Brexit - What Now.

[Ozyhibby]

Absolutely. Compared to the deal May was prepared to go with this will be a big boost for the Scottish fishing industry.

https://www.sff.co.uk/statement-on-fisheries-agreement-with-eu/

And yet they don’t seem very happy?


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[Bostonhibby]

https://www.sff.co.uk/statement-on-fisheries-agreement-with-eu/

And yet they don’t seem very happy?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYep, don't see the problem. All part of the Brexit strategy.

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[Radium]

What a miserable bunch on here. No deal looked likely. Now we got what looks like a good deal. Seems like some of you just want this to fail for other agendas.

Agendas is simply an arrogant way of accusing others of having a different opinion: different opinions is something of a strength of this thread.

Not everyone will agree with you and some will never agree but you will find those that support EU Exit/ Brexit.

That there is a deal is better than no deal and the tariffs that would have come with it. Is it a good deal, with the text still not released for scrutiny that seems an early call.

Good will also be defined by individual expectations and priorities. It will also be defined by how the governments perform to support businesses and the bureaucracy that is now in place for many companies.


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[Callum_62]

https://www.sff.co.uk/statement-on-fisheries-agreement-with-eu/

And yet they don’t seem very happy?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWhat would they know?

Project fear

Silly remoaners


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[marinello59]

https://www.sff.co.uk/statement-on-fisheries-agreement-with-eu/

And yet they don’t seem very happy?


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I really don’t have much sympathy for the SFF. Quite happy to get themselves right and stuff the rest of the industry.

[Glory Lurker]

Erasmus has gone. 😤

Not for Northern Irish students, but that is only fair given NI voted 56% remain.

[Ozyhibby]

I really don’t have much sympathy for the SFF. Quite happy to get themselves right and stuff the rest of the industry.

Fishing industry in Scotland seem furious now. Given how many time the Tories have sold them out, it’s clear they are not quick learners.


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[Ozyhibby]

Not for Northern Irish students, but that is only fair given NI voted 56% remain.

When citizens in one part of a union have more rights than others then surely that union can’t last long?


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[Callum_62]

When citizens in one part of a union have more rights than others then surely that union can’t last long?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt's already diverged massively

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[heretoday]

I voted Remain but Brexit is here and we may as well make the best of it. Both sides seem satisfied enough so the end of the world as we know it has been averted.

I feel sorry for folk who wanted to live, work or study in Europe without hindrance. And we're all going to need more visas, insurance, paperwork etc to holiday or drive abroad, but I can remember when we weren't even in the Common Market and we got on OK, did we not?

Wait and see. Brexit might be OK after a disruptive period. Of course that may not suit those of us who clearly want it to fail for their own reasons.

[Callum_62]

I voted Remain but Brexit is here and we may as well make the best of it. Both sides seem satisfied enough so the end of the world as we know it has been averted.

I feel sorry for folk who wanted to live, work or study in Europe without hindrance. And we're all going to need more visas, insurance, paperwork etc to holiday or drive abroad, but I can remember when we weren't even in the Common Market and we got on OK, did we not?

Wait and see. Brexit might be OK after a disruptive period. Of course that may not suit those of us who clearly want it to fail for their own reasons.I don't really understand the "make the best of it" train of thought

Is that code for just accept what we have been served up even if it is far worse than what we were promised?

We have ended up with a very hard Brexit - out of CU and SM

It only appears more palatable because its pitched against the no deal cliff edge

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[Jack]

The UK (as it is just now) is about to become the world's leader in money laundering.

It will be swilling about in the dregs for everything else.

[The Tubs]

With an incompetent and corrupt government, the UK is in for an even rougher year than 2020. The whole process seems to have strengthened EU unity and weakened the UK's. Good results as far as I can see.

[Ozyhibby]

I don't really understand the "make the best of it" train of thought

Is that code for just accept what we have been served up even if it is far worse than what we were promised?

We have ended up with a very hard Brexit - out of CU and SM

It only appears more palatable because its pitched against the no deal cliff edge

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Blame for being out of the CU and SM has to be shared. The remain campaigners have to accept that their failure to accept the result of the referendum and pursue a soft brexit instead has contributed to the hard brexit we now have.


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[RyeSloan]

I don't really understand the "make the best of it" train of thought

Is that code for just accept what we have been served up even if it is far worse than what we were promised?

We have ended up with a very hard Brexit - out of CU and SM

It only appears more palatable because its pitched against the no deal cliff edge

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Hmm not really as we were not promised anything apart from leaving the EU.

All the prophesying on this thread about how no deal was the plan all along was just plain wrong. No surprise then to see many flip to immediately saying this deal is baaad even when the detail is unknown.

We’ll also have to await to see if the suggestions of hyper inflation and recession next year are as accurate as the assertions of the no deal plan all along ones.

I get being part of the EU came with open market access and many other alleged benefits but it also came with the many compromises that being part of a bloc of so many countries with such disparate needs and wants brought.

Even the fabled free movement of labour wrought significant influence over the type and shape of the UK economy (who can forget the only ‘tens of thousands’ promise of the outcome of opening up to the eastern bloc countries).

The balance may have been more good than bad and the future balance may be more bad than good but neither is anywhere near as clear cut nor certain as the majority on this thread (or for that matter Boris and his cohort) make out.

[Callum_62]

Hmm not really as we were not promised anything apart from leaving the EU.

All the prophesying on this thread about how no deal was the plan all along was just plain wrong. No surprise then to see many flip to immediately saying this deal is baaad even when the detail is unknown.

We’ll also have to await to see if the suggestions of hyper inflation and recession next year are as accurate as the assertions of the no deal plan all along ones.

I get being part of the EU came with open market access and many other alleged benefits but it also came with the many compromises that being part of a bloc of so many countries with such disparate needs and wants brought.

Even the fabled free movement of labour wrought significant influence over the type and shape of the UK economy (who can forget the only ‘tens of thousands’ promise of the outcome of opening up to the eastern bloc countries).

The balance may have been more good than bad and the future balance may be more bad than good but neither is anywhere near as clear cut nor certain as the majority on this thread (or for that matter Boris and his cohort) make out.I believe we were promised the same benefits, no downsides

I obvisouly didn't belive and then and I sure as hell don't believe it now

We are where we are though, I'm no trade expert but the thing that bothers me the most is my daughter has lost the chance to freely live and work in a big chunk of the world

That's a real shame imho

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[lapsedhibee]

Hmm not really as we were not promised anything apart from leaving the EU.


Were you on Mars in 2016?

[heretoday]

I really don’t have much sympathy for the SFF. Quite happy to get themselves right and stuff the rest of the industry.

Their voice is bigger than their importance to the economy. 0.1% according to the BBC.

But tell that to the many communities that fishing sustains, especially in Scotland.

[G B Young]

I really don’t have much sympathy for the SFF. Quite happy to get themselves right and stuff the rest of the industry.

Agreed. It's mostly posturing because they didn't get the fantasy deal of exclusive rights to waters off the UK. Yes, having voted in big numbers for Brexit they would have hoped for a bit better, but it's still a decent deal for them and one which will improve over time.

Laughable to see the SNP seize on this 'betrayal' bearing in mind their stance on the Common Fisheries Policy.

[DaveF]

Agreed. It's mostly posturing because they didn't get the fantasy deal of exclusive rights to waters off the UK. Yes, having voted in big numbers for Brexit they would have hoped for a bit better, but it's still a decent deal for them and one which will improve over time.

Laughable to see the SNP seize on this 'betrayal' bearing in mind their stance on the Common Fisheries Policy.

It's also laughable to see that tweet from Carlaw regarding Erasmus but you have probably just missed it 🙂

[Ozyhibby]

Agreed. It's mostly posturing because they didn't get the fantasy deal of exclusive rights to waters off the UK. Yes, having voted in big numbers for Brexit they would have hoped for a bit better, but it's still a decent deal for them and one which will improve over time.

Laughable to see the SNP seize on this 'betrayal' bearing in mind their stance on the Common Fisheries Policy.

That’s what the Tories promised them though. Just because their betrayal was totally predictable does not make it any less real.


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[ronaldo7]

Agreed. It's mostly posturing because they didn't get the fantasy deal of exclusive rights to waters off the UK. Yes, having voted in big numbers for Brexit they would have hoped for a bit better, but it's still a decent deal for them and one which will improve over time.

Laughable to see the SNP seize on this 'betrayal' bearing in mind their stance on the Common Fisheries Policy.

Do you have any idea what their stance is, given you seem to think it's laughable?

[ronaldo7]

Nicola Sturgeon is to "ask" the UK GOV if Scotland can remain part of the Eurasmus scheme.

Will she get an answer.

[Jack]

Agreed. It's mostly posturing because they didn't get the fantasy deal of exclusive rights to waters off the UK. Yes, having voted in big numbers for Brexit they would have hoped for a bit better, but it's still a decent deal for them and one which will improve over time.

Laughable to see the SNP seize on this 'betrayal' bearing in mind their stance on the Common Fisheries Policy.

In what way is it decent, compared with what was promised by the torys, and how do you think it will improve?

[RyeSloan]

Do you have any idea what their stance is, given you seem to think it's laughable?

It’s a rather opaque one is it not...

SNP.org talks about a fair deal and campaigning for huge reform or scrapping of the CFP and at the same time full control within Scotland of fisheries.

None of which would, of course, be remotely possible within the EU.

So I’m really none the wiser of what, in practical terms, their stance actually is...happy for you enlighten further beyond the muddled jumble above.

[Ozyhibby]

It’s a rather opaque one is it not...

SNP.org talks about a fair deal and campaigning for huge reform or scrapping of the CFP and at the same time full control within Scotland of fisheries.

None of which would, of course, be remotely possible within the EU.

So I’m really none the wiser of what, in practical terms, their stance actually is...happy for you enlighten further beyond the muddled jumble above.

You can’t reform the EU? Surely that is not true?


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[RyeSloan]

You can’t reform the EU? Surely that is not true?


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Dunno why you are quoting my post when making that statement.

I said that the scrapping of the CFP and Scotland having complete control of fishing would be not be remotely possible within the EU. All of which appear to be stated aims of the SNP.

As I said of someone wants to clarify how those aims can be reconciled to any clear practical outcome I’m more than happy to listen.

[ronaldo7]

]It’s a rather opaque one is it not[/B]...

SNP.org talks about a fair deal and campaigning for huge reform or scrapping of the CFP and at the same time full control within Scotland of fisheries.

None of which would, of course, be remotely possible within the EU.

So I’m really none the wiser of what, in practical terms, their stance actually is...happy for you enlighten further beyond the muddled jumble above.

I'd say changeable. :wink: Reform of the CFP would be a good start, as it's part of the policy. :aok:

I was hoping that GBY was going to enlighten us, and give us all a laugh.

Fishing is supposed to be devolved, and as such the Scottish ministers should have been involved in the talks regarding the subject, but it's always been something that the UK GOV can't let go. They even preferred an English Lord at the table negotiating whilst we were in the EU. Kept the silly jocks on the side lines again.

Now that they've rail roaded the Internal market bill through the commons, it looks like the UK government want to take control.

[G B Young]

I'd say changeable. :wink: Reform of the CFP would be a good start, as it's part of the policy. :aok:

I was hoping that GBY was going to enlighten us, and give us all a laugh.

Fishing is supposed to be devolved, and as such the Scottish ministers should have been involved in the talks regarding the subject, but it's always been something that the UK GOV can't let go. They even preferred an English Lord at the table negotiating whilst we were in the EU. Kept the silly jocks on the side lines again.

Now that they've rail roaded the Internal market bill through the commons, it looks like the UK government want to take control.

Just spotted this :-)

It just seems to me rich that the SNP are bemoaning a deal which improves the lot of the Scottish fishing industry yet their own policy would be to remain wedded to a policy which Scottish fisherman have long claimed is putting their livelihoods under threat.

[lapsedhibee]

It just seems to me rich that the SNP are bemoaning a deal which improves the lot of the Scottish fishing industry yet their own policy would be to remain wedded to a policy which Scottish fisherman have long claimed is putting their livelihoods under threat.

Andrew Locker, the director of the family-run business Lockers Trawlers, which operates two fishing boats out of Peterhead in Aberdeenshire, said 2021 was going to be challenging for many who worked on the North Sea because the system of quota swapping was being lost.

“I don’t know how the hell we’re going to get through 2021,” he said. “We used to swap quota we didn’t want with quota the French or Germans didn’t want and that enabled us to put together an annual fishing plan.

“This year we’re going to be woefully short of the amount of saithe, hake and cod we can catch. I’m angry, disappointed and betrayed.”

Elspeth Macdonald, the chief executive of the Scottish Fishermen’s Federation, said she did not believe the deal delivered what had been promised.

She said: “The principles that the government said it supported – control over access, quota shares based on zonal attachment, annual negotiations – do not appear to be central to the agreement. After all the promises given to the industry, that is hugely disappointing.”

There is also concern about export of fish from the UK to mainland Europe. Tavish Scott, the chief executive of the Scottish Salmon Producers’ Organisation, said: “Brexit means the Scottish salmon sector now face the reality of lots more red tape, bureaucracy and paperwork which are the reality of the extra trade barriers.”

[Ozyhibby]

Just spotted this :-)

It just seems to me rich that the SNP are bemoaning a deal which improves the lot of the Scottish fishing industry yet their own policy would be to remain wedded to a policy which Scottish fisherman have long claimed is putting their livelihoods under threat.

Improves the lot of the Scottish fishing industry? Are you sure?


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[ronaldo7]

Just spotted this :-)

It just seems to me rich that the SNP are bemoaning a deal which improves the lot of the Scottish fishing industry yet their own policy would be to remain wedded to a policy which Scottish fisherman have long claimed is putting their livelihoods under threat.

Not according to the Scottish Fishing Industry.

Where are you getting your information?

Andrew Locker, chairman of the National Federation of Fishermen’s Organisations, said they would be “absolutely worse off” as a result of the deal.

When Boris Johnson and his Government promised Brexit to the fishermen he promised none of us would be worse off

Andrew Locker, National Federation of Fishermen’s Organisations
“I am angry, disappointed and betrayed. Boris Johnson promised us the rights to all the fish that swim in our exclusive economic zone and we have got a fraction of that,” he told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme.

“We are absolutely worse off. When we were within the EU we used to trade fish with the EU. We used to swap things we didn’t use with fish that they didn’t use and that enabled us to put together an annual fishing plan.

“What we have got now is a fraction of what we were promised through Brexit. We are going to really, really struggle this year.

“When Boris Johnson and his Government promised Brexit to the fishermen he promised none of us would be worse off. There is a considerable amount of fishermen – small families, small communities – absolutely worse off by this deal.”

[Ozyhibby]

https://jonworth.eu/on-the-brexit-deal-and-erasmus-the-snp-appear-clear-and-decisive-and-labour-contorted-and-confused/


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[ronaldo7]

https://jonworth.eu/on-the-brexit-deal-and-erasmus-the-snp-appear-clear-and-decisive-and-labour-contorted-and-confused/


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Thanks for that. :aok:

[Ozyhibby]

Labour and Tories with joint messaging today that the SNP is the party of ‘no deal’. Apart from the obvious embarrassment at their apparent merger, do they really think that this will cut through with the electorate and people will start to believe the SNP want a no deal brexit?


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[Hibrandenburg]

Not according to the Scottish Fishing Industry.

Where are you getting your information?

Andrew Locker, chairman of the National Federation of Fishermen’s Organisations, said they would be “absolutely worse off” as a result of the deal.

When Boris Johnson and his Government promised Brexit to the fishermen he promised none of us would be worse off

Andrew Locker, National Federation of Fishermen’s Organisations
“I am angry, disappointed and betrayed. Boris Johnson promised us the rights to all the fish that swim in our exclusive economic zone and we have got a fraction of that,” he told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme.

“We are absolutely worse off. When we were within the EU we used to trade fish with the EU. We used to swap things we didn’t use with fish that they didn’t use and that enabled us to put together an annual fishing plan.

“What we have got now is a fraction of what we were promised through Brexit. We are going to really, really struggle this year.

“When Boris Johnson and his Government promised Brexit to the fishermen he promised none of us would be worse off. There is a considerable amount of fishermen – small families, small communities – absolutely worse off by this deal.”

It's almost as if they expect sole rights to fishing in UK waters but with permission to fish in EU waters and be able to sell their catch tariff free in the EU. The words having, eating and cake come to mind.

[Callum_62]

Labour and Tories with joint messaging today that the SNP is the party of ‘no deal’. Apart from the obvious embarrassment at their apparent merger, do they really think that this will cut through with the electorate and people will start to believe the SNP want a no deal brexit?


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Are any other parties in the UK voting against it?

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[GlesgaeHibby]

https://twitter.com/AlynSmith/status/1343254520554541056

Somebody might want to point out to Alyn Smith that we've already left the EU. It's a vote between deal or no deal, not between deal v EU membership as he is bizarrely trying to claim.

[greenlex]

It's almost as if they expect sole rights to fishing in UK waters but with permission to fish in EU waters and be able to sell their catch tariff free in the EU. The words having, eating and cake come to mind.

It’s what they thought they were promised. Cake and eat it? What’s not to like.?

[ronaldo7]

Labour and Tories with joint messaging today that the SNP is the party of ‘no deal’. Apart from the obvious embarrassment at their apparent merger, do they really think that this will cut through with the electorate and people will start to believe the SNP want a no deal brexit?


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It's almost like the last 4 and a half years didn't happen.

The SNP laid motions in the Uk parliament ruling out a no deal "under any circumstances"

We lost the vote by 288 to 324 with several Labour MP's voting with the Tories. Quelle surprise.

[weecounty hibby]

https://twitter.com/AlynSmith/status/1343254520554541056

Somebody might want to point out to Alyn Smith that we've already left the EU. It's a vote between deal or no deal, not between deal v EU membership as he is bizarrely trying to claim.

It will sail through as the right wing xenophobes have an 80 seat majority. Those voting against or abstaining are basically saying this is on you and we are not complicit. Labour will be complicit by voting for it. There is no need to whip for an acceptance. Labour are ****ing pathetic

[Radium]

https://twitter.com/AlynSmith/status/1343254520554541056

Somebody might want to point out to Alyn Smith that we've already left the EU. It's a vote between deal or no deal, not between deal v EU membership as he is bizarrely trying to claim.

... or is it a procedural vote that will have no effect on whether the Westminster Government are able to sign the trade deal but does give room for political backslapping

https://twitter.com/lukecooper100/status/1343517157318078465?s=21


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[Bostonhibby]

It’s what they thought they were promised. Cake and eat it? What’s not to like.?I'm still waiting on Bozo to promise us cakes, even a battenburg would be a step in the right direction at this stage, didn't he say something about levelling the country up recently?

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[Ozyhibby]

I'm still waiting on Bozo to promise us cakes, even a battenburg would be a step in the right direction at this stage, didn't he say something about levelling the country up recently?

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Levelling up most certainly does not mean Scotland. Luckily for us, it’s an empty promise anyway.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.cer.eu/insights/ten-reflections-sovereignty-first-brexit


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[Bostonhibby]

Levelling up most certainly does not mean Scotland. Luckily for us, it’s an empty promise anyway.


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I think he's more likely to be actually levelling most of the North of England many of whom were attracted by the soundbites.

Scotland sadly could be collateral damage as he has no feel for the country, nor do the third rate folk who represent his goverment in Scotland.



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[Moulin Yarns]

Levelling up most certainly does not mean Scotland. Luckily for us, it’s an empty promise anyway.


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That's good news for munro baggers. 😉

[G B Young]

Not according to the Scottish Fishing Industry.

Where are you getting your information?

Andrew Locker, chairman of the National Federation of Fishermen’s Organisations, said they would be “absolutely worse off” as a result of the deal.

When Boris Johnson and his Government promised Brexit to the fishermen he promised none of us would be worse off

Andrew Locker, National Federation of Fishermen’s Organisations
“I am angry, disappointed and betrayed. Boris Johnson promised us the rights to all the fish that swim in our exclusive economic zone and we have got a fraction of that,” he told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme.

“We are absolutely worse off. When we were within the EU we used to trade fish with the EU. We used to swap things we didn’t use with fish that they didn’t use and that enabled us to put together an annual fishing plan.

“What we have got now is a fraction of what we were promised through Brexit. We are going to really, really struggle this year.

“When Boris Johnson and his Government promised Brexit to the fishermen he promised none of us would be worse off. There is a considerable amount of fishermen – small families, small communities – absolutely worse off by this deal.”

Fair enough, I'm not going to claim I know more than him. It just seems to me when reading this breakdown of the how the fishing programme will be phased in that it ultimately leaves our fishing fleets in a significantly stronger position:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55465081

[G B Young]

Labour and Tories with joint messaging today that the SNP is the party of ‘no deal’. Apart from the obvious embarrassment at their apparent merger, do they really think that this will cut through with the electorate and people will start to believe the SNP want a no deal brexit?


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Am I right in thinking that if this vote were to fail, then we'd leave the EU with no deal? That being the case what is the SNP's vote to reject the deal meant to signify?

If they don't want to be accused of backing no deal they'd be better just abstaining.

[Ozyhibby]

Am I right in thinking that if this vote were to fail, then we'd leave the EU with no deal? That being the case what is the SNP's vote to reject the deal meant to signify?

If they don't want to be accused of backing no deal they'd be better just abstaining.

If the vote fails then the UK govt would have a decision to make. That’s not on whoever votes against the bill.


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[weecounty hibby]

Am I right in thinking that if this vote were to fail, then we'd leave the EU with no deal? That being the case what is the SNP's vote to reject the deal meant to signify?

If they don't want to be accused of backing no deal they'd be better just abstaining.

You know as well as everyone else that the vote will be won by the Tories regardless of how any other party votes. They have an 80 seat majority. This is about saying that the whole **** show that will follow is the fault of the Tories and them alone. It seems that all other parties except the Labour party are either voting against or abstaining. The truly pathetic Labour party are trying to win back voters by following the Tories rather than by doing something different.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/antonspisak/status/1343519072416362498?s=21

Thread worth a read.


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[weecounty hibby]

Also remember when it was apparently that a no deal was better than a bad deal? Right now no one ****ing knows how the deal will end up as they have had about 5 minutes to read 1200+ pages of detail.

[cabbageandribs1875]

jan 15,2020


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpQfoWGIDRg

[Hibrandenburg]

Did anyone see the interview with the guy who owned a glass eel farm/factory on Sky News yesterday? His eels were exported exclusively to the EU and his business was now on the verge of collapse.

He said "I might have voted differently in the referendum if I'd known that Brexit might cost jobs or even my business".

Seriously?

[Bostonhibby]

Did anyone see the interview with the guy who owned a glass eel farm/factory on Sky News yesterday? His eels were exported exclusively to the EU and his business was now on the verge of collapse.

He said "I might have voted differently in the referendum if I'd known that Brexit might cost jobs or even my business".

Seriously?What was probably needed was some sort of 3 word slogan on the side of a bus so we knew exactly what was being voted for.

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[lord bunberry]

Did anyone see the interview with the guy who owned a glass eel farm/factory on Sky News yesterday? His eels were exported exclusively to the EU and his business was now on the verge of collapse.

He said "I might have voted differently in the referendum if I'd known that Brexit might cost jobs or even my business".

Seriously?
It’s incredible that someone can be clever enough to run a successful business and at the same time be so stupid not to realise that cutting off his main source of income might be a bad idea. The mind boggles.

[Kato]

It’s incredible that someone can be clever enough to run a successful business and at the same time be so stupid not to realise that cutting off his main source of income might be a bad idea. The mind boggles.For a lot of people Brexit wasn't an intellectual choice, it was more an emotional response. So when guys like the above see the Union Jack being waved or hears some ancient English war dirge being sung any actual thinking just goes straight out the window, especially if a toff is delivering the message.

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[lord bunberry]

For a lot of people Brexit wasn't an intellectual choice, it was more an emotional response. So when guys like the above see the Union Jack being waved or hears some ancient English war dirge being sung any actual thinking just goes straight out the window, especially if a toff is delivering the message.

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And when the music stops and the flags are put away they’ll reap what they’ve sown.

[Kato]

And when the music stops and the flags are put away they’ll reap what they’ve sown.That penny has dropped with quite a few people since the vote. For those that are embarrassed by it some just double down and some just refuse to admit their mistake. However for a lot of people the flag waving is the whole point.

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[ronaldo7]

Fair enough, I'm not going to claim I know more than him. It just seems to me when reading this breakdown of the how the fishing programme will be phased in that it ultimately leaves our fishing fleets in a significantly stronger position:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55465081

Take a wee look at this. It might save you from having a go at the CFP next time. :wink:

https://t.co/9GbVMNK5Hz?amp=1

Scotland’s fishing sector adversely impacted by exit agreement.

The Brexit fisheries deal negotiated by the UK Government will mean a fall in the quantity of key fishing stocks landed by the Scottish fleet, according to Scottish Government analysis.

Scotland’s valuable staple fish stocks include Cod, Haddock, Whiting and Saithe. Far from having substantial increased opportunities in the future, the Scottish industry will have access to fewer of these fish than under the existing Common Fisheries Policy arrangements – even at the end of the five and half year phase-in period, according to the analysis.

These are the white fish stocks that a significant part of Scotland’s family-owned fishing fleet is dependent upon for their livelihoods and the shares even in five and a half years’ time, will still be less than their equivalents now. This also has a potential knock on effect for harbours, fish markets and processors – fewer fish caught means fewer being landed and sold on for processing in facilities all around Scotland.

Cod and Saithe landings will be hit particularly hard.

Pelagic landings (such as mackerel and herring) and some other stocks will see a modest gain.

At present Scottish boats land fish by a variety of means:

by catching quota that has been allocated to the Scottish industry
by leasing extra quota from other producers that cannot or do not want to fish as much as they have been allocated for a particular stock
by swapping quotas of fish that we have and still need but other countries want more of
Leasing and swapping quota is required to allow vessels to operate legally in very complex mixed fisheries in the northern waters of the Scottish fishing zone.

Under the Brexit deal, the swapping of quotas with individual member states will no longer be allowed and leasing will be prohibitively expensive, reducing the quantity of fish in key stocks available for the Scottish industry to land.

The amount of fish caught by the Scottish industry will also fall because a special scheme (called the Hague Preference) which gave Scottish boats extra quota has also been lost under the Brexit deal. An entitlement that was used every year and is a further loss of fishing quotas valued at over £9 million.

[Peevemor]

Take a wee look at this. It might save you from having a go at the CFP next time. :wink:

https://t.co/9GbVMNK5Hz?amp=1

Scotland’s fishing sector adversely impacted by exit agreement.

The Brexit fisheries deal negotiated by the UK Government will mean a fall in the quantity of key fishing stocks landed by the Scottish fleet, according to Scottish Government analysis.

Scotland’s valuable staple fish stocks include Cod, Haddock, Whiting and Saithe. Far from having substantial increased opportunities in the future, the Scottish industry will have access to fewer of these fish than under the existing Common Fisheries Policy arrangements – even at the end of the five and half year phase-in period, according to the analysis.

These are the white fish stocks that a significant part of Scotland’s family-owned fishing fleet is dependent upon for their livelihoods and the shares even in five and a half years’ time, will still be less than their equivalents now. This also has a potential knock on effect for harbours, fish markets and processors – fewer fish caught means fewer being landed and sold on for processing in facilities all around Scotland.

Cod and Saithe landings will be hit particularly hard.

Pelagic landings (such as mackerel and herring) and some other stocks will see a modest gain.

At present Scottish boats land fish by a variety of means:

by catching quota that has been allocated to the Scottish industry
by leasing extra quota from other producers that cannot or do not want to fish as much as they have been allocated for a particular stock
by swapping quotas of fish that we have and still need but other countries want more of
Leasing and swapping quota is required to allow vessels to operate legally in very complex mixed fisheries in the northern waters of the Scottish fishing zone.

Under the Brexit deal, the swapping of quotas with individual member states will no longer be allowed and leasing will be prohibitively expensive, reducing the quantity of fish in key stocks available for the Scottish industry to land.

The amount of fish caught by the Scottish industry will also fall because a special scheme (called the Hague Preference) which gave Scottish boats extra quota has also been lost under the Brexit deal. An entitlement that was used every year and is a further loss of fishing quotas valued at over £9 million.I could be wrong, but was the Scottish (and UK) fishing industry not generally pro-Brexit at the time of the referendum? Pretty astonishing given that Scotland's vast fishing grounds (?) were always going to be one of the first things sacrificed by the Westminster government when trying to iron out a deal.

[bigwheel]

I could be wrong, but was the Scottish (and UK) fishing industry not generally pro-Brexit at the time of the referendum? Pretty astonishing given that Scotland's vast fishing grounds (?) were always going to be one of the first things sacrificed by the Westminster government when trying to iron out a deal.

Think they were, but again they were promised the world would be better for them post Brexit. Like many people who voted for it , they’ve been lied to and duped.

[G B Young]

I could be wrong, but was the Scottish (and UK) fishing industry not generally pro-Brexit at the time of the referendum? Pretty astonishing given that Scotland's vast fishing grounds (?) were always going to be one of the first things sacrificed by the Westminster government when trying to iron out a deal.

Very much so:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/04/scotland-fishing-federation-ministers-brexit-eu-referendum

Probably played a part in the number of Scottish Tory seats won at the 2017 election.

Also mentioned in that article:

While many parts of Scotland voted heavily in favour of the EU, Moray came within 122 votes (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-live-results-and-analysis) of backing leave at the referendum. Across Scotland, it is estimated that about 30% of SNP voters supported the leave campaign – the largest anti-EU group in the country.

[Peevemor]

Think they were, but again they were promised the world would be better for them post Brexit. Like many people who voted for it , they’ve been lied to and duped.I'm not an economist, nor am I particularly politically astute, but even I could see what was going to happen.

[ronaldo7]

I could be wrong, but was the Scottish (and UK) fishing industry not generally pro-Brexit at the time of the referendum? Pretty astonishing given that Scotland's vast fishing grounds (?) were always going to be one of the first things sacrificed by the Westminster government when trying to iron out a deal.

Yes they were. Shafted by the Tories time and again, but still go back for more.

They probably thought the EU would roll over and they'd be able to fish as many fish as they wanted.

[stantonhibby]

Interesting responses to pro Brexit voters on here - the English eel farmer can reap what he sows but the Scottish Fisheries Industry were lied to/duped/shafted.

[Ozyhibby]

Interesting responses to pro Brexit voters on here - the English eel farmer can reap what he sows but the Scottish Fisheries Industry were lied to/duped/shafted.

The Scottish fishermen can reap what they sow as well. They have been conned by the Tories so many times that the blame cannot be put on the Tories anymore.


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[G B Young]

Take a wee look at this. It might save you from having a go at the CFP next time. :wink:

https://t.co/9GbVMNK5Hz?amp=1

Scotland’s fishing sector adversely impacted by exit agreement.

The Brexit fisheries deal negotiated by the UK Government will mean a fall in the quantity of key fishing stocks landed by the Scottish fleet, according to Scottish Government analysis.

Scotland’s valuable staple fish stocks include Cod, Haddock, Whiting and Saithe. Far from having substantial increased opportunities in the future, the Scottish industry will have access to fewer of these fish than under the existing Common Fisheries Policy arrangements – even at the end of the five and half year phase-in period, according to the analysis.

These are the white fish stocks that a significant part of Scotland’s family-owned fishing fleet is dependent upon for their livelihoods and the shares even in five and a half years’ time, will still be less than their equivalents now. This also has a potential knock on effect for harbours, fish markets and processors – fewer fish caught means fewer being landed and sold on for processing in facilities all around Scotland.

Cod and Saithe landings will be hit particularly hard.

Pelagic landings (such as mackerel and herring) and some other stocks will see a modest gain.

At present Scottish boats land fish by a variety of means:

by catching quota that has been allocated to the Scottish industry
by leasing extra quota from other producers that cannot or do not want to fish as much as they have been allocated for a particular stock
by swapping quotas of fish that we have and still need but other countries want more of
Leasing and swapping quota is required to allow vessels to operate legally in very complex mixed fisheries in the northern waters of the Scottish fishing zone.

Under the Brexit deal, the swapping of quotas with individual member states will no longer be allowed and leasing will be prohibitively expensive, reducing the quantity of fish in key stocks available for the Scottish industry to land.

The amount of fish caught by the Scottish industry will also fall because a special scheme (called the Hague Preference) which gave Scottish boats extra quota has also been lost under the Brexit deal. An entitlement that was used every year and is a further loss of fishing quotas valued at over £9 million.

Thanks.

I don't think I'm wrong though in suggesting that the CFP is far from beloved by the UK fishing industry?

As for the current row over fishing I'll be surprised if there isn't a good deal of political manoeuvering and compromise/compensation to come.

[Jack]

Think they were, but again they were promised the world would be better for them post Brexit. Like many people who voted for it , they’ve been lied to and duped.

Yup, all the fish in UK waters would be exclusive to UK fishermen, and obviously the foreign boats that had bought UK licences from them.

With the easiest negotiations in history who'd have thought those pesky EU folk could slam huge tariffs on our exports and decimate their market.

It's as though the fisherfolk were too thick to think things through never mind the despicable lying torys.

[lapsedhibee]

Interesting responses to pro Brexit voters on here - the English eel farmer can reap what he sows but the Scottish Fisheries Industry were lied to/duped/shafted.
All Brexit voters were lied to, English and Scottish. So were anti-Brexit voters - they just didn't believe all the lies.

[G B Young]

Interesting responses to pro Brexit voters on here - the English eel farmer can reap what he sows but the Scottish Fisheries Industry were lied to/duped/shafted.


Are there any pro Brexit voters on here?

[stantonhibby]

Are there any pro Brexit voters on here?

I meant the posts quoting or discussing pro Brexit voters, not actual posters on here.

[stantonhibby]

All Brexit voters were lied to, English and Scottish. So were anti-Brexit voters - they just didn't believe all the lies.

Agreed

[ronaldo7]

Thanks.

I don't think I'm wrong though in suggesting that the CFP is far from beloved by the UK fishing industry?

As for the current row over fishing I'll be surprised if there isn't a good deal of political manoeuvering and compromise/compensation to come.

Indubitably.

They've always had a go at it. They thought they'd be getting all the fish in the sea back for them alone, or at least have a better deal than they had under the CFP. It seems as if the UKGov have played a blinder here, and negotiated worse than we had.

[lord bunberry]

Interesting responses to pro Brexit voters on here - the English eel farmer can reap what he sows but the Scottish Fisheries Industry were lied to/duped/shafted.
They all have to reap what they’ve sown. A large number of fishermen voted for brexit knowing it would be detrimental to other industries, they then voted Tory at the election. I’ve not got a problem with that, everyone votes for what they think will be best for them, but I’ve no sympathy for anyone who puts their trust in the Tories. The eel farmer and the fishermen both fall into the same category.

[bigwheel]

Interesting responses to pro Brexit voters on here - the English eel farmer can reap what he sows but the Scottish Fisheries Industry were lied to/duped/shafted.

The reality is we are all reaping what was sown - regardless of how you voted ....

[Hibrandenburg]

Interesting responses to pro Brexit voters on here - the English eel farmer can reap what he sows but the Scottish Fisheries Industry were lied to/duped/shafted.

Both have got themselves at least partly to blame. The Scottish Fishing Industry wanted to eat their cake and have it and they trusted the Tories to deliver it, I'm finding it hard to sympathise with their situation.

[ronaldo7]

This gives a bit of a timeline on what the Tories have done to the Scottish Fishing Industry over the years.

https://www.snp.org/tory-fishingsellout/

Just waiting on the resignations now.

[Peevemor]

Interesting responses to pro Brexit voters on here - the English eel farmer can reap what he sows but the Scottish Fisheries Industry were lied to/duped/shafted.I know even less about eel farming than I do about fishing so I'm definitely not going to comment.

I'm just wondering though whether Frenchmen & Spaniards show up on English farms & help themselves to the eels?

[Bostonhibby]

Don't see what the fishermen expect here, a majority made the brexit leap of faith and they've got Michael Gove telling them what a fantastic deal it is.



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[bigwheel]

This is worth a watch ..a devastating critique on the inconsistency and sheer Brexit lies and audacity of Boris ..


https://twitter.com/femi_sorry/status/1343611393879252996?s=21

[ronaldo7]

Did anyone see the interview with the guy who owned a glass eel farm/factory on Sky News yesterday? His eels were exported exclusively to the EU and his business was now on the verge of collapse.

He said "I might have voted differently in the referendum if I'd known that Brexit might cost jobs or even my business".

Seriously?

Just watched it on Twitter. He seemed rather downbeat about the thought that "Global Britain" wasn't going to be a thing anymore.

[ronaldo7]

This is worth a watch ..a devastating critique on the inconsistency and sheer Brexit lies and audacity of Boris ..


https://twitter.com/femi_sorry/status/1343611393879252996?s=21

:aok:

[Lendo]

Did anyone see the interview with the guy who owned a glass eel farm/factory on Sky News yesterday? His eels were exported exclusively to the EU and his business was now on the verge of collapse.

He said "I might have voted differently in the referendum if I'd known that Brexit might cost jobs or even my business".

Seriously?

That’s hilarious. What sort of utter moron votes to leave the EU when your business model 100% relies on it? Sounds harsh but he deserves everything he gets.

[Kato]

This is worth a watch ..a devastating critique on the inconsistency and sheer Brexit lies and audacity of Boris ..


https://twitter.com/femi_sorry/status/1343611393879252996?s=21

So basically every single thing he promised has been renaged on but he's still allowed to claim victory via the press/BBC unchallenged. Seems fair, if you live in a banana republic/fascist state.

A political vandal constantly hailed as a "good leader" and a "good laugh", this country is really, really weird.

[McD]

For a lot of people Brexit wasn't an intellectual choice, it was more an emotional response. So when guys like the above see the Union Jack being waved or hears some ancient English war dirge being sung any actual thinking just goes straight out the window, especially if a toff is delivering the message.

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i think there’s a lot of arrogance been present in pro-brexit minds, much of which is rooted in decades old thinking. I’ve heard people still talking along the lines of ‘you’d be talking German if it wasn’t for us’, or ‘we saved you from the nazi jackboot’, and expect these European nations to cowtow to whatever demands the British govt made.

they won’t hear a word that they’re referring to events 75+ years ago, and that these are all individual nations who work in tandem for the collective greater good, and that they are just as entitled to do what suits them best rather than what suits some of the UK best.

and these same people will be the first to whine and complain when they’re longer getting through the airports when going on holiday, and that their favourite food/drink/etc is suddenly more expensive, and will blame the Europeans for those things too.

[ronaldo7]

Elspeth McDonald, Chief Executive of the Scottish Fishermen's Federation, shooting from the hip again.

Brexit deal falls ‘far short of commitments and promises’

“Although we are glad to be out of the CFP, our battle to secure better arrangements for our fishermen is far from over. We are now a coastal state with one hand tied behind our back and the industry’s task in the months and years ahead is to right the wrongs of this deal.”

https://www.sff.co.uk/brexit-deal-falls-far-short-of-commitments-and-promises/

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55475433


🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55475433


[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

Hope we didn’t swap any fish for a 90’s browser?


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[Hibbyradge]

https://twitter.com/HackedOffHugh/status/1343890893745565696?s=09

[cabbageandribs1875]

come on moothpiece, do it, Liar

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/134355003_1679523788891728_7362254605771412_n.jpg? _nc_cat=100&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=-l_dG1wKLXMAX-QxB7l&_nc_oc=AQm4fQw4F4R4JM_ha0VeMoYjTi-Npy87xr2WroT_4Tc0WavYT5Duw-jHUd58tikY9MI&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=013b37efb15fdec1bd91f138a3e07eec&oe=6012A8C1

[cabbageandribs1875]

brilliant stuff from the first minister... telt :agree: and i bet she wanted to say so much more, in not so pleasant language



https://twitter.com/rosscolquhoun/status/1344329408031633408?s=20&fbclid=IwAR3CD3-jrGfFOE53q15VCLd9Q0lkkagvGxjTxlFSJFb4-JpFLuIiU3x6RSY

[DaveF]

I see Bozo's dad has applied for French citizenship.

[Callum_62]

I see Bozo's dad has applied for French citizenship.Why on earth would he need that?

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[Lendo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55499773

Honestly, you couldn’t make it up. Just like Farage and his kids applying for German passports after the referendum.

[Smartie]

It would be great if Germany, France and the like could find a way to tell this sorry little shower of a*******s to F off.

[Jack]

It would be great if Germany, France and the like could find a way to tell this sorry little shower of a*******s to F off.

Like this?

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/nigel-lawson-to-quit-france-to-return-to-the-uk-41680

[ballengeich]

Why on earth would he need that?

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He voted remain and knows that the UK PM is an idiot.

[Hibernia&Alba]

So that's that then. After 47 years we're out of the club.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

So that's that then. After 47 years we're out of the club.

Door has slammed shut..

[Mon Dieu4]

Made the mistake of checking out happy brexit as it is trending on twitter :bitchy:

[Callum_62]

Made the mistake of checking out happy brexit as it is trending on twitter :bitchy:[emoji636][emoji106]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201231/638a9f5244b8b93eb88c94d3a0047172.jpg

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[Jones28]

Dear EU, please please please please be nice to Scotland when we get independence and want to join the club again.

[neil7908]

Dear EU, please please please please be nice to Scotland when we get independence and want to join the club again.

This.

[Moulin Yarns]

Dear EU, please please please please be nice to Scotland when we get independence and want to join the club again.

👍

[lapsedhibee]

He voted remain and knows that the UK PM is an idiot.

Yep, I don't think Johnson pater can be unduly criticised on grounds of hypocrisy. Would be too too funny though if France could turn him down on grounds of bad character, as his lockdown-dodging exploits will have been noted on The Continent well before it was isolated yesterday.

[Hibrandenburg]

Yep, I don't think Johnson pater can be unduly criticised on grounds of hypocrisy. Would be too too funny though if France could turn him down on grounds of bad character, as his lockdown-dodging exploits will have been noted on The Continent well before it was isolated yesterday.

Unlikely, even in medieval times aristocracy were treated favourably by their own kind on the opposing side and your normal peasant would pay the price.

[cabbageandribs1875]

what a vile PoS this ******d is

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/132874558_3495023680609090_6515776621841196211_o.j pg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=WOZuIAscng8AX_BPJnY&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=bd9b5def67e9521808eddff118195b28&oe=60168053

[Colr]

what a vile PoS this ******d is

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/132874558_3495023680609090_6515776621841196211_o.j pg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=WOZuIAscng8AX_BPJnY&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=bd9b5def67e9521808eddff118195b28&oe=60168053

He’s like a toddler throwing his own **** around to get attention.

[Colr]

Yep, I don't think Johnson pater can be unduly criticised on grounds of hypocrisy. Would be too too funny though if France could turn him down on grounds of bad character, as his lockdown-dodging exploits will have been noted on The Continent well before it was isolated yesterday.

I understand that he has been turned down as he didn’t meet the criteria for citizenship.

[Colr]

Dear EU, please please please please be nice to Scotland when we get independence and want to join the club again.

Wouldn’t our navy and aircraft bases be of use to EU. Could be a good for income and jobs.

[Moulin Yarns]

Wouldn’t our navy and aircraft bases be of use to EU. Could be a good for income and jobs.

What threat to the EU will come from the west or North?

[Hibernia&Alba]

what a vile PoS this ******d is

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/132874558_3495023680609090_6515776621841196211_o.j pg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=WOZuIAscng8AX_BPJnY&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=bd9b5def67e9521808eddff118195b28&oe=60168053

Imagine being a man of that age and talking like that. Truly tragic.

[Colr]

What threat to the EU will come from the west or North?

Mark Gino Francois is preparing an invasion by England as we speak!

[Scorrie]

Imagine being a man of that age and talking like that. Truly tragic.

Aye he is a keyboard hardman. Still hasn’t got the bottle to visit here in Liverpool though!

[lapsedhibee]

Imagine being a man of that age and talking like that. Truly tragic.

Not sure if McKenzie's older or younger than Ian Smith:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/ids-rinsed-after-urging-young-brits-to-buccaneer-trade-and-dominate-the-world/01/01/

[Future17]

Wouldn’t our navy and aircraft bases be of use to EU. Could be a good for income and jobs.


What threat to the EU will come from the west or North?

If there were clowns to the left of us and jokers to the right, we'd be stuck in the middle with EU.

[stu in nottingham]

Aye he is a keyboard hardman. Still hasn’t got the bottle to visit here in Liverpool though!

A bit like when Farage visited Nottingham. Guy threw an egg at him and he ran away surrounded by bodyguards! He's been scarce around these parts since.

[greenlex]

A bit like when Farage visited Nottingham. Guy threw an egg at him and he ran away surrounded by bodyguards! He's been scarce around these parts since.
And Edinburgh. He was crying racist as he was run out of town.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2013/may/17/ukip-nigel-farage-protesters-edinburgh-video


I don’t think he’s been back.

[Callum_62]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/01/residents-furious-brexit-lorry-park-kent-village

You would be raging if your were a local to be fair

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[Jones28]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/01/residents-furious-brexit-lorry-park-kent-village

You would be raging if your were a local to be fair

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Why the **** are they building a whole new site when they’ve already got a larger site on an old airfield so near to it?

Jobs for the boys?

[cabbageandribs1875]

something else the tory ****s slipped through parliament without scrutiny



https://bylinetimes.com/2021/01/04/uk-faces-trade-boycott-after-brexit-vat-change/?fbclid=IwAR1FRpPXeaKhFK7MZNAcPF4PuOYX0V5LCpe6dTZI wE2XhYexi8IVdgsEnK0


The UK is facing a damaging trade boycott from European and US Businesses after a new post-Brexit law changing the VAT system was rushed virtually unopposed through parliament eight days before christmas.

[degenerated]

something else the tory ****s slipped through parliament without scrutiny



https://bylinetimes.com/2021/01/04/uk-faces-trade-boycott-after-brexit-vat-change/?fbclid=IwAR1FRpPXeaKhFK7MZNAcPF4PuOYX0V5LCpe6dTZI wE2XhYexi8IVdgsEnK0


The UK is facing a damaging trade boycott from European and US Businesses after a new post-Brexit law changing the VAT system was rushed virtually unopposed through parliament eight days before christmas.Was reading about that when I noticed a record shop i had used previously had stopped selling to UK as they were now expected to collect VAT on UK government behalf, register with HMRC to pay it, submit twice yearly returns for audit and pay HMRC an annual fee of around £1400 for the use of their services.

[ballengeich]

something else the tory ****s slipped through parliament without scrutiny



https://bylinetimes.com/2021/01/04/uk-faces-trade-boycott-after-brexit-vat-change/?fbclid=IwAR1FRpPXeaKhFK7MZNAcPF4PuOYX0V5LCpe6dTZI wE2XhYexi8IVdgsEnK0


The UK is facing a damaging trade boycott from European and US Businesses after a new post-Brexit law changing the VAT system was rushed virtually unopposed through parliament eight days before christmas.
Ah well - at least it'll reduce the deficit on trade in goods if no-one sells to us.

[Bristolhibby]

Was reading about that when I noticed a record shop i had used previously had stopped selling to UK as they were now expected to collect VAT on UK government behalf, register with HMRC to pay it, submit twice yearly returns for audit and pay HMRC an annual fee of around £1400 for the use of their services.

They will have to row back on that pretty riki-tik. Otherwise trade and our markets will be stuffed.

My son ordered some toy figures with his Christmas money. They are coming from Germany. Unlikely to get them now.

J

[wookie70]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/01/residents-furious-brexit-lorry-park-kent-village

You would be raging if your were a local to be fair

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The Dover area voted massively in favour of Brexit. There was always a chance we would need a customs border and Dover has to be one of the most obvious places infrastructure would be required and that infrastructure would have to be near the port. I can understand the remain voters being annoyed but leave voters are getting a fairly obvious consequence of their vote. They should be waving bunting not moaning about it.

I quite like that one of the quintessentially English landmarks is now a lorry site, epitome of Brexit to me.

[wookie70]

Why the **** are they building a whole new site when they’ve already got a larger site on an old airfield so near to it?

Jobs for the boys?

The airfield mentioned in the article as currently being used is 20 miles away to the north. I guess lots of freight will be heading to London so that might add an hour to their journey plus fuel etc. Seems a no brainer to have the customs check close to the port for security and the convenience of drivers. Not much point taking your borders back and allowing lorries to drive 20 miles away from the port of entry for a customs check.

[greenlex]

Got something ordered from Germany at work today. Usually a three -four day turnaround for delivery on this particular item. I Knew it would be longer so ordered early.. Not early enough it appears. They are saying TWO MONTHS!!! Good job I’m working my notice period with three weeks to go. :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

Was reading about that when I noticed a record shop i had used previously had stopped selling to UK as they were now expected to collect VAT on UK government behalf, register with HMRC to pay it, submit twice yearly returns for audit and pay HMRC an annual fee of around £1400 for the use of their services.


i've saw a few examples like this......


24190

[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.ft.com/content/c068fc5f-dfe4-4890-8153-a59e1833c100?__twitter_impression=true

Problems starting for food industry. Prices very likely to rise.


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[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jan/06/fears-highlands-heading-spate-winter-redundancies

Migrant workers in tourism sector leaving the Highlands in their droves.

[Peevemor]

The French ripping the pish

United Kingdom: The World Health Organisation are worried about a new mutation of Boris Johnson.

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[Itsnoteasy]

I see Bozo's dad has applied for French citizenship.

His parents & grand parents were French.

[Hibrandenburg]

The French ripping the pish

United Kingdom: The World Health Organisation are worried about a new mutation of Boris Johnson.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210106/f46651b5265cda9fe4491a6ad933d805.jpg

:faf: Fantastique!

[147lothian]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jan/06/fears-highlands-heading-spate-winter-redundancies

Migrant workers in tourism sector leaving the Highlands in their droves.

The hospitality industry has been devestated, however IMO this is because of the lock down.

[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/07/customers-europe-hit-by-post-brexit-charges-buying-from-uk?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Even without tariffs the costs mean that we are not going to be exporting to the EU very much.
I’ve been ordering a lot online recently and it looks like NI is being totally cut off by UK companies due to the extra costs. Their whole supply chain is now likely to be through Dublin now.


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[Killiehibbie]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/07/customers-europe-hit-by-post-brexit-charges-buying-from-uk?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Even without tariffs the costs mean that we are not going to be exporting to the EU very much.
I’ve been ordering a lot online recently and it looks like NI is being totally cut off by UK companies due to the extra costs. Their whole supply chain is now likely to be through Dublin now.


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Continental buyers should no longer pay UK VAT. That should make goods cheaper until import duty and local vat added.

[Bristolhibby]

They will have to row back on that pretty riki-tik. Otherwise trade and our markets will be stuffed.

My son ordered some toy figures with his Christmas money. They are coming from Germany. Unlikely to get them now.

J

Looks like my sons toys are coming after all. Money just left my account. So sounds like they have solved the problem.

Let’s see how long they take to arrive.

J

[hibsbollah]

The hospitality industry has been devestated, however IMO this is because of the lock down.

Definitely a bit of both. But Brexit definitely a factor for European migrant workers, it couldn’t not be.

[Ozyhibby]

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-david-mcwilliams-podcast/id1462649946?i=1000504577016

Not sure who originally posted a link to this guys podcast but I’ve been addicted since. This new one is interesting on Brexit.


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[ronaldo7]

You couldn't make it up. Leave EU moves to Ireland to keep the EU suffix. :rolleyes:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/leave-eu-moves-to-ireland-to-keep-eu-suffix/06/01/

[ronaldo7]

Frictionless trade eh. Thanks Tories.

https://twitter.com/LochfyneLangous/status/1347186076012654592

[Callum_62]

Frictionless trade eh. Thanks Tories.

https://twitter.com/LochfyneLangous/status/1347186076012654592Dunno what they are greetin about

We now have all the benefits with no downsides

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[wookie70]

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-david-mcwilliams-podcast/id1462649946?i=1000504577016

Not sure who originally posted a link to this guys podcast but I’ve been addicted since. This new one is interesting on Brexit.


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Thanks for the link, very good listen

[Smartie]

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-david-mcwilliams-podcast/id1462649946?i=1000504577016

Not sure who originally posted a link to this guys podcast but I’ve been addicted since. This new one is interesting on Brexit.


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I think someone first put up a link to an interview he did with Mark Blyth - which was excellent, so I'll give this a listen as well when I get the chance.

The Irish perspective on Brexit has been fascinating all along. I have a mate who lives in County Cork and he's been sending me articles over. Fintan O'Toole has been excellent throughout.

[Mr Grieves]

Brexit reality beginning to hit home.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-55584500

[GlesgaeHibby]

Brexit reality beginning to hit home.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-55584500

Funny that, as I remember Boris saying there would be no forms to fill in.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/johnson-tells-northern-ireland-businesses-to-bin-customs-forms-38674258.html

"Boris Johnson has told Northern Ireland businesses they can put customs declarations forms “in the bin” because there will be “no barriers of any kind” to trade crossing the Irish Sea.The Prime Minister has suggested Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay had been wrong to say goods between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK would face checks as a result of the Brexit deal struck with the European Union."

[Keith_M]

Funny that, as I remember Boris saying there would be no forms to fill in.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/johnson-tells-northern-ireland-businesses-to-bin-customs-forms-38674258.html

"Boris Johnson has told Northern Ireland businesses they can put customs declarations forms “in the bin” because there will be “no barriers of any kind” to trade crossing the Irish Sea.The Prime Minister has suggested Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay had been wrong to say goods between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK would face checks as a result of the Brexit deal struck with the European Union."


Did he mention being found dead in a ditch at any point?

[Keith_M]

Continental buyers should no longer pay UK VAT. That should make goods cheaper until import duty and local vat added.


I've heard a few instances of people in Germany that buy UK goods and have been taken aback that VAT and Import Tax was added to the bill. The price they were originally quoted was without VAT and any additional charges.

As an aside, the standard VAT rate in Germany is 19%, so pretty much the same level as the UK.


Incidentally, I posted a few gifts to Germany for Christmas and had to fill in a very detailed export declaration (despite the fact it was just sweets for the kids and a cheap gift for their Mum and Dad).

[greenlex]

DPD have suspended European deliveries.

[ronaldo7]

DPD have suspended European deliveries.

Loads of companies having difficulties with the amount of paperwork they're having to fill in. Marks and Spencer have stopped sending certain product lines to Northern Ireland due to the same situation.

Scottish fishermen can't get their product to market.

The Tories don't give a tootie.

[greenlex]

Loads of companies having difficulties with the amount of paperwork they're having to fill in. Marks and Spencer have stopped sending certain product lines to Northern Ireland due to the same situation.

Scottish fishermen can't get their product to market.

The Tories don't give a tootie.
Percy Pig shortage coming up. Being serious by the way.

[marinello59]

Percy Pig shortage coming up. Being serious by the way.

Nooooooooo! Not Percy Pigs!

[marinello59]

Loads of companies having difficulties with the amount of paperwork they're having to fill in. Marks and Spencer have stopped sending certain product lines to Northern Ireland due to the same situation.

Scottish fishermen can't get their product to market.

The Tories don't give a tootie.

See when Boris said ‘**** Business’. He’s only gone and done it.

[greenlex]

Nooooooooo! Not Percy Pigs!

Made in Germany. Mentioned specifically. 👎

[ronaldo7]

See when Boris said ‘**** Business’. He’s only gone and done it.

Paperwork eh...Just put it in the bin.

[Callum_62]

Paperwork eh...Just put it in the bin.Pass on Boris mobile number surely

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[Ozyhibby]

If you move house now to NI you will need to sign customs declarations. It’s almost like it’s another country now.[emoji23]


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/system-getting-supplies-northern-ireland-may-be-five-days-collapse-due-irish-sea-border-hauliers-warn-michael-gove-3090602

NI supply chain close to collapse.


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[lapsedhibee]

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/system-getting-supplies-northern-ireland-may-be-five-days-collapse-due-irish-sea-border-hauliers-warn-michael-gove-3090602

NI supply chain close to collapse.


That's outrageous by the hauliers. Why are they not following clear government advice to throw paperwork in the bin? :dunno:

[Glory Lurker]

I don't get how they don't just use the trusted trader/camera detection system that was going to be used for NI border with the Republic. Was that not ready to go at the drop of a hat?

[Mr Grieves]

This is ridiculously petty.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-visa-free-work-musicians-eu-brexit-b1784600.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1610221935


The UK rejected an offer of visa-free tours by musicians to EU countries, despite blaming Brussels for what the industry is calling the devastating blow of them requiring permits.

A “standard” proposal to exempt performers from the huge cost and bureaucracy for 90 days was turned down, The Independent has been told – because the government is insisting on denying that to EU artists visiting this country.

[Mr Grieves]

Food and drink Scotland CEO pointing out what Brexit means for our Food and drink exports.

https://twitter.com/scotfoodjames/status/1348228266784649216?s=19


The pain of Brexit this week will be much less visual than many expect. It is unlikely to be the queues of lorries on motorways or on airport runways in Kent. It will be the pain of what is NOT happening: cancelled orders and EU customers starting to go elsewhere for their goods

[Colr]

This is ridiculously petty.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-visa-free-work-musicians-eu-brexit-b1784600.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1610221935

Can’t Pritti Patel or the rest of the Tory OKW want to help out musicians and performers. They’ll regard them as too ‘woke’ and ‘leftie’.

This is a right wing, culture war, after all.

[Radium]

https://twitter.com/owenadamsyt1/status/1348256421331275776?s=21


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[CloudSquall]

https://twitter.com/Santibuesa/status/1348622424758251527

Fish pricing in Peterhead collapsing due to lack of access to exports, some fish selling for 8 quid a box that normally would be priced between 40 to 60 quid a box.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/Santibuesa/status/1348622424758251527

Fish pricing in Peterhead collapsing due to lack of access to exports, some fish selling for 8 quid a box that normally would be priced between 40 to 60 quid a box.

Cheap fish? Brexit bonus.[emoji106]


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[Hibrandenburg]

https://twitter.com/owenadamsyt1/status/1348256421331275776?s=21


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I'm surprised at the outrage this is causing, especially amongst readers of certain newspapers that promoted Brexit. We knew this kind of thing would be a consequence of leaving the EU, so why are they getting upset about something they wanted? Schizophrenic if you ask me.

[lapsedhibee]

I'm surprised at the outrage this is causing, especially amongst readers of certain newspapers that promoted Brexit. We knew this kind of thing would be a consequence of leaving the EU, so why are they getting upset about something they wanted? Schizophrenic if you ask me.

From a committed Brexit Party supporter,

"What annoys me is that while we are having to put up with food shortages and disruptions at our ports the EU is not having any problems, how is that fair?"

:faf::faf::faf:

[Hibrandenburg]

From a committed Brexit Party supporter,

"What annoys me is that while we are having to put up with food shortages and disruptions at our ports the EU is not having any problems, how is that fair?"

:faf::faf::faf:

I've decided for health reasons, not to get angry at any of the utterly bizarre comments being made online in regards to post Brexit consequences fur the UK being orchestrated by the EU, instead I've decided to laugh. It's better than smoking weed at the moment.

[CloudSquall]

https://mobile.twitter.com/scotfoodjames/status/1348946076607373314

Some updates on the fishing situation, including "approx 1/3 of fishing fleet now tied up in harbour".


Douglas Ross has done a disappearing act that Davidson would be proud of.

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[Jones28]

Just out of curiosity, I wonder what general consensus amongst the fishing community about Brexit...

I would like to point out as well that it is unfair to blame the people who voted for Brexit on what happens with Brexit, James Obrien (who is a bit a of a hero of mine) has a lovely phrase:​Compassion for the conned, contempt for the conmen​ which is something I need to remind myself often when I get in to discussions around Brexit.

[Pretty Boy]

Every day for the last week we have been receiving email after email into work about companies adding significant surcharges to deliveries to cover their additional costs. Part of that is due to an ongoing situation with shipping containers in the Far East but Brexit is exasperating the problem.

We are in a sector that has already been decimated over the last year and this is just an added worry. I can always look at my shiny new blue passport to console myself. It will be sitting in a drawer gathering dust because I can't afford to use it but still.......

[marinello59]

Just out of curiosity, I wonder what general consensus amongst the fishing community about Brexit...

I would like to point out as well that it is unfair to blame the people who voted for Brexit on what happens with Brexit, James Obrien (who is a bit a of a hero of mine) has a lovely phrase:​Compassion for the conned, contempt for the conmen​ which is something I need to remind myself often when I get in to discussions around Brexit.

That's an excellent point about compassion, some of the comments I have seen directed towards the fishing community on social media have been needlessly spiteful.
The inshore fishermen, those trying to get their shellfish to their regular European markets must be devastated. They certainly didn't vote for Brexit. It's a bitter blow for some of our smaller highlands and Islands communities yet they are getting little sympathy from many remainers who are happy to gloat over their plight. The same goes for the processing sector which is going to be hit with the double whammy of losing their market and access to a reliable EU immigrant workforce.
The vocal millionaire skippers from Peterhead and Fraserburgh have come to be seen by many as representing the fishing industry. They really must be wondering how its all gone so wrong they did vote for Brexit thinking it would lead to sole access to our waters and another boom time for them. A lot of crew members will be fearing for their jobs now. There really are no winners here.

[ronaldo7]

What is it about the fishing industry that the bbc and stv don't care for anymore?

We used to get a daily puff piece from the fishing leaders telling us how our sea of opportunity awaits.

[Bristolhibby]

What is it about the fishing industry that the bbc and stv don't care for anymore?

We used to get a daily puff piece from the fishing leaders telling us how our sea of opportunity awaits.

The irony of having control of your seas, but no market to sale your wares.

We’re they too dumb to recognise that? Or been brainwashed by the Lords and Masters for years.

Either way, what a **** show!

J

[Kato]

The irony of having control of your seas, but no market to sale your wares.




For smoother transactions it's almost like we need a free-trade deal with our closest markets involving some reciprocal give and take...oh hold on...

[MartinfaePorty]

The irony of having control of your seas, but no market to sale your wares.

We’re they too dumb to recognise that? Or been brainwashed by the Lords and Masters for years.

Either way, what a **** show!

J

The thing is, I kept reading from other people involved in fishing saying that the people they kept giving airtime / column inches to were not representative of the industry or at least not a majority, but the media didn't seem to be interested in publishing the views of others.

[marinello59]

What is it about the fishing industry that the bbc and stv don't care for anymore?

We used to get a daily puff piece from the fishing leaders telling us how our sea of opportunity awaits.

Daily? Did we? We got the politicians take on it as we reached the agreement deadline with occasional statements from the SFF. And if that bam Jimmy Buchan had been appearing on my TV every day it would probably be minus a screen by now. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

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[Bristolhibby]

The thing is, I kept reading from other people involved in fishing saying that the people they kept giving airtime / column inches to were not representative of the industry or at least not a majority, but the media didn't seem to be interested in publishing the views of others.

Abundantly clear we (the U.K.) government need to go back cap in hand and grovel to iron out these barriers as quickly as possible.

Something they could have done for the last 4 years with some semblance of power.

As it is now, we have multi sectors failing on this governments watch. (Something Scotland did not vote for).

Fishing, haulage, exports in general, car parts, financial movement, ex pats being stuffed.

Will it mount up or will the Tories just blame the French for following the rules to the letter?

J

[lapsedhibee]

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"Even among remainers, most did not want economic and social barriers within their own country". Whit? Shirley all remainers didn't want economic and social barriers anywhere in the EU?

What is wrong with that woman's head? She knew what she was voting for.

[Keith_M]

Just watched Bumbling Boris on BBC News trying to explain why many sectors of British industry are having a hard time with imports and exports.

Head down, lots of uhms and ahs, mumble as much as possible and never directly answer a question

A suspicion person may have got the feeling the guy has no clue what's actually going on with his 'Oven Baked' Brexit deal.

[weecounty hibby]

Can't post links but apparently the fisheries minister has admitted that she didn't even read the brexit deal as she was too busy arranging a Nativity trail. Unbe****inlievable. Or it would be if credit wasn't first and foremost an ideology driven by xenophobia and blinkered ideas of an empire long gone. She had more interest in a Nativity than she did in something that impacts millions of people and particularly people who she had ministerial responsibility for.

[Keith_M]

Can't post links but apparently the fisheries minister has admitted that she didn't even read the brexit deal as she was too busy arranging a Nativity trail. Unbe****inlievable. Or it would be if credit wasn't first and foremost an ideology driven by xenophobia and blinkered ideas of an empire long gone. She had more interest in a Nativity than she did in something that impacts millions of people and particularly people who she had ministerial responsibility for.


Here you go...


https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1349410506461818882


https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/tory-fisheries-minister-not-read-23313814



(https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/tory-fisheries-minister-not-read-23313814)

[CloudSquall]

Here's the video from the Fisherie's Minister,

https://mobile.twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1349410506461818882

The arrogance and smugness is what gets me.

[weecounty hibby]

Here you go...


https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1349410506461818882


https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/tory-fisheries-minister-not-read-23313814



(https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/tory-fisheries-minister-not-read-23313814)
Thanks. And still these *******s are out in front in the polls. Scotland needs to become an independent country as soon as we can. It's beyond belief that the people of England still see these ***** and the carnage they are causing and still want to vote for them

[Chorley Hibee]

Just watched Bumbling Boris on BBC News trying to explain why many sectors of British industry are having a hard time with imports and exports.

Head down, lots of uhms and ahs, mumble as much as possible and never directly answer a question

A suspicion person may have got the feeling the guy has no clue what's actually going on with his 'Oven Baked' Brexit deal.

Also mentioned at Liaison Committee today that Northern Ireland has a tremendous opportunity to prosper thanks to the benefits of trade with GB and Europe.

So that'll be the benefits we all previously had then!

I actually despair.

[weecounty hibby]

And now it appears the £100m being promised to fishermen was actually money that had already been allocated to fishermen for modernisation. So no actual new monetary all at a time where Scottish fishermen are losing £1m per day. The fishing industry have been lied to and used by these ****ing charlatans. They were maybe gullible but They have been shamelessly used as the main flag waving, cheerleaders who were promised way more than they could ever get. Sadly they believed a government who shouldn't ever be trusted

[Bristolhibby]

Can Scottish boats land their catch in Northern Ireland?

Obviously not practicable for all types of fisheries, but could be an option for some.

J

[Ozyhibby]

Can Scottish boats land their catch in Northern Ireland?

Obviously not practicable for all types of fisheries, but could be an option for some.

J

The customers are in mainland Europe though?


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[Killiehibbie]

The customers are in mainland Europe though?


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Should be easier getting to Europe from there.

[Bristolhibby]

The customers are in mainland Europe though?


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I presume the issue is all the forms and inspections, declarations, etc. The catch would normally land in Scotland then go to EU.

If they land in NI, then they are automatically in the EU market.

J

[weecounty hibby]

Fresh seafood exports from Scotland to the EU now suspended due to all the issues. The Tories in Scotland have been very very quiet about all of this

[Ozyhibby]

I presume the issue is all the forms and inspections, declarations, etc. The catch would normally land in Scotland then go to EU.

If they land in NI, then they are automatically in the EU market.

J

If they land in the EU they would surely count in the EU’s quota which is falling over the next 5 years and surely the Irish boats will be using up all that quota?


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[Callum_62]

Fresh seafood exports from Scotland to the EU now suspended due to all the issues. The Tories in Scotland have been very very quiet about all of thisSure that's a coincidence

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[Bristolhibby]

If they land in the EU they would surely count in the EU’s quota which is falling over the next 5 years and surely the Irish boats will be using up all that quota?


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I don’t know. If it is landed in the EU to a Scottish boat, would that make a difference.

Does NI boats now have an EU quota.

J

[Bostonhibby]

Fresh seafood exports from Scotland to the EU now suspended due to all the issues. The Tories in Scotland have been very very quiet about all of thisRuth Davidson's singlehandedly (or is it singlemoothedly?) going to have to swallow an awful lot of fish to help ensure the seamless oven ready deal means the Scottish fishermen prosper per the pre Brexit promise.

I'm not saying she isn't capable of doing it.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/tobyontv/status/1349707738583093248?s=21

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[Mon Dieu4]

https://twitter.com/tobyontv/status/1349707738583093248?s=21

Posted without comment.


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Every time I see him just reminds me of Victorian Dad from the Viz

[Killiehibbie]

https://twitter.com/tobyontv/status/1349707738583093248?s=21

Posted without comment.


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I take it that was his attempt at humour?

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/tobyontv/status/1349707738583093248?s=21

Posted without comment.


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[ronaldo7]

Hundreds of British lorry drivers have been given £300 fines for not having a permit to enter Kent – a measure brought in due to Brexit.

Not only is Northern Ireland now attached to the EU, England is fracturing.

Sea of opportunity. :rolleyes:

[Bostonhibby]

I'll comment. What a fud.

Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkHaving convinced enough of them to vote Brexit they can now be treated with the sort of contempt you'd expect of a creature like this.

Reality dawning, Wonder who's next?

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[Mr Grieves]

How ****ing predictable :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1349824358978609156?s=19

[marinello59]

How ****ing predictable :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1349824358978609156?s=19

And so it begins. *******s.

[Callum_62]

How ****ing predictable :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1349824358978609156?s=191.3 million immigrants leave the UK too

Wee Brucey bonus for brexiteers

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[lapsedhibee]

How ****ing predictable :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1349824358978609156?s=19

So good to be Unchained. So many more headlines like this to come.

[Bostonhibby]

1.3 million immigrants leave the UK too

Wee Brucey bonus for brexiteers

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[Jones28]

Anyone looking for something to listen to James Obrien is about to rip Rees-Mogg a new one on LBC :aok:

[JeMeSouviens]

How ****ing predictable :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1349824358978609156?s=19

Well, who saw that shock development coming? :rolleyes:

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[Pretty Boy]

A minor point in the grand scheme of things but the first Irish horse is entered into a race in Britain post Brexit this weekend.

The trainer has to pay a 19% VAT payment on the value of the horse. That can be claimed back but the process could take 3 months. A minor issue with one horse but the same trainer sent 118 horse to Cheltenham last year, some of them insured for values of tens of thousands of pounds. That's not practical.

People might not care about the impact on horse racing but it's another illustration of the lack of joined up thinking that has got us into this position.

[One Day Soon]

A minor point in the grand scheme of things but the first Irish horse is entered into a race in Britain post Brexit this weekend.

The trainer has to pay a 19% VAT payment on the value of the horsw. That can be claimed back but the process could take 3 months. A minor issue with one horse but the same trainer sent 118 horse to Cheltenham last year, some of them insured for values of tens of thousands of pounds. That's not practical.

People might not care about the impact on horse racing but it's another illustration of the lack of joined up thinking that has got us into this position.


Indeed, but the public won't generally care. Brexit is a dead duck politically unless something(s) spectacular happen because of it to interrupt people's main preoccupations - eating drinking, holidaying and consuming digital content.

[cabbageandribs1875]

:dizzy::dizzy::dizzy:


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[Jack]

Indeed, but the public won't generally care. Brexit is a dead duck politically unless something(s) spectacular happen because of it to interrupt people's main preoccupations - eating drinking, holidaying and consuming digital content.

Just wait till the first gammon comes back from his Spanish holiday and has his 3,000 fags confiscated!

[Jones28]

:dizzy::dizzy::dizzy:


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It would be funny if the lack of understanding wasn’t so important.

[Hibrandenburg]

Just wait till the first gammon comes back from his Spanish holiday and has his 3,000 fags confiscated!

There's already uproar from Spanish based British Gammon who are getting all hot and bothered about their hosts demanding they fill out complicated forms to ensure they're legal to stay in the country and drive their cars. Oh the irony.

[Bristolhibby]

Just wait till the first gammon comes back from his Spanish holiday and has his 3,000 fags confiscated!

They would be the first ones if stop.

The ruddier the completion the more likely I’d stop.

Rangers shirts would be getting stripped searched regardless of age or attitude.

Seriously, was thinking about my booze that I bring back from France. If I’m in the car with my missus, I can bring back 84 litres of beer (13 slabs of the Kronembourg stubbies). 36 litres (48 standard bottles) of still wine & 8 litres of spirits.

That’s more than enough IMHO. Baring in mind I usually have two kids in the car as well.

J

[Jack]

They would be the first ones if stop.

The ruddier the completion the more likely I’d stop.

Rangers shirts would be getting stripped searched regardless of age or attitude.

Seriously, was thinking about my booze that I bring back from France. If I’m in the car with my missus, I can bring back 84 litres of beer (13 slabs of the Kronembourg stubbies). 36 litres (48 standard bottles) of still wine & 8 litres of spirits.

That’s more than enough IMHO. Baring in mind I usually have two kids in the car as well.

J

1. Striping a sevcovian doesn't bear/bare thinking about.

2. Put the kids on a bus.

[Callum_62]

I'm sure we were being told on here this was a resounding win for Scottish fisherman?

Thats odd

https://www.sff.co.uk/letter-to-prime-minister-from-sff-chief-executive/

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[Curried]

I'm sure we were being told on here this was a resounding win for Scottish fisherman?

Thats odd

https://www.sff.co.uk/letter-to-prime-minister-from-sff-chief-executive/

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I wonder who could of predicted these issues with fishing....Oh! hold on:


https://youtu.be/C1izkOiSIeY?list=PLmrDKalFQSLCMDLP39NsAT10Za9s3-UHH

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210116/d0c5cf92e46ae3bd5587bf1e3112ee7e.jpg
To be fair, the brexiteers did warn us. [emoji23]


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[bawheid]

Has there been any polling on Brexit recently. I’d be interested in a UK wide, “so has Brexit been a good idea?” kinda thing.

[JeMeSouviens]

Has there been any polling on Brexit recently. I’d be interested in a UK wide, “so has Brexit been a good idea?” kinda thing.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

[bawheid]

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

Thanks. So basically since mid-2017 polling has consistently shown that the majority of the UK public think it is wrong to leave the EU. But we did it anyway, despite the obvious harm it would cause, which is now coming to fruition.

And the Tories are still ahead in the polls. Mental.

[Ozyhibby]

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[Callum_62]

Bit of an eye opening thread here

https://twitter.com/DanielLambert29/status/1350367078662987777?s=19

When the Daily Mail run headlines like the below you well and truly know that the real. Brexit dividend is here [emoji106]

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Has there been any polling on Brexit recently. I’d be interested in a UK wide, “so has Brexit been a good idea?” kinda thing.


not a poll but rees-mogg admitted a few weeks back in an interview that had all the information now available about brexit been made available back at the vote brexit would not have happened

[cabbageandribs1875]

no idea if this is fact but if it is.... just wow

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/139302891_5354290987946690_4957982288406903428_o.j pg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=LYHVE56BmbEAX9ZRauI&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=f7457019f050090d71198e0824385d76&oe=6028B020

[Glory Lurker]

Bit of an eye opening thread here

https://twitter.com/DanielLambert29/status/1350367078662987777?s=19

When the Daily Mail run headlines like the below you well and truly know that the real. Brexit dividend is here [emoji106]

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But, let me guess - it's because of EU spite*?

*- those bounders are treating us as if we were just another non-EU state.

[ronaldo7]

Welsh Government going to court to stop Power grab.

https://nation.cymru/news/welsh-government-to-press-ahead-with-power-grab-act-legal-challenge/

[Callum_62]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19017817.foreign-secretary-dominic-raab-insists-scottish-fishing-crisis-brexit-teething-problem/#comments-anchor

Nowt to do with the deal says Raab.

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[Callum_62]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/brexit-has-made-two-of-britains-most-popular-cars-1700-more-expensive/13/01/

More benefits here.

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[Future17]

no idea if this is fact but if it is.... just wow

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/139302891_5354290987946690_4957982288406903428_o.j pg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=LYHVE56BmbEAX9ZRauI&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=f7457019f050090d71198e0824385d76&oe=6028B020

She'd probably take the copies and then sue the EU for breaching GDPR.

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/scotfoodjames/status/1351118813421580288?s=19

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[Future17]

A Brexit bounce: :wink:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55702243

[Callum_62]

It's all there own fault apparently

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-seafood-sales-boris-johnson-b1788936.html

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[Northernhibee]

It's all there own fault apparently

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-seafood-sales-boris-johnson-b1788936.html

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What a disgraceful human being. Worse than Thatcher.

[McSwanky]

It's all there own fault apparently

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-seafood-sales-boris-johnson-b1788936.html

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Never saw that coming, the Tories blaming the people for their own ****show? :rolleyes:

[Ozyhibby]

It's all there own fault apparently

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-seafood-sales-boris-johnson-b1788936.html

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To be fair, fishermen were among the biggest advocates for brexit.


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[Jack]

Hidden away in one of the above links.

Negotiations for future fishing rights coincide with the dates for agreeing the continuation of the UK getting gas and leccy from the EU. Apparently we, more probably just England, currently get 8% of our requirements from them. Losing the supply could lead to power cuts and increased prices.

I'd imagine the fish negotiations next time round will be the easiest thing in the world. The UK will bend over and accept whatever the EU demands or lose its markets for the fish, no gas and no electricity.

The EU have done the torys up like a kipper.

"However, as*The Independent*revealed, the Christmas Eve deal*handed the EU the ability to shut off gas and electricity supplies*if the UK tries to seize control of disputed stocks."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-gas-electricity-supply-uk-fish-stocks-b1780376.html

[lapsedhibee]

Negotiations for future fishing rights coincide with the dates for agreeing the continuation of the UK getting gas and leccy from the EU. Apparently we, more probably just England, currently get 8% of our requirements from them. Losing the supply could lead to power cuts and increased prices.

I'd imagine the fish negotiations next time round will be the easiest thing in the world. The UK will bend over and accept whatever the EU demands or lose its markets for the fish, no gas and no electricity.


Yeah well we can make our own electricity and our electrons will be happier than the EU's.

[Hibrandenburg]

To be fair, fishermen were among the biggest advocates for brexit.


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Apparently Sturgeon was behind yesterday's protests in Westminster. I'm guessing this was hinted at in one of the Gammon newspapers as I've now seen this claim from 2 different people of the porky persuasion.

[marinello59]

It's all there own fault apparently

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-seafood-sales-boris-johnson-b1788936.html

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That's a bit rich given that until the last minute deal was done nobody really knew what paperwork was required. Things will improve dramatically over the coming weeks though as our businesses develop systems to deal with the increased bureaucracy. No thanks will be due to the Government for that though.
The need for every item to be inspected rather than a random sample is going to have to be looked at, hopefully a common sense solution will be found to that one as I'm assuming that rule will also apply to foodstuffs coming in to the UK from Europe. (Although given how rushed the final negotiations were I probably shouldn't be so sure.)

[Bristolhibby]

Apparently Sturgeon was behind yesterday's protests in Westminster. I'm guessing this was hinted at in one of the Gammon newspapers as I've now seen this claim from 2 different people of the porky persuasion.

Haha, the Gammons don’t realise that the fishermen hate the SNP (for the moment).

Can see them swinging round to Yes pretty tout de suite, quicker than you can say “Access to the EU market”.

J

[Bristolhibby]

That's a bit rich given that until the last minute deal was done nobody really knew what paperwork was required. Things will improve dramatically over the coming weeks though as our businesses develop systems to deal with the increased bureaucracy. No thanks will be due to the Government for that though.
The need for every item to be inspected rather than a random sample is going to have to be looked at, hopefully a common sense solution will be found to that one as I'm assuming that rule will also apply to foodstuffs coming in to the UK from Europe. (Although given how rushed the final negotiations were I probably shouldn't be so sure.)

I’ve said for a while that the U.K. Government need to go back to the table quickly and sort out an actual working solution.

The tax thing is a nonsense. Get the good in then sort out the tax.

J

[Bostonhibby]

It's all there own fault apparently

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-seafood-sales-boris-johnson-b1788936.html

Sent from my VOG-L29 using TapatalkBozo's got the attention span of a gnat, he's finished this mess in his mind and is moving onto the next jolly jape.

The fishermen fell for it, they've taken back control of their fish, it's just that the outcome is they can't get them to market because of Brexit and the customers, surprise surprise, have found other sources.

We've got some sort of sea border where we can keep all our fish in though, so all good. Maybe Bozo is working on fish passports now?

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