Brexit - What Now.

[lapsedhibee]

‘The EU is negotiating with a partner it “simply cannot trust”´, Ireland’s foreign affairs minister Simon Coventry has just said.

The Irish know what it's all about. The UK cannot be trusted with the new agreement, as they'll break international law when it suits them.

Philippe Lamberts was on the radiobox at teatime saying much the same. Evan Davis (BBC) was giving him the 'but threatening to break the law's not actually breaking the law, is it, so the government's not really doing anything wrong'.

[ronaldo7]

Scottish Government Brussels.


@scotgov
deeply values its relationship with our European friends and neighbours.

Our new publication, Steadfastly European, reflects the impacts of Brexit on Scotland and Europe, and explores Scotland's past, present and future as an European nation.

https://twitter.com/ScotGovBrussels/status/1369212602941857792

[Ozyhibby]

Scottish Government Brussels.


@scotgov
deeply values its relationship with our European friends and neighbours.

Our new publication, Steadfastly European, reflects the impacts of Brexit on Scotland and Europe, and explores Scotland's past, present and future as an European nation.

https://twitter.com/ScotGovBrussels/status/1369212602941857792

Europe is going to play a massive part in this campaign and in the next indyref campaign. It’s going to be the answer to every question about our economy post Indy. The carrot of those 600 million consumers that we will have access to after Indy will be huge.
And every time a unionist says we might not get in, they are admitting it’s a good thing.


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[lapsedhibee]

Scottish Government Brussels.


@scotgov
deeply values its relationship with our European friends and neighbours.

Our new publication, Steadfastly European, reflects the impacts of Brexit on Scotland and Europe, and explores Scotland's past, present and future as an European nation.

https://twitter.com/ScotGovBrussels/status/1369212602941857792

"An European"? :dunno:

[CropleyWasGod]

Europe is going to play a massive part in this campaign and in the next indyref campaign. It’s going to be the answer to every question about our economy post Indy. The carrot of those 600 million consumers that we will have access to after Indy will be huge.


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600 million carrots? That will look good on the side of a bus.:aok:

[CropleyWasGod]

"An European"? :dunno:

Gaelic :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

Gaelic :greengrin


Eoropaidh
Isle of Lewis HS2 0XH

[lapsedhibee]

Gaelic :greengrin

Or we've to start pronouncing Europe "oorop" to sook up to the French. :grr::panic:

[Peevemor]

"An European"? :dunno:Is Pope France an European?

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/pope-frances-visit-to-iraq-was-a-brave-step-on-the-path-to-peace-and-reconciliation-angus-robertson-3158257

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[lapsedhibee]

Is Pope France an European?

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/pope-frances-visit-to-iraq-was-a-brave-step-on-the-path-to-peace-and-reconciliation-angus-robertson-3158257

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:greengrin Scotsman making a few mistakes recently (there was something about a poll, too).

[Ozyhibby]

:greengrin Scotsman making a few mistakes recently (there was something about a poll, too).

Think there is only about 5 people work there these days. Not enough cash for editors etc.


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[ronaldo7]

"An European"? :dunno:

As long as it's not An glo European.

[Peevemor]

Think there is only about 5 people work there these days. Not enough cash for editors etc.


They might be better with 5 people who have English as their first language.

[wookie70]

At least there was a democratic vote for self harm, not in this country though
https://www.thenational.scot/news/19156104.brexit-new-figures-reveal-grim-damage-scotlands-food-drink-sector/?ref=twtrec

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[Mr Grieves]

At least there was a democratic vote for self harm, not in this country though
https://www.thenational.scot/news/19156104.brexit-new-figures-reveal-grim-damage-scotlands-food-drink-sector/?ref=twtrec

83% drop in fish and shellfish exports, that must be absolutely devastating.

But I'm sure we'll hear of all the brexit benefits soon enough...

[Bostonhibby]

83% drop in fish and shellfish exports, that must be absolutely devastating.

But I'm sure we'll hear of all the brexit benefits soon enough...They'll be on the side of a bus somewhere, anywhere else and it's not true and will never happen.

Top tip, if there's more than three words it's not an official Bozo statement.

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[CropleyWasGod]

They'll be on the side of a bus somewhere, anywhere else and it's not true and will never happen.

Top tip, if there's more than three words it's not an official Bozo statement.

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Sounds like fish?

[Moulin Yarns]

Sounds like fish?

Smells like *****?

[CropleyWasGod]

Smells like *****?

I was actually crediting Tory voters with a little more depth. But you're probably right.😁

[Bostonhibby]

Smells like *****?Take back fish.

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[Killiehibbie]

Take back fish.

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Happy British Fish.
Very happy because nobody is eating them.

[Hibrandenburg]

Happy British Fish.
Very happy because nobody is eating them.

:greengrin

[hibsbollah]

83% drop in fish and shellfish exports, that must be absolutely devastating.

But I'm sure we'll hear of all the brexit benefits soon enough...

But but but we’ve got a trade deal with Albania...

[Bostonhibby]

But but but we’ve got a trade deal with Albania...Liz Truss negotiated it, it'll be month old Scottish Langoustine's in exchange for all the old Norman Wisdom movies we flogged to Albania in the 70's.

World beating trade deal.

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[ronaldo7]

The EU have just launched legal proceedings against the UK Gov for breaching the withdrawal agreement. This will be the second time in six months that the UK Gov is set to breach international law.

Never trust a tory.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i won't be watching it but the owen jones show tomorrow on Utube, is Britain sliding into fascism.... well, england certainly is :agree: and if the vile Tory in Scotland got their way so would we, thankfully too many decent voters here though to allow that to happen, sooner tories are obliterated from this country the better.

Is Britain Sliding Into Fascism? - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM4g3vDSgRk)

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm trying to think of any other political party/movement that demanded it's flags be shown at all times :hmmm:

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[Callum_62]

Thank goodness we are free from the silly rules we had as members of the EU

I totally believed them when we were told we would have less red tape.

https://twitter.com/scotfoodjames/status/1374798863823990794?s=19

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[Ozyhibby]

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We can end this madness by voting for independence.


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[hibsbollah]

i'm trying to think of any other political party/movement that demanded it's flags be shown at all times :hmmm:

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If you read the guardian, you’re informed about that. If you read the Telegraph, you’re only reading about the tv anchor who gently mocked a Tory about the constant need for flags, followed by opinion pieces saying the BBC should ‘stop employing journalists who hate Britain’.

We are only a few months away from having a US style culture wars media.

[ballengeich]

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We can end this madness by voting for independence.


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Independence and re-joining the EU might remove barriers to trade with Europe, but the problems will then occur at the border with England. There's no simple solution.

[Ozyhibby]

Independence and re-joining the EU might remove barriers to trade with Europe, but the problems will then occur at the border with England. There's no simple solution.

Of course, England seems determined to cut themselves off. We will have to refocus our exports in the same way Ireland has done over the past 20 years but carrying on like this is a much worse option.


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[ballengeich]

Of course, England seems determined to cut themselves off. We will have to refocus our exports in the same way Ireland has done over the past 20 years but carrying on like this is a much worse option.


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The current situation is very damaging so I expect UK/EU negotiations to try to amend things. The Get Brexit Done slogan was superficial but appealed to a lot of people. The problem for the UK is that it is in a weak negotiating position, and the EU's delegates knew that when the agreements were signed. Lord Frost seems to have been out of his depth.

[danhibees1875]

Independence and re-joining the EU might remove barriers to trade with Europe, but the problems will then occur at the border with England. There's no simple solution.

:agree:

With 3 times as much trade with rUK as with the EU it shows the double edged sword of Brexit - it's ***** but it also makes the/this solution more *****.

[Keith_M]

If you read the guardian, you’re informed about that. If you read the Telegraph, you’re only reading about the tv anchor who gently mocked a Tory about the constant need for flags, followed by opinion pieces saying the BBC should ‘stop employing journalists who hate Britain’.

We are only a few months away from having a US style culture wars media.


I actually feel that ship has sailed, it's just that the level of the culture wars is ramping up quite a bit.

The BBC is already being hijacked by the Tories and now we're going to have some 'patriotic' TV channels, like GB News.

As a long standing Guardian reader, I'm also losing a bit of faith in my news outlet of choice, as they're now desperate to put their Editorial 'angle' into almost every story, without considering the facts.

As for the Guardian 'viewpoints' :rolleyes: ... Did you know that Yoga is part of a racist campaign against Black people? No, me neither.

Add to that the disgusting Jeremy Corbyn smear campaign (Editor's Notes: please add the words 'anti-semite' to this article) and it's left me more than a little disappointed with a newspaper I used to look forward to reading.

[Ozyhibby]

:agree:

With 3 times as much trade with rUK as with the EU it shows the double edged sword of Brexit - it's ***** but it also makes the/this solution more *****.

Ireland used to be in a similar position but reduced its dependency on trade with the UK to about 11% of its exports. It now exports more to the US than to the UK.


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[ballengeich]

Ireland used to be in a similar position but reduced its dependency on trade with the UK to about 11% of its exports. It now exports more to the US than to the UK.


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That sounds like Ireland has already gone along the path that Brexit supporters see as the UK's future.

[Ozyhibby]

That sounds like Ireland has already gone along the path that Brexit supporters see as the UK's future.

More than 50% of Ireland’s exports go to the EU though.


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[Jack]

I'm sure Rosyth and Fife generally would welcome all that's involved in becoming a major ferry port from Scotland to the EU.

In that list above Scotland contributes considerably to at least 4 or 5 of the UKs top exports.

[Kato]

More than 50% of Ireland’s exports go to the EU though.




Ireland is also self-sufficient in food and produces far more than it's population needs, and of course it's exports to the EU are free of all the guff that Brexit has imposed.

[hibsbollah]

I actually feel that ship has sailed, it's just that the level of the culture wars is ramping up quite a bit.

The BBC is already being hijacked by the Tories and now we're going to have some 'patriotic' TV channels, like GB News.

As a long standing Guardian reader, I'm also losing a bit of faith in my news outlet of choice, as they're now desperate to put their Editorial 'angle' into almost every story, without considering the facts.

As for the Guardian 'viewpoints' :rolleyes: ... Did you know that Yoga is part of a racist campaign against Black people? No, me neither.

Add to that the disgusting Jeremy Corbyn smear campaign (Editor's Notes: please add the words 'anti-semite' to this article) and it's left me more than a little disappointed with a newspaper I used to look forward to reading.

I’ve become aware that as outraged I am about the state of the nation, the other half of the population don’t know what I’m talking about because they read absolutely 100% different content. It’s very worrying.

The problem with the Guardian and the BBC is there’s so much good intelligent stuff in both outlets, but you have to wade through so much obviously partial editorial content to get to it. With the express the mail and the telegraph there’s a different kind of partiality but once you’ve waded through theirs, it’s just celebrity pish.

[cabbageandribs1875]

oh well..

Tears flow for Brits as they head home to avoid being deported as illegals in Spain (global247news.com) (https://global247news.com/2021/03/26/tears-flow-for-brits-as-they-head-home-to-avoid-being-deported-as-illegals-in-spain/?fbclid=IwAR15arrN4c-N6-4jTmlzX2KMcsybbyMaUWZSx2HfIKED6CkBlRjbG6X2m7U)


Tears flow for Brits as they head home to avoid being deported as illegals in Spain: Brits this weekend across Spain, leave the country for at least 180 days as they don’t wish to be Spanish residents or have been declined for residency.

[wookie70]

oh well..

Tears flow for Brits as they head home to avoid being deported as illegals in Spain (global247news.com) (https://global247news.com/2021/03/26/tears-flow-for-brits-as-they-head-home-to-avoid-being-deported-as-illegals-in-spain/?fbclid=IwAR15arrN4c-N6-4jTmlzX2KMcsybbyMaUWZSx2HfIKED6CkBlRjbG6X2m7U)


Tears flow for Brits as they head home to avoid being deported as illegals in Spain: Brits this weekend across Spain, leave the country for at least 180 days as they don’t wish to be Spanish residents or have been declined for residency.

I bet a fair proportion voted for Brexit. Put a smile on my face. Hopefully Priti Patel treats them like asylum seekers

[Bangkok Hibby]

oh well..

Tears flow for Brits as they head home to avoid being deported as illegals in Spain (global247news.com) (https://global247news.com/2021/03/26/tears-flow-for-brits-as-they-head-home-to-avoid-being-deported-as-illegals-in-spain/?fbclid=IwAR15arrN4c-N6-4jTmlzX2KMcsybbyMaUWZSx2HfIKED6CkBlRjbG6X2m7U)


Tears flow for Brits as they head home to avoid being deported as illegals in Spain: Brits this weekend across Spain, leave the country for at least 180 days as they don’t wish to be Spanish residents or have been declined for residency.

Read that with a huge smile on my face, especially the bit where the guy admits to voting leave. Does that make me a bad person? 😁

[Jack]

oh well..

Tears flow for Brits as they head home to avoid being deported as illegals in Spain (global247news.com) (https://global247news.com/2021/03/26/tears-flow-for-brits-as-they-head-home-to-avoid-being-deported-as-illegals-in-spain/?fbclid=IwAR15arrN4c-N6-4jTmlzX2KMcsybbyMaUWZSx2HfIKED6CkBlRjbG6X2m7U)


Tears flow for Brits as they head home to avoid being deported as illegals in Spain: Brits this weekend across Spain, leave the country for at least 180 days as they don’t wish to be Spanish residents or have been declined for residency.

I saw elsewhere, on a Spanish Facebook page I'm on, Brits whinging about being knocked back for residency. Apparently you need to show financial stability and that means £30,000 in bank account or similar for at least 5 years. There's also a requirement for private health insurance.

[Moulin Yarns]

I saw elsewhere, on a Spanish Facebook page I'm on, Brits whinging about being knocked back for residency. Apparently you need to show financial stability and that means £30,000 in bank account or similar for at least 5 years. There's also a requirement for private health insurance.

There was also a deadline, which a lot of people missed.

[Ozyhibby]

I saw elsewhere, on a Spanish Facebook page I'm on, Brits whinging about being knocked back for residency. Apparently you need to show financial stability and that means £30,000 in bank account or similar for at least 5 years. There's also a requirement for private health insurance.

And you also have to start paying tax in Spain. A lot of People from here living in Spain tell HMRC they live abroad but don’t bother to register with Spanish tax authorities. Not an option now as they are no longer EU residents.


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[JimBHibees]

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Wonder why I don't hear any of this on any of the tv news channels. Seems very odd

[Hibrandenburg]

I saw elsewhere, on a Spanish Facebook page I'm on, Brits whinging about being knocked back for residency. Apparently you need to show financial stability and that means £30,000 in bank account or similar for at least 5 years. There's also a requirement for private health insurance.

There are many thousands of Brits living in the EU under the radar who have been using freedom of movement to work gigs cash in hand and avoid paying taxes or registering local residency. Many of them were pro Brexit and for them Christmas has just arrived. My sympathy is limited.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm not sure if she's still Patron of Hibernian ladies but this is disappointing

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[cabbageandribs1875]

I bet a fair proportion voted for Brexit. Put a smile on my face. Hopefully Priti Patel treats them like asylum seekers


hope they're forced to return on inflatable Dinghy's ;)


Read that with a huge smile on my face, especially the bit where the guy admits to voting leave. Does that make me a bad person? ��

not at all, i laughed out loud :cb




I saw elsewhere, on a Spanish Facebook page I'm on, Brits whinging about being knocked back for residency. Apparently you need to show financial stability and that means £30,000 in bank account or similar for at least 5 years. There's also a requirement for private health insurance.


without insurance the average cost for a Hip Replacement is £10.5k here Information | Saga Health Insurance (https://www.saga.co.uk/insurance/health-insurance/get-quote/info) what a lucrative business if ever the NHS is sold off...and i fear that is indeed coming

[Jones28]

i'm not sure if she's still Patron of Hibernian ladies but this is disappointing

24509

She might be a great leveller for the other nutters?

[Smartie]

i'm not sure if she's still Patron of Hibernian ladies but this is disappointing

24509

I'm a bit confused by this new channel / these new channels.

I know Andrew Neil is meant to be involved with one. I'm pretty sure Rupert Murdoch is meant to be launching one. Are they the same thing, or different?

If there are 2, which one is this?

[Ozyhibby]

I'm a bit confused by this new channel / these new channels.

I know Andrew Neil is meant to be involved with one. I'm pretty sure Rupert Murdoch is meant to be launching one. Are they the same thing, or different?

If there are 2, which one is this?

Murdoch def not involved in GB news. Discovery channel are the main funders for that although there is a hedge fund involved as well.


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[Smartie]

Murdoch def not involved in GB news. Discovery channel are the main funders for that although there is a hedge fund involved as well.


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https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/01/rupert-murdochs-news-uk-tv-channel-given-approval-to-launch

A bit of googling, Murdoch's one is News UK TV.

[Kato]

John le Carré died an Irishman.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56596117


-Before his death he told CBS News' 60 Minutes: "My England would be the one that recognises its place in the EU.
"The jingoistic England that is trying to march us out of the EU, that is an England I don't want to know."-

[JeMeSouviens]

John le Carré died an Irishman.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56596117


-Before his death he told CBS News' 60 Minutes: "My England would be the one that recognises its place in the EU.
"The jingoistic England that is trying to march us out of the EU, that is an England I don't want to know."-

I'm half way through his sort of autobiography, The Pigeon Tunnel. It's a good read. Among other things, he taught at Eton for a while. I think he had a pretty well rounded view of how the UK operates.

[BroxburnHibee]

oh well..

Tears flow for Brits as they head home to avoid being deported as illegals in Spain (global247news.com) (https://global247news.com/2021/03/26/tears-flow-for-brits-as-they-head-home-to-avoid-being-deported-as-illegals-in-spain/?fbclid=IwAR15arrN4c-N6-4jTmlzX2KMcsybbyMaUWZSx2HfIKED6CkBlRjbG6X2m7U)


Tears flow for Brits as they head home to avoid being deported as illegals in Spain: Brits this weekend across Spain, leave the country for at least 180 days as they don’t wish to be Spanish residents or have been declined for residency.

I bet the vast majority voted leave and believed all the lies their tory friends fed them. No sympathy whatsoever.

[Northernhibee]

I bet the vast majority voted leave and believed all the lies their tory friends fed them. No sympathy whatsoever.

Apparently the majority voted to remain, but there were still pockets of places (your Benidorm sort of areas) that were filled with leavers.

I hope that those who voted remain and respected the areas that they lived in get some time on the plane with the leavers to give them a piece of their mind.

[Callyballybe]

Trying to watch my levels of schadenfreude here - I'm sure there will be a lot of people having to leave due to something they didn't vote for - But you can't help but laugh at this 'plum' they've interviewed in the piece:

"Yes I voted out, but I didn’t realise it would come to this, my application has been rejected and we are on our way home – the wife is in tears, she’s distraught if I’m honest and I’m not too happy at the prospect of returning back to the UK."

Followed by:

"long term I think the Spanish will regret chucking us out of Spain"

Significant generalization admittedly, but I just feel he's probably a Rangers fan...

[Kato]

"long term I think the Spanish will regret chucking us out of Spain"

Significant generalization admittedly, but I just feel he's probably a Rangers fan...

Future chapter of Spanish history book -


"Then going into the 2030's it became clear that throwing Brexit voting blue-noses out of Spain was a huge mistake and the country never recovered....."

Nup, canny see it.

[Stairway 2 7]

Yes they are gammon yes they voted for there own downfall. I won't be smiling watching TV of people losing there homes. The same way as I would be distraught if it was Spanish losing there homes in Edinburgh if it was reversed, even if they voted for it. It's very sad all round another price of brexit

[danhibees1875]

Yes they are gammon yes they voted for there own downfall. I won't be smiling watching TV of people losing there homes. The same way as I would be distraught if it was Spanish losing there homes in Edinburgh if it was reversed, even if they voted for it. It's very sad all round another price of brexit

:agree:

Not really sure I'm getting the outpouring of joy at these people having their lives uprooted, just because a minority of them would have voted for leave.

[Northernhibee]

Yes they are gammon yes they voted for there own downfall. I won't be smiling watching TV of people losing there homes. The same way as I would be distraught if it was Spanish losing there homes in Edinburgh if it was reversed, even if they voted for it. It's very sad all round another price of brexit

I’m amazed that the likes of Michael ‘Pob’ Gove and others aren’t being ripped to shreds for all the comments about no downsides and sunny uplands and the like.

[Hibrandenburg]

Yes they are gammon yes they voted for there own downfall. I won't be smiling watching TV of people losing there homes. The same way as I would be distraught if it was Spanish losing there homes in Edinburgh if it was reversed, even if they voted for it. It's very sad all round another price of brexit

As someone directly effected by Brexit, I can't be quite as forgiving towards the turkeys that voted for Christmas. These people chose to do this to themselves, I and many others didn't and ended up losing the automatic right to live in countries we called home.

[Just Alf]

To be fair, they're not losing their homes, they've lost the right to live in them unrestricted, .....they can go back home once they've been away the required amount of time. Mind you a that is something like 180 days?


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[Hibrandenburg]

To be fair, they're not losing their homes, they've lost the right to live in them unrestricted, .....they can go back home once they've been away the required amount of time. Mind you a that is something like 180 days?


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If from one day to the next you can't live somewhere for 180 days a year because you're no longer considered to have the right to abode, then I think you can safely say you've lost your home.

[Jack]

:agree:

Not really sure I'm getting the outpouring of joy at these people having their lives uprooted, just because a minority of them would have voted for leave.

Don't ask me to find it but I saw an article many months ago on a Costa Brits website type thing, the type that's full of adverts for all day English breakfasts, black economy odd jobs men and the like. Maybe it was a bit akin to Little England on the Costa but it suggested around 80% voted for brexit.

I don't for a minute think it was as high as that in Spain overall but I find it hard to sympathise with any one of them that voted for it. In fact I feel no sympathy for anyone who is adversely affected by it who voted for it.

[wookie70]

:agree:

Not really sure I'm getting the outpouring of joy at these people having their lives uprooted, just because a minority of them would have voted for leave.

I might be wrong but I took the article to mean they were stopping British citizens from staying in Spain who had not registered and who had essentially been wanting the best of all worlds trying to avoid tax etc. I suspect those that have been lawfully living in Spain and playing by the rules will be fine. I think I would equate those who think the rules don't apply to them as the exact type of person I would expect to have voted for Brexit, hence the lack of sympathy from me. I would have genuine sympathy for anyone playing by the rules who has voted remain though but I suspect that will be a small number of individuals.

[WeeRussell]

Don't ask me to find it but I saw an article many months ago on a Costa Brits website type thing, the type that's full of adverts for all day English breakfasts, black economy odd jobs men and the like. Maybe it was a bit akin to Little England on the Costa but it suggested around 80% voted for brexit.

I don't for a minute think it was as high as that in Spain overall but I find it hard to sympathise with any one of them that voted for it. In fact I feel no sympathy for anyone who is adversely affected by it who voted for it.

Particularly those that still refuse to concede that voting for it maybe wasn't the cleverest of ideas.

[Bostonhibby]

Particularly those that still refuse to concede that voting for it maybe wasn't the cleverest of ideas.There's quite a few down here, I know one rabid Tory voter very well, he was swayed by Bozo on Brexit but he does seem genuinely concerned about what it has actually developed into and how its affecting him already.

He's definitely not happy about cronyism around Covid contracts but his default position on this and most other things is that "it would have been worse under Corbyn" before straying off the subject.

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[Jones28]

Don't ask me to find it but I saw an article many months ago on a Costa Brits website type thing, the type that's full of adverts for all day English breakfasts, black economy odd jobs men and the like. Maybe it was a bit akin to Little England on the Costa but it suggested around 80% voted for brexit.

I don't for a minute think it was as high as that in Spain overall but I find it hard to sympathise with any one of them that voted for it. In fact I feel no sympathy for anyone who is adversely affected by it who voted for it.

I can’t feel sympathy for the morons who voted for Brexit who lived abroad, but I do feel for some of the people that swallowed everything hook, line and sinker here. High school text books will be showing those pictures (or holograms) to pupils in 50 years time in history class.

[WeeRussell]

There's quite a few down here, I know one rabid Tory voter very well, he was swayed by Bozo on Brexit but he does seem genuinely concerned about what it has actually developed into and how its affecting him already.

He's definitely not happy about cronyism around Covid contracts but his default position on this and most other things is that "it would have been worse under Corbyn" before straying off the subject.

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Yeah that one seems an all too common and very weak retort amongst tory voters.

I also imagine there’s a fair few still blaming the EU for much of the downsides coming their way now... as if they were only voting for all the ‘good stuff’ and the EU have no right to protect their interests now we’re oot. And no doubt some just blame Europe regardless of whether their issues are anything to do with the EU/brexit!

It’s a pretty sad state of affairs but did any of us predict any different when this complete shambles was allowed to happen...

[Bostonhibby]

Yeah that one seems an all too common and very weak retort amongst tory voters.

I also imagine there’s a fair few still blaming the EU for much of the downsides coming their way now... as if they were only voting for all the ‘good stuff’ and the EU have no right to protect their interests now we’re oot. And no doubt some just blame Europe regardless of whether their issues are anything to do with the EU/brexit!

It’s a pretty sad state of affairs but did any of us predict any different when this complete shambles was allowed to happen...

For some it's not too far a stretch to just blame "foreigners" generally for whatever they are currently seeing going wrong with their vision of what Britannia was meant to be, of just for their own personal shortcomings / problems.

I've even heard it said that there's still too many non EU foreigners being allowed in as if that's down to the EU rather than their own ignorance of how Bozo has "taken back control".

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[Callum_62]

For some it's not too far a stretch to just blame "foreigners" generally for whatever they are currently seeing going wrong with their vision of what Britannia was meant to be, of just for their own personal shortcomings / problems.

I've even heard it said that there's still too many non EU foreigners being allowed in as if that's down to the EU rather than their own ignorance of how Bozo has "taken back control".

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkIt's funny and I bet they have no idea on how hard and costly immigration is for non EU citizens

We just applied for my wife's indefinate leave to remain

£2350 for application fee
£50 life in the UK test (thankfully passed first time)
£112 appointment to update biometrics - Could only get Glasgow as none available in Edinburgh so its a drive into Glasgow city centre for a 7pm appointment)

Call it £2500 all up

No one can tell me that isn't anything other than a sheer money making exercise

Ofcourse we have had to get 2 x 2.5 year works visa previous to this point which were about £1300 a pop

Talking over £5k and still no right to a passport yet (that's another £1200)

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[Bostonhibby]

It's funny and I bet they have no idea on how hard and costly immigration is for non EU citizens

We just applied for my wife's indefinate leave to remain

£2350 for application fee
£50 life in the UK test (thankfully passed first time)
£112 appointment to update biometrics - Could only get Glasgow as none available in Edinburgh so its a drive into Glasgow city centre for a 7pm appointment)

Call it £2500 all up

No one can tell me that isn't anything other than a sheer money making exercise

Ofcourse we have had to get 2 x 2.5 year works visa previous to this point which were about £1300 a pop

Talking over £5k and still no right to a passport yet (that's another £1200)

Sent from my VOG-L29 using TapatalkNot to mention how hard working many are and what they contribute.

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[Callum_62]

Not to mention how hard working many are and what they contribute.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkShe just teaches the children here. What a leech.

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[Glory Lurker]

It's funny and I bet they have no idea on how hard and costly immigration is for non EU citizens

We just applied for my wife's indefinate leave to remain

£2350 for application fee
£50 life in the UK test (thankfully passed first time)
£112 appointment to update biometrics - Could only get Glasgow as none available in Edinburgh so its a drive into Glasgow city centre for a 7pm appointment)

Call it £2500 all up

No one can tell me that isn't anything other than a sheer money making exercise

Ofcourse we have had to get 2 x 2.5 year works visa previous to this point which were about £1300 a pop

Talking over £5k and still no right to a passport yet (that's another £1200)

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This makes me want to greet. Scotland should be no part of this.

[Bostonhibby]

She just teaches the children here. What a leech.

Sent from my VOG-L29 using TapatalkExactly the same as my son's partner[emoji106]

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[JeMeSouviens]

It's funny and I bet they have no idea on how hard and costly immigration is for non EU citizens

We just applied for my wife's indefinate leave to remain

£2350 for application fee
£50 life in the UK test (thankfully passed first time)
£112 appointment to update biometrics - Could only get Glasgow as none available in Edinburgh so its a drive into Glasgow city centre for a 7pm appointment)

Call it £2500 all up

No one can tell me that isn't anything other than a sheer money making exercise

Ofcourse we have had to get 2 x 2.5 year works visa previous to this point which were about £1300 a pop

Talking over £5k and still no right to a passport yet (that's another £1200)

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Jesus wept.

[Colr]

It's funny and I bet they have no idea on how hard and costly immigration is for non EU citizens

We just applied for my wife's indefinate leave to remain

£2350 for application fee
£50 life in the UK test (thankfully passed first time)
£112 appointment to update biometrics - Could only get Glasgow as none available in Edinburgh so its a drive into Glasgow city centre for a 7pm appointment)

Call it £2500 all up

No one can tell me that isn't anything other than a sheer money making exercise

Ofcourse we have had to get 2 x 2.5 year works visa previous to this point which were about £1300 a pop

Talking over £5k and still no right to a passport yet (that's another £1200)

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As prophetic Scottish playwright David Greig said “This is what a border is. A magic money line.”

Why do you think the Romans built Hadrian’s Wall instead of taking over Scotland? You create a border, you can extract a payment for everything that crosses it.

[Future17]

It's funny and I bet they have no idea on how hard and costly immigration is for non EU citizens

We just applied for my wife's indefinate leave to remain

£2350 for application fee
£50 life in the UK test (thankfully passed first time)
£112 appointment to update biometrics - Could only get Glasgow as none available in Edinburgh so its a drive into Glasgow city centre for a 7pm appointment)

Call it £2500 all up

No one can tell me that isn't anything other than a sheer money making exercise

Ofcourse we have had to get 2 x 2.5 year works visa previous to this point which were about £1300 a pop

Talking over £5k and still no right to a passport yet (that's another £1200)

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And that's for someone applying directly; imagine the total bill if you need to pay someone to apply on your behalf.

[Bostonhibby]

And that's for someone applying directly; imagine the total bill if you need to pay someone to apply on your behalf.There'll be a relation or friend of a government minister with a business that will be happy to help, either that or Matt Hancock's pub landlord will coincidentally be an expert on arranging this as well.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Think Brexit's all over? Wait until the grace periods end... - West Country (https://westcountrybylines.co.uk/think-brexits-all-over-wait-until-the-grace-periods-end/)


Despite the best efforts of 87 per cent of the mainstream media (by circulation) trying to distract you from the battering Brexit is giving to business up and down the UK, news is at last filtering through. And, bad as this news is, we have yet to see the worst because the Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA) contains a number of grace periods which are putting off the evil hour when Brexit finally, genuinely bites. What’s more, the TCA itself has not yet been ratified by the European Parliament, so we face yet another Brexit cliff-edge at the end of this month and could still end up with no-deal Brexit.

[Kato]

Think Brexit's all over? Wait until the grace periods end... - West Country (https://westcountrybylines.co.uk/think-brexits-all-over-wait-until-the-grace-periods-end/)


Despite the best efforts of 87 per cent of the mainstream media (by circulation) trying to distract you from the battering Brexit is giving to business up and down the UK, news is at last filtering through. And, bad as this news is, we have yet to see the worst because the Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA) contains a number of grace periods which are putting off the evil hour when Brexit finally, genuinely bites. What’s more, the TCA itself has not yet been ratified by the European Parliament, so we face yet another Brexit cliff-edge at the end of this month and could still end up with no-deal Brexit.

Very informative, some stuff in there on the various grace periods that have been given zero publicity.

British companies could be forgiven for thinking that they are no longer on a level playing field and that it is their own government that is showing more favourable treatment to their competitors!

Sunny uplands.

[Keith_M]

There was a discussion on TV today about whether the UK's relative success in vaccinating people against Covid is because of Brexit.


I just wondered what everybody's view on here was.


(puts on tin hat and hides in corner)

[lapsedhibee]

There was a discussion on TV today about whether the UK's relative success in vaccinating people against Covid is because of Brexit.


I just wondered what everybody's view on here was.




That's absolute pish.

It's because we kept the £ when everyone else thought the € was the way to go.

[danhibees1875]

There was a discussion on TV today about whether the UK's relative success in vaccinating people against Covid is because of Brexit.


I just wondered what everybody's view on here was.


(puts on tin hat and hides in corner)

I'm not convinced it is because of Brexit - but I can see why some may choose to believe it as such.

I'd say it was down to the UK having our own procurement and approval processes and choosing to use them, which could have happened regardless of Brexit (infact it did happen last year prior to Brexit being officially enacted I believe).

I can't really remember when the news came out that we were shunning a joint up approach with the EU and were going it alone but I imagine I tutted at the time. :greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

There was a discussion on TV today about whether the UK's relative success in vaccinating people against Covid is because of Brexit.


I just wondered what everybody's view on here was.


(puts on tin hat and hides in corner)

It undoubtedly did help. But that is separate from the unparalleled social and economic disaster brexit is and will be

[Peevemor]

I'm not convinced it is because of Brexit - but I can see why some may choose to believe it as such.

I'd say it was down to the UK having our own procurement and approval processes and choosing to use them, which could have happened regardless of Brexit (infact it did happen last year prior to Brexit being officially enacted I believe).

I can't really remember when the news came out that we were shunning a joint up approach with the EU and were going it alone but I imagine I tutted at the time. :greengrinI think that the EU member countries were at liberty to decide what vaccines to approve and negotiate their procurement independently, but most chose to stick with EU group decisions and ordering.

However Boris basically lied to the British public and told his own version of the story.

[Stairway 2 7]

Germany France Holland and Italy wanted to buy separately as a block of 4. They were unhappy at the speed of Brussels and had a provisional deal with az. The EU pushed them to buy as a block which took months more

www.politico.eu/article/europe-coronavirus-vaccine-struggle-pfizer-biontech-astrazeneca/amp/

[Peevemor]

Germany France Holland and Italy wanted to buy separately as a block of 4. They were unhappy at the speed of Brussels and had a provisional deal with az. The EU pushed them to buy as a block which took months more

www.politico.eu/article/europe-coronavirus-vaccine-struggle-pfizer-biontech-astrazeneca/amp/The EU may have pushed them, but they weren't obliged to accept.

The 4 countries were also present on what became the EU's 7 man negotiating team, so I doubt they started from scratch but probably continued with the negotiations the 4 of them had started.

[Jones28]

I’m finding it all very strange that we need a global pandemic to show how “bureaucratic” and “difficult” the EU actually is. Is this a good thing now?

[Hibrandenburg]

There was a discussion on TV today about whether the UK's relative success in vaccinating people against Covid is because of Brexit.


I just wondered what everybody's view on here was.


(puts on tin hat and hides in corner)

Nope, there was nothing stopping individual EU nations procuring their own vaccines if they'd wanted to. If the UK was still in the EU, it probably would have made no difference.

[Kato]

I’m finding it all very strange that we need a global pandemic to show how “bureaucratic” and “difficult” the EU actually is. Is this a good thing now?

Are they as “bureaucratic” and “difficult” on everything else as they were with the Vaccines?

[Jones28]

Are they as “bureaucratic” and “difficult” on everything else as they were with the Vaccines?

That’s my point.

[Kato]

That’s my point.

:aok:

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/nealerichmond/status/1382614348733022211?s=19

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[Jack]

https://twitter.com/nealerichmond/status/1382614348733022211?s=19

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That would be funny if it wasn't so serious.

[Jones28]

:aok:

I maybe didn’t explain it in the best way; I haven’t seen any other glaring examples of bureaucracy and it has taken a global pandemic to show it.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Banks and insurers move £1 trillion of assets out of UK due to Brexit | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/brexit-banks-city-london-move-assets-b1832563.html?fbclid=IwAR23SuUP8N58cyEOFnZ1Lac6teA bqhwX83V-eIZMfn4lRBEJgbjuTWV9_Uw)


More than 440 financial firms have shifted thousands of jobs and £1 trillion of assets out of the UK and into the EU because of Brexit (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/brexit), with more pain still to come, according to new research

Insurance firms and asset managers have moved a further £100bn.
“The worse news is that this analysis is almost certainly a significant underestimate of the real picture,” the report said. “We are only at the end of the beginning of Brexit.”


we have to get away from Westminster :agree: and to think some in this country want to keep us chained in this unequal corrupt crooked union

[Pretty Boy]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/18/the-night-prince-philip-told-me-he-was-a-european-mongrel-and-happy-that-way

This is quite an interesting, and I suppose topical, take on the stance of the royals on the EU and Europe. The ardent eurosceptics would love to claim them as their own but this suggests otherwise. Leaving aside the royal content it paints a vivid picture of the current lunacy of the upper echelons of the Conservative Party. They are wilfully cutting their own throats.

[Jones28]

There was a discussion on TV today about whether the UK's relative success in vaccinating people against Covid is because of Brexit.


I just wondered what everybody's view on here was.


(puts on tin hat and hides in corner)


The government took a huge gamble on vaccines and it paid off.

A stopped clock is right twice a day.

[Keith_M]

I'm not convinced it is because of Brexit - but I can see why some may choose to believe it as such.

I'd say it was down to the UK having our own procurement and approval processes and choosing to use them, which could have happened regardless of Brexit (infact it did happen last year prior to Brexit being officially enacted I believe).

I can't really remember when the news came out that we were shunning a joint up approach with the EU and were going it alone but I imagine I tutted at the time. :greengrin



That's my feeling as well, though you can see how those in favour of Brexit will want to paint it that way, as they probably feel it justifies the decision to leave.

What I do think is that the UK has (quite surprisingly) shown up most other countries for the ****show they seem to be having with their vaccination programs.

Germany is the one I'm most surprised about and think their current vaccination level (possibly 15%) is actually quite pathetic.

[Stairway 2 7]

That's my feeling as well, though you can see how those in favour of Brexit will want to paint it that way, as they probably feel it justifies the decision to leave.

What I do think is that the UK has (quite surprisingly) shown up most other countries for the ****show they seem to be having with their vaccination programs.

Germany is the one I'm most surprised about and think their current vaccination level (possibly 15%) is actually quite pathetic.

I think Europe's procurement was poor but not that bad uks was just really good. UK was lucky that az worked if it didn'twe'dbe behind Europe simple as. France pushed eu to buy there 2 vaccines in priority, both unfortunately never worked soon enough.

The problem is amplified 10 fold that macron and Merkel are both right wing nutters. Macrons I never regret anything in life even not locking down, and Merkel I apologise to the nation for suggesting a full lockdown at Easter. I think boris was so strict this year after the devastation that last years poor performance caused

[Pretty Boy]

I think Europe's procurement was poor but not that bad uks was just really good. UK was lucky that az worked if it didn'twe'dbe behind Europe simple as. France pushed eu to buy there 2 vaccines in priority, both unfortunately never worked soon enough.

The problem is amplified 10 fold that macron and Merkel are both right wing nutters. Macrons I never regret anything in life even not locking down, and Merkel I apologise to the nation for suggesting a full lockdown at Easter. I think boris was so strict this year after the devastation that last years poor performance caused

I think with Merkel there may have been a case of being a bit too commited to the EU and unity in the face of Brexit as well. Had Germany really wanted to they could have flexed their financial muscle and gone it alone.

Whether she was being genuinely noble and commited to the cause or whether it was a bit of playing politics, badly as it turned out, is open to debate.

[Hibrandenburg]

I think Europe's procurement was poor but not that bad uks was just really good. UK was lucky that az worked if it didn'twe'dbe behind Europe simple as. France pushed eu to buy there 2 vaccines in priority, both unfortunately never worked soon enough.

The problem is amplified 10 fold that macron and Merkel are both right wing nutters. Macrons I never regret anything in life even not locking down, and Merkel I apologise to the nation for suggesting a full lockdown at Easter. I think boris was so strict this year after the devastation that last years poor performance caused

Merkel is further left than Starmer, right wing and centre-right nutters hate her.

[Stairway 2 7]

Merkel is further left than Starmer, right wing and centre-right nutters hate her.

It's close starmer is right of a centre left party she is left of a centre right party. Regardless her lack of lockdown and pitiful apologising for considering a lockdown, means many days of 30,000 cases recently and hundreds of deaths

[Hibrandenburg]

I think with Merkel there may have been a case of being a bit too commited to the EU and unity in the face of Brexit as well. Had Germany really wanted to they could have flexed their financial muscle and gone it alone.

Whether she was being genuinely noble and commited to the cause or whether it was a bit of playing politics, badly as it turned out, is open to debate.

I find it strange me sticking up for a CDU politician but there you are, Merkel has tried to do the nobel thing wherever she could, from taking in refugees to trying to promote cooperation on vaccines so that poorer countries get their fair share. Her intentions have always been honorable, unfortunately honourable doesn't cut it in the modern world of politics.

[Hibrandenburg]

It's close starmer is right of a centre left party she is left of a centre right party. Regardless her lack of lockdown and pitiful apologising for considering a lockdown, means many days of 30,000 cases recently and hundreds of deaths

As I explained at the beginning of this thread, in Germany it's been laid down in law for decades about who has the power to do what, the German Seuchengesetz (epidemic law) puts most of the powers with the Bundesländern (states), I think her u-turn will have been forced upon her by the state presidents.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-13/merkel-s-cabinet-to-pass-lockdown-law-to-tackle-surge-in-cases

She's going to pass a law to change that she admits they should have done it sooner. Shambles like watching a car crash in slow motion. Europe's reaction this year is like the UK's last year watching the devastation in Milan. There is no excuse for the deaths in Europe this year they had months of watching the Kent variant speed up. Lockdown would have saved thousands of lives in each country

[Hibrandenburg]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-13/merkel-s-cabinet-to-pass-lockdown-law-to-tackle-surge-in-cases

She's going to pass a law to change that she admits they should have done it sooner. Shambles like watching a car crash in slow motion. Europe's reaction this year is like the UK's last year watching the devastation in Milan. There is no excuse for the deaths in Europe this year they had months of watching the Kent variant speed up. Lockdown would have saved thousands of lives in each country

The laws currently in place were never conceived to counter an epidemic that lasts this long. The problem is not Merkel, the problem is smaller parties on the extreme left and right encouraging civil disobedience in the measures already in place. These parties thrive on public dissatisfaction and therefore encourage it. If she goes all authoritarian then she gives them more ammunition, if she's seen to be too weak then she gives them more ammunition. She's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. The majority are still following guidelines, but as we know, with Covid that's not enough, everybody has to abide by the restrictions. At the end of the day and when all this is over, the only thing that will count is the death count and the economy. With the vaccine campaign now getting into swing, I think Germany will be licking its wounds like most European nations, but considering the large population I think they'll give her a pass mark.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56932551

No cod suppers in English chippies.

[Bostonhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56932551

No cod suppers in English chippies.Bozo will just rebrand eels as cod and his supporters will chomp merrily on.

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[StevieC]

Bozo will just rebrand eels as cod and his supporters will chomp merrily on.

And the British eels will be happier for it 😉

[Bostonhibby]

And the British eels will be happier for it [emoji6][emoji16]
Bloody eels, coming over here and replacing all our cod (well technically it never was ours but... rule Britannia and all that)

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[Glory Lurker]

So the UK, with all its glorious history and nukes and better way of doing things, gets banjoed by tiny Norway? How? How could that possibly happen? Oh, not being in the EU. Ah, that makes sense.

Well, it's just some folk in Hull. Boris cares nil about their sort. And Keir? He'll just be saying "let them decorate from John Lewis".

[danhibees1875]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56932551

No cod suppers in English chippies.

In theory there is still going to be cod, it's just the Norwegians will catch it.

I can't remember which way round is meant to be better/cheaper but I imagine that means cod will become more expensive and haddock will become the "go to" fish for people (if it isn't already - my gut instinct would be to order haddock I think).

[ronaldo7]

UK Gov fail to even maintain the amount of fish caught in the last 10 years.

Selling out the fishing industry again, those broad shoulders have sloped again.

Something tells me we'd be better doing the negotiations ourselves.

[tamig]

In theory there is still going to be cod, it's just the Norwegians will catch it.

I can't remember which way round is meant to be better/cheaper but I imagine that means cod will become more expensive and haddock will become the "go to" fish for people (if it isn't already - my gut instinct would be to order haddock I think).
Haddock is the traditional go-to in a Scottish fish supper. Cod more popular down south. Haddock is by far the tastier fish imo. Johnson better keep his mitts off our haddock.

[Bostonhibby]

Haddock is the traditional go-to in a Scottish fish supper. Cod more popular down south. Haddock is by far the tastier fish imo. Johnson better keep his mitts off our haddock.Getting cod wont be a problem, it's just that it'll be Norwegian for the time being. Whatever that means. Another Brexit bonus.

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[lapsedhibee]

Getting cod wont be a problem, it's just that it'll be Norwegian for the time being. Whatever that means. Another Brexit bonus.



Pretty sure it means the fish won't be happy.

[Bostonhibby]

Pretty sure it means the fish won't be happy."Fish in our time"

Other equally incomprehensible but populist sounding statements are available.



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[Ozyhibby]

Haddock for me. Cod seems a bit oily for me.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

1. Lemon Sole
2, Haddock

my favs

[cabbageandribs1875]

plenty of jobs for Brexit Brits now

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/179710110_4014167765306691_4441077030458441156_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=mw7Kie_7dAsAX_ZDQKK&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=43e38bd0b8a9508fea2a44a9b9e8e51a&oe=60B1924B

[Bostonhibby]

plenty of jobs for Brexit Brits now

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/179710110_4014167765306691_4441077030458441156_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=mw7Kie_7dAsAX_ZDQKK&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=43e38bd0b8a9508fea2a44a9b9e8e51a&oe=60B1924BGood shout, quite a few of them will know what knives and forks are so it's a start.[emoji16]

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[Jack]

Fishing row triggers French threat of Jersey power cut

The French government has voiced anger over what it calls new UK fishing rules in the Channel and warns it could cut electricity to Jersey in response.

Maritime Minister Annick Girardin told the French parliament that the new rules governing access to Channel Islands waters were unacceptable.

She said "we are ready to use the retaliatory measures" under the UK-EU post-Brexit trade deal.

She then mentioned France's underwater cables supplying power to Jersey.

"I am sorry it has come to this [but] we will do so if we have to," she said.

In a statement to AFP news agency, the French fisheries ministry said the UK had introduced "new technical measures" linked to licences for fishing off the Channel Islands, which had not been communicated to the EU and were, therefore, "null and void".


Also from the article ...

A week ago French Europe Minister Clément Beaune accused the UK of blocking fishing rights. He said the EU could respond with "reprisals" in financial services.

French fishermen have complained of being prevented from operating in British waters because of difficulties in obtaining licences.

Meanwhile, British seafood exporters have been hit by an EU ban on UK exports of live shellfish. Scottish firms account for most of that business, and some now face collapse.

Last week the UK also failed to get a new fishing agreement with Norway. That failure threatens to prevent British trawlers catching cod in Norway's sub-Arctic seas.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56984886

[Northernhibee]

plenty of jobs for Brexit Brits now

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I also don’t know any furloughed workers who aren’t dying to return to work. What’s the betting that it’s because their workplace haven’t been seen to put in enough safeguards to make unvaccinated workers safe?

[wookie70]

I also don’t know any furloughed workers who aren’t dying to return to work. What’s the betting that it’s because their workplace haven’t been seen to put in enough safeguards to make unvaccinated workers safe?

If I was furloughed I would have loved it to have continued as long as possible. My aspirations are to retire though and working has never really appealed to me. Given there have been deaths, most notably one at DVLA, where workers have been forced to return to unsafe workplaces I hope that all the safeguards are put in place before workers are back in post.

[Northernhibee]

If I was furloughed I would have loved it to have continued as long as possible. My aspirations are to retire though and working has never really appealed to me. Given there have been deaths, most notably one at DVLA, where workers have been forced to return to unsafe workplaces I hope that all the safeguards are put in place before workers are back in post.

At a time where zero hours contracts are prevalent and self employments gig economy jobs are on the rise, there should be a question about what employers are doing to make their workplaces places where people don’t just want to work but are able to. Blaming workers who need to be guaranteed a wage is proper Tory playbook stuff.

Brexit is only going to make that worse.

[wookie70]

At a time where zero hours contracts are prevalent and self employments gig economy jobs are on the rise, there should be a question about what employers are doing to make their workplaces places where people don’t just want to work but are able to. Blaming workers who need to be guaranteed a wage is proper Tory playbook stuff.

Brexit is only going to make that worse.

I am certainly not blaming workers. Employers, including the government, have to make workplaces safe. Workers should always resist working in unsafe conditions and indeed DVLA staff are doing just that right now.

[Northernhibee]

I am certainly not blaming workers. Employers, including the government, have to make workplaces safe. Workers should always resist working in unsafe conditions and indeed DVLA staff are doing just that right now.

Indeed, we’re very much on the same page there.

[Hibrandenburg]

The EU is concerned about EU citizens being held in UK detention centres.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-nationals-commission-detention-home-office-uk-b1845053.html%3famp

[Hibrandenburg]

Brits living abroad for more than 15 years to be given back their right to vote.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/11/britons-living-abroad-for-more-than-15-years-to-be-given-right-to-vote

[Ozyhibby]

Brits living abroad for more than 15 years to be given back their right to vote.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/11/britons-living-abroad-for-more-than-15-years-to-be-given-right-to-vote

Does this apply in Scotland?


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[Future17]

Brits living abroad for more than 15 years to be given back their right to vote.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/11/britons-living-abroad-for-more-than-15-years-to-be-given-right-to-vote

Part of a cynical manoeuvre by the Tories to consolidate power. FWIW, I think it's ridiculous that people living outside the UK for that length of time would still get a say in how its governed.

[Future17]

Does this apply in Scotland?


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No. Sorry, just to clarify, it wouldn't apply for Scotland-only elections and referendums.

[Hibrandenburg]

Does this apply in Scotland?


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As long as Scotland is part of the UK, then I'd imagine so.

[Hibrandenburg]

Part of a cynical manoeuvre by the Tories to consolidate power. FWIW, I think it's ridiculous that people living outside the UK for that length of time would still get a say in how its governed.

FWIW I agree.

[Jones28]

Part of a cynical manoeuvre by the Tories to consolidate power. FWIW, I think it's ridiculous that people living outside the UK for that length of time would still get a say in how its governed.

Like their voter ID scheme.

[Future17]

Like their voter ID scheme.

Exactly. A voter ID scheme that has been rejected time and time again by a variety of interested parties - including the Electoral Commission - as being a barrier to the exercise of democracy.

[Future17]

As long as Scotland is part of the UK, then I'd imagine so.

The franchise is devolved for Scottish electoral events and referendums.

[Jones28]

Exactly. A voter ID scheme that has been rejected time and time again by a variety of interested parties - including the Electoral Commission - as being a barrier to the exercise of democracy.

If they bring this in it MUST BE free and completely automatic. Anything else (application form, costs, etc) is designed to cement power.

[Future17]

If they bring this in it MUST BE free and completely automatic. Anything else (application form, costs, etc) is designed to cement power.

Even that will have an impact. As we've seen with Covid vaccine uptake in certain communities, some people simply don't trust any additional contact with authority of any kind and, in some cases, with good reason.

[Jones28]

Even that will have an impact. As we've seen with Covid vaccine uptake in certain communities, some people simply don't trust any additional contact with authority of any kind and, in some cases, with good reason.

:agree: that's all it's designed to do.

[Callum_62]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-willing-rip-up-24120511?utm_source=facebook.com

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[StevieC]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-willing-rip-up-24120511?utm_source=facebook.com

That sounds like “give us a better deal or we will let it kick off in Northern Ireland!”

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1394555513497661440?s=21

Interesting thread on how Scotland’s farmer are about to get shafted.


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[SHODAN]

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1394555513497661440?s=21

Interesting thread on how Scotland’s farmer are about to get shafted.


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My local farm had a big SNP banner up last month. Wonder if the penny is starting to drop.

[JeMeSouviens]

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1394555513497661440?s=21

Interesting thread on how Scotland’s farmer are about to get shafted.


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First big test of the direction of Brexit Britain. If they can't even manage free trade deals with Aus and NZ, which would be tiny in terms of actual amount of trade, because of domestic issues, then the US will be even further out of reach.

Screw the farmers, in this case disproportionately Welsh and Scots with consequent implications for the indy debate, or effectively admit the whole thing is a giant waste of time. :dunno:

[Ozyhibby]

First big test of the direction of Brexit Britain. If they can't even manage free trade deals with Aus and NZ, which would be tiny in terms of actual amount of trade, because of domestic issues, then the US will be even further out of reach.

Screw the farmers, in this case disproportionately Welsh and Scots with consequent implications for the indy debate, or effectively admit the whole thing is a giant waste of time. :dunno:

Looks like the deal is done and the farmers will indeed be shafted. Might see some cheaper Aussie wine but that is cancelled out by dearer French wine.
Hopefully there is a freedom of movement element to the deal.


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[Hibrandenburg]

Looks like the deal is done and the farmers will indeed be shafted. Might see some cheaper Aussie wine but that is cancelled out by dearer French wine.
Hopefully there is a freedom of movement element to the deal.


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Here's hoping, there's nothing like a long-weekend trip over to Brisbane.

[Crunchie]

Exactly. A voter ID scheme that has been rejected time and time again by a variety of interested parties - including the Electoral Commission - as being a barrier to the exercise of democracy.
Absolute tosh, presenting id would be a barrier to democracy? We present id when we go to a bank etc, doing so when voting would be no different.

[CropleyWasGod]

Absolute tosh, presenting id would be a barrier to democracy? We present id when we go to a bank etc, doing so when voting would be no different.

The point is that ownership of the types of ID being suggested, ie drivers' licences and passports, is less prevalent in lower-income families. Not having these presents a barrier to their voting.

[JeMeSouviens]

Absolute tosh, presenting id would be a barrier to democracy? We present id when we go to a bank etc, doing so when voting would be no different.

You've got it in 1!*

The people poor enough not to have bank accounts (1.2M in the UK) are exactly who they're trying to disenfranchise.





* inadvertently.

[Crunchie]

You've got it in 1!*

The people poor enough not to have bank accounts (1.2M in the UK) are exactly who they're trying to disenfranchise.





* inadvertently.


I was of the understanding even the poor had bank accounts, isn't that where benefits get paid? I don't see how any reasonable person could object to presenting id before voting.

[Crunchie]

The point is that ownership of the types of ID being suggested, ie drivers' licences and passports, is less prevalent in lower-income families. Not having these presents a barrier to their voting.
I have neither of the above, I doubt very much that would be the defining id required.

[CropleyWasGod]

I have neither of the above, I doubt very much that would be the defining id required.

What would be?

[Crunchie]

What would be?
I'd imagine the same kind of id you need when going to a bank.

[Hibrandenburg]

What would be?

This? :dunno:

[CropleyWasGod]

I'd imagine the same kind of id you need when going to a bank.

Which is what?

I haven't been asked for ID in a bank for a long time, so not sure what the procedure is these days. I can't remember the last time I was even in a bank.

Here's Labour's view on the costs.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/21/mandatory-voter-id-will-cost-40m-over-a-decade-labour-estimates

[Crunchie]

Which is what?

I haven't been asked for ID in a bank for a long time, so not sure what the procedure is these days. I can't remember the last time I was even in a bank.
It's not a drivers licence or a passport that's for sure.

[CropleyWasGod]

It's not a drivers licence or a passport that's for sure.

So what is it?

It's a genuine question. The last time I was asked for ID, to pick up currency, I was asked for photographic ID. My driving licence was accepted.

[weecounty hibby]

I'd imagine the same kind of id you need when going to a bank.

I've not had to show ID in a bank for decades. Other than passport and driving license the only other photo ID I have is my works security pass. I'm sure a works security pass could easily be faked. This is all about voter suppression and is totally unnecessary. In the last election there was 1 case of attempted fraud that resulted in a prosecution.

[Kato]

I don't see how any reasonable person could object to presenting id before voting.


Why would they need ID, what is the reasoning behind changing the law?

[Crunchie]

Why would they need ID, what is the reasoning behind changing the law?
What is the reasoning behind changing any law?

[MartinfaePorty]

What is the reasoning behind changing any law?Usually righting a wrong or reacting to changing circumstances, neither of which are relevant in this case

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[Kato]

What is the reasoning behind changing any law?Am asking you for your thoughts.

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[Ozyhibby]

Has there been any case of electoral fraud in the UK that having voter ID would have prevented? Any at all?

This is voter suppression, plain and simple.


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[Jones28]

Has there been any case of electoral fraud in the UK that having voter ID would have prevented? Any at all?

This is voter suppression, plain and simple.


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No.

1 conviction for voter fraud in the UK at the last general election.

[Mon Dieu4]

Has there been any case of electoral fraud in the UK that having voter ID would have prevented? Any at all?

This is voter suppression, plain and simple.


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You are more likely to get struck by lightning 3 times than electoral fraud in the UK

The stat is something like 0.0000001%

[Bangkok Hibby]

**** off Britain you ****ed up mess of a country.
Yes I've fallen off the wagon and yes I've had a few but I'm so glad I've gone.
Are people actually still proud to be British?

[Bangkok Hibby]

**** off Britain you ****ed up mess of a country.
Yes I've fallen off the wagon and yes I've had a few but I'm so glad I've gone.
Are people actually still proud to be British?

And if you are why? what's so good?

[lapsedhibee]

**** off Britain you ****ed up mess of a country.
Yes I've fallen off the wagon and yes I've had a few but I'm so glad I've gone.
Are people actually still proud to be British?

:tsk tsk: Think you have to say 'Great British' now.

[Bangkok Hibby]

:tsk tsk: Think you have to say 'Great British' now.

😂😂😂😂😂😂 Great?....pathetic!

[cabbageandribs1875]

cawr blimey ! i've not watched this crap for nearly 30 years but is this not very good :devil: you would think a few of our fello...EX-EU friends would fling the UK a wee pointy or two shirly, Westminster will probably campaign to get India included next year

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[Northernhibee]

cawr blimey ! i've not watched this crap for nearly 30 years but is this not very good :devil: you would think a few of our fello...EX-EU friends would fling the UK a wee pointy or two shirly, Westminster will probably campaign to get India included next year

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/189121082_4009257995859991_4017522747584490865_n.j pg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=bYprX9ouEs0AX_hDCfA&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=446371271a286c1476c62b777083b7b6&oe=60D07C35

TBF our song was absolutely *****!

[Colr]

TBF our song was absolutely *****!

Other countries put up their stars for Eurovision. The UK selects a fat pub singer nobody has heard of.

Look forward to The Proclaimers winning Eurovision for Scotland in a few years time.

[StevieC]

cawr blimey ! i've not watched this crap for nearly 30 years but is this not very good :devil: you would think a few of our fello...EX-EU friends would fling the UK a wee pointy or two shirly, Westminster will probably campaign to get India included next year

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/189121082_4009257995859991_4017522747584490865_n.j pg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=bYprX9ouEs0AX_hDCfA&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=446371271a286c1476c62b777083b7b6&oe=60D07C35

The Eurovision results have always been politically motivated.
The year that Russia invaded Ukraine the results were totally skewed between these two with votes from some countries disproportionate depending on which side they supported in the conflict.

There’s no doubt (regardless of how bad the act might have been) that Brexit has played its part here.

[Colr]

Amanda Holden was an embarrassment.

[cabbageandribs1875]

TBF our song was absolutely *****!


The Eurovision results have always been politically motivated.
The year that Russia invaded Ukraine the results were totally skewed between these two with votes from some countries disproportionate depending on which side they supported in the conflict.

There’s no doubt (regardless of how bad the act might have been) that Brexit has played its part here.


then this....



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the BBC or GB news, it's going to be a battle for the state TV broadcaster of the year award

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210601/07c351c777e6fd9dce31bd579a36c12c.jpg


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[Bostonhibby]

then this....



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the BBC or GB news, it's going to be a battle for the state TV broadcaster of the year awardIt's almost as if the USA & Russia didn't have any part in the second world war.





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[tamig]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210601/07c351c777e6fd9dce31bd579a36c12c.jpg


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What an absolute welt of a man.

[Callum_62]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210601/07c351c777e6fd9dce31bd579a36c12c.jpg


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[Moulin Yarns]

What an absolute welt of a man.

Which one? 🤔

[Crunchie]

It's almost as if the USA & Russia didn't have any part in the second world war.





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Well they wouldn't have if it wasn't forced upon them :aok:.

[Jones28]

It's almost as if the USA & Russia didn't have any part in the second world war.





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Or the half a million Indian troops, or Australians, Kiwis, Canadians or indeed numerous other nations that made contributions. :rolleyes:

[Kato]

Well they wouldn't have if it wasn't forced upon them :aok:.Same as every other country other than Japan and Germany then.

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[Jones28]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210601/07c351c777e6fd9dce31bd579a36c12c.jpg


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Wow! It's almost like nobody knew this happen.

The stupid ****ing prick.

[Jones28]

Well they wouldn't have if it wasn't forced upon them :aok:.

What, and we would have sat idly by as well? It was forced on everyone.

[Hibrandenburg]

Well they wouldn't have if it wasn't forced upon them :aok:.

And I used to doubt the existence of parallel universes.

[Bostonhibby]

Or the half a million Indian troops, or Australians, Kiwis, Canadians or indeed numerous other nations that made contributions. :rolleyes:Indeed, but it doesn't suit the agenda of that particular article to attribute the freedoms protected to anyone else.

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[lapsedhibee]

Beginning to see where Hearts' claims of a 400,000 fan base come from. It includes everyone who thinks they won a war single-handedly, doesn't it?

[GRA]

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No shock here. First of many vehement Brexiteers at the time who are now coming out with 'Ah but...' comments.

You'll get plenty of stories like this coming out over the next couple of years once the reality of the shortage of EU workers hits home. Just wait to see the impact on the NHS.

People were warned and they responded it was 'Project Fear'. Well now the chickens are coming home to roost!

[Hibrandenburg]

No shock here. First of many vehement Brexiteers at the time who are now coming out with 'Ah but...' comments.

You'll get plenty of stories like this coming out over the next couple of years once the reality of the shortage of EU workers hits home. Just wait to see the impact on the NHS.

People were warned and they responded it was 'Project Fear'. Well now the chickens are coming home to roost!

The negative effects of Brexit have been masked by the Covid crisis, once the economy starts reopening, companies at the bottom of the food chain will struggle with staff.

[Colr]

The negative effects of Brexit have been masked by the Covid crisis, once the economy starts reopening, companies at the bottom of the food chain will struggle with staff.

Massive shortages in building materials feeding through at the moment. Driven by global demand and HS2 mostly.

[Peevemor]

Massive shortages in building materials feeding through at the moment. Driven by global demand and HS2 mostly.Construction costs here in France are going mental. This morning a contractor was telling me that structural timber, for years about 650-700€/m³, is up to about 1200€. We've had to tell a few clients over the past few months that budgets we set out with at the beginning of last year are no longer anywhere near doable.

[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2021/jun/04/school-trips-to-uk-from-eu-could-halve-brexit-hits-cultural-exchanges?__twitter_impression=true

I used to host foreign language students and they bring a lot of money into the Edinburgh economy. This is business that will only return with independence. It will be a real boost for Dublin.


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[degenerated]

Massive shortages in building materials feeding through at the moment. Driven by global demand and HS2 mostly.There quite a few dynamics at play with this one. The steel market is being affected by the Chinese lowering production and forcing prices up. There is a shortage of polymers which is effecting the manufacture of plastics. There is a worldwide shortage of shipping containers just now which is having a detrimental effect on material availability. Covid is having an impact on material coming from countries where lockdowns have been in force and to complete the perfect storm Brexit has added quite a bit of time on to lead times of materials as they need to clear customs now.

Most of the shortages in the UK can be attributed to the huge upturn in house building, this was not foreseen by a supply base which had furloughed so many people and didn't expect this upturn.

It is a bit of a challenge just now, in 25 years in procurement in this industry I have never seen the sort of price increases that have been implemented (and stuck) since the turn of the year, and I have never seen a time where certain materials like cement are in such short supply.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1336417485516660741?s=21

I’m surprised at this latest row over EU refusal to allow UK sausages into their single market because Michael Gove said that they had sorted it?[emoji849]


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[Glory Lurker]

'Mon the EU.

[Bostonhibby]

Get Sausage Done

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1402886399725084672?s=21

US apparently encouraging UK to align food standards with EU. This would be a great help for the Yes movement as it would make the new border with England a lot less of an issue.[emoji1696]


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[Jack]

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1402886399725084672?s=21

US apparently encouraging UK to align food standards with EU. This would be a great help for the Yes movement as it would make the new border with England a lot less of an issue.[emoji1696]


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Although the UK are acting like dicks on issues around NI/Brexit they'll have to give in, not least because they signed the blumming deal!

Once that's sorted Scotland will have a copy and paste oven ready deal.

[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/13/mistrusted-johnson-feels-full-force-of-eu-fury-as-brexit-wrecks-g7-summit?__twitter_impression=true
Brexit destroying UK reputation.


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[Jones28]

The new trade deal with Australia has simultaneously ****ed over British farmers AND resulted in less tax revenue for the UK treasury. Yay.

[Kato]

The new trade deal with Australia has simultaneously ****ed over British farmers AND resulted in less tax revenue for the UK treasury. Yay.

Take back control.

[Bostonhibby]

The new trade deal with Australia has simultaneously ****ed over British farmers AND resulted in less tax revenue for the UK treasury. Yay.They've been Trussed, well and truly.

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[Hibrandenburg]

The new trade deal with Australia has simultaneously ****ed over British farmers AND resulted in less tax revenue for the UK treasury. Yay.

I can remember back to the time before the EU and the UK being flooded with cheap Australian and New Zealand meat imports destroying UK production. Looks like we've gone full circle.

[cabbageandribs1875]

wow...just wow

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/201669047_10158582049312683_4048427958988537690_n. jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=UiQAaPoidQYAX-p0ZyD&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=fbdb9bf78ce3b042916cc7490c714a77&oe=60CD691F

[lapsedhibee]

wow...just wow

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/201669047_10158582049312683_4048427958988537690_n. jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=UiQAaPoidQYAX-p0ZyD&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=fbdb9bf78ce3b042916cc7490c714a77&oe=60CD691F

:faf: Which of Dorries or Jenkyns has triumphantly tweeted that?

[wookie70]

This is a per person estimate, not sure how I will spend my 1p yet

Will it mean more change in British pockets?Yes. About 1p a week. The government has said it will save British consumers £34m a year, equating to 52p a person

[Ozyhibby]

It looks like Ozy farmers will be able export 60 times what they currently do before any tariffs or quotas come in. And that’s in year one.
Beef and Lamb will get cheaper but the farmers will be goosed. And the food miles will be huge.


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[Jack]

This is a per person estimate, not sure how I will spend my 1p yet

Will it mean more change in British pockets?Yes. About 1p a week. The government has said it will save British consumers £34m a year, equating to 52p a person

It will probably cost the UK agriculture industry many times that amount.

[Colr]

The new trade deal with Australia has simultaneously ****ed over British farmers AND resulted in less tax revenue for the UK treasury. Yay.

Good for global warming as well moving meat half way around the world. Carrie Antionette won’t be pleased.

[Just Alf]

Good for global warming as well moving meat half way around the world. Carrie Antionette won’t be pleased.When our farmers go out of business we'll save the emissions from hearding livestock on their quad bikes though...

Ah wait, the Aussies use planes and helicopters.... ah well.... :-/



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[Ozyhibby]

When our farmers go out of business we'll save the emissions from hearding livestock on their quad bikes though...

Ah wait, the Aussies use planes and helicopters.... ah well.... :-/



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It’s not the only thing Australia does differently. It’s no wonder they can produce their meat a lot cheaper. I guess it’s ok to be cruel if it’s outsourced to another country?


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[Moulin Yarns]

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It’s not the only thing Australia does differently. It’s no wonder they can produce their meat a lot cheaper. I guess it’s ok to be cruel if it’s outsourced to another country?


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People might not know what Mulesing is so here is a little explanation. Warning it's not pleasant.









Mulesing is the practice of scalping the rear end of a sheep, not just cutting the wool, to prevent blowflies laying their eggs on the skin of a sheep, the grubs which burrow under the skin. There are pesticides that will kill the grubs, but then it wastes some of the fleece to remove them rather than do it by hand.

Think twice if buying merino wool garments if you don't know the source of the wool. I buy my merino wool from dealers who source it from south America and the Falkland islands.

[Bostonhibby]

People might not know what Mulesing is so here is a little explanation. Warning it's not pleasant.









Mulesing is the practice of scalping the rear end of a sheep, not just cutting the wool, to prevent blowflies laying their eggs on the skin of a sheep, the grubs which burrow under the skin. There are pesticides that will kill the grubs, but then it wastes some of the fleece to remove them rather than do it by hand.

Think twice if buying merino wool garments if you don't know the source of the wool. I buy my merino wool from dealers who source it from south America and the Falkland islands.[emoji106]

An informative and sadly not surprising indication of the level of what the Nasty party think is acceptable in the brave new world.

I don't think it'll be too difficult to boycott these products and anything else associated with this dirty deal.

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[Hibrandenburg]

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It’s not the only thing Australia does differently. It’s no wonder they can produce their meat a lot cheaper. I guess it’s ok to be cruel if it’s outsourced to another country?


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I guarantee at some point in the future the Tories will be campaigning against cheap imports from Australia in an election.

[Bostonhibby]

I guarantee at some point in the future the Tories will be campaigning against cheap imports from Australia in an election.They'd campaign against Tories if they thought it would keep their snouts at the trough a bit longer so this is entirely feasible.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

keep em coming

apparently the co-op still advertising though ? i'm still disgusted Kirsty Gallacher saw fit to join this tory programme, disgusted i say




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[CloudSquall]

All of a sudden the Common Agricultural Policy doesn't seem so bad.

[Kato]

All of a sudden the Common Agricultural Policy doesn't seem so bad.

The answer here goes something like "You lost. Get over it", I think. Brexit will turn out to be a lose, lose and keep on losing situation.

[Curried]

I’m surprised it hasn’t been raised yet in the media, given past coverage on chlorinated chicken from the US, but all meat chickens sold in Australian are also chlorinated…..Enjoy.

https://www.chicken.org.au/facts-and-figures/

From the FAQ at the bottom of the page:

"Is chlorine used in chicken meat production?

Yes, where immersion chilling (“spin chilling”) is used to rapidly reduce the temperature of freshly dressed chicken carcasses, the water used must be chlorinated or contain a chemical sanitiser approved for food contact. The majority of meat chickens in Australia are currently processed in plants which use a chlorinated water chiller. Chlorination of the water during immersion chilling assists in killing bacteria in the water and maintaining sanitary processing conditions, similar to the treatment of drinking water or swimming pool water.”

[Mr Grieves]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57518910

UK food and drink exports to the EU almost halve.

The government said it was "too early to draw any firm conclusions" on the long term impact of Brexit.

[Crunchie]

I’m surprised it hasn’t been raised yet in the media, given past coverage on chlorinated chicken from the US, but all meat chickens sold in Australian are also chlorinated…..Enjoy.

https://www.chicken.org.au/facts-and-figures/

From the FAQ at the bottom of the page:

"Is chlorine used in chicken meat production?

Yes, where immersion chilling (“spin chilling”) is used to rapidly reduce the temperature of freshly dressed chicken carcasses, the water used must be chlorinated or contain a chemical sanitiser approved for food contact. The majority of meat chickens in Australia are currently processed in plants which use a chlorinated water chiller. Chlorination of the water during immersion chilling assists in killing bacteria in the water and maintaining sanitary processing conditions, similar to the treatment of drinking water or swimming pool water.”
Australia is not some back water country, I'm sure their standards of food are every bit as high as ours.

[Jones28]

Australia is not some back water country, I'm sure their standards of food are every bit as high as ours.

The post you quote would suggest otherwise?

Their welfare standards are not. Some of the practices they still use in the rearing of animals are barbaric.

[Stairway 2 7]

Australia is not some back water country, I'm sure their standards of food are every bit as high as ours.

They simply and definitely are not

[Crunchie]

They simply and definitely are not
Looking at the state of the cheap chicken you see in some of the shops I'd beg to differ, there's no comparison to those pathetic underdeveloped birds on the shelves to a real chicken.

[CapitalGreen]

Australia is not some back water country, I'm sure their standards of food are every bit as high as ours.

What relevance is whether it is a backwater country or not? The US isn’t a backwater country and indisputably has lower food standards than the UK when it comes to things like Chicken. That’s not just my opinion it’s the opinion of many prominent MPs within your own Conservative Partty and most environmental agencies.

[Stairway 2 7]

Looking at the state of the cheap chicken you see in some of the shops I'd beg to differ, there's no comparison to those pathetic underdeveloped birds on the shelves to a real chicken.

They will be skinnier than Australia and us chickens because they are not plumped up with hormones and water. If you seen the size of a chicken 40 years ago and how much bigger it is now you would be surprised. Also that chicken doesn't have a life of hell that it has in aus

[Crunchie]

What relevance is whether it is a backwater country or not? The US isn’t a backwater country and indisputably has lower food standards than the UK when it comes to things like Chicken. That’s not just my opinion it’s the opinion of many prominent MPs within your own Conservative Partty and most environmental agencies.
Are you telling me the watered pathetic chicken you see on the supermarket shelves are reared in healthy conditions? Have you seen any of the programmes showing you how they're reared? I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, they're no more chicken than you or I.

[Crunchie]

They will be skinnier than Australia and us chickens because they are not plumped up with hormones and water. If you seen the size of a chicken 40 years ago and how much bigger it is now you would be surprised. Also that chicken doesn't have a life of hell that it has in aus
I'm sorry but that is absolute rubbish.

[Stairway 2 7]

I'm sorry but that is absolute rubbish.

Which part you bampot, us and Australia allow alot more chemicals than eu/uk or the terrible animal standards that they allow. I forgot you don't deal with facts or stats just what you see. So I may as well have a conversation with a ****ing tree I feel dafter for debating with you, so good day to you sir

[Crunchie]

Which part you bampot, us and Australia allow alot more chemicals than eu/uk or the terrible animal standards that they allow. I forgot you don't deal with facts or stats just what you see. So I may as well have a conversation with a ****ing tree I feel dafter for debating with you, so good day to you sir
Bampot and sir? Nice debating skills :aok:

[CapitalGreen]

Are you telling me the watered pathetic chicken you see on the supermarket shelves are reared in healthy conditions? Have you seen any of the programmes showing you how they're reared? I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, they're no more chicken than you or I.

Nope, I’m saying the conditions they are reared in the USA and Australia are much much worse.

You don’t have to take my word for it though, here’s the view of Anthony Browne MP, Conservative Chairman of the Environment Committee.

“the reason that the chicken meat needs to be washed in chlorinated water is that its low welfare standards leads to higher rates of infection. Low welfare standards enable US chicken producers to cut costs by as much as 20 per cent, potentially enabling them to undercut producers in the UK who bear the cost of higher standards.

If allowing cheaper imports of chicken produced with lower welfare standards meant that chicken production moved from the UK to the US wholesale, then it might save shoppers money on their grocery bills, but it would be bad for animal welfare and food security. In fact, it is entirely counterproductive: we might as well never have had the higher standards in the UK but rather kept the chicken production.”
- https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2020/05/anthony-browne-we-can-and-must-strike-a-us-trade-deal-that-protects-animal-welfare.html

[Moulin Yarns]

Australia is not some back water country, I'm sure their standards of food are every bit as high as ours.

You obviously missed my explanation of the barbaric practice involved with live sheep earlier. Animal welfare is secondary to profit in sheep farming.

[Jones28]

Are you telling me the watered pathetic chicken you see on the supermarket shelves are reared in healthy conditions? Have you seen any of the programmes showing you how they're reared? I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, they're no more chicken than you or I.

Can you cite any of these numerous programmes?

Chickens in this country are reared and graded to certain standards, it's all about consumer choice.

[Crunchie]

Can you cite any of these numerous programmes?

Chickens in this country are reared and graded to certain standards, it's all about consumer choice.
Google it for yourself, I'm sure you'r capable. You can start with inside the uk's chicken farms on you tube for starters :aok:

[Jones28]

Google it for yourself, I'm sure you'r capable. You can start with inside the uk's chicken farms on you tube for starters :aok:

I'll take a look at that, though I know some chicken farmers personally and professionally and can assure you that practices here are among the best in the world.

But like I say, it's about what you as a consumer can choose to buy.

[Just Alf]

Bampot and sir? Nice debating skills :aok:

a debate requires suitable input from both sides.



as usual though, you've swerved the whole point.... the reason we don't need to chlorinate our chicken is entirely down to the methods used from initial hatching, rearing and eventual slaughter and subsequent packaging, the higher standards mean the bacteria/contaminants introduced in other countries procedures generally don't happen here.

you also cite YouTube vids, bring out the detail though.... many of these are years old and often relate to places not adhering to set standards and have been prosecuted or even put out of business.... you actually appear to be supporting these very poor methods in your argument that Aussie & US standards should be acceptable here.

[Curried]

The brexit benefit....2bn quid loss for food and drink exporters in first quarter......JMJ and the Wee Donkey!

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/18/british-food-and-drink-exports-to-eu-fall-by-2bn-in-first-quarter-of-2021

[JeMeSouviens]

Bampot and sir? Nice debating skills :aok:

Whereas dismissing something as "absolute rubbish" without addressing any of the points is practically Oxford Union. :rolleyes:

[wookie70]

Are you telling me the watered pathetic chicken you see on the supermarket shelves are reared in healthy conditions? Have you seen any of the programmes showing you how they're reared? I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, they're no more chicken than you or I.

They are reared in terrible conditions but still miles better than the US or Australia. The trade deals we sign should see our national tag of Animal Lovers removed immediately. The deals will also put a death nail into UK farmers. They probably deserve it as they are usually Tories who voted for Brexit

[Just Alf]

Whereas dismissing something as "absolute rubbish" without addressing any of the points is practically Oxford Union. :rolleyes:

:faf:

[Ozyhibby]

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