Brexit - What Now.

[Jack]

At least that would make it a bit more difficult for foreigners to come over here and help themselves to our British electricity.

Something like 40% of the electricity providers in the UK are not British.

The electricity distribution is far worse and Johnny Foreigners own almost 90% of that!

[lapsedhibee]

Something like 40% of the electricity providers in the UK are not British.

The electricity distribution is far worse and Johnny Foreigners own almost 90% of that!

Providers may be foreign, but the actual electricity which comes out of the walls is British, made within our borders. The EU pretends it's European and comes out of the walls at 230 volts, but that's just one more oppressive lie from the EU. It comes out of British walls at 240 volts, a multiple of 12, proper imperial electricity. :agree:

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1534444161646092289?s=21&t=BFV11M3l6t9VSuqw05MHsg

DUP not interested in Johnson’s NI protocol legislation. And can he even get it through now?


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[grunt]

We really need a serious discussion in this country about Brexit. How much longer do we have to put up with this rubbish?

[ronaldo7]

We really need a serious discussion in this country about Brexit. How much longer do we have to put up with this rubbish?

The two biggest parties in the UK are not interested. I listened to Yvette Cooper the other day saying it's done. Both of them voted for it. The only way to get back into Europe is with Independence.

[Jones28]

We really need a serious discussion in this country about Brexit. How much longer do we have to put up with this rubbish?

Labour could not be less interested in it. They think its done, and are determined to align themselves with conservative madness to push it through.

[Smartie]

We really need a serious discussion in this country about Brexit. How much longer do we have to put up with this rubbish?

Whilst Labour and the Tories fight it out for the British Nationalist vote, I reckon there is a whopping great, increasingly disaffected rump of roughly centrist folk who were either never into Brexit in the first place or who are disillusioned by the grim reality of it, who might be very quickly and easily won over if any party really went for a change of direction.

[Ozyhibby]

Whilst Labour and the Tories fight it out for the British Nationalist vote, I reckon there is a whopping great, increasingly disaffected rump of roughly centrist folk who were either never into Brexit in the first place or who are disillusioned by the grim reality of it, who might be very quickly and easily won over if any party really went for a change of direction.

Could call it ‘Change UK’?[emoji6]


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[Smartie]

Could call it ‘Change UK’?[emoji6]


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Obviously that was a bit of an embarrassment but I think it would have more chance of succeeding once folk have had a fair bit of Brexit pain to endure rather than just the idea of it.

[Ozyhibby]

Obviously that was a bit of an embarrassment but I think it would have more chance of succeeding once folk have had a fair bit of Brexit pain to endure rather than just the idea of it.

There are rumours that Tony Blair is thinking of setting up a centrist party. Ruth Davidson possibly involved.


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[wookie70]

There are rumours that Tony Blair is thinking of setting up a centrist party. Ruth Davidson possibly involved.


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They would make a perfect political couple.

[Stairway 2 7]

There are rumours that Tony Blair is thinking of setting up a centrist party. Ruth Davidson possibly involved.


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Is that not Starmers ground

[James310]

There are rumours that Tony Blair is thinking of setting up a centrist party. Ruth Davidson possibly involved.


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Ruth Davidson said it was nonsense. And it was in The National.

[ronaldo7]

Ruth Davidson said it was nonsense. And it was in The National.

She also told us she was leaving politics to spend more time with her family, before doffing ermine robes and going to London to continue in politics.

[JeMeSouviens]

She also told us she was leaving politics to spend more time with her family, before doffing ermine robes and going to London to continue in politics.

To be fair, being a member of the HoL is hardly a full time job. The easiest £323/day you could ever pick up. :wink:

[lapsedhibee]

She also told us she was leaving politics to spend more time with her family, before doffing ermine robes and going to London to continue in politics.

:tsk tsk: If she was doffing her ermine robes she would be flashing. :shocked:

[ronaldo7]

:tsk tsk: If she was doffing her ermine robes she would be flashing. :shocked:

David Mundell told me. :wink:

[ronaldo7]

To be fair, being a member of the HoL is hardly a full time job. The easiest £323/day you could ever pick up. :wink:

I picked the easiest one. She's got about 6. That family time is paramount dontchaknow

[Ozyhibby]

Ruth Davidson said it was nonsense. And it was in The National.

Not where I read it but it could well be nonsense.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220608/58e0c7f29e141ce4d5f1d1639288cbd1.jpg


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[grunt]

Whilst Labour and the Tories fight it out for the British Nationalist vote ...

I've said this before, but instead of courting the Brexit voters there needs to be a comprehensive programme of education put in place which explains to Brexit voters why they are wrong and why Brexit will never succeed for the country as a whole.

[Moulin Yarns]

We get to keep a drawer fullof different charging cables!!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-61720276

Seriously, this government is screwing with us!



EDIT: I found an MP 3 player when I was tidying out some cupboards and it is charging on a USB-A cable!!

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/hhesterm/status/1534539072152166404?s=21&t=-n8MtDWzx2mLgs9c32v3vg


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://data.spectator.co.uk/category/recovery

Don't like the magazine but found this interesting it's a pile of data charts.

Some points.
Inflation should jump to 10% in October but then drop fast to under 2% in the two years after

Wages growth is 5.6% so we're all worse off as inflation 9%. But Wages have been a good bit above inflation the last 4 years and should be in the next few years.

House prices should go up compared to wages. average house price for first time buyers will be 6× average Wages, it was 2x in 1995.

Bank of England expected to raise interest rate to 3% this year

Massive difference in public and private sector wage growth

[Ozyhibby]

House prices should go up compared to wages. average house price for first time buyers will be 6× average Wages, it was 2x in 1995.



The implications of this will be massive imho. It will result in huge changes in voting behaviour I think. Unionists hoping that as young people get older they will move towards the union the way they traditionally move to the Tories might get a shock. The reason people move to the right is because they start to accumulate assets as they go through life. The current generation of youngsters are being denied that opportunity.
People who don’t build up a stake in society have no reason to fear change, no matter how big it might be.


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[grunt]

I think this sums up my views

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUt0JeaWQAE_xcA?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

OECD forecast for growth in developed countries in 2023

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUwsD3dXoAEVQY7?format=jpg&name=medium

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220609/5ac3c97ad26f7554813bd94c4969f1f2.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220609/c26b2008d2b3deb5eb91c3eb6b0bf543.jpg

https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1534771797517811714?s=21&t=xDeh-htOIDta9LvRFLdDlQ


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220609/c7b2809c4db1163d613a350734e4d99c.jpg

London as usual doing the best. NI now using their massive trading advantage over Scotland to good effect. Give it ten years and we will be a lot poorer than NI just like we are with Ireland.


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[Kato]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220609/5ac3c97ad26f7554813bd94c4969f1f2.jpg
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https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1534771797517811714?s=21&t=xDeh-htOIDta9LvRFLdDlQ


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-06-09/brexit-cost-the-uk-billions-in-lost-trade-and-tax-revenues-research-finds
We keep getting poorer.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://news.sky.com/story/theres-one-clear-winner-after-boris-johnsons-grim-week-and-its-not-keir-starmer-or-the-tory-rebels-12631454

Trade war on the way now. [emoji35]


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[cabbageandribs1875]

Brexit ‘largely to blame’ for £31bn loss to UK economy, study finds (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-largely-to-blame-for-31bn-loss-to-uk-economy-study-finds/ar-AAYiM1u?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6ac38275f8df45f4b6771c47f7eefb99)


Brexit (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/brexit) is “largely to blame” for billions being lost in trade and tax revenues in recent years, according to a new study by top economists.
The Centre for European Reform (CEF) said that by the end of last year, Britain’s economy was 5.2 per cent – or £31bn – smaller than it would have been without Brexit and the Covid pandemic.


ach it's only £31bn, still not as bad as the £37bn Dido Harding was gifted to spread around the Cayman island accounts/back pockets of Tory Donors and their friends

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220613/044311222d66f5bc133d474d2cdd6acd.jpg

Opposition to today’s NI bill is growing within the Tory party with this being shared among Tory mp’s. Only takes 40 to oppose and it will fail.
Opposition within NI also increasing.

https://twitter.com/bbctheview/status/1303732446106714113?s=21&t=3m9n7SY9hHY8Q1qbFzIcfg


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[Stairway 2 7]

What a ******g joke

@Channel4
‘Where is the good news in Brexit?’
Find out what benefits former Brexit Secretary
@DavidDavisMP
comes up with.
#AndrewNeilShow
https://mobile.twitter.com/Channel4/status/1536055162560724992

[superfurryhibby]

Brexit is a farce and has impacted on me and my family directly.

My 18 year old. Born in Scotland, lived half his life here. Now resident in Spain, with a Spanish passport.

He wants to live and work here and is over with me just now. Applied for the right to work via the EU settlement scheme. It's taking ages and I suspect it won't be granted.

It's been a divisive disaster for me and my family.

[ronaldo7]

Brexit is a farce and has impacted on me and my family directly.

My 18 year old. Born in Scotland, lived half his life here. Now resident in Spain, with a Spanish passport.

He wants to live and work here and is over with me just now. Applied for the right to work via the EU settlement scheme. It's taking ages and I suspect it won't be granted.

It's been a divisive disaster for me and my family.

It's been a disaster for many families, but those that facilitated it don't care. Those that vote for them don't care either.

The Im alright Jack's of UK today.

[Jack]

It's been a disaster for many families, but those that facilitated it don't care. Those that vote for them don't care either.

The Im alright Jack's of UK today.

This Jack is in the UK and becoming more angry by the day from the day I voted to remain!

Please don't tar all Jacks with the same brush 😉

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/peston/status/1536408120280420353?s=21&t=emUQffYVEh2WByl5GP6MEA

Trade with EU is about to grind to a halt.


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[Glory Lurker]

'Mon the EU

[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/peston/status/1536408120280420353?s=21&t=emUQffYVEh2WByl5GP6MEA

Trade with EU is about to grind to a halt.


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[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/nealerichmond/status/1536388809906077699?t=u5neGkN2mLn3NeSe85x4ag&s=19

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[Kato]

https://twitter.com/nealerichmond/status/1536388809906077699?t=u5neGkN2mLn3NeSe85x4ag&s=19

Sent from my VOG-L29 using TapatalkGiven most sober predictions are that this move will create "trouble" in NI the only way this makes sense is that the Tories want to a return to "the troubles".

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[Jack]

Given most sober predictions are that this move will create "trouble" in NI the only way this makes sense is that the Tories want to a return to "the troubles".

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If its not them being shot at or having their cars and houses burned out then the torys won't give a damn what the collateral damage is for them staying in power.

[Hibrandenburg]

Given most sober predictions are that this move will create "trouble" in NI the only way this makes sense is that the Tories want to a return to "the troubles".

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Imagine all those delicious headlines about death and destruction at home that they could use to be seen to be taking a hard line against and deflect from their own shenanigans.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Given most sober predictions are that this move will create "trouble" in NI the only way this makes sense is that the Tories want to a return to "the troubles".

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The government doesn't want a return to violence, but they don't seem too bothered of the consequences either. Despite the fact the Protocol has enabled NI to be one of just two regions of the UK (along with London) to grow since Brexit, and despite the fact business leaders and trade unions want it to remain, the government's priority is keeping its ERG group and the DUP happy. They are again preparing to break international law for their own political expediency.

Given the only real alternative to the Protocol is a hard border in Ireland, which will do great harm to the NI economy, but nobody claims to want, it's another exercise in self-harm, just like Brexit.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61809459

Eu taking legal action against UK.


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[Ozyhibby]

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[Stairway 2 7]

Simon Nixon
@Simon_Nixon
Extraordinary stat via #WATO: in 2008, when oil prices peaked at $144/barrel, no one in Britain paid more than 120p per litre of petrol. Today, oil price is $113 but pump prices 186p litre. Difference is collapse in sterling from $2 to $1.20. Welcome to the Brexit

Another remarkable stat from BoE: Core goods price inflation rose to 8.0% in UK in April, compared to 3.8% in euro area and 6.4% in US. What on earth could have happened to the UK to drive inflation to such uniquely ruinous levels? BoE too timid to say the word

[Moulin Yarns]

Simon Nixon
@Simon_Nixon
Extraordinary stat via #WATO: in 2008, when oil prices peaked at $144/barrel, no one in Britain paid more than 120p per litre of petrol. Today, oil price is $113 but pump prices 186p litre. Difference is collapse in sterling from $2 to $1.20. Welcome to the Brexit

Another remarkable stat from BoE: Core goods price inflation rose to 8.0% in UK in April, compared to 3.8% in euro area and 6.4% in US. What on earth could have happened to the UK to drive inflation to such uniquely ruinous levels? BoE too timid to say the word

The dollar exchange rate is great for my business, in the last week I've had 3 lots of Americans, nevada, indiana and california, all happy to buy because they see it as a bargain, mind you the californians were on a 10 day chauffeur driven tour staying in 5 star hotels 😁

[Callum_62]

Didn't see much mention of this

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/13/arron-banks-loses-libel-action-against-reporter-carole-cadwalladr-guardian-defamation-brexit-russia

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[Stairway 2 7]

Didn't see much mention of this

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/13/arron-banks-loses-libel-action-against-reporter-carole-cadwalladr-guardian-defamation-brexit-russia

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It was on a few days ago. Ruling was along the lines of although the Ted talk and tweets didn't have any evidence, they didn't cause harm to reputation. It wasn't a slapp case it was about if his reputation was damaged, as she pretty much retracted all the statmens. One strange line of defence was as thr reporters followers and readers "are likely to be persons in her own echo chamber" " they probably wouldn't have thought much of the defendant at that time anyway "

He's an absolute **** bag anyway so bonus he lost

[Stairway 2 7]

Brexit bonus. UK farmers to get hammered due to us dragging food half way across the world

111meeuwis
Farmers and food producers to lose almost £300m from Australia trade deal, MPs warn | The Independent

[hibsbollah]

Some of these little things, that are just fundamentally designed to make life better, as opposed to maximizing returns for the top 1%, we’re going to keep missing out on if we stay outside the EU.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-61720276.amp

[Bostonhibby]

Some of these little things, that are just fundamentally designed to make life better, as opposed to maximizing returns for the top 1%, we’re going to keep missing out on if we stay outside the EU.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-61720276.ampYour average brexiteer won't need a standard USB cable when hes got his stones, pounds and ounces, pocketful of groats and farthings, lager glass with a crown on it and his blue passport to travel to all those EU countries he doesn't want anything to do with[emoji6]

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[Killiehibbie]

Some of these little things, that are just fundamentally designed to make life better, as opposed to maximizing returns for the top 1%, we’re going to keep missing out on if we stay outside the EU.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-61720276.amp

Have Apple ever mentioned a good reason why this would lead to innovation being stifled?

[Stairway 2 7]

Have Apple ever mentioned a good reason why this would lead to innovation being stifled?

Not particularly. It's pretty much about handing over a monopoly on their accessories. They are also pushing the green angle. Saying billions of chargers will be thrown out

[Jack]

Some of these little things, that are just fundamentally designed to make life better, as opposed to maximizing returns for the top 1%, we’re going to keep missing out on if we stay outside the EU.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-61720276.amp

I think this can fall into the category of being affected by the EU by stealth.

In this instance the companies involved will make an EU model and the UK will get it too with no opportunity to influence.

I dare say when the gammons wake up to this they'll be pure ragin.

[Bostonhibby]

I think this can fall into the category of being affected by the EU by stealth.

In this instance the companies involved will make an EU model and the UK will get it too with no opportunity to influence.

I dare say when the gammons wake up to this they'll be pure ragin.Now we have taken back control we can easily outmanouvre them on this one by insisting that said cable are supplied in lengths of barleycorns, rods, perch or furlongs only.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

What a mess it is


https://youtu.be/thjM5XcX43s

[Hibernia&Alba]

https://youtu.be/wxq4sqokdkg

[Hibernia&Alba]

Imagine owning a business which only has customers in the EU and then voting to leave the EU. Einstein here thinks he might have made a mistake


https://youtu.be/xl_w9x-1fec

[LaMotta]

Boss of @Ryanair (https://twitter.com/Ryanair) Michael O'Leary: "This gov't couldn't run a sweet shop. We ( Ryanair) are fully staffed. But we are hide-bound and hamstrung by a gov't so desperate to show #Brexit (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Brexit?src=hashtag_click) has been a success, when it's been an abject failure, it won't allow us to bring in EU workers to do these ( vital Airport ) jobs." https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1539170022295277568

How did it get to this? How has the country let Brexit happen? Why was the Labour Party so ****in wishy washy on their stance before Brexit did happen - why did they not just state that if people voted them they'd have another referendum?

How do we get out of it or are we stuck with Brexit forever?

[Stairway 2 7]

Boss of @Ryanair (https://twitter.com/Ryanair) Michael O'Leary: "This gov't couldn't run a sweet shop. We ( Ryanair) are fully staffed. But we are hide-bound and hamstrung by a gov't so desperate to show #Brexit (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Brexit?src=hashtag_click) has been a success, when it's been an abject failure, it won't allow us to bring in EU workers to do these ( vital Airport ) jobs." https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1539170022295277568

How did it get to this? How has the country let Brexit happen? Why was the Labour Party so ****in wishy washy on their stance before Brexit did happen - why did they not just state that if people voted them they'd have another referendum?

How do we get out of it or are we stuck with Brexit forever?

Think there is airline problems worldwide after the *******s tried to fire rehire alot

Newsroom
@BNNUS
·3h
JUST IN: 14,000 domestic flights were canceled or delayed in the United States this past weekend because of staffing issues for airlines

To be honest the whole world is a disaster just now it seems, from Covid to Brexit to war in Europe to mass inflation to hearts in Europe, minging the lot

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/belgium-hit-by-protests-over-cost-living-spike-2022-06-20/

Brussels at near-standstill as cost-of-living march draws 70,000

[LaMotta]

Think there is airline problems worldwide after the *******s tried to fire rehire alot

Newsroom
@BNNUS
·3h
JUST IN: 14,000 domestic flights were canceled or delayed in the United States this past weekend because of staffing issues for airlines

To be honest the whole world is a disaster just now it seems, from Covid to Brexit to war in Europe to mass inflation to hearts in Europe, minging the lot

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/belgium-hit-by-protests-over-cost-living-spike-2022-06-20/

Brussels at near-standstill as cost-of-living march draws 70,000

Indeed mate.

Just so frustrating that Brexit is something we have inflicted on ourselves and is unnecessarily making things even worse, whilst the other scenarios are largely out of our control (not withstanding the fact that Brexit helped paved the way for the war in Ukraine).

[Stairway 2 7]

Indeed mate.

Just so frustrating that Brexit is something we have inflicted on ourselves and is unnecessarily making things even worse, whilst the other scenarios are largely out of our control (not withstanding the fact that Brexit helped paved the way for the war in Ukraine).

I read a historian musing yesterday, that in the last hundred years, has there been a worse self inflicted economical choice by a government. Not including wars, so Putin invading ect.

All he could think was Smoot-Hawley tariff (helped worsen the great depression)in the 1930s America. Brexit really was ******g madness

[LaMotta]

I read a historian musing yesterday, that in the last hundred years, has there been a worse self inflicted economical choice by a government. Not including wars, so Putin invading ect.

All he could think was Smoot-Hawley tariff (helped worsen the great depression)in the 1930s America. Brexit really was ******g madness

Just had a search for that. Unbelievable madness! Economists begging Hoover not to forge ahead with it, but him eventually bowing to pressure from his own party.

At least it only took them a couple of years to reverse it although even then some of the damage will never be repaired because buyers in other countries will have forged new relationships with customers elsewhere.

[Stairway 2 7]

Just had a search for that. Unbelievable madness! Economists begging Hoover not to forge ahead with it, but him eventually bowing to pressure from his own party.

At least it only took them a couple of years to reverse it although even then some of the damage will never be repaired because buyers in other countries will have forged new relationships with customers elsewhere.

Yep unbelievable. Was so stubborn and caused mass starvation and poverty. Its also unbelievable that respected historians put brexit above it in self mutilation stakes.

It's frightening that bravado and flags is stopping us reversing it.

Distraction is key, jubilee, wars and strikes

"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men."

— Plato (428 BC - 348 BC)

[Smartie]

Yep unbelievable. Was so stubborn and caused mass starvation and poverty. Its also unbelievable that respected historians put brexit above it in self mutilation stakes.

It's frightening that bravado and flags is stopping us reversing it.

Distraction is key, jubilee, wars and strikes

"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men."

— Plato (428 BC - 348 BC)

Unfortunately the thing stopping us reversing it is that enough people don't want to reverse it.

I'm no fan of Brexit but the fact remains, people voted democratically in favour of it. It might have been built on lies, pish on the side of buses and old fashioned bigotry but the sad fact remains - enough people of the UK were sold the vision (pup) and would not accept backing down over it.

Not going to make any sort of a defence of Brexit as much as every other sensible person I think it's an act of insanity, but sadly it has to continue to damage us all for a good bit yet.

All sorts of other distractions will be wrongly blamed for it's effects over the next few years. Putin has conveniently obliged recently, expect the sponging Jocks to come to the fore again when that one either gets old or gets shown up not to actually be having the effect many would think it would.

[hibsbollah]

Unfortunately the thing stopping us reversing it is that enough people don't want to reverse it.

I'm no fan of Brexit but the fact remains, people voted democratically in favour of it. It might have been built on lies, pish on the side of buses and old fashioned bigotry but the sad fact remains - enough people of the UK were sold the vision (pup) and would not accept backing down over it.

Not going to make any sort of a defence of Brexit as much as every other sensible person I think it's an act of insanity, but sadly it has to continue to damage us all for a good bit yet.

All sorts of other distractions will be wrongly blamed for it's effects over the next few years. Putin has conveniently obliged recently, expect the sponging Jocks to come to the fore again when that one either gets old or gets shown up not to actually be having the effect many would think it would.

It depends on how ‘pure’ you want your democracy to be. The UK is a representative democracy, so our representatives are given the power to make decisions in our best interests. Polls on the death penalty fluctuate, but it’s currently 40 For 50 against 10 undecided. Very very marginal, like so many things and could go For if certain events coincided. Are you saying that you would support a referendum and accept a Yes vote in that circumstance? In my view we’d be a far less civilized society if we just let the public let loose with direct democracy with powerful vested interests holding vital analytical data that we’ve seen influence the debate and shape the result?

[Moulin Yarns]

I first saw this 6 years ago this week.


A wee reminder

https://fb.watch/dOLiUWdctw/

[LaMotta]

Unfortunately the thing stopping us reversing it is that enough people don't want to reverse it.



Not going to make any sort of a defence of Brexit as much as every other sensible person I think it's an act of insanity, but sadly it has to continue to damage us all for a good bit yet.

All sorts of other distractions will be wrongly blamed for it's effects over the next few years. Putin has conveniently obliged recently, expect the sponging Jocks to come to the fore again when that one either gets old or gets shown up not to actually be having the effect many would think it would.

Do you think that would be the case now though? You are right a lot of people would never change their mind because its too humiliating to admit they'd been conned (emperors new clothes style).

Turnout was pretty low though last time and I never voted cause I wasnt engaged at the time, but I certainly would be this time! Surely there would be enough common sense in the country to overturn it?!

I was chatting to an English boy in the pub after the Scotland Ukraine game recently. He seemed alright initially, but we started talking about Brexit and he said, "awww yeah Brexit is great, glad I voted for it, too many foreigners especially dark skinned people.....":rolleyes:

He was bemused when I pointed out to him that Brexit will see even more dark skinned people coming into the UK. That really somes up the motivation and stupidity of your average Brexit voter.

[Stairway 2 7]

Do you think that would be the case now though? You are right a lot of people would never change their mind because its too humiliating to admit they'd been conned (emperors new clothes style).

Turnout was pretty low though last time and I never voted cause I wasnt engaged at the time, but I certainly would be this time! Surely there would be enough common sense in the country to overturn it?!

I was chatting to an English boy in the pub after the Scotland Ukraine game recently. He seemed alright initially, but we started talking about Brexit and he said, "awww yeah Brexit is great, glad I voted for it, too many foreigners especially dark skinned people.....":rolleyes:

He was bemused when I pointed out to him that Brexit will see even more dark skinned people coming into the UK. That really somes up the motivation and stupidity of your average Brexit voter.

Every poll since Sept has remain in the EU in front, if it was redone

[PeeJay]

Turnout was pretty low though last time and I never voted cause I wasnt engaged at the time, but I certainly would be this time! Surely there would be enough common sense in the country to overturn it?!

I was chatting to an English boy in the pub after the Scotland Ukraine game recently. He seemed alright initially, but we started talking about Brexit and he said, "awww yeah Brexit is great, glad I voted for it, too many foreigners especially dark skinned people.....":rolleyes:

He was bemused when I pointed out to him that Brexit will see even more dark skinned people coming into the UK. That really somes up the motivation and stupidity of your average Brexit voter.

He wasn't "stupid" enough to stay away from the polling booth though was he?

[LaMotta]

He wasn't "stupid" enough to stay away from the polling booth though was he?

:hilarious

His decision to visit the polling booth wasn't fuelled by a lack of stupidity, it was fuelled by a build up of vile racist hatred.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The government's Northern Ireland Protocol Bill is indeed illegal, says Cambridge Law professor.


https://youtu.be/c8KBASCPpSg

[Smartie]

Do you think that would be the case now though? You are right a lot of people would never change their mind because its too humiliating to admit they'd been conned (emperors new clothes style).

Turnout was pretty low though last time and I never voted cause I wasnt engaged at the time, but I certainly would be this time! Surely there would be enough common sense in the country to overturn it?!

I was chatting to an English boy in the pub after the Scotland Ukraine game recently. He seemed alright initially, but we started talking about Brexit and he said, "awww yeah Brexit is great, glad I voted for it, too many foreigners especially dark skinned people.....":rolleyes:

He was bemused when I pointed out to him that Brexit will see even more dark skinned people coming into the UK. That really somes up the motivation and stupidity of your average Brexit voter.

I'm not sure it really matters if that would be the case now (I strongly suspect it would not, and by quite a distance).

The problem is, these decisions carry weight. Or they certainly should. Leave should mean leave, not leave and if it doesn't quite work then scuttle back the way if you can convince narrowly over 50% of the electorate to scrap the thing when it (as expected) gets a bit tough over the next few years. It adds a bit of gravity to the "leave" decision and gives the other side an incentive to convince as many people to get out and vote as is possible.

Whilst I have strong opinions when it comes to Brexit and Scottish independence, I don't love neverending constitutional wrangling and I strongly believe that democratic results should be respected, consequences lived with and that any result should be accepted by the losing side, as pleasant and unpalatable as that might be.

[Stairway 2 7]

I'm not sure it really matters if that would be the case now (I strongly suspect it would not, and by quite a distance).

The problem is, these decisions carry weight. Or they certainly should. Leave should mean leave, not leave and if it doesn't quite work then scuttle back the way if you can convince narrowly over 50% of the electorate to scrap the thing when it (as expected) gets a bit tough over the next few years. It adds a bit of gravity to the "leave" decision and gives the other side an incentive to convince as many people to get out and vote as is possible.

Whilst I have strong opinions when it comes to Brexit and Scottish independence, I don't love neverending constitutional wrangling and I strongly believe that democratic results should be respected, consequences lived with and that any result should be accepted by the losing side, as pleasant and unpalatable as that might be.

That seems beyond stupid to me. If you give it a bash and it makes us much poorer and will continue to, it also means more people in the uk are in poverty, you'd be a full to not change it. I guess the consequences won't be your children starving but for others it will. There is a butterfly effect through society when gdp drops.

[LaMotta]

I'm not sure it really matters if that would be the case now (I strongly suspect it would not, and by quite a distance).

The problem is, these decisions carry weight. Or they certainly should. Leave should mean leave, not leave and if it doesn't quite work then scuttle back the way if you can convince narrowly over 50% of the electorate to scrap the thing when it (as expected) gets a bit tough over the next few years. It adds a bit of gravity to the "leave" decision and gives the other side an incentive to convince as many people to get out and vote as is possible.

Whilst I have strong opinions when it comes to Brexit and Scottish independence, I don't love neverending constitutional wrangling and I strongly believe that democratic results should be respected, consequences lived with and that any result should be accepted by the losing side, as pleasant and unpalatable as that might be.

Surely it is far more sensible to just admit that a mistake has been made and then rectify it rather than keep ploughing on with awful consequences just because a decision has been taken? This isn't just going to be tough for a few years - it will be tough for decades. The "upsides" for normal people will never come.


That seems beyond stupid to me. If you give it a bash and it makes us much poorer and will continue to, it also means more people in the uk are in poverty, you'd be a full to not change it. I guess the consequences won't be your children starving but for others it will. There is a butterfly effect through society when gdp drops.

:agree:

[Kato]

Surely it is far more sensible to just admit that a mistake has been made and then rectify it rather than keep ploughing on with awful consequences just because a decision has been taken?



That does seem sensible and rational.

Sadly at the moment we live in times where sense and rationale have become a scarcer commodity than it was, with the slack being taken up with wilful ignorance, ignorance and flag stuff.

Thatcher was rational about trade with the EU. So was Tony Benn despite his lexit tendencies.

Brexit and its accompanying cacophony is with us for a good while yet, why the **** would they want us back. The Germans and Spaniards think our press and HoC is a comedy show and can't believe the level of rhetoric.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/northern-ireland/northern-irelands-ports-handle-record-tonnage-in-12-months-to-march-2022-41780140.html

This is what being in the single market does.


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[Kato]

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/northern-ireland/northern-irelands-ports-handle-record-tonnage-in-12-months-to-march-2022-41780140.html

This is what being in the single market does.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220623/0a9df448cb6f90ebeadd192cfb4f9452.jpg
Have to laugh at Brexiteers complaining about Brexit.[emoji23]


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[Hibernia&Alba]

Today is the sixth anniversary of the Brexit referendum. Hasn't it been great.


https://youtu.be/4cKL7mEGXRo

[Jones28]

Today is the sixth anniversary of the Brexit referendum. Hasn't it been great.


https://youtu.be/4cKL7mEGXRo


The right honorable gentleman should celebrate the fact that we voted to have buckets of **** thrown at him on a daily basis, despite being promised that voting to stay in the Union was the only way to prevent having buckets of **** thrown at him.

[Kato]

It's all starting to make sense now and brexit makes perfect sense if you think of the utter carnage caused in the Dartford Tunnel by unwanted forrin signage.

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1540268003224436736?t=3LusEtYTvZk4OMLoHvU8CA&s=19

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[lapsedhibee]

It's all starting to make sense now and brexit makes perfect sense if you think of the utter carnage caused in the Dartford Tunnel by unwanted forrin signage.

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1540268003224436736?t=3LusEtYTvZk4OMLoHvU8CA&s=19


No way I'll be going through the Dartford Tunnel in future. Risk my life for unelected EU bureaucrats, absolutely not! :grr::panic:

[Kato]

No way I'll be going through the Dartford Tunnel in future. Risk my life for unelected EU bureaucrats, absolutely not! :grr::panic:They've goosed the economy, sent small businesses to the wall and are willing to make the UK and international pariah but its worth it to get rid of those pesky signs cos they in metres.

Sunlit uplands, Ahoy!

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[lapsedhibee]

They've goosed the economy, sent small businesses to the wall and are willing to make the UK and international pariah but its worth it to get rid of those pesky signs cos they in metres.

Sunlit uplands, Ahoy!


From what Mogg says (could be true) the signs aren't in metres but in imperial units converted from metres. So instead of a round number of metres your brain has to cope with an unround number of yards. Scary! :grr::panic:

[Kato]

From what Mogg says (could be true) the signs aren't in metres but in imperial units converted from metres. So instead of a round number of metres your brain has to cope with an unround number of yards. Scary! :grr::panic:Scary and outrageous that some anonymous, woke EU beaurocrat his made these signs with an obviously sinister motive. It'll be an EU army next.

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[Ozyhibby]

I’m 51 and I couldn’t tell you how long a yard is? I know what a metre is though.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

I’m 51 and I couldn’t tell you how long a yard is? I know what a metre is though.


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Tell your Mrs that four inches is twenty centimetres :wink:

[Killiehibbie]

I’m 51 and I couldn’t tell you how long a yard is? I know what a metre is though.


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3 feet, 8 of them from between goal posts and 12 from penalty spot to goal line

[lapsedhibee]

I’m 51 and I couldn’t tell you how long a yard is? .


Just think of it as a twenty-second part of a chain, which is the length of a cricket pitch. Easy.

[Stairway 2 7]

Yards are easy if you like football. If you said someone scored a 40 yarder I'd know the distance straight away, but wouldn't really know if you said scored from 30 metres. Any smaller I can work in 18 yards 12 or 6 ha

[Ozyhibby]

Yards are easy if you like football. If you said someone scored a 40 yarder I'd know the distance straight away, but wouldn't really know if you said scored from 30 metres. Any smaller I can work in 18 yards 12 or 6 ha

That’s fine until later in the night when the same person describes it as a 45 yarder before his mate starts talking about it as a 50 yarder.[emoji6]


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[lapsedhibee]

Scary and outrageous that some anonymous, woke EU beaurocrat his made these signs with an obviously sinister motive. It'll be an EU army next.


And it now transpires that the signage could have been rounded in imperial units anyway. https://twitter.com/Jim_Cornelius/status/1540269891076456448.

Strange that we would have been allowed to do this all along, when we definitely weren't allowed to put crown symbols on pub glasses and we definitely weren't allowed to choose our own passport colour.

Is there anything, anything at all, that the current government won't lie about? :dunno:

[Jack]

And it now transpires that the signage could have been rounded in imperial units anyway. https://twitter.com/Jim_Cornelius/status/1540269891076456448.

Strange that we would have been allowed to do this all along, when we definitely weren't allowed to put crown symbols on pub glasses and we definitely weren't allowed to choose our own passport colour.

Is there anything, anything at all, that the current government won't lie about? :dunno:

Whether they lie???

[Mr Grieves]

https://www.newstatesman.com/chart-of-the-day/2022/06/uk-economy-fallen-behind-eu-since-brexit

UK GDP down 4% since the Brexit vote while the EUs has grown 15%.

[Stairway 2 7]

Anti immigration sentiment matches when the papers talk about it. We now have record immigration in the uk, but anti immigration is low. They will come back to blame the immigrants when they need them

https://mobile.twitter.com/donmoyn/status/1532041219601223682


Don Moynihan
@donmoyn
There is more immigration in the UK than there was pre-Brexit but people are no longer worried about it.
What happened? Media and political framing of immigration as a problem to be solved disappeared post-Brexit, and so did public opposition

This thread provides the underlying data. It is about as clear an illustration of elite media framing resulting in bad policy choice on a false premise and then stopping once the policy goal of Brexit was achieved. They will be ready to scapegoat immigrants again when it suits.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1525766180887220224

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/thehistoryguy/status/1541325809629151233?s=21&t=CUV-VKXQpQGl9oDDWUKqIw


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[wookie70]

https://twitter.com/thehistoryguy/status/1541325809629151233?s=21&t=CUV-VKXQpQGl9oDDWUKqIw


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The headline for that section refers to different data too. I presume most editors and journalists are now employed on who their parents are and who they would vote or take orders from.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/charlotterlynch/status/1541750591822651393?s=21&t=Ybrsx_sB5-YU001azd_6Hg

Protest silenced. The UK today.


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[Hibrandenburg]

https://twitter.com/charlotterlynch/status/1541750591822651393?s=21&t=Ybrsx_sB5-YU001azd_6Hg

Protest silenced. The UK today.


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Do you still think this government isn't right wing?

[Stairway 2 7]

Do you still think this government isn't right wing?

How is that right or left. Its certainly vile and authoritarian. The stasi had their moments for example

And I don't think anyone said they aren't right they obviously are, just more populist wherever that takes them

[James310]

Women got ejected from Holyrood today because they wore t-shirts about Nicola Sturgeon. Protest silenced. Scotland today.

[CropleyWasGod]

Women got ejected from Holyrood today because they wore t-shirts about Nicola Sturgeon. Protest silenced. Scotland today.

1 woman.

A committee room, just as in Westminster, is a place of Parliamentary business. There's a big difference between what she did and protesting in a public place.

[James310]

1 woman.

A committee room, just as in Westminster, is a place of Parliamentary business. There's a big difference between what she did and protesting in a public place.

Wearing a T-shirt?

[CropleyWasGod]

Wearing a T-shirt?

A t shirt with a political message on it.

She wouldn't get away with that in the HoC, so why in Holyrood?

She knew what she was doing, she made her point, and left without much fuss.

[Since90+2]

She wouldn't get away with that in the HoC, so why in Holyrood?



Because we want Holyrood to be held to a higher standard than Westminster?

[Just Alf]

Wearing a T-shirt?She was allowed to wear the t-shirt outside.

[Just Alf]

https://twitter.com/charlotterlynch/status/1541750591822651393?s=21&t=Ybrsx_sB5-YU001azd_6Hg

Protest silenced. The UK today.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkUsing one of the new laws Boris Johnson and team recently introduced.... the sort of thing that was mentioned as a positive in the union thread.

[lapsedhibee]

Using one of the new laws Boris Johnson and team recently introduced.... the sort of thing that was mentioned as a positive in the union thread.
:agree: Protesting in loud clothing.

[JeMeSouviens]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWflLQcXoAM3qSL?format=jpg&name=medium

[degenerated]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWflLQcXoAM3qSL?format=jpg&name=mediumAt least we know now that Scottish labour have changed their position and are against rejoining the EU

https://www.thenational.scot/news/20244751.snp-say-anas-sarwars-brexit-admission-shows-no-route-back-eu-uk/

[Glory Lurker]

I cannot think what brexit will have brought that makes anybody's life better, so am curious what that 17% is enjoying that I amn't.

[Hibbyradge]

Wearing a T-shirt?

It's not against the law to wear a t-shirt. She was chucked out not arrested or prosecuted.

Her protest continues until the B.O. gets unbearable.

[Hibbyradge]

I cannot think what brexit will have brought that makes anybody's life better, so am curious what that 17% is enjoying that I amn't.

I've enjoyed the queues getting on the Eurostar because I'm not in the EU this week.

Proper people watching opportunity.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/30/uk-government-scrap-european-law-protecting-special-habitats?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1656569012


394 protected sites in Scotland under threat if they include this in their UK wide legislation.


Fortunately environment is devolved, but that won't stop them interfering.

[lapsedhibee]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/30/uk-government-scrap-european-law-protecting-special-habitats?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1656569012


394 protected sites in Scotland under threat if they include this in their UK wide legislation.


Fortunately environment is devolved, but that won't stop them interfering.

Simplifying, clarifying, getting rid of the green crap.

[wookie70]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/30/uk-government-scrap-european-law-protecting-special-habitats?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1656569012


394 protected sites in Scotland under threat if they include this in their UK wide legislation.


Fortunately environment is devolved, but that won't stop them interfering.

If he cares about the environment he will leave well alone until he brings forward a replacement with even more protections and a better way to adjudicate any activity on the sites. As is there is probably a site than one of their mates wants to build on and make a few quid and they will trash good law to allow it to happen.

[ronaldo7]

Women got ejected from Holyrood today because they wore t-shirts about Nicola Sturgeon. Protest silenced. Scotland today.

Drama queen.

[Callum_62]

Women got ejected from Holyrood today because they wore t-shirts about Nicola Sturgeon. Protest silenced. Scotland today.Wow, really stretching with a tenuous link there

Suppose anything to make Scotland look remotely as bad as other parts of the wonderful union

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[Ozyhibby]

Wow, really stretching with a tenuous link there

Suppose anything to make Scotland look remotely as bad as other parts of the wonderful union

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Some people just love doing Scotland down.


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[James310]

Some people just love doing Scotland down.


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Lol, says the guy going on about handouts. 🤣

You made your mind up yet on if the referendum is a terrible idea or a great one yet?

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220701/0fc8223ffaae882b94745bf9696597ba.jpg


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[Just Alf]

Wow, really stretching with a tenuous link there

Suppose anything to make Scotland look remotely as bad as other parts of the wonderful union

Sent from my VOG-L29 using TapatalkI couldn't work it out, surely its a good thing they were allowed in at all? They wouldn't have been at Westminster wearing shirts with slogans.

The fact they then couldn't behave was the reason they were emptied, exactly the same as it would be at Westminster, just can't see where either of the parliaments are better than the other in this case.

[Ozyhibby]

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The cost of breaking international law.[emoji35]


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[Kato]

According to this figures released today have information that we have paid the EU a payment of €10b this year as part of our agreement with them.

There is a further €30b remaining on the bill.

Out Attorney General as recently as 2020 wad claiming this bill was fictional and in fact the EU would be paying us to leave as well as "enjoying all the other benefits", whatever they are....

https://youtu.be/boj78yWYWJ8

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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/03/northern-ireland-wants-stability-tearing-up-the-brexit-agreement-will-put-peace-and-prosperity-at-risk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Joint German-Irish statement.


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[1875godsgift]

Women got ejected from Holyrood today because they wore t-shirts about Nicola Sturgeon. Protest silenced. Scotland today.

Do you write headlines for The Sun?

[Hibernia&Alba]

So, UK exports to the EU fell by 13.6% in the past twelve months. But of course, it's unrelated to Brexit, which is working like a charm. No, no, the government has identified 'remoaner' civil servants who are sabotaging Brexit, and it's their fault. :greengrin


https://youtu.be/ve3JH2IQcNY

[cabbageandribs1875]

look what it's coming to..



https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/05/15/59891813-10982919-image-m-12_1657030916144.jpg


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/05/15/59883383-10982919-Another_image_showed_a_large_pack_of_Lurpak_butter _with_a_securi-m-7_1657030511727.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/05/11/59884407-10982919-image-a-14_1657018664062.jpg

[grunt]

Heseltine on Brexit

https://twitter.com/Sam_BTT/status/1544477319330406400?s=20&t=nza9kL_lovfHttUaBYjDbQ

[grunt]

Johnson is asked at liaison committee if he's worried that Brexit will cost 4% of GDP (official forecast) but the Australia trade deal will only add 0.08% to GDP- the prime minister replies that Britain had a very successful vaccine programme

[Bostonhibby]

Johnson is asked at liaison committee if he's worried that Brexit will cost 4% of GDP (official forecast) but the Australia trade deal will only add 0.08% to GDP- the prime minister replies that Britain had a very successful vaccine programmeIf I was him I'd see if there's any countries looking for one of his many deflective visits.

There must be somewhere needing saved from something or other in Bozo's unique style. Not the UK obviously.

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[grunt]

Would you care to explain why you think Brexit is "a good thing"?


Not today or on this thread.

Happy to discuss it on the Brexit one another time :aok:When you're ready ...

[WeeRussell]

When you're ready ...

He’s maybe been at the shops FFS.

[Keith_M]

He’s maybe been at the shops FFS.



:faf:

[ronaldo7]

He’s maybe been at the shops FFS.


:greengrin

[xyz23jc]

look what it's coming to..



https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/05/15/59891813-10982919-image-m-12_1657030916144.jpg


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/05/15/59883383-10982919-Another_image_showed_a_large_pack_of_Lurpak_butter _with_a_securi-m-7_1657030511727.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/05/11/59884407-10982919-image-a-14_1657018664062.jpg

ONE NATION.....Better than RUSSIA! :greengrin

[xyz23jc]

:faf:

PANIC BOUGHT THE £9 LURPAK.... :greengrin

[HNA11]

It's totally ridiculous that after posting a similar warning only yesterday I am having to do this again. However it seems the gentle approach simply isn't working with some posters.

To be clear any posts hounding other posters, attempting to mock or goad them when they aren't actively engaged in a conversation and repeatedly aiming the same jibes at them over and over again is not acceptable. It's even worse when there is a pack mentality to these actions. whether it is coordinated or not is neither here nor there, multiple posters engaging in a pile on is akin to bullying and has never and will never be acceptable on here.

If debates can't be carried out in a civil manner then threads will be closed. We are primarily a football forum yet a disproportionate amount of admin time is spent monitoring and policing this non football forum, often dealing with posters who rarely use the site for it's primary purpose of discussing Hibs and football.

To repeat what was said yesterday. Anyone engaging in any of the behaviours describe above will get no more friendly warnings on threads. The infraction system will be used and nothing, up to and including bans, is off the table. We are all adults here so try and act like it.

Thank you.

[Hibernia&Alba]

£300 million spent on post Brexit import control posts that can't be used because of the impact they would have on the economy.


https://youtu.be/YC-sihf6DAw

[Hibernia&Alba]

Magic


https://youtu.be/yodYHf-ef5I

[cabbageandribs1875]

from the Daily Fail english edition



British families £8,800 worse off than comparable households in 5 OECD nations
Resolution Foundation claims low and middle-earning families now earn 1/3 less


British families are nearly £9,000 worse off than comparable households in five developed nations, a study has found.
Tory (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/conservatives/index.html) leadership hopefuls were warned to come up with a plan after the Resolution Foundation's study claims the poorest families now earn a third less, or were £8,800 worse off, than comparable households in Australia, Canada (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/canada/index.html), France (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/france/index.html), Germany (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/germany/index.html) and the Netherlands.
While the top 10% of British households remain richer than those in most other European nations, middle-income Brits now lag significantly behind their counterparts in France (9% poorer).


A 'toxic combination' of poor productivity, higher inequality and low growth were blamed for the shocking figures, according to Stagnation Nation - the interim report of the Economy 2030 Inquiry.
Pay growth in Britain has fallen below zero since the financial crisis of 2008, and as many as eight million young workers are yet to experience a period of sustained rising wages.
Meanwhile, the UK remains mired in a productivity slump that has seen lost output per person rise by £3,700 compared to France and Germany since 2008.

[Kato]

from the Daily Fail english edition



British families £8,800 worse off than comparable households in 5 OECD nations
Resolution Foundation claims low and middle-earning families now earn 1/3 less


British families are nearly £9,000 worse off than comparable households in five developed nations, a study has found.
Tory (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/conservatives/index.html) leadership hopefuls were warned to come up with a plan after the Resolution Foundation's study claims the poorest families now earn a third less, or were £8,800 worse off, than comparable households in Australia, Canada (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/canada/index.html), France (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/france/index.html), Germany (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/germany/index.html) and the Netherlands.
While the top 10% of British households remain richer than those in most other European nations, middle-income Brits now lag significantly behind their counterparts in France (9% poorer).


A 'toxic combination' of poor productivity, higher inequality and low growth were blamed for the shocking figures, according to Stagnation Nation - the interim report of the Economy 2030 Inquiry.
Pay growth in Britain has fallen below zero since the financial crisis of 2008, and as many as eight million young workers are yet to experience a period of sustained rising wages.
Meanwhile, the UK remains mired in a productivity slump that has seen lost output per person rise by £3,700 compared to France and Germany since 2008.

https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/701028930183110656?t=sy6K3f81DngRiiklLKpHjA&s=19

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[Kato]

https://twitter.com/StefanieBolzen/status/1547456026559107073?t=SjD55fY-SIKgqgdol7KPjg&s=19

Worlds biggest industrial tradeshow. No representation from the UK despite all the guff about being "nimble".

Is there any governing going on in this country?

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[neil7908]

from the Daily Fail english edition



British families £8,800 worse off than comparable households in 5 OECD nations
Resolution Foundation claims low and middle-earning families now earn 1/3 less


British families are nearly £9,000 worse off than comparable households in five developed nations, a study has found.
Tory (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/conservatives/index.html) leadership hopefuls were warned to come up with a plan after the Resolution Foundation's study claims the poorest families now earn a third less, or were £8,800 worse off, than comparable households in Australia, Canada (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/canada/index.html), France (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/france/index.html), Germany (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/germany/index.html) and the Netherlands.
While the top 10% of British households remain richer than those in most other European nations, middle-income Brits now lag significantly behind their counterparts in France (9% poorer).


A 'toxic combination' of poor productivity, higher inequality and low growth were blamed for the shocking figures, according to Stagnation Nation - the interim report of the Economy 2030 Inquiry.
Pay growth in Britain has fallen below zero since the financial crisis of 2008, and as many as eight million young workers are yet to experience a period of sustained rising wages.
Meanwhile, the UK remains mired in a productivity slump that has seen lost output per person rise by £3,700 compared to France and Germany since 2008.



Was surprised the Mail bothered to cover this until I saw no mention of the 'B' word and it all began to make sense!

[ronaldo7]

This is Labour today. NO EU FOREVER.

https://twitter.com/StephenFlynnSNP/status/1547646143441489924

[grunt]

This is Labour today. NO EU FOREVER.

https://twitter.com/StephenFlynnSNP/status/1547646143441489924Well. There you go.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1547507822300217344?s=21&t=P0t1UY_8hN4GHa77mwSO8g

Medicine approvals falling since Brexit.


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[grunt]

This is Labour today. NO EU FOREVER.

https://twitter.com/StephenFlynnSNP/status/1547646143441489924

But ...?


Latest YouGov has 84% of LAB voters saying Brexit was wrong

[ronaldo7]

But ...?

It kind of feels you know what type of man starmer is. Power before principles.

I know some will say you need power to implement your principles, but how do people know what they are if you keep changing them to suit the right wing media.

He's a sell out.

[Stairway 2 7]

@whatukthinks
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Latest @YouGov @thetimes poll. In hindsight #Brexit right 35 (-3); wrong 53 (+2). Fwork 13-14.7 (ch since 6-7.7). Record low % right & record high % wrong

[The Modfather]

@whatukthinks
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Latest @YouGov @thetimes poll. In hindsight #Brexit right 35 (-3); wrong 53 (+2). Fwork 13-14.7 (ch since 6-7.7). Record low % right & record high % wrong

Is it too simplistic to look at that and wonder why none of the opposition parties have taken the unclaimed space of re-assessing whether Brexit was the right choice or not now we know what Brexit actually entails? Why is no one claiming the ground to ask the question of whether it was a mistake or not.

None of the parties would do so simply for the greater good, but it seems like an open goal for Labour rather than waiting on the Tories costing themselves power. Surely out of self interest alone it’s the obvious way forward for Labour.

[lapsedhibee]

Is it too simplistic to look at that and wonder why none of the opposition parties have taken the unclaimed space of re-assessing whether Brexit was the right choice or not now we know what Brexit actually entails? Why is no one claiming the ground to ask the question of whether it was a mistake or not.

None of the parties would do so simply for the greater good, but it seems like an open goal for Labour rather than waiting on the Tories costing themselves power. Surely out of self interest alone it’s the obvious way forward for Labour.

Think both the SNP and Lib Dems hold this view, don't they?

[Stairway 2 7]

Is it too simplistic to look at that and wonder why none of the opposition parties have taken the unclaimed space of re-assessing whether Brexit was the right choice or not now we know what Brexit actually entails? Why is no one claiming the ground to ask the question of whether it was a mistake or not.

None of the parties would do so simply for the greater good, but it seems like an open goal for Labour rather than waiting on the Tories costing themselves power. Surely out of self interest alone it’s the obvious way forward for Labour.

Agree with this.

Also another point is the polls aren't going up and down, month on month people thinking it was the right decision are dropping. How low does that number go to until we talk about this being a disaster.

[ronaldo7]

Think both the SNP and Lib Dems hold this view, don't they?

SNP, yes, but I think the lib Dem policy is now to join the single market, and customs Union only. Happy to be corrected.

[Ozyhibby]

https://youtu.be/ct6f06PL0F0

Just watched this video about Argentina and can help but think this is the way the UK is going.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220719/400621488226b34d7c29ad4108f67f49.jpg


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[Kato]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220719/400621488226b34d7c29ad4108f67f49.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkBut that's stinky, mendacious, sly, "still in the clutches of the EU", European Court of Human Rights, EU Army, "watch out for Turkey" trade.

Why would anyone want that?

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[Ozyhibby]

But that's stinky, mendacious, sly, "still in the clutches of the EU", European Court of Human Rights, EU Army, "watch out for Turkey" trade.

Why would anyone want that?

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I love the fact they have used a picture of a couple of container ships to illustrate the massive increase in trade across a land border.[emoji23]


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[grunt]

Its enough to make a grown man weep


https://youtu.be/43Y2naxoRt4

[Moulin Yarns]

If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands!

https://news.stv.tv/politics/brexit-divorce-bill-could-soar-by-5bn-treasury-admits

[xyz23jc]

I love the fact they have used a picture of a couple of container ships to illustrate the massive increase in trade across a land border.[emoji23]


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It'll need tae dae until they build yon Boris undergrun' tunnel thingmy that'll save the union whatchamacauley! Lol! :thumbsup:

[ronaldo7]

Dover gridlocked again. It looks like taking back control of borders was only one way, and they can't even get that right.

Global Britain. 😂

[hibsbollah]

Dover gridlocked again. It looks like taking back control of borders was only one way, and they can't even get that right.

Global Britain. 😂

It’s the Frenchies fault. Not enough staff on their side to process us. Know your place!

[Ozyhibby]

Dover gridlocked again. It looks like taking back control of borders was only one way, and they can't even get that right.

Global Britain. [emoji23]

If they get that new Rosyth Ferry up and running it may just be economically viable if it avoids a ten hour wait in Dover.[emoji106]


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[Hibrandenburg]

Got a Brit guy on a social media group I'm a member of ranting about having to pay €700 for importing his wife's jewellery into Germany and blaming the Germans, he voted for Brexit and still doesn't understand the consequences 6 years later. 6 years on and I'm still convinced that stupidity and ignorance swayed the vote.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/port-of-dover-declares-critical-incident-over-queues-leading-to-the-ferry-terminal-3778070

Impressive how unionist media can avoid putting the ‘B’ word into a story directly about it.


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[Bostonhibby]

@TobyonTV

I see people who wanted a hard border with France are angry there's a hard border with France




https://mobile.twitter.com/TobyonTV/status/1550400290423185408?t=kOgsJzbzGuLCC0g7fuU-EA&s=08

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[hibsbollah]

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/port-of-dover-declares-critical-incident-over-queues-leading-to-the-ferry-terminal-3778070

Impressive how unionist media can avoid putting the ‘B’ word into a story directly about it.


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In that article, mentions it’s the French fault 3 times, UNcorroborated claims by the Dover Tory MP. Not a single mention of Brexit. Terrible, not much short of propaganda reporting.

[Bostonhibby]

In that article, mentions it’s the French fault 3 times, UNcorroborated claims by the Dover Tory MP. Not a single mention of Brexit. Terrible, not much short of propaganda reporting.I seem to remember when the Port authority, the Home Secretary and the Dover MP blamed the enormous backlogs on the M2 on staff shortages due to illnesses and absenteeism caused by Covid.

I suppose its inconceivable too the current media and Dover MP that a pandemic might have an impact beyond Britannia?

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[hibsbollah]

6 hours now. That must be the longest six hours known to man, stuck in a traffic jam in the port of Dover. Second only to waiting at mount Florida station for a delayed train with hundreds of hearts fans after the semi final.

[ronaldo7]

It’s the Frenchies fault. Not enough staff on their side to process us. Know your place!

They've not taken back control have they.

Vive la France. 🇫🇷

[ronaldo7]

Brussels launches legal action against the UK for breaches of the Northern Ireland protocol.

Why do the Tories always want to fight with everyone.

[lapsedhibee]

Brussels launches legal action against the UK for breaches of the Northern Ireland protocol.

Why do the Tories always want to fight with everyone.

Divide and rule, it's the traditional British way. And if you think there's anything wrong with it you must hate your country. Think that's right anyway.

[Glory Lurker]

Brussels launches legal action against the UK for breaches of the Northern Ireland protocol.

Why do the Tories always want to fight with everyone.

Mon Brussels. Get right in aboot thum.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i think this is from today, i don't understand what all the fuss is about

can travellers not just be satisfied with the pride of having a *blue passport dammit


*Designed by a French Company and printed in Poland

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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220723/3b1a86808d7970781c748802d3231ea6.jpg

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1644419/brexit-news-travel-chaos-passport-european-union-port-dover-airport-queues-vn

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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[CropleyWasGod]

My son's partner has just received their new passport.

It's black.

Do they need to send it back as being defective?

[Moulin Yarns]

My son's partner has just received their new passport.

It's black.

Do they need to send it back as being defective?

Blooming foreigners, can't even get the colour right 😂

[lapsedhibee]

My son's partner has just received their new passport.

It's black.

Do they need to send it back as being defective?

From that information alone I can tell that the holder voted Remain in 2016. People who voted Leave invariably get blue ones. Even though the colour is the same.

[Colr]

People who voted for a hard border seem surprised when they are stopped at a hard border.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Dover, the future

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[Hibernia&Alba]

My son's partner has just received their new passport.

It's black.

Do they need to send it back as being defective?
There ain't no black in the Union Jack! Traitors, unstaunch communists; reported to Jacob Rees-Mogg! We were promised passports in Rangers ROYAL blue :lolrangers:

[Hibernia&Alba]

People who voted for a hard border seem surprised when they are stopped at a hard border.

We voted for a hard border to keep out the foreigners, not for us. We should have different rules for British subjects; do we rule the waves or not? They are treating us like foreigners in their own country :lolrangers:

[Glory Lurker]

Mon the hard border

[Colr]

We should have different rules for British subjects; do we rule the waves or not? They are treating us like foreigners in their own country :lolrangers:
Britannia waves the rules!

[grunt]

This is Brexit

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1551138151934066688?s=20&t=By_N31Xo8PoGcdBAtIKXGw (https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1551138151934066688?s=20&t=By_N31Xo8PoGcdBAtIKXGw)

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220724/ba8993cdf75f81aa200b3df83520b88b.jpg

Dover looks fun.[emoji102]


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[degenerated]

There ain't no black in the Union Jack! Traitors, unstaunch communists; reported to Jacob Rees-Mogg! We were promised passports in Rangers ROYAL blue [emoji38]rangers:Off topic, but that immediately made me think of one of my favourite moments of comedy.

https://youtu.be/XkCBhKs4faI

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/kernowmad/status/1550914754583187456?s=21&t=ZgfC5jXf3CPIOOWu_Sw--Q

Luggage piling up at Heathrow. It’s been a problem at Edinburgh as well. We really are missing all those EU workers.


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[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/kernowmad/status/1550914754583187456?s=21&t=ZgfC5jXf3CPIOOWu_Sw--Q

Luggage piling up at Heathrow. It’s been a problem at Edinburgh as well. We really are missing all those EU workers.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAt least we've taken back control, or at least that's another one of Bozo's successes I just seen on one of the rags front pages. Only had 6 years to plan for this sort of mess.

I'm guessing the easy way to deflect this one is to blame the French.



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[lapsedhibee]

I'm guessing the easy way to deflect this one is to blame the French.


Anyone heard yet which country Raaab is blaming for the problems at Dover? :dunno:

[Moulin Yarns]

Anyone heard yet which country Raaab is blaming for the problems at Dover? :dunno:

Saudi Araabia?

[Kato]

Anyone heard yet which country Raaab is blaming for the problems at Dover? :dunno:Doncaster

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[Ozyhibby]

Anyone heard yet which country Raaab is blaming for the problems at Dover? :dunno:

Darlington. They always find a way to blame us Scots.


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[Bostonhibby]

Anyone heard yet which country Raaab is blaming for the problems at Dover? :dunno:Neverneverland?

It's where the NHS's extra £350m per week went.

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[ronaldo7]

This is Brexit

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1551138151934066688?s=20&t=By_N31Xo8PoGcdBAtIKXGw (https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1551138151934066688?s=20&t=By_N31Xo8PoGcdBAtIKXGw)

Simple and to the point. Love the sunny uplands.

[Kato]

Simple and to the point. Love the sunny uplands.Blimey. What a swindle. We have the worlds leading hornswagglers, carpetbaggers, freebooters, felons and ransackers. Makes me proud to be British.

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[Hibrandenburg]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220724/ba8993cdf75f81aa200b3df83520b88b.jpg

Dover looks fun.[emoji102]


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And the UK government's answer to the problem is blame the French, deny it's Brexit related and continue as if nothing has changed by ignoring the problem and thus guaranteeing the chaos will continue every time there's peak travel.

[Bostonhibby]

And the UK government's answer to the problem is blame the French, deny it's Brexit related and continue as if nothing has changed by ignoring the problem and thus guaranteeing the chaos will continue every time there's peak travel.Last time I looked Gove was pwopa UK government.

https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1550576570120769537?t=Hz5ZuE2C_laFMQKuF4YTmA&s=08

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[McSwanky]

Off topic, but that immediately made me think of one of my favourite moments of comedy.

https://youtu.be/XkCBhKs4faI

:top marks

[PeeJay]

And the UK government's answer to the problem is blame the French, deny it's Brexit related and continue as if nothing has changed by ignoring the problem and thus guaranteeing the chaos will continue every time there's peak travel.

Not sure who's "fault" it is myself, but isn't the situation at the port that French officials are responsible on site, i.e. in Dover, for processing travellers into France while British officials are responsible (in France) for processing travellers to the UK - your image shows travellers heading to France, I assume? Seems to me the French are clearly part of the problem, Brexit obviously has played its part too though ...

... maybe they should have separate lanes for those going to France: one labelled "Brexit voters" and one "Non-Brexit voters"? :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Not sure who's "fault" it is myself, but isn't the situation at the port that French officials are responsible on site, i.e. in Dover, for processing travellers into France while British officials are responsible (in France) for processing travellers to the UK - your image shows travellers heading to France, I assume? Seems to me the French are clearly part of the problem, Brexit obviously has played its part too though ...

... maybe they should have separate lanes for those going to France: one labelled "Brexit voters" and one "Non-Brexit voters"? :greengrin

The French officials are doing the checks they need to do. The UK officials in France are just waiving everyone through without checks. We keep suspending the checks we need to do because of Brexit because we are not prepared for it.


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[Kato]

Not sure who's "fault" it is myself, but isn't the situation at the port that French officials are responsible on site, i.e. in Dover, for processing travellers into France while British officials are responsible (in France) for processing travellers to the UK - your image shows travellers heading to France, I assume? Seems to me the French are clearly part of the problem, Brexit obviously has played its part too though ...

... maybe they should have separate lanes for those going to France: one labelled "Brexit voters" and one "Non-Brexit voters"? :greengrinWhich part of the problem is down to the French?

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[Ozyhibby]

Which part of the problem is down to the French?

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None. As non members travelling to the EU, they have to stop UK citizens in cars and check all their passports, check how many previous visits to the EU they have had (no more than 90 days in last 6 months), ask what your return travel plans are and if you have enough money to fund your trip. If you think that doesn’t take longer than the previous system where people were just waived through then you can’t be helped.
Not you personally.[emoji6][emoji23]

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[Hibrandenburg]

Not sure who's "fault" it is myself, but isn't the situation at the port that French officials are responsible on site, i.e. in Dover, for processing travellers into France while British officials are responsible (in France) for processing travellers to the UK - your image shows travellers heading to France, I assume? Seems to me the French are clearly part of the problem, Brexit obviously has played its part too though ...

... maybe they should have separate lanes for those going to France: one labelled "Brexit voters" and one "Non-Brexit voters"? :greengrin

The main problem would appear to be the complete lack of investment in infrastructure near the ports causing gridlock and meaning even border staff are having trouble getting to work at peak times. Leaving the EU, negotiating a hard Brexit and then not bolstering infrastructure around our main ports is absolutely mental.

Turning a soft border that was struggling at peak times anyway into a hard border without investing in infrastructure was always going to end in chaos. It's actually funny despite the dire consequences :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

Not sure who's "fault" it is myself, but isn't the situation at the port that French officials are responsible on site, i.e. in Dover, for processing travellers into France while British officials are responsible (in France) for processing travellers to the UK - your image shows travellers heading to France, I assume? Seems to me the French are clearly part of the problem, Brexit obviously has played its part too though ...

... maybe they should have separate lanes for those going to France: one labelled "Brexit voters" and one "Non-Brexit voters"? :greengrin

I'd want a third lane, one for those who had no vote on whether they got to keep their European Citizenship or not. :wink:

[Moulin Yarns]

The main problem would appear to be the complete lack of investment in infrastructure near the ports causing gridlock and meaning even border staff are having trouble getting to work at peak times. Leaving the EU, negotiating a hard Brexit and then not bolstering infrastructure around our main ports is absolutely mental.

Turning a soft border that was struggling at peak times anyway into a hard border without investing in infrastructure was always going to end in chaos. It's actually funny despite the dire consequences :greengrin

Sure I read The port of Dover applied for £31m from the Government to improve infrastructure and received £310,000 instead :rolleyes:

[PeeJay]

Which part of the problem is down to the French?

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I think insufficient staffing at the French side is probably down to the French - and it is contributing to the situation, it's not the sole problem, of course ... and we all know the Brexit vote/decision and clear lack of planning by the UK have caused by far most of the trouble ...

[Kato]

I think insufficient staffing at the French side is probably down to the French - and it is contributing to the situation, it's not the sole problem, of course ... and we all know the Brexit vote/decision and clear lack of planning by the UK have caused by far most of the trouble ...

The French booths were understaffed for a few hours on Friday as staff couldn't get through traffic. Once you are past them there no checks in France.

The French are only doing as we asked them to do.

It was never the quickest place to go through but we asked for stricter border controls and now have them.

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[Eaststand]

The main problem would appear to be the complete lack of investment in infrastructure near the ports causing gridlock and meaning even border staff are having trouble getting to work at peak times. Leaving the EU, negotiating a hard Brexit and then not bolstering infrastructure around our main ports is absolutely mental.

Turning a soft border that was struggling at peak times anyway into a hard border without investing in infrastructure was always going to end in chaos. It's actually funny despite the dire consequences :greengrin

But, but there must be a misunderstanding here, as the Daily Express and Daily Mail headlines said recently that Boris Johnston had done a great job dealing with Brexit

GGTTH

[PeeJay]

The French booths were understaffed for a few hours on Friday as staff couldn't get through traffic. Once you are past them there no checks in France.

The French are only doing as we asked them to do.

It was never the quickest place to go through but we asked for stricter border controls and now have them.

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Sorry, meant the "French side" in the UK - you're right no checks in France ...

[Bristolhibby]

I think insufficient staffing at the French side is probably down to the French - and it is contributing to the situation, it's not the sole problem, of course ... and we all know the Brexit vote/decision and clear lack of planning by the UK have caused by far most of the trouble ...

If you have ten booths you can’t put 50 boarder staff in those ten booths.

The French asked for extra infrastructure funding from the U.K. the U.K. told them to bolt. No amount of French staffing will help this in the short term.

We (the U.K.) need to grow up and fund the border works properly so that the French can staff it.

We also need to accept that we asked for this and the French are just doing what we asked of the EU.

Have a watch of this, explains things very clearly.

https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1551464675711324160?s=21&t=1iPwWUWjKEDkBbx4tROdwg

J

Ps I’m flying to Spain in a couple of weeks so hopefully avoid the worst of the travel chaos.

[ronaldo7]

I think insufficient staffing at the French side is probably down to the French - and it is contributing to the situation, it's not the sole problem, of course ... and we all know the Brexit vote/decision and clear lack of planning by the UK have caused by far most of the trouble ...

Who are we, a third country, to tell the French how to manage their border. I'm sure we'll just throw some more money at them to ensure they do as they're told. :rolleyes:

Rule Britannia :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

Who are we, a third country, to tell the French how to manage their border. I'm sure we'll just throw some more money at them to ensure they do as they're told. :rolleyes:

Rule Britannia :greengrinIf only there was some sort of arrangement we could participate in so that all those disappointed/expectant /entitled brits could get on their way as swiftly as the overstretched and underfunded Dover end used to allow.



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[cabbageandribs1875]

oh poor Jacob

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[nonshinyfinish]

Got a Brit guy on a social media group I'm a member of ranting about having to pay €700 for importing his wife's jewellery into Germany and blaming the Germans, he voted for Brexit and still doesn't understand the consequences 6 years later. 6 years on and I'm still convinced that stupidity and ignorance swayed the vote.

Someone I work with wasn't sure how to vote, so asked their eight-year-old son to decide.

(The kid chose 'leave' – you can write your own punchlines.)

[Stairway 2 7]

oh poor Jacob

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/294648052_5214336721996741_6479878144028193585_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=-aNMoUjshJEAX8FFoAe&tn=vIvSFNl06GFFe0Qb&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT-6GhdcyYDySVgFezNIO3a6XnFlSBV-TuA2a-5G_fZ8tg&oe=62E3FBA7

Funny but not real

[cabbageandribs1875]

Funny but not real


after reading your post i googled it and it appears on Googler search, then it appears it's from a twitter suspended account


(1) Twitter (https://twitter.com/GBNews_UK/status/1551300577514102786)

[PeeJay]

Who are we, a third country, to tell the French how to manage their border. I'm sure we'll just throw some more money at them to ensure they do as they're told. :rolleyes:

Rule Britannia :greengrin

A "third" country ... as in "Ecosse" :confused:?

As I said, I'm not sure who is to actually blame, but I can see that most of the blame can be apportioned probably to the UK and a lack of funding, infrastructure and so on as many on here are pointing out - but, personally, I like blaming the "Froggies" for things - not woke, I know :greengrin

[grunt]

A "third" country ... as in "Ecosse" :confused:?

https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/pages/glossary/third-country_en


A country that is not a member of the European Union as well as a country or territory whose citizens do not enjoy the European Union right to free movement (https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/pages/glossary/right-free-movement_en), as defined in Art. 2(5) of the Regulation (EU) 2016/399 (Schengen Borders Code) (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=URISERV:l14514)

[PeeJay]

https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/pages/glossary/third-country_en

...cheers for the info!

[ronaldo7]

A "third" country ... as in "Ecosse" :confused:?

As I said, I'm not sure who is to actually blame, but I can see that most of the blame can be apportioned probably to the UK and a lack of funding, infrastructure and so on as many on here are pointing out - but, personally, I like blaming the "Froggies" for things - not woke, I know :greengrin

Haters gonna hate. 😆

UK IS THE THIRD COUNTY.

[Kato]

Since we are no longer part of the EU regulatory body for chemicals which covered all member nations we have to set up out own.

£2B bill.

What a waste.

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1551678242871984128?t=Epm2yEC3C5y-8xAECRjkow&s=19

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[heretoday]

Not sure who's "fault" it is myself, but isn't the situation at the port that French officials are responsible on site, i.e. in Dover, for processing travellers into France while British officials are responsible (in France) for processing travellers to the UK - your image shows travellers heading to France, I assume? Seems to me the French are clearly part of the problem, Brexit obviously has played its part too though ...

... maybe they should have separate lanes for those going to France: one labelled "Brexit voters" and one "Non-Brexit voters"? :greengrin

Trouble is there are more people wanting to get the hell out of the UK than there are going the other way.

[grunt]

Not sure who's "fault" it is myself, but isn't the situation at the port that French officials are responsible on site, i.e. in Dover, for processing travellers into France while British officials are responsible (in France) for processing travellers to the UK - your image shows travellers heading to France, I assume? Seems to me the French are clearly part of the problem, Brexit obviously has played its part too though ...The French had no vote in Brexit, didn't want it, weren't involved in it, weren't consulted. So if I was French, I'd have nothing to do with the Brexit issue. "You need more staff to look after your borders? Well since you've taken back control, you deal with it."


... but, personally, I like blaming the "Froggies" for things - not woke, I know :greengrinSeems to me you're part of the problem. It's voters who think that somehow people who live in the EU countries are inferior to the wonderful, special, privileged UK who are to blame for Brexit.

[Bostonhibby]

The French had no vote in Brexit, didn't want it, weren't involved in it, weren't consulted. So if I was French, I'd have nothing to do with the Brexit issue. "You need more staff to look after your borders? Well since you've taken back control, you deal with it."

Seems to me you're part of the problem. It's voters who think that somehow people who live in the EU countries are inferior to the wonderful, special, privileged UK who are to blame for Brexit.And, dare one mention post 6748 above again?

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[grunt]

And, dare one mention post 6748 above again?
:confused:

[Bostonhibby]

:confused:Sorry, adding to what you were emphasising, pretty much something UK could have planned for, had the opportunity to act on, and now attempting to deflect away from yet again.

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[grunt]

Sorry, adding to what you were emphasising
My confusion was about the post number. This post is only number 6734.

[JeMeSouviens]

The French had no vote in Brexit, didn't want it, weren't involved in it, weren't consulted. So if I was French, I'd have nothing to do with the Brexit issue. "You need more staff to look after your borders? Well since you've taken back control, you deal with it."

Seems to me you're part of the problem. It's voters who think that somehow people who live in the EU countries are inferior to the wonderful, special, privileged UK who are to blame for Brexit.

Think PeeJay is sitting pretty in Deutschland iirc. Dunno what his boeuf avec les français is? :dunno:

[Bostonhibby]

My confusion was about the post number. This post is only number 6734.[emoji106]
Now I am confused[emoji16]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220726/3cf7b96f4db213da12f1567f79d90598.jpg

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[lapsedhibee]

I paid my tenner just recently. WHERE'S MY OTHER FOURTEEN PLUS POSTS? :grr::panic:

[grunt]

[emoji106]
Now I am confused[emoji16]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220726/3cf7b96f4db213da12f1567f79d90598.jpg

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? Different numbering on my phone vs my desktop. Sorry.

[Bostonhibby]

? Different numbering on my phone vs my desktop. Sorry.[emoji23]

I just stuck it on desktop and I'm the same as you!

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[weecounty hibby]

[emoji23]

I just stuck it on desktop and I'm the same as you!

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It's all down to the ****ing French!!

[Bostonhibby]

It's all down to the ****ing French!!Truss is in charge of my I T department.

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[Jack]

I paid my tenner just recently. WHERE'S MY OTHER FOURTEEN PLUS POSTS? :grr::panic:

All the people you have on ignore!

[nonshinyfinish]

It's deleted posts being handled differently on the desktop site vs a mobile app.

This is post 6743 on the desktop site (at least until any earlier post is deleted) and post 6787 on Tapatalk. The thread shows 44 deleted posts.

[grunt]

It's deleted posts being handled differently on the desktop site vs a mobile app.
:aok:

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220803/cfddd169fc191a90c6fcbb63f872212b.jpg


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[grunt]

10 reasons Brexit has been disastrous for Britain
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/03/spiralling-inflation-crops-left-in-the-field-and-travel-chaos-10-reasons-brexit-has-been-disastrous-for-britain?CMP=share_btn_tw

[Just Alf]

10 reasons Brexit has been disastrous for Britain
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/03/spiralling-inflation-crops-left-in-the-field-and-travel-chaos-10-reasons-brexit-has-been-disastrous-for-britain?CMP=share_btn_twI thought this but interesting.....

"*Rishi Sunak*says he wants to “go further and faster in using the freedoms Brexit has given us to cut the mass of EU regulations and bureaucracy holding back our growth”. Liz Truss sounds even more zealous: she now wants to scrap all the regulations in UK law that are there as the legacy of our time in the EU by the end of next year, to “make the most of our newfound freedoms outside the EU”."

Surely if we deliberately DON'T meet EU standards then we're excluding ourselves from that market entirely?!

At least at the moment, apart from increased costs and delays, taxes form filling etc we still have some access?

[Ozyhibby]

I thought this but interesting.....

"*Rishi Sunak*says he wants to “go further and faster in using the freedoms Brexit has given us to cut the mass of EU regulations and bureaucracy holding back our growth”. Liz Truss sounds even more zealous: she now wants to scrap all the regulations in UK law that are there as the legacy of our time in the EU by the end of next year, to “make the most of our newfound freedoms outside the EU”."

Surely if we deliberately DON'T meet EU standards then we're excluding ourselves from that market entirely?!

At least at the moment, apart from increased costs and delays, taxes form filling etc we still have some access?

Logic won’t work with these guys.


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[grunt]

Surely if we deliberately DON'T meet EU standards then we're excluding ourselves from that market entirely?!

The Tories want the UK to fail. There's no other explanation I can think of.

[lapsedhibee]

The Tories want the UK to fail.

Reported. (Vilification.)