Brexit - What Now.

[Bangkok Hibby]

It's not except in so far as the networks are now not legally prevented from introducing these charges. There is no cost or organisational imperative for them to do so. They can introduce them so they are.

They said in January they weren't going to do so, this is just straight forward company profiteering.

I completely agree with you. Just another aspect of "rip off Britain"

[JeMeSouviens]

It's not except in so far as the networks are now not legally prevented from introducing these charges. There is no cost or organisational imperative for them to do so. They can introduce them so they are.

They said in January they weren't going to do so, this is just straight forward company profiteering.

Agree, profiteering previously kept in check has been let loose. Watch environmental standards and employment protections go the same way ...

[grunt]

They said in January they weren't going to do so, this is just straight forward company profiteering.
Profiteering which is no longer prevented by EU law. Hence this is a cost of Brexit. Yes?

[One Day Soon]

Profiteering which is no longer prevented by EU law. Hence this is a cost of Brexit. Yes?

No, companies facing higher costs in terms of time and money due to new or more bureaucratic requirements to access EU markets or due to higher taxes on exporting goods - neither of which they have control over - is a cost of Brexit.

Something that they are in no way legally or financially compelled to do but which they unilaterally choose to do anyway - like unnecessarily redeploying roaming charges - is just straightforward profiteering.

I'm all for blaming Brexit for its many negative consequences but I'm not for letting profiteering companies off the hook when the use Brexit as a cover for their own exploitative choices.

[CapitalGreen]

No, companies facing higher costs in terms of time and money due to new or more bureaucratic requirements to access EU markets or due to higher taxes on exporting goods - neither of which they have control over - is a cost of Brexit.

Something that they are in no way legally or financially compelled to do but which they unilaterally choose to do anyway - like unnecessarily redeploying roaming charges - is just straightforward profiteering.

I'm all for blaming Brexit for its many negative consequences but I'm not for letting profiteering companies off the hook when the use Brexit as a cover for their own exploitative choices.

It’s a cost of Brexit to consumers.

[Hibrandenburg]

It’s a cost of Brexit to consumers.

The way I see it too. EU regulations done away with roaming charges within member states, now we're out providers can reintroduce charges.

[nonshinyfinish]

My guess is that the companies assumed some post-Brexit agreement with the EU on roaming would prevent them from reintroducing charges, so it was better PR initially to act like good guys and say they wouldn't go back to roaming charges. 18 months on that hasn't happened, so they've gone "f*** it, free money".

[Ozyhibby]

Is anyone seriously suggesting that these roaming charges have nothing to do with Brexit?


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[Callum_62]

Is anyone seriously suggesting that these roaming charges have nothing to do with Brexit?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYes, well 1 person anyway [emoji23]

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[One Day Soon]

My guess is that the companies assumed some post-Brexit agreement with the EU on roaming would prevent them from reintroducing charges, so it was better PR initially to act like good guys and say they wouldn't go back to roaming charges. 18 months on that hasn't happened, so they've gone "f*** it, free money".


Exactly right.

I mean I guess if your position is just Brexit baaaaad then it suits to make no distinction between something that Brexit forces and something that it doesn't but which then happens anyway.

I am drawing the distinction between a Brexit cost and a Brexit consequence. They're not the same thing. In the binary political world in which we now live - particularly Scotland of course - shades of grey aren't popular. However if we just the let the companies off the hook for their share of this then actions cease to have consequences. It is after all possible for two things to happen: firstly Brexit and then secondly bad behaviour following Brexit but not forced by Brexit.

Alternatively the mobile providers are great guys and it's not at all their fault.

[Hibrandenburg]

Exactly right.

I mean I guess if your position is just Brexit baaaaad then it suits to make no distinction between something that Brexit forces and something that it doesn't but which then happens anyway.

I am drawing the distinction between a Brexit cost and a Brexit consequence. They're not the same thing. In the binary political world in which we now live - particularly Scotland of course - shades of grey aren't popular. However if we just the let the companies off the hook for their share of this then actions cease to have consequences. It is after all possible for two things to happen: firstly Brexit and then secondly bad behaviour following Brexit but not forced by Brexit.

Alternatively the mobile providers are great guys and it's not at all their fault.

It is partly their fault, but Brexit has given them the opportunity to reintroduce the charges and the temptation to do so was obviously too great for them to resist.

[Killiehibbie]

Are EU based phone users being charged roaming fees when visiting the UK?

[JeMeSouviens]

Exactly right.

I mean I guess if your position is just Brexit baaaaad then it suits to make no distinction between something that Brexit forces and something that it doesn't but which then happens anyway.

I am drawing the distinction between a Brexit cost and a Brexit consequence. They're not the same thing. In the binary political world in which we now live - particularly Scotland of course - shades of grey aren't popular. However if we just the let the companies off the hook for their share of this then actions cease to have consequences. It is after all possible for two things to happen: firstly Brexit and then secondly bad behaviour following Brexit but not forced by Brexit.

Alternatively the mobile providers are great guys and it's not at all their fault.

If the govt removed the seat belt law and tens of thousands of extra people died in crashes, who'd be to blame? The reckless govt, irresponsible drivers? It's both, right?

Brexit has let them change the rules to allow this to happen because that's the point of Brexit for those who drove it: to allow them to do away with rules that stop the unscrupulous doing things like this.

[Kato]

I wonder why the torys never wanted to include the continuation of no roaming charges in the Brexit agreement.

I seem to recall the EU sort of asking the same question when one of the earlier companies about turned, implying the torys would have been pushing at an open door.Maybe own/own shares in the companies that will make extra cash with the reintroduction of charges?

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[WeeRussell]

If the govt removed the seat belt law and tens of thousands of extra people died in crashes, who'd be to blame? The reckless govt, irresponsible drivers? It's both, right?

Brexit has let them change the rules to allow this to happen because that's the point of Brexit for those who drove it: to allow them to do away with rules that stop the unscrupulous doing things like this.

:agree: In one.

[lapsedhibee]

If the govt removed the seat belt law and tens of thousands of extra people died in crashes, who'd be to blame? The reckless govt, irresponsible drivers? It's both, right?

Brexit has let them change the rules to allow this to happen because that's the point of Brexit for those who drove it: to allow them to do away with rules that stop the unscrupulous doing things like this.

Love a good analogy, and second para's spot on anaw.

[One Day Soon]

It is partly their fault, but Brexit has given them the opportunity to reintroduce the charges and the temptation to do so was obviously too great for them to resist.

Yup. And interestingly they are also going to start to fleece for roaming in rest of the world non-European countries. I could be wrong but I don't think Brexit changed the rules for those countries?

[Hibrandenburg]

Are EU based phone users being charged roaming fees when visiting the UK?

Not yet. Vodafone Germany and German Telekom have both said the will keep the UK in the group covered by the EU Roaming Regulations. But things might change now that the UK have fired the first salvo.

[lapsedhibee]

Yup. And interestingly they are also going to start to fleece for roaming in rest of the world non-European countries. I could be wrong but I don't think Brexit changed the rules for those countries?

Have you not already agreed that the charges are a consequence of Brexit? :confused: What is it that you're arguing against now? :dunno:

[One Day Soon]

If the govt removed the seat belt law and tens of thousands of extra people died in crashes, who'd be to blame? The reckless govt, irresponsible drivers? It's both, right?

Brexit has let them change the rules to allow this to happen because that's the point of Brexit for those who drove it: to allow them to do away with rules that stop the unscrupulous doing things like this.


Not sure that analogy is quite right. More like the government removes the requirement to wear a seatbelt, car manufacturers then decide to stop fitting seat belts even though no one is compelling them to do that and consumers end up with no choice about whether or not to use the seat belts that are no longer there.

I'd blame the government and the car manufacturers, not the car drivers.

[Hibrandenburg]

Yup. And interestingly they are also going to start to fleece for roaming in rest of the world non-European countries. I could be wrong but I don't think Brexit changed the rules for those countries?

Simply put, no Brexit no roaming charges in the EU countries.

[grunt]

Have you not already agreed that the charges are a consequence of Brexit? :confused: What is it that you're arguing against now? :dunno:No he hasn't.


No, companies facing higher costs in terms of time and money due to new or more bureaucratic requirements to access EU markets or due to higher taxes on exporting goods - neither of which they have control over - is a cost of Brexit.

Something that they are in no way legally or financially compelled to do but which they unilaterally choose to do anyway - like unnecessarily redeploying roaming charges - is just straightforward profiteering.

I'm all for blaming Brexit for its many negative consequences but I'm not for letting profiteering companies off the hook when the use Brexit as a cover for their own exploitative choices.This is some serious level of twisting to avoid blaming Brexit!

[One Day Soon]

Have you not already agreed that the charges are a consequence of Brexit? :confused: What is it that you're arguing against now? :dunno:

I'm emphasising that even if this could not be happening without Brexit, these same companies are also now proposing roaming charges for non-European countries which as far as I am aware were not affected by Brexit. ie the mobile companies are at it with or without a Brexit factor. What's so difficult to understand about that?

[grunt]

I'm emphasising that even if this could not be happening without Brexit, these same companies are also now proposing roaming charges for non-European countries which as far as I am aware were not affected by Brexit. ie the mobile companies are at it with or without a Brexit factor. What's so difficult to understand about that?
Brexit. Has. Allowed. It. To. Happen. To. Us.

QED it is a consequence of Brexit from our perspective.

[JeMeSouviens]

I'm emphasising that even if this could not be happening without Brexit, these same companies are also now proposing roaming charges for non-European countries which as far as I am aware were not affected by Brexit. ie the mobile companies are at it with or without a Brexit factor. What's so difficult to understand about that?

I don't think most providers did away with roaming charges outside the EU? I've certainly paid them in both the US and Switzerland in the last 5 years.

[lapsedhibee]

I'm emphasising that even if this could not be happening without Brexit, these same companies are also now proposing roaming charges for non-European countries which as far as I am aware were not affected by Brexit. ie the mobile companies are at it with or without a Brexit factor. What's so difficult to understand about that?

But nobody's disagreeing with your point that the mobile companies are at it. You seem determined to disagree with everyone else's point that the charges are linked to Brexit in some way - even though you've already agreed that they're a consequence of it.

[Killiehibbie]

Not yet. Vodafone Germany and German Telekom have both said the will keep the UK in the group covered by the EU Roaming Regulations. But things might change now that the UK have fired the first salvo.

Interesting to see how long it is before they follow or if they can resist.

[One Day Soon]

No he hasn't.

This is some serious level of twisting to avoid blaming Brexit!


See below.

'I am drawing the distinction between a Brexit cost and a Brexit consequence. They're not the same thing. In the binary political world in which we now live - particularly Scotland of course - shades of grey aren't popular. However if we just the let the companies off the hook for their share of this then actions cease to have consequences. It is after all possible for two things to happen: firstly Brexit and then secondly bad behaviour following Brexit but not forced by Brexit.'

There are things which Brexit compels and then are things which it does not exclude. The first definitely happens (like different colour passports), the second only happens if a third party chooses to make it so (like exploitative mobile companies). They're not the same.

I'm not twisting anything, I'm opposed to Brexit. I just don't like to see the corporate culprits being absolved of their responsibility in this under the all-encompassing umbrella of Brexit.

[One Day Soon]

I don't think most providers did away with roaming charges outside the EU? I've certainly paid them in both the US and Switzerland in the last 5 years.

"Three has also confirmed that it will scrap its free Go Roam service outside of Europe from 23 May 2022 too. Under the scheme, you can use your call, text and data allowance in 71 destinations around the world at no extra cost (up to fair usage limits)."

[One Day Soon]

But nobody's disagreeing with your point that the mobile companies are at it. You seem determined to disagree with everyone else's point that the charges are linked to Brexit in some way - even though you've already agreed that they're a consequence of it.

I'm really not, I'm just drawing a distinction between a cost and a consequence and where blame lies. Yes they are linked to Brexit in some way.

[lapsedhibee]

I'm really not, I'm just drawing a distinction between a cost and a consequence and where blame lies. Yes they are linked to Brexit in some way.

You don't to be David Hume to get that a single event can have more than one cause. In this case, the introduction of charges has been caused by Brexit and the mobile companies. That's the way in which they're linked to Brexit - causation.

[One Day Soon]

You don't to be David Hume to get that a single event can have more than one cause. In this case, the introduction of charges has been caused by Brexit and the mobile companies. That's the way in which they're linked to Brexit - causation.

Good, we agree that both Brexit and the mobile companies are culpable.

[Bostonhibby]

Brexit bonus.[emoji106]


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[One Day Soon]

Brexit. Has. Allowed. It. To. Happen. To. Us.

QED it is a consequence of Brexit from our perspective.


Do you attach any blame to the companies involved?

[lapsedhibee]

Good, we agree that both Brexit and the mobile companies are culpable.

Prefer to see Farage singled out and named as especially blameworthy.

[One Day Soon]

That's all the carrots that seem to be breeding in the supermarkets overnight. Can't see anything else but appreciate the goalposts for seeing real benefits have had to be moved to about 50 years according to Rees Smug.

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Which will entirely coincidentally more than cover his period in office and quite likely his life span too unless he makes it beyond 100.

[grunt]

I am drawing the distinction between a Brexit cost and a Brexit consequence. They're not the same thing.
They may not necessarily be the same thing, but they are in this case. I'm going to pay more to use my phone in the EU and it is because of Brexit. It is both a cost and a consequence. If Brexit hadn't happened my calls would not cost as much.

[lapsedhibee]

Which will entirely coincidentally more than cover his period in office and quite likely his life span too unless he makes it beyond 100.

What are you implying here, that he was born after 1921?

[Bangkok Hibby]

Europe stopped the greedy *******s applying roaming charges.
Brexit allowed the greedy *******s to reapply the roaming charges.
Brits will roll over and accept it.
Rip off Britain.

[grunt]

Do you attach any blame to the companies involved?Well that's quite irrelevant to the discussion. These companies are commercial organisations. The concept of roaming charges is not new, and it was action by the EU that led to them being removed. So in one sense, no I don't blame them. Their job is to make money for their shareholders and as long as they do it legally, I don't see a problem. (There are clearly issues about quasi-monopolistic behaviour, but I rather suggest that's outside the scope of this discussion).

[lapsedhibee]

Europe stopped the greedy *******s applying roaming charges.
Brexit allowed the greedy *******s to reapply the roaming charges.
Brits will roll over and accept it.
Rip off Britain.

Not really a matter of rolling over and accepting it. Brits knew what we were voting for. Brits wanted these charges.

[One Day Soon]

They may not necessarily be the same thing, but they are in this case. I'm going to pay more to use my phone in the EU and it is because of Brexit. It is both a cost and a consequence. If Brexit hadn't happened my calls would not cost as much.

If Brexit had happened but the mobile companies hadn't chosen to reintroduce roaming charges would your call costs have gone up?

[Bangkok Hibby]

Not really a matter of rolling over and accepting it. Brits knew what we were voting for. Brits wanted these charges.

Yes I"m addressing 2 points. The first being turkeys voting for xmas. The second being the fact that many companies of all sorts know they can pretty much charge what they like because Brits will moan a bit then cough up.

[One Day Soon]

Well that's quite irrelevant to the discussion. These companies are commercial organisations. The concept of roaming charges is not new, and it was action by the EU that led to them being removed. So in one sense, no I don't blame them. Their job is to make money for their shareholders and as long as they do it legally, I don't see a problem. (There are clearly issues about quasi-monopolistic behaviour, but I rather suggest that's outside the scope of this discussion).


It's not irrelevant to the discussion, it's central to it.

But it's almost like there's some serious level of twisting to avoid blaming the mobile companies in any degree going on here!

[One Day Soon]

Yes I"m addressing 2 points. The first being turkeys voting for xmas. The second being the fact that many companies of all sorts know they can pretty much charge what they like because Brits will moan a bit then cough up.


Quite hard to think of examples in recent times that would contradict that point TBQH.

[Bristolhibby]

Good, we agree that both Brexit and the mobile companies are culpable.

Not quite sure if your point.

The phone companies are doing something (charging for roaming) that they couldn’t do before Brexit (due to being an EU member).

Brexit has enabled phone companies to exploit their customers for a service that they had to include as part of the price you as a consumer paid prior to Brexit.

That hike is a consequence of Brexit.

J

[Bristolhibby]

Not really a matter of rolling over and accepting it. Brits knew what we were voting for. Brits wanted these charges.

Indeed they did. As has been pointed out. This is exactly what Brexiteers voted for.

J

[Bristolhibby]

If Brexit had happened but the mobile companies hadn't chosen to reintroduce roaming charges would your call costs have gone up?

Sort of see your point. But you must see that Brexit enabled phone companies to put their prices up.

They were doing fine and dandy without roaming charges, now us, the British consumer will have to pony up again.

#brexitbonus

[Killiehibbie]

Europe stopped the greedy *******s applying roaming charges.
Brexit allowed the greedy *******s to reapply the roaming charges.
Brits will roll over and accept it.
Rip off Britain.

With the very expensive cost of providing free EU wide roaming removed surely our UK only monthly plan will become cheaper?

[Bangkok Hibby]

With the very expensive cost of providing free EU wide roaming removed surely our UK only monthly plan will become cheaper?

That would depend how much you buy into the rip off Britain narrative. What do you think?

[One Day Soon]

Not quite sure if your point.

The phone companies are doing something (charging for roaming) that they couldn’t do before Brexit (due to being an EU member).

Brexit has enabled phone companies to exploit their customers for a service that they had to include as part of the price you as a consumer paid prior to Brexit.

That hike is a consequence of Brexit.

J


I think the point is obvious. Brexit opens the door but unless the mobile companies then choose to exploit it, it doesn't happen. As Andy Bee's post further up the thread points out there was no real reason for them to have to do this. If people want to entirely absolve corporates with a long history of exploiting consumers from any share of the blame then good luck to them. That isn't my politics.

[Killiehibbie]

That would depend how much you buy into the rip off Britain narrative. What do you think?

I won't hold my breath waiting on them doing it.

[One Day Soon]

Sort of see your point. But you must see that Brexit enabled phone companies to put their prices up.

They were doing fine and dandy without roaming charges, now us, the British consumer will have to pony up again.

#brexitbonus


Yes, there are two parts to this. First Brexit and then mobile company decisions to reintroduce charges. Unless both parts happen the charges do not go up. Not only were they doing fine and dandy without roaming charges, they said as recently as January that they would not re-introduce them.

[grunt]

If Brexit had happened but the mobile companies hadn't chosen to reintroduce roaming charges would your call costs have gone up?
:confused:

[Hibrandenburg]

This is absolute madness. There's already enough truck accidents on the road and now the government are relaxing the rules so that drivers can now pass the articulated lorry test without having to learn how to reverse or even have had previous experience driving smaller non articulated vehicles.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/hgv-driving-tests-to-be-relaxed-to-help-lorry-driver-shortages-ahead-of-christmas-12404161

[WeeRussell]

This is absolute madness. There's already enough truck accidents on the road and now the government are relaxing the rules so that drivers can now pass the articulated lorry test without having to learn how to reverse or even have had previous experience driving smaller non articulated vehicles.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/hgv-driving-tests-to-be-relaxed-to-help-lorry-driver-shortages-ahead-of-christmas-12404161

But if the lorry drivers don’t choose to run people over…

Sorry ODS, couldn’t resist 😁.. I actually get what point you’ve been making.

[Andy Bee]

This is absolute madness. There's already enough truck accidents on the road and now the government are relaxing the rules so that drivers can now pass the articulated lorry test without having to learn how to reverse or even have had previous experience driving smaller non articulated vehicles.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/hgv-driving-tests-to-be-relaxed-to-help-lorry-driver-shortages-ahead-of-christmas-12404161


I posted about wee Jimmy now being able to jump straight from his souped up Corsa into a 44t artic a few weeks ago which is ludicrous but the relaxation of trailer coupling/uncoupling training is absolutely mental, there will be deaths from this and I'm not exagerating. This is an absolute ******* shambles and the best part is it doesn't even cover the 600 drivers retiring every week.

[Glory Lurker]

Bury the bodies high! The UK government has already shown that it is happy for us to be collateral damage in the pursuit of their programme. They don't care about the risks of inexperienced hgv drivers behind the wheel.

[Hibrandenburg]

I posted about wee Jimmy now being able to jump straight from his souped up Corsa into a 44t artic a few weeks ago which is ludicrous but the relaxation of trailer coupling/uncoupling training is absolutely mental, there will be deaths from this and I'm not exagerating. This is an absolute ******* shambles and the best part is it doesn't even cover the 600 drivers retiring every week.

I read your post Andy and thought it could only just be mischievous rumour doing the rounds so I didn't comment on it. You're 100% right about the trailers, there will be deaths caused by this, there's already enough cowboys out there and this will bolster their numbers enormously.

I can't help but wonder if another consequence will be that the EU will now no longer recognise UK HGV licenses because they no longer fulfill the EU standards. If so it will stop UK drivers from plying their trade there.

[Jones28]

I posted about wee Jimmy now being able to jump straight from his souped up Corsa into a 44t artic a few weeks ago which is ludicrous but the relaxation of trailer coupling/uncoupling training is absolutely mental, there will be deaths from this and I'm not exagerating. This is an absolute ******* shambles and the best part is it doesn't even cover the 600 drivers retiring every week.

It’s absolutely bonkers.

Having driven tractors with trailers attached (and one, very short lived attempt at reversing a bulker lorry up to an intake pit 😂) I absolutely agree.

[Callum_62]

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/food-shortages-last-forever

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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/food-shortages-last-forever

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Doesn’t have to be permanent for Scotland.[emoji6]


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[Northernhibee]

Doesn’t have to be permanent for Scotland.[emoji6]


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It’s quite clear that England are happy to have food, Driver and care worker shortages as long as they can like down on the forruners.

Leave them to that and let Scotland be a forward looking progressive nation.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/rejoining-eu-would-put-rocket-boosters-on-scotlands-covid-recovery

Light the blue touch paper...

[Bostonhibby]

I'm not making this up. Son went into Pets at home today to buy some pigs ears for his German Shepherd dog to chew.

Quite a few gaps in the shelves including where the ears should be, staff member said it's due due Brexit related supply problems.

Reaching new heights making a pig's ear of supplying pig's ears.

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[SHODAN]

Guys, guys, I've finally found a benefit of Brexit!

I was able to buy some apple snails for my aquarium today, which do a much better job of cleaning up algae than nerites. They were previously a banned species under EU law due to the impact they'd have on the ecosystem if released in warm countries ala Italy or Greece, but likely wouldn't have the same impact here, hence the reversal of the ban under UK law.

And... That's it.

[Kato]

Guys, guys, I've finally found a benefit of Brexit!

I was able to buy some apple snails for my aquarium today, which do a much better job of cleaning up algae than nerites. They were previously a banned species under EU law due to the impact they'd have on the environment if released into warmer ecosystems, but likely wouldn't have the same impact here, hence the reversal of the ban under UK law.

And... That's it.Can you eat them?

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[Bostonhibby]

Can you eat them?

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[Just Alf]

Guys, guys, I've finally found a benefit of Brexit!

I was able to buy some apple snails for my aquarium today, which do a much better job of cleaning up algae than nerites. They were previously a banned species under EU law due to the impact they'd have on the ecosystem if released in warm countries ala Italy or Greece, but likely wouldn't have the same impact here, hence the reversal of the ban under UK law.

And... That's it.Hopefully climate change doesn't make that an issue here! :-/

[DaveF]

Can you eat them?

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The little buggers will probably eat all our carrots and then we will be truly rubber ducked.

[Hibrandenburg]

It’s absolutely bonkers.

Having driven tractors with trailers attached (and one, very short lived attempt at reversing a bulker lorry up to an intake pit 😂) I absolutely agree.

Seems like similar schemes might be rolled out in other areas of shortage.

[nonshinyfinish]

Guys, guys, I've finally found a benefit of Brexit!

I was able to buy some apple snails for my aquarium today, which do a much better job of cleaning up algae than nerites. They were previously a banned species under EU law due to the impact they'd have on the ecosystem if released in warm countries ala Italy or Greece, but likely wouldn't have the same impact here, hence the reversal of the ban under UK law.

And... That's it.

While obviously the blue passport stuff was one of the most laughable examples of "taking back control" (not least because there's nothing to stop EU member states making their passports whatever colour they like: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/blue-passports-brexit-colour-change-leave-eu-withdrawal-european-union-countries-travel-a8124526.html), it is a genuine improvement that they're no longer f***ing maroon.

[One Day Soon]

While obviously the blue passport stuff was one of the most laughable examples of "taking back control" (not least because there's nothing to stop EU member states making their passports whatever colour they like: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/blue-passports-brexit-colour-change-leave-eu-withdrawal-european-union-countries-travel-a8124526.html), it is a genuine improvement that they're no longer f***ing maroon.


Do you think your average Rover driver has realised this yet? It could result in an open letter...

[hibsbollah]

UK immigrants given 15 days to leave Spain.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/spanish-residents-uk-brits-brexit-289794/?fbclid=IwAR3UcOlOggdoNBsXMx3hdpBcYb-qlucrp32UWMPPTcMKZn7ssfEqe5gMoUo

[Peevemor]

UK immigrants given 15 days to leave Spain.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/spanish-residents-uk-brits-brexit-289794/?fbclid=IwAR3UcOlOggdoNBsXMx3hdpBcYb-qlucrp32UWMPPTcMKZn7ssfEqe5gMoUoI had to apply for a 10 year resident permit, which I did in March, and I was informed by email on Friday that it's been approved although I'm still waiting for an appointment to get the biometric stuff done.

[Hibrandenburg]

I'm guessing this will effect 100's of thousand British citizens living in the EU at some point. It has certainly scuppered our retirement plan.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/13/the-guardian-view-on-families-separated-by-brexit-wheres-the-compassion

[Peevemor]

I'm guessing this will effect 100's of thousand British citizens living in the EU at some point. It has certainly scuppered our retirement plan.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/13/the-guardian-view-on-families-separated-by-brexit-wheres-the-compassion

They seem to be slowly putting in place special post-Brexit procedures between the UK and individual EU countries with a view to fast tracking certain procedures. It's certainly the case with France where there are now agreements in place for residents permits, driving licences and possibly other stuff (that doesn't concern me for the time being). It wouldn't surprise me if at some point in the future citizens from the likes of France, Germany, Holland, etc. will find permission to work & live in the UK far easier to come by than those from some of the newer, more Eastern, EU members.

[Jack]

Just a point on 3 doing introducing roaming charges.

Having read the Martin Lewis article on it it seems that if you don't change anything on your 3 contract after 1st October then you will be able to keep the roaming benefits. That includes just keeping it rolling along.
Currently with Three? You won’t face the new £2/day or £5/day charges above unless you actively renew, but check you're on the best deal

Most existing Three pay-monthly or Sim-only customers (barring those on an Essentials plan who want to use their allowance in certain destinations outside of Europe) won't face the new roaming charges if they simply do nothing. It's only those who sign up to a new Three deal or renew their contract on or from Friday 1 October who may have to pay.**


https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2021/09/three-to-introduce-roaming-charges-from-may-2022/

[Hibrandenburg]

They seem to be slowly putting in place special post-Brexit procedures between the UK and individual EU countries with a view to fast tracking certain procedures. It's certainly the case with France where there are now agreements in place for residents permits, driving licences and possibly other stuff (that doesn't concern me for the time being). It wouldn't surprise me if at some point in the future citizens from the likes of France, Germany, Holland, etc. will find permission to work & live in the UK far easier to come by than those from some of the newer, more Eastern, EU members.

I would have thought that any agreement regarding rights to abode and work with individual EU countries wouldn't be possible. I can't see Brussels allowing that.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58582860.amp

M&S pull out of France.


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[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58582860.amp

M&S pull out of France.


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Not quite what it says in the article. Closing 11 'franchise' food stores jointly run with a French company but keeping 9 stores they run themselves.

[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/16/unionists-brexit-northern-ireland-dup-border?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true


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[cabbageandribs1875]

the Boris Broadcasting Company up to their editing tricks AGAIN

Trader blames Brexit for soaring price of fish - but BBC edits it out (thelondoneconomic.com) (https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/trader-blames-brexit-for-soaring-price-of-fish-but-bbc-edits-it-out-290736/)



Trader blames Brexit for soaring price of fish – but BBC edits it outThe price of a container of imported fish has jumped by £11,000 - just don't mention the B word!

[ronaldo7]

Taking back control has it's costs, and they'll all be met by the consumer. :rolleyes:

EUs trade surplus with UK first 7 months 2021, ie post Brexit trade deal, was €82.1bn, notably up from same months in 2020, €56.7bn

Driven by 17.1% or €16bn fall in UK exports to EU.
Trade into EU from every other major partner up.

EU exports to UK grew by 6.2%, or €9bn..

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1438546019743117323

[Kato]

Taking back control has it's costs, and they'll all be met by the consumer. :rolleyes:

EUs trade surplus with UK first 7 months 2021, ie post Brexit trade deal, was €82.1bn, notably up from same months in 2020, €56.7bn

Driven by 17.1% or €16bn fall in UK exports to EU.
Trade into EU from every other major partner up.

EU exports to UK grew by 6.2%, or €9bn..

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1438546019743117323

The EU is on it's knees though, it won't be able to handle all these financial wins.

[DaveF]

the Boris Broadcasting Company up to their editing tricks AGAIN

Trader blames Brexit for soaring price of fish - but BBC edits it out (thelondoneconomic.com) (https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/trader-blames-brexit-for-soaring-price-of-fish-but-bbc-edits-it-out-290736/)



Trader blames Brexit for soaring price of fish – but BBC edits it outThe price of a container of imported fish has jumped by £11,000 - just don't mention the B word!

I saw it live where she had her say. The next person they were going to speak to was then ambushed by some guy proclaiming the BBC were anti-british (I think) so they cut back to the studio at that point.

[Ozyhibby]

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[Jones28]

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Please tell me this a parody account?

[Bangkok Hibby]

Please tell me this a parody account?

If true just more evidence to prove what a pathetic, insular, backward thinking country Britain is. What next? Pounds, shillings and pence?

[Peevemor]

Please tell me this a parody account?The sad and worrying thing is that this will increase his popularity. Jellied eels tuppence a pound, let's 'ave a knees-up!

[lapsedhibee]

If true just more evidence to prove what a pathetic, insular, backward thinking country Britain is. What next? Pounds, shillings and pence?

True greatness will not be ours until the farthing is reintroduced.

https://twitter.com/APiledriver/status/1438589946609217543/photo/1

[Glory Lurker]

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What a joke. How anybody can be proud of this country is beyond me.

[Bostonhibby]

If true just more evidence to prove what a pathetic, insular, backward thinking country Britain is. What next? Pounds, shillings and pence?I bet there are plenty newly enriched Nasty party supporters who have got chimneys they want swept like in the "good old days".

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[Stairway 2 7]

What a joke. How anybody can be proud of this country is beyond me.

Nah I don't get the self hatred. Government aren't the population **** em. The tories don't own us our history or our future and we shouldn't be defined by them. They have been put in place by a very powerful capitalist machine of the press and big business.

Tons to be proud of Edinburgh is stunning, we've got some of the best countryside in the world in the uk, London is one of the best and most multicultural cities in the world. Not many countries have given to culture more than we have. Shakespeare, dickens, beatles, stones, bond, hitchcock. Monty python, David Attenborough, Billy connelly, David brent

Science and invention is up there with the Romans and skewed to Scotland. TV, phone, Internet, evolution, gravity ect ect

A vaccine in Oxford has saved tens of millions of lives already. We're now delivering 2.5 million doses a month to the rest of the world more than any nation.

Brexit is horrible and independence referendum will be divisive. Hopefully personally we get independence and after I hope we're friend with down south , probably not their government but their people. I've more in common with a working class person from Brixton or Birkenhead than I do with a tory from Morningside. An American Bill bryson says it well

What an enigma Britain will seem to historians when they look back on the second half of the twentieth century. Here is a country that fought and won a noble war, dismantled a mighty empire in a generally benign and enlightened way, created a far-seeing welfare state - in short, did nearly everything right - and then spent the rest of the century looking on itself as a chronic failure. The fact is that this is still the best place in the world for most things - to post a letter, go for a walk, watch television, buy a book, venture out for a drink, go to a museum, use the bank, get lost, seek help, or stand on a hillside and take in a view.

[lapsedhibee]

Nah I don't get the self hatred. Government aren't the population **** em. The tories don't own us our history or our future and we shouldn't be defined by them. They have been put in place by a very powerful capitalist machine of the press and big business.

Tons to be proud of Edinburgh is stunning, we've got some of the best countryside in the world in the uk, London is one of the best and most multicultural cities in the world. Not many countries have given to culture more than we have. Shakespeare, dickens, beatles, stones, bond, hitchcock. Monty python, David Attenborough, Billy connelly, David brent

Science and invention is up there with the Romans and skewed to Scotland. TV, phone, Internet, evolution, gravity ect ect

A vaccine in Oxford has saved tens of millions of lives already. We're now delivering 2.5 million doses a month to the rest of the world more than any nation.

Brexit is horrible and independence referendum will be divisive. Hopefully personally we get independence and after I hope we're friend with down south , probably not their government but their people. I've more in common with a working class person from Brixton or Birkenhead than I do with a tory from Morningside. An American Bill bryson says it well

What an enigma Britain will seem to historians when they look back on the second half of the twentieth century. Here is a country that fought and won a noble war, dismantled a mighty empire in a generally benign and enlightened way, created a far-seeing welfare state - in short, did nearly everything right - and then spent the rest of the century looking on itself as a chronic failure. The fact is that this is still the best place in the world for most things - to post a letter, go for a walk, watch television, buy a book, venture out for a drink, go to a museum, use the bank, get lost, seek help, or stand on a hillside and take in a view.
Please stop with the Britain is the best country in the world and Scots invented everything chat. It's ridiculous.

[Stairway 2 7]

Please stop with the Britain is the best country in the world and Scots invented everything chat. It's ridiculous.

It's not the best but it's nowhere near the worst. Pampered brits should be offered to swap with a nation where poverty is the norm. So much navel gazing on the board sometimes, hibs should get a sponsorship with prozac if its ethical enough

[Moulin Yarns]

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Just so we can align with the US of A. 🙄

Why would I want to sell my product in 3 and a half ounces instead of 100g?

[One Day Soon]

Nah I don't get the self hatred. Government aren't the population **** em. The tories don't own us our history or our future and we shouldn't be defined by them. They have been put in place by a very powerful capitalist machine of the press and big business.

Tons to be proud of Edinburgh is stunning, we've got some of the best countryside in the world in the uk, London is one of the best and most multicultural cities in the world. Not many countries have given to culture more than we have. Shakespeare, dickens, beatles, stones, bond, hitchcock. Monty python, David Attenborough, Billy connelly, David brent

Science and invention is up there with the Romans and skewed to Scotland. TV, phone, Internet, evolution, gravity ect ect

A vaccine in Oxford has saved tens of millions of lives already. We're now delivering 2.5 million doses a month to the rest of the world more than any nation.

Brexit is horrible and independence referendum will be divisive. Hopefully personally we get independence and after I hope we're friend with down south , probably not their government but their people. I've more in common with a working class person from Brixton or Birkenhead than I do with a tory from Morningside. An American Bill bryson says it well

What an enigma Britain will seem to historians when they look back on the second half of the twentieth century. Here is a country that fought and won a noble war, dismantled a mighty empire in a generally benign and enlightened way, created a far-seeing welfare state - in short, did nearly everything right - and then spent the rest of the century looking on itself as a chronic failure. The fact is that this is still the best place in the world for most things - to post a letter, go for a walk, watch television, buy a book, venture out for a drink, go to a museum, use the bank, get lost, seek help, or stand on a hillside and take in a view.


You'll get very little support for this generally (independence apart) positive view.

Have you thought of trying to fall off some kind of mobility scooter on camera instead?

[Jack]

Please stop with the Britain is the best country in the world and Scots invented everything chat. It's ridiculous.

While it came to me as quite a surprise that Great Britain wasn't great at everything when I was a lot younger I still see nothing wrong with celebrating those areas where GB and particularly Scotland has made a real and positive impact on the World we live in.

[Bangkok Hibby]

While it came to me as quite a surprise that Great Britain wasn't great at everything when I was a lot younger I still see nothing wrong with celebrating those areas where GB and particularly Scotland has made a real and positive impact on the World we live in.

Then start a new thread about it. Here we can chat about what a ****ed up mess it is for many people.

[lapsedhibee]

While it came to me as quite a surprise that Great Britain wasn't great at everything when I was a lot younger I still see nothing wrong with celebrating those areas where GB and particularly Scotland has made a real and positive impact on the World we live in.

Welsh, Irish, Scots, English, Belgians, French, Italians, Germans and probably others have all made useful contributions to the world we currently live in. Nothing wrong with celebrating any of those contributions, whether or not by an accident of birth you share the nationality of the contributor.

[lapsedhibee]

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Wait till the UKGov culture warriors get their grubby hands on the electrical industry.

Alessandro Volta, Italian
André-Marie Ampère, French
Georg Simon Ohm, German

[Jack]

Then start a new thread about it. Here we can chat about what a ****ed up mess it is for many people.

It's an illustration of how far GB fallen.

[lapsedhibee]

It's not the best but it's nowhere near the worst. Pampered brits should be offered to swap with a nation where poverty is the norm. So much navel gazing on the board sometimes, hibs should get a sponsorship with prozac if its ethical enough

Johnson said, out loud, in the House of Commons on Wednesday that British food is the best in the world. No prozac for him.

[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1438236266760376325

No vaccine passports in England, however one of their Mp's (Tory *******) wants to introduce a Covid recovery visa to plug the gap in their labour market.

[Stairway 2 7]

Johnson said, out loud, in the House of Commons on Wednesday that British food is the best in the world. No prozac for him.

He's a complete ****ing ball bag so I would disregard all of his opinions

[hibsbollah]

Who are these people? 25%?
https://www.statista.com/chart/20700/share-of-bothered-by-hearing-a-non-english-conversation/

[Moulin Yarns]

Johnson said, out loud, in the House of Commons on Wednesday that British food is the best in the world. No prozac for him.

That's just tripe!!

[Jack]

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Do they mean like quarter pounders from McDs or a pint in the pubs? Like things the EU never stopped us doing anyway?

[lapsedhibee]

Who are these people? 25%?
https://www.statista.com/chart/20700/share-of-bothered-by-hearing-a-non-english-conversation/

The graphic for Leave voters there doesn't match what's in the text. Something's the wrong way round.

Is YouGov (founder, Nadhim Zahawi) even a proper polling organisation, or just another flavour of Tory propaganda?

[wookie70]

The graphic for Leave voters there doesn't match what's in the text. Something's the wrong way round.

Is YouGov (founder, Nadhim Zahawi) even a proper polling organisation, or just another flavour of Tory propaganda?


You are right the text and narration is in opposition but with either figure around half of Brexit voters are annoyed at the lest by foreigner speaking a language that isn't English when in the Uk. I presume they speak perfect Spanish when in Benidorm. For all it would be dangerous to draw a conclusion on one question it would certainly match my feelings. Most of those voting for Brexit are intolerant of foreigners, not sure what the definition of foreigners is though.

[Kato]

Do they mean like quarter pounders from McDs or a pint in the pubs? Like things the EU never stopped us doing anyway?Another vapid victory.

As for the twitter link above re-farming when will people notice we have an actual muppet as PM?

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[Killiehibbie]

Do they mean like quarter pounders from McDs or a pint in the pubs? Like things the EU never stopped us doing anyway?

Probably to try and stop the numerically challenged easily comparing the price increases. Wonder if 40 ouncers will return for the price of a litre.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://i.ibb.co/txstz49/Farage.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)


lol

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm surprised Nasty Johnson and Evil Patel didn't yell back 'covid, covid'

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_fTwQqWUJQ7x6b?format=jpg&name=large

[Radium]

Wait till the UKGov culture warriors get their grubby hands on the electrical industry.

Alessandro Volta, Italian
André-Marie Ampère, French
Georg Simon Ohm, German

Watt … [emoji12]


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[lapsedhibee]

Watt … [emoji12]


ThousandwattHour has a ring to it.

[Radium]

ThousandwattHour has a ring to it.

I am thinking that kilowatt is out so it will be horsepower from now on … will make electric bills interesting


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[Glory Lurker]

Nah I don't get the self hatred. Government aren't the population **** em. The tories don't own us our history or our future and we shouldn't be defined by them. They have been put in place by a very powerful capitalist machine of the press and big business.

Tons to be proud of Edinburgh is stunning, we've got some of the best countryside in the world in the uk, London is one of the best and most multicultural cities in the world. Not many countries have given to culture more than we have. Shakespeare, dickens, beatles, stones, bond, hitchcock. Monty python, David Attenborough, Billy connelly, David brent

Science and invention is up there with the Romans and skewed to Scotland. TV, phone, Internet, evolution, gravity ect ect

A vaccine in Oxford has saved tens of millions of lives already. We're now delivering 2.5 million doses a month to the rest of the world more than any nation.

Brexit is horrible and independence referendum will be divisive. Hopefully personally we get independence and after I hope we're friend with down south , probably not their government but their people. I've more in common with a working class person from Brixton or Birkenhead than I do with a tory from Morningside. An American Bill bryson says it well

What an enigma Britain will seem to historians when they look back on the second half of the twentieth century. Here is a country that fought and won a noble war, dismantled a mighty empire in a generally benign and enlightened way, created a far-seeing welfare state - in short, did nearly everything right - and then spent the rest of the century looking on itself as a chronic failure. The fact is that this is still the best place in the world for most things - to post a letter, go for a walk, watch television, buy a book, venture out for a drink, go to a museum, use the bank, get lost, seek help, or stand on a hillside and take in a view.

As we retreat within ourselves and cheer the emancipation of medieval measurements, I think it's more a question of ceonsidering how we project outside. That is the essence of pride? Monarchy, House of Lords, first past the post. Brexit. Iraq war. Aye, there is no doubt good things in these islands, but they are stifled on the international stage.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/irn-bru-production-under-threat-due-to-carbon-dioxide-shortage-3389313?fbclid=IwAR1W80WJOINdq9OKn6W5zu--LT1Y-3M7irvzxnaLePr19jh0mPIBH_jYklk

Irn Bru shortage.


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[Kato]

Told to bolt.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-20/biden-has-bigger-priorities-than-u-k-trade-deal-johnson-says

Back of the queue.

[Glory Lurker]

Told to bolt.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-20/biden-has-bigger-priorities-than-u-k-trade-deal-johnson-says

Back of the queue.

Aye, and instead they're talking about applying to join the US-Canada-Mexico trade deal that Trump renegotiated. Brutal.

[Kato]

Aye, and instead they're talking about applying to join the US-Canada-Mexico trade deal that Trump renegotiated. Brutal.The American senator on Newsnight said he had only heard this from the UK side and that it hadn't been discussed by the Americans at all. In fact he said the subject of a trade deal with the UK wasnt an urgent topic at all, while worries about the Good Friday agreement was the main concern for them whenever the UK was mentioned.

I suppose when some tousled bumpkin with the nickname "Britain Trump" tips up cap in hand they are treated with the contempt they deserve.



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[lapsedhibee]

The American senator on Newsnight said he had only heard this from the UK side and that it hadn't been discussed by the Americans at all. In fact he said the subject of a trade deal with the UK wasnt an urgent topic at all, while worries about the Good Friday agreement was the main concern for them whenever the UK was mentioned.

I suppose when some tousled bumpkin up with the nickname "Britain Trump" tips up cap in hand they are treated with the contempt they deserve.



Johnson shares an enthusiasm with Biden for trains. Johnson says. Wasn't it buses he was enthusiastic about last year? 'Shape shifting creep' is such an apt description.

[Since90+2]

Aye, and instead they're talking about applying to join the US-Canada-Mexico trade deal that Trump renegotiated. Brutal.

Even if they do join that pact it's estimated it would be worth approximately 0.1% of GDP.

[LaMotta]

If ever a tweet summed up the madness of Brexit it's this:

https://twitter.com/Barlosthecat/status/1440627943420547076?s=19

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-considers-joining-existing-us-mexico-canada-trade-deal-as-hopes-of-standalone-post-brexit-agreement-fade-12414023
Leave the EU to join NAFTA? [emoji15]


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1440433700542443531?s=21

Biden makes it clear that the protocol must remain no matter what. And that he has the support of the republicans on this.


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[SHODAN]

Told to bolt.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-20/biden-has-bigger-priorities-than-u-k-trade-deal-johnson-says

Back of the queue.

It's almost as if ****ing about with the NI protocol with an Irish-American president has consequences.

[hibsbollah]

Nigel Farage walks into a pub and says, I'll have a pint of beer please. The barman pours a pint, then throws it all over Farage.

'What did you do that for?' says Farage, drenched to the skin.

'Because you're in a metaphor which illustrates the stupidity of asking for something but not stipulating how you ******g wanted it delivered, you frog-faced sniveling *****!'

'But I'm still thirsty, so I want a pint -- this time in a glass!' says Farage.

'You can't ask again!' said the barman.

'Why not?' sniveled Farage.

'Democracy.' says the barman.

[lapsedhibee]

Nigel Farage walks into a pub and says, I'll have a pint of beer please. The barman pours a pint, then throws it all over Farage.

'What did you do that for?' says Farage, drenched to the skin.

'Because you're in a metaphor which illustrates the stupidity of asking for something but not stipulating how you ******g wanted it delivered, you frog-faced sniveling *****!'

'But I'm still thirsty, so I want a pint -- this time in a glass!' says Farage.

'You can't ask again!' said the barman.

'Why not?' sniveled Farage.

'Democracy.' says the barman.
:greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1440722792551370761?s=21

Interesting thread.


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[Callum_62]

https://youtu.be/O6oppE-O8Qw

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[LaMotta]

Nigel Farage walks into a pub and says, I'll have a pint of beer please. The barman pours a pint, then throws it all over Farage.

'What did you do that for?' says Farage, drenched to the skin.

'Because you're in a metaphor which illustrates the stupidity of asking for something but not stipulating how you ******g wanted it delivered, you frog-faced sniveling *****!'

'But I'm still thirsty, so I want a pint -- this time in a glass!' says Farage.

'You can't ask again!' said the barman.

'Why not?' sniveled Farage.

'Democracy.' says the barman.
:tee hee::tee hee::tee hee:

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/dphinnemore/status/1440990414731988997?s=21

Thread on the coming changes which mean NI will start to diverge from the rest of the UK. Ireland is going to be reunited by stealth.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-09-23/hgv-driver-shortage-bp-poised-to-ration-fuel-deliveries-amid-supply-problems

Petrol rationing.[emoji849]


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[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-09-23/hgv-driver-shortage-bp-poised-to-ration-fuel-deliveries-amid-supply-problems

Petrol rationing.[emoji849]


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Thank goodness I was in the big city earlier and filled up, even though I still had half a tank.

Just seen it's also affected tesco sites, even more glad I filled up.

[Jones28]

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-09-23/hgv-driver-shortage-bp-poised-to-ration-fuel-deliveries-amid-supply-problems

Petrol rationing.[emoji849]


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Rationing supplies to service stations so they can continue to charge a ****ing fortune compared to off motorway garages.

[hibsbollah]

Strong and stable.
Got to Love those Cheeky Tory Chappies.

Still, just imagine what Corbyn would have done to the economy.

[Bostonhibby]

Strong and stable.
Got to Love those Cheeky Tory Chappies.

Still, just imagine what Corbyn would have done to the economy.At least there'll be no panic at the filling stations as, like with the supermarket situation, all Brexit supporters and Bozo believers won't be queuing up unnecessarily in response to a situation that clearly doesn't exist.

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[JeMeSouviens]

Strong and stable.
Got to Love those Cheeky Tory Chappies.

Still, just imagine what Corbyn would have done to the economy.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C93ilZzXkAEPuO-.jpg

[Radium]

https://twitter.com/bylinetv/status/1441126719105110016?s=21


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[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/bylinetv/status/1441126719105110016?s=21


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkCant be true, someone will be along in a minute to tell us theyve been down the local supermarket and Turkey's are everywhere, admittedly running about alive, but they're there, right next to all the carrots.

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[Kato]

Cant be true, someone will be along in a minute to tell us theyve been down the local supermarket and Turkey's are everywhere, admittedly running about alive, but they're there, right next to all the carrots.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkOh, there are plenty turkeys out there, believe me. They all voted for Christmas.

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[Bostonhibby]

Oh, there are plenty turkeys out there, believe me. They all voted for Christmas.

Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkAye, but it wasn't them, it was remainers, Tony Blair, foreigners and the youth of today wot dun it.

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[Ozyhibby]

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[ronaldo7]

Nae turkeys, nae Christmas trees, nae toys for the bairns.

Just heard that Santa has popped his clogs.

[hibsbollah]

Cant be true, someone will be along in a minute to tell us theyve been down the local supermarket and Turkey's are everywhere, admittedly running about alive, but they're there, right next to all the carrots.

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Yet again, you’re forgetting the turnips. They are at the root of our way out of this mess. We don’t need this foreign muck.

And it’s prime mushroom season too, get out there and start foraging everyone. The UK is set to become the champignons of Europe.

[Bostonhibby]

Yet again, you’re forgetting the turnips. They are at the root of our way out of this mess. We don’t need this foreign muck.

And it’s prime mushroom season too, get out there and start foraging everyone. The UK is set to become the champignons of Europe.

Yep, #prayfortheturnips, including the ones currently rotting in the fields and those in the self made queues for fuel today.

Turkeys voting for xmas doesn't even begin to cover it.

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[hibsbollah]

Yep, #prayfortheturnips, including the ones currently rotting in the fields and those in the self made queues for fuel today.

Turkeys voting for xmas doesn't even begin to cover it.

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The neepotism at the heart of this government is sickening.

[Bostonhibby]

The neepotism at the heart of this government is sickening.They are at the root of the problem. Them and the turnips ...

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[Bostonhibby]

One of these is a lying chancer pretty much cold shouldered by world powers.

But at least we might have Bully Beef for xmas.

Plumbing new depths if true.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210924/fb484e95c35e4236cbc5f0f74ac20d64.jpg

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[lapsedhibee]

One of these is a lying chancer pretty much cold shouldered by world powers.

But at least we might have Bully Beef for xmas.

Plumbing new depths if true.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210924/fb484e95c35e4236cbc5f0f74ac20d64.jpg


Surely even remoaners can appreciate Johnson's heroic efforts to save Christmas? The trouble he's gone to must be right up there with, I don't know, Churchill's saving Europe from the Naaazis? Yet when he gets back and takes a well-earned and deserved break people will still quibble about which Russian's paying for it as part a wider laundering scheme. So ungrateful.

[Bostonhibby]

Surely even remoaners can appreciate Johnson's heroic efforts to save Christmas? The trouble he's gone to must be right up there with, I don't know, Churchill's saving Europe from the Naaazis? Yet when he gets back and takes a well-earned and deserved break people will still quibble about which Russian's paying for it as part a wider laundering scheme. So ungrateful.They don't recognize an oxymoron when they see one.

Why is he trying to fill a gap that he himself says doesn't exist?

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[lapsedhibee]

They don't recognize an oxymoron when they see one.

Why is he trying to fill a gap that he himself says doesn't exist?


Is the answer something to do with Schrödinger? :dunno:

[Bostonhibby]

Is the answer something to do with Schrödinger? :dunno:Sounds foreign to me.

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[Kato]

They are at the root of the problem. Them and the turnips ...

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkHow would the Swedes solve the turnip issue?

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[Bostonhibby]

How would the Swedes solve the turnip issue?

Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkGet the Conservative and unionist party to elect a new leader?

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[ronaldo7]

https://news.sky.com/story/massive-queues-as-e-gates-go-down-at-heathrow-and-other-airports-around-the-uk-12416605

Taking back control. :rolleyes:

[hibsbollah]

That’s quite unusual for the airport to call out the government like that

The airport said on Twitter that "queue times are at unacceptable levels" and added it has called on the government "to address the problem as a matter of urgency",

[cabbageandribs1875]

headlines you will not see in any tory-owned press(currently 80%)...or the BBC

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[ronaldo7]

That’s quite unusual for the airport to call out the government like that

The airport said on Twitter that "queue times are at unacceptable levels" and added it has called on the government "to address the problem as a matter of urgency",

Border force don't have the staff, if the gates are down with a technical fault. Maybe they will increase wages and steal people from other areas of the economy. Care homes saying they're struggling too.

[Bostonhibby]

headlines you will not see in any tory-owned press(currently 80%)...or the BBC

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/242890771_4448244245232372_7547509076522272782_n.j pg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_rgb565=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=xbiXol5MbPUAX9aaBi2&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=0a2c1c712d54b61c0e801898ad70b634&oe=615326BFYou can understand it though because they're having to send our NHS directly £350m every week so we were never going to be popular

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[Ozyhibby]

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Has there been any word on what colour our ration books will be be?


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[Kato]

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Has there been any word on what colour our ration books will be be?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThey'll be on your phone. Can't get the printers in this country.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

You can understand it though because they're having to send our NHS directly £350m every week so we were never going to be popular

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prenez un grip and donnez-moi un break :greengrin

[DaveF]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58670792

It even mentions the B word (pandemic first though, obviously)

[Jack]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58670792

It even mentions the B word (pandemic first though, obviously)

I read that earlier. It struck me that if they (the torys) can't be honest about the cause, Brexit, how can we take their word for it that there are no petrol shortages?

Bottom line is we know they'd lie about anything if it suits them. We also know the BBC will lie on their behalf.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58670792

It even mentions the B word (pandemic first though, obviously)

As soon as ordinary people’s wages look like rising they act to stop it.[emoji849]


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[Bostonhibby]

I read that earlier. It struck me that if they (the torys) can't be honest about the cause, Brexit, how can we take their word for it that there are no petrol shortages?

Bottom line is we know they'd lie about anything if it suits them. We also know the BBC will lie on their behalf.Once Bozo or any other Nasty party spokesman makes an announcement on things like this latest shambles it's usually best to do the opposite of what they say.

This should ensure that you are ahead of the game when the U turn occurs or the truth comes out.


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[Glory Lurker]

So the UK government is admitting that Brexit is contributing to the problem with hgv numbers. And a tacit recognition of Brexit causing issues in other sectors?

Edit: see it's meat processing too.

Shambles.

[lapsedhibee]

Once Bozo or any other Nasty party spokesman makes an announcement on things like this latest shambles it's usually best to do the opposite of what they say.

This should ensure that you are ahead of the game when the U turn occurs or the truth comes out.


Govt Propaganda Secretary at the BBC will be ensuring that plenty of footage of queueing at petrol stations is accompanied by a narrative that motorists are causing whatever shortages there are. Pensioners will probably be wanting to Panic Heat their homes later in the year.

[Bostonhibby]

Govt Propaganda Secretary at the BBC will be ensuring that plenty of footage of queueing at petrol stations is accompanied by a narrative that motorists are causing whatever shortages there are. Pensioners will probably be wanting to Panic Heat their homes later in the year.Nadine Dorries and the Tory loyalist who heads up the BBC will ensure this is shown in the best possible light for the Nasties.

It's really up to the public to see through it, or at least reach the point where those who turn a blind eye to it for whatever reason reach their personal breaking point on the deceptions.



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[Glory Lurker]

Govt Propaganda Secretary at the BBC will be ensuring that plenty of footage of queueing at petrol stations is accompanied by a narrative that motorists are causing whatever shortages there are. Pensioners will probably be wanting to Panic Heat their homes later in the year.

The front pages of the papers haven't helped though. They'll scream blue murder at anyone saying Britain's burst, but are quite happy to have a shot themselves if causing a panic will shift some copy.

[Hibrandenburg]

I was at a job interview yesterday and got chatting to a Polish driver who had been working in the UK and I asked him if he'd consider going back. He said never, why should I go back to a country where I'm treated like a rat and the people think they're superior.

[Glory Lurker]

I was at a job interview yesterday and got chatting to a Polish driver who had been working in the UK and I asked him if he'd consider going back. He said never, why should I go back to a country where I'm treated like a rat and the people think they're superior.

Don't blame him one bit. I doubt he'll be alone.

It shows the state of the press that there's no "Humiliating Brexit U-turn" headlines. Instead it's an easing of immigration rules. Can nobody call it as it is?

[weecounty hibby]

I was at a job interview yesterday and got chatting to a Polish driver who had been working in the UK and I asked him if he'd consider going back. He said never, why should I go back to a country where I'm treated like a rat and the people think they're superior.

Wasn't it just last Christmas that drivers couldn't get out of the UK and had to sleep in their cabs for days? No wonder he won't come back. What a **** show just to play out the right wing xenophobic fantasies

[ronaldo7]

Wasn't it just last Christmas that drivers couldn't get out of the UK and had to sleep in their cabs for days? No wonder he won't come back. What a **** show just to play out the right wing xenophobic fantasies

Whatever happened to the Kent lorry parks?

[Bostonhibby]

I was at a job interview yesterday and got chatting to a Polish driver who had been working in the UK and I asked him if he'd consider going back. He said never, why should I go back to a country where I'm treated like a rat and the people think they're superior.Theres a lot of Polish people round here and I guess that like British people they've got good and bad ones.

All I'd say is that the ones I've encountered, both casually and as customers is they are mostly grafters and honest in their dealings and were/still are back filling jobs that you don't see many locals doing.

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[ballengeich]

All I'd say is that the ones I've encountered, both casually and as customers is they are mostly grafters and honest in their dealings and were/still are back filling jobs that you don't see many locals doing.

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What we're now seeing is the extent to which UK middle class prosperity in recent years has been dependent on supplies of people from poorer countries willing to accept wages and living conditions that the said middle class people would not accept for themselves. The availability of this workforce also drove down conditions for the less educated of our own citizens.

Is that a pattern of society that we want to revert to?

[Ozyhibby]

What we're now seeing is the extent to which UK middle class prosperity in recent years has been dependent on supplies of people from poorer countries willing to accept wages and living conditions that the said middle class people would not accept for themselves. The availability of this workforce also drove down conditions for the less educated of our own citizens.

Is that a pattern of society that we want to revert to?

It’s not one or the other though. Denmark is a high wage economy within the EU.


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[Bostonhibby]

What we're now seeing is the extent to which UK middle class prosperity in recent years has been dependent on supplies of people from poorer countries willing to accept wages and living conditions that the said middle class people would not accept for themselves. The availability of this workforce also drove down conditions for the less educated of our own citizens.

Is that a pattern of society that we want to revert to?Not for me, the Nasty party luminaries would definitely prefer their chimneys to be swept for a farthing by the small child of a cap doffing brit who knows his place than some dubious foreigners though, how else do they convince everyone they've taken back control?[emoji16]

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[Glory Lurker]

The Romanian Who Saved Christmas.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Hopefully Bolsonaro rethinks and allows food packages to not-so Great Britain


or maybe Australia could send extra kangaroo meat

[Peevemor]

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[Bostonhibby]

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[Ozyhibby]

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[Pretty Boy]

For all the govt and brexiteers need to take responsibility for this there is some ******** behaviour on show.

I went to Asda today to stick fuel in the car because the warning light was on. Guy in front of me got out, didn't put any fuel in his car but proceeded to fill 3 10ltr Jerry cans which as well as being ridiculously selfish is also illegal. Tit.

[Ozyhibby]

For all the govt and brexiteers need to take responsibility for this there is some ******** behaviour on show.

I went to Asda today to stick fuel in the car because the warning light was on. Guy in front of me got out, didn't put any fuel in his car but proceeded to fill 3 10ltr Jerry cans which as well as being ridiculously selfish is also illegal. Tit.

It’s 100% on the UK govt that some people feel the need to behave like idiots.[emoji106]


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[Killiehibbie]

For all the govt and brexiteers need to take responsibility for this there is some ******** behaviour on show.

I went to Asda today to stick fuel in the car because the warning light was on. Guy in front of me got out, didn't put any fuel in his car but proceeded to fill 3 10ltr Jerry cans which as well as being ridiculously selfish is also illegal. Tit.

I fill my van once it goes below 1/4 and I was at 3 garages before I could get diesel this morning. Seemingly Shell sold 7 days of normal sales yesterday.

[hibsbollah]

There would be far, far longer queues for petrol under a Corbyn government though.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/chrislowndes/status/1441580701996838913?s=21

Interesting thread. It’s not just that there is a shortage of drivers but also that drivers can’t work as efficiently as they used to.


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[Hibrandenburg]

https://twitter.com/chrislowndes/status/1441580701996838913?s=21

Interesting thread. It’s not just that there is a shortage of drivers but also that drivers can’t work as efficiently as they used to.


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Just wait until the EU bans UK truckers completely. The changes to the requirements to pass an HGV test in the UK means that UK testing is no longer EU conform. It's only a matter of time before UK drivers won't be able to drive commercially in the EU.

[degenerated]

So the UK government is admitting that Brexit is contributing to the problem with hgv numbers. And a tacit recognition of Brexit causing issues in other sectors?

Edit: see it's meat processing too.

Shambles.And beer :greengrin25131

[Hibrandenburg]

Boys against men.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/sep/25/my-secret-brexit-diary-by-michel-barnier-review-a-british-roasting?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[ronaldo7]

Just wait until the EU bans UK truckers completely. The changes to the requirements to pass an HGV test in the UK means that UK testing is no longer EU conform. It's only a matter of time before UK drivers won't be able to drive commercially in the EU.

Im surprised that none of the UK journalists have thought about this.

They seem to be enthralled in Grant Schapps explanation of how he's made the tests easier/quicker, rather than where the tests allow you to drive.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Similar sign outside Shandwicks earlier.

[Bostonhibby]

Similar sign outside Shandwicks earlier.You grab all you can there, and I'll do the same here. [emoji6]

Meet you at Barnard Castle.

This time next year we'll be millionaires

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[Selkirkhibs]

I was at a job interview yesterday and got chatting to a Polish driver who had been working in the UK and I asked him if he'd consider going back. He said never, why should I go back to a country where I'm treated like a rat and the people think they're superior.

Wasn't that Hitler's nazi socialists and the UK among many other countries defeated them?

I've never met a UK citizen that thinks they are superior class. Most of us just get on with making a living and trying to live a decent life.

I understand that doesn't suit you're narrative but I'm all for truth not spin and lies.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58694004.amp
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Xmas is saved. [emoji23]


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[weecounty hibby]

So we're asking the folk we told to GTF to come back and help us out for 3 months then telling them to GTF again. Have I got that right?

[Ozyhibby]

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[Selkirkhibs]

So we're asking the folk we told to GTF to come back and help us out for 3 months then telling them to GTF again. Have I got that right?

A bit like the army being called in cause of the ambulance crisis caused by the Snp and Humza Yusef in particular who told Scots not to phone for ambulances unless they had carefully considered it?

Crisis what Crisis?

Dearie me.

[Selkirkhibs]

So we're asking the folk we told to GTF to come back and help us out for 3 months then telling them to GTF again. Have I got that right?

As an aside, my dumb as heck auld auntie today for the first time heckled the snp and sturgeon. She'd been brain dead banging on about them for the last few years but that changed after the Humza Yusef ambulance utterings and long waiting times that resulted in death for very unfortunate folks.

When my politically dumb as anything auld auntie changes tack on the snp it can only mean they are wising up against their utter failure.

I'm a dyed in the wool Hibernian supporter but hate the snp marxists. We Scots require political leadership and success not the snp and their dumbed down strategy of opposite and marxism.

[Radium]

A bit like the army being called in cause of the ambulance crisis caused by the Snp and Humza Yusef in particular who told Scots not to phone for ambulances unless they had carefully considered it?

Crisis what Crisis?

Dearie me.

NHS has been underfunded since the Liberals and Conservatives decided that the only way to deal with bankers backing the wrong horses was austerity. There’s different threads that deal with this though


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[Stairway 2 7]

As an aside, my dumb as heck auld auntie today for the first time heckled the snp and sturgeon. She'd been brain dead banging on about them for the last few years but that changed after the Humza Yusef ambulance utterings and long waiting times that resulted in death for very unfortunate folks.

When my politically dumb as anything auld auntie changes tack on the snp it can only mean they are wising up against their utter failure.

I'm a dyed in the wool Hibernian supporter but hate the snp marxists. We Scots require political leadership and success not the snp and their dumbed down strategy of opposite and marxism.

Sounds alot aulder and wiser than her glaikit nephew. She'll again look at the disaster down south and realise the snp are thankfully a world away from them

[Selkirkhibs]

NHS has been underfunded since the Liberals and Conservatives decided that the only way to deal with bankers backing the wrong horses was austerity. There’s different threads that deal with this though


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I suppose 'independence' will be the cure aye?

By how much has it been underfunded?

Remember that 'independence' would cause chaos and a total collapse of the whatever Scots currency.

Not forgetting either that we'd have become a marxist against capatalist tiny country.

[Glory Lurker]

I suppose 'independence' will be the cure aye?

By how much has it been underfunded?

Remember that 'independence' would cause chaos and a total collapse of the whatever Scots currency.

Not forgetting either that we'd have become a marxist against capatalist tiny country.

Bonkers.

[CapitalGreen]

I suppose 'independence' will be the cure aye?

By how much has it been underfunded?

Remember that 'independence' would cause chaos and a total collapse of the whatever Scots currency.

Not forgetting either that we'd have become a marxist against capatalist tiny country.

Stop describing stuff as Marxist like you know what it means when you clearly don’t, you’re embarrassing yourself.

[Selkirkhibs]

Stop describing stuff as Marxist like you know what it means when you clearly don’t, you’re embarrassing yourself.

Marxists are anti Capitalists. Doh. Behave.

[Selkirkhibs]

Bonkers.

Marxist snp anti capitalists are total Bonkers.

Mon the Cabbage.

[Kato]

Marxist **** who couldn't give a teuppeny about the poorest and worst off in society.

Whereas the cuddly capitalists are there to give the poor a hand up.

Give up.



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[Bostonhibby]

Wasn't that Hitler's nazi socialists and the UK among many other countries defeated them?

I've never met a UK citizen that thinks they are superior class. Most of us just get on with making a living and trying to live a decent life.

I understand that doesn't suit you're narrative but I'm all for truth not spin and lies.I'm guessing you don't live in the south of the country

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[hibsbollah]

Just rewatching This is England on E4. Tremendous.
I want Shane Meadows to do a This is England 2021. Shaun looks like a young south Yorkshire Boris.

[Selkirkhibs]

As my auld auntie now says 'these snp are useless.

She was braindeid towards these snp marxist useless swine just a couple of years ago.
Mon my auntiie

Love the Hibs.

[Hibrandenburg]

Wasn't that Hitler's nazi socialists and the UK among many other countries defeated them?

I've never met a UK citizen that thinks they are superior class. Most of us just get on with making a living and trying to live a decent life.

I understand that doesn't suit you're narrative but I'm all for truth not spin and lies.

I've no narrative, I'm just passing on what I was told and to be honest after reading the vitriol on trucker forums after Johnson announced the temporary relaxation on EU truckers coming back to the UK, I've no reason to disbelieve what I was told.

Maybe you can enlighten me as to what you think my "narrative" is.

[Hibrandenburg]

So we're asking the folk we told to GTF to come back and help us out for 3 months then telling them to GTF again. Have I got that right?

Apparently it's a narrative.

[Hibrandenburg]

Bonkers.

Too much pre Christmas sherry I reckon. But that's the reality of UK politics at the moment, if you want pensioners to have heating in the winter and poor kids to have regular meals, then you're a Marxist.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Wasn't that Hitler's nazi socialists and the UK among many other countries defeated them?

I've never met a UK citizen that thinks they are superior class. Most of us just get on with making a living and trying to live a decent life.

I understand that doesn't suit you're narrative but I'm all for truth not spin and lies.

The truth you seek depends on who you're mixing with. Of course not all Brits believe they are superior but I've worked with many hundreds of working class Brits, mostly English in my time. Get them together in a bar or the locker room and the banter reveals exactly what a bunch of arrogant, holier than thou, racist, xenophobic twats they are. These are who the Polish lorry driver had to deal with.

[DaveF]

I wondered where tornadoes got to.

Mon everybody except the SNP (especially my auld auntie and other people I'll make up)

[lapsedhibee]

I'm guessing you don't live in the south of the country


I'm guessing outer somewhere.

[heretoday]

Wasn't that Hitler's nazi socialists and the UK among many other countries defeated them?

I've never met a UK citizen that thinks they are superior class. Most of us just get on with making a living and trying to live a decent life.

I understand that doesn't suit you're narrative but I'm all for truth not spin and lies.

Exactly. Plenty Poles have settled here and think we're great.

[lord bunberry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58694004.amp
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Xmas is saved. [emoji23]


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I can’t see that many EU workers being desperate to come over here and work for 3 months. There will be plenty other options in the EU if you’re a lorry driver.

[Ozyhibby]

I can’t see that many EU workers being desperate to come over here and work for 3 months. There will be plenty other options in the EU if you’re a lorry driver.

Why would they when these driver shortages are being experienced by every country? Be better of staying in the EU.
Unless of course it is only the UK that is experiencing Labour shortages?


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[Hibrandenburg]

I can’t see that many EU workers being desperate to come over here and work for 3 months. There will be plenty other options in the EU if you’re a lorry driver.

There are. I've started getting letters from companies offering me jobs that I never even applied for. There's definitely a shortage of drivers over here but our shelves and pumps are all full. There must be something else going on in the UK that's effecting supply. :wink:

[lord bunberry]

As my auld auntie now says 'these snp are useless.

She was braindeid towards these snp marxist useless swine just a couple of years ago.
Mon my auntiie

Love the Hibs.
Are you this horrible to all your family if they have a different viewpoint politically to you? Calling people brain dead and dumb is pretty despicable behaviour and doesn’t have any place on here imo. Things can get a bit heated, but thankfully most don’t resort to the type of language you have been using, have a word with yourself mate.

[lord bunberry]

Why would they when these driver shortages are being experienced by every country? Be better of staying in the EU.
Unless of course it is only the UK that is experiencing Labour shortages?


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There are. I've started getting letters from companies offering me jobs that I never even applied for. There's definitely a shortage of drivers over here but our shelves and pumps are all full. There must be something else going on in the UK that's effecting supply. :wink:
If I was an EU lorry driver I’d stay in the EU as I’d be able to take a job that isn’t going to be over after 3 months.

[Ozyhibby]

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[Peevemor]

If I was an EU lorry driver I’d stay in the EU as I’d be able to take a job that isn’t going to be over after 3 months.If some UK firms are offering well over the going rate, they'll find folk easily enough who'll be happy to earn an extra few grand over 3 months. These are guys that are used to being away from home so it's not that much of a sacrifice and they'll easily find something else afterward.

[lord bunberry]

If some UK firms are offering well over the going rate, they'll find folk easily enough who'll be happy to earn an extra few grand over 3 months. These are guys that are used to being away from home so it's not that much of a sacrifice and they'll easily find something else afterward.
If there’s also a shortage in the EU will firms over there not be also offering well over the going rate and be able to offer more long term employment? I suppose it will depend on how much UK firms are prepared to pay.
I was actually thinking about becoming an HGV driver, but I’m not sure if I fancy the hours and working conditions.

[Bostonhibby]

If there’s also a shortage in the EU will firms over there not be also offering well over the going rate and be able to offer more long term employment? I suppose it will depend on how much UK firms are prepared to pay.
I was actually thinking about becoming an HGV driver, but I’m not sure if I fancy the hours and working conditions.Grant Schapps will sort it all out, only last week he was saying he's not wanting to see EU drivers undercutting UK drivers, so doing the opposite is at least consistent with party policy.

In the same week the Nasty party chair of the Transport select committee was on saying this problem is in fact down to the Haulage association who have ignored it for decades.

I must have missed the current shambles occurring previously.

It's almost as if there has been some major change which no one in power is allowed to even consider as the root of the problem.

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[lord bunberry]

Grant Schapps will sort it all out, only last week he was saying he's not wanting to see EU drivers undercutting UK drivers, so doing the opposite is at least consistent with party policy.

In the same week the Nasty party chair of the Transport select committee was on saying this problem is in fact down to the Haulage association who have ignored it for decades.

I must have missed the current shambles occurring previously.

It's almost as if there has been some major change which no one in power is allowed to even consider as the root of the problem.

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Sshhh don’t mention the b word.

[Peevemor]

If there’s also a shortage in the EU will firms over there not be also offering well over the going rate and be able to offer more long term employment? I suppose it will depend on how much UK firms are prepared to pay.
I was actually thinking about becoming an HGV driver, but I’m not sure if I fancy the hours and working conditions.Possibly, I don't know. It's just I read on here about some of the crazy money being offered in the UK.

[lapsedhibee]

If I was an EU lorry driver I’d stay in the EU as I’d be able to take a job that isn’t going to be over after 3 months.

A Dutchman shocks Mishal Hussein by giving his view on this issue on Radio 4 today (1:56:30 in): https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00101j8 :faf:

[DaveF]

A Dutchman shocks Mishal Hussein by giving his view on this issue on Radio 4 today (1:56:30 in): https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00101j8 :faf:

Got to love old Jonny Foreigner telling it like it is.

[Smartie]

A Dutchman shocks Mishal Hussein by giving his view on this issue on Radio 4 today (1:56:30 in): https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00101j8 :faf:

That's absolutely brilliant.

Our media tiptoeing around, not allowed to even mention the "B" word in relation to our current trouble yet that fellae can come on and describe the situation beautifully and concisely.

[Bostonhibby]

That's absolutely brilliant.

Our media tiptoeing around, not allowed to even mention the "B" word in relation to our current trouble yet that fellae can come on and describe the situation beautifully and concisely.Aye but Ian Duncan - Smith said the pandemic is to blame, without actually explaining why.

That'll be good enough for many now they've got their tank load of fuel on the driveway.

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[hibsbollah]

A Dutchman shocks Mishal Hussein by giving his view on this issue on Radio 4 today (1:56:30 in): https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00101j8 :faf:

Im loving that.

What we're seeing from the BBC in relation to Brexit is classic 'false objectivity'. It is an imperative for a journalist to tell the truth when it is staring them in the face, even if its going to upset Iain Duncan Smith and Mick from Middlesborough. Brexit is a ****show and we told you so.

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As an aside, my dumb as heck auld auntie today for the first time heckled the snp and sturgeon. She'd been brain dead banging on about them for the last few years but that changed after the Humza Yusef ambulance utterings and long waiting times that resulted in death for very unfortunate folks.

When my politically dumb as anything auld auntie changes tack on the snp it can only mean they are wising up against their utter failure.

I'm a dyed in the wool Hibernian supporter but hate the snp marxists. We Scots require political leadership and success not the snp and their dumbed down strategy of opposite and marxism.SNP Marxists :hilarious

[lord bunberry]

A Dutchman shocks Mishal Hussein by giving his view on this issue on Radio 4 today (1:56:30 in): https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00101j8 :faf:
Haha I suspect he’s not alone with that take on things. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1441451111034986496?s=21


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/germanambuk/status/1442485166446837761?s=21

The likely new German Chancellor.


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[Kato]

https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1441451111034986496?s=21


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNice sunlit uplands in the background.

Seems a decent, head screwed on guy. Plain understandable replies to all the questions. He's just one tiny part of the food business and he plainly now has to downsize. Extrapolate that over the whole sector and you can see how well the Tories have kept to their statement that they would "f@** business".

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/tazerblack/status/1441810467740008451?s=21

Must be a shortage of petrol cans as well.


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[Radium]

I suppose 'independence' will be the cure aye?

By how much has it been underfunded?

Remember that 'independence' would cause chaos and a total collapse of the whatever Scots currency.

Not forgetting either that we'd have become a marxist against capatalist tiny country.

Hyperbole. Austerity was the wrong choice and any left of centre government would have invested in recovery.


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[wookie70]

https://twitter.com/tazerblack/status/1441810467740008451?s=21

Must be a shortage of petrol cans as well.


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Just a shortage of drivers to deliver them. plenty cans in reserve

[Pretty Boy]

Out of interest has anyone actually had any issues buying fuel?

I stuck £30 in the car on Saturday. Drove straight into the pumps at Asda at the Jewel, waited whilst one person in front of me filled up cans then got my fuel and left. Was back in this morning at the store and there was a tanker unloading. Driver from my work filled a Sprinter with diesel this morning at the BP at Canonmills with no bother at all as well.

I'm supposed to be driving down south on Friday and that takes three quarters of a tank. I'm certain getting down will be fine. Where I am headed is very rural and only has 2 small petrol stations nearby, that is a slight concern but even then, probably naively, I'm not that worried.

[JeMeSouviens]

Out of interest has anyone actually had any issues buying fuel?

I stuck £30 in the car on Saturday. Drove straight into the pumps at Asda at the Jewel, waited whilst one person in front of me filled up cans then got my fuel and left. Was back in this morning at the store and there was a tanker unloading. Driver from my work filled a Sprinter with diesel this morning at the BP at Canonmills with no bother at all as well.

I'm supposed to be driving down south on Friday and that takes three quarters of a tank. I'm certain getting down will be fine. Where I am headed is very rural and only has 2 small petrol stations nearby, that is a slight concern but even then, probably naively, I'm not that worried.

It's not like toilet rolls. There is only a pretty limited amount of storage in folks' cars so it should settle down pretty quickly.

[Killiehibbie]

It's not like toilet rolls. There is only a pretty limited amount of storage in folks' cars so it should settle down pretty quickly.

The last time it happened there was a week with supply issues but once everybody has filled their tank they can only replace what they use.