Brexit - What Now.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Not quite but they have a story on how one likes jazz, one is a francophile and the other ruled in favour of Europe once.

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What a hateful, bigoted rag that thing is.

[Colr]

I don’t remember this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ytoSJadmlIg

[Jack Hackett]

I don’t remember this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ytoSJadmlIg

Neither do I. Tbf though, most of the late 80's is a blur :greengrin

[Glory Lurker]

I find it funny that the media is "Scottish court" this, "Scottish court" that. The High Court was just "High Court" making a "court decision".

[Glory Lurker]

It's not certain to be overturned but the High Court were pretty clear in dismissing the Gina Miller case last week by stating that this was not a matter for the courts, so the Supreme Court will take that into consideration along with the fact the the Court of Session in Scotland initially dismissed the parliamentarians' case before their successful appeal.


Thanks, GBY. :aok:

[RyeSloan]

It’s a funny old world.

As we have Brexit meltdown in the UK and Yellow fever we have the ECB doubling down on mega QE, pushing ‘interest’ rates even further into negative territory and promising bond purchases for another decade, all in the vain hope that it will revive moribund euro area growth.

Draghi is surely no Einstein but he certainly seems to resemble one of his most famous quotes...

[Moulin Yarns]

Tune in to the Thatcher Seance. What will you ask her? https://t.co/WaXE8Uzx8y

[Moulin Yarns]

The Scottish Court of Session has a special jurisdiction – its "nobile officium" – which it can use to send a letter that the prime minister refuses to send, i.e. the Scottish court can legally send an A50 extension request to the EU if Johnson won't.
Buy shares in popcorn. 🍿

[Moulin Yarns]

Breaking: Court of Session in Edinburgh appoints Johanna Cherry as Prime Minister and removes all voting rights in England under Scots law principles of "fanniums nomare votum" and "yerdas sellum avonium".

[jonty]

These people say we must leave the EU so 'not to be ruled by foreign courts', but are outraged when UK courts make a ruling. No doubt The Daily Mail has called the judges 'enemies of the people'.

It’s almost like you can see the future

https://twitter.com/justicesummary/status/1171890566021484545?s=21

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Doh just realised that’s an old daily mail front page.

[Hibbyradge]

It’s almost like you can see the future

https://twitter.com/justicesummary/status/1171890566021484545?s=21

(Damn iPad won’t let me upload)

Doh just realised that’s an old daily mail front page.

Good post 👌🤪

[Fife-Hibee]

We're heading for what will quite clearly be hard dictatorial times.

Yet, i'm supposed to believe that a majority of people in Scotland still don't want to break free from this in place of national soverignty?

I'm calling bull.

[Colr]

It’s almost like you can see the future

https://twitter.com/justicesummary/status/1171890566021484545?s=21

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Doh just realised that’s an old daily mail front page.

Anyone else watching the BBC series about how the Nazis took over?

[Hibrandenburg]

Anyone else watching the BBC series about how the Nazis took over?

Not been watching this but having read up a bit on German history, I take it you're referring to the parallels with today and the 1933 ermächtigungsgesetz.

[Cataplana]

Anyone else watching the BBC series about how the Nazis took over?

Yes, I think that this chaos has been in the planning for years.

[Kato]

Anyone else watching the BBC series about how the Nazis took over?

https://twitter.com/eberlmat/status/1171550941872451584

[Moulin Yarns]

James Cook of the BBC has had an in depth look at the Court of Session ruling.

Makes things clearer IMHO

https://twitter.com/BBCJamesCook/status/1172252249667592193

[Moulin Yarns]

3 years of this bull**** and for what? Blue passports that are produced by a French company and printed in Poland that cannot be imported to the UK because a no deal Brexit means that no trade agreement will be in place to allow the blue passports to enter the UK. https://t.co/nkpVWA07ai

[SHODAN]

3 years of this bull**** and for what? Blue passports that are produced by a French company and printed in Poland that cannot be imported to the UK because a no deal Brexit means that no trade agreement will be in place to allow the blue passports to enter the UK. https://t.co/nkpVWA07ai

90% of the people who voted for it don't care mate. Means to an end.

[JeMeSouviens]

Anyone else watching the BBC series about how the Nazis took over?

Yes :agree:

The most chilling parallel to today for me has been how much of the German establishment and centre-right tried to use Hitler and the Nazis thinking they would fall by the wayside when given some power or they could shrug them off later. Install Johnson and Cummings and make a pact with the Brexit party at your (actually all of our) peril!

[lapsedhibee]

James Cook of the BBC has had an in depth look at the Court of Session ruling.

Makes things clearer IMHO

https://twitter.com/BBCJamesCook/status/1172252249667592193That's interesting.
Notice that Johnson, like his hero across the pond, has been misrepresenting the earlier legal verdicts as somehow clearing him. It'll be soooo good, even if the SC does find that they can't find, if some phrase like 'glib and shameless' comes out of the process.

[JeMeSouviens]

It may not be long until we need a "Welsh independence" thread. :greengrin

Yougov poll finds support for Welsh indy at 31% (ex-DKs), rising to 41% in a post-Brexit Wales-in-EU scenario.

[Bristolhibby]

It may not be long until we need a "Welsh independence" thread. :greengrin

Yougov poll finds support for Welsh indy at 31% (ex-DKs), rising to 41% in a post-Brexit Wales-in-EU scenario.

Would be funny if they go before us.

It’s all screaming a breakup of the United Kingdom. 3 independent Countries of Great Britain and a United Ireland. (Hell, I’m sure in that scenario the Manx will go).

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[mjhibby]

What a hateful, bigoted rag that thing is.

Not only hateful but full of rage that they cant get their own way just as they always expect to do. The article about jo johnson resigning was unbelievable. He did it out of spite as he is jealous of his brother and timed it to be of maximum harm to his buffoon of a brother. Absolutely no evidence of this of course and his remain views are well known. The fact that his sister totally opposses him of course conveniently forgotten. aThe downright lies they are printing as they see their beloved tory party tear itself apart.Amanda platell even calling the rebels spineless when they knew they would lose the whip if they did when it would have been spineless to vote for something your totally opposed to. Only the times of the right wing press seems to be reporting anything close to the truth although the telegraph has let barnier and heseltine have his say. Once brexit is finally sorted one way ir another the right wing press are going to seriously lose circulation when folk see the reality of the garbage they are printing.

[Fife-Hibee]

Not only hateful but full of rage that they cant get their own way just as they always expect to do. The article about jo johnson resigning was unbelievable. He did it out of spite as he is jealous of his brother and timed it to be of maximum harm to his buffoon of a brother. Absolutely no evidence of this of course and his remain views are well known. The fact that his sister totally opposses him of course conveniently forgotten. aThe downright lies they are printing as they see their beloved tory party tear itself apart.Amanda platell even calling the rebels spineless when they knew they would lose the whip if they did when it would have been spineless to vote for something your totally opposed to. Only the times of the right wing press seems to be reporting anything close to the truth although the telegraph has let barnier and heseltine have his say. Once brexit is finally sorted one way ir another the right wing press are going to seriously lose circulation when folk see the reality of the garbage they are printing.

They've been printing garbage as far back as the 30's. I wouldn't be holding out much hope of a sudden revelation where people just now realize they've been reading garbage all of this time.

[Kato]

Not only hateful but full of rage that they cant get their own way just as they always expect to do. The article about jo johnson resigning was unbelievable. He did it out of spite as he is jealous of his brother and timed it to be of maximum harm to his buffoon of a brother. Absolutely no evidence of this of course and his remain views are well known. The fact that his sister totally opposses him of course conveniently forgotten. aThe downright lies they are printing as they see their beloved tory party tear itself apart.Amanda platell even calling the rebels spineless when they knew they would lose the whip if they did when it would have been spineless to vote for something your totally opposed to. Only the times of the right wing press seems to be reporting anything close to the truth although the telegraph has let barnier and heseltine have his say. Once brexit is finally sorted one way ir another the right wing press are going to seriously lose circulation when folk see the reality of the garbage they are printing.

The "rage" and "fury" is an act to enrage and make furious their readers. Cold, calculated propaganda.

[mjhibby]

Yes, I think that this chaos has been in the planning for years.

It has an eerily similar feeling. Right wing extremists persuading left wing working class to vote for a nationalist cause. Fortunately we havent had the civil unrest to demand brexit............yet. Thankfully the country is split down the middle.

[southsider]

The "rage" and "fury" is an act to enrage and make furious their readers. Cold, calculated propaganda.

So the case in the Supreme Court will be heard under English Law ? Then our laws play 2nd fiddle. We have been told we were equal in this ‘union’.

[southsider]

The suspension of Parliament is now illegal. Can Scots MP’s not go to HoC and vote down Brexit ?

[Cataplana]

It has an eerily similar feeling. Right wing extremists persuading left wing working class to vote for a nationalist cause. Fortunately we havent had the civil unrest to demand brexit............yet. Thankfully the country is split down the middle.

The civil unrest is coming.I think anyway.

Everything else seems to be falling into place.

[Hibrandenburg]

The civil unrest is coming.I think anyway.

Everything else seems to be falling into place.

:agree: Moderates on both sides are dwindling and with them any chance of compromise. I was laughed at on here for suggesting it back in September 2014 when I said that that was Scotland's last chance to leave a UK lurching rapidly to the right without civil unrest and bloodshed. I've seen nothing to the contrary to make me think otherwise, if anything my misgivings have been substantiated.

[Cataplana]

:agree: Moderates on both sides are dwindling and with them any chance of compromise. I was laughed at on here for suggesting it back in September 2014 when I said that that was Scotland's last chance to leave a UK lurching rapidly to the right without civil unrest and bloodshed. I've seen nothing to the contrary to make me think otherwise, if anything my misgivings have been substantiated.

I'm afraid if it looks like a dog, and barks like a dog...

[Pretty Boy]

Cameron speaks:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49690618

Dickhead.

[Glory Lurker]

Can't bring myself to even look at headlines about Cameron's "intervention". He should have owned his mess, the weapons-grade cretin.

[heretoday]

Cameron should have been far more involved publicly in the last couple of years considering he's largely responsible for this mess.

His appearance - albeit to boost sales of his book - is welcome, however, if he can land a few kicks on Johnson and the Brexit mob.

[Cataplana]

Cameron should have been far more involved publicly in the last couple of years considering he's largely responsible for this mess.

His appearance - albeit to boost sales of his book - is welcome, however, if he can land a few kicks on Johnson and the Brexit mob.

I think it will just bring more attention to what a lazy, sloppy job he did in the first place.

It's obvious now that the negotiations should have begun before the referendum. There was no details of the practicalities put to the people.

That said, how anybody could vote leave when no plan was in place is beyond me. I would say that my main reason for voting remain was that the case for leaving did not have any substance, other than emotional appeals.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

My step dads convinced Bojo's got it sorted. Went on to tell me that no-one wants the union. Spanish, Germans, French all want out. Finished with "you'll see, they'll leave in droves".

This is a guy when asked by his grandson for a photo of him when he was in the RAF for a project gave him a picture of him escorting prisoners from a helicopter in Aden. My son was six at the time!!😂

[Hibernia&Alba]

Can't bring myself to even look at headlines about Cameron's "intervention". He should have owned his mess, the weapons-grade cretin.

Public school, hereditary millionaire hubris. He was accustomed to having everything his own way and called the EU referendum to stop the Tories losing votes to UKIP and to undermine the hardline Euro-skeptics in his own party It was party politics that motivated him. His arrogance was misplaced, and he will always be remembered as the prime minister who lost referendum. He may also be remembered the as the prime minister who facilitated the break up of the UK,and I don't think he went into politics as a Conservative & Unionist for that reason!

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/westminster/1841548/boris-johnson-risks-sacrificing-the-union-on-the-alter-of-english-nationalism-lib-dems-warn/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Lib Dems working with the Tories? Not a good look.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/westminster/1841548/boris-johnson-risks-sacrificing-the-union-on-the-alter-of-english-nationalism-lib-dems-warn/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Lib Dems working with the Tories? Not a good look.


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That could never happen now, with the Tories being a hardline Brexit party, whilst the Lib Dems want to revoke Article Fifty. No common ground at all.

[Fife-Hibee]

That could never happen now, with the Tories being a hardline Brexit party, whilst the Lib Dems want to revoke Article Fifty. No common ground at all.

:faf:

[Moulin Yarns]

In the courier today.


https://twitter.com/tradasro/status/1172435680758132739?s=09

[cabbageandribs1875]

he will need to plot from his cell :agree:


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[Callum_62]

That could never happen now, with the Tories being a hardline Brexit party, whilst the Lib Dems want to revoke Article Fifty. No common ground at all.


:faf:

Lib Dems election message clear and on point

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49698800

[Fife-Hibee]

Lib Dems election message clear and on point

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49698800

That's interesting. Because here in Scotland they're in talks with the tories over how they're going to prevent an SNP surge at the next general election. Will be interesting to see how they sell the "vote conservative" message to their 'pro-remain' followers.

The key word here is also "consider". As long as they're "considering" the option, they're not fully commited to it.

[Ozyhibby]

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Tories heading for a big majority now. No deal brexit coming sooner or later.


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[Colr]

Another defection to the Lib Dems today.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Tories heading for a big majority now. No deal brexit coming sooner or later.


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Also today, ComRes has a 1 point Tory lead. :dunno:

[Mon Dieu4]

Also today, ComRes has a 1 point Tory lead. :dunno:

Tories would romp it in a GE imo, their vote is solid leave, the other parties split remain and Labour are a complete shambles, as for the Lib Dems if you see Swinsons voting record she's voted with the tories more than the majority of Tories have

It's time to go it alone

[Fife-Hibee]

Tories would romp it in a GE imo, their vote is solid leave, the other parties split remain and Labour are a complete shambles, as for the Lib Dems if you see Swinsons voting record she's voted with the tories more than the majority of Tories have

It's time to go it alone

:agree:

Although, not alone. It'll be England going it alone.

[CloudSquall]

Lib Dems election message clear and on point

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49698800

Cancelling Brexit without a referendum, imagine the reaction of Leave voters, it would be pandemonium..

[Callum_62]

Cancelling Brexit without a referendum, imagine the reaction of Leave voters, it would be pandemonium..Agree, certainly amongst an element of them

Imagine though, no deal analysis is correct...

If given the straight choice, I know what I'd be voting for

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[Colr]

Cancelling Brexit without a referendum, imagine the reaction of Leave voters, it would be pandemonium..

I expect that we will be leaving next month so the focus will then change to them being the party to promote rejoining the EU.

[Future17]

Cameron's autobiography claims Johnson only backed "Leave" in order to further his own political career.

What a revelation. The books will be flying off the shelf. :rolleyes:

[Northernhibee]

Survation is the poll that will tell a better story IMO.

If Boris doesn’t succeed in leaving the Eu by the end of next month the Tory vote will split in half.

If Jo Swinson doesn’t **** things up for everyone a remain alliance forms, the SNP join it on the condition of a second referendum and we go from there.

[Mon Dieu4]

Survation is the poll that will tell a better story IMO.

If Boris doesn’t succeed in leaving the Eu by the end of next month the Tory vote will split in half.

If Jo Swinson doesn’t **** things up for everyone a remain alliance forms, the SNP join it on the condition of a second referendum and we go from there.

I don't think the Tory vote will split, they will likely double down on it was the other parties fault for ignoring democracy etc etc

[Moulin Yarns]

Lib Dems new policy is to revoke Article 50 if in government - an option that exists only because of cross-party legal action in Europe by @joannaccherry, @andywightman plus other SNP, Scottish Green & Labour politicians - from which the Lib Dems bravely absented themselves

[Moulin Yarns]

NEW POLL FROM OPINIUM PUTS THE SNP ON 55 SEATS

New poll from Opinium puts the SNP on 55 seats in the next general elections with all Tory and Labour MPs being wiped off the map. 0 for any of them. Just seats for the SNP and Lib Dems. The SNP would gain all their seats back bar 1 https://t.co/09fDnLsv8f

[Hibernia&Alba]

I expect that we will be leaving next month so the focus will then change to them being the party to promote rejoining the EU.

I think you're right. It's a tactical decision to attract as many Remain voters as possible, as they are aware of Labour's own internal divisions and muddled message. If we have left the EU by the time of the next general election, the Lib Dems central policy will be to re-join, whether with or without another referendum. If we are still in after Halloween and when the next general election takes place, the Lib Dems will be constantly accused in the campaign by the Tories and right wing media (perhaps others too) of ignoring democracy by pledging to scrap Article Fifty without a referendum. That will be a difficult question for them to answer. They are going full tilt for the Remain vote, knowing they will provoke the fury of Leavers.

[McD]

That's interesting. Because here in Scotland they're in talks with the tories over how they're going to prevent an SNP surge at the next general election. Will be interesting to see how they sell the "vote conservative" message to their 'pro-remain' followers.

The key word here is also "consider". As long as they're "considering" the option, they're not fully commited to it.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49706643

not considering, pledged to do so

[Moulin Yarns]

Let me get this right - the LibDems say that if they win a majority of seats that’ll be a mandate to cancel #Brexit without a referendum? But when @theSNP gets a majority of seats that’s not a mandate for independence with or without a referendum? So only LibDem mandates count?

[ballengeich]

Let me get this right - the LibDems say that if they win a majority of seats that’ll be a mandate to cancel #Brexit without a referendum? But when @theSNP gets a majority of seats that’s not a mandate for independence with or without a referendum? So only LibDem mandates count?

The crucial difference is that the LibDems know they won't get a majority.

[Moulin Yarns]

The crucial difference is that the LibDems know they won't get a majority.

So true, even with all the defectors. 😁

[Bangkok Hibby]

The crucial difference is that the LibDems know they won't get a majority.

Yes, back to the days of being able to say what they want knowing full well they won't get power. Unless of course a power share when it all goes out the window.

[Bostonhibby]

he will need to plot from his cell :agree:


22518Plod Glasgow finally catch the goader from the Scottish Cup Final 2016.

Hibby, or West of Scotland FC supporter?

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[Moulin Yarns]

Plod Glasgow finally catch the goader from the Scottish Cup Final 2016.

Hibby, or West of Scotland FC supporter?

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You need to ask? 🤔😉

[Bostonhibby]

You need to ask? [emoji848][emoji6]Bad man who tells lies, How are the meejah going to spin it?[emoji16]

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[Fife-Hibee]

Yes, back to the days of being able to say what they want knowing full well they won't get power. Unless of course a power share when it all goes out the window.

Yep. It's incredible how so many still can't see them for what they are. Complete charlatans.

[Ozyhibby]

Yep. It's incredible how so many still can't see them for what they are. Complete charlatans.

Their offer to revoke will swing a lot of votes their way. It’s smart politics.


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[Fife-Hibee]

Their offer to revoke will swing a lot of votes their way. It’s smart politics.


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I don't doubt that it's smart politics. They're simply playing to the gallery. But as Bangkok Hibby said. It will all go flying out of the window, should the tories come knocking for their support.

Wiser people wouldn't trust them. But that's just my opinion of course.

[Colr]

I don't doubt that it's smart politics. They're simply playing to the gallery. But as Bangkok Hibby said. It will all go flying out of the window, should the tories come knocking for their support.

Wiser people wouldn't trust them. But that's just my opinion of course.

Hardly!! It is appealing to people who want to stay in Europe. I doubt we will do but afterwards they will be the party for people who wish to rejoin the EU.

[Fife-Hibee]

Hardly!! It is appealing to people who want to stay in Europe. I doubt we will do but afterwards they will be the party for people who wish to rejoin the EU.

Knowing full well that as long as there is a near enough 50/50 split over brexit, they're unlikely to ever form a majority government and be in a position where they actually have to reverse brexit.

They only need enough people to believe that they're pro-remain to increase their vote share and number of seats. It's all about getting just the right numbers to force the conservatives into entering some form of coalition/deal with them. But not so many that they're in a position where they actually could re-enter the UK into the EU.

[Smartie]

They've seen the 2 main parties in the country splinter over Brexit and struggle for a consistent message.

Their message couldn't be clearer, it's unlikely to cost them voters. The interesting thing will be how many voters it gains them.

[Fife-Hibee]

They've seen the 2 main parties in the country splinter over Brexit and struggle for a consistent message.

Their message couldn't be clearer, it's unlikely to cost them voters. The interesting thing will be how many voters it gains them.

Well the message was certainly clear from Jo Swinson on the Andrew Marr show this morning. The Lib Dems refuse to rule out a future coalition with the Tories after the next general election, despite already ruling one out with Labour.

Why on earth would a party that is 'truly' pro-remain not rule out a coalition with the party that brought us this mess?

They're stringing so many people along. It would be almost funny if it wasn't so serious.

[Ozyhibby]

She also won’t forgive Cameron for holding the referendum.
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[Mibbes Aye]

Well the message was certainly clear from Jo Swinson on the Andrew Marr show this morning. The Lib Dems refuse to rule out a future coalition with the Tories after the next general election, despite already ruling one out with Labour.

Why on earth would a party that is 'truly' pro-remain not rule out a coalition with the party that brought us this mess?

They're stringing so many people along. It would be almost funny if it wasn't so serious.

I think you have been accused of lying before and not refuted it. I think you are doing so again.

Swinson has not ruled out a coalition with Labour, she has ruled out a coalition with Labour while led by Corbyn.

That’s perfectly understandable given Corbyn’s cravenness on Brexit. Happy to obfuscate and hope that Johnson finds some sort of deal, to satisfy Corbyn’s seventies schtick about the EEC being a capitalist plot. And all this despite more Labour Party members supporting Remain than voted for him.

[Fife-Hibee]

I think you have been accused of lying before and not refuted it. I think you are doing so again.

Swinson has not ruled out a coalition with Labour, she has ruled out a coalition with Labour while led by Corbyn.

That’s perfectly understandable given Corbyn’s cravenness on Brexit. Happy to obfuscate and hope that Johnson finds some sort of deal, to satisfy Corbyn’s seventies schtick about the EEC being a capitalist plot. And all this despite more Labour Party members supporting Remain than voted for him.

Ah I see. It makes perfect sense does it. Ruling out a pact with a Corbyn led Labour, but not a tory party that brought us this mess with a now current leader doing his very best to avoid any sort of deal with the EU. :tee hee:

[Fife-Hibee]

Fact of the matter is. Jo Swinsons Liberal Democrats are refusing to rule out a coalition with the UKs largest brexit party while openly ruling out the only alternative.

People in Scotland who support remaining in the EU, but not the SNP/Greens/Independence....etc are completely side stepping this huge elephant in the room, as it's just too inconvenient for them to acknowledge.

[Mibbes Aye]

Ah I see. It makes perfect sense does it. Ruling out a pact with a Corbyn led Labour, but not a tory party that brought us this mess with a now current leader doing his very best to avoid any sort of deal with the EU. :tee hee:

So you were lying when you said Swinson was ruling out a coalition with Labour, or maybe just very, very mistaken and then trying to persuade others of your mistake.

Because she didn’t rule out working with Labour did she? She ruled out working with Jeremy Corbyn (and perhaps also Boris Johnson I believe).

[Fife-Hibee]

So you were lying when you said Swinson was ruling out a coalition with Labour, or maybe just very, very mistaken and then trying to persuade others of your mistake.

Because she didn’t rule out working with Labour did she? She ruled out working with Jeremy Corbyn (and perhaps also Boris Johnson I believe).

If you want to call it a lie, that's up to you. But you're desperately stretching it.

Jo Swinson has not ruled out a coalition with the Conservatives under Boris Johnson. She's refused to do so repeatedly when pressed. Not a lie, just reality.

[Mibbes Aye]

If you want to call it a lie, that's up to you. But you're desperately stretching it.

Jo Swinson has not ruled out a coalition with the Conservatives under Boris Johnson. She's refused to do so repeatedly when pressed. Not a lie, just reality.

You've posted on here, more than once I think, that Swinson has ruled out a coalition with Labour.

She hasn’t, she has ruled out a coalition with Corbyn, and for well-explained reasons.

I think you have also previously been accused of posting lies on here and failed to refute those accusations, much like you are doing now.

No one is criticising you for having an opinion, just challenging you about being a liar.

Or very, very mistaken. I guess it is up to you which you would rather be seen as but the ball is in your court.

[cabbageandribs1875]

PaddyPower offering odds on which goods will be rationed first


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[Callum_62]

So she's ruled out working with one party unless they change leader but not the other?

Definately appears to me to be ruling out working with 1 of them

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[Slavers]

PaddyPower offering odds on which goods will be rationed first


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They don't offer the option no rationing at all.

[Moulin Yarns]

The UK pays a rebated EU membership fee of £280 million a week.

According to the Institute of Fiscal Studies, UK membership of the EU single market is worth 4% more in GDP = £1.9 billion a week.

EU membership means a UK net gain of over £1.6 billion a week.

Put that on a bus.

[Hibernia&Alba]

So you were lying when you said Swinson was ruling out a coalition with Labour, or maybe just very, very mistaken and then trying to persuade others of your mistake.

Because she didn’t rule out working with Labour did she? She ruled out working with Jeremy Corbyn (and perhaps also Boris Johnson I believe).

But, whether Swinson likes it or not, Corbyn has twice been elected Labour leader by its membership, so, by ruling out a Corbyn coalition, she is indeed ruling out a Labour coalition. She doesn't get to choose who leads the Labour Party, particularly with her Tory voting record. I think you owe Fife Hibee an apology on this mate; he wasn't lying when he said Swinson has ruled out a coalition with Labour - she clearly has, because Corbyn is going nowhere.

[SHODAN]

Well the message was certainly clear from Jo Swinson on the Andrew Marr show this morning. The Lib Dems refuse to rule out a future coalition with the Tories after the next general election, despite already ruling one out with Labour.

Why on earth would a party that is 'truly' pro-remain not rule out a coalition with the party that brought us this mess?

They're stringing so many people along. It would be almost funny if it wasn't so serious.

"Centre" politicians will always side with the right over the left because the right aren't a threat to their standard of living.

[lord bunberry]

So she's ruled out working with one party unless they change leader but not the other?

Definately appears to me to be ruling out working with 1 of them

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She’s effectively ruled out working with both. If labour win enough seats to be in a position to form a coalition government it will be a victory for Corbyn. There’s no way he’s going to stand down in those circumstances.

[G B Young]

Their offer to revoke will swing a lot of votes their way. It’s smart politics.


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It's certainly something else for Labour to worry about, given their endless flip-flopping on Brexit. A bold move by the Lib Dems and one which ensures they have a crystal clear policy on Brexit going into an election. As things stand I think they'd pick up a sizeable share of the vote.

[G B Young]

But, whether Swinson likes it or not, Corbyn has twice been elected Labour leader by its membership, so, by ruling out a Corbyn coalition, she is indeed ruling out a Labour coalition. She doesn't get to choose who leads the Labour Party, particularly with her Tory voting record. I think you owe Fife Hibee an apology on this mate; he wasn't lying when he said Swinson has ruled out a coalition with Labour - she clearly has, because Corbyn is going nowhere.

He'll have to resign if Labour lose another election, which on current polling looks highly likely.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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NO
jeremy corbyn :agree:

or McDonnell, or Abbott, or thornberry, or Watson

[Fife-Hibee]

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NO
jeremy corbyn :agree:

or McDonnell, or Abbott, or thornberry, or Watson

We're so lucky we have Boris Johnson to keep that awful Jeremy Corbyn out of the job.

[G B Young]

The anyone but Corbyn mantra (lifted from 'The week in quotes'):

"There is no circumstance or exigency in which I could support his coming to power and so I have to make my choices. They are these: anything, anyone, any outcome but Corbyn. A Remainer, I would rather no-deal; a democrat, I would rather no Brexit; a Unionist, I would rather Scottish independence. Whatever the costs, the costs of Corbyn will always be higher."

[Hibernia&Alba]

He'll have to resign if Labour lose another election, which on current polling looks highly likely.

Time will tell; the pollsters got it completely wrong at the last general election. I think the most likely outcome would be another hung parliament, so what does Swinson do then? She says the Lib Dems wouldn't work with Labour, and their European policy is completely at odds with the Tories. A coalition between them would be unworkable. Fife Hibee wasn't lying about her current position: if Labour win most seats in a hung parliament, meaning Corbyn stays on, she says she wouldn't work them.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The anyone but Corbyn mantra (lifted from 'The week in quotes'):

"There is no circumstance or exigency in which I could support his coming to power and so I have to make my choices. They are these: anything, anyone, any outcome but Corbyn. A Remainer, I would rather no-deal; a democrat, I would rather no Brexit; a Unionist, I would rather Scottish independence. Whatever the costs, the costs of Corbyn will always be higher."

"A democrat, I would rather no Brexit". She announced that yesterday with the new Lib Dem policy to revoke Article Fifty without a referendum.

She doesn't seem so vehement about a hardline Brexit government of Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Gove, Leadsom and those other clowns. She is definitely on the right wing of the Lib Dems, leaning more towards the Tories, despite their irreconcilable differences on Brexit.

[Fife-Hibee]

The anyone but Corbyn mantra (lifted from 'The week in quotes'):

"There is no circumstance or exigency in which I could support his coming to power and so I have to make my choices. They are these: anything, anyone, any outcome but Corbyn. A Remainer, I would rather no-deal; a democrat, I would rather no Brexit; a Unionist, I would rather Scottish independence. Whatever the costs, the costs of Corbyn will always be higher."

Sadly, it just goes to show how monumentally thick people are. Ask anybody out there why they would back anything over Jeremy Corbyn and you'll get some incoherent nonsense about him being an anti-semite, or a terrorist sympathizer/British traitor.... etc.

It's up there with bananas and 3 pin plug arguments spouted out by Brexiteers who don't have a clue why they're Brexiteers.

[G B Young]

Time will tell; the pollsters got it completely wrong at the last general election. I think the most likely outcome would be another hung parliament, so what does Swinson do then? She says the Lib Dems wouldn't work with Labour, and their European policy is completely at odds with the Tories. A coalition between them would be unworkable. Fife Hibee wasn't lying about her current position: if Labour win most seats in a hung parliament, meaning Corbyn stays on, she says she wouldn't work them.

I was responding more to your assertion that Corbyn is going nowhere and pointing out that if he lost another election he'd have to go. As you say though, it would be a complex situation in the event of a hung parliament.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I was responding more to your assertion that Corbyn is going nowhere and pointing out that if he lost another election he'd have to go. As you say though, it would be a complex situation in the event of a hung parliament.

I think he would resign if Labour lost badly, though he wouldn't have to, as he has been overwhelmingly endorsed by the Labour membership. I think he would resign of his own volition. Then, what if a Tory leaning Swinson doesn't like the next leader the Labour Party elects? The Lib Dems were almost wiped out after going into coalition with the Tories, meaning she must be careful. It seems clear she leans more towards the Tories, but the Lib Dem members and voters do not.

[Fife-Hibee]

I think he would resign if Labour lost badly, though he wouldn't have to, as he has been overwhelmingly endorsed by the Labour membership. I think he would resign of his own volition. Then, what if a Tory leaning Swinson doesn't like the next leader the Labour Party elects? The Lib Dems were almost wiped out after going into coalition with the Tories, meaning she must be careful. It seems clear she leans more towards the Tories, but the Lib Dem members and voters do not.

:agree:

It's almost guaranteed she won't like the next Labour leader, regardless of who it is. Although, she may be tempted to work with them if they're a hard brexiteer.

[Bristolhibby]

So you were lying when you said Swinson was ruling out a coalition with Labour, or maybe just very, very mistaken and then trying to persuade others of your mistake.

Because she didn’t rule out working with Labour did she? She ruled out working with Jeremy Corbyn (and perhaps also Boris Johnson I believe).

TBH in these days of “Post Truth” you can say whatever you want before an election. You will never be held to account (unless you are the Lib Dems it seems).

J

[Bristolhibby]

The UK pays a rebated EU membership fee of £280 million a week.

According to the Institute of Fiscal Studies, UK membership of the EU single market is worth 4% more in GDP = £1.9 billion a week.

EU membership means a UK net gain of over £1.6 billion a week.

Put that on a bus.

Should I net this off from reduction in tax revenue and increase in Socila Security spending as the economy tanks?

J

[Cataplana]

What a cowardly way to justify a decision that will have massive implications for our country. "I don't know what I want, but I don't want Corbyn."

[Ozyhibby]

We're so lucky we have Boris Johnson to keep that awful Jeremy Corbyn out of the job.

Joke all you like but a lot of people think that Johnson is preferable. That would not be the case with a more centrist labour leader.



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[Fife-Hibee]

Joke all you like but a lot of people think that Johnson is preferable. That would not be the case with a more centrist labour leader.

People like Jo Swinson for example?

Centrist politicians are a myth as nobody can really agree what is considered centre ground in politics. Every politician believes theyre in the centre. Jeremy Corbyn thinks he's in the centre, as does Boris Johnson.

It's a vote winner to claim that you're centre ground. That's the only reason politicians use it.

[JeMeSouviens]

A long twitter thread (from one of the best Brexit commentators around) on where things could possibly go from here in negotiation with the EU.

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1173537249348263936

TL;DR - as you'd expect all v unlikely to get anywhere.

[Ozyhibby]

People like Jo Swinson for example?

Centrist politicians are a myth as nobody can really agree what is considered centre ground in politics. Every politician believes theyre in the centre. Jeremy Corbyn thinks he's in the centre, as does Boris Johnson.

It's a vote winner to claim that you're centre ground. That's the only reason politicians use it.

You seem a bit obsessed with Jo Swinson.[emoji23]


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[Fife-Hibee]

You seem a bit obsessed with Jo Swinson.[emoji23]


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I'm obsessed with taking down blatant liars in the political world. Everything about her suggests that she can't be trusted on anything.

For example. Her latest soundbite is that the lib dems will stop brexit, even without a referendum.

Sounds wonderful right?

Just one wee caveat. They're only commited to this if they win a majority at the next general election.

Another great sounding bite that they know they'll never actually have to follow through on.

[Hibbyradge]

TBH in these days of “Post Truth” you can say whatever you want before an election. You will never be held to account (unless you are the Lib Dems it seems).

J

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49717388

You're right, of course. Changing your mind on a policy isn't going to raise any eyebrows given the number of bare faced lies that have been exposed with zero consequences.

[Bristolhibby]

I'm obsessed with taking down blatant liars in the political world. Everything about her suggests that she can't be trusted on anything.

For example. Her latest soundbite is that the lib dems will stop brexit, even without a referendum.

Sounds wonderful right?

Just one wee caveat. They're only commited to this if they win a majority at the next general election.

Another great sounding bite that they know they'll never actually have to follow through on.

The Lib Dems can promise the Earth, they know they will have to compromise. Cameron would have given up the EU Referendum if as expected he would have had to go into coalition again. Problem was he won a majority and had to go through with the BREXIT vote.

J

[JeMeSouviens]

Forget the Hulk, now he's the Invisible Man:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEl5m-OW4AApUPD?format=jpg&name=small


(Johnson bottled a press conference with Xavier Bettel, the PM of Luxembourg, because a couple of hundred British ex-pats turned up to protest.)

[Callum_62]

Forget the Hulk, now he's the Invisible Man:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEl5m-OW4AApUPD?format=jpg&name=small


(Johnson bottled a press conference with Xavier Bettel, the PM of Luxembourg, because a couple of hundred British ex-pats turned up to protest.)Gosh this is extraordinary

We were expecting a joint, open-air press conference but, with a large crowd of anti-Brexit campaigners threatening to drown out Johnson, it was announced that the British PM was not going to take part (presumably because of the demonstration, although that has not officially been confirmed yet). Normally in these circumstances the polite thing to do is to re-arrange. But instead Xavier Bettel, the prime minister of Luxembourg, just went ahead anyway, effectively “empty chairing” his guest. At one point he even gestured at the space where Johnson was supposed to be.

And then Xavier just let rip. People often wonder what EU leaders say or think about Johnson in private. Well, now we know. The leave campaign was a pack of lies, Johnson’s talk of progress in the Brexit talk is unfounded, the UK still has not come up with any ideas about an alternative to the backstop. On and on he went, with particular emphasis on the point that the UK, not the EU, was to blame for the crisis. It was a “nightmare” for EU citizens, said Bettel. At several points he was loudly applauded by the protesters, because they felt he was articulating their anger.

Yesterday Johnson depicted himself as the Incredible Hulk. As the Telegraph’s*Michael Deacon*suggests, the reality could not be more different.



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[Fife-Hibee]

It was never the plan to come up with a deal. :rolleyes:

[Hibrandenburg]

Gosh this is extraordinary

We were expecting a joint, open-air press conference but, with a large crowd of anti-Brexit campaigners threatening to drown out Johnson, it was announced that the British PM was not going to take part (presumably because of the demonstration, although that has not officially been confirmed yet). Normally in these circumstances the polite thing to do is to re-arrange. But instead Xavier Bettel, the prime minister of Luxembourg, just went ahead anyway, effectively “empty chairing” his guest. At one point he even gestured at the space where Johnson was supposed to be.

And then Xavier just let rip. People often wonder what EU leaders say or think about Johnson in private. Well, now we know. The leave campaign was a pack of lies, Johnson’s talk of progress in the Brexit talk is unfounded, the UK still has not come up with any ideas about an alternative to the backstop. On and on he went, with particular emphasis on the point that the UK, not the EU, was to blame for the crisis. It was a “nightmare” for EU citizens, said Bettel. At several points he was loudly applauded by the protesters, because they felt he was articulating their anger.

Yesterday Johnson depicted himself as the Incredible Hulk. As the Telegraph’s*Michael Deacon*suggests, the reality could not be more different.



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More Invisible Man than Hulk.

[Hibrandenburg]

Forget the Hulk, now he's the Invisible Man:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEl5m-OW4AApUPD?format=jpg&name=small


(Johnson bottled a press conference with Xavier Bettel, the PM of Luxembourg, because a couple of hundred British ex-pats turned up to protest.)

Beat me too it.

[lapsedhibee]

Yesterday Johnson depicted himself as the Incredible Hulk. As the Telegraph’s*Michael Deacon*suggests, the reality could not be more different.


He said that his favourite episode of The Hulk is the one where a small group of people shouts loudly and he runs away :faf:

[Future17]

The anyone but Corbyn mantra (lifted from 'The week in quotes'):

"There is no circumstance or exigency in which I could support his coming to power and so I have to make my choices. They are these: anything, anyone, any outcome but Corbyn. A Remainer, I would rather no-deal; a democrat, I would rather no Brexit; a Unionist, I would rather Scottish independence. Whatever the costs, the costs of Corbyn will always be higher."

Who is being quoted there?

[G B Young]

So she's ruled out working with one party unless they change leader but not the other?

Definately appears to me to be ruling out working with 1 of them

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Categorically rules out forming a coalition with either Labour or the Conservatives:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49717388

No ambiguity there. She's setting her sights on No 10 for herself.

[Callum_62]

Categorically rules out forming a coalition with either Labour or the Conservatives:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49717388

No ambiguity there. She's setting her sights on No 10 for herself.Yep, that's pretty clear cut

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[Hibbyradge]

Yep, that's pretty clear cut

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It was clear cut when I posted it at 2.22! :greengrin

[Mon Dieu4]

Categorically rules out forming a coalition with either Labour or the Conservatives:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49717388

No ambiguity there. She's setting her sights on No 10 for herself.


At 39 years old I still have my sights set on being Hibs no 10, I probably have more chance and I'm less deluded than Swinson

[G B Young]

Forget the Hulk, now he's the Invisible Man:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEl5m-OW4AApUPD?format=jpg&name=small


(Johnson bottled a press conference with Xavier Bettel, the PM of Luxembourg, because a couple of hundred British ex-pats turned up to protest.)

Bizarre scenes.

Why travel all the way to Luxembourg to drown out a press conference though? Plays right into Johnson's hands.

On a more general level where do these types come from, in particular those who hang around outside Parliament day after day either shouting 'Stop Brexit' or waving 'We voted leave' placacards? How do they have so much free time on their hands?

[JeMeSouviens]

Bizarre scenes.

Why travel all the way to Luxembourg to drown out a press conference though? Plays right into Johnson's hands.

On a more general level where do these types come from, in particular those who hang around outside Parliament day after day either shouting 'Stop Brexit' or waving 'We voted leave' placacards? How do they have so much free time on their hands?

I think the suggestion is they are Brits who live in Luxembourg rather than travelling in specially.

[G B Young]

At 39 years old I still have my sights set on being Hibs no 10, I probably have more chance and I'm less deluded than Swinson

Things have become so polarised (ie we appear to now be facing a choice of no deal or no Brexit) I'm not sure we can laugh off the Lib Dem chances of making a serious impact at a general election. Not necessarily winning it, but significantly compromising the Labour vote.

[Bristolhibby]

Things have become so polarised (ie we appear to now be facing a choice of no deal or no Brexit) I'm not sure we can laugh off the Lib Dem chances of making a serious impact at a general election. Not necessarily winning it, but significantly compromising the Labour vote.

They have my vote.

(I live in Chippenham, a Lib Dem v Tory battleground).

J

[Hibbyradge]

They have my vote.

(I live in Chippenham, a Lib Dem v Tory battleground).

J

My constituency was one in which Labour made huge progress compared to 2015. They increased their share by 12% and are now in clear second place so I'll be voting for them.

Hopefully there'll be a Brexit Party candidate standing too. If so, Labour will have a decent chance of winning.

[Northernhibee]

he said that his favourite episode of the hulk is the one where a small group of people shouts loudly and he runs away :faf:

sulk...
...dash!

[Fife-Hibee]

Bizarre scenes.

Why travel all the way to Luxembourg to drown out a press conference though? Plays right into Johnson's hands.

It really doesn't.

Why travel all the way to Luxembourg for a press conference, only to wuss out of it? Just makes him look as weak and feeble as his predecessor.

[lapsedhibee]

Why travel all the way to Luxembourg to drown out a press conference though? Plays right into Johnson's hands.



If true that 'protesters' were paid to go there with taxpayers money authorised by Cummings as part of a stunt, that's an absolute disgrace.

Just to clarify, I don't believe that but people up and down the country might be saying it.

[Jack]

Things have become so polarised (ie we appear to now be facing a choice of no deal or no Brexit) I'm not sure we can laugh off the Lib Dem chances of making a serious impact at a general election. Not necessarily winning it, but significantly compromising the Labour vote.

And they will pick up the Tory remain vote.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49718015

[Pretty Boy]

You watch Johnson for 30 seconds and all you see is a habitual liar. Watching him interviewed by Laura Kuenssberg, hardly the toughest interviewer on the scene, on the BBC news just now and you can literally see him stumble from one lie to the next.

The interview with him talking about how he 'makes model buses' in his spare time was the most blatant lying I have ever seen from anyone.

[Pretty Boy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49718015

I'd vote for this guy. Seems like a solid policy to me.

[lapsedhibee]

You watch Johnson for 30 seconds and all you see is a habitual liar. Watching him interviewed by Laura Kuenssberg, hardly the toughest interviewer on the scene, on the BBC news just now and you can literally see him stumble from one lie to the next.

The interview with him talking about how he 'makes model buses' in his spare time was the most blatant lying I have ever seen from anyone.

Also becoming increasingly obvious how inarticulate he is. Most of the European politicians who are interviewed on Brexit speak more coherent English than Johnson.

[Future17]

The anyone but Corbyn mantra (lifted from 'The week in quotes'):

"There is no circumstance or exigency in which I could support his coming to power and so I have to make my choices. They are these: anything, anyone, any outcome but Corbyn. A Remainer, I would rather no-deal; a democrat, I would rather no Brexit; a Unionist, I would rather Scottish independence. Whatever the costs, the costs of Corbyn will always be higher."

Who is being quoted there?

[The Harp Awakes]

You watch Johnson for 30 seconds and all you see is a habitual liar. Watching him interviewed by Laura Kuenssberg, hardly the toughest interviewer on the scene, on the BBC news just now and you can literally see him stumble from one lie to the next.

The interview with him talking about how he 'makes model buses' in his spare time was the most blatant lying I have ever seen from anyone.

Watched the interview and it's quite scary how clueless Boris is. He literally does not have a clue and Kuenssberg would have got more sense from an interview with quasimodo.

[Hibrandenburg]

It really doesn't.

Why travel all the way to Luxembourg for a press conference, only to wuss out of it? Just makes him look as weak and feeble as his predecessor.

It was by far Johnson's best appearance since becoming PM.

[CloudSquall]

https://www.rt.com/uk/468922-verhofstadt-empire-speech-ridiculed/

I kind of get what he is trying to say but this sort of "empire" chat won't help the Lib Dems out with soft leavers or even soft remainers, and it is the sort of language that had me leaning towards Leave at one point.

Verhofstadt is for me the Farage of the pro EU side, some of his views are just as scary.

[Colr]

Watched the interview and it's quite scary how clueless Boris is. He literally does not have a clue and Kuenssberg would have got more sense from an interview with quasimodo.

I think he’s being shown up for how out of his depth he is. In the HoC, in the street and in interviews he looks flustered and confused.

[lapsedhibee]

I think he’s being shown up for how out of his depth he is. In the HoC, in the street and in interviews he looks flustered and confused.
And terrified that the Evil Genius sacks him and puts Govey in his place.

[Cataplana]

Also becoming increasingly obvious how inarticulate he is. Most of the European politicians who are interviewed on Brexit speak more coherent English than Johnson.

Which is why he is going to find it very difficult to keep it together in any election campaign

It is also the reason, that elections are the next thing his junta say we can do without.

[jonty]

Swinson is just going to dilute the remain vote and hand no-deal to the tories.
Labour need to come out and do the same. Cancel Brexit, and commit to holding town-hall meetings to find out what the country really wants (without all the bull**** and false promises).
Let the economy recover and be able to spell out exactly what needs to be renegotiated (or not) and help educate the population on what the EU does and does not do for us.

It'll never happen. far too sensible.
In fact they don't need to be in power to educate the country. They could start now. They could return to parliament every day and have Parliament TV all to themselves having a massive Q&A session.

(they probably couldn't get in and parly tv is probably shutdown, but hey, its all unused)

[CloudSquall]

Oh look, Ruth "oh what's she like" Davidson has found a voice...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ruth-davidson-slams-boris-johnsons-20078776.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true

Why wasn't any of this aired as leader of the Scottish Conservatives?

Without a shadow of a doubt, she is a grade 1, class A, total ****ing ***** bag,and any unionist taken in by her and the Scottish media's coverage of her should take a ****ing good look at themselves.

I hate that ****...

[Fife-Hibee]

Oh look, Ruth "oh what's she like" Davidson has found a voice...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ruth-davidson-slams-boris-johnsons-20078776.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true

Why wasn't any of this aired as leader of the Scottish Conservatives?

Without a shadow of a doubt, she is a grade 1, class A, total ****ing ***** bag,and any unionist taken in by her and the Scottish media's coverage of her should take a ****ing good look at themselves.

I hate that ****...

In a candid interview, the 40-year-old once tipped for PM said it felt "naughty" having her first weekend off work for a decade

Christ, she can't even be honest when talking about breaks ffs.

[Ozyhibby]

In a candid interview, the 40-year-old once tipped for PM said it felt "naughty" having her first weekend off work for a decade

Christ, she can't even be honest when talking about breaks ffs.

She’s been off work for months.[emoji23]


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[HappyAsHellas]

https://www.rt.com/uk/468922-verhofstadt-empire-speech-ridiculed/

I kind of get what he is trying to say but this sort of "empire" chat won't help the Lib Dems out with soft leavers or even soft remainers, and it is the sort of language that had me leaning towards Leave at one point.

Verhofstadt is for me the Farage of the pro EU side, some of his views are just as scary.

Probably the biggest piece of vermin in Europe. The political clout he has is incredible, he makes Boris look left wing and sensible.

[lapsedhibee]

Probably the biggest piece of vermin in Europe. The political clout he has is incredible, he makes Boris look left wing and sensible.

Vermin? Did you mean to say blowfly?

[JeMeSouviens]

I think the Libs new improved extra-remaininess is just stupid.

Jo Swinson tweet:
The biggest issue facing the country in decades and Jeremy Corbyn wants to sit on the sidelines. He is betraying Remain voters.

Corbyn has now committed to a ref2 with Remain on the ballot, ie. exactly what the mainstream of Remain voters has been asking for!

They've cut the legs from under any possible remain alliance and I don't see a realistic route to remain that doesn't involve a large bloc of Labour MPs. Swinson's short-termist party focus is rivalling Johnson's. :rolleyes:

[Smartie]

Nigel Farage walks into a pub and says, "I'll have a pint of beer please..." The barman pours a pint, then throws it all over Farage.

"What did you do that for?" says Farage, drenched to the skin.

"Because you're in a metaphor which illustrates the stupidity of asking for something but not stipulating how you ******g wanted it delivered, you frog-faced sniveling cant!"

"But I'm still thirsty, so I want a pint -- this time in a glass!" says Farage.

"You can't ask again!" said the barman.

"Why not?" snivelled Farage.

"Democracy." says the barman.

[Bristolhibby]

I think the Libs new improved extra-remaininess is just stupid.

Jo Swinson tweet:

Corbyn has now committed to a ref2 with Remain on the ballot, ie. exactly what the mainstream of Remain voters has been asking for!

They've cut the legs from under any possible remain alliance and I don't see a realistic route to remain that doesn't involve a large bloc of Labour MPs. Swinson's short-termist party focus is rivalling Johnson's. :rolleyes:

They will compromise and horse trade. Corbyn vision is closer aligned to hers than the Tories.

That’s what coalitions are all about. Before an election you set out your stall. You know there are things you will
Have to give ground on, but you set out your pure vision nevertheless.

Then when the RealPolitik of seats and numbers hits after an election you horse trade to get a workable government.

I don’t get the anger against the Lib Dem’s.

They chose wrongly last time and were almost wiped out. I don’t think they will make the same mistake again.

J

[Jack]

Nigel Farage walks into a pub and says, "I'll have a pint of beer please..." The barman pours a pint, then throws it all over Farage.

"What did you do that for?" says Farage, drenched to the skin.

"Because you're in a metaphor which illustrates the stupidity of asking for something but not stipulating how you ******g wanted it delivered, you frog-faced sniveling cant!"

"But I'm still thirsty, so I want a pint -- this time in a glass!" says Farage.

"You can't ask again!" said the barman.

"Why not?" snivelled Farage.

"Democracy." says the barman.

Sometimes all that's needed is a like button:-)

[lapsedhibee]

Nigel Farage walks into a pub and says, "I'll have a pint of beer please..." The barman pours a pint, then throws it all over Farage.

"What did you do that for?" says Farage, drenched to the skin.

"Because you're in a metaphor which illustrates the stupidity of asking for something but not stipulating how you ******g wanted it delivered, you frog-faced sniveling cant!"

"But I'm still thirsty, so I want a pint -- this time in a glass!" says Farage.

"You can't ask again!" said the barman.

"Why not?" snivelled Farage.

"Democracy." says the barman.
:greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

Nigel Farage walks into a pub and says, "I'll have a pint of beer please..." The barman pours a pint, then throws it all over Farage.

"What did you do that for?" says Farage, drenched to the skin.

"Because you're in a metaphor which illustrates the stupidity of asking for something but not stipulating how you ******g wanted it delivered, you frog-faced sniveling cant!"

"But I'm still thirsty, so I want a pint -- this time in a glass!" says Farage.

"You can't ask again!" said the barman.

"Why not?" snivelled Farage.

"Democracy." says the barman.

😁👍

[Fife-Hibee]

EU just told Boris Johnson that he has 12 days to reveal his plan, or it's all over.

[Moulin Yarns]

EU just told Boris Johnson that he has 12 days to reveal his plan, or it's all over.

Source? Link? Anything?

[Moulin Yarns]

On twitter



The EU have voted to let the UK have an extension to #Brexit. This is proof proper that the EU are running scared that we will #LeaveOct31st. They are frightened of us leaving FULLSTOP. They know we have the best economy & know their economy will collapse

[Fife-Hibee]

On twitter



The EU have voted to let the UK have an extension to #Brexit. This is proof proper that the EU are running scared that we will #LeaveOct31st. They are frightened of us leaving FULLSTOP. They know we have the best economy & know their economy will collapse

Nope, completely contradicts this - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-boris-johnson-deal-plan-deadline-ultimatum-latest-a9111066.html?fbclid=IwAR0w6m9VXCzOE7pAR4FSC4QOivm Qmmj0z0382O0o8JvJFyWipd9DkW5NAUE

They've also passed legislation that states that if the UK doesn't meet its financial obligations with the EU, then no deal will be accepted.

[Mibbes Aye]

They will compromise and horse trade. Corbyn vision is closer aligned to hers than the Tories.

That’s what coalitions are all about. Before an election you set out your stall. You know there are things you will
Have to give ground on, but you set out your pure vision nevertheless.

Then when the RealPolitik of seats and numbers hits after an election you horse trade to get a workable government.

I don’t get the anger against the Lib Dem’s.

They chose wrongly last time and were almost wiped out. I don’t think they will make the same mistake again.

J

Rightly or wrongly, they couldn’t have propped up a Labour government in 2010. The tail end of the Brown government wasn’t really interested in them, and the likes of Laws and Clegg weren’t particularly interested in Labour.

There probably would have been an election in quick time after 2010 if they were supporting Lab and they would have faced the loss of tons of votes from their element who float to soft Tory or even Green. The Tories would then likely won a clear majority.

Dont like saying it, but by 2010 Labour were probably needing opposition to try and find a way of re-energising.

[Fife-Hibee]

Rightly or wrongly, they couldn’t have propped up a Labour government in 2010. The tail end of the Brown government wasn’t really interested in them, and the likes of Laws and Clegg weren’t particularly interested in Labour.

There probably would have been an election in quick time after 2010 if they were supporting Lab and they would have faced the loss of tons of votes from their element who float to soft Tory or even Green. The Tories would then likely won a clear majority.

Dont like saying it, but by 2010 Labour were probably needing opposition to try and find a way of re-energising.

Seeing as you're all about the provision of evidence. Can you provide any evidence that "the tail end of the Brown government wasn't really interested in them"?

Can you also provide evidence that "there probably would have been an election in quick time after 2010"?

[Mibbes Aye]

Seeing as you're all about the provision of evidence. Can you provide any evidence that "the tail end of the Brown government wasn't really interested in them"?

Can you also provide evidence that "there probably would have been an election in quick time after 2010"?


The stuff about Brown is based on interviews in the aftermath with the likes of Balls and Adonis and also Clegg etc from the Lib Dem side who were involved in the post-GE discussions. There have been numerous documentaries broadcast on the various channels, featuring them talking about it. Google or YouTube will be your friend.

As for providing evidence there probably would have been a quick second election, that’s a belter even by your standards. How does one prove something probably would have happened? It is an opinion, no more, no less.

[Moulin Yarns]

Nope, completely contradicts this - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-boris-johnson-deal-plan-deadline-ultimatum-latest-a9111066.html?fbclid=IwAR0w6m9VXCzOE7pAR4FSC4QOivm Qmmj0z0382O0o8JvJFyWipd9DkW5NAUE

They've also passed legislation that states that if the UK doesn't meet its financial obligations with the EU, then no deal will be accepted.

So, what is the true.

[Fife-Hibee]

So, what is the true.

I don't know, because I don't know who your twitter source is. :greengrin

[Fife-Hibee]

The stuff about Brown is based on interviews in the aftermath with the likes of Balls and Adonis and also Clegg etc from the Lib Dem side who were involved in the post-GE discussions. There have been numerous documentaries broadcast on the various channels, featuring them talking about it. Google or YouTube will be your friend.

As for providing evidence there probably would have been a quick second election, that’s a belter even by your standards. How does one prove something probably would have happened? It is an opinion, no more, no less.

So it's your 'opinion' that Jo Swinson would stop brexit if the Lib Dems had a majority government, seeing as the situation is purely hypothetical?

[Mibbes Aye]

So it's your 'opinion' that Jo Swinson would stop brexit if the Lib Dems had a majority government, seeing as the situation is purely hypothetical?

Why don’t you just answer the question about why you are lying first, then we can get into more hypotheticals?

Youve been saying Swinson backed Leave in 2008. Put up or shut up, as the expression goes.

[Fife-Hibee]

Why don’t you just answer the question about why you are lying first, then we can get into more hypotheticals?

Youve been saying Swinson backed Leave in 2008. Put up or shut up, as the expression goes.

Where did I say she backed leave? I said she was demanding an EU referendum back then, despite being in the minority at the time to do so. Seems a bit odd that she would now back remaining without another vote on the matter, when it was her and the lib dems idea to have one in the first place.

[Mibbes Aye]

Where did I say she backed leave? I said she was demanding an EU referendum back then, despite being in the minority at the time to do so. Seems a bit odd that she would now back remaining without another vote on the matter, when it was her and the lib dems idea to have one in the first place.

Yawn.

Post 142 on the Swinson thread where you said you didn’t believe she was a remainer and cited her support for a referendum as proof.

As has been pointed out to you, support for a referendum was Lib Dem policy under Nick Clegg, the Europhile’s Europhile.

Looking at that thread you also accuse Swinson of having no soul and making a bizarre comment about all men being more attractive than Ruth Davidson. You seem to have some really strong views about women politicians that are very personalised and are more than a bit extreme. I am sorry but you come across in a very unusual and embittered manner.

[Fife-Hibee]

Yawn.

Post 142 on the Swinson thread where you said you didn’t believe she was a remainer and cited her support for a referendum as proof.

As has been pointed out to you, support for a referendum was Lib Dem policy under Nick Clegg, the Europhile’s Europhile.

Looking at that thread you also accuse Swinson of having no soul and making a bizarre comment about all men being more attractive than Ruth Davidson. You seem to have some really strong views about women politicians that are very personalised and are more than a bit extreme. I am sorry but you come across in a very unusual and embittered manner.

I don't believe she's a remainer now. I didn't say whether I thought she was back then or not. Am I not allowed to think that she isn't? Is it not ok for some of us not to fall for such cheap bogus political soundbites and actually be able to read between the lines?

My views are my own. It doesn't matter to me if they're extreme in your own view. In my view, you come across as someone who will pull out any delusions necessary to keep yourself convinced that Scotlands future isn't best served in it's own hands. But I doubt you care about my view of you anymore than I care about your view of me.

[Smartie]

I don't believe she's a remainer now. I didn't say whether I thought she was back then or not. Am I not allowed to think that she isn't? Is it not ok for some of us not to fall for such cheap bogus political soundbites and actually be able to read between the lines?

My views are my own. It doesn't matter to me if they're extreme in your own view. In my view, you come across as someone who will pull out any delusions necessary to keep yourself convinced that Scotlands future isn't best served in it's own hands. But I doubt you care about my view of you anymore than I care about your view of me.

Her game plan as you see it is a bit mad though.

If she's a Tory, why not join the conservatives? If you're a cynical career politician, surely the party that is most aligned with your beliefs and has a good chance of spending a significant amount of time in government throughout your career is the most sensible choice?

There cannot be many people who are genuinely Leavers within the LibDems, let alone their leader?

I don't get where you're coming from on this one. Fair enough if you dislike her and/ or disagree with her (which, as it happens, I do both) but your position on this is a bit mad to say the least.

[Moulin Yarns]

I don't know, because I don't know who your twitter source is. :greengrin


Chris Davies MEP


European Parliament has just voted 544-126 in support of UK being given an article 50 extension should the request be made. #StopBrexit

[Fife-Hibee]

Her game plan as you see it is a bit mad though.

If she's a Tory, why not join the conservatives? If you're a cynical career politician, surely the party that is most aligned with your beliefs and has a good chance of spending a significant amount of time in government throughout your career is the most sensible choice?

There cannot be many people who are genuinely Leavers within the LibDems, let alone their leader?

I don't get where you're coming from on this one. Fair enough if you dislike her and/ or disagree with her (which, as it happens, I do both) but your position on this is a bit mad to say the least.

Why would she join the Conservatives when she can be leader of the Lib Dems? It was the same with Tony Blair. Could so easily have been in the Conservative Party, but he knew he had greater career potential within the Labour Party.

My opinion of Swinson is based on her actual actions. Not the soundbites. Not sure what's so mad about that? I personally think the opposite is mad. But some people just believe what they see and hear on the surface, even from the most untrustworthy of people. Even if the actions behind the scenes completely contradict what they believe about that person.

[Fife-Hibee]

Chris Davies MEP


European Parliament has just voted 544-126 in support of UK being given an article 50 extension should the request be made. #StopBrexit

Could you post a link to the tweet? I'm struggling to find it. Cheers.

[Mibbes Aye]

I don't believe she's a remainer now. I didn't say whether I thought she was back then or not. Am I not allowed to think that she isn't? Is it not ok for some of us not to fall for such cheap bogus political soundbites and actually be able to read between the lines?

My views are my own. It doesn't matter to me if they're extreme in your own view. In my view, you come across as someone who will pull out any delusions necessary to keep yourself convinced that Scotlands future isn't best served in it's own hands. But I doubt you care about my view of you anymore than I care about your view of me.

You are a card! Do you really expect to be taken seriously posting stuff like that?

Never mind, but please bear in mind that you have been accused of lying on here a few times, not just by me, and I’m sure if you post like you do then you will be accused again. And to be honest you have never really refuted any accusations.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Chris Davies MEP


European Parliament has just voted 544-126 in support of UK being given an article 50 extension should the request be made. #StopBrexit


and they will keep on and on giving them, the EU talk tough but they're desperate for the leavers to just get totally fed up and call it a day, it's a game of bluff and as much as i dislike BoJo i thought he was correct when he told parliament that the vote to stop a no-deal brexit lessened the chance of a better deal for the UK "IF" brexit were to happen

[Moulin Yarns]

Could you post a link to the tweet? I'm struggling to find it. Cheers.

Could you not even search Chris Davies on twitter?

Take a look at Chris Davies MEP (@ChrisDaviesLD): https://twitter.com/ChrisDaviesLD?s=09

https://twitter.com/ChrisDaviesLD/status/1174264651368083456?s=19

[Hibbyradge]

You are a card! Do you really expect to be taken seriously posting stuff like that?

Never mind, but please bear in mind that you have been accused of lying on here a few times, not just by me, and I’m sure if you post like you do then you will be accused again. And to be honest you have never really refuted any accusations.

I have a question.

In psychology, what's the difference between "projection" and "displacement"?

[JeMeSouviens]

Could you not even search Chris Davies on twitter?

Take a look at Chris Davies MEP (@ChrisDaviesLD): https://twitter.com/ChrisDaviesLD?s=09

https://twitter.com/ChrisDaviesLD/status/1174264651368083456?s=19

The Euro parliament aren’t actually in control of any extension. It’ll be up to the council (minus the UK), ie. the heads of government of the EU27.

[Fife-Hibee]

Could you not even search Chris Davies on twitter?

Take a look at Chris Davies MEP (@ChrisDaviesLD): https://twitter.com/ChrisDaviesLD?s=09

https://twitter.com/ChrisDaviesLD/status/1174264651368083456?s=19

I did, but he wouldn't appear in the search results for some reason. :dunno: Thank anyway.

[G B Young]

I think the Libs new improved extra-remaininess is just stupid.

Jo Swinson tweet:

Corbyn has now committed to a ref2 with Remain on the ballot, ie. exactly what the mainstream of Remain voters has been asking for!

They've cut the legs from under any possible remain alliance and I don't see a realistic route to remain that doesn't involve a large bloc of Labour MPs. Swinson's short-termist party focus is rivalling Johnson's. :rolleyes:

Bearing in mind Corbyn's shifting sands stance on Europe down the years is he ever really going to provide voters with a coherent policy on Brexit that they can get behind? The Labour Party conference is already shaping up to be another Brexit bun-fight:

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-corbyns-changing-brexit-stance

[Pretty Boy]

Guardian reporting the DUP may be prepared to shift their stance on the Irish border issue and compromise to get a deal through.

[G B Young]

Guardian reporting the DUP may be prepared to shift their stance on the Irish border issue and compromise to get a deal through.

Would such a compromise make any difference when it comes to getting a deal through parliament though? You'd imagine the remainers would still vote down any deal the PM presents them no matter how many boxes it might tick - and there aren't enough Conservative MPs left to make up the numbers to get it through.

Mind you, it would be a boost to Johnson's election chances if he gets the DUP onside, presents a deal and sees it voted down. Further proof that parliament was set against the people's will from the start. Plenty of wailing about how awful no deal would be, yet determined to vote down any deal they're presented with.

[Callum_62]

Would such a compromise make any difference when it comes to getting a deal through parliament though? You'd imagine the remainers would still vote down any deal the PM presents them no matter how many boxes it might tick - and there aren't enough Conservative MPs left to make up the numbers to get it through.

Mind you, it would be a boost to Johnson's election chances if he gets the DUP onside, presents a deal and sees it voted down. Further proof that parliament was set against the people's will from the start. Plenty of wailing about how awful no deal would be, yet determined to vote down any deal they're presented with.Didn't the erg vote down the previous deals too?

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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190919/c29738d2a6a464006cde675c71d4b467.jpg

Swinson’s plan starting to work. Luckily Corbyn’s is a more long term plan.


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[JeMeSouviens]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190919/c29738d2a6a464006cde675c71d4b467.jpg

Swinson’s plan starting to work. Luckily Corbyn’s is a more long term plan.


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Although these numbers look good for the Tories with the 46% leave relatively concentrated and the 48% remain (would actually be over 50% once SNP/Plaid added) split wide open, the electoral map may come to the rescue.

Seemingly of the Lib's top 50 targets, 40+ are Tory held and only 7 Labour. If people are smart (yeah, yeah, I know) and vote Lib in the Lib/Tory and Lab in the Lab/Tory marginals, then there should be another hung parliament. It's going to be a ****** nailbiter though whereas a moderate Labour would be absolutely romping it (imo).

[SHODAN]

Although these numbers look good for the Tories with the 46% leave relatively concentrated and the 48% remain (would actually be over 50% once SNP/Plaid added) split wide open, the electoral map may come to the rescue.

Seemingly of the Lib's top 50 targets, 40+ are Tory held and only 7 Labour. If people are smart (yeah, yeah, I know) and vote Lib in the Lib/Tory and Lab in the Lab/Tory marginals, then there should be another hung parliament. It's going to be a ****** nailbiter though whereas a moderate Labour would be absolutely romping it (imo).

If Labour and the LDs got over themselves and committed to getting the Tories out with a pact to not stand in Tory/LD and Tory/Lab marginals, we'd be heading for at the very least a second referendum. But as we all know, Swinson would rather have a pact with Johnson and Corbyn won't compromise with anyone.

[Jack]

Bearing in mind Corbyn's shifting sands stance on Europe down the years is he ever really going to provide voters with a coherent policy on Brexit that they can get behind? The Labour Party conference is already shaping up to be another Brexit bun-fight:

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-corbyns-changing-brexit-stance

The Tory stance on the EU was ripping and continues to rip them apart and now because they can't get their act together they're ripping apart the country.

[JeMeSouviens]

If Labour and the LDs got over themselves and committed to getting the Tories out with a pact to not stand in Tory/LD and Tory/Lab marginals, we'd be heading for at the very least a second referendum. But as we all know, Swinson would rather have a pact with Johnson and Corbyn won't compromise with anyone.

:agree:

It's like Northern Ireland peace in the 70s and 80s. Everybody wanted it, but not enough to actually make the compromises to bring it about.

[Hibbyradge]

If Labour and the LDs got over themselves and committed to getting the Tories out with a pact to not stand in Tory/LD and Tory/Lab marginals, we'd be heading for at the very least a second referendum. But as we all know, Swinson would rather have a pact with Johnson and Corbyn won't compromise with anyone.

You're most probably right, but blaming anyone just now is a bit previous, if I may.

If any serious political party started offering pacts with their opponents before an election had even been called, and on this occasion, before we know what the Brexit situation will look like, they'd be off their heads.

I also think it's highly unlikely that Corbyn would ever do a deal with any other party so people can level the same charge at him. Edit: I see you have.

[Mibbes Aye]

If Labour and the LDs got over themselves and committed to getting the Tories out with a pact to not stand in Tory/LD and Tory/Lab marginals, we'd be heading for at the very least a second referendum. But as we all know, Swinson would rather have a pact with Johnson and Corbyn won't compromise with anyone.

She specifically said she wouldn’t support Johnson or Corbyn to be prime minister because neither are up to the job.

And let’s face it, she isn’t wrong on that one..

[Ozyhibby]

She specifically said she wouldn’t support Johnson or Corbyn to be prime minister because neither are up to the job.

And let’s face it, she isn’t wrong on that one..

You can still have a non aggression pact in certain constituencies without specifically supporting Corbyn for PM.


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[Mibbes Aye]

You can still have a non aggression pact in certain constituencies without specifically supporting Corbyn for PM.


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Dont disagree but that’s maybe a different point. Some people on here are trying to create a narrative where Swinson is anti-Corbyn and pro-Boris, which is blatantly untrue.

As I said before, I think Ms Swinson maybe unsettles some of her opponents more than their egos will let them admit, hence the personal attacks and made-up stuff.

[Fife-Hibee]

Dont disagree but that’s maybe a different point. Some people on here are trying to create a narrative where Swinson is anti-Corbyn and pro-Boris, which is blatantly untrue.

As I said before, I think Ms Swinson maybe unsettles some of her opponents more than their egos will let them admit, hence the personal attacks and made-up stuff.

Yep. Because dividing up the Labour vote even more in Scotland has SNP supporters feeling so unsettled. We're not attacking her because she's deemed an electoral threat up here, we're attacking her on her voting record which some are happy to simply ignore, or remain blissfully ignorant of.

The Lib Dems are NOT winning a majority, so every promise they tie to this condition being met ultimately counts for nothing.

[GreenLake]

Can't wait till the Brexit BS is over. Might cause some local disruptions but it's hardly going to cause a blip on the global economy.

[Callum_62]

Can't wait till the Brexit BS is over. Might cause some local disruptions but it's hardly going to cause a blip on the global economy.A no deal wil cause alot more than “local disruptions" infact, wasn't it forecast to be up to 8 times as bad as the GFC? That wasn't a walk in the park either

The obvious, sensible choice was always a Norway style soft brexit - unfortunately the tory Govt had to rule that out because of there own party divisions, which is why we had a referendum in the first place

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[weecounty hibby]

Can't wait till the Brexit BS is over. Might cause some local disruptions but it's hardly going to cause a blip on the global economy.

For local disruptions please refer to the Yellowhammer report!!!

[lapsedhibee]

A no deal wil cause alot more than “local disruptions" infact, wasn't it forecast to be up to 8 times as bad as the GFC? That wasn't a walk in the park either

The obvious, sensible choice was always a Norway style soft brexit - unfortunately the tory Govt had to rule that out because of there own party divisions, which is why we had a referendum in the first place


The obvious sensible choice was to transport Francois and all his pals to the Isle of Wight and let them play out their Rule Britannia fantasies somewhere that wouldn't cause another civil war in Ireland. Letting them stay and play them out in Parliament has been far from sensible.

[JeMeSouviens]

James Kirkup in the Times nails Cameron:



Norman Tebbit once said politics is about shooting the crocodile nearest the boat. On Europe, Cameron selected a small, distant crocodile and fed it a steady diet of scraps, while promising it real meat tomorrow. Promises of a referendum on the Lisbon treaty and net immigration in the “tens of thousands” just fuelled the beast’s appetite. With each unsatisfactory meal, the beast grew bigger and hungrier. So he decided to invite it on to the boat for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Now that the boat has run aground, shipping water, Cameron begs for our understanding over his decision to steer for the rocks then abandon ship: “What choice did I have? There was a bloody great crocodile in my boat.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4e0c89c0-daf4-11e9-9cfd-b79996a387b0?ni-statuscode=acsaz-307

[CloudSquall]

https://mobile.twitter.com/gigiglasgow72/status/1174969505530777602

The lack of self respect required to make a "speech" like this is beyond my imagination..

[Callum_62]

https://mobile.twitter.com/gigiglasgow72/status/1174969505530777602

The lack of self respect required to make a "speech" like this is beyond my imagination.."Please M'am"

Away wi ye man

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[Mr Grieves]

https://mobile.twitter.com/gigiglasgow72/status/1174969505530777602

The lack of self respect required to make a "speech" like this is beyond my imagination..


Boak

[Hibernia&Alba]

"Please M'am"

Away wi ye man

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"Your Majesty", "subjects", "Ma'am". From a grown man tae; pathetic, grovelling nonsense.

[DaveF]

https://mobile.twitter.com/gigiglasgow72/status/1174969505530777602

The lack of self respect required to make a "speech" like this is beyond my imagination..

Is that a piss take or has Vine completely lost his mind?

[wpj]

Is that a piss take or has Vine completely lost his mind?

I always enjoyed his radio show and his interviews but if that was not a parody then I have just lost respect for him. That was a cinge inducing performance that wouldn't have been out of place on 1st April

[lord bunberry]

https://mobile.twitter.com/gigiglasgow72/status/1174969505530777602

The lack of self respect required to make a "speech" like this is beyond my imagination..
Jeremy Vine is the biggest clown the media has to offer. He’s a complete joke, his radio show is shockingly bad and his tv show is even worse. How such a clueless man has managed to do so well is testament to the nepotism that exists at the BBC and other media organisations.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Jeremy Vine is the biggest clown the media has to offer. He’s a complete joke, his radio show is shockingly bad and his tv show is even worse. How such a clueless man has managed to do so well is testament to the nepotism that exists at the BBC and other media organisations.

I always thought he was alright on Newsnight, but it seems his days as a serious journalist are now behind him.

[CloudSquall]

Is that a piss take or has Vine completely lost his mind?

Had a check myself and he was being serious, or at least as serious as can be for someone that appears to have lost the plot.

[JeMeSouviens]

Eyes down for the Supreme Court judgement ... :cb

[lapsedhibee]

Eyes down for the Supreme Court judgement ... :cb

... or fudgement ...

[cabbageandribs1875]

parliament to get recalled :agree:




imo ;)

[JeMeSouviens]

Justiciable!

[Peevemor]

Justiciable!

Oof!

[Moulin Yarns]

- Supreme Court rules it CAN rule on the Boris Johnson prorogation case
- Judgement (being read now) is the unanimous judgment of all 11 judgments

[JeMeSouviens]

Not looking good for the Tory *******s. Mon the treacherous enemies of the people. :wink:

[Moulin Yarns]

Love that Lady Hale is wearing a Boris the spider broach

[lapsedhibee]

Not looking good for the Tory *******s. Mon the treacherous enemies of the people. :wink:

Stopping short of calling Johnson a liar though.

[Moulin Yarns]

11-0 result.

[cabbageandribs1875]

was it EVER going to be lawful





they should just hand down a jail sentence to Boris now

[Moulin Yarns]

UK Supreme Court States Prorogation Prevented Parliament Carrying Out Its Role



UNLAWFUL

[JeMeSouviens]

Unlawful! :na na:

[Moulin Yarns]

UNANIMOUS that prorogation is justiciable. Parliamentary Sovereignty upheld. Parliamentary accountability restored. UP YOURS BORIS JOHNSON. RESIGN YOU DUPLICITOUS *******.

[Moulin Yarns]

Come on the speaker

[Moulin Yarns]

Oh popcorn moment

[CloudSquall]

So the Scottish Court's ruling has won over the English Court's ruling?

I await the shower of seethe :thumbsup::flag::greengrin

[marinello59]

Boris broke the law. Surely a PM should resign after that. He won’t...huge decision though.

[Moulin Yarns]

The prorogation is void and of no effect, unanimously agreed by the UK Supreme Court. Bye bye Johnson.

[Onceinawhile]

So wtf was the English High Court doing?

[cabbageandribs1875]

they've still to make a decision on Heckingbottom

[lapsedhibee]

Boris broke the law. Surely a PM should resign after that. He won’t...huge decision though.

Maybe not, because the court didn't judge on motive, only effect.

[Peevemor]

My joy knows no bounds!

[Moulin Yarns]

UK Supreme Court rules on Prime Minister Boris Johnson's parliament suspension https://t.co/3wi75HxSO6

[Peevemor]

Maybe not, because the court didn't judge on motive, only effect.

The highest court in the land had judged that the advice he gave to the Queen (for whatever reason) was unlawful.

Even Bojo can't brass-neck this one out, can he?

[Callum_62]

Parliment recalled and Bojo progues again

Some banter

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[Ozyhibby]

So Johnson and Rees-Mogg lies to the Queen? Surely they both resign?


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[lapsedhibee]

So Johnson and Rees-Mogg lies to the Queen? Surely they both resign?


I don't think they necessarily did. Be good to see them gone though.

[CloudSquall]

From Laura Kuenssberg on Twitter: "Bercow statement says Parliament must convene as a matter of urgency - he will consult party leaders ASAP"


Pleasing :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

From Laura Kuenssberg on Twitter: "Bercow statement says Parliament must convene as a matter of urgency - he will consult party leaders ASAP"


Pleasing :greengrin

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[lapsedhibee]

The highest court in the land had judged that the advice he gave to the Queen (for whatever reason) was unlawful.

Even Bojo can't brass-neck this one out, can he?

Shirley can, and will. Unless he's bored with the job, in which case the enemies of the people have given him a convenient excuse to flounce out.

[JimBHibees]

Boris broke the law. Surely a PM should resign after that. He won’t...huge decision though.

Must resign surely?

[CloudSquall]

In the good old days lying to the Queen in this manner must have led to a beheading surely?

A resignation isn't too much to ask for in comparison:greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

Must resign surely?

Bridgen already on the tellybox slavering that the Supreme Court is defying the will of the British people.

[Moulin Yarns]

Oooh Joanna Cherry!

[cabbageandribs1875]

the labour boy in the bbc studio just can't shut his mouth and let the other side answer questions

[Bangkok Hibby]

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Cannae help myself...love that wee guy :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

I don't think they necessarily did. Be good to see them gone though.

It did because it upheld the decision by the court of session.


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[lapsedhibee]

It did because it upheld the decision by the court of session.


Hale specifically ruled out the current court having made a judgement on motive though.

[Hibbyradge]

Bridgen already on the tellybox slavering that the Supreme Court is defying the will of the British people.

He's right though.

I clearly remember putting a cross in the box which said "Parliament should be prorogued". :agree:

[Moulin Yarns]

Weird all these Brexit people hating British laws and British judges and British courts and British rulings. Thought the whole point of Brexit was for us to have more respect for British laws?

[lapsedhibee]

Farage putting boot into The Genius now.
Lovely. :greengrin
Corbyn doing shouty soundbites. :bitchy:

[Moulin Yarns]

Three women - Joanna Cherry, Gina Miller, and Lady Hale - have exposed Boris Johnson for the sleekit liar he is and there is something very poetic about that.

[lapsedhibee]

Weird all these Brexit people hating British laws and British judges and British courts and British rulings. Thought the whole point of Brexit was for us to have more respect for British laws?

Francois will be looking for traitory foreign blood in the Justices' ancestry as we speak.

[JeMeSouviens]

Francois will be looking for traitory foreign blood in the Justices' ancestry as we speak.

I hear one of them likes Brie! :bitchy::fuming::grr: