Euro 2021 non-Scotland games

[JimBHibees]

You can watch the game on mute.

Why should you have to?

[McSwanky]

I did and I respect your views. I should have stated that my response wasn't directed at you personally. It was more of a general point about Scotland fans and English commentators and the way I think many tend to hide behind the 'it's not the players, it's the commentators' thing, when it fact they should just admit they want to see England stuffed.

Re your more specific point though, I personally don't think my experience of watching, say, Ukraine v Sweden, would have been especially enhanced by a Scottish commentary team. I don't see the big deal about what nationality the commentators are to be honest and as I've said before I often turn the commentary off during football games. Not because I have an issue with English commentators but because by and large I don't see the need for commentary full stop. The majority of the time they are simply telling me which player is on the ball and what they're doing with it - something I can see plainly for myself.

You're missing my point. I don't think you're doing it on purpose, but you are missing it.

I'm not demanding a Scottish commentary team or Scottish production in general, I'm trying to illustrate that the ABE 'movement' or whatever you want to call it is at the very least stoked, and possibly even caused by the England-centric TV coverage.

Continuing with last night as an example, we were treated to Jonathan Pearce regaling us with a story about Jimmy Greaves not being picked in 1966, Martin Keown seemingly having a lovely time when players were getting injured/sent off because England are up next, and I would guess at least half of the half time 'analysis' concentrating on England rather the game that I tuned in to watch. Freddie must have been loving it. So I'd say my enjoyment was impacted, yes.

I'm not English, I don't live in England. I'd go so far as to say I usually start competitions off pretty indifferent to England as a footballing nation, but by the time the hype reaches fever pitch and they eventually go out (or maybe even win the thing one day) I've absolutely had enough and want them out.

Did you read my Denmark comparison above? Doesn't that sound ridiculous when there's two different countries involved..... oh, wait a minute!

To say 'switch off the commentary if you don't like it' isn't really the answer for me as the rise and fall of the commentator's voice is part of the experience of watching on telly - it all gets a bit boring for me without it.

I'm far from a rabid ABE type, and I consider myself quite a reasonable person in general, but this really gets my goat.

[McSwanky]

You can watch the game on mute.

....And Martin Luther King could have just kept his mouth shut and head down :greengrin

(That's a joke by the way, I'm not in any way comparing the severity of the two situations :wink:)

[Moulin Yarns]

You can watch the game on mute.

Or perhaps not at all.


I've only caught snippets of games since Scotland were eliminated, not bothered about it, the weather is wonderful so I'm outside in the garden most of the time anyway. Caught the extra time last night, but that was unusual.

[DH1875]

Media/pundits/commentators...I still say look at your own (or anyone else) we all get carried away.

Hopefully sleeping it off but.....your completely missing the point. See when it comes to World cups and Euros, WE CAN'T look at our own. We have to put up with English TV, English pundits, English commentators, the English Media etc....I can even just about justify it if England are playing in the game but if it's Spain V Switzerland, Belgium V Italy, Czech republic V Denmark then I shouldn't have to listen to it. Given the choice of Scottish media or neutral media for the games, I'd gladly take it ahead of the English guff.

[Bostonhibby]

I wasn't very old at the time but I remember being convinced we were going to win the World Cup in 78. England not having qualified, the expectation on Scotland was perhaps greater than usual, but we definitely went OTT about our chances.

'We're on the march wi' Ally's Army. We're going to the Argen-teen. And we'll really shake 'em up when we win the World Cup, cos Scotland are the the greatest fitba' team' :wink:

I vividly remember greetin' when we got gubbed by Peru in our opening game. Heartbreaking stuff for a kid not yet aware of the pain football can inflict.Definitely how I remember it from the time, the hype was a bit more amateurish than seems to permanently engulf any England sporting team these days but at one point the bookies had us as one of the favourites and I'd say a lot of folk were expecting a very successful world cup.

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[SHODAN]

Guess I'll be watching the next two England games with my standard approach - they go one up, mute, they go two up, game aff.

[He's here!]

You're missing my point. I don't think you're doing it on purpose, but you are missing it.

I'm not demanding a Scottish commentary team or Scottish production in general, I'm trying to illustrate that the ABE 'movement' or whatever you want to call it is at the very least stoked, and possibly even caused by the England-centric TV coverage.

Continuing with last night as an example, we were treated to Jonathan Pearce regaling us with a story about Jimmy Greaves not being picked in 1966, Martin Keown seemingly having a lovely time when players were getting injured/sent off because England are up next, and I would guess at least half of the half time 'analysis' concentrating on England rather the game that I tuned in to watch. Freddie must have been loving it. So I'd say my enjoyment was impacted, yes.

I'm not English, I don't live in England. I'd go so far as to say I usually start competitions off pretty indifferent to England as a footballing nation, but by the time the hype reaches fever pitch and they eventually go out (or maybe even win the thing one day) I've absolutely had enough and want them out.

Did you read my Denmark comparison above? Doesn't that sound ridiculous when there's two different countries involved..... oh, wait a minute!

To say 'switch off the commentary if you don't like it' isn't really the answer for me as the rise and fall of the commentator's voice is part of the experience of watching on telly - it all gets a bit boring for me without it.

I'm far from a rabid ABE type, and I consider myself quite a reasonable person in general, but this really gets my goat.

Yep, I understand what you're saying and as I said I respect your opinion. I just don't find that this particular issue bothers me much. I guess it also depends how strongly you perceive England as 'another country'. In my view, the Denmark/Germany comparison isn't really comparing like for like when it comes to Scotland and England. Yes, we have separate football teams but we're not two completely independent countries like Denmark and Germany are. You might disagree, but were Scotland the only UK team left in the competition I think any English commentators covering our games would be pretty full-on in their desire for Scotland to win. Different sport I know, but (while you might get the odd bampot spewing some anti-Scottish vitriol about him on social media) Andy Murray's rise to become not only Britain's greatest tennis player but one of the best in the world has been wholeheartedly embraced by largely English commentary teams.

[Since452]

Much like when Hibs aren't playing, when Scotland are out i have little or no interest in the competition or football in general for that matter. I'll usually have the game on but quickly lose interest and find myself switching channels. The English coverage makes that far more frequent.

[Hibbyradge]

I think you’re right, that really didn’t happen.

What did happen was a thread about the wider tournament was hijacked by an England fan determined to start arguments with people, and who also seemed to be too incapacitated to understand what anyone else was saying or what he was saying himself. Which then moves on to talking about Braveheart and taking Gaelic language channels off the air, dear oh dear :greengrin

The latter part was a different poster.

[Scouse Hibee]

[QUOTE=Santa Cruz;6606272]Well done. Really like the Manager, comes across as such a decent bloke, I really liked Bobby Robson for the same reasons. I know there's been big crowds at other stadiums, but when the roar went up when Sterling scored I got a bit emotional, I think it was just seeing some normality that set me off. As soon as Scotland exit any comp in any sport, I always get behind the remaining home nations. Good luck in the quarters.[/QUOT I E]


I have to admit that not everyone I know feels this way but the majority of English folk I know do. Never mind social media bollocks what has the average Englishman or English footballer done to deserve the vitriol on here at times. I have lived in Edinburgh for 40 years and supported Hibs for that long (30 years a ST holder). How integrated I do I have to become before I stop having to defend myself for the exact same things you do yourselves.

I have lived here for thirty years too, pretty much got over the England thing on here years ago as I began to realise that some of the points raised are pretty valid. Each to their own but the tone of some of your responses is bound to provoke a similar response just as it would if you said it face to face. I love the banter on here regarding England and Scotland and pretty much never get myself wound up about it anymore though I admit I used to. I respect that I am posting on a Scottish football forum and if I post GIRUY Scotland which I rarely do these days then I fully understand and accept the response it will receive..

Now......who can still boogie 😁🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[JeMeSouviens]

That's interesting feedback. I used to work with a bunch of lovely French colleagues who I kept in touch with for quite a number of years. When I went to visit them (in the south-west of France) I was struck by how, while football was popular, it wasn't the only sport folk cared about and, unlike the UK, other sports were high profile. Rugby was big and basketball was especially popular (big, passionate and family-friendly crowds at the games I went to). Tennis seemed to be played by a lot of people and I remember seeing a big fencing academy full of kids near where I stayed (over here both those sports probably carry more of a 'posh' tag). I wonder if that wider perspective on sport dilutes the mania/partisan commentary on football or does it depend which region you live in?

SW France is their rugby heartland, like the Borders here.

[weecounty hibby]

[QUOTE=CockneyRebel;6606275]

I have lived here for thirty years too, pretty much got over the England thing on here years ago as I began to realise that some of the points raised are pretty valid. Each to their own but the tone of some of your responses is bound to provoke a similar response just as it would if you said it face to face. I love the banter on here regarding England and Scotland and pretty much never get myself wound up about it anymore though I admit I used to. I respect that I am posting on a Scottish football forum and if I post GIRUY Scotland which I rarely do these days then I fully understand and accept the response it will receive..

Now......who can still boogie 😁🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
Good response. I'm sure you have encountered the absolute ******s who are in every country who will give it the "English *******" crap. I know my English colleagues have, but they do say it is very few and far between. 99.9% of it is football banter and you seem to get that. There are folk who need to realise that we can all disagree on stuff but still get on. I have Rangers supporting unionist colleagues/friends and that's pretty much the exact opposite of me but I still get on with them, there is much discussion and banter but we understand each others point of view and agree to disagree.
Hopefully we will be boogying sometime again before the end of the Euros. ✌

[Lago]

Sorry Lago, I can’t agree because any slavering by us has been in anticipation not expectation. They already have the route laid out to and winning the final in the press. :confused:
Sorry John, not the way I remember it anticipation nope, expectation Yip, even now just thinking about the hype is embarrassing, but each to their own.

[ronaldo7]

Imagine, for a second, you are a Danish person living in Denmark. And the Danish TV company which covers the Euros/WC decides not to have its own commentators/production, but instead decides to take the German coverage for all but the matches in which Denmark feature. (Let's ignore the language differences for illustrative purposes).

Sound ridiculous?

Now imagine they've been doing that for your whole life.

Nobody can honestly tell me that you wouldn't be pretty sick of that situation, and be more than happy when Germany exited the competition.

Like I said before, I have no problem with partisan coverage of football. It's the nature of the game. I'd just rather my only option wasn't what is 95% another country's coverage.

I don't think you'll get much argument regarding your post.

Spot on imo. It was always going to be wall to wall coverage on the news channels, but it's even spilled over to the morning programmes. No doubt loose women will do their bit for the cause. 😏

[Santa Cruz]

[QUOTE=CockneyRebel;6606275]

I have lived here for thirty years too, pretty much got over the England thing on here years ago as I began to realise that some of the points raised are pretty valid. Each to their own but the tone of some of your responses is bound to provoke a similar response just as it would if you said it face to face. I love the banter on here regarding England and Scotland and pretty much never get myself wound up about it anymore though I admit I used to. I respect that I am posting on a Scottish football forum and if I post GIRUY Scotland which I rarely do these days then I fully understand and accept the response it will receive..

Now......who can still boogie 😁🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

I take the same view, each to their own. I'm not sure if I've came across badly I don't see any tone in my response. I was just acknowledging a good result and explaining I support home nation teams/competitors in every sport. Apologies if I've misunderstood your post.

[Bristolhibby]

Yep, I understand what you're saying and as I said I respect your opinion. I just don't find that this particular issue bothers me much. I guess it also depends how strongly you perceive England as 'another country'. In my view, the Denmark/Germany comparison isn't really comparing like for like when it comes to Scotland and England. Yes, we have separate football teams but we're not two completely independent countries like Denmark and Germany are. You might disagree, but were Scotland the only UK team left in the competition I think any English commentators covering our games would be pretty full-on in their desire for Scotland to win. Different sport I know, but (while you might get the odd bampot spewing some anti-Scottish vitriol about him on social media) Andy Murray's rise to become not only Britain's greatest tennis player but one of the best in the world has been wholeheartedly embraced by largely English commentary teams.

If Scotland were the only U.K. team left, no danger would Gary Lineker or Rio Ferdinand be jumping around celebrating us scoring a goal v Germany. Simply won’t happen.

We’d be luck to even have two Scottish pundits to go with Gary. Likely have Roy Keane, Graham Souness and Juergen Klinsman.

That’s the point. It should be a Scottish lead production serving Scots in that situation.

J

[McSwanky]

Yep, I understand what you're saying and as I said I respect your opinion. I just don't find that this particular issue bothers me much. I guess it also depends how strongly you perceive England as 'another country'. In my view, the Denmark/Germany comparison isn't really comparing like for like when it comes to Scotland and England. Yes, we have separate football teams but we're not two completely independent countries like Denmark and Germany are. You might disagree, but were Scotland the only UK team left in the competition I think any English commentators covering our games would be pretty full-on in their desire for Scotland to win. Different sport I know, but (while you might get the odd bampot spewing some anti-Scottish vitriol about him on social media) Andy Murray's rise to become not only Britain's greatest tennis player but one of the best in the world has been wholeheartedly embraced by largely English commentary teams.

Last points from me, as I've done this to death now!

1. In footballing terms, England are absolutely a different country to Scotland. Given the history, and the fact that we share a border, I'd suggest that it's even more marked than the Denmark/Germany analogy as there is already an established 'rivalry' there. Making the fact that we get 'English' (British) coverage even more bizarre.
2. I'm not quite following your Andy Murray logic. His is an individual sport first and foremost, he only plays for 'his country' in the Davis Cup and the Olympics, and that country is GB, not Scotland. Of course it's been embraced by the English commentary teams, as there is no distinction between England and Scotland in tennis.

...and I'm done! :greengrin

[ancient hibee]

Been at some wonderful international matches such as the first time Scotland beat England at Hampden since before the war but started to lose interest when the team became more and more full of mediocre old firm players at the expense of players from other clubs and lost interest generally with international teams from most sports when they filled up with players who were only there because they couldn't get a game for the country they were born in.
Commentators have got worse and worse. Goodness knows what today's ones would have made of the non foul West Germany were given that led to their equaliser just before the end of normal time in 1966. Wolstenholme just carried on as normal(refs were always right in his commentaries). Once the co-commentator arrived I started to turn down the sound .Apart from the fact that they were usually talking over the action it's like having a couple of blethers sitting behind you at ER who won't shut up and watch the game.I seldom bother with the pundits but I think Graeme Souness is by far the best.

[Scouse Hibee]

[QUOTE=Scouse Hibee;6606389]

I take the same view, each to their own. I'm not sure if I've came across badly I don't see any tone in my response. I was just acknowledging a good result and explaining I support home nation teams/competitors in every sport. Apologies if I've misunderstood your post.

I was quoting cockney rebel mate, it appears to be mixed up.

[J-C]

So after all that's been said what is the protocol?

Support England cause they're part of the UK?

Support who they play not because we hate the English but the fierce rivalry that exists?

Listen to biased OTT commentary but moan about it?

Watch the game but mute the telly?

Or just forget all that nonsense and enjoy the football?

[Scouse Hibee]

So after all that's been said what is the protocol?

Support England cause they're part of the UK?

Support who they play not because we hate the English but the fierce rivalry that exists?

Listen to biased OTT commentary but moan about it?

Watch the game but mute the telly?

Or just forget all that nonsense and enjoy the football?

Moan at what makes you happy 😁

[JXM73]

So after all that's been said what is the protocol?

Support England cause they're part of the UK?

Support who they play not because we hate the English but the fierce rivalry that exists?

Listen to biased OTT commentary but moan about it?

Watch the game but mute the telly?

Or just forget all that nonsense and enjoy the football?

Treat them same way as rangers, celtic and hearts.. for me that means indifference.. if you're overly stressed then maybe golf will do you good.

[Santa Cruz]

[QUOTE=Santa Cruz;6606422]

I was quoting cockney rebel mate, it appears to be mixed up.

Aah thank god. :greengrin Nae probs.

Yeah this is all totally mixed up, looks like I'm replying to my own posts now, lol.

[J-C]

Treat them same way as rangers, celtic and hearts.. for me that means indifference.. if you're overly stressed then maybe golf will do you good.

Tongue firmly in cheek, I couldn't give a **** about all the nonsense and bickering on here, just enjoying the football.

[Moulin Yarns]

Last points from me, as I've done this to death now!

1. In footballing terms, England are absolutely a different country to Scotland. Given the history, and the fact that we share a border, I'd suggest that it's even more marked than the Denmark/Germany analogy as there is already an established 'rivalry' there. Making the fact that we get 'English' (British) coverage even more bizarre.
2. I'm not quite following your Andy Murray logic. His is an individual sport first and foremost, he only plays for 'his country' in the Davis Cup and the Olympics, and that country is GB, not Scotland. Of course it's been embraced by the English commentary teams, as there is no distinction between England and Scotland in tennis.

...and I'm done! :greengrin

You didn't see the BBC twitter when Andy Murray was playing!

He wins first 2 sets, it's all Britain's Andy Murray, loses the third set, and it was The Scot is struggling!!!!

[CockneyRebel]

Tongue firmly in cheek, I couldn't give a **** about all the nonsense and bickering on here, just enjoying the football.


Wish I'd said that instead of ranting to no good purpose.

[SaulGoodman]

Wish I'd said that instead of ranting to no good purpose.

How’s the head?

[One Day Soon]

I think you’re right, that really didn’t happen.

What did happen was a thread about the wider tournament was hijacked by an England fan determined to start arguments with people, and who also seemed to be too incapacitated to understand what anyone else was saying or what he was saying himself. Which then moves on to talking about Braveheart and taking Gaelic language channels off the air, dear oh dear :greengrin

If you think it didn't happen you really ought to sample this popular new medium they call social media at some point...

[One Day Soon]

How’s the head?

If it's not very sore it certainly should be. :wink:

[One Day Soon]

So after all that's been said what is the protocol?

Support England cause they're part of the UK?

Support who they play not because we hate the English but the fierce rivalry that exists?

Listen to biased OTT commentary but moan about it?

Watch the game but mute the telly?

Or just forget all that nonsense and enjoy the football?


Chill out and enjoy the feast of football, I know I am. Hopefully Italy will win it but if they don't and it turns out to be England then at least their fans get to finally have the joy of laying the 1966 ghost to rest, regardless of the irritating pundits. As a serially underperforming football nation I can't help feeling their fans would be getting a fair bit of what we experienced in May 2016 and that would be some joy to witness. The downside for me would be how it would play into the whole Boris Johnson jingoistic mood but who gives a **** about him?

Or get wound up by it as a proxy for other non football matters. What ever floats your boat.

I think we can all agree that Rio Ferdinand, nice guy though he probably is, is truly mince as a talking head though? Actually I think Ally McCoist is a decent balance of insight and nonsense.

[heretoday]

So after all that's been said what is the protocol?

Support England cause they're part of the UK?

Support who they play not because we hate the English but the fierce rivalry that exists?

Listen to biased OTT commentary but moan about it?

Watch the game but mute the telly?

Or just forget all that nonsense and enjoy the football?


Mute the TV! I do that anyway nowadays or find a foreign commentary so I can't understand the nonsense they're spouting!

[JeMeSouviens]

Chill out and enjoy the feast of football, I know I am. Hopefully Italy will win it but if they don't and it turns out to be England then at least their fans get to finally have the joy of laying the 1966 ghost to rest, regardless of the irritating pundits. As a serially underperforming football nation I can't help feeling their fans would be getting a fair bit of what we experienced in May 2016 and that would be some joy to witness. The downside for me would be how it would play into the whole Boris Johnson jingoistic mood but who gives a **** about him?

Or get wound up by it as a proxy for other non football matters. What ever floats your boat.

I think we can all agree that Rio Ferdinand, nice guy though he probably is, is truly mince as a talking head though? Actually I think Ally McCoist is a decent balance of insight and nonsense.

McCoist/Tyldesley has been the breakout partnership of the Euros. Pains me to say it, as my freely admitted anti-Hun bias is very, very considerably more ingrained then any subconscious anti-English bias I might have, but I actually feel happy when I realise they're covering the game.

[Glory Lurker]

Chill out and enjoy the feast of football,

Or get wound up by it as a proxy for other non football matters. What ever floats your boat.

.

You left your foot in that tackle! Do you consider it possible for folk to get wound up by it for football reasons?

[BILLYHIBS]

McCoist/Tyldesley has been the breakout partnership of the Euros. Pains me to say it, as my freely admitted anti-Hun bias is very, very considerably more ingrained then any subconscious anti-English bias I might have, but I actually feel happy when I realise they're covering the game.
McCoist and Hayes for me both excellent

[JeMeSouviens]

McCoist and Hayes for me both excellent

Yep, she's been good too. :agree:

[Pagan Hibernia]

Treat them same way as rangers, celtic and hearts.. for me that means indifference.. if you're overly stressed then maybe golf will do you good.


Lucky you! I’m anything but indifferent about those three 🤣

[Tommy75]

If Scotland were the only U.K. team left, no danger would Gary Lineker or Rio Ferdinand be jumping around celebrating us scoring a goal v Germany. Simply won’t happen.

We’d be luck to even have two Scottish pundits to go with Gary. Likely have Roy Keane, Graham Souness and Juergen Klinsman.

That’s the point. It should be a Scottish lead production serving Scots in that situation.

J

If Scotland were the only team left then I am sure Scottish pundits would be jumping around if they scored against Germany.

There was a Scottish-only line up on STV for the England V Scotland game was there not?

[One Day Soon]

McCoist and Hayes for me both excellent

She is actually outstanding on the technical insight. Way better than any male talking head I've heard previously.

[J-C]

Chill out and enjoy the feast of football, I know I am. Hopefully Italy will win it but if they don't and it turns out to be England then at least their fans get to finally have the joy of laying the 1966 ghost to rest, regardless of the irritating pundits. As a serially underperforming football nation I can't help feeling their fans would be getting a fair bit of what we experienced in May 2016 and that would be some joy to witness. The downside for me would be how it would play into the whole Boris Johnson jingoistic mood but who gives a **** about him?

Or get wound up by it as a proxy for other non football matters. What ever floats your boat.

I think we can all agree that Rio Ferdinand, nice guy though he probably is, is truly mince as a talking head though? Actually I think Ally McCoist is a decent balance of insight and nonsense.

Ffs another who totally misses the tongue in cheek in my post, if you'd read all the posts you'd see my 2nd post re all the crap about England, commentary etc.

[J-C]

Mute the TV! I do that anyway nowadays or find a foreign commentary so I can't understand the nonsense they're spouting!

Again I have no problems with it compared to so many others on here.

[One Day Soon]

Ffs another who totally misses the tongue in cheek in my post, if you'd read all the posts you'd see my 2nd post re all the crap about England, commentary etc.


I think the key point here is "if you'd read all my posts". There are 93 pages on this thread so, no, I haven't read all your posts. Anyway tongue in cheek or not I wouldn't get too worked up about it if I were you.

[J-C]

I think the key point here is "if you'd read all my posts". There are 93 pages on this thread so, no, I haven't read all your posts. Anyway tongue in cheek or not I wouldn't get too worked up about it if I were you.

And I'm not ffs, I'm watching and enjoying the football, the post was a dig at all the 5 pages of bickering after yesterday's game. I thought the post was plainly a sarcastic one, not obvious enough if seems.

[One Day Soon]

You left your foot in that tackle! Do you consider it possible for folk to get wound up by it for football reasons?

I think some people see it as football, some others see it as both football and a proxy for other things and still others just see it as a proxy for other things. Each to their own. I'd imagine that both Orban and Putin will have regarded the Russian and Hungarian games in an almost completely non-footballing context. I'm loving it, I think its been a great tournament so far.

[One Day Soon]

And I'm not ffs, I'm watching and enjoying the football, the post was a dig at all the 5 pages of bickering after yesterday's game. I thought the post was plainly a sarcastic one, not obvious enough if seems.

If you didn't like the last five pages you're really not going to enjoy what happens if England beat Ukraine in the next round. Though I just wonder if they will. I'm smelling a possible England out on penalties.

Maybe it's the antidote to pandemic for 15 months that is affecting it but I think it's been a great tournament so far.

[JeMeSouviens]

If you didn't like the last five pages you're really not going to enjoy what happens if England beat Ukraine in the next round. Though I just wonder if they will. I'm smelling a possible England out on penalties.

Maybe it's the antidote to pandemic for 15 months that is affecting it but I think it's been a great tournament so far.

If Ukraine can get through another 120 mins at the weekend and still win the shootout then I want some of the drugs they're getting! :wink:

[RyeSloan]

If you didn't like the last five pages you're really not going to enjoy what happens if England beat Ukraine in the next round. Though I just wonder if they will. I'm smelling a possible England out on penalties.

Maybe it's the antidote to pandemic for 15 months that is affecting it but I think it's been a great tournament so far.

It’s been a cracking tournament…without checking the stars it has to be one of the best for goals.

But total goals aside it’s had some great games and plenty almost unbelievable moments. That Hungarian goal straight after the Germany equaliser was just insane for example. Denmark’s unlikely qualification and the scenes that followed…the list goes on and hopefully a few more twists and turns to come.

Thoroughly enjoyed it and really don’t give too much of a toss about which commentator is saying what or whatever (Danny Murphy aside!).

If you have not been able to chill and enjoy this tournament then I’m not sure when you will ever be able to!

[He's here!]

If Scotland were the only U.K. team left, no danger would Gary Lineker or Rio Ferdinand be jumping around celebrating us scoring a goal v Germany. Simply won’t happen.

We’d be luck to even have two Scottish pundits to go with Gary. Likely have Roy Keane, Graham Souness and Juergen Klinsman.

That’s the point. It should be a Scottish lead production serving Scots in that situation.

J

I'm sure Souness, Hansen, McCoist plus any other Scottish pundits involved on whatever channel they were working for would be jumping around though. In fact, there's footage of the Scottish pundits all doing just that when we qualified via the Nations League against Serbia.

What is actually WRONG with Lineker & co celebrating in the studio? I don't really begrudge them that after 55 years of tournament pain v Germany!

And surely if Scotland WERE in such a position we WOULD have Scottish-led option for the game, just as we did for our group games?

[JeMeSouviens]

It’s been a cracking tournament…without checking the stars it has to be one of the best for goals.

But total goals aside it’s had some great games and plenty almost unbelievable moments. That Hungarian goal straight after the Germany equaliser was just insane for example. Denmark’s unlikely qualification and the scenes that followed…the list goes on and hopefully a few more twists and turns to come.

Thoroughly enjoyed it and really don’t give too much of a toss about which commentator is saying what or whatever (Danny Murphy aside!).

If you have not been able to chill and enjoy this tournament then I’m not sure when you will ever be able to!

The fact that you didn't mention either Croatia or Switzerland's late comebacks from 3-1 shows how many good games there have been.

[JeMeSouviens]

I'm sure Souness, Hansen, McCoist plus any other Scottish pundits involved on whatever channel they were working for would be jumping around though. In fact, there's footage of the Scottish pundits all doing just that when we qualified via the Nations League against Serbia.

What is actually WRONG with the Lineker & co celebrating in the studio? I don't really begrudge them that after 55 years of tournament pain v Germany!

And surely if Scotland WERE in such a position we WOULD have Scottish-led option for the game, just as we did for our group games?

In Scotland, yes, but not UK wide. There's nothing wrong with English commentary/punditry for England. It's a bit odd that we have it in Scotland but (at the risk of veering non-football :wink:) that's what we voted for.

[DH1875]

I'm sure Souness, Hansen, McCoist plus any other Scottish pundits involved on whatever channel they were working for would be jumping around though. In fact, there's footage of the Scottish pundits all doing just that when we qualified via the Nations League against Serbia.

What is actually WRONG with the Lineker & co celebrating in the studio? I don't really begrudge them that after 55 years of tournament pain v Germany!

And surely if Scotland WERE in such a position we WOULD have Scottish-led option for the game, just as we did for our group games?

There Is absolutely nothing wrong with Lineker and Co doing it when England are playing. When Sweden and Ukraine are playing, I don't need to hear it though. That's is the difference.

[He's here!]

Last points from me, as I've done this to death now!

1. In footballing terms, England are absolutely a different country to Scotland. Given the history, and the fact that we share a border, I'd suggest that it's even more marked than the Denmark/Germany analogy as there is already an established 'rivalry' there. Making the fact that we get 'English' (British) coverage even more bizarre.
2. I'm not quite following your Andy Murray logic. His is an individual sport first and foremost, he only plays for 'his country' in the Davis Cup and the Olympics, and that country is GB, not Scotland. Of course it's been embraced by the English commentary teams, as there is no distinction between England and Scotland in tennis.

...and I'm done! :greengrin

Fair enough, I'll bow out of this debate too.

Re Andy Murray, I just meant that after 70 plus years without a British Wimbledon winner (including the years of Henmania), when the real deal emerged in the shape of Murray we witnessed one of the greatest and most emotional days in British sport in 2013. There was no sense from the commentators that the achievement was in some way compromised by the fact he was Scottish rather than English. Sure, there's less distinction between Scotland and England in tennis, but my point is that I'd be surprised if English football pundits didn't wholeheartedly get behind Scotland if we were the only Home Nations side still in contention at a tournament.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

In Scotland, yes, but not UK wide. There's nothing wrong with English commentary/punditry for England. It's a bit odd that we have it in Scotland but (at the risk of veering non-football :wink:) that's what we voted for.
Exactly, an English audience would never tolerate a Scottish (or any other nation) led coverage on their TV.

[He's here!]

There Is absolutely nothing wrong with Lineker and Co doing it when England are playing. When Sweden and Ukraine are playing, I don't need to hear it though. That's is the difference.

Again, I'm not sure there would be much difference if Scotland had beaten Germany yesterday and were the only Home Nations team left. In those (admittedly unlikely) circumstances would we take such exception to an English commentator saying things like a Ukrainian injury could be good news for Scotland, or indeed referencing Scotland's great win over Germany earlier that day? I suspect a Scottish commentary team would be making just the same sort of observations.

[JeMeSouviens]

Fair enough, I'll bow out of this debate too.

Re Andy Murray, I just meant that after 70 plus years without a British Wimbledon winner (including the years of Henmania), when the real deal emerged in the shape of Murray we witnessed one of the greatest and most emotional days in British sport in 2013. There was no sense from the commentators that the achievement was in some way compromised by the fact he was Scottish rather than English. Sure, there's less distinction between Scotland and England in tennis, but my point is that I'd be surprised if English football pundits didn't wholeheartedly get behind Scotland if we were the only Home Nations side still in contention at a tournament.

To continue the tennis analogy, the English crowd loved Murray because he was British and a winner but not as much as they loved Henman who was properly British. :wink:

Scotland or Wales in international footy after England are out (I just about remember 78 and we have 2016 evidence for Wales) are treated a bit like poor old Greg Rusedski, not *really* British but needs must and all that.

[J-C]

If you didn't like the last five pages you're really not going to enjoy what happens if England beat Ukraine in the next round. Though I just wonder if they will. I'm smelling a possible England out on penalties.

Maybe it's the antidote to pandemic for 15 months that is affecting it but I think it's been a great tournament so far.

I've thoroughly enjoyed it apart for Scotland's 2 defeats, I just dont understand needless arguments over commentators or supporting anyone against England, just sit back and watch the best in Europe play.

[PatHead]

If you didn't like the last five pages you're really not going to enjoy what happens if England beat Ukraine in the next round. Though I just wonder if they will. I'm smelling a possible England out on penalties.

Maybe it's the antidote to pandemic for 15 months that is affecting it but I think it's been a great tournament so far.

Agree. The only thing missing has been a couple of cracking free kicks. (And a Scotland win😁)

[Argylehibby]

To continue the tennis analogy, the English crowd loved Murray because he was British and a winner but not as much as they loved Henman who was properly British. :wink:

Scotland or Wales in international footy after England are out (I just about remember 78 and we have 2016 evidence for Wales) are treated a bit like poor old Greg Rusedski, not *really* British but needs must and all that.

Andy Murray was British until he lost then he was Scottish. A point I made to an English client some years ago who refused to believe it. He called me after Murray was knocked out that year to say he’d just heard that change in nationality.

[The Baldmans Comb]

English people on English TV channels cheering on their nations team is exactly what happens in every other country in the world and is absolutely normal and absolutely to be expected.

Ferdinand and Lineker are deep football fans and proud Englishman who deserve totally to relish in their teams success.

A few "house jocks" and some token Welshman hardly alter the fact that English people control 100% the broadcasting output in tone and content be it in news, entertainment,current affairs and in this case sport and they turn the screw and use this monopoly to ultimate affect anytime they see fit or the interests of their country are under threat.

That is what absolute power allows and I have no problem with this whatsoever though I certainly don't pay anything to participate.

[One Day Soon]

To continue the tennis analogy, the English crowd loved Murray because he was British and a winner but not as much as they loved Henman who was properly British. :wink:

Scotland or Wales in international footy after England are out (I just about remember 78 and we have 2016 evidence for Wales) are treated a bit like poor old Greg Rusedski, not *really* British but needs must and all that.

What's the evidence basis for this? British tennis was absolutely gagging for a Wimbledon winner after such a long drought and I don't recollect anything other utter joy when Andy won. Maybe there's some kind of support index you can measure the love for Henman versus Andy Murray against but if there is I'd like to see it.

[One Day Soon]

I've thoroughly enjoyed it apart for Scotland's 2 defeats, I just dont understand needless arguments over commentators or supporting anyone against England, just sit back and watch the best in Europe play.

Indeed.

[One Day Soon]

Just reflecting that quite often English pundits have been at least balanced by others guesting on the programmes. I thought Klinsmann was particularly dignified last night - certainly a lot more so than in his notorious diving days.

Gabby Yorath presenting, Roy Keane, Graeme Souness, Mark Hughes, Robbie Savage etc, someone from at least one of the two competing nations usually on the panel (I thought the Dutch guy was ok when they were playing), Ally McCoist co-commentating etc. Did we ever have anyone non Scottish commentating or on the panel for our games? Don't recall any Croats or Czechs but I could be wrong.

To be honest the only time I've noticed or been bothered about any of this is when someone like Ferdinand was just being a bit rubbish about whatever game was on. I think a few of the 'names' are there for just that reason rather than offering much insight or great wit.

[Lago]

:top marks
I've thoroughly enjoyed it apart for Scotland's 2 defeats, I just dont understand needless arguments over commentators or supporting anyone against England, just sit back and watch the best in Europe play.

[CloudSquall]

The Wimbledon Hoorah Henry types will never get over Andy Murray's "Anyone but England" joke with Henman, they still hold it against him.

[marinello59]

I've thoroughly enjoyed it apart for Scotland's 2 defeats, I just dont understand needless arguments over commentators or supporting anyone against England, just sit back and watch the best in Europe play.

:top marks
This has been a cracking tournament so far, I’m going to relax and enjoy the rest of it. Watching fans of every nation out celebrating again has been really uplifting for me.

[JeMeSouviens]

What's the evidence basis for this? British tennis was absolutely gagging for a Wimbledon winner after such a long drought and I don't recollect anything other utter joy when Andy won. Maybe there's some kind of support index you can measure the love for Henman versus Andy Murray against but if there is I'd like to see it.

There was always support for Murray but not much affection until he had a good greet on Sue Barker's shoulder. Anyway, don't take my word for it, here's Tiger Tim:


Henman said: “I find it a bit sad that it takes Andy crying after his Wimbledon final for people to look at him and say, ‘Wow, he does care.’

“He has always had good support but I think that was the turning point for him. That and then winning the Olympic title.

“The crowd in the Wimbledon final last year was about 50-50 because Roger is pretty much the most popular player ever. But when you moved it forward four weeks for the Olympic final it was 90-10 in favour of Andy.

“Does that make a difference? Maybe a very small percentage but it can all add up.

“It’s good to see Andy probably has more backing among the Wimbledon crowd than Federer now after that awkward spell at the start."

[heretoday]

The Wimbledon Hoorah Henry types will never get over Andy Murray's "Anyone but England" joke with Henman, they still hold it against him.

I don't think that's true. The hoorah Henries have got other things on their minds, like property prices and that.

it's the Defence League types in the pubs who get upset about that sort of stuff. it's a class thing.

[He's here!]

Just reflecting that quite often English pundits have been at least balanced by others guesting on the programmes. I thought Klinsmann was particularly dignified last night - certainly a lot more so than in his notorious diving days.

Gabby Yorath presenting, Roy Keane, Graeme Souness, Mark Hughes, Robbie Savage etc, someone from at least one of the two competing nations usually on the panel (I thought the Dutch guy was ok when they were playing), Ally McCoist co-commentating etc. Did we ever have anyone non Scottish commentating or on the panel for our games? Don't recall any Croats or Czechs but I could be wrong.

To be honest the only time I've noticed or been bothered about any of this is when someone like Ferdinand was just being a bit rubbish about whatever game was on. I think a few of the 'names' are there for just that reason rather than offering much insight or great wit.

Good point.

[ian cruise]

There was always support for Murray but not much affection until he had a good greet on Sue Barker's shoulder. Anyway, don't take my word for it, here's Tiger Tim:

I always thought people initially struggled to take to Murray due to the fact he was quiet, reserved and had quite a dry sense of humour/personality. Chris Froome in cycling is the same, people found it much harder to take to him compared to a big personality like Wiggins.

[marinello59]

I always thought people initially struggled to take to Murray due to the fact he was quiet, reserved and had quite a dry sense of humour/personality. Chris Froome in cycling is the same, people found it much harder to take to him compared to a big personality like Wiggins.

Crowd tonight seem to be behind him alright.

[He's here!]

Crowd tonight seem to be behind him alright.


👍

Their support tonight carried him over the line. There's a lot of love there.

[hibsbollah]

Crowd tonight seem to be behind him alright.

That’s why the poster said ‘initially’.

There’s no question Murray was less popular early doors than his compatriots.

Now he benefits from a wave of empathy/sympathy because of his injuries and the whole battling back narrative.

Henman fitted into the Wimbledon environment like a glove, Murray’s had to learn a different path.

[JimBHibees]

Again, I'm not sure there would be much difference if Scotland had beaten Germany yesterday and were the only Home Nations team left. In those (admittedly unlikely) circumstances would we take such exception to an English commentator saying things like a Ukrainian injury could be good news for Scotland, or indeed referencing Scotland's great win over Germany earlier that day? I suspect a Scottish commentary team would be making just the same sort of observations.

We are not talking about a one off we are talking year after year after year.

[JimBHibees]

That’s why the poster said ‘initially’.

There’s no question Murray was less popular early doors than his compatriots.

Now he benefits from a wave of empathy/sympathy because of his injuries and the whole battling back narrative.

Henman fitted into the Wimbledon environment like a glove, Murray’s had to learn a different path.

Can remember in one of his earlier years not long after the Sun done him over a fan shouting out to the other player to win it for England even though the player was French :confused: Murray fought back and won it in 5 the hero he is.

[cabbageandribs1875]

anyway back to football, Ukraine forward that picked up the injury against Sweden is out for game v engerlund, the red card decision Lineker described as 'ridiculous', stick to selling crisps


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5FIzd4X0AUZVLa?format=jpg&name=360x360

[JimBHibees]

I have lived here for thirty years too, pretty much got over the England thing on here years ago as I began to realise that some of the points raised are pretty valid. Each to their own but the tone of some of your responses is bound to provoke a similar response just as it would if you said it face to face. I love the banter on here regarding England and Scotland and pretty much never get myself wound up about it anymore though I admit I used to. I respect that I am posting on a Scottish football forum and if I post GIRUY Scotland which I rarely do these days then I fully understand and accept the response it will receive..

Now......who can still boogie ����������������

:greengrin:not worth

[One Day Soon]

👍

Their support tonight carried him over the line. There's a lot of love there.

They love him and he clearly loves them. He’s been through pretty grim stuff to get to play there again and you can see he’s in his element.

[marinello59]

That’s why the poster said ‘initially’.

There’s no question Murray was less popular early doors than his compatriots.

Now he benefits from a wave of empathy/sympathy because of his injuries and the whole battling back narrative.

Henman fitted into the Wimbledon environment like a glove, Murray’s had to learn a different path.

I’m not over thinking it, I was taking pleasure in tonight. I tend to do that with sport, I relax and enjoy it. :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

I’m not over thinking it, I was taking pleasure in tonight. I tend to do that with sport, I relax and enjoy it. :greengrin

I don’t doubt it, I bet you’re like me, can enjoy it while also being aware of wider things going on around you at the same time :agree:

[marinello59]

I don’t doubt it, I bet you’re like me, can enjoy it while also being aware of wider things going on around you at the same time :agree:

Sometimes I’m totally unaware. Ignorance is bliss. :greengrin

[He's here!]

That’s why the poster said ‘initially’.

There’s no question Murray was less popular early doors than his compatriots.

Now he benefits from a wave of empathy/sympathy because of his injuries and the whole battling back narrative.

Henman fitted into the Wimbledon environment like a glove, Murray’s had to learn a different path.

The love and respect was earned by becoming one of the greatest (if not the greatest) British sports stars of all time (and brilliant role model to boot), not because of his injuries.

[J-C]

Goes back to the early stages of his career when Murray joked he'd support any except England, took him a few years to get them back on his side.

[hibsbollah]

The love and respect was earned by becoming one of the greatest (if not the greatest) British sports stars of all time (and brilliant role model to boot), not because of his injuries.

Well I’d posit that it depends on who you are :dunno: I can’t say I’m bothered either way, I just relax and enjoy the tennis :greengrin

[He's here!]

We are not talking about a one off we are talking year after year after year.


You could argue though that with Scotland having been absent from major tournaments for so long we don't really know whether our pundits would be any less partisan.

Personally I just thought that after 55 years of major tournament failure against the Germans (arguably England's greatest football rivals bearing in mind how rarely they play Scotland) and 18 months where good news stories have been rare the English pundits/media were entitled to go a bit OTT.

Definitely bowing out of this debate now ;-)

[Bristolhibby]

Goes back to the early stages of his career when Murray joked he'd support any except England, took him a few years to get them back on his side.

Just saying what most true football fans would say.

“Bristolhibby, I presume you will be wanting Hearts to win the Cup Final this year?”

Seriously, that’s the same question.

Andy answered it as all on here would answer it.

An older more polished AM would have said with a wry smile, “of course I want England to do well”, have a wee wink and leave it at that.

J

[hibsbollah]

You could argue though that with Scotland having been absent from major tournaments for so long we don't really know whether our pundits would be any less partisan.

Personally I just thought that after 55 years of major tournament failure against the Germans (arguably England's greatest football rivals bearing in mind how rarely they play Scotland) and 18 months where good news stories have been rare the English pundits/media were entitled to go a bit OTT.

Definitely bowing out of this debate now ;-)

The (English)football podcast I listen to led with ‘if you need a break from all of the England euphoria, or at least some perspective, here’s a look back on Euro 2008 in our Euro stories series…’

I get the feeling that there’s plenty of English people who also agree with most Scots’ assertion that the English sports media go overboard, and probably uniquely so.

[Callum_62]

anyway back to football, Ukraine forward that picked up the injury against Sweden is out for game v engerlund, the red card decision Lineker described as 'ridiculous', stick to selling crisps


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5FIzd4X0AUZVLa?format=jpg&name=360x360I've only seen it twice back but I think he was very unfortunate to see red too actually

Obviously the freeze frame is horrible but you could do that with alot of tackles

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[CockneyRebel]

If it's not very sore it certainly should be. :wink:

Yes it was sore and I was feeling a wee bit delicate. No football for a while now so I will reflect (after reading back my earlier posts) and try to be a better person and not talk too much p*sh.

[cabbageandribs1875]

freakin appalling the abuse this wee lassie got on social media, Xenophobic runts

Euro 2021: Disgust after crying young German fan attacked online during England vs Germany | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/england-germany-crying-girl-wembley-b1875515.html?fbclid=IwAR3ONisO_Hw8K3CLtiWyslh14Kx RECmC6zln5r5OQ3Nc-eJO4NZ3Q1eiVb8)

obviously the worst has been left out

Their excitement was criticised as was their lack of grace in winning, as supporters at Wembley booed the German national anthem, sang inappropriate songs and cheered and laughed at a clip of a young German girl crying as her team looked set to lose the game.

[Glory Lurker]

freakin appalling the abuse this wee lassie got on social media, Xenophobic runts

Euro 2021: Disgust after crying young German fan attacked online during England vs Germany | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/england-germany-crying-girl-wembley-b1875515.html?fbclid=IwAR3ONisO_Hw8K3CLtiWyslh14Kx RECmC6zln5r5OQ3Nc-eJO4NZ3Q1eiVb8)

obviously the worst has been left out

Their excitement was criticised as was their lack of grace in winning, as supporters at Wembley booed the German national anthem, sang inappropriate songs and cheered and laughed at a clip of a young German girl crying as her team looked set to lose the game.






I noticed cheering at the time but hoped it was because Muller was going off. I had a horrible feeling it wasn't though.

[Scouse Hibee]

England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 of course, would sit nicely along the trophy of 66😁

[ian cruise]

Crowd tonight seem to be behind him alright.

Agree he's won the majority over, I think the emotion he showed from his Wimbledon win plus playing up to his reputation for being dour and making a joke of it helped. I was meaning earlier in his career.

[Keith_M]

England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 of course, would sit nicely along the trophy of 66😁


Did you post this in the wrong thread?

:dunno:

[oneone73]

Agree he's won the majority over, I think the emotion he showed from his Wimbledon win plus playing up to his reputation for being dour and making a joke of it helped. I was meaning earlier in his career.

It was the emotion he displayed after losing the 2012 Wimbledon final to Federer that swung it. Helped, shortly after, by winning Olympic gold for the UK.

[Keith_M]

Yes it was sore and I was feeling a wee bit delicate. No football for a while now so I will reflect (after reading back my earlier posts) and try to be a better person and not talk too much p*sh.


I hope you enjoy the rest of the tournament, mate.

:aok:

[ian cruise]

It was the emotion he displayed after losing the 2012 Wimbledon final to Federer that swung it. Helped, shortly after, by winning Olympic gold for the UK.

Yeah actually, I forgot about that final (was it really 2012? God I'm old). Regardless he's definitely a fan favourite now and deservedly so.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I noticed cheering at the time but hoped it was because Muller was going off. I had a horrible feeling it wasn't though.


hope they find the family
https://nation.cymru/news/wales-fan-raises-almost-1000-for-crying-german-girl-mocked-online-to-show-her-not-everyone-is-horrible/?fbclid=IwAR3nBE5sGP2bl_844pMMzBk4rvu93JAABxg5pC9Z Rj07rb36BJObHA2XuP8


A Wales football supporter has raised hundreds of pounds for a little German fan cruelly mocked online after England’s victory over Germany at Wembley.
The little girl was the subject of shameful abuse after she was pictured crying on television and on the big screen at the stadium.

[calumhibee1]

hope they find the family
https://nation.cymru/news/wales-fan-raises-almost-1000-for-crying-german-girl-mocked-online-to-show-her-not-everyone-is-horrible/?fbclid=IwAR3nBE5sGP2bl_844pMMzBk4rvu93JAABxg5pC9Z Rj07rb36BJObHA2XuP8


A Wales football supporter has raised hundreds of pounds for a little German fan cruelly mocked online after England’s victory over Germany at Wembley.
The little girl was the subject of shameful abuse after she was pictured crying on television and on the big screen at the stadium.





Why on earth does money need to be raised for her :confused:

[McSwanky]

hope they find the family
https://nation.cymru/news/wales-fan-raises-almost-1000-for-crying-german-girl-mocked-online-to-show-her-not-everyone-is-horrible/?fbclid=IwAR3nBE5sGP2bl_844pMMzBk4rvu93JAABxg5pC9Z Rj07rb36BJObHA2XuP8


A Wales football supporter has raised hundreds of pounds for a little German fan cruelly mocked online after England’s victory over Germany at Wembley.
The little girl was the subject of shameful abuse after she was pictured crying on television and on the big screen at the stadium.





I find this a really depressing story, for a number of reasons....

1. Why do the TV companies continue to think showing children crying is a good idea? That's been happening for a good while now, and it serves no positive purpose at all. I'm not saying that they should be *banned* from showing stuff like that, but surely human decency dictates that there's no need.
2. The fans that cheered, or got involved in the online comments need a good boot up the *rse.
3. I'm not really sure how giving the child £1000 is going to make a difference. What's she going to do with that, buy a big **** off teddy bear? Or, more likely, an iPhone? It's not as if she's likely to be massively hard up given her family managed to take her to Wembley.

The whole thing is a nice wee illustration on how ****ed up our society is. Nobody seems to be pulling people in points 1 and 2 up for being utter tools, and the way to 'fix' it is to throw money at a wee girl?

I despair.

[One Day Soon]

Absolutely gagging for tonight's games.

[hibsbollah]

Absolutely gagging for tonight's games.

:agree: Two great matchups, potentially. Spain Switzerland is a class of two styles, Spain will have all 70% possession, Swiss will try to get it wide and feed Serafinic(sp?) in the air. Italy Belgium would be a great final, Lukaku vs Italy’s centre backs will be quite the battle but just quality all over the pitch. I’ll be cheering Italy but I have a feeling that Belgium will do it.

[BILLYHIBS]

Alvaro Morata evens to have a shot on target Sky Bet

Got to be free money? 😃

[Saint Hibee]

:agree: Two great matchups, potentially. Spain Switzerland is a class of two styles, Spain will have all 70% possession, Swiss will try to get it wide and feed Serafinic(sp?) in the air. Italy Belgium would be a great final, Lukaku vs Italy’s centre backs will be quite the battle but just quality all over the pitch. I’ll be cheering Italy but I have a feeling that Belgium will do it.

I love Lukaku, but he looked totally spent, or even injured, at the end of the Portugal game.

[Callum_62]

1-0 Spain

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[hibsbollah]

Going per script, Spain with all the ball, Swiss looking sharp on the break. Not over, you can see the Swiss getting into it. Shame for Embolo, he’s looked good, off injured.

[CMurdoch]

1-0 Spain

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Heavily deflected shot for the goal and the wonderful Embolo off injured. Disaster for the Swiss.

[hibsbollah]

This is plodding football. We’ve been trying to work out why someone in the crowd is flying a Vietnam flag :dunno:

[Lancs Harp]

I see they have now given that goal as an own goal, original shot looked like it was on target to me.

Switzerland still in it at 1-0, very few chances at either end.

[CropleyWasGod]

This is plodding football. We’ve been trying to work out why someone in the crowd is flying a Vietnam flag :dunno:

It's Hanoi-ing me too.

[HoboHarry]

It's Hanoi-ing me too.

It's Charlie, tell him to knock it off.....

[Lancs Harp]

That could well have been 1-1 header Zakaria.

[Lancs Harp]

Spain 1 Switzerland 1 Shaqiri bit of a F .. up in the Spanish defence there.

[Jim44]

Keystone cops in the Spanish defence.

[hibsbollah]

Spain 1 Switzerland 1 Shaqiri bit of a F .. up in the Spanish defence there.

Laporte showing why he couldn’t get in the French team….

[Lancs Harp]

Man sent off what shame for the game. Not a great tackle but im not sure a red.

edit to add a Swiss player

[hibsbollah]

Walton correct, red, Swiss hanging on

[Sylar]

Never a red. Terrible decision.

[CMurdoch]

Back in it for 10 minutes .........and now back up against it.
Win it in the final 10 mins or hang on in ET for penalties.

[overdrive]

Never a red. Terrible decision.

I agree. We’d all be fuming if that was Hibs on the receiving end of that.

[dunfyhibby]

Never a red. Terrible decision.

Totally agree! If that's a red, we may as well give up playing football! The game is for pussies nowadays!!!

[JimBHibees]

Never a red. Terrible decision.

Wasn't a great tackle and was reckless however given the magnitude of the game think should only be clear cut ones imo could easily have been given as a yellow.

[Lancs Harp]

Wasn't a great tackle and was reckless however given the magnitude of the game think should only be clear cut ones imo could easily have been given as a yellow.

I agree with that Jim. If the Ref had given a yellow card would anyone have blinked an eyelid?

[Brightside]

I'm not sure how that can't be a red. Studs up and made contact with the guys leg....

[Sylar]

I expected a red in real-time if im honest. The replay made it clear it wasn’t. Im amazed VAR never reduced it to a yellow (which it deserved IMHO).

[JimBHibees]

I agree with that Jim. If the Ref had given a yellow card would anyone have blinked an eyelid?

Yep clearly not helped with the players reaction but should only be stick on reds

[JimBHibees]

When you look at the travelling Switzerland have done Baku Rome Baku Bucharest St Petersburg while others have done next to nothing in terms of travel it really is a shambolically unfair tournament on top of that they are now picking up muscle injuriies to key players.

[JohnMcM]

This extra time is probably all about fitness in the Spanish team, this is their 3rd extra time isn’t it?

[MWHIBBIES]

Ref, VAR and itvs studio ref all days it's a clear red

Hibs.net - never a red....

Clear red card, studs up, reckless. I'd be raging if a Hibs player done that in a totally safe situation in a vital game.

[Vault Boy]

It was harsh, but justifiable. We can't act like there's not plenty of grey area with these things.

I'd want to see a yellow there personally.

[MWHIBBIES]

Totally agree! If that's a red, we may as well give up playing football! The game is for pussies nowadays!!!

The game is for quality footballers, not hackers and kickers. As it should be. Clear red.

[HoboHarry]

In the current game that was a red all day long whether we like it or not.

[hibsbollah]

Sommer was funny there as Moreno missed, just stared him down, ‘did you really miss that?’

[CropleyWasGod]

This extra time is probably all about fitness in the Spanish team, this is their 3rd extra time isn’t it?

2nd, as it is for the Swiss.

[Mon Dieu4]

Take it Isco is still out of favour? He's better than the majority of this Spanish team

[hibsbollah]

Yon Akinji is having quite a game after a ropey start.

[MWHIBBIES]

Take it Isco is still out of favour? He's better than the majority of this Spanish team

Had a terrible season. Getting on as well. Enrique planning for future

[hibsbollah]

Take it Isco is still out of favour? He's better than the majority of this Spanish team

They only took 24 players when they could have taken 26. Not sure how they can explain that, no Aspas either

[Lancs Harp]

Ruined my schedule for the night this extra time.

Had it all planned, watch the Spain Switzerland match make dinner in the hour or so before the Belgium Italy game. Onl half watching now!

Personally be surprised if this Spanish team won the tournament, still very much in the rebuilding stage for me. I think any of Italy, Belgium, England or Denmark would beat them. Czech would make it very tough for them too.

[MWHIBBIES]

Ruined my schedule for the night this extra time.

Had it all planned, watch the Spain Switzerland match make dinner in the hour or so before the Belgium Italy game. Onl half watching now!

Personally be surprised if this Spanish team won the tournament, still very much in the rebuilding stage for me. I think any of Italy, Belgium, England or Denmark would beat them. Czech would make it very tough for them too.

They're a good side, seeing them against Belgium or Italy would be great. They press well, move it around quickly and create loads.

[Lancs Harp]

They're a good side, seeing them against Belgium or Italy would be great. They press well, move it around quickly and create loads.

Oh without a doubt a good watch, just think they are in a state of flux, lack a punch and I think you can get at them at the back. Like I said I would be surprised if they won this tournament.

[Jim44]

Anybody else getting the sinking feeling that this tournament is gradually drifting towards an English success? :rolleyes:

[MWHIBBIES]

Anybody else getting the sinking feeling that this tournament is gradually drifting towards an English success? :rolleyes:

Not really. Spain, Belgium and Italy could all beat England imo. All been as good or better.

[Chorley Hibee]

The game is for quality footballers, not hackers and kickers. As it should be. Clear red.

Tackling should also be part of the game, but they seem determined to eliminate that aspect.

It's ruining the game IMHO.

[MWHIBBIES]

Tackling should also be part of the game, but they seem determined to eliminate that aspect.

It's ruining the game IMHO.

Tackling is and always has been perfectly within the rules.

Fouling isn't and never has been within the rules.

Its ruining nothing. You can't get away with bad challenges like that.

[Since452]

Anybody else getting the sinking feeling that this tournament is gradually drifting towards an English success? :rolleyes:

I think only Belgium would beat them. Italy toiled against the only half decent team they've played. Italy will get hammered tonight.

[Lancs Harp]

Anybody else getting the sinking feeling that this tournament is gradually drifting towards an English success? :rolleyes:

bl00dy hope so mate :wink::greengrin

[MWHIBBIES]

I think only Belgium would beat them. Italy toiled against the only half decent team they've played.

Italy beat Switzerland 3-0

[Since452]

Italy beat Switzerland 3-0

Switzerland aren't very good. Certainly no better than who we played.

[Jim44]

Not really. Spain, Belgium and Italy could all beat England imo. All been as good or better.

Well Spain are making a meal of it, one of Italy or Belgium is out. It seems to me that the road is opening up for England.

[Lancs Harp]

These Swiss lads must be knackered. A great effort.

[Since90+2]

Switzerland aren't very good. Certainly no better than who we played.

Must be half decent if they beat France and are just about to take Spain to penalties with 10 men.

[MWHIBBIES]

Switzerland aren't very good. Certainly no better than who we played.

Looked pretty good beating France and taking Spain all the way.

[hibsbollah]

I think only Belgium would beat them. Italy toiled against the only half decent team they've played. Italy will get hammered tonight.

Have you watched Denmark? They look England’s match so far.

I’m getting kicked off the tv by mrs bollah, it’s Andy Murray from here on in

[Lancs Harp]

Great effort Switzerland.

[JXM73]

6 pens in a row missed by Spain

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

That's a great start for the Swiss

[Pretty Boy]

Some of these penalties are proper honking.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Swiss can't handle the pressure

[J-C]

Worst penalty shootout ever, never seen so many poor attempts.

[Magpie]

Some terrible penalties here.

[Hibrandenburg]

Match Ball spain

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Conversion

[Pretty Boy]

Omg.

What the **** was that? Even if it was on target the keeper was plucking it out the air after he's nipped for a fag and a paper.

[Hibrandenburg]

Game Set and match

[Pretty Boy]

Coolest penalty of the night wins it.

[Lancs Harp]

Both Keepers were excellent. Well done Spain. Well played Switzerland.

Looking forward to Italy Belgium now.

[MWHIBBIES]

More great drama and entertainment. Spain have a shot, especially if they start converting chances

[J-C]

Spain the better team but their strikers were stinking tonight.

[Pretty Boy]

Spain the better team but their strikers were stinking tonight.

It's been their achilles heel since Torres and particularly Villa called it a day.

[Jim44]

I’m glad that Spain saw it out. When push comes to shove, they are one of the few teams left who can beat England in 90 minutes ..... and that’s the point of this tournament, isn’t it? Only joking, English Hibbies. I think England have a great shout but I won’t shed a tear if they fall at any of the hurdles.

[MWHIBBIES]

It's been their achilles heel since Torres and particularly Villa called it a day.

Diego Costa was pretty good at the world cup, but he's finished now.

[Lancs Harp]

Italy v Belgium where are we sticking our pound on this one.

Italy for me. Just hope its a great game.

[Jim44]

Italy v Belgium where are we sticking our pound on this one.

Italy for me. Just hope its a great game.

First to score will win it. I fancy Lukaku to get it.

[heretoday]

Italy v Belgium where are we sticking our pound on this one.

Italy for me. Just hope its a great game.

I've money on Italy pre-tournament, as ever.

I love the Italian anthem when the camera pans along the team. Film stars and psychopaths. I think it was Hugh McIlvanney who wrote that!

[Lancs Harp]

VAR offside quite correct

[Mon Dieu4]

The old boy with the blow up devil fork is the star of the show so far haha

[Mon Dieu4]

Great finish by Italy

[SteveHFC]

What a ****ing goal

[Lancs Harp]

1-0 italia beautiful goal

[Jim44]

First to score will win it. I fancy Lukaku to get it.

First part correct, maybe ....... second part, wrong again.:greengrin

[Lancs Harp]

Up against it now Belgium. Playing probably the best national team in game management in the World.

Compelling stuff tho.

[BILLYHIBS]

The good news either of these sides could take England

[Lancs Harp]

The good news either of these sides could take England

or not :wink:

[Hibrandenburg]

For the first time in my life I find myself warming to this Italian team. Probably because so many other teams have adopted their theatrics that they no longer stand out from the crowd.

[BILLYHIBS]

or not :wink:
We’ll see

[Mon Dieu4]

On you go wee man, belter

[cabbageandribs1875]

and that...is game

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

That's brilliant

[Lancs Harp]

2-0 Italy they have been brilliant so far. Famous last words I know but no way are Italy losing this.

[Jim44]

Italy up for this. 2-0

[calumhibee1]

Think Insigne could have walked that into the goals. No challenge whatsoever.

[Magpie]

Penalty Belgium!

[marinello59]

Superb from Italy. This tournament just keeps getting better.

[SteveHFC]

Italy are a joy to watch.

They are winning the Euro’s.

[calumhibee1]

Not sure that’s a pen.

Edit: after seeing another replay it probably is. Just.

[cabbageandribs1875]

still game :)

[JoeT]

Brilliant the way Italy dragged them out to counter with more space for the goal

[Lancs Harp]

Go 2-0 up and me mouthing off about Italian game management and they give a penalty away straight away. football eh :greengrin

[Magpie]

Game on!

[Sylar]

Surely nobody who's paid any attention to Serie A in the past couple of years is surprised by how good this Italian side are?

[Lancs Harp]

2-1 Italy Lukaku coverts. Half time

[660]

Best game of tournament. Italy are magic

[calumhibee1]

Surely nobody who's paid any attention to Serie A in the past couple of years is surprised by how good this Italian side are?

People are probably surprised because if you don’t pay attention to the Serie A then next to nobody does much at European level.

Italy have looked very good though. A lot of players that I’ve heard of but didn’t expect to be quite so good.

[CmoantheHibs]

Italy have the look of champions.

[heretoday]

For the first time in my life I find myself warming to this Italian team. Probably because so many other teams have adopted their theatrics that they no longer stand out from the crowd.

Agreed!:agree:

[calumhibee1]

I’m back to thinking thats never a penalty.

[BILLYHIBS]

I’m back to thinking thats never a penalty.
If that was Boyle in the SPL

Play on!

[007]

Switzerland Hearts'd that penalty shootout. 🤣

[hibsbollah]

Surely nobody who's paid any attention to Serie A in the past couple of years is surprised by how good this Italian side are?

I don’t watch série a as often as I’d like because I don’t have that tv package, but the run their National side were on, twenty odd unbeaten, made it clear they were one of the favourites.

[Lancs Harp]

If that was Boyle in the SPL

Play on!

penalty at home to St Mirren or Ross County, no penalty at Ibrox or Celtic Park

[JimBHibees]

Best game of the tournament two excellent teams.

[JohnMcM]

Here we go, the England chat instead of a full half-time analysis.

[Lancs Harp]

I don’t watch série a as often as I’d like because I don’t have that tv package, but the run their National side were on, twenty odd unbeaten, made it clear they were one of the favourites.

Is Andy Murray winning mate? :greengrin Youre missing a cracker!

[hibsbollah]

Is Andy Murray winning mate? :greengrin Youre missing a cracker!

:faf: I caught up with the highlights at HT, that’s the perils of marriage, sometimes you get kicked off the tv

[Saint Hibee]

I know he doesn’t exactly offer penetrating insight, but I love Micah Richard’s enthusiasm. Just somebody who really loves football.

[cabbageandribs1875]

we're watching the winners of the tournament here, hopefully


all footy purists will agree

[Jim44]

Game back on. Anybody’s game.

[hibsbollah]

I know he doesn’t exactly offer penetrating insight, but I love Micah Richard’s enthusiasm. Just somebody who really loves football.

He pisses me right off

[Jim44]

Insigne in English is ‘distinguished’ ....... how appropriate.

[Callum_62]

I like Richards. Can't believe we have Martin Keown summarising though.

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[Saint Hibee]

He pisses me right off

Fair enough. Maybe I’m just inspired by a man who’s not ashamed to show his moobs on the telly!

[CloudSquall]

Surely nobody who's paid any attention to Serie A in the past couple of years is surprised by how good this Italian side are?


"LOOK AT ME I WATCH SERIE A"



:greengrin

[calumhibee1]

The game is for quality footballers, not hackers and kickers. As it should be. Clear red.

:agree:

Sometimes think that some folk would be better going to watch MMA.

We watch football for the football talent. Not to see how ‘hard’ folk are. Facebook comments sections are incredible for this.

[Saint Hibee]

Italy are very, very good.

[Callum_62]

Love how physched they are to defend

Cracking game

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[calumhibee1]

That pass from Barella was Scott Allan esque

[Callum_62]

Belgium sort of hanging on although should have been 2-2

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[Smartie]

This is what football is all about.

2 teams getting stuck into each other, attacking, trying to win the game.

There’s enough tepid, cautious, conservative crap these days that makes it brilliant to watch a couple of teams of this standard going at it.

Not just the beautiful game either. There are some nice wee gamesmanship subplots that are adding to it as well.

[Callum_62]

You have to fancy it's the winner of this versus England in the final

Italy looking more likely for sure

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[marinello59]

This is what football is all about.

2 teams getting stuck into each other, attacking, trying to win the game.

There’s enough tepid, cautious, conservative crap these days that makes it brilliant to watch a couple of teams of this standard going at it.

Not just the beautiful game either. There are some nice wee gamesmanship subplots that are adding to it as well.

Yeap, there’s a bit of everything in this one. Loving it.

[Lancs Harp]

This is what football is all about.

2 teams getting stuck into each other, attacking, trying to win the game.

There’s enough tepid, cautious, conservative crap these days that makes it brilliant to watch a couple of teams of this standard going at it.

Not just the beautiful game either. There are some nice wee gamesmanship subplots that are adding to it as well.

Totally compelling, Italy in particular have been simply brilliant but Belgium still offer a threat.

[Saint Hibee]

Italy are playing how I want to see Hibs play.

[ronaldo7]

The ref has been a better defender than the Belgians at times. He's always in the way when the Italians are building around the box.

[Callum_62]

The ref has been a better defender than the Belgians at times. He's always in the way when the Italians are building around the box.He also was a great defender for the Italians giving that FK to Bonucci when he was dispossesed

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[One Day Soon]

I am loving this but we’d better win.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Italians have quite a good record agaisnt the Belgians


W-14
D-4
L-4

[Magpie]

Gutted for Spinazzola, he’s had a brilliant tournament, will be a miss for them if they qualify.

[Glory Lurker]

That is one terrible pitch.

[MWHIBBIES]

Seeing what happens when you put silly demands on players. Dropping like flies. Only going to get worse with the mid season world cup.

[Lancs Harp]

Gutted for Spinazzola, he’s had a brilliant tournament, will be a miss for them if they qualify.

He has been exceptional. He plays for Roma?

[ronaldo7]

Gutted for Spinazzola, he’s had a brilliant tournament, will be a miss for them if they qualify.

He's been fantastic.

[Magpie]

He has been exceptional. He plays for Roma?

Yep!

[Pretty Boy]

Is this last chance saloon for Belgium to win a major tournament? If not this one then the WC next year may be. A lot of guys in that squad 30+.

They remind me a bit of the Portugal team that had Figo, Rui Costa, Nuno Gomes etc in it. They will always be close but never quite get across the line.

[calumhibee1]

He has been exceptional. He plays for Roma?

Yup. 28 though, can’t see him going anywhere.

Also, he’s right footed so playing on the wrong side.

Belgium left back looks a very good player.

[calumhibee1]

Is this last chance saloon for Belgium to win a major tournament? If not this one then the WC next year may be. A lot of guys in that squad 30+.

They remind me a bit of the Portugal team that had Figo, Rui Costa, Nuno Gomes etc in it. They will always be close but never quite get across the line.

Definitely.

They won’t have another crop like this.

They may manage to stretch it out to the World Cup but they will only be in the top 8 or so teams by that point I reckon.

After that they’ll be nowhere near.

[Lago]

Is Andy Murray winning mate? :greengrin Youre missing a cracker!
Nope and well beaten , Andy looks about 44 rather than 34, afraid his hip & age are against him now.

[SteveHFC]

Surprised not one big club in Europe has came in for Insigne. Under-rated player.

[Lancs Harp]

Is this last chance saloon for Belgium to win a major tournament? If not this one then the WC next year may be. A lot of guys in that squad 30+.

They remind me a bit of the Portugal team that had Figo, Rui Costa, Nuno Gomes etc in it. They will always be close but never quite get across the line.

To be honest I think they are over the top now. Been a greaat team though but filed under never fulfilled their true potential I think. Its been a great game but italy have always been in the boss seat for me, so much quality on the pitch, cue a Belgium equaliser.

[HH81]

Just switched it on after watching Yorks beat Lancashire at the cricket.

Hope Belgium score for extra time.

[calumhibee1]

Surprised not one big club in Europe has came in for Insigne. Under-rated player.

I want to say Man Utd have tried a few times?

30 now so he’ll be going nowhere: