Brexit - What Now.

[Lendo]

I will never be able to fathom how the fishing industry, worth only 0.02% to the UK’s economy ended up becoming one of the biggest Brexit issues.

[Bristolhibby]

Fishermen learning the hard way that it takes two to tango.

A buyer and a seller.

They improved their lot as a seller (catch more apparently) but at the expense of having limited access to their buyers (the EU market).

The EU who eat lots of the fish that live in U.K. waters.

Ironically the fish we eat (haddock and cod) live in Norwegian waters, which we now can’t fish in as we have no fishing deal with Norway.

You couldn’t write this.

Fishermen need to admit they have been shafted and get onboard the Indy bus, first stop EU membership.

J

[Hibrandenburg]

I will never be able to fathom how the fishing industry, worth only 0.02% to the UK’s economy ended up becoming one of the biggest Brexit issues.

It became a main battlefield because the pro Brexit side knew they could create an emotional response by painting a picture of EU pirates pillaging our sovereign waters. Of course, as we are now seeing it was all bull**** but it got the job done by creating outrage amongst the hard of thinking. Same applies for immigration and the NHS being the other 2 areas they abused to create outrage and convince people they were being robbed. Outrage is what populists thrive on.

[Jones28]

Fishermen learning the hard way that it takes two to tango.

A buyer and a seller.

They improved their lot as a seller (catch more apparently) but at the expense of having limited access to their buyers (the EU market).

The EU who eat lots of the fish that live in U.K. waters.

Ironically the fish we eat (haddock and cod) live in Norwegian waters, which we now can’t fish in as we have no fishing deal with Norway.

You couldn’t write this.

Fishermen need to admit they have been shafted and get onboard the Indy bus, first stop EU membership.

J

I won't hold my breath.

I don't want an industry to fail, but I won't lose much sleep over the boat captains who supported brexit suffering as a result. The crews? Thats where my sympathy is. Even so, the captains were lied to the same as everyone else who voted for Brexit; they weren't (AFAIK) privy to any additional information.

Once Brexit bites other industries I hope to see support for independence soar, the problem we have now (as Independence supporters) is that as soon as the Scottish government points any of this out they will be blasted for putting independence before COVID - which is of course utter nonsense when we take in to account how much energy has been put into the crises by NS and the SG.

[lapsedhibee]

Who'd ever have thought that disaster capitalism would have been a thing after Brexit? And particularly that that nice man Tim Wetherspoon might be involved in it? (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/19/most-non-food-pubs-england-still-awaiting-1000-covid-grants)

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/140797011_3956848234349756_6301749609308024058_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=RtIId1WleyYAX8_pSxA&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=a6bbf4f76a6e2939bfad469f2309a2d1&oe=602DC42C

[Just Alf]

Brexit: 'I was asked to pay an extra £82 for my £200 coat' (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55734277)

She says she was surprised, people have been saying this would happen from day 1! :rolleyes:

[Kato]

Brexit: 'I was asked to pay an extra £82 for my £200 coat' (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55734277)

She says she was surprised, people have been saying this would happen from day 1! :rolleyes:Remember all that silly red tape when we were members though.

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[ronaldo7]

Fishermen learning the hard way that it takes two to tango.

A buyer and a seller.

They improved their lot as a seller (catch more apparently) but at the expense of having limited access to their buyers (the EU market).

The EU who eat lots of the fish that live in U.K. waters.

Ironically the fish we eat (haddock and cod) live in Norwegian waters, which we now can’t fish in as we have no fishing deal with Norway.

You couldn’t write this.

Fishermen need to admit they have been shafted and get onboard the Indy bus, first stop EU membership.

J

They might after this.

https://twitter.com/DeidreBrock/status/1352225750011752449

Further down the thread, a meat exporter is gutted(no pun intended) about his load of pork rotting in Rotterdam

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55735980

The Government in England don't seem to want to bother about anyone exporting to the EU at the moment.

[Jones28]

They might after this.

https://twitter.com/DeidreBrock/status/1352225750011752449

Further down the thread, a meat exporter is gutted(no pun intended) about his load of pork rotting in Rotterdam

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55735980

The Government in England don't seem to want to bother about anyone exporting to the EU at the moment.

What a ****ing disgrace.

[Radium]

Wow,

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1352399226014199810?s=21


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[CloudSquall]

There is a perverse part of me that would love nothing better than to see true blue, loyal to the cause, no surrender Jimmy Buchan sweating it out as he tries to desperately continue to defend the Brexit deal as more and more **** hits the fan.


(For those that don't know he's the Tory brexiteer trawlerman from Peterhead that was on a TV show more than a few years ago who was hailing Brexit as the return to the glory days of trawling).

[Bristolhibby]

Why would the U.K. Government do this? I mean what’s the point? How could Britain possibly benefit?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55742664?fbclid=IwAR3fau0z2dEqtf_tUw8Lid96QktlHrIn nDTIIVEXAK45732tyDAWs9zmGSw

[lapsedhibee]

Why would the U.K. Government do this? I mean what’s the point? How could Britain possibly benefit?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55742664?fbclid=IwAR3fau0z2dEqtf_tUw8Lid96QktlHrIn nDTIIVEXAK45732tyDAWs9zmGSw

It's the only thing it's ever done successfully - campaign to leave the EU. So, if you can't get anything else right, why not just carry on doing that.

[Glory Lurker]

Why would the U.K. Government do this? I mean what’s the point? How could Britain possibly benefit?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55742664?fbclid=IwAR3fau0z2dEqtf_tUw8Lid96QktlHrIn nDTIIVEXAK45732tyDAWs9zmGSw

It is evidence that the UK government are a bunch of children. Pathetic. It's not set in stone yet so here's hoping they take a tumble to themselves and behave like a responsible administration on this (they clearly won't manage that generally).

[Hibrandenburg]

Why would the U.K. Government do this? I mean what’s the point? How could Britain possibly benefit?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55742664?fbclid=IwAR3fau0z2dEqtf_tUw8Lid96QktlHrIn nDTIIVEXAK45732tyDAWs9zmGSw

I'd imagine the thinking behind it is to force individual EU nations to deal with the UK government as single sovereign countries rather than a unified block of nations. They're probably hoping to open up cracks in the EU's unity and therefore weaken their position at the negotiating table.

[neil7908]

I'd imagine the thinking behind it is to force individual EU nations to deal with the UK government as single sovereign countries rather than a unified block of nations. They're probably hoping to open up cracks in the EU's unity and therefore weaken their position at the negotiating table.

I honestly think it's more simple than that - it's just petty vindictiveness. They want to bring down the EU and now we are out, there are no restraints. I'm expecting plenty more of this to come.

[Future17]

Why would the U.K. Government do this? I mean what’s the point? How could Britain possibly benefit?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55742664?fbclid=IwAR3fau0z2dEqtf_tUw8Lid96QktlHrIn nDTIIVEXAK45732tyDAWs9zmGSw

I'm very much anti-Brexit but I think, now we are where we are, this is the right thing to do. I don't think it's in our interest to do things differently.

[Jones28]

I'd imagine the thinking behind it is to force individual EU nations to deal with the UK government as single sovereign countries rather than a unified block of nations. They're probably hoping to open up cracks in the EU's unity and therefore weaken their position at the negotiating table.


I honestly think it's more simple than that - it's just petty vindictiveness. They want to bring down the EU and now we are out, there are no restraints. I'm expecting plenty more of this to come.

I think there a middle ground between these two points. I honestly don't think anyone in this government is clever enough to come to Hibrandenburgs' conclusion themselves and that it started off as what neil7908 suggests, but now they're seeing what it's doing they'll double down.

[McSwanky]

Wow,

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1352399226014199810?s=21


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Wow indeed. Lucky them, eh? **** Scotland though, they can suck it up. Bloody Jocks.

:rolleyes:

[Hibrandenburg]

Wow indeed. Lucky them, eh? **** Scotland though, they can suck it up. Bloody Jocks.

:rolleyes:

He's basically now telling NI that the situation they find themselves in is the best position to be in. Isn’t that what we all had before Brexit?

[Mon Dieu4]

He's basically now telling NI that the situation they find themselves in is the best position to be in. Isn’t that what we all had before Brexit?

I like the Irish, nothing against them but getting special treatment because of the overriding threat of violence sticks in my craw

[Jones28]

Wow,

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1352399226014199810?s=21


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Telling NI they are in the optimum position because they have unfettered access to the UK and the EU, yet when Scotland asked for the same we were dismissed like a naughty child.

[Jones28]

I like the Irish, nothing against them but getting special treatment because of the overriding threat of violence sticks in my craw

I do agree to an extent, but the recent historical context does make me think it's fair on balance.

[Hibrandenburg]

HGV restrictions have now been "temporarily" lifted due to Brexit and Covid. EU regulations put in place to ensure drivers aren't being forced to drive whilst fatigued have now been changed so that drivers can now drive up to 11 hours per day and work 60 hours a week. I for one doubt these safety measures will ever be reintroduced.

[Ozyhibby]

I do agree to an extent, but the recent historical context does make me think it's fair on balance.

It’s not fair at all. Either we are all the same or we are not? How can one part of the union have more rights than other parts? Why should we be second class citizens?


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210122/524639ef4e4dd8b3beb4b5143f8652bf.jpg
SNP the only party sticking up for Scotland again.


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[Jones28]

It’s not fair at all. Either we are all the same or we are not? How can one part of the union have more rights than other parts? Why should we be second class citizens?


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Because people were killed in NI within my lifetime because of the troubles. I'm trying to look at it on balance and I don't know when the last person was killed over an England/Scotland border dispute.

On the fairness of it to the other parts of the UK though I do think it should be extended to those parts of the UK that want it too.

But we can't do that because we voted to leave the club.

****ing Brexit.

[Ozyhibby]

Because people were killed in NI within my lifetime because of the troubles. I'm trying to look at it on balance and I don't know when the last person was killed over an England/Scotland border dispute.

On the fairness of it to the other parts of the UK though I do think it should be extended to those parts of the UK that want it too.

But we can't do that because we voted to leave the club.

****ing Brexit.

Give it time. If the UK take away democracy in Scotland then that will be a green light to the nutcases.


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[neil7908]

I think there a middle ground between these two points. I honestly don't think anyone in this government is clever enough to come to Hibrandenburgs' conclusion themselves and that it started off as what neil7908 suggests, but now they're seeing what it's doing they'll double down.

You might be onto something.

[Killiehibbie]

HGV restrictions have now been "temporarily" lifted due to Brexit and Covid. EU regulations put in place to ensure drivers aren't being forced to drive whilst fatigued have now been changed so that drivers can now drive up to 11 hours per day and work 60 hours a week. I for one doubt these safety measures will ever be reintroduced.

All part of the masterplan. Work us to death and save on the pensions that they can't afford or have robbed
Is the government forced me to keep driving any defence when 44 tonnes runs over the top of a few cars?

[Jones28]

Give it time. If the UK take away democracy in Scotland then that will be a green light to the nutcases.


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:agree:

If Scotland is seen to have democratic powers taken away the radges will mobilise.

[Mr Grieves]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210122/524639ef4e4dd8b3beb4b5143f8652bf.jpg
SNP the only party sticking up for Scotland again.


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That's a good move by the Scottish government.

[Hibbyradge]

That's a good move by the Scottish government.

UK government won't allow it. They'd be driving another wedge between Scotland and rUK

But if they don't, they'll just increase the Yes vote.

Great move and I hope it comes off.

[wookie70]

Wow,

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1352399226014199810?s=21


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He is right. NI has a massive advantage not afforded to other nations in the UK who voted to remain. You would have to be brain dead, he is, to not understand that that is an issue when we are meant to be a Union of equal parts.

He fails to acknowledge when talking about the United part of the United Kingdom is how damaging to the Union it is when one part has been massively advantaged while other parts hugely disadvantaged. It makes a mockery of the Union and predictably it is Scotland who have suffered far more than any of the nations in the Union. He is a fairly typical Tory Minister in that everything he says is not thought through and he is more desperate to be positive than to make any sense.

He also fails to recognise that we all had the advantage that NI now has before we were stupid enough to leave the EU

We are a group of nations ran by Dodgy car sales men and women

[Mr Grieves]

Interesting take on how we ended up with the hardest possible brexit https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1352575097308143616?s=20

[ronaldo7]

One of the news channels did a piece on this guy just after the year. He was a bit chipper then about the new horizons. He's like a damp squib now.

https://twitter.com/BylineTV/status/1352364589414019073

[Jones28]

One of the news channels did a piece on this guy just after the year. He was a bit chipper then about the new horizons. He's like a damp squib now.

https://twitter.com/BylineTV/status/1352364589414019073

I don’t know what to say about someone like that. What’s the sense in kicking people who have been completely hoodwinked?

[Lendo]

I don’t know what to say about someone like that. What’s the sense in kicking people who have been completely hoodwinked?

I am probably an awful person for it, but I get a horrible pleasure out of watching Leave Voters realise they’ve made a mistake. These people need to live with their mistake, ultimately they were the ones that put the X in the Leave box, no one held a gun to their head. All the information was out there for people to find and read.

To answer your question about what’s the sense in kicking these people when they are down. Hopefully videos like this serve to educate people and stop them believing everything they read on Facebook or on the side of a red bus.

[Hibbyradge]

I am probably an awful person for it, but I get a horrible pleasure out of watching Leave Voters realise they’ve made a mistake. These people need to live with their mistake, ultimately they were the ones that put the X in the Leave box, no one held a gun to their head. All the information was out there for people to find and read.

To answer your question about what’s the sense in kicking these people when they are down. Hopefully videos like this serve to educate people and stop them believing everything they read on Facebook or on the side of a red bus.

It's not like anyone told them what really would happen...

[Hibrandenburg]

I am probably an awful person for it, but I get a horrible pleasure out of watching Leave Voters realise they’ve made a mistake. These people need to live with their mistake, ultimately they were the ones that put the X in the Leave box, no one held a gun to their head. All the information was out there for people to find and read.

To answer your question about what’s the sense in kicking these people when they are down. Hopefully videos like this serve to educate people and stop them believing everything they read on Facebook or on the side of a red bus.

The majority of the Brexit flock are still in denial and will be for some time yet. Most of them will never reach a stage of acceptance because they are only happy when they're angry and they'll be angry not at themselves, no their anger will be aimed at remainers and the EU. Most remainers have already gone through the whole Kübler-Ross model and are now at acceptance and because of that they'll also be the ones left to pick up the pieces whilst the Brexiteers will still be looking for someone else to blame.

[hibsbollah]

I don’t know what to say about someone like that. What’s the sense in kicking people who have been completely hoodwinked?

It’s easy to feel sorry for him, but as a fishermen he’s being a bit disingenuous. It wasn’t about ‘independence’ or having a ‘better future for his children’, it’s about his greed to make more money short term out of the sea, unsustainably like they did in the 1960s and 70s which is why the stocks are in the mess they’re in. And which human nature dictates most of them will continue to do until they’re stopped from doing so. Fishing communities voted for Brexit and swallowed Farages lies because they were greedy. That’s why bureaucratic control over catches is 100% necessary.

[Jonnyboy]

It is evidence that the UK government are a bunch of children. Pathetic. It's not set in stone yet so here's hoping they take a tumble to themselves and behave like a responsible administration on this (they clearly won't manage that generally).

This stinks of Rees-Mogg and his ilk. Working away in the background to make sure it’s not just our fish that are happier being British

[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/brexit-hit-firms-advised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu?__twitter_impression=true

UK govt advising businesses to move abroad.


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[GlesgaeHibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/brexit-hit-firms-advised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu?__twitter_impression=true

UK govt advising businesses to move abroad.


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Utterly mental. Govt effectively saying to business that if the ridiculous amount of red tape you have to deal with, due to the self-inflicted madness we've imposed, just take your jobs and tax revenue abroad.

[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/24/bill-for-boris-johnson-brexit-is-coming-punishingly-steep?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Scotland really needs to jump ship here. Although that will mean a border with England at least we will be back connected with the rest of Europe. Now that the UK has left the SM and CU there is no no harm options left.


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[lapsedhibee]

Wonder why on earth the Caymans are receiving such favourable treatment? (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cayman-islands-awash-with-covid-vaccines-762l5z9tz?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1611475832)

[Hibrandenburg]

Wonder why on earth the Caymans are receiving such favourable treatment? (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cayman-islands-awash-with-covid-vaccines-762l5z9tz?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1611475832)

That's a real riddle, who could possibly have an interest in ensuring business as usual in a dodgy tax haven? :dunno:

[ronaldo7]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/brexit-hit-firms-advised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu?__twitter_impression=true

UK govt advising businesses to move abroad.


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Just one of the many now moving complete or part of their business abroad. The Tories have cocked this up big style.

Simon Spurrell said he has lost 20% of his sales overnight after discovering he needed to provide a £180 health certificate on retail orders to consumers in the EU, including those buying personal gift packs of his award-winning wax-wrapped cheese worth £25 or £30.

He says he had hoped to take part in the “sunny uplands” promised by the government post-Brexit but has instead seen the viability of his online retail come to a “dead stop”.

“Our business had high hopes of continued growth in the EU market, after seeing the avoidance of the no-deal and announcement of a free trade deal.



“What has only become clear in the last week is that our successful B2C [business to consumer] online sales to EU consumers is now impossible to operate,” he said.

To save his business he will now have to switch a £1m investment he was planning to make in a new distribution centre in Macclesfield to the EU, with the loss of 20 jobs and tax revenue to the UK.

“It is a real shame because that means I’m now going to invest in France, provide French employment, and then contribute to the EU tax system, which was pretty much going against the whole reason that we were meant to be leaving.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/cheshire-cheesemaker-says-business-left-with-250000-brexit-hole

[ballengeich]

It seems that Brexit has not been "done". There's a need for negotiators to get back together and sort out things which were omitted from the deal. While the consequences are economically worse for the UK, producers in the EU will also be losing out from the additional bureaucracy that's in place and would probably welcome relaxation of requirements. That's on top of the complete absence of any deal for services.

The 2020 treaty has emulated the 2019 treaty in allowing the PM to meet a deadline date regardless of the merit of the deal. An old acquaintance of Boris Johnson once said that anyone who puts their trust in him will be betrayed. In 2019 the Unionists saw Northern Ireland given away, this time it's small businesses who generally are Conservative who're being most economically damaged. The EU negotiators have completely outsmarted ours.

I wonder if the Remainers in parliament now regret not having supported Mrs May's negotiated arrangement, which looks as if it was the best possible leaving deal for GDP.

[ronaldo7]

It seems that Brexit has not been "done". There's a need for negotiators to get back together and sort out things which were omitted from the deal. While the consequences are economically worse for the UK, producers in the EU will also be losing out from the additional bureaucracy that's in place and would probably welcome relaxation of requirements. That's on top of the complete absence of any deal for services.

The 2020 treaty has emulated the 2019 treaty in allowing the PM to meet a deadline date regardless of the merit of the deal. An old acquaintance of Boris Johnson once said that anyone who puts their trust in him will be betrayed. In 2019 the Unionists saw Northern Ireland given away, this time it's small businesses who generally are Conservative who're being most economically damaged. The EU negotiators have completely outsmarted ours.

I wonder if the Remainers in parliament now regret not having supported Mrs May's negotiated arrangement, which looks as if it was the best possible leaving deal for GDP.

Why will the EU need to come back to the table? As each day passes, those businesses in the EU seem to be sourcing their products from within the block and the Uk producers are left looking in.

I think they'll let us stew in our Brexit mess for a while longer, and once they've got all their ducks in line, they might offer a few crumbs from the table.

The alternative of course is what's actually happening, with companies moving to countries within the block.

[ballengeich]

Why will the EU need to come back to the table? As each day passes, those businesses in the EU seem to be sourcing their products from within the block and the Uk producers are left looking in.

I think they'll let us stew in our Brexit mess for a while longer, and once they've got all their ducks in line, they might offer a few crumbs from the table.

The alternative of course is what's actually happening, with companies moving to countries within the block.
While they can source most products elsewhere I think they'll want obstacles to selling to us eased in the medium term.

I agree completely with your second paragraph.

[Ozyhibby]

It seems that Brexit has not been "done". There's a need for negotiators to get back together and sort out things which were omitted from the deal. While the consequences are economically worse for the UK, producers in the EU will also be losing out from the additional bureaucracy that's in place and would probably welcome relaxation of requirements. That's on top of the complete absence of any deal for services.

The 2020 treaty has emulated the 2019 treaty in allowing the PM to meet a deadline date regardless of the merit of the deal. An old acquaintance of Boris Johnson once said that anyone who puts their trust in him will be betrayed. In 2019 the Unionists saw Northern Ireland given away, this time it's small businesses who generally are Conservative who're being most economically damaged. The EU negotiators have completely outsmarted ours.

I wonder if the Remainers in parliament now regret not having supported Mrs May's negotiated arrangement, which looks as if it was the best possible leaving deal for GDP.

There won’t be any renegotiation any time soon. It’s done for a good few years. The EU is now recalibration go their trade without us. Ireland already setting up extra ferry services rather than go through the uk. Scotland will need to do the same when we rejoin the EU. There will be a big future for Rosyth.


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[wookie70]

That's a real riddle, who could possibly have an interest in ensuring business as usual in a dodgy tax haven? :dunno:
They don't even try to hide it now. What makes it worse is Scottish Taxpayers will have had to be our proportion for those vaccines. We are essentially investing in a Tax Dodging scheme where we receive no benefit

[wookie70]

Why will the EU need to come back to the table? As each day passes, those businesses in the EU seem to be sourcing their products from within the block and the Uk producers are left looking in.

I think they'll let us stew in our Brexit mess for a while longer, and once they've got all their ducks in line, they might offer a few crumbs from the table.

The alternative of course is what's actually happening, with companies moving to countries within the block.

In the middle and long term I doubt Brexit will be an issue for the EU. We pee'd the bed and the EU are not going to change the sheets for us.

[ronaldo7]

In the middle and long term I doubt Brexit will be an issue for the EU. We pee'd the bed and the EU are not going to change the sheets for us.

Meanwhile, we can have our cake and eat it, just don't try taking it across to France, it'll likely be impounded.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/24/bill-for-boris-johnson-brexit-is-coming-punishingly-steep

[ronaldo7]

I missed this report a couple of days ago. Looks like Holyhead is potted heid.

https://www.channel4.com/news/200-lorries-turned-back-at-uk-crossings-every-day-due-to-new-paperwork

[wookie70]

I missed this report a couple of days ago. Looks like Holyhead is potted heid.

https://www.channel4.com/news/200-lorries-turned-back-at-uk-crossings-every-day-due-to-new-paperwork

They voted to leave but at that time it was difficult to know exactly what Brexit would be and most high profile leavers lied about wanting to stay in the customs Union etc.

I might have had a tiny bit of sympathy but they doubled down by voting Tory in the 2019 election knowing that it was definitely going to mean at best a hardish Brexit and also the potential of no deal. You would have to be a moron to vote for Brexit and Tory in a port town doing lots of business to and from the EU. Those that voted Tory deserve every bit of hardship they voted for.

[Ozyhibby]

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Don’t use your MasterCard abroad or on good purchased from the EU. Higher prices are on the way.


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[tamig]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210125/edaa48e44dba693422983d9bcc99ccbe.jpg

Don’t use your MasterCard abroad or on good purchased from the EU. Higher prices are on the way.


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Was on the lacoste website last night and they have the following notice -

What are the key delivery updates to receive orders?
Delivery is free on orders over £80 or £5.95 for orders below. We deliver using DHL Express where your items will be with you in 2-3 working days.

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Suspect we’ll be seeing a lot more of this - or if its purchased from a UK retailer the UK retail prices will be bumped up to account for the additional charges.

[StevieC]

I’m seeing quite a lot of posts in various FB groups about customs charges being added to orders placed with European companies.

This from SIP, a popular scooter parts company in Germany

“ Our customers receive their goods within 2-3 working days as they are used to by UPS. Express Service is available at extra costs. Around 2 weeks later customers will receive a „customs invoice“ with the "import turnover tax" equivalent to UK Vat, issued by UPS. All goods being sent by us are not subject to duties. ”

[Jones28]

Just listening to a guy on radio explain the difficulties of importing wine in to the UK from the EU now. From 1 document with multiple pages to 5 with multiple pages, £150 for the documentation, then there's the actual job of persuading hauliers to bring the stuff over to the UK, and when you've got lorry drivers waiting 5 days to get in and out of the country they're deserting runs to the UK for other routes all over the continent. Haulage costs are doubling because these drivers still need paid and storage costs have increased (doubled) because things are moving a lot more slowly.

[JeMeSouviens]

Just listening to a guy on radio explain the difficulties of importing wine in to the UK from the EU now. From 1 document with multiple pages to 5 with multiple pages, £150 for the documentation, then there's the actual job of persuading hauliers to bring the stuff over to the UK, and when you've got lorry drivers waiting 5 days to get in and out of the country they're deserting runs to the UK for other routes all over the continent. Haulage costs are doubling because these drivers still need paid and storage costs have increased (doubled) because things are moving a lot more slowly.

I got a couple of cases of wine shipped from Portugal last year. The company just sent me an update on revised costs for UK orders. So you knock off the local Portugese sales tax, add UK duty, VAT (on the price inc duty) and a handling charge on top of the shipping for dealing with the charges. End result, £4 - £5 extra per bottle :rolleyes:

[Ozyhibby]

There is no doubt that wine is going to become a lot more expensive.


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[greenlex]

Yaayy. I’ve a Union flag back on my driving licence.🇬🇧

[StevieC]

Was having a discussion elsewhere (along the lines of money saved by not paying into EU) and discovered this document.

Seemed relevant on here, given all that’s getting talked about regarding fishing and agriculture.

https://digitalpublications.parliament.scot/ResearchBriefings/Report/2018/9/28/European-Union-funding-in-Scotland

[weecounty hibby]

Was having a discussion elsewhere (along the lines of money saved by not paying into EU) and discovered this document.

Seemed relevant on here, given all that’s getting talked about regarding fishing and agriculture.

https://digitalpublications.parliament.scot/ResearchBriefings/Report/2018/9/28/European-Union-funding-in-Scotland

Aye but a bus with £350m per week returned to the NHS on the side of it trumps any kind of facts that you can come up with!!

[Jones28]

I got a couple of cases of wine shipped from Portugal last year. The company just sent me an update on revised costs for UK orders. So you knock off the local Portugese sales tax, add UK duty, VAT (on the price inc duty) and a handling charge on top of the shipping for dealing with the charges. End result, £4 - £5 extra per bottle :rolleyes:


There is no doubt that wine is going to become a lot more expensive.


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Oh and to make matters even more positive the same guy (a wine importer and distributer) said that we would pay more for American wine because our deal with America isn't as good as theirs is with the EU.

[Ozyhibby]

Oh and to make matters even more positive the same guy (a wine importer and distributer) said that we would pay more for American wine because our deal with America isn't as good as theirs is with the EU.

Which means Australian and South American wines will feel they have room to increase their prices.


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[weecounty hibby]

My wife ordered a jacket from Germany on 2nd January. Still no sign of it and we have been told by the factory that it has been despatched but is held in customs. Started talking about a refund but they said no way as it has been dispatched and not their fault its not arrived. We also think we will need to pay extra for the privilege as well. Still I'm sure that warm winter jacket will come in handy next winter

[Ozyhibby]

My wife ordered a jacket from Germany on 2nd January. Still no sign of it and we have been told by the factory that it has been despatched but is held in customs. Started talking about a refund but they said no way as it has been dispatched and not their fault its not arrived. We also think we will need to pay extra for the privilege as well. Still I'm sure that warm winter jacket will come in handy next winter

I think when ordering online now, it’s probably best to make sure it’s coming from the UK.


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[weecounty hibby]

I think when ordering online now, it’s probably best to make sure it’s coming from the UK.


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Yrah, stupidly we never even gave it a thought. Just so used to being able to do stuff like that with no hassle whatsoever. Still I'm sure there are many upsides to brexit that we will discover at some point. Surely?!

[ronaldo7]

Yrah, stupidly we never even gave it a thought. Just so used to being able to do stuff like that with no hassle whatsoever. Still I'm sure there are many upsides to brexit that we will discover at some point. Surely?!

Heads up for the future, don't pay with mastercard. Another Tory Brexit bonus.

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/money/topstories/mastercard-to-raise-fees-for-uk-purchases-from-eu/ar-BB1d4p1T

[weecounty hibby]

Heads up for the future, don't pay with mastercard. Another Tory Brexit bonus.

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/money/topstories/mastercard-to-raise-fees-for-uk-purchases-from-eu/ar-BB1d4p1T

Aye, saw that earlier. My debit cards are actually Mastercards so will need to watch out for that as well.

[Keith_M]

Aye but a bus with £350m per week returned to the NHS on the side of it trumps any kind of facts that you can come up with!!



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsfUhWXXAAA_n7z?format=jpg&name=small

[Keith_M]

I think when ordering online now, it’s probably best to make sure it’s coming from the UK.
...


The Brexit Bonus.


https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/j88AAOSwqDpdb3s7/s-l300.jpg

[cabbageandribs1875]

i think a lot of employers will be doing s*it like this in the very near future, tory b***ards taking us back to the old workhouses most likely :agree: and the ****s that help vote this sc*m in, sickening


https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/142724580_3399415176851725_4636658600006584780_n.p ng?_nc_cat=100&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=ky5YwnRb70kAX94O5Ut&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=a8b29ecc34d9c2efb1ff3a1762c5a434&oe=60344650


thoroughly disgusting treatment coming after the vast profits tesco and other stores have made since last march

sorry if it's not too clear

[DaveF]

i think a lot of employers will be doing s*it like this in the very near future, tory b***ards taking us back to the old workhouses most likely :agree: and the ****s that help vote this sc*m in, sickening


https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/142724580_3399415176851725_4636658600006584780_n.p ng?_nc_cat=100&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=ky5YwnRb70kAX94O5Ut&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=a8b29ecc34d9c2efb1ff3a1762c5a434&oe=60344650


thoroughly disgusting treatment coming after the vast profits tesco and other stores have made since last march

sorry if it's not too clear

https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/33078

The above one is from 2007 at the same depot. One thing I do notice is that the projected loss of earnings is £5000 - same as the current complaint.

[cabbageandribs1875]

some fun in the London snow

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[cabbageandribs1875]

https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/33078

The above one is from 2007 at the same depot. One thing I do notice is that the projected loss of earnings is £5000 - same as the current complaint.


i took that from her page today :0 that's a heck of a lot of money to lose

[Mr Grieves]

Loyalists not happy about the GB - Northern Ireland border.

https://amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/loyalists-hold-talks-with-nio-to-express-anger-over-irish-sea-border-39997279.html?__twitter_impression=true

[degenerated]

Loyalists not happy about the GB - Northern Ireland border.

https://amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/loyalists-hold-talks-with-nio-to-express-anger-over-irish-sea-border-39997279.html?__twitter_impression=trueNo surprise to note that dilution of identity featured before empty shelves in the article.

[Bristolhibby]

No surprise to note that dilution of identity featured before empty shelves in the article.

They had a deal (Mays deal) and voted it down.

Strange that I long for that deal now.

J

[CloudSquall]

It does surprise me more fuss hasn´t been made about the progression from "we´ll never accept a different deal for NI, it´s a line in the sand, we are one united kingdom" to "with this deal NI gets the best of both worlds!!"


That reminds me, have Davidson and Mundell resigned yet given the different deal for NI?

[degenerated]

Even by the standards of this government this is a new low

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/26/eu-citizens-offered-financial-incentives-to-leave-uk?__twitter_impression=true

[Jones28]

Even by the standards of this government this is a new low

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/26/eu-citizens-offered-financial-incentives-to-leave-uk?__twitter_impression=true

Jesus

[Keith_M]

Even by the standards of this government this is a new low

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/26/eu-citizens-offered-financial-incentives-to-leave-uk?__twitter_impression=true


Apologies if I've picked this up wrong, but aren't they just offering assistance to those who actually want to return home, i.e. it's voluntary?


:dunno:

[degenerated]

Apologies if I've picked this up wrong, but aren't they just offering assistance to those who actually want to return home, i.e. it's voluntary?


:dunno:Its not a good look however you dress it up

[Jones28]

Apologies if I've picked this up wrong, but aren't they just offering assistance to those who actually want to return home, i.e. it's voluntary?


:dunno:

I read it as more of a **** off payment. "Right Foreigners, we'll give you two grand to **** off back to where you came from".

[degenerated]

I read it as more of a **** off payment. "Right Foreigners, we'll give you two grand to **** off back to where you came from".It's an inducement to encourage EEA citizens to leave rather than stay and apply for settled status.
It's the equivalent of the 1970s skinhead in the pub offering a black guy £20 to put towards his fare home.

Its some shameful sh*t and thoroughly embarrassing.

[Keith_M]

I read it as more of a **** off payment. "Right Foreigners, we'll give you two grand to **** off back to where you came from".


Ah, OK. I can see how it would appeal to certain segments of UK society.


It's probably a failing on my part but I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.

[Bristolhibby]

This is a doozy.

Lough Neagh eels can't be sold in Britain, as they are protected and the EU bans their sale outside the EU.

NI is still governed by these rules so the jellied eel sellers in London have no stock.

You can’t make this sh it up!

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-55818519

J

[Saturday Boy]

This is a doozy.

Lough Neagh eels can't be sold in Britain, as they are protected and the EU bans their sale outside the EU.

NI is still governed by these rules so the jellied eel sellers in London have no stock.

You can’t make this sh it up!

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-55818519

J


Somebody is going to have to come up with a new word.

Cluster****** no longer seems adequate.

[Ozyhibby]

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[Sergio sledge]

This is a doozy.

Lough Neagh eels can't be sold in Britain, as they are protected and the EU bans their sale outside the EU.

NI is still governed by these rules so the jellied eel sellers in London have no stock.

You can’t make this sh it up!

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-55818519

J

They can't re-stock because they usually get their stock from Great Britain (despite being part of the UK), and they have lost 20% of their market because they can't sell to Britain (despite being part of the UK). What an absolute mess.

[Saturday Boy]

They can't re-stock because they usually get their stock from Great Britain (despite being part of the UK), and they have lost 20% of their market because they can't sell to Britain (despite being part of the UK). What an absolute mess.

But they’re happy British eels.

Or something.

[Smartie]

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It’s now BRITISH paint, and it’s better and happier for it.

[Colr]

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David Greig in his prophetic play “Europe” said a border is a magic money line. They can be used to extract tax by government.

[Bostonhibby]

This is a doozy.

Lough Neagh eels can't be sold in Britain, as they are protected and the EU bans their sale outside the EU.

NI is still governed by these rules so the jellied eel sellers in London have no stock.

You can’t make this sh it up!

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-55818519

JWhat next?

I can see that pesky EU causing a shortage of buttons for pearly king hats and jackets.

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[degenerated]

What next?

I can see that pesky EU causing a shortage of buttons for pearly king hats and jackets.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkThe phrase "gor blimey guvnor you're a toff and no mistake" being given protected status and the use of it by UK immigrants in South of Spain being illegal.

[ronaldo7]

What next?

I can see that pesky EU causing a shortage of buttons for pearly king hats and jackets.

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Pigs...No not Bozo and friends in the Nasty party. They only trough for cash. The Brexit list goes on and on.

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-pig-farmers-boris-johnson-trade-eu-agriculture/

[wookie70]

But they’re happy British eels.

Or something. The ones in NI are dual nationality eels so even happier

[ballengeich]

Pigs...No not Bozo and friends in the Nasty party. They only trough for cash. The Brexit list goes on and on.

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-pig-farmers-boris-johnson-trade-eu-agriculture/
I sympathise with the farmers who're losing out, but isn't there an underlying longer-term question as to why we both export and import pork and bacon in order to maximise supermarket profits? I'd like to see fewer food miles and people eating healthy locally produced products when possible.

[lapsedhibee]

Pigs...No not Bozo and friends in the Nasty party. They only trough for cash. The Brexit list goes on and on.

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-pig-farmers-boris-johnson-trade-eu-agriculture/

If the 100,000 stuck pigs die, think we know who'll be 'taking full responsibility'.

[Bostonhibby]

The phrase "gor blimey guvnor you're a toff and no mistake" being given protected status and the use of it by UK immigrants in South of Spain being illegal.Wholesome British sounding names like Nigel, or Nige, need protecting before they are ultimately obliterated by future generations of Jacob's, De Pfeffel, Francois etc after the inevitable clamour by a grateful nation to name future generations after the architects of the brave new forward looking country they have created.

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[Keith_M]

Wholesome British sounding names like Nigel, or Nige, need protecting before they are ultimately obliterated by future generations of Jacob's, De Pfeffel, Francois etc after the inevitable clamour by a grateful nation to name future generations after the architects of the brave new forward looking country they have created.



Or Boris.

[Bostonhibby]

Or Boris.[emoji16]

I just can't bring myself to use that term when the more descriptive Bozo is available.



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[Keith_M]

[emoji16]

I just can't bring myself to use that term when the more descriptive Bozo is available.





As I often say to my dear wife...


Apologies, it was remiss of me to raise the subject.

[Bostonhibby]

As I often say to my dear wife...


Apologies, it was remiss of me to raise the subject.Have you considered a less expensive wife?[emoji16]

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[Hibrandenburg]

Have you considered a less expensive wife?[emoji16]

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Indeed, wife's with the trademark "Made in Germany" stamped around their belly button are famously gut quality but have recently become more expensive to obtain. The future lies in cheaper Asian imports.

[Keith_M]

Indeed, wife's with the trademark "Made in Germany" stamped around their belly button are famously gut quality but have recently become more expensive to obtain. The future lies in cheaper Asian imports.


I'll have a word with her about it.

Oh and I'll be telling yours as well...

[wookie70]

If the 100,000 stuck pigs die, think we know who'll be 'taking full responsibility'. Cameron will stick his hand up and say it is his fault and he will "deal" with the mess.

[CropleyWasGod]

The Empire is crumbling.

BBC News - UN court rules UK has no sovereignty over Chagos islands
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-55848126

[hibsbollah]

http://www.ifecosse.org.uk/La-Nuit-des-idees.html

I’m listening to this Evening of ideas on Scotland in a post Brexit world on Facebook Live at the moment, very interesting talk. Menzies Campbell about to speak, I had wrongly thought he’d died :faf: must be at least 132 by now.

[Saturday Boy]

http://www.ifecosse.org.uk/La-Nuit-des-idees.html

I’m listening to this Evening of ideas on Scotland in a post Brexit world on Facebook Live at the moment, very interesting talk. Menzies Campbell about to speak, I had wrongly thought he’d died :faf: must be at least 132 by now.

Is he not WH Smith Campbell now 🤔

[Chorley Hibee]

http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-eu-introduces-controls-on-vaccine-exports-to-northern-ireland-12202656

EU triggers article 16 of the Northern Ireland protocol.

[CropleyWasGod]

http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-eu-introduces-controls-on-vaccine-exports-to-northern-ireland-12202656

EU triggers article 16 of the Northern Ireland protocol.

It's all a bit Chris Morris.

"Does this mean war?"

[ronaldo7]

It's all a bit Chris Morris.

"Does this mean war?"

It does if Arlene Foster has anything to do with it. :greengrin

[ronaldo7]

These stories just keep rolling out. C&M GLOBAL, aye right hen.

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/business/2021/01/29/i-made-a-mistake-voting-for-brexit-says-business-as-stock-sits-waiting-to-leave-west-midlands/?fbclid=IwAR2Tt87M32MpF_z6j7LSYT98KORrZ4bDwdvycVkb Z-YmXCCdzad7g8pM5I8

[Keith_M]

http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-eu-introduces-controls-on-vaccine-exports-to-northern-ireland-12202656

EU triggers article 16 of the Northern Ireland protocol.


This is turning into a right mess, and I'm not particularly impressed by the EU's reaction so far.

[Glory Lurker]

It's all a bit Chris Morris.

"Does this mean war?"

It's war.

[degenerated]

It's war.The stretched twig of peace is at melting point

https://youtu.be/r3BO6GP9NMY

[wookie70]

These stories just keep rolling out. C&M GLOBAL, aye right hen.

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/business/2021/01/29/i-made-a-mistake-voting-for-brexit-says-business-as-stock-sits-waiting-to-leave-west-midlands/?fbclid=IwAR2Tt87M32MpF_z6j7LSYT98KORrZ4bDwdvycVkb Z-YmXCCdzad7g8pM5I8

She voted Brexit because of the EU attempts to give workers more rights. I hope she gets what is coming to her

[Jack]

I'm not getting the VAT rules.

Surely if we're/I'm buying from the EU my purchase shouldn't include the EU VAT, or vis versa for someone buying UK goods in Europe. So its (VAT) cheaper at point of purchase.

With all these stories it appears that VAT is being added on at both ends ... along with the import/export taxes and administration and duty and delay surcharges and gazumped freighter costs and ...

[Just Alf]

I'm not getting the VAT rules.

Surely if we're/I'm buying from the EU my purchase shouldn't include the EU VAT, or vis versa for someone buying UK goods in Europe. So its (VAT) cheaper at point of purchase.

With all these stories it appears that VAT is being added on at both ends ... along with the import/export taxes and administration and duty and delay surcharges and gazumped freighter costs and ...I had a quick read about it the other day, the UK Gov want people selling to the UK to process the VAT at source then send the VAT to the taxman. All the other costs are as you say grabbed at point of import.

It seems if you want to sell to the UK you need to set up a VAT account and then manage it monthly, some companies have stopped exporting to us due to this, one argument I saw is that we're the only country worldwide that has implemented this process, if everyone did it then import/exports would be totally unworkable.



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[Killiehibbie]

I'm not getting the VAT rules.

Surely if we're/I'm buying from the EU my purchase shouldn't include the EU VAT, or vis versa for someone buying UK goods in Europe. So its (VAT) cheaper at point of purchase.

With all these stories it appears that VAT is being added on at both ends ... along with the import/export taxes and administration and duty and delay surcharges and gazumped freighter costs and ...
I was under the impression that exports had no vat

[Keith_M]

I was under the impression that exports had no vat


Me too

[degenerated]

I had a quick read about it the other day, the UK Gov want people selling to the UK to process the VAT at source then send the VAT to the taxman. All the other costs are as you say grabbed at point of import.

It seems if you want to sell to the UK you need to set up a VAT account and then manage it monthly, some companies have stopped exporting to us due to this, one argument I saw is that we're the only country worldwide that has implemented this process, if everyone did it then import/exports would be totally unworkable.



Sent from my SM-G935F using TapatalkHMRC also charge those companies for use of their facilities, one company who had stopped trading with UK put a statement out saying alongside the administrative burden they were also expected to pay HMRC an annual fee of £1995 for the privilege.

[Jack]

I was under the impression that exports had no vat

I was thinking along the lines of buying something that comes from Germany.

In the past VAT was charged in Germany and nothing more was said.

Now it seems, with the price on the website the same, Germany is still getting their VAT but the UK government is charging VAT as well. So it is charging VAT on the goods and the VAT.

[Killiehibbie]

I was thinking along the lines of buying something that comes from Germany.

In the past VAT was charged in Germany and nothing more was said.

Now it seems, with the price on the website the same, Germany is still getting their VAT but the UK government is charging VAT as well. So it is charging VAT on the goods and the VAT.
I think you should be getting those goods without the German vat, mibbie.
German retailer ripping you off?


Just had a look and you should not be paying German vat.

[Jack]

I think you should be getting those goods without the German vat, mibbie.
German retailer ripping you off?

I agree with you but from what I'm reading in the media about Mrs Angry from Morningside buying clothes from Europe that doesn't appear to be the case.

[Killiehibbie]

I agree with you but from what I'm reading in the media about Mrs Angry from Morningside buying clothes from Europe that doesn't appear to be the case.

An opportunity for those guys told to set up shop in EU to also sell to UK cheaper than the locals.

Bloody Brits coming over here and stealing our e commerce might be said in Hamburg

[Mr Grieves]

Arlene Foster complaining about the EU threatening to trigger article 16 BUT also urging the UK to trigger article 16. You couldn't make it up :greengrin


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55866285

[StevieC]

She voted Brexit because of the EU attempts to give workers more rights. I hope she gets what is coming to her

And also despite the fact that 90% of her business was exporting!
You couldn’t make it up.

[Kato]

Shows how strong the propaganda was, weapons grade psycops.

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[greenlex]

She voted Brexit because of the EU attempts to give workers more rights. I hope she gets what is coming to her
You have to wonder how these people are capable if running a business. WTF gives on in their heads?

[Just Alf]

And so it begins :-(

BBC News - Brexit: Mid and East Antrim withdraws staff after 'menacing behaviour'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55895276

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[Bostonhibby]

You have to wonder how these people are capable if running a business. WTF gives on in their heads?Looking at the picture it looks like they were capable of putting things in cardboard boxes/taking them out of cardboard boxes and sending and receiving them in exchange for money under the existing (EU?) Regulations.

Presumably they'd mastered the system as they'd been doing it for a while.

Their problem seems to be that the UK'S exit from that import/export system is bogging them down, maybe they should move to Europe, per the UK government's recent advice.

Got to wonder who to blame for this situation.



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[lapsedhibee]

Looking at the picture it looks like they were capable of putting things in cardboard boxes/taking them out of cardboard boxes and sending and receiving them in exchange for money under the existing (EU?) Regulations.

Presumably they'd mastered the system as they'd been doing it for a while.

Their problem seems to be that the UK'S exit from that import/export system is bogging them down, maybe they should move to Europe, per the UK government's recent advice.

Got to wonder who to blame for this situation.

Pretty sure I read it was Remoaners to blame.

[Bostonhibby]

Pretty sure I read it was Remoaners to blame.Its certainly a safety net in a country where a lack of accountability and responsibility for your own actions comes from the very top.



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[JeMeSouviens]

"Will of the people"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtI4_9hWMAMYiZM?format=png&name=large

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210202/9e44933bbe9e6d39d85d99c2f89bc7e6.jpg

EU staff in Belfast told not to go to work today after threats from loyalists.


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[Stairway 2 7]

And the tories thought there would be no problem putting a border in the Irish sea

[Bristolhibby]

I think you should be getting those goods without the German vat, mibbie.
German retailer ripping you off?


Just had a look and you should not be paying German vat.

Problem is the German retailer now needs two prices.

EU price (inc German VAT)
U.K. price (minus German VAT) then U.K. VAT added and a proportion of admin “fee” added.

Say you have 1000 lines on your website, you’ll have to update all that.

Plus the forms that need filling in. TOTAL BOLLOCKS.

J

[147lothian]

Although I voted remain in 2016, I have to admit the EU has been really slow at rolling out the Covid-19 vaccine in comparison to the UK has this got anything to do with brixit?

[lapsedhibee]

Although I voted remain in 2016, I have to admit the EU has been really slow at rolling out the Covid-19 vaccine in comparison to the UK has this got anything to do with brixit?
No.

[danhibees1875]

Although I voted remain in 2016, I have to admit the EU has been really slow at rolling out the Covid-19 vaccine in comparison to the UK has this got anything to do with brixit?

I'm relatively certain that the UK would have always had it's own vaccine approval process (MHRA) but I'm not sure how our procurement would have went.

I think it's likely we'd have went separately from the EU even if we were still in (or not on the verge of leaving anyway) but not sure I've seen that confirmed either way, and I'm not sure why I think that as I'm not sure any EU countries did procure separately... :dunno:

[JeMeSouviens]

Problem is the German retailer now needs two prices.

EU price (inc German VAT)
U.K. price (minus German VAT) then U.K. VAT added and a proportion of admin “fee” added.

Say you have 1000 lines on your website, you’ll have to update all that.

Plus the forms that need filling in. TOTAL BOLLOCKS.

J

German retailers are used to catering for the 6 million odd German speakers in Switzerland who have the same issues as we now have.

[Mr Grieves]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55913907

I don't think it's the EU's mess to sort

[lapsedhibee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55913907

I don't think it's the EU's mess to sort

Expect to hear loads of "We were rushed into signing up to the protocol without fully understanding its implications" from MPs who voted not to scrutinise the protocol.

[Bristolhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55913907

I don't think it's the EU's mess to sort

Time for tail between the leg and sit down and renegotiate the “oven ready” deal on account of it being crap.

Was reading about the untreated shell fish exporters. Basically their businesses are shafted. Non EU uncleaned shellfish isn’t even allowed to land in the EU to be cleaned.

J

[147lothian]

I'm relatively certain that the UK would have always had it's own vaccine approval process (MHRA) but I'm not sure how our procurement would have went.

I think it's likely we'd have went separately from the EU even if we were still in (or not on the verge of leaving anyway) but not sure I've seen that confirmed either way, and I'm not sure why I think that as I'm not sure any EU countries did procure separately... :dunno:

EU countries have their own agency to procure separately the European Medicines Agency (MRA)

The UK's agency for procurement is the Medicines and Healthcare Products Agency (MHRA)

The MHRA was the first agency in the world to approve the pfizer vaccine, on the 2nd December - 20 days before the EMA given the Uk a huge headstart. Then, on the 30th December the MHRA approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine a whole month before the EMA approved of it.

[danhibees1875]

EU countries have their own agency to procure separately the European Medicines Agency (MRA)

The UK's agency for procurement is the Medicines and Healthcare Products Agency (MHRA)

The MHRA was the first agency in the world to approve the pfizer vaccine, on the 2nd December - 20 days before the EMA given the Uk a huge headstart. Then, on the 30th December the MHRA approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine a whole month before the EMA approved of it.

Where did you see that if you don't mind pointing me in the right direction as that's not how I thought it worked.

I was under the impression that the MHRA (and the MRA) only done the approving of vaccines - the procurement was done at a government level (either UK, or EU). It's at that point I'm unsure of what the UK would have done if it wasn't almost out of the EU.

[147lothian]

Where did you see that if you don't mind pointing me in the right direction as that's not how I thought it worked.

I was under the impression that the MHRA (and the MRA) only done the approving of vaccines - the procurement was done at a government level (either UK, or EU). It's at that point I'm unsure of what the UK would have done if it wasn't almost out of the EU.

Your right to say that the MHRA and the MRA only approve of the vaccines, its then upto the government to procure it, the point is that it has to be approved before it can be procured and the EU may be good for many things but when it comes to responding to a serious crisis like the Covid pandemic the EU has shown that it is too big and bureaucratic an organization to deal with it effectively and that nation states on their own do it better without all the red tape.

[danhibees1875]

Your right to say that the MHRA and the MRA only approve of the vaccines, its then upto the government to procure it, the point is that it has to be approved before it can be procured and the EU may be good for many things but when it comes to responding to a serious crisis like the Covid pandemic the EU has shown that it is too big and bureaucratic an organization to deal with it effectively and that nation states on their own do it better without all the red tape.

You've lost me a little bit here... I'm not sure how the procurement or approval coming first or not is the point, is the question not simply whether the UK would have been part of the EU procurement process had we not been on the way out, or if we'd have done our own thing as we did (I think we'd have been "allowed" to have...).

I don't think that was the case anyway, the vaccines would have been procured long (relatively) before they were approved.



As for your last point, maybe. It's hard to say for sure but given what's happened it's safe to say the EU haven't made the best of it (although a large chunk of that is also down to bad luck I think).
I can see how it's easy to brush it off as being down to the EU being too big and bureaucratic but that's without knowing how it would have went down otherwise - would having 27 smaller negotiations with each of the vaccine producers been an easier process? I'm not so sure it would have ended up being much different other than more expensive, perhaps prohibitively so for the poorer countries. Then the production would have had the same yield problems and AZ would have had their hands tied with the UK contract in the same ways as they currently do. :dunno:

[Ozyhibby]

UK getting ready to withdraw from NI protocol? Interesting thread. Would that mean the brexit deal becomes void?

https://twitter.com/tconnellyrte/status/1357000717425381378?s=21


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[lapsedhibee]

UK getting ready to withdraw from NI protocol? Interesting thread. Would that mean the brexit deal becomes void?

https://twitter.com/tconnellyrte/status/1357000717425381378?s=21



"We want our Brexit without a border in Ireland or in the Irish Sea and you better find a way to give us it before the weekend."

[Killiehibbie]

Problem is the German retailer now needs two prices.

EU price (inc German VAT)
U.K. price (minus German VAT) then U.K. VAT added and a proportion of admin “fee” added.

Say you have 1000 lines on your website, you’ll have to update all that.

Plus the forms that need filling in. TOTAL BOLLOCKS.

J
Enter code in box that deducts German VAT. Let buyer pay local VAT

[Mr Grieves]

UK getting ready to withdraw from NI protocol? Interesting thread. Would that mean the brexit deal becomes void?

https://twitter.com/tconnellyrte/status/1357000717425381378?s=21


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Gove and Johnson agreed to this, like 4 weeks ago, and now they're demanding changes. Contemptible.

[Radium]

https://twitter.com/bbcrosatkins/status/1357082685659885572?s=21


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[Just Alf]

Enter code in box that deducts German VAT. Let buyer pay local VATUK Gov blocked that though, EU companies have to set up a "UK VAT account " at a cost of around 1900 quid per year and then file/pay monthly tax returns as a condition of trade with the UK.
A bike parts supplier has stopped selling to UK as they'd need to hire an extra member of staff to support the extra admin. No other country worldwide has such a system so at least we're world leaders with that system :-/

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[Just Alf]

Should add I'm sure I read somewhere it's under review as it's proving unworkable and causing too much work for the taxman !

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[Killiehibbie]

Should add I'm sure I read somewhere it's under review as it's proving unworkable and causing too much work for the taxman !

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Whoever thought it would be workable needs to be sacked.

[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/bbcrosatkins/status/1357082685659885572?s=21


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:aok: Covers most of what happened.

[ronaldo7]

Indeed, but the public won't generally care. Brexit is a dead duck politically unless something(s) spectacular happen because of it to interrupt people's main preoccupations - eating drinking, holidaying and consuming digital content.

Irish border has something to say about that. :greengrin

[degenerated]

UK Gov blocked that though, EU companies have to set up a "UK VAT account " at a cost of around 1900 quid per year and then file/pay monthly tax returns as a condition of trade with the UK.
A bike parts supplier has stopped selling to UK as they'd need to hire an extra member of staff to support the extra admin. No other country worldwide has such a system so at least we're world leaders with that system :-/

Sent from my SM-G935F using TapatalkA couple of places i bought records from in EU have stopped selling to UK for that reason.

No doubt I'll have similar issues with some of the places I used for parts for my motorbike and my scooter.

[weecounty hibby]

UK Gov blocked that though, EU companies have to set up a "UK VAT account " at a cost of around 1900 quid per year and then file/pay monthly tax returns as a condition of trade with the UK.
A bike parts supplier has stopped selling to UK as they'd need to hire an extra member of staff to support the extra admin. No other country worldwide has such a system so at least we're world leaders with that system :-/

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It's the equivalent of Trump building a wall and making the Mexicans pay for it. Implement changes to tax collections and make Johnny Foreigner pay for it!

[Jones28]

Irish border has something to say about that. :greengrin

:agree:

Just ask the guy whose bathroom was going to be in the EU and his bedroom not.

[One Day Soon]

:agree:

Just ask the guy whose bathroom was going to be in the EU and his bedroom not.


I would have thought that represented quite the 'opportunity' for him in some respects. :wink:

Anyway his bathroom and the Irish border are both going to amount to next to **** all politically. This is a Norwegian Blue political issue. Different story economically but then most of that will be largely invisible as it's opportunity cost rather than visible destruction.

[Mr Grieves]

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1357292569512837121?s=20

Scottish seafood association, Scottish food and drink federation and Clyde fishermen's association saying what brexit means for their sector. It ain't good.

[Jones28]

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1357292569512837121?s=20

Scottish seafood association, Scottish food and drink federation and Clyde fishermen's association saying what brexit means for their sector. It ain't good.


James Buchan, who voted & from memory campaigned for Brexit, is now being bitten in the arse by Brexit.

I've said before that it isn't the voters fault they were sold down the river by the politicians who enacted Brexit, but my sympathy is severely diminishing for fishermen who voted for it.

[Jones28]

I would have thought that represented quite the 'opportunity' for him in some respects. :wink:

Anyway his bathroom and the Irish border are both going to amount to next to **** all politically. This is a Norwegian Blue political issue. Different story economically but then most of that will be largely invisible as it's opportunity cost rather than visible destruction.

It may mean nothing, but it's a good metaphor for the chaos of brexit.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1357615670746349569?s=21


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https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1357615670746349569?s=21


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I look at that and I think:

1. What a pointless, self-harming, humiliating farce.
2. This is not what the Brexiteers promised.
3. Those elements of the fishing and seafood industries who actively lobbied for Brexit have literally brought it on themselves.
4. I feel despair for those who are going to lose their livelihoods over this.
5. Why would we want to invite the same again, but worse, with Independence on a Scottish rUK border given that 61% of our exports go to rUK.

[JeMeSouviens]

I look at that and I think:

1. What a pointless, self-harming, humiliating farce.
2. This is not what the Brexiteers promised.
3. Those elements of the fishing and seafood industries who actively lobbied for Brexit have literally brought it on themselves.
4. I feel despair for those who are going to lose their livelihoods over this.
5. Why would we want to invite the same again, but worse, with Independence on a Scottish rUK border given that 61% of our exports go to rUK.

Answer to 5 - because if we don't, those exporters are going to see a decade on decade decline with no opportunity to grow unless they are prepared to embrace "deregulation" aka attacks on workers' rights, safety standards and environmental protections. There is a giant, well regulated market of 500M people just waiting for us to get out and export into it. There are going to be a growing number of frustrated businesses and people in rUK looking for somewhere else to set up shop. There are going to be a growing number of overseas investments looking for a foothold in Europe that might have considered the UK but will be looking elsewhere. You are trying to tie us into long term decline.

[CloudSquall]

Thinking of potential growth areas the economic growth of eastern Europe will provide opportunities for Scottish businesses in the future.

It's important of course to protect current import and export business but IMO it's more important to see where we can develop and maintain future growth and for me that is within the EU.

[cabbageandribs1875]

probably the first time i've agreed with john major...

24315

[Hibrandenburg]

probably the first time i've agreed with john major...

24315

I was with him all the way until he surmised that intelligent people were behind Brexit.

[lapsedhibee]

I was with him all the way until he surmised that intelligent people were behind Brexit.
They were in the sense that they saw the EU tax-dodging laws coming, and successfully worked out a way to avoid them.

[Mr Grieves]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/06/fury-at-gove-as-exports-to-eu-slashed-by-68-since-brexit?__twitter_impression=true

68% drop in UK exports to the EU since Brexit...

[Hibrandenburg]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/06/fury-at-gove-as-exports-to-eu-slashed-by-68-since-brexit?__twitter_impression=true

68% drop in UK exports to the EU since Brexit...

If that's true it's going to have disastrous effects on the economy. Would interest me how much exports to the UK the EU have lost.

[Keith_M]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/06/fury-at-gove-as-exports-to-eu-slashed-by-68-since-brexit?__twitter_impression=true

68% drop in UK exports to the EU since Brexit...


Teething troubles.

[CloudSquall]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/06/fury-at-gove-as-exports-to-eu-slashed-by-68-since-brexit?__twitter_impression=true

68% drop in UK exports to the EU since Brexit...

Unsurprising arrogance shown from Gove in thinking he is above responding to the RHA over exports.

[Keith_M]

Just received my 'Global Insurance Health Card (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-launches-global-health-insurance-card)', and the first thing I noticed is that it has not one but two Union Jacks on the front of it

The background picture is a waving UJ and there's another one on the wee security feature on the top right hand corner.

The Tories must have been spooked by Starmer's new strategy to win votes, and are now going all out to prove they can outdo Labour when it comes to displaying their British Patriotic Spirit.

[JeMeSouviens]

Just received my 'Global Insurance Health Card (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-launches-global-health-insurance-card)', and the first thing I noticed is that it has not one but two Union Jacks on the front of it

The background picture is a waving UJ and there's another one on the wee security feature on the top right hand corner.

The Tories must have been spooked by Starmer's new strategy to win votes, and are now going all out to prove they can outdo Labour when it comes to displaying their British Patriotic Spirit.

Have you tried eating it? :wink:

Asking for ODS.

[Keith_M]

Have you tried eating it? :wink:

Asking for ODS.


Very tasty, actually

:greengrin

[Glory Lurker]

Just received my 'Global Insurance Health Card (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-launches-global-health-insurance-card)', and the first thing I noticed is that it has not one but two Union Jacks on the front of it

The background picture is a waving UJ and there's another one on the wee security feature on the top right hand corner.

The Tories must have been spooked by Starmer's new strategy to win votes, and are now going all out to prove they can outdo Labour when it comes to displaying their British Patriotic Spirit.

I'd rather pay the hospital bill :-)

[Keith_M]

I'd rather pay the hospital bill :-)


:greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

yayyyyyy for Brexit


https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/147856612_3236341506466567_4686636945100062886_o.j pg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=UXjrzIIgUtcAX-RPc5B&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=c9db84929bdf4f95fd1ed76b2193bcf5&oe=6045AB92



:rolleyes:

[ronaldo7]

Anyone got a clue as to why D Ross hasn't been asking for George Eustice's resignation.

The Scottish shellfish industry is about to go pop, with all those jobs lost.

Meanwhile meat processors set up shop in the EU due to the dodgy oven ready deal.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-meat-exports-idUKKBN2A91XC?taid=6022b1b4496f1e00010acbb5&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

[One Day Soon]

Have you tried eating it? :wink:

Asking for ODS.


Oooh, touchy. :wink:

[Keith_M]

Oooh, touchy. :wink:


https://simpsonswiki.com/w/images/thumb/e/e1/Mel_eating_US_flag.png/250px-Mel_eating_US_flag.png

[One Day Soon]

https://simpsonswiki.com/w/images/thumb/e/e1/Mel_eating_US_flag.png/250px-Mel_eating_US_flag.png


Like

[Keith_M]

Like


Cool

:greengrin

[ronaldo7]

Those supposed "Broad shoulders" are really those of Rees Mogg the lanky streak o pish.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/scotland/2888428/scottish-seafood-firms-on-ice-as-uk-government-rolls-out-23m-compensation-scheme/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

[ronaldo7]

Oven ready meals run out.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-irish-suppliers-called-in-to-save-bacon-of-uk-supermarkets-serving-expats-in-europe-12213189

[Ryan91]

Oven ready meals run out.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-irish-suppliers-called-in-to-save-bacon-of-uk-supermarkets-serving-expats-in-europe-12213189

Makes you realise that it's not just those of that live on these isles that are affected by the whole Brexit mess. Though fortunately for him he has other options in the form of Irish suppliers, many here don't have such luxuries.

[Callum_62]

It comes hot on the heels of the UK Government opening its £23m Seafood Disruption Support Scheme (SDSS)

You know you have a cracking deal when you are forced to set up something called the Seafood Disruption Support Scheme

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[Jack]

Whats getting me just now is the UK government's, particularly Gove but others too, demanding the EU need to come back to the table and get this sorted.

Surely the torys knew what the implications were as they scrutinised the deal they signed up for just a few weeks ago!

[lapsedhibee]

Whats getting me just now is the UK government's, particularly Gove but others too, demanding the EU need to come back to the table and get this sorted.

Surely the torys knew what the implications were as they scrutinised the deal they signed up for just a few weeks ago!

Was that the deal they effectively voted not to scrutinise? I get mixed up with the ones which were Oven Ready and the ones where Everyone Knew What They Were Voting For.

[Northernhibee]

Whats getting me just now is the UK government's, particularly Gove but others too, demanding the EU need to come back to the table and get this sorted.

Surely the torys knew what the implications were as they scrutinised the deal they signed up for just a few weeks ago!

“Oven ready”.

[ballengeich]

Was that the deal they effectively voted not to scrutinise? I get mixed up with the ones which were Oven Ready and the ones where Everyone Knew What They Were Voting For.
They were assured by Boris Johnson that the deal was excellent and trusted him. What could you expect?

[lapsedhibee]

They were assured by Boris Johnson that the deal was excellent and trusted him. What could you expect?
So reassuring to live in a country where Johnson's imprimatur counts for so much.

[Bostonhibby]

“Oven ready”.Half baked

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[ronaldo7]

So reassuring to live in a country where Johnson's imprimatur counts for so much.

His dad and his partner have more clout that the leader of the opposition.

[ronaldo7]

Northern Irish parliamentarians pitying Scottish food producers & asking how NI can further exploit the gap created by our misfortune. Don’t blame them. Blame the Brexit zealots & Scottish Tory apologists who delivered this Brexit debacle.

https://twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/1359453089909112842

[Chorley Hibee]

Just received my 'Global Insurance Health Card (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-launches-global-health-insurance-card)', and the first thing I noticed is that it has not one but two Union Jacks on the front of it

The background picture is a waving UJ and there's another one on the wee security feature on the top right hand corner.

The Tories must have been spooked by Starmer's new strategy to win votes, and are now going all out to prove they can outdo Labour when it comes to displaying their British Patriotic Spirit.

Received my card today, and rather ironic that the 'Global Health Insurance Card' our government has championed isn't actually Global at all, and is only valid within the EU.

[JeMeSouviens]

Received my card today, and rather ironic that the 'Global Health Insurance Card' our government has championed isn't actually Global at all, and is only valid within the EU.

If you have an EHIC with some time left on it, is it invalid and needing replaced, or does it still work as a "GHIC"?

[lapsedhibee]

If you have an EHIC with some time left on it, is it invalid and needing replaced, or does it still work as a "GHIC"?

UKGov says you're good

If you have a UK European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) it will be valid until the expiry date on the card. Once it expires, you’ll need to apply for a GHIC to replace it.

[lapsedhibee]

Received my card today, and rather ironic that the 'Global Health Insurance Card' our government has championed isn't actually Global at all, and is only valid within the EU.

How many Union Flags are on it?

If you’re applying from Northern Ireland, from March 2021 you’ll have the choice of a standard GHIC with a union flag or one with a plain background.

[JeMeSouviens]

UKGov says you're good

If you have a UK European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) it will be valid until the expiry date on the card. Once it expires, you’ll need to apply for a GHIC to replace it.

Excellent - my plain, flag free EHIC runs until 2025. With a bit of luck I'll be replacing it with another plain, flag free EHIC. :wink:

[lapsedhibee]

Excellent - my plain, flag free EHIC runs until 2025. With a bit of luck I'll be replacing it with another plain, flag free EHIC. :wink:

:pray:

[Jack]

Even the City of London traders have been Brexit’d by the tories!

From FT:

Amsterdam surpassed London as Europe’s largest share trading centre last month as the Netherlands scooped up business lost by the UK since Brexit.

An average €9.2bn shares a day were traded on Euronext Amsterdam and the Dutch arms of CBOE Europe and Turquoise in January, a more than fourfold increase from December. The surge came as volumes in London fell sharply to €8.6bn, dislodging the UK from its historic position as the main hub for the European market, according to data from CBOE Europe.

The shift was prompted by a ban on EU-based financial institutions trading in London because Brussels has not recognised UK exchanges and trading venues as having the same supervisory status as its own.

[Bostonhibby]

Even the City of London traders have been Brexit’d by the tories!

From FT:

Amsterdam surpassed London as Europe’s largest share trading centre last month as the Netherlands scooped up business lost by the UK since Brexit.

An average €9.2bn shares a day were traded on Euronext Amsterdam and the Dutch arms of CBOE Europe and Turquoise in January, a more than fourfold increase from December. The surge came as volumes in London fell sharply to €8.6bn, dislodging the UK from its historic position as the main hub for the European market, according to data from CBOE Europe.

The shift was prompted by a ban on EU-based financial institutions trading in London because Brussels has not recognised UK exchanges and trading venues as having the same supervisory status as its own.But Bozo got Brexit done so allisbarry.

Lost substantial invisible as well as visible trading on the way to the promised land, not a problem, I'm sure Liz Truss will replace this with another "fantastic" deal.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210211/9499c284f14f884b2222f36269ed93ee.jpg


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[lapsedhibee]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210211/9499c284f14f884b2222f36269ed93ee.jpg


Has Nadhim Zahawi or Liz Truss said yet that no-one could have predicted this?

[Ozyhibby]

Has Nadhim Zahawi or Liz Truss said yet that no-one could have predicted this?

If the City of London is no longer generating all that tax revenue, who is going to subsidise Scotland now?


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[lapsedhibee]

If the City of London is no longer generating all that tax revenue, who is going to subsidise Scotland now?


:agree: We are doomed.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210211/7caeb78c7f460a7bff92723f352279a0.png

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-northern-ireland-protocol-problem/amp?__twitter_impression=true

This is interesting. Govt is afraid to diverge now for fear of making NI different from rUK. What was the point if the whole UK is going to follow EU rules anyway?


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[Keith_M]

How many Union Flags are on it?

If you’re applying from Northern Ireland, from March 2021 you’ll have the choice of a standard GHIC with a union flag or one with a plain background.


Two, one as the main background and one in the top right corner.

[Mr Grieves]

****ing hell
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1359933841033613312?s=20

[lapsedhibee]

****ing hell
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1359933841033613312?s=20

Beyond pitiful.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/emporersnewc/status/1360281291455926276?s=21

It’s amazing to think of the opportunities an independent Scotland will have for inward investment when it rejoins the EU.


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[CloudSquall]

Raging aye? :greengrin

https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/1362526978633584640


It still gets me every time that these "Guido Fawkes" Brexiteer types seem to believe the grand total of 0 pence is sent from Scotland to the exchequer.

[cabbageandribs1875]

at least a little bloody nose for the corrupt tories

The judgment is in - Good Law Project (https://goodlawproject.org/update/the-judgment-is-in/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=social%20media&utm_campaign=uc%20win%20fb%201902&fbclid=IwAR3e-1N1i23JsSnckCU9PP7K3ONyhClMq88RifHXPuZkxgOsxUN1yft 2_HQ)


The High Court has ruled “The Secretary of State acted unlawfully by failing to comply with the Transparency Policy” and that “there is now no dispute that, in a substantial number of cases, the Secretary of State breached his legal obligation to publish Contract Award Notices within 30 days of the award of contracts.” We have won the judicial review we brought alongside Debbie Abrahams MP, Caroline Lucas MP, and Layla Moran MP.
In handing down the judgment, Judge Chamberlain brought into sharp focus why this case was so important. “The Secretary of State spent vast quantities of public money on pandemic-related procurements during 2020. The public were entitled to see who this money was going to, what it was being spent on and how the relevant contracts were awarded.”

[cabbageandribs1875]

****ing hell
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1359933841033613312?s=20



i'm glad someone had already commented on those scary eyes :greengrin

[Keith_M]

My Missus just said... "if I ever meet that David Cameron, I'm gonna kick him squarely in the Nuts!"

[Hibrandenburg]

If it wasn't so damaging, the sheer idiocy would be hilarious.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1396044/brexit-news-shellfish-ban-eu-fishing-molluscs-george-eustice-boris-johnson-spt/amp

[Kato]

If it wasn't so damaging, the sheer idiocy would be hilarious.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1396044/brexit-news-shellfish-ban-eu-fishing-molluscs-george-eustice-boris-johnson-spt/amp

Boris thinking of "retaliation" against EU for following a Law signed by the UK whilst a member. What is he going to do - punch his own face in?

[Hibrandenburg]

Boris thinking of "retaliation" against EU for following a Law signed by the UK whilst a member. What is he going to do - punch his own face in?

I'm trying to find out if a certain Mr Farage voted for this. Now that would be embarrassing.

[lapsedhibee]

https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1363849315576389636

Yep, more Latin's what the children need. That'll make us Great again.

[wookie70]

I'm trying to find out if a certain Mr Farage voted for this. Now that would be embarrassing. He is probably odds on not to have been there that day, week or month

[Glory Lurker]

If it wasn't so damaging, the sheer idiocy would be hilarious.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1396044/brexit-news-shellfish-ban-eu-fishing-molluscs-george-eustice-boris-johnson-spt/amp

Yuck. "exp" is of course the start of "Express". I'm soaking my phone in bleach as I type.

[CropleyWasGod]

https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1363849315576389636

Yep, more Latin's what the children need. That'll make us Great again.

Magna, if you please. Britannia magna est.

[lapsedhibee]

Magna, if you please. Britannia magna est.

Oops - my blame.

[Glory Lurker]

Magna, if you please. Britannia magna est.

Britannia does not include Caledonia of course. They werenae daft they Romans.

[Saturday Boy]

Britannia does not include Caledonia of course. They werenae daft they Romans.

Too right. They also came up with the name Hibernia.

Always my first reply when someone asks “what did the Romans ever do for us “

[CropleyWasGod]

Britannia does not include Caledonia of course. They werenae daft they Romans.

Britannia facta est.

[CloudSquall]

https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1363849315576389636

Yep, more Latin's what the children need. That'll make us Great again.

Yes let's question the focus on Spanish, the second most spoken language in the world with 460 million speakers...

[Keith_M]

Britannia facta est.



Virga tua britannia tuum asinum

[Glory Lurker]

Mange tout, Rodney.

[Peevemor]

https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1363849315576389636

Yep, more Latin's what the children need. That'll make us Great again.Nah, a couple of lessons on how to speak English slower and louder and we're sorted!

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-vote-ratification-boris-johnson-b1812404.html
Heading back into no deal territory.


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[Bostonhibby]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-vote-ratification-boris-johnson-b1812404.html
Heading back into no deal territory.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt's almost as if Bozo never read what he was signing just a few months ago.

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[Glory Lurker]

'Mon the EU.

[CloudSquall]

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1367391659365986309


Andrew Bowie proudly telling future generations they are friar tucked with Brexit.

[Mr Grieves]

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1367391659365986309


Andrew Bowie proudly telling future generations they are friar tucked with Brexit.

Check the sweat lashing oafay that, obviously not used to telling the truth

[Hibrandenburg]

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1367391659365986309


Andrew Bowie proudly telling future generations they are friar tucked with Brexit.

Watched that last night and felt my chin drop. He was all over the place and sweating like a fat bloke in a sauna.

[SHODAN]

Watched that last night and felt my chin drop. He was all over the place and sweating like a fat bloke in a sauna.

Andrew Bowie seems to have replaced Ross Thomson as the fresh-faced millennial Scottish Tory poster boy. He isn't doing a great job.

[ronaldo7]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-vote-ratification-boris-johnson-b1812404.html
Heading back into no deal territory.


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‘The EU is negotiating with a partner it “simply cannot trust”´, Ireland’s foreign affairs minister Simon Coventry has just said.

The Irish know what it's all about. The UK cannot be trusted with the new agreement, as they'll break international law when it suits them.