Scott Allan - signs a 4 year deal with Celtic

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Check out the first comment........

"If we assume the following - 1) Hibs could desperatly do with the 300K transfer fee. ( they can not just give up an easy 300K ) 2) The player has told Hibs he wants to go to Rangers and will sit tight until Jan if need be. 3) Hibs are realistic and understand that the chances of beating Rangers the championship are slim to none. The only conclusion here is that Hibs and there Fans are so Anti Rangers that they would do anything and everything to stop the transfer. it is not sound business and is very bad to think that there could be another agenda here that involves Hibs doing anything and everything to stick it go Rangers. As a Glasgow boy looking back in, it is shocking to me that this type of Anti Rangers hatred and behaviour is prevelant in todays society."

Wow

Just wow

Where do I start......:greengrin

[Alex Trager]

You're probably technically correct. But in most instances, the rejection of a bid is usually because it is too low and the selling club is establishing a negotiating posture. I think we are a different ballgame here because we have publicly stated that Sevco are making hostile and unwelcome bids. I don't think we should go crying to the authorities but the aggressive nature of their behaviour should be attracting their attention. What they do about it is another thing altogether.

Yeah I suppose mate

[Viva_Palmeiras]

"If we assume the following - 1) Hibs could desperatly do with the 300K transfer fee. ( they can not just give up an easy 300K ) 2) The player has told Hibs he wants to go to Rangers and will sit tight until Jan if need be. 3) Hibs are realistic and understand that the chances of beating Rangers the championship are slim to none. The only conclusion here is that Hibs and there Fans are so Anti Rangers that they would do anything and everything to stop the transfer. it is not sound business and is very bad to think that there could be another agenda here that involves Hibs doing anything and everything to stick it go Rangers. As a Glasgow boy looking back in, it is shocking to me that this type of Anti Rangers hatred and behaviour is prevelant in todays society."

Wow

Just wow

Where do I start......:greengrin


We just turned down 3 bids. I thought it was the other Glasgow mob that had the monopoly on conspiracies.

#TheKlingons

[Iain G]

"If we assume the following - 1) Hibs could desperatly do with the 300K transfer fee. ( they can not just give up an easy 300K ) 2) The player has told Hibs he wants to go to Rangers and will sit tight until Jan if need be. 3) Hibs are realistic and understand that the chances of beating Rangers the championship are slim to none. The only conclusion here is that Hibs and there Fans are so Anti Rangers that they would do anything and everything to stop the transfer. it is not sound business and is very bad to think that there could be another agenda here that involves Hibs doing anything and everything to stick it go Rangers. As a Glasgow boy looking back in, it is shocking to me that this type of Anti Rangers hatred and behaviour is prevelant in todays society."

Wow

Just wow

Where do I start......:greengrin

If this isn't someone at teh wind up then I do despair...only one step away from calling this sectarianism in that post!!

[CRAZYHIBBY]

Rangers 3rd bid is nothing more than an attempt to unsettle us before the big kick off ....same as last time. ....hibs have no choice but to tell them no otherwise they will look like fools

[Blaster]

Sorry if it's earlier in the thread but Rotherham have allegedly bid £400k. On the bbc gossip page

[CRAZYHIBBY]

Sorry if it's earlier in the thread but Rotherham have allegedly bid £400k. On the bbc gossip page

Ill take him there myself

[HH81]

Ill take him there myself

Drop him on the M62 I will finish the rest of it.

[ALF TUPPER]

I see a Hibby on twitter is twatting about Rotherham bid of £400k for SA.

So long as it's not Sevco eh ? 😂

Sillyseason


Edit: sorry, seems it's old news

[duffers]

Drop him on the M62 I will finish the rest of it.

Hibs put a valuation of 1.5 million on him did they not? I know they would obviously sell for a bit less but I would definitely be disappointed if we sold him for 400k. He's still our best player, and I'd rather have him in my team than not.

[duffers]

Also, if we rejected a 400k bid from Rotherham, Sevco would maybe see how far they are off the mark. Although no doubt only to come back with a 4th bid of 325.

[LancsHibs]

It would seem that the best result for Hibs would be to sell to an English club, with a clause in the deal that he can't be loaned to the club known as Rangers for 1 year.

[I'm_cabbaged]

It would seem that the best result for Hibs would be to sell to an English club, with a clause in the deal that he can't be loaned to the club known as Rangers for 1 year.

And not a verbal agreement 😉

[Heisenberg]

If we are going to sell him it'll be down south or to Celtc. I would be happy with anything above 500k up front in either situation. Sevco need to pay at least double that to get him this season in my opinion.

[Johnny Clash]

Sorry if it's earlier in the thread but Rotherham have allegedly bid £400k. On the bbc gossip page

'The Mighty Millers' might be a good shop window for Scott Allan and a give him another chance to show what he can do in a club that's on the up due to serious cash injection from investors a few years ago - over £30 million on players plus £20million on their new stadium.
(Incidentally, they still idolise ex player Bobby Williamson down there!)

Whereas selling Scotty Allan to our main challengers would be utter madness!

[J-C]

Sorry if it's earlier in the thread but Rotherham have allegedly bid £400k. On the bbc gossip page



This just maybe the start of the bidding process with others now joining in.

[Waxy]

Transfer deadline day could be interesting.

[Blaster]

This just maybe the start of the bidding process with others now joining in.

Hopefully although not sure he will sign for an English club. Maybe if he thinks it's that bad where he is he has to move and knows it won't be to the Rangers this season?? I would take anything from 500k now except from them of course!

[J-C]

Hopefully although not sure he will sign for an English club. Maybe if he thinks it's that bad where he is he has to move and knows it won't be to the Rangers this season?? I would take anything from 500k now except from them of course!


In his interview at La Manga he stated he would see out his contract and he wanted another crack at England, I see someone has mentioned Wigan but can't see him wanting to go there.

[Winston Ingram]

I'd be tempted to flog him to Rotherham for £400k on the proviso it's a 5 year deal with a substantial penalty clause in it if he is ever sold to the Huns:greengrin

[Springbank]

Hopefully although not sure he will sign for an English club. Maybe if he thinks it's that bad where he is he has to move and knows it won't be to the Rangers this season?? I would take anything from 500k now except from them of course!

Sorry to burst the speculation bubble, it's fun to speculate on other teams transfer targets (who the **** are Rotherham BTW)

but I'm a Hibs fan and Scott Allan is going to win the league this season, with Hibs

That would be my focus

[bigwheel]

Sorry to burst the speculation bubble, it's fun to speculate on other teams transfer targets (who the **** are Rotherham BTW)

but I'm a Hibs fan and Scott Allan is going to win the league this season, with Hibs

That would be my focus


I'm 100% with you on this one..." Scott, Knuckle down, work hard, you're going nowhere. Play well and earn yourself a whole set of options for next season......."

[Stokesy's on fire]

"If we assume the following - 1) Hibs could desperatly do with the 300K transfer fee. ( they can not just give up an easy 300K ) 2) The player has told Hibs he wants to go to Rangers and will sit tight until Jan if need be. 3) Hibs are realistic and understand that the chances of beating Rangers the championship are slim to none. The only conclusion here is that Hibs and there Fans are so Anti Rangers that they would do anything and everything to stop the transfer. it is not sound business and is very bad to think that there could be another agenda here that involves Hibs doing anything and everything to stick it go Rangers. As a Glasgow boy looking back in, it is shocking to me that this type of Anti Rangers hatred and behaviour is prevelant in todays society."

Wow

Just wow

Where do I start......:greengrin

Good old Sevco with a sense of expectation. for a 3 year old team...

[FranckSuzy]

"If we assume the following - 1) Hibs could desperatly do with the 300K transfer fee. ( they can not just give up an easy 300K ) 2) The player has told Hibs he wants to go to Rangers and will sit tight until Jan if need be. 3) Hibs are realistic and understand that the chances of beating Rangers the championship are slim to none. The only conclusion here is that Hibs and there Fans are so Anti Rangers that they would do anything and everything to stop the transfer. it is not sound business and is very bad to think that there could be another agenda here that involves Hibs doing anything and everything to stick it go Rangers. As a Glasgow boy looking back in, it is shocking to me that this type of Anti Rangers hatred and behaviour is prevelant in todays society."

Wow

Just wow

Where do I start......:greengrin

I'm probably in the minority here but I think it's wonderful the State Hospital, Carstairs, allows inmates the use of stationery/stamps and that the Herald are willing to help rehabilitate the poor creatures by publishing their psycotic rantings :agree:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Sorry if it's earlier in the thread but Rotherham have allegedly bid £400k. On the bbc gossip page

Thats One Direction for him to head in I suppose! :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Thats One Direction for him to head in I suppose! :greengrin

Doncaster I think.:greengrin

Think Rotherham are managed by that excitable Scottish manager Steve Evans. Hopefully no Rangers connection with him to get Allan to Ibrox. Good set up at Rotherham would be a decent move for Allan

[Stevie Reid]

Apologies if this point has already been made, but can you imagine the reaction if the roles were somehow reversed? If Allan were a Hibs fan, playing for Rangers, just been awarded Championship Player of the Year, talking about how happy he was to stay? Rangers state that they want £1.5M for him and announce emphatically that they will not sell to Hibs, yet we we continually come back with derisory bids. Can you imagine the mocking that we would get in the press?

My Dad was saying last night that he's never known press coverage of a transfer story to be so biased and weighted towards one team - and he's right.

[IWasThere2016]

http://m.heraldscotland.com/sport/13573614.Rangers_return_to_the_table_for_a_third_t ime_in_a_bid_to_land_Allan/?ref=ebls


Check out the first comment........

Aye it - I mean he - is a belter :greengrin

[Bishop Hibee]

As I've said before on this thread, a bid of 500,000 from anyone not In the Scottish Championship should be accepted by Hibs. Good money for a player who wants away in the last year of his contract.

I'd be happier if he stayed and helped us win the league though.

[E10 Rifle]

Doncaster I think.:greengrin

Think Rotherham are managed by that excitable Scottish manager Steve Evans. Hopefully no Rangers connection with him to get Allan to Ibrox. Good set up at Rotherham would be a decent move for Allan

Evans is an utter bellend of a man - so is probably a Hun.

[HH81]

Sorry to burst the speculation bubble, it's fun to speculate on other teams transfer targets (who the **** are Rotherham BTW)

but I'm a Hibs fan and Scott Allan is going to win the league this season, with Hibs

That would be my focus

True and fully agree.

Rotherham are good club these days. Nice newish ground and a club on the up.

[number9dream]

Doncaster I think.:greengrin

Think Rotherham are managed by that excitable Scottish manager Steve Evans. Hopefully no Rangers connection with him to get Allan to Ibrox. Good set up at Rotherham would be a decent move for Allan

Chuckle Brothers are Rotherham's celebrity supporters. I kid you not...
Finished just above relegation places last season after a 3 point penalty. Chris Maguire and Kirk Broadfoot there as well as crazy Scottish manager.

[Moulin Yarns]

Chuckle Brothers are Rotherham's celebrity supporters. I kid you not...
Finished just above relegation places last season after a 3 point penalty. Chris Maguire and Kirk Broadfoot there as well as crazy Scottish manager.

Wiki is a wonderfull source of info :greengrin

[Caversham Green]

Doncaster I think.:greengrin

Think Rotherham are managed by that excitable Scottish manager Steve Evans. Hopefully no Rangers connection with him to get Allan to Ibrox. Good set up at Rotherham would be a decent move for Allan

They are managed by Steve Evans. He was involved in a scam at Boston United and banned from football for some time - narrowly escaped jail I believe, so I would be wary of dealing with him (can't comment on Rotherham though).

He also looks like a Rangers supporter.

[Libby Hibby]

I fear the Rotherham bid is a ploy to smoke out Hibs into accepting it with SA rejecting the move this trying to strengthen Rangers bid by showing that if he were to leave this window, SA only want to go West

[Keith_M]

I don't believe Rangers would have gone back with a third offer unless they felt there was a realistic chance of it being accepted.

For me, there has been some encouragement from within the Hibs boardroom and I suspect we may see a managerial vacancy at Easter Rd in the coming days.



:idiot:

[HH81]

I fear the Rotherham bid is a ploy to smoke out Hibs into accepting it with SA rejecting the move this trying to strengthen Rangers bid by showing that if he were to leave this window, SA only want to go West

Why would Rotherham care about smoking out Hibs?

[marinello59]

Why would Rotherham care about smoking out Hibs?

They don't. They simply want a good player.

[scoopyboy]

I hope Hibs put out a statement with their offer as with the previous two bids on the Official website.

It embarrasses the cream bun and keeps us up to date with facts and not dreamt up numbers.

[MKHIBEE]

Why would Rotherham care about smoking out Hibs?


Rotherham must be due another spell in administration soon, not the most prudently run club if history is anything to goby

[Libby Hibby]

Why would Rotherham care about smoking out Hibs?

They don't but our media and Rangers would...how concrete is Rotherhams bid? BBC gossip as far as I can see...it's all to convenient and we would be naive not to consider this 'bid'

[HH81]

Rotherham must be due another spell in administration soon, not the most prudently run club if history is anything to goby

Thought it was a better run club these days? They get a decent support too.

Been meaning to pay their new ground a visit. I don't think SA would go there anyway.

[Hermit Crab]

As I've said before on this thread, a bid of 500,000 from anyone not In the Scottish Championship should be accepted by Hibs. Good money for a player who wants away in the last year of his contract.

I'd be happier if he stayed and helped us win the league though.


Yes it is but the player does not have to accept the move.

[Keith_M]

I hope Hibs put out a statement with their offer as with the previous two bids on the Official website.

It embarrasses the cream bun and keeps us up to date with facts and not dreamt up numbers.


Hopefully including such words as 'derisory'.


I suppose 'Thick Hun Barstewards' is a bit too much to ask for.

[Hibs90]

i don't think we should sell him At all.

[HH81]

They don't but our media and Rangers would...how concrete is Rotherhams bid? BBC gossip as far as I can see...it's all to convenient and we would be naive not to consider this 'bid'

If it is media driven could Hibs not release a statement saying we think Rotherham have the wrong contact details as we have not received the bid?

[Hermit Crab]

They don't but our media and Rangers would...how concrete is Rotherhams bid? BBC gossip as far as I can see...it's all to convenient and we would be naive not to consider this 'bid'


Add another 600k to their bid and he's theirs. Rotherham wouldn't pay a cool million to buy SA to then loan him to The Rangers :greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

Add another 600k to their bid and he's theirs. Rotherham wouldn't pay a cool million to buy SA to then loan him to The Rangers :greengrin

If he moves from Hibs to a team other than Sevco then he couldn't play for them until next season anyway as you can't be registered to more than two clubs in any one season.

[Baldy Foghorn]

SA can still play hardball, no matter what offer is received from anyone. That is one major stumbling block.

[Hermit Crab]

If he moves from Hibs to a team other than Sevco then he couldn't play for them until next season anyway as you can't be registered to more than two clubs in any one season.


Thought that was only country specific? :confused:

[Hibs1992]

They are managed by Steve Evans. He was involved in a scam at Boston United and banned from football for some time - narrowly escaped jail I believe, so I would be wary of dealing with him (can't comment on Rotherham though).

He also looks like a Rangers supporter.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8292198/Crawley-manager-Steve-Evans-gets-his-wish-as-his-team-are-drawn-against-the-might-of-Manchester-United.html

“The man from Govan against the man from Cambuslang,” Evans said, relishing the prospect of pitting his wits against one of his idols. “One’s a Celtic fan, one’s a Rangers fan.”

When his Crawley side drew Man Utd in the cup he said the above in an interview.

He's a Celtic man.

[DH1875]

If you think the media are bad just now, wait till we except a 500k bid from Rotherham or Wigan. If der hun came in and match it the media will go into melt down when we reject it.

[Hermit Crab]

If you think the media are bad just now, wait till we except a 500k bid from Rotherham or Wigan. If der hun came in and match it the media will go into melt down when we reject it.


They wouldn't as they are skint and Hibs would still be within their rights to reject it out of hand.

[J-C]

If you think the media are bad just now, wait till we except a 500k bid from Rotherham or Wigan. If der hun came in and match it the media will go into melt down when we reject it.

So what? we have said time and time again we will not be selling to our main rival for this league no matter what, if they cannot get that through their thick skulls then tough.

[Caversham Green]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8292198/Crawley-manager-Steve-Evans-gets-his-wish-as-his-team-are-drawn-against-the-might-of-Manchester-United.html

“The man from Govan against the man from Cambuslang,” Evans said, relishing the prospect of pitting his wits against one of his idols. “One’s a Celtic fan, one’s a Rangers fan.”

When his Crawley side drew Man Utd in the cup he said the above in an interview.

He's a Celtic man.

Well that was the other option going by his appearance and conduct.

[ekhibee]

So what? we have said time and time again we will not be selling to our main rival for this league no matter what, if they cannot get that through their thick skulls then tough.
:top marks

[DH1875]

So what? we have said time and time again we will not be selling to our main rival for this league no matter what, if they cannot get that through their thick skulls then tough.

Just saying, watch the media go into melt down if it happens.

[--------]

Doncaster I think.:greengrin

Think Rotherham are managed by that excitable Scottish manager Steve Evans. Hopefully no Rangers connection with him to get Allan to Ibrox. Good set up at Rotherham would be a decent move for Allan


Jim, I think he's a Rangers supporter. Would it be totally paranoid to suggest that if we were stupid enough to transfer Allan to Rotherham, Rotherham would transfer him on to Rangers within a couple of weeks? For a financial consideration?

If this were any other area of life but the SPFL, Rangers' behaviour would constitute harassment and we could call in the polis.

[McIntosh]

Leeds Utd are also apparently interested. If I was a betting man and this interest is serious, I would expect to see him at Elland Road

[Keith_M]

Has this mythical third bid been confirmed by anyone at Rangers or Hibs or is it just a rumour that the Media have taken as gospel?

[MKHIBEE]

Thought it was a better run club these days? They get a decent support too.

Been meaning to pay their new ground a visit. I don't think SA would go there anyway.

You are probably right although I would be wary whenever Evans has anything to do with a club.
i think SA can do better than Rotherham

[high bee]

Leeds Utd are also apparently interested. If I was a betting man and this interest is serious, I would expect to see him at Elland Road

If Cellino sees him in the purple kit poster then he'd be banished from the club. Much like Paddy Kenny was made to leave because he was born on the 17th. He is superstitious that 17 and purple are bad luck unless you somehow combine the 2.

[calumhibee1]

Presuming these bids are still coming in the form of an email we should just be deleting them without even bothering to reply. They know our stance and are wasting our time.

[brog]

Steve Evans is a festering piece of lard but at least Rotherham put in a realistic opening bid which could easily go to £500k. I can't imagine however that SA would be impressed either by Rotherham or Steve Evans so i think we can rule that one out. I'm surprised however at people thinking only lower championship clubs & below would be interested in SA. He went to WBA having just turned 20 & having played only 8 games for Dundee U. It's not a huge shock he wasn't a success. He's a much better & more experienced player now & £1m is chump change for EPL & most championship clubs. If anyone wants a successful precedent for someone moving from our league I give you the Dobster!

[J-C]

Steve Evans is a festering piece of lard but at least Rotherham put in a realistic opening bid which could easily go to £500k. I can't imagine however that SA would be impressed either by Rotherham or Steve Evans so i think we can rule that one out. I'm surprised however at people thinking only lower championship clubs & below would be interested in SA. He went to WBA having just turned 20 & having played only 8 games for Dundee U. It's not a huge shock he wasn't a success. He's a much better & more experienced player now & £1m is chump change for EPL & most championship clubs. If anyone wants a successful precedent for someone moving from our league I give you the Dobster!


Unfortunately he has a reputation down there which may put off some of them.

[Onion]

Jim, I think he's a Rangers supporter. Would it be totally paranoid to suggest that if we were stupid enough to transfer Allan to Rotherham, Rotherham would transfer him on to Rangers within a couple of weeks? For a financial consideration?

If this were any other area of life but the SPFL, Rangers' behaviour would constitute harassment and we could call in the polis.

Sevco are not really the problem. The biggest agitators in this saga are the West Coast Media who have been everything but objective. Their drive to appease the gloating/grieving/hard done by Sevco fans who buy their rags and suck up to the ex-players and insiders who feed them stories has been nauseating. Hibs have handled the whole affair with clear heads and common sense, but few journalists have recognised that in fear that it might ruin their reputation and future employment prospects.

Presume Scott Allan has been rushed to the ERI on hearing Hibs have knocked back his "boyhood heroes" latest ridiculous offer :wink:

[brog]

Unfortunately he has a reputation down there which may put off some of them.

If EPL clubs are prepared to pay tens of millions for Balotelli I don't think a few childish tantrums from Scott will put them off. As I said £1m is pennies for these guys, Jeez, Palace just paid £8m for a guy who can't trap a medicine ball!

[Keith_M]

Presuming these bids are still coming in the form of an email we should just be deleting them without even bothering to reply. They know our stance and are wasting our time.


I think Hibs have a decent Spam Filter that sends any E-Mails from Rangers the same way as anything related to Little Blue Pills, Breast Enlargement, Nigerian Investment Opportunities and 'Great New Ideas From Neil Doncaster'

[bill the hibby]

If rotherham were to up it to 500k then I'd let him go. That could be three good players out of that money

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Doncaster I think.:greengrin

Think Rotherham are managed by that excitable Scottish manager Steve Evans. Hopefully no Rangers connection with him to get Allan to Ibrox. Good set up at Rotherham would be a decent move for Allan

Aye, that'll teach me not to make references to stuff I know nowt about! ;-)

[Ozyhibby]

If rotherham were to up it to 500k then I'd let him go. That could be three good players out of that money

We would be better spending it all on one direct replacement. A top player on loan for a season would be ideal as it would not break our wage structure.

[bill the hibby]

We would be better spending it all on one direct replacement. A top player on loan for a season would be ideal as it would not break our wage structure.

or spend 250k on a player and use the rest for his wage for the season

[Ozyhibby]

or spend 250k on a player and use the rest for his wage for the season

I would avoid transfer fees and cover wages.

[Keith_M]

Aye, that'll teach me not to make references to stuff I know nowt about! ;-)


You're gonna stop posting?






:wink:

[Golden Bear]

Scott Allan is not a lump of meat to be sold to whom we on Hibs Net consider to be the best offer!

Unfortunately Scott himself may have some say on the matter and we can only hope that his ambitions extend far beyond a teeny weeny club like The Rangers.

[Ozyhibby]

Scott Allan is not a lump of meat to be sold to whom we on Hibs Net consider to be the best offer!

Unfortunately Scott himself may have some say on the matter and we can only hope that his ambitions extend far beyond a teeny weeny club like The Rangers.

I think most would rather he just stayed here.

[J-C]

I think most would rather he just stayed here.


I don't think anyone wants Allan to leave but unfortunately this whole fiasco is a lot of his own making, people will always speculate when it comes to this time of year and with Allan being our best player there was always a chance someone would come in with an offer we couldn't refuse, thankfully Rangers will not be the club he goes to though, that's only if he goes, as you said I'd much prefer him to stay also.

[worcesterhibby]

keep him, win the league then let him go where he likes.

[staunchhibby]

Unfortunately there is only going to be one outcome here.No way will he consider going any where else but Ibrox

[Keith_M]

Has this mythical third bid been confirmed by anyone at Rangers or Hibs or is it just a rumour that the Media have taken as gospel?



Anybody?



:dunno:

[The Leith Dutch]

If rotherham were to up it to 500k then I'd let him go. That could be three good players out of that money

I disagree - sevco and their ****bag media pals are running three possibly favourable outcomes here.
In order:
1) Get SA at sevco
2) Get SA moved on from Hibs to weaken our team
3) Unsettle Hibs (their only serious rival)

They'd honestly be delighted if SA was at Rotherham as it hits their second target and while we could beat them without SA they'd significantly reduce the gap in quality between us and them.

We should keep SA and only sell for silly money which is unlikely to materialise.

[BroxburnHibee]

Unfortunately there is only going to be one outcome here.No way will he consider going any where else but Ibrox

Then we have him for another season. No way can Hibs back down from this - only if Sevco threw silly money at us, which they won't.

[PatHead]

Unfortunately there is only going to be one outcome here.No way will he consider going any where else but Ibrox

Not so sure. If a Championship club came along offering high wages I think he may be interested as he has a point to prove.

I'm just guessing as much as you though.

[Sir David Gray]

Thought that was only country specific? :confused:

No here's a bit of info on the subject.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Two

[Del Boy]

No English premier club is going to be interested in Scott Allan at the moment.

Best offer he'll get is English championship, hopefully he shows some ambition and goes there and works hard. Maybe one day he'll make it to the EPL.

[hibsmad]

I think most would rather he just stayed here.

I don't.

I think it's incredibly naive for anyone to think that having a player in the squad who does not want to be here, and actually wants to go to our main rivals, would not have a negative effect on the squad.

Excellent player but I honestly can't see us getting the best from him over the whole season and would therefore rather let him go to pretty much anyone other than them. I'd take 300k.

[scoopyboy]

Unfortunately there is only going to be one outcome here.No way will he consider going any where else but Ibrox

Don't see how there is only one outcome.

If you are right in that he won't go anywhere but Ibrox there are a minimum of two outcomes.

1. He goes to Ibrox if we allow it.

2. He stays an employee of Hibs if we don't.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Some of the comments on the Herald article, if not a wind up, are very worrying. To suggest that Hibs refusal to sell is based on some sort of sectarian agenda is nothing short of libellous ..... It proves beyond doubt that some of these people are themselves so bigoted that they presume everybody else has to be too ... its hard to believe that this is the 21st century :bitchy:

As for the rumoured bids from other clubs. I doubt SA would be tempted by the likes of Rotherham or Wigan, no disrespect to either club, but they don't exactly scream glamour .... On the other hand even if they do have an 'unconventional?' owner that same charge, even now, can hardly be levelled against Leeds United, they truly are one of English footballs sleeping giants ... any approach from them would surely be something worth putting his undying love for the Current Buns on the back burner for, if he still has any ambition to 'make it big' down south.

[Beefster]

I would avoid transfer fees and cover wages.

I would spend it on Boosts (biscuit variety only), alcohol and loose women.

[IWasThere2016]

I would spend it on Boosts (biscuit variety only), alcohol and loose women.

In that order of preference? :confused:

[Smartie]

I don't.

I think it's incredibly naive for anyone to think that having a player in the squad who does not want to be here, and actually wants to go to our main rivals, would not have a negative effect on the squad.

Excellent player but I honestly can't see us getting the best from him over the whole season and would therefore rather let him go to pretty much anyone other than them. I'd take 300k.

I think it will all become clearer over the next few weeks. There is still a while until the transfer window closes.

If he starts matches for us, looks committed, is playing well and the body language seems good with the rest of the squad then I can see him staying and playing a part.

If he's missing matches/ on the bench, looking half-arsed (which to his credit he hasn't so far), plays badly or looks like there are issues with the rest of the squad then I think we might cut our losses and take any offer that was forthcoming. Unless it was from Rangers.

For now we're best to hang onto him. If he were to start the season well then someone might be tempted into making us the kind of offer that would be difficult to refuse. Cutting our losses now, before there is even an evident problem would not be a good idea.

Oh, and we don't even need to get his best from him. We only need to get him to function better than a replacement would do if brought in with the money we received from a sale of Allan.

[IWasThere2016]

As I've said before on this thread, a bid of 500,000 from anyone not In the Scottish Championship should be accepted by Hibs. Good money for a player who wants away in the last year of his contract.

I'd be happier if he stayed and helped us win the league though.

I agree - and think Hibs would accept £500k from non-Hun sources

[The Leith Dutch]

Oh, and we don't even need to get his best from him. We only need to get him to function better than a replacement would do if brought in with the money we received from a sale of Allan.

This is bang on the money.

[Bad Martini]

Putting aside the bull**** "bid" which is nothing more than a pipe dream from a shower of skint, juice bottle collecting, provident cheque cashing looneys, we need to remember something in all this talk of affordability.

I've heard a few times how Hibs can't "afford" to turn down a "good" or "unbeatable" offer. Why can't we afford this? How much did Allan cost us? And continue to cost us?

We dont need to take ANY bid, irrespective of how much it is. I include seven figures in that UNLESS, and this is key, UNLESS we have time to replace him.

Simple yamathematics would even understand this:

Hibs with Allan = strong team
Hibs without Allan = weaker team
Hibs without Allan and £insertwhatthe****youlikehere = weaker team with some money to spend on a closed transfer market
Hibs without Allan and £0.00 but with equally good replacement = possible but highly unlikely....ask yourselves why clubs wanting Allan wouldnt just buy this equally good/better player we would buy to replace Allan???

Exactly.

Simple.

He goes nowhere. This is what should happen.

He certainly doesn't go to the huns for ANY amount of cash.

If he goes anywhere else, it's with a direct replacement and I would question the time/ability for us to source such a player.

Thus, it does not require Vulcan like logic to arrive at the conclusion that he goes nowhere??? :confused:

ENDOF :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[The Leith Dutch]

To suggest that Hibs refusal to sell is based on some sort of sectarian agenda is nothing short of libellous

I don't think they get the fact that we couldn't give a crap about their religious affiliations.
We hate them because they're a bunch of vile ****bags.

As they say "no one likes us we don't care".....that's cool - you'll understand then that we won't sell you SA because we don't like you.

[hibsmad]

I think it will all become clearer over the next few weeks. There is still a while until the transfer window closes.

If he starts matches for us, looks committed, is playing well and the body language seems good with the rest of the squad then I can see him staying and playing a part.

If he's missing matches/ on the bench, looking half-arsed (which to his credit he hasn't so far), plays badly or looks like there are issues with the rest of the squad then I think we might cut our losses and take any offer that was forthcoming. Unless it was from Rangers.

For now we're best to hang onto him. If he were to start the season well then someone might be tempted into making us the kind of offer that would be difficult to refuse. Cutting our losses now, before there is even an evident problem would not be a good idea.

Oh, and we don't even need to get his best from him. We only need to get him to function better than a replacement would do if brought in with the money we received from a sale of Allan.

Goes back to my point about it affecting the rest of the squad.

If it affects team morale then getting half of SA's best is not a good situation for Hibs.

I know that some posters are saying that they have heard that it is causing some problems in the dressing room, while other posters are claiming that multiple sources are telling them that SA is getting on with things as normal.

I repeat that, in my opinion, it is incredibly naive to think that the situation would have no effect on the rest of the squad.

[Springbank]

Goes back to my point about it affecting the rest of the squad.

If it affects team morale then getting half of SA's best is not a good situation for Hibs.

I know that some posters are saying that they have heard that it is causing some problems in the dressing room, while other posters are claiming that multiple sources are telling them that SA is getting on with things as normal.

I repeat that, in my opinion, it is incredibly naive to think that the situation would have no effect on the rest of the squad.

When Lewandowski and Goatze were signing pre contracts with a big rival it didn't stop them firing dortmund to champions league qualification and even to a final

[Smartie]

Goes back to my point about it affecting the rest of the squad.

If it affects team morale then getting half of SA's best is not a good situation for Hibs.

I know that some posters are saying that they have heard that it is causing some problems in the dressing room, while other posters are claiming that multiple sources are telling them that SA is getting on with things as normal.

I repeat that, in my opinion, it is incredibly naive to think that the situation would have no effect on the rest of the squad.

This is a very fair point.

But what he have so far are a few whispers and a bit of tittle-tattle about restlessness in the camp/ absence of it.

Give it a few weeks and we'll have seen a few competitive games at League level to assess how things are going. All I'm ever really bothered about its what is going on on the pitch.

It's not been great that he's been benched for the last 2 games. He's done well and put in a shift when he's come on both weeks though. More than anything I was pleased to see the way the players greeted his goal with him and that he acknowledged the fans at the end of the game. I had serious reservations until then but that suggested to me that there was a possibility that retaining him this season might be possible and the best option.

[southsider]

I don't think they get the fact that we couldn't give a crap about their religious affiliations.
We hate them because they're a bunch of vile ****bags.

As they say "no one likes us we don't care".....that's cool - you'll understand then that we won't sell you SA because we don't like you.
I am proud of the roots of our club and proud of our green colours. However, I am equally proud of the way our club has evolved into a community based club where everyone no mater which creed or colour are welcome. I have no great love for Celtic but I hope they get through tonight just to annoy the servotons. Anyway we should not be doing business with any club that have not, in the past 5 years not met their income tax liabilities in full. Heat7s, this means you too !

[ALF TUPPER]

I am proud of the roots of our club and proud of our green colours. However, I am equally proud of the way our club has evolved into a community based club where everyone no mater which creed or colour are welcome. I have no great love for Celtic but I hope they get through tonight just to annoy the servotons. Anyway we should not be doing business with any club that have not, in the past 5 years not met their income tax liabilities in full. Heat7s, this means you too !

absolutely !:aok:

[paul_hfc3]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11252172_10155911194945603_1407056130414751616_n.j pg?oh=a331287113682f96323e504e49dbe9c3&oe=564782CB

Haha that's brilliant!

[Heisenberg]

Rotherham bid rejected.

[hibsmad]

When Lewandowski and Goatze were signing pre contracts with a big rival it didn't stop them firing dortmund to champions league qualification and even to a final

Did Lewandowski or Goatze submit a transfer request? Or were they happy to see out their contracts and perhaps sign a pre contract when able to?

Not trying to be smart. It's a serious question as I have no idea.

[high bee]

Rotherham bid rejected.

Let's hope he hasn't been a boyhood Rotherham fan too, wouldn't want the English Sun piling the pressure on too.

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

375k bid from Rotherham rejected!

[bill the hibby]

Interesting comments from rotherhams manager in the evening news saying anything will be kept confidential between the two clubs, sounded like a bit of a dig at the huns.

[J-C]

Did Lewandowski or Goatze submit a transfer request? Or were they happy to see out their contracts and perhaps sign a pre contract when able to?

Not trying to be smart. It's a serious question as I have no idea.


That is a fair point which I know not the answer to.

[Brightside]

375k bid from Rotherham rejected!

Yep - confirmed. Well done Hibs.

[PatHead]

So Rotherham are outbidding The Rangers #You are just a little club

[HH81]

Yep - confirmed. Well done Hibs.

Comfirmed where?

[PatHead]

Comfirmed where?

Edinburgh Evening News online

[Keith_M]

Goes back to my point about it affecting the rest of the squad.

If it affects team morale then getting half of SA's best is not a good situation for Hibs.

I know that some posters are saying that they have heard that it is causing some problems in the dressing room, while other posters are claiming that multiple sources are telling them that SA is getting on with things as normal


So the truth is that no one outside the Club really knows. Therefore, the people saying he is having a negative influence are merely indulging in speculation.



I repeat that, in my opinion, it is incredibly naive to think that the situation would have no effect on the rest of the squad.


It is also incredibly disrespectful to Allan to presume that he is being so unprofessional in his job. We know that he has put in a Transfer Request but, as you have already intimated, everything else is speculation.

I'd say that the respectful thing to do would be to give him the benefit of the doubt and judge him on what we see on the pitch. So far, he's played twice, scored once and did not look like he was giving less than his best.

That's good enough for me.

[The Leith Dutch]

So Rotherham are outbidding The Rangers #You are just a little club

Expect a variety of ex-huns to say we should sell to sevco anyway as it's what the player wants because, of course, what the best thing is for Hibs is irrelevant.

Wonder if the penny is dropping yet that they've let yet another con man with no cash take over their shoddy excuse for a club.

[PatHead]

Expect a variety of ex-huns to say we should sell to sevco anyway as it's what the player wants because, of course, what the best thing is for Hibs is irrelevant.

Wonder if the penny is dropping yet that they've let yet another con man with no cash take over their shoddy excuse for a club.

No way until the press realise that.

[stoneyburn hibs]

I'd like to think that SA wouldn't rule out a move down south if the offer was accepted by Hibs.
He'd be a mug to pass it up.

[HFC 0-7]

So the truth is that no one outside the Club really knows. Therefore, the people saying he is having a negative influence are merely indulging in speculation.




It is also incredibly disrespectful to Allan to presume that he is being so unprofessional in his job. We know that he has put in a Transfer Request but, as you have already intimated, everything else is speculation.

I'd say that the respectful thing to do would be to give him the benefit of the doubt and judge him on what we see on the pitch. So far, he's played twice, scored once and did not look like he was giving less than his best.

That's good enough for me.

He was pretty disrespectful to talk about seeing out his contract, then hand in a transfer request.

[pennyhibee]

therangers want to pay in dribs and drabs and will probably be bust again before the full amount is paid IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN

[hibsmad]

So the truth is that no one outside the Club really knows. Therefore, the people saying he is having a negative influence are merely indulging in speculation.




It is also incredibly disrespectful to Allan to presume that he is being so unprofessional in his job. We know that he has put in a Transfer Request but, as you have already intimated, everything else is speculation.

I'd say that the respectful thing to do would be to give him the benefit of the doubt and judge him on what we see on the pitch. So far, he's played twice, scored once and did not look like he was giving less than his best.

That's good enough for me.

I didn't say he was being unprofessional. You seem to be making that up.

I am making the point that if all the players know that one particular player would rather be playing for our main rivals, then that would have a negative impact on team morale.

Do you doubt this?

[Thecat23]

£500k from anyone bar The Rangers I'd sell.

[PatHead]

£500k from anyone bar The Rangers I'd sell.

I would want more than that when you look at the price English clubs pay for some players. £500k is chicken feed.

[Ozyhibby]

At least now that the new Rangers are not the highest bidders it will be easier to swat away the questions for Stubbs.

[Smartie]

Did Lewandowski or Goatze submit a transfer request? Or were they happy to see out their contracts and perhaps sign a pre contract when able to?

Not trying to be smart. It's a serious question as I have no idea.

IIRC neither submitted a transfer request and were happy to honour their contracts with Dortmund and then move to Bayern. Neither of them (to the best of my knowledge) ever submitted transfer requests or intimated that they at any point didn't want to play for Dortmund.

They both signed pre-contracts with Bayern whilst playing for Dortmund though and both moves had been rumoured for months/ years prior to actually being confirmed (a bit like Allan being linked with The Rangers for a while before they actually made any bids).

I remember during the Bayern/ Dortmund Champions League final the camera kept cutting to Gotze sitting in the stand. I can't remember the exact reason why he was missing the game (whether it was injury or suspension) but it would have been an interesting one to see how Dortmund would have handled such a situation if he'd been available to play in such a huge match.

[Brightside]

£500k from anyone bar The Rangers I'd sell.

The initial bid from Roth would suggest we can get more.

[Smartie]

I would want more than that when you look at the price English clubs pay for some players. £500k is chicken feed.

We might want that but he's a player with a year left on his contract, a track record of already having failed (and caused a bit of trouble) down there and I'm not sure if anyone would want to go that much higher.

Because of all of that I think a bid of about £800k (but not from Rangers) would really test our resolve and there's so much money floating around there that a club like Leeds or Ipswich could easily afford to take such a punt on him. No great loss to them if it doesn't work out.

We'd need to have time (and pre-arranged targets) to replace him but it would be hard to resist money like that for a player who may not be fully committed, might sign a pre-contract with The Rangers in January and might be totally half-arsed during the second half of the season as a result.

I'd still love to see him stay though, play his heart out, get us promotion and get a team next summer that didn't need to worry about paying us a transfer fee for him (and he can get a bigger signing on fee). He'll also then have a more settled, positive and committed 2 year period behind him as well, which will be more attractive to clubs looking to sign him, rather than getting him now.

[Geo_1875]

IIRC neither submitted a transfer request and were happy to honour their contracts with Dortmund and then move to Bayern. Neither of them (to the best of my knowledge) ever submitted transfer requests or intimated that they at any point didn't want to play for Dortmund.

They both signed pre-contracts with Bayern whilst playing for Dortmund though and both moves had been rumoured for months/ years prior to actually being confirmed (a bit like Allan being linked with The Rangers for a while before they actually made any bids).

I remember during the Bayern/ Dortmund Champions League final the camera kept cutting to Gotze sitting in the stand. I can't remember the exact reason why he was missing the game (whether it was injury or suspension) but it would have been an interesting one to see how Dortmund would have handled such a situation if he'd been available to play in such a huge match.

Signing a pre-contract with another club would intimate that.

[BH Hibs]

750k and no loan to them clause then he can go :greengrin

[Keith_M]

Please VOTE (http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?302642-Who-s-the-Bigger-Club-Rotherham-or-The-Rangers) now

[Since90+2]

If we are to sell Allan the timing is as important as the value of the transfer fee.

If Rotherham bid £500k id be tempted to take it but only if its within the next few days to give Stubbs' time to get in a replacement.

[Smartie]

Signing a pre-contract with another club would intimate that.

It doesn't mean that they aren't necessarily fully committed until the end of the contract with Dortmund though.

I think the Allan situation is slightly different because if he plays and blinder for us, helps us to the Championship then Rangers don't go up through the play-offs, all after he's signed a pre-contract with them then he's made life a bit worse for himself for when he joins up with Rangers. Strange situation.

Gotze and Lewandowski could knock their pan in for Dortmund until the end of their contracts, move for free to Bayern and continue scrapping for all the same trophies in the same league as they were the year before.

[Stevie Reid]

It doesn't mean that they aren't necessarily fully committed until the end of the contract with Dortmund though.

I think the Allan situation is slightly different because if he plays and blinder for us, helps us to the Championship then Rangers don't go up through the play-offs, all after he's signed a pre-contract with them then he's made life a bit worse for himself for when he joins up with Rangers. Strange situation.

Gotze and Lewandowski could knock their pan in for Dortmund until the end of their contracts, move for free to Bayern and continue scrapping for all the same trophies in the same league as they were the year before.

Gotze signed a pre-contract with Bayern and then Dortmund and Bayern played each other in the Champions League Final - he ended up being injured, but was a bit of a conflict!

[Keith_M]

I didn't say he was being unprofessional. You seem to be making that up.

Causing disruption among the team suggests that he was being unprofessional.

If he's just getting on with his job, I can't really see how he would be causing disruption.




I am making the point that if all the players know that one particular player would rather be playing for our main rivals, then that would have a negative impact on team morale.

Do you doubt this?

I don't doubt that there is a possibility* but, if you read my post again, what I disagree with is people's assumptions one way or the other when they know diddly squat.

Some posters on here have been practically in hysteria with their demands to dump Allan, based on nothing more than rumours. I'm trying to bring some logic and reason to the over emotional among us.



* I could also say, quite truthfully, that there's a possibility I'll be having sex with Kaley Cuoco on her birthday. The actual likelihood of that happening is another thing entirely.

[Smartie]

Gotze signed a pre-contract with Bayern and then Dortmund and Bayern played each other in the Champions League Final - he ended up being injured, but was a bit of a conflict!

It would have been interesting to see what they'd have done if he'd been fit right enough.

I don't think it would have been THAT bad for Bayern the next season though, if he'd played well and won the cup for Dortmund.

I don't think you could ever expect a player to give anything less than his best in a Champions League final. You never know if you're going to play in another one.


I think this situation is different.

[Iain G]

If we are to sell Allan the timing is as important as the value of the transfer fee.

If Rotherham bid £500k id be tempted to take it but only if its within the next few days to give Stubbs' time to get in a replacement.

Given the new behind the scenes infrastructure at the club I would expect that replacements have already been identified :agree:

[Brightside]

Given the new behind the scenes infrastructure at the club I would expect that replacements have already been identified :agree:

100% agree. We will be ready.

[hibsmad]

[QUOTE=keekaboo;4432439]Causing disruption among the team suggests that he was being unprofessional.

If he's just getting on with his job, I can't really see how he would be causing disruption.


I didn't say he was causing disruption. You seem to be making that part up (pattern emerging here).

[hibsmad]

I don't doubt that there is a possibility* but, if you read my post again, what I disagree with is people's assumptions one way or the other when they know diddly squat.

Some posters on here have been practically in hysteria with their demands to dump Allan, based on nothing more than rumours. I'm trying to bring some logic and reason to the over emotional among us.



* I could also say, quite truthfully, that there's a possibility I'll be having sex with Kaley Cuoco on her birthday. The actual likelihood of that happening is another thing entirely.

I didn't suggest that it was a possibility. I think that some level of negativity is guaranteed.

This means that you do doubt my original post, which is incredibly naive.

[1875Sean]

Gotze signed a pre-contract with Bayern and then Dortmund and Bayern played each other in the Champions League Final - he ended up being injured, but was a bit of a conflict!


Gotze didnt sign a pre contract, Bayren met his clause and they got millions for him

[flash]

Let the auction begin.

[Ozyhibby]

@AgentScotland: Wigan are interested in Scott Allan & are toying with the idea of bidding £600k for him, Caldwell watched him personally 4 times last Season

[Broken Gnome]

Are Hibs now actively trying to sell him then?

[SteveHFC]

@AgentScotland: Wigan are interested in Scott Allan & are toying with the idea of bidding £600k for him, Caldwell watched him personally 4 times last Season

Would take that.

[flash]

Are Hibs now actively trying to sell him then?

I reckon we have been for a wee while now.

[SHODAN]

600k is acceptable but if we're going to sell Allan we need to get McGeouch in.

[J-C]

I reckon we have been for a wee while now.

Don't know about actively trying to sell but as our best player last season, interest was always going to be high for him and TBH we all knew this would happen, we just didn't think Rangers were the team that would start the ball rolling and Allan's response with a transfer request.

[flash]

Don't know about actively trying to sell but as our best player last season, interest was always going to be high for him and TBH we all knew this would happen, we just didn't think Rangers were the team that would start the ball rolling and Allan's response with a transfer request.

I mean because of the The Rangers stuff. Think Hibs would keep him ideally but not sure that's viable now.

[Waxy]

TDD will see several clubs in a bidding war for SA i reckon. The rangers wont be one of them.

[Col2]

First priority was to NOT strengthen our main rivals for this coming season, and Hibs look like making that stance very clear.

However while I understand many of here seem comfortable to sell to any other club, I can't help thinking that without him (regardless of the money) we are still significantly weaker.

We won't spend say £500k on oncoming transfers. If might be enough to seal the deal for say £100k to Celtic for McGeouch and maybe secure Rhys McCabe but neither of those players can do what Scott Allan can do.

I am still in the camp of - we MUST get out of this league and therefore me must keep all our best players regardless of what has happened.

[Brightside]

@AgentScotland: Wigan are interested in Scott Allan & are toying with the idea of bidding £600k for him, Caldwell watched him personally 4 times last Season

we can ignore that one then.

[Brightside]

First priority was to NOT strengthen our main rivals for this coming season, and Hibs look like making that stance very clear.

However while I understand many of here seem comfortable to sell to any other club, I can't help thinking that without him (regardless of the money) we are still significantly weaker.

We won't spend say £500k on oncoming transfers. If might be enough to seal the deal for say £100k to Celtic for McGeouch and maybe secure Rhys McCabe but neither of those players can do what Scott Allan can do.

I am still in the camp of - we MUST get out of this league and therefore me must keep all our best players regardless of what has happened.

Why wouldn't we spend the 500k?

[greenginger]

First priority was to NOT strengthen our main rivals for this coming season, and Hibs look like making that stance very clear.

However while I understand many of here seem comfortable to sell to any other club, I can't help thinking that without him (regardless of the money) we are still significantly weaker.

We won't spend say £500k on oncoming transfers. If might be enough to seal the deal for say £100k to Celtic for McGeouch and maybe secure Rhys McCabe but neither of those players can do what Scott Allan can do.

I am still in the camp of - we MUST get out of this league and therefore me must keep all our best players regardless of what has happened.


All very well, but if Scott Allan's heart is no longer in it for Hibs he won't be anything like our best player.

[Ozyhibby]

600k is acceptable but if we're going to sell Allan we need to get McGeouch in.

If we get 600k then I expect us to get a lot better than McGeogh.

[Pete]

If we get 600k then I expect us to get a lot better than McGeogh.

Allan's wage plus 600k could get us two or three real quality additions that we could build our team around. The more I think about it the more I want this rather than having a great player who doesn't really want to be here.

I think we'll have to wait before someone more attractive than Rotherham comes in.

[Stevie Reid]

Gotze didnt sign a pre contract, Bayren met his clause and they got millions for him

My apologies, but the announcement was still made in the April, so the it was known that the transfer was going ahead before the played each other in that final.

[Allant1981]

Why wouldn't we spend the 500k?

When was the last time we spent that much? Plus we probably dont need to spend that much to get a player in who would excel in the first division

[Smartie]

Allan's wage plus 600k could get us two or three real quality additions that we could build our team around. The more I think about it the more I want this rather than having a great player who doesn't really want to be here.

I think we'll have to wait before someone more attractive than Rotherham come in.

Which 2 or 3 first choice players would you be looking to replace in order for us to build our team around the replacements though?

As I see it we pretty much have the able supporting cast, all parts of the team look strong enough (when everyone's fit).

If Allan were to leave then what we would lack would be a creator, a real talisman. I think we'd need to do our best to replace him like-for-like.

And players like that don't just grow on trees.

A reasonably expensive, high-profile loan of a player we might otherwise struggle to attract might be the best option.

[B.H.F.C]

First priority was to NOT strengthen our main rivals for this coming season, and Hibs look like making that stance very clear.

However while I understand many of here seem comfortable to sell to any other club, I can't help thinking that without him (regardless of the money) we are still significantly weaker.

We won't spend say £500k on oncoming transfers. If might be enough to seal the deal for say £100k to Celtic for McGeouch and maybe secure Rhys McCabe but neither of those players can do what Scott Allan can do.

I am still in the camp of - we MUST get out of this league and therefore me must keep all our best players regardless of what has happened.

I'm with you on this one. I think because of the whole Rangers situation its almost become a case of its acceptable to sell to anybody but them.

Even with 500k in your pocket it won't be easy to replace Allan. When other teams and agents know you have that cash everything suddenly becomes more expensive. And even taking away from that, losing him and bringing McGeough in (good a player as he is) leaves us weaker IMO.

[Stevie Reid]

It would have been interesting to see what they'd have done if he'd been fit right enough.

I don't think it would have been THAT bad for Bayern the next season though, if he'd played well and won the cup for Dortmund.

I don't think you could ever expect a player to give anything less than his best in a Champions League final. You never know if you're going to play in another one.


I think this situation is different.

I don't actually disagree with much of that, was just potentially a very interesting situation that only didn't come to fruition because of an injury.

[The Pointer]

I am still in the camp of - we MUST get out of this league and therefore me must keep all our best players regardless of what has happened.[/QUOTE]


Agree entirely. All this is just speculation on our behalf, but Hibs signed a very good player with the express intention of getting out this league and I want him to do what he's being paid to do and that's knock his pan in until the last game of the season.

We shouldn't entertain offers from anywhere because we need him as an established member of the squad. Any replacement will have to come in, get to know the place, the set-up, the regime, the methods, his team mates, get property, transport, what happens to the family if there's any etc. etc.

[Pete]

Which 2 or 3 first choice players would you be looking to replace in order for us to build our team around the replacements though?

As I see it we pretty much have the able supporting cast, all parts of the team look strong enough (when everyone's fit).

If Allan were to leave then what we would lack would be a creator, a real talisman. I think we'd need to do our best to replace him like-for-like.

And players like that don't just grow on trees.

A reasonably expensive, high-profile loan of a player we might otherwise struggle to attract might be the best option.

Players like Allan aren't easy to find but there are too many variables that might effect his performance in this crucial season.

As for who we would replace, well Allan would be one and I don't think anyone is irreplaceable. A quality centre half and striker would be a base on which to build.

We've done ok so far with no money so I'd expect us to get bang for this buck. I can only imagine what they would get should they go down the loan route you suggest. It would be a case of "Scott who?"

[silverhibee]

I thought Jim44 was paraphrasing from a Hun Supporter website?

I thought it was pretty obvious as well.

[IanM]

Just reading that the Daily Record have said Hibs have knocked back Rotherham but the player doesn't want to go there anyway as he holds out for his dream move to ibrox

:faf:

Absolutely ****ting themselves !! no comment from anyone. can't stop laughing..

[Brightside]

When was the last time we spent that much? Plus we probably dont need to spend that much to get a player in who would excel in the first division

Yes but we would still spend the 500k....ie more than one player.

[Ozyhibby]

Players like Allan aren't easy to find but there are too many variables that might effect his performance in this crucial season.

As for who we would replace, well Allan would be one and I don't think anyone is irreplaceable. A quality centre half and striker would be a base on which to build.

We've done ok so far with no money so I'd expect us to get bang for this buck. I can only imagine what they would get should they go down the loan route you suggest. It would be a case of "Scott who?"

How much would it take to get someone like Shaun Maloney on loan for a season?
I just picked that name out the air but there are players out there who would be affordable if we had £600k to spend.

[Allant1981]

Yes but we would still spend the 500k....ie more than one player.

Aye if you include wages, we didnt pay out that kind of money on transfers when making millions from player sales. Would love to see it though

[silverhibee]

They really are thickos, but not a surprise to read they think along those lines......

Harsh on Hermit. :tee hee:

[blackpoolhibs]

It makes no difference if Real Madrid offer us £10m, if Allan wants to sit tight and play out his last years contract. If he really wants to play for that lot, i'd imagine he'd knock back the likes of Rotherham and Wigan?

I think he'd only move to another club if the wages on offer were significantly more than whats on offer from sevco.

We can keep saying we'd take this offer or that offer, but in the end it really down to him what offer he decides to take, if any?

[Pete]

It makes no difference if Real Madrid offer us £10m, if Allan wants to sit tight and play out his last years contract. If he really wants to play for that lot, i'd imagine he'd knock back the likes of Rotherham and Wigan?

I think he'd only move to another club if the wages on offer were significantly more than whats on offer from sevco.

We can keep saying we'd take this offer or that offer, but in the end it really down to him what offer he decides to take, if any?

Indeed but who's telling us that he would only consider leaving for Sevco?

Maybe the initial interest from them was what it was all about at the start but maybe it's about how much he can change his lifestyle. The big boys are involved now and they can set you up for life.

I'm sure his agent will be trying to sell Rotherham to him.

[Ozyhibby]

It makes no difference if Real Madrid offer us £10m, if Allan wants to sit tight and play out his last years contract. If he really wants to play for that lot, i'd imagine he'd knock back the likes of Rotherham and Wigan?

I think he'd only move to another club if the wages on offer were significantly more than whats on offer from sevco.

We can keep saying we'd take this offer or that offer, but in the end it really down to him what offer he decides to take, if any?

I think everybody knows that.
He runs the risk of a serious injury in December and new Rangers pre contract offer suddenly disappearing.

[IanM]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/33792510

[blackpoolhibs]

Indeed but who's telling us that he would only consider leaving for Sevco?

Maybe the initial interest from them was what it was all about at the start but maybe it's about how much he can change his lifestyle. The big boys are involved now and they can set you up for life.

I'm sure his agent will be trying to sell Rotherham to him.


I think everybody knows that.


The big boys are involved now?????????????????????

Yes i know some people know that, but not everyone does Ozy, the amount of folk who are saying i'd take this offer from Rotherham, or that offer from Wigan, or sell him to Celtic.

It appears that everyone does not know that Allan holds all the cards here, and unless a move that makes it very difficult for him to turn down lands on his lap, i think he's here until he either signs a pre contract with them, or see's his contract out.

If i'm right, i just hope he shows us the right attitude and commitment for that period of time.

[silverhibee]

SA can still play hardball, no matter what offer is received from anyone. That is one major stumbling block.

If Hibs accept a offer from a English club and inform SA and his agent and they decline the offer then Hibs should stick him in the stand for our next game, the camp is not a happy one.

[Pete]

The big boys are involved now?????????????????????

I mean an English club. They have money to pay Allen and money that will actually tempt us into accepting an offer.

You're right that he can sit tight but let's see. Cash is king.

[essexhibee]

If Hibs accept a offer from a English club and inform SA and his agent and they decline the offer then Hibs should stick him in the stand for our next game, the camp is not a happy one.

The camps not happy with Allan you mean? Or not happy camp in general?

[Ozyhibby]

The big boys are involved now?????????????????????

Yes i know some people know that, but not everyone does Ozy, the amount of folk who are saying i'd take this offer from Rotherham, or that offer from Wigan, or sell him to Celtic.

It appears that everyone does not know that Allan holds all the cards here, and unless a move that makes it very difficult for him to turn down lands on his lap, i think he's here until he either signs a pre contract with them, or see's his contract out.

If i'm right, i just hope he shows us the right attitude and commitment for that period of time.

He does not hold all the cards.

[essexhibee]

If we are reportedly trying to agree a fee does that not indicate the player has agreed for the move and it's just down to the fee?

Or does it work the other way around.

[blackpoolhibs]

I mean an English club. They have money to pay Allen and money that will actually tempt us into accepting an offer.

You're right that he can sit tight but let's see. Cash is king.


Yes English clubs can offer the money that will tempt us, i dont know what amount would tempt us, i'm guessing £700k or more?

Can you see anyone offering this amount, i'm doubt it but you never know i suppose?

[Weststandwanab]

I mean an English club. They have money to pay Allen and money that will actually tempt us into accepting an offer.

You're right that he can sit tight but let's see. Cash is king.

Not down The Rangers way !

[cabbageandribs1875]

It makes no difference if Real Madrid offer us £10m, if Allan wants to sit tight and play out his last years contract. If he really wants to play for that lot, i'd imagine he'd knock back the likes of Rotherham and Wigan?

I think he'd only move to another club if the wages on offer were significantly more than whats on offer from sevco.

We can keep saying we'd take this offer or that offer, but in the end it really down to him what offer he decides to take, if any?



exactly, i've read the last several pages on here with a few thinking that it's really quite simple just to sell him to some other club, it's not...he could very easily throw the toys out the pram with hibs for not allowing him to sign for the bigots, he MUST surely have the common sense to realise why it would be crazy for us to do that, but he could dig his heels in and act like a silly wee laddie and stamp his feet etc etc, but if another club shows interest (and certainly it will be a much bigger salary) and he goes in a strop then all he's doing is cutting his nose of to spite his face, this time next year he could have many thousands ££££'s in his bank account and if he knocks back that idea then he seriously needs to have a look at himself, it would be madness not to go for it

[blackpoolhibs]

He does not hold all the cards.


Of course he does, he's contracted to us for one more season. He can see that out if he wants, and then move for nothing in the summer or indeed sign a pre contract with anyone he likes in January.

The club can accept any bid they want, but if he does not want to move, the club can do nowt.

He hold all the cards.

[liamh2202]

SSN reporting Wigan have made enquiry

[Brightside]

Of course he does, he's contracted to us for one more season. He can see that out if he wants, and then move for nothing in the summer or indeed sign a pre contract with anyone he likes in January.

The club can accept any bid they want, but if he does not want to move, the club can do nowt.

He hold all the cards.

As far as moving on is concerned he 100% holds ALL the cards.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

As far as moving on is concerned he 100% holds ALL the cards.

I get what you mean, however he doesn't hold all the cards. If he did, he'd be a Sevco player now.

Talking about Sevco, I actually can't cope with their fans on social media anymore. Eye bleeding stuff. I'm embarrassed to be from the same country as some of those freaks

[Blaster]

Of course he does, he's contracted to us for one more season. He can see that out if he wants, and then move for nothing in the summer or indeed sign a pre contract with anyone he likes in January.

The club can accept any bid they want, but if he does not want to move, the club can do nowt.

He hold all the cards.

He doesnt hold all the cards until the summer next year. Hibs hold the main card on whether he has the option to go elsewhere before then. If hibs say he is going nowhere he is going nowhere

At the moment it's the trump card!

[Ozyhibby]

Of course he does, he's contracted to us for one more season. He can see that out if he wants, and then move for nothing in the summer or indeed sign a pre contract with anyone he likes in January.

The club can accept any bid they want, but if he does not want to move, the club can do nowt.

He hold all the cards.

Can he afford a year sitting in the stands? Is it worth the risk of injury? What if war button gets the bullit and the new manager does not want him?

[hibsmad]

As far as moving on is concerned he 100% holds ALL the cards.

Except he only gets to move on if Hibs allow him to.

I suppose its a depends which way you look at it kind of card holding game

[essexhibee]

@AndyNewportPA: Leanne Dempster tells @PA_dugout that Hibs have received "no official approach" from Rotherham for @ScottAllan_

[pedroorange1875]

Except he only gets to move on if Hibs allow him to.

I suppose its a depends which way you look at it kind of card holding game

from what ive read i think he holds some of the cards

[J-C]

Can he afford a year sitting in the stands? Is it worth the risk of injury? What if war button gets the bullit and the new manager does not want him?


Will he sit in the stands and can we afford to let him, when all this came about I was one who was happy to let him rot in the reserves but if he stays then we definitely need him if we want a chance to win this league, unless he goes south and any money that comes in goes to a player of similar quality.

[hibsmad]

from what ive read i think he holds some of the cards

:agree: The cards do appear to be shared out between each party (apart from Sevco who have **** all cards)

[J-C]

:agree: The cards do appear to be shared out between each party (apart from Sevco who have **** all cards)


They have the Jokers.

[Spudster]

Of course he does, he's contracted to us for one more season. He can see that out if he wants, and then move for nothing in the summer or indeed sign a pre contract with anyone he likes in January.

The club can accept any bid they want, but if he does not want to move, the club can do nowt.

He hold all the cards.

I'd disagree with that. If things turn sour he spends a whole year out of football he won't get a decent contract elsewhere. If he get's injured, again he won't get a bumper offer elsewhere.

[Ozyhibby]

:agree: The cards do appear to be shared out between each party (apart from Sevco who have **** all cards)

Correct

[silverhibee]

I am proud of the roots of our club and proud of our green colours. However, I am equally proud of the way our club has evolved into a community based club where everyone no mater which creed or colour are welcome. I have no great love for Celtic but I hope they get through tonight just to annoy the servotons. Anyway we should not be doing business with any club that have not, in the past 5 years not met their income tax liabilities in full. Heat7s, this means you too !

I'm hoping Celtc get beat tonight.

[blackpoolhibs]

Can he afford a year sitting in the stands? Is it worth the risk of injury? What if war button gets the bullit and the new manager does not want him?


Why does he need to be sitting in the stand for a season, and why would he get a career threatening injury? Will Hanlon or Cummings get these too?

It makes no difference who the manager is at the end of the season, and do you really think he will be sacked before December when he could sign a pre contract?

Allan's world opens up next summer, he's free to sign for whoever he likes and his signing on fee will be around the same as any transfer fee a club would pay now, plus any wages he will get.

Why would he leave now unless it was for life changing wages?

[Brightside]

Except he only gets to move on if Hibs allow him to.

I suppose its a depends which way you look at it kind of card holding game

Indeed. IF everyone else agrees to ANY move. He still holds the River card.

[silverhibee]

So the truth is that no one outside the Club really knows. Therefore, the people saying he is having a negative influence are merely indulging in speculation.




It is also incredibly disrespectful to Allan to presume that he is being so unprofessional in his job. We know that he has put in a Transfer Request but, as you have already intimated, everything else is speculation.

I'd say that the respectful thing to do would be to give him the benefit of the doubt and judge him on what we see on the pitch. So far, he's played twice, scored once and did not look like he was giving less than his best.

That's good enough for me.

Wonder why Stubbs isn't starting him in games if everything is okay.

[Golden Bear]

We're still in talks with Rotherham according to beeb radio. Going by that, SA has presumably not entirely ruled out such a possibility of a move down there.

[silverhibee]

I reckon we have been for a wee while now.

:agree:

Just not to the new club from the West.

[Brightside]

Wonder why Stubbs isn't starting him in games if everything is okay.

There has been two games. 1 after the initial bid V that club, 2 an easy game v Montrose were we wanted to give our new signing some game time prior to the league starting. Good management

[Springbank]

Wonder why Stubbs isn't starting him in games if everything is okay.

Everything changes in September
Window shut
Four months of games where players know they can't move but need to play to keep in the shop window

There's nothing unusual in that. It happens to Liverpool,dortmund, inter, man u everyone
The key is how it's managed and Stubbs is doing a great job

[Smartie]

Sevco were dealt some cards.

1. Scott Allan is a Rangers supporter who lives in Glasgow and (reportedly) wants to join them. Not a bad card to be dealt.

2. They have a large, passionate and slightly (?) unhinged fan base. They will buy papers in their thousands if they spout mindless tat about players supposedly wanting to join them. The media/ those papers will as a result do a lot of dirty work on behalf of the club.

3. They used to be a big club. Is it hard to tell if they still are. They have a wealthy owner and millions of fans, but it is unclear whether or not they have any money. They might have bucket loads, they might be in administration in months. Nobody really knows.


It is madness to dismiss them and say they have no cards. They probably, for me, don't have enough but they have something.

Don't forget, they've managed to instigate the whole thing and it is hard to see ANY situation now that sees them worse off. They've turned our best player's head and seriously disrupted our preparation for the new season. In some respects they've already won a card game.

[Lago]

Except he only gets to move on if Hibs allow him to.

I suppose its a depends which way you look at it kind of card holding game
Mexican stand off.

[gorgie greens]

Yes English clubs can offer the money that will tempt us, i dont know what amount would tempt us, i'm guessing £700k or more?

Can you see anyone offering this amount, i'm doubt it but you never know i suppose?

If SA wants to stay and play like he has done since he came to Hibs he could become a millionaire over night with him picking up any transfer fee come next summer ,if we did get an offer of £700k I would sell if I was in that position but having him here till the end of the season might not be a bad thing ,the cost of trying to replace that quality is expensive ,
Anymore Sauzee type players out there willing to ply there trade at ER for a decent wage I would be looking at one of these moves if he goes

[blackpoolhibs]

If SA wants to stay and play like he has done since he came to Hibs he could become a millionaire over night with him picking up any transfer fee come next summer ,if we did get an offer of £700k I would sell if I was in that position but having him here till the end of the season might not be a bad thing ,the cost of trying to replace that quality is expensive ,
Anymore Sauzee type players out there willing to ply there trade at ER for a decent wage I would be looking at one of these moves if he goes

Me too, but if i was in Allan's position, i'd wait until the summer and pocket that kind of money as a signing on fee. :agree:

[Danderhall Hibs]

I think he still has a ridacard as well.

[Spudster]

Me too, but if i was in Allan's position, i'd wait until the summer and pocket that kind of money as a signing on fee. :agree:

:confused: The players don't just get handed any potential transfer fee as a signing fee. Again if he's badly injured no signing on fee or contract next summer, if he's barely played due to falling out with the club then a small signing on fee and low wages.

[The Leith Dutch]

:confused: The players don't just get handed any potential transfer fee as a signing fee. Again if he's badly injured no signing on fee or contract next summer, if he's barely played due to falling out with the club then a small signing on fee and low wages.

I presume he means that signing on fees are likely to be significantly higher in the event of the buying club not having to pay a transfer fee.
As for the getting injured or playing badly I'd imagine he doesn't base his future planning on a worst case scenario.

Doesn't mean he definitely gets a big signing on fee but a decent season and available on a free makes it a distinct possibility.

[ancient hibee]

As far as moving on is concerned he 100% holds ALL the cards.


If he did he'd be at Rangers wouldn't he?He's not so he doesn't.

[HFC 0-7]

Me too, but if i was in Allan's position, i'd wait until the summer and pocket that kind of money as a signing on fee. :agree:

why would you think he would get anything like that as a signing on fee?

[E10 Rifle]

For me the only happy resolution to this will be if he rescinds his transfer request. If he doesn't do that I can't see how it will end well either for us as supporters or the team on the pitch. I'm no expert and football may be different to the team sports I played in and dressings I was part of; his team mates for instance may after all be sympathetic and understand that it's a business and he needs to get as a good a deal for himself as possible when he can; however it's also a sport and drawing comparisons with mine (and probably many of your experiences in sport) I can't believe the dressing room will be thrilled to play with a player who deems himself better and worth more than his current colleagues, no matter how good an individual player he is. I would in all probability be thinking to myself - get rid of him and let us win the league without him.

Thankfully those running the club seem to be switched on and know the 'get rid' option should not include to those vile plums through in the West, but I can't see it working unless he cancels his transfer request and get's on with it - otherwise I reckon we'll negotiate for the best price and punt him as far away from ER as we can for all our sakes.

[Smartie]

why would you think he would get anything like that as a signing on fee?

To sign him now a club will have to pay us a fee, pay him a signing on fee and agree wages with him. This is money that these clubs have budgeted for and are prepared to pay.

To sign him next year they don't need to pay us a penny, potentially leaving them with a lot more money to clinch a deal with the player.

I doubt he'd be able to pocket it all but he could certainly take a fair old whack of it.

You might also get clubs involved who baulk a bit at paying transfer fees but may be happy to up the wages component a bit.

There's no doubt he will have more, and better, options next year. Unless he gets injured or starts acting up meaning that he looks too much of a troublemaker for clubs to take a risk on.

[Onion]

Me too, but if i was in Allan's position, i'd wait until the summer and pocket that kind of money as a signing on fee. :agree:

Just hope his stupid agent doesn't advise him to ignore other clubs. It would cost him nowt to speak to them and discuss personal terms which might include a sign on fee.

The Huns are still a basket case of a club, so who knows how they'll be fixed come January or next summer for that matter.

[ancient hibee]

His colleagues know how football works-which is basically every man for himself when it comes to making a deal.The idea that somehow they won't play with him is laughable-they know he's the best player.

[HFC 0-7]

To sign him now a club will have to pay us a fee, pap him a signing on fee and agree wages with him. This is money that these clubs have budgeted for and are prepared to pay.

To sign him next year they don't need to pay us a penny, potentially leaving them with a lot more money to clinch a deal with the player.

I doubt he'd be able to pocket it all but he could certainly take a fair old whack of it.

You might also get clubs involved who baulk a bit at paying transfer fees but may be happy to up the wages component a bit.

There's no doubt he will have more, and better, options next year. Unless he gets injured or starts acting up meaning that he looks too much of a troublemaker for clubs to take a risk on.

i think you are over estimating how much players get these days for signing on. He wants to go to rangers he will be getting a large wage increase, he won't care if it's £1 he is getting! Do you think we are shelling out massive signing on fees when we pick up a player that is out of contract? It doesn't happen!

anyway, the post I quoted referred to pocketing that sort fee as a signing on fee rather than a transfer fee. If you think a club like Rangers or Rotherham would pay Scott Allan, as a free transfer,250-500k, you are crazy!

[blackpoolhibs]

:confused: The players don't just get handed any potential transfer fee as a signing fee. Again if he's badly injured no signing on fee or contract next summer, if he's barely played due to falling out with the club then a small signing on fee and low wages.


If he waits until the summer, he will get a big signing on fee or a small one and a bigger weekly wage. I wonder if some of the folk who post on here know anything about footballers and the way transfers work? :confused:

[ancient hibee]

If he waits until the summer, he will get a big signing on fee or a small one and a bigger weekly wage. I wonder if some of the folk who post on here know anything about footballers and the way transfers work? :confused:

Seems unlikely:greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

Seems unlikely:greengrin


:greengrin

[Arch Stanton]

For me the only happy resolution to this will be if he rescinds his transfer request. If he doesn't do that I can't see how it will end well either for us as supporters or the team on the pitch. I'm no expert and football may be different to the team sports I played in and dressings I was part of; his team mates for instance may after all be sympathetic and understand that it's a business and he needs to get as a good a deal for himself as possible when he can; however it's also a sport and drawing comparisons with mine (and probably many of your experiences in sport) I can't believe the dressing room will be thrilled to play with a player who deems himself better and worth more than his current colleagues, no matter how good an individual player he is. I would in all probability be thinking to myself - get rid of him and let us win the league without him.

Thankfully those running the club seem to be switched on and know the 'get rid' option should not include to those vile plums through in the West, but I can't see it working unless he cancels his transfer request and get's on with it - otherwise I reckon we'll negotiate for the best price and punt him as far away from ER as we can for all our sakes.

"I would in all probability be thinking to myself - get rid of him and let us win the league without him." - right Roy of the Rovers sentiments there - made me laugh!

[HFC 0-7]

If he waits until the summer, he will get a big signing on fee or a small one and a bigger weekly wage. I wonder if some of the folk who post on here know anything about footballers and the way transfers work? :confused:

You seem to think allan would be able to get about the same amount of money that they are trying to use as a signing fee for a player that is in contract and give it to him when he is a free agent! Do you think Rotherham would wait until he is a free agent and then give him more wages and 400k? Do you think Rangers, given they can't even afford 250k upfront, would just give him that when he is a free agent?

[ancient hibee]

"I would in all probability be thinking to myself - get rid of him and let us win the league without him." - right Roy of the Rovers sentiments there - made me laugh!


Don't suppose Roy's available is he?

[JJP]

I'm pretty relaxed about the situation now. Both Hibernian and Scott will have to agree on whatever happens next but at least we know he won't be playing for the tribute act this season. I was very impressed with his attitude on Saturday and regret my initial reaction to his transfer request. It must be difficult for anyone not to have their head turned by the offer of more money and to play for the club you support. I'm sure if he stays here he will be a professional and do his job and give his all to get us promotion back to where we belong. If Rangers are to be promoted this season as well, they will need to achieve that without any help from Scott Allan.

If he leaves to play in England then it is obviously what the club feel is the best way forward for us and I'll wish Scott all the best in the rest of his career.

[Jim44]

We're still in talks with Rotherham according to beeb radio. Going by that, SA has presumably not entirely ruled out such a possibility of a move down there.

BBC News reports, 20 minutes apart:

1st Report by Richard Wilson.

Sevco make a third bid, rejection expected but not yet confirmed.
Hibs in negotiations with Rotherham. Allan unlikely to accept a move to England.
Sevco likely to sign SA on a pre-contract in December but a cash deal between the two clubs in December not to be ruled out.

2nd Report by John Barnes.

Sevco have made a third bid, having had two bids rejected.
Hibs in talks with Rotherham after a bid from the Championship Club.

Richard Wilson - Sevco supporter

John Barnes. - ? supporter.

Does the news editor not vett what they are about to announce?

[blackpoolhibs]

You seem to think allan would be able to get about the same amount of money that they are trying to use as a signing fee for a player that is in contract and give it to him when he is a free agent! Do you think Rotherham would wait until he is a free agent and then give him more wages and 400k? Do you think Rangers, given they can't even afford 250k upfront, would just give him that when he is a free agent?

Of course he'd get that amount or very near, do you think they would not give him any wages if they paid a transfer fee for him?

Its how it works, thats why some players run down their contract, they do it because THEY get what would normally go to the club either in signing on fee's or higher wages.

[E10 Rifle]

"I would in all probability be thinking to myself - get rid of him and let us win the league without him." - right Roy of the Rovers sentiments there - made me laugh!

Remember that Roy took the money to sign for Walford Rovers and it didn't work out well for him there...and Melchester did alright

[Kojock]

If he waits until the summer, he will get a big signing on fee or a small one and a bigger weekly wage. I wonder if some of the folk who post on here know anything about footballers and the way transfers work? :confused:

And that's the gamble, what happens if Sevco don't get promoted would they want him then.

[hibs0666]

BBC News reports, 20 minutes apart:

1st Report by Richard Wilson.

Sevco make a third bid, rejection expected but not yet confirmed.
Hibs in negotiations with Rotherham. Allan unlikely to accept a move to England.
Sevco likely to sign SA on a pre-contract in December but a cash deal between the two clubs in December not to be ruled out.

2nd Report by John Barnes.

Sevco have made a third bid, having had two bids rejected.
Hibs in talks with Rotherham after a bid from the Championship Club.

Richard Wilson - Sevco supporter

John Barnes. - ? supporter.

Does the news editor not vett what they are about to announce?

John Barnes is a Kilmarnock supporter.

[blackpoolhibs]

And that's the gamble, what happens if Sevco don't get promoted would they want him then.


Would he really be that bothered, he'd be free to any club that wanted him and get the wages and signing on fee a player like him would demand.

At the end of the day, he will look after himself if your scenario happened.

[Pete]

BBC News reports, 20 minutes apart:

1st Report by Richard Wilson.

Sevco make a third bid, rejection expected but not yet confirmed.
Hibs in negotiations with Rotherham. Allan unlikely to accept a move to England.
Sevco likely to sign SA on a pre-contract in December but a cash deal between the two clubs in December not to be ruled out.

2nd Report by John Barnes.

Sevco have made a third bid, having had two bids rejected.
Hibs in talks with Rotherham after a bid from the Championship Club.

Richard Wilson - Sevco supporter

John Barnes. - ? supporter.

Does the news editor not vett what they are about to announce?

Cash deal in December?

These desperados just don't get it.

[3pm]

Of course he does, he's contracted to us for one more season. He can see that out if he wants, and then move for nothing in the summer or indeed sign a pre contract with anyone he likes in January.

The club can accept any bid they want, but if he does not want to move, the club can do nowt.

He hold all the cards.

December for pre-contract.

[JJP]

Sevco likely to sign SA on a pre-contract in December but a cash deal between the two clubs in December not to be ruled out.


Says who!? Rangers? Richard Wilson? I'm happy to rule it out right now:greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

December for pre-contract.


I personally think he'd be daft, but he is a weegie. :wink:

[3pm]

I personally think he'd be daft, but he is a wee arse. :wink:

Fixed.

[Kojock]

Would he really be that bothered, he'd be free to any club that wanted him and get the wages and signing on fee a player like him would demand.

At the end of the day, he will look after himself if your scenario happened.

Oh my mistake, I didn't realise it was all about money. I thought it was all to do with the big bad Hibs depriving him of playing for his boyhood heroes. :-(

[Thecat23]

@AgentScotland: Wigan are interested in Scott Allan & are toying with the idea of bidding £600k for him, Caldwell watched him personally 4 times last Season

That's not true he watched him 4 times! Source.... Gary himself!

[greenginger]

And that's the gamble, what happens if Sevco don't get promoted would they want him then.


And what happens if the tribute act follows the original Rangers into administration and liquidation. Would he be happy playing for his boyhood heroes in non-league football.

He'd be in his testimonial season before he had the possibility of seeing top league football. :greengrin

Someone should warn Scott to be careful what he wishes for and signs up to.

[SquashedFrogg]

Cash deal in December?

These desperados just don't get it.

It's actually scary to think about that level of intellect.

Of course we would sell him for less money in Jan, just as we head into a potential title run-in.... :rolleyes:

[gorgie greens]

I personally think he'd be daft, but he is a weegie. :wink:

He may be Gary ,but there also be others on the table and when it comes down to money a club down South will win every time ,I for one would not want the weedgie goldfish bowl and the fact that he has said he wants to try England sgain may work in our favour this transfer window

[SquashedFrogg]

He may be Gary ,but there also be others on the table and when it comes down to money a club down South will win every time ,I for one would not want the weedgie goldfish bowl and the fact that he has said he wants to try England sgain may work in our favour this transfer window

The boy is clearly talented. I can't believe his priority isn't to head back down to England. Old firm players with any ability head there as quickly as they can, so he would just be cutting out the middle man.

I guess it's down to mentality and lack of general ambition with the boy (perhaps why he never made it on his first attempt?).

[Jim44]

At last, an observation from an astute Sevconian, on FF's mega- Scott Allan thread:


"This thread has went total mental nearly 300 pages of complete pish."

[Beefster]

If Allan's going, get him to **** as soon as possible.

[magpie1892]

At last, an observation from an astute Sevconian, on FF's mega- Scott Allan thread:


"This thread has went total mental nearly 300 pages of complete pish."

My personal favourite was the sevconian who suggested that hun's fourth bid should be less than their third. Classic stuff.

Well, well - the Peepul being outbid by Rotherham.

[tamig]

Says who!? Rangers? Richard Wilson? I'm happy to rule it out right now:greengrin

The transfer window isn't even open then. And the club certainly won't entertain any hun cash offer in the January window. Absolute pish from Wilson.

[HFC 0-7]

Of course he'd get that amount or very near, do you think they would not give him any wages if they paid a transfer fee for him?

Its how it works, thats why some players run down their contract, they do it because THEY get what would normally go to the club either in signing on fee's or higher wages.

Wages and signing on fees are different things!! I guess what you are saying is that if they don't pay a transfer fee they can offer more wages? Thats very different from a signing on fee! If you think that all the money that would have went on a signing fee would have went to them in addition to their wGes then you are deluded.

[tamig]

Wages and signing on fees are different things!! I guess what you are saying is that if they don't pay a transfer fee they can offer more wages? Thats very different from a signing on fee! If you think that all the money that would have went on a signing fee would have went to them in addition to their wGes then you are deluded.
A signing on fee will always be part of the package. If no transfer fee involved - higher signing on fee. It's how freedom of contract works.

[bingo70]

If Allan's going, get him to **** as soon as possible.

I disagree, what's the rush?

if he's going lets get as much money as we can for him and if he can help us to a win or two while we wait on some folk coming back from injury then all the better.

[tamig]

I disagree, what's the rush?

if he's going lets get as much money as we can for him and if he can help us to a win or two while we wait on some folk coming back from injury then all the better.
Exactly. I don't get why anyone would want him out the door asap.

[HFC 0-7]

A signing on fee will always be part of the package. If no transfer fee involved - higher signing on fee. It's how freedom of contract works.

Nonsense. If there is no transfer fee involved the club could possibly put more towards the players salary. A signing on fee is a one off lump payment. Hibs sign plenty of free transfers, how many of them get a one off lump sum?

[jdships]

A signing on fee will always be part of the package. If no transfer fee involved - higher signing on fee. It's how freedom of contract works.

In 1951 I was given a " free" with wages of around £7.0.0d +
win bonus.
I was offered the same money and £50 signing on fee !
That equates to seven weeks wages approx !!
Appears that a player on a "free" and of no great standard could now easily make £ 10.000 from a signing on fee .
Would that seem right to those who know todays wage scales ?

:rolleyes:

[HFC 0-7]

In 1951 I was given a " free" with wages of around £7.0.0d +
win bonus.
I was offered the same money and £50 signing on fee !
That equates to seven weeks wages approx !!
Appears that a player on a "free" and of no great standard could now easily make £ 10.000 from a signing on fee .
Would that seem right to those who know todays wage scales ?

:rolleyes:

Even if that was the case, my original post was questioning a poster that thought it would be beneficial for a player to see out their contract so that they could move on a free and pocket the sort of money that had been offered to buy the player. Could you see Rangers giving Scott allan 300k as a signing on fee in addition to his wage increase from hibs to Rangers? Or 400k from Rotherham. Surely it would be beneficial for that player to move now and start his large wage increase a year early?

If he is on 2k a week at hibs now, and is offered 8 k a week at Rangers, he would rake in about 300k more than what he would have had he stayed at hibs!

[tamig]

Nonsense. If there is no transfer fee involved the club could possibly put more towards the players salary. A signing on fee is a one off lump payment. Hibs sign plenty of free transfers, how many of them get a one off lump sum?

Not going to argue but it's far from nonsense. I would reckon the bulk of our signings will have received a signing on fee. Are you suggesting we don't pay them?