Brexit - What Now.

[lapsedhibee]

Diane Abbot doing what she does, criticising Boris for making police cadets stand for an hour .

It's not like they'll be doing that when they are coppers, us it?

She is a one woman disaster zone.

Can there ever have been, at the same time, two worse front benches than these? :dunno:

[JeMeSouviens]

Diane Abbot doing what she does, criticising Boris for making police cadets stand for an hour .

It's not like they'll be doing that when they are coppers, us it?

She is a one woman disaster zone.

I didn't see the programme but I think it's legitimate to question the PM using the police force as a backdrop to a highly political statement. The Police Federation have today criticised using the police in this way.

[JeMeSouviens]

Can there ever have been, at the same time, two worse front benches than these? :dunno:

... and simultaneously, back benches on both sides stuffed with so much talent?

[Peevemor]

Diane Abbot doing what she does, criticising Boris for making police cadets stand for an hour .

It's not like they'll be doing that when they are coppers, us it?

She is a one woman disaster zone.

As anyone who's done any militaristic type stuff knows, standing still for an hour is extremely difficult. Even the sentries at Buckingham Palace & the like get to move around every so often.

[Hibrandenburg]

... and simultaneously, back benches on both sides stuffed with so much talent?

Anyone with 2 brain cells wouldn't touch Brexit with a barge pole.

[mjhibby]

:agree:

I gave up on it years ago. Especially when there are interesting things happening, much better on Newsnight.

Only issue i have with newsnight and channel four news is the likes of kirsty wark not letting the guys finish. These are extraordinary times so lets at least let everybody explain their position. Newsnight was going downhill imho but has been excellent the last few weeks. The two guys covering Brexit have been unbiased and explained it superbly.

[mjhibby]

Can there ever have been, at the same time, two worse front benches than these? :dunno:

Max hastings of all people summed it up superbly. We are being asked to choose betwern two awful choices. Unless we get a moderate centrist govt then we will keep swinging between extremes. Both of the main parties are run by ideologues instead of having a govt for the people. Its an utter disgrace that the uk and USA have become a choice of two extreme parties. The fact thst the likes of ken clarke snd Dominic grieve seem some of the few sane ones at Westminster says it all.. Ken clarke for pm in a coalition and Harriet harmon as chancellor. Not as far fetched as you think if the tories return under 300 mps which is a distinct possibility.

[Callum_62]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/general-election-date-aimed-to-restrict-student-vote-boris-johnson-aides-admit-g7zh5s7td

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[JeMeSouviens]

Only issue i have with newsnight and channel four news is the likes of kirsty wark not letting the guys finish. These are extraordinary times so lets at least let everybody explain their position. Newsnight was going downhill imho but has been excellent the last few weeks. The two guys covering Brexit have been unbiased and explained it superbly.

There are interviews where this is necessary because the interviewee is just waffling to fill time and avoid the question but I agree that in countering that Kirsty W and Emily Maitlis sometimes err the other way and cut people off who are actually saying something interesting.

I think Newsnight poached Sky's political editor a while back which is probably the source of the improvement. It's been very good anyway.

[mjhibby]

There are interviews where this is necessary because the interviewee is just waffling to fill time and avoid the question but I agree that in countering that Kirsty W and Emily Maitlis sometimes err the other way and cut people off who are actually saying something interesting.

I think Newsnight poached Sky's political editor a while back which is probably the source of the improvement. It's been very good anyway.

Yup.Vast improvement recently.Im all for cutting off party political speeches as answers but the likes of the snp and labour guys have been cut off too many times. Ill live with it as long as it maintains the improvement.

[JeMeSouviens]

On the use of the police yesterday - West Yorks police not happy:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDxjq5PXkAAn2ug?format=jpg&name=medium

Link if the pic isn't readable - https://twitter.com/WestYorksPolice/status/1169919596150870018/photo/1

[Cataplana]

Can there ever have been, at the same time, two worse front benches than these? :dunno:

Possibly the mid to late thirties? Certainly not in the modern era.

[Cataplana]

As anyone who's done any militaristic type stuff knows, standing still for an hour is extremely difficult. Even the sentries at Buckingham Palace & the like get to move around every so often.

I'd be surprised if Abbot knew that.

[BroxburnHibee]

QT is no longer a decent watch. It strives to be extreme as it chases viewing figures.

I gave up on it years ago.

[Ozyhibby]

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[stoneyburn hibs]

Boris spending this evening at Balmoral.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall.

[BroxburnHibee]

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Brilliant!

[cabbageandribs1875]

No deal may help initially boost support for independence but it also makes it less likely if there is the chance of a hard border between Scotland and England. And in a campaign it allows better together 2 to make all sorts of claims about border posts and tariffs. People in Scotland will not vote for any sort of border with England. At the very least the SNP need a soft brexit, preferably still in CU and SM. That way trading arrangement are already known and the border will remain as is. If UK eventually end up not leaving at all, YES still in with good chance as brexit will remain number 1 issue down south for next generation.


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i must admit that's a scenario i've not given much thought to at all oz, i'm thinking more about what a tory government is threatening to do after a no deal brexit, the thought of the yanks getting an even larger foothold in our NHS, the thought of their chlorinated chickens(:Ummm:) the UK desperate for a deal will do anything the yanks ask/want, basically the yanks lording over us,the suggestion they will axe the human rights act, pensioners will see the end of the triple lock, i was hoping for at least a 2nd referendum, a 2nd referendum that would have been given due to all the facts not being known in 2016, if we got that referendum for those reasons then surely we would have been entitled to an indy2 due to the untruths leading up to 2014, but anyway, i'm still convinced any deal at all will mean a lot in scotland will just accept that, the country will be sick to death of referendums and support for indy2 will wane. but i do hope you're correct in assuming brexit will remain an issue down south.

[Ozyhibby]

Johnson options must now be very limited.
I can only think of three.
1. Go to EU and ask for the extension.
2. Resign.
3. Try for a VONC in his own govt.
Any others?


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[Moulin Yarns]

Anyone in the North East? Get along to Brewdog Peterhead



We have a super limited amount of bottles of our new protest beer 'Hello my name is (unelected) Boris' available from 5pm tonight.

Come snap them up while you can because we can't see these lasting long. https://t.co/xzqA6EW3YZ

[JeMeSouviens]

Johnson options must now be very limited.
I can only think of three.
1. Go to EU and ask for the extension.
2. Resign.
3. Try for a VONC in his own govt.
Any others?


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Refuse to ask and make himself a martyr?

[Jack Hackett]

Refuse to ask and make himself a martyr?

Soooo... "Dead in a ditch" then?

[Ozyhibby]

Refuse to ask and make himself a martyr?

Can’t see it. He has prorogued parliament for a Queens speech. Hard to imagine he could ask her to stand up and say her govt is to break the law.


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[southsider]

Soooo... "Dead in a ditch" then?
The sooner the better.

[JeMeSouviens]

Can’t see it. He has prorogued parliament for a Queens speech. Hard to imagine he could ask her to stand up and say her govt is to break the law.


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S'ok, she chunters from a sedentary position. :wink:

[ACLeith]

Soooo... "Dead in a ditch" then?

Assisted suicide us still illegal here or else there would be millions out this weekend searching for suitable locations to give him options

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

lol there's some seriously creative talented individuals out there :greengrin

Metro memes (https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/04/the-best-of-the-jacob-rees-mogg-memes-as-he-lounges-on-frontbench-10687204/)

[Moulin Yarns]

Metro memes (https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/04/the-best-of-the-jacob-rees-mogg-memes-as-he-lounges-on-frontbench-10687204/)

They missed the one with Johnson giving head.

[JeMeSouviens]

Johnson options must now be very limited.
I can only think of three.
1. Go to EU and ask for the extension.
2. Resign.
3. Try for a VONC in his own govt.
Any others?


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Twitter thread from Peter Foster of the Telegraph makes a suggestion - Johnson could sell out the DUP and accept a Canada deal with an NI specific backstop aka border in the Irish sea.

[Ozyhibby]

Twitter thread from Peter Foster of the Telegraph makes a suggestion - Johnson could sell out the DUP and accept a Canada deal with an NI specific backstop aka border in the Irish sea.

I’m almost certain that’s what they would have done had they not had the 2017 election. Only thing is that now it has become so polarised, will either side accept a compromise? He would need Labour votes to get that through.
And that would involve Labour selling out the SNP and Lib Dems.


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[JeMeSouviens]

Tories amusing themselves with chicken stuff.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDyTlYUXkAMmYdy?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Does this actually work for anyone? I can't imagine anyone looking at this and not thinking, what a bunch of childish fannies? :dunno:

[Cataplana]

Tories amusing themselves with chicken stuff.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDyTlYUXkAMmYdy?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Does this actually work for anyone? I can't imagine anyone looking at this and not thinking, what a bunch of childish fannies? :dunno:

Utterly juvenile, they really need to take stock of how this looks.

[Jack Hackett]

Tories amusing themselves with chicken stuff.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDyTlYUXkAMmYdy?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Does this actually work for anyone? I can't imagine anyone looking at this and not thinking, what a bunch of childish fannies? :dunno:

School playground stuff... Primary at that. They are hurting bad

[Hibbyradge]

No-Deal Brexit Bill Designed To Extend Article 50 Passed By House Of Lords

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-delay-bill-designed-to-avoid-no-deal-passed-by-parliament_uk_5d722ff3e4b03aabe35ac1f4

[Ozyhibby]

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[Hibrandenburg]

Utterly juvenile, they really need to take STOCK of how this looks.

They're just WINGING it. Same with Nigel, him and Boris are birds of a feather.

[Bristolhibby]

They're just WINGING it. Same with Nigel, him and Boris are birds of a feather.

What the CLUCK were they thinking?

J

[Hibbyradge]

What the CLUCK were they thinking?

J

You must have combed the internet for that one.

[Hibrandenburg]

You must have combed the internet for that one.

Don't encourage him, egging him on will only make it worse.

[Moulin Yarns]

Don't encourage him, egging him on will only make it worse.

An oeuf already.

[Bristolhibby]

Boris really is fowl. He only took the job to use BREXIT as a feather for his cap. But now he is coup-ed up with egg on his face. What a Cock.

[Cataplana]

Calling Corbyn a chicken is a cheep shot.

[BroxburnHibee]

Obviously its heaven for the punsters but incredibly childish that this is the best they can come up with.

[Cataplana]

Obviously its heaven for the punsters but incredibly childish that this is the best they can come up with.

Not eggsactly what I wanted to hear.

[Hibbyradge]

Obviously its heaven for the punsters but incredibly childish that this is the best they can come up with.

:agree:

It's a poultry excuse for a political jibe.

[Colr]

Tories amusing themselves with chicken stuff.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDyTlYUXkAMmYdy?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Does this actually work for anyone? I can't imagine anyone looking at this and not thinking, what a bunch of childish fannies? :dunno:

Only activists think this is funny. Both sides do it. It’s incredibly condescending in fact.

[Bristolhibby]

:agree:

It's a poultry excuse for a political jibe.

Leg-end. That’s the breast one yet.

Thigh do serious debates always end up as pun threads?

J

[Hibbyradge]

Thigh do serious debates always end up as pun threads?

J

:dunno: Beaks me

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I thought this was the Breggsit thread?

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[cabbageandribs1875]

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[Hibernia&Alba]

I'd rather Scottish independence than a Corbyn government so in the event of Labour getting into power I'd join you in switching to the yes camp.

Even Thornberry realised her 'plan' for Brexit sounded laughable.

You're right, it does sound bizarre, but British politics is completely bizarre just now, with events nobody dreamed possible before the Brexit vote. Thornbury expresses the dilemma of many pro-Europeans who accept the referendum result must be implemented but think it's a disastrous course of action. That creates a terrible dilemma about what to do: do you stand back and allow something you firmly believe is going to ruin people, or do you refuse to accept a democratic decision of the referendum? What do you do as an elected legislator when you sincerely believe turkeys have voted for Christmas? This dilemma, as we have seen, cuts across party lines and even families. When the country is split down the middle, both sides end up trying to square a circle. On the leave side we've gone from promises of "the easiest trade deal in history" (Michael Gove) to no deal.

[Fife-Hibee]

You're right, it does sound bizarre, but British politics is completely bizarre just now, with events nobody dreamed possible before the Brexit vote. Thornbury expresses the dilemma of many pro-Europeans who accept the referendum result must be implemented but think it's a disastrous course of action. That creates a terrible dilemma about what to do: do you stand back and allow something you firmly believe is going to ruin people, or do you refuse to accept a democratic decision of the referendum? What do you do as an elected legislator when you sincerely believe turkeys have voted for Christmas? This dilemma, as we have seen, cuts across party lines and even families. When the country is split down the middle, both sides end up trying to square a circle. On the leave side we've gone from promises of "the easiest trade deal in history" (Michael Gove) to no deal.

Is it a democratic decision, when the referendum itself was ultimately undemocratic?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Is it a democratic decision, when the referendum itself was ultimately undemocratic?

That's another can of worms right there :greengrin

[Fife-Hibee]

That's another can of worms right there :greengrin

Well at least the seagulls won't be going hungry after brexit. :wink:

[Hibernia&Alba]

Well at least the seagulls won't be going hungry after brexit. :wink:

They had better be British seagulls if they want to fish in our waters. We can't trust those European gulls.

[lord bunberry]

Can boris just refuse to ask for an extension?

[Ozyhibby]

Can boris just refuse to ask for an extension?

No, it’s law now. He has to ask for it. The bill even includes the letter he has to give them asking for the extension, so that there is no funny business.
If he refuses he is breaking the law.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

No, it’s law now. He has to ask for it. The bill even includes the letter he has to give them asking for the extension, so that there is no funny business.
If he refuses he is breaking the law.


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He's between a rock and hard place now, having said we will leave on Halloween without a deal if a necessary. His election trap has failed and there doesn't seem any further room for manoeuvre. There is no chance of securing a new deal with the EU at this stage.

[Bristolhibby]

You're right, it does sound bizarre, but British politics is completely bizarre just now, with events nobody dreamed possible before the Brexit vote. Thornbury expresses the dilemma of many pro-Europeans who accept the referendum result must be implemented but think it's a disastrous course of action. That creates a terrible dilemma about what to do: do you stand back and allow something you firmly believe is going to ruin people, or do you refuse to accept a democratic decision of the referendum? What do you do as an elected legislator when you sincerely believe turkeys have voted for Christmas? This dilemma, as we have seen, cuts across party lines and even families. When the country is split down the middle, both sides end up trying to square a circle. On the leave side we've gone from promises of "the easiest trade deal in history" (Michael Gove) to no deal.

Surely you go back to the people with a three way shootoff?

Or you go back with a deal v remain (the only two credible options).

Let’s face facts no deal is not an option. And when the no deal zealots lose the plot you can hit them with their own argument “it didn’t say how we would leave on the ballot. Just In v Out.

Out with a deal is still out. And let’s try and make it cross party without stupid red lines made up by the Tory party.

J

[lapsedhibee]

Toffs fall out:
Soames:
"(Rees-Mogg) is a living example of what a moderately cut double-breasted suit and a decent tie can do with an ultra-posh voice and a bit of ginger stuck up his arse."
This is soooo much better than calling someone a chlorinated chicken.
Soamesy for next PM in November.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Toffs fall out:
Soames:
"(Rees-Mogg) is a living example of what a moderately cut double-breasted suit and a decent tie can do with an ultra-posh voice and a bit of ginger stuck up his arse."
This is soooo much better than calling someone a chlorinated chicken.
Soamesy for next PM in November.

Why would Rees-Mogg have a piece of ginger up his Gary? It must be something those posh types get up to; a lot of them are perverts.

[lapsedhibee]

Why would Rees-Mogg have a piece of ginger up his Gary? It must be something those posh types get up to; a lot of them are perverts.

Perhaps meant in the sense of having been made artificially lively, as done to horses when required to perform in shows, but who knows.

[Jack]

No, it’s law now. He has to ask for it. The bill even includes the letter he has to give them asking for the extension, so that there is no funny business.
If he refuses he is breaking the law.


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I'm sure I've just heard on the news that Boris WILL break the law!

[Ozyhibby]

Even if he does that they can have a VONC and put someone in who will ask for the extension.
It may be in Johnson’s interest to do that, and fight the election as the Brexit martyr.


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[Ozyhibby]

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First poll since this weeks parliament takeover.


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[mjhibby]

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First poll since this weeks parliament takeover.


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We are clearly heading for a hung parliament with the tories losing seats. They will lose at least ten in Scotland,ten in those seats of mps they have deselected,a couple in Wales and also the dup are looking like losing a few too so labour,libdems and snp look like a coalition is there if they want it. Who the leader is is the problem.Funny how this opinion poll isnt splashed across the papers.My worry is it is getting close to desparation for johnson and cummings and they might resort tp desperate measures.

[Cataplana]

Is it a democratic decision, when the referendum itself was ultimately undemocratic?

What do you mean?

[Ozyhibby]

We are clearly heading for a hung parliament with the tories losing seats. They will lose at least ten in Scotland,ten in those seats of mps they have deselected,a couple in Wales and also the dup are looking like losing a few too so labour,libdems and snp look like a coalition is there if they want it. Who the leader is is the problem.Funny how this opinion poll isnt splashed across the papers.My worry is it is getting close to desparation for johnson and cummings and they might resort tp desperate measures.

If Labour are not the largest party again then surely Corbyn steps down? Losing two elections to this Tory party should not be rewarded with the keys to no 10.


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[mjhibby]

If Labour are not the largest party again then surely Corbyn steps down? Losing two elections to this Tory party should not be rewarded with the keys to no 10.


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If only it worked that way.Ideally someone more electorally appealling like keir starmer could take over but momentum run the party so i doubt corbyn will stand down unless the coalition partners insist on someone else. I hope the likes of McConnell can see sense but i wouldn't bet on it.

[G B Young]

Can boris just refuse to ask for an extension?

He's vowed he'd rather be dead in a ditch than do so, so my guess is he'll either refuse (massively controversial and will lead to further legal recourse from the 'chickens' as the legislation forcing him back to Brussels will have Royal Assent by then) or more likely hold nominal talks with the EU and return with a tinkered version of the May deal, which will then be rejected by parliament again - thus giving him further ammo to pelt the 'chickens' with.

[Cataplana]

He's vowed he'd rather be dead in a ditch than do so, so my guess is he'll either refuse (massively controversial and will lead to further legal recourse from the 'chickens' as the legislation forcing him back to Brussels will have Royal Assent by then) or more likely hold nominal talks with the EU and return with a tinkered version of the May deal, which will then be rejected by parliament again - thus giving him further ammo to pelt the 'chickens' with.

Boris has gone back on his word before.

[Cataplana]

Why would Rees-Mogg have a piece of ginger up his Gary? It must be something those posh types get up to; a lot of them are perverts.

Don't know, but that's my weekend sorted!

[Ozyhibby]

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Must be an election on the way.[emoji23]


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[Hibernia&Alba]

Don't know, but that's my weekend sorted!

:hilarious

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[cabbageandribs1875]

i wonder her real reasons for not wanting an election.. :hmmm:


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'kin sickening, and she's not the only one of course

[Moulin Yarns]

6 years is a long time in politics
😁

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10052646/Quitting-the-EU-wont-solve-our-problems-says-Boris-Johnson.html

[GlesgaeHibby]

Rudd resigns Conservative whip...another one gone.

[Fife-Hibee]

https://i.ibb.co/jzVwcwX/britelect.png

[Hibernia&Alba]

Rudd resigns Conservative whip...another one gone.

Unprecedented times. The two party system at Westminster is breaking down day by day; the Tories in particular is morphing in to a hard right party, populated by the likes of Redwood, Duncan-Smith and Rees-Mogg, whilst the centrists are either pushed or jump.

[GORDONSMITH7]

Rudd resigns Conservative whip...another one gone.

Call me cynical, which I am , but she has a wafer thin 346 majority in Hastings over Labour.

BIG G

[Moulin Yarns]

Rudd resigns Conservative whip...another one gone.

Resigns from the party. There is no longer a workable government.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49623737

[Ozyhibby]

Call me cynical, which I am , but she has a wafer thin 346 majority in Hastings over Labour.

BIG G

And says she will stand as an independent. Good news for Labour if she stands against a Tory candidate. No?


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[cabbageandribs1875]

https://i.ibb.co/jzVwcwX/britelect.png


those Con and Lab percentages are astonishing, for the love of god Corbyn GO man, and take yer ex bird and McDonnell with you

[The Harp Awakes]

https://i.ibb.co/jzVwcwX/britelect.png

WTF:confused: The Conservative Government is disintegrating before our very eyes and it has a 14% lead over Labour + 12% for the Brexit party. It's absolutely ******g nuts.

The UK is crashing out on a no deal whatever happens. If it's not 31 October then it will be soon thereafter.

[cabbageandribs1875]

over 5k at the AUOB Cymru march yesterday, particularly liked this banner :thumbsup:


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[Fife-Hibee]

those Con and Lab percentages are astonishing, for the love of god Corbyn GO man, and take yer ex bird and McDonnell with you

Even if Corbyn is replaced with some "moderate", it's not going to make a blind bit of difference. The Lib Dems are not going to back down, they're determined to keep remain voters split between them and Labour. Anything to give way to another Tory majority, or tory/libdem pact.

[GORDONSMITH7]

those Con and Lab percentages are astonishing, for the love of god Corbyn GO man, and take yer ex bird and McDonnell with you

You will a frustrated and dissapointed young person shortly, beleive me.

BIG G

[Ozyhibby]

Even if Corbyn is replaced with some "moderate", it's not going to make a blind bit of difference. The Lib Dems are not going to back down, they're determined to keep remain voters split between them and Labour. Anything to give way to another Tory majority, or tory/libdem pact.

That’s nonsense. Put a moderate in charge of Labour and they will romp the election. The only reason anyone is even remotely considering the Lib Dem’s is because people don’t want Corbyn. They want to stop brexit but can’t control for Corbyn.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/08/brexit-party-farage-seeks-election-pact-with-conservatives?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Brexit/Tory pact? Can’t see it myself but maybe.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

That’s nonsense. Put a moderate in charge of Labour and they will romp the election. The only reason anyone is even remotely considering the Lib Dem’s is because people don’t want Corbyn. They want to stop brexit but can’t control for Corbyn.


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I don't think it's that simple, as Labour voters are deeply divided on Brexit, even if the parliamentary party is overwhelmingly Remain. Conservative voters lean heavily towards Brexit, but the Labour vote is much more balanced, with Labour heartlands in the West Midlands, the north and South Wales amongst the most pro-Brexit regions. The Brexit Party is peeling away support from both Labour and Conservatives, and we seem to be in unknown territory, with the two party system breaking down over the EU issue. This is inevitable really, given the vote was 52-48.

Jeremy Corbyn is actually more ambivalent of the EU than the vast majority of his PLP colleagues, and there is no guarantee that a more centrist pro-European leader would improve the Labour vote, when so many Labour voters want to leave the EU. It's so difficult to make any predictions at the moment. The Tory strategy is to peel off Leave voters from Labour in the traditional Labour heartlands in England and Wales over Brexit, but they too have no guarantee of success, though a pact with the Brexit Party on a firmly Leave ticket in a general election might just see it work. The pro-Remain parties might create an electoral pact of their own to try to win a big Remain majority, perhaps by agreeing to field just one candidate against pro-Brexit Tories in Tory seats.

All the old certainties look broken just now and I wouldn't like to make any predictions. If I were to take a best guess, I think an election today would return another hung parliament and further Brexit stalemate. There seems to be a re-alignment of the party system taking place, and the situation is very fluid.

[Cataplana]

those Con and Lab percentages are astonishing, for the love of god Corbyn GO man, and take yer ex bird and McDonnell with you

The chances of Johnson keeping it together for the duration of an election campaign are close to zero. I will predict that those figures will change very soon.

[Hibernia&Alba]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/08/brexit-party-farage-seeks-election-pact-with-conservatives?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Brexit/Tory pact? Can’t see it myself but maybe.


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With the purging of their pro-European MPs, the Tories are now the Brexit Party in all but name. They are trying to make the Brexit Party irrelevant, but Farage just can't be shaken off. With the direction the Conservatives are taking, a pact could happen.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The chances of Johnson keeping it together for the duration of an election campaign are close to zero. I will predict that those figures will change very soon.

Yes, and the polls also substantially underestimated Labour and Corbyn at the last election. None of them had Labour gaining seats.

[GlesgaeHibby]

The chances of Johnson keeping it together for the duration of an election campaign are close to zero. I will predict that those figures will change very soon.

He's not been able to keep it together this week, and the gap between Labour and Tories has grown. Pretty much everything that could have gone wrong this week for him, has. The problem we've got is those that think everybody is out to get him and stop Brexit. #peoplesprimeminister is trending on Twitter, thanks to idiotic middle England leavers.

[Cataplana]

He's not been able to keep it together this week, and the gap between Labour and Tories has grown. Pretty much everything that could have gone wrong this week for him, has. The problem we've got is those that think everybody is out to get him and stop Brexit. #peoplesprimeminister is trending on Twitter, thanks to idiotic middle England leavers.

A case of people refusing to admit they have been fooled, more than the wishes of an insular, xenophobic, class fixated nation I hope.

If it can be shown that the people who persuaded them to vote that way are nothing more than liars, it could give them a get out of jail card.

Johnson's character will be under the greatest scrutiny ever during a campaign and I think he is too gaffe prone to get away with it.

Bear in mind his party is split, and will not have anything like the control of the media that previous governments have had.

[GlesgaeHibby]

A case of people refusing to admit they have been fooled, more than the wishes of an insular, xenophobic, class fixated nation I hope.

If it can be shown that the people who persuaded them to vote that way are nothing more than liars, it could give them a get out of jail card.

Johnson's character will be under the greatest scrutiny ever during a campaign and I think he is too gaffe prone to get away with it.

Bear in mind his party is split, and will not have anything like the control of the media that previous governments have had.

It has been shown on numerous times that these people are liars (£350m a week, deal will be easy, nobody says we'll be leaving without a deal, in a 52:48 referendum it'll be unfinished business, Turkey joining the EU etc). Bojo was sacked as a journalist for lying. Brexit voters aren't interested in this at all. They are driven by ideology and, in some cases, Xenophobia.

A Brexit MEP interviewed this week suggested the short term pain would be worth it. When asked to define short-term, she said 'for the next 30 years or so'. Brexit really is a staggering act of self harm.

[Cataplana]

It has been shown on numerous times that these people are liars (£350m a week, deal will be easy, nobody says we'll be leaving without a deal, in a 52:48 referendum it'll be unfinished business, Turkey joining the EU etc). Bojo was sacked as a journalist for lying. Brexit voters aren't interested in this at all. They are driven by ideology and, in some cases, Xenophobia.

A Brexit MEP interviewed this week suggested the short term pain would be worth it. When asked to define short-term, she said 'for the next 30 years or so'. Brexit really is a staggering act of self harm.

I was trying to cheer myself up.

[Ozyhibby]

I don't think it's that simple, as Labour voters are deeply divided on Brexit, even if the parliamentary party is overwhelmingly Remain. Conservative voters lean heavily towards Brexit, but the Labour vote is much more balanced, with Labour heartlands in the West Midlands, the north and South Wales amongst the most pro-Brexit regions. The Brexit Party is peeling away support from both Labour and Conservatives, and we seem to be in unknown territory, with the two party system breaking down over the EU issue. This is inevitable really, given the vote was 52-48.

Jeremy Corbyn is actually more ambivalent of the EU than the vast majority of his PLP colleagues, and there is no guarantee that a more centrist pro-European leader would improve the Labour vote, when so many Labour voters want to leave the EU. It's so difficult to make any predictions at the moment. The Tory strategy is to peel off Leave voters from Labour in the traditional Labour heartlands in England and Wales over Brexit, but they too have no guarantee of success, though a pact with the Brexit Party on a firmly Leave ticket in a general election might just see it work. The pro-Remain parties might create an electoral pact of their own to try to win a big Remain majority, perhaps by agreeing to field just one candidate against pro-Brexit Tories in Tory seats.

All the old certainties look broken just now and I wouldn't like to make any predictions. If I were to take a best guess, I think an election today would return another hung parliament and further Brexit stalemate. There seems to be a re-alignment of the party system taking place, and the situation is very fluid.

The Labour vote is no more deeply divided than the Tory vote.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/bf070d47f89733717d186dfdda68b15a.jpg

There is a massive remain vote out there but they won’t vote for Corbyn and they don’t believe the Lib Dem’s can win. A moderate Labour leader could scoop up that vote.


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[Hibrandenburg]

Rudd resigns Conservative whip...another one gone.

Her statement is utterly disingenuous. She's sat and voted in a Tory government that has made diabolical decisions that have had a detrimental impact on the weakest in our society but for her the final straw was the unjust treatment of fellow Tory MP's. Good riddance, but I think we've not seen the last of this egotistical career politician.

[GlesgaeHibby]

The Labour vote is no more deeply divided than the Tory vote.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/bf070d47f89733717d186dfdda68b15a.jpg

There is a massive remain vote out there but they won’t vote for Corbyn and they don’t believe the Lib Dem’s can win. A moderate Labour leader could scoop up that vote.


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The fact that 5% of ukip voters want to remain suggests many are not fit to vote!

[GlesgaeHibby]

I was trying to cheer myself up.

Nothing cheery about this shambles unfortunately. Govt now openly declaring they will 'test' the law once they fail to achieve a deal by Oct 19. In other words, Boris is completely prepared to break the law.

[Cataplana]

Nothing cheery about this shambles unfortunately. Govt now openly declaring they will 'test' the law once they fail to achieve a deal by Oct 19. In other words, Boris is completely prepared to break the law.

I know, and once that has been accepted by "the people", then he can do it whenever he chooses. Any time he doesn't like what parliament tells him he can just ignore it.

I am angry at myself for thinking that anything has changed in the English voters' mindset in the last 40 years. They will continue to self harm at the ballot box, and blame everybody else for their injuries afterwards.

[Curried]

Her statement is utterly disingenuous. She's sat and voted in a Tory government that has made diabolical decisions that have had a detrimental impact on the weakest in our society but for her the final straw was the unjust treatment of fellow Tory MP's. Good riddance, but I think we've not seen the last of this egotistical career politician.

:agree:

The woman's an nasty scheming weasel.
Check her out during the hustings for the last election, trying to stifle some probing questions on her involvement on arm sales to Saudi. Ably assisted by a willing C of E vicar !


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[Bangkok Hibby]

The fact that 5% of ukip voters want to remain suggests many are not fit to vote!

The depths of utter ****wittedness amongst the voting public is so depressing.

[BroxburnHibee]

The Labour vote is no more deeply divided than the Tory vote.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/bf070d47f89733717d186dfdda68b15a.jpg

There is a massive remain vote out there but they won’t vote for Corbyn and they don’t believe the Lib Dem’s can win. A moderate Labour leader could scoop up that vote.


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Yep for the love of god I wish someone like Yvette Cooper or even Starmer would just grab it by the reigns and go for it.

Not that weasel Watson though. Can't stand him.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The Labour vote is no more deeply divided than the Tory vote.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/bf070d47f89733717d186dfdda68b15a.jpg

There is a massive remain vote out there but they won’t vote for Corbyn and they don’t believe the Lib Dem’s can win. A moderate Labour leader could scoop up that vote.


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I don't know what poll that is, but I'm sceptical of the numbers. For a start, I'd be astonished if 32 per cent of Lib Dem voters wanted to leave the EU. The central plank of the Lib Dems is its pro-European credentials; I can't believe one-third of them support Brexit.

I'm very unsure whether a new Labour leader who is more pro-European would get rid of Johnson and be able to resolve the Brexit crisis, when the country is split right down the middle. The situation is so fluid, and it seems the old certainties have gone. Labour are also in a very precarious position: a Remain PLP needs to navigate a policy around a Leave referendum win. They are also suffering some defections from politicians who want a more pro-European policy, but, at the same time, some of the Labour heartland areas are majority Brexit.

The two major parties are both walking a tightrope, and undermining Corbyn yet again could ignite a civil war in the Labour Party akin to the one the Tories are experiencing.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Yep for the love of god I wish someone like Yvette Cooper or even Starmer would just grab it by the reigns and go for it.

Not that weasel Watson though. Can't stand him.

Any challenger to Corbyn would have to beat him in a vote of the Labour membership, and Corbyn has already been elected leader by a huge margin twice.

[Moulin Yarns]

The Labour vote is no more deeply divided than the Tory vote.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/bf070d47f89733717d186dfdda68b15a.jpg

There is a massive remain vote out there but they won’t vote for Corbyn and they don’t believe the Lib Dem’s can win. A moderate Labour leader could scoop up that vote.


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Can't we just use that as the confirmatory second referendum? 😉

51.4% Remain 48.6% Leave

[lapsedhibee]

The fact that 5% of ukip voters want to remain suggests many are not fit to vote!

Maybe it means 5 per cent have changed their mind.

[Smartie]

The Labour vote is no more deeply divided than the Tory vote.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/bf070d47f89733717d186dfdda68b15a.jpg

There is a massive remain vote out there but they won’t vote for Corbyn and they don’t believe the Lib Dem’s can win. A moderate Labour leader could scoop up that vote.


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Some crazy numbers there.

A third of LibDems want to leave?

[G B Young]

The Labour vote is no more deeply divided than the Tory vote.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/bf070d47f89733717d186dfdda68b15a.jpg

There is a massive remain vote out there but they won’t vote for Corbyn and they don’t believe the Lib Dem’s can win. A moderate Labour leader could scoop up that vote.


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As I just posted on the Labour Party thread, the MP John Mann who quit Labour yesterday wrote in his resignation letter: "Anyone who has knocked on doors in Bassetlaw knows there is only one obstacle to winning what should be a landslide at the election and that obstacle is Jeremy Corbyn. I have therefore asked him to resign in order to let the party win power."

[Callum_62]

https://t.co/tuJglrZd1P?amp=1

We really are a joke nation

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[Northernhibee]

Some crazy numbers there.

A third of LibDems want to leave?

More bizarre, 5% of UKIPpers want to remain?

[cabbageandribs1875]

200 pro-brexit marchers, jeezo what a vile violent bunch they are :rolleyes:



https://metro.co.uk/video/pro-brexit-protesters-fight-police-threaten-mps-2001336/?ito=video.desktop.share.top.facebook&fbclid=IwAR1e585ZlDBs4MzFoXYsup65EU5g9IDZsS708G7_Q P739OjWWygz1rAw81g

[Ozyhibby]

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/could-boris-johnson-cut-northern-ireland-loose/amp/?__twitter_impression=true



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[Jack Hackett]

https://t.co/tuJglrZd1P?amp=1

We really are a joke nation

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Proof positive that despotism has become a prime mover in world politics. Up there with Mugabe, Assad, Hussain and more or less the people who succeeded them... not to mention Trump and the GOP. Very dangerous times.

[Colr]

Couple of the points we’ve made here regarding the backstop, customs border in the Irish Sea and the irrelevance of the DUP in the current minority administration being made here:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/could-boris-johnson-cut-northern-ireland-loose/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[cabbageandribs1875]

Mmmm and talking about the DUP....will boris still have to bribe, i mean gift the DUP a few billion for their votes in parliament

[Colr]

Mmmm and talking about the DUP....will boris still have to bribe, i mean gift the DUP a few billion for their votes in parliament

He doesn’t need them any more.

[Bristolhibby]

He doesn’t need them any more.

Under the bus they go.

Reading about a carve out of NI as an answer to the backstop (basically anotherbackstop). But would they have the votes?

J

[cabbageandribs1875]

He doesn’t need them any more.


triffic, at least some money saved that the good tax payer won't have to top up the coffers for

[Hibbyradge]

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/business/pound-drops-to-1-nectar-point-20190909188853

[Moulin Yarns]

I would like to see all opposition parties remain in the commons to continue parliamentary business even if the tories suspend parliament. A sit in if you want, to show Europe that the government are alone in this.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49630094

[Moulin Yarns]

Niche but excited speculation...IF Bercow said he was physically going to stay in his seat and not budge, then Parliament wouldn't be suspended tonight

[Moulin Yarns]

The Speaker John Bercow will make a statement to the House at 3.30pm

[HappyAsHellas]

Bercow standing down.....

[Ozyhibby]

Bercow standing down.....

Labours turn to provide a speaker.


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[Ozyhibby]

Bercow standing down.....

Hope the pick grieve or another Tory rebel. Would mean Tories can’t stand against him.


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[Cataplana]

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/business/pound-drops-to-1-nectar-point-20190909188853

Looks like I'm going to have to cancel that holiday at Sainsbury's this year.

Can things get any worse?

[Peevemor]

Excellent! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/dd076e83e132fabcb58519648ef3ce72.jpg

[Northernhibee]

Excellent! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/dd076e83e132fabcb58519648ef3ce72.jpg

The blonde bombsite out-thought again.

[Peevemor]

Grieve motion passed.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/a0791b028631deaac042cccadf47fcfc.jpg

[Northernhibee]

Grieve motion passed.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/a0791b028631deaac042cccadf47fcfc.jpg

Well, that'll be fascinating and terrifying. Glad we started stockpiling early.

[Callum_62]

This will be very very interesting

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[Moulin Yarns]

DeltaPoll - 2019-09-07
Con: 31%
Lab: 28%
LDem: 17%
BRX: 13%
SNP: 5%
Grn: 4%
UKIP: 1%
PC: 0.5%
CHUK: 0%

Flavible Projection
Con: 299 (-19)
Lab: 233 (-29)
SNP: 54 (+19)
LDem: 41 (+29)
PC: 3 (-1)
BRX: 1 (+1)
Grn: 1 (-)
Changes w/ 2017
https://t.co/vtKeXb1IkN

[Callum_62]

DeltaPoll - 2019-09-07
Con: 31%
Lab: 28%
LDem: 17%
BRX: 13%
SNP: 5%
Grn: 4%
UKIP: 1%
PC: 0.5%
CHUK: 0%

Flavible Projection
Con: 299 (-19)
Lab: 233 (-29)
SNP: 54 (+19)
LDem: 41 (+29)
PC: 3 (-1)
BRX: 1 (+1)
Grn: 1 (-)
Changes w/ 2017
https://t.co/vtKeXb1IkNA lab, SNP, lib Dems are comfortable winners with that poll

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[The Harp Awakes]

DeltaPoll - 2019-09-07
Con: 31%
Lab: 28%
LDem: 17%
BRX: 13%
SNP: 5%
Grn: 4%
UKIP: 1%
PC: 0.5%
CHUK: 0%

Flavible Projection
Con: 299 (-19)
Lab: 233 (-29)
SNP: 54 (+19)
LDem: 41 (+29)
PC: 3 (-1)
BRX: 1 (+1)
Grn: 1 (-)
Changes w/ 2017
https://t.co/vtKeXb1IkN

In normal political times that result would generate a Con/Lib coalition Government but no chance in the current climate.

A Labour/LD/SNP coalition would also seem unlikely unless Corbyn resigned, as the LDs wouldn't work with Corbyn. Also couldn't see the LDs and the SNP as bedfellows.

If Labour managed to get a few more seats in England at the tories expense then a Labour/SNP get together could be on the cards, probably a supply and demand arrangement with indyref2 being a bargaining chip.

[GORDONSMITH7]

In normal political times that result would generate a Con/Lib coalition Government but no chance in the current climate.

A Labour/LD/SNP coalition would also seem unlikely unless Corbyn resigned, as the LDs wouldn't work with Corbyn. Also couldn't see the LDs and the SNP as bedfellows.

If Labour managed to get a few more seats in England at the tories expense then a Labour/SNP get together could be on the cards, probably a supply and demand arrangement with indyref2 being a bargaining chip.

Boris ****ed again. Splendid.

BIG G

[GORDONSMITH7]

Boris ****ed again. Splendid.

BIG G

Boris on feet talking utter *****.

BIG G

[Colr]

In normal political times that result would generate a Con/Lib coalition Government but no chance in the current climate.

A Labour/LD/SNP coalition would also seem unlikely unless Corbyn resigned, as the LDs wouldn't work with Corbyn. Also couldn't see the LDs and the SNP as bedfellows.

If Labour managed to get a few more seats in England at the tories expense then a Labour/SNP get together could be on the cards, probably a supply and demand arrangement with indyref2 being a bargaining chip.

Libs have said they wouldn't form a coalition with anyone but would vite issue by issue. I’d be surprised if the SNP didn’t tske the same stance.

Therefore, minority administrations all round until one of the main parties elects a leader who is plausible!!

[GORDONSMITH7]

Libs have said they wouldn't form a coalition with anyone but would vite issue by issue. I’d be surprised if the SNP didn’t tske the same stance.

Therefore, minority administrations all round until one of the main parties elects a leader who is plausible!!

Disnae stop the Tory Lite Barstewards, with their Tory coalition partners, introducing Austerity measures,including Cabinet member, the hopeless Jo Swinton battering workers and their families,disabled and the most vulnerable in society. Total Tory lite winkers .

BIG G

[Fife-Hibee]

In normal political times that result would generate a Con/Lib coalition Government but no chance in the current climate.

I think quite a number of people are going to be left shocked....... again.

[Cataplana]

A lab, SNP, lib Dems are comfortable winners with that poll

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Labour are going to lose 29 seats though.

[Callum_62]

Labour are going to lose 29 seats though.Doesn't really matter if we end up with a coalition of chaos [emoji23][emoji23]

Imagine how much more chaotic that would've been than the sedate, pragmatic, forward planning Govt we ended up with

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[Cataplana]

Doesn't really matter if we end up with a coalition of chaos [emoji23][emoji23]

Imagine how much more chaotic that would've been than the sedate, pragmatic, forward planning Govt we ended up with

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I see what you mean, and in Newspeak a loss of 29 seats is indeed a victory.

[Callum_62]

I see what you mean, and in Newspeak a loss of 29 seats is indeed a victory.Forming a government is the only victory really

Beit a majority or a minority one

I'm not a Labour voter but its anyone bar the tories for me

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[Cataplana]

Forming a government is the only victory really

Beit a majority or a minority one

I'm not a Labour voter but its anyone bar the tories for me

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It's definitely a defeat for the Tories.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The release of the Yellow Hammer communications and the prorogation documents (well done Dominic Grieve) will be very interesting. If they show that Bozo and his pals have suspended parliament to prevent Brexit scrutiny, rather than their claim of Queen's Speech preparation, it will be shown that Bozo and his ministers misled parliament; and it will have been in vain, as the bill to prevent a no deal Brexit has already passed, meaning it's an issue of whether Bozo will obey the law in the event of no deal. Seven weeks until the Brexit date, yet Bozo suspends parliament for five. A November general election looks certain now.

[G B Young]

Good riddance to Parliament for another few weeks. Even one week of all those torn faces recycling the same arguments over and over again in order to go precisely nowhere was more than enough for now.

[Callum_62]

Good riddance to Parliament for another few weeks. Even one week of all those torn faces recycling the same arguments over and over again in order to go precisely nowhere was more than enough for now.It sldve been 1 week max if the reasons Johnson gave were true

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[JeMeSouviens]

Top trolling from the EU who have just appointed the new Trade Commissioner: Ireland's Phil Hogan. :greengrin

[Northernhibee]

Brexit Ltd. with the fascist getting one HoC seat :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Still more than their dictator/leader has gotten in his entire career.

[G B Young]

Labour too beholden to the unions to be able to offer voters a coherent Brexit strategy:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49646544

[Cataplana]

Labour too beholden to the unions to be able to offer voters a coherent Brexit strategy:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49646544

What's the government of the UK's excuse, after three years' attempting to develop one?

[Ozyhibby]

What's the government of the UK's excuse, after three years' attempting to develop one?

To be fair to Johnson and his Brexit friends, they will go into the election with a very simple and clear message of leaving no matter what. Labour on the other hand will have different policies depending on who is asked and on what day.



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[Bristolhibby]

To be fair to Johnson and his Brexit friends, they will go into the election with a very simple and clear message of leaving no matter what. Labour on the other hand will have different policies depending on who is asked and on what day.



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Another stab at a deal with a further referendum to confirm (remain being on the ballot). Seems clear to me.

J

[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/10/boris-johnson-brexit-theresa-may-withdrawal-agreement?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-09-10/will-boris-johnson-end-up-dumping-the-erg-and-dup-asks-robert-peston/

Articles like this need shared far and wide. Keeps the Brexit Party very much in play for the GE.


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[Cataplana]

To be fair to Johnson and his Brexit friends, they will go into the election with a very simple and clear message of leaving no matter what. Labour on the other hand will have different policies depending on who is asked and on what day.



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Kind of like solving the homeless problem, by saying "there is nowhere for anybody to stay, terrible, but what can you do?"

[G B Young]

Another stab at a deal with a further referendum to confirm (remain being on the ballot). Seems clear to me.

J

It's not that straightforward though is it? What they're saying is that if elected they would negotiate a 'Labour' deal with the EU with a view to then holding a confirmatory referendum - but that the party would still be unable to provide the electorate with a clear stance on Brexit because Corbyn and unions who prop him up are of the view that the large swathes of Labour voting constituencies who voted leave would be lost to the Tories/Brexit Party if they committed to a remain stance (coupled with the fact that Corbyn and Len McCluskey are lifelong Eurosceptic Brexiteers). The likes of Thornberry and McDonnell on the other hand would then campaign against the very deal they'd just negotiated. Hardly a snappy vote-winning strategy.

As Oz says, like him or loathe him, the PM's electoral stance is already nailed down and easy for voters to understand, as is that of the Lib Dems (the only party to actually come out straight and say they want to cancel Brexit completely). Labour on the other hand remain mired in confusion - or dither and delay, as Johnson would say.

[Colr]

Interesting development on the irrelevance of the DUP in a minority’s government we discussed yesterday.

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-09-10/will-boris-johnson-end-up-dumping-the-erg-and-dup-asks-robert-peston/

[Glory Lurker]

Interesting development on the irrelevance of the DUP in a minority’s government we discussed yesterday.

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-09-10/will-boris-johnson-end-up-dumping-the-erg-and-dup-asks-robert-peston/

Lucky Norn Ironers. They voted remain and get to stay in the single market. Lucky England and Wales. They voted leave... acht, everyone knows where I'm going here... :-)

[JeMeSouviens]

Although I understand the argument that Labour’s latest position lacks clarity, I actually think there’s merit in it. Leavers get a chance to put a single achievable deal to the public, Remainers get a guaranteed ref2 with Remain on the ballot.

Difficult messaging to pull off though.

[Ozyhibby]

Although I understand the argument that Labour’s latest position lacks clarity, I actually think there’s merit in it. Leavers get a chance to put a single achievable deal to the public, Remainers get a guaranteed ref2 with Remain on the ballot.

Difficult messaging to pull off though.

It’s all about the messaging. There is no room for nuance in politics just now.
I’ve just finished watching ‘The Loudest Voice’ on SKY and one of the things you notice in American politics is they make sure they have a very simple message and then they hammer that message over and over again. Doesn’t seem to matter if it’s true or workable, so long as the viewer at home thinks it sounds good. Johnson has that, Labour don’t.


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[ballengeich]

It’s all about the messaging. There is no room for nuance in politics just now.
I’ve just finished watching ‘The Loudest Voice’ on SKY and one of the things you notice in American politics is they make sure they have a very simple message and then they hammer that message over and over again. Doesn’t seem to matter if it’s true or workable, so long as the viewer at home thinks it sounds good. Johnson has that, Labour don’t.


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Simplicity isn't enough. It has to pick up a public mood. "Strong and stable" didn't work in 2017.

Johnson as PM gives the other parties an easy target, if they've someone able to take aim.

[Rocky]

If the general election is called after an extension to article 50 has been granted things could get very interesting. With Lib Dems now stating a clear remain position, the leave vote split between Brexit party and Tories, and Labour still trying to straddle the fence, it's perfectly possible that a 30%ish vote share will be enough to win many seats. Lib Dems could conceivably do that in large parts of England by attracting remain voters.

That's my logic behind sticking a tenner on a Lib Dem / SNP coalition government at 50/1 anyway...

[Cataplana]

It's not that straightforward though is it? What they're saying is that if elected they would negotiate a 'Labour' deal with the EU with a view to then holding a confirmatory referendum - but that the party would still be unable to provide the electorate with a clear stance on Brexit because Corbyn and unions who prop him up are of the view that the large swathes of Labour voting constituencies who voted leave would be lost to the Tories/Brexit Party if they committed to a remain stance (coupled with the fact that Corbyn and Len McCluskey are lifelong Eurosceptic Brexiteers). The likes of Thornberry and McDonnell on the other hand would then campaign against the very deal they'd just negotiated. Hardly a snappy vote-winning strategy.

As Oz says, like him or loathe him, the PM's electoral stance is already nailed down and easy for voters to understand, as is that of the Lib Dems (the only party to actually come out straight and say they want to cancel Brexit completely). Labour on the other hand remain mired in confusion - or dither and delay, as Johnson would say.

You make it sound like the electorate isn't intelligent enough to know what it's voting for. 😜

[G B Young]

Although I understand the argument that Labour’s latest position lacks clarity, I actually think there’s merit in it. Leavers get a chance to put a single achievable deal to the public, Remainers get a guaranteed ref2 with Remain on the ballot.

Difficult messaging to pull off though.

Especially when just a day later Tom Watson steps in to contradict their already muddled position:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/10/tom-watson-to-break-labours-uneasy-truce-over-brexit

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9903248/nigel-farage-boris-johnson-election-pact-brexit-2/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Farage names his price. I would think there is no way the Tories can give him that so hopefully he takes the huff and stands candidates everywhere.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Significant news in Edinburgh - Court of Session rules prorogation of Parliament is unlawful. No measure is being made to cancel prorogation - this will go up to the Supreme Court next week.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855

[JeMeSouviens]

Especially when just a day later Tom Watson steps in to contradict their already muddled position:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/10/tom-watson-to-break-labours-uneasy-truce-over-brexit

Yeah, it would be difficult messaging to pull off even if they could all stick to the script for more than 4 or 5 nanoseconds. :rolleyes:

[JeMeSouviens]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9903248/nigel-farage-boris-johnson-election-pact-brexit-2/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Farage names his price. I would think there is no way the Tories can give him that so hopefully he takes the huff and stands candidates everywhere.


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Cummings and Farage have a hate-hate relationship too,

[Ozyhibby]

Significant news in Edinburgh - Court of Session rules prorogation of Parliament is unlawful. No measure is being made to cancel prorogation - this will go up to the Supreme Court next week.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855

Tories should take this all the way to the European court.


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[JeMeSouviens]

tories should take this all the way to the european court.


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lolz

[JeMeSouviens]

Significant news in Edinburgh - Court of Session rules prorogation of Parliament is unlawful. No measure is being made to cancel prorogation - this will go up to the Supreme Court next week.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855

Their lordships of the Inner House manage to spot the bleeding obvious. :wink:



Lord Brodie:


This was an egregious case of a clear failure to comply with generally accepted standards of behaviour of public authorities. The principal reasons for the prorogation were to prevent or impede parliament holding the executive to account and legislating with regard to Brexit, and to allow the executive to pursue a policy of a no deal Brexit without further parliamentary interference.


Lord Carloway:


The true reason for the prorogation was to stymie parliamentary scrutiny of the executive, which was a central pillar of the good governance principle enshrined in the constitution; this followed from the principles of democracy and the rule of law.

[JeMeSouviens]

Ideally now the English Tory press will run a "Jocko judges stole our Brexit" front page and Indy gets another step closer. :wink:

[Moulin Yarns]

Their lordships of the Inner House manage to spot the bleeding obvious. :wink:



Lord Brodie:




Lord Carloway:

I wonder if that is the same Lord Carloway I knew 40+ years ago? He was an old fashioned toff but quite down to earth at the same time.

Just looked him up, must be the son.

[JeMeSouviens]

Tom Newton-Dunn, political journo for the Sun reports:


Sources in No10 now hitting back at the Scottish judges, suggesting they are politically biased: "We note that last week the High Court in London did not rule that prorogation was unlawful. The legal activists choose the Scottish courts for a reason".


Top Unionism there folks :wink::aok:

[Ozyhibby]

Johnson now the first PM in history to be found by a court to have lied to the King or Queen.
I would think that this might turn out to be quite serious.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Johnson now the first PM in history to be found by a court to have lied to the King or Queen.
I would think that this might turn out to be quite serious.


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🙏🤞

[Hibernia&Alba]

Does Westminster need to wait for the Supreme Court ruling before reconvening, or can it sit in the meantime?

[Callum_62]

Does Westminster need to wait for the Supreme Court ruling before reconvening, or can it sit in the meantime?I think it can reconvene but likely to wait until Tuesdays appeal

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[WeeRussell]

Johnson now the first PM in history to be found by a court to have lied to the King or Queen.
I would think that this might turn out to be quite serious.


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Hung for treason? :deal:

[Future17]

Tom Newton-Dunn, political journo for the Sun reports:




Top Unionism there folks :wink::aok:

Perhaps not fully informed either as it makes it sound like the English Court's decision was appealed to the Scottish Court, which isn't what happened...although a cynic may say that could be deliberate.

[BroxburnHibee]

It's likely to be overturned next week though isnt it?

[Jack Hackett]

Hung for treason? :deal:

Being against capital punishment, I feel it would be more appropriate to just bang him in the Tower of London at Her Majies pleasure.

Yet another defeat for the manager of the country. How can he keep his job?

[Hibernia&Alba]

It's likely to be overturned next week though isnt it?

Don't know how likely it is, but Bozo desperately needs that ruling to go his way. Everything is going against him, which is pleasing.

[Ozyhibby]

It's likely to be overturned next week though isnt it?

Not sure, the Supreme Court has to respect Scots law as well. If the evidence is there that Johnson mislead the Queen then I would think they would back up the Scottish court. From what I’ve read this morning, the cases in England and Scotland are not quite the same because the law in Scotland is different. It’s possible that the Supreme Court could uphold the English and Scottish decisions.
Or I could have interpreted that all wrong.[emoji3]


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[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.ft.com/content/11983298-d08e-11e9-99a4-b5ded7a7fe3f?__twitter_impression=true


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[BroxburnHibee]

https://amp.ft.com/content/11983298-d08e-11e9-99a4-b5ded7a7fe3f?__twitter_impression=true


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Can you copy and paste that? Its asking to sign in.

[lapsedhibee]

https://amp.ft.com/content/11983298-d08e-11e9-99a4-b5ded7a7fe3f?__twitter_impression=true


That's behind a paywall, I think, but presumably is about the government's inability to produce anyone willing to swear that Johnson's intentions were good, true etc.

[Ozyhibby]

That's behind a paywall, I think, but presumably is about the government's inability to produce anyone willing to swear that Johnson's intentions were good, true etc.

Yes that’s pretty much it.
This keeps happening to me with the FT links. I open it, read the story, post the link and it doesn’t then work for others and I can’t get back into it either.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-09-11/robert-peston-has-cabinet-yet-been-shown-legal-advice-on-why-closing-parliament-is-allowed/


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[lapsedhibee]

Don't know how likely it is, but Bozo desperately needs that ruling to go his way. Everything is going against him, which is pleasing.

Even his gullible base will give up on him if he's been misling the queen shirley?

[Moulin Yarns]

Signs of the beginning of a climbdown by Boris Johnson on the 21 Tory rebels? The chief whip Mark Spencer has written to some of the rebels outlining the appeals procedure, adding pontedly that future support for the government will be taken into account. Not going down well

[Fife-Hibee]

Brexiteer being torn a new one on Sky News.

[Moulin Yarns]

Unionists have gone Full Froth claiming that the:
"ruling doesnt count because its Scottish courts",
"we wont be told what to do by Scotland",
"ignore these illegal courts."
And every statement further confirms the case for independence.
Magnificent.

[Moulin Yarns]

Tiny point: Scotland was guaranteed a separate, independent judiciary and legal system in 1707. One would hope UK officials, especially ones who claim to support the union, would understand and respect that.

[Fife-Hibee]

Unionists have gone Full Froth claiming that the:
"ruling doesnt count because its Scottish courts",
"we wont be told what to do by Scotland",
"ignore these illegal courts."
And every statement further confirms the case for independence.
Magnificent.

:agree:

Scotland is only part of the "union" when it suits them.

Scottish court system should sue the UK Government for defamation after claiming that their ruling was influenced by political bias.

[Cataplana]

Tiny point: Scotland was guaranteed a separate, independent judiciary and legal system in 1707. One would hope UK officials, especially ones who claim to support the union, would understand and respect that.

If Johnny English had been able to understand these simplest of nuances the Union would never have been under threat.

In my life, it has been the repeated failure of England to recognise us as partners with rights, rather than as a northern offshoot of their country, that has irked the most.

[Ozyhibby]

Demographic changes in NI starting to show now.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/fca95352a4577c1a119298dedd105f98.jpg


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[Hibernia&Alba]

Demographic changes in NI starting to show now.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/fca95352a4577c1a119298dedd105f98.jpg


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https://youtu.be/kAeEJ3a2yt0

[JeMeSouviens]

Demographic changes in NI starting to show now.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/fca95352a4577c1a119298dedd105f98.jpg


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It's partly the demographics and partly that the "unaligned" switch sides in the event of a hard or no deal Brexit from favouring the UK to favouring a UI.

[weecounty hibby]

Ideally now the English Tory press will run a "Jocko judges stole our Brexit" front page and Indy gets another step closer. :wink:

That was just about my first thought when I heard the decision. Get rid of those uppity Jocks Boris!!

[Callum_62]

When have the Govt to release the Yellowhammer docs?

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[DaveF]

When have the Govt to release the Yellowhammer docs?

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I thought it was 11pm tonight but that might have been one of the other things.

[lapsedhibee]

Kwasi Kwarteng embarrassing himself on Andrew Neil. Is he really the best stooge the government can put up?

[Pretty Boy]

I love the increasingly contradictory positions some people are being forced to take. The same people desperate to get out of the EU so we can 'take back control of our laws' are now declaring the British legal system as 'unfit for purpose' because a Scots Court has made a decision they disagree with.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Government says it will defy Commons vote to release communications concerning prorogation. Another mess.

[Ryan91]

Government says it will defy Commons vote to release communications concerning prorogation. Another mess.

Surely if they had nothing to hide and if this was all above board like they claim it is, they'd be more than willing to release them.

[Cataplana]

Government says it will defy Commons vote to release communications concerning prorogation. Another mess.

We're into Watergate territory now. How long till Boris cones on and tells us he's not a crook?

[JeMeSouviens]

Kwasi Kwarteng embarrassing himself on Andrew Neil. Is he really the best stooge the government can put up?

His some-people-but-not-me comments about the judiciary were an absolute disgrace.

[Mr Grieves]

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1171857956935294977?s=21

So that's the yellowhammer document published, a summary-

The U.K will be more badly affected than the EU.
Delays for vehicles and people at borders.
Electricity price increases.
Medical supply shortages.
Potential increase of zoonotic diseases which can affect food supply chain, animal welfare and human health.
Food price increases and reduced choice of fresh food.
Potential for clean drinking water to be affected.
No more free healthcare in EU countries.
Gibraltar completely ****ed.
Protests, public disorder and community tensions that'll take up a significant amount of police time.
Job losses.
Fuel shortages and price increases.
Northern Ireland ****ed.
Increase in black market economy.
Unable to patrol fishing waters so EU vessels can fish illegally in our waters, causing further tensions.
Social care providers going bust due to lack of EU workers.
"Low income groups will be disproportionately affected..."

And our government are happy for this to happen to us, tories eh.

[lapsedhibee]

His some-people-but-not-me comments about the judiciary were an absolute disgrace.

:agree: Was like watching a dumbed-down McCoist.

[JeMeSouviens]

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1171857956935294977?s=21

So that's the yellowhammer document published, a summary-

The U.K will be more badly affected than the EU.
Delays for vehicles and people at borders.
Electricity price increases.
Medical supply shortages.
Potential increase of zoonotic diseases which can affect food supply chain, animal welfare and human health.
Food price increases and reduced choice of fresh food.
Potential for clean drinking water to be affected.
No more free healthcare in EU countries.
Gibraltar completely ****ed.
Protests, public disorder and community tensions that'll take up a significant amount of police time.
Job losses.
Fuel shortages and price increases.
Northern Ireland ****ed.
Increase in black market economy.
Unable to patrol fishing waters so EU vessels can fish illegally in our waters, causing further tensions.
Social care providers going bust due to lack of EU workers.
"Low income groups will be disproportionately affected..."

And our government are happy for this to happen to us

They are actively trying to make this happen to us. It’s just incredible.

[Ryan91]

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1171857956935294977?s=21

So that's the yellowhammer document published, a summary-

The U.K will be more badly affected than the EU.
Delays for vehicles and people at borders.
Electricity price increases.
Medical supply shortages.
Potential increase of zoonotic diseases which can affect food supply chain, animal welfare and human health.
Food price increases and reduced choice of fresh food.
Potential for clean drinking water to be affected.
No more free healthcare in EU countries.
Gibraltar completely ****ed.
Protests, public disorder and community tensions that'll take up a significant amount of police time.
Job losses.
Fuel shortages and price increases.
Northern Ireland ****ed.
Increase in black market economy.
Unable to patrol fishing waters so EU vessels can fish illegally in our waters, causing further tensions.
Social care providers going bust due to lack of EU workers.
"Low income groups will be disproportionately affected..."

And our government are happy for this to happen to us, tories eh.

Interesting tweet from Journalist at Sunday Times on differences between this version and the version they got their hands on a while back

https://twitter.com/RosamundUrwin/status/1171864228879372289

[heretoday]

It's likely to be overturned next week though isnt it?

Yup. The Supreme Court may dispense with the Gina Miller appeal at the same time.

[Glory Lurker]

Yup. The Supreme Court may dispense with the Gina Miller appeal at the same time.

Why is it likely to be overturned?

[cabbageandribs1875]

22512


:hilarious

[BroxburnHibee]

22512


:hilarious

Sadly that sentiment is only gonna get worse. I fear the coming months.

[Future17]

22512


:hilarious

"Authors for Brexit" - too busy writing, not enough reading. :greengrin

[Jack]

22512


:hilarious

Couldn't agree more.

We should let the English voters have and vote in Indyref2!!!

[G B Young]

Why is it likely to be overturned?

It's not certain to be overturned but the High Court were pretty clear in dismissing the Gina Miller case last week by stating that this was not a matter for the courts, so the Supreme Court will take that into consideration along with the fact the the Court of Session in Scotland initially dismissed the parliamentarians' case before their successful appeal.

[The Harp Awakes]

It's not certain to be overturned but the High Court were pretty clear in dismissing the Gina Miller case last week by stating that this was not a matter for the courts, so the Supreme Court will take that into consideration along with the fact the the Court of Session in Scotland initially dismissed the parliamentarians' case before their successful appeal.

Yes, but the decision made in Edinburgh yesterday was by an appeal court and outranks the decision made by the English High Court. Also the fact the appeals court decision was unanimous by the 3 judges is significant.

I think next week's verdict is in the balance. Could go either way.

[G B Young]

Yes, but the decision made in Edinburgh yesterday was by an appeal court and outranks the decision made by the English High Court. Also the fact the appeals court decision was unanimous by the 3 judges is significant.

I think next week's verdict is in the balance. Could go either way.

I agree. I was just pointing out that there are a lot of conflicting views for them to weigh up, although yesterday's appeal decision undoubtedly gives them a lot more to think about. By rejecting the Government's appeal they would be opening up a new political chapter whereby any controversial government decision is likely be challenged in the courts so that may weigh on their minds. On that basis my instinct is that they'll overturn yesterday's decision but I really have no idea how it will play out.

[danhibees1875]

They are actively trying to make this happen to us. It’s just incredible.

People want it to happen onto themselves... :rolleyes:

[Smartie]

His some-people-but-not-me comments about the judiciary were an absolute disgrace.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49669266

I only saw this brief snippet of it, and I'll admit that I was looking to be enraged but I don't have much of a problem with what he says.

He doesn't call into question the integrity of the judges himself but he says that many people up and down the country ARE questioning them, which is true.

[JeMeSouviens]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49669266

I only saw this brief snippet of it, and I'll admit that I was looking to be enraged but I don't have much of a problem with what he says.

He doesn't call into question the integrity of the judges himself but he says that many people up and down the country ARE questioning them, which is true.

It's the classic way of saying something (judges are interfering in politics for biased reasons) while weaseling out of taking responsibility for saying it. Trump does it all the time.

Edit: eg.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/762781826549030912?

[Moulin Yarns]

A bit of financial advice in the event of deal or no deal from Martin Lewis

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/brexit-what-it-means-for-you/

[Hibernia&Alba]

22512


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These people say we must leave the EU so 'not to be ruled by foreign courts', but are outraged when UK courts make a ruling. No doubt The Daily Mail has called the judges 'enemies of the people'.

[Moulin Yarns]

These people say we must leave the EU so 'not to be ruled by foreign courts', but are outraged when UK courts make a ruling. No doubt The Daily Mail has called the judges 'enemies of the people'.

I rarely look at the Scotsman nowadays, but

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/brexit-judges-who-ruled-against-parliament-s-suspension-are-heroes-of-the-people-scotsman-leader-comment-1-5002607

[G B Young]

Now the High Court in Belfast muddies the waters further by dismissing a No Deal legal challenge:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49676133

[G B Young]

I rarely look at the Scotsman nowadays, but

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/brexit-judges-who-ruled-against-parliament-s-suspension-are-heroes-of-the-people-scotsman-leader-comment-1-5002607

Barely anyone looks at the Scotsman these days. Sales are negligible and it's run by a skeleton staff out of a single floor office at Orchard Brae. Sad times for a once influential Scottish institution.

Having come out strongly in favour of the Union in 2014 it's now attempting to hitch itself to the independence cause in the hope it can pick up a few readers.

[Moulin Yarns]

Barely anyone looks at the Scotsman these days. Sales are negligible and it's run by a skeleton staff out of a single floor office at Orchard Brae. Sad times for a once influential Scottish institution.

Having come out strongly in favour of the Union in 2014 it's now attempting to hitch itself to the independence cause in the hope it can pick up a few readers.

I'll have to take a look at it, always seen it as right leaning in its editorial content.

[Bristolhibby]

It's the classic way of saying something (judges are interfering in politics for biased reasons) while weaseling out of taking responsibility for saying it. Trump does it all the time.

Edit: eg.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/762781826549030912?

Was going to mention Trump.

It’s a way of saying something and getting the message out to your audience without saying it.

J

[SHODAN]

Who'd have thought that the best way to run a country was simply to ignore the law.

[Moulin Yarns]

Take a look at ⚫ Ross M, QC. #FBPE #RevokeA50 (@LeaveNowRemain): https://twitter.com/LeaveNowRemain?s=09


I apologise profusely to everyone for voting leave in 2016.

I did not sign up for this ****.

And I want #Brexit to stop now.

#RevokeA50Now @BorisJohnson.

#Yellowhammer is an astounding, critical & deeply concerning read.

Why put the UK through this?

Glad I'm @RemainerNow

[Moulin Yarns]

Twitter is hilarious with all the expert opinions

Some hot legal takes from the Brexit supporters group https://t.co/NvEMCzhPP4

[JeMeSouviens]

Twitter is hilarious with all the expert opinions

Some hot legal takes from the Brexit supporters group https://t.co/NvEMCzhPP4

:greengrin

That's the thing about all the "federal solution" chat as a long term constitutional future for Scotland in the UK. It sounds good in theory, but if Scotland had anything remotely approaching the normal powers of a federal state the English nationalist toys would come out the pram big time.

[Smartie]

It's the classic way of saying something (judges are interfering in politics for biased reasons) while weaseling out of taking responsibility for saying it. Trump does it all the time.

Edit: eg.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/762781826549030912?


Was going to mention Trump.

It’s a way of saying something and getting the message out to your audience without saying it.

J

I do hear exactly what you are both saying, but my interpretation upon seeing the clip is that he is being genuine. Trump is disingenuous by nature and he does this sort of thing a lot.

Whilst we're talking about calling professional integrity into doubt, should we not be prepared to give an elected politician the benefit of the doubt, especially when what he is saying is true? He is quite emphatic that this is not the point he is making but it would be wrong in that context not to point out that people (especially across England) are calling into question the integrity of the judges?

[JeMeSouviens]

I do hear exactly what you are both saying, but my interpretation upon seeing the clip is that he is being genuine. Trump is disingenuous by nature and he does this sort of thing a lot.

Whilst we're talking about calling professional integrity into doubt, should we not be prepared to give an elected politician the benefit of the doubt, especially when what he is saying is true? He is quite emphatic that this is not the point he is making but it would be wrong in that context not to point out that people (especially across England) are calling into question the integrity of the judges?

I expect you are being the Devil's Avocado ... but, nah. I saw the clip live and my impression was that he was being a weaselly *****bag.

Cummings is leafing his way through the Trump playbook and any Tory minister agreeing to do tv at the moment is clearly under its instruction.

[southfieldhibby]

It's not certain to be overturned but the High Court were pretty clear in dismissing the Gina Miller case last week by stating that this was not a matter for the courts, so the Supreme Court will take that into consideration along with the fact the the Court of Session in Scotland initially dismissed the parliamentarians' case before their successful appeal.

I read somewhere that the Supreme court can hear an appeal of a decision by the court of session, but the appeal has be considered on the basis of Scottish law? And the fact the 'lie' was told in Scotland also weighs heavily on the basis of the appeal?

[JeMeSouviens]

I read somewhere that the Supreme court can hear an appeal of a decision by the court of session, but the appeal has be considered on the basis of Scottish law? And the fact the 'lie' was told in Scotland also weighs heavily on the basis of the appeal?

:agree:

Aiui the Supreme Court is sitting as a Scottish Court when it hears an appeal from the CoS.

Mind you, on Tuesday they're supposed to be considering the English and Scottish cases (and possibly the NI one as well) so not sure how that works?

The fact that the lie was told in Scotland shouldn't matter though. The Westminster parliament is the Union parliament (no laughing at the back) so it is theoretically subject to both Scots and English law.

[lapsedhibee]

I do hear exactly what you are both saying, but my interpretation upon seeing the clip is that he is being genuine.

Seriously.

[Moulin Yarns]

We’ve always asked, would England be happy to stay in the union if the UKs Parliament was in Scotland and we called the shots?
One court decision is all it took to show how they really see the union.

The original tweet


https://twitter.com/proindygers/status/1172066774814273536?s=19

[Cataplana]

Just seen a cracker on HIGNFY .

Operation Yellowhammer is an anagram of Orwell Mayhem.

(If you want a vision of the future....)

[degenerated]

These people say we must leave the EU so 'not to be ruled by foreign courts', but are outraged when UK courts make a ruling. No doubt The Daily Mail has called the judges 'enemies of the people'.Not quite but they have a story on how one likes jazz, one is a francophile and the other ruled in favour of Europe once.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190912/9f8df6a30a8a6bc195342b7892dfa546.jpg

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[Moulin Yarns]

Not quite but they have a story on how one likes jazz, one is a francophile and the other ruled in favour of Europe once.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190912/9f8df6a30a8a6bc195342b7892dfa546.jpg

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What do they expect? *jazz hands *

[lapsedhibee]

Twitter is hilarious with all the expert opinions

Some hot legal takes from the Brexit supporters group https://t.co/NvEMCzhPP4
:greengrin