jackson too.

[madhatter]

Seeing as we have got rid of a few now, how are the other rubbish big earners on the wage, James? I think Doidge is good, Newall has it in the locker and Jackson too.

We are in the position we are in due to players being ok. If we are paying much more than Motherwell in wages then I expect us to be above them. If we are below them I cannot fathom how the players can be deemed as "good". Don't get me wrong, I think most of what remains will turn out good but the wage outlay doesn't match their impact on the team as of yet. We have 2 senior strikers at the club and one of them has only scored 3 goals or something this season, hardly blistering form yet we seem to be struggling to increase squad size.

[Iain G]

We have no money. Tiny squad with 2 of them on loan. Baffling. Must be paying big wages to some of the rubbish we've signed.

Where is this view that we have no money come from?

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

We are in the position we are in due to players being ok. If we are paying much more than Motherwell in wages then I expect us to be above them. If we are below them I cannot fathom how the players can be deemed as "good". Don't get me wrong, I think most of what remains will turn out good but the wage outlay doesn't match their impact on the team as of yet. We have 2 senior strikers at the club and one of them has only scored 3 goals or something this season, hardly blistering form yet we seem to be struggling to increase squad size.

TBH I think this view is only really relative when there is a gulf in wages, such as the infirm compared to the rest of us.

All other teams are pretty much defined by tactics or whether they have a bit more depth to their squad to accommodate injuries and suspensions. Yes we pay more than Motherwell, Livingston, Killie but we are all capable of fielding decent teams.

Hearts are a good example of paying high wages and Look how they have performed the last couple of seasons.

[Brightside]

Looking at it and considering we were light in numbers before hand it's a bit concerning.

Surprised we've let Shaw go without a striker in the building. Ross said that wouldn't happen and there's a chance moves fall through and we get left short.

We need 3 from here minimum. Defender, Defensive midfielder, proven striker.

Here's hoping

Bar the 3 that are injured the others almost never played for us..... just playing devils advocate.

[Heisenberg]

Ross said: “We are trying to get two in. We need someone at either end of the pitch to help us but they need to be players who will improve us.

“I’d hope we’ll have something done soon because we’ve gone from being quite chunky in numbers to a little bit light.

“We have players identified and are working towards that.

“But they are not done yet and unlikely to be done before the Motherwell game.”

So a striker and defender to come. Looks like it’s Omeonga as our defensive midfielder going forwards, which I think he could suit. Not sure it’s really his natural game though.

[madhatter]

TBH I think this view is only really relative when there is a gulf in wages, such as the infirm compared to the rest of us.

All other teams are pretty much defined by tactics or whether they have a bit more depth to their squad to accommodate injuries and suspensions. Yes we pay more than Motherwell, Livingston, Killie but we are all capable of fielding decent teams.

Hearts are a good example of paying high wages and Look how they have performed the last couple of seasons.

This is where the problem is though, if we pay better wages, don't necessarily sell our best players for much money, don't develop many noteworthy youngsters and can, season to season, go from European spot to relegation when teams that spend much less than us perform better...how do you retain fan numbers and how do you grow the football club?

I suppose I already know the answer - you do not grow the club. Fan numbers will take a hit based on this season alone. A club that gets an extra 6-8k STs (which are also more expensive) should develop a gap between other clubs and be more consistent year on year. We aren't, neither are Hearts as you state.

[Eyrie]

We need a defensive midfielder, even if it's only someone who we could put on for the last 10-15 minutes to protect a lead. That could have been an opportunity to see if Stirling can make it with us, but since he's away then maybe it's Ainsalu on a short term deal until the end of the season.

[EAZY-ME]

Must admit I was surprised and disappointed in you as well almost choked on my haggis tattles and neeps :greengrin

Kevin Thomson is a HIBS legend but it is his laddie we are talking about here hopefully he will be a chip off the old block

Sorry but how the hell is Kevin Thomson a hibs legend?......... he like Scott brown is an ex player he has done nothing to gain legendary status

[Blaster]

Sorry but how the hell is Kevin Thomson a hibs legend?......... he like Scott brown is an ex player he has done nothing to gain legendary status

Scott brown league cup winner with us you mean?

[AlbertK86]

Way i see it is there are 3 things thats maybe happening. Either we identified a defensive minded midfielder months ago and hes so exceptional we are willing to hold out right until the last minute OR we had a midfielder in mind and we havent been able to get him in and we are now scrambling looking for an alternative OR we arent actively looking for one which i think is least likely as it would be bordering on negligence to ignore the one area everyone can see needs improved.

Could be we are waiting for someone like Shinnie ... was mentioned somewhere before ... personal opinion ... it ain’t happening for him as prior to injury had broken into Derby team and cemented his place


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[Heisenberg]

We need a defensive midfielder, even if it's only someone who we could put on for the last 10-15 minutes to protect a lead. That could have been an opportunity to see if Stirling can make it with us, but since he's away then maybe it's Ainsalu on a short term deal until the end of the season.

We’ve needed one since summer but going by what JR has said in the press it’s not a position we are going for in the next week. Hopefully he’s bluffing.

[Smartie]

Where is this view that we have no money come from?

Hibs are sending out mixed signals and you can take from it what you will.

We’re one of the 5 biggest clubs in the country yet we’ve gone through half a season with 2 senior strikers and no defensive midfielders. We seem to be shipping a lot of players out of what was already a thin squad that lacked cover.

Then you’ve got the resigning of Omeonga (who can’t have been cheap), the return of Scott Allan (who won’t have cost buttons) and Hecky making multiple early signings from England last summer, suggesting we have pots of cash.

[RoYO!]

This should be a boom time for hibs and it feels like we are scrabbling around for scraps.

Record ST sales over recent years, debt remodelled then dealt with, back in the prem, selling players and making millions...

And yet the glaring deficiencies aren't being dealt with and the silence is deafening. Not to mention selling off our best young players on the cheap.

Can't say I'm at all impressed with the direction of travel. I am, however hopeful that Jack Ross will be a good fit and do well for us. The fear is that he will have his hands tied by the board.

Where is the money going?

[oneone73]

Sorry but how the hell is Kevin Thomson a hibs legend?......... he like Scott brown is an ex player he has done nothing to gain legendary status

Kevin Thomson, who played a big part in helping us win the Scottish Cup with his performances against Hearts, do you mean?

[Smartie]

Sorry but how the hell is Kevin Thomson a hibs legend?......... he like Scott brown is an ex player he has done nothing to gain legendary status

Made a significant contribution in the derbies on our way to winning the Holy Grail.

Returned to the club several times and even played for nothing.

It’s not that wild a suggestion.

[MacGruber]

Bar the 3 that are injured the others almost never played for us..... just playing devils advocate.

That's true and appreciate the point. On the flip though, we were a couple light before the window before the injuries, lost those 3 first team players (Mallan in and out), Shaw was 1st and only back up striker and Vela, Middleton and Maxwell freed up both space and wage.

Bogdan was at the club before the window - though I appreciate he is direct replacement for Maxwell.

Campbell and Gullan haven't played much either on the incomings

We are a good bit short I think. Here's hoping some incomings over the next week.

[we are hibs]

Ross said: “We are trying to get two in. We need someone at either end of the pitch to help us but they need to be players who will improve us.

“I’d hope we’ll have something done soon because we’ve gone from being quite chunky in numbers to a little bit light.

“We have players identified and are working towards that.

“But they are not done yet and unlikely to be done before the Motherwell game.”

So a striker and defender to come. Looks like it’s Omeonga as our defensive midfielder going forwards, which I think he could suit. Not sure it’s really his natural game though.


Omeonga is too light to really play that role. The 2 things we have lacked in midfield is energy and the willingness to do the dirty side of the game. Omeonga brings energy and he will try and nick the ball off peoples toes but its not his natural game to shield the back 4 when our backs against the wall. Hes more the kind of player you want further up so he can chase and press to force mistakes and win the ball higher up. Massively concerned about the lack of dig and leadership in the middle. The person we bring in doesnt need to play 90/start every game just be there when needed and offer the defence some protection, add some composure and physicality to the midfield.

[Allant1981]

Made a significant contribution in the derbies on our way to winning the Holy Grail.

Returned to the club several times and even played for nothing.

It’s not that wild a suggestion.

Does that really make him a legend? Chris Dagnall also played games in the scottish cup, does that make him a legend? Kevin Thomson was no doubt a good player for us and dont think that can ever be denied but a club legend, for me he is not in that bracket

[Joe6-2]

This should be a boom time for hibs and it feels like we are scrabbling around for scraps.

Record ST sales over recent years, debt remodelled then dealt with, back in the prem, selling players and making millions...

And yet the glaring deficiencies aren't being dealt with and the silence is deafening. Not to mention selling off our best young players on the cheap.

Can't say I'm at all impressed with the direction of travel. I am, however hopeful that Jack Ross will be a good fit and do well for us. The fear is that he will have his hands tied by the board.

Where is the money going?

With you on the lack of information from the board and RG

[Smartie]

Does that really make him a legend? Chris Dagnall also played games in the scottish cup, does that make him a legend? Kevin Thomson was no doubt a good player for us and dont think that can ever be denied but a club legend, for me he is not in that bracket

Anyone who played any football for us during that run has a legitimate claim imo.

Dagnall had a solid game away to Raith. Thomson was IMO outstanding in the 2 games against Hearts. We were in many ways down to the bones and missing big players (who were back for the final) and he was possibly a wee bit over the hill by that point but he dug really deep and gave us everything he had and more when we needed it most - like Gray in the final.

He played a massive part in 2 massive games and if he hadn’t then history might well be very different.

[hibbysam]

Does that really make him a legend? Chris Dagnall also played games in the scottish cup, does that make him a legend? Kevin Thomson was no doubt a good player for us and dont think that can ever be denied but a club legend, for me he is not in that bracket

He made us £2m, he contributed heavily to one of our most exciting sides, came back and played for us for nothing to help us out, he played a huge part in our Scottish cup run, both in turning the first tie around at tynecastle and then running the home game, and then using his experience up in Inverness to lift the side after the league cup loss, he’s still a big hibs fan and is now bringing his youngsters up as both hibs fans and players.

Compare that to your suggestion that Chris Dagnall, who played against Raith in the first game then very little afterwards and you’ll have your answer as to the differences between the two.

To me, KT is a legend and one of my heroes, however can see arguments either way, but don’t insult him by comparing him to Chris Dagnall, no disrespect to the guy.

[Dmas]

He made us £2m, he contributed heavily to one of our most exciting sides, came back and played for us for nothing to help us out, he played a huge part in our Scottish cup run, both in turning the first tie around at tynecastle and then running the home game, and then using his experience up in Inverness to lift the side after the league cup loss, he’s still a big hibs fan and is now bringing his youngsters up as both hibs fans and players.

Compare that to your suggestion that Chris Dagnall, who played against Raith in the first game then very little afterwards and you’ll have your answer as to the differences between the two.

To me, KT is a legend and one of my heroes, however can see arguments either way, but don’t insult him by comparing him to Chris Dagnall, no disrespect to the guy.

He also signed on and didn’t pick up any wages for a number of months.

[Andy74]

Omeonga is too light to really play that role. The 2 things we have lacked in midfield is energy and the willingness to do the dirty side of the game. Omeonga brings energy and he will try and nick the ball off peoples toes but its not his natural game to shield the back 4 when our backs against the wall. Hes more the kind of player you want further up so he can chase and press to force mistakes and win the ball higher up. Massively concerned about the lack of dig and leadership in the middle. The person we bring in doesnt need to play 90/start every game just be there when needed and offer the defence some protection, add some composure and physicality to the midfield.

Makelele was one of the best ever in that role. He was hardly a giant.

You don’t have to be huge to play the deeper role.

[Brightside]

Makelele was one of the best ever in that role. He was hardly a giant.

You don’t have to be huge to play the deeper role.

Correct. Its not a big stopper we need. Pace, energy, determination to win the ball back....and then ability to move it forward quickly.

[hibee-boys]

Does that really make him a legend? Chris Dagnall also played games in the scottish cup, does that make him a legend? Kevin Thomson was no doubt a good player for us and dont think that can ever be denied but a club legend, for me he is not in that bracket

The term legend is thrown about on here far too often, does playing in a Hibs cup winning team qualify them automatically for legend status.....I don't think so. In my opinion this term should be reserved for players/managers, or any hibs staff/supporter, who leaves indelible mark on Hibs history as an individual.

[Allant1981]

He made us £2m, he contributed heavily to one of our most exciting sides, came back and played for us for nothing to help us out, he played a huge part in our Scottish cup run, both in turning the first tie around at tynecastle and then running the home game, and then using his experience up in Inverness to lift the side after the league cup loss, he’s still a big hibs fan and is now bringing his youngsters up as both hibs fans and players.

Compare that to your suggestion that Chris Dagnall, who played against Raith in the first game then very little afterwards and you’ll have your answer as to the differences between the two.

To me, KT is a legend and one of my heroes, however can see arguments either way, but don’t insult him by comparing him to Chris Dagnall, no disrespect to the guy.

I clearly wasnt comparing him to chris dagnall as a player, thought that would have been obvious, I was comparing them both playing in the cup. For me just because he made us some money and played in the run up to the cup does not make him a club legend, very good player of that there is no doubt but not a legend

[hibsbollah]

Makelele was one of the best ever in that role. He was hardly a giant.

You don’t have to be huge to play the deeper role.

Correct, height is irrelevant. Best destructive CDM in world football over the last ten years, Ngolo ****e 5'6". That Ndidi boy that they eventually replaced him with looks almost as good, he's 6 foot.

[hibeerealist]

Does that really make him a legend? Chris Dagnall also played games in the scottish cup, does that make him a legend? Kevin Thomson was no doubt a good player for us and dont think that can ever be denied but a club legend, for me he is not in that bracket

Comparing Dagnall with KT, aye nice one.

[BILLYHIBS]

Sorry but how the hell is Kevin Thomson a hibs legend?......... he like Scott brown is an ex player he has done nothing to gain legendary status
See replies 4084 and 4085

One of the best young players we have ever produced

A young KT would walk into the current side

Headed the ball off the line in that game

Came back and played for us for nought when we were skint such was his love for our club

Has had a stellar career albeit blighted by injury

As others have said part of the golden generation an old head on young shoulders such was his vision awareness and reading of the game

Anyone that saw him play will tell you the same

[JohnM1875]

See replies 4084 and 4085

One of the best young players we have ever produced

A young KT would walk into the current side

Headed the ball off the line in that game

Came back and played for us for nought when we were skint such was his love for our club

Has had a stellar career albeit blighted by injury

As others have said part of the golden generation an old head on young shoulders such was his vision awareness and reading of the game

Anyone that saw him play will tell you the same

Can't argue with any of that. Spot on!

[Smartie]

I think every team need 3 players centrally who can defend. That can either be 3 CH’s or 2 CH’s and a DM.

It’s important for any CH to be big and be able to win headers but the DM needn’t be - they need to be able to read the game and tackle.

We didn’t need a DM when we played 3 at the back and most of our problems have come from playing with 2 CH’s and no recognised DM (although Hallberg has done ok at filling that void).

If you have those solid 3 defensive players then everyone else can be quite attacking and you’re nowhere near as vulnerable.

All imo.

[Allant1981]

Comparing Dagnall with KT, aye nice one.

Did you actually read and understand the post? Clearly not

[04Sauzee]

Mikel Miller looked decent on Wednesday, has looked good in the past against Hibs, looks like he is outnof contract in the summer.

Did Lewis Morgan move to Inter Miami?

[Dmas]

I think every team need 3 players centrally who can defend. That can either be 3 CH’s or 2 CH’s and a DM.

It’s important for any CH to be big and be able to win headers but the DM needn’t be - they need to be able to read the game and tackle.

We didn’t need a DM when we played 3 at the back and most of our problems have come from playing with 2 CH’s and no recognised DM (although Hallberg has done ok at filling that void).

If you have those solid 3 defensive players then everyone else can be quite attacking and you’re nowhere near as vulnerable.

All imo.

When we played 3 at the back we also had Mcginn, he done a lot of the dirtier side of the game to allow mcgeoch and Allan to do their stuff loosing mcginn lost us the equivalent of 2 players we need a guy who can break up the play now to get the balance right

[Smartie]

When we played 3 at the back we also had Mcginn, he done a lot of the dirtier side of the game to allow mcgeoch and Allan to do their stuff loosing mcginn lost us the equivalent of 2 players we need a guy who can break up the play now to get the balance right

If we had 3 centre halves, I think Hallberg and Omeonga would be enough.

If we’re to continue with 4 at the back, we need a defensive midfielder.

[Souter96Mac]

Mikel Miller looked decent on Wednesday, has looked good in the past against Hibs, looks like he is outnof contract in the summer.

Did Lewis Morgan move to Inter Miami?

Correct, Miller is out of contract in summer. I'd definitely take him. Not saying he'd be an adequate replacement for Boyle if he does eventually leave. But he would certainly offer a fair bit up front.

[we are hibs]

Makelele was one of the best ever in that role. He was hardly a giant.

You don’t have to be huge to play the deeper role.

I said nothing about height.

[MrRobot]

Tbf, not sure we would have been far from that if vela stayed the term

how much was he on like?

[Stuart93]

That’s hearts announced sibbick last night and Boyce this morning.

Some one want to poke hibs with a stick and see if they’ll do something?

Every team we’ll be competing with signing, improving and looking beyond this season apart from us

Canny help but feel that it all has the feeling of pre relegation hibs at the club just now. Mid table mediocrity.

[MyJo]

Can't decide if it's funny or concerning that so many people are wailing about us needing a defensive midfielder and JR not seeming to realise this despite the fact we have one on trial with us right now.

Have people forgotten about him or do they genuinely think that Jack Ross doesn't recognise that we need a defensive midfielder and is just handing out trials to players in that position for the fun of it and with no intention of signing that kind of player?

[MWHIBBIES]

That’s hearts announced sibbick last night and Boyce this morning.

Some one want to poke hibs with a stick and see if they’ll do something?

Every team signing, improving and looking beyond this season apart from us

Canny help but feel that it all has the feeling of pre relegation hibs at the club just now. Mid table mediocrity.

Firstly, you'd be daft to worry about anyone Hearts have signed. Been signing gash for years. They're the ones looking like pre relegation Hibs.

We are probably planning for next season, meaning we'll be looking at quality, rather than getting a few bodies in to please .net.

We'll be fine. We signed plenty guys early in summer and that went so great...

[Gordy M]

That’s hearts announced sibbick last night and Boyce this morning.

Some one want to poke hibs with a stick and see if they’ll do something?

Every team we’ll be competing with signing, improving and looking beyond this season apart from us

Canny help but feel that it all has the feeling of pre relegation hibs at the club just now. Mid table mediocrity.
Hearts are bottom of the league.....they have signed what 3 players.......jesus. we have signed two and will sign more before the end of the window.

Who are all these other 3,4 and 5 players that teams have signed?

[Smartie]

Can't decide if it's funny or concerning that so many people are wailing about us needing a defensive midfielder and JR not seeming to realise this despite the fact we have one on trial with us right now.

Have people forgotten about him or do they genuinely think that Jack Ross doesn't recognise that we need a defensive midfielder and is just handing out trials to players in that position for the fun of it and with no intention of signing that kind of player?

Is the player on trial not an attacking midfielder?

[Stuart93]

Firstly, you'd be daft to worry about anyone Hearts have signed. Been signing gash for years. They're the ones looking like pre relegation Hibs.

We are probably planning for next season, meaning we'll be looking at quality, rather than getting a few bodies in to please .net.

We'll be fine. We signed plenty guys early in summer and that went so great...

Think Boyce will be a very good signing for them & on a 3.5 year deal is a good bit of business whilst we’re signing players on short term deals/short term loan deals.

Our midfield has been crying out for a defensive midfielder all season we’re into the last week in January and still don’t have one in the door.

[Speedway]

Boycie confirmed.

[Stuart93]

Hearts are bottom of the league.....they have signed what 3 players.......jesus. we have signed two and will sign more before the end of the window.

Who are all these other 3,4 and 5 players that teams have signed?

A proven striker at this level being one of them.

We’ve signed Omeonga on a six month loan deal and bogdan, who was really already here, on a deal for 6 months

Aberdeen have signed mcgeouch and kennedy two players who’d improve our squad.

Obviously Rangers and Celtic are on a different level but they’re also signing players on deals that last beyond the summer

[MyJo]

Firstly, you'd be daft to worry about anyone Hearts have signed. Been signing gash for years. They're the ones looking like pre relegation Hibs.

We are probably planning for next season, meaning we'll be looking at quality, rather than getting a few bodies in to please .net.

We'll be fine. We signed plenty guys early in summer and that went so great...

In January 2014 our new manager came in and told his squad they weren't good enough and then signed three players from down south on loan.

That worked out well for us and we weren't even bottom of the table at that point. :greengrin

[madhatter]

Can't decide if it's funny or concerning that so many people are wailing about us needing a defensive midfielder and JR not seeming to realise this despite the fact we have one on trial with us right now.

Have people forgotten about him or do they genuinely think that Jack Ross doesn't recognise that we need a defensive midfielder and is just handing out trials to players in that position for the fun of it and with no intention of signing that kind of player?

We've handed out contracts to players we had little to no intention of playing, nevermind trials - just ask Miguel Nelom and Charis Mavrias...

Communication from club exacerbates this issue in the support as the mixed signals is a little crazy. We've got one of the best strikers in Europe for his age that never plays and is sold. We've got money to do work in January but at the same time we need to shift some players on before we do any recruitment.

The more I look back on the communications from the club the more I think it was just talk to calm the support at that time. I honestly suspect these big plans for next season will be utterly underwhelming especially considering how long we have to wait to hear them.

[hfc rd]

Boycie confirmed.


Hope I’m wrong but got a feeling he could be a very good signing for them if they keep him fit. Guy is a proven goalscorer in this league.

[Paisley Hibby]

See replies 4084 and 4085

One of the best young players we have ever produced

A young KT would walk into the current side

Headed the ball off the line in that game

Came back and played for us for nought when we were skint such was his love for our club

Has had a stellar career albeit blighted by injury

As others have said part of the golden generation an old head on young shoulders such was his vision awareness and reading of the game

Anyone that saw him play will tell you the same

I agree with every word of that, well said. The way some of our supporters seem to love to hate boils ma pish.

[mcfly]

Have to wait and see what hibs do in the nextweek and then you can judge progress in the squad etc.

However I do feel that the club take their season ticket holders for granted. Very little incentive to have a season ticket now other than blind loyalty.

No cup top up, no real discount in the shop etc.

Before anyone criticises needing funds etc - why no club sponsor??

It’s so obvious we need a defensive midfielder- why can’t the management and board see that.

Have to say I’m getting a bid fed up of. short term loans, other clubs are improving their squad, just seems we always are at the end of queue.

over to you hibs to lift the fans.

[craigiehibs]

Have to wait and see what hibs do in the nextweek and then you can judge progress in the squad etc.

However I do feel that the club take their season ticket holders for granted. Very little incentive to have a season ticket now other than blind loyalty.

No cup top up, no real discount in the shop etc.

Before anyone criticises needing funds etc - why no club sponsor??

It’s so obvious we need a defensive midfielder- why can’t the management and board see that.

Have to say I’m getting a bid fed up of. short term loans, other clubs are improving their squad, just seems we always are at the end of queue.

over to you hibs to lift the fans.

as posted on another thread...club is taking the piss

[Stuart93]

I think a clear indiciation of our regression is the fact a point today at motherwell is a bonus

[Bobby's Cinema]

Haha a lot of hype around an ex ross county striker with a 1:4 record for Burton Albion. Cant say id be quite as excited as they seem to be over the road, crack on

On our side, today is another last chance to see us in the hunt for europe, and you can't help feel we aren't as prepared as we should be if we were serious about our ambitions this season.

[Allant1981]

I think a clear indiciation of our regression is the fact a point today at motherwell is a bonus

Nonsense

[Crab apple]

We're still paying the price for the recruitment **** up under Heckingbottom and this isn't going to be fully sorted this window. Steph and Bogdan are good additions. I suspect McNulty will return before the end of this window but we're still crying out for that CDM. I think JR will address the reshaping of the defence in the summer.

[Since452]

I think a clear indiciation of our regression is the fact a point today at motherwell is a bonus

Or that Motherwell are flying in 3rd and are a very consistent side

[Stuart93]

Nonsense

What’s nonsense about it?

They’re doing exactly what we should be doing

[Stuart93]

Or that Motherwell are flying in 3rd and are a very consistent side

Which was what we were doing at the end of 2017 and up where they are in the league but aren’t anywhere near it anymore, is that not regression?

[Allant1981]

What’s nonsense about it?

They’re doing exactly what we should be doing

Since when has going to motherwell ever been an easy game? We have hardly ever went there and dominated them so to suggest we are regressing because a point would be be a good result is nonsense

[mentalhibee]

Are we skint? One player in on a loan deal isn’t the best when we’ve been crying out for signings all season, there’s not even been any solid links. I also find it strange we went for Henderson on loan but didn’t attempt to bring mcgeouch back in on a permanent deal. I know they are different types of midfielders but that’s the sort of quality we need. I hope the board aren’t happy to accept another mediocre season.

[Crab apple]

Haha a lot of hype around an ex ross county striker with a 1:4 record for Burton Albion. Cant say id be quite as excited as they seem to be over the road, crack on

On our side, today is another last chance to see us in the hunt for europe, and you can't help feel we aren't as prepared as we should be if we were serious about our ambitions this season.

He is probably better than they've got but he's not going to suddenly turn them into world beaters. Just look at their midfield. I'd be ****ting myself if we had a midfield that included Bozianic, Clare and Irving.

[Smartie]

He is probably better than they've got but he's not going to suddenly turn them into world beaters. Just look at their midfield. I'd be ****ting myself if we had a midfield that included Bozianic, Clare and Irving.

Boyce is a good player but their midfield is still absolutely terrible.

[Joe6-2]

Have to wait and see what hibs do in the nextweek and then you can judge progress in the squad etc.

However I do feel that the club take their season ticket holders for granted. Very little incentive to have a season ticket now other than blind loyalty.

No cup top up, no real discount in the shop etc.

Before anyone criticises needing funds etc - why no club sponsor??

It’s so obvious we need a defensive midfielder- why can’t the management and board see that.

Have to say I’m getting a bid fed up of. short term loans, other clubs are improving their squad, just seems we always are at the end of queue.

over to you hibs to lift the fans.

A half decent rumour would cheer me up right now!
🙄

[Greenworld]

He is probably better than they've got but he's not going to suddenly turn them into world beaters. Just look at their midfield. I'd be ****ting myself if we had a midfield that included Bozianic, Clare and Irving.Irving is a good player

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[MyJo]

Have to wait and see what hibs do in the nextweek and then you can judge progress in the squad etc.

However I do feel that the club take their season ticket holders for granted. Very little incentive to have a season ticket now other than blind loyalty.

No cup top up, no real discount in the shop etc.

Before anyone criticises needing funds etc - why no club sponsor??

It’s so obvious we need a defensive midfielder- why can’t the management and board see that.

Have to say I’m getting a bid fed up of. short term loans, other clubs are improving their squad, just seems we always are at the end of queue.

over to you hibs to lift the fans.

Doidge, Allan, Vela, James & Hallberg were signed on three year deals in the summer.

Newell and Jackson on two year deals.

The only loan we had was Naismith which happened after Gray and James got injured and it was for the full season, not short term.

Bogdan isn't on loan and we don't know the reason for the short term deals he has been given but it seems to suit both parties.

We are now in January and have brought in Omeonga on loan but the way he is talking it seems he wants to make it permanent anyway.

Regardless what you think of any of the players we signed at the start of the season none of them where short-term loans and would have been expected to make up the bulk of the squad long-term.

We are now in January and trying to fix the mistakes made by the previous manager. Maybe try and cut the club some slack and wait until the transfer window is closed before we start condemning them.

[GloryGlory]

Doidge, Allan, Vela, James & Hallberg were signed on three year deals in the summer.

Newell and Jackson on two year deals.

The only loan we had was Naismith which happened after Gray and James got injured and it was for the full season, not short term.

Bogdan isn't on loan and we don't know the reason for the short term deals he has been given but it seems to suit both parties.

We are now in January and have brought in Omeonga on loan but the way he is talking it seems he wants to make it permanent anyway.

Regardless what you think of any of the players we signed at the start of the season none of them where short-term loans and would have been expected to make up the bulk of the squad long-term.

We are now in January and trying to fix the mistakes made by the previous manager. Maybe try and cut the club some slack and wait until the transfer window is closed before we start condemning them.


Didn't we make an offer for a permanent transfer for McCrorie from Rangers, but he went on loan to Livi? Maybe we are looking to the future and getting a younger guy?

[mcfly]

Doidge, Allan, Vela, James & Hallberg were signed on three year deals in the summer.

Newell and Jackson on two year deals.

The only loan we had was Naismith which happened after Gray and James got injured and it was for the full season, not short term.

Bogdan isn't on loan and we don't know the reason for the short term deals he has been given but it seems to suit both parties.

We are now in January and have brought in Omeonga on loan but the way he is talking it seems he wants to make it permanent anyway.

Regardless what you think of any of the players we signed at the start of the season none of them where short-term loans and would have been expected to make up the bulk of the squad long-term.

We are now in January and trying to fix the mistakes made by the previous manager. Maybe try and cut the club some slack and wait until the transfer window is closed before we start condemning them.

Did you not read the first line of my post.?

Fairly obvious you didnt

[Stevie Reid]

Didn't we make an offer for a permanent transfer for McCrorie from Rangers, but he went on loan to Livi? Maybe we are looking to the future and getting a younger guy?

Bogdan is a great age for a goalkeeper, would like to think he would be our primary target. He’s maybe holding out for the chance of one last big contract down south.

[MyJo]

Did you not read the first line of my post.?

Fairly obvious you didnt

I read it but despite saying you can't judge progress you then went on to judge it anyway in the rest of your post and say you were fed up of short-term loans.......which we only have one of this season.

[gegs70]

I was hoping that Fraser Murray would get an opportunity to go out on loan. I suspect unless a decent bid comes in Boyle will still be at hibs until summer. Has players like Ambrose and malumbu do they have clubs now?

[Hibbyradge]

I think a clear indiciation of our regression is the fact a point today at motherwell is a bonus

Or is it an indication of Motherwell having a great season?

[Hibbyradge]

Did you not read the first line of my post.?

Fairly obvious you didnt

The first line of your post was completely negated from the word "However" onwards.

[Andy74]

I said nothing about height.

Okay, you said light.

I don’t know the weight comparison between Omeonga, Makelele and ****e, or what the weight cut off is for being effective in the role. Can you tell me what it is?

[we are hibs]

Okay, you said light.

I don’t know the weight comparison between Omeonga, Makelele and ****e, or what the weight cut off is for being effective in the role. Can you tell me what it is?

I dont know why youre going on about Makelele and ****e when i didnt mention them.


I didnt say there was a cut off for weight either so i dont know what you are talking about there either. I said i think Omeonga is too lightweight to play that role and it would be taking away from him further up the pitch. He went in for a 50/50 a few times the other night and bounced off of the Hamilton players. I think hes better trying to get infront and nick the ball higher up the park. Sitting infront of the defence isnt his natural game and i think trying to put square pegs in round holes (again) would be a mistake. For me in Scottish football to play that role you need to have a bit of presence about you. I never once said a big build tall guy like a Bartley. Just someone who can adaquately handle themselves. The ideal guy is someone who can read the game well to intercept, use the ball well but also able to take one for the team when required. For far too long teams have been allowed to watlz through the middle of our team without us laying a glove on them.

[EAZY-ME]

Scott brown league cup winner with us you mean?

Aye ok I'll give u that:greengrin

[Crab apple]

Irving is a good player

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Lacks pace and is 6ft1 so fits in well at Tincastle. Wouldn't want him at Easter Road.

[madhatter]

Anybody watching this game and thinking we only need 2 signings? We have been 2nd best throughout so far.

We've become a long ball, counter attack team. Going to Motherwell should be a tough away game - not as bad as this though, barely any possession in 45mins.

[Heisenberg]

Can’t believe we need another player for right back which would take us to five on the books. James is brutal.

[HibeeBigFly]

Chick Young just said on open all mics we are watching Kevin Nisbet closely.

[thegaffer12]

We have scouts watching Nisbet at Dunfermline "very closely" according to the radio.

[Springbank]

Stephen o'Donnell is the long term solution.
Sign him and pay him what James & Whittaker combined are on.
That's how you improve as a club.
1 international not 2 stop gaps

[Heisenberg]

Stephen o'Donnell is the long term solution.
Sign him and pay him what James & Whittaker combined are on.
That's how you improve as a club.
1 international not 2 stop gaps

Absolutely this. He’d solve our problems in that position for the next two/three seasons minimum.

[Nicho87]

I’d still prefer Naismith. Seen O’Donnell up close for Scotland and his distribution is poor. Over achieved in a killie team with a good manager, would demand a top wage, I’d rather we got Naismith who I think was coming in to his own.

[Joe6-2]

Absolutely this. He’d solve our problems in that position for the next two/three seasons minimum.

We have to do something, this is bloody awful, and I don’t just mean this game

[HendoDelivered]

Hopefully Tom James is next out the door. There’s a reason he was playing for Yeovil Town IMO. He’s miles off it! Hopefully it’s true about us watching Nisbet, cannot afford to let that one slip like what happened with Shankland - a massive opportunity missed there. Still a few signings short IMO.

[04Sauzee]

We have scouts watching Nisbet at Dunfermline "very closely" according to the radio.

Haven't been listening to the radio? Who's reporting this? Decent if true.

[Real Emerald]

Haven't been listening to the radio? Who's reporting this? Decent if true.

Chick Young

[04Sauzee]

Chick Young just said on open all mics we are watching Kevin Nisbet closely.

Ah chick young, hope hes right for once

[HoboHarry]

Ah chick young, hope hes right for once
By the law of averages he's bound to get something right eventually....

[madhatter]

What are we watching here?!? We make Motherwell look good because we are so poor. Can't string a few passes together. Hibs better show some intent this window as this stinks.

[weecounty hibby]

I'm in hospitality today with folk who know LD apparently she isn't here today. Hopefully she is concluding so me signings.
Waver this may or may not be true

[erin go bragh]

I was hoping that Fraser Murray would get an opportunity to go out on loan. I suspect unless a decent bid comes in Boyle will still be at hibs until summer. Has players like Ambrose and malumbu do they have clubs now?
Malumbu has retired but Ambrose has been training with a club in Nigeria,to keep himself fit but hasn’t signed for anyone yet 🤔 Cmon Hibs .

[HoboHarry]

Malumbu has retired but Ambrose has been training with a club in Nigeria,to keep himself fit but hasn’t signed for anyone yet 🤔 Cmon Hibs .
I keep reading this about Efe but training how often? Once a week? Every day?

[weecounty hibby]

I'm in hospitality today with folk who know LD apparently she isn't here today. Hopefully she is concluding so me signings.
Waver this may or may not be true

Scrub that she is here. Will ask her about any signings things later

[Borderhibbie76]

Scrub that she is here. Will ask her about any signings things later

Get her told mate lol

[Unseen work]

Would be delighted with Kevin Nisbet, the exact type of signing we should be making imo.

Really hope it’s true and we get it done quickly.

[Heisenberg]

Nisbet would be a good punt and maybe not that expensive. Can still see McNulty coming back instead of us signing him.

[jgl07]

Nisbet would be a good punt and maybe not that expensive. Can still see McNulty coming back instead of us singing him.

Is he a baritone or a bass?

[Since452]

Would be delighted with Kevin Nisbet, the exact type of signing we should be making imo.

Really hope it’s true and we get it done quickly.

Yeah I'd be pleased with that. Even offer him back on loan to the Pars for the rest of the season

[Alex Trager]

Yeah I'd be pleased with that. Even offer him back on loan to the Pars for the rest of the season

Na we need someone in the door to start at hibs. Not to send out on loan

[Stuart93]

Yeah I'd be pleased with that. Even offer him back on loan to the Pars for the rest of the season

Makes no sense, we need bodies in now to play for us

[Since452]

Makes no sense, we need bodies in now to play for us

Might be needed in order to get him

[Stuart93]

Might be needed in order to get him

Would probably take it if it’s the only way to get him

[Joe6-2]

Scrub that she is here. Will ask her about any signings things later

They don’t know her that well then!

[BlackSheep]

What’s nonsense about it?

They’re doing exactly what we should be doing

So does that mean regression on our part???!!

It’s incredible how some folk see other teams doing well and all of a sudden it’s cos we are ‘going backwards’.

You first comment was nonsense!

[Heisenberg]

Is he a baritone or a bass?

**** off :greengrin

[weecounty hibby]

Right. Just spoke to Leeann after the game, got pics taken and asked her are we going to sign anyone before the end of the window? She said "yes, yes" and then she had to run off to do other stuff. I am taking that as a definite that we will make more signings

[GGTTH07]

I was hoping that Fraser Murray would get an opportunity to go out on loan. I suspect unless a decent bid comes in Boyle will still be at hibs until summer. Has players like Ambrose and malumbu do they have clubs now?

Fraser is going on loan

[Stuart93]

So does that mean regression on our part???!!

It’s incredible how some folk see other teams doing well and all of a sudden it’s cos we are ‘going backwards’.

You first comment was nonsense!

So as a squad you don’t think we have regressed?

Because we certainly have

[Hibbyradge]

Right. Just spoke to Leeann after the game, got pics taken and asked her are we going to sign anyone before the end of the window? She said "yes, yes" and then she had to run off to do other stuff. I am taking that as a definite that we will make more signings

I'm not sure how you could take it any other way, really.

[cmcd]

Thank God we didn't lose today .Motherwell are 3rd for a reason

[weecounty hibby]

I'm not sure how you could take it any other way, really.
I know what you mean, but the am an eternal optimist and I take it that we are signing a couple of quality players

[Ozyhibby]

I think we now need another right back. Be good if we are in for Nesbitt.


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[Scotty Leither]

Chick Young just said on open all mics we are watching Kevin Nisbet closely.

Aye the laddie looks quick and direct - can we not just do the old-fashioned thing and sign him instead of watching him?

[Onceinawhile]

I can't stand o'donnell.

Don't like him at all.

[Hamish]

Raith are still waiting on an Tribunal appeal after Dunfermline signed Nisbet for nothing.

[brydekirk]

Good young lad at Ross county

[Spike Mandela]

Right. Just spoke to Leeann after the game, got pics taken and asked her are we going to sign anyone before the end of the window? She said "yes, yes" and then she had to run off to do other stuff. I am taking that as a definite that we will make more signings

Gushing fanboy.:cb

[bingo70]

I can't stand o'donnell.

Don't like him at all.

Agreed.

Completely bang average player who’s benefitted from Scotland having a real lack of right backs. No better than Naismith or a fit gray imo

[ahibby]

Nesbit wont hit the ground running spfl us a higher level of fitness he would have some work to do to get up to it. No guarantee he would be able to
Worth a punt though.

[04Sauzee]

Nesbit wont hit the ground running spfl us a higher level of fitness he would have some work to do to get up to it. No guarantee he would be able to
Worth a punt though.

Same league that Shankland is banging them in in and he's been capped by Scotland. Scoring stats nit hugely different this seasoon?

Edit... Nisbet 109 mins per goal vs 77 mins for Shankland in a much better Dundee Utd team.

[weecounty hibby]

Gushing fanboy.:cb

Better than that, when I stopped her to get a pic and a chat she was shouting down the stairs to someone that she wanted Paul's strip. Repeated that a couple of times to someone. When me and Marcus went back into the lounge about five minutes later one of the group we were with presented marcus with Paul Hanlon's strip he had worn that night. Had a great day with the Motherwell fans that had treated me to hospitality and to top it off they knew Leeann and had got a strip for my boy was amazing. Anyhoo, I trust her that we will be signing others soon. Fanboy, definitely after today!!

[Iggy Pope]

Better than that, when I stopped her to get a pic and a chat she was shouting down the stairs to someone that she wanted Paul's strip. Repeated that a couple of times to someone. When me and Marcus went back into the lounge about five minutes later one of the group we were with presented marcus with Paul Hanlon's strip he had worn that night. Had a great day with the Motherwell fans that had treated me to hospitality and to top it off they knew Leeann and had got a strip for my boy was amazing. Anyhoo, I trust her that we will be signing others soon. Fanboy, definitely after today!!

She is usually as good as her word in my experience.

[weecounty hibby]

She is usually as good as her word in my experience.

First time I've met her but the Motherwell fans I was with all knew her. Totally surprised me and my son when they came up with the strip. None of them had a bad word to say about her. That was for m different groups as well. I was taken the the game by one company but bumped into another company who I have worked with that also sponsor Motherwell and knew her. Honestly a great day out spoiled by a **** game.
I trust her to deliver another couple of signings

[SMAXXA]

JR saying hoping to add at least 2 next week

[The 90+2]

I think we now need another right back. Be good if we are in for Nesbitt.


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We 100% need another right back.

[04Sauzee]

JR saying hoping to add at least 2 next week

It's going to be a nervous couple of days then 😁
Wonder how close we are to getting anything over the line.

[The 90+2]

I can't stand o'donnell.

Don't like him at all.

Great player.

[Billy Whizz]

Great player.

Do you think we’re trying to get SO?

[Hibeesmad]

Bring in Efe and that is two positions covered.

[tamig]

Right. Just spoke to Leeann after the game, got pics taken and asked her are we going to sign anyone before the end of the window? She said "yes, yes" and then she had to run off to do other stuff. I am taking that as a definite that we will make more signings

Did you really doubt we wouldn’t be making any more signings in this window?

[Billy Whizz]

Bring in Efe and that is two positions covered.

What 2 positions
He’s not a right back or a centre mid

[matty_f]

First time I've met her but the Motherwell fans I was with all knew her. Totally surprised me and my son when they came up with the strip. None of them had a bad word to say about her. That was for m different groups as well. I was taken the the game by one company but bumped into another company who I have worked with that also sponsor Motherwell and knew her. Honestly a great day out spoiled by a **** game.
I trust her to deliver another couple of signings

You won't get too many Hibs fans with a bad word to say about her other than the few people who can't get over the loyalty points decision and the fact she once upon a time supported Rangers.

Most reasonable Hibs fans will acknowledge she's been very positive for the club, albeit with some areas not being great.

[bingo70]

Great player.

Never in a million years could Stephen O’Donnell ever be described as a great player, regardless of the context.

If he played fives with me and my over weight guys that Cannae run he’d be described as really good. Stephen O’Donnell isn’t a great player in any language.

[weecounty hibby]

Did you really doubt we wouldn’t be making any more signings in this window?
Of course not. I totally believe that we will make at least a couple of signings who will be more than decent

[Onceinawhile]

Bakes a good empire biscuit to be fair to him.

[Billy Whizz]

Never in a million years could Stephen O’Donnell ever be described as a great player, regardless of the context.

If he played fives with me and my over weight guys that Cannae run he’d be described as really good. Stephen O’Donnell isn’t a great player in any language.

He’s a good Premiership player

[tamig]

Better than that, when I stopped her to get a pic and a chat she was shouting down the stairs to someone that she wanted Paul's strip. Repeated that a couple of times to someone. When me and Marcus went back into the lounge about five minutes later one of the group we were with presented marcus with Paul Hanlon's strip he had worn that night. Had a great day with the Motherwell fans that had treated me to hospitality and to top it off they knew Leeann and had got a strip for my boy was amazing. Anyhoo, I trust her that we will be signing others soon. Fanboy, definitely after today!!

You better guard that strip with your life. Underscore will be having it off your laddie’s back.

[BlackSheep]

So as a squad you don’t think we have regressed?

Because we certainly have

That’s wasn’t the point you looked to be making... you stated that due to teams like Motherwell sitting in third place and that being the case a draw away to them during a mediocre period for Hibs being a good point to get was a statement we had regressed...!

[Alex Trager]

Ross saying we want to bring in at least 2 this week and Boyle won’t be getting sold.

[we are hibs]

Ross saying we want to bring in at least 2 this week and Boyle won’t be getting sold.

Clinging onto the "at least" part of that tbh. Think we need another 1 on top of that. A forward, midfielder and defender.

[Alex Trager]

Clinging onto the "at least" part of that tbh. Think we need another 1 on top of that. A forward, midfielder and defender.

Agreed

[Hibeesmad]

What 2 positions
He’s not a right back or a centre mid

He can play centre back and right back

[Eyrie]

He can play centre back and right back

Badly and not very well.

I'd love him back at CH though.

[Col2]

I know it’s not common but can we just admit we screwed up and pay Livi a few quid and get Bartley back?

They are raving about him. What a boost it would be.

[hibbysam]

I clearly wasnt comparing him to chris dagnall as a player, thought that would have been obvious, I was comparing them both playing in the cup. For me just because he made us some money and played in the run up to the cup does not make him a club legend, very good player of that there is no doubt but not a legend

He’s not a legend just for winning the cup though, he’s a cup winning legend. He’s a legend in my eyes for lots of reasons, as stated above. Dagnall done nothing of the sort and had very little impact on us winning the cup, KT had a huge impact on 3 of the games in the run to the final, and I’m sure had a telling impact off the field in the final too, while also contributing massively to the club over the previous decade.

[Hibeesmad]

Badly and not very well.

I'd love him back at CH though.

He'd do a better job there than James that's for sure. With Gray, Whittaker and James I dont think the club will see right back as a must need position. With only Hanlon, McGregor and Jackson available for the majority of the rest of the season I think if we were to look for any defensive player it would be a centre half, which is why I think Efe would be the ideal player to bring in as he can also fit into right back.

[GreenCastle]

Clinging onto the "at least" part of that tbh. Think we need another 1 on top of that. A forward, midfielder and defender.

Agreed - 3 minimum

Can see..

McNulty
Defender (loan)

But we also need a CDM and ideally Nisbet (Loan them Murray).

[Eyrie]

He'd do a better job there than James that's for sure. With Gray, Whittaker and James I dont think the club will see right back as a must need position. With only Hanlon, McGregor and Jackson available for the majority of the rest of the season I think if we were to look for any defensive player it would be a centre half, which is why I think Efe would be the ideal player to bring in as he can also fit into right back.

Apologies - just re-read your previous post and realised you said centre half and not central midfield.

[147lothian]

He’s not a legend just for winning the cup though, he’s a cup winning legend. He’s a legend in my eyes for lots of reasons, as stated above. Dagnall done nothing of the sort and had very little impact on us winning the cup, KT had a huge impact on 3 of the games in the run to the final, and I’m sure had a telling impact off the field in the final too, while also contributing massively to the club over the previous decade.

I tend to agree with the part regarding KT in particular the game at tynie, we were 2 - 0 down and IMO he changed the game for us when he came on and controlled the midfield, if it wasn't for his contribution that day we might never have had our day in the sun

[Del Boy]

Dunfermline pal with good source at club text me this afternoon saying we’re trying to get Nisbet in this month, few teams interested and Dunfermline obviously looking for decent money

[Radium]

I tend to agree with the part regarding KT in particular the game at tynie, we were 2 - 0 down and IMO he changed the game for us when he came on and controlled the midfield, if it wasn't for his contribution that day we might never have had our day in the sun

Remember McGeouch sitting on the pitch and KT coming on. Was cursing him for not tracking Nicholson (not even sure it was his man) but delighted to see him pop up with the header off the line


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[Vault Boy]

Better than that, when I stopped her to get a pic and a chat she was shouting down the stairs to someone that she wanted Paul's strip. Repeated that a couple of times to someone. When me and Marcus went back into the lounge about five minutes later one of the group we were with presented marcus with Paul Hanlon's strip he had worn that night. Had a great day with the Motherwell fans that had treated me to hospitality and to top it off they knew Leeann and had got a strip for my boy was amazing. Anyhoo, I trust her that we will be signing others soon. Fanboy, definitely after today!!

Nice to hear WH, I'm sure your boy will be buzzing with that!

Maybe as buzzing as we'll be with a few more signings.

[Hibeesmad]

Apologies - just re-read your previous post and realised you said centre half and not central midfield.

👍

[Hibeesmad]

Dunfermline pal with good source at club text me this afternoon saying we’re trying to get Nisbet in this month, few teams interested and Dunfermline obviously looking for decent money

Using Gullan and/or Murray on loan could interest them with a bit of cash.

[MWHIBBIES]

Using Gullan and/or Murray on loan could interest them with a bit of cash.

Can't be Gullan. Played for 2 teams.

[MWHIBBIES]

Badly and not very well.

I'd love him back at CH though.

He was the best right back at the club for the majority of his time here. Many top games there.

[Stuart93]

Dunfermline pal with good source at club text me this afternoon saying we’re trying to get Nisbet in this month, few teams interested and Dunfermline obviously looking for decent money

Was his source chic young

[007]

Bakes a good empire biscuit to be fair to him.

:faf:

[The 90+2]

Do you think we’re trying to get SO?

No. I don’t think we will be shopping in that range. Unfortunately. Excuses will be made and we will have plenty of inadequate players that can cover there and then wonder why we find ourselves the third biggest supported club in the league lying sixth in the table skint for some reason.

[ahibby]

No. I don’t think we will be shopping in that range. Unfortunately. Excuses will be made and we will have plenty of inadequate players that can cover there and then wonder why we find ourselves the third biggest supported club in the league lying sixth in the table skint for some reason.

Wont happen

[we are hibs]

How long has Nesbit got left on his deal at Dunfermline?

[04Sauzee]

How long has Nesbit got left on his deal at Dunfermline?

18 months

[hfc rd]

How long has Nesbit got left on his deal at Dunfermline?

Signed for Dunfermline in the summer on a 2 year deal, so summer 2021

[Smartie]

Can't be Gullan. Played for 2 teams.

Had he played for us before today?

If not, strange move playing him if Ross wasn’t 100% sure about keeping him (although I suppose he can still go back to Raith).

[SMAXXA]

We don’t need a right back a centre half aye but right back no for me, Gray, James and whits aye might no all be world beaters but adequate till the end of the season imo

[Ozyhibby]

We don’t need a right back a centre half aye but right back no for me, Gray, James and whits aye might no all be world beaters but adequate till the end of the season imo

James was a lot less than adequate today and Whittaker gets left for dead when he played there.


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[SMAXXA]

James was a lot less than adequate today and Whittaker gets left for dead when he played there.


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Give the guy a break he’s no played for months. Just watched the game back on alba and I think he was adequate. Sign another right back we would be the only team in the league with 5 right backs on our books just madness. Rather see the money spent in other areas

[Leith Green]

Give the guy a break he’s no played for months. Just watched the game back on alba and I think he was adequate. Sign another right back we would be the only team in the league with 5 right backs on our books just madness. Rather see the money spent in other areas

Im sorry but if you rate his first half performance and parts of the second half as adequate then you have very low standards or dont know the game at all. James positioning is terrible, he also allows his man to run him into the box on almost every occasion , inviting constant pressure down his flank. He doesnt seem to know when to tackle or how to show his man down the line before tackling him or blocking the cross .He looks so laid back and miles away from the speed of the game. In possession he has a decent first touch but doesn’t seem to want to move forward very quickly. He would be first out the door if i was jack ross as he is completely rubbish and nowhere near this level.

[Borderhibbie76]

Clinging onto the "at least" part of that tbh. Think we need another 1 on top of that. A forward, midfielder and defender.

Me too as 2 is not enough imho

[angus hibby]

Im sorry but if you rate his first half performance and parts of the second half as adequate then you have very low standards or dont know the game at all. James positioning is terrible, he also allows his man to run him into the box on almost every occasion , inviting constant pressure down his flank. He doesnt seem to know when to tackle or how to show his man down the line before tackling him or blocking the cross .He looks so laid back and miles away from the speed of the game. In possession he has a decent first touch but doesn’t seem to want to move forward very quickly. He would be first out the door if i was jack ross as he is completely rubbish and nowhere near this level.

Would you prefer James to dive into a tackle as soon as his opponent gets the ball, even if it’s 40 yards from our goal?? That would be terrible defending, thankfully you’re not coaching James. Several times yesterday I saw him jockey his man down the line, then ultimately blocking the attempted cross. Yes, he was beaten a couple of times early on, to be expected given his lack of game time. He is far from being “completely rubbish”.

[Springbank]

We don’t need a right back a centre half aye but right back no for me, Gray, James and whits aye might no all be world beaters but adequate till the end of the season imo

Hows about signing the Scotland right back on a pre contract with a view to shipping out the other "torn a new one" set of right backs in the summer?

That would be the Aberdeen model & should be ours too

[FifeHibs]

Would you prefer James to dive into a tackle as soon as his opponent gets the ball, even if it’s 40 yards from our goal?? That would be terrible defending, thankfully you’re not coaching James. Several times yesterday I saw him jockey his man down the line, then ultimately blocking the attempted cross. Yes, he was beaten a couple of times early on, to be expected given his lack of game time. He is far from being “completely rubbish”.

For me James is not at this level, he was part of a defence that was relegated out of league football in England.
the amount of backing off and jockeying his man that led to Motherwell players getting into great crossing positions was very poor play. The centre midfields Omeonga and Newell were back helping him out every occasion. Even when he was jockeying he was too far off the player.
he is 23 not a teenager.
The one time he got forward in the 2nd half there was no urgency to get back into position.

[Brightside]

You better guard that strip with your life. Underscore will be having it off your laddie’s back.

I already have too many

[jeffers]

Would you prefer James to dive into a tackle as soon as his opponent gets the ball, even if it’s 40 yards from our goal?? That would be terrible defending, thankfully you’re not coaching James. Several times yesterday I saw him jockey his man down the line, then ultimately blocking the attempted cross. Yes, he was beaten a couple of times early on, to be expected given his lack of game time. He is far from being “completely rubbish”.

I've seen this type of thing quoted a number of times. You can tackle without diving in, but my constantly backing off you invite pressure as well as allowing the player an easy pass to a team mate. While he may not have played for a while it's his style. Not only that but he doesn't look particularly fast and I can't remember him ever getting to the bye line and putting in a cross. He's neat and tidy on the ball and may be better further forward but he's a very poor replacement for David Gray.

[Crab apple]

Is Graeme Shinnie a possibility on loan or is he still injured?

[04Sauzee]

Is Graeme Shinnie a possibility on loan or is he still injured?

Without checking i beleive he's still injured, he'd got himself back in the Derby team and playing quite well by all accounts. Don't think he will be going anywhere this January

[HendoDelivered]

Is Graeme Shinnie a possibility on loan or is he still injured?

He’d be a tremendous signing. Would give us some steel and drive like SJM did.

[Heisenberg]

Is Graeme Shinnie a possibility on loan or is he still injured?

Was on the bench for Derby yesterday.