(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[theonlywayisup]

Well, it's almost here!!

The unbelievable is about to happen tomorrow.

I wonder how it's all going to pan out.

Whatever happens, it's going to be a roller coaster. Hold on................

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/

[Colr]

It's going to be interesting.

I have to say that I'm rather repelled by the protestors and a list rent-a-gobs whining and doom saying about it.

Here was a vote. He won. He has to be given the chance to get on with it. If folk don't like what he does, then campaign and protest but don't argue the result. Democracy is too important to be undermined in this way.

They'll end up looking bloody stupid if things go well for him anyway and he'll get two terms!

[steakbake]

People have a right to protest, to whine and to predict disaster - even in a democracy. If things go badly for him, it'll be the alt-right and their conservative friends who will be looking ridiculous for having backed such a cretin in the first place.

Here's a guy who won the electoral college, but lost the popular vote by near enough 3mil. Someone who has a range of fraud and sexual assault allegations lining up behind him, who clearly has a very loose understanding of the world he's about to enter and who has surrounded himself with a range of right-wing cranks as advisers. This is not going to end well and as worrying as it is to see him ascend to power, it will be joyous to watch him fall.

I'd have no problem if he was your standard, right wing republican type who maybe has a vague grasp on some of the big issues around the world or knows when to hold his or her tongue as befits the status of the office. However, that's not what we have - he's got a paper-thin skin, he's impulsive and a compulsive liar.

He will be given time - there's no other option - but my money is on him not seeing out his full term.

[Moulin Yarns]

Advice to President Trump, avoid grassy knolls and book repositories, particularly in Dallas.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Advice to President Trump, avoid grassy knolls and book repositories, particularly in Dallas.

Thats pretty much what I would tell him too.

[Colr]

People have a right to protest, to whine and to predict disaster - even in a democracy. If things go badly for him, it'll be the alt-right and their conservative friends who will be looking ridiculous for having backed such a cretin in the first place.

Here's a guy who won the electoral college, but lost the popular vote by near enough 3mil. Someone who has a range of fraud and sexual assault allegations lining up behind him, who clearly has a very loose understanding of the world he's about to enter and who has surrounded himself with a range of right-wing cranks as advisers. This is not going to end well and as worrying as it is to see him ascend to power, it will be joyous to watch him fall.

I'd have no problem if he was your standard, right wing republican type who maybe has a vague grasp on some of the big issues around the world or knows when to hold his or her tongue as befits the status of the office. However, that's not what we have - he's got a paper-thin skin, he's impulsive and a compulsive liar.

He will be given time - there's no other option - but my money is on him not seeing out his full term.

I didn't say they couldn't do it! I said I was not impressed by it! ....and ultimately it might undermine the liberal cause (which would be a pity).

[Beefster]

Thats pretty much what I would tell him too.

I'd tell him to start acting like a decent human being or **** off.

[lord bunberry]

I'd tell him to start acting like a decent human being or **** off.

Being what he is has gotten him the biggest gig on the planet, I can't see him changing anytime soon unfortunately.

[GreenLake]

I didn't watch any of the previous inaugurations and have no plans to watch this one. Another President will tell us what he is going to do for the next four years and then carry out the exact opposite.

Hopefully everything will pass in a tediously boring ennui and protesters will have pished off home before the Laker game starts.

GBA

[marinello59]

I didn't watch any of the previous inaugurations and have no plans to watch this one. Another President will tell us what he is going to do for the next four years and then carry out the exact opposite.

Hopefully everything will pass in a tediously boring ennui and protesters will have pished off home before the Laker game starts.

GBA

I'm not going to watch something I wasn't going to watch anyway. That'll show him. :greengrin

[Sergey]

I'm not going to watch something I wasn't going to watch anyway. That'll show him. :greengrin

Bloody killjoy - AFC Wimbledonesque

[snooky]

Advice to President Trump, avoid grassy knolls and book repositories, particularly in Dallas.

The Democrats advice to President Trump, visit grassy knolls and book repositories, particularly in Dallas.
Also, take in a play, a concert or a train ride. :wink:

The only thing I will say about Trumpton is that he's the proverbial fox in the chicken roost.
The smug little power cliques in Washington (& likewise Westminster) are finally being shown up for what they are. Make no mistake, Donnie Boy is in there as a protest vote. Sit back and watch the feathers fly.

[Beefster]

Being what he is has gotten him the biggest gig on the planet, I can't see him changing anytime soon unfortunately.

I know but I could rest easy knowing I had done my bit!

[The Green Goblin]

This is the worst speech ever written. Utter fantasy, almost a parody of itself, poorly articulated in a man-child's voice.

If you alienate the NSA, CIA et al and key players in your own party, then there are some unpleasant chickens that might get together before coming home to roost. Grassy knolls etc. indeed.

[johnbc70]

This is the worst speech ever written. Utter fantasy, almost a parody of itself, poorly articulated in a man-child's voice.

If you alienate the NSA, CIA et al and key players in your own party, then there are some unpleasant chickens that might get together before coming home to roost. Grassy knolls etc. indeed.

His speech delivered exactly what the people that voted for him wanted, they will be delighted.

[GreenLake]

I'm not going to watch something I wasn't going to watch anyway. That'll show him. :greengrin

I wouldn't have not done exactly the same for Hitlery. :wink:

[silverhibee]

Dumb & Dumber being interviewed on SN.

[Pretty Boy]

This is the worst speech ever written. Utter fantasy, almost a parody of itself, poorly articulated in a man-child's voice.

If you alienate the NSA, CIA et al and key players in your own party, then there are some unpleasant chickens that might get together before coming home to roost. Grassy knolls etc. indeed.

The BBC analyst nailed it.

His speech preached about putting America first to create jobs etc but his ire was aimed at 'Asia' and 'Mexico' when it should be aimed at robots that don't carry passports. Unless he has a time machine that can turn the clock back to the 1950s his job creation plans are pure fantasy.

Also is it just me or is Melania Trumps body language really strange. She's like a mannequin. You see the Obamas and they look genuinely close and intimate with each other. Mrs Trump looks like she's paid to be there.

[Jim44]

Trump better protect his rug as the helicopter takes off.

[hibsbollah]

The only way to deal with this reality is to pretend it isn't happening.

:flying:

[Colr]

This is the worst speech ever written. Utter fantasy, almost a parody of itself, poorly articulated in a man-child's voice.

If you alienate the NSA, CIA et al and key players in your own party, then there are some unpleasant chickens that might get together before coming home to roost. Grassy knolls etc. indeed.

He's like an inarticulate Gordon Gekko

[Jim44]

Trump is playing into the hands of Russia. He will put NATO's head on a plate for Putin and jeapordise world peace. God forbid, but my jaw dropped at the TV commentator's initial description of the new Vice-President ....... here is the man who will step into breach in the event of an assassination. Talk about tempting fate.

[Pretty Boy]

And aside from all else he's an absolutely terrible orator.

[Hibrandenburg]

Trump is playing into the hands of Russia. He will put NATO's head on a plate for Putin and jeapordise world peace. God forbid, but my jaw dropped at the TV commentator's initial description of the new Vice-President ....... here is the man who will step into breach in the event of an assassination. Talk about tempting fate.

Trump sees Europe as economical competition, if he and Putin can destabilise Europe economically then it's win win for them.

[JimBHibees]

I'd tell him to start acting like a decent human being or **** off.

Indeed.

[Colr]

Interesting to see all the protestors in London signing and erecting banners on the Millennium Bridge.

I was down there from 2 o' clock this afternoon and didn't see any of the *******. They must have turned up for 5 minutes to get their photos taken and then pissed off back to the student union.

[Pete]

"The carnage stops now!"

It's about time someone took a tough stance on gun ownership.

[Scouse Hibee]

"The carnage stops now!"

It's about time someone took a tough stance on gun ownership.

Or indeed encouraged his haters to buy more ;-)

[lord bunberry]

The BBC analyst nailed it.

His speech preached about putting America first to create jobs etc but his ire was aimed at 'Asia' and 'Mexico' when it should be aimed at robots that don't carry passports. Unless he has a time machine that can turn the clock back to the 1950s his job creation plans are pure fantasy.

Also is it just me or is Melania Trumps body language really strange. She's like a mannequin. You see the Obamas and they look genuinely close and intimate with each other. Mrs Trump looks like she's paid to be there.
I'm not sure his job creation plan is pure fantasy. If you stop or put hefty tariffs on imports, then you make what you produce at home more attractive. I'm not sure if that would make things more expensive for American businesses or not.
Without trying to be sensationalist, there's a lot of similarities between what he is saying and what hitler was saying in the 1930s. If you add that to the fact that Russia are further down the road with a similar philosophy, it doesn't bode well for the rest of the world.
Right now the world looks very similar to the 1930s, the positive is that at the moment we don't have a major aggressor to bring the two sides to conflict.

[heretoday]

Well, despite everything, I'm sure we all hope he does a good job.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

The BBC analyst nailed it.

His speech preached about putting America first to create jobs etc but his ire was aimed at 'Asia' and 'Mexico' when it should be aimed at robots that don't carry passports. Unless he has a time machine that can turn the clock back to the 1950s his job creation plans are pure fantasy.

Also is it just me or is Melania Trumps body language really strange. She's like a mannequin. You see the Obamas and they look genuinely close and intimate with each other. Mrs Trump looks like she's paid to be there.

I doubt she is with him for his charm, wit and good looks... 😀

[lord bunberry]

I doubt she is with him for his charm, wit and good looks... 😀
She does his hair apparently. She is his most prised asset :greengrin

[NAE NOOKIE]

The art of diplomacy is to not say the things you want to say, or to say the things you want to say in a way that makes it look like you're not saying them and to kiss the arse of people and regimes you despise, at least in public ...... Trump doesn't appear to have any of these attributes.

His America first credo has another name .... 'protectionism' .... decades ago that was a system that rarely worked, in today's global economy it has absolutely no chance of working. The big American manufacturers build cars and a million other products abroad so that they can import them to the US and sell them at a fraction of the cost of cars etc produced at home. If Trump gets his way and the car companies for example have to build in the US paying US wages and taxes that car that cost you $5,000 will cost you $8,000.

He can impose higher import duty on Japanese, Chinese and European products to make them more expensive, but that wont make American goods any cheaper at home, meaning that US employers will have to pay higher wages making producing at home even more expensive and that expense will have to be passed on to the consumer.

In this global economy does he really think that making it more expensive for the outside world to import to the US wont go by without retaliation ...... in the blink of an eye the Chinese, Japanese and Europeans will slap import tax on American goods that will make their eyes water ..... and with all these goods being produced in the US being more expensive due to them having to pay higher wages and then having massive import duties slapped on them by foreign governments, why would a European want to buy a Motorola mobile phone made in the good ol' USA when he can buy a Samsung phone made in China that is just as good but half the price?

Then there's the steel plants ...... yes perhaps the USA can revive its steel industry, but the only folk who would want to buy their steel produced at twice or three times the price of Chinese steel are the US car giants and construction industry, but once again that will push up the price of building cars and anything else using US steel and that means they either increase wages or have a whole domestic US economy where nobody can afford to buy anything.

President Trump has already made noises about NATO being obsolete and today in his inauguration speech he made a thinly veiled threat that his United States will no longer be willing to commit troops and resources to protect outside countries, which sounds to me like giving little or no support to the security of the countries bordering his new best buddy Vladimir Putin's Russia.
In which case all of the countries concerned like Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine and Turkey, not to mention Germany, France and the UK will be galvanised into producing their own weapons rather than relying on importing arms from the US which no doubt many of them do ...... If Trump goes down this line the first thing the UK should threaten to do is cancel Trident on the premise that we have no confidence in the USA's ability or willingness to supply the aftercare the system needs if we do buy it.

I'm beginning to think the Donald hasn't really thought this through.

[lord bunberry]

The art of diplomacy is to not say the things you want to say, or to say the things you want to say in a way that makes it look like you're not saying them and to kiss the arse of people and regimes you despise, at least in public ...... Trump doesn't appear to have any of these attributes.

His America first credo has another name .... 'protectionism' .... decades ago that was a system that rarely worked, in today's global economy it has absolutely no chance of working. The big American manufacturers build cars and a million other products abroad so that they can import them to the US and sell them at a fraction of the cost of cars etc produced at home. If Trump gets his way and the car companies for example have to build in the US paying US wages and taxes that car that cost you $5,000 will cost you $8,000.

He can impose higher import duty on Japanese, Chinese and European products to make them more expensive, but that wont make American goods any cheaper at home, meaning that US employers will have to pay higher wages making producing at home even more expensive and that expense will have to be passed on to the consumer.

In this global economy does he really think that making it more expensive for the outside world to import to the US wont go by without retaliation ...... in the blink of an eye the Chinese, Japanese and Europeans will slap import tax on American goods that will make their eyes water ..... and with all these goods being produced in the US being more expensive due to them having to pay higher wages and then having massive import duties slapped on them by foreign governments, why would a European want to buy a Motorola mobile phone made in the good ol' USA when he can buy a Samsung phone made in China that is just as good but half the price?

Then there's the steel plants ...... yes perhaps the USA can revive its steel industry, but the only folk who would want to buy their steel produced at twice or three times the price of Chinese steel are the US car giants and construction industry, but once again that will push up the price of building cars and anything else using US steel and that means they either increase wages or have a whole domestic US economy where nobody can afford to buy anything.

President Trump has already made noises about NATO being obsolete and today in his inauguration speech he made a thinly veiled threat that his United States will no longer be willing to commit troops and resources to protect outside countries, which sounds to me like giving little or no support to the security of the countries bordering his new best buddy Vladimir Putin's Russia.
In which case all of the countries concerned like Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine and Turkey, not to mention Germany, France and the UK will be galvanised into producing their own weapons rather than relying on importing arms from the US which no doubt many of them do ...... If Trump goes down this line the first thing the UK should threaten to do is cancel Trident on the premise that we have no confidence in the USA's ability or willingness to supply the aftercare the system needs if we do buy it.

I'm beginning to think the Donald hasn't really thought this through.
While I agree with almost all of that, there's a danger that we might have a bit of a dominoe effect of countries adopting similar policies to try and protect industry in their own countries. Of all the countries that adopt this policy the USA has the least to lose. We are already hearing very similar noises from our government after the brexit vote and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that other European countries might follow in our wake.
Right now the world is a broken place, where the rich get richer and the rest struggle, whether what trump has to offer will make things better or worse remains to be seen.

[NAE NOOKIE]

While I agree with almost all of that, there's a danger that we might have a bit of a dominoe effect of countries adopting similar policies to try and protect industry in their own countries. Of all the countries that adopt this policy the USA has the least to lose. We are already hearing very similar noises from our government after the brexit vote and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that other European countries might follow in our wake.
Right now the world is a broken place, where the rich get richer and the rest struggle, whether what trump has to offer will make things better or worse remains to be seen.

Exactly mate .... the domino effect in trade is another possible effect of all this, the end result could be that everything gets more expensive for everybody everywhere ... as usual it will be the little guy who loses and that includes the little American guy who Trump claims to be the champion of.

[Mon Dieu4]

I've just watched it and fair enough I'm pretty jacked right now, bar the America first, America first, I've no clue what he was harping on about, proper radge

[lord bunberry]

Exactly mate .... the domino effect in trade is another possible effect of all this, the end result could be that everything gets more expensive for everybody everywhere ... as usual it will be the little guy who loses and that includes the little American guy who Trump claims to be the champion of.
:agree: 50 years ago we had nearly full employment, but almost everyone was poor and life expectancy was far lower than it is today. I always laugh when I hear politicians from UKIP talk about making Britain great again. Great for who?

[Slavers]

:agree: 50 years ago we had nearly full employment, but almost everyone was poor and life expectancy was far lower than it is today. I always laugh when I hear politicians from UKIP talk about making Britain great again. Great for who?

Themselves!

[lord bunberry]

Themselves!
And their wealthy friends

[pacorosssco]

Advice to President Trump, avoid grassy knolls and book repositories, particularly in Dallas.

And cigars. They can have mind of own

[Colr]

The art of diplomacy is to not say the things you want to say, or to say the things you want to say in a way that makes it look like you're not saying them and to kiss the arse of people and regimes you despise, at least in public ...... Trump doesn't appear to have any of these attributes.

His America first credo has another name .... 'protectionism' .... decades ago that was a system that rarely worked, in today's global economy it has absolutely no chance of working. The big American manufacturers build cars and a million other products abroad so that they can import them to the US and sell them at a fraction of the cost of cars etc produced at home. If Trump gets his way and the car companies for example have to build in the US paying US wages and taxes that car that cost you $5,000 will cost you $8,000.

He can impose higher import duty on Japanese, Chinese and European products to make them more expensive, but that wont make American goods any cheaper at home, meaning that US employers will have to pay higher wages making producing at home even more expensive and that expense will have to be passed on to the consumer.

In this global economy does he really think that making it more expensive for the outside world to import to the US wont go by without retaliation ...... in the blink of an eye the Chinese, Japanese and Europeans will slap import tax on American goods that will make their eyes water ..... and with all these goods being produced in the US being more expensive due to them having to pay higher wages and then having massive import duties slapped on them by foreign governments, why would a European want to buy a Motorola mobile phone made in the good ol' USA when he can buy a Samsung phone made in China that is just as good but half the price?

Then there's the steel plants ...... yes perhaps the USA can revive its steel industry, but the only folk who would want to buy their steel produced at twice or three times the price of Chinese steel are the US car giants and construction industry, but once again that will push up the price of building cars and anything else using US steel and that means they either increase wages or have a whole domestic US economy where nobody can afford to buy anything.

President Trump has already made noises about NATO being obsolete and today in his inauguration speech he made a thinly veiled threat that his United States will no longer be willing to commit troops and resources to protect outside countries, which sounds to me like giving little or no support to the security of the countries bordering his new best buddy Vladimir Putin's Russia.
In which case all of the countries concerned like Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine and Turkey, not to mention Germany, France and the UK will be galvanised into producing their own weapons rather than relying on importing arms from the US which no doubt many of them do ...... If Trump goes down this line the first thing the UK should threaten to do is cancel Trident on the premise that we have no confidence in the USA's ability or willingness to supply the aftercare the system needs if we do buy it.

I'm beginning to think the Donald hasn't really thought this through.

Best invest in US stock. Inflation will push it quite high, I think. He will present that as success.

[Colr]

I've just watched it and fair enough I'm pretty jacked right now, bar the America first, America first, I've no clue what he was harping on about, proper radge

Its difficult to say what any of his retoric will actually mean.

[pacorosssco]

Best invest in US stock. Inflation will push it quite high, I think. He will present that as success.

Yes very possible and will boost his portfolios while looking indirect influence.

[Betty Boop]

An Executive Order signed to dismantle Obama care. He didn't waste much time.

[hibsbollah]

An Executive Order signed to dismantle Obama care. He didn't waste much time.

Keep an eye on Cuba over the next month. That'll tell us a lot about how he plans to balance isolationism vs expansionism.

[The Green Goblin]

An Executive Order signed to dismantle Obama care. He didn't waste much time.

He also removed all reference to LGBT rights, the history of the civil rights movement and climate change from the White House website.

Money and patriotism are the order of the day. Expect to see an unprecedented awakening in the Arts (all of it: film, music, literature etc.) and powerful works of fear, resistance and protest over the next four years (if he makes it that far).

[makaveli1875]

the funny thing about yesterday for me was seeing protesters carrying placards about saying stand up to hate and fascism , setting fire to cars , smashing up shops and assaulting retirement age military veterans in the streets

these 'liberals' really are a confused bunch

only interested in democracy when the result goes their way , and are against hate and fascism until they feel the need to go on a hate fuelled violent rampage

[NAE NOOKIE]

He also removed all reference to LGBT rights, the history of the civil rights movement and climate change from the White House website.

Money and patriotism are the order of the day. Expect to see an unprecedented awakening in the Arts (all of it: film, music, literature etc.) and powerful works of fear, resistance and protest over the next four years (if he makes it that far).

Its a good point .... nothing galvanises popular culture and the arts like having self serving right wing ********s in charge .... the late 70s and 80s being a prime example.

[NAE NOOKIE]

the funny thing about yesterday for me was seeing protesters carrying placards about saying stand up to hate and fascism , setting fire to cars , smashing up shops and assaulting retirement age military veterans in the streets

these 'liberals' really are a confused bunch

only interested in democracy when the result goes their way , and are against hate and fascism until they feel the need to go on a hate fuelled violent rampage

Totally agree ...... I'm always confused as to why folk protesting against what they see as despots or fascists think they will get their point over, or public support, by trashing shops and offices belonging to folk they claim to be wanting to help .... I cant think of anything more counter productive.

[GreenLake]

Keep an eye on Cuba over the next month. That'll tell us a lot about how he plans to balance isolationism vs expansionism.

I legally brought a bottle of Habana Club back from Panama and I will be gutted if Trump brings back a ban on Cuban rum.

[Hibrandenburg]

the funny thing about yesterday for me was seeing protesters carrying placards about saying stand up to hate and fascism , setting fire to cars , smashing up shops and assaulting retirement age military veterans in the streets

these 'liberals' really are a confused bunch

only interested in democracy when the result goes their way , and are against hate and fascism until they feel the need to go on a hate fuelled violent rampage

Liberals? Really? The moment you start smashing up the place, you're not a liberal.

[theonlywayisup]

Lots of protests in the US and around the world.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-38682569

[theonlywayisup]

Lots of protests in the US and around the world.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-38682569

And in Edinburgh.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-38704352

2,000 at the US consulate.

[Betty Boop]

Huge turnout at demonstrations, being kettled in Washington and Chicago.

[Slavers]

What are the protestors hoping to achieve? I have watched alot of coverage online and it's a motley crew who are out protesting with very cringe worthy chants.

[CropleyWasGod]

What are the protestors hoping to achieve? I have watched alot of coverage online and it's a motley crew who are out protesting with very cringe worthy chants.
The same as any demonstration. Raising awareness, and making sure that those in power know they're there.

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[The Green Goblin]

What are the protestors hoping to achieve? I have watched alot of coverage online and it's a motley crew who are out protesting with very cringe worthy chants.

For the answer to the bit in bold, see: civil rights movement, poll tax, anti-LGBT laws, Dakota pipeline, climate change, etc. etc.

They are reminding the incoming administration, with everything that means, that they will be held accountable and do not have a free hand to just do whatever they want.

[Colr]

For the answer to the bit in bold, see: civil rights movement, poll tax, anti-LGBT laws, Dakota pipeline, climate change, etc. etc.

They are reminding the incoming administration, with everything that means, that they will be held accountable and do not have a free hand to just do whatever they want.

They're also reminding everyone of the kind of identity politics that they were voting against when they backed Trump. The kind that has little to no interest in ordinary working people - especially if they're working class and white. Labour needs to take note and stand up for more than minorities.

[Kavinho]

Totally agree ...... I'm always confused as to why folk protesting against what they see as despots or fascists think they will get their point over, or public support, by trashing shops and offices belonging to folk they claim to be wanting to help .... I cant think of anything more counter productive.

Very broadly, How do you think you best get a dissenting point across if you are an objector who opposed to any govts approach on any topic...?

[Kavinho]

Best invest in US stock. Inflation will push it quite high, I think. He will present that as success.

Not convinced there is any direct correlation.

[johnbc70]

Best invest in US stock. Inflation will push it quite high, I think. He will present that as success.

Buy American companies that make concrete, they are going to be doing a lot of building of stuff.

[IGRIGI]

The majority at the protests are your usual champagne socialists, having a day trip away from which ever University Mummy and Daddy are pumping tens of thousands of dollars into in order to tweet to everyone how heatbreaking and tragic everything is before retiring for the evening for cocktails at whatever ****y student bar they piss away further funds on Dad's credit card.

[steakbake]

The majority at the protests are your usual champagne socialists, having a day trip away from which ever University Mummy and Daddy are pumping tens of thousands of dollars into in order to tweet to everyone how heatbreaking and tragic everything is before retiring for the evening for cocktails at whatever ****y student bar they piss away further funds on Dad's credit card.

Yes, of course that's what it was.

[CropleyWasGod]

The majority at the protests are your usual champagne socialists, having a day trip away from which ever University Mummy and Daddy are pumping tens of thousands of dollars into in order to tweet to everyone how heatbreaking and tragic everything is before retiring for the evening for cocktails at whatever ****y student bar they piss away further funds on Dad's credit card.
Right.

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[snooky]

Buy American companies that make concrete, they are going to be doing a lot of building of stuff.

I suggest investing in detergent products. They're gonna need a lot when the sh-ugar hits the fan.

[RyeSloan]

Not convinced there is any direct correlation.

Indeed. Could easily be argued that pushing up costs for US business by forcing them to manufacture in the US will drive down their competitiveness and thus their long term ability to make money. Not a positive for stock prices normally.

Trump seems stuck in the physical world of coal mines and car manufacturers which is rather odd for what is meant to be one of the worlds most advanced economies.

If I was American I would hope that most of his bluster is just that, saying what needs to be said to gain power and appease the people that put him there but behind it all he is going to play a rather smarter game...might be a forlorn hope but I suppose we will find out soon enough.

[Pretty Boy]

The majority at the protests are your usual champagne socialists, having a day trip away from which ever University Mummy and Daddy are pumping tens of thousands of dollars into in order to tweet to everyone how heatbreaking and tragic everything is before retiring for the evening for cocktails at whatever ****y student bar they piss away further funds on Dad's credit card.

900 000 in New York and Washington alone suggests it's a bit more than the small band of professional protesters who you refer to.

[hibsbollah]

The majority at the protests are your usual champagne socialists, having a day trip away from which ever University Mummy and Daddy are pumping tens of thousands of dollars into in order to tweet to everyone how heatbreaking and tragic everything is before retiring for the evening for cocktails at whatever ****y student bar they piss away further funds on Dad's credit card.

I look forward to your providing the data to back this statement up. In the absence of said data, I'll assume you're just havering reactionary drivel.

Trump has declared ideological war on significant swathes of liberal America. Battle lines have been drawn and people are fighting back by demonstrating their opposition to him. Its healthy and is the essence of democracy. I was too lazy to attend the protest yesterday but I certainly might attend similar ones in the future.

[Slavers]

Buy American companies that make concrete, they are going to be doing a lot of building of stuff.

Buy stocks in pepper spray! They are going to use alot of it by the way things are looking.

[Slavers]

The same as any demonstration. Raising awareness, and making sure that those in power know they're there.

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There will be many decent protestors I am sure but from what i can see online a lot of the protests have been hi-jacked by the BLM Groups & anti-white male SJW types. Then there is the respect my pro-nouns groups in attendance you know the ones who claim there are 76 different types of genders and that the doctors have got it all wrong deciding your gender when you are born.

These people seem intent on doing nothing but causing trouble and taking away from the demonstrations that you mention.

[CropleyWasGod]

There will be many decent protestors I am sure but from what i can see online a lot of the protests have been hi-jacked by the BLM Groups & anti-white male SJW types. Then there is the respect my pro-nouns groups in attendance you know the ones who claim there are 76 different types of genders and that the doctors have got it all wrong deciding your gender when you are born.

These people seem intent on doing nothing but causing trouble and taking away from the demonstrations that you mention.
Those groups have their place, and their right to be heard. The LGBT section of the White House website has been removed apparently

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[Betty Boop]

It's all right Teresa May is going over there to get him telt.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Very broadly, How do you think you best get a dissenting point across if you are an objector who opposed to any govts approach on any topic...?

Very broadly you get as many people out onto the street as you can, you make banners and wave flags and make a lot of noise, you explain to the hundreds of media types in attendance who want an interview what you're gripe is ....... following that and in the hope that you have got the point across and you have galvanised more people to join you next time you go home.

[Scouse Hibee]

Was there not an election where the people decided?

[CropleyWasGod]

Was there not an election where the people decided?
Yep, but the flip side of democracy is that the elected have to be held accountable for their actions and perceived inactions.

Trump has been in office 48 hours and he's already upset the climate change lobby, the civil rights movement, the LGBT community and the world's media. Not a bad start 😂

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[Pretty Boy]

Was there not an election where the people decided?

3 million plus more people decided they actually prefered Clinton to Trump.

Of course that's not how it works in the US so it's a moot point. What is relevant though is that a government has to be accountable to all citizens. It's a keystone of any democracy worth the name that the right to protest exists.

[snooky]

3 million plus more people decided they actually prefered Clinton to Trump.

Of course that's not how it works in the US so it's a moot point. What is relevant though is that a government has to be accountable to all citizens. It's a keystone of any democracy worth the name that the right to protest exists.
Did you see Hillary's coupon at the inauguration? The lady looked totally shell-shocked.

[makaveli1875]

3 million plus more people decided they actually prefered Clinton to Trump.

Of course that's not how it works in the US so it's a moot point. What is relevant though is that a government has to be accountable to all citizens. It's a keystone of any democracy worth the name that the right to protest exists.

its the same here

ukip got more votes than the SNP and the liberal democrats combined , SNP have 56 seats , Liberals have 8 . UKIP only have 1

[hibsbollah]

its the same here

ukip got more votes than the SNP and the liberal democrats combined , SNP have 56 seats , Liberals have 8 . UKIP only have 1

That's basic science though, it's statistically inevitable that narrow-minded twats are more equally distributed across the country than normal people.

[makaveli1875]

That's basic science though, it's statistically inevitable that narrow-minded twats are more equally distributed across the country than normal people.

are you calling every ukip voter a narrow minded twat ?

thats quite a narrow minded way to look at things .

[hibsbollah]

are you calling every ukip voter a narrow minded twat ?

thats quite a narrow minded way to look at things .

Yes. Actually no, some are also ****s.
:greengrin

[makaveli1875]

my uncle lives in england and he voted for ukip , he is neither narrow minded or a twat . he voted for them because he felt he had no choice .

[Moulin Yarns]

my uncle lives in england and he voted for ukip , he is neither narrow minded or a twat . he voted for them because he felt he had no choice .


He had a choice, he just made the wrong one :wink:

[The Green Goblin]

my uncle lives in england and he voted for ukip , he is neither narrow minded or a twat . he voted for them because he felt he had no choice .


Genuine question - why did he feel he had no choice? what was the issue or issues which decided it for him? and why did he feel that none of the other parties would represent his view on those issues?

[makaveli1875]

Genuine question - why did he feel he had no choice? what was the issue or issues which decided it for him? and why did he feel that none of the other parties would represent his view on those issues?

he was a lifelong labour voter just like my mother and grandparents and he felt the labour party no longer represented him . he would never vote tory and he would never vote liberal so his options as he saw them were either vote ukip or dont vote at all

i dont agree with his choice but respect his right to make that choice

[The Green Goblin]

he was a lifelong labour voter just like my mother and grandparents and he felt the labour party no longer represented him . he would never vote tory and he would never vote liberal so his options as he saw them were either vote ukip or dont vote at all

i dont agree with his choice but respect his right to make that choice

Did ukip´s "values" align with those of his traditional Labour supporting family? As you say, it was his choice, but given the context, I am struggling to understand the leap from trad Labour to ukip (not that it matters what I think etc. but I was just curious). I would have thought that not voting was the way to go, rather than endorse a party which is unashamedly racist. :dunno:

[northstandhibby]

Did ukip´s "values" align with those of his traditional Labour supporting family? As you say, it was his choice, but given the context, I am struggling to understand the leap from trad Labour to ukip (not that it matters what I think etc. but I was just curious). I would have thought that not voting was the way to go, rather than endorse a party which is unashamedly racist. :dunno:

Ukip are nothing other than a disguised BNP. They managed to play on the fears of a huge amount of normally Labour voters without the normal outward xenophobia, racism and bigotry that the BNP is well known for of which would normally scare away a normal Labour voter. They pretended to be for the ordinary working class who had become disillusioned with Labour which had appeared to have become relevant to the London centric trendy Notting Hill type elite only.

Ukip are an altogether disgusting extreme right wing party that managed to fool ordinary left of center working class folks into believing they were for them when all the time they were the extreme right wing BNP in disguise.

I can only assume once it becomes clear to they voters that their only purpose was to tear the UK out of the EU which now it has happened will result in swingeing savage cuts coming down the line once the UK has exited that will hit the vulnerable and the poorest the hardest they will return to the real working folks parties.

Glory Glory

[GreenLake]

Here is someone determined to protest. (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-22/watch-bigoted-turtleneck-wearing-liberal-gets-tossed-plane-harassing-trump-supporter):greengrin

[ACLeith]

Ukip are nothing other than a disguised BNP. They managed to play on the fears of a huge amount of normally Labour voters without the normal outward xenophobia, racism and bigotry that the BNP is well known for of which would normally scare away a normal Labour voter. They pretended to be for the ordinary working class who had become disillusioned with Labour which had appeared to have become relevant to the London centric trendy Notting Hill type elite only.

Ukip are an altogether disgusting extreme right wing party that managed to fool ordinary left of center working class folks into believing they were for them when all the time they were the extreme right wing BNP in disguise.

I can only assume once it becomes clear to they voters that their only purpose was to tear the UK out of the EU which now it has happened will result in swingeing savage cuts coming down the line once the UK has exited that will hit the vulnerable and the poorest the hardest they will return to the real working folks parties.

Glory Glory

100% this. At first the UKIP mantra was to attack the EU bloated bureaucracy and waste, some regardless of whether left, centre or right might agree with at least some of what they said if not the way they said it, but there was always suspicions it was a front for more ugly views.

When they thought they were gaining support they quickly changed their tune to focus on immigration, which confirmed that they are really just the “BNP in suits”.

[johnbc70]

So everyone that votes Ukip is a twat and a BNP style racist, everyone that voted for Trump is similar so let's just ignore them and what they say and simply dismiss their fears and concerns as the thoughts of narrow minded twats. Yep that will work......look where that got us.

[beensaidbefore]

So everyone that votes Ukip is a twat and a BNP style racist, everyone that voted for Trump is similar so let's just ignore them and what they say and simply dismiss their fears and concerns as the thoughts of narrow minded twats. Yep that will work......look where that got us.

Correct. Why would anyone care that millions of people voted that way. What do they know? Really, how many of them come on here to be enlightened? 😂😈

[grunt]

We seem to have drifted off topic a little.
But while we're talking UKIP, here's their former Chairman in Scotland

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-38638372

[beensaidbefore]

We seem to have drifted off topic a little.
But while we're talking UKIP, here's their former Chairman in Scotland

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-38638372

Nice chap!

[GreenLake]

We seem to have drifted off topic a little.
But while we're talking UKIP, here's their former Chairman in Scotland

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-38638372

After he was arrested he got one phone call and a roll of toilet paper.

[NAE NOOKIE]

So everyone that votes Ukip is a twat and a BNP style racist, everyone that voted for Trump is similar so let's just ignore them and what they say and simply dismiss their fears and concerns as the thoughts of narrow minded twats. Yep that will work......look where that got us.

I dare say the folk who voted for Trump are mostly folk who see themselves as disaffected voters and buy into his anti 'political' establishment rhetoric ...... What worries me is how many of them will buy into his frenzied attack on the US media. Its one thing to attack reporting and press articles if you can back up that attack with hard evidence and prove that what was reported is either at best inaccurate, at worst a downright lie.

But Trump is not doing that, he has immediately launched an offensive against the whole of the media and is trying to establish a climate in the USA where nothing they say will be accepted as the truth by his supporters, no matter how truthful it is. The spat over how big the crowd was at his inauguration being a case in point ...... there is a raft of evidence to show that his turn out was considerably smaller than Obama's and given the circumstances, IE .. that Obama was America's first black president, there should be no surprise or embarrassment for Trump attached to that. But instead of shrugging his shoulders and giving it a 'so what' he has tried to say that the press and TV have for some reason lied about that ... it was astonishing watching his press aid nearly having an aneurism as he ranted at and harangued the open mouthed White House press corps.

A man with an ego that can be so easily bruised and who is trying to turn everybody against the last bastion available to 'the people' when all else fails ...... a free press .... cant be good for democracy. How long before he is able to deflect criticism or the genuine uncovering of incompetence or nefarious goings on just by tweeting ..... 'fake news' .... and what's his next move after that, new laws to gag the press and media by the back door, journalists being arrested for breaking his 'fake news' legislation?

He is very clever though I'll give him that. Its easy to rant on about the career politicians in the "Washington swamp" and exaggerate the state they have made of the current US economy and of course blame them for the economic failings of the past decade or so ..... what people seem to forget and something Trump and his ilk love to see forgotten or ignored is that yes politicians were to blame, but only in so much as they failed to curb the excesses of people just like him whose unfettered and unchecked greed was the real reason the worlds economy went tits up.

Its really hard to understand why people who vote for the likes of Trump and Farage in the UK with their so called populist politics seem utterly blind to the fact that far from being the solution to the problem they were the folk who caused it in the first place ..... No doubt some folk will benefit from Trump being president, but if you ask me a hell of a lot more than that wont.

The Americans love to boast that in their country 'anybody can make it if they work hard enough or have talent' ..... but I've always thought that the downside and unspoken opposite of that is an attitude that bubbles under the surface of 'if you cant make it and are unable to work hard enough or just plain unlucky then hell mend you' ........ The likes of Trump and the people he is surrounding himself with will I fear ramp that up 100% and the 'land of the free' inhabited by the ill educated, unwell, disabled and disadvantaged will be a bloody miserable place to exist.

[johnbc70]

Correct. Why would anyone care that millions of people voted that way. What do they know? Really, how many of them come on here to be enlightened? 😂😈

Indeed, let's keep putting fingers in ears and go la la la la la and watch as the likes of Brexit and Trump happen.

Maybe if the people were listened to instead of being passed off as narrow minded twats as some on here have called them we would not be on this situation.

[hibsbollah]

Indeed, let's keep putting fingers in ears and go la la la la la and watch as the likes of Brexit and Trump happen.

Maybe if the people were listened to instead of being passed off as narrow minded twats as some on here have called them we would not be on this situation.

Interesting proposal. You could call it the 'hug a bigot' policy :aok:

[pontius pilate]

For me the crux of the problem is the silent voters those who won't say which way they are voting for fear of being labelled a bigot racist or any other name. Why not have a reasoned and fair debate instead of name calling. Some of the videos being shown by the anti trump protests better belief. There is one of a trump supporter getting her hair set on for by anti trump surely that negates all the protests they are doing. There is also one of protesters shouting about how it is a police state and duck the police but yet call for someone to be arrested who dares to stand up to them you couldn't make it up

[northstandhibby]

Indeed, let's keep putting fingers in ears and go la la la la la and watch as the likes of Brexit and Trump happen.

Maybe if the people were listened to instead of being passed off as narrow minded twats as some on here have called them we would not be on this situation.

I wonder what a typical Ukip supporter might say -

'Immigrants out'

'No Blacks No Dogs No Irish allowed'

'Hang them high'

'Rule Brittania'

Sieg Heil'

'Kill the lefties'

etcetera etcetera.

Glory Glory

[beensaidbefore]

I wonder what a typical Ukip supporter might say -

'Immigrants out'

'No Blacks No Dogs No Irish allowed'

'Hang them high'

'Rule Brittania'

Sieg Heil'

'Kill the lefties'

etcetera etcetera.

Glory Glory

Possibly. But surely not everyone who voted for brexit?

[northstandhibby]

Possibly. But surely not everyone who voted for brexit?

Of course not. I was being flippant but Ukip is undoubtedly full of undesirable BNP type elements and there's also no doubt in my mind the brexit vote was won by a huge bunch of extreme right wing little englanders exploiting fears of immigration and stoking up undeserved resentment towards the EU.

Glory Glory

[beensaidbefore]

Of course not. I was being flippant but Ukip is undoubtedly full of undesirable BNP type elements and there's also no doubt in my mind the brexit vote was won by a huge bunch of extreme right wing little englanders exploiting fears of immigration and stoking up undeserved resentment towards the EU.

Glory Glory

I suppose, but when does a huge bunch become a valid number? The way things are at the moment it seems the bunch is getting bigger.

[GreenLake]

I dare say the folk who voted for Trump are mostly folk who see themselves as disaffected voters and buy into his anti 'political' establishment rhetoric ...... What worries me is how many of them will buy into his frenzied attack on the US media. Its one thing to attack reporting and press articles if you can back up that attack with hard evidence and prove that what was reported is either at best inaccurate, at worst a downright lie.

But Trump is not doing that, he has immediately launched an offensive against the whole of the media and is trying to establish a climate in the USA where nothing they say will be accepted as the truth by his supporters, no matter how truthful it is. The spat over how big the crowd was at his inauguration being a case in point ...... there is a raft of evidence to show that his turn out was considerably smaller than Obama's and given the circumstances, IE .. that Obama was America's first black president, there should be no surprise or embarrassment for Trump attached to that. But instead of shrugging his shoulders and giving it a 'so what' he has tried to say that the press and TV have for some reason lied about that ... it was astonishing watching his press aid nearly having an aneurism as he ranted at and harangued the open mouthed White House press corps.

A man with an ego that can be so easily bruised and who is trying to turn everybody against the last bastion available to 'the people' when all else fails ...... a free press .... cant be good for democracy. How long before he is able to deflect criticism or the genuine uncovering of incompetence or nefarious goings on just by tweeting ..... 'fake news' .... and what's his next move after that, new laws to gag the press and media by the back door, journalists being arrested for breaking his 'fake news' legislation?

He is very clever though I'll give him that. Its easy to rant on about the career politicians in the "Washington swamp" and exaggerate the state they have made of the current US economy and of course blame them for the economic failings of the past decade or so ..... what people seem to forget and something Trump and his ilk love to see forgotten or ignored is that yes politicians were to blame, but only in so much as they failed to curb the excesses of people just like him whose unfettered and unchecked greed was the real reason the worlds economy went tits up.

Its really hard to understand why people who vote for the likes of Trump and Farage in the UK with their so called populist politics seem utterly blind to the fact that far from being the solution to the problem they were the folk who caused it in the first place ..... No doubt some folk will benefit from Trump being president, but if you ask me a hell of a lot more than that wont.

The Americans love to boast that in their country 'anybody can make it if they work hard enough or have talent' ..... but I've always thought that the downside and unspoken opposite of that is an attitude that bubbles under the surface of 'if you cant make it and are unable to work hard enough or just plain unlucky then hell mend you' ........ The likes of Trump and the people he is surrounding himself with will I fear ramp that up 100% and the 'land of the free' inhabited by the ill educated, unwell, disabled and disadvantaged will be a bloody miserable place to exist.

A free press? You think the press is free whilst the bulk of it is owned by a few powerful corporations?

17982

On the positive side.

There might be a number of countries in the the world that will be happy if Trump tries to put America first and leaves them alone.

[NAE NOOKIE]

A free press? You think the press is free whilst the bulk of it is owned by a few powerful corporations?

17982

On the positive side.

There might be a number of countries in the the world that will be happy if Trump tries to put America first and leaves them alone.

The definition of a free press is a press that can say what it wants unfettered by government interference no matter the subject matter ...... Who owns it and their input into its political stance is a different matter, as we all know the right wing press dominates the landscape in the UK because most of the papers are owned by right wing publishers and no doubt the press in the US works the same way with the political outlook of whoever owns it bye and large determining its editorial policy.

None of that prevents anybody with the money or the will to do it setting up a newspaper or other media outlet that can set out the opposite political viewpoint ....... the founding of the 'The National' in Scotland as a direct response to the overwhelming siding of the main papers with the unionist side being a classic example.

When governments start painting all of the news media as liars and 'fake news' pedlars and telling people that the only thing that can be believed is what they say and their spouting of 'alternative truths' on twitter .... that's when they start making inroads into the freedom of the press.

[GreenLake]

The definition of a free press is a press that can say what it wants unfettered by government interference no matter the subject matter ...... Who owns it and their input into its political stance is a different matter, as we all know the right wing press dominates the landscape in the UK because most of the papers are owned by right wing publishers and no doubt the press in the US works the same way with the political outlook of whoever owns it bye and large determining its editorial policy.

None of that prevents anybody with the money or the will to do it setting up a newspaper or other media outlet that can set out the opposite political viewpoint ....... the founding of the 'The National' in Scotland as a direct response to the overwhelming siding of the main papers with the unionist side being a classic example.

When governments start painting all of the news media as liars and 'fake news' pedlars and telling people that the only thing that can be believed is what they say and their spouting of 'alternative truths' on twitter .... that's when they start making inroads into the freedom of the press.

Trump and the Media deserve each other.

[McD]

my uncle lives in england and he voted for ukip , he is neither narrow minded or a twat . he voted for them because he felt he had no choice .



he was a lifelong labour voter just like my mother and grandparents and he felt the labour party no longer represented him . he would never vote tory and he would never vote liberal so his options as he saw them were either vote ukip or dont vote at all

i dont agree with his choice but respect his right to make that choice


You've listed 5 seperate choices ???

[McD]

I dare say the folk who voted for Trump are mostly folk who see themselves as disaffected voters and buy into his anti 'political' establishment rhetoric ...... What worries me is how many of them will buy into his frenzied attack on the US media. Its one thing to attack reporting and press articles if you can back up that attack with hard evidence and prove that what was reported is either at best inaccurate, at worst a downright lie.

But Trump is not doing that, he has immediately launched an offensive against the whole of the media and is trying to establish a climate in the USA where nothing they say will be accepted as the truth by his supporters, no matter how truthful it is. The spat over how big the crowd was at his inauguration being a case in point ...... there is a raft of evidence to show that his turn out was considerably smaller than Obama's and given the circumstances, IE .. that Obama was America's first black president, there should be no surprise or embarrassment for Trump attached to that. But instead of shrugging his shoulders and giving it a 'so what' he has tried to say that the press and TV have for some reason lied about that ... it was astonishing watching his press aid nearly having an aneurism as he ranted at and harangued the open mouthed White House press corps.

A man with an ego that can be so easily bruised and who is trying to turn everybody against the last bastion available to 'the people' when all else fails ...... a free press .... cant be good for democracy. How long before he is able to deflect criticism or the genuine uncovering of incompetence or nefarious goings on just by tweeting ..... 'fake news' .... and what's his next move after that, new laws to gag the press and media by the back door, journalists being arrested for breaking his 'fake news' legislation?

He is very clever though I'll give him that. Its easy to rant on about the career politicians in the "Washington swamp" and exaggerate the state they have made of the current US economy and of course blame them for the economic failings of the past decade or so ..... what people seem to forget and something Trump and his ilk love to see forgotten or ignored is that yes politicians were to blame, but only in so much as they failed to curb the excesses of people just like him whose unfettered and unchecked greed was the real reason the worlds economy went tits up.

Its really hard to understand why people who vote for the likes of Trump and Farage in the UK with their so called populist politics seem utterly blind to the fact that far from being the solution to the problem they were the folk who caused it in the first place ..... No doubt some folk will benefit from Trump being president, but if you ask me a hell of a lot more than that wont.

The Americans love to boast that in their country 'anybody can make it if they work hard enough or have talent' ..... but I've always thought that the downside and unspoken opposite of that is an attitude that bubbles under the surface of 'if you cant make it and are unable to work hard enough or just plain unlucky then hell mend you' ........ The likes of Trump and the people he is surrounding himself with will I fear ramp that up 100% and the 'land of the free' inhabited by the ill educated, unwell, disabled and disadvantaged will be a bloody miserable place to exist.


:top marks:applause: Terrific post

[hibsbollah]

The story so far...

To recap:
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the DOJ’s Violence Against Women programs.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Arts.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Humanities.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Minority Business Development Agency.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Economic Development Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the International Trade Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Legal Services Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Environmental and Natural Resources Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Overseas Private Investment Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Electricity Deliverability and Energy Reliability.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Fossil Energy.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered all regulatory powers of all federal agencies frozen.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered the National Parks Service to stop using social media after RTing factual, side by side photos of the crowds for the 2009 and 2017 inaugurations.
* On January 20th, 2017, roughly 230 protestors were arrested in DC and face unprecedented felony riot charges. Among them were legal observers, journalists, and medics.
* On January 20th, 2017, a member of the International Workers of the World was shot in the stomach at an anti-fascist protest in Seattle. He remains in critical condition.
* On January 21st, 2017, DT brought a group of 40 cheerleaders to a meeting with the CIA to cheer for him during a speech that consisted almost entirely of framing himself as the victim of dishonest press.
* On January 21st, 2017, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer held a press conference largely to attack the press for accurately reporting the size of attendance at the inaugural festivities, saying that the inauguration had the largest audience of any in history, “period.”
* On January 22nd, 2017, White House advisor Kellyann Conway defended Spicer’s lies as “alternative facts” on national television news.
* On January 22nd, 2017, DT appeared to blow a kiss to director James Comey during a meeting with the FBI, and then opened his arms in a gesture of strange, paternal affection, before hugging him with a pat on the back.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT reinstated the global gag order, which defunds international organizations that even mention abortion as a medical option.
* On January 23rd, 2017, Spicer said that the US will not tolerate China’s expansion onto islands in the South China Sea, essentially threatening war with China.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT repeated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing him the popular vote.
* On January 23rd, 2017, it was announced that the man who shot the anti-fascist protester in Seattle was released without charges, despite turning himself in.
* On January 24th, 2017, Spicer reiterated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing DT the popular vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, DT tweeted a picture from his personal Twitter account of a photo he says depicts the crowd at his inauguration and will hang in the White House press room. The photo is curiously dated January 21st, 2017, the day AFTER the inauguration and the day of the Women’s March, the largest inauguration related protest in history.
* On January 24th, 2017, the EPA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to freeze all grants and contracts.
* On January 24th, 2017, the USDA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to stop publishing any papers or research. All communication with the press would also have to be authorized and vetted by the White House.
* On January 24th, 2017, HR7, a bill that would prohibit federal funding not only to abortion service providers, but to any insurance coverage, including Medicaid, that provides abortion coverage, went to the floor of the House for a vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, Director of the Department of Health and Human Service nominee Tom Price characterized federal guidelines on transgender equality as “absurd.”
* On January 24th, 2017, DT ordered the resumption of construction on the Dakota Access Pipeline, while the North Dakota state congress considers a bill that would legalize hitting and killing protestors with cars if they are on roadways.
* On January 24th, 2017, it was discovered that police officers had used confiscated cell phones to search the emails and messages of the 230 demonstrators now facing felony riot charges for protesting on January 20th, including lawyers and journalists whose email accounts contain privileged information of clients and sources.
And most recently: the wall and a ban on Muslims entering from a large number of countries and the end to accepting Syrian refugees.


A busy man.

[Hibrandenburg]

The story so far...

To recap:
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the DOJ’s Violence Against Women programs.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Arts.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Humanities.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Minority Business Development Agency.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Economic Development Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the International Trade Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Legal Services Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Environmental and Natural Resources Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Overseas Private Investment Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Electricity Deliverability and Energy Reliability.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Fossil Energy.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered all regulatory powers of all federal agencies frozen.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered the National Parks Service to stop using social media after RTing factual, side by side photos of the crowds for the 2009 and 2017 inaugurations.
* On January 20th, 2017, roughly 230 protestors were arrested in DC and face unprecedented felony riot charges. Among them were legal observers, journalists, and medics.
* On January 20th, 2017, a member of the International Workers of the World was shot in the stomach at an anti-fascist protest in Seattle. He remains in critical condition.
* On January 21st, 2017, DT brought a group of 40 cheerleaders to a meeting with the CIA to cheer for him during a speech that consisted almost entirely of framing himself as the victim of dishonest press.
* On January 21st, 2017, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer held a press conference largely to attack the press for accurately reporting the size of attendance at the inaugural festivities, saying that the inauguration had the largest audience of any in history, “period.”
* On January 22nd, 2017, White House advisor Kellyann Conway defended Spicer’s lies as “alternative facts” on national television news.
* On January 22nd, 2017, DT appeared to blow a kiss to director James Comey during a meeting with the FBI, and then opened his arms in a gesture of strange, paternal affection, before hugging him with a pat on the back.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT reinstated the global gag order, which defunds international organizations that even mention abortion as a medical option.
* On January 23rd, 2017, Spicer said that the US will not tolerate China’s expansion onto islands in the South China Sea, essentially threatening war with China.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT repeated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing him the popular vote.
* On January 23rd, 2017, it was announced that the man who shot the anti-fascist protester in Seattle was released without charges, despite turning himself in.
* On January 24th, 2017, Spicer reiterated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing DT the popular vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, DT tweeted a picture from his personal Twitter account of a photo he says depicts the crowd at his inauguration and will hang in the White House press room. The photo is curiously dated January 21st, 2017, the day AFTER the inauguration and the day of the Women’s March, the largest inauguration related protest in history.
* On January 24th, 2017, the EPA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to freeze all grants and contracts.
* On January 24th, 2017, the USDA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to stop publishing any papers or research. All communication with the press would also have to be authorized and vetted by the White House.
* On January 24th, 2017, HR7, a bill that would prohibit federal funding not only to abortion service providers, but to any insurance coverage, including Medicaid, that provides abortion coverage, went to the floor of the House for a vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, Director of the Department of Health and Human Service nominee Tom Price characterized federal guidelines on transgender equality as “absurd.”
* On January 24th, 2017, DT ordered the resumption of construction on the Dakota Access Pipeline, while the North Dakota state congress considers a bill that would legalize hitting and killing protestors with cars if they are on roadways.
* On January 24th, 2017, it was discovered that police officers had used confiscated cell phones to search the emails and messages of the 230 demonstrators now facing felony riot charges for protesting on January 20th, including lawyers and journalists whose email accounts contain privileged information of clients and sources.
And most recently: the wall and a ban on Muslims entering from a large number of countries and the end to accepting Syrian refugees.


A busy man.

****ing mental. Can I copy/paste and use elswhere please?

[Pretty Boy]

The story so far...

To recap:
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the DOJ’s Violence Against Women programs.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Arts.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Humanities.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Minority Business Development Agency.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Economic Development Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the International Trade Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Legal Services Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Environmental and Natural Resources Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Overseas Private Investment Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Electricity Deliverability and Energy Reliability.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Fossil Energy.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered all regulatory powers of all federal agencies frozen.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered the National Parks Service to stop using social media after RTing factual, side by side photos of the crowds for the 2009 and 2017 inaugurations.
* On January 20th, 2017, roughly 230 protestors were arrested in DC and face unprecedented felony riot charges. Among them were legal observers, journalists, and medics.
* On January 20th, 2017, a member of the International Workers of the World was shot in the stomach at an anti-fascist protest in Seattle. He remains in critical condition.
* On January 21st, 2017, DT brought a group of 40 cheerleaders to a meeting with the CIA to cheer for him during a speech that consisted almost entirely of framing himself as the victim of dishonest press.
* On January 21st, 2017, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer held a press conference largely to attack the press for accurately reporting the size of attendance at the inaugural festivities, saying that the inauguration had the largest audience of any in history, “period.”
* On January 22nd, 2017, White House advisor Kellyann Conway defended Spicer’s lies as “alternative facts” on national television news.
* On January 22nd, 2017, DT appeared to blow a kiss to director James Comey during a meeting with the FBI, and then opened his arms in a gesture of strange, paternal affection, before hugging him with a pat on the back.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT reinstated the global gag order, which defunds international organizations that even mention abortion as a medical option.
* On January 23rd, 2017, Spicer said that the US will not tolerate China’s expansion onto islands in the South China Sea, essentially threatening war with China.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT repeated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing him the popular vote.
* On January 23rd, 2017, it was announced that the man who shot the anti-fascist protester in Seattle was released without charges, despite turning himself in.
* On January 24th, 2017, Spicer reiterated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing DT the popular vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, DT tweeted a picture from his personal Twitter account of a photo he says depicts the crowd at his inauguration and will hang in the White House press room. The photo is curiously dated January 21st, 2017, the day AFTER the inauguration and the day of the Women’s March, the largest inauguration related protest in history.
* On January 24th, 2017, the EPA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to freeze all grants and contracts.
* On January 24th, 2017, the USDA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to stop publishing any papers or research. All communication with the press would also have to be authorized and vetted by the White House.
* On January 24th, 2017, HR7, a bill that would prohibit federal funding not only to abortion service providers, but to any insurance coverage, including Medicaid, that provides abortion coverage, went to the floor of the House for a vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, Director of the Department of Health and Human Service nominee Tom Price characterized federal guidelines on transgender equality as “absurd.”
* On January 24th, 2017, DT ordered the resumption of construction on the Dakota Access Pipeline, while the North Dakota state congress considers a bill that would legalize hitting and killing protestors with cars if they are on roadways.
* On January 24th, 2017, it was discovered that police officers had used confiscated cell phones to search the emails and messages of the 230 demonstrators now facing felony riot charges for protesting on January 20th, including lawyers and journalists whose email accounts contain privileged information of clients and sources.
And most recently: the wall and a ban on Muslims entering from a large number of countries and the end to accepting Syrian refugees.


A busy man.

That's frightening.

It must be easy to follow through on electoral promises when you actually do no give a single **** about the world around you. Trumps ego, thin skin and inpulsiveness make him a very, very dangerous man.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I see he's reneged on his promise to release his tax returns once the audit was complete. He now says they will never see the light of day. :hmmm:

And he's STILL pushing the lie, with no evidence at all, that millions voted illegally, and is now promising an investigation. He isn't playing with a full deck.

[hibsbollah]

****ing mental. Can I copy/paste and use elswhere please?

Of course :aok: I'm sure it will be getting added to as the days go on. Building A Fascist State- A Beginners Guide.

[steakbake]

I see he's reneged on his promise to release his tax returns once the audit was complete. He now says they will never see the light of day. :hmmm:

And he's STILL pushing the lie, with no evidence at all, that millions voted illegally, and is now promising an investigation. He isn't playing with a full deck.

Don't worry, our PM will head over, talk him straight and then we'll "lead, together, again"... whatever the fk that means.

[Pretty Boy]

Don't worry, our PM will head over, talk him straight and then we'll "lead, together, again"... whatever the fk that means.

It means roughly the same as 'Brexit means Brexit' ie 'I don't have a ****ing clue what I'm doing'.

[northstandhibby]

It means roughly the same as 'Brexit means Brexit' ie 'I don't have a ****ing clue what I'm doing'.

Brilliant post :faf: LOL

Sums it up perfectly.

Keep waiting for May to crumble at one of her stage managed soundbite sessions and admit she hasn't a clue and can we all be very nice to her instead of asking important difficult questions about brexit as they UK will be up keech creek without a paddlle.

Glory Glory

[The Green Goblin]

Of course :aok: I'm sure it will be getting added to as the days go on. Building A Fascist State- A Beginners Guide.

That is beyond mental. Is there a site where someone is compiling everything he does and is that where your list came from? Cheers.

[CropleyWasGod]

I see he's reneged on his promise to release his tax returns once the audit was complete. He now says they will never see the light of day. :hmmm:

And he's STILL pushing the lie, with no evidence at all, that millions voted illegally, and is now promising an investigation. He isn't playing with a full deck.

It's troo, but.

He got it from Bernhard Langer.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-illegal-coter-fraud-investigation-german-golfer-florida-bernhard-langer-a7546606.html

[GreenLake]

The story so far...

To recap:
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the DOJ’s Violence Against Women programs.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Arts.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Humanities.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Minority Business Development Agency.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Economic Development Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the International Trade Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Legal Services Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Environmental and Natural Resources Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Overseas Private Investment Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Electricity Deliverability and Energy Reliability.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Fossil Energy.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered all regulatory powers of all federal agencies frozen.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered the National Parks Service to stop using social media after RTing factual, side by side photos of the crowds for the 2009 and 2017 inaugurations.
* On January 20th, 2017, roughly 230 protestors were arrested in DC and face unprecedented felony riot charges. Among them were legal observers, journalists, and medics.
* On January 20th, 2017, a member of the International Workers of the World was shot in the stomach at an anti-fascist protest in Seattle. He remains in critical condition.
* On January 21st, 2017, DT brought a group of 40 cheerleaders to a meeting with the CIA to cheer for him during a speech that consisted almost entirely of framing himself as the victim of dishonest press.
* On January 21st, 2017, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer held a press conference largely to attack the press for accurately reporting the size of attendance at the inaugural festivities, saying that the inauguration had the largest audience of any in history, “period.”
* On January 22nd, 2017, White House advisor Kellyann Conway defended Spicer’s lies as “alternative facts” on national television news.
* On January 22nd, 2017, DT appeared to blow a kiss to director James Comey during a meeting with the FBI, and then opened his arms in a gesture of strange, paternal affection, before hugging him with a pat on the back.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT reinstated the global gag order, which defunds international organizations that even mention abortion as a medical option.
* On January 23rd, 2017, Spicer said that the US will not tolerate China’s expansion onto islands in the South China Sea, essentially threatening war with China.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT repeated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing him the popular vote.
* On January 23rd, 2017, it was announced that the man who shot the anti-fascist protester in Seattle was released without charges, despite turning himself in.
* On January 24th, 2017, Spicer reiterated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing DT the popular vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, DT tweeted a picture from his personal Twitter account of a photo he says depicts the crowd at his inauguration and will hang in the White House press room. The photo is curiously dated January 21st, 2017, the day AFTER the inauguration and the day of the Women’s March, the largest inauguration related protest in history.
* On January 24th, 2017, the EPA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to freeze all grants and contracts.
* On January 24th, 2017, the USDA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to stop publishing any papers or research. All communication with the press would also have to be authorized and vetted by the White House.
* On January 24th, 2017, HR7, a bill that would prohibit federal funding not only to abortion service providers, but to any insurance coverage, including Medicaid, that provides abortion coverage, went to the floor of the House for a vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, Director of the Department of Health and Human Service nominee Tom Price characterized federal guidelines on transgender equality as “absurd.”
* On January 24th, 2017, DT ordered the resumption of construction on the Dakota Access Pipeline, while the North Dakota state congress considers a bill that would legalize hitting and killing protestors with cars if they are on roadways.
* On January 24th, 2017, it was discovered that police officers had used confiscated cell phones to search the emails and messages of the 230 demonstrators now facing felony riot charges for protesting on January 20th, including lawyers and journalists whose email accounts contain privileged information of clients and sources.
And most recently: the wall and a ban on Muslims entering from a large number of countries and the end to accepting Syrian refugees.


A busy man.

On January 25th he fired the entire Senior Management team from the State Department. Well, they resigned en-masse but resign is code for "you're fired" at that level.

[Pretty Boy]

The lastest plan is to publish a weekly list of crimes commited by immigrants.

I wonder if the native American people will be asked to contribute? It could take a while.....

[CropleyWasGod]

The lastest plan is to publish a weekly list of crimes commited by immigrants.

I wonder if the native American people will be asked to contribute? It could take a while.....

When they define immigrants, how far back are they going?

:greengrin

[xyz23jc]

The lastest plan is to publish a weekly list of crimes commited by immigrants.

I wonder if the native American people will be asked to contribute? It could take a while.....



Think they are going to be too busy fending off another 'Conquista' from God's own people!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/01/native-american-north-dakota-oil-pipeline-protest

[snooky]

http://mashable.com/2016/12/11/trump-queen-photoshops-terrifying/#0C_m5BThMmqd

He's after us now!

[hibsbollah]

That is beyond mental. Is there a site where someone is compiling everything he does and is that where your list came from? Cheers.

Its currently doing the rounds on Facebook, I'm not sure of the source. The Guardian is doing a 'first 100 days' page that will update daily on all the mad **** going down. Even if he grabs Theresa by the blue waffle tomorrow..

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/jan/20/donald-trump-first-100-days-president-daily-updates

http://www.newstatesman.com/world/2017/01/here-are-23-terrifying-things-president-trump-has-done-last-seven-days

[GreenLake]

As deplorable as Trump is, I can't help but feel like there is a jamboish like denial about how utterly horrific the clowns were that ruled before him. Change won't come till we know how we got to where we are and it wasn't through good leadership, good journalism or collective knowledge of what was really going on. The clowns that ran things, the presstitutes who call themselves journalists and the intellectuals who negligently let them carry on without so much as a whimper of protest are why Trump and others like him are being elected.

[Colr]

Indeed, let's keep putting fingers in ears and go la la la la la and watch as the likes of Brexit and Trump happen.

Maybe if the people were listened to instead of being passed off as narrow minded twats as some on here have called them we would not be on this situation.

This.

Conservatives and New Labour should consider this when they reflect on their position in Scotland.

[hibsbollah]

I never really understood the 'it's all you tolerant people's fault for not being more intolerant that those other intolerant people win elections' argument, but...

Whatever floats your boat.

[northstandhibby]

Indeed, let's keep putting fingers in ears and go la la la la la and watch as the likes of Brexit and Trump happen.

Maybe if the people were listened to instead of being passed off as narrow minded twats as some on here have called them we would not be on this situation.

It shouldn't have passed you by that a large amount did vote brexit because they are indeed narrow minded and little englanders who still live in the imperialist past of rule britannia. Seriously a heck of a lot of them were what you describe. However I totally get your point of the Islington elite and if there had been a decent opposition to brexit it would never have happened.

Glory Glory

[hibsbollah]

The Trump May press conference was a laugh. Q-What do you two have in common? A-May-'we both have a desire to put the needs of ordinary working people front and centre.'

[marinello59]

The Trump May press conference was a laugh. Q-What do you two have in common? A-May-'we both have a desire to put the needs of ordinary working people front and centre.'

My jaw hit the deck at that point.

[Hibrandenburg]

The Trump May press conference was a laugh. Q-What do you two have in common? A-May-'we both have a desire to put the needs of ordinary working people front and centre.'

She probably believes that herself.

[hibsbollah]

She probably believes that herself.

I don't think so. She knows trickle down economics is fantasy.

The other classic was on NATO, where she got Trump to nod his agreement that he was 'committed to NATO' but then said she would be persuading 'other European partners to spend 2% of their GDP on defence, so the burden of defence could be more fairly distributed '. :faf:

What right has she got to make these public demands on other nations? How would she react if the French said the UK should spend more on our health service, (maybe up to French levels of %of GDP), to reverse the crisis in A&E wards? Pure arrogance. But clearly just doing Trumps bidding.

[Radium]

I don't think so. She knows trickle down economics is fantasy.

The other classic was on NATO, where she got Trump to nod his agreement that he was 'committed to NATO' but then said she would be persuading 'other European partners to spend 2% of their GDP on defence, so the burden of defence could be more fairly distributed '. :faf:

What right has she got to make these public demands on other nations? How would she react if the French said the UK should spend more on our health service, (maybe up to French levels of %of GDP), to reverse the crisis in A&E wards? Pure arrogance. But clearly just doing Trumps bidding.

The 2% is a condition of membership so she would be reiterating what has already been agreed. I am sure that we make it but only by including pension payments among other things.

Whether anything will change is questionable though.


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[hibsbollah]

The 2% is a condition of membership so she would be reiterating what has already been agreed. I am sure that we make it but only by including pension payments among other things.

Whether anything will change is questionable though.


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That's true of course, but raising the subject is only designed to divide.

[RyeSloan]

That's true of course, but raising the subject is only designed to divide.

Or maybe just maybe she was telling it how it is...want to be a member of NATO then you need to pull your weight? Doesn't seem to be the most outrageous of comments, especially when you look at the rather large disparity amongst the nations.

Whether the 2% goal actually means anything is another question all together of course..[emoji33]

[marinello59]

I don't think so. She knows trickle down economics is fantasy.

The other classic was on NATO, where she got Trump to nod his agreement that he was 'committed to NATO' but then said she would be persuading 'other European partners to spend 2% of their GDP on defence, so the burden of defence could be more fairly distributed '. :faf:

What right has she got to make these public demands on other nations? How would she react if the French said the UK should spend more on our health service, (maybe up to French levels of %of GDP), to reverse the crisis in A&E wards? Pure arrogance. But clearly just doing Trumps bidding.

I have to reluctantly give her credit here, I thought she got this right. If we are in NATO, and an Independent Scotland will be, we have to pay the membership fee.

[hibsbollah]

I have to reluctantly give her credit here, I thought she got this right. If we are in NATO, and an Independent Scotland will be, we have to pay the membership fee.

I understand the concept of collective responsibility. It's generally a good thing. But she's standing next to a man who is planning to tear up a host of agreements that represent post WW2 commonly understood norms about human rights, environmental protection and equality of opportunity. Its historically unprecedented isolationism.

[northstandhibby]

I understand the concept of collective responsibility. It's generally a good thing. But she's standing next to a man who is planning to tear up a host of agreements that represent post WW2 commonly understood norms about human rights, environmental protection and equality of opportunity. Its historically unprecedented isolationism.

Trump is a troglodyte caveman straight out of the stone age. An arrogant mysogynistic oaf who thinks if he didn't make it up or invent it it's not worth bothering about. A dangerous BNP type maniac who very unfortunately is in charge of one of the world's greatest powers.

You couldn't make it up.

[lord bunberry]

I understand the concept of collective responsibility. It's generally a good thing. But she's standing next to a man who is planning to tear up a host of agreements that represent post WW2 commonly understood norms about human rights, environmental protection and equality of opportunity. Its historically unprecedented isolationism.
It's worrying, but I don't think it's historically unprecedented. America has spent the vast majority of its history being isolationist. The down side for Trump is that they only became a super power by abandoning that policy.

[Colr]

Trump is a troglodyte caveman straight out of the stone age. An arrogant mysogynistic oaf who thinks if he didn't make it up or invent it it's not worth bothering about. A dangerous BNP type maniac who very unfortunately is in charge of one of the world's greatest powers.

You couldn't make it up.

I didn't particularly want Trump (or Brexit) and I don't particularly like Trump as a person. However, I don't think diminishing him adds any clarity to the current situation.

I can see some positives from his approach which is very direct and gets results far more quickly than the naval staring, risk averse, self-serving approach which characterises the public sector in the west. I find that refreshing and I hope it shakes up the public sector generally.

I also think replacing out current free trade arrangements with the EU by a free trade arrangement with the US could work well and be really interesting for us as a country. I would hope that it opens up a greater exchange between us.

Neither of last years election/referendum result where what I would have chosen but we are where we are and that's democracy but I think we owe it to ourselves to make it work for our benefit as best we can and, if we do that right they may turn out for the best after all. Maybe.

[marinello59]

I understand the concept of collective responsibility. It's generally a good thing. But she's standing next to a man who is planning to tear up a host of agreements that represent post WW2 commonly understood norms about human rights, environmental protection and equality of opportunity. Its historically unprecedented isolationism.

It was a strange exchange, it's very odd how she talked for him. I think he was supposed to mention his 100% commitment to NATO and had 'forgotten'. It will be interesting to see if still has 100% commitment to NATO in a few months time. Or given his actions so far, even in a few days.

[marinello59]

I didn't particularly want Trump (or Brexit) and I don't particularly like Trump as a person. However, I don't think diminishing him adds any clarity to the current situation.

I can see some positives from his approach which is very direct and gets results far more quickly than the naval staring, risk averse, self-serving approach which characterises the public sector in the west. I find that refreshing and I hope it shakes up the public sector generally.

I also think replacing out current free trade arrangements with the EU by a free trade arrangement with the US could work well and be really interesting for us as a country. I would hope that it opens up a greater exchange between us.

Neither of last years election/referendum result where what I would have chosen but we are where we are and that's democracy but I think we owe it to ourselves to make it work for our benefit as best we can and, if we do that right they may turn out for the best after all. Maybe.

Having a British Prime Minister standing next to a man expressing his support for torture diminishes us all. The prospect of a hard Brexit (and May had no choice but to go down that route) has left us having to grovel to anybody who will listen to us in order to secure replacement free trade agreements.
Donald Trump is a democratically elected fascist. I find that far from refreshing.

[Colr]

Having a British Prime Minister standing next to a man expressing his support for torture diminishes us all. The prospect of a hard Brexit (and May had no choice but to go down that route) has left us having to grovel to anybody who will listen to us in order to secure replacement free trade agreements.
Donald Trump is a democratically elected fascist. I find that far from refreshing.

What's do you propose she does?

May backed remain too. The British people backed Brexit.

[steakbake]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/28/theresa-may-signs-100m-fighter-jet-deal-with-turkeys-erdogan

"Fighter jets and predator drones"

Jesus wept.

Is there literally nothing that will pierce the armour of self-delusion? Arming dictators, flattering extremists - being outside the EU will be whoring ourselves to anyone that wants to buy the tools for killing.

[marinello59]

What's do you propose she does?

May backed remain too. The British people backed Brexit.

May backed nothing, she deliberately kept a low profile so she could count on both wings of the Tory party if the vote triggered a leadership contest. Forget taking a principled stand to back something she believed was better for the country, blind ambition came first.
She could have waited to see just what a Donald Trump presidency looked like before rushing over to bask in the glow of his 'stunning' victory then inviting him for a state visit. Hours after she left he is going as far as he can to enforce a complete ban on Muslims entering the United States and is washing his hands of the plight of genuine refugees and she is off grovelling to Turkey to enter in to an arms deal with us. She will go down in history as one of the most incompetent PM's the UK has ever had. Hopefully she will also be the last PM the UK as we know it has.

[xyz23jc]

May backed nothing, she deliberately kept a low profile so she could count on both wings of the Tory party if the vote triggered a leadership contest. Forget taking a principled stand to back something she believed was better for the country, blind ambition came first.
She could have waited to see just what a Donald Trump presidency looked like before rushing over to bask in the glow of his 'stunning' victory then inviting him for a state visit. Hours after she left he is going as far as he can to enforce a complete ban on Muslims entering the United States and is washing his hands of the plight of genuine refugees and she is off grovelling to Turkey to enter in to an arms deal with us. She will go down in history as one of the most incompetent PM's the UK has ever had. Hopefully she will also be the last PM the UK as we know it has.


100% agree with the last sentence. Beyond disgusting. :agree:

[Betty Boop]

The sight of May and Trump leaving their meeting hand in hand was sickening. Dangerous times ahead I fear.

[northstandhibby]

What's do you propose she does?

May backed remain too. The British people backed Brexit.

Brexit has deeply divided the British people. Scotland voted to remain in the EU and therefore has every right to be vexed at being ripped out of it as we as a country are more in line with the common good, civil rights/human rights, tolerance/respect and decency the EU has at its core.

A hard Brexit will undoubtedly break up the UK and Ukip and the Tories will have no-one to blame but themselves albeit if Labour had actually been an opposition it would not have happened.

Glory Glory

[CropleyWasGod]

Brexit has deeply divided the British people. Scotland voted to remain in the EU and therefore has every right be vexed at being ripped out of it as we as a country are more in line with the common good, civil rights/human rights, tolerance/respect and decency the EU has at its core.

A hard Brexit will undoubtedly break up the UK and Ukip and the Tories will have no-one to blame but themselves albeit if Labour had actually been an opposition it would not have happened.

Glory Glory

Playing Devil's Advocate here, but that's a bit like Trump's answer to Laura Kuensberg yesterday.

I'm still waiting for that....:greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

As serious an issue as it is I did smile when I heard Nadhim Zahawi, pro Brexit MP, crying his eyes out on TV because he's effectively banned from the US at the moment. Given the linchpin of the leave campaign was 'control of our own borders' I would have thought he would have fully supported Trumps right to make that decision.

[northstandhibby]

As serious an issue as it is I did smile when I heard Nadhim Zahawi, pro Brexit MP, crying his eyes out on TV because he's effectively banned from the US at the moment. Given the linchpin of the leave campaign was 'control of our own borders' I would have thought he would have fully supported Trumps right to make that decision.

I didn't see the TV report you refer to but based on what you say it is the type of ironic contradiction that makes one wonder if the only 'leave' that's paramount among the likes of brexiteers such as Nadhim Zahawi is the loss of their brain matter.

Glory Glory

[snooky]

Just read through one of those frustrating newsbites links at the bottom of various websites.
The one I read was for which personality voted for Trump or Clinton.
I couldn't help but smile at this one ....

Stacey Dash – Trump
Dash has long been a vocal conservative. The Clueless star is a frequent Fox News guest and has indicated her support of Trump’s campaign.

Oh the irony :faf:

[The Green Goblin]

Two fascinating, essential and terrifying reads:

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/big-data-cambridge-analytica-brexit-trump


https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.pvebza1ae

[steakbake]

Two fascinating, essential and terrifying reads:

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/big-data-cambridge-analytica-brexit-trump


https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.pvebza1ae

Ha! Found my way to both of these articles earlier in the day. The one about the coup - it's possible.

The big data one was something covered in an Adam Curtis documentary - Hypernormalisation.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I didn't particularly want Trump (or Brexit) and I don't particularly like Trump as a person. However, I don't think diminishing him adds any clarity to the current situation.

I can see some positives from his approach which is very direct and gets results far more quickly than the naval staring, risk averse, self-serving approach which characterises the public sector in the west. I find that refreshing and I hope it shakes up the public sector generally.

I also think replacing out current free trade arrangements with the EU by a free trade arrangement with the US could work well and be really interesting for us as a country. I would hope that it opens up a greater exchange between us.

Neither of last years election/referendum result where what I would have chosen but we are where we are and that's democracy but I think we owe it to ourselves to make it work for our benefit as best we can and, if we do that right they may turn out for the best after all. Maybe.


Well said mate, pretty much where i am too.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/28/theresa-may-signs-100m-fighter-jet-deal-with-turkeys-erdogan

"Fighter jets and predator drones"

Jesus wept.

Is there literally nothing that will pierce the armour of self-delusion? Arming dictators, flattering extremists - being outside the EU will be whoring ourselves to anyone that wants to buy the tools for killing.

I would imagine defense qould be excluded from EU wide deals.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

100% agree with the last sentence. Beyond disgusting. :agree:

I get that there are plenty who support nationalism here, and i could potentially be one.

But dont pretend the SNP are committed ideological purists.

They will, and indeed often have, pursued all kinds of weird and wonderful policies, and shed many principle in pursuit of their goal.

The FM is apparently considering doing do again
Mayne being ideologically commited to the 'european project' isnt working out, amd EU membership isnt that important after all eh?

[steakbake]

OK, but just be mindful that this 'very direct approach which gets results' can very quickly unravel. Such as essentially supplanting senior, experienced members of the intelligence and defence organisations with his own adviser - who happens to be a renowned anti-semite and racialist with absolutely no experience in defence, intelligence or civil protection. Or instructing departments of the executive to ignore judicial decisions.

There is also a constitution - something we do not have here, unless you count the magna carta (which as an aside, tells us that we must let foreign merchants pass freely throughout England) - which is there to protect the people's rights. You may think this is some kind of liberal quagmire but you know, what luck - you've not needed to rely on constitutional protections or in the UK case, on any articles in the Human Rights Act. This situation may very well be unconstitutional. You will miss them when they are gone.

If you're happy to stick up for that and cheer it while the going is good, then fair play to you - you must really, really trust human nature on the basis of absolutely no historical evidence that it is essentially benign.

[hibsbollah]

Two fascinating, essential and terrifying reads:

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/big-data-cambridge-analytica-brexit-trump


https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.pvebza1ae

I knew about the first one.
The second one? Terrifyingly plausible.

[At The Edge]

Bannon is the one to watch, very much got the ear of Trump to carry out his 'alt' right wing odious ideas

[ronaldo7]

I get that there are plenty who support nationalism here, and i could potentially be one.

But dont pretend the SNP are committed ideological purists.

They will, and indeed often have, pursued all kinds of weird and wonderful policies, and shed many principle in pursuit of their goal.

The FM is apparently considering doing do again
Mayne being ideologically commited to the 'european project' isnt working out, amd EU membership isnt that important after all eh?

You get them all here. Scottish Nationalists, British Nationalists, Welsh Nationalists, Irish, French, English, and German.:aok:

[steakbake]

Bannon is the one to watch, very much got the ear of Trump to carry out his 'alt' right wing odious ideas

And now sits on national intelligence committees. Very very dangerous man.

[Holmesdale Hibs]

It's difficult to know where to start with Trump. First of all, I wouldn't have voted for him, as saying so seems obligatory whenever his name is mentioned in this country.

However, I have found the coverage of his policies extremely biased and poorly presented. This evening, Sky News did a 15min article on his 'immigration ban' without actually saying what it was (refugees, US citizens, tourists, people with visas, all the above?) and instead focussed on the protests and interviews with various people who were appalled by him for various reasons. I have since read what his policy is and disapprove, but the media (not just Sky) seem incapable of focusing on the facts of the story and seem to think they can boost their ratings by repeating how horrible Trump is.

Instead of the lazy digs at him, it would be more constructive and better journalism to focus on what his policies actually are, why he ended up winning the election (the media here come across as in awe of Obama and afraid to criticise) and the likely impact of the policies. If they tell the audience the facts then we can make our own minds up.

As for Trump himself, part of me thinks at least he's actually doing what he said he would, even although I expect some of his policies and language will do more harm than good. Although it gets less coverage (because it's less decisive and the media like to stir), I'm particularly worried about his approach towards the environment as some of his changes could be irreversible and set the whole process even further behind.

[Pretty Boy]

Attorney General sacked for 'betraying' the Department of Justice.

That's the kind of rhetoric we mock North Korea for.

[hibsbollah]

Attorney General sacked for 'betraying' the Department of Justice.

That's the kind of rhetoric we mock North Korea for.

The BBC North America Editor Tony Zurcher :

'Acting Attorney General Sally Yates essentially forced Mr Trump's hand when she ordered justice department lawyers not to defend the president's recent immigration order in court.
Mr Trump could not abide such defiance from an Obama Administration holdover due for replacement soon anyway'.

...which misses the point a bit. Was someone not saying earlier on this thread about the separation of legislative executive and judicial branches of government? Untangling that system, if you want to, just requires the necessary political will.

[GreenLake]

A bit of irony about Trump's wall

https://mishtalk.com/2017/01/30/flashback-2006-senators-clinton-and-obama-vote-for-secure-fence-act-bush-signs-bill/

[Hibbyradge]

https://youtu.be/W_anu-feuKE

[steakbake]

The BBC North America Editor Tony Zurcher :

'Acting Attorney General Sally Yates essentially forced Mr Trump's hand when she ordered justice department lawyers not to defend the president's recent immigration order in court.
Mr Trump could not abide such defiance from an Obama Administration holdover due for replacement soon anyway'.

...which misses the point a bit. Was someone not saying earlier on this thread about the separation of legislative executive and judicial branches of government? Untangling that system, if you want to, just requires the necessary political will.

Never mind all the due process/whether things are constitutional or legal or not. Some folks are just impressed you can go in and unpick over a century of constitutional protections just by ignoring they exist or by sacking the people who are there to defend the commonly agreed rules of the game.

It's fantastic to see apparently, all of those checks and balances in the system designed to prevent tyranny and dictatorial rule being swept away by Trump playing glove-puppet to known anti-semite and white supremacist Bannon.

There must be people in the GOP starting to wonder where this will end up. If there's not, there really should be.

[Future17]

If the comments Trump reportedly made during/following his phone call with Malcolm Turnbull, about the Australia/USA immigration deal and the Boston bombers, are true, then those comments are simply racist.

[The Green Goblin]

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver returns tonight. Often an interesting take on things, and an entertaining view, so I welcome its return.

[CropleyWasGod]

If the comments Trump reportedly made during/following his phone call with Malcolm Turnbull, about the Australia/USA immigration deal and the Boston bombers, are true, then those comments are simply racist.

They also call into question the propaganda that he's good at handling people down-under.






:cb

[steakbake]

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver returns tonight. Often an interesting take on things, and an entertaining view, so I welcome its return.

Expect enjoyable Trump tweeting later about it being unfunny, biased and one-sided!

[GreenLake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwzKS2mcNaY

[stoneyburn hibs]

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver returns tonight. Often an interesting take on things, and an entertaining view, so I welcome its return.

I'd never heard of John Oliver until I watched Last Week Tonight, he's very good.

[johnbc70]

If the comments Trump reportedly made during/following his phone call with Malcolm Turnbull, about the Australia/USA immigration deal and the Boston bombers, are true, then those comments are simply racist.

Notice how people pick up on Trumps comments but happily ignore Australia's stance on refusing refugees and keeping them on islands in the Pacific Ocean!

Where are the marches and petitions demanding this changes?

[hibsbollah]

Never mind all the due process/whether things are constitutional or legal or not. Some folks are just impressed you can go in and unpick over a century of constitutional protections just by ignoring they exist or by sacking the people who are there to defend the commonly agreed rules of the game.

It's fantastic to see apparently, all of those checks and balances in the system designed to prevent tyranny and dictatorial rule being swept away by Trump playing glove-puppet to known anti-semite and white supremacist Bannon.

There must be people in the GOP starting to wonder where this will end up. If there's not, there really should be.

The GOP will be trying to tame the beast they created for the next four years. It's not just the Democrats who hate Trumps vision. And if he does turn into a one term oddity, or even gets impeached before seeing out his term, the US political establishment will remember how subservient May was. There will be even less give and take and the 'special relationship' will mean even less to them. Just bad politics all round.

[steakbake]

Notice how people pick up on Trumps comments but happily ignore Australia's stance on refusing refugees and keeping them on islands in the Pacific Ocean!

Where are the marches and petitions demanding this changes?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-08/let-them-stay-protests-against-return-of-asylum-seekers-to-nauru/7150462

https://www.varsity.co.uk/news/11895

https://www.change.org/p/the-un-stop-the-inhumane-treatment-of-asylum-seekers-sanction-the-australian-government-for-breaching-international-law

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/24/petition-calls-for-australia-to-ratify-un-protocol-against-torture-in-detention

[johnbc70]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-08/let-them-stay-protests-against-return-of-asylum-seekers-to-nauru/7150462

https://www.varsity.co.uk/news/11895

https://www.change.org/p/the-un-stop-the-inhumane-treatment-of-asylum-seekers-sanction-the-australian-government-for-breaching-international-law

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/24/petition-calls-for-australia-to-ratify-un-protocol-against-torture-in-detention

The petition has just over 5,000 signatories and is now 'closed' so has had no effect or impact. Point was more that people are quick to jump on anything Trump says and it has become the fashionable thing in the media now to focus on what he says rather than dig deeper at the actual story.

Similarly where are the marches and petitions about Saudi Arabia's treatment of women and their human rights record - 100,000 women march in London against Trump, wonder how many would turn up at a march against the Saudi Government.

[steakbake]

Fair enough, John. You probably think Trump is hard done by, misunderstood and it is all total hypocrisy. Where were people when... I've been reading that kind of viewpoint, though it usually comes with a Pepe the Frog emoticon. Or weirder still, is advanced by people on the left.

It's a kind of two wrongs don't make a right. US foreign policy has been a complete disaster for many, many years - I've been out and protested it a few times: Iraq War and the bombing of Serbia. I haven't been out protesting at every single occurrence of bad stuff in the world. But I will protest Trump because, as I say, he is a complete loose cannon who actively courts and engages with white supremacists and anti-semites, like Steve Bannon - his chief adviser and now with a seat on the US National Security Council.

I'll not convince you otherwise and you won't convince me.

[johnbc70]

Fair enough, John. You probably think Trump is hard done by, misunderstood and it is all total hypocrisy. Where were people when... I've been reading that kind of viewpoint, though it usually comes with a Pepe the Frog emoticon. Or weirder still, is advanced by people on the left.

It's a kind of two wrongs don't make a right. US foreign policy has been a complete disaster for many, many years - I've been out and protested it a few times: Iraq War and the bombing of Serbia. I haven't been out protesting at every single occurrence of bad stuff in the world. But I will protest Trump because, as I say, he is a complete loose cannon who actively courts and engages with white supremacists and anti-semites, like Steve Bannon - his chief adviser and now with a seat on the US National Security Council.

I'll not convince you otherwise and you won't convince me.

I don't think he is hard done by and he deserves everything he gets. Just it seems like the fashionable thing at the moment to criticise everything he is doing when there is a lot worse going on. I appreciate we can't march and protest against everything though.

[CropleyWasGod]

I don't think he is hard done by and he deserves everything he gets. Just it seems like the fashionable thing at the moment to criticise everything he is doing when there is a lot worse going on. I appreciate we can't march and protest against everything though.
Part of the issue is that Australian immigration policy, and Saudi treatment of women, don't have a direct impact on our lives. Trump's decisions, though, have that potential.

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[steakbake]

I don't think he is hard done by and he deserves everything he gets. Just it seems like the fashionable thing at the moment to criticise everything he is doing when there is a lot worse going on. I appreciate we can't march and protest against everything though.

Sorry, I made a bit of an erse of myself there. I suppose it is fashionable because it's right in front of our eyes. Maybe it'll die down. I do think that at some stage, they'll try play it to their advantage: like the violence at Berkeley last night - totally counter productive.

[The Green Goblin]

I don't think he is hard done by and he deserves everything he gets. Just it seems like the fashionable thing at the moment to criticise everything he is doing when there is a lot worse going on. I appreciate we can't march and protest against everything though.

I would have said that as the most powerful man on the planet, the things he is doing merit special attention, especially given the impact they are having, and could potentially have.

[johnbc70]

One thing about Trump, he is doing exactly as he said he would do. Are we not always critical of politicians who say one thing to get elected and never actually do what they say? Can't accuse him of that!

[lord bunberry]

One thing about Trump, he is doing exactly as he said he would do. Are we not always critical of politicians who say one thing to get elected and never actually do what they say? Can't accuse him of that!
There's a certain irony to that. Of all the politicians you wanted not to be true to their word it's him.

[johnbc70]

There's a certain irony to that. Of all the politicians you wanted not to be true to their word it's him.

True, but we are quick to criticise those that don't.

[RyeSloan]

One thing about Trump, he is doing exactly as he said he would do. Are we not always critical of politicians who say one thing to get elected and never actually do what they say? Can't accuse him of that!

It is interesting, maybe morbidly so, watching it unfold.

Trump isn't a politician, I think that's the crux of it.

[Dinkydoo]

True, but we are quick to criticise those that don't.
I'm not sure why you're placing so much emphasis on this; he shouldn't be criticised for the terrible decisions he's making, just because he said he would make them during the election campaign?

[The Green Goblin]

One thing about Trump, he is doing exactly as he said he would do. Are we not always critical of politicians who say one thing to get elected and never actually do what they say? Can't accuse him of that!

The things we can accuse him of pale into comparison next to worrying about whether or not he kept his campaign promises. In the grand scheme of things right now, when you have a chief WH strategist who is willing to watch the world burn in pursuit of creating a new dominant American world order from the ashes, it's very low down on the list of worries!

[johnbc70]

I'm not sure why you're placing so much emphasis on this; he shouldn't be criticised for the terrible decisions he's making, just because he said he would make them during the election campaign?

I say he gets everything he deserves. Point was we moan when politicians don't do as they say, we moan when they do.

[johnbc70]

The things we can accuse him of pale into comparison next to worrying about whether or not he kept his campaign promises. In the grand scheme of things right now, when you have a chief WH strategist who is willing to watch the world burn in pursuit of creating a new dominant American world order from the ashes, it's very low down on the list of worries!

America has been pursuing a new world order where they are the dominant force for decades now, it's not new. Maybe just a bit more open now!

[northstandhibby]

It is interesting, maybe morbidly so, watching it unfold.

Trump isn't a politician, I think that's the crux of it.

Not defending Trump, but what's your perception of a politician?

glory glory

[Dinkydoo]

I say he gets everything he deserves. Point was we moan when politicians don't do as they say, we moan when they do.
But I'm not sure it's a valid point to make - is anyone actually moaning because he was honest? I think people are simply complaining because he's rushing into making decisions about things he has little grasp of, he's petulant, a bit racist and likely to provoke a world war and destory the global economy

[RyeSloan]

Not defending Trump, but what's your perception of a politician?

glory glory

Not Trump!

[johnbc70]

But I'm not sure it's a valid point to make - is anyone actually moaning because he was honest? I think people are simply complaining because he's rushing into making decisions about things he has little grasp of, he's petulant, a bit racist and likely to provoke a world war and destory the global economy

Loads were moaning when we was honest on his campaign? If not moaning what was it?

[The Green Goblin]

Loads were moaning when we was honest on his campaign? If not moaning what was it?

No offence John, but tbh it's starting to feel a wee bit like you are arguing for the sake of it. :dunno:

[RyeSloan]

Loving Trumps tweet outburst today....he was talking about an American court deciding American law as America having its right to make laws taken away...that's just genius!

[johnbc70]

No offence John, but tbh it's starting to feel a wee bit like you are arguing for the sake of it. :dunno:

I got asked a question, I answered it.

[Pretty Boy]

Loving Trumps tweet outburst today....he was talking about an American court deciding American law as America having its right to make laws taken away...that's just genius!

If he is leading us on a path to armageddon at least there will be a few laughs along the way.

[Slavers]

If he is leading us on a path to armageddon at least there will be a few laughs along the way.

Don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters!

[Jim44]

I heard the great opponent of fake news on the news a few minutes ago, saying that European police and security forces had embarked on a policy of not reporting acts of terrorism, which were rife in Europe.

[snooky]

The Republicans themselves will have to get rid of Trump. If any other person or force does, there will be carnage in the USA.
(Unless of course he actually lasts the 4 years and is voted out after his first term).

[mjhibby]

I heard the great opponent of fake news on the news a few minutes ago, saying that European police and security forces had embarked on a policy of not reporting acts of terrorism, which were rife in Europe.

As opposed to the Tories saying there is a heightened alert on the chance of terrorism in the UK so to enforce that there is bad guys everywhere. If it wasn't reality I doubt I could make up govt as comical and as shambolic as the ones here and the us. As for Trump he is the classic it's ma baw kid who when he can't get his own way spits out the dummy. God knows what the rest of the world thinks of the us and the uk. May better get used to be the one nobody speaks to at parties as we are on our own now and at the mercy of the industrial European wolves. Brexit equals nobody has a clue what's going on. Just a normal time for politicians then.

[steakbake]

The Republicans themselves will have to get rid of Trump. If any other person or force does, there will be carnage in the USA.
(Unless of course he actually lasts the 4 years and is voted out after his first term).

I think Gen Mattis is the man to watch on that front.

[GreenLake]

Loving Trumps tweet outburst today....he was talking about an American court deciding American law as America having its right to make laws taken away...that's just genius!

He isn't the first to do that.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/alito-winces-as-obama-slams-supreme-court-ruling/

Still, it is somewhat comforting to know that politicians can't just do what they want all the time.

[JackLadd]

Looks like the Steele dossier wasn't fake news. Some of it has been corroborated.


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/russia-dossier-update/index.html

[ACLeith]

Looks like the Steele dossier wasn't fake news. Some of it has been corroborated.


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/russia-dossier-update/index.html

The start of the slow drip feed of details that could lead who knows where?

[NAE NOOKIE]

Where's spitting image when you need it :greengrin

[Hibs Class]

No posts on this thread for over three days......I take it things have been uneventful in Trumpland?

[Hibbyradge]

No posts on this thread for over three days......I take it things have been uneventful in Trumpland?

Trump fatigue.

[snooky]

Trump fatigue.

Good-o for Trudeau :aok:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2017/feb/14/donald-trumps-strange-handshake-style-and-how-justin-trude

[beensaidbefore]

No posts on this thread for over three days......I take it things have been uneventful in Trumpland?

Folk have realised he is actually a really sound guy who is just a bit misunderstood.... 😉

[At The Edge]

Trump himself is a bit part player in what is an a total farce of US politics, it's fascinating to watch, Stephen Miiler has been the stand out this week, guy is a total fruitcake with absolutely no emotion whatsoever and a view that Trump's executive orders or whatever he says in general should not be questioned, Trump has had a bit of a meltdown on Twitter today, all for wiki leaks and the like exposing Hilary pre election but not so keen when he's the one getting exposed for his pro Russian filled cabinet dealings.
will he last 6months at this rate before the senior Republicans pull the plug?

[ACLeith]

Starting to look more and more like Watergate. the slow drip of info that goes higher and higher up the chain of command. What is the possibility that he knew of the contacts and gave his explicit approval? If he did and evidence emerges that proves it then he's toast

Here's hoping

[RyeSloan]

First of many crisis for Trump...he's set up a war with the deep state...he's only just beginning to feel it's power! [emoji23]

[hibsbollah]

Well he's just announced he's no longer interested in the 'two state solution' in Palestine. Netanyahu now has a total green light for more illegal settlements and the US is even further away from mainstream world opinion on the issue.

So I'd say he's still keeping busy, being a Fascist radge.

[JackLadd]

Flynn a wonderful man and victim of fake news, says Trump. No, he was sacked by you, Trump. FBI not prosecuting Flynn, that will be the same FBI who went after Hillary a week before the vote. Three of Trump's operatives had constant contact with Russian officials during the campaign. Trump staying tight lipped on media questions, refusing to address the matter. Get his tax returns out there, that will show any links.

[Sylar]

Flynn a wonderful man and victim of fake news, says Trump. No, he was sacked by you, Trump. FBI not prosecuting Flynn, that will be the same FBI who went after Hillary a week before the vote. Three of Trump's operatives had constant contact with Russian officials during the campaign. Trump staying tight lipped on media questions, refusing to address the matter. Get his tax returns out there, that will show any links.

Won't be happening - Was tossed out after a 23-15 vote against forcing him to release them on Tuesday.

https://thinkprogress.org/congress-had-a-chance-to-get-trumps-tax-returns-republicans-voted-it-down-bf317b718550#.z3liykndo

[Jim44]

Are dodgy hairstyles the secret to 'getting on' in politics? Donald Trump, Boris Johnson and Rex Tillerson ken what's goin' on.:greengrin

[The Green Goblin]

Flynn a wonderful man and victim of fake news, says Trump. No, he was sacked by you, Trump. FBI not prosecuting Flynn, that will be the same FBI who went after Hillary a week before the vote. Three of Trump's operatives had constant contact with Russian officials during the campaign. Trump staying tight lipped on media questions, refusing to address the matter. Get his tax returns out there, that will show any links.

His position became untenable and I´m pretty sure he resigned. Trump has stood by him though, as you say.

What an unbelievable mess this all is. I still can´t get my head round how he is getting away with this stuff (e.g. appointing family members, the security farce at Florida, the statements his lackeys are coming out with - "the president´s authority will not be questioned" springs to mind etc. etc. etc.) You have a GOP majority who blocked the publication of his tax returns and seem to be willing to put up with absolutely anything, even proven collusion with Russian intelligence before, during and since the election, if it means holding onto power, even if the price of that is compromising the entire country and potentially the safety of the rest of the world. I literally can not understand why he is still there and nobody has acted. It´s mind-blowing.

[snooky]

His position became untenable and I´m pretty sure he resigned. Trump has stood by him though, as you say.

What an unbelievable mess this all is. I still can´t get my head round how he is getting away with this stuff (e.g. appointing family members, the security farce at Florida, the statements his lackeys are coming out with - "the president´s authority will not be questioned" springs to mind etc. etc. etc.) You have a GOP majority who blocked the publication of his tax returns and seem to be willing to put up with absolutely anything, even proven collusion with Russian intelligence before, during and since the election, if it means holding onto power, even if the price of that is compromising the entire country and potentially the safety of the rest of the world. I literally can not understand why he is still there and nobody has acted. It´s mind-blowing.

Only in America.
Still living in the days of the Wild West.

[DaveF]

The press conference he is giving just now is so bad, yet I'm still watching it.

He is a complete walloper.

[DaveF]

Scratch that, he's not a walloper, he is insane. 100% mad as mad can be.

[heretoday]

His delivery is very awkward. He talks like a ten year old and repeats the same boring nonsense over and over. If it wasn't so deadly serious it would be laughable.

[ACLeith]

Scratch that, he's not a walloper, he is insane. 100% mad as mad can be.

I have felt for a long time that he is mentally ill. A delusional megalomaniac. Similar to Romanov in many ways

[Jim44]

I have felt for a long time that he is mentally ill. A delusional megalomaniac. Similar to Romanov in many ways

Perhaps he is. But that's not a great worry because there's only so much damage a nutter in his position can do till they slip the straightjacket on. What I worry about is the country that has a system which allows him to be elected to that position in the first place

[Smartie]

I have felt for a long time that he is mentally ill. A delusional megalomaniac. Similar to Romanov in many ways

I read a really interesting article that was written by a family member of someone who had some sort of narcissistic personality disorder, how to deal with the person (and not to deal with them) and the problems that it brings.

He went on to describe what it might mean to have someone in the Oval Office who suffered from one.

It was bang on the money. Trump is without doubt mentally ill.

If the world should be lucky enough to survive this enormously dangerous period, I hope one day we'll be able to look back at it and laugh at how utterly bonkers it is.

[JackLadd]

That presser was a slow motion car crash. Basically attack the media (except Faux news) and deny, deflect and evade. If he wants media cheerleaders he should move to North Korea. Leaks are now criminal apparently, but he loved them just three months back. Didn't address the Russian questions other than to say it's the medias fault he can't lift the sanctions yet on Putin, hence why Putin launched a new cruise missile. Okay. No mention of any transparent investigation on his alleged campaign Russia collusion - he doesn't know his three guys named on the intel. Really? His attack on CNN strayed into vicious bullying territory I thought. Then he verbally assaulted the Jewish guy with a sit down and be quiet. :rolleyes:

[Hibs Class]

I have felt for a long time that he is mentally ill. A delusional megalomaniac. Similar to Romanov in many ways

You're not alone:


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/opinion/mental-health-professionals-warn-about-trump.html?_r=0

[Jim44]

The press conference he is giving just now is so bad, yet I'm still watching it.

He is a complete walloper.

It was being analysed on Newsnight a few minutes ago. It's really unbelievable how he expresses himself and the level of condescension and patronising is breathtaking. They included an interview with Sebastian Gorka, a Trump assistant. He sounded as bitter and crazy as his boss.

[AgentDaleCooper]

another major worry will present itself if he does get impeached, and that is having mike pence as president. he's actually got brains, and is possibly even more horrific in his political outlook than trump. bannon has described trump as a 'blunt instrument' - he get them into power, not just himself, and they are perfectly capable of conspiring to oust him. genuinely scary times.

[ACLeith]

another major worry will present itself if he does get impeached, and that is having mike pence as president. he's actually got brains, and is possibly even more horrific in his political outlook than trump. bannon has described trump as a 'blunt instrument' - he get them into power, not just himself, and they are perfectly capable of conspiring to oust him. genuinely scary times.

If he was impeached/deposed due to collusion with Russia trying to subvert the election could there be a case for rerunning the election?

Would be even more divisive than the last one but if the Democrats got their act together with a decent candidate then they would be likely to win?

Popcorn time

[ACLeith]

You're not alone:


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/opinion/mental-health-professionals-warn-about-trump.html?_r=0

Thanks for the link. I am a complete layman regarding mental illness but just compare the dictionary definition of megalomania with his actions. One thing for sure - the mayhem of the last few weeks can't continue for 4 years, something will have to change and his mental state means it's not likely to be him

[AgentDaleCooper]

If he was impeached/deposed due to collusion with Russia trying to subvert the election could there be a case for rerunning the election?

Would be even more divisive than the last one but if the Democrats got their act together with a decent candidate then they would be likely to win?

Popcorn time

i'm no expert, but as far as i'm aware, the impeachment of a president simply hands power to the VP - i think that's what happened with Nixon, Gerald Ford was his VP, and he succeeded Nixon when he went - though I think Nixon resigned, and I don't know what difference this makes on things.

[pontius pilate]

i'm no expert, but as far as i'm aware, the impeachment of a president simply hands power to the VP - i think that's what happened with Nixon, Gerald Ford was his VP, and he succeeded Nixon when he went - though I think Nixon resigned, and I don't know what difference this makes on things.

I the president becomes disposed after the annuaguration power then gets transferred to the v.p as laid down in the constitution. I only answer as the missus and I were watching a programme the other night where the president elect was assasinated before being sworn in the question the arose what would happen. IMO the American people voted for him so leave them to it. Again IMO Clinton could have been worse. They had to choose between two evils and chose the one with the best spin

[grunt]

Again IMO Clinton could have been worse. Difficult to see how.

[Just Alf]

Difficult to see how.
Agreed, while she's obviously not perfect, the worst of the "negativity" looks to have come frome fake.news stories... i just can't understand how Mr Trump thought it was all fair game at.the time but President Trump now has the opposite view??


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[The Green Goblin]

David Frum on Twitter just posted that NYT, CNN and others are about to break a "very, very damaging story indeed".

[ACLeith]

i'm no expert, but as far as i'm aware, the impeachment of a president simply hands power to the VP - i think that's what happened with Nixon, Gerald Ford was his VP, and he succeeded Nixon when he went - though I think Nixon resigned, and I don't know what difference this makes on things.

I agree that's the norm but just surmising a "what if". Don't want one nut job replaced by another

[DaveF]

David Frum on Twitter just posted that NYT, CNN and others are about to break a "very, very damaging story indeed".

What was it as I don't see any big stories on our channels?

[The Green Goblin]

What was it as I don't see any big stories on our channels?

Not sure. I don't think it has come out yet. The rumour is it's to do with the Russian dossier. Or....it's a loady pash. :greengrin

[NAE NOOKIE]

You're not alone:


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/opinion/mental-health-professionals-warn-about-trump.html?_r=0

Bloody hell ............ At least two guys who even to a layman are obviously heavy hitters in the field of psychiatry have put their names to that letter, not only that but they have clearly set aside a self imposed ethical rule to go public, something I'm sure they didn't do lightly.

Its one thing having your average man in the street thinking the president of the USA is mentally unsound ..... but when folk who make a living treating mental health problems come out and say they are probably right that's a bit of a worry, to say the least :confused:

[JackLadd]

A highly mendacious narcissistic sociopath that cannot empathise. This is what's leading the free world. :confused:

[Jim44]

Chatting to a couple of friends, both bright and knowledgable. earlier today about Trump and his recent Press Conference. They jumped down my throat when I referred to his ridiculous behaviour and insisted that he was the best thing to happen to the USA in years, Chaque a son gout, as they say. :rolleyes:

[marinello59]

Chatting to a couple of friends, both bright and knowledgable. earlier today about Trump and his recent Press Conference. They jumped down my throat when I referred to his ridiculous behaviour and insisted that he was the best thing to happen to the USA in years, Chaque a son gout, as they say. :rolleyes:

The people who put him where he is will have loved his press conference the other day. He is doing exactly what he told them he would do.

[xyz23jc]

A highly mendacious narcissistic sociopath that cannot empathise. This is what's leading the free world. :confused:

Ruth Davidson?:greengrin:thumbsup::na na::cb

[lord bunberry]

The people who put him where he is will have loved his press conference the other day. He is doing exactly what he told them he would do.
Absolutely. I disagree with just about everything he says, but you can't deny he's being true to his word.

[theonlywayisup]

He's now referring to a non-existant attack on Sweden to help defend his views!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39020962

Apparently all that happened in Sweden on the night that Trump refers to is:



A man setting himself on fire at a plaza in central Stockholm
Famous singer Owe Thornqvist suffering technical problems in rehearsals for the aforementioned Melfest
A man killed in workplace accident
Road closures in northern Sweden due to "harsh weather"
Police car chase through central Stockholm of a suspected drunk driver


Will it be more lies to explain how he got it wrong?

[Colr]

He's now referring to a non-existant attack on Sweden to help defend his views!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39020962

Apparently all that happened in Sweden on the night that Trump refers to is:



A man setting himself on fire at a plaza in central Stockholm
Famous singer Owe Thornqvist suffering technical problems in rehearsals for the aforementioned Melfest
A man killed in workplace accident
Road closures in northern Sweden due to "harsh weather"
Police car chase through central Stockholm of a suspected drunk driver


Will it be more lies to explain how he got it wrong?

It has been covered up my the media and only Donald is telling the truth according to his followers!!

[Hibrandenburg]

He's now referring to a non-existant attack on Sweden to help defend his views!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39020962

Apparently all that happened in Sweden on the night that Trump refers to is:



A man setting himself on fire at a plaza in central Stockholm
Famous singer Owe Thornqvist suffering technical problems in rehearsals for the aforementioned Melfest
A man killed in workplace accident
Road closures in northern Sweden due to "harsh weather"
Police car chase through central Stockholm of a suspected drunk driver


Will it be more lies to explain how he got it wrong?

You need to remember it was the Poles who first attacked Germany back in 39.

[heretoday]

If he brings jobs to the rust belts of America he'll have done what he said he'd do. He wants to shut up about everything else.