Brexit - What Now.

[Ozyhibby]

I voted to Remain but what would you like Labour to do? Organise another referendum and then begin negotiations with the EU if the answer comes back we want to rejoin the EU.

I would certainly be happy with a further referendum and I think the EU would take up back (I think)

Join the SM and CU? We didn’t vote to leave that.


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[Hibrandenburg]

Join the SM and CU? We didn’t vote to leave that.


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Freedom of movement would be a requirement of joining the SM. Not sure Labour would have the cahoonas to try and reintroduce that.

[grunt]

I voted to Remain but what would you like Labour to do? Organise another referendum and then begin negotiations with the EU if the answer comes back we want to rejoin the EU.

I would certainly be happy with a further referendum and I think the EU would take up back (I think)As pointed out below, the previous referendum never mentioned SM or CU. What do I want Labour to do? What the bloody Tories should have done, explain clearly to the country the manifest benefits of being in the EU and commence negotiations with Brussels immediately to get back in. We have a representative democracy and it seems clear (to me at least) that the last referendum was subject to external influence. So, no referendum, JFDI.

[grunt]

Freedom of movement would be a requirement of joining the SM. Not sure Labour would have the cahoonas to try and reintroduce that.
This is indeed the flaw in my argument. Starmer lacks the courage.

[Stairway 2 7]

I'd put Labour's chance of winning the next election with rejoin on the manifesto against tories and reform as literally about 5%. I know many on here think Tory/reform will win next so I'm sure they agree with that.

Immigration is going to be the biggest factor in many European elections going forward. To bring in free movement would be suicide and EU would require that. I think the only hope is closer alignment.

[grunt]

Immigration is going to be the biggest factor in many European elections going forward. To bring in free movement would be suicide and EU would require that. I think the only hope is closer alignment.
Oh you mean we're going to become like the US and stop all immigration? F that.

[Smartie]

I'd put Labour's chance of winning the next election with rejoin on the manifesto against tories and reform as literally about 5%. I know many on here think Tory/reform will win next so I'm sure they agree with that.

Immigration is going to be the biggest factor in many European elections going forward. To bring in free movement would be suicide and EU would require that. I think the only hope is closer alignment.

I don’t disagree but it’s utterly depressing that we’ll be choosing toughness on immigration over prosperity.

[Stairway 2 7]

Oh you mean we're going to become like the US and stop all immigration? F that.

I never said anything like that. We had 800,000 net migration 2 years ago almost 700,000 last year. Migration exploded post brexit but now it's not free movement they need to earn a certain amount ect. We'll not stop immigration even with the tightening expected ons expect above 300k net per year going forward.

The point is look all over Europe and parties are gaining on anti immigration. Reform and tories will put it front and centre. I genuinely think Labour have no chance winning with brexit on the ticket. Maybe if tories were sensible or Farage wasn't getting all the media he wanted. Independence will be the only chance but that is a distance away also

[Ozyhibby]

No party is getting elected without a promise to lower immigration any time soon.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Brexit benefit? 🤔

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/its-a-mess-small-businesses-hit-out-at-eu-red-tape-set-to-cost-thousands/

I'm aware of loads of small craft businesses who are having to stop selling to the EU and NI because of this.

[grunt]

Brexit benefit? 🤔

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/its-a-mess-small-businesses-hit-out-at-eu-red-tape-set-to-cost-thousands/

I'm aware of loads of small craft businesses who are having to stop selling to the EU and NI because of this.Just how long is Starmer going to ignore this?

[Hiber-nation]

Just how long is Starmer going to ignore this?

As long as the Daily Mail exists.

[grunt]

Another Brexit benefit!!

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[Ozyhibby]

Another Brexit benefit!!

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And it’s Starmer’s Brexit now. He’s going to start whining soon about how hard it is to get growth while totally ignoring the biggest source of it.


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[CropleyWasGod]

Another Brexit benefit!!

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Don't they do digital?

Or.... my ignorance here.... is that not possible?

[Jones28]

Don't they do digital?

Or.... my ignorance here.... is that not possible?

My old job used to involve some transfers of material from us to Denmark and I know every shipment had to have physical paperwork go with it.

[Jack]

Don't they do digital?

Or.... my ignorance here.... is that not possible?

I'm sure the torys tried to but I don't think anyone (well any of their donors or friends) was able to come up with anything that worked and/or was acceptable to the EU.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Marks and Spencer opens warehouse to store Brexit paperwork (https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/business-economics/marks-and-spencer-open-warehouse-to-store-brexit-paperwork-387243/)

Marks and Spencer has been forced to hire a warehouse to store post-Brexit paperwork needed for exports to the Republic of Ireland.
The retailer has 16 stores in the Republic and also sells products at some Applegreen petrol forecourts.





It has resulted in a deluge of paper forms needed to ship goods into the EU after Britain left the customs union in 2020.


Shortly after the UK’s split with the EU, Marks and Spencer revealed that Brexit was costing the company over £16 million in tariffs, administration and supply chain expenses.
The supermarket and clothing chain published the figures as part of its annual financial results document, titled “Never The Same Again – Forging A Reshaped M&S”.




M&S pointed to supply chain costs at the Motherwell depot, for exports to Ireland, and Faversham depot for exports to the EU.
Costs associated to the digital track and trace platform, additional variable cost per tray, veterinary certification costs and one-off costs of change were also cited in the report, as were tariffs related to duty on exports of Clothing & Home and elements of the Food catalogue into the EU.
In addition, the Group saw adverse trade impacts including the restriction of trade on certain products, port delays and increased operational complexity reducing availability.

[Andy Bee]

UK have joined the CPTPP........The Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

Members are Canada, Mexico, Chile, Japan, Vietnam, Australia, Brunei, Malaysia, New Zealand, Peru and now UK with China also submitting a formal application.

That'll sort Brexit out.

[Hibrandenburg]

UK have joined the CPTPP........The Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

Members are Canada, Mexico, Chile, Japan, Vietnam, Australia, Brunei, Malaysia, New Zealand, Peru and now UK with China also submitting a formal application.

That'll sort Brexit out.

Cool, do we have free movement of people and can our kids study or work there?

[Stairway 2 7]

Cool, do we have free movement of people and can our kids study or work there?

I wouldn't want free movement with all them, although we do have under 30s free movement with Australia, Canada and new Zealand. Prefer a points system, seeing as we had net migration of 2 million over 3 years.

[grunt]

I wouldn't want free movement with all them, although we do have under 30s free movement with Australia, Canada and new Zealand. Prefer a points system, seeing as we had net migration of 2 million over 3 years.
I took the train from Edinburgh to London last week. For pretty much 90% of the journey, there were fields outside the window. We've plenty room in this country for more immigrants.

[Stairway 2 7]

I took the train from Edinburgh to London last week. For pretty much 90% of the journey, there were fields outside the window. We've plenty room in this country for more immigrants.

I literally said I want immigration, we need it. But we can be picky only Canada and Iceland had more immigration per head in the oecd. We have massive immigration and we can have a points system rather than free movement. I'd obviously take in refugees but I'd rather have a student or an architect from Pakistan than a unemployed person from Spain.

Did you see many empty houses or just fields, as i don't want the immigrants in tents and we've the least spare homes of any oecd nation, hence our house prices

How about empty hospitals as the incompetent parties aren't increasing bed space in line with immigration

I'm all for immigration in fact we depend on it but we need to build the services in line with our massive immigration

[grunt]

I'd obviously take in refugees but I'd rather have a student or an architect from Pakistan than a unemployed person from Spain.

I'm all for immigration in fact we depend on it but we need to build the services in line with our massive immigration
But ...

[Stairway 2 7]

But ...

Eh

[grunt]

Eh
Your intentions all seem to be conditional. It's an easy stance to take.

[Stairway 2 7]

Your intentions all seem to be conditional. It's an easy stance to take.

It's called nuance. I'm sure 20 million would come here per year if we didn't have restrictions, rather that the 1 plus million that came last year. We are fortunate that we can put in restrictions and that is entirely sensible, I don't think many people would disagree with that. Would you have no restrictions?

I think a net of say 600k is sensible enough if we increased our housing and services at the same pace of course, which we aren't.

[grunt]

It's called nuance. I'm sure 20 million would come here per year if we didn't have restrictions ...Source for this estimate?

[Ozyhibby]

Source for this estimate?

I’d think a lot more than that would come without restrictions. And that goes for most developed countries.


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[Colr]

It's called nuance. I'm sure 20 million would come here per year if we didn't have restrictions, rather that the 1 plus million that came last year. We are fortunate that we can put in restrictions and that is entirely sensible, I don't think many people would disagree with that. Would you have no restrictions?

I think a net of say 600k is sensible enough if we increased our housing and services at the same pace of course, which we aren't.

Wasn’t that high when we were in Schengen.

Though the right-wing rhetoric is divisive and self-serving, they touch on the route of the problem which, I think, was Germany and France taking open borders as a big revenue saving and pocketing the cash rather than appreciating that they still had a border to protect but it was in the Mediterranean and in Turkey where they should have diverted resources ( as should we when we where in - though now we’re spending a fortune on our own borders)

[Bristolhibby]

I literally said I want immigration, we need it. But we can be picky only Canada and Iceland had more immigration per head in the oecd. We have massive immigration and we can have a points system rather than free movement. I'd obviously take in refugees but I'd rather have a student or an architect from Pakistan than a unemployed person from Spain.

Did you see many empty houses or just fields, as i don't want the immigrants in tents and we've the least spare homes of any oecd nation, hence our house prices

How about empty hospitals as the incompetent parties aren't increasing bed space in line with immigration

I'm all for immigration in fact we depend on it but we need to build the services in line with our massive immigration

Until we (the people) and the politicians are honest and admit we are an aging population that NEEDS immigration all this will be a moot point.

Putting arbitrary numbers on net migration is useless unless that number is increasing.

I’m 44. Who’s going to pay for my pension come 2050? We simply aren’t replacing ourselves anymore.

We need a mass building programme that looks 20, 30, 50 years into the future and is funded for 50 years. Work is there, finance is there, people want to come in. Get them building infrastructure, paying taxes, spending in shops. Thats real trickle down. But it involves smashing the capitalist land grab. They don’t need or have to have billions in wealth. Wealth needs to be productive. Sitting in a hedge fund or in foreign assets does not benefit this country.

But nobody is talking about that and all our problems are cause of brown people in boats.

J

[lapsedhibee]

Until we (the people) and the politicians are honest and admit we are an aging population that NEEDS immigration all this will be a moot point.

Putting arbitrary numbers on net migration is useless unless that number is increasing.

I’m 44. Who’s going to pay for my pension come 2050? We simply aren’t replacing ourselves anymore.

We need a mass building programme that looks 20, 30, 50 years into the future and is funded for 50 years. Work is there, finance is there, people want to come in. Get them building infrastructure, paying taxes, spending in shops. Thats real trickle down. But it involves smashing the capitalist land grab. They don’t need or have to have billions in wealth. Wealth needs to be productive. Sitting in a hedge fund or in foreign assets does not benefit this country.

But nobody is talking about that and all our problems are cause of brown people in boats.

J
Wasn't Musk offering an impregnation service to childless ladies on X, formerly twitter, the other month? Perhaps his new best bud Farage could make a similar gesture in the UK?

[Bostonhibby]

Wasn't Musk offering an impregnation service to childless ladies on X, formerly twitter, the other month? Perhaps his new best bud Farage could make a similar gesture in the UK?Perhaps he could just impregnate Farage?

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[wookie70]

Perhaps he could just impregnate Farage?

Sent from my SM-A750FN using Tapatalk I was going to say they in a less polite way but Farage and Musk can both go an impregnate themselves

[Bostonhibby]

I was going to say they in a less polite way but Farage and Musk can both go an impregnate themselvesWorks for me.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

:hilarious england is closing down https://www.facebook.com/reel/1940579099787389


splashyland :faf:

[grunt]

Brexit is rubbish for small UK exporters

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[Moulin Yarns]

Brexit is rubbish for small UK exporters

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Even worse now with GPSR. The amount of red tape and the need to employ someone in the EU to be first contact to check safety requirements. In my case, knitting yarn has no issues but is still required 'risk assessment ' and other stuff.

[grunt]

Even worse now with GPSR. The amount of red tape and the need to employ someone in the EU to be first contact to check safety requirements. In my case, knitting yarn has no issues but is still required 'risk assessment ' and other stuff.A lot of my musician friends seem to have given up exporting to the EU (e.g. from Bandcamp). It's just too difficult.

[Ozyhibby]

A lot of my musician friends seem to have given up exporting to the EU (e.g. from Bandcamp). It's just too difficult.

You can see it in the quality of acts you get in the likes of Tenerife. Standard way down since brexit. Just too hard for young ones to get the necessary paperwork.
The Irish are doing well out of it though.


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[grunt]

You can see it in the quality of acts you get in the likes of Tenerife. Standard way down since brexit. Just too hard for young ones to get the necessary paperwork.
The Irish are doing well out of it though.
Thanks for this, I wouldn't know. But to be clear I was talking about UK based musicians sending vinyl, CDs and merchandise to the EU.

[grunt]

Stella Creasey is the National Chair for the Labour Movement for Europe.

She wrote this in an article yesterday:

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[Moulin Yarns]

Thanks for this, I wouldn't know. But to be clear I was talking about UK based musicians sending vinyl, CDs and merchandise to the EU.

Yeah, export of goods, even digital content is now so complicated and difficult, and expensive to the makers in the UK because of the new GPSR that so many of my friends in the craft community have had to stop selling to the EU,including Northern Ireland.

In a way I'm fortunate in that over 95% of my sales are in person and I don't rely on web sales.

Every different product needs separate paperwork, and labels in the language of the country you are exporting to. It's mental!

[Ozyhibby]

Thanks for this, I wouldn't know. But to be clear I was talking about UK based musicians sending vinyl, CDs and merchandise to the EU.

I have simple tastes on my hols. A bit of Sun, cheap beer and a half decent act with a guitar belting out some pretty basic hits. Quality has dropped on the last bit.


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[grunt]

A reminder of the BBC role in this mess

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[grunt]

A Christmas tip:

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[Hibrandenburg]

A Christmas tip:

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I'm now wishing I had a Brexiter in my family so I could give them that.

[grunt]

Getting Brexit done the Telegraph way

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[lapsedhibee]

Getting Brexit done the Telegraph way

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We need to become Canada?

[Jack]

Can we thank Brexit for not being subject to the loathed tethered bottle cap?

If only we were free to make our own bad decisions 😆

Or in the club to influence whether we wanted Irn Bru running down our chin(s).

[cabbageandribs1875]

jesus wept, Dim ***** Lizzie

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[JimBHibees]

A reminder of the BBC role in this mess

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Which is the continued editorial policy now

[Ozyhibby]

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Only 6 months to go until we find out if Daniel Hannan was right.


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[Andy Bee]

In reality we have this.............https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1877760459924807807 :faf:

[grunt]

In reality we have this.............https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1877760459924807807 :faf:
That's a joke, right?

[Kato]

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Only 6 months to go until we find out if Daniel Hannan was right.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkDon't worry some of our higher placed journalists will conduct in depth interviews with him and hold him, and his brexity chums, to account.

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[Andy Bee]

That's a joke, right?

I've no idea, he's certainly going all in but who knows what's real or not in British politics at the moment. :dunno:

https://x.com/Cobratate

[Hibrandenburg]

In reality we have this.............https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1877760459924807807 :faf:

You laugh, but that's exactly the kind of thing we're in for once Farage and Co fall from grace. Every time the far right reform themselves it will be further right than before.

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.sky.com/story/bluesky-13288423


100% tax for non eu residents in Spain.


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[MKHIBEE]

https://news.sky.com/story/bluesky-13288423


100% tax for non eu residents in Spain.


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Known as a “ Brexit benefit”.

[CropleyWasGod]

https://news.sky.com/story/bluesky-13288423


100% tax for non eu residents in Spain.


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Known as a “ Brexit benefit”.

"The chances of the proposal becoming law are limited because Mr Sanchez faces a constant struggle to earn the votes he needs to reach a majority in Spain's divided parliament."

[Stairway 2 7]

Can't see it Happening as Sanches is crawling along to the election in two years, due to his families scandals and a split parliament. Does show how isolated brexiteers have made the nation though.

[Bostonhibby]

Known as a “ Brexit benefit”.All brexiteers will understand putting EU nationals first. Last thing they want is foreigners getting equal rights and access.

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[MKHIBEE]

All brexiteers will understand putting EU nationals first. Last thing they want is foreigners getting equal rights and access.

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God bless them and their unselfish ways

[Bristolhibby]

Heard this one today.

Milan can only sign one of Marcus Rashford or Kyle Walker, owing to a new Serie A rule relating to Brexit where clubs are only allowed to register one British player per transfer window. Walker is seen as the more likely deal, partly due to Rashford’s wages at Manchester United, with Zlatan Ibrahimovic one of the Milan officials expected to meet with the Manchester City right-back this week.

[Andy Bee]

https://news.sky.com/story/bluesky-13288423


100% tax for non eu residents in Spain.


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France, Portugal and Greece apparently thinking along the same lines. Portugal was one of the last European countries who were relatively easy to retire to with the Golden Visa system but that's gone now and it looks like it's going to become impossible to retire to anywhere with a decent climate soon. Cyprus and Turkey I think are still possible. I think Spain is still £2600 a month income from outwith Spain is needed but with this property tax renting will be the only option I suppose. Ahh well, Scotland it is.

[Stairway 2 7]

France, Portugal and Greece apparently thinking along the same lines. Portugal was one of the last European countries who were relatively easy to retire to with the Golden Visa system but that's gone now and it looks like it's going to become impossible to retire to anywhere with a decent climate soon. Cyprus and Turkey I think are still possible. I think Spain is still £2600 a month income from outwith Spain is needed but with this property tax renting will be the only option I suppose. Ahh well, Scotland it is.

Portugal is easy as you only need an income not far above a UK pension. Spain is £2000 per month if single and about £2500 for a couple, so OK if you've got a private pension. I can't see it coming in in Spain as Sanchez relies on some pro business parties to get anything passed and all opposition are against.

Countries will still want well off retirees as why wouldn't you it's lots of free money into your economy with little outlay. Greece's population is expected to fall 10% in the next 25 years so I'm sure they will welcome them in the future

[Ozyhibby]

Portugal is easy as you only need an income not far above a UK pension. Spain is £2000 per month if single and about £2500 for a couple, so OK if you've got a private pension. I can't see it coming in in Spain as Sanchez relies on some pro business parties to get anything passed and all opposition are against.

Countries will still want well off retirees as why wouldn't you it's lots of free money into your economy with little outlay. Greece's population is expected to fall 10% in the next 25 years so I'm sure they will welcome them in the future

I’m sure I read somewhere that retirees in Greece only pay 8% income tax?
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[Stairway 2 7]

I’m sure I read somewhere that retirees in Greece only pay 8% income tax?
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I meant free money to the economy as pretty much all of the UK pension goes into their economy, housing, food, electricity ect. It's a pity our weather is rotten, can't see many moving to retire here.

The only thing I'd think that would put people off flying that far south to retire in 25 years is global warming. The Spanish boys at my work say some areas are getting unbearable in the summer and water can be scarce. I love the sun but couldn't be bothered with weeks of 40 plus degrees

[Ozyhibby]

I meant free money to the economy as pretty much all of the UK pension goes into their economy, housing, food, electricity ect. It's a pity our weather is rotten, can't see many moving to retire here.

The only thing I'd think that would put people off flying that far south to retire in 25 years is global warming. The Spanish boys at my work say some areas are getting unbearable in the summer and water can be scarce. I love the sun but couldn't be bothered with weeks of 40 plus degrees

I was just pointing out Greece is a great place to retire to. 7% tax is very attractive.[emoji106]


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[Andy Bee]

I’m sure I read somewhere that retirees in Greece only pay 8% income tax?
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Sorry, 7%.[emoji106]

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I'm not sure UK residents pay any tax on pensions in Greece, depends on the withdrawal agreement, I don't think you pay double tax in Spain for example although you do in Portugal. The withdrawal agreement seems to be different in different countries, for example retired expats still receive the old winter fuel payment as the withdrawal agreement protected them but in some other EU countries like Spain the retirees don't receive it.

[Stairway 2 7]

I was just pointing out Greece is a great place to retire to. 7% tax is very attractive.[emoji106]


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Sorry my mistake, yeah where as Spain is pretty harsh tax free allowance is 5k or something and 20% from there up to 47%, also a tax on savings and if your tax free lump sum from your pension is taxable in Spain

Greek food's unreal, tremendous culture, low tax, but I'm not sure if I could handle the radgness of the football though ha

[Hibrandenburg]

I meant free money to the economy as pretty much all of the UK pension goes into their economy, housing, food, electricity ect. It's a pity our weather is rotten, can't see many moving to retire here.

The only thing I'd think that would put people off flying that far south to retire in 25 years is global warming. The Spanish boys at my work say some areas are getting unbearable in the summer and water can be scarce. I love the sun but couldn't be bothered with weeks of 40 plus degrees

My retirement plan was to buy a wee property on the coast in Scotland but brexit pretty much scuppered that. Plan B, sell my caravan and buy a mobile home, head north in the summer and south in the winter. I've heard north Africa is rammed with geriatrics in the winter.

[Andy Bee]

I was just pointing out Greece is a great place to retire to. 7% tax is very attractive.[emoji106]


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You could just become a Non Dom Ozy, 100k Euros flat fee P/A and live tax free.

[Andy Bee]

My retirement plan was to buy a wee property on the coast in Scotland but brexit pretty much scuppered that. Plan B, sell my caravan and buy a mobile home, head north in the summer and south in the winter. I've heard north Africa is rammed with geriatrics in the winter.

Buy a yacht or better still one o these https://www.hhcatamarans.com/hh52 and sail the seas. :greengrin TBF the people doing this are having an absolute nightmare with Brexit also.

[Stairway 2 7]

My retirement plan was to buy a wee property on the coast in Scotland but brexit pretty much scuppered that. Plan B, sell my caravan and buy a mobile home, head north in the summer and south in the winter. I've heard north Africa is rammed with geriatrics in the winter.

How did brexit knacker it if you don't mind me asking, do you not have duel nationality anymore. Absolutely brutal how idiotic brexit was, some things shouldn't go to a public vote when the public believe anything.

I'm hopeful demographics will get us independence in the next decade and the madness can end

[Ozyhibby]

You could just become a Non Dom Ozy, 100k Euros flat fee P/A and live tax free.

I’m not quite in that stratosphere.[emoji23]


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[Hibrandenburg]

Buy a yacht or better still one o these https://www.hhcatamarans.com/hh52 and sail the seas. :greengrin TBF the people doing this are having an absolute nightmare with Brexit also.

I'm pushing the boat out with a mobile home, I'd have to remortgage my house twice to pay for that thing. It is tempting though :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

How did brexit knacker it if you don't mind me asking, do you not have duel nationality anymore. Absolutely brutal how idiotic brexit was, some things shouldn't go to a public vote when the public believe anything.

I'm hopeful demographics will get us independence in the next decade and the madness can end

The wife would only get a 30 month visa, it would likely get extended but she doesn't want to be treated like a 2nd class citizen and god knows what she'd have to go through if i fell off my perch. As EU citizens the pension procedure was clear and simple for us both, Brexit has complicated that somewhat.

[Keith_M]

My retirement plan was to buy a wee property on the coast in Scotland but brexit pretty much scuppered that. Plan B, sell my caravan and buy a mobile home, head north in the summer and south in the winter. I've heard north Africa is rammed with geriatrics in the winter.


My retirement plan is a wee house on the side of The Brocken, with the missus running a cafe for tourists and me chatting up the waitresses.

Sadly she said no to the last part...

[Hibrandenburg]

My retirement plan is a wee house on the side of The Brocken, with the missus running a cafe for tourists and me chatting up the waitresses.

Sadly she said no to the last part...

Pfft, women eh!

[Stairway 2 7]

The wife would only get a 30 month visa, it would likely get extended but she doesn't want to be treated like a 2nd class citizen and god knows what she'd have to go through if i fell off my perch. As EU citizens the pension procedure was clear and simple for us both, Brexit has complicated that somewhat.

Jeez that is horrendous. I stupidly assumed as a wife she'd get the same rights as you a citizen, what a backward system. Really chucked out the baby with the bathwater with many brexit. Took back control but destroyed the economy, trade, families, further education, scientific research....

[Keith_M]

Pfft, women eh!


Ah know, what are they like.

:rolleyes:

[Andy Bee]

Jeez that is horrendous. I stupidly assumed as a wife she'd get the same rights as you a citizen, what a backward system. Really chucked out the baby with the bathwater with many brexit. Took back control but destroyed the economy, trade, families, further education, scientific research....

It's complete bollox, what control did they actually take back anyway? It's more to do with them and their little egos not being able to handle what Brussels had to say.

[lapsedhibee]

It's complete bollox, what control did they actually take back anyway? It's more to do with them and their little egos not being able to handle what Brussels had to say.

*cough* tax havens *cough*

[Andy Bee]

*cough* tax havens *cough*

Freeports? Makes sense.

[Ozyhibby]

https://goodallandgoodluck.substack.com/p/the-brexit-consensus-is-wobbling?r=4i04j3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true

Ed Dave’s makes first move among London parties.


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[Jack]

Santander thinking about pulling out of the UK.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/major-uk-bank-considering-quitting-the-country-after-two-decades-on-the-high-street/ar-AA1xtRYE

[Moulin Yarns]

Santander thinking about pulling out of the UK.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/major-uk-bank-considering-quitting-the-country-after-two-decades-on-the-high-street/ar-AA1xtRYE

Not good.

[grunt]

Benefits!!!

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[grunt]

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[grunt]

5 years on.

https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a1013086281_65

[Callum_62]

How's Turkeys EU membership going btw?

[emoji848]

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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/31/scotland-brexit-britain-labour-eu-europe?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=bluesky&CMP=bsky_gu


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[Andy Bee]

Controversial I know but I'm not so sure Swinney should keep parroting this re-joining the full EU message. One reason and quite significant is we can't at the moment and he knows this hopefully, Freeports for starters, secondly the budget deficit is 4.5% - 4.8% depending on where you read it and the EU wants 3%, it's looking for debt to GDP of 60%, we're 97%, that equates to a lot of cuts to get down to those levels. There's also the issue of joining the Euro which wouldn't go down well. I wish he'd take a concrete stance on Scotland joining EFTA and the EEA and run with it, joining Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland with more relaxed rules sounds a far better and quicker option IMO. As for this growth nonsense, controversial again I know but if we had 3%4%5% growth tomorrow using todays formulas for creating it, where would it go? I'm sure this argument of trickle down economics was settled decades ago, it doesn't work.

[jamie_1875]

Controversial I know but I'm not so sure Swinney should keep parroting this re-joining the full EU message. One reason and quite significant is we can't at the moment and he knows this hopefully, Freeports for starters, secondly the budget deficit is 4.5% - 4.8% depending on where you read it and the EU wants 3%, it's looking for debt to GDP of 60%, we're 97%, that equates to a lot of cuts to get down to those levels. There's also the issue of joining the Euro which wouldn't go down well. I wish he'd take a concrete stance on Scotland joining EFTA and the EEA and run with it, joining Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland with more relaxed rules sounds a far better and quicker option IMO. As for this growth nonsense, controversial again I know but if we had 3%4%5% growth tomorrow using todays formulas for creating it, where would it go? I'm sure this argument of trickle down economics was settled decades ago, it doesn't work.

The comments section under the article has picked the following as it's "pick" of comments. Plenty to ponder in there.

"John is of course right, Brexit has been a complete farce.

Why has Brexit been so bad for the UK? Well, we erected barriers to trade with by far our largest trading partner. 45% of UK trade is with the EU.

Did you know that over 65% of Scotland's trade is with the UK John? How would erecting barriers to trade with rUK make things better? Even after four decades of EU membership, Scotland still does four times more trade with the UK than the EU.

Do you remember during the 2016 referendum how the Brexit nationalists dismissed all sober warnings as Project Fear? Now that their sober warnings have predictably been proven to be entirely accurate, do you regret dismissing the sober warnings of your critics during the 2014 referendum as Project Fear? Do you also recall how leaving the EU was a corollary of voting Yes in 2014? Why didn't it bother you then?

The UK was a hefty net contributor to the EU, wasn't it John. We received plenty back of course, but we still made a big contribution. According to data published every year by your government's own Chief Statistician, Scotland recieves an annual net subsidy from rUK worth 10% of our total GDP. This enables the massively higher public expenditure per capita in Scotland that allows us to spend more on e.g. child poverty. How would cutting ourselves off from this subsidy make things better? What services do you propose cutting and what taxes would have to rise in an iScotland to cover its loss?

The UK of course left the EU with a major reserve currency, a stable deficit, membership of a multitude of alliances and bilateral arrangements and as one of the world's most prominent hard and soft powers. Despite that Brexit still hurt badly. Scotland meanwhile has never issued debt in its existence, has no central bank, runs a 10% deficit, would have to issue a new currency if it ever wanted to join the EU, and would be outside of every international arrangement from day 1. Tell me how this is anything other than out of the frying pan into the fire?

According to an economist hired by your party in the vain hope of building an economic case for independence, "separation would be brexit times ten." Why do you think he is wrong?

According to the LSE (whose brexit impact paper Nicola Sturgeon trumpeted to the rooftops), independence followed by joining the EU or EFTA would not only not make up the massive damage caused by independence, it would actually exacerbate it.

"… rejoining the EU following independence would do little to mitigate these costs, and in the short run would probably lead to greater economic losses than maintaining a common economic market with the rest of the UK"

Why are the LSE wrong?

For Ireland, it has been said persuasively that it was the policy flexibility that came with independence, alongside EU membership, that enabled economic take-off.

Ireland is a tax haven with a very small state. It left the UK with a 19th century economy, nothing to lose and everything to gain. It spent most of the last century in the doldrums before dropping corporation tax to massively undercut it's neighbours. Scotland is a mature economy and in no way like Ireland was in the 1920s; we have a great deal to lose and surely Brexit has proven that sovereignty is a chimaera in the 21st century. If the offer from the SNP is independence so we can have a corporation tax race to the bottom with Ireland, have massive service cuts and pay to see our GP, then please put it on the leaflets."

[Jack]

I read the other day that only 30% of the population think Brexit was a good idea.

It makes me wonder why the political elite (cough) is ignoring the 70%.

[Ozyhibby]

The comments section under the article has picked the following as it's "pick" of comments. Plenty to ponder in there.

"John is of course right, Brexit has been a complete farce.

Why has Brexit been so bad for the UK? Well, we erected barriers to trade with by far our largest trading partner. 45% of UK trade is with the EU.

Did you know that over 65% of Scotland's trade is with the UK John? How would erecting barriers to trade with rUK make things better? Even after four decades of EU membership, Scotland still does four times more trade with the UK than the EU.

Do you remember during the 2016 referendum how the Brexit nationalists dismissed all sober warnings as Project Fear? Now that their sober warnings have predictably been proven to be entirely accurate, do you regret dismissing the sober warnings of your critics during the 2014 referendum as Project Fear? Do you also recall how leaving the EU was a corollary of voting Yes in 2014? Why didn't it bother you then?

The UK was a hefty net contributor to the EU, wasn't it John. We received plenty back of course, but we still made a big contribution. According to data published every year by your government's own Chief Statistician, Scotland recieves an annual net subsidy from rUK worth 10% of our total GDP. This enables the massively higher public expenditure per capita in Scotland that allows us to spend more on e.g. child poverty. How would cutting ourselves off from this subsidy make things better? What services do you propose cutting and what taxes would have to rise in an iScotland to cover its loss?

The UK of course left the EU with a major reserve currency, a stable deficit, membership of a multitude of alliances and bilateral arrangements and as one of the world's most prominent hard and soft powers. Despite that Brexit still hurt badly. Scotland meanwhile has never issued debt in its existence, has no central bank, runs a 10% deficit, would have to issue a new currency if it ever wanted to join the EU, and would be outside of every international arrangement from day 1. Tell me how this is anything other than out of the frying pan into the fire?

According to an economist hired by your party in the vain hope of building an economic case for independence, "separation would be brexit times ten." Why do you think he is wrong?

According to the LSE (whose brexit impact paper Nicola Sturgeon trumpeted to the rooftops), independence followed by joining the EU or EFTA would not only not make up the massive damage caused by independence, it would actually exacerbate it.

"… rejoining the EU following independence would do little to mitigate these costs, and in the short run would probably lead to greater economic losses than maintaining a common economic market with the rest of the UK"

Why are the LSE wrong?

For Ireland, it has been said persuasively that it was the policy flexibility that came with independence, alongside EU membership, that enabled economic take-off.

Ireland is a tax haven with a very small state. It left the UK with a 19th century economy, nothing to lose and everything to gain. It spent most of the last century in the doldrums before dropping corporation tax to massively undercut it's neighbours. Scotland is a mature economy and in no way like Ireland was in the 1920s; we have a great deal to lose and surely Brexit has proven that sovereignty is a chimaera in the 21st century. If the offer from the SNP is independence so we can have a corporation tax race to the bottom with Ireland, have massive service cuts and pay to see our GP, then please put it on the leaflets."

Thankfully everything is going great now.[emoji849]


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[Andy Bee]

The comments section under the article has picked the following as it's "pick" of comments. Plenty to ponder in there.

"John is of course right, Brexit has been a complete farce.

Why has Brexit been so bad for the UK? Well, we erected barriers to trade with by far our largest trading partner. 45% of UK trade is with the EU.

Did you know that over 65% of Scotland's trade is with the UK John? How would erecting barriers to trade with rUK make things better? Even after four decades of EU membership, Scotland still does four times more trade with the UK than the EU.

Do you remember during the 2016 referendum how the Brexit nationalists dismissed all sober warnings as Project Fear? Now that their sober warnings have predictably been proven to be entirely accurate, do you regret dismissing the sober warnings of your critics during the 2014 referendum as Project Fear? Do you also recall how leaving the EU was a corollary of voting Yes in 2014? Why didn't it bother you then?

The UK was a hefty net contributor to the EU, wasn't it John. We received plenty back of course, but we still made a big contribution. According to data published every year by your government's own Chief Statistician, Scotland recieves an annual net subsidy from rUK worth 10% of our total GDP. This enables the massively higher public expenditure per capita in Scotland that allows us to spend more on e.g. child poverty. How would cutting ourselves off from this subsidy make things better? What services do you propose cutting and what taxes would have to rise in an iScotland to cover its loss?

The UK of course left the EU with a major reserve currency, a stable deficit, membership of a multitude of alliances and bilateral arrangements and as one of the world's most prominent hard and soft powers. Despite that Brexit still hurt badly. Scotland meanwhile has never issued debt in its existence, has no central bank, runs a 10% deficit, would have to issue a new currency if it ever wanted to join the EU, and would be outside of every international arrangement from day 1. Tell me how this is anything other than out of the frying pan into the fire?

According to an economist hired by your party in the vain hope of building an economic case for independence, "separation would be brexit times ten." Why do you think he is wrong?

According to the LSE (whose brexit impact paper Nicola Sturgeon trumpeted to the rooftops), independence followed by joining the EU or EFTA would not only not make up the massive damage caused by independence, it would actually exacerbate it.

"… rejoining the EU following independence would do little to mitigate these costs, and in the short run would probably lead to greater economic losses than maintaining a common economic market with the rest of the UK"

Why are the LSE wrong?

For Ireland, it has been said persuasively that it was the policy flexibility that came with independence, alongside EU membership, that enabled economic take-off.

Ireland is a tax haven with a very small state. It left the UK with a 19th century economy, nothing to lose and everything to gain. It spent most of the last century in the doldrums before dropping corporation tax to massively undercut it's neighbours. Scotland is a mature economy and in no way like Ireland was in the 1920s; we have a great deal to lose and surely Brexit has proven that sovereignty is a chimaera in the 21st century. If the offer from the SNP is independence so we can have a corporation tax race to the bottom with Ireland, have massive service cuts and pay to see our GP, then please put it on the leaflets."


Jeezo, I've just woken up in 2014, tell me I don't have to sit through Gangham Style at No 1 again? Anyways I'll have to run, the bookies are giving cracking odds on Hibs winning the Scottish Cup in the next 2 years, 102 years pffft.

[Colr]

The economic argument against Brexit, I think, goes over a lot of heads. Sure, we can say we are all poorer now than 10 years ago but that could also be put down to covid and war in Ukraine ( then, it’ll be Trump).

However, I think a lot of people who voted for Brexit were concerned about immigration. They saw cheap labour coming in from Poland for example and undercutting wages and opportunity.

It’s not just in trades this was an issue. The architects offices of London were stuffed with bright young things from Europe fresh out of uni, that in a town that traditionally pulls in the young and spits people out in their 50s.

I’ve noticed far less of people in their 50s being discarded in the last decade, partly because the supply of younger people to replace them at lower cost (and with more energy) has declined. That is part Brexit and part cost of living (I pay a fraction to live in London than a you g person renting because I own a property bought a couple of decades ago and rented properties in the city are very expensive).

So far so good, then? Immigration down, employment opportunities for British people better.

However, whereas immigration to work from Europe has been choked off, immigration overall has skyrocketed and its starting to get noticed. These are people from the east and Africa. Many will be students and will come here then go home. But what about the rest? I don’t think its clear. I haven’t seen a change in the workforce or jobs (yet). Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk claim they all come here for benefits but they have little to no recourse to public funds so, I think that’s another of his race-bating lines.

I don’t think people that voted Brexit did so because of racism (well not all or even the majority) but if the surge in immigration has an impact on peoples lives and job prospects it may turn it that way.

I just don’t think its clear yet. Job security seems better, living standards are down, immigration has shot up but from a different source. The Tories will get the blame for the latter (and I note immigration has been coming down since Labour got in).

[grunt]

I don’t think people that voted Brexit did so because of racism (well not all or even the majority) but if the surge in immigration has an impact on peoples lives and job prospects it may turn it that way.
I think you're wrong. I don't have statistics to support that, but it's my gut feeling.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Carole Cadwalladr on X: "NEW: Explosive new revelations from ex MI6 spy. Why *did* Boris Johnson block the Russia Report before 2019 Gen Election? Finally some answers.. Russian military intelligence - the GRU - targeted the Brexit vote. "Money changed hands" 1/ https://t.co/rKD71ux49R" / X (https://x.com/carolecadwalla/status/1889727937668076007?s=46&t=JIrJ1xNtjW2uL7oQ0IhCRw&fbclid=IwY2xjawIbUAJleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHfpAViRTJHtYe TAwHFj4V3NVRkpi0sLj1G0FyLTNKtdhoMmlGyVAM9xw6A_aem_ 0nl0wGwNaCaAcnqggD6_eQ)

Follow the Money–Sergei & the Westminster Spy Ring – Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/follow-the-money/id1370376823?i=1000691075281)

[cabbageandribs1875]

Swivel on it RATcliffe

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/487795850_1154689936702655_6206037747618673447_n.j pg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=ybXC3VN-KBAQ7kNvgGc5RWb&_nc_oc=AdmKj7cdfAjFOQJlrZcXeYlIsIKqWHUsFWA5D1GsoiA y6f1mN1prLZDKzK6tMAwIO2I&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&_nc_gid=cx5nG40MbIw8litoutH6WA&oh=00_AYGPhLo12d9vUE1JQAnyJN9TFvlVuxoCd6tU7mGG6gFs yA&oe=67F0D6FF

[Bostonhibby]

Swivel on it RATcliffe

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/487795850_1154689936702655_6206037747618673447_n.j pg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=ybXC3VN-KBAQ7kNvgGc5RWb&_nc_oc=AdmKj7cdfAjFOQJlrZcXeYlIsIKqWHUsFWA5D1GsoiA y6f1mN1prLZDKzK6tMAwIO2I&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&_nc_gid=cx5nG40MbIw8litoutH6WA&oh=00_AYGPhLo12d9vUE1JQAnyJN9TFvlVuxoCd6tU7mGG6gFs yA&oe=67F0D6FFSame UK tax avoider who wants the UK tax payer to help Billionaire American owned Man United build a new stadium?

Shameless doesn't cover it ..

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[lapsedhibee]

Swivel on it RATcliffe

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/487795850_1154689936702655_6206037747618673447_n.j pg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=ybXC3VN-KBAQ7kNvgGc5RWb&_nc_oc=AdmKj7cdfAjFOQJlrZcXeYlIsIKqWHUsFWA5D1GsoiA y6f1mN1prLZDKzK6tMAwIO2I&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&_nc_gid=cx5nG40MbIw8litoutH6WA&oh=00_AYGPhLo12d9vUE1JQAnyJN9TFvlVuxoCd6tU7mGG6gFs yA&oe=67F0D6FF

If only it was just irony they didn't understand.

[JimBHibees]

Carole Cadwalladr on X: "NEW: Explosive new revelations from ex MI6 spy. Why *did* Boris Johnson block the Russia Report before 2019 Gen Election? Finally some answers.. Russian military intelligence - the GRU - targeted the Brexit vote. "Money changed hands" 1/ https://t.co/rKD71ux49R" / X (https://x.com/carolecadwalla/status/1889727937668076007?s=46&t=JIrJ1xNtjW2uL7oQ0IhCRw&fbclid=IwY2xjawIbUAJleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHfpAViRTJHtYe TAwHFj4V3NVRkpi0sLj1G0FyLTNKtdhoMmlGyVAM9xw6A_aem_ 0nl0wGwNaCaAcnqggD6_eQ)

Follow the Money–Sergei & the Westminster Spy Ring – Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/follow-the-money/id1370376823?i=1000691075281)

That was clearly always the case. Why are Labour not releasing it now is the question?

[JimBHibees]

I think you're wrong. I don't have statistics to support that, but it's my gut feeling.

It was definitely a massive factor imo also. You just need to look at who was making the biggest noise over it and where that are now leading a party which is very right wing and xenophobic

[Bostonhibby]

If only it was just irony they didn't understand.I'm sure sir Jim of Monaco will understand that if you want to have an input into what a particular group decides to do on behalf of its members it's a good idea to be a member of it, otherwise you are really just on the outside blowing hot air.



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[Jones28]

Carole Cadwalladr on X: "NEW: Explosive new revelations from ex MI6 spy. Why *did* Boris Johnson block the Russia Report before 2019 Gen Election? Finally some answers.. Russian military intelligence - the GRU - targeted the Brexit vote. "Money changed hands" 1/ https://t.co/rKD71ux49R" / X (https://x.com/carolecadwalla/status/1889727937668076007?s=46&t=JIrJ1xNtjW2uL7oQ0IhCRw&fbclid=IwY2xjawIbUAJleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHfpAViRTJHtYe TAwHFj4V3NVRkpi0sLj1G0FyLTNKtdhoMmlGyVAM9xw6A_aem_ 0nl0wGwNaCaAcnqggD6_eQ)

Follow the Money–Sergei & the Westminster Spy Ring – Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/follow-the-money/id1370376823?i=1000691075281)

It’s a brilliant podcast, well worth multiple listens to catch all the details.

[grunt]

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/apr/20/nhs-cancer-patients-denied-life-saving-drugs-due-to-brexit-costs-report-finds?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

NHS cancer patients denied life-saving drugs due to Brexit costs, report finds


Exclusive: Britons found to have ‘lost out’ while rest of Europe benefits from golden age of research and treatments

[grunt]

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[grunt]

Brexit led to rise in hospital death rates because EU nurses were replaced by less qualified staff, academic study says

Brexit led to an increase in the chances of patients dying in hospital because it led to EU nurses being replaced replaced quickly by less qualified non-EU nurses, academics have said.

They have made the claim in a study covering 131 hospitals in England, and almost 10m patients.

And they argue that the increase in the mortality risk attributable to Brexit was the equivalent of 1,485 extra deaths per year in the three years after the UK voted to leave the EU.

They have calculated this figure by looking at the relationship between hospital death rates and with the proportion of EU nurses employed, adjusting for other factors that might have affected mortality.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/may/01/local-elections-polls-labour-tories-reform-uk-politics-live-news?page=with%3Ablock-681383658f08a7e30609ead3#block-681383658f08a7e30609ead3

[Kato]

Brexit led to rise in hospital death rates because EU nurses were replaced by less qualified staff, academic study says

Brexit led to an increase in the chances of patients dying in hospital because it led to EU nurses being replaced replaced quickly by less qualified non-EU nurses, academics have said.

They have made the claim in a study covering 131 hospitals in England, and almost 10m patients.

And they argue that the increase in the mortality risk attributable to Brexit was the equivalent of 1,485 extra deaths per year in the three years after the UK voted to leave the EU.

They have calculated this figure by looking at the relationship between hospital death rates and with the proportion of EU nurses employed, adjusting for other factors that might have affected mortality.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/may/01/local-elections-polls-labour-tories-reform-uk-politics-live-news?page=with%3Ablock-681383658f08a7e30609ead3#block-681383658f08a7e30609ead3The sunlit uplands are just over there, behind the pearly gates.

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[grunt]

Another Brexit benefit!

https://news.sky.com/story/money-energy-price-cap-ofgem-consumer-personal-finance-live-latest-13040934?postid=9646937#liveblog-body


In bad news for Britons dreaming of a holiday home abroad, the Spanish government is pressing ahead with a plan to charge non-EU residents a 100% tax when they buy homes in the country.

[CropleyWasGod]

Another Brexit benefit!

https://news.sky.com/story/money-energy-price-cap-ofgem-consumer-personal-finance-live-latest-13040934?postid=9646937#liveblog-body

Brexit or not, it's a bill that makes sense to me. I'm sure they wouild consider extending it to non-Spanish if they could.

It might be something we can add to the housing debate in this country.

[wookie70]

Brexit or not, it's a bill that makes sense to me. I'm sure they wouild consider extending it to non-Spanish if they could.

It might be something we can add to the housing debate in this country.

I would have a 100% tax on Scottish houses you don't live in 183 days a year(184 in a leap year). I'm an old lefty and think only the state should be able to own homes they don't live in. I appreciate that is a bit of an idealist proposition and probably not realistic but I would have that as a shooting for the stars starting point

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I would have a 100% tax on Scottish houses you don't live in 183 days a year(184 in a leap year). I'm an old lefty and think only the state should be able to own homes they don't live in. I appreciate that is a bit of an idealist proposition and probably not realistic but I would have that as a shooting for the stars starting point
We have made a tentative start towards this with the introduction of ADS (Additional Dwelling Supplement) which is currently 8% and is levied on anyone buying a residential property in Scotland if they already own one or more residential properties anywhere in the world. It's not 100%, but it's a start. Introduced by the SNP Government I think?

[Ozyhibby]

We have made a tentative start towards this with the introduction of ADS (Additional Dwelling Supplement) which is currently 8% and is levied on anyone buying a residential property in Scotland if they already own one or more residential properties anywhere in the world. It's not 100%, but it's a start. Introduced by the SNP Government I think?

Yip. It’s killed buy to let in Scotland. Nobody building blocks of 2 bed flats now.


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[Hibs4185]

Yip. It’s killed buy to let in Scotland. Nobody building blocks of 2 bed flats now.


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You can buy a portfolio of 6 and get no ADS.

[Ozyhibby]

You can buy a portfolio of 6 and get no ADS.

Nice if you can afford it.
It’s a shame but the policy is popular even if it stops new houses being built and makes housing more expensive.


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[Hibs4185]

Nice if you can afford it.
It’s a shame but the policy is popular even if it stops new houses being built and makes housing more expensive.


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Maybe I’m misunderstanding your point but ADS doesn’t stop new houses being built?

I don’t think it makes housing more expensive either? You buy a site and have to pay ADS but not massively in the scheme of things .

The point in ADS is to stop investors buying second houses so that first time buyers and home movers have an advantage over investors etc?

Some investors have just bitten the bullet on cheaper stuff, it really kicks in for investors on stuff over £100k, it’s a bit of a sore one but normally the investor tries to haggle some money off the purchase price outside of Edinburgh

[Ozyhibby]

Maybe I’m misunderstanding your point but ADS doesn’t stop new houses being built?

I don’t think it makes housing more expensive either? You buy a site and have to pay ADS but not massively in the scheme of things .

The point in ADS is to stop investors buying second houses so that first time buyers and home movers have an advantage over investors etc?

Some investors have just bitten the bullet on cheaper stuff, it really kicks in for investors on stuff over £100k, it’s a bit of a sore one but normally the investor tries to haggle some money off the purchase price outside of Edinburgh

It very much does stop housing getting built. Developers can only unlock the finance to start building certain projects once they have sold so many units off plan. Without buy to let investors there are not enough people out there to do this.
ADS kicks in at £40k. It’s not the only reason but to let is dead but it contributes. The loss of mortgage interest tax relief was huge as well.
Say you want to invest in a £150k flat in Edinburgh for your retirement then the total stamp + ADS will be about £16k. The numbers just don’t stack up on the investment so it doesn’t happen.


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[CropleyWasGod]

It very much does stop housing getting built. Developers can only unlock the finance to start building certain projects once they have sold so many units off plan. Without buy to let investors there are not enough people out there to do this.
ADS kicks in at £40k. It’s not the only reason but to let is dead but it contributes. The loss of mortgage interest tax relief was huge as well.
Say you want to invest in a £150k flat in Edinburgh for your retirement then the total stamp + ADS will be about £16k. The numbers just don’t stack up on the investment so it doesn’t happen.


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Again :greengrin

You do get relief for mortgage interest, just not at higher rates. For basic rate taxpayers, there's very little change from before.

[Ozyhibby]

Again :greengrin

You do get relief for mortgage interest, just not at higher rates. For basic rate taxpayers, there's very little change from before.

The rental income you receive can drag you up into the higher brackets though. So even though you’re not making the profit you pay the higher tax. It is not an insignificant tax that has had a big effect.


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[CropleyWasGod]

The rental income you receive can drag you up into the higher brackets though. So even though you’re not making the profit you pay the higher tax. It is not an insignificant tax that has had a big effect.


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But you do get relief for mortgage interest :greengrin It's not been "lost".

[Ozyhibby]

But you do get relief for mortgage interest :greengrin It's not been "lost".

You get a 20% credit applied after your tax calc.
It is a big change from the previous system and has changed behaviours. It has made investing in housing less attractive which was my original point.


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[CropleyWasGod]

You get a 20% credit applied after your tax calc.
It is a big change from the previous system and has changed behaviours. It has made investing in housing less attractive which was my original point.


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I know :greengrin I mark exams in this **** . You'd get marked down for saying it had been removed rather than reduced.:na na:

I take your wider point, though.

[Ozyhibby]

I know :greengrin I mark exams in this **** . You'd get marked down for saying it had been removed rather than reduced.:na na:

I take your wider point, though.

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[Hibs4185]

It very much does stop housing getting built. Developers can only unlock the finance to start building certain projects once they have sold so many units off plan. Without buy to let investors there are not enough people out there to do this.
ADS kicks in at £40k. It’s not the only reason but to let is dead but it contributes. The loss of mortgage interest tax relief was huge as well.
Say you want to invest in a £150k flat in Edinburgh for your retirement then the total stamp + ADS will be about £16k. The numbers just don’t stack up on the investment so it doesn’t happen.


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That’s the whole point in ADS, to stop people buying second homes as investments.

I’m a developer and I know many independent builders in Edinburgh and ADS has no bearing on any of us building.

The issues are planning, contributions and a whole host of regulatory requirements.

Most developers buy a site, get planning or buy with planning, commence warrants and as they are about to start building, advertise for pre-sales.

I’m about to launch pre-sales on a development and I can guarantee most buyers will be downsizers or people climbing up the ladder who aren’t affected by ADS.

I genuinely don’t believe ADS affects house building apart from buying the site initially but often sites ate in SPV’s which negates ADS

[Ozyhibby]

That’s the whole point in ADS, to stop people buying second homes as investments.

I’m a developer and I know many independent builders in Edinburgh and ADS has no bearing on any of us building.

The issues are planning, contributions and a whole host of regulatory requirements.

Most developers buy a site, get planning or buy with planning, commence warrants and as they are about to start building, advertise for pre-sales.

I’m about to launch pre-sales on a development and I can guarantee most buyers will be downsizers or people climbing up the ladder who aren’t affected by ADS.

I genuinely don’t believe ADS affects house building apart from buying the site initially but often sites ate in SPV’s which negates ADS

I agree, there will be hardly any buyers affected by ADS. They are out the market now.


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