Brexit - What Now.

[Killiehibbie]

Yes, after you mentioned it I looked the manifesto up as well. I think we're in big, big trouble.

Just watch them agree to all manner of bad deals when they think attention is diverted.

[Kato]

Thing is it will probably just be brushed off as remoaners being remoaners again



Probably, despite it being before our very eyes.

[Hibrandenburg]

Hooray! You lot will all be eating humble pie when Her Majesty navigates her way around the globe on the new HMY Enterprise and seals deals with far flung exotic nations just queueing up to trade with us.

https://www.markfrancois.com/news/francois-speaks-out-westminster-new-royal-yacht

[grunt]

Hooray! You lot will all be eating humble pie when Her Majesty navigates her way around the globe on the new HMY Enterprise and seals deals with far flung exotic nations just queueing up to trade with us.

https://www.markfrancois.com/news/francois-speaks-out-westminster-new-royal-yacht
I know I'm biased, but really anyone who voted for Francois in the GE should have their right to vote removed in future.

[jonty]

Why did the chlorinated chicken cross the Atlantic? To get to UK supermarkets.

Despite every Tory Brexit politician claiming that Brexit won't result in lower food standards and "We'll never allow chlorinated chicken here", today the Government quietly rolled over and allowed the US the right to sell chlorinated chicken and hormone fed beef in UK shops. Thanks Brexit peeps.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html

Chlorinated chicken is already here. Boris is just a chlorinated chicken in a suit!

[Glory Lurker]

Why did the chlorinated chicken cross the Atlantic? To get to UK supermarkets.


Why did the chicken jump in the swimming pool?

[Callum_62]

I know I'm biased, but really anyone who voted for Francois in the GE should have their right to vote removed in future.In what way will having a royal yacht make striking trade deals easier?

NZ want a deal? Talley ho, I'm on my yacht - we will be there in 10 weeks.


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[weecounty hibby]

It's **** all about trade deals, it's all about Britannia ruling the waves and sailing into the colonies showing them how superior they are. I despair that there are still people in Scotland who are happy to be shackled to that lot

[Slavers]

https://www.ft.com/content/ffbe3980-ff77-43bf-8ba3-169a87cb0824

Unilever is to abandon its dual Anglo-Dutch corporate structure in favour of a single company based in London, reversing attempts two years ago to combine its businesses in the Netherlands.The maker of Marmite, Dove soap and Ben & Jerry’s ice cream said it would seek to integrate its Dutch entity into its UK arm, ending a legacy of Unilever’s formation from the merger of a Dutch margarine company and British soap maker Lever Brothers more than 90 years ago.

[Bristolhibby]

Hooray! You lot will all be eating humble pie when Her Majesty navigates her way around the globe on the new HMY Enterprise and seals deals with far flung exotic nations just queueing up to trade with us.

https://www.markfrancois.com/news/francois-speaks-out-westminster-new-royal-yacht

I have to say Essex is a part of the country that I can never see myself visiting.

My impression is it’s full of Mark Francois Little Englander like people.

He reminds me of my wife’s Uncle. He’s a Tw@. He lives in Hitchin in Hertfordshire though. None of her side of the family can stand him either.

J

[Hibrandenburg]

I have to say Essex is a part of the country that I can never see myself visiting.

My impression is it’s full of Mark Francois Little Englander like people.

He reminds me of my wife’s Uncle. He’s a Tw@. He lives in Hitchin in Hertfordshire though. None of her side of the family can stand him either.

J

Maybe he should stand for election, they seem to love the Alf Garnett type down south.

[lapsedhibee]

Oh dear, I wonder if people are starting to lose a bit of confidence in the UK government?
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/25/uk/uk-supports-eu-four-years-after-brexit-intl-gbr/index.html

[Mr Grieves]

https://amp.theguardian.com/science/2020/jun/26/satellite-experts-oneweb-investment-uk-galileo-brexit?__twitter_impression=true

How do we think this'll go then? I'm going for shelved after wasting a few hundred million £.

[Kato]

https://amp.theguardian.com/science/2020/jun/26/satellite-experts-oneweb-investment-uk-galileo-brexit?__twitter_impression=true

How do we think this'll go then? I'm going for shelved after wasting a few hundred million £.Needs Ann Budge's expertise and elan to fix that, or maybe she was involved.

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[lapsedhibee]

Such a lovely word. (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1277505330885386240.html)

[Kato]

Such a lovely word. (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1277505330885386240.html)

Absolute cretins.

[JeMeSouviens]

Such a lovely word. (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1277505330885386240.html)

:faf:


Having read the email in detail over breakfast I can now offer a precis.

They want compensation from someone
They do not know how much they want
They do not know why they should get it
They do not know who should pay it

They do know it's not their fault (for some reason)

Does Ann Budge have a 2nd home in France? :wink:

[HibernianJK]

Such a lovely word. (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1277505330885386240.html)

Saw this on twitter. Had a good laugh.

[grunt]

So that's the deadline for requesting an extension passed.
We are living under the control of a UK Government that is actively working to make us all worse off.
So depressing.

[weecounty hibby]

So that's the deadline for requesting an extension passed.
We are living under the control of a UK Government that is actively working to make us all worse off.
So depressing.
I feel for the young folk who could well be impacted while trying to travel and work in Europe. I am 51 now and for all of my life I've been lucky enough to be able to travel unrestricted across Europe and work with and have friends who have come to Scotland to work as well. All thrown away because of a bunch of narrow minded, blinkered, misty eyed, erses who think there is still an empire. And that's before we get into the economic downside

[grunt]

Such a lovely word. (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1277505330885386240.html)


Saw this on twitter. Had a good laugh.Sadly, funny though it is, it appears that our Twitter story is fake, or at least, the author is not who he says he is. Good while it lasted.

[Future17]

Sadly, funny though it is, it appears that our Twitter story is fake, or at least, the author is not who he says he is. Good while it lasted.

Is his last comment for your benefit? :greengrin

[grunt]

Is his last comment for your benefit? :greengrinProbably! But then, he would say that wouldn't he? :agree:
He also uses a stock photo for his profile picture.
I think a healthy dose of scepticism is warranted, especially here.

[Moulin Yarns]

Taking back control costs continues to rise.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53375713

[grunt]

Taking back control costs continues to rise.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53375713"Brexit: Britain's border checks to get £705m boost"

Boost is not the word I would have used.

[Moulin Yarns]

"Brexit: Britain's border checks to get £705m boost"

Boost is not the word I would have used.

Exactly. £705 million that we can't afford and didn't have to be wasted on this.

[Hibrandenburg]

The Empire Strikes Back

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/eu-launches-its-own-shock-and-awe-campaign-early/

[Callum_62]

https://www.businessinsider.com/liz-truss-leaked-brexit-letter-labour-demands-boris-johnson-explain-2020-7?r=US&IR=T

Luckily this is just the loony left fear mongering

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[JeMeSouviens]

From the FT - the Tories (led by Slithery Gove) up to no good.



Johnson sets up clash with Scotland and Wales over control of state aid
Devolved nations to be denied say in deciding industrial subsidies after Brexit transition ends

Peter Foster in Brighton, Mure Dickie in Edinburgh and Jim Pickard in London YESTERDAY

Boris Johnson’s government is planning to withhold power to control state aid from the UK’s devolved nations when the Brexit transition ends, in a move that will outrage Scotland and Wales.

The state aid proposal, which would give Westminster statutory powers to control policies for the entire UK, is expected to appear in a bill this autumn laying the legal foundations of a new internal market, according to two people familiar with the plans.

The legislation would further fuel accusations in Edinburgh and Cardiff — which insist that industrial subsidies are a local matter — of a post-Brexit “power grab” by London.

The legislation has already attracted controversy, as it would enable Westminster to force Scotland and Wales to accept whatever new standards on food, environment and animal welfare it agrees in future trade agreements with other countries.*

The proposals will increase constitutional tension over how to allocate powers previously exercised in Brussels that will be returned to the UK after the Brexit transition period ends on December 31.*

State aid is one of the most contentious issues in UK negotiations with the EU on their future economic relationship. The Scottish and Welsh governments have said that state aid policy should be devolved to them under current legislation, but the UK government insists it should have the power.*

The Scottish and Welsh governments have both said they want to remain closely aligned with EU state aid rules.

This will be an issue . . . it remains a difficult area

Michael Russell, Scotland’s constitutional affairs secretary, told the Financial Times last week that he had been told “absolutely nothing” about the UK government’s intentions for the bill, but that it seemed likely state aid would be included.

The Scottish government has accepted the need for a UK-wide framework, but insists the devolved nations must have a say. “This will be an issue . . . it remains a difficult area,” Mr Russell said.

Constitutional friction could help the pro-independence Scottish National party as it seeks to remain in power in Edinburgh at elections next May. Recent polls suggest the SNP is on course for a landslide and that a majority of Scottish voters already support leaving the UK.

The Welsh government is also braced for the legislation to include state aid. Its ministers hope London will promise to incorporate representation from Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland in any structure overseeing the new regime.

Mr Johnson sees the freedom to subsidise companies — and make a clean break from the EU’s state aid policies — as one of the “benefits which will directly result from leaving the EU”.*

Ministers have said that operational details of any future UK state aid regime will have to emerge “in tandem” with negotiations on the future EU-UK relationship.

Under former prime minister Theresa May, the UK government drew up legislation to transpose current EU state aid rules into UK law as part of plans to deliver a Brexit much more closely aligned with the EU.

At the time Ivan McKee, Scotland’s trade minister, said Scottish and UK officials were “broadly in agreement” on the proposed UK-wide state aid regime, despite their differences over who had legal authority over it.

The UK government said it considered the regulation of state aid to be a “reserved matter”, adding that it would continue to work with the devolved administrations to “seek to agree a modern system for supporting British business in a way that benefits all within the UK”.

Legal experts said Westminster’s decision to legislate to make state aid policy a reserved power was an implicit recognition that the government was not confident of winning the argument in court.

George Peretz QC, a lawyer at Monckton Chambers in London and an expert in EU law, said the UK government had previously contended that its undisputed powers to rule over “anti-competitive practices” also extended to state aid.

“I think that that’s not really arguable. And in seeking to settle the matter through primary legislation — if that is what occurs — it looks as if the government has now agreed that it isn’t arguable either,” he said.

[lapsedhibee]

From the FT - the Tories (led by Slithery Gove) up to no good.

Think "slithy" works better.

[JeMeSouviens]

Think "slithy" works better.

We're all through the looking glass now. :rolleyes:

[Mr Grieves]

One of the great prizes of brexit was less bureaucracy, less red tape. The reality -

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/fbc6f191-6d69-4dcb-b374-0fa6e48a9a1e

[JeMeSouviens]

One of the great prizes of brexit was less bureaucracy, less red tape. The reality -

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/fbc6f191-6d69-4dcb-b374-0fa6e48a9a1e

World leading BRITISH red tape I think you’ll find!

[Bristolhibby]

One of the great prizes of brexit was less bureaucracy, less red tape. The reality -

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/fbc6f191-6d69-4dcb-b374-0fa6e48a9a1e

Without the Paywall. Thank *** for the £350m for the NHS, eh?

British business faces £7bn red tape bill under Brexit border plan
Government’s ‘new start’ will generate 215m customs declarations a year and need 50,000 extra customs agents

British companies trading with Europe will have to absorb a post-Brexit bureaucracy burden and fill in an extra 215m customs declarations at a cost of about £7bn a year, according to government officials.

The scale of the additional red tape involved in future trade with the EU was confirmed as cabinet office minister Michael Gove laid out the government’s plans to manage the UK’s borders in a 206-page document that included the admission: “Customs declarations are complicated.”

Mr Gove has not disputed industry estimates that some 50,000 new private sector customs agents will have to be hired by business to deal with formalities at the UK-EU border — regardless of whether the two sides reach a trade deal.


The cabinet minister was speaking on the day the government launched an upbeat advertising campaign to prepare the country for the end of the Brexit transition deal on January 1, under the strapline: “UK’s new start — let’s get going”.

In spite of business concerns that new IT, customs experts and lorry parks will not be ready by the end of the year, Mr Gove and prime minister Boris Johnson insisted that the “Project Fear” warnings of anti-Brexit campaigners would turn out to be ill-founded.

Mr Johnson claimed that the Covid-19 crisis had put the costs associated with Brexit “very much into perspective”.


But while Mr Gove told MPs that Brexit would allow Britain to set its own immigration policy and strike trade deals around the world, for businesses trading with Europe and for individuals travelling abroad for work or leisure Brexit will throw up new hurdles.

Officials confirmed that the government’s most recent estimates — first published by HM Revenue & Customs in December 2018 — were that there would be an extra 215m customs declaration forms for businesses importing or exporting goods.*

That would apply regardless of whether Britain and the EU conclude a trade deal this year with the aim of removing all tariffs and quotas. Only a fraction of the estimated 50,000 extra agents needed to handle the new customs forms have so far been recruited.

Jon Thompson, former head of HMRC, in 2018 estimated that the cost of each declaration could be £32.50, but cited a range from £20 up to a possible £55.

The estimated 215m import and export declarations made by British traders would be mirrored by the same process by counterparties in the EU, meaning some 430m forms would have to be completed in total; that will add considerably to the cost of trade across a currently open border.

Mr Gove announced £705m of extra spending for new infrastructure, jobs and technology, and the border with the EU and confirmed plans to build lorry inspection sites away from congested ports such as Dover. Officials estimate that up to a dozen may be needed.


Rachel Reeves, shadow cabinet office minister, said the extra bureaucracy was “staggering”. Last week Liz Truss, international trade secretary, raised concerns with ministerial colleagues about the delay in preparing the new border.

Julian Smith, former chief whip, said it was “deeply problematic and worrying” that the government was imposing additional costs on businesses that were already struggling with coronavirus.

Richard Burnett, head of the Road Haulage Association, warned of a serious shortage of customs agents and expressed concern about a proposed new “Smart Freight” app, that lorry drivers will have to complete in advance before travelling to ports in Kent.

Hauliers have been promised it will be ready by the end of the year, but Mr Burnett said: “That’s not that much use to say it’s ready by the end of the year. We*need to be able to ‘touch, feel and train people on the functionality for it to be working from Jan 1.”*

Meanwhile Dominic Goudie, head of international trade for the Food and Drink Federation, said the requirement that all*fish*imports and exports must have full documentation by January 1 could “hit consumers quite quickly” given that 75 per cent of UK-caught*fish*is exported to the EU, and about a third of*fish*consumed in the UK is imported from the EU.

Meanwhile, MPs criticised the government for leaving business in the dark over new customs arrangements that must operate from January between Northern Ireland and Great Britain.*

With business increasingly concerned about the lack of detail from the government, the House of Commons Northern Ireland affairs select committee called on ministers to set out exactly how the new regime will operate by October 1.*

“The government may be able to wait until the wire for clarity on customs arrangements, but business cannot,” said Simon Hoare, committee chair. “Those trading across the Irish sea have been told to prepare without knowing what to prepare for. It’s now time for them to get that clarity,”*

The Brexit withdrawal treaty keeps Northern Ireland in the UK customs territory. But the region must adhere to EU customs and single market rules to avoid a hard border with the Irish republic.

The UK government must clarify what new administrative requirements traders will face and reimburse business for any new costs incurred, said the committee.

“The situation is now urgent, and the continued lack of detail risks Northern Ireland not being prepared for the new trading arrangements, an outcome which would have significant economic consequences,” it added.*

J

[Bostonhibby]

World leading BRITISH red tape I think you’ll find!If we just wrote it on the side of a bus, 3 words maximum, it's so much simpler, especially when you're never going to deliver it.

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[lapsedhibee]

Remoaners. There was always going to be a price to pay for getting clean drinking water. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-xNroy-m88)

[JeMeSouviens]

Pro-union Welsh govt on the UK internal market bill about to be published ...


“The U.K. Government plans to sacrifice the future of the union by stealing powers from the devolved administrations.’“- Wales’ Counsel General Jeremy Miles


Ooft!

[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/08/brexit-northern-ireland-us-uk-trade-deal?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

The Americans say no trade deal if we break the withdrawal agreement.


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[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54069456

(https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54069456)



Well, that's alright then. Glad to see we have our priorities right.

[Hibrandenburg]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54069456

(https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54069456)

Well, that's alright then. Glad to see we have our priorities right.

:faf: Another chance for Brexiteers to tell pro EU supporters we won and you lost. Fantastic idea, what can possibly go wrong?

[neil7908]

Looks like no deal then:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/10/fears-grow-that-uk-is-preparing-to-quit-brexit-talks

This whole thing has been a complete and utter disaster.

In 2 months it's likely the Americans will be nearly free of Trump and able to move on. On the other hand, we'll be battling the EU in court as every Brexit supporter tell us this is the best outcome, as they desperately delete tweets from 2016 saying this will be the easiest trade deal in history and the UK holds all the cards.

[TheReg!]

Looks like no deal then:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/10/fears-grow-that-uk-is-preparing-to-quit-brexit-talks

This whole thing has been a complete and utter disaster.

In 2 months it's likely the Americans will be nearly free of Trump and able to move on. On the other hand, we'll be battling the EU in court as every Brexit supporter tell us this is the best outcome, as they desperately delete tweets from 2016 saying this will be the easiest trade deal in history and the UK holds all the cards.

You’re in cloud cuckoo land if you think Trump isn’t gonna be doing 4 more years as President.

[neil7908]

You’re in cloud cuckoo land if you think Trump isn’t gonna be doing 4 more years as President.

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion but every single opinion poll has Biden ahead by miles. I wouldn't put it past Trump to pull something illegal and crazy in the next two months but Biden is the clear favourite.

[stokesmessiah]

You’re in cloud cuckoo land if you think Trump isn’t gonna be doing 4 more years as President.

I’m not sure of this is a joke or not?

[Moulin Yarns]

I’m not sure of this is a joke or not?

Purely done to get a reaction. Guess it worked. I believe it is called trolling.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54117766

Nice one Boris. Reduce food standards and lose access to our biggest export market.

[Future17]

You’re in cloud cuckoo land if you think Trump isn’t gonna be doing 4 more years as President.

Is this like when you told us there was "absolutely no chance" of Hearts taking legal action against the SPFL?

[Callum_62]

The EU is a threat to the integrity of the UK, apparentlly

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/11/boris-johnson-eu-threat-integrity-uk/

How anyone can believe this pish is beyond me

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[Ozyhibby]

The EU is a threat to the integrity of the UK, apparentlly

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/11/boris-johnson-eu-threat-integrity-uk/

How anyone can believe this pish is beyond me

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To be fair, leaving it will probably finish it off.


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[lapsedhibee]

The EU is a threat to the integrity of the UK, apparentlly

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/11/boris-johnson-eu-threat-integrity-uk/

How anyone can believe this pish is beyond me


What's that saying about 'the bigger the lie ...'?

Oh aye, remember it now - 'the bigger the lie the more you want to slap Johnson's pus' .

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/1305552766019006469?s=19

https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1305548288221949952?s=19
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[lapsedhibee]

https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/1305552766019006469?s=19

https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1305548288221949952?s=19
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I thought I maybe detected some slight realisation in Johnson today that not only can the leader of the opposition rip the pish out of him at will, so can his stand-ins. And that's not a good thing for how he's going to be viewed by history. He might be off even before January...

[Kato]

This bit.

https://mobile.twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1305543169380093952

21st Century Churchill btw.

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[heretoday]

I thought I maybe detected some slight realisation in Johnson today that not only can the leader of the opposition rip the pish out of him at will, so can his stand-ins. And that's not a good thing for how he's going to be viewed by history. He might be off even before January...
Please God he is. What a hopeless fat sod.

[bigwheel]

Powerful. Worth a watch ...


https://twitter.com/kop202/status/1293280031276490753?s=21

[Kato]

Powerful. Worth a watch ...


https://twitter.com/kop202/status/1293280031276490753?s=21When is it ok to call those people stupid?

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[Colr]

The EU is a threat to the integrity of the UK, apparentlly

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/11/boris-johnson-eu-threat-integrity-uk/

How anyone can believe this pish is beyond me

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Well, leaving it is!

[bigwheel]

When is it ok to call those people stupid?

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I think it is more about calling out and recognising the devious and devastating architects...

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200917/255c4f1f0b4a9d8e22e8adce16ad2fb6.jpg


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200917/dcaccf51ce90f6de76abc546e361dc7c.jpg


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-54193288?__twitter_impression=true

We could end up without a trade deal with America as well.


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[lapsedhibee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-54193288?__twitter_impression=true

We could end up without a trade deal with America as well.


Pretty sure they need us more than we need them.

[cabbageandribs1875]

He might be off even before January...


i seriously hope not, he's a gift

[lapsedhibee]

i seriously hope not, he's a gift

If you mean to the indy cause, so would be Raab, Patel, Gove, Rees-Mogg etc.

[cabbageandribs1875]

If you mean to the indy cause, so would be Raab, Patel, Gove, Rees-Mogg etc.


very fair point, it would be great if baroness windbag ended up as PM, the english would grant independence for us without any S30 nonsense

[Colr]

Lorry drivers for the channel ports will need a Kent Access Paper to show they have completed the required paperwork before entering the county!

I thought Brexit would see internal borders and the breakup of the UK but I didn’t guess it would see a border in South East England!

[Callum_62]

Lorry drivers for the channel ports will need a Kent Access Paper to show they have completed the required paperwork before entering the county!

I thought Brexit would see internal borders and the breakup of the UK but I didn’t guess it would see a border in South East England!https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-michael-gove-says-lorry-drivers-will-need-kent-access-permit-to-access-county-once-transition-period-ends-12079553

No downsides right enough.

The UKs first internal border has arrived [emoji106]

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[ronaldo7]

Spain are pushing for Gibraltar to join the schengen area after the Brexit transition period ends.

Cheerio Gib. 👍

[lapsedhibee]

I thought Brexit would see internal borders and the breakup of the UK but I didn’t guess it would see a border in South East England!

All planned for long ago in this 1949 documentary:

[weecounty hibby]

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-michael-gove-says-lorry-drivers-will-need-kent-access-permit-to-access-county-once-transition-period-ends-12079553

No downsides right enough.

The UKs first internal border has arrived [emoji106]

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What currency will Kent use? This is total genius from the Tories tho. Everyone has been so focused on a potential border in the Irish sea or a border between the north and south no one expected a border within England itself.
Also looks like Gibraltar is giving the bird to them as well. What a complete cluster **** buy it's ok cos they will be taking back control and none of those foreign types will be taking their jobs/benefits* (*delete as appropriate for your fascist argument)

[LaMotta]

Brexit was supposed to turn the UK into an economic superman, but all we have ended up with are more clerks in Kent.

[Mr Grieves]

London school of economics analysis suggests UK to EU food exports will drop by over 60% if there is no deal and 22.5% if there is a deal. Not looking good for farmers or fishermen no matter what happens.

[ronaldo7]

What currency will Kent use? This is total genius from the Tories tho. Everyone has been so focused on a potential border in the Irish sea or a border between the north and south no one expected a border within England itself.
Also looks like Gibraltar is giving the bird to them as well. What a complete cluster **** buy it's ok cos they will be taking back control and none of those foreign types will be taking their jobs/benefits* (*delete as appropriate for your fascist argument)

Any word on future pensions in Kent?

[lapsedhibee]

Any word on future pensions in Kent?

:greengrin

[Future17]

Brexit was supposed to turn the UK into an economic superman, but all we have ended up with are more clerks in Kent.

I feel this has not received the recognition it deserves. :greengrin

[LaMotta]

I feel this has not received the recognition it deserves. :greengrin

:greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

Brexit was supposed to turn the UK into an economic superman, but all we have ended up with are more clerks in Kent.

Ba-doom-tish!

:top marks

[Bostonhibby]

I feel this has not received the recognition it deserves. :greengrinAgreed, bloody funny. [emoji23]

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[CropleyWasGod]

Moan the Swiss....

BBC News - Switzerland referendum: Voters reject end to free movement with EU
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54316316

[Bristolhibby]

Moan the Swiss....

BBC News - Switzerland referendum: Voters reject end to free movement with EU
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54316316

And BTW the Swiss have referenda on virtually everything. Meaning “once in a generation” is never uttered in Switzerland.

They seem to be doing OK.

J

[cabbageandribs1875]

24005

oh oh

[Kato]

24005

oh oh


Any sign of the sunny uplands yet?

Who's gonna do business with us now? A weird wee Island rammed with blinkered Col Blimps who voted in a muppet, are separated from mainland Europe commercially and geographically and now proven to be incapable of keeping our word.


Whats below WTO rules?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Any sign of the sunny uplands yet?

Who's gonna do business with us now? A weird wee Island rammed with blinkered Col Blimps who voted in a muppet, are separated from mainland Europe commercially and geographically and now proven to be incapable of keeping our word.


Whats below WTO rules?

i'm not sure but does the house of lords get the final say on this law breaking ?

[Callum_62]

24005

oh ohI notice ex PM Teresa May stood by her convictions and erm, abstained.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

I notice ex PM Teresa May stood by her convictions and erm, abstained.

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as did hankcock and raab, and Nandy 'britain first' and 9 other labstainers and of course the DUP

[Mr Grieves]

UK chemicals industry ****ed

https://mobile.twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1311227567421247489

UK car industry ****ed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54345882

[SHODAN]

Can the Scottish Parliament prevent this from being passed into law in any meaningful way or was the vote to reject it essentially just a symbolic one?

[JeMeSouviens]

Can the Scottish Parliament prevent this from being passed into law in any meaningful way or was the vote to reject it essentially just a symbolic one?

It's not entirely symbolic in that there is a convention that the SP should be happy with things that Westminster legislates in devolved areas. However, it's just a convention, ultimately Westminster is sovereign.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative_consent_motion

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54370226


'mon the EU :greengrin

[Kato]

Is there any aspect of what was put forward by the pro-Brexit side leading up to the vote which wasn't a lie and/or a crock?

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[JeMeSouviens]

Is there any aspect of what was put forward by the pro-Brexit side leading up to the vote which wasn't a lie and/or a crock?

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BLUE* passports.



* actually, when I had one, I thought it was black. :confused:

[Moulin Yarns]

BLUE* passports.



* actually, when I had one, I thought it was black. :confused:


was it this colour?


or was it this colour?

[Callum_62]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54370226


'mon the EU :greengrinThank goodness this has been the easiest deal in history

Must be a nightmare if it was a tricky deal to secure

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[ronaldo7]

Thank goodness this has been the easiest deal in history

Must be a nightmare if it was a tricky deal to secure

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If only he'd switched the oven on.

[Kato]

BLUE* passports.



* actually, when I had one, I thought it was black. :confused:Forgot about that one and even though we could have had them all along and there was no uniform colour imposed by the EU, that was the most important aspect (along with bendy fifty p pieces.)

Bigger than any trade agreement or the Good Friday Agreement.

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[Callum_62]

https://amp.lbc.co.uk/news/immigration-bill-end-freedom-movement-defeated-house-lords/?__twitter_impression=true

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[Kato]

https://amp.lbc.co.uk/news/immigration-bill-end-freedom-movement-defeated-house-lords/?__twitter_impression=true

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[cabbageandribs1875]

pleased to see the STUC speak out against the internal market bill

24021

[Mr Grieves]

Did anybody watch channel 4 dispatches about US food standards?

https://mobile.twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1315381869479890944

I think most of the UK public are against letting this stuff in and the farmers certainly aren't happy. The government have promised they won't lower food standards but they've failed to put it into law at every opportunity.

[Just Alf]

Did anybody watch channel 4 dispatches about US food standards?

https://mobile.twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1315381869479890944

I think most of the UK public are against letting this stuff in and the farmers certainly aren't happy. The government have promised they won't lower food standards but they've failed to put it into law at every opportunity.They actually voted against it being put into law, polar opposite of what they promised at the last election.

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[Just Alf]

https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761?s=19

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[Callum_62]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-lorry-drivers-portaloos-kent-queues-transport-b1034479.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1602671048

Kent locals must be really pleased with these developments

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[Since90+2]

Good to see all the fantastic benefits of Brexit are now being seen.

Honestly, how the **** did the majority of voters think this was a good idea?

[SHODAN]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-lorry-drivers-portaloos-kent-queues-transport-b1034479.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1602671048

Kent locals must be really pleased with these developments

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They voted 59% Leave. They should be delighted. :aok:

[Bostonhibby]

Good to see all the fantastic benefits of Brexit are now being seen.

Honestly, how the **** did the majority of voters think this was a good idea?If any locals are truck spotters or get caught short as they enjoy a day out at the area they've got portaloos as far as the eye can see.

Brexit delivering real benefits already. Getting what you voted for.

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[Keith_M]

If any locals are truck spotters or get caught short as they enjoy a day out at the area they've got portaloos as far as the eye can see.

Brexit delivering real benefits already. Getting what you voted for.

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If you see a bottle of what appears to be Irn Bru at the side of the road, under no circumstances should you try to drink it!

[Bostonhibby]

If you see a bottle of what appears to be Irn Bru at the side of the road, under no circumstances should you try to drink it![emoji16] once got a dent in company car roof at Dartford crossing when a lorry driver chucked what appeared to be lime cordial in a plastic bottle out the cabin. Cost the insurer £1200!

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[Callum_62]

https://www.change.org/p/kent-county-council-kent-lorry-park-to-be-named-after-nigel-farage?recruiter=false&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=share_petition&recruited_by_id=666e9340-0f38-11eb-992a-378e21e6de28&use_react=false

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[lapsedhibee]

https://www.change.org/p/kent-county-council-kent-lorry-park-to-be-named-after-nigel-farage?recruiter=false&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=share_petition&recruited_by_id=666e9340-0f38-11eb-992a-378e21e6de28&use_react=false



Signed (though I doubt there are many black farmers in Kent).

[Ozyhibby]

No deal brexit it is.


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[Hibrandenburg]

No deal brexit it is.


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Surely you mean Australian deal Brexit. :wink:

[marinello59]

No deal brexit it is.


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Anybody shocked?

[Future17]

[emoji16] once got a dent in company car roof at Dartford crossing when a lorry driver chucked what appeared to be lime cordial in a plastic bottle out the cabin. Cost the insurer £1200!

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Sounds like a load of pish. :wink:

[JeMeSouviens]

No deal brexit it is.


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Not definite. They haven't stopped negotiating. Today's waffle is mainly posturing I suspect. I think Johnson will cave like last year.

[Bostonhibby]

Sounds like a load of pish. :wink:That's what the insurers said !

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[GlesgaeHibby]

Anybody shocked?

Not in the slightest.

[weecounty hibby]

[emoji16] once got a dent in company car roof at Dartford crossing when a lorry driver chucked what appeared to be lime cordial in a plastic bottle out the cabin. Cost the insurer £1200!

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If ever there was a metaphor that described Brexit that is it. A bottle of push discarded by someone looking after themselves that others have to pick up the cost of. Perfect!

[RyeSloan]

Not definite. They haven't stopped negotiating. Today's waffle is mainly posturing I suspect. I think Johnson will cave like last year.

Waffle and posturing from both sides...of which both are past and current masters of. Has the EU ever agreed anything, even with itself, without going down to and beyond the wire?

I’d be shocked and stunned if anyone thought that any of the parties would go about this in a grown up and sensible manner!

[Kato]

Has the EU ever agreed anything, even with itself, without going down to and beyond the wire?



Probably lots of things - with a degree of amicability too.

[RyeSloan]

Probably lots of things - with a degree of amicability too.

You mean just like the walk out last week by European Parliament budget negotiators from their discussions with member states?

Come on...every major deal, budget, treaty or whatever has always relied on brinksmanship (and another vote or two if the pesky residents didn’t agree the first time around). It’s the way the EU has always done it.

I was merely pointing out that expecting anything less this time around, esp. after adding Boris in to the mix, would have been rather foolhardy.

[Kato]

You mean just like the walk out last week by European Parliament budget negotiators from their discussions with member states?

Come on...every major deal, budget, treaty or whatever has always relied on brinksmanship (and another vote or two if the pesky residents didn’t agree the first time around). It’s the way the EU has always done it.

I was merely pointing out that expecting anything less this time around, esp. after adding Boris in to the mix, would have been rather foolhardy.

I reckon Johnson et al are getting exactly what they want. If the EU blink it means breaking the GFA, they won't do that.

[Glory Lurker]

I reckon Johnson et al are getting exactly what they want. If the EU blink it means breaking the GFA, they won't do that.

I don't think that is where it's at just now. It's down to fishing and state aid. I don't think the EU can blink on either of these, and definitely not state aid, but if they do it won't affect the GFA. The UK has exclusivity on breaking that through the Internal Market Bill/Act.

[Colr]

I don't think that is where it's at just now. It's down to fishing and state aid. I don't think the EU can blink on either of these, and definitely not state aid, but if they do it won't affect the GFA. The UK has exclusivity on breaking that through the Internal Market Bill/Act.

I think fishing will be resolved. It’s a symbolic sector and not massively important economically. Macron has already softened up the French side for compromise.

The state aid argument is a load of horse **** anyway as most of the things to tories talk (i.e. lie) about investing in a re not restricted anyway - unless this is to do with rinding ways to funnel more public money into the pockets of their friends without being held to account which is entirely possible but why would the EU care about that!

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/TheBirmingham6/status/1317365227122458624?s=19

"they've banged"

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[Mr Grieves]

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1317804459137925120?s=20

Gove is some boy, absolutely shameless.

[Chuck Rhoades]

If only the tens of millions who probably sat mainly in the remain camp executed their right to vote we wouldn’t be in this mess.

[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1317804459137925120?s=20

Gove is some boy, absolutely shameless.

"Some boy" makes him sound like a loveable scallywag.

He's deeply sinister and evil, I think he's the worst of the current bunch, who are the worst of all time.

I can't stand Gove, he's everything that I loathe.

[Jones28]

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1317804459137925120?s=20

Gove is some boy, absolutely shameless.

All these people are the same; no shame, no regrets, no remorse and absolutely no culpability.

[Mr Grieves]

"Some boy" makes him sound like a loveable scallywag.

He's deeply sinister and evil, I think he's the worst of the current bunch, who are the worst of all time.

I can't stand Gove, he's everything that I loathe.

Just to be sure, I think he's a slimy little piece of ****. I just find his ability to lie with such self assurance incredible.

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/GaryBurgessCI/status/1316772704587067394?s=19

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[Keith_M]

I must admit that I'm confused about the EU's demands for continued rights to fish in UK waters. Surely if the UK is no longer part of the EU, then there is no automatic right?

I get how a trade deal would have to work both ways but I don't really get their argument with this one, as it appears to be a one-way street.


Or am I missing something?

:confused:

[CapitalGreen]

I must admit that I'm confused about the EU's demands for continued rights to fish in UK waters. Surely if the UK is no longer part of the EU, then there is no automatic right?

I get how a trade deal would have to work both ways but I don't really get their argument with this one, as it appears to be a one-way street.


Or am I missing something?

:confused:

Presumably if the UK wants to trade their fish tariff free with the EU they need to grant free access of UK fishing waters to the EU. If the EU was to remove tariffs on the UK for fish but EU fisherman were prevented from accessing UK waters then the UK fishermen would have a competitive advantage over fishermen from EU member states.

[Keith_M]

Presumably if the UK wants to trade their fish tariff free with the EU they need to grant free access of UK fishing waters to the EU. If the EU was to remove tariffs on the UK for fish but EU fisherman were prevented from accessing UK waters then the UK fishermen would have a competitive advantage over fishermen from EU member states.


Thanks,

I'll need to look up what the fish tariffs are then have a think about it...

[Peevemor]

This is where Scottish independence becomes even more problematic for Wesminster. The Scottish fishing waters are hugely important to the EU.

[Ozyhibby]

Thanks,

I'll need to look up what the fish tariffs are then have a think about it...

It’s a trade deal. The want access to our fish, we want access to things they have. It’s not that we or they have a right to anything. Fishing rights would have been traded away ages ago as they are a tiny part of the economy but for the fact it’s symbolic to the brexiteers.


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[Bristolhibby]

This is where Scottish independence becomes even more problematic for Wesminster. The Scottish fishing waters are hugely important to the EU.

Can really see the EU courting Scotland during the FINAL Indy ref.

Not going to be the deafening silence like last time.

J

[Bristolhibby]

It’s a trade deal. The want access to our fish, we want access to things they have. It’s not that we or they have a right to anything. Fishing rights would have been traded away ages ago as they are a tiny part of the economy but for the fact it’s symbolic to the brexiteers.


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I know right. Why fishing seems to be up on some pedestal.

It makes up a fraction of the trade being disrupted from no deal BREXIT.

Yet like, the Spitfire, the white cliffs of Dover and Winston Churchill, it makes Brexit supporters well up.

J

[lapsedhibee]

Yet like, the Spitfire, the white cliffs of Dover and Winston Churchill, it makes Brexit supporters well up.


No point in Ruling The Waves if we can't harvest the fish in them, what?

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/DavidGHFrost/status/1318946907213959170?s=19

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[Bostonhibby]

No point in Ruling The Waves if we can't harvest the fish in them, what?Okay, we'll fight them on the beaches then.

But not when Wetherspoons is open or there's football on the telly.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201022/e729077268317e64192b9a08f0f50b87.jpg


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[Kato]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201022/e729077268317e64192b9a08f0f50b87.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk***** business.

Feel those sunlit uplands.

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[McSwanky]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201022/e729077268317e64192b9a08f0f50b87.jpg


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Woohoo! Higher prices and less choice! What's not to like? :faint:

[lapsedhibee]

What's not to like?
Blue passports. Won't that cause a lot of confusion when Scotland starts to issue its own? Presuming they'll want to be blue too.

[Moulin Yarns]

Blue passports. Won't that cause a lot of confusion when Scotland starts to issue its own? Presuming they'll want to be blue too.

Only scottish passports would be undisputably blue as opposed to black, but we'll call them blue, in the remaining part of the UK.

[Jones28]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201022/e729077268317e64192b9a08f0f50b87.jpg


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Can you feel the sovereignty?

[Bristolhibby]

Blue passports. Won't that cause a lot of confusion when Scotland starts to issue its own? Presuming they'll want to be blue too.

Scotland should issue them in proper blue (not blue / black) especially once we rejoin the EU.

Top trolling.

J

[lapsedhibee]

Scotland should issue them in proper blue (not blue / black) especially once we rejoin the EU.

Top trolling.

J

What about a unicorn on the front? Or does HM Passport Office own the image rights to that?

[jonty]

Woohoo! Higher prices and less choice! What's not to like? :faint:
(off topic)

a username that no longer gets *** out?
or were you rather partial to it? :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201022/e729077268317e64192b9a08f0f50b87.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThink of all the VAT they could raise from all those lorries being parked in newly created lorry parks in the brexit heartland of Kent?

Camp sites and other temporary accomodation for all those truckers, hundreds of fast food wagons, not to mention all the extra security jobs. Trebles all round.

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[lapsedhibee]

Interesting idea that Johnson is waiting for the result of the US election before deciding to cave in to the EU. Biden isn't impressed with his pish so if Trump loses Johnson'll be obliged to agree to whatever the EU offers. We'll soon find out.

[Bostonhibby]

Interesting idea that Johnson is waiting for the result of the US election before deciding to cave in to the EU. Biden isn't impressed with his pish so if Trump loses Johnson'll be obliged to agree to whatever the EU offers. We'll soon find out.There's potentially something in this, Bozo isn't so much a leader as a front man to rabble rouse and deliver slogans,bereft of a vision that's sustainable he will be looking for a way out and someone or some event to give them the direction they so sadly lack.

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[neil7908]

Interesting idea that Johnson is waiting for the result of the US election before deciding to cave in to the EU. Biden isn't impressed with his pish so if Trump loses Johnson'll be obliged to agree to whatever the EU offers. We'll soon find out.

Embarrassing that is the case. Taking a suicidal political and economic road, with key decisions based on the whims of an unpredictable and incompetent foreign leader.

[Killiehibbie]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201022/e729077268317e64192b9a08f0f50b87.jpg


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But VAT was a imposed on us by the EEC. I'm sure I heard it would be abolished once we left.

[Moulin Yarns]

But VAT was a imposed on us by the EEC. I'm sure I heard it would be abolished once we left.

Aye, but it got rid of the Purchase Tax. 🤔

[Killiehibbie]

Aye, but it got rid of the Purchase Tax. 🤔

That can't be right :wink:

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/1319715856511893504?s=21

Brexit effect on our exports shown clearly here.


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[McSwanky]

(off topic)

a username that no longer gets *** out?
or were you rather partial to it? :greengrin

Best. Update. Ever. :thumbsup:

[superfurryhibby]

Can anyone explain why we need trade deals with the USA after Brexit?

Shipping goods across the Atlantic can't be environmentally friendly and what do they make/have that we can't carry on trading with EU nations for anyway?

[Ozyhibby]

Can anyone explain why we need trade deals with the USA after Brexit?

Shipping goods across the Atlantic can't be environmentally friendly and what do they make/have that we can't carry on trading with EU nations for anyway?

Trade is a good thing. It brings cheaper goods for consumers and keeps suppliers from ripping off consumers.
There are lots of goods we get from American companies.


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[superfurryhibby]

Trade is a good thing. It brings cheaper goods for consumers and keeps suppliers from ripping off consumers.
There are lots of goods we get from American companies.


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Trade that has a big nasty carbon footprint isn’t the future. Competition hasn’t always brought down prices for the consumer. It was a Tory mantra though.

I’m wondering what these goods are that you mention?

Also, trade that has huge provisos attached , like tendering for NHS contracts as part of the conditions, that doesn’t strike me as reasonable. That’s why I wonder why a trade deal with the USA is necessary and why can’t we source goods from elsewhere.

[Smartie]

Trade is a 2 way street.

I'm sure the Scottish whisky industry, just to quote one, wouldn't exactly be delighted if we wrote off the American market.

Trump may be a complete fud, but that doesn't mean we should write off the importance of having a good relationship with the USA. The more good relationships you have, the better. Trump would disagree, but that's a big part of his problem.

[JeMeSouviens]

Trade is a good thing. It brings cheaper goods for consumers and keeps suppliers from ripping off consumers.
There are lots of goods we get from American companies.


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As a general point I agree. However, when you look at some of the things the US will want - lower acceptable standards in food, animal welfare etc., strengthening intellectual property rights for big pharma - it might not be worth the projected 0.2% uplift to UK GDP.

[Ozyhibby]

As a general point I agree. However, when you look at some of the things the US will want - lower acceptable standards in food, animal welfare etc., strengthening intellectual property rights for big pharma - it might not be worth the projected 0.2% uplift to UK GDP.

Oh I agree with that. It should never be a free for all. Deals need to be done that protect consumer standards. Mine was just a general point that trade is good.


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[Glory Lurker]

You’ll have had you US trade deal, Boris?

[Ozyhibby]

You’ll have had you US trade deal, Boris?

I think this now means that Johnson will take whatever deal the EU offer as he can’t afford to upset Biden about the Good Friday Agreement.


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[Glory Lurker]

I think this now means that Johnson will take whatever deal the EU offer as he can’t afford to upset Biden about the Good Friday Agreement.


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Exactly. He’s lost what little control he had over it all. If I didn’t live in the UK I’d find it hilarious.

[weecounty hibby]

The Tories will now be in a state of panic about trade deals now. The commentary will now change to getting any kind of deal from Europe and then spinning that as some kind of success. Ducking useless shower of charlatans

[cabbageandribs1875]

from 2018

24091


Haw Haw moggy

[lapsedhibee]

Exactly. He’s lost what little control he had over it all. If I didn’t live in the UK I’d find it hilarious.

Don't believe that Johnson will lose a moment's sleep over what trade deals he does or doesn't get with the US or the EU. Think he'll have an eye on what sort of legal proceedings are brought against Trump though, as Johnson is shirley up to his neck here in financial corruption.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/the_chrisshaw/status/1325146317287526400?s=21

An idea of how much value Biden puts in GFA. That and the fact they hate Johnson anyway means Johnson will have to beg for an EU trade deal now.


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[Glory Lurker]

https://twitter.com/the_chrisshaw/status/1325146317287526400?s=21

An idea of how much value Biden puts in GFA. That and the fact they hate Johnson anyway means Johnson will have to beg for an EU trade deal now.


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Is that from today?

[Bostonhibby]

You’ll have had you US trade deal, Boris?Don't panic, Nigel's got this.

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[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/Iancoll94354676/status/1325187665239572480?s=19

Another Brexit win.

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[Colr]

With Biden winning in the US, I predict a hasty deal with the EU in which the UK will concede most of its current positions due to a position of weakness.

Farridge will then go ape****! Again!

[lapsedhibee]

Vote Leave crew falling out with each other and flouncing out/threatening to flounce out of government. Cummings said five months ago that he might leave his job in six months. Anyone get a feeling that they know the ****storm that's coming in January? Johnson probably beefing up a sicknote so that he can resign soon 'with dignity' :faf:

[Ozyhibby]

Vote Leave crew falling out with each other and flouncing out/threatening to flounce out of government. Cummings said five months ago that he might leave his job in six months. Anyone get a feeling that they know the ****storm that's coming in January? Johnson probably beefing up a sicknote so that he can resign soon 'with dignity' :faf:

The falling out might be down to the fact Johnson is about to capitulate to the EU and sign whatever is put in front of him. Biden’s election has changed everything.


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[Scorrie]

The falling out might be down to the fact Johnson is about to capitulate to the EU and sign whatever is put in front of him. Biden’s election has changed everything.


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I think you’re right. There’s going to blood in the walls of No 10 in the next few days as Brexit deadline looms. Biden’s commitment to the Good Friday Agreement and Ireland changes a lot in terms of UK US future trade deals etc

[cabbageandribs1875]

24100

[Kato]

24100Good to get rid of that silly red tape which makes our chicken so cheap.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Good to get rid of that silly red tape which makes our chicken so cheap.

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i was reading the other day the uk imports between 75-80% of tomatoes, 100% oranges, only 23% of veg and fruit eaten here is produced in the uk, but it's ok our loss of human rights will compensate for big price increases coming our way.

[weecounty hibby]

World's biggest trading bloc just been created in Asia. How foolish of them. Surely it's better to be out on your own with no trading partners to work with??!!

[Kato]

World's biggest trading bloc just been created in Asia. How foolish of them. Surely it's better to be out on your own with no trading partners to work with??!!Especially the countries on your doorstep. Madness having a trading bloc with them.

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[CropleyWasGod]

World's biggest trading bloc just been created in Asia. How foolish of them. Surely it's better to be out on your own with no trading partners to work with??!!

If you listen closely, you can hear the sweet sounds of Antipodeans softly singing....

"That's for 1973, you ****ing Pommie *******s. ...."

[lapsedhibee]

EU, population 390 million, secures 300 million doses Moderna vaccine.
UK population, 60 million, secures 5 million doses.

Thank **** we're free.

[Since90+2]

EU, population 390 million, secures 300 million doses Moderna vaccine.
UK population, 60 million, secures 5 million doses.

Thank **** we're free.

So we've got enough of that vaccine for 2.5 million people and won't get it until spring at the earliest.

Brexit - remind me what we actually gain out of this again?

[Killiehibbie]

So we've got enough of that vaccine for 2.5 million people and won't get it until spring at the earliest.

Brexit - remind me what we actually gain out of this again?

By that time we'll all be bursting with antibodies and no vaccine required.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/54798942?__twitter_impression=true

West Coast fishing fleet considering registering in NI to beat tariffs

[lapsedhibee]

Brexit - remind me what we actually gain out of this again?

"Soy sauce not costing more, except for the sort nearly everyone buys."

[Keith_M]

...

Brexit - remind me what we actually gain out of this again?


Nigel Farage won't have Romanian neighbours (https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukips-nigel-farage-tells-lbc-radio-i-dont-want-romanians-my-neighbours-audio-1448900)?

[The Modfather]

Nigel Farage won't have Romanian neighbours (https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukips-nigel-farage-tells-lbc-radio-i-dont-want-romanians-my-neighbours-audio-1448900)?

Romanians might end up having Nigel Farage as a neighbour given he said he’d live abroad if (when) Brexit is a disaster.

[Bostonhibby]

Romanians might end up having Nigel Farage as a neighbour given he said he’d live abroad if (when) Brexit is a disaster.His immediate family all have German passports so maybe he'll pop up there?



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[Hibrandenburg]

His immediate family all have German passports so maybe he'll pop up there?



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That's the first positive argument for a no deal Brexit that I've heard.

[Bostonhibby]

That's the first positive argument for a no deal Brexit that I've heard.He might want to move to be closer to the source of his EU pension entitlements [emoji6]

It's only 73k a year but every little helps.

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[Mr Grieves]

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2020/nov/17/police-warn-no-deal-brexit-would-have-major-operational-impact?__twitter_impression=true

Absolute madness that this is potentially happening in six weeks time.

[Callum_62]

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2020/nov/17/police-warn-no-deal-brexit-would-have-major-operational-impact?__twitter_impression=true

Absolute madness that this is potentially happening in six weeks time.Project fear.

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[Kato]

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2020/nov/17/police-warn-no-deal-brexit-would-have-major-operational-impact?__twitter_impression=true

Absolute madness that this is potentially happening in six weeks time.Never mind. Smell that beautiful sovereignty on the horizon and schools wont have to obey all those silly laws the EU have lumbered us with.

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[Hibrandenburg]

Never mind. Smell that beautiful sovereignty on the horizon and schools wont have to obey all those silly laws the EU have lumbered us with.

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We can finally get back to using those almost completely pink maps in geography class.

[lapsedhibee]

We can finally get back to using those almost completely pink maps in geography class.

Bit of an outrage that we're still using decimal money tbh.

[Kato]

Bit of an outrage that we're still using decimal money tbh.Don't worry we'll be back to sovereigns and groats asap.
That or bartering rat carcasses.

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[Peevemor]

Blue passports! I'm almost crying with emotion as I type.

[Bostonhibby]

Never mind. Smell that beautiful sovereignty on the horizon and schools wont have to obey all those silly laws the EU have lumbered us with.

Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkI can see 2 definite deliverables, the all important blue passports we always could have had regardless and the ability to have our own shape of cucumbers which was critical to our national identity for many.

We will still have to import most of the cucumbers from Spain but there will be loads of job opportunities reshaping them when they arrive into the newly formed mega holding area that is currently being carved into the Kent countryside.

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[Moulin Yarns]

black passports! I'm almost crying with emotion as i type.

ftfy

Printed in France by johnny foreigner

[Kato]

I can see 2 definite deliverables, the all important blue passports we always could have had regardless and the ability to have our own shape of cucumbers which was critical to our national identity for many.

We will still have to import most of the cucumbers from Spain but there will be loads of job opportunities reshaping them when they arrive into the newly formed mega holding area that is currently being carved into the Kent countryside.

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[Bostonhibby]

Am investing in the black market for straight bananas, those remoaners will lap them up.

Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkGood shout, and wait until we move back to imperial weights and measures.

No one will actually know how the old hanging scales and imperial weights work and since working out metric measurements were so problematic there's got to be a chance to live the Tory dream by underweighing and over pricing the unique Britannia black banana.

You might need to get an American jeweller to recruit a Spanish spiv to buy the bananas from China for you though.

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[lapsedhibee]

Farage's spell wearing off now.

https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1328798307032961026

[JeMeSouviens]

Farage's spell wearing off now.

https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1328798307032961026

It wore off a while ago. But you only need 40% for a big majority, good old fptp :rolleyes:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElUfBEOWMAAwzjd.jpg:large

[Hibrandenburg]

Rumours that some EU countries are concerned that Barnier might be giving the UK too many concessions and if so they'll push for a no deal Brexit.

[Moulin Yarns]

Live footage of the UK leaving the EU https://t.co/AXgxOsYymH

[Kato]

Food shortages and inflationary effects on food prices. Who would have guessed. We can always live on that cheaper footwear Lord Snooty drones on about.

https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/brexit/food-industry-fears-brexit-worst-case-scenario-is-now-the-reality/650589.article?utm_source=Daily News (The Grocer)&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-11-20&c=

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[Ozyhibby]

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[Bristolhibby]

I can see 2 definite deliverables, the all important blue passports we always could have had regardless and the ability to have our own shape of cucumbers which was critical to our national identity for many.

We will still have to import most of the cucumbers from Spain but there will be loads of job opportunities reshaping them when they arrive into the newly formed mega holding area that is currently being carved into the Kent countryside.

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And Langoustine. We are now free to eat all the Scottish Langoustine we can eat as our French and Spanish market has rightfully been closed off.

J

[Bostonhibby]

Deep fried langoustine, non french fries, and a pickled egg?

Will easily replace that over priced cod in the national psyche.



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[HibernianJK]

Sunderland Nissan plant to close costing 7000 jobs.

[marinello59]

Sunderland Nissan plant to close costing 7000 jobs.

Nissan have denied it.

[Radium]

Sunderland Nissan plant to close costing 7000 jobs.


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[hibsbollah]

Sunderland Nissan plant to close costing 7000 jobs.

7000 directly, but more like 30,000 when you include the supply chain companies directly dependent on Nissan work. It’s about the grimmest city in England as it is, this will basically finish it off. I can’t see Nissan and companies like it surviving Brexit because the entire company’s business model is based on JIT which can’t function without tariff free trade :dunno:

[H18 SFR]

Sunderland Nissan plant to close costing 7000 jobs.

So many Sunderland residents wanted Brexit. Can’t say I’m surprised at this.

[Ozyhibby]

Sunderland Nissan plant to close costing 7000 jobs.

Project fear.[emoji849]


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[Smartie]

So many Sunderland residents wanted Brexit. Can’t say I’m surprised at this.

I don’t think I can ever recall a situation more like “turkeys voting for Christmas” in my life.

[heretoday]

I voted against Brexit but now it's here I hope it's a success.
We all do, don't we?

[lapsedhibee]

I voted against Brexit but now it's here I hope it's a success.
We all do, don't we?

It'll be a success if the tax-dodgers who engineered it end up paying less tax than they otherwise would. What else are you hoping for? :dunno:

[Since90+2]

I voted against Brexit but now it's here I hope it's a success.
We all do, don't we?

It makes no difference if we all hope it's a success. It won't be. It never could be from the start.

[Kato]

It'll be a success if the tax-dodgers who engineered it end up paying less tax than they otherwise would. What else are you hoping for? :dunno:Brexit is here? I thought it had been and gone.

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[lapsedhibee]

Brexit is here? I thought it had been and gone.

:agree: HMPO have been issuing non-burgundy passports for ages now.

[Kato]

:agree: HMPO have been issuing non-burgundy passports for ages now.We have brexited, past tense.

Now the reality of trading, or not, on our own with the rest of the world kicks in. Brexit is a thing of the past.

For "success" we need to sell goods and buy them at the best prices we can get.

That's just Trade. Imports and Exports, balance of payments etc. Brexit isnt a concept that deals with that sh@t, only the skills of our business people and the ones that call themselves politicians can deal with it and make the future a success or not.

Reality, not some dinky abstract catch-phrase.

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[weecounty hibby]

I voted against Brexit but now it's here I hope it's a success.
We all do, don't we?
Sadly, hoping it's going to be a success and not actually having a plan is what the brexiteers have done as well. Never has a whole country been so suckered by a bunch of chancers ever before. And it won't be a success, all the indications are that it's going to be a disaster

[Hibrandenburg]

Sadly, hoping it's going to be a success and not actually having a plan is what the brexiteers have done as well. Never has a whole country been so suckered by a bunch of chancers ever before. And it won't be a success, all the indications are that it's going to be a disaster

Cough cough.....Germany.

[Hibrandenburg]

Sadly, hoping it's going to be a success and not actually having a plan is what the brexiteers have done as well. Never has a whole country been so suckered by a bunch of chancers ever before. And it won't be a success, all the indications are that it's going to be a disaster

Cough, sneeze, sniffles....USA

[neil7908]

I voted against Brexit but now it's here I hope it's a success.
We all do, don't we?

Of course. I'll happily admit I was wrong if this becomes a massive economic boost for the country.

However, I think we know the Brexiteers won't do likewise. If its the disaster we're expecting then they won't take a shred of the blame, it'll be remoaners, the liberal media, the EU etc all at fault.

One of the worst narratives I've seen on Brexit, and it's shockingly common, is that we need to get behind Brexit for it to be a success. It's not a football team, the idea that if everyone suddenly believed in the magic of Brexit we'd get everything we want is utter fairy tale nonsense.

[weecounty hibby]

Cough cough.....Germany.

Excellent motorway system! At least one positive. Can't see anything positive about Brexit

[weecounty hibby]

Cough, sneeze, sniffles....USA
Aye, ok. Got that one. Very similar though

[Kato]

Of course. I'll happily admit I was wrong if this becomes a massive economic boost for the country.

However, I think we know the Brexiteers won't do likewise. If its the disaster we're expecting...



For disaster capitalists disaster = success, as long as the timing is right.

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[JeMeSouviens]

Of course. I'll happily admit I was wrong if this becomes a massive economic boost for the country.

However, I think we know the Brexiteers won't do likewise. If its the disaster we're expecting then they won't take a shred of the blame, it'll be remoaners, the liberal media, the EU etc all at fault.

One of the worst narratives I've seen on Brexit, and it's shockingly common, is that we need to get behind Brexit for it to be a success. It's not a football team, the idea that if everyone suddenly believed in the magic of Brexit we'd get everything we want is utter fairy tale nonsense.

The only way I can see it being an economic boost is by taking a big hit on employment rights/protections, environmental standards, food safety etc. It certainly won't be boosting those at the bottom end of the wealth spectrum.

It's a nailed on disaster any way you slice it, afaics.

[Mr Grieves]

2021 hoping not to be outdone by 2020

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/24/uk-facing-risk-of-systemic-economic-crisis-official-paper-says?__twitter_impression=true

[Bristolhibby]

The only way I can see it being an economic boost is by taking a big hit on employment rights/protections, environmental standards, food safety etc. It certainly won't be boosting those at the bottom end of the wealth spectrum.

It's a nailed on disaster any way you slice it, afaics.

Race to the bottom market forces. A Tory’s wet dream.

Thing is, we can’t even compete to being the worst employers. That’s reaevered for the likes of India, China, Pakistan, etc.

Where will that leave us? Low skilled low value economy who can’t trade with the EU on a level playing field due to how shady our goods are. Oh and forget the City of London. Bye, bye.

J

[Moulin Yarns]

What to expect from US imports. :wink:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55097091

[Moulin Yarns]

Probably not the most relevant post but...

Watched Mortal Engines last night. A fantasy film, but there are some interesting references.

London is a predator city that has crossed into Europe and is devouring everything in its path and the citizens cheer as they watch. A nuclear weapon is being built in St Paul's.

[StevieC]

Probably not the most relevant post but...

Watched Mortal Engines last night. A fantasy film, but there are some interesting references.

London is a predator city that has crossed into Europe and is devouring everything in its path and the citizens cheer as they watch. A nuclear weapon is being built in St Paul's.

Ultimately though, it’s brought to a grinding halt and the population have to sheepishly exit and seek help and refuge from the Europeans they had tried to crush. Brilliant. :wink:

[Keith_M]

So, now only thirty three days to go. Have Boris & Co made any kind of deal with the EU yet?

[Moulin Yarns]

Ultimately though, it’s brought to a grinding halt and the population have to sheepishly exit and seek help and refuge from the Europeans they had tried to crush. Brilliant. :wink:

:agree::greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

So, now only thirty three days to go. Have Boris & Co made any kind of deal with the EU yet?Too busy making fantastic, world beating deals everywhere else.

Well El Salvador then, exporting second hand elastic bands to them.

I made that bit up as I can't liz Truss being able to work out how an elastic band works.

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[lapsedhibee]

Doomsters and gloomsters having a field day just because UKGov have ****** up a bit of Brexit planning:

https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1334500715448954885

Whining that the Farage Garage won't be ready on time, not properly planned, bla bla.

But the joke's on the doomsters, because EU hauliers have already indicated they won't bother sending lorries to the UK after Jan 1, so there's no desperate need for all this extra lorry capacity anyway!

[Callum_62]

Doomsters and gloomsters having a field day just because UKGov have ****** up a bit of Brexit planning:

https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1334500715448954885

Whining that the Farage Garage won't be ready on time, not properly planned, bla bla.

But the joke's on the doomsters, because EU hauliers have already indicated they won't bother sending lorries to the UK after Jan 1, so there's no desperate need for all this extra lorry capacity anyway!On which case we should just turn that space into a brexit memorial

Actually, it's looking like a fair representation of Brexit at the moment

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[Bristolhibby]

We have brexited, past tense.

Now the reality of trading, or not, on our own with the rest of the world kicks in. Brexit is a thing of the past.

For "success" we need to sell goods and buy them at the best prices we can get.

That's just Trade. Imports and Exports, balance of payments etc. Brexit isnt a concept that deals with that sh@t, only the skills of our business people and the ones that call themselves politicians can deal with it and make the future a success or not.

Reality, not some dinky abstract catch-phrase.

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I think where people are confused is that we are still in the transition period. Whereby we have “Brexited”, but continue to trade, have freedom of movement, and all the other benefits as if we were a full EU Member.

This is where people are confused. For me this had been BINO, Brexit in name only. The full affects to our lives kick in in on the 31st December when the transition ends.

J

[Bristolhibby]

Doomsters and gloomsters having a field day just because UKGov have ****** up a bit of Brexit planning:

https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1334500715448954885

Whining that the Farage Garage won't be ready on time, not properly planned, bla bla.

But the joke's on the doomsters, because EU hauliers have already indicated they won't bother sending lorries to the UK after Jan 1, so there's no desperate need for all this extra lorry capacity anyway!

And the goods that we need to import from the EU? Not that the EU are just deciding to file the U.K. under “too difficult to make a profit”.

J

[lapsedhibee]

And the goods that we need to import from the EU?

We'll make our own Prosecco and tomatoes. We invented the bouncing bomb ffs!

[Kato]

And the goods that we need to import from the EU? Not that the EU are just deciding to file the U.K. under “too difficult to make a profit”.

JThe lack of hauliers won't be an EU decision, I doubt it's in their power to instruct lorries not to come here. Companies in Europe are just not taking jobs which means coming to to UK. It's a commercial decision rather than a political one, why have a lorry tied up for 12 hours in some car park when there is plenty work on the mainland.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnShirleyLtd/status/1334130032957136897

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[Keith_M]

I was watching some old episodes of Have I Got News For You on catch-up last night and saw one from October last year where they talked about Boris finally making a Brexit deal and how ridiculous it was that it had taken so long.

Oh how we laughed....

[Moulin Yarns]

Oh goody

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/north-macedonia-and-uk-sign-partnership-trade-and-cooperation-agreement

The same country that is on it's way to joining the EU

https://ecfr.eu/article/how-to-advance-a-european-solution-to-bulgarias-and-north-macedonias-dispute/