Winter transfer thread 2020-21

[Brightside]

Hibs Central on twitter has Gray, McGregor, Mallan and Mackie all potentially going out on loan.

Who runs that account?

a fanny?

[04Sauzee]

a fanny?

😅😅😅

[04Sauzee]

Dazjambo on 1 leagueback posts

dazajmbo replied to kingantti1874's topic in The Terrace

Looks likeMoult will probably be in this week. Midfielder has been signed on a pre contract. Both clubs not wanting to announce yet, as Hearts think its disrespectful to the current team while still employed. We are in talks with doing the deal and getting him in now for a small fee or end of seaso...
21 hours ago

Barry Anderson and Ewan Murray havs both tweeted since that Hearts haven't been in for Moult

He's some boy is Daz 😅

[Alex Trager]

Dazjambo on 1 leagueback posts

dazajmbo replied to kingantti1874's topic in The Terrace

Looks likeMoult will probably be in this week. Midfielder has been signed on a pre contract. Both clubs not wanting to announce yet, as Hearts think its disrespectful to the current team while still employed. We are in talks with doing the deal and getting him in now for a small fee or end of seaso...
21 hours ago

Barry Anderson and Ewan Murray havs both tweeted since that Hearts haven't been in for Moult

He's some boy is Daz [emoji28]

Who’s the midfielder they’ve not signed on a pre?

[Earlydelivery]

a fanny?
Heard from a really reliable source that Malian is definitely one we’re trying to put out on loan.

[CMurdoch]

Hibs Central on twitter has Gray, McGregor, Mallan and Mackie all potentially going out on loan.

Who runs that account?

This account is no more valid than us lot slavering our opinions on here

[Since452]

I'd be stunned if we wanted to send Mallan out on loan. He's a big reason why we're in a semi final and got a point at Celtic park.

[Since452]

Dazjambo on 1 leagueback posts

dazajmbo replied to kingantti1874's topic in The Terrace

Looks likeMoult will probably be in this week. Midfielder has been signed on a pre contract. Both clubs not wanting to announce yet, as Hearts think its disrespectful to the current team while still employed. We are in talks with doing the deal and getting him in now for a small fee or end of seaso...
21 hours ago

Barry Anderson and Ewan Murray havs both tweeted since that Hearts haven't been in for Moult

He's some boy is Daz 😅

Absolute slaver

[HoboHarry]

a fanny?
Can't be, they are likeable.

[J-C]

Heard from a really reliable source that Malian is definitely one we’re trying to put out on loan.


That wouldn't surprise me, he's getting 5-10 mins every odd game and can't be happy with that.

[B.H.F.C]

I'd be stunned if we wanted to send Mallan out on loan. He's a big reason why we're in a semi final and got a point at Celtic park.

Would make sense to me. We have 7 central midfielders on the books. With the arrival of Irvine, Mallan’s already limited game time will probably be more limited still.

[J-C]

Would make sense to me. We have 7 central midfielders on the books. With the arrival of Irvine, Mallan’s already limited game time will probably be more limited still.

We've actually 8 but that's neither here nor there, Allan and Magennis are still out and S McGinn is nowhere near the level we should be looking at, that leaves 5 it midfielders for either 2-3 spots. If Mallan goes it'll leave us short if we get any more injuries, if he does go I think it'll be in the summer.

[Souter96Mac]

I'd be stunned if we wanted to send Mallan out on loan. He's a big reason why we're in a semi final and got a point at Celtic park.

I like Stevie, but I wouldn't be surprised. We've now got: Newell, Hallberg, Irvine, Allan, Gogic, Magennis, McGinn and Mallan that can play centre mid, and you could even chuck Cadden in there too depending on where Ross sees him best play.

Mallan has played a bit part this season, and maybe a loan spell would do him good with regular game time, whilst also lifting some pressure on our wage budget to help bring in another striker for example.

[Brightside]

We've actually 8 but that's neither here nor there, Allan and Magennis are still out and S McGinn is nowhere near the level we should be looking at, that leaves 5 it midfielders for either 2-3 spots. If Mallan goes it'll leave us short if we get any more injuries, if he does go I think it'll be in the summer.

Magennis is back in full training

[CMurdoch]

Heard from a really reliable source that Malian is definitely one we’re trying to put out on loan.

IMHO not happening unless it's to sweeten a move of a striker in our direction but will probably go permanently in the summer.
S McGinn, SDG & Bradley can go on loan if anyone is interested.
Also Dabrowski back to Dumbarton as soon as Marciano is fit unless the window closes first or Dumbarton bring someone else in meantime.
Everyone else has a role.

[Billy Whizz]

Magennis is back in full training

Where are you seeing this

[Aldo]

Dylan Barnes signs for Burton Albion on loan until end of season!


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[bigwheel]

Dylan Barnes signs for Burton Albion on loan until end of season!


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That’s weird ...unless his club were unhappy about the amount of game time he got

[Billy Whizz]

Seems like both MacGennis and Rocky returned to first team training today. Great news.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/spor...-ross-19643186

Jim someone posted a photo earlier today of him training, but it was dated December

[Billy Whizz]

That’s weird ...unless his club were unhappy about the amount of game time he got

I think he was

[CMurdoch]

Where are you seeing this

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hibs-injury-update-jack-ross-19643186

Also states Mackie has a thigh strain and Allan's return is still a way off

[Billy Whizz]

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hibs-injury-update-jack-ross-19643186

Also states Mackie has a thigh strain and Allan's return is still a way off

Thanks

[CMurdoch]

That’s weird ...unless his club were unhappy about the amount of game time he got

They could probably see he would be back on the bench once Marciano returned

[JimBHibees]

Jim someone posted a photo earlier today of him training, but it was dated December

Strange one says page not there now so no idea what happened definitely clicked on link this morning so maybe old news. Will delete previous message.

[CMurdoch]

Thanks

See Jim B almost beat me to it

[Billy Whizz]

See Jim B beat me to it
Wasnae fast so was last :wink:.

I had seen that link earlier, but was thrown by the caption below the photo of December 2020

Jack’s got a big call to make it goal, that’s if Rocky is 100% fit

[ancient hibee]

IMHO not happening unless it's to sweeten a move of a striker in our direction but will probably go permanently in the summer.
S McGinn, SDG & Bradley can go on loan if anyone is interested.
Also Dabrowski back to Dumbarton as soon as Marciano is fit unless the window closes first or Dumbarton bring someone else in meantime.
Everyone else has a role.

Depends on when,or whether,Dumbarton play next.

[JimBHibees]

See Jim B almost beat me to it

Almost. :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

I had seen that link earlier, but was thrown by the caption below the photo of December 2020

Jack’s got a big call to make it goal, that’s if Rocky is 100% fit

Would assume Rocky would start if fit.

[superfurryhibby]

Would assume Rocky would start if fit.

Agree.

[The Count]

Agree.

Nobody will leave before the Semi and if we win i wouold be suprised if Gray and McGregor will go anywhere.Chance to join Stevenson as a double cup winner.Would you not just stay around.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Nobody will leave before the Semi and if we win i wouold be suprised if Gray and McGregor will go anywhere.Chance to join Stevenson as a double cup winner.Would you not just stay around.

Wouldn’t Stevenson be a treble cup winner? [emoji23]


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[MyJo]

That’s weird ...unless his club were unhappy about the amount of game time he got

In the games he played I thought he was pretty mince. Not at all unhappy that he was recalled and I suspect we had Macey lined up and he was told he would be 2nd choice and 3rd when Marciano was fit and that’s why he left.

[Eyrie]

Barnes and QPR knew we have Marciano when he came here, so how much game time could he realistically have expected?

[weecounty hibby]

Not convinced that Hibs would have been too sad to see Barnes leave. From what I've seen Macy looks an upgrade

[CMurdoch]

Depends on when,or whether,Dumbarton play next.

Forgot about their enforced halt right enough!

[Dazzjw1875]

I wouldn't drop Macey and rush back rocky for this game. All we would need is rush back and relapse. Macey seems more than able to deputise give rocky another week.

[MrRobot]

I wouldn't drop Macey and rush back rocky for this game. All we would need is rush back and relapse. Macey seems more than able to deputise give rocky another week.

Macey deserves to start IMO, he’s looked pretty solid so far.

[Souter96Mac]

From the possible outgoings being mentioned, I'd be content with Gray and Mallan going out on loan. I'd still keep McGregor as CB cover. Hopefully those departures would allow us to use the wage elsewhere, whether that be to help tie down Newell and Rocky to new contracts, or further cover upfront.

[bigwheel]

Macey deserves to start IMO, he’s looked pretty solid so far.

I agree with that..interestingly Rocky back in seems to be a change that Ross makes when he is fit again - which is slightly unusual because he is fairly light on changing outfield players when things are going well ..

The good thing is that both of them look good enough ..

[Ronniekirk]

I had seen that link earlier, but was thrown by the caption below the photo of December 2020

Jack’s got a big call to make it goal, that’s if Rocky is 100% fit

The New Guy has done nothing wrong so would be harsh if he gets dropped imo



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[Hermit Crab]

Dylan Barnes signs for Burton Albion on loan until end of season!


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He's got some job on his hands, they have conceded 51 league goals in 24 games this season. They're horrendous.

[Haymaker]

:hyper

[Alex Trager]

:hyper

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Any reason for this?

[Willis1875]

Barnes and QPR knew we have Marciano when he came here, so how much game time could he realistically have expected?

Maybe has family down south and was finding it difficult to see them given the current restrictions in place

[easty]

I wouldn't drop Macey and rush back rocky for this game. All we would need is rush back and relapse. Macey seems more than able to deputise give rocky another week.

I’d definitely not rush Rocky back either, but if Jack Ross believes Rocky is 100% fit, then he’d be right to play him.

We should play the best team we have available.

[flash]

Find it pretty incredible that people are suggesting, even advocating in some cases, that Macey should stay in goals if Marciano is fit.
Rocky is one of the better keepers we have had whereas we surely haven't seen enough of Macey to form a solid opinion.
Would hate to find out the hard way that he isn't of the same standard.

[JimBHibees]

Find it pretty incredible that people are suggesting, even advocating in some cases, that Macey should stay in goals if Marciano is fit.
Rocky is one of the better keepers we have had whereas we surely haven't seen enough of Macey to form a solid opinion.
Would hate to find out the hard way that he isn't of the same standard.

Agree there is no decision to make imo if Rocky is fit, he should definitely play. Macey has looked ok however some of his kicks haven't been the best and not sure he has been as solid as some think.

[FilipinoHibs]

Agree there is no decision to make imo if Ricky is fit, he should definitely play. Macey has looked ok however some of his kicks haven't been the best and not sure he has been as solid as some think.

A semi is for experienced heads. Get Rocky back if he is fit.

[Greenbeard]

Agree there is no decision to make imo if Ricky is fit, he should definitely play. Macey has looked ok however some of his kicks haven't been the best and not sure he has been as solid as some think.
Think I'll end up with a sore arse sitting on the fence on this one so will trust in JR and what he has seen on the training park.
Macey has looked competent enough although he was fortunate to get away with dropping a couple not-too-hard balls on Sat which on another day could have been punished, in which case he would have been getting absolute pelters on here. If you give him the benefit of the doubt due to match rustiness and say he has got that rustiness out of the way fair enough, but then you'd also have to take into account a degree of match rustiness with Rocky after 4 weeks out.

[easty]

Think I'll end up with a sore arse sitting on the fence on this one so will trust in JR and what he has seen on the training park.
Macey has looked competent enough although he was fortunate to get away with dropping a couple not-too-hard balls on Sat which on another day could have been punished, in which case he would have been getting absolute pelters on here. If you give him the benefit of the doubt due to match rustiness and say he has got that rustiness out of the way fair enough, but then you'd also have to take into account a degree of match rustiness with Rocky after 4 weeks out.

Can’t see any reason Rocky would be more match rusty than Macey. Before Macey played his first two games for us he’d not played since 10th November. His previous game to that was a year before.

[Stuart93]

Rocky comes back in when fit. Best goalie at the club and you start your best players if they’re fit

[blackpoolhibs]

If Rocky is fit, he's our No1 and plays.

[badabing67]

I'd be stunned if we wanted to send Mallan out on loan. He's a big reason why we're in a semi final and got a point at Celtic park.

I agree Drey Wright has done nothing along with Stephen McGinn which seems a bit of a job for they boys signing. Jackson Irvine will be away in the summer, no news on Newell and Rocky extensions. Can't believe the question wasn't mentioned on Saturday when Joe was on Hibs TV. If anything we should try and get Drey Wright out on loan possibly back to St Johnstone to see if he can kick on a bit might just need a consistent run of games. I think we will get more out of Mallan if we can play him beside Magennis

[superfurryhibby]

If Rocky is fit, he's our No1 and plays.

I’m baffled that anyone can think otherwise. If fit , he plays.

[GreenPJ]

A semi is for experienced heads. Get Rocky back if he is fit.

There was a certain goalie who was brought in as back up who did rather well in a cup semi

[jacomo]

I agree Drey Wright has done nothing along with Stephen McGinn which seems a bit of a job for they boys signing. Jackson Irvine will be away in the summer, no news on Newell and Rocky extensions. Can't believe the question wasn't mentioned on Saturday when Joe was on Hibs TV. If anything we should try and get Drey Wright out on loan possibly back to St Johnstone to see if he can kick on a bit might just need a consistent run of games. I think we will get more out of Mallan if we can play him beside Magennis


This is all quite pessimistic.

Newell and Rocky might well stay, remember that a contract with a stable club is more valuable in these uncertain times. Likewise Irvine will be thinking about the 2022 World Cup and at Hibs he is playing with an international team mate. Being without a club for six months may also make him value what he has with us.

We could keep all three next season. I certainly hope so.

[Magpie]

I’ll be disappointed if we don’t start Samson.

[Hermit Crab]

A semi is for experienced heads. Get Rocky back if he is fit.


Tell that to Conrad

[Ozyhibby]

Tell that to Conrad

He was pretty experienced?


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[Andy74]

Tell that to Conrad

He’d played about 160 first team games. Macey has played about 60.

Logan wasn’t fit but he was reasonably experienced.

[scoopyboy]

I agree Drey Wright has done nothing along with Stephen McGinn which seems a bit of a job for they boys signing. Jackson Irvine will be away in the summer, no news on Newell and Rocky extensions. Can't believe the question wasn't mentioned on Saturday when Joe was on Hibs TV. If anything we should try and get Drey Wright out on loan possibly back to St Johnstone to see if he can kick on a bit might just need a consistent run of games. I think we will get more out of Mallan if we can play him beside Magennis

Sometimes interviewers are instructed not to ask certain questions.

I remember one was told this with Jim McLean, he ignored the advice and went ahead with the question and was given a right hook by the manager.

[badabing67]

This is all quite pessimistic.

Newell and Rocky might well stay, remember that a contract with a stable club is more valuable in these uncertain times. Likewise Irvine will be thinking about the 2022 World Cup and at Hibs he is playing with an international team mate. Being without a club for six months may also make him value what he has with us.

We could keep all three next season. I certainly hope so.


Newell and Rocky might well stay and I hope they do. I don't think my post is not pessimistic, It is just an honest assessment of where we are. The post i replied to was to agree i would be surprised if we let Mallan go out on loan. Why would would we loan him when he is an asset. Jackson Irvine he has come here to get in contention for the the Aussie squad for the postponed Asia Cup 2020 which starts in June this year (Please ignore incorrect info). If he has a good tournament I think it is highly unlikely he will be back. Just my opinion but would love to be wrong. Should be careful who you listen to

[Robbo6-2]

Newell and Rocky might well stay and I hope they do. I don't think my post is not pessimistic, It is just an honest assessment of where we are. The post i replied to was to agree i would be surprised if we let Mallan go out on loan. Why would would we loan him when he is an asset. Jackson Irvine he has come here to get in contention for the the Aussie squad for the postponed Asia Cup 2020 which starts in June this year. If he has a good tournament I think it is highly unlikely he will be back. Just my opinion but would love to be wrong.

Mallan pre injury I would say agree, however since he has come back hes even slower than what he was previously.

He simply does not have the pace to play the same way he did before.

Time to move on to the benefit of both club and player. He needs to be playing regularly at the level he currently is at which is Scottish Championship level imo.

[SMAXXA]

?
Any reason for this?

Na he just randomly does this for some reason no idea why

[Onceinawhile]

Na he just randomly does this for some reason no idea why

It began as a leigh Griffiths thing no?

Anyway, macey won the fa Cup about 7 months ago, I'm sure he'd be fine.

[Phil MaGlass]

Maybe once Lennon is sacked we could make a cheeky wee bid for Leigh😂

[brog]

Mallan pre injury I would say agree, however since he has come back hes even slower than what he was previously.

He simply does not have the pace to play the same way he did before.

Time to move on to the benefit of both club and player. He needs to be playing regularly at the level he currently is at which is Scottish Championship level imo.

I'm not sure where you get this about Mallan being slow. My understanding is he continues to turn in high numbers in training. I would certainly back him in a sprint with most of our central midfield players. As for being at Scot Championship level, if we indicate we're open to letting Mallan go there's (at least) 3 top flight clubs looking to take him.

[Wull]

Maybe once Lennon is sacked we could make a cheeky wee bid for Leigh😂

I think that's a sound idea, if JR would have him.

[worcesterhibby]

I'd be dissapointed to see Mallan go out on loan. Even if it's from the bench I still think he offers us a lot. As a player he excites me, when he has the ball anywhere around the box your always expecting a 30 yard raker into the top corner.

[TheGog]

Maybe once Lennon is sacked we could make a cheeky wee bid for Leigh😂
It's Lawell we have to worry about. Rumours Lawell is away at the end of the season though

[hughio]

I think that's a sound idea, if JR would have him.

"He's one of our own"..Burds,booze an horses.

Get him in Jack!

[SMAXXA]

Mallan pre injury I would say agree, however since he has come back hes even slower than what he was previously.

He simply does not have the pace to play the same way he did before.

Time to move on to the benefit of both club and player. He needs to be playing regularly at the level he currently is at which is Scottish Championship level imo.

Mallan a championship player don't talk nonsense.

[SMAXXA]

If Rocky is fit, he's our No1 and plays.

I disagree. Macey has come in and done very well, don’t change a winning side as they say. What id also throw into the mix is Marciano still not signed a new contract so if he’s no intention of doing so bench him and play Macey with the hope of getting him on a permanent deal as seen nothing to suggest so far he wouldn’t be ample.

[SaulGoodman]

Tell that to Conrad

I’ll never forget the feeling of walking down the steps at Hampden and seeing that absolute unit in goals for us.

[Mantis Toboggan]

Seem to remember we stuck with Laidlaw in goals for the LC semi against Celtic in 2017 despite Marciano being fit again (was on the bench), Laidlaw then going on to concede a soft goal to make it 0 - 2. If Marciano is fit we should absolutely start him.

[Smartie]

I’m baffled that anyone can think otherwise. If fit , he plays.

The issue arises if he’s “nearly” fit.

Are you better off having a fully fit understudy or a slightly hampered first choice?

[Magpie]

https://youtu.be/S-b5zdCokYg

Conrad was 10/10 that day. Quick look at the highlights reminds me of how much I’m going to miss being there on Saturday.

[Smartie]

Mallan a championship player don't talk nonsense.

Mallan’s form and our results when he starts games are dreadful and we never seem to have found a role he looks comfortable in.

He’s starting to look like an impact player, which might not suit him.

I don’t actually think the “championship player” criticism is ridiculous. When he’s played big chunks of games he’s been a big part of a department in our team that has fallen hopelessly short of expectation and he really struggles when pressed.

I’m also convinced he has the potential to win us dozens of points going on a sub later in games.

He has his uses, but I’m not convinced that his and our expectations align right now.

[Hermit Crab]

He’d played about 160 first team games. Macey has played about 60.

Logan wasn’t fit but he was reasonably experienced.


Is 60 games not experienced now?

[MWHIBBIES]

Is 60 games not experienced now?

When has it ever been? Gullan has played 72, would you say he is experienced?

[3pm]

IIRC Ross Laidlaw played instead of Marciano in the semi final of the league cup in 2018 I think it was and he cost us the game with his mistakes early doors.

Rocky in if he is fit.

[hibees 7062]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/139831499_10225593383727367_8682529700647339228_o. jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=WQrplAY0WLkAX9pTBMn&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=4bf6d2ee63ac90c5286fe05154402ada&oe=602CB5FC

[Billy Whizz]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/139831499_10225593383727367_8682529700647339228_o. jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=WQrplAY0WLkAX9pTBMn&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=4bf6d2ee63ac90c5286fe05154402ada&oe=602CB5FC

Dunfermline signed a right back last week?

[penihibs]

Agree there is no decision to make imo if Ricky is fit, he should definitely play. Macey has looked ok however some of his kicks haven't been the best and not sure he has been as solid as some think.
Totally agree with you thought he's looked a bit iffy with his handling dropping a few Crosse's he should be holding,guys not played a lot so understand that, but big game like this would rather have experience in.

[SMAXXA]

Totally agree with you thought he's looked a bit iffy with his handling dropping a few Crosse's he should be holding,guys not played a lot so understand that, but big game like this would rather have experience in.

Dropped 1 cross then gathered it.

[hibbysam]

Dropped 1 cross then gathered it.

Regardless of dropped crosses, he’s well below Rocky’s levels and if he’s fit then he should play. As has been said many a time regarding Laidlaw a couple of years ago, you don’t take that chance. Same with Virtanen at home to Brondby. His contract situation is second to us trying to get into a national cup final, it’s not the time to take a stand.

[Hermit Crab]

When has it ever been? Gullan has played 72, would you say he is experienced?


First team football?

[easty]

Is 60 games not experienced now?

Not particularly. You can play almost that many in one season.

[ekhibee]

If the rumours over several seasons are true and Marciano wants to leave then he's a good keeper but certainly not irreplaceable, but if they're all just made up nonsense then no harm done and he stays with us. I do like Macey though, he looks a good keeper as well.

[superfurryhibby]

The issue arises if he’s “nearly” fit.

Are you better off having a fully fit understudy or a slightly hampered first choice?

If Marciano's movement is impaired, or he risks further injury from playing or he can't kick the ball properly then he shouldn't play. Otherwise it's a no brainer.

[brog]

Mallan’s form and our results when he starts games are dreadful and we never seem to have found a role he looks comfortable in.

He’s starting to look like an impact player, which might not suit him.

I don’t actually think the “championship player” criticism is ridiculous. When he’s played big chunks of games he’s been a big part of a department in our team that has fallen hopelessly short of expectation and he really struggles when pressed.

I’m also convinced he has the potential to win us dozens of points going on a sub later in games.

He has his uses, but I’m not convinced that his and our expectations align right now.

I'm not sure how you can say the results when Mallan starts games are dreadful. He's only started 4 league games this season. The performance against Livi was indeed dreadful but it was hardly all down to Mallan. There were many worse performers that night and the midfield player subbed was Gogic. The other 3 games were the 2-2 home games with St J and Celtc & the 1-0 away victory at Killie. We were 2 1 up when Mallan was subbed against Celtc.

[JimBHibees]

If Marciano's movement is impaired, or he risks further injury from playing or he can't kick the ball properly then he shouldn't play. Otherwise it's a no brainer.

You would assume we are able to test that during the week though of course he did breakdown before the Livi game so definitely need to be as sure as we can if starting him.

[MrRobot]

Regardless of dropped crosses, he’s well below Rocky’s levels and if he’s fit then he should play. As has been said many a time regarding Laidlaw a couple of years ago, you don’t take that chance. Same with Virtanen at home to Brondby. His contract situation is second to us trying to get into a national cup final, it’s not the time to take a stand.

You’ve come to the conclusion that he is well below Rockys levels after 2 games in which he has only conceded 1 goal? :confused:

[supermcginn]

Regardless of dropped crosses, he’s well below Rocky’s levels and if he’s fit then he should play. As has been said many a time regarding Laidlaw a couple of years ago, you don’t take that chance. Same with Virtanen at home to Brondby. His contract situation is second to us trying to get into a national cup final, it’s not the time to take a stand.
Is he? What do you base that on? Macey will start and rightly so.

[Billy Whizz]

Is he? What do you base that on? Macey will start and rightly so.

If Rocky is 100% fit he’ll start in my opinion

[Brightside]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/139831499_10225593383727367_8682529700647339228_o. jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=WQrplAY0WLkAX9pTBMn&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=4bf6d2ee63ac90c5286fe05154402ada&oe=602CB5FC

Best to ignore every single Hibs account on twitter. :greengrin

[Andy74]

Is 60 games not experienced now?

It’s more the fact you called Logan inexperienced after his 160 odd.

[MWHIBBIES]

First team football?

Between Hibs, Raith and Queens park he has 70 matches

[superfurryhibby]

Is he? What do you base that on? Macey will start and rightly so.

Based on the fact that Marciano is one of the best goalies seen at Hibs for several decades?

Macey won't start (unless Marciano is unfit) and rightly so.

Bizarre logic, no substance :confused:

[supermcginn]

Based on the fact that Marciano is one of the best goalies seen at Hibs for several decades?

Macey won't start (unless Marciano is unfit) and rightly so.

Bizarre logic, no substance :confused:
Several decades 😂. I'm 36 he wouldn't even be in my top 5 Hibs goalies.

[Callum_62]

Several decades [emoji23]. I'm 36 he wouldn't even be in my top 5 Hibs goalies.Several decades could be 20 years btw.

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[Highwayman]

As far as Mallan is concerned it looks like JR is not sure what to do with him at present.It might be a good option for both club and player to send him out on loan for the rest of the season.He’s of a higher standard than the Championship and warming the bench every game.If he was offered on loan could see clubs currently 5 to 12 in table being interested in taking him.

[SMAXXA]

Regardless of dropped crosses, he’s well below Rocky’s levels and if he’s fit then he should play. As has been said many a time regarding Laidlaw a couple of years ago, you don’t take that chance. Same with Virtanen at home to Brondby. His contract situation is second to us trying to get into a national cup final, it’s not the time to take a stand.

How can you possibly say he’s well below Marciano standards when you’ve seen him play 2 games?

[superfurryhibby]

Several decades 😂. I'm 36 he wouldn't even be in my top 5 Hibs goalies.


Aye Ok then:aok: I'll not even bother to ask.

[easty]

Several decades 😂. I'm 36 he wouldn't even be in my top 5 Hibs goalies.

Really? We’re around the same age...I can’t think of 5 better keepers I’ve seen us have.

[Ray_]

Really? We’re around the same age...I can’t think of 5 better keepers I’ve seen us have.

Rough, Goram, Leighton, Andersson & Ben Williams are the best ones I've seen in that time, Rocky apart.

[PH91]

Several decades 😂. I'm 36 he wouldn't even be in my top 5 Hibs goalies.

Goram, Leighton...........?

Andersson maybe.

[HoboHarry]

Rough, Goram, Leighton, Andersson & Ben Williams are the best ones I've seen in that time, Rocky apart.
Mad as March hare but Burridge was up there too......

[Since452]

IIRC Ross Laidlaw played instead of Marciano in the semi final of the league cup in 2018 I think it was and he cost us the game with his mistakes early doors.

Rocky in if he is fit.

Marciano also made a balls up of the 2017 Scottish Cup semi leading to us going 2-0 down. He's more than capable of making mistakes too.

[superfurryhibby]

Marciano also made a balls up of the 2017 Scottish Cup semi leading to us going 2-0 down. He's more than capable of making mistakes too.

All keepers, like all players, will make a mistake. There were a couple of players considerably more culpable than Marciano at that semi. McGregor and McGeouch.

I’ve been going to see Hibs for 50 years. The best keepers I’ve seen in that time are Goram, Rough, Leighton and Marciano, in that order. All very different, all very good.

[04Sauzee]

🆕| Livingston FC is delighted to announce the re-signing of defender Jackson Longridge on a 2-and-a-half year deal.

Full story on the website now and we'll have an exclusive interview on LFC Live later tonight.

Welcome back, Jacko! 👍🏻

[MWHIBBIES]

Marciano also made a balls up of the 2017 Scottish Cup semi leading to us going 2-0 down. He's more than capable of making mistakes too.

The wall made a balls up as well. And McGinn/McGregor put us 1-0 down, I'd still quite happily have SJM playing Saturday.

Every single player ever makes mistakes.

[hibbysam]

How can you possibly say he’s well below Marciano standards when you’ve seen him play 2 games?

By their respective careers as of now. Rocky is a full internationalist, played and made some exceptional saves for us, is a top top goalkeeper. Macey has done absolutely nothing in his career to date. If Kev Nisbet had missed a couple of games and Jamie Gullan had come in and done ok, Nisbet being fit would be straight back into the team, same for Boyle, same for Newell. It’s a semi final and if they’re fit,’you put your best players into the team.

[Allant1981]

Several decades 😂. I'm 36 he wouldn't even be in my top 5 Hibs goalies.

List them, I'm only 4 years older and would struggle for 5 better keepers, goram, Leighton miles better, arguably Daniel andersson but wouldn't be much in it

[BILLYHIBS]

Jackson Longridge rejoins Livingston from Bradford City

He goes into the squad for tomorrow nights game versus Celtic

Contract cancelled by mutual consent

Source: STV News

[hibbysam]

List them, I'm only 4 years older and would struggle for 5 better keepers, goram, Leighton miles better, arguably Daniel andersson but wouldn't be much in it

Andersson wasn’t as good as Rocky is now. A good keeper who’s reputation is greatly remembered for the semi final against Rangers.

[Smartie]

I'm not sure how you can say the results when Mallan starts games are dreadful. He's only started 4 league games this season. The performance against Livi was indeed dreadful but it was hardly all down to Mallan. There were many worse performers that night and the midfield player subbed was Gogic. The other 3 games were the 2-2 home games with St J and Celtc & the 1-0 away victory at Killie. We were 2 1 up when Mallan was subbed against Celtc.

Mainly because he's played for us for 2 seasons prior to this, 2 other seasons where the midfield was found wanting.

He's had some excellent appearances off the bench in recent weeks/ months.

He probably hasn't had as many good starting performances as that in the 2 and a half years, also taking into consideration spells out injured and spells when he hadn't shown enough to be considered for a starting role.

[Ray_]

Andersson wasn’t as good as Rocky is now. A good keeper who’s reputation is greatly remembered for the semi final against Rangers.

I thought he was an excellent keeper and to be fair he saved a Mikel Arteta penalty during the game and a further two during the shootout, so he deserved to be greatly remembered that night but he is rightly remembered for his endeavours during the whole season in what was a very young Hibs team at the time.

[SMAXXA]

Mainly because he's played for us for 2 seasons prior to this, 2 other seasons where the midfield was found wanting.

He's had some excellent appearances off the bench in recent weeks/ months.

He probably hasn't had as many good starting performances as that in the 2 and a half years, also taking into consideration spells out injured and spells when he hadn't shown enough to be considered for a starting role.

Isn’t it more remarkable he was top scorer in his first season in that midfield?

[King Cosell]

Andersson wasn’t as good as Rocky is now. A good keeper who’s reputation is greatly remembered for the semi final against Rangers.

One season with Hibs, rest of career in Sweden. Appreciate his contribution but if he was that good he'd have more than one cap.

[Smartie]

Andersson has always been viewed in a slightly rosy light for me. He didn't make many mistakes and he had the great night at Hampden saving penalties from very highly paid Rangers players but he didn't actually play for us all that often so he always compares favourably to players who made more appearance had more opportunities to make clangers.

Burridge was the goalkeeper when I started watching regularly. Since then, only Leighton has been better than Marciano in my opinion. I'm actually not that mad on Marciano - makes great saves but his kicking and I think his concentration let him down a bit. But in truth, the standard of Hibs goalkeeper since Leighton has bobbed about somewhere between average and dreadful.

Just before my time I believe Goram and Rough were good.

Colgan was decent enough. Stack I quite liked. The polar bear will always be special to us. McNeil only lacked a bit of height and presence.

Some of the rest though...

[brog]

Mainly because he's played for us for 2 seasons prior to this, 2 other seasons where the midfield was found wanting.

He's had some excellent appearances off the bench in recent weeks/ months.

He probably hasn't had as many good starting performances as that in the 2 and a half years, also taking into consideration spells out injured and spells when he hadn't shown enough to be considered for a starting role.

He won both Fans and Fellow Players POTY 2 seasons ago so it seems they would disagree with you. IIRC nearly all his 16 starts last season were under Hecky when no Hibs player could be said to have performed well. Regardless, it's this season that he should be judged on & with only 4 league starts out of 20 an objective assessment is really not possible.

[3pm]

Marciano also made a balls up of the 2017 Scottish Cup semi leading to us going 2-0 down. He's more than capable of making mistakes too.

Of course but less likely than the number 2. You play your strongest team.

[Smartie]

Isn’t it more remarkable he was top scorer in his first season in that midfield?

The majority of those goals and the better performances he put in were 2 and a half seasons ago and with John McGinn next to him.

I'd love to rate Mallan more highly but I'm sorry - I just can't.

At the moment he looks like being a very valuable impact player and if he was happy with that then that would be great. Close to every time he starts we play badly and we lose the midfield. We can face up to that now or give him more chances and watch us drop down the league.

It's a ruthless business and I just cannot work out a way to get him starting games in a team that has any pretence of finishing in the top 4. I thought he would be a natural replacement for Scott Allan but it hasn't worked out that way.

Many of our games are going to be tight, and as legs tire, he could be the deciding factor in turning draws into wins and winning us points off the bench.

Just calling it as I see it having wanted him to be a success for 2 and a half season but having bluntly run out of patience.

[Smartie]

He won both Fans and Fellow Players POTY 2 seasons ago so it seems they would disagree with you. IIRC nearly all his 16 starts last season were under Hecky when no Hibs player could be said to have performed well. Regardless, it's this season that he should be judged on & with only 4 league starts out of 20 an objective assessment is really not possible.

Yeah, I'd have been in disagreement with them.

It wasn't a great season at all and he probably won it for some impressive stuff early in the season then actually turning up every week for the full season (not something to be sniffed at btw). Omeonga, Milligan, McNulty - all played better than him for smaller chunks of that season. It has taken hindsight for me to realise he was probably a big part of the problem rather than the solution.

This season - he hasn't shown enough in his starts to suggest he should be given more chances.

He's looked lively off the bench though. Very lively at times.

Mallan now screams "impact player" and the fact that Ross moved swiftly to bolster the midfield and played someone who hadn't played for nearly a year ahead of him in an important game at the weekend would suggest that the only person whose opinion actually matters would agree.

I don't expect Mallan to be all that happy about it, therefore I understand why a loan move is being discussed, even if it is just on here.

[hibbysam]

I thought he was an excellent keeper and to be fair he saved a Mikel Arteta penalty during the game and a further two during the shootout, so he deserved to be greatly remembered that night but he is rightly remembered for his endeavours during the whole season in what was a very young Hibs team at the time.

He was a very good and reliable keeper, but many average keepers have been penalty heroes (see Maxwell). The fact he was followed by some absolute shockers also paints him in good light, just don’t think he was as good as people remember.

[Hibee Mac]

Yeah, I'd have been in disagreement with them.

It wasn't a great season at all and he probably won it for some impressive stuff early in the season then actually turning up every week for the full season (not something to be sniffed at btw). Omeonga, Milligan, McNulty - all played better than him for smaller chunks of that season. It has taken hindsight for me to realise he was probably a big part of the problem rather than the solution.

This season - he hasn't shown enough in his starts to suggest he should be given more chances.

He's looked lively off the bench though. Very lively at times.

Mallan now screams "impact player" and the fact that Ross moved swiftly to bolster the midfield and played someone who hadn't played for nearly a year ahead of him in an important game at the weekend would suggest that the only person whose opinion actually matters would agree.

I don't expect Mallan to be all that happy about it, therefore I understand why a loan move is being discussed, even if it is just on here.That's a very well rounded response.

I tend to be a lot less well rounded in response to that particular point, I find the POTY stuff completely tiresome and missing the point entirely.

Anyone who thinks Mallan is worthy of a starting spot in our midfield is kidding themselves on, as you say he's been a large part of far too many terrible midfields over the last 2.5 years. He is a potentially great option off the bench, but he will not want that. I see him moving on loan or being sold in summer.

[MrRobot]

The majority of those goals and the better performances he put in were 2 and a half seasons ago and with John McGinn next to him.

I'd love to rate Mallan more highly but I'm sorry - I just can't.

At the moment he looks like being a very valuable impact player and if he was happy with that then that would be great. Close to every time he starts we play badly and we lose the midfield. We can face up to that now or give him more chances and watch us drop down the league.

It's a ruthless business and I just cannot work out a way to get him starting games in a team that has any pretence of finishing in the top 4. I thought he would be a natural replacement for Scott Allan but it hasn't worked out that way.

Many of our games are going to be tight, and as legs tire, he could be the deciding factor in turning draws into wins and winning us points off the bench.

Just calling it as I see it having wanted him to be a success for 2 and a half season but having bluntly run out of patience.

Didn’t McGinn move the same summer than Mallan was signed? I could be wrong but I think they only played together for around a month. Mallan was in ridiculous form that season.


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[easty]

Rough, Goram, Leighton, Andersson & Ben Williams are the best ones I've seen in that time, Rocky apart.

Only Goram and Leighton are better than Marciano, a lot better too.

I liked Williams and Anderson, but don’t think they were really any better than even Colgan.

[easty]

Andersson has always been viewed in a slightly rosy light for me. He didn't make many mistakes and he had the great night at Hampden saving penalties from very highly paid Rangers players but he didn't actually play for us all that often so he always compares favourably to players who made more appearance had more opportunities to make clangers.

Burridge was the goalkeeper when I started watching regularly. Since then, only Leighton has been better than Marciano in my opinion. I'm actually not that mad on Marciano - makes great saves but his kicking and I think his concentration let him down a bit. But in truth, the standard of Hibs goalkeeper since Leighton has bobbed about somewhere between average and dreadful.

Just before my time I believe Goram and Rough were good.

Colgan was decent enough. Stack I quite liked. The polar bear will always be special to us. McNeil only lacked a bit of height and presence.

Some of the rest though...

McNeil was pretty terrible.

[cannastar]

player catching the eye is sammy szmodics of peterborough peteboro midfielder who scores goals also.

[Smartie]

Didn’t McGinn move the same summer than Mallan was signed? I could be wrong but I think they only played together for around a month. Mallan was in ridiculous form that season.


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They played together in some of the early European games before McGinn moved.

Mallan was excellent in those games and tbh we've been waiting on him recreating that form ever since.

Not sure if it was the McGinn factor, knocking his pan in early on as a new signing before dropping off a bit, European football suiting his strengths more...

[04Sauzee]

Ross Stewart could leave Ross County this month.

There was strong speculation surrounding a move to Hibs for Stewart back in June.

Ex-Hibs boss John Hughes, who replaced Stuart Kettlewell at County last month, is hoping the striker is back fit soon but has admitted he will be leaving the club.

An exit is likely at the end of the campaign but Hughes has not ruled out a possible move this month, depending on another striker arriving, the club's results in the next week or so and the money offered.

“Big Ross will be coming back [from injury],” Hughes said. “Hopefully he can get a couple of games in

[Billy Whizz]

Ross Stewart could leave Ross County this month.

There was strong speculation surrounding a move to Hibs for Stewart back in June.

Ex-Hibs boss John Hughes, who replaced Stuart Kettlewell at County last month, is hoping the striker is back fit soon but has admitted he will be leaving the club.

An exit is likely at the end of the campaign but Hughes has not ruled out a possible move this month, depending on another striker arriving, the club's results in the next week or so and the money offered.

“Big Ross will be coming back [from injury],” Hughes said. “Hopefully he can get a couple of games in

Aberdeen bound if they can sell Cosgrove

[04Sauzee]

Aberdeen bound if they can sell Cosgrove

That would be my bet

[MrRobot]

They played together in some of the early European games before McGinn moved.

Mallan was excellent in those games and tbh we've been waiting on him recreating that form ever since.

Not sure if it was the McGinn factor, knocking his pan in early on as a new signing before dropping off a bit, European football suiting his strengths more...

I think he was excellent the majority of that season but i do agree with you; he’s not been at it since and has moved from first name on the team sheet to squad player

it’s frustrating cause he clearly has something but he just doesn’t show it anywhere near enough.

[GreenCastle]

I think he was excellent the majority of that season but i do agree with you; he’s not been at it since and has moved from first name on the team sheet to squad player

it’s frustrating cause he clearly has something but he just doesn’t show it anywhere near enough.

Mallan has been unlucky with injuries - Hecky and I don’t think he’s really had a run recently of a free role / behind front 2.

He can’t play in same team as Allan and I don’t think he can okay as a 2 in midfield.

I would keep him as he can score out of nothing and always feel dangerous with him on set pieces - not something I feel for Newell or Hallberg who both don’t score enough.

[Aldo]

player catching the eye is sammy szmodics of peterborough peteboro midfielder who scores goals also.

Whose eye?? Yours of the club??


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[04Sauzee]

player catching the eye is sammy szmodics of peterborough peteboro midfielder who scores goals also.

Can't be our eyes 👀

Wiki states

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He signed a four year contract after signing for an "undisclosed fee" believed to be in excess of £1m, with a number of other clubs rumoured to be interested, including Sunderland and Portsmouth.[44]

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[Magpie]

Aberdeen bound if they can sell Cosgrove

I heard Warnock wants him at Middlesbrough.

[brog]

Yeah, I'd have been in disagreement with them.

It wasn't a great season at all and he probably won it for some impressive stuff early in the season then actually turning up every week for the full season (not something to be sniffed at btw). Omeonga, Milligan, McNulty - all played better than him for smaller chunks of that season. It has taken hindsight for me to realise he was probably a big part of the problem rather than the solution.

This season - he hasn't shown enough in his starts to suggest he should be given more chances.

He's looked lively off the bench though. Very lively at times.

Mallan now screams "impact player" and the fact that Ross moved swiftly to bolster the midfield and played someone who hadn't played for nearly a year ahead of him in an important game at the weekend would suggest that the only person whose opinion actually matters would agree.

I don't expect Mallan to be all that happy about it, therefore I understand why a loan move is being discussed, even if it is just on here.

Those are thoughtful & constructive comments. What I responded to originally was your comment that our results are dreadful when Mallan starts. As you used the present tense I assumed you were referring to the current season & that was a less thoughtful comment IMO. FWIW I'm not a huge SM fan but I do think he often gets a raw deal on here.

[Smartie]

Those are thoughtful & constructive comments. What I responded to originally was your comment that our results are dreadful when Mallan starts. As you used the present tense I assumed you were referring to the current season & that was a less thoughtful comment IMO. FWIW I'm not a huge SM fan but I do think he often gets a raw deal on here.

Fair enough.

And I’m certainly not going to back it up with any stats or figures - I can’t.

It’s just that it feels a bit cyclical - good performance off the bench, clamour to start, poor individual and team performance when he starts, back into the bench, looks lively off the bench.

Story of this season, if not the ones previously.

[SMAXXA]

They played together in some of the early European games before McGinn moved.

Mallan was excellent in those games and tbh we've been waiting on him recreating that form ever since.

Not sure if it was the McGinn factor, knocking his pan in early on as a new signing before dropping off a bit, European football suiting his strengths more...

Sorry I’m confused was the majority of his goals with mcginn next to him that season?

[JohnM1875]

Personally couldn't care less about Stewart. If we sign him,fair enough. If he ends up at Aberdeen can't say I'd be worried about him when they played us.

Though I suppose if we're to sign a striker in January it's hardly going to be a marquee signing due to the nature of the window.

[easty]

Personally couldn't care less about Stewart. If we sign him,fair enough. If he ends up at Aberdeen can't say I'd be worried about him when they played us.

Though I suppose if we're to sign a striker in January it's hardly going to be a marquee signing due to the nature of the window.

If Aberdeen sell Cosgrove and bring in Stewart, they’re weaker. I’m happy with that.

[Real Emerald]

Personally couldn't care less about Stewart. If we sign him,fair enough. If he ends up at Aberdeen can't say I'd be worried about him when they played us.

Though I suppose if we're to sign a striker in January it's hardly going to be a marquee signing due to the nature of the window.

I’m the same, he’s done nothing to suggest he could become a great striker. No idea why he’s given so many plaudits. Mind you I said that about Steve Archibald before he signed for us. 😂

[kaimendhibs]

I like Mallan. Imo the critism he gets is unfair and cruel. He is paid to look forward from midfield and he does that, playing forward passes and scoring goals. He isnt perfect but if he was he wouldnt be at Hibs

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[lord bunberry]

Sorry I’m confused was the majority of his goals with mcginn next to him that season?
They weren’t. Mcginn left right at the start of the season, you’d be lucky if they played 5 games together. It’s ludicrous to suggest that Mallan’s good form that season had anything to do with Mcginn.

[jacomo]

They weren’t. Mcginn left right at the start of the season, you’d be lucky if they played 5 games together. It’s ludicrous to suggest that Mallan’s good form that season had anything to do with Mcginn.


:agree:

Mallan was effectively a (not exactly like for like) replacement for SJM.

I think this explains the antipathy towards him. As Hibs fans we are often in a hyper state of vigilance about failing to replace our best players - because it is so difficult to do.

What Mallan DID do was offer us goals and assists from midfield - something we had been crying out for. But the weaknesses to his game mean that we have rarely tried to build a midfield around him.

I will always remember when we lined up against Celtc in a 4-4-2 with Mallan at the base of midfield. I thought we were going to get slaughtered yet we won 2-0.

[SMAXXA]

They weren’t. Mcginn left right at the start of the season, you’d be lucky if they played 5 games together. It’s ludicrous to suggest that Mallan’s good form that season had anything to do with Mcginn.

Thanks and that’s how I remember it. It’s funny how these things allude people’s minds when trying to create a narrative. No room here for agitate factual information

[SMAXXA]

:agree:

Mallan was effectively a (not exactly like for like) replacement for SJM.

I think this explains the antipathy towards him. As Hibs fans we are often in a hyper state of vigilance about failing to replace our best players - because it is so difficult to do.

What Mallan DID do was offer us goals and assists from midfield - something we had been crying out for. But the weaknesses to his game mean that we have rarely tried to build a midfield around him.

I will always remember when we lined up against Celtc in a 4-4-2 with Mallan at the base of midfield. I thought we were going to get slaughtered yet we won 2-0.

Spot on, good post.

Problem mallan often found was he was being played as a holding midfielder which clearly isn’t his game. He’s a player with a lot of ability, seems a great pro and always comes across well I hope he has a future with hibs and cements a place in the side somewhere in time.

[04Sauzee]

Hearts in for 23 year old 6'4 striker Elijah Adebayo from Walsall

[Stanton Spence]

Spot on, good post.

Problem mallan often found was he was being played as a holding midfielder which clearly isn’t his game. He’s a player with a lot of ability, seems a great pro and always comes across well I hope he has a future with hibs and cements a place in the side somewhere in time.How much more time can we give mallan??? It's safe to say that he's never going to cement any place at hibs and it's probably best for his own career if he finds a club that will give him a regular game.

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[The Modfather]

How much more time can we give mallan??? It's safe to say that he's never going to cement any place at hibs and it's probably best for his own career if he finds a club that will give him a regular game.

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Yep, add in the fact we paid a fee for him and he’ll be on a wage to match that fee and he’s an expensive luxury IMO, more so in these times. Think he’s reached the same point Shaw did in that he needs to leave to get his progression back on track and play regularly. In a smaller team that can build a midfield to compliment him he can look a standout and have a good career, like Zaha for example. I just don’t think he’s got the all round attributes to ever be a starter in a team that will consistently compete for the top 4.

[SMAXXA]

How much more time can we give mallan??? It's safe to say that he's never going to cement any place at hibs and it's probably best for his own career if he finds a club that will give him a regular game.

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Don’t get the time side of things no like he’s not shown what he can do but this season has been haulted by injury. Most folk were saying the same about Hallberg recently now he’s playing every week in a team which has been doing fairly well.

FWIW I don’t think JR sees him as a starter in this squad but for me that doesn’t mean he’s a bad player or as has been said a championship player or maybe means he isn’t fitting I to the system of make us hard to beat type approach.

Btw I’m no a Mallan lover I like him and think he’s a decent player just don’t like to see folk turn on someone which in my mind is unfair

[BSEJVT]

Yep, add in the fact we paid a fee for him and he’ll be on a wage to match that fee and he’s an expensive luxury IMO, more so in these times. Think he’s reached the same point Shaw did in that he needs to leave to get his progression back on track and play regularly. In a smaller team that can build a midfield to compliment him he can look a standout and have a good career, like Zaha for example. I just don’t think he’s got the all round attributes to ever be a starter in a team that will consistently compete for the top 4.

I think there are 2 factors at play in why folk still rate Mallan:

1) His first season

2) His sub appearances

When Mallan comes on in certain games as a sub it is usually to replace a completely toiling midfield that is creating nothing.

Mallan is still a decent player with the ball at his feet, good range of passing, great if mostly unused now shot and decent set-piece delivery.

He is however the poorest athlete in this Hibs team by quite a significant distance and when we don't have the ball he is a man short.

If he is to have any chance of a decent career he need to play every week and get properly match fit and hopefully through this throw of those limitations which are so evident.

[badabing67]

Would it be worth our while to offer Thomas Robert a loan deal to the end of the season and pay Airdrie some compensation or similar it could give us the edge for his signature long term if we are interested in him.

[MrRobot]

I like Mallan. Imo the critism he gets is unfair and cruel. He is paid to look forward from midfield and he does that, playing forward passes and scoring goals. He isnt perfect but if he was he wouldnt be at Hibs

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I wouldn’t go as far as to say it’s cruel.

He gets criticised for not playing well and gets praise when he does. Unfortunately most of his games since that first season haven’t really been good enough, which is a shame cause he’s a likeable player.

He’s clearly got talent but just hasn’t been producing good enough displays to warrant being a first team starter.

[Stanton Spence]

Yep, add in the fact we paid a fee for him and he’ll be on a wage to match that fee and he’s an expensive luxury IMO, more so in these times. Think he’s reached the same point Shaw did in that he needs to leave to get his progression back on track and play regularly. In a smaller team that can build a midfield to compliment him he can look a standout and have a good career, like Zaha for example. I just don’t think he’s got the all round attributes to ever be a starter in a team that will consistently compete for the top 4.I reckon a move back to St mirren would benefit everyone. Frees up a good wage as you say and he will have a chance to play every week. St mirren seem to be backing Goodwin and seem to be showing a bit ambition just now.
I really wanted mallan to be a star at Easter road and I think we all thought he would be after the start he made but even he must know his times up with us when Ross preferred to start Jackson Irving who hadn't played a game in almost a year

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[Stanton Spence]

Don’t get the time side of things no like he’s not shown what he can do but this season has been haulted by injury. Most folk were saying the same about Hallberg recently now he’s playing every week in a team which has been doing fairly well.

FWIW I don’t think JR sees him as a starter in this squad but for me that doesn’t mean he’s a bad player or as has been said a championship player or maybe means he isn’t fitting I to the system of make us hard to beat type approach.

Btw I’m no a Mallan lover I like him and think he’s a decent player just don’t like to see folk turn on someone which in my mind is unfairI agree mate and as I've said I thought he was going to be a star at hibs but its just not happening or ever will imo

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[Magpie]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/stevie-mallan-update-hibs-midfielder-linked-temporary-easter-road-exit-3106482?fbclid=IwAR0E_ufNL8iztq0mN6_TKhrW3zQeOTRA9 NFTa9Q6F4-ghXC6jMMGIH5FM_U

Mallan to St Mirren not a thing according to this.

[brog]

I think there are 2 factors at play in why folk still rate Mallan:

1) His first season

2) His sub appearances

When Mallan comes on in certain games as a sub it is usually to replace a completely toiling midfield that is creating nothing.

Mallan is still a decent player with the ball at his feet, good range of passing, great if mostly unused now shot and decent set-piece delivery.

He is however the poorest athlete in this Hibs team by quite a significant distance and when we don't have the ball he is a man short.

If he is to have any chance of a decent career he need to play every week and get properly match fit and hopefully through this throw of those limitations which are so evident.

Do you have anything to back that comment up or is it just your opinion? Not having a go, genuinely interested. I ask because a year or 2 back I was told (from a good source) he had the best performance numbers in training in the squad & this season he was still one of the best.

[Jones28]

Hearts in for 23 year old 6'4 striker Elijah Adebayo from Walsall

Reverting to type.

Hooooooooof

[Hibee Mac]

Do you have anything to back that comment up or is it just your opinion? Not having a go, genuinely interested. I ask because a year or 2 back I was told (from a good source) he had the best performance numbers in training in the squad & this season he was still one of the best.I also saw something when we signed him about having one of the best bleep test (that what they are called?) stats in the Barnsley squad.

Trouble is, if that is true then there's something completely missing which is his ability to impose these "stats" on a midfield. This is the trouble with Mallan and the arguments for keeping him, they're all based on a blind view of some stats, be it training stats or goals from his first 3 months with us years ago. There is just no way that Mallan is one of our most athletically capable players in a game, it shouldn't even be up for debate if you ask me.

I would guess most people who don't rate him anymore are basing their opinions on their own eyes being at games (or watching from sofa this season).

[Stuart93]

Reverting to type.

Hooooooooof

To be honest, we’re playing a lot of eye bleeding hoofball just now too so not sure we’re in a position to have a pop at them for that

[flash]

To be honest, we’re playing a lot of eye bleeding hoofball just now too so not sure we’re in a position to have a pop at them for that

Am sure they are making the same point on Kickback.

[Stuart93]

Am sure they are making the same point on Kickback.

Who knows, they might well be

Just don’t think we’re in a position to criticise anyone’s style of play when ours has been pretty eye bleeding in the majority of games this season

[Jones28]

To be honest, we’re playing a lot of eye bleeding hoofball just now too so not sure we’re in a position to have a pop at them for that

I don't think there's been sustained long term long ball football, there has been at certain points of games to relieve pressure but a lot of our play has been decent, on the ground football.

[heid the baw]

Spot on, good post.

Problem mallan often found was he was being played as a holding midfielder which clearly isn’t his game. He’s a player with a lot of ability, seems a great pro and always comes across well I hope he has a future with hibs and cements a place in the side somewhere in time.
Totally agree, I think he's a great player and at 24 he has plenty of time. Punt him out now and you might find a lot of people regretting it in years to come.

[Stuart93]

I don't think there's been sustained long term long ball football, there has been at certain points of games to relieve pressure but a lot of our play has been decent, on the ground football.

Hmm not sure I agree. I say our plays been decent in very small doses. We all have our opinions I guess

[J-C]

I think Mallan is suffering from a severe lack of confidence, you can see from his body language that he doesn't have that same spring in his step or that big beaming smile, he's also had a couple of injuries that can be a factor to confidence. The big question is do we keep a player who is obviously very talented but use him purely as an impact sub, or if he isn't in Ross's plans maybe for the sake of his own career we allow him to move on.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Only Goram and Leighton are better than Marciano, a lot better too.

I liked Williams and Anderson, but don’t think they were really any better than even Colgan.

Ronnie Simpson was better as was Jim Heriot

[superfurryhibby]

Ronnie Simpson was better as was Jim Heriot

Maybe, but you’re going back 50 years since Herriot signed and over 55 years since Simpson left for Celtic.

[04Sauzee]

Kamberi could be on the move to Bochun in Germany on loan after appearing 9 times for his current club and failing to score.

[Earlydelivery]

Ronnie Simpson was better as was Jim Heriot
Jim Herriot was one of the reasons why we couldn’t get a title over the line in the early 70s

[blackpoolhibs]

Jim Herriot was one of the reasons why we couldn’t get a title over the line in the early 70s

Jim was a good keeper, we had a very good team. There was a fantastic team in Glasgow that stopped us winning the league, that was the main reason.

It is easy to say he was one of the reasons, the other one who normally gets the blame is Jim Black, but in my opinion it is the easy option to blame one or two of the players as the reason we did not win the league, you still need to replace those players with better.

Brownlie breaking his leg, Edwards getting in trouble and suspended were contributing factors too.

And you still need the team that qualified for another European cup final to not play as well, or lose a couple of their better players too.

We were good, they were better. :boo hoo:

[Lago]

Totally agree, I think he's a great player and at 24 he has plenty of time. Punt him out now and you might find a lot of people regretting it in years to come.
Completely agree

[04Sauzee]

Former Rangers and Hibs forward Florian Kamberi is in talks with VfL Bochum, for a possible loan move from St Gallen.

A number of English Championship sides are also interested in the 25-year-old.

Bochum are second in the 2. Bundesliga.

[SaulGoodman]

Who knows, they might well be

Just don’t think we’re in a position to criticise anyone’s style of play when ours has been pretty eye bleeding in the majority of games this season

If we can’t have pops at their expense while we’re sitting 3rd and they’re down in the championship when can we?

[Stuart93]

If we can’t have pops at their expense while we’re sitting 3rd and they’re down in the championship when can we?

We can definitely have pops but with regards to their style of play when ours has been, in majority of games this season, quite poor, I’m no so sure

[Stuart93]

Former Rangers and Hibs forward Florian Kamberi is in talks with VfL Bochum, for a possible loan move from St Gallen.

A number of English Championship sides are also interested in the 25-year-old.

Bochum are second in the 2. Bundesliga.

The boys agent is top notch.

[Newcastlehibby]

Jim was a good keeper, we had a very good team. There was a fantastic team in Glasgow that stopped us winning the league, that was the main reason.

It is easy to say he was one of the reasons, the other one who normally gets the blame is Jim Black, but in my opinion it is the easy option to blame one or two of the players as the reason we did not win the league, you still need to replace those players with better.

Brownlie breaking his leg, Edwards getting in trouble and suspended were contributing factors too.

And you still need the team that qualified for another European cup final to not play as well, or lose a couple of their better players too.

We were good, they were better. :boo hoo:

I agree. Plus the fact that when a player was out, we didn’t have anyone of the same quality to replace them with.

[Earlydelivery]

Jim was a good keeper, we had a very good team. There was a fantastic team in Glasgow that stopped us winning the league, that was the main reason.

It is easy to say he was one of the reasons, the other one who normally gets the blame is Jim Black, but in my opinion it is the easy option to blame one or two of the players as the reason we did not win the league, you still need to replace those players with better.

Brownlie breaking his leg, Edwards getting in trouble and suspended were contributing factors too.

And you still need the team that qualified for another European cup final to not play as well, or lose a couple of their better players too.

We were good, they were better. :boo hoo:
Beezer if we had Ronnie Simpson in goals and either Greig or McNeil at centre half we would have won that league 3 or 4 times m8

[JimBHibees]

Beezer if we had Ronnie Simpson in goals and either Greig or McNeil at centre half we would have won that league 3 or 4 times m8

Greig was a full back.

[Earlydelivery]

Greig was a full back.
Greig could play in goals he was that good

[Jonnyboy]

Greig could play in goals he was that good

One of my favourite memories of that time is of a Rangers v Hibs game when Greig was performing as normal in kicking any Hibs player in range, until that is he tried it on with John Blackley. There’s a fabulous photo that captured the aftermath of that coming together. It shows Greig writhing on the ground in agony whilst Blackley wanders off.

[BSEJVT]

Do you have anything to back that comment up or is it just your opinion? Not having a go, genuinely interested. I ask because a year or 2 back I was told (from a good source) he had the best performance numbers in training in the squad & this season he was still one of the best.

No I don't it is just my opinion

I think he is a shadow of the player he was

He won't (or can't) track a runner

It's a long time if at all since I have seen have run off someone (anyone) and leave them behind

He can't jump can't header and can't tackle.

I feel heart sorry for the guy, he has so much ability but IMO is badly constrained by his fitness / physique.

I would love the Mallan we initially got back but IMO he needs to play regularly for that to be even remotely possible.

Maybe if he did so picked up match fitness and got his confidence back he could but time is running out.

Maybe with his injury problems he is frightened to really trust his fitness and let rip, Magennis & Wright and Mackie, could also be in that boat after serious injuries?

I am sure someone else posted that they had been told the management were very unimpressed with his fitness/application?

Whether they are right or you are and I am spouting nonsense again I wouldn't know but that's how it looks to me.

I desperately don't want the guy to fail and hope he can turn it around, but IMO he is a mile off starting regularly and that for a manager who has seen him at his best

[BSEJVT]

Jim was a good keeper, we had a very good team. There was a fantastic team in Glasgow that stopped us winning the league, that was the main reason.

It is easy to say he was one of the reasons, the other one who normally gets the blame is Jim Black, but in my opinion it is the easy option to blame one or two of the players as the reason we did not win the league, you still need to replace those players with better.

Brownlie breaking his leg, Edwards getting in trouble and suspended were contributing factors too.

And you still need the team that qualified for another European cup final to not play as well, or lose a couple of their better players too.

We were good, they were better. :boo hoo:

10/10

If you hadn't lived through that time and only became interested in football post say 1990 it would be very hard to believe that for 10 years either side of the Tornadoes a good few Scottish teams had excellent European records and regularly beat their English counterparts.

[gbhibby]

One of my favourite memories of that time is of a Rangers v Hibs game when Greig was performing as normal in kicking any Hibs player in range, until that is he tried it on with John Blackley. There’s a fabulous photo that captured the aftermath of that coming together. It shows Greig writhing on the ground in agony whilst Blackley wanders off.
Remember it well. Also remember a guy on a supporters bus started singing the hills are alive from the sound of music and when it came to the line the hills are with the sound of music it was replaced with the sound of John Greig a barsteward. Those were the days.

[superfurryhibby]

Greig could play in goals he was that good

Watching a lot of old football and Greig was obviously a very good footballer. My memories of him are from the 70’s and whilst still effective, I think his best days were behind him. He was a left back in the Rangers sides I remember, but I’m sure he also played in midfield or central defence in his younger days?

[Bangkok Hibby]

Watching a lot of old football and Greig was obviously a very good footballer. My memories of him are from the 70’s and whilst still effective, I think his best days were behind him. He was a left back in the Rangers sides I remember, but I’m sure he also played in midfield or central defence in his younger days?

I'm sure I remember him in the right half position

[brog]

No I don't it is just my opinion

I think he is a shadow of the player he was

He won't (or can't) track a runner

It's a long time if at all since I have seen have run off someone (anyone) and leave them behind

He can't jump can't header and can't tackle.

I feel heart sorry for the guy, he has so much ability but IMO is badly constrained by his fitness / physique.

I would love the Mallan we initially got back but IMO he needs to play regularly for that to be even remotely possible.

Maybe if he did so picked up match fitness and got his confidence back he could but time is running out.

Maybe with his injury problems he is frightened to really trust his fitness and let rip, Magennis & Wright and Mackie, could also be in that boat after serious injuries?

I am sure someone else posted that they had been told the management were very unimpressed with his fitness/application?

Whether they are right or you are and I am spouting nonsense again I wouldn't know but that's how it looks to me.

I desperately don't want the guy to fail and hope he can turn it around, but IMO he is a mile off starting regularly and that for a manager who has seen him at his best

Appreciate your comments but to me you just described Hallberg rather than Mallan. I just watched Saturday's highlights again. For our 1st goal, Murphy holds the ball up really well while Doig makes a great run to cross the ball. Meanwhile Hallberg is standing 10 yards behind Murphy making no effort to get involved. Doig starts 30 yards behind him & ends up 20 yards in front of him!!
Opinions huh!

[jacomo]

Appreciate your comments but to me you just described Hallberg rather than Mallan. I just watched Saturday's highlights again. For our 1st goal, Murphy holds the ball up really well while Doig makes a great run to cross the ball. Meanwhile Hallberg is standing 10 yards behind Murphy making no effort to get involved. Doig starts 30 yards behind him & ends up 20 yards in front of him!!
Opinions huh!


Harsh I think. Overall Hallberg had his best game for a while on Saturday.

[Northernhibee]

Harsh I think. Overall Hallberg had his best game for a while on Saturday.

I think he’s had a really good season.

[Since452]

I think he’s had a really good season.

So do i. Think he's a very decent player.

[brog]

Harsh I think. Overall Hallberg had his best game for a while on Saturday.

I agree, he was more involved than I've ever seen him. It was only this specific incident that I just noticed.

[BSEJVT]

[QUOTE=brog;6427644]Appreciate your comments but to me you just described Hallberg rather than Mallan. I just watched Saturday's highlights again. For our 1st goal, Murphy holds the ball up really well while Doig makes a great run to cross the ball. Meanwhile Hallberg is standing 10 yards behind Murphy making no effort to get involved. Doig starts 30 yards behind him & ends up 20 yards in front of him!!
Opinions huh![/Q

I wouldn't know but it may have been the plan that Hallberg sat to let Doig go forward, with Irvine also ahead of them both, someone needed to mind the back door?

I think that Mallan's problems arent as graphically exposed going forward either with or to run onto the ball as they are chasing backwards.

Any of us who have ever played football at any level whatsoever know that running onto or with a ball is a lot lot easier than chasing one back.

I hope it is lack of confidence in his fitness and a consequent lack of fitness that makes him look like he is wading through treacle trying to keep up with someone or chasing them back towards his own goal, if it is lack of desire he is goosed.

Part way through his first season I saw him breaking into the Scotland squad, unless he is very careful he will be struggling to break into the Hibs squad soon when other folk start getting fit.

[Greenbeard]

I agree, he was more involved than I've ever seen him. It was only this specific incident that I just noticed.
You can be involved to a fairly significant degree yet stiil not provide a significant contribution. Such was Hallberg on Sat in my admittedly insignificant opinion.

[Mikey]

One of my favourite memories of that time is of a Rangers v Hibs game when Greig was performing as normal in kicking any Hibs player in range, until that is he tried it on with John Blackley. There’s a fabulous photo that captured the aftermath of that coming together. It shows Greig writhing on the ground in agony whilst Blackley wanders off.

Here ye go.........

24256

[SonOfDavidFrancey]

Remember it well. Also remember a guy on a supporters bus started singing the hills are alive from the sound of music and when it came to the line the hills are with the sound of music it was replaced with the sound of John Greig a barsteward. Those were the days.

That was a chant aimed at Tommy Gemmell as well, he said the boy that delivered the milk used to sing sing it outside his house every morning

[superfurryhibby]

I'm sure I remember him in the right half position

Quite probably so. Is right half an olde worlde term for right sided central midfield?

Wiki says this "Greig actually started his career with Rangers as a forward, prior to being moved back to midfield—playing initially alongside another Rangers legend in Jim Baxter—and finally to left back. It was therefore in those initial years that he scored the majority of his goals for the club".

44 caps for Scotland, pretty good going given the all time record back then was George Young on c 53 caps.

[Greenbeard]

Here ye go.........

24256
That's the position I have to adopt every morning these days to get my socks on! The pained look is the same too!!

[Lago]

10/10

If you hadn't lived through that time and only became interested in football post say 1990 it would be very hard to believe that for 10 years either side of the Tornadoes a good few Scottish teams had excellent European records and regularly beat their English counterparts.
How true.

[brog]

[QUOTE=BSEJVT;6427682][QUOTE=brog;6427644]Appreciate your comments but to me you just described Hallberg rather than Mallan. I just watched Saturday's highlights again. For our 1st goal, Murphy holds the ball up really well while Doig makes a great run to cross the ball. Meanwhile Hallberg is standing 10 yards behind Murphy making no effort to get involved. Doig starts 30 yards behind him & ends up 20 yards in front of him!!
Opinions huh![/Q

I wouldn't know but it may have been the plan that Hallberg sat to let Doig go forward, with Irvine also ahead of them both, someone needed to mind the back door?

I'm referring to our 1st goal. Hallberg was just outside the Killie box but just stood directly behind Murphy while he waited to make the pass. As I said I think Hallberg played his best game for us on Saturday. I was only musing that your comments on Mallan very much fitted my thoughts on the majority of Hallberg's games in a Hibs shirt.

[hhibs]

Jim was a good keeper, we had a very good team. There was a fantastic team in Glasgow that stopped us winning the league, that was the main reason.

It is easy to say he was one of the reasons, the other one who normally gets the blame is Jim Black, but in my opinion it is the easy option to blame one or two of the players as the reason we did not win the league, you still need to replace those players with better.

Brownlie breaking his leg, Edwards getting in trouble and suspended were contributing factors too.

And you still need the team that qualified for another European cup final to not play as well, or lose a couple of their better players too.

We were good, they were better. :boo hoo:



Mostly agree, but the Brownlie broken leg combined with Edwards incredible harsh suspension .was for 8 or 10 games ? really derailed us.

Our "friends" in the West made bloody sure we wouldn't win the league with the Edwards suspension.

[H18S NX]

That's the position I have to adopt every morning these days to get my socks on! The pained look is the same too!!
Snap,Rheumatoid arthritis is a b@@@@r.

[brog]

Quite probably so. Is right half an olde worlde term for right sided central midfield?

Wiki says this "Greig actually started his career with Rangers as a forward, prior to being moved back to midfield—playing initially alongside another Rangers legend in Jim Baxter—and finally to left back. It was therefore in those initial years that he scored the majority of his goals for the club".

44 caps for Scotland, pretty good going given the all time record back then was George Young on c 53 caps.

Greig only played left back at the end. He moved from right half to right back & filled in at left back IIRC when the 1st Davie Provan broke his leg.

[BSEJVT]

[QUOTE=BSEJVT;6427682][QUOTE=brog;6427644]Appreciate your comments but to me you just described Hallberg rather than Mallan. I just watched Saturday's highlights again. For our 1st goal, Murphy holds the ball up really well while Doig makes a great run to cross the ball. Meanwhile Hallberg is standing 10 yards behind Murphy making no effort to get involved. Doig starts 30 yards behind him & ends up 20 yards in front of him!!
Opinions huh![/Q

I wouldn't know but it may have been the plan that Hallberg sat to let Doig go forward, with Irvine also ahead of them both, someone needed to mind the back door?

I'm referring to our 1st goal. Hallberg was just outside the Killie box but just stood directly behind Murphy while he waited to make the pass. As I said I think Hallberg played his best game for us on Saturday. I was only musing that your comments on Mallan very much fitted my thoughts on the majority of Hallberg's games in a Hibs shirt.

It is funny how different players doing apparently similar things extract different emotions from folk about their respective merits or the lack thereof.

Our conflicting views on Mallan & Hallberg being a great example.

I have always been harder on folk with what I think to be unfulfilled ability than on folk who were obviously giving their best but weren't anywhere near as good.

I think that comes from having it drummed into my when I was young don't let yourself down, try try and try again.

I think that has a lot to do with how I view Mallan, I think of him as an unfulfilled talent and rightly or wrongly think that he is at least in part responsible for that talent not being fulfilled.

Only Mallan & Ross (and his staff) will know the truth or otherwise of that view.

Conversely, I am more disposed to be a bit easier on the likes of Wright, if he is trying (and IMO he patently is) and failing then that's all we can ask and it is the manager's responsibility for picking him

[Ray_]

Jim was a good keeper, we had a very good team. There was a fantastic team in Glasgow that stopped us winning the league, that was the main reason.

It is easy to say he was one of the reasons, the other one who normally gets the blame is Jim Black, but in my opinion it is the easy option to blame one or two of the players as the reason we did not win the league, you still need to replace those players with better.

Brownlie breaking his leg, Edwards getting in trouble and suspended were contributing factors too.

And you still need the team that qualified for another European cup final to not play as well, or lose a couple of their better players too.

We were good, they were better. :boo hoo:

I agree with this and also we had the first 12 players and then youngsters, when Onion had the double leg break Des Bremner, who had been playing Highland league 2-3 month earlier took his place and the like's of Bobby Smith and Tony Higgins came in, all good players but nowhere near filling in for the players they came in for & as today, Celtic and Rangers had quality back up. Squad wise, we are much better now in replacing first team although the first team are miles apart from the TT's :not worth

[Jonnyboy]

Here ye go.........

24256

That’s the one, Mike ✅

[blackpoolhibs]

Beezer if we had Ronnie Simpson in goals and either Greig or McNeil at centre half we would have won that league 3 or 4 times m8

Beezer, not heard that in years. :greengrin Why would Greig or McNeil have signed for us? Maybe if we had McNeil as our centre half, turnbull might have brought in Jim Black to replace him, like he brought in Harper to replace Jimmy O'Rourke?:wink:

[SonOfDavidFrancey]

Remember it well. Also remember a guy on a supporters bus started singing the hills are alive from the sound of music and when it came to the line the hills are with the sound of music it was replaced with the sound of John Greig a barsteward. Those were the days.

That was a chant aimed at Tommy Gemmell as well, he said the boy that delivered the milk used to sing sing it outside his house every morning

[tamig]

Quite probably so. Is right half an olde worlde term for right sided central midfield?

Wiki says this "Greig actually started his career with Rangers as a forward, prior to being moved back to midfield—playing initially alongside another Rangers legend in Jim Baxter—and finally to left back. It was therefore in those initial years that he scored the majority of his goals for the club".

44 caps for Scotland, pretty good going given the all time record back then was George Young on c 53 caps.

I think that was in the days when the SFA routinely capped OF players over any other clubs. The caps amassed by our Famous Five would have been much much more if it was based on form and merit.

[Earlydelivery]

Beezer, not heard that in years. :greengrin Why would Greig or McNeil have signed for us? Maybe if we had McNeil as our centre half, turnbull might have brought in Jim Black to replace him, like he brought in Harper to replace Jimmy O'Rourke?:wink:
What I said was if we had McNeil or Greig instead of black we would’ve had better chance of winning the league ... black and Herriot where without doubt our two weakest links Beezer 😂😂😂

[brog]

[QUOTE=brog;6427728][QUOTE=BSEJVT;6427682]

It is funny how different players doing apparently similar things extract different emotions from folk about their respective merits or the lack thereof.

Our conflicting views on Mallan & Hallberg being a great example.

I have always been harder on folk with what I think to be unfulfilled ability than on folk who were obviously giving their best but weren't anywhere near as good.

I think that comes from having it drummed into my when I was young don't let yourself down, try try and try again.

I think that has a lot to do with how I view Mallan, I think of him as an unfulfilled talent and rightly or wrongly think that he is at least in part responsible for that talent not being fulfilled.

Only Mallan & Ross (and his staff) will know the truth or otherwise of that view.

Conversely, I am more disposed to be a bit easier on the likes of Wright, if he is trying (and IMO he patently is) and failing then that's all we can ask and it is the manager's responsibility for picking him

I'm with you on pretty much everything you say there. My main defence of Mallan is he's not really had an opportunity to show what he can do since the 1st half of last season, when the whole team was poor. Personally I would love to see every Hibs player performing to the best of their ability.

[ancient hibee]

When John Greig played Boys Club in Edinburgh (Crossroads if my memory is right)he was a small tricky inside forward with bags of skill. Rangers soon changed that and played him at wing half but he was always the hard tackling one rather than the ball player.He had a good career-never gave up.

[wandering_hibee]

I agree with this and also we had the first 12 players and then youngsters, when Onion had the double leg break Des Bremner, who had been playing Highland league 2-3 month earlier took his place and the like's of Bobby Smith and Tony Higgins came in, all good players but nowhere near filling in for the players they came in for & as today, Celtic and Rangers had quality back up. Squad wise, we are much better now in replacing first team although the first team are miles apart from the TT's :not worth
Totally agree, we had the best team in Scotland,, IMO, but only if we could play he same 11 every game. The substitutes were no where near the same quality.
Also agree about the Brownlee leg break and Edwards ban, which was ridiculously long, left us seriously hampered.

[superfurryhibby]

When John Greig played Boys Club in Edinburgh (Crossroads if my memory is right)he was a small tricky inside forward with bags of skill. Rangers soon changed that and played him at wing half but he was always the hard tackling one rather than the ball player.He had a good career-never gave up.

What was the difference between wing half and an inside forward?

[BSEJVT]

What was the difference between wing half and an inside forward?

30 yards further back?

Really don’t know so not trying to be smart

[007]

That was a chant aimed at Tommy Gemmell as well, he said the boy that delivered the milk used to sing sing it outside his house every morning

You can say that again.

[1620]

30 yards further back?

Really don’t know so not trying to be smart

In these days the formation was 2/3/5.
The wing halves played either side in the 3 and the inside forwards played each side of the centre forward

[Brightside]

This thread has gone miles off track. :greengrin:greengrin

[J-C]

In these days the formation was 2/3/5.
The wing halves played either side in the 3 and the inside forwards played each side of the centre forward


So really 4123 with attacking wingbacks, the inverted xmas tree.

[BSEJVT]

In these days the formation was 2/3/5.
The wing halves played either side in the 3 and the inside forwards played each side of the centre forward

Thanks

[brog]

In these days the formation was 2/3/5.
The wing halves played either side in the 3 and the inside forwards played each side of the centre forward


The engine room players, e.g. Turnbull or Combe could really be called either a wing half or an inside forward. Similarly in more recent times to Stanton or SJM, whereas Bobby Johnstone or Scott Allan could only be described as inside forwards.

[Hibbyradge]

Snap,Rheumatoid arthritis is a b@@@@r.

It's also a bugger :wink:

[brog]

When John Greig played Boys Club in Edinburgh (Crossroads if my memory is right)he was a small tricky inside forward with bags of skill. Rangers soon changed that and played him at wing half but he was always the hard tackling one rather than the ball player.He had a good career-never gave up.

I used to play 2 a side football on a Sunday night at Crossroads with John Greig, Pat Stanton, 4 others who all turned pro & occasionally Kenny Buchanan. Pat's cousin Jimmy (Mickey) McManus was the best player by far. For some reason no one seemed that keen to be my partner!! 😁

[FilipinoHibs]

This thread has gone miles off track. :greengrin:greengrin

Yes I thought I was on the wrong thread: "Why the Tornadoes never achieved true greatness". I always thought it was because of our 4-3-3 and defensive midfield and how we always wanted to go forward.

[Percy Vere]

Any rumours about players this decade?

[04Sauzee]

Any rumours about players this decade?

Could be an interesting last 10 days or son with JR saying he's hopeful of getting in another couple of players in with maybe a few bodies moving the other way which may be loans or permanents.

Wonder what positions he's looking to fill.

[worcesterhibby]

Could be an interesting last 10 days or son with JR saying he's hopeful of getting in another couple of players in with maybe a few bodies moving the other way which may be loans or permanents.

Wonder what positions he's looking to fill.

if we could pull another quality striker out of the bag, you’ve got to think that 2nd isn’t impossible. If Lennon stays they are heading for absolute freefall.

[ancient hibee]

I used to play 2 a side football on a Sunday night at Crossroads with John Greig, Pat Stanton, 4 others who all turned pro & occasionally Kenny Buchanan. Pat's cousin Jimmy (Mickey) McManus was the best player by far. For some reason no one seemed that keen to be my partner!! 😁
I used to go when it was still at Coupar Street school.Two a side with a woollen rag ball. Proudest moment when my pal and I won the tournament one night and Eric Gardiner took us to the canteen for a free choice. I left when I joined the BB.Not enough nights in the week.

[CMurdoch]

I used to play 2 a side football on a Sunday night at Crossroads with John Greig, Pat Stanton, 4 others who all turned pro & occasionally Kenny Buchanan. Pat's cousin Jimmy (Mickey) McManus was the best player by far. For some reason no one seemed that keen to be my partner!! ��

Wow Brog! Great story
There was a Jimmy McManus that moved from Edinburgh Norton and signed for Dundee Utd and later Falkirk.
Is it the same guy?

[Scott Allan Key]

I used to play 2 a side football on a Sunday night at Crossroads with John Greig, Pat Stanton, 4 others who all turned pro & occasionally Kenny Buchanan. Pat's cousin Jimmy (Mickey) McManus was the best player by far. For some reason no one seemed that keen to be my partner!! [emoji16]So John Greig was an Edinburgh man?

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[Lancs Harp]

So John Greig was an Edinburgh man?

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Yes, I think he grew up a Hearts fan if I remember rightly.

[Scott Allan Key]

Yes, I think he grew up a Hearts fan if I remember rightly.Just goes to show. People wrap themselves up in a particular clubs colours and I just assumed he was a Weedgie.

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[hibee_nation]

John Greig was a radio pundit on that famous day at Dens in 86 you could tell he was gutted when Sir Albert slotted in the second goal. Pleasing.

[greenginger]

So John Greig was an Edinburgh man?

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When he retired from football he had a shop, newsagents or sports shop can’t remember , on Comiston Road up from Morningside Station.

[Del Boy]

Rumour that stevie mallan being allowed to go out on loan this month

[houstonhibbee]

Yes, I think he grew up a Hearts fan if I remember rightly.
I think Greig and sandy jardine both lived by liberton brae

[houstonhibbee]

When he retired from football he had a shop, newsagents or sports shop can’t remember , on Comiston Road up from Morningside Station.
I lived up there for 30 years and don’t remember that. Can’t think of any sports shops except maybe a ski shop

[green day]

I think Greig and sandy jardine both lived by liberton brae

Yep for Sandy J.

IIRC Sandy used to pop into Leslies Bar now and then.

[WoreTheGreen]

I think Greig and sandy jardine both lived by liberton brae

Correct JG stayed at Little Road ( I use to deliver his paper) and SJ stayed st Orcharhead Road

[MrSmith]

So John Greig was an Edinburgh man?

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Appears so as he lived on little road round the corner from Gracemount Drive.

[MrSmith]

Correct JG stayed at Little Road ( I use to deliver his paper) and SJ stayed st Orcharhead Road

SJ did because Peter Collins got him in to train us with Gracemount Rovers at the old Dr Guthrie’s complex on Lasswade Road.

[WoreTheGreen]

SJ did because Peter Collins got him in to train us with Gracemount Rovers at the old Dr Guthrie’s complex on Lasswade Road.

Gracemount Rovers that takes me back . A few decent players came from them .I still remember the bus accident on the way back from a tournament down south

[flash]

As much as I am enjoying reading all this old chat, and I genuinely am, you guys are killing me. I saw there were 2 new pages on this thread and thought we had ourselves a new striker.
Anyway we don't so ignore me and carry on.

[calumhibee1]

Does the window close on the 31st?

[blackpoolhibs]

Greig had a sports shop on the royal mile, quite near the bottom.

Windows always seemed to be boarded up for some reason? :wink: