Brexit - What Now.

[Hibrandenburg]

Think Labour want to get in power first before suggesting changes. Perhaps the rejoin question will be brought up in a second term

If Labour get in on a pro Brexit ticket then they're just as culpable for the mess as the Tories are. Forget that, they already are.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Think Labour want to get in power first before suggesting changes. Perhaps the rejoin question will be brought up in a second term

What second term? After another 4-5 years of the same economic and social policies under Starmer and his gang, natural tory voters will just go back to voting tory again and Starmer will have completely lost the left leaning voters by then. The tories will be back in power and it'll be as if Labour were never really in power at all. But we're just supposed to suck it up in Scotland.

[Ozyhibby]

What second term? After another 4-5 years of the same economic and social policies under Starmer and his gang, natural tory voters will just go back to voting tory again and Starmer will have completely lost the left leaning voters by then. The tories will be back in power and it'll be as if Labour were never really in power at all. But we're just supposed to suck it up in Scotland.

I think I’ve seen that movie before?[emoji23]


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[Stairway 2 7]

I'll be putting money on a second term for Labour as soon as they win next year, isn't a market for it yet. Under 40s aren't turning right wing as they age for the first generation ever, thanks probably to not owning homes. Add in inflation will be relatively low for the 5 years and there should be growth each year.

[BroxburnHibee]

What second term? After another 4-5 years of the same economic and social policies under Starmer and his gang, natural tory voters will just go back to voting tory again and Starmer will have completely lost the left leaning voters by then. The tories will be back in power and it'll be as if Labour were never really in power at all. But we're just supposed to suck it up in Scotland.

I agree its one of the main reasons I'm pro independence - note I said pro Indy - not pro SNP :greengrin

[Smartie]

I'm not really into predicting the future.

The world is a weird, volatile place right now and nothing would really surprise me.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1686092812343734272?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Kato]

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1686092812343734272?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

I'll be putting money on a second term for Labour as soon as they win next year, isn't a market for it yet. Under 40s aren't turning right wing as they age for the first generation ever, thanks probably to not owning homes. Add in inflation will be relatively low for the 5 years and there should be growth each year.

I agree. So why would they vote Starmer for a second term after 5 more years of right-wing economic policy?

[Stairway 2 7]

I agree. So why would they vote Starmer for a second term after 5 more years of right-wing economic policy?

Because as you said earlier all the main parties in the uk are neoliberal. Most people vote and most sensible left wingers will hold there nose and vote a centre right government over the far right tory government. I hold my nose and vote neoliberal snp due to wanting independence

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Because as you said earlier all the main parties in the uk are neoliberal. Most people vote and most sensible left wingers will hold there nose and vote a centre right government over the far right tory government. I hold my nose and vote neoliberal snp due to wanting independence

Perhaps it's just me. But i'm struggling to see where Labour sit left of the tories these days. Perhaps they're covering their eyes and ears along with their noses?

[Stairway 2 7]

Perhaps it's just me. But i'm struggling to see where Labour sit left of the tories these days. Perhaps they're covering their eyes and ears along with their noses?

We've had this discussion a number of times. Labour are far too right wing and won't change many policies, but I believe anyone with who knows even a small amount of politics know the large difference.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

We've had this discussion a number of times. Labour are far too right wing and won't change many policies, but I believe anyone with who knows even a small amount of politics know the large difference.

I guess I just don't know a small enough amount to notice the large difference.

[Smartie]

Perhaps it's just me. But i'm struggling to see where Labour sit left of the tories these days. Perhaps they're covering their eyes and ears along with their noses?

The Tories are vile, far right English nationalist nut jobs.

Labour sit roughly where the Tories used to, which may be miles to the right of where their traditional base would like them to be but it’s nonetheless still to the left of the Tories.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

The Tories are vile, far right English nationalist nut jobs.

Labour sit roughly where the Tories used to, which may be miles to the right of where their traditional base would like them to be but it’s nonetheless still to the left of the Tories.

I'm not seeing it myself. I reckon Starmer will show himself to be even further to the right than Sunak. Nothing about him suggests otherwise in my opinion.

[Stairway 2 7]

I guess I just don't know a small enough amount to notice the large difference.

No just choosing to ignore it as we talked about loads last time. The abolishing the Rwanda policy should alone have anyone with a soul voting Labour over tory. He's not announced his policies as that would be madness at this stage but there is clear differences.

Committed to spending 28 billion on green energy.
Increase the number of students going to university, tories are pledging the opposite
Abolish private tax break and use the 1.5 per year on education, 350 million will go on recruiting 7000 teachers
Abolishing non dom tax breaks that will bring in 3.5 billion per year to fund breakfast clubs and afterschool clubs for all
Train 15000 doctors in the next 5 years, well over tories 2000
Recruit 13,000 police officers funded from the non dom money
Increase the top tax rate, reverse tory cuts to corporation tax.
Abolish universal credit system
Close yarl wood immigration detention and cancel barges
Voting rights for eu nationals
Repel trade union act


He'll row back on some, some won't happen in first term, but to say they are the same is frankly stupid

[Ozyhibby]

No just choosing to ignore it as we talked about loads last time. The abolishing the Rwanda policy should alone have anyone with a soul voting Labour over tory. He's not announced his policies as that would be madness at this stage but there is clear differences.

Committed to spending 28 billion on green energy.
Increase the number of students going to university, tories are pledging the opposite
Abolish private tax break and use the 1.5 per year on education, 350 million will go on recruiting 7000 teachers
Abolishing non dom tax breaks that will bring in 3.5 billion per year to fund breakfast clubs and afterschool clubs for all
Train 15000 doctors in the next 5 years, well over tories 2000
Recruit 13,000 police officers funded from the non dom money
Increase the top tax rate, reverse tory cuts to corporation tax.
Abolish universal credit system
Close yarl wood immigration detention and cancel barges
Voting rights for eu nationals
Repel trade union act


He'll row back on some, some won't happen in first term, but to say they are the same is frankly stupid

He’s announcing some policies.[emoji106]


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[Stairway 2 7]

I'm not seeing it myself. I reckon Starmer will show himself to be even further to the right than Sunak. Nothing about him suggests otherwise in my opinion.

This is literally one of the worst shouts since Gary O'connor said what is he going to do, when Ivan got subbed on at ibrox

[lapsedhibee]

This is literally one of the worst shouts since Gary O'connor said what is he going to do, when Ivan got subbed on at ibrox

:top marks for the Hibby analogy.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

This is literally one of the worst shouts since Gary O'connor said what is he going to do, when Ivan got subbed on at ibrox

When Ivan came to the club, he made it very clear that he wanted to do a job for us. Imagine if he had came in and said "well i'm just going to do the bare minimum and pick up my wage and perks." Which basically sums up Keir Starmer's approach.

[lapsedhibee]

When Ivan came to the club, he made it very clear that he wanted to do a job for us. Imagine if he had came in and said "well i'm just going to do the bare minimum and pick up my wage and perks." Which basically sums up Keir Starmer's approach.

:top marks for sticking with the Hibby analogy.

[Stairway 2 7]

When Ivan came to the club, he made it very clear that he wanted to do a job for us. Imagine if he had came in and said "well i'm just going to do the bare minimum and pick up my wage and perks." Which basically sums up Keir Starmer's approach.

I wasn't comparing Ivan to Starmer, Ivan is a legend. I'm comparing Gary's awful shout with yours that Starmer will be more right wing than Sunak. It's so hilariously ridiculous

[TrumpIsAPeado]

I wasn't comparing Ivan to Starmer, Ivan is a legend. I'm comparing Gary's awful shout with yours that Starmer will be more right wing than Sunak. It's so hilariously ridiculous

Can you explain why it's an awful shout or why it's hilariously ridiculous in your opinion? Most of those policies you've mentioned in that previous post, Starmer has already u-turned on. I'm just waiting on him u-turning on the remaining few.

[Stairway 2 7]

Can you explain why it's an awful shout or why it's hilariously ridiculous in your opinion? Most of those policies you've mentioned in that previous post, Starmer has already u-turned on. I'm just waiting on him u-turning on the remaining few.

Saying Starmer will be more right wing than the far right Sunak, doesn't deserve anything but laughter mate. I'm just as daft for keeping the discussion going though

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Saying Starmer will be more right wing than the far right Sunak, doesn't deserve anything but laughter mate. I'm just as daft for keeping the discussion going though

With all due respect, that's not explaining why. That's just doubling down on your previous statement. By all means laugh away, but I don't think many will be laughing when he does actually take over and presses on with his law enforcement agenda. That's just my opinion though.

[cabbageandribs1875]

(4) Carol Vorderman on Twitter: "LATEST POLL Grim reading for Tories. 76% say Britain becoming a worse place to live 79% dissatisfied with this government + lowest personal score for Rishi Sunak Remember whatever gaslighting continues in the papers, we know what we know. �������� https://t.co/jL21QNIhXd" / X (https://twitter.com/carolvorders/status/1686258358792101888?t=GG5KjZVXRd6M330gQXfUeQ&s=19&fbclid=IwAR3Fu4KlS4qOrOMFW5XErup5SkUZ7kr19Y-qV7bLTewfPbxcB0Z3OL_kEeY)

Broken Britain? 76% say UK is becoming a worse place to live as taxes and NHS crisis take toll | Evening Standard (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/cost-living-gas-electricity-food-prices-inflation-latest-mortgages-poll-ipsos-b1097718.html)

[cabbageandribs1875]

lol The Brexit ‘red tape’ illusion has been exposed by the Tories’ CE mark climbdown | Heather Stewart | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/aug/01/the-brexit-red-tape-illusion-has-been-exposed-by-the-tories-ce-mark-climbdown?fbclid=IwAR21yEcRluTG3THxivXNifH79YBd__N 4fkSJXlQYOC1W9KeqO0NkQODGh8Y)

[grunt]

Oh dear

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2jaZZRXMAASxDw?format=webp&name=medium

[Stairway 2 7]

Oh dear

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2jaZZRXMAASxDw?format=webp&name=medium

Why delay and not stop. Surely the definition of insanity

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/edwinhayward/status/1687741025236742144?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/edwinhayward/status/1687741025236742144?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkMy favourite local Brexiteer assured me that we would "bring European car manufacturers to their knees" post brexit because they needed us to buy all their cars[emoji16]

As we know the market in UK is absolutely flooded with Brits buying British car Marques in light of their patriotic duty.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

canny beat a wee bit o E Coli Fifty-seven swimmers fall sick and get diarrhoea at world triathlon championship in Sunderland | Pollution | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/05/investigation-after-57-world-triathlon-championship-swimmers-fall-sick-and-get-diarrhoea-in-sunderland-race?CMP=share_btn_tw)

[cabbageandribs1875]

MMmmm a juicy Brexit Bonus this one, yummy

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[grunt]

canny beat a wee bit o E Coli Fifty-seven swimmers fall sick and get diarrhoea at world triathlon championship in Sunderland | Pollution | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/05/investigation-after-57-world-triathlon-championship-swimmers-fall-sick-and-get-diarrhoea-in-sunderland-race?CMP=share_btn_tw)


MMmmm a juicy Brexit Bonus this one, yummy

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Salmonella and eColi double Brexit benefit!

**** 'em all.

[Glory Lurker]

MMmmm a juicy Brexit Bonus this one, yummy

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Viewers in Northern Ireland will have their own programme.

[Stairway 2 7]

New checks mean the time getting through Dover could double. The telegraph reports on it but fails to mention the reason why we now need these checks. Ps it's an archived page so they don't get money from the click

https://archive.ph/qxNMr

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1691025544320524288?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Unfortunately both major parties in England are in the 30% so Scotland carries on being ignored.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1691025544320524288?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Unfortunately both major parties in England are in the 30% so Scotland carries on being ignored.


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Rejoin would definitely win but its not that resounding as id assume. What the f are the leave voters thinking. It's clearly crippling all parts of our economy and if it was immigration well that's at record levels

[Ozyhibby]

Rejoin would definitely win but its not that resounding as id assume. What the f are the leave voters thinking. It's clearly crippling all parts of our economy and if it was immigration well that's at record levels

A Labour Party that cared would at least be considering SM and CU membership.


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[Stairway 2 7]

A Labour Party that cared would at least be considering SM and CU membership.


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Not sure they would get in power if a large proportion still wants remain, depends on the swing seats I suppose. I obviously know you need to be in power but i agree it's madness to rule out rejoining in my opinion. He should have fluffed it over, the direction of travel with voters is rejoin so hopefully Starmer grows a backbone when in power

I don't think

[grunt]

Anyone who still wants to be outside the EU should be removed from the electorate, have their vote confiscated.They clearly have no concept of modern life and shouldn't therefore be able to influence policy going forwards. IMO.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Anyone who still wants to be outside the EU should be removed from the electorate, have their vote confiscated.They clearly have no concept of modern life and shouldn't therefore be able to influence policy going forwards. IMO.Don't agree. I despise Brexit and everything that it stands for. But saying that people who make decisions or hold views that I don't like shouldn't be able to vote is a very dangerous narrative and would make me no better than the far-right bigots who are corrupting this island.

[grunt]

Don't agree. I despise Brexit and everything that it stands for. But saying that people who make decisions or hold views that I don't like shouldn't be able to vote is a very dangerous narrative and would make me no better than the far-right bigots who are corrupting this island.It was meant to be a bit of a joke, although I often privately harbour such feelings. (For some reason I can't add emojis today ...?)

[TrumpIsAPeado]

It was meant to be a bit of a joke, although I often privately harbour such feelings. (For some reason I can't add emojis today ...?)It's highly tempting to feel that way at times. :aok:

[Colr]

A Labour Party that cared would at least be considering SM and CU membership.


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But to win, they don’t want to turn the election into another Brexit vote like 2019 was.

[grunt]

Missed this the other day. Lying Tory liar now blames the UK electorate for voting for Brexit."Not our fault" says lying Tory liar.https://twitter.com/stephen_dorrell/status/1691850050677211266?s=20

[Bostonhibby]

Anyone who still wants to be outside the EU should be removed from the electorate, have their vote confiscated.They clearly have no concept of modern life and shouldn't therefore be able to influence policy going forwards. IMO.Nope, they should be allowed to pursue their chosen path in good old blighty. There's enough beetroot and carrots left rotting in the fields to see them through at least one more traditional English winter, if they can be bothered picking them[emoji6]

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Brexit Bonus Number 42314908576453

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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/msm_monitor/status/1694375898701578375?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Yes but we need to stick with it. Anas at his best.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Rishis refusal to rejoin horizon is just bizarre, it's a win win and EU are willing to concede as its important for everyone to work together, but brexit means brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/25/uk-facing-brain-drain-of-cancer-researchers-after-failure-to-join-eu-scheme

UK facing ‘brain drain’ of cancer researchers after failure to join EU scheme

[grunt]

How very appropriate. The hotel in which lying Sunak signed his Windsor Brexit agreement doesn't have planning permission.
How very like the criminal lying Tory liars.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fairmont-windsor-park-hotel-brexit-b2400974.html

[grunt]

A Brexit benefit!!! For the French.

The French stock exchange CAC40 overtakes the London Stock Exchange for the first time in 20 years.


The flagship stock index of the Paris Stock Exchange, the CAC 40, reached on Monday a number of points higher than that of its London counterpart, the FTSE 100, a first since 2000 that highlights the difficulties of the British market.

https://www.lefigaro.fr/conjoncture/le-cac-40-depasse-la-bourse-de-londres-pour-la-premiere-fois-en-20-ans-20230828

[Hibrandenburg]

A Brexit benefit!!! For the French.

The French stock exchange CAC40 overtakes the London Stock Exchange for the first time in 20 years.



https://www.lefigaro.fr/conjoncture/le-cac-40-depasse-la-bourse-de-londres-pour-la-premiere-fois-en-20-ans-20230828

I only paid £40 for 4 litre bottles of booze on the ferry last month, if that doesn't make the whole self mutilation act of Brexit worthwhile then there's no helping you remoaners.

[grunt]

I only paid £40 for 4 litre bottles of booze on the ferry last month, if that doesn't make the whole self mutilation act of Brexit worthwhile then there's no helping you remoaners.
Why didn't you mention this earlier? I'm in. Ya boo sucks, Remoaners!

[Jack]

Great Britain (GB) has officially been downgraded to Good Britain (GB) following Brexit. A futher downgrading to Gash Britain (GB) is expected early next year.

A spokesman for the Ununited Kingdom (UK) government dismissed the reports assuring they had cunning plan and that only a few people would notice the difference.

[Ozyhibby]

A real Brexit benefit.

https://x.com/alextaylornews/status/1698592708174983478?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]


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[grunt]

Haven't had a Brexit post for a while. Here's one about impending changes to EU VAT rules coming into effect in January 2025.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5ubDiMWQAA2uYz?format=webp&name=medium

[grunt]

https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1701135587527295266?s=20


The Government has quietly admitted post-Brexit checks will increase inflation but says it will be “minor” at 0.2%.

Meanwhile the same Government is telling us CPTPP membership - worth just 0.08% to UK GDP over a decade “is the biggest trade deal since Brexit”

[grunt]

****.

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1701205356100161615?s=20


"Boris Johnson did not know, as the Foreign Secretary, what a Customs Union was, & that explains the problems we get into in Northern Ireland."

[cabbageandribs1875]

i've never actually watched this crap but this does sound funny, especially if the Gammons are raging Brexiteers rage after crowd waves EU flags at Royal Albert Hall – POLITICO (https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-eu-flags-royal-albert-hall-bbc-proms/?fbclid=IwAR3_wrcXDYgS9NFnym677TBVhz8F_A7GqYUo4yNn 9ZPYjtAc6GdRd7ae27A)

Former Conservative MP Harvey Proctor even called for an investigation to get to the bottom of how the “disgraceful and misguided BBC” let such an “utterly vulgar and wrong” (https://twitter.com/KHarveyProctor/status/1700619788630843510) spectacle happen.

[lapsedhibee]

i've never actually watched this crap but this does sound funny, especially if the Gammons are raging Brexiteers rage after crowd waves EU flags at Royal Albert Hall – POLITICO (https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-eu-flags-royal-albert-hall-bbc-proms/?fbclid=IwAR3_wrcXDYgS9NFnym677TBVhz8F_A7GqYUo4yNn 9ZPYjtAc6GdRd7ae27A)

Former Conservative MP Harvey Proctor even called for an investigation to get to the bottom of how the “disgraceful and misguided BBC” let such an “utterly vulgar and wrong” (https://twitter.com/KHarveyProctor/status/1700619788630843510) spectacle happen.

Former, disgraced MP. You'd think he'd keep his head down rather than spraff publicly about what's 'vulgar and wrong'. :faf:

[grunt]

This from Frost yesterday is completely astonishing. In it, he admits that he and Johnson signed up to the NI Protocol actively intending to break it. Second page below.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5w6EBlWoAAat2-?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5w6G0-WAAEl88V?format=jpg&name=large

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5w6HlWWUAAWynL?format=jpg&name=medium

[Kato]

All that time and hassle to make things worse for people.

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[weecounty hibby]

All that time and hassle to make things worse for people.

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Not all people!! There are a percentage of rich folk who have become very very rich. Mostly, Tories, Tory donors, Tories pals, families ,peers etc. See a pattern? And still we get folk who will vote for them as the union comes before all else

[grunt]

Anyone who continues to support these lying ****ing Tories can do one, IMO.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/sep/13/uk-fails-ban-pesticides-outlawed-use-in-eu


The UK has failed to ban 36 pesticides that are not allowed for use in the EU, as campaigners say it is becoming the “toxic poster child of Europe”.

Though ministers promised the UK would not water down EU-derived environmental standards after Brexit, there have been multiple instances of divergence since the country left the bloc.

Now, the country is failing to phase out pesticides that have been found to be harmful to human health and the environment at the same rate as the EU, according to research from Pesticide Action Network (PAN).

Thirteen of the 36 chemicals are considered highly hazardous pesticides under UN definitions used to identify the most harmful substances. Four of these are highly toxic to bees, one contaminates water and one is highly toxic to aquatic organisms.

[Hibrandenburg]

Anyone who continues to support these lying ****ing Tories can do one, IMO.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/sep/13/uk-fails-ban-pesticides-outlawed-use-in-eu

Next, EU bans UK food exports due to concerns about food safety.

[Just Alf]

Anyone who continues to support these lying ****ing Tories can do one, IMO.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/sep/13/uk-fails-ban-pesticides-outlawed-use-in-eu"ministers promised the UK"

There's our problem I guess, time and time again this happens but there are still those among us that think they're worth voting for.

:-(

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1703301297347199468?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Argentina on the channel.


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[Kato]

https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1703301297347199468?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Argentina on the channel.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Can see us rejoin bit by bit, horizon the first climb down

https://archive.ph/gFUpx

French-German plan for EU ‘inner circle’ — with membership for UK

[grunt]

BBC reports on the closure of factory which is moving to Poland without mentioning Brexit once.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cl4rml205mpo

[Jones28]

BBC reports on the closure of factory which is moving to Poland without mentioning Brexit once.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cl4rml205mpo

Here’s what the company said

"consolidation of the group’s spherical roller bearing manufacturing to secure the long-term competitiveness on the European markets“

It almost goes without saying that Brexit is what’s closing these businesses, unless you’re a BBC editor.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/itvpeston/status/1717297206980403409?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Starmer likely to be the next to tell us he can get a better deal. There is only out or in. Anything else is a lie.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://x.com/itvpeston/status/1717297206980403409?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Starmer likely to be the next to tell us he can get a better deal. There is only out or in. Anything else is a lie.


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He never really said just that he said the door is always open and they can have a deal like other third parties do but the single market is sacrosanct.

It's not his decision anymore anyway. The mood music is France and Germany are going to push for a new associate membership with labour winning in mind.

We'll slowly go back in. The EU is a big business corporate entity and they hate losing money as much as us

[grunt]

Today's surprise news

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_nFdmYXUAALm0_?format=jpg&name=medium

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231123/db260e6278194ca0e2cc7df8ce773102.jpg
Biggest fall in living standards in history.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

how Brexit Broke Britain byline TV youtube (4) The Truth About Brexit: Britain BETRAYED | ULTIMATE DOCUMENTARY 2023 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLF_ZkIpVrQ) just over an hour


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLF_ZkIpVrQ




i'm glad that utter **** Blair got a mention as well :agree:

[cabbageandribs1875]

suck it up Dyson Brexit backer James Dyson loses libel lawsuit against UK newspaper (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-backer-james-dyson-loses-libel-lawsuit-against-uk-newspaper/ar-AA1kPZOD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c8e10a7880e249b99f1bccc025341f65&ei=35) Hypocritical Blowhard

[Stairway 2 7]

Brilliant news the first domino falls. Uk rejoins the horizon program. Massive for UK research and universities. Erasmus next hopefully

[grunt]

Brexit benefit!!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-salmonella-cases-uk-eggs-b2460313.html


Britain is facing a surge in salmonella cases due to a lack of post-Brexit quality checks on food, a union has warned.

The National Farmers Union said the UK was seeing recurring cases of salmonella because meat, poultry and eggs have not been checked properly since leaving the EU.

It comes as the Food Standards Agency (FSA) said it was investigating a recent rise in cases of salmonella food poisoning linked to poultry from Poland.

[JimBHibees]

Brilliant news the first domino falls. Uk rejoins the horizon program. Massive for UK research and universities. Erasmus next hopefully

What is the horizon programme?

[Jack]

On my memories page on Facebook from 5 years ago I was ripping the UK government for a series of videos they had released on the Brexit benefits. It made me weep!

I've no idea how to load them here but #BackTheBrexitDeal in the Facebook search bar might get them if you want to raise your anger levels to explode or rinse your tear ducts!

[Bostonhibby]

On my memories page on Facebook from 5 years ago I was ripping the UK government for a series of videos they had released on the Brexit benefits. It made me weep!

I've no idea how to load them here but #BackTheBrexitDeal in the Facebook search bar might get them if you want to raise your anger levels to explode or rinse your tear ducts!Crowns on pint glasses and getting to eat our own turnips is probably all that's left?

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[Stairway 2 7]

Shanks said no I don't think so but I've heard off the...

[grunt]

Brexit benefit!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GA54detXUAAatNB?format=jpg&name=medium

[Bostonhibby]

Brexit benefit!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GA54detXUAAatNB?format=jpg&name=mediumSo if you are a worker in this group it sounds like the EU is a better place to prosper, or at least have your rights protected?

Whodathunkit.

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[Stairway 2 7]

So if you are a worker in this group it sounds like the EU is a better place to prosper, or at least have your rights protected?

Whodathunkit.

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Zero hours workers won't be entitled to any holidays. On brand for the tories to hit down

[Bostonhibby]

Zero hours workers won't be entitled to any holidays. On brand for the tories to hit downAt least Rees Smug won't have to worry about over paying to get his chimney cleaned by an urchin

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[Stairway 2 7]

At least Rees Smug won't have to worry about over paying to get his chimney cleaned by an urchin

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😆

[Just Alf]

So, the promise that workers rights wouldn't be negatively impacted is yet another lie?

No surprise I guess... yet people STILL vote for them! :rofl:

[Bostonhibby]

So, the promise that workers rights wouldn't be negatively impacted is yet another lie?

No surprise I guess... yet people STILL vote for them! :rofl:Brexit campaign lying? Shock horror.

They said anything to drag it over the line at the time as the prize for the Nasty Party's chums was being able to do stuff just like this.

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[Keith_M]

On my memories page on Facebook from 5 years ago I was ripping the UK government for a series of videos they had released on the Brexit benefits. It made me weep!

I've no idea how to load them here but #BackTheBrexitDeal in the Facebook search bar might get them if you want to raise your anger levels to explode or rinse your tear ducts!


https://m.facebook.com/UKgovernment/videos/the-brexit-deal-explained-backthebrexitdeal/599111260521952/

[Jack]

https://m.facebook.com/UKgovernment/videos/the-brexit-deal-explained-backthebrexitdeal/599111260521952/

That's just one of them. There's about half a dozen lying 60 seconds!

[cabbageandribs1875]

Brexit bonus number 387482187

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/412637182_7051445638245540_8493690020420158955_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=c42490&_nc_ohc=QQsCrFCLZjsAX-c9vYH&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfB2uyKhExrWIZYCbsfoZ0XHSrnrCFu2pVLEmbWgN0wi JQ&oe=65886B87

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/heraldscotland/status/1739562856129896929?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Trade with EU plummeting.


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[Bostonhibby]

https://x.com/heraldscotland/status/1739562856129896929?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Trade with EU plummeting.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkOur local Brexit bunny was always banging on about how "we" would bring the EU to its knees over trade.

This must be an example of what he meant.

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[Hibrandenburg]

https://x.com/heraldscotland/status/1739562856129896929?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Trade with EU plummeting.


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When Scottish Ministers visit the EU they have to have a chaperone from the British Government if they want to discuss trade, why anyone is surprised that this has a negative effect on Scottish trade with the EU is baffling.

[grunt]

The Express today. Does anyone actually believe this rubbish?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCRzuxgXMAAf-yg?format=jpg&name=large

[Bostonhibby]

The Express today. Does anyone actually believe this rubbish?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCRzuxgXMAAf-yg?format=jpg&name=largeScheming EU has plan which applies to the benefit of all EU member states?

I'm surprised the Express isn't expressing fury on behalf of El Salvador and Haiti who have also not been included.

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[Hibrandenburg]

The Express today. Does anyone actually believe this rubbish?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCRzuxgXMAAf-yg?format=jpg&name=large

I had to check the date to make sure it wasn't April 1st and then had to check if the article is real, it is.

But I guess at least we have HS2 which will link up the rest of the UK with the EU so no problem really.

[cabbageandribs1875]

he/they must be so proud :rolleyes:

27542

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[Stairway 2 7]

https://x.com/heraldscotland/status/1739562856129896929?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Trade with EU plummeting.


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Doesn't that say we've just swapped the EU trade to UK. 2 billion down to Europe 2 billion up to UK. I'm obviously a strong opponent of Brexit as its stupid on every level, but couldn't this be used by Brexit fans.

Also trade to UK now 3 times that of EU. For independence campaign we need to show that we won't have Brexit damage times 3 in separating from UK, as EU trade won't bridge that gap. Won't be easy negotiating with the clowns in Westminster who don't mind self sabotage if populism is the other choice

[grunt]

Slow handclap for the Leaver Morons


New report by Cambridge Econometrics reveals that the UK economy is almost £140 billion smaller because of Brexit.

https://www.bestforbritain.org/_140_billion_brexit_hit_to_economy_requires_urgent _action

[Callum_62]

Slow handclap for the Leaver Morons



https://www.bestforbritain.org/_140_billion_brexit_hit_to_economy_requires_urgent _actionHow can that be since we stopped paying the EU fees?

Almost like we got something for that.

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[Bostonhibby]

Slow handclap for the Leaver Morons



https://www.bestforbritain.org/_140_billion_brexit_hit_to_economy_requires_urgent _actionMore than offset by having crowns on our pint glasses and union Jack's everywhere, a fair few are even the right way round.



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[cabbageandribs1875]

well i for one am shocked, shocked i say Trust in UK media dips to bottom of Edelman trust barometer - Press Gazette (https://pressgazette.co.uk/media-audience-and-business-data/trust-in-media-uk-edelman-barometer-2024/)

The UK saw the biggest drop in trust in the media and was the least-trusted out of 28 countries surveyed for the latest Edelman Trust Barometer.
The UK fell to the bottom of the ranking, with 31% of people saying they trusted the media in a November survey – a drop of six percentage points since the 2023 Trust Barometer. (https://pressgazette.co.uk/media-audience-and-business-data/trust-media-increase-uk-us-edelman/)

[Stairway 2 7]

Brutal. As expected UK environmental policy is falling away post Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/jan/19/brexit-divergence-from-eu-destroying-vital-environmental-protections

[Just Alf]

Brutal. As expected UK environmental policy is falling away post Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/jan/19/brexit-divergence-from-eu-destroying-vital-environmental-protectionsYup, despite all the promises thar 'we' were not going to be in a race to the bottom :-(

[cabbageandribs1875]

how's that one worked out Nige

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/421255015_7162909090432527_1084740963720818397_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=c42490&_nc_ohc=Wg7veumScq4AX_HPgRK&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfDpcOCEiIUUGe4IxmQ9Xg446_NbkpnMOfYeiUPyDvxk EA&oe=65B1F89D

[grunt]

how's that one worked out Nige
19 days before the referendum ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GESyDMJagAAWAbV?format=jpg&name=medium

[Bostonhibby]

19 days before the referendum ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GESyDMJagAAWAbV?format=jpg&name=mediumTo be fair they did do state aid with UK money, it's just that the state they aided was India, and Tata the indian conglomerate.

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[grunt]

Get your Brexit benefits here!


Parma hams and Spanish chorizos to disappear from UK shelves due to new Brexit checks, Rishi Sunak warned


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-food-shortages-eu-imports-b2485561.html

[grunt]

Damn those pesky EU politicians. Why can't they share with us??

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GE2GPSuXkAAn9Dr?format=jpg&name=900x900

[grunt]

Damn those pesky EU politicians. Why can't we have freedom of movement in the EU?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GE2HLjfWUAE6iQ-?format=jpg&name=large

[grunt]

This woman makes me want to swear.


https://youtu.be/yR7lbC1xHG4?si=_LbK0UBVHTrLxqh0

[grunt]

Another Brexit ****er. "Oh you wanted tangible benefits from Brexit did you?"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFKkiC3WMAAeihp?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

BBC Laura K doing her best to excuse the lying Tory liars for their appalling handling of the UKK economy.
Nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit. In fact, don't even mention Brexit.

https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1764262309810032796?s=20


Laura Kuenssberg says impact of covid and war in Ukraine means less income so Wednesday's budget won't be the best

[MKHIBEE]

Another Brexit ****er. "Oh you wanted tangible benefits from Brexit did you?"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFKkiC3WMAAeihp?format=jpg&name=medium


I thought we were getting Sunlit Uplands. Whatever the **** they are

[grunt]

Stupid ****ers.


UK trade intensity (exports plus imports divided by GDP) has not recovered in line with other G7 countries since the pandemic.

We continue to expect that Brexit will reduce the UK’s potential GDP by 4% in the long run by lowering the trade intensity of the economy.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GH_ieOYXkAIkEqI?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

****ing Brexit.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIpASJxWoAA6N54?format=jpg&name=medium

[Jack]

****ing Brexit.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIpASJxWoAA6N54?format=jpg&name=medium

I wonder how these figures spread and affect each of the UK nations.

From what I've seen whisky and fish are still doing relatively well while what is coming out of the North Sea continues to prop up a failing UK economy.

Can't see another independence vote until we've no happy fish or oil and have drunk all our water so they can't turn it into whisky 😉

[Stairway 2 7]

I wonder how these figures spread and affect each of the UK nations.

From what I've seen whisky and fish are still doing relatively well while what is coming out of the North Sea continues to prop up a failing UK economy.

Can't see another independence vote until we've no happy fish or oil and have drunk all our water so they can't turn it into whisky 😉

Uk economy got £10 billion from North Sea receipts. Uk GDP was £2300 billion last year. Most of the profits from oil and gas go to conglomerates, we've sold the rights to all the renewables too. We're trying to move away from fossil fuels and stopping more drilling so won't be an income in the future.

82% of UK GDP is the service sector, were a service economy. Scotland will be fine in independence but the shock will probably be similar to brexit

[grunt]

Brexit idiots. Completely ****ing incompetent.


Since the FTA came into affect last may, Australian farmers have exported 1,700 tonnes of beef to the UK. However none has gone the other way, as the UK did not seek a reciprocal deal. Experts believe it would take three years for UK companies to get approved for export.

https://t.co/evdlAhmiuB

[Kato]

Decent British parrots, going over there and being corrupted.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GItILcgWMAArxbZ?format=jpg&name=small

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[Bostonhibby]

Decent British parrots, going over there and being corrupted.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GItILcgWMAArxbZ?format=jpg&name=small

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkIs this a rare Brexit benefit?

We are starting to see talented individuals like polly/paul here returning to the thriving, cosmopolitan utopia that Bozo promised us all.

Future Tory party leader? Vice chairman at the very least, if Lee Anderson can get the gig being a multi lingual cage bird is bound to be an improvement.

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[grunt]

Former Tory Chairman breaking the Brexit spell:

It was a bloody disaster …. Brexit is the biggest disaster in British policy making since the war! (http://It was a bloody disaster …. Brexit is the biggest disaster in British policy making since the war!)

[grunt]

Tory Brexit. Not only monumentally stupid, but also enormously incompetent. These people should never be near Government ever again.

https://x.com/dave43law/status/1771101372865241213?s=20


Behold, the brand new border control post at Portsmouth international port... but many of those checks are no longer needed... making this a £24m brexit white elephant...

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKGjJqwXQAAzC_r?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

Another Brexit benefit! So much winning.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKTwulFXQAAtnTj?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

****ing hilarious, eh? ****.


Rachel Johnson, "Brexit has divided the family. Mainly into members who think Brexit is a sh*t idea, and those who think it's a really sh*t idea.. Sorry, am I allowed to say that?"

Fredrik Skavlan, "Yes, you're in a free country now"

Rachel Johnson, "This is what I was getting to.. Nothing nothing nothing, that Brexit is anything but a bad idea"

https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1777070762672730346

[grunt]

****ers.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMUKdPvWsAAlWgY?format=jpg&name=small

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMUXvwlWsAAsOQ3?format=jpg&name=large

[grunt]

The UK’s trade in goods – eg cars, chemicals and booze – has been terrible since Brexit!

Goods exports are down 17% since 2019 (those numbers look less awful if trading in precious metals like gold is included, but shouldn’t as it doesn’t create economic value for the UK).

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/12/brexit-britain-may-export-lots-of-services-but-selling-things-it-makes-is-harder

[grunt]

****ing Brexit. Anyone who voted for Brexit should never be allowed to vote again. They're too stupid.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/15/brexit-border-it-outages-delay-import-of-perishable-items-to-uk-by-up-to-20-hours


Brexit border IT outages delay import of perishable items to UK by up to 20 hours


Lorries carrying meat, cheese and cut flowers held up by new checks, with retailers rejecting some orders

[Stairway 2 7]

****ing Brexit. Anyone who voted for Brexit should never be allowed to vote again. They're too stupid.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/15/brexit-border-it-outages-delay-import-of-perishable-items-to-uk-by-up-to-20-hours

I totally disagree, they were manipulated. The less educated someone was the more likely they were to vote brexit on average but also the less income someone had the more likely they voted brexit. Both go hand in hand, poverty and education. Telling low income voters to never vote again because you disagree with the decision is fascist.

The press were giving out 350 mil for the NHS, no more immigrants taking your job ect. They were fed rubbish by stupid educated gready people

[marinello59]

I totally disagree, they were manipulated. The less educated someone was the more likely they were to vote brexit on average but also the less income someone had the more likely they voted brexit. Both go hand in hand, poverty and education. Telling low income voters to never vote again because you disagree with the decision is fascist.

The press were giving out 350 mil for the NHS, no more immigrants taking your job ect. They were fed rubbish by stupid educated gready people

Let's not forget, a lot of people voting for Brexit were not doing well under the existing system at all, changing that would have looked incredibly attractive. They really had nothing to lose. We paid the price for successive Governments being happy to ignore them. Finally they had a voice and it's hard to blame them for using it. I'm less than comfortable dismissing around 50% of the electorate as too stupid to know what they were doing.

[Jim44]

Let's not forget, a lot of people voting for Brexit were not doing well under the existing system at all, changing that would have looked incredibly attractive. They really had nothing to lose. We paid the price for successive Governments being happy to ignore them. Finally they had a voice and it's hard to blame them for using it. I'm less than comfortable dismissing around 50% of the electorate as too stupid to know what they were doing.

:agree:

[grunt]

Brexit: **** business

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNnk5RFW4AAVCIw?format=png&name=large

[grunt]

I totally disagree, they were manipulated. The less educated someone was the more likely they were to vote brexit on average but also the less income someone had the more likely they voted brexit. Both go hand in hand, poverty and education. Telling low income voters to never vote again because you disagree with the decision is fascist.
:greengrin

Amusing to be called fascist on here, but there you are.

I'm not calling for low income voters to lose their suffrage, I am calling for stupid people not to be allowed to vote. It's different.

[grunt]

Let's not forget, a lot of people voting for Brexit were not doing well under the existing system at all, changing that would have looked incredibly attractive. They really had nothing to lose. We paid the price for successive Governments being happy to ignore them. Finally they had a voice and it's hard to blame them for using it.
So you're saying it's hard to blame stupid people for shooting themselves - and their children - in the foot because they're too stupid to realise the consequences of their actions?


I'm less than comfortable dismissing around 50% of the electorate as too stupid to know what they were doing.Me too. But as a parent you remove knives and sharp objects from children to stop them hurting themselves. I'm looking to apply the same principle here to voting.

[Stairway 2 7]

:greengrin

Amusing to be called fascist on here, but there you are.

I'm not calling for low income voters to lose their suffrage, I am calling for stupid people not to be allowed to vote. It's different.

Calling for people to not be able to vote again because you don't like how they vote is pretty stupid since your banding the word around and yes fascist.

I voted against and think it was the most awful decision but I know people were manipulated. Most don't read a selection of papers and sources and believe a lot of what they are told. London and Edinburgh had the most remain voters rich educated, it was poor places like Blackpool that voted strongest for remains. Then again almost 50% of Aberdeen and Midlothian voted leave so it was spread out

Othering might make you feel better or superior but it doesn't help anything. We shouldn't call them stupid we should show them the error and economic damage

[lapsedhibee]

Calling for people to not be able to vote again because you don't like how they vote is pretty stupid since your banding the word around and yes fascist.

I voted against and think it was the most awful decision but I know people were manipulated. Most don't read a selection of papers and sources and believe a lot of what they are told. London and Edinburgh had the most remain voters rich educated, it was poor places like Blackpool that voted strongest for remains. Then again almost 50% of Aberdeen and Midlothian voted leave so it was spread out

Othering might make you feel better or superior but it doesn't help anything. We shouldn't call them stupid we should show them the error and economic damage

There's a substantial number who will not accept that there has been an error. And a perhaps smaller number who will deny any economic damage. I agree it doesn't usually help to call people stupid, but there's a need for a shorter description than 'people who will not accept that there has been an error or that there has been any economic damage'. It just takes too long to say.

[grunt]

She's got a point.

https://x.com/13sarahmurphy/status/1791731720300998812


This guff is why our country’s in such a mess. Inane, dishonest headlines peddled by cynical rightwing papers and ministers to gaslight people into thinking Brexit is something to be proud of… and not the pile of ***** they’ve really created.

Embarrassing, ignorant and pathetic

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GN2CgHVXEAA1zCo?format=jpg&name=medium

[Stairway 2 7]

She's got a point.

https://x.com/13sarahmurphy/status/1791731720300998812



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GN2CgHVXEAA1zCo?format=jpg&name=medium

Edinburgh has had pavement bars as long as I can remember, brexit bonus apparently. The fall in GDP is a real brexit bo bonus mind you

[Bostonhibby]

https://x.com/LizWebsterSBF/status/1791730093208854530?t=jnT3RoeB4b0fZwaQpdJfrw&s=08

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[tamig]

Edinburgh has had pavement bars as long as I can remember, brexit bonus apparently. The fall in GDP is a real brexit bo bonus mind you

Not really. The council have been pretty archaic with their outdoor dining/drinking rules in the past. I’m not sure what the current position is though. Still, I suppose the brexiteers could blame those rules on the EU if we wanted to play along. A pathetic clutching at straws piece from the Mail.

[grunt]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/17/pharmacist-uk-drug-shortage-patient-medication?CMP=share_btn_url


I love being a pharmacist, but the UK’s drug shortage makes me want to give up – and Brexit makes it worse
But ultimately, the realpolitik here is that patients can’t get their hands on insulin – a position I never thought we would be in, not in 100 years.

[Stairway 2 7]

Not really. The council have been pretty archaic with their outdoor dining/drinking rules in the past. I’m not sure what the current position is though. Still, I suppose the brexiteers could blame those rules on the EU if we wanted to play along. A pathetic clutching at straws piece from the Mail.

That's the councils choice but there has been tables and chairs in the grass market for a decade. I don't think brexit is effecting outside eating in Paris or the Canaries it's a bizarre shout from a bizarre paper as you say

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOAPM73WIAAC-wT?format=jpg&name=medium

[cabbageandribs1875]

from a recent yougov poll apparently

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPZmdPrWgAAzo69?format=jpg&name=large

[cabbageandribs1875]

and this is what that 23% want taken away from them... you just cannot make it up




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPZnbxvaEAADZIT?format=jpg&name=large

[Callum_62]

and this is what that 23% want taken away from them... you just cannot make it up




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPZnbxvaEAADZIT?format=jpg&name=largeIt's not what it contains it's the fact it has "European" in the name

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[Berwickhibby]

It's not what it contains it's the fact it has "European" in the name

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The EHR is poorly written and from cases I have been involved in, it seems to benefit lawyers and Government and not the victims with the miserly compensation. That said until there is a British bill of rights written, which incorporates the ethos of EHR and there is input from Humanitarian organisations in the writing the UK should not leave.

[Paul1642]

and this is what that 23% want taken away from them... you just cannot make it up




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPZnbxvaEAADZIT?format=jpg&name=large

In fairness the proposal is to replace it, not to scrap it.

I can confidently say that we won’t be introducing slavery, torture and the death penalty if it gets replaced,

[grunt]

In fairness the proposal is to replace it, not to scrap it. I can confidently say that we won’t be introducing slavery, torture and the death penalty if it gets replaced,
Plenty of fascist Tories would like to see this. If Farage gets to lead the Tory party I'd say all bets are off.

[Kato]

In fairness the proposal is to replace it, not to scrap it.

I can confidently say that we won’t be introducing slavery, torture and the death penalty if it gets replaced,Let's take that fairness a bit further and ask whether they would be trustworthy enough to replace it after the UK withdrew.

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[grunt]

https://youtu.be/hSOg8MH8tQs?si=Wn5We-pzx3qtkNTv

[Colr]

Edinburgh has had pavement bars as long as I can remember, brexit bonus apparently. The fall in GDP is a real brexit bo bonus mind you

The pavement restaurant in Soho were a great success in the pandemic but the (Tory) council scrapped them as soon as they got the chance.

It’s a Labour council now so hopefully they’ll be back.

[Colr]

In fairness the proposal is to replace it, not to scrap it.

I can confidently say that we won’t be introducing slavery, torture and the death penalty if it gets replaced,

I wouldn’t be so sure. Plenty of the gammonatti would love them to return

[marinello59]

With Italy ruled by the right wing and France heading down the same route is the EU going to survive in its current form? Thoughts?

[Stairway 2 7]

With Italy ruled by the right wing and France heading down the same route is the EU going to survive in its current form? Thoughts?

Depends if the left and Macron can not only do a deal but put it into practice. If Le Pen gets a government and takes France out the EU then the EU is toiling

[grunt]

Great. Just great.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRk1eLUXUAA0xo4?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

Might as well close this thread now.

[lapsedhibee]

Might as well close this thread now.

Cheer up. Starmer might die tomorrow, and then Rejoin's back on again.

[Bristolhibby]

If Starmer wants the growth that will allow him to “Change” then he needs to sort out our place in Europe.

I’d expect more regulatory alignment, making our export and import process as easy as possible. Soft single market type alignment, increased freedom of movement.

J

[Stairway 2 7]

I think last night kills it unfortunately. If Starmer says rejoin all reform votes go to Tory if they say they will fight a brexit referendum. I'm sure Labour had that polling already. They might get better deals on items but no way they have free movement after reforms numbers and your not joining the EU without free movement and the immigration it brings

[Bristolhibby]

I think last night kills it unfortunately. If Starmer says rejoin all reform votes go to Tory if they say they will fight a brexit referendum. I'm sure Labour had that polling already. They might get better deals on items but no way they have free movement after reforms numbers and your not joining the EU without free movement and the immigration it brings

I’m talking about a more conciliatory and friendly relationship with Europe. Silently in the background. To enable trade, to allow low skilled workers in the NHS and to fruit pick. To not be so anti immigrant. To allow regulations to be aligned. To not talk about leaving the ECHR. To work with the French rather than against them. Dare I think they might open legal processing in France for refugees? Would stop the boats overnight.

J

[Stairway 2 7]

I’m talking about a more conciliatory and friendly relationship with Europe. Silently in the background. To enable trade, to allow low skilled workers in the NHS and to fruit pick. To not be so anti immigrant. To allow regulations to be aligned. To not talk about leaving the ECHR. To work with the French rather than against them. Dare I think they might open legal processing in France for refugees? Would stop the boats overnight.

J

Totally agree with you and I'm sure he'll try and get in the maximum unnoticeable changes, although the papers will jump on everyone. I just think rejoining death was confirmed last night along with independence for a decade at least. Thoroughly depressing as that is

[Ozyhibby]

I’m talking about a more conciliatory and friendly relationship with Europe. Silently in the background. To enable trade, to allow low skilled workers in the NHS and to fruit pick. To not be so anti immigrant. To allow regulations to be aligned. To not talk about leaving the ECHR. To work with the French rather than against them. Dare I think they might open legal processing in France for refugees? Would stop the boats overnight.

J

The anti immigrant part is here to stay. The public don’t want immigration and are showing parties that if it continues then they will vote accordingly.


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[Ozyhibby]

Totally agree with you and I'm sure he'll try and get in the maximum unnoticeable changes, although the papers will jump on everyone. I just think rejoining death was confirmed last night along with independence for a decade at least. Thoroughly depressing as that is

Indy is dead for now because there is no legal way it can happen. The SNP need to accept that and communicate it properly. The public will only accept a referendum. All the de-facto BS made the party sound ridiculous.
You tell people you want a referendum but it’s impossible in the current UK. That’s it. There is no other way it happens.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Indy is dead for now because there is no legal way it can happen. The SNP need to accept that and communicate it properly. The public will only accept a referendum. All the de-facto BS made the party sound ridiculous.
You tell people you want a referendum but it’s impossible in the current UK. That’s it. There is no other way it happens.


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Both Yousaf before being elected and Flynn last week have said we need a constant lead on the polls, Flynn said we can't ask for a referendum without it. I've always said you focus on that and getting that and then you go from there. Flynn openly saying it excites me that they have spoken about what needs done.

SNPs attacks about Labour are just a regional branch failed miserably as I expected, voters chose massively in Scotland to have Starmer 16% of votes went directly from SNP to Labour in read, that's obviously enough for a wipeout

[jamie_1875]

Both Yousaf before being elected and Flynn last week have said we need a constant lead on the polls, Flynn said we can't ask for a referendum without it. I've always said you focus on that and getting that and then you go from there. Flynn openly saying it excites me that they have spoken about what needs done.

SNPs attacks about Labour are just a regional branch failed miserably as I expected, voters chose massively in Scotland to have Starmer 16% of votes went directly from SNP to Labour in read, that's obviously enough for a wipeout

The SNP attacks are looking very tired, they need a new approach that isn't based on Scottish Labour being a branch office (nobody apart from the SNP cares where their head office is based) The Brexit is bad line is wearing thin as well, yes it was and is bad and a terrible decision but it was 8 years ago and I don't think people are massively motivated by this anymore, the opportunity for the SNP to "cash in" on Brexit was in the few years after Brexit but Nicola Sturgeon seemed more interested in campaigning to keep the UK in the EU rather than getting Scotland out the UK.

There is a route to another referendum, it's the same route as last time. As for having a consistent lead in the polls, I am sure that has been floated before but dismissed by SNP supporters who claim it is actual election results that matter. Well yesterday was a result that showed us Independence is on the back burner for a while yet which I think John Swinney has said this morning.

[Just Alf]

The SNP attacks are looking very tired, they need a new approach that isn't based on Scottish Labour being a branch office (nobody apart from the SNP cares where their head office is based) The Brexit is bad line is wearing thin as well, yes it was and is bad and a terrible decision but it was 8 years ago and I don't think people are massively motivated by this anymore, the opportunity for the SNP to "cash in" on Brexit was in the few years after Brexit but Nicola Sturgeon seemed more interested in campaigning to keep the UK in the EU rather than getting Scotland out the UK.

There is a route to another referendum, it's the same route as last time. As for having a consistent lead in the polls, I am sure that has been floated before but dismissed by SNP supporters who claim it is actual election results that matter. Well yesterday was a result that showed us Independence is on the back burner for a while yet which I think John Swinney has said this morning.The route last time was asking Westminster for a referendum which they agreed to negotiate and implement.
Sunak and Starmer have both said that even if the Scottish electorate voted for a majority of indy supporting parties they wouldn't even talk to the Scottish government about starting negotiations on implementing a referendum.

[Bristolhibby]

The route last time was asking Westminster for a referendum which they agreed to negotiate and implement.
Sunak and Starmer have both said that even if the Scottish electorate voted for a majority of indy supporting parties they wouldn't even talk to the Scottish government about starting negotiations on implementing a referendum.

Now that’s undemocratic. I honestly there will be a United Ireland before an Independent Scotland. They at least have a mechanism for self determination (the Good Friday Agreement). Scotland (regardless of what it thinks) needs to beg on hands and knees to Westminster. And even then can get a “now’s not the right time” ignoring regardless of whether it’s Labour or Tories.

George Osbourne said it right last night. The only way Scotland is Ever getting another referendum is if there’s a hung Parliament and Labour needs the votes.

So much for for the cornerstone of the UN and National Self Determination.

J

[lapsedhibee]

The only way Scotland is Ever getting another referendum is if there’s a hung Parliament and Labour needs the votes.


Engineering a hung parliament in 2029 possibly means a lot of us voting for a Tory/Reform amalgam with Farage at its head. I hope Parliament has by then passed the bill to make shooting yourself legal.

[jamie_1875]

Now that’s undemocratic. I honestly there will be a United Ireland before an Independent Scotland. They at least have a mechanism for self determination (the Good Friday Agreement). Scotland (regardless of what it thinks) needs to beg on hands and knees to Westminster. And even then can get a “now’s not the right time” ignoring regardless of whether it’s Labour or Tories.

George Osbourne said it right last night. The only way Scotland is Ever getting another referendum is if there’s a hung Parliament and Labour needs the votes.

So much for for the cornerstone of the UN and National Self Determination.

J

I would not put your faith in what Tory George Osborne says. It's one opinion of a man who has no say in it.

[CropleyWasGod]

Engineering a hung parliament in 2029 possibly means a lot of us voting for a Tory/Reform amalgam with Farage at its head. I hope Parliament has by then passed the bill to make shooting yourself legal.

You're on fire today :greengrin:greengrin

You planning your Fringe act? :not worth

[Stairway 2 7]

All new cars in Europe and NI will have speeding warnings installed. When going above the speed limit warning noises will sound. Some new cars have this but it can be switched off. Now it'll reset automatically each time the car starts. The way cars are centralised, most new cars we buy in the UK could have it already fitted

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/jul/05/hard-to-argue-against-mandatory-speed-limiters-come-to-the-eu-and-ni?CMP=share_btn_url

[SHODAN]

Mind when the Labour right sabotaged an entire general election on the pretext of cancelling Brexit lol

[Ozyhibby]

All new cars in Europe and NI will have speeding warnings installed. When going above the speed limit warning noises will sound. Some new cars have this but it can be switched off. Now it'll reset automatically each time the car starts. The way cars are centralised, most new cars we buy in the UK could have it already fitted

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/jul/05/hard-to-argue-against-mandatory-speed-limiters-come-to-the-eu-and-ni?CMP=share_btn_url

Sounds like a good idea.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Sounds like a good idea.


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I'm surprised they don't just limit the engine. Would have to come from government's as the car companies wouldn't do it individually voluntarily.

[Bristolhibby]

I would not put your faith in what Tory George Osborne says. It's one opinion of a man who has no say in it.

He’s not wrong though.

He came up with the tactic of just ignoring anything from Scotland regarding Independence.

“Just say no. What are they going to do? They can’t do anything without Westminsters permission”.

Worked for the Tories, will work for Labour.

J

[Hibbyradge]

Engineering a hung parliament in 2029 possibly means a lot of us voting for a Tory/Reform amalgam with Farage at its head. I hope Parliament has by then passed the bill to make shooting yourself legal.

Just do it anyway. You'll never know if you got found guilty.

(Don't do it.)

[lapsedhibee]

Just do it anyway. You'll never know if you got found guilty.

:aok: :greengrin

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GT6cdYYWEAADKTt?format=jpg&name=medium

[Stairway 2 7]

Brexiteers not happy at a bill to have closer alignment with EU standards, that should help trade. Hopefully the first of many

https://www.politico.eu/article/keir-starmer-brexit-uk-politics-borders-product-saftey-bill-brussels-eu-policy-supply-chains-backlash/

[Bostonhibby]

Brexiteers not happy at a bill to have closer alignment with EU standards, that should help trade. Hopefully the first of many

https://www.politico.eu/article/keir-starmer-brexit-uk-politics-borders-product-saftey-bill-brussels-eu-policy-supply-chains-backlash/Maybe Nasty Nige can draw up a suitable exception for every Brexiteer that wants to continue having difficulty getting certain goods and services into the country and giving them the right to pay more than everyone else for less reliably sourced products and produce.

It's their right to restrict what's available and overpay for it when it is

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[grunt]

Woohoo!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GU4QBxqWEAA5OBv?format=jpg&name=large

[Kato]

Brexiteers not happy at a bill to have closer alignment with EU standards, that should help trade. Hopefully the first of many

https://www.politico.eu/article/keir-starmer-brexit-uk-politics-borders-product-saftey-bill-brussels-eu-policy-supply-chains-backlash/

They've only ever been happy once, the day after the vote.

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[Stairway 2 7]

They've only ever been happy once, the day after the vote.

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Surely they are delighted that Brexit meant we increased net immigration to 800k although not European and mostly brown skinned people. They must be delighted it was great for our economy post Brexit and increased cultural diversity, a real win win cheers Gammons

[Kato]

There is a different version of brexit for every person who still believes in it.

No one has ever been able to define it properly and no version satisfies everyone. It's an incoherent concept.

Aleksandr Dugin, one it's earliest proponents, probably got he wished for most given its divided the country, pushed a medium problem to the top of the pile and taken the country backwards.

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[Bostonhibby]

There is a different version of brexit for every person who still believes in it.

No one has ever been able to define it properly and no version satisfies everyone. It's an incoherent concept.

Aleksandr Dugin, one it's earliest proponents, probably got he wished for most given its divided the country, pushed a medium problem to the top of the pile and taken the country backwards.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkWould be interesting to hear what Bozo's crowning glory moments were all these years later.

Not normally shy when it comes to talking, but maybe there's no fee for this one?

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[Kato]

Would be interesting to hear what Bozo's crowning glory moments were all these years later.

Not normally shy when it comes to talking, but maybe there's no fee for this one?

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkHe's up for the job as editor of the The Telepraphda.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Brexit Bonus 47473408

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GVfn6TzXwAA75B5?format=jpg&name=large

[Kato]

Brexit Bonus 47473408

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GVfn6TzXwAA75B5?format=jpg&name=largeThe EU treating us as though we are no longer a member. Disgusting!

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[Bostonhibby]

The EU treating us as though we are no longer a member. Disgusting!

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkDamn foreigners, treating travellers from countries who aren't in the EU as if they're not in the EU.

Still, at least they're not trying to burn us out of our hotels whilst simultaneously stealing bath salts, pastries and shoes to defend their country.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Would be a big step and hopefully just the start. Under 30s could be given a free movement scheme similar to Australia between the EU and UK. It also Looks like Erasmus EU study scheme could come back, would be huge for universities and kids


https://12ft.io/proxy

[Kato]

Would be a big step and hopefully just the start. Under 30s could be given a free movement scheme similar to Australia between the EU and UK. It also Looks like Erasmus EU study scheme could come back, would be huge for universities and kids


https://12ft.io/proxyIt's the thin end of the wedge. Soon, we'll all be speaking Belgian in Starmer's Communist dystopia.

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[Lendo]

Would be a big step and hopefully just the start. Under 30s could be given a free movement scheme similar to Australia between the EU and UK. It also Looks like Erasmus EU study scheme could come back, would be huge for universities and kids


https://12ft.io/proxy

Would obviously be happy for younger people being given their chance to live and study abroad back but why should me, in my early 40s, not be granted the same rights as those in their 20s? I didn't vote for this and it feels like we would be creating a two-tier system. I've got a small flat in Lanzarote that I own with my family which I am only allowed to use for 90 days in a 180 day period but my niece and nephew (also UK citizens) would be able to use it without issue.

Edit: this is just me being a grumpy bitter **** about Brexit.

[Hibrandenburg]

It's the thin end of the wedge. Soon, we'll all be speaking Belgian in Starmer's Communist dystopia.

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It's the straight bananas and 26,911 word long regulations on cabbages that concern me.

[Ozyhibby]

Would obviously be happy for younger people being given their chance to live and study abroad back but why should me, in my early 40s, not be granted the same rights as those in their 20s? I didn't vote for this and it feels like we would be creating a two-tier system. I've got a small flat in Lanzarote that I own with my family which I am only allowed to use for 90 days in a 180 day period but my niece and nephew (also UK citizens) would be able to use it without issue.

Edit: this is just me being a grumpy bitter **** about Brexit.

You can’t because your fellow countrymen can’t stomach the thought of Europeans coming here.


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[Bostonhibby]

Would be a big step and hopefully just the start. Under 30s could be given a free movement scheme similar to Australia between the EU and UK. It also Looks like Erasmus EU study scheme could come back, would be huge for universities and kids


https://12ft.io/proxyOutrageous, this isn't what Wayne, Baz & Nige from Rochdale gave up their all day session in Spoons to lob bricks at Gregg's window for.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Would obviously be happy for younger people being given their chance to live and study abroad back but why should me, in my early 40s, not be granted the same rights as those in their 20s? I didn't vote for this and it feels like we would be creating a two-tier system. I've got a small flat in Lanzarote that I own with my family which I am only allowed to use for 90 days in a 180 day period but my niece and nephew (also UK citizens) would be able to use it without issue.

Edit: this is just me being a grumpy bitter **** about Brexit.
We have similar arrangements with Canada, Aus and New Zealand just now for under 30s. I'd prefer it obviously if it was everyone too but steps to normalisation are still good imo. Things won't change in one government but I believe they will slowly return. The polls show a clear majority would vote to rejoin and it's growing year on year. I hope so anyway

[grunt]

Labour update on story:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/22/uk-ministers-rule-out-joining-eu-youth-free-movement-scheme

Report that EU proposal on work and study for under-30s could be revisited is denied by government

[Stairway 2 7]

Labour update on story:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/22/uk-ministers-rule-out-joining-eu-youth-free-movement-scheme

Report that EU proposal on work and study for under-30s could be revisited is denied by government

It'd be a shame. With the riots last month I can't see Labour doing anything that will increase immigration but I can't see the EU agreeing to any deal without free movement. Saying that Labour are full of liars. I saw them last week deny working towards Erasmus although I know someone who has been talking to the EU for the UK university sector and Labour. Popularity for a small section of nutters over prosperity of the nation will prevail for a while I think

[Ozyhibby]

It'd be a shame. With the riots last month I can't see Labour doing anything that will increase immigration but I can't see the EU agreeing to any deal without free movement. Saying that Labour are full of liars. I saw them last week deny working towards Erasmus although I know someone who has been talking to the EU for the UK university sector and Labour. Popularity for a small section of nutters over prosperity of the nation will prevail for a while I think

My lad is going to uni this year and I keep seeing on his enrolment page online that courses are eligible for Erasmus students?


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[Stairway 2 7]

My lad is going to uni this year and I keep seeing on his enrolment page online that courses are eligible for Erasmus students?


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The Turin Scheme has replaced Erasmus nationwide, although its tiny. Universities can still fund a year abroad themselves and many have exchange schemes with European universities. The numbers are small and Uni dependent compared to what we have. Scot Gov looked into funding a nationwide scheme but I think it was too expensive

[grunt]

The Turin Scheme has replaced Erasmus nationwide ...
Shrouded in mystery.

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GV-z0yFXkAAG1wA?format=jpg&name=900x900

[grunt]

Presumably this is evidence of Starmer making Brexit work ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWvA8WAWEAATStn?format=png&name=900x900

[Bristolhibby]

Presumably this is evidence of Starmer making Brexit work ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWvA8WAWEAATStn?format=png&name=900x900

Jesus, just don’t bring them in. I’m not bothered. Follow the EU rules and everybody will be OK.

J

[Ozyhibby]

Jesus, just don’t bring them in. I’m not bothered. Follow the EU rules and everybody will be OK.

J

What about sovereignty? [emoji23]
Actually, if we just let the EU make all our laws, think of all the bureaucracy and quangos we could get rid of. We’d save a fortune.


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[Just Alf]

Sixth-generation wire-maker blames Brexit for shredding its business https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/sep/07/sixth-generation-uk-wire-maker-blames-brexit-shredding-business?CMP=share_btn_url

Negative fallout of Brexit goes on and on

[grunt]

Sixth-generation wire-maker blames Brexit for shredding its business https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/sep/07/sixth-generation-uk-wire-maker-blames-brexit-shredding-business?CMP=share_btn_url

Negative fallout of Brexit goes on and on
That's an incredible drop in exports! :greengrin


A report published in August by the House of Commons library showed that UK goods exports to the EU had not recovered to pre-Brexit levels. Exports to the bloc exceeded £170bn in 2017, 2018 and 2019 but have not done so in any calendar years since and were £153m in 2023.

[Stairway 2 7]

That's an incredible drop in exports! :greengrin

Although services exports are booming for some reason, it's grew 14% since brexit and 2.8% above the pre brexit trend. Services make up 56% of all exports. UK was the world's seventh biggest export nation in 2020 and is now up to fourth moving above France Japan and Holland

Goods have definitely been hit and for EU non EU trade too which is worrying for the country and many companies. UK is increasingly becoming a services nation

[grunt]

Although services exports are booming for some reason, it's grew 14% since brexit and 2.8% above the pre brexit trend. Services make up 56% of all exports. UK was the world's seventh biggest export nation in 2020 and is now up to fourth moving above France Japan and Holland

Goods have definitely been hit and for EU non EU trade too which is worrying for the country and many companies. UK is increasingly becoming a services nation
It was a joke about a typo in the Grauniad.

[greenlex]

Although services exports are booming for some reason, it's grew 14% since brexit and 2.8% above the pre brexit trend. Services make up 56% of all exports. UK was the world's seventh biggest export nation in 2020 and is now up to fourth moving above France Japan and Holland

Goods have definitely been hit and for EU non EU trade too which is worrying for the country and many companies. UK is increasingly becoming a services nation
Thatcher started it. It’s not new.

[Just Alf]

It was a joke about a typo in the Grauniad.I see they've sorted it! :greengrin

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXMopPGXgAAvL6V?format=jpg&name=large

https://metro.co.uk/2024/09/11/jamie-carragher-slams-brexit-english-coach-denied-dream-real-madrid-job-21584593/

[grunt]

So. Much. Winning.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXhuLzbXAAAwb5l?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

Woohoo! Brexit benefits!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXqVoaRWkAArgOq?format=jpg&name=large

[grunt]

Woohoo! Brexit benefits!!

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/sep/19/revealed-far-higher-pesticide-residues-allowed-on-food-since-brexit


Revealed: Far higher pesticide residues allowed on food since Brexit

Unlike the EU, Great Britain has slashed protections for scores of food types

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYO2IL-WUAAmGj6?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

Woohoo! Brexit benefits!!

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/sep/24/eu-plant-exporters-turning-backs-on-uk-over-painful-border-checks-says-trade-group?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other


Exporters of plants and flowers from mainland Europe (https://www.theguardian.com/world/europe-news) are turning their backs on supplying Britain as “painful” new Brexit border checks are putting some trading relationships at “breaking point”, garden centres and nurseries have warned.

The Horticultural Trades Association (HTA), which represents garden retailers and growers, said long-held links between British nurseries and EU suppliers were now being put under strain because of the delays and costs associated with the new border processes.

[Andy Bee]

I've actually found a Brexit benefit. If you're an Expat pensioner you'll still receive the Winter fuel payment in October in most European countries regardless of your financial position from the UK Government. Goldmine, that'll pay for your speedos and sunglasses.

[grunt]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62rnmr1lr8o


Plans for UK-wide ‘Not for EU’ labelling dropped


What a stupendous waste of everyone's time effort and money. **** Brexit.

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GZOeE69XkAAFkzn?format=jpg&name=medium

[Jack]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GZOeE69XkAAFkzn?format=jpg&name=medium

I don't add much to this thread but thank for keeping me up to date.

[lapsedhibee]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GZOeE69XkAAFkzn?format=jpg&name=medium

As Tusk said, there should be a special place in Hell for those who were responsible for Brexit 'without even a sketch of a plan'.

[Kato]

As Tusk said, there should be a special place in Hell for those who were responsible for Brexit 'without even a sketch of a plan'.Those tories asked now still have no plan. "Another type of brexit", is the closest excuse you'll get for the ***** show that has resulted. If interviewer went one or two questions further - "who are we to sell our goods to", "what training plans have you got for the British people" - they'd fall completely apart. But no one asks any deeper questions.

Fact is they hate the British people with a passion.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FunH1EZXsAAEw8Y?format=jpg&name=medium

[Stairway 2 7]

It's getting played as a step towards European normalisation. Not sure I see that but it's still great that a few gammons will currently be fuming. Luftwaffe to build a base in the UK 😆

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/starmer-germany-defence-deal-brexit-reset-b2633594.html

[grunt]

Yet until the Government starts to face up to the significant damage done by Brexit, and the incremental slump in our economic fortunes that have followed, the new era of prosperity promised by Labour is likely to elude the UK for many more years to come.

https://bylinetimes.com/2024/10/30/budget-2024-the-elephant-in-the-room-is-that-brexit-has-made-britain-a-much-poorer-place/

Budget 2024: The Elephant in the Room is that Brexit Has Made Britain a Much Poorer Place

[Bostonhibby]

https://bylinetimes.com/2024/10/30/budget-2024-the-elephant-in-the-room-is-that-brexit-has-made-britain-a-much-poorer-place/

Budget 2024: The Elephant in the Room is that Brexit Has Made Britain a Much Poorer PlaceBozo had "oven ready" deals, all properly researched and negotiated?

Here he is answering questions, but not with Laura Keunsberg [emoji23]

https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1850908257369416006?t=Cvey9zovHdx26T2Bqmgf7w&s=08

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[grunt]

Woohoo! More Brexit benefits incoming!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gbe3dRUbsAAXtYj?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24712374.stephen-flynn-urges-keir-starmer-rejoin-eu-amid-trump-tariff-threat/#comments-anchor

Stephen Flynn urges Keir Starmer to rejoin EU amid Trump tariff threat

Let's see if this is reported by the BBC ...

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24712374.stephen-flynn-urges-keir-starmer-rejoin-eu-amid-trump-tariff-threat/#comments-anchor

Stephen Flynn urges Keir Starmer to rejoin EU amid Trump tariff threat

Let's see if this is reported by the BBC ...

I'm for brexit but not for that reason. The pound jumped 10% against the euro after Trump won as the markets think we're less exposed than Europe to trade tariffs?

https://www.currencynews.co.uk/forecast/20241106-41795_pound-to-euro-rate-jumps-on-president-trump-win-usd-rallies-eur-pressured.html

[Jack]

I'm for brexit but not for that reason. The pound jumped 10% against the euro after Trump won as the markets think we're less exposed than Europe to trade tariffs?

https://www.currencynews.co.uk/forecast/20241106-41795_pound-to-euro-rate-jumps-on-president-trump-win-usd-rallies-eur-pressured.html

On which market did the £ jump 10% against the €?

It's been hovering around 1.2 since September.

[grunt]

The pound jumped 10% against the euro after Trump won as the markets think we're less exposed than Europe to trade tariffs?Do you just make stuff up?

https://www.google.com/finance/quote/GBP-EUR?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjQ48Wx19GJAxUbWEEAHaAYA1AQmY0JegQIMhAw&window=5Y

[Stairway 2 7]

On which market did the £ jump 10% against the €?

It's been hovering around 1.2 since September.

Just checked your right it was only 2% from 1.18, not sure why it dropped last week but it's at the highest it's been all year now

Article says its expected to reach 1.22 that would be the highest in 5 years. It was 1.14 this time last year, some jump and great if your going to Europe.

https://www.currencynews.co.uk/forecast/20241106-41795_pound-to-euro-rate-jumps-on-president-trump-win-usd-rallies-eur-pressured.html

The Euro has been hit harder than the Pound due to fears over a more aggressive trade policy and damage to the Euro-Zone economy.

In this context, the Pound to Euro (GBP/EUR) exchange rate has strengthened to 1.2000.

According to ING; “Given the UK economy’s smaller exposure to trade than the eurozone and some recently announced fiscal stimulus in the UK, EUR/GBP looks likely to press support at 0.8300 and looks biased to 0.8200 now.”

This would represent gains to 1.22 for GBP/EUR.

[Stairway 2 7]

Do you just make stuff up?

https://www.google.com/finance/quote/GBP-EUR?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjQ48Wx19GJAxUbWEEAHaAYA1AQmY0JegQIMhAw&window=5Y

Nah it was just a mistake but I admit when I was wrong which can be rare nowadays.. Point stands though the Pound is at its highest point all year as the markets think we're less exposed than Europe. They are also estimating a rise to the highest point since brexit happened.

[Ozyhibby]

The real fun will come if the EU does a deal on tariffs first and we are on the outside.


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[Stairway 2 7]

The real fun will come if the EU does a deal on tariffs first and we are on the outside.


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I don't think he'll do tariffs. Saw someone say it would cut GDP by a couple of % and it would drop something like 5% if he goes ahead with mass deportation.

Plus his pal Musk makes loads of his cars in China so they would need tariffs

[The Tubs]

I don't think he'll do tariffs. Saw someone say it would cut GDP by a couple of % and it would drop something like 5% if he goes ahead with mass deportation.

Plus his pal Musk makes loads of his cars in China so they would need tariffs

Trump's got a bit of a dilemma if he's actually capable of thinking about it in his senile state. If he wants to implement his policies, then he'll need people to do it for him as he's not able to lead anything himself and no-one would be mental enough to do what he wants. But, if others take over leading on policy, then he'll lose the place as his ego won't cope.

I can see Musk being marginalised if he's seen to be having an influence and stealing the limelight. The only certainty is that nobody has a clue what's going to happen. The competent nutjobs around him will hope his senilty means he'll be easy managed, but I can't see it.

[Hibrandenburg]

The real fun will come if the EU does a deal on tariffs first and we are on the outside.


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Indeed, the Yanks would be mad to favour the UK market over the much bigger EU one. The UK used to profit by being a middle man on US to EU imports, Ireland is now much better situated to play that role.

[Ozyhibby]

Trump's got a bit of a dilemma if he's actually capable of thinking about it in his senile state. If he wants to implement his policies, then he'll need people to do it for him as he's not able to lead anything himself and no-one would be mental enough to do what he wants. But, if others take over leading on policy, then he'll lose the place as his ego won't cope.

I can see Musk being marginalised if he's seen to be having an influence and stealing the limelight. The only certainty is that nobody has a clue what's going to happen. The competent nutjobs around him will hope his senilty means he'll be easy managed, but I can't see it.

I think the Trump/Musk love in is doomed as well. It will be a mighty fall out. Musk will then have a lot of legal troubles when Trump comes after him.


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[Bostonhibby]

The real fun will come if the EU does a deal on tariffs first and we are on the outside.


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Absolutely, and easy to see why an aggressive US will focus on the big economies with hundreds of millions of customers and be more likely to be flexible when enforcing and trading off tariffs.

Lucky we have all those massive post brexit deals in place.

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[grunt]

https://x.com/edwinhayward/status/1856333976228769883

A dead dog is rotting in your hallway.

The smell is indescribable.

So you make plans to install fans, do wonders with air fresheners, etc.

But at no point do you ever allow the thought to cross your mind to remove the carcass of the dog.

That's Labour's approach to Brexit.

[jamie_1875]

https://x.com/edwinhayward/status/1856333976228769883

A dead dog is rotting in your hallway.

The smell is indescribable.

So you make plans to install fans, do wonders with air fresheners, etc.

But at no point do you ever allow the thought to cross your mind to remove the carcass of the dog.

That's Labour's approach to Brexit.

I voted to Remain but what would you like Labour to do? Organise another referendum and then begin negotiations with the EU if the answer comes back we want to rejoin the EU.

I would certainly be happy with a further referendum and I think the EU would take up back (I think)

[Keith_M]

https://x.com/edwinhayward/status/1856333976228769883

A dead dog is rotting in your hallway.

The smell is indescribable.

So you make plans to install fans, do wonders with air fresheners, etc.

But at no point do you ever allow the thought to cross your mind to remove the carcass of the dog.

That's Labour's approach to Brexit.


Certainly gives Paws for thought.