Brexit - What Now.

[ronaldo7]

https://www.businessforscotland.com/brexit-main-cause-of-deepening-food-shortages-and-impending-christmas-chaos/

As the Pingdemic wears off, what will they pin the Brexit problems on next.

Nick Allen, chief executive at the British Meat Processors Association, said the UK’s meat production workforce is down by up to 20 per cent and the sector is struggling to get many product lines out to supermarkets and restaurants.

He added: “The supply problems are coming from the underlying labour problems happening since Brexit … It’s certainly Brexit-related, but it’s also the immigration decisions our politicians are making since Brexit.

Here's another one asking for prisoners to be made available to help out. They'll be drafting in the military soon. :rolleyes:

https://t.co/WfzmyeKASF?amp=1

[Bostonhibby]

Yep, he seems fully qualified for that job right enough.

Going by his previous cricket commentaries he'll use his trips to Oz to play golf and scoop as much wine as possible. This time, at the tax payers expense.Future prime minister by the sounds of it.

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[Ozyhibby]

Maybe he was chosen for his interest in trade issues?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210823/9571dc9e71a60e524dc4da1e195a5fe6.jpg

Or his popularity in Oz?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210823/7639aa545284effcec6e939fa05c3e47.jpg


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[hibsbollah]

Beefy Botham, I thought it was a windup. A gammons wet dream of celebrity, I suppose.

[degenerated]

Maybe he was chosen for his interest in trade issues?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210823/9571dc9e71a60e524dc4da1e195a5fe6.jpg

Or his popularity in Oz?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210823/7639aa545284effcec6e939fa05c3e47.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI wonder what the farming community in David mundells constituency think of him being appointed special trade envoy to New Zealand, I wonder what his qualifications for the role are.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[Crunchie]

https://www.businessforscotland.com/brexit-main-cause-of-deepening-food-shortages-and-impending-christmas-chaos/

As the Pingdemic wears off, what will they pin the Brexit problems on next.

Nick Allen, chief executive at the British Meat Processors Association, said the UK’s meat production workforce is down by up to 20 per cent and the sector is struggling to get many product lines out to supermarkets and restaurants.

He added: “The supply problems are coming from the underlying labour problems happening since Brexit … It’s certainly Brexit-related, but it’s also the immigration decisions our politicians are making since Brexit.

Here's another one asking for prisoners to be made available to help out. They'll be drafting in the military soon. :rolleyes:

https://t.co/WfzmyeKASF?amp=1
Not sure if it's a possibility or not but can't we look to the unemployed that are in the country at the moment to step up? or is the benefit system prohibiting that?
Not an expert but thought I'd throw it out there.

[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/aug/24/mcdonalds-runs-out-of-milkshakes-due-to-supply-chain-issues?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true


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[degenerated]

Not an expert

Finally you've tweeted something I'm sure we can all agree on. :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

Not sure if it's a possibility or not but can't we look to the unemployed that are in the country at the moment to step up? or is the benefit system prohibiting that?
Not an expert but thought I'd throw it out there.

Do you mean working for their benefits, or being taken on as staff?

[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/aug/24/uk-retailers-stock-supply-shortages-covid-pingdemic?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Shops running out of clothes now.


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[Ozyhibby]

Do you mean working for their benefits, or being taken on as staff?

I suspect he means in orange jump suits and chained together.[emoji23]


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[Northernhibee]

Not sure if it's a possibility or not but can't we look to the unemployed that are in the country at the moment to step up? or is the benefit system prohibiting that?
Not an expert but thought I'd throw it out there.

Hire more people, brilliant, why didn’t they think of that.

Seeing as we’re struggling across the board maybe we could have some continent wide agreement or membership to make it easier for companies to hire people. That would be good.

[LaMotta]

Not sure if it's a possibility or not but can't we look to the unemployed that are in the country at the moment to step up? or is the benefit system prohibiting that?
Not an expert but thought I'd throw it out there.

The majority of unemployed Brits unfortunately dont have either the skillset and/or desire to do the types of jobs on offer.

You will actually get a fair number applying for some of these jobs (requirement of getting benefits) and being succesful but then companies reporting them just not turning up for their first shift. Brits just dont want these jobs.

We really have shot ourselves in the foot. Food and drink supply chain trade bodies are already talking about how they might utilise our incoming Afghan friends to fill roles.

We are on course for Pigs in Blankets shortages at xmas. I wonder if that will be the point the Gammons realise their mistake.

[tamig]

The majority of unemployed Brits unfortunately dont have either the skillset and/or desire to do the types of jobs on offer.

You will actually get a fair number applying for some of these jobs (requirement of getting benefits) and being succesful but then companies reporting them just not turning up for their first shift. Brits just dont want these jobs.

We really have shot ourselves in the foot. Food and drink supply chain trade bodies are already talking about how they might utilise our incoming Afghan friends to fill roles.

We are on course for Pigs in Blankets shortages at xmas. I wonder if that will be the point the Gammons realise their mistake.

That’s about the size of it. A common myth of Brexiteers about foreigners “stealing our jobs”. Jobs that none of them would touch with a barge pole.

[Bostonhibby]

The majority of unemployed Brits unfortunately dont have either the skillset and/or desire to do the types of jobs on offer.

You will actually get a fair number applying for some of these jobs (requirement of getting benefits) and being succesful but then companies reporting them just not turning up for their first shift. Brits just dont want these jobs.

We really have shot ourselves in the foot. Food and drink supply chain trade bodies are already talking about how they might utilise our incoming Afghan friends to fill roles.

We are on course for Pigs in Blankets shortages at xmas. I wonder if that will be the point the Gammons realise their mistake.

Good post, but gammons realising their mistake?

Ain't going to happen, ever. Someone else will be accountable, probably that Corbyn character, or the youth of today etc......

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[LaMotta]

That’s about the size of it. A common myth of Brexiteers about foreigners “stealing our jobs”. Jobs that none of them would touch with a barge pole.

:agree:

[LaMotta]

Good post, but gammons realising their mistake?

Ain't going to happen, ever. Someone else will be accountable, probably that Corbyn character, or the youth of today etc......

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:tee hee: True.

On this very subject I've been reading some stuff about Canadian psychologist Erving Goffman's theory around people who get conned. He stated in the 1950's that all targets of con artists ( in this instance of course Brexiteers) eventually come to understand that they have been defrauded, yet they almost never complain or do anything about it.

Why? Because admitting that you have been conned is so shameful that victims experience it as a kind of social death. It's too humiliating for them to admit they were conned. This might help explain the lunacy we see from Brexiteers who seem to be pretending that everything is fine and they knew what they voted for etc.

[Haymaker]

That’s about the size of it. A common myth of Brexiteers about foreigners “stealing our jobs”. Jobs that none of them would touch with a barge pole.

Reminds me of a fella I once knew who was sitting in the boozer at 1pm complaining that he was unemployed and"the foreigners" were coming over and taking jobs away, especially in the establishment we were in. They had two polish girls working behind the bar.

I asked "you're unemployed right? So why didn't you apply for the job behind the bar that was being advertised for 6 months?"

His reply was "I wouldn't work behind this bar, it's not proper work" etc etc

My reply of "Well then... That's why they got the polish girls." met with a **** storm of abuse.

****wits.

[Bostonhibby]

:tee hee: True.

On this very subject I've been reading some stuff about Canadian psychologist Erving Goffman's theory around people who get conned. He stated in the 1950's that all targets of con artists ( in this instance of course Brexiteers) eventually come to understand that they have been defrauded, yet they almost never complain or do anything about it.

Why? Because admitting that you have been conned is so shameful that victims experience it as a kind of social death. It's too humiliating for them to admit they were conned. This might help explain the lunacy we see from Brexiteers who seem to be pretending that everything is fine and they knew what they voted for etc.Interesting, I am friendly with a few down here who are beginning to react negatively to things that are arguably down to, or at least influenced by the Brexit they voted for. It's clear it isn't delivering the utopia they were led to believe it would and they tend to deflect or lash out as a result.

The common thread across those that refuse to even contemplate the possibility is that they are Tory party supporters and even before Brexit was around they never had the ability/humility to concede an argument or see the other side of a debate on some issues.

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[Lendo]

The majority of unemployed Brits unfortunately dont have either the skillset and/or desire to do the types of jobs on offer.

You will actually get a fair number applying for some of these jobs (requirement of getting benefits) and being succesful but then companies reporting them just not turning up for their first shift. Brits just dont want these jobs.

We really have shot ourselves in the foot. Food and drink supply chain trade bodies are already talking about how they might utilise our incoming Afghan friends to fill roles.

We are on course for Pigs in Blankets shortages at xmas. I wonder if that will be the point the Gammons realise their mistake.

I was the Stockroom manager in Next many moons ago. Had a nightmare with people (all British) realising that the two or three 4 hour shifts I was offering them a week would mean an end to their benefits. You would never see them again once they figured that out.

[LaMotta]

I was the Stockroom manager in Next many moons ago. Had a nightmare with people (all British) realising that the two or three 4 hour shifts I was offering them a week would mean an end to their benefits. You would never see them again once they figured that out.

Interesting. And if we struggle to get them to work in a Next stockroom, then we really have no chance of filling positions in the unsexy world of meat and fish factories etc :cb

[LaMotta]

Interesting, I am friendly with a few down here who are beginning to react negatively to things that are arguably down to, or at least influenced by the Brexit they voted for. It's clear it isn't delivering the utopia they were led to believe it would and they tend to deflect or lash out as a result.

The common thread across those that refuse to even contemplate the possibility is that they are Tory party supporters and even before Brexit was around they never had the ability/humility to concede an argument or see the other side of a debate on some issues.

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The latest retort you see online is Brexiteers laughing about the McDonalds milkshake shortages or Nandos chicken shortages. "Look at Afghanistan, why we worried about milkshakes ooo that really makes Brexit a bad idea:faf::faf::faf:" type responses.

Typical Brexiteer analysis though failing to see that these products are just the ones getting the headlines, and really it is symbolising that the supply chain is donald ducked, companies are making less money than they used to, its affecting the economy negatively and we are all going to end up worse off by paying more for goods.

[Lendo]

Interesting. And if we struggle to get them to work in a Next stockroom, then we really have no chance of filling positions in the unsexy world of meat and fish factories etc :cb

:wink:

I bloody loved that job when I was 19. Started at 12:30pm, finished at 9pm. Straight out to the Q Bar then on to Gaia or Establishment after work. Then a wee lie in the next morning.

[Bostonhibby]

The latest retort you see online is Brexiteers laughing about the McDonalds milkshake shortages or Nandos chicken shortages. "Look at Afghanistan, why we worried about milkshakes ooo that really makes Brexit a bad idea:faf::faf::faf:" type responses.

Typical Brexiteer analysis though failing to see that these products are just the ones getting the headlines, and really it is symbolising that the supply chain is donald ducked, companies are making less money than they used to, its affecting the economy negatively and we are all going to end up worse off by paying more for goods.My good friend works in the supply chain for getting vegetables to the big supermarkets and whilst there is a bit of an embargo on discussing it he says the biggest issue used to be having too much cheap produce because of how easy it was to get it out the ground, cleaned and packed, now the reverse is true.

Ironically for the Brexit idealists, one of the products that they used to get to market here easily and cheaply is currently coming in from Belgium where all the labour has gone and its cheaper to buy it processed from there.

He doesn't know any produce that has gone down in price.

Pesky foreigners, not coming over here and not taking all our jobs.

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[LaMotta]

:wink:

I bloody loved that job when I was 19. Started at 12:30pm, finished at 9pm. Straight out to the Q Bar then on to Gaia or Establishment after work. Then a wee lie in the next morning.

Sounds amazing to be fair, I loved a night out at Establishment!! Always a good chance of bumping into O'Connor or Riordan in there necking £1 watermelon bacardi breezers:greengrin

[LaMotta]

My good friend works in the supply chain for getting vegetables to the big supermarkets and whilst there is a bit of an embargo on discussing it he says the biggest issue used to be having too much cheap produce because of how easy it was to get it out the ground, cleaned and packed, now the reverse is true.

Ironically for the Brexit idealists, one of the products that they used to get to market here easily and cheaply is currently coming in from Belgium where all the labour has gone and its cheaper to buy it processed from there.

He doesn't know any produce that has gone down in price.

Pesky foreigners, not coming over here and not taking all our jobs.

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I think Christmas time will be when we really see the worst of it. Supply chain will not be able to cope and it will really hit home.

[Crunchie]

Interesting, I am friendly with a few down here who are beginning to react negatively to things that are arguably down to, or at least influenced by the Brexit they voted for. It's clear it isn't delivering the utopia they were led to believe it would and they tend to deflect or lash out as a result.

The common thread across those that refuse to even contemplate the possibility is that they are Tory party supporters and even before Brexit was around they never had the ability/humility to concede an argument or see the other side of a debate on some issues.

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Only the deluded think there would have been any kind of impact this soon, give it time and we'll see the benefits. It's a pity the EU lovers can't get behind their own country and start supporting it instead of trying to bring it down at every turn.
If we'd stood behind the democratic vote to leave as a nation and as a parliament we would have had the EU on its knees, as it was we gave up that advantage with all the infighting.
The bitterness in some of the posts on here is laughable and let me assure you me and my Brexit voting chums are still confident we'll be in a better place than the majority of EU countries in 5-10 years time, if not all.

[Moulin Yarns]

Only the deluded think there would have been any kind of impact this soon, give it time and we'll see the benefits. It's a pity the EU lovers can't get behind their own country and start supporting it instead of trying to bring it down at every turn.
If we'd stood behind the democratic vote to leave as a nation and as a parliament we would have had the EU on its knees, as it was we gave up that advantage with all the infighting.
The bitterness in some of the posts on here is laughable and let me assure you me and my Brexit voting chums are still confident we'll be in a better place than the majority of EU countries in 5-10 years time, if not all.

At least you got one word right. Deluded!!!! 🙄

[Crunchie]

At least you got one word right. Deluded!!!! 🙄
I expected no different from you, but glad you acknowledged it all the same :greengrin

[Lendo]

Only the deluded think there would have been any kind of impact this soon, give it time and we'll see the benefits. It's a pity the EU lovers can't get behind their own country and start supporting it instead of trying to bring it down at every turn.
If we'd stood behind the democratic vote to leave as a nation and as a parliament we would have had the EU on its knees, as it was we gave up that advantage with all the infighting.
The bitterness in some of the posts on here is laughable and let me assure you me and my Brexit voting chums are still confident we'll be in a better place than the majority of EU countries in 5-10 years time, if not all.

:faf::faf:

[Moulin Yarns]

Only the deluded think there would have been any kind of impact this soon, give it time and we'll see the benefits. It's a pity the EU lovers can't get behind their own country and start supporting it instead of trying to bring it down at every turn.
If we'd stood behind the democratic vote to leave as a nation and as a parliament we would have had the EU on its knees, as it was we gave up that advantage with all the infighting.
The bitterness in some of the posts on here is laughable and let me assure you me and my Brexit voting chums are still confident we'll be in a better place than the majority of EU countries in 5-10 years time, if not all.

On your final paragraph, the same is the opinion of the population which supports independence for Scotland, they are confident that Scotland will be in a better place in 5 to 10 years after Scotland can shake off the shackles of Westminster.

[Bostonhibby]

Only the deluded think there would have been any kind of impact this soon, give it time and we'll see the benefits. It's a pity the EU lovers can't get behind their own country and start supporting it instead of trying to bring it down at every turn.
If we'd stood behind the democratic vote to leave as a nation and as a parliament we would have had the EU on its knees, as it was we gave up that advantage with all the infighting.
The bitterness in some of the posts on here is laughable and let me assure you me and my Brexit voting chums are still confident we'll be in a better place than the majority of EU countries in 5-10 years time, if not all.I respect your views, as I do my friends.

I also admire the stoicism of those who think whatever their aspiration was is being delivered or will be delivered at some point in the future.

It's just that for some it's beginning to unravel, some are acknowledging that, others are deflecting it off along the lines discussed above.

I don't think getting behind my country necessarily involves responding favourably along party political lines to event as they unfold as not everything will be as politicians told us it would be.

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[Ozyhibby]

Weird how Northern Ireland hasn’t had any Nando’s close and the still have milkshakes in their McDonalds?


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[Bostonhibby]

Weird how Northern Ireland hasn’t had any Nando’s close and the still have milkshakes in their McDonalds?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkCouldn't they do the patriotic thing and send their desperate countrymen parachute drops of these American and Portuguese fast food outlets products?

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[weecounty hibby]

Only the deluded think there would have been any kind of impact this soon, give it time and we'll see the benefits. It's a pity the EU lovers can't get behind their own country and start supporting it instead of trying to bring it down at every turn.
If we'd stood behind the democratic vote to leave as a nation and as a parliament we would have had the EU on its knees, as it was we gave up that advantage with all the infighting.
The bitterness in some of the posts on here is laughable and let me assure you me and my Brexit voting chums are still confident we'll be in a better place than the majority of EU countries in 5-10 years time, if not all.
Hawd the bus!! I'm pretty sure one if the arguments you use against Scottish Independence is that it will make us poorer in the short term. And now you tell us that you are confident, not 100% certain, but confident that maybe, possibly, with a bit of luck, with fair wind we will be better of in 10 years time due to being led by the least competent, insular, right wing, xenophobic UK government ever. Hard to take that seriously

[Jack]

Only the deluded think there would have been any kind of impact this soon, give it time and we'll see the benefits. It's a pity the EU lovers can't get behind their own country and start supporting it instead of trying to bring it down at every turn.
If we'd stood behind the democratic vote to leave as a nation and as a parliament we would have had the EU on its knees, as it was we gave up that advantage with all the infighting.
The bitterness in some of the posts on here is laughable and let me assure you me and my Brexit voting chums are still confident we'll be in a better place than the majority of EU countries in 5-10 years time, if not all.

In 5-10 years time the UK will be the place on its knees, assuming we've managed to recover that much.

Can you tell us how we'll be in a better place and what that will look like?

Is there anything so far that might give us a glimmer of hope?

[LaMotta]

:tee hee: True.

On this very subject I've been reading some stuff about Canadian psychologist Erving Goffman's theory around people who get conned. He stated in the 1950's that all targets of con artists ( in this instance of course Brexiteers) eventually come to understand that they have been defrauded, yet they almost never complain or do anything about it.

Why? Because admitting that you have been conned is so shameful that victims experience it as a kind of social death. It's too humiliating for them to admit they were conned. This might help explain the lunacy we see from Brexiteers who seem to be pretending that everything is fine and they knew what they voted for etc.

As if by magic, along comes the perfect example of this:nanafunk::greengrin


Only the deluded think there would have been any kind of impact this soon, give it time and we'll see the benefits. It's a pity the EU lovers can't get behind their own country and start supporting it instead of trying to bring it down at every turn.
If we'd stood behind the democratic vote to leave as a nation and as a parliament we would have had the EU on its knees, as it was we gave up that advantage with all the infighting.
The bitterness in some of the posts on here is laughable and let me assure you me and my Brexit voting chums are still confident we'll be in a better place than the majority of EU countries in 5-10 years time, if not all.

[lapsedhibee]

The bitterness in some of the posts on here is laughable and let me assure you me and my Brexit voting chums are still confident we'll be in a better place than the majority of EU countries in 5-10 years time, if not all.

We were in a better place than the majority of EU countries 5 years ago.

[Kato]

it had the EU on its knees,

Why would that be a good thing?

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[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/great-british-steak-bake-off-greggs-facing-supply-shortage

No steak bakes at Greggs.

[Lendo]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/great-british-steak-bake-off-greggs-facing-supply-shortage

No steak bakes at Greggs.

This is the final straw. Full EU reinstatement NOW!

[ronaldo7]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/great-british-steak-bake-off-greggs-facing-supply-shortage

No steak bakes at Greggs.

The Brexiteers will be along just now telling us it'll help the unemployed with their Health problems.:rolleyes:

[Bostonhibby]

The Brexiteers will be along just now telling us it'll help the unemployed with their Health problems.:rolleyes:It's a unionist plot.

Just when Scotland is on it's knees over the great steak bake crisis Boris will come riding in on his white charger distributing pastry based products for all, claiming to have liberated them from Sturgeon who was stock piling them in her tartan lined cellar.

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[Jack]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/great-british-steak-bake-off-greggs-facing-supply-shortage

No steak bakes at Greggs.

If that had been on the Daily Mash (Facebook) I wouldn't have been surprised. Greggs loves a bit of free publicity as much as I like their sausage rolls mmmmmmmmmmm

[Mr Grieves]

https://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/1430574186515288064?s=19

Nando’s, McDonald’s.. now fish.

The fishing industry is warning of supermarket seafood shortages because of a Covid and Brexit-related staffing crisis. 🧵.. https://t.co/rmsY2qEIYT

[Hibrandenburg]

Only the deluded think there would have been any kind of impact this soon, give it time and we'll see the benefits. It's a pity the EU lovers can't get behind their own country and start supporting it instead of trying to bring it down at every turn.
If we'd stood behind the democratic vote to leave as a nation and as a parliament we would have had the EU on its knees, as it was we gave up that advantage with all the infighting.
The bitterness in some of the posts on here is laughable and let me assure you me and my Brexit voting chums are still confident we'll be in a better place than the majority of EU countries in 5-10 years time, if not all.

Not unexpected. Those who wouldn't listen to those who knew Brexit was a really bad idea, are now blaming those who knew it was a really bad idea when it starts going tits up because they didn't buy into that really bad idea. You're all ****ing mad.

[Hibrandenburg]

Why would that be a good thing?

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That's the goal for many Brexiteers, to inflict hurt on the EU, even if it means mutilating themselves. For many it's all about hate.

[Northernhibee]

Only the deluded think there would have been any kind of impact this soon, give it time and we'll see the benefits. It's a pity the EU lovers can't get behind their own country and start supporting it instead of trying to bring it down at every turn.
If we'd stood behind the democratic vote to leave as a nation and as a parliament we would have had the EU on its knees, as it was we gave up that advantage with all the infighting.
The bitterness in some of the posts on here is laughable and let me assure you me and my Brexit voting chums are still confident we'll be in a better place than the majority of EU countries in 5-10 years time, if not all.

So the fault of staffing and supply chain crisis belongs to those who warned that Brexit would lead to staffing issues and a supply chain crisis?

[Jones28]

Only the deluded think there would have been any kind of impact this soon, give it time and we'll see the benefits. It's a pity the EU lovers can't get behind their own country and start supporting it instead of trying to bring it down at every turn.
If we'd stood behind the democratic vote to leave as a nation and as a parliament we would have had the EU on its knees, as it was we gave up that advantage with all the infighting.
The bitterness in some of the posts on here is laughable and let me assure you me and my Brexit voting chums are still confident we'll be in a better place than the majority of EU countries in 5-10 years time, if not all.

I’m curious to see what “support” we should offer up? Words of encouragement? Maybe I should I quit my job and drive a truck because I support my country? Maybe we should put union jacks on our cars so we all look like Rangers fans.

Don’t ever forget that the key conspirators in this whole god awful mess are STILL in charge (in fact they’re more in charge than they were at the start) so don’t have a go at people who are standing laughing at it, have a go at them.

Can I ask you what gives you that confidence? We’re about 5 minutes in to this game and we’ve conceded a goal already, I’m curious what makes you guys think this is all fine.

[cabbageandribs1875]

That's the goal for many Brexiteers, to inflict hurt on the EU, even if it means mutilating themselves. For many it's all about hate.


i finally managed to work out how to stop headlines from the daily express appearing on my bing browser newspaper headlines, i've never managed to work out just exactly who the express hates the most...SNP or the EU........

[cabbageandribs1875]

more exciting times to come...

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/240403022_2840566162740385_4671840356082240013_n.p ng?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=fcExcG4VSukAX-jIEuj&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=f83924860f0a0e4a7f9df3f378faece4&oe=614B90F0


wonder if the flowers will get those magical blue passports as well

[Crunchie]

I’m curious to see what “support” we should offer up? Words of encouragement? Maybe I should I quit my job and drive a truck because I support my country? Maybe we should put union jacks on our cars so we all look like Rangers fans.

Don’t ever forget that the key conspirators in this whole god awful mess are STILL in charge (in fact they’re more in charge than they were at the start) so don’t have a go at people who are standing laughing at it, have a go at them.

Can I ask you what gives you that confidence? We’re about 5 minutes in to this game and we’ve conceded a goal already, I’m curious what makes you guys think this is all fine.
The support should have been given at the start and we would have got a far better deal, instead we had bully boy blackford and his motley crew along with the other dissenters (including some tory mp's) give the EU the nap hand in negotiations.
I'm not having a go at anyone laughing btw, I'm having a right old chuckle myself at the hyperbole and name calling by the anti brexit mob.
A supermarket runs out of a certain item and it's all because of brexit :faf: keep it up guys :aok:

[Kato]

Why couldn't the Anti-EU crowd get behind the UK's membership while we were in? Years of snide moaning and lying headlines.

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[Jones28]

The support should have been given at the start and we would have got a far better deal, instead we had bully boy blackford and his motley crew along with the other dissenters (including some tory mp's) give the EU the nap hand in negotiations.
I'm not having a go at anyone laughing btw, I'm having a right old chuckle myself at the hyperbole and name calling by the anti brexit mob.
A supermarket runs out of a certain item and it's all because of brexit :faf: keep it up guys :aok:

So you’re thoughts were that despite the referendum being so tight all the dissenting voices should have turned on a sixpence and got behind Brexit, even if they had a feeling it would be a bad thing for the UK? In other words, the whole parliament should have thrown its convictions out the window to support something they don’t want?

So the road haulage association and all the warnings they’ve issued about driver shortages which has a significant role in supermarkets running low or out of things…that’s not Brexit?

[Moulin Yarns]

So the road haulage association and all the warnings they’ve issued about driver shortages which has a significant role in supermarkets running low or out of things…that’s not Brexit?

I was in 2 pubs. Owned by Green King earlier this week, both with a lot of taps off because they can't get their supplies, even their own brand, and that's down to lack of drivers. Where have they gone?

[Peevemor]

So the road haulage association and all the warnings they’ve issued about driver shortages which has a significant role in supermarkets running low or out of things…that’s not Brexit?Blackford's fault apparently.

[Since90+2]

I was in 2 pubs. Owned by Green King earlier this week, both with a lot of taps off because they can't get their supplies, even their own brand, and that's down to lack of drivers. Where have they gone?

Remain voters never got behind brexit, that's why the taps are off.

[degenerated]

The support should have been given at the start and we would have got a far better deal, instead we had bully boy blackford and his motley crew along with the other dissenters (including some tory mp's) give the EU the nap hand in negotiations.
I'm not having a go at anyone laughing btw, I'm having a right old chuckle myself at the hyperbole and name calling by the anti brexit mob.
A supermarket runs out of a certain item and it's all because of brexit :faf: keep it up guys :aok:So it's Scotland's fault that Brexit is the shambles that any sane person knew it would be.

[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/1430574186515288064?s=19

Nando’s, McDonald’s.. now fish.

The fishing industry is warning of supermarket seafood shortages because of a Covid and Brexit-related staffing crisis. 🧵.. https://t.co/rmsY2qEIYT

Even Jimmy Buchan, that arch brexiteering tory, has admitted that Brexit hasn't delivered "everything". He's now just pointing out what needs to change, like freedom of movement. If only they'd listened.

[Moulin Yarns]

Several supermarket chains have warned that the shortage of products could affect Christmas. Meanwhile the NHS has temporarily stopped some blood testing for certain conditions due to shortages of collection tubes.

What shortages are you experiencing? https://t.co/ebrsKMkGln


And it's all because the majority of Scots didn't vote for it!!!


Welcome to Brexit Christmas 🎄🙄

[Just Alf]

This 5 - 10 years before we saw Brexit driven improvements?

I thought Jacob Rees-Mogg said it would be 50?

[Bostonhibby]

This 5 - 10 years before we saw Brexit driven improvements?

I thought Jacob Rees-Mogg said it would be 50?The Rees Moggs of this world will apply the Covid contracts model and fill their boots first, the 50 years is for the rest of us.

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[Just Alf]

The Rees Moggs of this world will apply the Covid contracts model and fill their boots first, the 50 years is for the rest of us.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkGood point, well made! :agree:

[StevieC]

I was in 2 pubs. Owned by Green King earlier this week, both with a lot of taps off because they can't get their supplies, even their own brand, and that's down to lack of drivers. Where have they gone?

There’s a number of security system parts that I am struggling to get at the moment, and I’ve got quite a few parts on back order for delivery. Seems to be an import issue rather than a delivery issue, with a shortage of imported items and a shortage of components for items manufactured in the UK.

The biggest problem I currently have is backup batteries. I’ve been waiting for months for my usual brand and having to use poorer quality alternatives in the meantime. My usual brand has also increased in price a fair bit over the past year (£11 to almost £15 for the most popular one I use).

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430574591072669700?s=21


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[LaMotta]

The support should have been given at the start and we would have got a far better deal, instead we had bully boy blackford and his motley crew along with the other dissenters (including some tory mp's) give the EU the nap hand in negotiations.
I'm not having a go at anyone laughing btw, I'm having a right old chuckle myself at the hyperbole and name calling by the anti brexit mob.
A supermarket runs out of a certain item and it's all because of brexit :faf: keep it up guys :aok:

You are coming out with some comical stuff on this thread.

It's ok to just admit you were conned.

[DaveF]

You are coming out with some comical stuff on this thread.

It's ok to just admit you were conned.

You have to remember you are replying to someone who claimed to be a member of the SNP before his gammon like transformation. There is a reason I stuck him on ignore though sadly I still see their posts due to others replying to this fantasist.

[Moulin Yarns]

More hyperbole from the SNP following. I don't know if you lot are at the wind up but I'm in supermarkets too and I've not seen any empty shelves.

I'll refrain from posting on the subject again so you can enjoy your fantasy in peace.

This was posted a month ago, I wonder if you still have the blinkers on or if you will admit to supermarket shortages and empty shelves that is being reported daily?

[Since90+2]

This was posted a month ago, I wonder if you still have the blinkers on or if you will admit to supermarket shortages and empty shelves that is being reported daily?

He/she also said they'd refrain from posting on this thread a month ago. Guess that's another brexit pledge that has not been kept.

[DaveF]

He/she also said they'd refrain from posting on this thread a month ago. Guess that's another brexit pledge that has not been kept.

This just gives them the easy option to claim it's an SNP echo chamber and that they are being picked on. When in reality, the dude / lady is just a total slaver.

[JimBHibees]

The support should have been given at the start and we would have got a far better deal, instead we had bully boy blackford and his motley crew along with the other dissenters (including some tory mp's) give the EU the nap hand in negotiations.
I'm not having a go at anyone laughing btw, I'm having a right old chuckle myself at the hyperbole and name calling by the anti brexit mob.
A supermarket runs out of a certain item and it's all because of brexit :faf: keep it up guys :aok:

You seriously blaming the snp for brexit :faf::faf:

[Crunchie]

You seriously blaming the snp for brexit :faf::faf:
Read it again and laugh at your own inabilities :greengrin, I blame them for us not getting a stronger deal along with the others on the losing side. I was at my local Morrison and M&S today and guess what? fully stocked shelves and no one seems to have heard of these shortages elsewhere :confused:

[weecounty hibby]

Read it again and laugh at your own inabilities :greengrin, I blame them for us not getting a stronger deal along with the others on the losing side. I was at my local Morrison and M&S today and guess what? fully stocked shelves and no one seems to have heard of these shortages elsewhere :confused:
I was in my local Morrisons and every shelf was empty. See how easy it is to make up total nonsense like you just have. I shop mostly at Aldi and my local coop and there have been and continue to be gaps on shelves. People I know who shop in other stores have seen the same. Everyone I talk to is well aware of these issues and you only have to look at the news to see it is definitely happening.

[Moulin Yarns]

I was in my local Morrisons and every shelf was empty. See how easy it is to make up total nonsense like you just have. I shop mostly at Aldi and my local coop and there have been and continue to be gaps on shelves. People I know who shop in other stores have seen the same. Everyone I talk to is well aware of these issues and you only have to look at the news to see it is definitely happening.

My local Co-op has had loads of shortages, the MSM even had a photograph of the loo roll shelves about a month ago, empty!!! Tesco in Perth also has numerous things unavailable. The brexit blinkered are really in denial, or deluded!!


The photo from my local Co-op

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19467004.retailers-blame-brexit-food-shortages-sweep-across-scotlands-stores/
(https://www.thenational.scot/news/19467004.retailers-blame-brexit-food-shortages-sweep-across-scotlands-stores/)


Toilet roll and kitchen roll aisles at Pitlochry Co-op were completely empty this weekend. Water shelves were full – but instead of the usual variety, only with Co-op brand water. A staff member said: “Quite a lot of our drivers were from the EU. There were about six who used to deliver to this store – and they are all away now because of Brexit.” Nobody in the store was self-isolating.

[weecounty hibby]

My local Co-op has had loads of shortages, the MSM even had a photograph of the loo roll shelves about a month ago, empty!!! Tesco in Perth also has numerous things unavailable. The brexit blinkered are really in denial, or deluded!!
Perhaps just making **** up as has been the Brexit way since the referendum was announced actually even before that

[lapsedhibee]

Perhaps just making **** up as has been the Brexit way since the referendum was announced actually even before that

Johnson's lying about the EU in the Telegraph started about thirty years ago.

[Kato]

I blame them for us not getting a stronger deal along with the others on the losing side.

No other country ever in history has negotiated it's way out of a trade deal with a bigger bloc.

What tools could we have used for a better deal given that the more extreme factions (which includes the Govt) wouldn't suffer even the half-way house memberships which exist. What would have improved if we had all cheered that on?

[Jack]

Read it again and laugh at your own inabilities :greengrin, I blame them for us not getting a stronger deal along with the others on the losing side. I was at my local Morrison and M&S today and guess what? fully stocked shelves and no one seems to have heard of these shortages elsewhere :confused:

The only way you're seeing full shelves is if you're a shelf stacker doing the night shift!

[Peevemor]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-food-shortages-christmas-2022-b1908779.html

[Just Alf]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-food-shortages-christmas-2022-b1908779.html"Boris Johnson’s government has been urged to ease immigration rules so some EU citizens who left the UK during Brexit can return and help fill major gaps in the workforce.'

If I had left due to Brexit I'd need something major to be willing to come back to the UK

[Lendo]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-food-shortages-christmas-2022-b1908779.html

They will be trotting out the old “spirit of the blitz” bull****.

[Callum_62]

"The head of the Co-op supermarket said on Wednesday that current food shortages were the worst he had ever seen, while Iceland’s boss warned that supply disruption could see Christmas “cancelled” for some families this year.

Other food sector chiefs told The Independent they expected food supply problems to continue well into next year unless urgent action was taken to address the shortage of skilled factory workers and lorry drivers."

I'm confused. Crunchie said everything his hunky dory and no ones heard of these shortages.


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[Peevemor]

"The head of the Co-op supermarket said on Wednesday that current food shortages were the worst he had ever seen, while Iceland’s boss warned that supply disruption could see Christmas “cancelled” for some families this year.

Other food sector chiefs told The Independent they expected food supply problems to continue well into next year unless urgent action was taken to address the shortage of skilled factory workers and lorry drivers."

I'm confused. Crunchie said everything his hunky dory and no ones heard of these shortages.


Sent from my VOG-L29 using TapatalkIt's in the Independent though - obviously an SNP rag!

[Jack]

It's in the Independent though - obviously an SNP rag!

And SNP supermarkets throughout the UK.

[CropleyWasGod]

Not sure whether this should be on the Covid thread or here.

BBC News - Festivals: Drug supply issues and low tolerance add to overdose fears
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-58335996

[ronaldo7]

Read it again and laugh at your own inabilities :greengrin, I blame them for us not getting a stronger deal along with the others on the losing side. I was at my local Morrison and M&S today and guess what? fully stocked shelves and no one seems to have heard of these shortages elsewhere :confused:

You'd think the Scottish government were at the table negotiating the deal the way you've portrayed it. Instead they weren't invited to take part, and one of the establishment in the form of a tory Lord told us what we were getting.

[Peevemor]

https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/wholesalers/schools-told-to-prepare-for-food-shortages/659227.article

[Bostonhibby]

https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/wholesalers/schools-told-to-prepare-for-food-shortages/659227.articleAye, but how can they and the chief executives of the likes of Iceland and Tesco be right when someone recently once seen a supermarket with full shelves?

Get a grip man.

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[Lendo]

Aye, but how can they and the chief executives of the likes of Iceland and Tesco be right when someone recently once seen a supermarket with full shelves?

Get a grip man.

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I’m so confused about who to believe here. Do I go with all of these industry experts and the fact I can see it with my own eyes or do I believe someone called “Crunchie” on an Internet forum. Really tough to decide.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/scotfoodjames/status/1431185943936045060?s=21

Interesting thread.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/237586346_894828481138000_4821554629230806545_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=CLdv67xDQgIAX_0S0IT&tn=5m7pnQZ1SlTC4D2w&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=f0b42376bc128b51185075e7b51bb1d5&oe=61511B5A

[Crunchie]

I’m so confused about who to believe here. Do I go with all of these industry experts and the fact I can see it with my own eyes or do I believe someone called “Crunchie” on an Internet forum. Really tough to decide.
I've an idea, why not get out and see for yourself and make an informed opinion? I was at Livingston yesterday and M&S was again brimming with choice, when the shelves start to empty I'll let you know.

[Since90+2]

I've an idea, why not get out and see for yourself and make an informed opinion? I was at Livingston yesterday and M&S was again brimming with choice, when the shelves start to empty I'll let you know.

Stop digging. You've made a complete fool of yourself already better just to call it quits now.

[Northernhibee]

I've an idea, why not get out and see for yourself and make an informed opinion? I was at Livingston yesterday and M&S was again brimming with choice, when the shelves start to empty I'll let you know.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

[CropleyWasGod]

I've an idea, why not get out and see for yourself and make an informed opinion? I was at Livingston yesterday and M&S was again brimming with choice, when the shelves start to empty I'll let you know.

He said "the fact I can see it with my own eyes" 😋

[Just Alf]

I've an idea, why not get out and see for yourself and make an informed opinion? I was at Livingston yesterday and M&S was again brimming with choice, when the shelves start to empty I'll let you know.I'm assuming you didn't hit the food aisles?

My wife was also there yesterday (morning) and couldn't get the chicken and layered salad we often have on a Friday night.

[Ozyhibby]

I can confirm that Tesco at Corstorphine is very low on stock and frequently does not have the products I’m looking for.
This is going to be a big hit on the economy. Although it might be good for my waistline.


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[Just Alf]

I can confirm that Tesco at Corstorphine is very low on stock and frequently does not have the products I’m looking for.
This is going to be a big hit on the economy. Although it might be good for my waistline.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNot mine, my breaded chicken and salad turned into an Indian takeaway :faf:

[Moulin Yarns]

I've an idea, why not get out and see for yourself and make an informed opinion? I was at Livingston yesterday and M&S was again brimming with choice, when the shelves start to empty I'll let you know.

How do you explain the lack of crisps and nuts in the co-op today?

[Peevemor]

How do you explain the lack of crisps and nuts in the co-op today?... and the shortage of absolutely nothing in French supermarkets?

[cabbageandribs1875]

I'm assuming you didn't hit the food aisles?

My wife was also there yesterday (morning) and couldn't get the chicken and layered salad we often have on a Friday night.



quite a few empty shelves when i was there yesterday as well.........bizzare :confused:

[cabbageandribs1875]

plenty stock here, i noticed last night at Tesco all the tins were placed along the front of the shelves...with huge empty spaces at the back :hilarious definitely fooled me, my local has had one supply of the perthshire water i like in the last 5 weeks, only a very small amount of highland spring, with a few rolls full of ashbeck english mineral water ......which no one is buying :0

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/224230175_10159914944488311_8379624986740837295_n. jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=kv5C2LWIs7IAX8JQ1h7&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=3d3596360eb6e6706457ea2733dd78a1&oe=614F6070

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210828/2b2cb071db9a2b53150493d53a3d133a.jpg

Subway and Crunchie disagree.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210828/9cf2b0827251c3e40a31ad2f3c628280.jpg


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[Bostonhibby]

plenty stock here, i noticed last night at Tesco all the tins were placed along the front of the shelves...with huge empty spaces at the back :hilarious definitely fooled me, my local has had one supply of the perthshire water i like in the last 5 weeks, only a very small amount of highland spring, with a few rolls full of ashbeck english mineral water ......which no one is buying :0

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/224230175_10159914944488311_8379624986740837295_n. jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=kv5C2LWIs7IAX8JQ1h7&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=3d3596360eb6e6706457ea2733dd78a1&oe=614F6070Just back from my local Tesco, pretty similar experience.

Helluva lot of carrots, turnips and Kale filling the gaps where other vegetables used to be. To be objective I'd say about a third of all the shelves were empty but there's definitely back filling going on.



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[LaMotta]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210828/2b2cb071db9a2b53150493d53a3d133a.jpg

Subway and Crunchie disagree.


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Just think as well - this is during a quiet time of the year for the supply chain. Wait until December and pre xmas.

Then wait until January 2022 - because the UK has delayed import checks on food until then, which will cause even more disruption to the supply chain in addition to rising food prices:rolleyes:

[LaMotta]

https://twitter.com/scotfoodjames/status/1431185943936045060?s=21

Interesting thread.


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I know James W through work - there isn't a more authoritative voice on the situation.

[Mr Grieves]

BREAKING: The UK now cannot do most blood tests. No tubes. GPs are forced to ration. Read this BMA press release from last night. “At a very perilous point”… https://t.co/rOAvmeHGrA

https://twitter.com/globalhlthtwit/status/1431829158179622912?s=19

[Peevemor]

BREAKING: The UK now cannot do most blood tests. No tubes. GPs are forced to ration. Read this BMA press release from last night. “At a very perilous point”… https://t.co/rOAvmeHGrA

https://twitter.com/globalhlthtwit/status/1431829158179622912?s=19They should put this expert in charge.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210829/dc0e094b98df9d32ea3afaed2e77f1a5.jpg

[Bostonhibby]

They should put this expert in charge.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210829/dc0e094b98df9d32ea3afaed2e77f1a5.jpgMaybe she could do the necessary blood tests with carrots exported from the UK?

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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210829/16d3c035233ec9f7885d74d9876573f2.jpg

It’s not April fools day, is it? [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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[Peevemor]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210829/16d3c035233ec9f7885d74d9876573f2.jpg

It’s not April fools day, is it? [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat's astonishing!

[hibsbollah]

Express poll today, is the food shortage (which doesn’t exist according to some on here, even when the Express admits it) due to A) Brexit or B) ‘the shops’


:faf:

[Bostonhibby]

Express poll today, is the food shortage (which doesn’t exist according to some on here, even when the Express admits it) due to A) Brexit or B) ‘the shops’


:faf:What, no Jeremy Corbyn or Meghan Markle option?

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[Crunchie]

Express poll today, is the food shortage (which doesn’t exist according to some on here, even when the Express admits it) due to A) Brexit or B) ‘the shops’


:faf:
Or C) Covid and staff shortages. I must be very lucky so far I've not encountered any shortages yet though I did fail to get the wife her 1 kg bag of currants and had to settle for 2 500g bags, we'll live.

[Jack]

Or C) Covid and staff shortages. I must be very lucky so far I've not encountered any shortages yet though I did fail to get the wife her 1 kg bag of currants and had to settle for 2 500g bags, we'll live.

You live somewhere in the EU don't you?

They don't have supply issues and shortages!

FGS (for goodness sake 😆) the BBC are even reporting drug supply chains at festivals have been affected!

[Crunchie]

You live somewhere in the EU don't you?

They don't have supply issues and shortages!

FGS (for goodness sake 😆) the BBC are even reporting drug supply chains at festivals have been affected!
I'll repeat for the last time I've not encountered any shortages, but then again I'm not daft enough to buy bottled water and whatever else the anti Brexiteers can't seem to buy. I spoke to a few mates at the pub last night and guess what? And there was no shortage of anything in the bar either, it must just be where I live that we're lucky.

[Moulin Yarns]

Or C) Covid and staff shortages. I must be very lucky so far I've not encountered any shortages yet though I did fail to get the wife her 1 kg bag of currants and had to settle for 2 500g bags, we'll live.

Aye, but you got the 2 bags in different shops 10 miles apart, and couldn't find the self raising flour, demerara sugar, butter or eggs. All that means is that you can’t have your cake and eat it!! 😉

[Crunchie]

Aye, but you got the 2 bags in different shops 10 miles apart, and couldn't find the self raising flour, demerara sugar, butter or eggs. All that means is that you can’t have your cake and eat it!! 😉
That's the sort of yarn I'm hearing but not encountering :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

That's the sort of yarn I'm hearing but not encountering :greengrin

Maybe you need to get out more 😉

[Bostonhibby]

Aye, but you got the 2 bags in different shops 10 miles apart, and couldn't find the self raising flour, demerara sugar, butter or eggs. All that means is that you can’t have your cake and eat it!! [emoji6]You've obviously not tried carrot cake.
See above.

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[hibsbollah]

You've obviously not tried carrot cake.
See above.

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Turnip cake.

[Crunchie]

Maybe you need to get out more 😉
OK, just for you I'm going to drive around Scotland's cities and towns for a week and see if I can encounter any of these shortages. I've just told the wife and unsurprisingly she's all for it :aok: I'll let you know how I got on.

[Bostonhibby]

Turnip cake.A realistic Xmas option around here, if they can get them out the ground[emoji16]

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[Moulin Yarns]

You've obviously not tried carrot cake.
See above.

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I had a glut of beetroot so made beetroot cake, rather tasty

[Moulin Yarns]

OK, just for you I'm going to drive around Scotland's cities and towns for a week and see if I can encounter any of these shortages. I've just told the wife and unsurprisingly she's all for it :aok: I'll let you know how I got on.

👍😂😂

[LaMotta]

Or C) Covid and staff shortages. I must be very lucky so far I've not encountered any shortages yet though I did fail to get the wife her 1 kg bag of currants and had to settle for 2 500g bags, we'll live.

That's the best argument any Brexiteer has for the virtues of Brexit - that it isn't really affecting them that much. Never any actual positives though:dizzy:

[neil7908]

That's the best argument any Brexiteer has for the virtues of Brexit - that it isn't really affecting them that much. Never any actual positives though:dizzy:

Don't worry, the positives will come. They can't tell you when, or exactly what they will be. But they're coming. And if they don't? Well, can always blame the nasty old EU, or 'remoaners' who just didn't believe hard enough. Was it not Rees Mogg that said it might be a few decades before we see a benefit?

[Jack]

Don't worry, the positives will come. They can't tell you when, or exactly what they will be. But they're coming. And if they don't? Well, can always blame the nasty old EU, or 'remoaners' who just didn't believe hard enough. Was it not Rees Mogg that said it might be a few decades before we see a benefit?

Maybe Uri Geller could be taken on by the torys as a special believer envoy. We could then all join hands under his guidance at 8 pm and believe our way to a better Brexit?

[CropleyWasGod]

Maybe Uri Geller could be taken on by the torys as a special believer envoy. We could then all join hands under his guidance at 8 pm and believe our way to a better Brexit?

There's enough bent spoons in the Cabinet as it is.

[Hibrandenburg]

There's enough bent spoons in the Cabinet as it is.

A few very long ones too.

[Kato]

Don't worry, the positives will come. They can't tell you when, or exactly what they will be. But they're coming.

Like with the fish thing at the start of the year the benefits were pointed out. See, in that picture above those are British Carrots filling all those shelves. We should all be happier for that. Sit back, put the lack of other veg aside and be grateful for the good old British vegetable.



And if they don't? Well, can always blame the nasty old EU, or 'remoaners' who just didn't believe hard enough. Was it not Rees Mogg that said it might be a few decades before we see a benefit?

50 years. Some are saying give it another year, by which time two further layers of restrictions on trade will come in to law, then the benefits - whatever they are - will show up. More British stuff probably, which we should get behind.

[Hibrandenburg]

OK, just for you I'm going to drive around Scotland's cities and towns for a week and see if I can encounter any of these shortages. I've just told the wife and unsurprisingly she's all for it :aok: I'll let you know how I got on.

You'll be pleased to hear that there are reports of shortages in the EU too caused by Brexit, apparently the popcorn shelves are nearly empty.

[Moulin Yarns]

You'll be pleased to hear that there are reports of shortages in the EU too caused by Brexit, apparently the popcorn shelves are nearly empty.

Plenty of tripe, presumably. 😉

[Killiehibbie]

OK, just for you I'm going to drive around Scotland's cities and towns for a week and see if I can encounter any of these shortages. I've just told the wife and unsurprisingly she's all for it :aok: I'll let you know how I got on.

I was in Irvine Asda, Tesco, Marks & Spencer's and The Food Warehouse today and they all had lots more empty shelves compared to a few Sundays ago.

[Ozyhibby]

I was in Irvine Asda, Tesco, Marks & Spencer's and The Food Warehouse today and they all had lots more empty shelves compared to a few Sundays ago.

Not even the most die hard brexiteers are denying we are experiencing shortages, and not just in food. Crunchie is clearly just trolling by trying to deny their existence. Best ignored.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210829/c80dcee1ec923238f33913134ebebcb3.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210829/1e30d13ba6effd3f5e0fc065550c71cd.jpg

Blood tests having to be cancelled now.


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[Hibrandenburg]

Plenty of tripe, presumably. 😉

Breakfast, dinner and tea.

[The Modfather]

Breakfast, dinner and tea.

Are dinner and tea not the same thing? 🤔

[Hibrandenburg]

Are dinner and tea not the same thing? 🤔

Not where I grew up, we never went back to school in the evening to get school dinners.

[Bostonhibby]

Are dinner and tea not the same thing? [emoji848]Nope, carrots for dinner and turnips for tea[emoji6]
Available in supermarkets everywhere.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Nope, carrots for dinner and turnips for tea[emoji6]
Available in supermarkets everywhere.

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When is the best time to eat kale, that's all that will be available in the winter 🤔😉

[neil7908]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210829/c80dcee1ec923238f33913134ebebcb3.jpg
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Blood tests having to be cancelled now.


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Just remoaner propaganda from the lefty, anti British Doctors union. Plus we've had enough of experts and doomsters.

[Bostonhibby]

When is the best time to eat kale, that's all that will be available in the winter [emoji848][emoji6]Dunno, maybe best to start stockpiling it now. Also makes a very good toilet paper substitute. So I'm told anyway.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/demeryuk/status/1431217169623404545?s=21


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[Glory Lurker]

https://twitter.com/demeryuk/status/1431217169623404545?s=21


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The "British Kingdom"? They've forgotten who we are already? Get you, Napoleon.

[Peevemor]

The "British Kingdom"? They've forgotten who we are already? Get you, Napoleon."Rayon" in this case means range/section or shelves.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Are dinner and tea not the same thing? 🤔

Maybe things have changed but as a laddie growing up in Leith in the 60's it was breakfast, dinner and tea and that's stayed with me. The use of "supper" for "tea" is a pet hate 😡

[Killiehibbie]

Are dinner and tea not the same thing? 🤔

That's the southern English version of dinner.

[Jones28]

https://twitter.com/demeryuk/status/1431217169623404545?s=21


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Le oot eh stock

[wookie70]

Le oot eh stock
Not quite, Worcester Sauce for Breakfast, Lunch and Tea mmm Brexit

[Peevemor]

Not quite, Worcester Sauce for Breakfast, Lunch and Tea mmm BrexitI have an almost full bottle in the cupboard, so no bloody mary shortages here for the time being.

[Moulin Yarns]

I have an almost full bottle in the cupboard, so no bloody mary shortages here for the time being.

That's good to know, I personally don't know many marys, but those I do know don't deserve that adjective 😉

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.sky.com/story/wetherspoons-apologises-as-it-faces-beer-supply-problems-12396574

Wetherspoons experiencing beer shortages.


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[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.sky.com/story/wetherspoons-apologises-as-it-faces-beer-supply-problems-12396574

Wetherspoons experiencing beer shortages.


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Yay 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/bins-wont-collected-manchester-due-21404779.amp?__twitter_impression=true


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[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/world/uk-coca-cola-bottler-dealing-with-aluminium-can-shortage?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Running out of Cola cans now as well.


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[neil7908]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/02/brexit-uk-food-drink-exports-eu-disastrous-decline

£2bn lost in sales in the first half of the 2021 alone.

[Bostonhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/02/brexit-uk-food-drink-exports-eu-disastrous-decline

£2bn lost in sales in the first half of the 2021 alone.On the plus side we do seem to have rather a lot of carrots.

I'd get liz Truss to do a talk on carrots to put everyone's mind at rest.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58425516.amp


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[Kato]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58425516.amp


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAre you posting this BBC thing to illustrate the lack of the "B" word throughout the article?

No mention either of the two extra tiers of Brexit restrictions yet to be introduced which will hit these industries even harder.

Part of the plan I suppose. Keep people in the dark then when things get worse it'll be, "Look, the EU is punishing us!", (by sticking to a deal we just signed.)

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[wookie70]

https://news.sky.com/story/wetherspoons-apologises-as-it-faces-beer-supply-problems-12396574

Wetherspoons experiencing beer shortages.


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I'd rather they had stocked the cellars full and were experiencing customer shortages.

[Ozyhibby]

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/halloween-under-threat-after-cold-dull-august-and-hgv-shortages-hit-pumpkin-supplies-1182766

The return of the turnip. Almost eclipses the return of Blue passports.


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[Bostonhibby]

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/halloween-under-threat-after-cold-dull-august-and-hgv-shortages-hit-pumpkin-supplies-1182766

The return of the turnip. Almost eclipses the return of Blue passports.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkJust in time to replace all those carrots that are filling the supermarket shelves in some areas, but obviously not others.

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[Ozyhibby]

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[He's here!]

I see Waitrose are offering £53,780 a year to LGV drivers. Pretty tidy salary, although it seems to me lorry drivers should be well paid anyway. It's a pretty punishing job and must require phenomenal levels of sustained concentration, with any lapse likely to be catastrophic.

I note also that Waitrose are saying that it's too simplistic to blame Brexit for supply chain issues (ie shortfall in lorry drivers/gaps in shelves). Apparently 14,000 EU drivers have left the UK, but the biggest problem has been Covid which caused nearly 50,000 HGV tests to be cancelled last year.

[lapsedhibee]

Apparently 14,000 EU drivers have left the UK, but the biggest problem has been Covid which caused nearly 50,000 HGV tests to be cancelled last year.

That'll be why there's supply chain issues all over The Continent then, as they had Covid over there too.

[ronaldo7]

I see Waitrose are offering £53,780 a year to LGV drivers. Pretty tidy salary, although it seems to me lorry drivers should be well paid anyway. It's a pretty punishing job and must require phenomenal levels of sustained concentration, with any lapse likely to be catastrophic.

I note also that Waitrose are saying that it's too simplistic to blame Brexit for supply chain issues (ie shortfall in lorry drivers/gaps in shelves). Apparently 14,000 EU drivers have left the UK, but the biggest problem has been Covid which caused nearly 50,000 HGV tests to be cancelled last year.

Brexit has had a major impact on how the supply chain in many companies is now failing, saying it's somehow only covid issues is disingenuous. We've had many issues to deal with recently, but to brush the Tory/Labour Brexit under the Covid carpet was to be expected.

Ikea, Weatherspoon, Iceland, Greggs, Co-op, and many more having difficulties, but further afield we've also had,

Brexit-related changes to border customs and inspections,
administrative errors due to businesses and suppliers adjust to new UK-EU legislation.
pandemic-related safety measures slowed down operations and systems,
mismatch between global lockdowns creating staffing shortages and ships being stuck in ports,
surge in consumer demand during global lockdowns, and shipping container shortages.

The only thing which will happen here, is that the consumer (us) will pay much more for the goods now than we did last year, and not just inflationary cost rises. We'll also have a more limited choice of goods.

[hibsbollah]

I note also that Waitrose are saying that it's too simplistic to blame Brexit for supply chain issues (ie shortfall in lorry drivers/gaps on shelves

Have you got a source for these comments? I heard their boss say almost just the opposite.

You don’t break up a multinational system of easy access to goods and services and expect there to be no impact on the access to those goods and services.

[He's here!]

Have you got a source for these comments? I heard their boss say almost just the opposite.

You don’t break up a multinational system of easy access to goods and services and expect there to be no impact on the access to those goods and services.

It's in the news round-up pages of the business supplement which comes with The Week. I've only got the hard copy and can't find an online version, but re-reading it just now I see the quote is actually from James Clifford, who is head of HGVtraining.co.uk and is praising Waitrose, Tesco, Iceland and M&S for recognising the value of lorry drivers and offering better salary incentives. I'm not going to type out his entire quotes but he basically says the difficulty in topping up driver numbers post-Brexit has been exacerbated by Covid.

Is anyone suggesting that things like this would be seamless in the wake of Brexit?

[He's here!]

That'll be why there's supply chain issues all over The Continent then, as they had Covid over there too.

Do we know that there aren't such issues due to Covid across the continent?

[lapsedhibee]

I'm not going to type out his entire quotes but he basically says the difficulty in topping up driver numbers post-Brexit has been exacerbated by Covid.

So nothing like what you suggested in your previous post.

[lapsedhibee]

Do we know that there aren't such issues due to Covid across the continent?

Peevemor, Je Me Souviens and Hibrandenburg will be posting shots of supermarket shelves full of carrots any minute now.

[Killiehibbie]

Do we know that there aren't such issues due to Covid across the continent?

No empty shelves in the couple of Spanish supermarkets I've been in.

[StevieC]

Do we know that there aren't such issues due to Covid across the continent?

There are driver shortages across Europe, caused by a number of issues such as Covid, drivers leaving the industry, recruitment problems, etc. but it doesn’t seem to have had an effect on the “supply chain”.
The reason why it’s having an effect here is that the shortage is at least 3 times worse than other European countries. The only thing I can think of that would make the UK problems so much worse is Brexit, but I’m no expert so it’s possible that there are other issues in play.

Let’s not forget though, that drivers are only part of the supply chain. Warehouse staff, logistics, etc. are also involved in the supply chain and the loss of EU workers in this area is possibly what has added to the UK problem that has resulted in the issues being evident on the shelves (and it not being a visible issue in Europe).

[Mr Grieves]

Do we know that there aren't such issues due to Covid across the continent?

Here's two examples showing Northern Ireland is not being affected by the shortages experienced in Britain, despite having one of the highest covid rates in the UK.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/nandos-statement-ni-restaurants-uk-21339800.amp

In a statement released on Tuesday, the company said: "The UK supply chain is having a bit of a ‘mare right now. This is having a knock-on effect with some of our restaurants across England, Scotland and Wales. We are doing everything we can to get the PERi-PERi back where it belongs – on your plates!"

The restaurant group had to shut around 50 outlets temporarily.

Nando's has since confirmed that stores across NI and the Republic of Ireland are not affected and will remain open.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/no-shortage-of-milkshakes-in-northern-ireland-mcdonalds-as-britain-suffers-drought-40792255.html

No shortage of milkshakes in Northern Ireland McDonald’s as Britain suffers drought


I'm guessing it's because NI is still effectively in the the single market for goods and can trade freely with Ireland and the EU. But I'm interested in reading your suggestions how it's all covid related but it's not affecting NI?

[Mr Grieves]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58442611.amp

Flu jab delays in England and Wales due to driver shortages.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-shop-prices-driver-shortage-b1912246.html%3famp

Food price rises ‘likely’ amid Brexit red tape and driver shortages, warn economists


How far does this go before the UK government are held accountable?

[Andy Bee]

I see Waitrose are offering £53,780 a year to LGV drivers. Pretty tidy salary, although it seems to me lorry drivers should be well paid anyway. It's a pretty punishing job and must require phenomenal levels of sustained concentration, with any lapse likely to be catastrophic.

I note also that Waitrose are saying that it's too simplistic to blame Brexit for supply chain issues (ie shortfall in lorry drivers/gaps in shelves). Apparently 14,000 EU drivers have left the UK, but the biggest problem has been Covid which caused nearly 50,000 HGV tests to be cancelled last year.


I'm seeing more and more of these hyperbolic figures, it's interesting that none show the actual hourly rate. In reality most of these figures will involve working a ludicrous amount of unsociable hours and overnight money for staying in the truck included. Personally I think it's a concerted effort by the media to paint lorry drivers in a bad light.

Brexit has obviously caused some of this but the shortage is Europe wide, it's mainly down to young drivers not entering the trade for what is proven to be an unhealthy job.

The main factor contributing to this is obviously money but the conditions are also a huge decider. When you pass a truck parked up for their rest in one of the UKs pathetic little laybys you'll notice the cab is usually angled towards the pavement, the driver will sleep with his feet towards the road simply because if someone hits the truck he's a better chance of survival, it's little things like that, the lack of toilet and washing facilities especially if you want more women drivers and most importantly the work/life balance is heavily skewed towards the work. I'm noticing more and more companies now reducing the working time rather than chucking stupid signing on bonuses that do nothing but upset the decent drivers they already have. The trade needs far more work put into it including at Government level to make the job attractive, money might be a short term fix but the infrastructure needs seriously addressing.

[Kato]

I note also that Waitrose are saying that it's too simplistic to blame Brexit for supply chain issues

This bit spins like a top.

[He's here!]

So nothing like what you suggested in your previous post.

No, pretty much exactly what I said, just that the quote was attributed to somebody different (somebody who I'd guess is probably well placed to make the assertion).

The shoot 'em down approach which seems to prevail on here if you pop your head above the parapet and even hint that not everything is Boris's fault or that Saint Nicola may not always walk on water is a bit wearying.

[Just Alf]

No, pretty much exactly what I said, just that the quote was attributed to somebody different (somebody who I'd guess is probably well placed to make the assertion).

The shoot 'em down approach which seems to prevail on here if you pop your head above the parapet and even hint that not everything is Boris's fault or that Saint Nicola may not always walk on water is a bit wearying.You basically said... to save you typing the whole thing out that... that the driver losses due to brexit couldn't be easily replaced because of covid.


Bottom line, no brexit = no driver losses = us the same as everyone else simply trying to replace those retiring etc... so bottom line brexit has put us in a worse starting position compared to everyone else and the evidence can be seen on our (and their) supermarket shelves.

[lapsedhibee]

No, pretty much exactly what I said, just that the quote was attributed to somebody different (somebody who I'd guess is probably well placed to make the assertion).

The shoot 'em down approach which seems to prevail on here if you pop your head above the parapet and even hint that not everything is Boris's fault or that Saint Nicola may not always walk on water is a bit wearying.

First post: the biggest problem is Covid, not Brexit.
Second post: the biggest problem is Brexit, and Covid makes it harder to deal with.
See any difference there?

[Hibrandenburg]

Do we know that there aren't such issues due to Covid across the continent?

I do and there isn't, with the exception of British imports but that's only a tiny percentage of imported goods.

[Ozyhibby]

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[LaMotta]

There are driver shortages across Europe, caused by a number of issues such as Covid, drivers leaving the industry, recruitment problems, etc. but it doesn’t seem to have had an effect on the “supply chain”.
The reason why it’s having an effect here is that the shortage is at least 3 times worse than other European countries. The only thing I can think of that would make the UK problems so much worse is Brexit, but I’m no expert so it’s possible that there are other issues in play.

Let’s not forget though, that drivers are only part of the supply chain. Warehouse staff, logistics, etc. are also involved in the supply chain and the loss of EU workers in this area is possibly what has added to the UK problem that has resulted in the issues being evident on the shelves (and it not being a visible issue in Europe).

Nail on head.:agree::agree:

[LaMotta]

No, pretty much exactly what I said, just that the quote was attributed to somebody different (somebody who I'd guess is probably well placed to make the assertion).

The shoot 'em down approach which seems to prevail on here if you pop your head above the parapet and even hint that not everything is Boris's fault or that Saint Nicola may not always walk on water is a bit wearying.

You are not getting shot down for putting your head above the parapet, you are being shot down because like all Brexiteeers you dont have a coherent, logical argument in you.

[ronaldo7]

You are not getting shot down for putting your head above the parapet, you are being shot down because like all Brexiteeers you dont have a coherent, logical argument in you.

Hallelujah.✅

[Hibrandenburg]

Has anyone come up with a tangible benefit from Brexit?

[Jack]

Has anyone come up with a tangible benefit from Brexit?

Wetherspoons is struggling.

[Ozyhibby]

Has anyone come up with a tangible benefit from Brexit?

If your a lorry driver, your wages are likely to be going up.


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[Bostonhibby]

Has anyone come up with a tangible benefit from Brexit?Tim Martin's heid might explode before his investors see what's happening to their money?

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[Andy Bee]

If your a lorry driver, your wages are likely to be going up.


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Along with hospitality workers (GIRFUY Tim Martin) and hopefully and more importantly careworkers.

[Hibrandenburg]

If your a lorry driver, your wages are likely to be going up.


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I wonder who will end up paying for that?

[Bostonhibby]

I wonder who will end up paying for that?I'm thinking Bozo might just add it to the £350m a week we were getting out of brexit for the NHS, remember that?

Might even get an appropriate slogan on the side of a lorry.

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[LaMotta]

I wonder who will end up paying for that?

:agree:

Whilst looking good for current lorry drivers, inflating wages leads to a number of complex problems. Its not just lorry drivers either. We need to pay more for new farm staff and warehouse staff and factory staff. Most of whom are far less proficient than staff who have left. If warehouse staff wages go up that also means that legally, retail staff wages have to go up to the same level.

That's a lot of pay rises to replace staff we never needed to get rid of in the first place. What does this mean? 1) British people end up paying more for goods to pay for the increases. 2) Given that Britain is the only country having to facilitate so many wage increases, and all at once, then it means British products become noncompetitive in the new markets that "Global Britain" politicians and Brexiteers want us to thrive in. So, many businesses can't sell their products and will fail, meaning redundancies and rising unemployment. The higher cost of wages in Britain will also deter foreign businesses from investing in Britain. So decreased tax revenue and increased welfare spend in Brexit Britain.

All of this to fix a problem that didn't exist before we got our sovereignty back.:dizzy:

[grunt]

:agree:

Whilst looking good for current lorry drivers, inflating wages leads to a number of complex problems. Its not just lorry drivers either. We need to pay more for new farm staff and warehouse staff and factory staff. Most of whom are far less proficient than staff who have left. If warehouse staff wages go up that also means that legally, retail staff wages have to go up to the same level.

That's a lot of pay rises to replace staff we never needed to get rid of in the first place. What does this mean? 1) British people end up paying more for goods to pay for the increases. 2) Given that Britain is the only country having to facilitate so many wage increases, and all at once, then it means British products become noncompetitive in the new markets that "Global Britain" politicians and Brexiteers want us to thrive in. So, many businesses can't sell their products and will fail, meaning redundancies and rising unemployment. The higher cost of wages in Britain will also deter foreign businesses from investing in Britain. So decreased tax revenue and increased welfare spend in Brexit Britain.

All of this to fix a problem that didn't exist before we got our sovereignty back.:dizzy:Good summary. This Brexit disaster will have significant far reaching consequences.

[LaMotta]

Good summary. This Brexit disaster will have significant far reaching consequences.

:agree: Some of these consequences might be more palatable if there was actually any kind of significant upside to Brexit or a number of positive trade offs. There aren't though which is why it is all so mad.

[Stairway 2 7]

Brexit is a disaster for a thousand reasons. People getting higher wages isn't one of them. The same is said every time the minimum wage goes up, it will just hurt the consumer ect

[LaMotta]

Brexit is a disaster for a thousand reasons. People getting higher wages isn't one of them. The same is said every time the minimum wage goes up, it will just hurt the consumer ect

If some people getting higher wages leads to more people ending up redundant, that's not great overall.

Raising wages though will only do so much to attract people to fill some of the unattractive vacant roles that are out there and that British people just don't want. There are a shortage of abattoir butchers right now for example, despite trainee butchers getting paid more than trainee accountants at one of the big four accountancy firms. So its not all about wages.

[He's here!]

You are not getting shot down for putting your head above the parapet, you are being shot down because like all Brexiteeers you dont have a coherent, logical argument in you.

Nonsense. In what way does pointing out that Brexit is not the only reason for driver shortages make me a Brexiteer? My point (minor as I initially intended it to be) is that it seems if you suggest something that deviates from the 'all our problems are the UK government's fault' line it gets jumped upon because the majority of the regular (independence supporting) posters on here want everything to be blamed on the UK government and it simply won't do to throw something rather significant like a pandemic into the mix.

I note, incidentally, that Ikea are also blaming Covid and Brexit for their supply chain problems:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58443653

[LaMotta]

Nonsense. In what way does pointing out that Brexit is not the only reason for driver shortages make me a Brexiteer? My point (minor as I initially intended it to be) is that it seems if you suggest something that deviates from the 'all our problems are the UK government's fault' line it gets jumped upon because the majority of the regular (independence supporting) posters on here want everything to be blamed on the UK government and it simply won't do to throw something rather significant like a pandemic into the mix.

I note, incidentally, that Ikea are also blaming Covid and Brexit for their supply chain problems:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58443653

No one has said that the pandemic hasn't had an impact on the shortage of drivers. That is accepted. It has caused problems round Europe. Given though that the UK is unique in suffering a full on labour shortage/supply chain crisis ( not prevalent in EU states), it's clear that the crisis has been caused by Brexit and the UK government's policies around that.

The Scottish food and drink industry are certainly pinning it on the UK government as their letter from last week to both UK and Scottish Governments proves:

https://www.fdfscotland.org.uk/fdf/news-media/press-releases/2021-press-releases/joint-letter-recruitment-crisis-in-the-food-and-drink-sector-in-scotland/

The UK government's immigration policy priortises ballet dancers over butchers and lorry drivers ffs ( we don't need ballet dancers btw).:bitchy:

[cabbageandribs1875]

Brexit damage seen by 75%, independence referendum by 46% of business leaders in IoD survey | HeraldScotland (https://www.heraldscotland.com/business_hq/19558731.brexit-damage-seen-75-independence-referendum-46-business-leaders-iod-survey/?fbclid=IwAR3a86SvHomEMZ8KLMyp8HmpZvLs_KKCUDljZ9lb pSR2rCRqL-lNySfm9p4)

THREE-quarters of business leaders believe Brexit (https://www.heraldscotland.com/brexit/) is damaging the UK economy, a poll has revealed.



the 18% that said no will be Tory Donors :agree:

[JimBHibees]

Brexit damage seen by 75%, independence referendum by 46% of business leaders in IoD survey | HeraldScotland (https://www.heraldscotland.com/business_hq/19558731.brexit-damage-seen-75-independence-referendum-46-business-leaders-iod-survey/?fbclid=IwAR3a86SvHomEMZ8KLMyp8HmpZvLs_KKCUDljZ9lb pSR2rCRqL-lNySfm9p4)

THREE-quarters of business leaders believe Brexit (https://www.heraldscotland.com/brexit/) is damaging the UK economy, a poll has revealed.



the 18% that said no will be Tory Donors :agree:

Bound to be first news item on BBC news tonight.

[Lendo]

If your a lorry driver, your wages are likely to be going up.


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and we, the consumer, can look forward to paying for that when the price of goods starts skyrocketing.

[StevieC]

and we, the consumer, can look forward to paying for that when the price of goods starts skyrocketing.

Do you not do the shopping? It’s already started.

[hibsbollah]

and we, the consumer, can look forward to paying for that when the price of goods starts skyrocketing.

Over 8% increase in supermarket food since January. Including 22% on meat and fish and 14% rise on fruit and vegetables already. Get those raised beds while you can

http://www.ukfoodexports.co.uk/news/news-uk-food-prices-show-eight-point-three-percent-increase.htm

[One Day Soon]

Over 8% increase in supermarket food since January. Including 22% on meat and fish and 14% rise on fruit and vegetables already. Get those raised beds while you can

http://www.ukfoodexports.co.uk/news/news-uk-food-prices-show-eight-point-three-percent-increase.htm


Looking at those percentage rises I'll be sowing cows, pigs and haddock into my raised beds first. Once I've finished growing the trees to get the wood to build the raised beds.

[Andy Bee]

Over 8% increase in supermarket food since January. Including 22% on meat and fish and 14% rise on fruit and vegetables already. Get those raised beds while you can

http://www.ukfoodexports.co.uk/news/news-uk-food-prices-show-eight-point-three-percent-increase.htm


That percentage rise certainly aint down to HGV drivers wage increases alone.

[Moulin Yarns]

A neighbour is from the Netherlands, and bought a gift from me for her sister. It was a small zipped bag. What used to be delivered in 3 days took 3 weeks to clear the new improved export system introduced by the UK government as a result of Brexit.

[Andy Bee]

A neighbour is from the Netherlands, and bought a gift from me for her sister. It was a small zipped bag. What used to be delivered in 3 days took 3 weeks to clear the new improved export system introduced by the UK government as a result of Brexit.


M&S have warned that some goods will not be available in the coming weeks because of that very same new improved system.

[ronaldo7]

Brex**** means Brex****.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/water-and-sewerage-company-effluent-discharges-supply-chain-failure-rps-b2/water-and-sewerage-company-effluent-discharges-supply-chain-failure-rps-b

[hibsbollah]

That percentage rise certainly aint down to HGV drivers wage increases alone.

The poorest in society disproportionately affected by Covid. The poorest disproportionately affected by tax rises on NI. The poorest disproportionately affected by increased food prices, because it’s a larger proportion of household spending. Everything is set for the poorest to get even poorer over the next year. It’s actually a Tory wet dream (unless there is actual French style civil unrest of course).

[Ozyhibby]

The poorest in society disproportionately affected by Covid. The poorest disproportionately affected by tax rises on NI. The poorest disproportionately affected by increased food prices, because it’s a larger proportion of household spending. Everything is set for the poorest to get even poorer over the next year. It’s actually a Tory wet dream (unless there is actual French style civil unrest of course).

No chance of civil unrest. They are still ahead in the polls. They are a popular govt.


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[Northernhibee]

No chance of civil unrest. They are still ahead in the polls. They are a popular govt.


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Generally speaking, England are happy with this.

Scotland needs to cut ties.

[hibsbollah]

No chance of civil unrest. They are still ahead in the polls. They are a popular govt.


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I know. It’s horrible.

[Stairway 2 7]

Generally speaking, England are happy with this.

Scotland needs to cut ties.

And a huge number of Scots just like millions don't want independence unfortunately

[Steven79]

And a huge number of Scots just like millions don't want independence unfortunatelyWhat will it take for some people?

Far too many victims voting for abusers in Scotland...

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[Just_Jimmy]

What will it take for some people?

Far too many victims voting for abusers in Scotland...

Sent from my SM-G960F using TapatalkThis will be it too. If Scotland votes No this time round it will be years before it comes around again. Its do or die for independence this time.

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[Stairway 2 7]

This will be it too. If Scotland votes No this time round it will be years before it comes around again. Its do or die for independence this time.

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Yep hope they are confident of the numbers as it will be decades if not

[Andy Bee]

No chance of civil unrest. They are still ahead in the polls. They are a popular govt.


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I know. It’s horrible.


It's not Covid that's running riot, it's some weird strain of Stockholm Syndrome

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1435363520611332100?s=19

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[ronaldo7]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58487347

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-58480823

A dairy farmer said he was told to dump his milk after a shortage of lorry drivers meant it could not be collected.

Henry Bloxham said he and other farmers were told by a haulage firm their milk could "not be picked up" on Saturday after some drivers did not turn up.

The 60-year-old, from Stafford, told the BBC the issue had become a "constant worry".

The government said the shortage was a "widespread problem".

Mr Bloxham said the firm he supplied suggested he "dump" his milk, as it was not sure it would be collected on Sunday either.

[Bostonhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58487347

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-58480823

A dairy farmer said he was told to dump his milk after a shortage of lorry drivers meant it could not be collected.

Henry Bloxham said he and other farmers were told by a haulage firm their milk could "not be picked up" on Saturday after some drivers did not turn up.

The 60-year-old, from Stafford, told the BBC the issue had become a "constant worry".

The government said the shortage was a "widespread problem".

Mr Bloxham said the firm he supplied suggested he "dump" his milk, as it was not sure it would be collected on Sunday either.Couldn't he switch production to the Brexit friendly humble British carrot?

Supermarket shelves are full of them apparently and surely they are being snapped up by the trolley load by Patriots everywhere?

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[hibsbollah]

Couldn't he switch production to the Brexit friendly humble British carrot?

Supermarket shelves are full of them apparently and surely they are being snapped up by the trolley load by Patriots everywhere?

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:agree: A new product that farmers can diversify into will always turnip.

[Bostonhibby]

:agree: A new product that farmers can diversify into will always turnip.Would Swedes be okay? Or are they foreigners? We could get Patel to interrogate them.

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[hibsbollah]

Would Swedes be okay? Or are they foreigners? We could get Patel to interrogate them.

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They carrot in hell as far as I’m concerned :grr:

[Bostonhibby]

They carrot in hell as far as I’m concerned :grr:But who's going to pick the root vegetables on which the economy depends?

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[wookie70]

The poorest in society disproportionately affected by Covid. The poorest disproportionately affected by tax rises on NI. The poorest disproportionately affected by increased food prices, because it’s a larger proportion of household spending. Everything is set for the poorest to get even poorer over the next year. It’s actually a Tory wet dream (unless there is actual French style civil unrest of course). Needs a Pig's head to finish them off. UK citizens are too scared to do a French style protest and more likely to doff their cap when the steel toecaps come in

[Moulin Yarns]

Would Swedes be okay? Or are they foreigners? We could get Patel to interrogate them.

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I'm wondering, will the Swedes understand Patel?

[Bostonhibby]

I'm wondering, will the Swedes understand Patel?The Nasty party are an inclusive party so other vegetables are available. Look at Truss and Williamson for example.[emoji6]

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[Hibrandenburg]

Needs a Pig's head to finish them off. UK citizens are too scared to do a French style protest and more likely to doff their cap when the steel toecaps come in

I'm not sure fear comes into it. It just seems like their trust in toffs with public school accents is almost childlike it it naivety and ingrained in the English psyche.

[LunasBoots]

I see Patel is stoking things up with the migrant crossings, saying she's going to change maritime law 😂, I can see this ending well 😌

[Ozyhibby]

I see Patel is stoking things up with the migrant crossings, saying she's going to change maritime law [emoji23], I can see this ending well [emoji18]

An increase in popularity for the Tories? This stuff plays well in the red wall constituencies while taxing the poor to help wealthy people protect inheritances plays well in their traditional heartlands. I can’t see anything but another Tory win south of the border at the next election. Johnson has ten years left in the job if he wants it.


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[SHODAN]

An increase in popularity for the Tories? This stuff plays well in the red wall constituencies while taxing the poor to help wealthy people protect inheritances plays well in their traditional heartlands. I can’t see anything but another Tory win south of the border at the next election. Johnson has ten years left in the job if he wants it.


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The Tories will remain in power in England until Boomers/Gen X can no longer swing an election by themselves.

[Bostonhibby]

An increase in popularity for the Tories? This stuff plays well in the red wall constituencies while taxing the poor to help wealthy people protect inheritances plays well in their traditional heartlands. I can’t see anything but another Tory win south of the border at the next election. Johnson has ten years left in the job if he wants it.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYep, absolutely transparent.

Anytime a distraction is required play the bad foreigner card there's a definite audience for it.

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[LunasBoots]

An increase in popularity for the Tories? This stuff plays well in the red wall constituencies while taxing the poor to help wealthy people protect inheritances plays well in their traditional heartlands. I can’t see anything but another Tory win south of the border at the next election. Johnson has ten years left in the job if he wants it.


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Exactly, strange country we live in, no opposition in England worth voting for, politics is very stale in this country and the whole Brexit shambles is still going on with stuff like food stocks but the media just don't report it, it's like it's not even happening

[H18 SFR]

No chance of civil unrest. They are still ahead in the polls. They are a popular govt.


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I think you might be underestimating their popularity. I don't think they are just 'popular', more like very popular.

[JeMeSouviens]

An increase in popularity for the Tories? This stuff plays well in the red wall constituencies while taxing the poor to help wealthy people protect inheritances plays well in their traditional heartlands. I can’t see anything but another Tory win south of the border at the next election. Johnson has ten years left in the job if he wants it.


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US republican playbook. Build that (sea) wall.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210910/46e083e43d9ae88d45fb9ae49d4124b5.jpg
BBC staff clearly have their orders not to mention brexit these days. Interviewer on Radio Scotland this morning refused to accept staff shortages in care homes and SNHS could be down to brexit.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/09/three-becomes-latest-mobile-firm-to-bring-back-roaming-charges?__twitter_impression=true

[Bangkok Hibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/09/three-becomes-latest-mobile-firm-to-bring-back-roaming-charges?__twitter_impression=true

Rip off Britain

[One Day Soon]

Rip off Britain


Rip off mobile network operators more like. In January they said they had no plans to reintroduce roaming charges and now nine months later they do. What has changed other than their greed?

[Jack]

I wonder why the torys never wanted to include the continuation of no roaming charges in the Brexit agreement.

I seem to recall the EU sort of asking the same question when one of the earlier companies about turned, implying the torys would have been pushing at an open door.

[Ozyhibby]

Rip off mobile network operators more like. In January they said they had no plans to reintroduce roaming charges and now nine months later they do. What has changed other than their greed?

Brexit bonus.[emoji106]


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[One Day Soon]

Brexit bonus.[emoji106]


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There's plenty of Brexit related economic and other distress that is real, this doesn't appear to be.

Brexit began in January 2020. Difficult to see how this is a consequence of that some nineteen months later. Given that the companies were all saying 'no roaming charges' just nine months ago - that's a full year after Brexit - it is hard to conclude that this has anything to do with Brexit. I mean, its not like these operators exactly have a reputation for fairness. And Three seems to be scrapping its 'Go Roam' service outside of Europe too...

[Jack]

There's plenty of Brexit related economic and other distress that is real, this doesn't appear to be.

Brexit began in January 2020. Difficult to see how this is a consequence of that some nineteen months later. Given that the companies were all saying 'no roaming charges' just nine months ago - that's a full year after Brexit - it is hard to conclude that this has anything to do with Brexit. I mean, its not like these operators exactly have a reputation for fairness. And Three seems to be scrapping its 'Go Roam' service outside of Europe too...

If there was no Brexit there'd still be no roaming charges. To suggest it's not related is absurd.

[Andy Bee]

If there was no Brexit there'd still be no roaming charges. To suggest it's not related is absurd.

I listened to a tech guy yesterday on LBC and he mentioned after Brexit there would be a very small increase for mobile networks in the UK for roaming, he said it was negligible and roaming charges didn't need to be reintroduced. The networks are being opportunistic and using Brexit as an excuse. It's worth noting, at least for Three anyway, that existing contracts which include free roaming aren't changing for the moment anyway.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Rip off mobile network operators more like. In January they said they had no plans to reintroduce roaming charges and now nine months later they do. What has changed other than their greed?

No European laws to stop them anymore so they can now happily resume being part of "rip off Britain" culture

[One Day Soon]

If there was no Brexit there'd still be no roaming charges. To suggest it's not related is absurd.

It's not except in so far as the networks are now not legally prevented from introducing these charges. There is no cost or organisational imperative for them to do so. They can introduce them so they are.

They said in January they weren't going to do so, this is just straight forward company profiteering.