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SHODAN
12-12-2020, 04:02 PM
Confirmed in (3):
Chris Cadden, two and a half year contract (midfielder, Columbus Crew)
Jackson Irvine, six month contract (midfielder, Hull)
Matt Macey, six month contract (goalkeeper, Arsenal)

Confirmed returned from loan (1):
Kevin Dabrowski (Cowdenbeath)

Confirmed out (1):
Dillon Barnes (QPR)

Confirmed out on loan (5):
Jamie Gullan (Raith)
Tom James (Salford)
Stevie Mallan (Yeni Malatyaspor)
Paddy Martin (Stenhousemuir)
Ryan Shanley (Kelty Hearts)

Confirmed new contracts (1):
Lewis Stevenson, one and a half years

PatHead
12-12-2020, 04:10 PM
Just hope we manage to hold on to what we have. It would be just like the thing to lose a couple of our star players when we are second in the league.

Monts
12-12-2020, 04:15 PM
Jackson Irvine still without a club :wink:

Haymaker
12-12-2020, 04:16 PM
:hyper

Billy Whizz
12-12-2020, 04:19 PM
:hyper

Don’t think he’d get in the side just now

CMurdoch
12-12-2020, 04:47 PM
It's time.

Confirmed in (0):
None

Confirmed out (0):
None

Confirmed out on loan (1):
Ryan Shanley (Kelty Hearts)

Confirmed new contracts (0):
None

Rumoured in:
None

Rumoured out:
None

Rumoured new contracts:
Ofir Marciano
Joe Newell

Plus new contract for Stevenson

Vault Boy
12-12-2020, 04:48 PM
Here we, here we, here we ****ing go.

Two in I reckon. Forward and a centre back.

Renton1875
12-12-2020, 05:05 PM
I've wondered this for a while but why does it say Greggs in the thread title?

Callum_62
12-12-2020, 05:29 PM
I've wondered this for a while but why does it say Greggs in the thread title?

Im sure back in the day we had some rumour that was overheard in Greggs the bakers

CMurdoch
12-12-2020, 06:54 PM
If we don't lose anyone and could even add 1 new starter I would be delighted

Gmack7
12-12-2020, 07:17 PM
The rangers have been clever with the deals involving Murphy and Mcrorie i wonder if Celtic will be looking to do similar deals with one or 2 fringe players

Northernhibee
12-12-2020, 07:21 PM
The rangers have been clever with the deals involving Murphy and Mcrorie i wonder if Celtic will be looking to do similar deals with one or 2 fringe players

:hyper

Billy Whizz
12-12-2020, 07:22 PM
The rangers have been clever with the deals involving Murphy and Mcrorie i wonder if Celtic will be looking to do similar deals with one or 2 fringe players

Can’t see them loaning us Odsonne

bingo70
12-12-2020, 07:24 PM
The rangers have been clever with the deals involving Murphy and Mcrorie i wonder if Celtic will be looking to do similar deals with one or 2 fringe players

I think the fringe players are the ones that are likely to save Lennons job and they’re not about to loan out £4/5m players.

04Sauzee
12-12-2020, 07:25 PM
The rangers have been clever with the deals involving Murphy and Mcrorie i wonder if Celtic will be looking to do similar deals with one or 2 fringe players

Would have been happy with Sorro but looks like he has just played his way into the Celtic team

staunchhibby
12-12-2020, 07:27 PM
Be more worried re Celtic making a move for our keeper

Franck Stanton
12-12-2020, 07:32 PM
The rangers have been clever with the deals involving Murphy and Mcrorie i wonder if Celtic will be looking to do similar deals with one or 2 fringe players

Why would we want any players from a team below us in the league ? 😉

1875Sean
12-12-2020, 07:41 PM
Where would we strengthen? I honestly can’t see us getting anyone in, we have a load of midfielders and Allan is hopeful back soon, maybe a striker if Gullen is allowed to go on loan?

Iggy Pope
12-12-2020, 09:49 PM
Where would we strengthen? I honestly can’t see us getting anyone in, we have a load of midfielders and Allan is hopeful back soon, maybe a striker if Gullen is allowed to go on loan?

Surely not? Great for the squad.

SteveHFC
12-12-2020, 10:43 PM
Thomas Robert being linked

Alex Trager
12-12-2020, 10:45 PM
Here we, here we, here we ****ing go.

Two in I reckon. Forward and a centre back.

That’s what I reckon as well.

JR said in his presser pre match that he’d be looking at two positions in the window.

Surely CB and CF

Alex Trager
12-12-2020, 10:47 PM
Thomas Robert being linked

Who is he?
Where does he play?
Who does he currently play for?

Etc. Etc.

Andy74
12-12-2020, 10:54 PM
Thomas Robert being linked

Thomas Roberts, the American who was on trial a while back I’d imagine.

Thomas Robert is the French guy who signed for Airdrie.

Edit: I see we are credited with watching the French one.

houstonhibbee
12-12-2020, 10:56 PM
It's time.

Confirmed in (0):
None

Confirmed out (0):
None

Confirmed out on loan (1):
Ryan Shanley (Kelty Hearts)

Confirmed new contracts (0):
None

Rumoured in:
None

Rumoured out:
None

Rumoured new contracts:
Ofir Marciano
Joe Newell

This must be the first window where we're happy with what we got. The list is usually long. Sign that things are in a good place. Wish Leeanne was staying tho......

Renton1875
12-12-2020, 10:58 PM
Im sure back in the day we had some rumour that was overheard in Greggs the bakers

Ah right, cheers!

Kato
12-12-2020, 11:02 PM
Thomas Roberts, the American who was on trial a while back I’d imagine.

Thomas Robert is the French guy who signed for Airdrie.

Edit: I see we are credited with watching the French one.

We should go for both. Bring back the days of the Andy Gorams.

SHODAN
12-12-2020, 11:27 PM
This must be the first window where we're happy with what we got. The list is usually long. Sign that things are in a good place. Wish Leeanne was staying tho......

I agree, minor work this window provided we don't lose anyone.

Iggy Pope
12-12-2020, 11:47 PM
Minor work this window in addition to not losing anyone at all would be much better. IMO.

We were looking threadbare not long back and three crap results followed. I mean if any of Lewis, Joe Newell, Paul McGinn, Ryan Porteous or Christian Doidge took a knock today for instance? I like a hungry squad but also one with lots of options. There’s room for one or two.

SteveHFC
12-12-2020, 11:53 PM
Who is he?
Where does he play?
Who does he currently play for?

Etc. Etc.

French midfielder that plays for Airdrie and Midfield mate.

S4uzee
12-12-2020, 11:57 PM
I think Greg Stewart would suit us well and can play a few positions

CMurdoch
13-12-2020, 12:58 AM
Football playing centre half cover for Hanlon is top priority. The alternative Daz & Porteous combo is rough. What a season Hanlon is having. Would also like to see Findlay of Kilmarnock teed up for next season on a pre-contract given Daz will almost certainly stop playing.
Second priority is a goalscoring striker as cover for our current 2 forwards although strikers don't keep well on ice. They need regular game time to stay sharp so might get away with putting this off and playing Gullan and Boyle as and when required.

Ozyhibby
13-12-2020, 02:51 AM
Centre mid for me. Get away with it against teams in the bottom half but against the better sides we are too easy to play through in the middle.
Need a centre half as well. Happy with our forward options.
We can do nothing and still finish 4th, so it’s about improving our fortunes against top teams in order to do something in the cups. For that I think we need to improve centre mid.


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Gmack7
13-12-2020, 07:20 AM
Football playing centre half cover for Hanlon is top priority. The alternative Daz & Porteous combo is rough. What a season Hanlon is having. Would also like to see Findlay of Kilmarnock teed up for next season on a pre-contract given Daz will almost certainly stop playing.
Second priority is a goalscoring striker as cover for our current 2 forwards although strikers don't keep well on ice. They need regular game time to stay sharp so might get away with putting this off and playing Gullan and Boyle as and when required.

I dont think a CH will be added. Gogic will be the additional cover if needed

hibee-boys
13-12-2020, 07:25 AM
I do think that Jamie Gullan needs to be playing more regularly at this stage of his career. Another forward option with Jamie going on loan to a bottom 6 SPL team or top of the championship should be arranged. Great hopes for Jamie but playing 15 mins once a week will stifle his chances.

The Modfather
13-12-2020, 07:50 AM
Centre mid for me. Get away with it against teams in the bottom half but against the better sides we are too easy to play through in the middle.
Need a centre half as well. Happy with our forward options.
We can do nothing and still finish 4th, so it’s about improving our fortunes against top teams in order to do something in the cups. For that I think we need to improve centre mid.

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Agreed, but only in the unlikely event we can sign someone who is an upgrade and the long term answer. Hopefully Hallberg’s emergence the last two games can see us through to the end of the season and I’d keep the January money for midfield towards our summer budget.

Greenbeard
13-12-2020, 08:06 AM
Minor work this window in addition to not losing anyone at all would be much better. IMO.

We were looking threadbare not long back and three crap results followed. I mean if any of Lewis, Joe Newell, Paul McGinn, Ryan Porteous or Christian Doidge took a knock today for instance? I like a hungry squad but also one with lots of options. There’s room for one or two.
Posted this on the January Transfer Window thread (merge?) after JR's Friday presser.....
JR asked if he expects to be busy during the Jan window.
Says he will be active to some extent as he looks to strengthen depth in a couple of areas and keep the squad fresh but not overly busy and it will also depend on what moves out.

SouthMoroccoStu
13-12-2020, 08:12 AM
I think Greg Stewart would suit us well and can play a few positions

I know 30 is the new 27 in football but I want us to focus on youth and resale

Since452
13-12-2020, 08:22 AM
Would like to get another striker in. Don't think we need much more

JohnM1875
13-12-2020, 08:36 AM
Would like to get another striker in. Don't think we need much more

Same. Striker and a CB for cover will do me.

Souter96Mac
13-12-2020, 08:40 AM
Who is he?
Where does he play?
Who does he currently play for?

Etc. Etc.

Son of former Newcastle player Laurent Robert. If he's anything like his dad, get him signed

Nevi_SOL
13-12-2020, 08:45 AM
I’d like to see us secure Campbell and Findlay on pre contracts. Bring in a back up striker and Gullan to go on loan to a Hamilton, Ross county or Dunfermline. Pretty happy with what we have.

Dmas
13-12-2020, 09:04 AM
I’d like to see us secure Campbell and Findlay on pre contracts. Bring in a back up striker and Gullan to go on loan to a Hamilton, Ross county or Dunfermline. Pretty happy with what we have.

I like the look of manny duku at raith, I did think he was younger than 27 so maybe not prepared to be 3rd choice but could be his last chance at a decent sized club, think he looks the part in championship great goal against them as well

Greenbeard
13-12-2020, 09:04 AM
I’d like to see us secure Campbell and Findlay on pre contracts. Bring in a back up striker and Gullan to go on loan to a Hamilton, Ross county or Dunfermline. Pretty happy with what we have.
Gullan will get more experience training with us and playing 15-20mins/week than he would playing 90 for dross like Hamilton.
Not in favour of him moving out on loan. His chance for more game time will come. Doidge/Nisbet are not indestructible and he is a more than capable deputy.
Campbell's stock is in decline. Not that impressed tbh. Not seen much of Findlay but from what I have seen he just looks like a carthorse huddie rather than a footballer.

w pilton hibby
13-12-2020, 09:06 AM
Son of former Newcastle player Laurent Robert. If he's anything like his dad, get him signed

Celtic and Dundee United two of several teams interested in Airdrieonians' Thomas Robert

https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/news/celtic-and-hibs-two-of-several-teams-interested-in-airdrieonians-thomas-robert/

Brightside
13-12-2020, 09:08 AM
Gullan will get more experience training with us and playing 15-20mins/week than he would playing 90 for dross like Hamilton.
Not in favour of him moving out on loan. His chance for more game time will come. Doidge/Nisbet are not indestructible and he is a more than capable deputy.
Campbell's stock is in decline. Not that impressed tbh. Not seen much of Findlay but from what I have seen he just looks like a carthorse huddie rather than a footballer.

Campbell is now in a struggling team. He’d be dynamite in our midfield.

Billy Whizz
13-12-2020, 09:08 AM
What’s the story with Robert going to Airdrie?

hibsmad
13-12-2020, 09:13 AM
Centre mid for me. Get away with it against teams in the bottom half but against the better sides we are too easy to play through in the middle.
Need a centre half as well. Happy with our forward options.
We can do nothing and still finish 4th, so it’s about improving our fortunes against top teams in order to do something in the cups. For that I think we need to improve centre mid.


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Completely agree. Not many people mentioning a centre mid as a priority but its the first position I'd be looking at. Someone disciplined who can tackle and move the ball on please.

The last two weeks have been great but I honestly can't see us winning many big matches with a midfield duo of Newell and Hallberg.

PatHead
13-12-2020, 09:42 AM
Not sure of the position but we need a real leader on the pitch. For all Paul Hanlon brings on the pitch he isn't a leader.
We need a Scott Brown,Yogi or Shinnie
type who drives us on. We still get bullied in too many games.

neil7908
13-12-2020, 09:43 AM
Not sure of the position but we need a real leader on the pitch. For all Paul Hanlon brings on the pitch he isn't a leader.
We need a Scott Brown,Yogi or Shinnie
type who drives us on. We still get bullied in too many games.

That not Gogic?

PatHead
13-12-2020, 09:45 AM
That not Gogic?

Physical but not a leader. Nipping at the ref. Driving team mates on when it is going against us etc.

We can still be too boy band like.

superfurryhibby
13-12-2020, 09:51 AM
Completely agree. Not many people mentioning a centre mid as a priority but its the first position I'd be looking at. Someone disciplined who can tackle and move the ball on please.

The last two weeks have been great but I honestly can't see us winning many big matches with a midfield duo of Newell and Hallberg.

Hopefully Magennis is that midfielder you refer to. Ross must think so, having splashed out cash and given the guy a five year contract. If he can come into the side and make an impact, that will be a huge bonus.

I suspect there won’t be much action at Hibs during this transfer window. Cash is surely very tight and unless we see players leaving, I don’t think there will be any big moves, although I wonder if we will see some of the guys out of contract moving on?

Gullan should be staying at Hibs, he’s getting close to a starting place and needs to be here in order to stake his claim. Not averse to young Doig going on loan, we have cover enough there with Stevenson
and Mackie

Northernhibee
13-12-2020, 10:11 AM
We can still be too boy band like.

I can’t agree with that at all. Porteous, Hanlon, Doidge, Nisbet, Marciano, Boyle and the like all show leadership and determination.

Since Stubbs took over we never were “boy band”. It’s a horrible phrase created by an egotist who wanted to look big when our 15/16 squad showed a huge deal of determination and grit and when given the chance to show it they still do - see yesterday, sorting themselves out the week before, breaking quickly out of a drop in form and the 2-2 game vs Rangers.

superfurryhibby
13-12-2020, 10:19 AM
I can’t agree with that at all. Porteous, Hanlon, Doidge, Nisbet, Marciano, Boyle and the like all show leadership and determination.

Since Stubbs took over we never were “boy band”. It’s a horrible phrase created by an egotist who wanted to look big when our 15/16 squad showed a huge deal of determination and grit and when given the chance to show it they still do - see yesterday, sorting themselves out the week before, breaking quickly out of a drop in form and the 2-2 game vs Rangers.

Agree, there are plenty of determined characters at Hibs, no shortage of leadership on or off the field. It’s not a phrase I would use to describe this side at all.

Andy74
13-12-2020, 10:25 AM
Completely agree. Not many people mentioning a centre mid as a priority but its the first position I'd be looking at. Someone disciplined who can tackle and move the ball on please.

The last two weeks have been great but I honestly can't see us winning many big matches with a midfield duo of Newell and Hallberg.

Centre midfield is about the last position we currently need.

Brightside
13-12-2020, 10:43 AM
Not sure of the position but we need a real leader on the pitch. For all Paul Hanlon brings on the pitch he isn't a leader.
We need a Scott Brown,Yogi or Shinnie
type who drives us on. We still get bullied in too many games.

This nonsense comes out all the time. Ask the players if he’s a leader. When was the last time we were bullied?

MWHIBBIES
13-12-2020, 10:48 AM
Physical but not a leader. Nipping at the ref. Driving team mates on when it is going against us etc.

We can still be too boy band like.

Christ that boy band patter needs to end :faf:

So desperately off the mark its unreal

The Modfather
13-12-2020, 11:17 AM
Centre midfield is about the last position we currently need.

I’m not so sure either. It’s certainly my priority in the summer but the emergence of Halberg the last two games (although I didn’t see either) could be like a new signing and see us through to the summer. The collection of central midfielders have largely struggled against the better teams, particularly Aberdeen, last season and this season. I’d probably keep our budget for the summer or a pre contract than sign a short term loan in January for midfield.

Aldo
13-12-2020, 11:20 AM
I think Greg Stewart would suit us well and can play a few positions

Is it just me that doesn’t rate him! Avg player at best and not sure how he would improve us!


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stantonhibby
13-12-2020, 11:53 AM
I can’t agree with that at all. Porteous, Hanlon, Doidge, Nisbet, Marciano, Boyle and the like all show leadership and determination.

Since Stubbs took over we never were “boy band”. It’s a horrible phrase created by an egotist who wanted to look big when our 15/16 squad showed a huge deal of determination and grit and when given the chance to show it they still do - see yesterday, sorting themselves out the week before, breaking quickly out of a drop in form and the 2-2 game vs Rangers.

The boy band thing was a bit of a sensationalist headline at the time of his appointment.....Lennon was referring more to the team over the years, particularly under Mowbray when we would beat Celtic one week and then lose to Motherwell the next. He actually praised Stubbs team for showing great character to win the cup after losing to Falkirk.

brog
13-12-2020, 12:37 PM
Not sure of the position but we need a real leader on the pitch. For all Paul Hanlon brings on the pitch he isn't a leader.
We need a Scott Brown,Yogi or Shinnie
type who drives us on. We still get bullied in too many games.

By that logic Pat Stanton wasn't a leader either. Sometimes players just lead by example & by having the total respect of their colleagues. I did however notice that it was Paul who got in Bobby Madden's face after the soft pen award to Celtc.

McD
13-12-2020, 01:20 PM
Is it just me that doesn’t rate him! Avg player at best and not sure how he would improve us!


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nah mate, I’m not a fan either

CapitalGreen
13-12-2020, 01:55 PM
Hibs just retweeted a tweet from Charleston Battery about Leland Archer. Is the blonde haired player behind him in the pic Thomas Roberts? Is he still here on trail?

https://twitter.com/chas_battery/status/1337864893354094596?s=21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpENB3XW8AA_42G?format=jpg&name=medium

Souter96Mac
13-12-2020, 01:59 PM
Hibs just retweeted a tweet from Charleston Battery about Leland Archer. Is the blonde haired player behind him in the pic Thomas Roberts? Is he still here on trail?

https://twitter.com/chas_battery/status/1337864893354094596?s=21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpENB3XW8AA_42G?format=jpg&name=medium
It looks like him for sure. I think I read somewhere that him and the lads from Charleston had to self isolate before joining in training, so I wonder when they actually started training

Vault Boy
13-12-2020, 02:04 PM
It looks like him for sure. I think I read somewhere that him and the lads from Charleston had to self isolate before joining in training, so I wonder when they actually started training

27th November for Archer I believe

Iggy Pope
13-12-2020, 02:35 PM
The boy band thing was a bit of a sensationalist headline at the time of his appointment.....Lennon was referring more to the team over the years, particularly under Mowbray when we would beat Celtic one week and then lose to Motherwell the next. He actually praised Stubbs team for showing great character to win the cup after losing to Falkirk.

Mowbray said as much himself. He used to go on about them coming in and bouncing about with blond spiky haircuts one after the other. He wasn’t wrong at the time, all of them were young boys.

hibsmad
13-12-2020, 03:01 PM
Centre midfield is about the last position we currently need.

It really isn't, and I'd suspect JR doesn't agree with you.

We need someone to protect the defence. I'm still unsure on Gogic. I like him and he can break up the opposition play but he's far from a disciplined centre mid. He goes walkabout far too often.

My one hope is that Gogic has been playing this way due to a general lack of energy in our midfield and he has been under instructions to try and bring that to the team. If Magennis can bring that energy then maybe Gogic can just sit and be the player I think we need. That's a possibility but we haven't seen anything yet to think it will happen.

Andy74
13-12-2020, 03:45 PM
It really isn't, and I'd suspect JR doesn't agree with you.

We need someone to protect the defence. I'm still unsure on Gogic. I like him and he can break up the opposition play but he's far from a disciplined centre mid. He goes walkabout far too often.

My one hope is that Gogic has been playing this way due to a general lack of energy in our midfield and he has been under instructions to try and bring that to the team. If Magennis can bring that energy then maybe Gogic can just sit and be the player I think we need. That's a possibility but we haven't seen anything yet to think it will happen.

Nah, Gogic is the guy when we need a sitting player.

Magennis is just getting up to speed and we have just about every different type of midfielder we need just now with Allan coming back too.

I doubt Ross’s view will be anywhere near yours to be honest. Magennis was the one type he thought we were missing previously. Hallberg and even McGinn are contributing when needed and Newell is probably our best player. Mallan is also kicking about.

The cover elsewhere is needed much more than another midfield player.

Suburban Hibby
13-12-2020, 03:56 PM
This nonsense comes out all the time. Ask the players if he’s a leader. When was the last time we were bullied?
Aberdeen at home?

hibsmad
13-12-2020, 04:27 PM
Nah, Gogic is the guy when we need a sitting player.

Magennis is just getting up to speed and we have just about every different type of midfielder we need just now with Allan coming back too.

I doubt Ross’s view will be anywhere near yours to be honest. Magennis was the one type he thought we were missing previously. Hallberg and even McGinn are contributing when needed and Newell is probably our best player. Mallan is also kicking about.

The cover elsewhere is needed much more than another midfield player.

You could be right. As I said, I'm hopeful that Gogic can be disciplined and play that role. He hasn't shown that yet though.

I just look at the two matches against Aberdeen, our biggest challengers for third. I know Gogic didn't play in one of those matches, but in both of them Aberdeen found it far to easy to play against us. We need to be harder.

CMurdoch
13-12-2020, 04:30 PM
Aberdeen at home?

They didn't get bullied, they got outplayed and squirrel sold the jerseys.

easty
13-12-2020, 04:35 PM
Not sure of the position but we need a real leader on the pitch. For all Paul Hanlon brings on the pitch he isn't a leader.
We need a Scott Brown,Yogi or Shinnie
type who drives us on. We still get bullied in too many games.

Drivel

Souter96Mac
13-12-2020, 04:43 PM
Priorities for me would be bringing in another CB and striker, preferably just a short term deal to help add depth to those positions.

We currently have 7 players who can play centre mid.The only reason I'd be looking at another centre mid is if we were preparing to lose Newell at the end of the season.

badabing67
13-12-2020, 05:42 PM
Jamie Murphy seems to be getting niggling injuries consistently now, so I hope this current one isn't serious and long term. When he is fit he brings so much to the team with his goals and creativity and is one of the best summer signings. I think it might be worth looking for backup for him for the 2nd half of the season.

Brightside
13-12-2020, 05:44 PM
You could be right. As I said, I'm hopeful that Gogic can be disciplined and play that role. He hasn't shown that yet though.

I just look at the two matches against Aberdeen, our biggest challengers for third. I know Gogic didn't play in one of those matches, but in both of them Aberdeen found it far to easy to play against us. We need to be harder.

He has when we play a 3 in midfield. You cant be a proper CDM in a midfield 2..... Newell or whoever would get battered if Gogic just sat in.

Vault Boy
13-12-2020, 05:55 PM
Jamie Murphy seems to be getting niggling injuries consistently now, so I hope this current one isn't serious and long term. When he is fit he brings so much to the team with his goals and creativity and is one of the best summer signings. I think it might be worth looking for backup for him for the 2nd half of the season.

I agree with you. I somewhat doubt we have the budget to support this idea, but I'd be pleased to see it. Fingers crossed Murphy can just get himself back to fitness and keep it that way, that's certainly the best solution. Drey Wright has had a few niggles too which hasn't helped in that area.

I'd also be happy to see Bradley and Gullan given more opportunities in that position, though Bradley seems to favour cutting in on his left.

mayo hibee
13-12-2020, 05:56 PM
I can't see us doing a huge amount of business in January given that we spent quite a bit by our standards during the summer and we haven't managed to get the crowds back as we might have hoped we would have by now. Realistically a cheap loan or two to give us some cover until the summer might make sense - a versatile defender and a forward who can also play out wide would be good. In terms of loans you want to get players in who can cover a few positions so that, even if they're not first pick, they get a reasonable chance to get game time and develop themselves while they're here, especially if it's younger players from bigger clubs down south that come in.

Looking longer term, if we're being honest, there's a good chance that we'll sign at least one player who has gone well for St Mirren this season, it just seems to be what we do. Anyway, I mentioned a player called Jake Doyle Hayes on the transfer thread last summer back when we were looking for a midfielder - he was linked to us in a couple of reports but it might have just been agents getting his name out there. In the end he signed at St. Mirren for a year and has been a standout for them in central midfield. It might make sense for us to take a look at him for a pre-contract for next season as he is the right age profile, could have a sell on value in the future and has shown he can do it in this league. Looks like a potential upgrade on Hallberg at the very least and would be available for free.

This thread on the St Mirren forum is a good read in terms of them going from not knowing who he is to being really impressed by him to a sense of resignation that he'll be at Hibs next year in the space of two pages:


https://www.blackandwhitearmy.com/forums/index.php?/topic/51065-welcome-jake-doyle-hayes/

Oscar T Grouch
13-12-2020, 06:32 PM
What’s the story with Robert going to Airdrie?

Story below, escaping his da’s shadow.

Http://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/amp/football/54423072

hibsmad
13-12-2020, 08:07 PM
He has when we play a 3 in midfield. You cant be a proper CDM in a midfield 2..... Newell or whoever would get battered if Gogic just sat in.

I've said quite a few times now, we need someone who can be disciplined. If we are playing with Newell, Boyle and Murphy for example then we need someone who is not going to get caught out of position as much as Gogic has to play alongside them. In a midfield 3, yes, I'm talking about a player could just sit. However he still needs to be smarter when playing in a 2. Too often he goes flying into a challenge, or attempts to intercept and doesn't make it, or decides its time to try and run past a few players. Often leaving us wide open.

Unseen work
13-12-2020, 09:52 PM
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/ross-stewart-targeted-aberdeen-derek-23162242.amp

McInnes looking to sign Ross Stewart and Allan Campbell, 300k required for the latter.

Both previously linked with us and who I imagine Ross still wants, it will be interesting to see how it develops.

A strong December and us being in a good position in January will be very important for tempting others to join.

LeithMike
13-12-2020, 09:57 PM
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/ross-stewart-targeted-aberdeen-derek-23162242.amp

McInnes looking to sign Ross Stewart and Allan Campbell, 300k required for the latter.

Both previously linked with us and who I imagine Ross still wants, it will be interesting to see how it develops.

A strong December and us being in a good position in January will be very important for tempting others to join.Interesting that Aberdeen might have to wait until the summer. If Hibs can dig up some money in January then it would be great to being in Campbell on a long-term deal.

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bingo70
13-12-2020, 10:02 PM
Hibs just retweeted a tweet from Charleston Battery about Leland Archer. Is the blonde haired player behind him in the pic Thomas Roberts? Is he still here on trail?

https://twitter.com/chas_battery/status/1337864893354094596?s=21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpENB3XW8AA_42G?format=jpg&name=medium

Did anyone listen to this?

Wondered if Archer gave any indication if there’s a chance he’ll sign or not?

Unseen work
13-12-2020, 10:03 PM
Interesting that Aberdeen might have to wait until the summer. If Hibs can dig up some money in January then it would be great to being in Campbell on a long-term deal.

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It says that they’d be able to make cash bids in January even if they don’t sell anyone, so that probably rules us out.

Campbell is the one I really want us to get, a great player and the exact type were missing. He would help take us to the next level imo and still only 22 or so, plenty of resale value.

Stewart is a decent enough player but his goal scoring record isn’t the best, not sure I see us paying the amount required as he’d likely be third choice behind Doidge and Nisbet.

He’s mainly been playing off the left/right this season though I think which maybe explains his goal return and why were interested as he’s versatile.

Heisenberg
13-12-2020, 10:14 PM
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/ross-stewart-targeted-aberdeen-derek-23162242.amp

McInnes looking to sign Ross Stewart and Allan Campbell, 300k required for the latter.

Both previously linked with us and who I imagine Ross still wants, it will be interesting to see how it develops.

A strong December and us being in a good position in January will be very important for tempting others to join.

A midfield three of Campbell, McCrorie and Ferguson would be very strong for this level. Hopefully they don’t get him. Can’t see us going for him after bringing in Magennis.

04Sauzee
13-12-2020, 10:15 PM
Did anyone listen to this?

Wondered if Archer gave any indication if there’s a chance he’ll sign or not?

There was no transfer chat at all.

The Modfather
13-12-2020, 10:17 PM
A midfield three of Campbell, McCrorie and Ferguson would be very strong for this level. Hopefully they don’t get him. Can’t see us going for him after bringing in Magennis.

It would be a sobering comparison to any 3 from Gogic/Newell/Mallan/Hallberg/Allan. If he will stay in Scotland it’s one we simply have to beat Aberdeen to however we manage it.

Wages are the real stumbling block for Campbell IMO, but wonder if Motherwell would accept Hallberg and Mallan, instead of cash, in January.

Andy74
13-12-2020, 10:26 PM
It would be a sobering comparison to any 3 from Gogic/Newell/Mallan/Hallberg/Allan. If he will stay in Scotland it’s one we simply have to beat Aberdeen to however we manage it.

Wages are the real stumbling block for Campbell IMO, but wonder if Motherwell would accept Hallberg and Mallan, instead of cash, in January.

Not really sobering at all.

Newell, Magennis, Allan, Gogic compare well with anything the Aberdeen midfield have. We are still above them and we haven’t really had the benefit of Allan and Magennis yet.

We also have different strengths and don’t have to rely on just a midfield.

CMurdoch
13-12-2020, 10:32 PM
It would be a sobering comparison to any 3 from Gogic/Newell/Mallan/Hallberg/Allan. If he will stay in Scotland it’s one we simply have to beat Aberdeen to however we manage it.

Wages are the real stumbling block for Campbell IMO, but wonder if Motherwell would accept Hallberg and Mallan, instead of cash, in January.

Campbell's ambition could be the stumbling block and the fact he could get a nice wedge of a signing on fee from an English Championship team in the summer

The Modfather
13-12-2020, 10:34 PM
Not really sobering at all.

Newell, Magennis, Allan, Gogic compare well with anything the Aberdeen midfield have. We are still above them and we haven’t really had the benefit of Allan and Magennis yet.

We also have different strengths and don’t have to rely on just a midfield.

I’d choose a 3 of McCrorie, Ferguson & Campbell over any combination of 3 of our midfielders (I’ll exclude Magennis from that as we don’t know much about him yet). Which doesn’t make all/any of our midfielders poor. I just think Ferguson, McCrorie & Campbell would all give you a bit if everything and also all make you a lot of money in the future. I think our midfielders aren’t anywhere near as rounded and we won’t make big money from any of them.

You’re unlikely to agree, and that’s fine.

CMurdoch
13-12-2020, 10:39 PM
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/ross-stewart-targeted-aberdeen-derek-23162242.amp

McInnes looking to sign Ross Stewart and Allan Campbell, 300k required for the latter.

Both previously linked with us and who I imagine Ross still wants, it will be interesting to see how it develops.

A strong December and us being in a good position in January will be very important for tempting others to join.

McInnes says nothing about signing Stewart or Campbell in that journalistic piece of fluff. The Daily Ranger planted that in your head.

What McInnes says in said drivel publication piece is as follows:

The Aberdeen boss said: “We can’t stress the
importance of having a good December because on the back of that it should allow us to make necessary changes in January.
“Yes, we will be looking at free transfers and loans.
“Players will also need to go out

davhibby
13-12-2020, 10:59 PM
It says that they’d be able to make cash bids in January even if they don’t sell anyone, so that probably rules us out.

Campbell is the one I really want us to get, a great player and the exact type were missing. He would help take us to the next level imo and still only 22 or so, plenty of resale value.

Stewart is a decent enough player but his goal scoring record isn’t the best, not sure I see us paying the amount required as he’d likely be third choice behind Doidge and Nisbet.

He’s mainly been playing off the left/right this season though I think which maybe explains his goal return and why were interested as he’s versatile.

It does say they could do that in the article, then a few paragraphs down McInnes is quoted as saying they’ll be looking at frees and loans and they’ll need to let people go to facilitate that. So who knows.

I’d love us to get Campbell, Stewart would be a good addition and would mean we’d have 3 very different strikers to pick from

easty
14-12-2020, 06:31 AM
It would be a sobering comparison to any 3 from Gogic/Newell/Mallan/Hallberg/Allan. If he will stay in Scotland it’s one we simply have to beat Aberdeen to however we manage it.

Wages are the real stumbling block for Campbell IMO, but wonder if Motherwell would accept Hallberg and Mallan, instead of cash, in January.

It’d be a strong midfield but I’d still rather have our defence and our strikers, than theirs.

SHODAN
14-12-2020, 07:16 AM
300k is more than fine, let's go for it.

Greenbeard
14-12-2020, 07:29 AM
It would be a sobering comparison to any 3 from Gogic/Newell/Mallan/Hallberg/Allan. If he will stay in Scotland it’s one we simply have to beat Aberdeen to however we manage it.

Wages are the real stumbling block for Campbell IMO, but wonder if Motherwell would accept Hallberg and Mallan, instead of cash, in January.
I just don't get all the hullabaloo about us needing to get Campbell. I think Turnbull helped make him look good. Ok I don't watch 90mins of every Well game but from what I have seen since Turnbull left, Campbell hasn't shown me that he would be a significant upgrade to our midfield. In terms of overall value to the squad equation Campbell= Hallberg+Mallan? Nah, not on the current evidence.
If we are to bring in another CM he should be a significant upgrade on what we already have. No point splashing the cash by offloading a player (or players) who rates an average of 6 per game just to bring in a 6.5.
All the above is assuming Newell stays. If he does not sign an extension then we will def need to invest.

calumhibee1
14-12-2020, 09:04 AM
I’d choose a 3 of McCrorie, Ferguson & Campbell over any combination of 3 of our midfielders (I’ll exclude Magennis from that as we don’t know much about him yet). Which doesn’t make all/any of our midfielders poor. I just think Ferguson, McCrorie & Campbell would all give you a bit if everything and also all make you a lot of money in the future. I think our midfielders aren’t anywhere near as rounded and we won’t make big money from any of them.

You’re unlikely to agree, and that’s fine.

Never mind choosing them as a 3. Other than Allan I’d choose all 3 of them individually ahead of ours. They’re all very good players. Put them together and you’d have the best midfield outside the OF by a mile imo.

flash
14-12-2020, 09:13 AM
Never mind choosing them as a 3. Other than Allan I’d choose all 3 of them individually ahead of ours. They’re all very good players. Put them together and you’d have the best midfield outside the OF by a mile imo.
I think you undervalue Joe Newall. In his current form he has to be one of the best in the division.

Jones28
14-12-2020, 09:20 AM
We must push the boat out for Campbell. Other signings can wait until the summer; we have a solid defence with cover in all areas; good players in the wide areas; a duo of strikers who are scoring with JG as back up.

A team of:


Marciano
McGinn Porto Hanlon Mackie (et al)
Gogic Campbell
Allan
Boyle Doidge Nesbit

That gives me the fizz.

Replace Gogic with JN for games against diddy teams, or drop Boyle back to RM, Murphy or Wright wide left with Campbell and AN Other in the middle and its a really strong squad to choose from.

Aberdeen will no doubt be after him, despite what they say in the press.

Northernhibee
14-12-2020, 09:23 AM
We must push the boat out for Campbell. Other signings can wait until the summer; we have a solid defence with cover in all areas; good players in the wide areas; a duo of strikers who are scoring with JG as back up.

A team of:


Marciano
McGinn Porto Hanlon Mackie (et al)
Gogic Campbell
Allan
Boyle Doidge Nesbit

That gives me the fizz.

In a year of a pandemic we’ve already pushed the boat out for Nisbet and Macgennis.

It’s a position we’re well covered in. If we can get him on a pre contract and sensible wages yes but we don’t need Allan Campbell before the season ends.

Jones28
14-12-2020, 09:25 AM
In a year of a pandemic we’ve already pushed the boat out for Nisbet and Macgennis.

It’s a position we’re well covered in. If we can get him on a pre contract and sensible wages yes but we don’t need Allan Campbell before the season ends.

We do if it means he goes to Aberdeen instead, they bent over backwards to Rangers but the upshot is they signed a great player and we missed out.

flash
14-12-2020, 09:27 AM
We must push the boat out for Campbell. Other signings can wait until the summer; we have a solid defence with cover in all areas; good players in the wide areas; a duo of strikers who are scoring with JG as back up.

A team of:


Marciano
McGinn Porto Hanlon Mackie (et al)
Gogic Campbell
Allan
Boyle Doidge Nesbit

That gives me the fizz.

Replace Gogic with JN for games against diddy teams, or drop Boyle back to RM, Murphy or Wright wide left with Campbell and AN Other in the middle and its a really strong squad to choose from.

Aberdeen will no doubt be after him, despite what they say in the press.

Joe Newall walked all over Campbell last week.

MrRobot
14-12-2020, 09:27 AM
It would be a sobering comparison to any 3 from Gogic/Newell/Mallan/Hallberg/Allan. If he will stay in Scotland it’s one we simply have to beat Aberdeen to however we manage it.

Wages are the real stumbling block for Campbell IMO, but wonder if Motherwell would accept Hallberg and Mallan, instead of cash, in January.

I’d keep Hallberg, think he is really underrated and the last couple games have shown that. Plus offering 2 players to sign 1 doesn’t seem very sensible when it comes to squad depth.

Mallan i wouldn’t be so bothered about, he had a great first season but has shown very little since unfortunately.

Northernhibee
14-12-2020, 09:30 AM
We do if it means he goes to Aberdeen instead, they bent over backwards to Rangers but the upshot is they signed a great player and we missed out.

We don’t, our central midfield is fine and well covered just now.

The Spaceman
14-12-2020, 09:40 AM
Really don’t understand why people assume we would just shelve Joe Newell. The guy is a class act and more than good enough for the standard we require.

Lago
14-12-2020, 09:42 AM
Can't see the boat being pushed out for anyone to be honest.

flash
14-12-2020, 09:43 AM
Really don’t understand why people assume we would just shelve Joe Newell. The guy is a class act and more than good enough for the standard we require.

It's strange how folk slate our midfielders and are desperate to replace them, often with players who have not shone against our midfield!

Northernhibee
14-12-2020, 09:43 AM
Really don’t understand why people assume we would just shelve Joe Newell. The guy is a class act and more than good enough for the standard we require.

Whittaker last season, Hallberg and Gogic this season all had their best games alongside him, that’s no coincidence.

The Modfather
14-12-2020, 09:45 AM
I’d keep Hallberg, think he is really underrated and the last couple games have shown that. Plus offering 2 players to sign 1 doesn’t seem very sensible when it comes to squad depth.

Mallan i wouldn’t be so bothered about, he had a great first season but has shown very little since unfortunately.

Hallberg is in good form now and is deserving of his place, but he’s still got it all to prove in terms of whether he can be a consistent starter. He may be in the process of doing that now and come the end of the season folk (myself included) will view him more than a squad player. As it stands now though Campbell has been a consistent standout in the same timeframe Hallberg has been here. If we had to make some sacrifices to ensure we could get Campbell I’m all for it as in normal circumstances he’s a player out of our price range.

500miles
14-12-2020, 10:49 AM
Joe Newall walked all over Campbell last week.

Did campbell not end up getting moved to fullback , which handed us the middle of the park?

JimBHibees
14-12-2020, 10:51 AM
Got to be said not sure I get the hype about Campbell decent enough player and was good in the game at ER however Turnbull is a huge loss for Motherwell imo and the more recent games for Scotland under 21s plus last week not sure he is better than what we have.

flash
14-12-2020, 10:56 AM
Did campbell not end up getting moved to fullback , which handed us the middle of the park?

Can't day i noticed that. Where did O'Donnell move to?

JimBHibees
14-12-2020, 11:31 AM
Did campbell not end up getting moved to fullback , which handed us the middle of the park?

Don't think so both full backs played the full game

calumhibee1
14-12-2020, 11:45 AM
I think you undervalue Joe Newall. In his current form he has to be one of the best in the division.

Don’t get me wrong, I like Newell. I’m just not sure he’s quite as good as Campbell, Ferguson or McRorie. Not a lot in it, but I think the 3 of them are better.

ancient hibee
14-12-2020, 11:51 AM
Wouldn't have known Campbell was on the park last week. As so many are fond of saying about our midfield "this is a game you must turn up in". He didn't and meanwhile Motherwell are in relegation form.

flash
14-12-2020, 12:07 PM
Don’t get me wrong, I like Newell. I’m just not sure he’s quite as good as Campbell, Ferguson or McRorie. Not a lot in it, but I think the 3 of them are better.

No worries. In his current form I would have him over any of them.

jacomo
14-12-2020, 12:26 PM
Hallberg is in good form now and is deserving of his place, but he’s still got it all to prove in terms of whether he can be a consistent starter. He may be in the process of doing that now and come the end of the season folk (myself included) will view him more than a squad player. As it stands now though Campbell has been a consistent standout in the same timeframe Hallberg has been here. If we had to make some sacrifices to ensure we could get Campbell I’m all for it as in normal circumstances he’s a player out of our price range.


What about Magennis?

Surely we will give him time to get up to speed before we go shopping for another central midfielder.

The Modfather
14-12-2020, 12:34 PM
What about Magennis?

Surely we will give him time to get up to speed before we go shopping for another central midfielder.

I hope Magennis is part of the midfield answer when he’s up to speed. Magennis, Newell & Campbell could be good with Gogic for specific games and potentially Hallberg competing too.

If we wait to see how Magennis turns out Campbell might have gone elsewhere by then.

Ozyhibby
14-12-2020, 12:49 PM
I thought Campbell was very good against us last week, particularly in the first half. He is a very good young player and has a good bit of bite about him which we need. Also has a good engine in him.


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Andy74
14-12-2020, 12:54 PM
I hope Magennis is part of the midfield answer when he’s up to speed. Magennis, Newell & Campbell could be good with Gogic for specific games and potentially Hallberg competing too.

If we wait to see how Magennis turns out Campbell might have gone elsewhere by then.

We’ve been after Magennis for years and he’s on a long contract.

If we are after Campbell then we will go for it if we can, I’m sure. It will be totally unrelated to how up to speed Magennis may or may not be.

The Modfather
14-12-2020, 01:01 PM
We’ve been after Magennis for years and he’s on a long contract.

If we are after Campbell then we will go for it if we can, I’m sure. It will be totally unrelated to how up to speed Magennis may or may not be.

I agree. I replied to a poster asking if we should give Magennis a chance first before signing another midfielder. I wouldn’t view Campbell as a replacement for Magennis but rather someone to compliment him and Newell.

Unseen work
14-12-2020, 01:01 PM
Campbell is head and shoulders above Hallberg and Mallan imo.

We are saying in midfield we are fine based on the last 2 weeks or so but that’s been one of the main things that people have moaned about this season, 2 games doesn’t change that for me.

Campbell is the type that doesn’t give opponents respect and makes life very difficult for them, which is something I don’t think we do.

Re Magennis, I found it odd he came on as the attacking midfielder on Saturday with Mallan and McGinn behind him. I’m not really too sure what he’s going to be like but hopefully he’s good.

Jones28
14-12-2020, 01:11 PM
We don’t, our central midfield is fine and well covered just now.

2 good games doesn't make it well covered, it's been a long time coming.

Can't believe people are turning their noses up at one of Scotlands promising young players.

Andy74
14-12-2020, 01:18 PM
Campbell is head and shoulders above Hallberg and Mallan imo.

We are saying in midfield we are fine based on the last 2 weeks or so but that’s been one of the main things that people have moaned about this season, 2 games doesn’t change that for me.

Campbell is the type that doesn’t give opponents respect and makes life very difficult for them, which is something I don’t think we do.

Re Magennis, I found it odd he came on as the attacking midfielder on Saturday with Mallan and McGinn behind him. I’m not really too sure what he’s going to be like but hopefully he’s good.

Just because people have been moaning about the fact we didn’t have a midfield that does not mean it was true.

We didn’t get to our league position just based on the last few weeks. I think it just happens that all those players we have said we have and that were capable are becoming available and have had more time playing.

I’d take Campbell to add to the squad, no problem, but it doesn’t means we desperately need him or anyone else in there just now.

Brightside
14-12-2020, 01:26 PM
Campbell is head and shoulders above Hallberg and Mallan imo.

We are saying in midfield we are fine based on the last 2 weeks or so but that’s been one of the main things that people have moaned about this season, 2 games doesn’t change that for me.

Campbell is the type that doesn’t give opponents respect and makes life very difficult for them, which is something I don’t think we do.

Re Magennis, I found it odd he came on as the attacking midfielder on Saturday with Mallan and McGinn behind him. I’m not really too sure what he’s going to be like but hopefully he’s good.

Magennis is the closest thing to an SJM type in teh way he can potentially be used. He needs time though. Someone robust like Cambell with a Newall, Allan type getting a free role would be cracking imo.

Northernhibee
14-12-2020, 02:03 PM
Just because people have been moaning about the fact we didn’t have a midfield that does not mean it was true.

We didn’t get to our league position just based on the last few weeks. I think it just happens that all those players we have said we have and that were capable are becoming available and have had more time playing.

I’d take Campbell to add to the squad, no problem, but it doesn’t means we desperately need him or anyone else in there just now.

The ridiculous squad size that Hearts had was a big factor in their relegation last year. None of their players looked fit or well coached.

brog
14-12-2020, 03:23 PM
Before last summer everyone was talking about Gogic in much the same way as we're now talking about Campbell. Now Gogic will struggle to get back into the team. I'm sure Campbell would be a good addition for us but I don't see him as a necessity. We've just scored 7 unanswered goals in the last 1.5 games without a ball winning midfield player in sight. I'm also not sure why Sheep would want him, didnt they shell out a decent amount for a star called Ojo?

Ozyhibby
14-12-2020, 03:31 PM
Before last summer everyone was talking about Gogic in much the same way as we're now talking about Campbell. Now Gogic will struggle to get back into the team. I'm sure Campbell would be a good addition for us but I don't see him as a necessity. We've just scored 7 unanswered goals in the last 1.5 games without a ball winning midfield player in sight. I'm also not sure why Sheep would want him, didnt they shell out a decent amount for a star called Ojo?

Did you see our midfield v Aberdeen?


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MWHIBBIES
14-12-2020, 03:31 PM
Did you see our midfield v Aberdeen?


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Massive sample size

Ozyhibby
14-12-2020, 03:36 PM
Massive sample size

Or Hearts?
This year top 4 is assured. The rest of the league is very weak due to the financial hit the league has taken. We have enough to beat all those teams as we are but if we want to challenge Aberdeen then we need better. Two games v Aberdeen and 1 v Hearts we have been found badly wanting.


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Stuart93
14-12-2020, 03:42 PM
Or Hearts?
This year top 4 is assured. The rest of the league is very weak due to the financial hit the league has taken. We have enough to beat all those teams as we are but if we want to challenge Aberdeen then we need better. Two games v Aberdeen and 1 v Hearts we have been found badly wanting.


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I agree to an extent.

But if you look at the current league table surely you could argue we are challenging Aberdeen this season?

Torto7
14-12-2020, 03:49 PM
I'm not overly bothered about Campbell. I'd have him if he was affordable but wouldn't make him amongst our higher paid players. He's good at pressing but lacks passing ability and spatial awareness. The under 21's play him off Hornby where he can do a job in a defensive set up. The idea of him and Gogic would be awful. No playmaking at all. I do like the look of the young St Mirren lad though Doyle-Hayes. He's a tidy footballer. I've been impressed with Pinnock at Killie as well. He's a hell of an athlete and has a sweet left peg. He's one to watch as well.

MWHIBBIES
14-12-2020, 03:59 PM
Or Hearts?
This year top 4 is assured. The rest of the league is very weak due to the financial hit the league has taken. We have enough to beat all those teams as we are but if we want to challenge Aberdeen then we need better. Two games v Aberdeen and 1 v Hearts we have been found badly wanting.


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Rangers at home? Celtic at home? The mighty Motherwell, home of solution too all problems Allan Campbell, last week?

''if we want to challenge Aberdeen''? Same Aberdeen we are currently ahead of? We are quite clearly challenging them already IMO.

brog
14-12-2020, 04:04 PM
[QUOTE=Ozyhibby;6381591]Did you see our midfield v Aberdeen?


Yes I did. However I also saw us destroy Aberdeen at ER the previous season when we had a very similar midfield to this season's game. It's not necessarily who you pick but how you deploy them. I just posted on another thread that having Hallberg looking to go forward rather than sideways or backwards changes his game & our overall approach. In the last 2 games we have moved the ball through midfield much more quickly than we do when Gogic is playing.

Andy74
14-12-2020, 04:39 PM
Or Hearts?
This year top 4 is assured. The rest of the league is very weak due to the financial hit the league has taken. We have enough to beat all those teams as we are but if we want to challenge Aberdeen then we need better. Two games v Aberdeen and 1 v Hearts we have been found badly wanting.


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I wouldn’t have said our midfield was a huge issue in any of those games.

And as others have pointed out, we are challenging pretty well. We’ve really still to see the benefits of Magennis and Allan too.

Alex Trager
14-12-2020, 05:57 PM
I’d absolutely be making big moves for Campbell.

He has lots of energy about him. I don’t see why we couldn’t have Campbell and Macgennis in the same midfield?

badabing67
14-12-2020, 06:19 PM
It would be a sobering comparison to any 3 from Gogic/Newell/Mallan/Hallberg/Allan. If he will stay in Scotland it’s one we simply have to beat Aberdeen to however we manage it.

Wages are the real stumbling block for Campbell IMO, but wonder if Motherwell would accept Hallberg and Mallan, instead of cash, in January.

Are you sure that is the answer. if the club wants to compete at the level of ambition that it has stated. As far as I'm aware that is competing for a regular top 3-4 position in the league for European qualification, as well being competitive in all domestic cup competitions. I think we need to increase the size and strength of the squad. Obviously this is an unprecedented season and as Jack Ross has said the squad is smaller and more tight knit. But to achieve the clubs ambitions we are going to need more strength ad depth in the squad. So we are going to have to do that but obviously circumstances as to play apart. I know Hallberg and Mallan are not everyone's cup of tea but I still think they both have something to offer. they are reasonably young and I still think they both have improvement and development in them. I think it is a bit soon to let them go and i prefer the pair of them to say Stephen McGinn or Tom James for the long term. If you see what i mean

truehibernian
14-12-2020, 07:13 PM
Can you loan two players from the same club this season :whistle: got a text today saying we are keen on taking Jordan Jones (ex Killie) on loan. Read online he is serving a ban until start of January. Haven't seem him linked anywhere but he played in the 4-4 bounce game recently (and scored).

1875Sean
14-12-2020, 07:16 PM
Can you loan two players from the same club this season :whistle: got a text today saying we are keen on taking Jordan Jones (ex Killie) on loan. Read online he is serving a ban until start of January. Haven't seem him linked anywhere but he played in the 4-4 bounce game recently (and scored).

Hope that’s untrue, wouldn’t take him plus I can’t see him playing ahead of Boyle or Murphy

truehibernian
14-12-2020, 07:18 PM
Hope that’s untrue, wouldn’t take him plus I can’t see him playing ahead of Boyle or Murphy

Only passing it on bud. I'd prefer a centre half as cover if honest, but we do need something at the top end of the pitch too. Not sure how accurate the texter is either.

Eyrie
14-12-2020, 07:40 PM
I’d absolutely be making big moves for Campbell.

He has lots of energy about him. I don’t see why we couldn’t have Campbell and Macgennis in the same midfield?

Add Allan to that midfield, and it would be better than anything outwith the Ugly Sisters.

mayo hibee
14-12-2020, 07:42 PM
Yes you can have two on loan from the same club at once and up to six in total. I'd say a lot of clubs will be taking advantage of this in January, ourselves included.

badabing67
14-12-2020, 08:19 PM
Hope that’s untrue, wouldn’t take him plus I can’t see him playing ahead of Boyle or Murphy

That's the crux though Jamie Murphy has not had a consistent run of games the whole season he is a big miss when he's out, therefore it would be shrewd to get cover for him till we see where we are with his fitness. Think Killie would be 1st in line though if he was to go out on lone. Just an opinion

Unseen work
14-12-2020, 08:31 PM
Would love for us to get Jordan Jones, very good player at this level imo.

Him and Boyle on either would would be a brilliant watch.

Im a big fan of Murphy but he seems quite injury prone and Jones has the pace to scare teams.

calumhibee1
14-12-2020, 08:37 PM
Would love for us to get Jordan Jones, very good player at this level imo.

Him and Boyle on either would would be a brilliant watch.

Im a big fan of Murphy but he seems quite injury prone and Jones has the pace to scare teams.

Likewise. Would be a great signing.

04Sauzee
14-12-2020, 09:36 PM
An update of sorts regarding the boys we have over from the states. Not sure it tells us much though.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hibs-transfer-update-jack-ross-19458707

CMurdoch
15-12-2020, 12:27 AM
Or Hearts?
This year top 4 is assured. The rest of the league is very weak due to the financial hit the league has taken. We have enough to beat all those teams as we are but if we want to challenge Aberdeen then we need better. Two games v Aberdeen and 1 v Hearts we have been found badly wanting.


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Weren't found wanting in midfield against Hearts.
That one was down to not taking our chances which has happened to much better teams than Hibs.

Ozyhibby
15-12-2020, 03:26 AM
Weren't found wanting in midfield against Hearts.
That one was down to not taking our chances which has happened to much better teams than Hibs.

In my opinion we were. We were never in control of the game which gave Hearts a punchers chance and they took it.


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JimBHibees
15-12-2020, 05:52 AM
In my opinion we were. We were never in control of the game which gave Hearts a punchers chance and they took it.


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I think that was only the case when they put their better players on as subs however Hibs butchered so many opportunities in that game we should have clearly won, that is of course not allowing for beibg denied the opportunity to win the game from 12 yards by the incompetence of the officials.

Andy74
15-12-2020, 07:56 AM
I see in the gossip Column this morning a reference to Aberdeen having paid £850k last year for that Ronald Hernandez. Don't think I was aware at the time they had spent that type of cash on a player recently. He's played 3 times for that money.

Also, he was identified for them by Atlanta United! Nice, expensive start to that relationship.

Souter96Mac
15-12-2020, 08:00 AM
I see in the gossip Column thus morning a reference to Aberdeen having paid £850k last year for that Ronald Hernandez. Don't think I was aware at the time they had spent that type of cash on a player recently. He's played 3 times for that money.

Was he not transferred from the club they have an affiliate to over in the States?

Andy74
15-12-2020, 08:02 AM
Was he not transferred from the club they have an affiliate to over in the States?

Just added an edit - Atlanta helped them identify him but he was signed by Aberdeen from a Norwegian team.

The 90+2
15-12-2020, 09:07 AM
Just added an edit - Atlanta helped them identify him but he was signed by Aberdeen from a Norwegian team.

Aberdeen pain nothing for him. Good work if you can get it.

Brightside
15-12-2020, 10:04 AM
Aberdeen pain nothing for him. Good work if you can get it.

Eh? I thought they paid 800k

Andy74
15-12-2020, 10:46 AM
Aberdeen pain nothing for him. Good work if you can get it.

They did and they were taking yesterday about how they were hopeful of recouping it.

badabing67
15-12-2020, 12:03 PM
An update of sorts regarding the boys we have over from the states. Not sure it tells us much though.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hibs-transfer-update-jack-ross-19458707


Genuinely hope at least one if not all of them can step up and make the grade. I don't think they would have come if there was not a realistic possibility. It real would be a positive start to the partnership. Also good if some of our young guys get over there in the summer for competitive games for the build up to next season.

Brightside
15-12-2020, 12:10 PM
Genuinely hope at least one if not all of them can step up and make the grade. I don't think they would have come if there was not a realistic possibility. It real would be a positive start to the partnership. Also good if some of our young guys get over there in the summer for competitive games for the build up to next season.

I dont think there is any possibility.

chippy
15-12-2020, 01:23 PM
I dont think there is any possibility.

You know this ?

AZhibee
15-12-2020, 01:59 PM
Be more worried re Celtic making a move for our keeper

😬

badabing67
15-12-2020, 03:40 PM
I dont think there is any possibility.

Then what is the point of the partnership. Jack Ross has has spoken positively about them so far. Thomas Roberts has had a trial at Bayern and is also a USA under 21 international so he must have something. I don't understand how you can dismiss them unless of course you know something or seen them play

Unseen work
15-12-2020, 03:46 PM
Leland Archer looks an absolute machine, certainly looks like he has the physical requirements for the Scottish premiership.

Whether he can defend is another story.

bingo70
15-12-2020, 04:01 PM
Leland Archer looks an absolute machine, certainly looks like he has the physical requirements for the Scottish premiership.

Whether he can defend is another story.

Always thought it a bit too big a jump in standard for him to make it here, would he even get a work permit anyway?

It was the other American trialist that is at the MLS club that I thought may have a better chance of a deal. Be interesting to see how he got on, although presumably he might face the same challenges with getting a work permit?

Andy74
15-12-2020, 04:31 PM
Then what is the point of the partnership. Jack Ross has has spoken positively about them so far. Thomas Roberts has had a trial at Bayern and is also a USA under 21 international so he must have something. I don't understand how you can dismiss them unless of course you know something or seen them play

The point is that is a long term thing which should hopefully have some benefits.

That doesn’t mean it was ever likely that they had some ready made Hibs players ready straight away to send on to us.

I’d suspect that it will have been a good experience all round but that they are probably short of the quality we are looking for just now.

CallumLaidlaw
15-12-2020, 04:37 PM
Leland Archer looks an absolute machine, certainly looks like he has the physical requirements for the Scottish premiership.

Whether he can defend is another story.

This makes me think of David Stephens. Looked every bit the athletic modern centre half..... just couldn’t play like one


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Unseen work
15-12-2020, 09:20 PM
Tonight performance is the exact reason we need to sign guys like Alan Campbell.

Hallberg has his good performances now and again but Campbell is consistent and will help dominate games like today with his energy and aggression.

leithsansiro
15-12-2020, 09:28 PM
This makes me think of David Stephens. Looked every bit the athletic modern centre half..... just couldn’t play like one


Uuurgh! I remember telling my mate that Stephens looked good and that he was going to be a good player for us. Didn’t entirely work out as predicted...

Scooter
15-12-2020, 09:53 PM
Tonight performance is the exact reason we need to sign guys like Alan Campbell.

Hallberg has his good performances now and again but Campbell is consistent and will help dominate games like today with his energy and aggression.

Think it also showed how we need another striker

Northernhibee
15-12-2020, 09:55 PM
Think it also showed how we need another striker

A striker and a CB for me. I don’t like the thought of playing Daz on plastic pitches so we could do with a rotation option and I’d like a pacey striker.

Onceinawhile
15-12-2020, 09:56 PM
A striker and a CB for me. I don’t like the thought of playing Daz on plastic pitches so we could do with a rotation option and I’d like a pacey striker.

Defo a striker and a centre back.

Preferably starters, but I can't imagine the budget stretches.

Eyrie
15-12-2020, 10:01 PM
The need for another striker was highlighted by tonight's bench where we didn't have one available.

HoboHarry
15-12-2020, 10:05 PM
Think it also showed how we need another striker
We are just off the back of 7 goals in the last two games no?

CMurdoch
15-12-2020, 10:07 PM
The need for another striker was highlighted by tonight's bench where we didn't have one available.

I would say that other than the 2 subs we brought on we had nothing of note on the bench tonight to improve things.
Shows how thin our squad is with 5 injured/unavailable players (Nisbet, Murphy, Gogic, Mackie & Allan).

Scooter
15-12-2020, 10:09 PM
We are just off the back of 7 goals in the last two games no?

How did it go with Kevin Nisbet our tonight. Gullan isnt there yet and we didnt have a striker in the bench

one day maybe...
15-12-2020, 10:18 PM
Should be chasing Ross Stewart from Ross County and Alistair McCann from St Johnstone. Those are the sot of players that are hungry and looking to progress

04Sauzee
15-12-2020, 10:26 PM
Should be chasing Ross Stewart from Ross County and Alistair McCann from St Johnstone. Those are the sot of players that are hungry and looking to progress

McCann has been capped for N IrelNd recently and has a contract until 2003. Hibs won't be signing him anytime soon.

Callum_62
15-12-2020, 10:30 PM
McCann has been capped for N IrelNd recently and has a contract until 2003. Hibs won't be signing him anytime soon.Cannie belive he's getting capped when hes been out of contract for 17 years

What's has happened to NI?

Disgrace.

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keep the faith
15-12-2020, 10:31 PM
I think our squad is very good and I think even tonight showed we still have subs to change the game. Gogic, Allan, Murphy and Nisbet are still to return, so we need to be careful we dont make things too bloated. Its clear to see how much game time is improving players like halberg and McGuinnes, so for me I would be sensible about more spend at this time of pandemic and let this team develop and grow.
It's a tight squad with clearly a great team spirit and I'm excited about how far we can go.

Andy74
15-12-2020, 10:32 PM
Tonight performance is the exact reason we need to sign guys like Alan Campbell.

Hallberg has his good performances now and again but Campbell is consistent and will help dominate games like today with his energy and aggression.

Don’t know about that. I’ve not really noticed Campbell single handedly dominating any game I’ve seen him in. Did nothing against us the other week.

Alloa is a tough place to go for any team and we got through it.

one day maybe...
15-12-2020, 10:40 PM
McCann has been capped for N IrelNd recently and has a contract until 2003. Hibs won't be signing him anytime soon.

Good business by St Johnstone to get him tied up for few years then..

JohnM1875
15-12-2020, 10:43 PM
Good business by St Johnstone to get him tied up for few years then..

😂👍

04Sauzee
15-12-2020, 10:53 PM
Good business by St Johnstone to get him tied up for few years then..

Oops, it's late 😁

Alex Trager
15-12-2020, 11:16 PM
Tonight performance is the exact reason we need to sign guys like Alan Campbell.

Hallberg has his good performances now and again but Campbell is consistent and will help dominate games like today with his energy and aggression.

Agree. Campbell really must be one of the priorities

Heisenberg
16-12-2020, 05:40 AM
I’d say Kyle Magennis is the reason we won’t be going for Campbell. He was our big signing of the summer and is yet to get a proper run in the team.

BSEJVT
16-12-2020, 05:49 AM
Don’t know about that. I’ve not really noticed Campbell single handedly dominating any game I’ve seen him in. Did nothing against us the other week.

Alloa is a tough place to go for any team and we got through it.

I am with you on this one, I am yet to see anything from Campbell that would make him a must have.

For example he is in no way like say Kamara who whilst at Dundee showed up every week and was a player you thought you would want in your team.

I am a bit like that with Ali McCann who gets a lot of mentions on here too, again neither player dominates games enough for me to want to spend big bucks on them

Since452
16-12-2020, 05:51 AM
Last night showed we need a suitable replacement for Nisbet. I'd like to see someone come in on loan with Gullan going out on loan.

Cocaine&Caviar
16-12-2020, 06:19 AM
Last night showed we need a suitable replacement for Nisbet. I'd like to see someone come in on loan with Gullan going out on loan.

Jason Cummings?

mal
16-12-2020, 08:28 AM
Jason Cummings?

Cummings can't get a start for a team in the relegation zone in League One, having failed to prove himself at any level other than the Scottish Championship.

Jones28
16-12-2020, 09:04 AM
Cummings can't get a start for a team in the relegation zone in League One, having failed to prove himself at any level other than the Scottish Championship.

Hard but true, I'd still like to think we could offer him a way out and a chance at European football and improve his chances of a place in the Scotland squad.

Since90+2
16-12-2020, 09:09 AM
Last night showed we need a suitable replacement for Nisbet. I'd like to see someone come in on loan with Gullan going out on loan.

We won't get a suitable replacement for Nisbet. Our finances won't allow for that.

He's a top drawer player so anybody we can bring in is not going to be at his level. That's just part and parcel of football at our level.

calumhibee1
16-12-2020, 09:10 AM
We won't get a suitable replacement for Nisbet. Our finances won't allow for that.

He's a top drawer player so anybody we can bring in is not going to be at his level. That's just part and parcel of football at our level.

To be fair we managed to get Nisbet so it is possible.

Very, very difficult, but definitely possible.

jonny
16-12-2020, 09:10 AM
I am with you on this one, I am yet to see anything from Campbell that would make him a must have.

For example he is in no way like say Kamara who whilst at Dundee showed up every week and was a player you thought you would want in your team.

I am a bit like that with Ali McCann who gets a lot of mentions on here too, again neither player dominates games enough for me to want to spend big bucks on them

I see both players in exactly the same light. I'm not doubting they are both decent young players with potential but I really don't get the hype surrounding them. Admittedly I've only really seen them and paid attention to them when they've played against Hibs but I'm yet to see anything that would merit spending a lot of money on either.

Andy74
16-12-2020, 09:15 AM
To be fair we managed to get Nisbet so it is possible.

Very, very difficult, but definitely possible.

You've got the likes of Kabamba at Killie who is out of contract next year. Quick, a handful and scoring goals. Think we need another option up there and we are still in a good position financially compared to others.

Since90+2
16-12-2020, 09:23 AM
To be fair we managed to get Nisbet so it is possible.

Very, very difficult, but definitely possible.

Our budget won't stretch to getting another one though. He cost us hundreds of thousands of pounds in transfer fee and I'd imagine he is one of the highest earners at the club.

The club can't/won't be doing the for a forward who is going to be 2nd choice behind Kevin.

jacomo
16-12-2020, 09:23 AM
Cummings can't get a start for a team in the relegation zone in League One, having failed to prove himself at any level other than the Scottish Championship.


I’d keep Gullan instead.

04Sauzee
16-12-2020, 09:26 AM
You've got the likes of Kabamba at Killie who is out of contract next year. Quick, a handful and scoring goals. Think we need another option up there and we are still in a good position financially compared to others.
There are a number of decent and not so decent forwards in our league out of contract at the end lf this season, some i have listed below and im not saying we should be looking to snap any of them up.

Eamonn Brophy
Greg Stewart
Ross Stewart
Chris Long
Stevie May
Curtis Main
Guy Melamed
Johnathan Obika
Morios Ogbe
Nicky Clark
Nicke Kabamba

badabing67
16-12-2020, 11:22 AM
I dont think there is any possibility.


Our budget won't stretch to getting another one though. He cost us hundreds of thousands of pounds in transfer fee and I'd imagine he is one of the highest earners at the club.

The club can't/won't be doing the for a forward who is going to be 2nd choice behind Kevin.

I don't think he is one of the higher earners but should be, when he signed he knew there was was going wage deferral's and accepted lower terms than he would of got if there was not an epidemic cause he wanted to come to us. The guy is on his way to legend. Really hope when we start getting back to games and the commercial side picks up the club puts it right. He deserves it. We need to keep him happy here.

Unseen work
16-12-2020, 11:46 AM
Imo Campbell and Kamara and both very different players and will catch the eye in other ways, especially when it’s against your team.

The guys like Kamara always stand out as they try keep the ball as much as possible, show glimpses of skill and remain composed in tight situations.

Campbell and guys like him are the ones that go a bit unnoticed Imo. The ones that are very difficult to play against, pick up the loose balls, wins his 50/50s and drive the team forward with the ball.

I know a couple have said he done nothing last week against us, but bare in mind he hasn’t trained or played before hand for 10 days as he was isolating. Fwiw I also think the best spell they had was when he started winning the ball back and dominating the midfield for the last 25 minutes of the first half.

You always noticed the skilful ones first then the hard workers second watching football.

We need an Alan Campbell, who by the way is also decent on the ball.

And yes, he does pay me well for being his agent ��

Northernhibee
16-12-2020, 11:59 AM
Imo Campbell and Kamara and both very different players and will catch the eye in other ways, especially when it’s against your team.

The guys like Kamara always stand out as they try keep the ball as much as possible, show glimpses of skill and remain composed in tight situations.

Campbell and guys like him are the ones that go a bit unnoticed Imo. The ones that are very difficult to play against, pick up the loose balls, wins his 50/50s and drive the team forward with the ball.

I know a couple have said he done nothing last week against us, but bare in mind he hasn’t trained or played before hand for 10 days as he was isolating. Fwiw I also think the best spell they had was when he started winning the ball back and dominating the midfield for the last 25 minutes of the first half.

You always noticed the skilful ones first then the hard workers second watching football.

We need an Alan Campbell, who by the way is also decent on the ball.

And yes, he does pay me well for being his agent ��

The problem is that I see Macgennis as that player for us - energetic, gets the ball and drives forward. I really don’t think he’s needed with us because as soon as we get Macgennis match fit we’re laughing.

Stuart93
16-12-2020, 12:04 PM
The problem is that I see Macgennis as that player for us - energetic, gets the ball and drives forward. I really don’t think he’s needed with us because as soon as we get Macgennis match fit we’re laughing.

I’m a bit confused as to why JR seems to keep playing Magennis out wide left. I’d like to see him in his natural role

we are hibs
16-12-2020, 12:10 PM
I’m a bit confused as to why JR seems to keep playing Magennis out wide left. I’d like to see him in his natural role

I was wondering this yesterday too. I dont think ive seen a game with him central. Where did he play at st.mirren?

04Sauzee
16-12-2020, 12:12 PM
I was wondering this yesterday too. I dont think ive seen a game with him central. Where did he play at st.mirren?

Looks like most games he was played left and righf midfield, very rarely central

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kyle-magennis/leistungsdaten/spieler/399258/plus/0?saison=2019

superfurryhibby
16-12-2020, 12:23 PM
I don't think he is one of the higher earners but should be, when he signed he knew there was was going wage deferral's and accepted lower terms than he would of got if there was not an epidemic cause he wanted to come to us. The guy is on his way to legend. Really hope when we start getting back to games and the commercial side picks up the club puts it right. He deserves it. We need to keep him happy here.

Why wouldn’t he be one of our top earners? He came for a substantial fee and had interest from other clubs. I doubt very much Nisbet came to Hibs on a wage less than our other top earners ( who are? )

In terms of January. I still wonder if we will see any of our players who are out of contract in May moving on?

I can also see the likes of Gray, Gullan and maybe Doig going on loan. The latter two both need to play football to develop.

Ross will want to wheel and deal, bring in his own men and that would free up a bit of room to manoeuvre. I reckon there will be a few surprises for us come January.

Since90+2
16-12-2020, 12:29 PM
Why wouldn’t he be one of our top earners? He came for a substantial fee and had interest from other clubs. I doubt very much Nisbet came to Hibs on a wage less than our other top earners ( who are? )

In terms of January. I still wonder if we will see any of our players who are out of contract in May moving on?

I can also see the likes of Gray, Gullan and maybe Doig going on loan. The latter two both need to play football to develop.

Ross will want to wheel and deal, bring in his own men and that would free up a bit of room to manoeuvre. I reckon there will be a few surprises for us come January.

Agreed. He will be one of the higher earners at the club along with Boyle,Doidge and Newell.

superfurryhibby
16-12-2020, 12:49 PM
Agreed. He will be one of the higher earners at the club along with Boyle,Doidge and Newell.

Got to be. I would probably add Hanlon and Marciano to that list too.

Souter96Mac
16-12-2020, 01:11 PM
There are a number of decent and not so decent forwards in our league out of contract at the end lf this season, some i have listed below and im not saying we should be looking to snap any of them up.

Eamonn Brophy
Greg Stewart
Ross Stewart
Chris Long
Stevie May
Curtis Main
Guy Melamed
Johnathan Obika
Morios Ogbe
Nicky Clark
Nicke Kabamba

Could be a bit controversial, but Nicky Clark wouldn't be that bad an option as 3rd/4th choice. He's scored 7 in the league this season, 9 in all competitions. And I feel we owe him a thank you for throwing the ball away that led to that famous corner at Hampden a few years back

brog
16-12-2020, 02:34 PM
You've got the likes of Kabamba at Killie who is out of contract next year. Quick, a handful and scoring goals. Think we need another option up there and we are still in a good position financially compared to others.

I was told before Kabamba signed for Killie that he always starts with a bang but fades. That's true of him this season at Killie. 4 goals in 4 starts early season but now has only 1 penalty goal since Sept. Not knocking you, I agree your thought in principle & I was surprised by this statistic.

Alex Trager
16-12-2020, 02:39 PM
There are a number of decent and not so decent forwards in our league out of contract at the end lf this season, some i have listed below and im not saying we should be looking to snap any of them up.

Eamonn Brophy
Greg Stewart
Ross Stewart
Chris Long
Stevie May
Curtis Main
Guy Melamed
Johnathan Obika
Morios Ogbe
Nicky Clark
Nicke Kabamba

The boy Duku at Raith as well

brog
16-12-2020, 02:43 PM
I don't understand why people want Jamie Gullan to go out on loan. He's one of only 3 strikers we have & he's been out on loan for the last 3 seasons. Who would we replace him with? If Jamie had been a Raith (not loanee) player last season then this board would have been clamouring for us to sign him. He wasn't great yesterday but very few were & IMO he was way ahead of several of our starting 11. As for Campbell, I said before I would welcome him to ER but, despite last night, I still don't see him as a necessity. Before his "quiet" performance against usI last saw him for Scotland U21 when he was very poor.

Andy74
16-12-2020, 02:48 PM
I don't understand why people want Jamie Gullan to go out on loan. He's one of only 3 strikers we have & he's been out on loan for the last 3 seasons. Who would we replace him with? If Jamie had been a Raith (not loanee) player last season then this board would have been clamouring for us to sign him. He wasn't great yesterday but very few were & IMO he was way ahead of several of our starting 11. As for Campbell, I said before I would welcome him to ER but, despite last night, I still don't see him as a necessity. Before his "quiet" performance against usI last saw him for Scotland U21 when he was very poor.

I’m not sure there would have been a clamour. Had he not been on loan from us we wouldn’t have noticed someone who’d scored 10 goals in total in league one.

calumhibee1
16-12-2020, 02:53 PM
Could be a bit controversial, but Nicky Clark wouldn't be that bad an option as 3rd/4th choice. He's scored 7 in the league this season, 9 in all competitions. And I feel we owe him a thank you for throwing the ball away that led to that famous corner at Hampden a few years back

I actually thought the same. If he was happy to come in as 3rd or 4th choice then we could do worse.

Other than that, nobody on that list tickles my fancy tbh.

Blaster
16-12-2020, 03:14 PM
I don't understand why people want Jamie Gullan to go out on loan. He's one of only 3 strikers we have & he's been out on loan for the last 3 seasons. Who would we replace him with? If Jamie had been a Raith (not loanee) player last season then this board would have been clamouring for us to sign him. He wasn't great yesterday but very few were & IMO he was way ahead of several of our starting 11. As for Campbell, I said before I would welcome him to ER but, despite last night, I still don't see him as a necessity. Before his "quiet" performance against usI last saw him for Scotland U21 when he was very poor.

I don’t think any of his loans were at Championship level (but correct me if I’m wrong). I feel he could do with a January move to a Dunfermline, raith or Dundee to give him more game time at a higher level than before.

But only if we bring in another striker first

LeithMike
16-12-2020, 03:14 PM
Imo Campbell and Kamara and both very different players and will catch the eye in other ways, especially when it’s against your team.

The guys like Kamara always stand out as they try keep the ball as much as possible, show glimpses of skill and remain composed in tight situations.

Campbell and guys like him are the ones that go a bit unnoticed Imo. The ones that are very difficult to play against, pick up the loose balls, wins his 50/50s and drive the team forward with the ball.

I know a couple have said he done nothing last week against us, but bare in mind he hasn’t trained or played before hand for 10 days as he was isolating. Fwiw I also think the best spell they had was when he started winning the ball back and dominating the midfield for the last 25 minutes of the first half.

You always noticed the skilful ones first then the hard workers second watching football.

We need an Alan Campbell, who by the way is also decent on the ball.

And yes, he does pay me well for being his agent ��Agree with this. I'd definitely be doing all I can to sign Campbell. The key to winning the midfield is energy and drive and that is probably what most of our midfielders lack. I think the jury is still out on Magennis but if Magennis works out then I see no reason why Campbell and Magennis couldnt play together. I think Ross is probably looking to do that if he intends on playing two strikers and two wingers - with that type of set up you just can afford to have limited central midfielders who attack or defend only.

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Billy Whizz
16-12-2020, 03:22 PM
I don’t think any of his loans were at Championship level (but correct me if I’m wrong). I feel he could do with a January move to a Dunfermline, raith or Dundee to give him more game time at a higher level than before.

But only if we bring in another striker first

Jamie isn’t a central striker like Doidge or Nesbit, pretty similar to Jamie Murphy where he plays, and can go either way with both feet
He was shunted into a central position during the game, but I don’t think he’s overly comfortable playing there

superfurryhibby
16-12-2020, 03:22 PM
I don’t think any of his loans were at Championship level (but correct me if I’m wrong). I feel he could do with a January move to a Dunfermline, raith or Dundee to give him more game time at a higher level than before.

But only if we bring in another striker first

I think that's what I was thinking myself. There a decent step up from League 1 to Championship. Gullan needs to play, if Nisbet and Doidge stay fit then he will be used sparingly.

Blaster
16-12-2020, 03:26 PM
Jamie isn’t a central striker like Doidge or Nesbit, pretty similar to Jamie Murphy where he plays, and can go either way with both feet
He was shunted into a central position during the game, but I don’t think he’s overly comfortable playing there

Makes an argument for another striker even stronger then Billy

Billy Whizz
16-12-2020, 03:28 PM
Makes an argument for another striker even stronger then Billy

I’m not disagreeing with that, as we don’t have a natural replacement for Doidge or Nesbit
At Jamie’s age, he needs regular game time to further develop
Think he’s definitely kicked on this season though

Blaster
16-12-2020, 03:31 PM
I’m not disagreeing with that, as we don’t have a natural replacement for Doidge or Nesbit
At Jamie’s age, he needs regular game time to further develop
Think he’s definitely kicked on this season though

I agree 👍

brog
16-12-2020, 03:40 PM
I’m not sure there would have been a clamour. Had he not been on loan from us we wouldn’t have noticed someone who’d scored 10 goals in total in league one.

He scored a goal every 2 games (18 games) for Raith in a curtailed League 1 last season & played a major role in their promotion. My Raith friends spoke very highly of him. I believe we were actually looking at Daniel Armstrong, also at Raith in League 1, when we first took note of Kevin Nisbet. These days every top flight Scottish club keeps a keen eye out for lower league talent, Robert at Airdrie is a current example.

The 90+2
16-12-2020, 03:42 PM
Uuurgh! I remember telling my mate that Stephens looked good and that he was going to be a good player for us. Didn’t entirely work out as predicted...

One of the first times I seen him he got ragdolled in a friendly at Falkirk I’m sure.

brog
16-12-2020, 03:46 PM
I don’t think any of his loans were at Championship level (but correct me if I’m wrong). I feel he could do with a January move to a Dunfermline, raith or Dundee to give him more game time at a higher level than before.

But only if we bring in another striker first

I take your point but Kevin N took League 1, Championship & Premier in his stride. The main thing is though, who do we replace Jamie with? There's lots of posters shouting for Ross Stewart, he's scored one open play prem goal this season. Oli Shaw, with far less game time, has 2. Strikers are priceless, we can't let Jamie go without bringing in a better option & I'm not sure where we would find one in January.

Andy74
16-12-2020, 03:55 PM
He scored a goal every 2 games (18 games) for Raith in a curtailed League 1 last season & played a major role in their promotion. My Raith friends spoke very highly of him. I believe we were actually looking at Daniel Armstrong, also at Raith in League 1, when we first took note of Kevin Nisbet. These days every top flight Scottish club keeps a keen eye out for lower league talent, Robert at Airdrie is a current example.

All true but as fans there’s no way we would have been clamouring to sign a guy on the basis of that period for Raith. It wouldn’t have registered.

If he had those stats for a year or two then followed it up at say a Championship level then there might have been.

Don’t think most folk had clocked Nisbet until we became seriously interested.

Blaster
16-12-2020, 04:12 PM
I take your point but Kevin N took League 1, Championship & Premier in his stride. The main thing is though, who do we replace Jamie with? There's lots of posters shouting for Ross Stewart, he's scored one open play prem goal this season. Oli Shaw, with far less game time, has 2. Strikers are priceless, we can't let Jamie go without bringing in a better option & I'm not sure where we would find one in January.

I think someone earlier mentioned that Jack Ross likes kabamba from killie. I’d heard that too.

I know his scoring record isn’t great either but I think he’d be a good natural 3rd choice striker to let Gullan be an option on the left or go on loan to a championship club

brog
16-12-2020, 04:20 PM
All true but as fans there’s no way we would have been clamouring to sign a guy on the basis of that period for Raith. It wouldn’t have registered.

If he had those stats for a year or two then followed it up at say a Championship level then there might have been.

Don’t think most folk had clocked Nisbet until we became seriously interested.

I totally understand your thinking but we were genuinely looking at Daniel Armstrong after he scored 5 goals in his 1st 9 games for Raith in League 1. He went to Ross C soon after that and is now back at Raith. IIRC I posted about our interest at the time. We were watching Kevin from then on.

Since452
16-12-2020, 04:43 PM
The Nicky Clark idea might not be so bad. He had a massive role in our winning goal on 21/5/16.

Unseen work
16-12-2020, 04:44 PM
https://youtu.be/M6QRsvND57U

Easy to see why Ross would like Kabamba, would be a handful for defenders and good at linking play. A good and presumably cheap 3rd option.

Andy74
16-12-2020, 05:00 PM
https://youtu.be/M6QRsvND57U

Easy to see why Ross would like Kabamba, would be a handful for defenders and good at linking play. A good and presumably cheap 3rd option.

Yeah, he’s quick, strong, nice touch and would be a pretty good option.

brog
16-12-2020, 05:09 PM
Yeah, he’s quick, strong, nice touch and would be a pretty good option.

I agree he would be a decent option but he would cost a fee & I suspect Killie will offer him an extended contract.

Andy74
16-12-2020, 05:19 PM
I agree he would be a decent option but he would cost a fee & I suspect Killie will offer him an extended contract.

He’s out of contract in the summer and is 27. Doesn’t have to be much of a fee.

brog
16-12-2020, 07:19 PM
He’s out of contract in the summer and is 27. Doesn’t have to be much of a fee.

Agreed but unfortunately fee gets bumped up as soon as there is interest. They'll probably look for about 50-100 & settle for 30-50.

Unseen work
16-12-2020, 09:27 PM
Really looking forward to see Jamie McGrath play for us.....:greengrin

Potty78
16-12-2020, 09:55 PM
Liked the look of Connelly on the right for saints too👍

Andy74
16-12-2020, 09:55 PM
Agreed but unfortunately fee gets bumped up as soon as there is interest. They'll probably look for about 50-100 & settle for 30-50.

Pre contract then force the issue. 👍

CMurdoch
17-12-2020, 12:32 AM
I was told before Kabamba signed for Killie that he always starts with a bang but fades. That's true of him this season at Killie. 4 goals in 4 starts early season but now has only 1 penalty goal since Sept. Not knocking you, I agree your thought in principle & I was surprised by this statistic.

He will be 28 in 3 month. Before coming to Kilmarnock he had played 1 game in Division 1 and 12 in Division 2 scoring heehaw goals.
The big guy Duku at Raith is 28 in a weeks time and has played even less football league games than Kabamba.
I expect both to sink without trace eventually. If I had to take one of the two I would take Kabamba
Consistency over years is what separates the good players from the journeymen.

JimBHibees
17-12-2020, 06:09 AM
Yeah, he’s quick, strong, nice touch and would be a pretty good option.

He would be a very good option can hold the ball up and also pretty quick. Absolutely owned Jullien physically in a game earlier in the season

PortoHSC
17-12-2020, 09:11 AM
I'd like to see us go in for a centre half as a priority as McGregor is past his best and isn't good enough anymore to step in as 1st choice, I'd also like to see us go for young Finlay Robertson at Dundee, he's 17/18 and is in and around their first team already with bags of potential. Potentially bring him in and send him back out on loan?

04Sauzee
17-12-2020, 09:18 AM
I'd like to see us go in for a centre half as a priority as McGregor is past his best and isn't good enough anymore to step in as 1st choice, I'd also like to see us go for young Finlay Robertson at Dundee, he's 17/18 and is in and around their first team already with bags of potential. Potentially bring him in and send him back out on loan?

Again some decent and not so decent CH's who will be out of contract at the end of the season,who currently play in the top division.

Stuart Findlay
Declan Galacher
Tommie Hoban
Michael Devlin
Liam Gordon
Tom Grivosti
Ash Taylor
Alex Lacovitti

500miles
17-12-2020, 09:47 AM
Again some decent and not so decent CH's who will be out of contract at the end of the season,who currently play in the top division.

Stuart Findlay
Declan Galacher
Tommie Hoban
Michael Devlin
Liam Gordon
Tom Grivosti
Ash Taylor
Alex Lacovitti

I've been impressed with Stuart Findlay at killie, believe he's a hibs fan as well.

Kinross Hibee
17-12-2020, 10:27 AM
Shopping list January 2021...

Priority - CB to challenge RP & PH for their jersey (not another to be viewed as a back-up)

Priority - Winger to play opposite side from MB, JM impressive but injury prone and DW not good enough for me to consider as viable cover.

Priority - RB cover for SPM, if he gets a second half of season lay off we'd potentially be heavily relaying on an aging SDG - either a replacement to come in on loan or permanent / or return of TJ from wigan??? - Worth another shot perhaps although not overawed with his hibs performances to date.

Nice to have - Striker of any sorts to challenge CD & KN, with the youngs guys as a back-up / appearances from the bench.

Nice to have - Another GK tied down on a permanent deal fighting for number 1 spot, don't feel DB has any real chance and only loan deal - would suspect that this will not be priority and dealt with in summer.

Nice to have - Holding mid, a mix of Gogic and Hallberg if there is such a thing???

Kinross Hibee
17-12-2020, 10:33 AM
Also...

What are the rules around multiple loans from one club?

Has it changed since 2016 when we had stokes / hendo from selic?

If not, potentially try for the likes of Stewart on-loan from Castle Grayskull for rest of season?

Jones28
17-12-2020, 10:36 AM
Shopping list January 2021...

Priority - CB to challenge RP & PH for their jersey (not another to be viewed as a back-up)

Priority - Winger to play opposite side from MB, JM impressive but injury prone and DW not good enough for me to consider as viable cover.

Priority - RB cover for SPM, if he gets a second half of season lay off we'd potentially be heavily relaying on an aging SDG - either a replacement to come in on loan or permanent / or return of TJ from wigan??? - Worth another shot perhaps although not overawed with his hibs performances to date.

Nice to have - Striker of any sorts to challenge CD & KN, with the youngs guys as a back-up / appearances from the bench.

Nice to have - Another GK tied down on a permanent deal fighting for number 1 spot, don't feel DB has any real chance and only loan deal - would suspect that this will not be priority and dealt with in summer.

Nice to have - Holding mid, a mix of Gogic and Hallberg if there is such a thing???

I'd agree with most of that; Wright has had some decent spells and I think deserves another chance, we really need another striker though. One injury and we're already calling on the kids as displayed on Tuesday. I'm happy to have Tom James back, maybe the spell at Wigan is exactly what he needed and comes back a new player. I'd rather make a striker + Campbell form Motherwell our priorities and the rest would be on my "nice to have" list.

SHODAN
17-12-2020, 10:58 AM
I wonder if we'll ramp up our transfer activity now we're in with a serious chance at a cup.

Key West
17-12-2020, 11:08 AM
Findlay ( Kilmarnock) and Gallagher ( Motherwell ) I would be delighted if we signed either.

18Craig75
17-12-2020, 11:25 AM
For me, Findlay is a good player but a bit too similar to Hanlon in that he seems quite “nice” (not a dig at Hanlon as I think he’s been outstanding this season in the main).

badabing67
17-12-2020, 11:25 AM
I wonder if we'll ramp up our transfer activity now we're in with a serious chance at a cup.


I like to think what we have already got, would be enough to win us the league cup, considering winning cups is our stated aim. If we can keep everyone fit and get Scottie back I feel we are in a good place. Many of the options being mentioned on this thread are cup tied such as Campbell, Kambala etc. If we are targeting players from this league with a view to long term perm contracts I hope we stick to the long term plan. The cup Semi will be before the end of the January transfer window that's when we usually do most of our business. I don't really see that changing. If we can I would like to get back up for Jamie Murphy because he is one of our best creative players at the moment and his niggling injuries concern me just now.

loanheadhibby
17-12-2020, 11:33 AM
I like to think what we have already got, would be enough to win us the league cup, considering winning cups is our stated aim. If we can keep everyone fit and get Scottie back I feel we are in a good place. Many of the options being mentioned on this thread are cup tied such as Campbell, Kambala etc. If we are targeting players from this league with a view to long term perm contracts I hope we stick to the long term plan. The cup Semi will be before the end of the January transfer window that's when we usually do most of our business. I don't really see that changing. If we can I would like to get back up for Jamie Murphy because he is one of our best creative players at the moment and his niggling injuries concern me just now.

I'm not sure I agree with this. We toiled against Alloa (a tough game as expected) and we always seem to struggle against St Johnstone. I thought we had enough to beat Hearts in the semi and St Johnstone will be a tougher challenge.

I think it is anyone's cup now. Would not surprise me if any of the 4 teams win it. I certainly don't think there is a strong favourite.

B.H.F.C
17-12-2020, 11:36 AM
I'm not sure I agree with this. We toiled against Alloa (a tough game as expected) and we always seem to struggle against St Johnstone. I thought we had enough to beat Hearts in the semi and St Johnstone will be a tougher challenge.

I think it is anyone's cup now. Would not surprise me if any of the 4 teams win it. I certainly don't think there is a strong favourite.

We definitely have enough in our current squad to win the trophy. That doesn’t mean we will, but I’d say we definitely have the strongest squad of the three remaining teams.

Aldo
17-12-2020, 11:47 AM
Also...

What are the rules around multiple loans from one club?

Has it changed since 2016 when we had stokes / hendo from selic?

If not, potentially try for the likes of Stewart on-loan from Castle Grayskull for rest of season?

Stewart’s a no from me as I don’t rate him and he’s avg at best and wouldn’t improve our squad!


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loanheadhibby
17-12-2020, 11:52 AM
We definitely have enough in our current squad to win the trophy. That doesn’t mean we will, but I’d say we definitely have the strongest squad of the three remaining teams.

I hope you are right. However, I think all 4 teams will be confident of winning it. I don't think there is much between us and St Johnstone. Could go all the way to penalties.

Onceinawhile
17-12-2020, 12:27 PM
I wonder if we'll ramp up our transfer activity now we're in with a serious chance at a cup.

In normal times with the possibility of a decent wedge of crowd money, maybe. Can't see it now though

CMurdoch
17-12-2020, 03:04 PM
For me, Findlay is a good player but a bit too similar to Hanlon in that he seems quite “nice” (not a dig at Hanlon as I think he’s been outstanding this season in the main).

If Hanlon gets an injury we are up **** creek withoot a paddle. You need a centre half who has good ability with the ball at his feet.
McGregor can cover for Porteous but not Hanlon.
Cover for Hanlon therefore should be the No.1 priority.

As for Findlay being soft, I've never thought that. Always seen him as a fierce tackler but can't recall if he is good on the ball.

calumhibee1
17-12-2020, 03:18 PM
Stewart’s a no from me as I don’t rate him and he’s avg at best and wouldn’t improve our squad!


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Agree.

Not sure why but every time he’s came up the last few windows I’ve just been desperate for us not to sign him. I just don’t really see it with him. Other than half a good season with Killie he’s done nothing for 4 and a half seasons now.

1 8 7 5
17-12-2020, 03:33 PM
None of the other 3 teams would have wanted Hibernian in the semi.

Aldo
17-12-2020, 03:58 PM
Agree.

Not sure why but every time he’s came up the last few windows I’ve just been desperate for us not to sign him. I just don’t really see it with him. Other than half a good season with Killie he’s done nothing for 4 and a half seasons now.

Yip that’s it in a nutshell for me. I would like to see a CF with a bit of pace. Something a bit different than we already have!

I know Boyle has played up top but I see him as more of a winger.


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