(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[ekhibee]

He's now referring to a non-existant attack on Sweden to help defend his views!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39020962

Apparently all that happened in Sweden on the night that Trump refers to is:



A man setting himself on fire at a plaza in central Stockholm
Famous singer Owe Thornqvist suffering technical problems in rehearsals for the aforementioned Melfest
A man killed in workplace accident
Road closures in northern Sweden due to "harsh weather"
Police car chase through central Stockholm of a suspected drunk driver


Will it be more lies to explain how he got it wrong?
He's quite rightfully getting slagged mercilessly in Sweden because of all the nonsense he was saying/implying. A mate of mine took the 2/1 about Trump getting impeached before his term runs out.

[Moulin Yarns]

He's quite rightfully getting slagged mercilessly in Sweden because of all the nonsense he was saying/implying. A mate of mine took the 2/1 about Trump getting impeached before his term runs out.


https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/1435781209848262/

[GreenLake]

He's quite rightfully getting slagged mercilessly in Sweden because of all the nonsense he was saying/implying. A mate of mine took the 2/1 about Trump getting impeached before his term runs out.

http://time.com/4677559/stockholm-sweden-rinkeby-riots-drug-arrest/

:faf:

Maybe you should be asking why Ted heath wasn't impeached. Everybody fell asleep on that one.

[Colr]

SNL is in its element with Trump

This is brilliant

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UWuc18xISwI

Spicer HATES this, I understand.

[Hibs Class]

SNL is in its element with Trump

This is brilliant

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UWuc18xISwI

Spicer HATES this, I understand.

Trump especialy hates that Spicer was lampooned by a female. There was another sketch the week after this, I'll post a link if i can find it

[Hibs Class]

Trump especialy hates that Spicer was lampooned by a female. There was another sketch the week after this, I'll post a link if i can find it

This should be it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbhz3XcNzGU

[Colr]

Trump especialy hates that Spicer was lampooned by a female. There was another sketch the week after this, I'll post a link if i can find it

Rumour is that Rosie O' Donnell is going to do Bannan!

[Holmesdale Hibs]

I heard an interesting stat on the news another day from an American analyst: apparently during the election campaign Trump received 95% negative news coverage and Clinton received 90% positive. If true, and even if most of it was deserved, such a bias must be unprecedented in any western democracy.

Same guy had another stat that the media is even less trusted than Trump (45% vs 42% so it's close).

Trump likes the attention and it's good his polling so he won't change.

[RyeSloan]

I heard an interesting stat on the news another day from an American analyst: apparently during the election campaign Trump received 95% negative news coverage and Clinton received 90% positive. If true, and even if most of it was deserved, such a bias must be unprecedented in any western democracy.

Same guy had another stat that the media is even less trusted than Trump (45% vs 42% so it's close).

Trump likes the attention and it's good his polling so he won't change.

Sounds like a load of bull to me...for no other reason than the amount of negative press Hilary got on her email troubles.

[Hibbyradge]

Sounds like a load of bull to me...for no other reason than the amount of negative press Hilary got on her email troubles.

Agreed. Those stats are mince. Bigly.

[Colr]

I heard an interesting stat on the news another day from an American analyst: apparently during the election campaign Trump received 95% negative news coverage and Clinton received 90% positive. If true, and even if most of it was deserved, such a bias must be unprecedented in any western democracy.

Same guy had another stat that the media is even less trusted than Trump (45% vs 42% so it's close).

Trump likes the attention and it's good his polling so he won't change.
I recall when the press were giving Ed Milliband a particularly unfair tide, his poll ratings went up. I don't think the public like to see people picked on by the press.

[Holmesdale Hibs]

Agreed. Those stats are mince. Bigly.

Have just googled this, and yes they are BS, which strangely supports his other point that people don't trust the media: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/07/donald-trump-was-right-he-got-incredibly-negative-press-coverage/

There's a plot half way down that suggests he quoted the min/max for Trump's range (maybe from around the time the video on the bus came out). Not sure where Clinton's comes from.

Point remains that amount of negative coverage was unusual and maybe even unprecedented.

[RyeSloan]

Point remains that amount of negative coverage was unusual and maybe even unprecedented.

Maybe the case but maybe also the case that it was totally warranted!

Also he clearly set an antagonistic tone so almost set out to ensure his coverage was negative...he simply used that as further proof of how he was a the only candidate that could take on the vested interests.

Trump may actually be the first ever candidate that actively sought negative coverage to boost his campaign!

[Holmesdale Hibs]

Maybe the case but maybe also the case that it was totally warranted!

Also he clearly set an antagonistic tone so almost set out to ensure his coverage was negative...he simply used that as further proof of how he was a the only candidate that could take on the vested interests.

Trump may actually be the first ever candidate that actively sought negative coverage to boost his campaign!

I agree, simply reporting facts is a negative news story for him and even Alistair Campbell couldn't spin some of the stuff he said any other way.

I wasn't suggesting it was unwarranted, just don't see the need to state my disapproval of him in every post. My point was that I have never seen the media and public so out of sync.

[JackLadd]

GWB calling for answers http://news.sky.com/story/george-w-bush-we-all-need-answers-on-trump-russia-links-10784319


Election should be voided imo.

[grunt]

The Republicans believe him

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5oSSGfXQAE2o4e.jpg:large

[Hibrandenburg]

GWB calling for answers http://news.sky.com/story/george-w-bush-we-all-need-answers-on-trump-russia-links-10784319


Election should be voided imo.

God it must be sad when a gibbering idiot like Bush is the voice of sanity.

[makaveli1875]

GWB calling for answers http://news.sky.com/story/george-w-bush-we-all-need-answers-on-trump-russia-links-10784319


Election should be voided imo.

its just sour grapes from dubya because trump ruined the bush dynastys dream of another 4 years in the white house

[northstandhibby]

God it must be sad when a gibbering idiot like Bush is the voice of sanity.

Totally agree. Trump is increasingly appearing as if he is attempting to undermine well established world order institutions such as NATO and the WTO among others. It's exactly this type of rabid nationalism and potential tearing up of supra national world order agreements that Putin seeks. Very dangerous times unless Trump is reined in or replaced.

glory glory

[Hibs Class]

its just sour grapes from dubya because trump ruined the bush dynastys dream of another 4 years in the white house

I doubt that even the most rabid Trump fan would believe that nonsense.

[Jim44]

Totally agree. Trump is increasingly appearing as if he is attempting to undermine well established world order institutions such as NATO and the WTO among others. It's exactly this type of rabid nationalism and potential tearing up of supra national world order agreements that Putin seeks. Very dangerous times unless Trump is reined in or replaced.

glory glory

Your right. Putin will be overdosing on popcorn these days.

[(((Fergus)))]

Dow Jones index

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C514g3fWQAY-hH2.jpg

[(((Fergus)))]

President Trump’s Speech Last Night (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/157865134106/president-trumps-speech-last-night)

Posted March 1st, 2017 @ 9:51am (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/157865134106/president-trumps-speech-last-night) in #Trump (http://blog.dilbert.com/tagged/Trump) #WhenHub (http://blog.dilbert.com/tagged/WhenHub)
I didn’t see President Trump’s entire speech last night. I’m catching up this morning. Looks to me as if it was a base-clearing home run. Even Democrats are having trouble criticizing it. Surveys are positive. Stock market is up. CNN’s most credible anti-Trumper, Van Jones, said Trump was presidential (http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2F news%2Fthe-fix%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F28%2Ftrump-critic-van-jones-one-of-the-most-extraordinary-moments-you-have-ever-seen-in-american-politics-period%2F%3Futm_term%3D.e4a39773324d&t=YzIxZGQ3NDM2NmEyYTNlNDRjM2I1NzU5NWU5MjkxOWEzYWM5 ZDA1MixDcUR1UThoTw%3D%3D&b=t%3ATA_nNgSP4kCXBxItG5afUg&p=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.dilbert.com%2Fpost%2F157865134 106%2Fpresident-trumps-speech-last-night&m=1), in a good way. Don Lemon got triggered into cognitive dissonance (http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realclearpolitics.com% 2Fvideo%2F2017%2F03%2F01%2Fdon_lemon_trump_sounded _like_he_didnt_know_meaning_of_the_words_used_big_ words_to_impress.html&t=NTIyYjk0OTk3ZDI4ODVmMzMwNjcyNjAzNGE4MTk4MGEyYjVm MGYxMyxDcUR1UThoTw%3D%3D&b=t%3ATA_nNgSP4kCXBxItG5afUg&p=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.dilbert.com%2Fpost%2F157865134 106%2Fpresident-trumps-speech-last-night&m=1), hypothesizing that Trump’s presidential words don’t match his off-stage personality. In other words, it was a speech.

Trump pulled a Khan maneuver. You remember when Clinton invited the Khan family to talk about their fallen hero son while criticizing Trump. Trump fell for that trap by responding to it, which allowed his critics to frame him as disrespectful to a Gold Star family.

Last night, President Trump returned the favor. He wrapped part of his message around honoring a fallen hero. You can’t criticize any part of that without seeming disrespectful. And persuasion-wise, saying Ryan Owen’s memory is “etched into eternity” is one of the great presidential lines of all time. Simple and perfect. And thanks to President Trump’s speech, Ryan Owen’s name is in fact etched into eternity. The President predicted it, then he literally made it happen, right in front of us, without taking the focus off of Ryan. That’s as good as it gets.

Trump did a High Ground Maneuver by referring to many of the criticisms of his administration as “trivial.” Now the people who keep making such criticisms are defining themselves to be in the unimportant part of the conversation. That is super-strong persuasion that I think most people missed. It’s a trap. Wait for more “trivial” criticisms, with the President’s supporters calling them out as they happen. It will make the critics look small and unimportant.

Trump apparently opened his speech (I missed that part) by speaking out against some recent hate crimes in the United States. By putting that topic first, he made it a top priority, if only in our minds. That was the not-Hitler moment the world was hoping to see. I told you in prior posts and tweets that by this summer Trump would move the national consciousness from the illusion that he is Hitler to the opinion that his administration is not competent. By the end of the year, the critics will be saying some version of this: “Okay, he gets a lot done, and he isn’t Hitler, but we still don’t like it.” That story arc looks as if it accelerated last night, but I expect lots more Hitler talk before summer. Last night was big for the President, but only a first step toward improving his brand.

Other fresh news (http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2F local%2Feducation%2Ftrump-moves-program-on-historically-black-colleges-into-the-white-house%2F2017%2F02%2F28%2F64acd09c-fe04-11e6-8f41-ea6ed597e4ca_story.html%3Futm_term%3D.69c0d02aadcd&t=ZjU5MjNiZWNmZmI0NzlmNDQxMDI3OTE2NGY1ZDRjOTg3Zjc3 NTVjOSxDcUR1UThoTw%3D%3D&b=t%3ATA_nNgSP4kCXBxItG5afUg&p=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.dilbert.com%2Fpost%2F157865134 106%2Fpresident-trumps-speech-last-night&m=1) tells us the Trump Administration is going to work more closely with black colleges to help them succeed. That isn’t quite the plan I blogged about (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/157533827741/persuasion-advice-for-african-americans), in which the country moves toward free college for all and puts African-Americans in the first wave because you get the most bang for the buck by helping first the communities that need it most. This was good pre-suasion from Trump ahead of the speech because it put observers in a non-Hitler frame of mind.

Persuasion-wise, if your opponents are hitting you with the professionally-engineered pre-suasion of “dark” as the label for everything you say, the best response is to do something positive for African-Americans. Then let your critics call your plans “dark.” How’s that sound to your ear?

If Trump maintains a constructive engagement with the black community, and continues to talk about unity, while his critics call him “dark,” who wins the persuasion? Trump’s critics might accidentally turn him into the third black president. (Counting Bill Clinton as first.) That’s obviously a big stretch, but you didn’t think he would get elected president either. Four years is a lot of time for a Master Persuader.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/157865134106/president-trumps-speech-last-night

[CapitalGreen]

President Trump’s Speech Last Night (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/157865134106/president-trumps-speech-last-night)

Posted March 1st, 2017 @ 9:51am (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/157865134106/president-trumps-speech-last-night) in #Trump (http://blog.dilbert.com/tagged/Trump) #WhenHub (http://blog.dilbert.com/tagged/WhenHub)
I didn’t see President Trump’s entire speech last night. I’m catching up this morning. Looks to me as if it was a base-clearing home run. Even Democrats are having trouble criticizing it. Surveys are positive. Stock market is up. CNN’s most credible anti-Trumper, Van Jones, said Trump was presidential (http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2F news%2Fthe-fix%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F28%2Ftrump-critic-van-jones-one-of-the-most-extraordinary-moments-you-have-ever-seen-in-american-politics-period%2F%3Futm_term%3D.e4a39773324d&t=YzIxZGQ3NDM2NmEyYTNlNDRjM2I1NzU5NWU5MjkxOWEzYWM5 ZDA1MixDcUR1UThoTw%3D%3D&b=t%3ATA_nNgSP4kCXBxItG5afUg&p=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.dilbert.com%2Fpost%2F157865134 106%2Fpresident-trumps-speech-last-night&m=1), in a good way. Don Lemon got triggered into cognitive dissonance (http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realclearpolitics.com% 2Fvideo%2F2017%2F03%2F01%2Fdon_lemon_trump_sounded _like_he_didnt_know_meaning_of_the_words_used_big_ words_to_impress.html&t=NTIyYjk0OTk3ZDI4ODVmMzMwNjcyNjAzNGE4MTk4MGEyYjVm MGYxMyxDcUR1UThoTw%3D%3D&b=t%3ATA_nNgSP4kCXBxItG5afUg&p=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.dilbert.com%2Fpost%2F157865134 106%2Fpresident-trumps-speech-last-night&m=1), hypothesizing that Trump’s presidential words don’t match his off-stage personality. In other words, it was a speech.

Trump pulled a Khan maneuver. You remember when Clinton invited the Khan family to talk about their fallen hero son while criticizing Trump. Trump fell for that trap by responding to it, which allowed his critics to frame him as disrespectful to a Gold Star family.

Last night, President Trump returned the favor. He wrapped part of his message around honoring a fallen hero. You can’t criticize any part of that without seeming disrespectful. And persuasion-wise, saying Ryan Owen’s memory is “etched into eternity” is one of the great presidential lines of all time. Simple and perfect. And thanks to President Trump’s speech, Ryan Owen’s name is in fact etched into eternity. The President predicted it, then he literally made it happen, right in front of us, without taking the focus off of Ryan. That’s as good as it gets.

Trump did a High Ground Maneuver by referring to many of the criticisms of his administration as “trivial.” Now the people who keep making such criticisms are defining themselves to be in the unimportant part of the conversation. That is super-strong persuasion that I think most people missed. It’s a trap. Wait for more “trivial” criticisms, with the President’s supporters calling them out as they happen. It will make the critics look small and unimportant.

Trump apparently opened his speech (I missed that part) by speaking out against some recent hate crimes in the United States. By putting that topic first, he made it a top priority, if only in our minds. That was the not-Hitler moment the world was hoping to see. I told you in prior posts and tweets that by this summer Trump would move the national consciousness from the illusion that he is Hitler to the opinion that his administration is not competent. By the end of the year, the critics will be saying some version of this: “Okay, he gets a lot done, and he isn’t Hitler, but we still don’t like it.” That story arc looks as if it accelerated last night, but I expect lots more Hitler talk before summer. Last night was big for the President, but only a first step toward improving his brand.

Other fresh news (http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2F local%2Feducation%2Ftrump-moves-program-on-historically-black-colleges-into-the-white-house%2F2017%2F02%2F28%2F64acd09c-fe04-11e6-8f41-ea6ed597e4ca_story.html%3Futm_term%3D.69c0d02aadcd&t=ZjU5MjNiZWNmZmI0NzlmNDQxMDI3OTE2NGY1ZDRjOTg3Zjc3 NTVjOSxDcUR1UThoTw%3D%3D&b=t%3ATA_nNgSP4kCXBxItG5afUg&p=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.dilbert.com%2Fpost%2F157865134 106%2Fpresident-trumps-speech-last-night&m=1) tells us the Trump Administration is going to work more closely with black colleges to help them succeed. That isn’t quite the plan I blogged about (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/157533827741/persuasion-advice-for-african-americans), in which the country moves toward free college for all and puts African-Americans in the first wave because you get the most bang for the buck by helping first the communities that need it most. This was good pre-suasion from Trump ahead of the speech because it put observers in a non-Hitler frame of mind.

Persuasion-wise, if your opponents are hitting you with the professionally-engineered pre-suasion of “dark” as the label for everything you say, the best response is to do something positive for African-Americans. Then let your critics call your plans “dark.” How’s that sound to your ear?

If Trump maintains a constructive engagement with the black community, and continues to talk about unity, while his critics call him “dark,” who wins the persuasion? Trump’s critics might accidentally turn him into the third black president. (Counting Bill Clinton as first.) That’s obviously a big stretch, but you didn’t think he would get elected president either. Four years is a lot of time for a Master Persuader.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/157865134106/president-trumps-speech-last-night

Do you have an opinion of your own or do you just copy and paste other people's?

[northstandhibby]

Seems European countries are becoming more nervous and spending more on their defenses in light of Trump's remarks on Nato. This article explains why they are becoming ever more nervous of Russian warmongering. Nato is more relevant than ever methinks in these uncertain times.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/troubled-waters-norway-keeps-watch-on-russias-arctic-manoeuvres/ar-AAogmry

glory glory

[Hibernia&Alba]

One of his central campaign promises - the repeal of Obamacare - falls at the first hurdle. Unable to win a vote in the House of Representatives, Trump pulls the plug, meaning Obamacare stays.
Muslim ban going through the courts after it was blocked.
It's all gone quiet on the Mexican border wall.
Government appointees blocked by congress.
Hillary Clinton not going to jail.
Crazy false accusations from Trump about Obama wiretapping him.
Forced to retract accusations of media cover ups of terrorist attacks that actually never happened.
Investigation into Trump's dealings with Russia during the presidential campaign.


It's the shambles we knew it would be, and were only three months in.

[ACLeith]

One of his central campaign promises - the repeal of Obamacare - falls at the first hurdle. Unable to win a vote in the House of Representatives, Trump pulls the plug, meaning Obamacare stays.
Muslim ban going through the courts after it was blocked.
It's all gone quiet on the Mexican border wall.
Government appointees blocked by congress.
Hillary Clinton not going to jail.
Crazy false accusations from Trump about Obama wiretapping him.
Forced to retract accusations of media cover ups of terrorist attacks that actually never happened.
Investigation into Trump's dealings with Russia during the presidential campaign.


It's the shambles we knew it would be, and were only three months in.
But apart from that he's doing OK? 😀😀

I think your last point could be the one to pull him down. Watergate #2? Though any evidence that he knew of the involvement and covered it up may well have been "lost".

[RyeSloan]

One of his central campaign promises - the repeal of Obamacare - falls at the first hurdle. Unable to win a vote in the House of Representatives, Trump pulls the plug, meaning Obamacare stays.
Muslim ban going through the courts after it was blocked.
It's all gone quiet on the Mexican border wall.
Government appointees blocked by congress.
Hillary Clinton not going to jail.
Crazy false accusations from Trump about Obama wiretapping him.
Forced to retract accusations of media cover ups of terrorist attacks that actually never happened.
Investigation into Trump's dealings with Russia during the presidential campaign.


It's the shambles we knew it would be, and were only three months in.

Mostly very true apart from the wall....tenders for the design are progressing on a short time scale so I reckon this is one thing we will see some progress on. Not exactly anything to crow about of course!

[Hibs Class]

Mostly very true apart from the wall....tenders for the design are progressing on a short time scale so I reckon this is one thing we will see some progress on. Not exactly anything to crow about of course!

I heard that the tendering was underway, but is funding in place?

[RyeSloan]

I heard that the tendering was underway, but is funding in place?

Don't follow it that closely but pretty sure there is some initial billions allocated so don't think he will have trouble starting...whether the folly ever gets finished though who knows!

[snooky]

How do I buy shares in the "San Diego Brick & Concrete Company"?

[Pretty Boy]

Executive order signed today to suspend 6 of Obamas climate change policies.

Oh good.

[Bristolhibby]

Today was terrible news. Climate change is the greatest threat to humanity and civilisation. And this clown just signed it all aaay for $$$$.

J

[RyeSloan]

Executive order signed today to suspend 6 of Obamas climate change policies.

Oh good.

The States really is an odd place...Trump has struck down a number of policies, some of which like the Clean Power Plan are not even fully enacted as they are stuck in the courts.

I think this means this will prevent the plan being cancelled before it's enacted and if sanctioned by the courts will only then be subject to Trumps cancellation which will be challenged in court before it can be applied...all of this sounds like it could take a few years by which time the next president might try and cancel that cancellation but will need to wait on the courts to tell him if it's even been cancelled?🤣

Anyway the US regulations sound like a right royal mess (no surprise considering the above) so not sure if this makes that much difference in the long run. I think we will need to rely on guys like Musk to deliver the technological game changers that will make all the presidents meddling obsolete anyway.

[Colr]

The States really is an odd place...Trump has struck down a number of policies, some of which like the Clean Power Plan are not even fully enacted as they are stuck in the courts.

I think this means this will prevent the plan being cancelled before it's enacted and if sanctioned by the courts will only then be subject to Trumps cancellation which will be challenged in court before it can be applied...all of this sounds like it could take a few years by which time the next president might try and cancel that cancellation but will need to wait on the courts to tell him if it's even been cancelled?🤣

Anyway the US regulations sound like a right royal mess (no surprise considering the above) so not sure if this makes that much difference in the long run. I think we will need to rely on guys like Musk to deliver the technological game changers that will make all the presidents meddling obsolete anyway.

Sounds like Trump is using his time productively!

[Hibernia&Alba]

Executive order signed today to suspend 6 of Obamas climate change policies.

Oh good.

Already announced huge cut (around a third if memory serves) to the budget of the Environmental Protection Agency in his recent budget plan, too.

[Hibernia&Alba]

General Mike Flynn has offered to testify what he knows about Trump's pre-election dealing with Russia, in exchange for immunity from prosecution. So far he's told to bolt by the FBI. :greengrin


Lock him up. Lock him up :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

Mike Flynn indicates he would testify in Trump-Russia inquiry in exchange for immunity

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/30/michael-flynn-trump-russia-investigation-testify-immunity?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

[NYHibby]

If you saw any pictures of Trump's 100 day rally, that is the arena where I used to watch indoor soccer back in the 90s.

[Just Alf]

So... Trump sacks the guy heading up the investigation into his party's possible links to Russia and on top of that a reporter's been arrested for continuing to ask questions regarding the health care changes because they weren't getting answered.

Sounds more and more ominous :-/



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[ChicagoHibee]

Seems European countries are becoming more nervous and spending more on their defenses in light of Trump's remarks on Nato. This article explains why they are becoming ever more nervous of Russian warmongering. Nato is more relevant than ever methinks in these uncertain times.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/troubled-waters-norway-keeps-watch-on-russias-arctic-manoeuvres/ar-AAogmry

glory glory

Good. It is about damn time.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Discussing state secrets with the Russians in the Oval Office one day; revelations he told the FBI Director he sacked to drop the investigation into his ties with Russia the next. Never a dull moment with the Donald :greengrin

[wpj]

Let's not forget that while this circus is happening he is still signing off various controversial policies while the headlines focus on Russia. Sad, very sad

[Hibernia&Alba]

Let's not forget that while this circus is happening he is still signing off various controversial policies while the headlines focus on Russia. Sad, very sad

Only 24 million Americans will lose health coverage under Trump's plan. Nothing to worry about.

[marinello59]

The difference between the coverage of all this on Fox and the other news channels is staggering. Fox ran with "Liberals in Meltdown" for a couple of hours last night.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The difference between the coverage of all this on Fox and the other news channels is staggering. Fox ran with "Liberals in Meltdown" for a couple of hours last night.

Fox News, which academic studies in America have revealed makes viewers less informed the more they watch it.:greengrin

[Mikey]

The difference between the coverage of all this on Fox and the other news channels is staggering. Fox ran with "Liberals in Meltdown" for a couple of hours last night.

I watched Fox News for half an hour or so this morning and it was hilarious. I couldn't manage any more though so I'm back on CNN now.

Does anyone know what happens if he is impeached? Is there another election or does Pence step in?

[Beefster]

In his defence, his presidency is highly entertaining in a car-crashy type way.

New documentary on Netflix called 'Get Me Roger Stone' about one of his political 'gurus'. Interesting stuff if you like that sort of thing.

[Bristolhibby]

I watched Fox News for half an hour or so this morning and it was hilarious. I couldn't manage any more though so I'm back on CNN now.

Does anyone know what happens if he is impeached? Is there another election or does Pence step in?

Sadly I believe it's Pence that steps in. Obviously his first act will be to pardon Trump much in the same way Ford pardoned Nixon.

[mmmmhibby]

For the conspiracy theorists. Piece from independent yesterday.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/seth-rich-who-is-he-wikileaks-murder-hillary-clinton-conspiracy-explained-a7739606.html

[NYHibby]

So an old acquaintance of mine was working as one of Trump's political commissars. I recently heard that he got fired because he was refusing to let Mitch McConnell's wife (the secretary of transportation) send any outgoing mail. He was collecting it and leaving it pile up in some room.

[NYHibby]

Sadly I believe it's Pence that steps in. Obviously his first act will be to pardon Trump much in the same way Ford pardoned Nixon.

Procedurally Pence would succeed Trump and serve the rest of his term. However, I think the reason why Trump resigns/is removed from office will dictate who actually would replace Trump. If Trump leaves office because of Russia and the election, as opposed to something like obstruction of justice, I could see that tainting Pence's legitimacy as president as well. It may make sense for the GOP to start with a relatively clean slate rather than have the spectre of a tainted election hanging over them. You'd broker a deal with Pence and make someone like Ryan President.

[Hibs Class]

Speaking at a coastguard ceremony today Trump said:

"Look at the way I’ve been treated lately . . . especially by the media,” Trump said, while talking about overcoming adversity. “No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.”

Guess he hasn't heard of Mandela, Lincoln, Kennedy, etc.

[High-On-Hibs]

Speaking at a coastguard ceremony today Trump said:

"Look at the way I’ve been treated lately . . . especially by the media,” Trump said, while talking about overcoming adversity. “No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.”

Guess he hasn't heard of Mandela, Lincoln, Kennedy, etc.


You'd think he'd been shot in the head twice. :agree:

[marinello59]

The justice department have now named a special counsel to take charge of the Russia investigation. More high drama.

[Hibs Class]

The justice department have now named a special counsel to take charge of the Russia investigation. More high drama.

A former FBI head. He must at least have a view on how Comey was treated. The appointment seems to have taken a few people by surprise.

[Wembley67]

All this ***** certainly isn't helping the markets... Idiot that he is!

[wpj]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/donald-trump-visit-ancient-israel-fortress-masada-because-cannot-land-helicopter-a7743291.html

The ego has landed (or not in this case)

[Radium]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170521/50a19e39503b997394da92ede04d0f15.jpg

Not the usual photo op


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[snooky]

From beeb webpage
Trump to Muslims, "'Drive extremists out"

I was just waiting for one of them to open a car door for him. :wink:

[Bishop Hibee]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170521/50a19e39503b997394da92ede04d0f15.jpg

Not the usual photo op


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Quite possibly the most bizarre photo I have ever seen. If that's a Van de Graaff generator then I hope there's an after photo of his hair :greengrin

[snooky]

Quite possibly the most bizarre photo I have ever seen. If that's a Van de Graaff generator then I hope there's an after photo of his hair :greengrin

With the caption "DT phone home"

[stoneyburn hibs]

With the caption "DT phone home"

Brilliant!

[Hibernia&Alba]

Brilliant :faf:



https://youtu.be/eFOyCwCRTgw

[snooky]

Brilliant :faf:



https://youtu.be/eFOyCwCRTgw

I sometimes wonder if the 'ceremonial' dances are a set up to make the guest look a complete and utter wally.
If so, it works.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The trump budget will hurt his core vote - poor, white, rural Americans.


https://youtu.be/uo_u2sCTPI0

[Colr]

The trump budget will hurt his core vote - poor, white, rural Americans

There's a surprise.

[Saturday Boy]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170521/50a19e39503b997394da92ede04d0f15.jpg

Not the usual photo op


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I often wondered what happened to the orb from Woody Allen's movie Sleeper. Now I know.

[Hibernia&Alba]

America leaving the Paris Agreement on climate change is disastrous. Trump is surrounded by climate change denying lunatics. It's a brazen policy of profit before planet, which is also going to do great harm to America.

[Moulin Yarns]

Janey Godley got it right

https://janeygodley.com/2016/06/28/welcomed-trump-scotland/

[Sylar]

America leaving the Paris Agreement on climate change is disastrous. Trump is surrounded by climate change denying lunatics. It's a brazen policy of profit before planet, which is also going to do great harm to America.

As an environmental scientist active in climate research, the rage I feel toward him and his "advisors" is impalpable.

I did find it encouraging to see various State governors come out yesterday and effectively say "**** you" to him, announcing they would continue to pursue their own initiatives to ensure the Paris agreement is upheld...probably until he fires them or otherwise silences them...

The man is a cancer and he must be removed from office before he destroys the planet, one way or t'other.

[Just Alf]

America leaving the Paris Agreement on climate change is disastrous. Trump is surrounded by climate change denying lunatics. It's a brazen policy of profit before planet, which is also going to do great harm to America.

To add insult to injury I've just spotted he's also withdrawing the States from paying into the UN fund set up to help poorer countries deal with climate change, so he's happy to have helped cause the problem (continue to) but not happy to help those impacted.

[johnbc70]

I know this will be unpopular, but is he not doing what he said he would do? He said America first, he rightly or wrongly thinks it's a bad deal for America so has pulled out.

[easty]

I know this will be unpopular, but is he not doing what he said he would do? He said America first, he rightly or wrongly thinks it's a bad deal for America so has pulled out.

As well as the fact that he says he wants to renogotiate the deal, but other leaders are saying there won't be any renegotiations. Why can't a new deal be sorted out that will include America? Surely a new deal is better than America just pulling out completely?

[grunt]

As well as the fact that he says he wants to renogotiate the deal, but other leaders are saying there won't be any renegotiations. Why can't a new deal be sorted out that will include America? Surely a new deal is better than America just pulling out completely?

There is no "deal" with the Paris accord. It's a voluntary initiative whereby countries commit to trying to reduce carbon emissions. The man's a blithering idiot.


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[Mantis Toboggan]

There is no "deal" with the Paris accord. It's a voluntary initiative whereby countries commit to trying to reduce carbon emissions. The man's a blithering idiot.


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He has no idea what he is talking about. His private secretaries should be at least making it look like he does. Incompetence all round.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

As an environmental scientist active in climate research, the rage I feel toward him and his "advisors" is impalpable.

I did find it encouraging to see various State governors come out yesterday and effectively say "**** you" to him, announcing they would continue to pursue their own initiatives to ensure the Paris agreement is upheld...probably until he fires them or otherwise silences them...

The man is a cancer and he must be removed from office before he destroys the planet, one way or t'other.

I was thinking about this, but its not an area that i know a lot about.

Is there a chance that in a funny way, Trump doing this might help the issue as it has raised the profile hugely across the world (and in the states), and that it migjt galvanise local, city and state authorities to act anyway, in a way they might not have without this furore?

Or am i clutching at straws...?!

[Just Alf]

I was thinking about this, but its not an area that i know a lot about.

Is there a chance that in a funny way, Trump doing this might help the issue as it has raised the profile hugely across the world (and in the states), and that it migjt galvanise local, city and state authorities to act anyway, in a way they might not have without this furore?

Or am i clutching at straws...?!

I wondered that as well...

Going quickly back to following through on his promises, I think many thought that once in power with all the real information to hand he'd change direction, maybe diverting additional support to the coal producing areas helping them modernise into new industries.

[Hibs Class]

Trump has stepped up his twitter onslaught in the last couple of days, making himself look increasingly irrational especially with his tweets on London attacks, the London mayor and Trump's planned travel ban.

[RyeSloan]

I was thinking about this, but its not an area that i know a lot about.

Is there a chance that in a funny way, Trump doing this might help the issue as it has raised the profile hugely across the world (and in the states), and that it migjt galvanise local, city and state authorities to act anyway, in a way they might not have without this furore?

Or am i clutching at straws...?!

No I don't think you are. There are a few things to consider:

1) A lot of the change of direction on the climate is at state level in the US, this decision doesn't impact their programmes directly or in the short / medium term

2) Economics trumps Trump. The technological advances that are the driving force towards distributed generation and time shift storage are well and truly underway. These are driving down prices and attracting huge investment. Trumps decision does nothing to change this

3) Related to 2) but really the Paris agreement is just a lot of stated aims and non binding targets...you could say it's a lot of waffle when in the real world companies are busy investing capital. Politicians always think they set the direction when really they are simply reacting to what's already happening.

Ultimately solar and wind are plummeting in price, lith and van-redox are changing the game in storage, tesla and big auto are investing billions in full electric etc etc so while the US might no longer be leading on the political stage their companies and those in the rest of the world are. Add in huge Chinese support and I think this announcement while not welcome actually doesn't really matter hugely for the (hopefully) short time Trump will be around.

[Mikey]

Trump has stepped up his twitter onslaught in the last couple of days, making himself look increasingly irrational especially with his tweets on London attacks, the London mayor and Trump's planned travel ban.

Yep, looks like he's decided he's going to troll Sadiq Khan.

[snooky]

Trump reminds me of a powerful Fire Brigade hosepipe that is snaking wildly all over the place skooshing out water with loads of folk trying to grab it and get it under control.
Actually, he's probably worse than that.

[Colr]

Yep, looks like he's decided he's going to troll Sadiq Khan.

Way to stand shoulder to shoulder, the ******g blockhead!

[Hibrandenburg]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/11/donald-trump-state-visit-to-britain-put-on-hold

:greengrin

[Hibs Class]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/11/donald-trump-state-visit-to-britain-put-on-hold

:greengrin

"Put on hold" says the headline, but if the story is true then it will never happen.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The Donald admits he is under formal investigation for possible obstruction of justice, in relation to the Russian hacking issue.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40306917

[BS44]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40692709

[Betty Boop]

He'll be gone before the end of the year.

[snooky]

Trump is dodging bullets - metaphorically speaking.

[hibsbollah]

His lowest point was that speech a couple of days ago to the Boy Scouts of America. Why is he still talking about the size of his inauguration crowd? What a complete and total roaster. theres no doubt in my mind he's a jambo through and through.

[Future17]

Scaramucci. :greengrin

http://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/anthony-scaramucci-called-me-to-unload-about-white-house-leakers-reince-priebus-and-steve-bannon

[Just Alf]

Scaramucci. :greengrin

http://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/anthony-scaramucci-called-me-to-unload-about-white-house-leakers-reince-priebus-and-steve-bannonJeez... That administration seems to be a complete shambles, I'm actually surprised that many of Trumps followers haven't turned on him yet.... Is it just they don't believe what they are hearing?

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[Colr]

Scaramucci. :greengrin

http://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/anthony-scaramucci-called-me-to-unload-about-white-house-leakers-reince-priebus-and-steve-bannon

The kind of willy waving bully who does very well in business by ****ting on everyone else. Not a good personality for politics, though.

[Mikey]

Reince Priebus fired.

[lord bunberry]

Reince Priebus fired.
Just watching this on newsnight. What a shambles.

[Colr]

Wish we could get SNL here!

[Hibs Class]

Scaramucci apparently gone, after only ten days in post

[Bristolhibby]

🍿

[Colr]

Scaramucci apparently gone, after only ten days in post

He was a ****ing nutter

[Colr]

http://amp.nationalreview.com/article/449988/donald-trump-cant-close-deal-failing-salesman?utm_source=PANTHEON_STRIPPED&utm_medium=PANTHEON_STRIPPED&utm_campaign=PANTHEON_STRIPPED

[silverhibee]

Fae Donald.

Nuclear war fears as Donald Trump threatens North Korea with 'fire and fury like the world has never seen'

[snooky]

Fae Donald.

Nuclear war fears as Donald Trump threatens North Korea with 'fire and fury like the world has never seen'

Two absolute nutters face to face - what more could we ask for? :rolleyes:

[steakbake]

Fae Donald.

Nuclear war fears as Donald Trump threatens North Korea with 'fire and fury like the world has never seen'

The ars***les in London will be scurrying around hoping we can get in on this one. The recent election and the insistence of some politicians that they're up for a "strike first" nuclear policy was a very worrying departure from a doctrine which has kept us all largely safe for the past 70 or so years.

Yet all the attention was on the guy who said he'd be reluctant to fire them.

[Sylar]

North Korea respond by threatening to strike Guam.

I know we've had rhetoric and sabre rattling from the North Koreans for years, but this feels like it's escalating well beyond that!

[Hibee87]

North Korea respond by threatening to strike Guam.

I know we've had rhetoric and sabre rattling from the North Koreans for years, but this feels like it's escalating well beyond that!

If the north fired any sort of missile towards guam, would there be a north korea left?

I would assume with it being a bit of a millitary base for the US they would have sufficient anti missile defences in place and as soon as it was in the air/destroyed in the air the koreans would be blasted to smithereens. I really dont see how or what the north can achieve from anything they are doing other than the death of many of its people, including the mental dictators.

[Sylar]

If the north fired any sort of missile towards guam, would there be a north korea left?

I would assume with it being a bit of a millitary base for the US they would have sufficient anti missile defences in place and as soon as it was in the air/destroyed in the air the koreans would be blasted to smithereens. I really dont see how or what the north can achieve from anything they are doing other than the death of many of its people, including the mental dictators.

:agree:

If they strike first (especially if they attempt to use a nuclear warhead, which recent reports suggest they may have), then you're right. And if NK attack first, there's no way China could stand in the way of American retaliation.

China have a big role to play here as the North's only ally, and they need to be unequivocal in their condemnation of current rhetoric.

[hibsbollah]

There is no real evidence, except from unspecified concerns from American and Japanese intelligence agencies, that the NK has developed the capability to fire a long distance missile capable of hitting the US. Far less the technical ability to have a warhead attached. I'm very sceptical that this is going to be anymore than the usual aggressive verbals. My main concern is why the danger and rhetoric is being talked up. Who's to benefit? Just calm the **** down.

Seoul or Tokyo doesn't want a preemptive strike, and while of course while no one really knows what the North wants, they are not the lunatics that the caricatures would have you believe. Trump is a businessman and he knows two of the world's richest cities in flames won't help his bottom line. No one really wants war. I think.

[BroxburnHibee]

There is no real evidence, except from unspecified concerns from American and Japanese intelligence agencies, that the NK has developed the capability to fire a long distance missile capable of hitting the US. Far less the technical ability to have a warhead attached. I'm very sceptical that this is going to be anymore than the usual aggressive verbals. My main concern is why the danger and rhetoric is being talked up. Who's to benefit? Just calm the **** down.

Seoul or Tokyo doesn't want a preemptive strike, and while of course while no one really knows what the North wants, they are not the lunatics that the caricatures would have you believe. Trump is a businessman and he knows two of the world's richest cities in flames won't help his bottom line. No one really wants war. I think.

Agreed. Personally I think it's all a shakedown.

I'm pretty sure Trump knows that too. I'd imagine a pay off is what they're after.

[Hibs Class]

There is no real evidence, except from unspecified concerns from American and Japanese intelligence agencies, that the NK has developed the capability to fire a long distance missile capable of hitting the US. Far less the technical ability to have a warhead attached. I'm very sceptical that this is going to be anymore than the usual aggressive verbals. My main concern is why the danger and rhetoric is being talked up. Who's to benefit? Just calm the **** down.

Seoul or Tokyo doesn't want a preemptive strike, and while of course while no one really knows what the North wants, they are not the lunatics that the caricatures would have you believe. Trump is a businessman and he knows two of the world's richest cities in flames won't help his bottom line. No one really wants war. I think.

I heard an interview last week in which the observation was made that although NK have made strides in their technology, even when they develop the capability to fire a missile and reach the US, for the time being it would be comparable to lobbing stones over a wall, and that will remain the case until they develop a reliable long range guidance. If that's true then I'm not sure they would have the capability right now to actually hit Guam.

[hibsbollah]

I heard an interview last week in which the observation was made that although NK have made strides in their technology, even when they develop the capability to fire a missile and reach the US, for the time being it would be comparable to lobbing stones over a wall, and that will remain the case until they develop a reliable long range guidance. If that's true then I'm not sure they would have the capability right now to actually hit Guam.

If it was the guy from Janes Defence Weekly I think I heard the same interview. They are four or five years away from having that capability. And of course every one of their neighbours (Russia China Japan South Korea and US submarines all along the coast) has nuclear weapons deployed and presumably targeted right at them. A fact which is not often discussed in the media. They are surrounded by countries who developed nuclear weapons before deciding to tell everyone else they were a bad thing. Which of course they are.

[SHODAN]

If these two lunatics go at it and our government "lend their support" to the Americans, there will be riots in this country.

[Hibbyradge]

No one really wants war. I think.

Steve Banning does. He believes in the "Fourth Turning", a theory that every 80 years or so, there needs to be an apocalyptic event. Check out some of the articles about it.

He also said that America at war in the South China Sea was inevitable.

[Hibrandenburg]

Steve Banning does. He believes in the "Fourth Turning", a theory that every 80 years or so, there needs to be an apocalyptic event. Check out some of the articles about it.

He also said that America at war in the South China Sea was inevitable.

Whilst the science behind the Fourth Turning theory can never be 100% the psychology behind it is sound. I don't think the authors were trying to condone major conflict, rather explain the ever recurring inevitably of it all.

[Hibbyradge]

Whilst the science behind the Fourth Turning theory can never be 100% the psychology behind it is sound.

Not everyone would agree.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/20/stephen-bannon-fourth-turning-generation-theory-215053

[Colr]

Doing the rounds
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=23X14HS4gLk

[Just Alf]

So now he's threatening to disband the government to stop them getting in the way :rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41020779

[Colr]

So now he's threatening to disband the government to stop them getting in the way :rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41020779

All he needs is a strange fire in the Capitol and some kind of left leaning patsy to pin it on and he can do that on the back of national emergency.

Now where I have I heard of something like that before.

[Robert87]

So now he's threatening to disband the government to stop them getting in the way :rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41020779

What's wrong with this guy? There is no chance for it. No matter what kind of lunatic it is - people won't let such thing to happen.

[Sylar]

North Korea have just detonated a 100KT hydrogen bomb, resulting in a 6.3 magnitude earthquake...

Be interesting to see how Trump, China and Japan respond to this.

I doubt more talks/sanctions will be an option this time around - the bomb was 5x the size of the one that levelled Nagasaki.

[Pretty Boy]

I'm confused as to what the North Koreans are trying to achieve. This can only end one way for them surely?

The heated rhetoric about attacking Guam, the missile fired over Japan and now this. Do they believe they can win (or more accurately not be the only loser in a war)? Given Beijings apparent cooling attitude towards them it looks like they would be going up against South Korea, Japan, the US and other NATO countries in isolation.

With Donald Trump in the other corner the whole situatiom makes me somewhat nervous. Two megalomaniacs facing each other down with nuclear warheads as the weapon of choice. That can't end well.

[Pete]

I'm confused as to what the North Koreans are trying to achieve. This can only end one way for them surely?

The heated rhetoric about attacking Guam, the missile fired over Japan and now this. Do they believe they can win (or more accurately not be the only loser in a war)? Given Beijings apparent cooling attitude towards them it looks like they would be going up against South Korea, Japan, the US and other NATO countries in isolation.

With Donald Trump in the other corner the whole situatiom makes me somewhat nervous. Two megalomaniacs facing each other down with nuclear warheads as the weapon of choice. That can't end well.

I've often asked myself that and tried looking at it from their point of view.

Maybe all they're doing is trying to reassure their people, and themselves that they can at least bargain with all these other countries who have nuclear warheads pointing in their direction...countries who are backed by an imperialist power who thinks it's the policeman of the world and has a habit of meddling in the affairs of countries who don't do things the way they like.

:dunno:

[Betty Boop]

I've often asked myself that and tried looking at it from their point of view.

Maybe all they're doing is trying to reassure their people, and themselves that they can at least bargain with all these other countries who have nuclear warheads pointing in their direction...countries who are backed by an imperialist power who thinks it's the policeman of the world and has a habit of meddling in the affairs of countries who don't do things the way they like.

:dunno:
:agree: After all its been proved that aggressive invasion, bombing of civilians, and backing 'moderate' terrorists has brought peace and prosperity across the Middle East.

[s.a.m]

I'm confused as to what the North Koreans are trying to achieve. This can only end one way for them surely?

The heated rhetoric about attacking Guam, the missile fired over Japan and now this. Do they believe they can win (or more accurately not be the only loser in a war)? Given Beijings apparent cooling attitude towards them it looks like they would be going up against South Korea, Japan, the US and other NATO countries in isolation.

With Donald Trump in the other corner the whole situatiom makes me somewhat nervous. Two megalomaniacs facing each other down with nuclear warheads as the weapon of choice. That can't end well.

I think you've nailed the answer yourself with the bit in bold. It's hubris coupled with face-saving, rather than rational policy. They believe their self-promoting, self-penned narrative to the extent that no other truth is apparent.

It's like an enactment of the legend of King Canute, basically.

[PeeJay]

I'm confused as to what the North Koreans are trying to achieve. This can only end one way for them surely?

The heated rhetoric about attacking Guam, the missile fired over Japan and now this. Do they believe they can win (or more accurately not be the only loser in a war)? Given Beijings apparent cooling attitude towards them it looks like they would be going up against South Korea, Japan, the US and other NATO countries in isolation.

With Donald Trump in the other corner the whole situatiom makes me somewhat nervous. Two megalomaniacs facing each other down with nuclear warheads as the weapon of choice. That can't end well.

It's not about North Korea trying to achieve anything: they can't "win" any war. I think, it's simply about Kim saying don't mess with North Korea and do not try to remove me from power, as in Libya, Iraq etc? He's basically trying to hold onto power - there is method in his "madness".

[Hibrandenburg]

I've often asked myself that and tried looking at it from their point of view.

Maybe all they're doing is trying to reassure their people, and themselves that they can at least bargain with all these other countries who have nuclear warheads pointing in their direction...countries who are backed by an imperialist power who thinks it's the policeman of the world and has a habit of meddling in the affairs of countries who don't do things the way they like.

:dunno:

I think you're close. The North Korean leader might look stupid but he's not. You don't have to look that far back in time to see what happens to rogue nations who have tried pacifying the US by playing along with their disarmament demands. The government are well aware that they're on the hit list with or without nukes so they might as well try and obtain the best nukes that they can.

[hibsbollah]

I'm confused as to what the North Koreans are trying to achieve. This can only end one way for them surely?

The heated rhetoric about attacking Guam, the missile fired over Japan and now this. Do they believe they can win (or more accurately not be the only loser in a war)? Given Beijings apparent cooling attitude towards them it looks like they would be going up against South Korea, Japan, the US and other NATO countries in isolation.

With Donald Trump in the other corner the whole situatiom makes me somewhat nervous. Two megalomaniacs facing each other down with nuclear warheads as the weapon of choice. That can't end well.

The North Koreans motivation isn't discussed often enough. They want to retain their Stalinist dictatorship of power. They know the US dont want North Korea to continue as a Stalinist dictatorship. A peace treaty has never been signed since the end of the Korean war. They are surrounded by 4 hostile powers who are all armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons. The UN has imposed the toughest sanctions possible which is making the country poorer by the day. The US and the South are carrying out military ops right on the border, dropping propaganda leaflets from the air and blasting audio across the DMZ, and exercises simulating a decapitation strategy (taking out the NK leadership and hoping the regime collapses without a figurehead). There are reports of a poor harvest and the peasants are back to eating grass. Showing they have military power is all they have left for their domestic and their international audience. Its fairly rational on their part.

[Pete]

After Cuba and Venezuela respond to this cretins speech, The Iranian president gives the leader of the "free world" a dressing down.

He's some nerve calling Kim Jong Un a "rocket man".

This is the man who is basically saying "We don't like the way you live. Embrace democracy (oligarchy) or we'll bully you either economically or with big rockets".

[Hibrandenburg]

Oh dear dog!


https://www.google.de/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/29/trump-account-retweets-anti-muslim-videos-of-british-far-right-leader

[wpj]

Oh dear dog!


https://www.google.de/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/29/trump-account-retweets-anti-muslim-videos-of-british-far-right-leader

Been following this, retweeted 3 tweets from them. Shameful!

[Hibrandenburg]

Been following this, retweeted 3 tweets from them. Shameful!

Imagine the Prime Minister reposting a tweet from the KKK?

[snooky]

19836

[Moulin Yarns]

99
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[hibsbollah]

Imagine the Prime Minister reposting a tweet from the KKK?

It's unbelievable, even for him. The line between what's acceptable and what's not in public office has moved so far so quickly.

[BroxburnHibee]

It's unbelievable, even for him. The line between what's acceptable and what's not in public office has moved so far so quickly.

He has no boundaries - I'd expect it to get worse.

[Hibrandenburg]

I don't think we truly understand what's coming our way.

[hibsbollah]

It appears the Britain First tweets that Trump retweeted were of a riot in Egypt involving people being pushed off a roof, so radical Islam wasn't even involved, and a serious assault that was investigated by police and the culprit was charged and jailed, but religion wasn't a factor. :dunno: A sad bit of racist fake news.

[Colr]

It appears the Britain First tweets that Trump retweeted were of a riot in Egypt involving people being pushed off a roof, so radical Islam wasn't even involved, and a serious assault that was investigated by police and the culprit was charged and jailed, but religion wasn't a factor. :dunno: A sad bit of racist fake news.

Whitehouse spokesperson says it doesn’t matter if the tweets aren’t true as they reflect a fear.

It’s like 1984!

[stoneyburn hibs]

I'm surprised the Trump bar could've been set any lower, he's managed to do it though.

[weecounty hibby]

I remember growing up during the testy Cold War period and being aware of the issues and how we could have been close to war. I have a genuine concern that this ****ing conceited narcissist is going to drag us I to a major war, whether that is with N Korea or some Other country/countries that he has taken a dislike to. Where is Lee Harvey Oswald when you need him?

[Pete]

I was going to ask how much crazier and provocative can he get but I’m scared of the answer.

It’s only a matter of time before someone takes this guy out Kennedy style.

[Colr]

I remember growing up during the testy Cold War period and being aware of the issues and how we could have been close to war. I have a genuine concern that this ****ing conceited narcissist is going to drag us I to a major war, whether that is with N Korea or some Other country/countries that he has taken a dislike to. Where is Lee Harvey Oswald when you need him?

Probably set up some mentally sub-normal immigrant to appear to have burned down Congress as a first step.......

[-Jonesy-]

I was going to ask how much crazier and provocative can he get but I’m scared of the answer.

It’s only a matter of time before someone takes this guy out Kennedy style.

Fingers crossed🤞🏻

[Pete]

Fingers crossed🤞🏻

It’s probably the only way this man will shut up.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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.@Theresa_May, don’t focus on me, focus on the destructive Radical Islamic Terrorism that is taking place within the United Kingdom. We are doing just fine!


😕

[snooky]

It’s probably the only way this man will shut up.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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32m
.@Theresa_May, don’t focus on me, focus on the destructive Radical Islamic Terrorism that is taking place within the United Kingdom. We are doing just fine!


😕
Don't like the way this thread is going. An assassination makes the person a martyr and creates more division. Trump is a nutter and like all nutters who get a long rope, they hang themself. Hopefully he goes sooner rather than later.

[Hibrandenburg]

Don't like the way this thread is going. An assassination makes the person a martyr and creates more division. Trump is a nutter and like all nutters who get a long rope, they hang themself. Hopefully he goes sooner rather than later.

:agree: Be best he leaves office in disgrace and leaves a message to future leaders than in a box as a martyr.

[Mikey]

Did anyone hear the phone in on the Jeremy Vine show? The woman from Skye who said that he's being guided by the holy spirit left me utterly speechless.

[wpj]

Did anyone hear the phone in on the Jeremy Vine show? The woman from Skye who said that he's being guided by the holy spirit left me utterly speechless.

More like Holy sh*t!

[Lendo]

My preference would be to see him being removed from the White House in handcuffs along with all his Russian consp irators .

[cabbageandribs1875]

for the sake of world peace take that Damn Twitter thing away from him fgs

[CropleyWasGod]

for the sake of world peace take that Damn Twitter thing away from him fgsNah. Let him keep his Twatter. Just keep him the **** away from the missile codes [emoji23]

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[hibsbollah]

Has anyone heard this Sebastien Gorka guy before? Ex Trump advisor doing the rounds of news studios and just being completely mad, ranting about not being able to walk the streets in Malmo because of muslim rapists and so on, BBC being propagandists of political correctness. The interview degenerated into shouting and had to be cut short. These people are nudging their way into the mainstream. I see the BF woman who was retweeted now has 75,000 new followers. Which maybe was the point all along?

[Hibrandenburg]

Has anyone heard this Sebastien Gorka guy before? Ex Trump advisor doing the rounds of news studios and just being completely mad, ranting about not being able to walk the streets in Malmo because of muslim rapists and so on, BBC being propagandists of political correctness. The interview degenerated into shouting and had to be cut short. These people are nudging their way into the mainstream. I see the BF woman who was retweeted now has 75,000 new followers. Which maybe was the point all along?

The UK and Theresa May is his bitch and he knows it. Because of Brexit we are now at the mercy of the USA. May has no alternative but to pucker up and take what's coming her way from Trump. There'll be votes to be had for showing those damn limeys who's boss and he knows it. Expect more of the same soon.

[Hibs Class]

Has anyone heard this Sebastien Gorka guy before? Ex Trump advisor doing the rounds of news studios and just being completely mad, ranting about not being able to walk the streets in Malmo because of muslim rapists and so on, BBC being propagandists of political correctness. The interview degenerated into shouting and had to be cut short. These people are nudging their way into the mainstream. I see the BF woman who was retweeted now has 75,000 new followers. Which maybe was the point all along?

I've seen Gorka loads of times, usually on Hannity on Fox News. Typical rent-a-gob, albeit his delivery has a knowledgable style, it infers that he has been brought on as an expert and what he says is lapped up by Trump's core support. Despite that, I was still amazed when he got a job in Trump's administration, less so when he lasted only for a short time.

[hibsbollah]

I've seen Gorka loads of times, usually on Hannity on Fox News. Typical rent-a-gob, albeit his delivery has a knowledgable style, it infers that he has been brought on as an expert and what he says is lapped up by Trump's core support. Despite that, I was still amazed when he got a job in Trump's administration, less so when he lasted only for a short time.

He must have left his knowledgeable style at home, he sounded like he'd just had a ketamine sandwich. I remember when we thought George W was an extremist, some of these current kooks are from a different planet...

[NAE NOOKIE]

I don't know if Trump will be the next American president to be impeached ..... he could well be the first one to be declared mentally incompetent while in office :bitchy:

[Tyler Durden]

I've seen Gorka loads of times, usually on Hannity on Fox News. Typical rent-a-gob, albeit his delivery has a knowledgable style, it infers that he has been brought on as an expert and what he says is lapped up by Trump's core support. Despite that, I was still amazed when he got a job in Trump's administration, less so when he lasted only for a short time.

There is a story that Gorka's Hungarian connections got him the job. Carter Page and other Trump aides have made several trips to Hungary in the past 18 months and it's widely thought Hungary is a friendly territory for Russia. Basically a middle ground for meetings.

I'm not into conspiracy theories, which this may reek of. But the mainstream media are miles behind on the Mueller investigation, as you'll see today with the way Mike Flynns charges are reported. Seth Abrahmson is a great Twitter feed to follow to keep pace with this stuff.

[-Jonesy-]

Trumps former national security advisor Michael Flynn has plead guilty to making false statements to the FBI.

Tick Tock.

[Colr]

I sometimes wonder if the best thing to do would be to ignore him. He’s such a narcissist that without the attention he would lose interest and quit.

[grunt]

I sometimes wonder if the best thing to do would be to ignore him. He’s such a narcissist that without the attention he would lose interest and quit.Difficult to ignore the most powerful man on Earth.

[Colr]

Difficult to ignore the most powerful man on Earth.

Who?

[Jim44]

He’s got good company in the White House.

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/moments/936592649020215296?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjc18y&refsrc=email&iid=43dd12380f3f4800b25e310354f37c4d&fl=4&uid=471495060&nid=244+273027073

[Moulin Yarns]

Who?

Superman

[heretoday]

Only another three years of Trumpery to go - that's provided the Americans reject him and we haven't already been incinerated in our beds by that time.

[easty]

Dunno if this has been posted here before, but it's pretty funny-

https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/936940097550802944/video/1

[Pretty Boy]

Trump is the price society has to pay for making ignorance a desirable quality.

[Hibrandenburg]

Trump is the price society has to pay for making ignorance a desirable quality.

I've never understood the "charm" of thick people that some folks seem to enjoy. I've always thought that the attraction of having thickos as chums was that it might make people feel secretly superior. I find my tolerance of ignorance has steadily declined the older I get.

[Saturday Boy]

Dunno if this has been posted here before, but it's pretty funny-

https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/936940097550802944/video/1

Brilliant video , an excerpt has just been used as closing credits on Newsnight.

[Pretty Boy]

I see the idiot is preparing to go it alone and recognise Jerulasem as the legitimate Israeli Capital sometime in the next week.

I can't see how anyone, regardless of their views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, can view this as anything other than rank stupidity. The effect on a peace process already hanging by a thread and the further instability it will cause in the region is genuinely scary.

[Future17]

I see the idiot is preparing to go it alone and recognise Jerulasem as the legitimate Israeli Capital sometime in the next week.

I can't see how anyone, regardless of their views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, can view this as anything other than rank stupidity. The effect on a peace process already hanging by a thread and the further instability it will cause in the region is genuinely scary.

Agreed, it's an act of staggering selfishness even by his established standards.

[SanFranHibs]

I see the idiot is preparing to go it alone and recognise Jerulasem as the legitimate Israeli Capital sometime in the next week.

I can't see how anyone, regardless of their views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, can view this as anything other than rank stupidity. The effect on a peace process already hanging by a thread and the further instability it will cause in the region is genuinely scary.

The problem is is he is not going it alone. I think this is one issue where he is being pushed along by the Evangelicals and Jews who are the firmest of friends and have long been so, at least at the administrative level of their respective faiths. When I first moved here I happened to see a program from the 80's (Reagan years) and the Evangelicals were pushing it then and promising to demolish the Dome of The Rock! And I recall Ted Cruz, one of the Republican candidates, in a 2016 town hall meeting just prior to his dropping out of the race being asked what are the five things he would do on first first day in office should he win. 'Move the capital of Israel to Jerusalem'. Although him having this thought did not shock me, I was surprised it was on his must do list on his first day in office.

I did not know that anyone actually believed there was a real 'peace process' going on. Israel's peace agreements in my mind have been modelled on the American 'peace policies' with the native American tribes. Perhaps not consciously but in effect. 'Sign the treaty' and before the ink is dry let more settlers move into the native lands and when the tribes fight back get involved to protect the settlers. Then have another peace treaty and so on and so on.

In the US government if you even propose that some defence intelligence contracts, held by Israel, are put out for tender it can end your career. Israel actually controls 100% of some defence intelligence areas here and is even responsible for over 80% of the cell phone billing, which is not carried out by the service providers. Check out AIPIC.

The power of the media and press here is oppressive and corrupt to extreme levels and it is no coincidence that both major parties constantly voice their strong and unwavering support of Israel.

[hibsbollah]

The problem is is he is not going it alone. I think this is one issue where he is being pushed along by the Evangelicals and Jews who are the firmest of friends and have long been so, at least at the administrative level of their respective faiths. When I first moved here I happened to see a program from the 80's (Reagan years) and the Evangelicals were pushing it then and promising to demolish the Dome of The Rock! And I recall Ted Cruz, one of the Republican candidates, in a 2016 town hall meeting just prior to his dropping out of the race being asked what are the five things he would do on first first day in office should he win. 'Move the capital of Israel to Jerusalem'. Although him having this thought did not shock me, I was surprised it was on his must do list on his first day in office.

I did not know that anyone actually believed there was a real 'peace process' going on. Israel's peace agreements in my mind have been modelled on the American 'peace policies' with the native American tribes. Perhaps not consciously but in effect. 'Sign the treaty' and before the ink is dry let more settlers move into the native lands and when the tribes fight back get involved to protect the settlers. Then have another peace treaty and so on and so on.

In the US government if you even propose that some defence intelligence contracts, held by Israel, are put out for tender it can end your career. Israel actually controls 100% of some defence intelligence areas here and is even responsible for over 80% of the cell phone billing, which is not carried out by the service providers. Check out AIPIC.

The power of the media and press here is oppressive and corrupt to extreme levels and it is no coincidence that both major parties constantly voice their strong and unwavering support of Israel.

A lot of good points there, but it's important to also remember that the US Jewish population has overwhelmingly backed the Democrats in all elections (since at least the 60s I think) and are amongst the most liberal and progressive of all minority groups. Jews voted in large numbers for Obama and for Clinton over Trump. And they don't all agree with the the powerful pro-Israel lobby groups either; the Israel lobby has much closer ties with extreme alt right groups and evangelical Christians, oddly.

[Pretty Boy]

The problem is is he is not going it alone. I think this is one issue where he is being pushed along by the Evangelicals and Jews who are the firmest of friends and have long been so, at least at the administrative level of their respective faiths. When I first moved here I happened to see a program from the 80's (Reagan years) and the Evangelicals were pushing it then and promising to demolish the Dome of The Rock! And I recall Ted Cruz, one of the Republican candidates, in a 2016 town hall meeting just prior to his dropping out of the race being asked what are the five things he would do on first first day in office should he win. 'Move the capital of Israel to Jerusalem'. Although him having this thought did not shock me, I was surprised it was on his must do list on his first day in office.

I did not know that anyone actually believed there was a real 'peace process' going on. Israel's peace agreements in my mind have been modelled on the American 'peace policies' with the native American tribes. Perhaps not consciously but in effect. 'Sign the treaty' and before the ink is dry let more settlers move into the native lands and when the tribes fight back get involved to protect the settlers. Then have another peace treaty and so on and so on.

In the US government if you even propose that some defence intelligence contracts, held by Israel, are put out for tender it can end your career. Israel actually controls 100% of some defence intelligence areas here and is even responsible for over 80% of the cell phone billing, which is not carried out by the service providers. Check out AIPIC.

The power of the media and press here is oppressive and corrupt to extreme levels and it is no coincidence that both major parties constantly voice their strong and unwavering support of Israel.

Yep, you are correct in a lot of what you say.

My 'going it alone' comment referred to being the 1st world leader to publicly recognise and acknowledge Jerusalem as the Israeli capital. That's a hugely symbolic statement and act and it's clear leaders from the EU and Middle East are very wary of this line of action.

[Speedy]

I see the idiot is preparing to go it alone and recognise Jerulasem as the legitimate Israeli Capital sometime in the next week.

I can't see how anyone, regardless of their views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, can view this as anything other than rank stupidity. The effect on a peace process already hanging by a thread and the further instability it will cause in the region is genuinely scary.

He reminds me of Zaphod Beeblebrox in the Hitchhiker's books.

"He was briefly the President of the Galaxy (a role that involves no power whatsoever, and merely requires the incumbent to attract attention so no one wonders who's really in charge, a role for which Zaphod was perfectly suited)."

[Smartie]

I see the idiot is preparing to go it alone and recognise Jerulasem as the legitimate Israeli Capital sometime in the next week.

I can't see how anyone, regardless of their views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, can view this as anything other than rank stupidity. The effect on a peace process already hanging by a thread and the further instability it will cause in the region is genuinely scary.

When you're as incredibly stupid as Trump is, this kind of statement makes sense.

He a stupid man, surrounded by stupid people, having been voted for by desperate people.

It is frightening that he is in the most powerful position in the world, and every time he opens his mouth in relation to North Korea, Israel/ Palestine or Iran, I am terrified of what he might stir up.

I'm going to become a father for the first time in February, and these are not days that I really want to be wishing away. But for the good of our entire species, the time that that idiot finds himself as far away from the White House (hopefully at most 3 years although I still hold out hope that he gets caught out and finds himself impeached) cannot come quick enough.

[Haymaker]

Well, he's done it.

[AK86]

Trump being president is the biggest practical joke the world has ever seen. I congratulate the yanks on fooling us all and keeping it going for so long.
Buts that's enough , let's bring out the real one , it's not funny anymore :confused:

[NAE NOOKIE]

I see the idiot is preparing to go it alone and recognise Jerulasem as the legitimate Israeli Capital sometime in the next week.

I can't see how anyone, regardless of their views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, can view this as anything other than rank stupidity. The effect on a peace process already hanging by a thread and the further instability it will cause in the region is genuinely scary.

And of course now he's done it. Is this guy the stupidest man on earth? His planet sized ego and zero grasp of right and wrong, not to mention basic statesmanship, was jaw dropping but even so up until now at worst all it was doing was making the office of POTUS look ridiculous.

This is probably the first decision he has taken that is likely to get people killed, its a direct slap in the face to the Palestinians. They already see the US as Israel's biggest ally and backer, but perhaps still had some hope that they could also be relied upon to curb the worst excesses of the Israeli right wing, with this decision I would guess even in the eyes of moderate Palestinians the US has come down firmly on the side of Israel and worse the extremist side of Israeli politics. The result will be that the US will never be trusted by them to broker any peace deals and for sure any building opened in Jerusalem with American Embassy written on it will be a magnet for every zealot who can strap on a suicide vest or load a truck with explosives.

For all his idiocy I never took seriously the idea that Trump might be prepared to push the button on North Korea .... if he can be this stupid who knows what he's capable of ...... this isn't funny any more.
:confused:

[Ryan69]

Trump being president is the biggest practical joke the world has ever seen. I congratulate the yanks on fooling us all and keeping it going for so long.
Buts that's enough , let's bring out the real one , it's not funny anymore :confused:


At at least he gets things done.....unlike our absolutely useless unelected Prime Minister!

[Just Alf]

it's funny he's done it right at this moment, its almost as if there's something else big going on that he wants everyone deflected from? :cb

[Danderhall Hibs]

At at least he gets things done.....unlike our absolutely useless unelected Prime Minister!

She was elected?

[AK86]

At at least he gets things done.....unlike our absolutely useless unelected Prime Minister!
So you admire trump. And you don't remember the UK elections? :rolleyes:

[Ryan69]

So you admire trump. And you don't remember the UK elections? :rolleyes:


I was meaning when she went into number 10 at first.

won by default.....due to a media led assassination of the other candidate.


And she has been bloody useless ever since!


like I said....At least Trump does what he says!
He actually puts his countries best interests first,and **** what anyone says.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

it's funny he's done it right at this moment, its almost as if there's something else big going on that he wants everyone deflected from? :cb

I thought the exact same thing. Barely been mentioned on msm

[Hibrandenburg]

I was meaning when she went into number 10 at first.

won by default.....due to a media led assassination of the other candidate.


And she has been bloody useless ever since!


like I said....At least Trump does what he says!
He actually puts his countries best interests first,and **** what anyone says.

If you consider stirring up racial tension, ignoring climate change and alienating allies to be in America's best interests, then I suppose you're right.

[Pretty Boy]

I was meaning when she went into number 10 at first.

won by default.....due to a media led assassination of the other candidate.


And she has been bloody useless ever since!


like I said....At least Trump does what he says!
He actually puts his countries best interests first,and **** what anyone says.

He's certainly put the interests of his countries defence contractors first. Make no mistake he has just fired the 1st shots in a ground war in the Middle East.

Problem for him is with his announcement yesterday and his lack of understanding of diplomacy and statesmanship he might just find the likes of Saudi, Kuwait and Oman are less forthcoming with their airspace and territory.

I suppose if you view thousands of civilian deaths as a price worth paying for making America great again then his course of putting his country first is working out well.

[-Jonesy-]

I was meaning when she went into number 10 at first.

won by default.....due to a media led assassination of the other candidate.


And she has been bloody useless ever since!


like I said....At least Trump does what he says!
He actually puts his countries best interests first,and **** what anyone says.

Moron, you say that as if it's something to be admired.

[RyeSloan]

I was meaning when she went into number 10 at first.

won by default.....due to a media led assassination of the other candidate.


And she has been bloody useless ever since!


like I said....At least Trump does what he says!
He actually puts his countries best interests first,and **** what anyone says.

Has he drained the swamp yet?

[hibsbollah]

Has he drained the swamp yet?

Yes. He did it at the same time as he 'built that wall'.

[RyeSloan]

Yes. He did it at the same time as he 'built that wall'.

Ahh good to hear he is getting things done after all...[emoji12]

[xyz23jc]

Yes. He did it at the same time as he 'built that wall'.

And he has made America great again... Right? :greengrin:devil::duck:

[Beefster]

At at least he gets things done.....unlike our absolutely useless unelected Prime Minister!

I was under the impression that, aside from tax cuts for the rich and some announcements to appeal to his base, he had achieved practically nothing of any real substance. What things are you talking about?

[DH1875]

it's funny he's done it right at this moment, its almost as if there's something else big going on that he wants everyone deflected from? :cb


I thought the exact same thing. Barely been mentioned on msm

What we talking about :confused:

[Pete]

And he has made America great again... Right? :greengrin:devil::duck:

I thought he was elected on the basis that he was going to do this and concentrate less on foreign affairs.

So far he’s done anything but, interfering in socialist countries, picking fights with North Korea, fanning the flames in the Middle East, even trying to stir up hatred in Europe...the list goes on.

They say the eyes are the gateway to the soul and he looks crazy. Genuinely fearful of what this nutter might do.

[Slavers]

Historically speaking Jerusalem belongs to the Jews!

[hibsbollah]

I was under the impression that, aside from tax cuts for the rich and some announcements to appeal to his base, he had achieved practically nothing of any real substance. What things are you talking about?

The things hes done are very significant, but they are all about stopping doing stuff than doing stuff (withdrawing from climate control accords, getting rid of environmental controls on drilling in national parks, getting rid of federal government departments, further liberalisation of gun laws, etc) but all his 'doing stuff' promises like Building The Wall, reversing Obamacare, a massive jobs programme (which is the policy that really got poor blue collar America voting for him) just hasnt happened. Essentially, as well as being mad, he's a lazy ****er.

[hibsbollah]

Historically speaking Jerusalem belongs to the Jews!

Oh no, i predict a car crash ahead.

[Hibrandenburg]

Historically speaking Jerusalem belongs to the Jews!

Historically speaking Scotland belongs to the Picts. Your point is?

[Slavers]

Historically speaking Scotland belongs to the Picts. Your point is?

The point being it would be the natural choice for Israel's capital.

[Hibrandenburg]

The point being it would be the natural choice for Israel's capital.

So Scotland's capital should return to Braemar, Forfar, Stirling or any number of previous capitals depending on which epoch in history you choose.

[hibsbollah]

The point being it would be the natural choice for Israel's capital.

So youre proposing giving our entire country to Israel to be its capital?

[Slavers]

So Scotland's capital should return to Braemar, Forfar, Stirling or any number of previous capitals depending on which epoch in history you choose.

What has this to do with Scotland? But I'm sure if Scotland chose to do so then Trump would support that decision if we asked him.

[Slavers]

So youre proposing giving our entire country to Israel to be its capital?

Sorry if I am being dense but that makes no sense to me. Can you explain a bit more? Do you mean give Scotland to Israel?

[CropleyWasGod]

Sorry if I am being dense but that makes no sense to me. Can you explain a bit more? Do you mean give Scotland to Israel?

The lost tribe of Israel reputedly being the ancient inhabitants of Scotland?

[Slavers]

The lost tribe of Israel reputedly being the ancient inhabitants of Scotland?

Oh right, I must have missed the report of Israel laying claim to Scotland.

[AK86]

I was meaning when she went into number 10 at first.

won by default.....due to a media led assassination of the other candidate.


And she has been bloody useless ever since!


like I said....At least Trump does what he says!
He actually puts his countries best interests first,and **** what anyone says.
When you watch and listen to trump, you must hear and see something different than I do.
Please tell me , what about him impresses you?

[hibsbollah]

Sorry if I am being dense but that makes no sense to me. Can you explain a bit more? Do you mean give Scotland to Israel?

Thats crazy talk. Give Scotland to Israel? I can't even believe it's been suggested. I smell the PC brigade on their high horses.

[Slavers]

Thats crazy talk. Give Scotland to Israel? I can't even believe it's been suggested. I smell the PC brigade on their high horses.

PC Brigade? Are they Pics?

[Haymaker]

Historically speaking Jerusalem belongs to the Jews!

*grabs popcorn*

[hibsbollah]

PC Brigade? Are they Pics?

:agree: PC stands for Pict ****s.

[Slavers]

:agree: PC stands for Pict ****s.

Ok.

[IGRIGI]

I'm almost starting to believe myself the theory that this decision by Trump will bring about the rebuilding of the holy temple and kick start the end of days.

[Slavers]

I'm almost starting to believe myself the theory that this decision by Trump will bring about the rebuilding of the holy temple and kick start the end of days.

Where have you been? They have already started work on this.

[Just Alf]

What we talking about :confused:Russian intervention last year to ensure Trump got the presidency looking like it's actually true.
A number of Trumps top team are implicated including his son in law (meetings with Russians in Bulgaria etc) and the FBI have issued a mandatory request to the German state Bank for details of Trumps financial affairs which Trump had been denying access too since the start.

As soon as it started to hit the fan last week he, out the blue, began talk of the Jerusalem thing.

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[PeeJay]

Russian intervention last year to ensure Trump got the presidency looking like it's actually true.
A number of Trumps top team are implicated including his son in law (meetings with Russians in Bulgaria etc) and the FBI have issued a mandatory request to the German state Bank for details of Trumps financial affairs which Trump had been denying access too since the start.

As soon as it started to hit the fan last week he, out the blue, began talk of the Jerusalem thing.

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No - you mean "Deutsche Bank" - it's not the German state bank ... he'll be after you for spreading "fake news" :greengrin

[beensaidbefore]

I see trouble ahead.

Wonder what Corbin will have to say on the matter, what with him being anti Semitic and all that.😏

[Smartie]

When you watch and listen to trump, you must hear and see something different than I do.
Please tell me , what about him impresses you?

I know the question wasn't aimed at me, but I can't help but be impressed that a talentless imbecile with no redeeming features whatsoever has managed to get as far as Trump has.

It gives hope to no-hopers everywhere that anything is possible.

[Peevemor]

Trump might come across as a complete cock, but he knows how to keep his pals in the global armaments industry happy.

[Lendo]

Nothing more than a distraction tactic from the now inevitable Russia subpoenas for the inner circle.

edit. A distraction that will undoubtedly lead to deaths (if it hasn’t already. Sounds like it’s starting to kick off).

[McD]

I was meaning when she went into number 10 at first.

won by default.....due to a media led assassination of the other candidate.


And she has been bloody useless ever since!


like I said....At least Trump does what he says!
He actually puts his countries best interests first,and **** what anyone says.



She was elected to be the (then new) leader of the Tory party when David Cameron resigned. The Tory party at that time had been elected as the governing party.

this has been the way politics has worked for a very long time in Britain. we don’t vote for a Prime Minister. Like her or loath her (personally I think she’s useless), she was elected.

[Just Alf]

No - you mean "Deutsche Bank" - it's not the German state bank ... he'll be after you for spreading "fake news" :greengrin




oh oh! .... :paranoid:

haaanggg on! when it was pointed out that those Britain 1st tweets were fake news (videos weren't from the UK) he said it was OK because it was "the message" that was important so it didn't matter his tweets were based on Fake news!

must say he has me confused now :confused:

:greengrin

PS. thanks for the correction, I couldn't remember the bank's name

[EH6 Hibby]

Trump is trying to stir up trouble, he’s hoping for an attack on the US to justify his travel ban.

[AK86]

I know the question wasn't aimed at me, but I can't help but be impressed that a talentless imbecile with no redeeming features whatsoever has managed to get as far as Trump has.

It gives hope to no-hopers everywhere that anything is possible.
It is bizarre. The guy is a total bell end , yet has achieved the highest of office. You wouldn't stand in the pub with the likes , never mind vote for him!!

[NAE NOOKIE]

Historically speaking Jerusalem belongs to the Jews!

That's not the problem though. The problem isn't whether or not there's a case to be made for Jerusalem being the capital of Israel, the problem is when to go about discussing that. Its a bone of contention between the Palestinians and Israel and its status would have been an important part of any settlement brought about by negotiation ... by doing what he's done Trump has basically told the Palestinians the status of the city isn't up for negotiation and that the US recognises Israel's claim to it in its entirety. There is no way the Palestinians were going to accept that and Trump must have known the trouble it would cause when he made his ill advised and stupid decision, he has set back the prospect of America brokering peace between the Israelis and Palestinians by years.

[Slavers]

That's not the problem though. The problem isn't whether or not there's a case to be made for Jerusalem being the capital of Israel, the problem is when to go about discussing that. Its a bone of contention between the Palestinians and Israel and its status would have been an important part of any settlement brought about by negotiation ... by doing what he's done Trump has basically told the Palestinians the status of the city isn't up for negotiation and that the US recognises Israel's claim to it in its entirety. There is no way the Palestinians were going to accept that and Trump must have known the trouble it would cause when he made his ill advised and stupid decision, he has set back the prospect of America brokering peace between the Israelis and Palestinians by years.

Well I think there is an argument appeasing the Palestinians and the wider Islamic world in regards to Jeruselam is waste of time. There has been no real peace since 1960's, so why continue down the same route?

If the Palestinians can't accept that Jerusalem is Jewish then why should Israel pander to them? Pandering to the Palestinians over Jerusalem has not worked so far so maybe this is the right move and will bring peace over the long term.

[Pretty Boy]

Well I think there is an argument appeasing the Palestinians and the wider Islamic world in regards to Jeruselam is waste of time. There has been no real peace since 1960's, so why continue down the same route?

If the Palestinians can't accept that Jerusalem is Jewish then why should Israel pander to them? Pandering to the Palestinians over Jerusalem has not worked so far so maybe this is the right move and will bring peace over the long term.

Is Jerusalem Jewish?

I think followers of Christianity and Islam might query that. Even the Israeli Government recognises the importance of the city to the other 2 major monotheistic faiths.

[Slavers]

Is Jerusalem Jewish?

I think followers of Christianity and Islam might query that. Even the Israeli Government recognises the importance of the city to the other 2 major monotheistic faiths.

There is no Christian country laying claim to Jerusalem, only the Islamic world are doing this and considering the Jewish faith predates the Islamic faith then yes Jerusalem Is Jewish.

[wpj]

What has this to do with Scotland? But I'm sure if Scotland chose to do so then Trump would support that decision if we asked him.

Why the F would we or should we ask him??? :confused:it's none of his business as is his statement to make Jerusalem the capital of Israel, there are many more counties areas and religions in that region that should have the right to this discussion before him!
So if he decided Brussels should be the new capital of Finland it would be OK because someone asked him?

[Slavers]

Why the F would we or should we ask him??? :confused:it's none of his business as is his statement to make Jerusalem the capital of Israel, there are many more counties areas and religions in that region that should have the right to this discussion before him!
So if he decided Brussels should be the new capital of Finland it would be OK because someone asked him?

I didn't bring up Scotland in this conversation. I replied meaning if Scotland wanted to change it's capital to another city and asked Trump to recognise this then he probably would.

[Mr White]

I didn't bring up Scotland in this conversation. I replied meaning if Scotland wanted to change it's capital to another city and asked Trump to recognise this then he probably would.

Especially if it was closer to one of his golf resorts.

[makaveli1875]

It all seems a bit ridiculous to me , this debate has been going longer than most of us have been alive .
Surely the sensible solution would be that the israelis and palestinians can share jerusalem as their capital , rather than spend a lifetime fighting over it :confused:

Religion baffles me in these situations

[hibsbollah]

It all seems a bit ridiculous to me , this debate has been going longer than most of us have been alive .
Surely the sensible solution would be that the israelis and palestinians can share jerusalem as their capital , rather than spend a lifetime fighting over it :confused:

Religion baffles me in these situations

It's part of the peace accords (1993 but I might be wrong) that they share the capital until a formal solution is found (ideally Israel returning the land it invaded to pre 1967 borders but that's highly unlikely in the current climate). So what Trump has done is shat all over twenty odd years of consensus. Also, the Christians and Armenians also have a quarter each of the city, and they have also been shat on
and undermined by Trumps announcement.

Ironic that the president that's been enthusiastically cheered on by the Evangelical Christian Right has done the most to undermine Christian governance of its most holy city :dunno:

[Pete]

I see trouble ahead.

Wonder what Corbin will have to say on the matter, what with him being anti Semitic and all that.😏

It’s a shame that nobody has been listening to Corbyn on these matters for years because if they did, there probably wouldn’t be as much trouble.

Maybe if people listened a bit less to the money men and their pals in the press who peddle crap like him being an anti-Semite, terrorist lover etc...🤔

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

It’s a shame that nobody has been listening to Corbyn on these matters for years because if they did, there probably wouldn’t be as much trouble.

Maybe if people listened a bit less to the money men and their pals in the press who peddle crap like him being an anti-Semite, terrorist lover etc...🤔

Yeah, dont listen to the US, lets listen to Hamas instead. Im sure they woyld be reasonable...

This is what frustrates me about these situations - people trying to score pathetic and conpletely erroneous points, from a situation that has nothing to do with it.

Are you seriously saying that you think corbyn could have done a better job at ending a conflict that has been going on for, literally, hundreds of years, because he says some nice things about one of the extremist elements responsible for its very intractability?

Trump is an ********, and he has poured petrol on the flames, but lets face it, muslims around the world getting enraged, offended and burning thimgs in the street seems to be a weekly event.

Like it or not, the israelis have as much claim to Jerusalem, and actually probably more of a claim, than anyone else. And until extremists on both sides stop talkinh about eradicating the others, force and might will win, amd that means the Palestinians will be stuck as stone throwing pawns in the great games of greater powers.

[Pete]

Yeah, dont listen to the US, lets listen to Hamas instead. Im sure they woyld be reasonable...

This is what frustrates me about these situations - people trying to score pathetic and conpletely erroneous points, from a situation that has nothing to do with it.

Are you seriously saying that you think corbyn could have done a better job at ending a conflict that has been going on for, literally, hundreds of years, because he says some nice things about one of the extremist elements responsible for its very intractability?

Trump is an ********, and he has poured petrol on the flames, but lets face it, muslims around the world getting enraged, offended and burning thimgs in the street seems to be a weekly event.

Like it or not, the israelis have as much claim to Jerusalem, and actually probably more of a claim, than anyone else. And until extremists on both sides stop talkinh about eradicating the others, force and might will win, amd that means the Palestinians will be stuck as stone throwing pawns in the great games of greater powers.

Whoa there! You complain about pathetic point scoring and quote my post instead of the one I was replying to? My post was in the same spirit as yours apparently was, frustration regarding another baseless, irrelevant dig at an individual who has nothing to do with the conversation.

I would ask you what you thought about his accusations but it appears from your opening sentence, a suggestion of a binary choice between either the US or Hamas, that you're in a similar camp. Jeremy Corbyn has indeed used inclusive language in the past to describe parties with differing views in certain situations. It's called diplomacy, and it's probably the best way to solve conflicts.

For clarity, when I said "these matters" I wasn't talking specifically talking about Israel/Palestine, it was our general foreign policy. Forgive me if I seem like I'm scoring points but our interventions in places like the Middle East, Iraq, Libya etc...are part of the reason so many "pissed off Muslims" are burning things and committing terrorist acts. Have a think about how the world would be right now if certain Western countries had been slightly less aggressive and money-orientated and instead adopted socialist ideals that cetrain much-maligned politicians have championed.

Corbyn has been on the right side of history since he's had a voice and you, or the guy I quoted have no right to speak about him in derogatory terms when it comes to any foreign conflicts, especially ones that we've helped create along with the other policemen of the world. Your last sentence is one I think we can all agree on but let's not go here again as its not a good idea.

Returning to your original question, I'd probably rather listen to anyone other than the US right now.

[TheReg!]

God bless Trump, God bless America and God bless the true people of Israel 🇮🇱 🇬🇧🇺🇸

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Whoa there! You complain about pathetic point scoring and quote my post instead of the one I was replying to? My post was in the same spirit as yours apparently was, frustration regarding another baseless, irrelevant dig at an individual who has nothing to do with the conversation.

I would ask you what you thought about his accusations but it appears from your opening sentence, a suggestion of a binary choice between either the US or Hamas, that you're in a similar camp. Jeremy Corbyn has indeed used inclusive language in the past to describe parties with differing views in certain situations. It's called diplomacy, and it's probably the best way to solve conflicts.

For clarity, when I said "these matters" I wasn't talking specifically talking about Israel/Palestine, it was our general foreign policy. Forgive me if I seem like I'm scoring points but our interventions in places like the Middle East, Iraq, Libya etc...are part of the reason so many "pissed off Muslims" are burning things and committing terrorist acts. Have a think about how the world would be right now if certain Western countries had been slightly less aggressive and money-orientated and instead adopted socialist ideals that cetrain much-maligned politicians have championed.

Corbyn has been on the right side of history since he's had a voice and you, or the guy I quoted have no right to speak about him in derogatory terms when it comes to any foreign conflicts, especially ones that we've helped create along with the other policemen of the world. Your last sentence is one I think we can all agree on but let's not go here again as its not a good idea.

Returning to your original question, I'd probably rather listen to anyone other than the US right now.

Sorry mate, i didnt read the previous post, so happy to stand corrected.

But i think if you look at history, socialist regimes tend to be fairly violent and oppressive.

And foreign policy is always easy when you dont habe to actually make decisions, otherwise its very difficult. Its easy to talk peace, but lets not forget the worst conflixt in human history resulted from appeasement.

I accept what you say about western foreign policy in recent years, its not been great, but the islamic world habe been in uproar at tge west for as long as i can remember, salman rushdie was long before bush jnr.

I suppose i just think that because trump is a choob, it doesnt change the fact that those wanting to destroy Israel are just as extreme amd war-mongering, as are the Israeli hawks who keep the Palestinians in chains.

Apologies for 'having a go' wrongly at your original post though.

[Pete]

Sorry mate, i didnt read the previous post, so happy to stand corrected.

But i think if you look at history, socialist regimes tend to be fairly violent and oppressive.

And foreign policy is always easy when you dont habe to actually make decisions, otherwise its very difficult. Its easy to talk peace, but lets not forget the worst conflixt in human history resulted from appeasement.

I accept what you say about western foreign policy in recent years, its not been great, but the islamic world habe been in uproar at tge west for as long as i can remember, salman rushdie was long before bush jnr.

I suppose i just think that because trump is a choob, it doesnt change the fact that those wanting to destroy Israel are just as extreme amd war-mongering, as are the Israeli hawks who keep the Palestinians in chains.

Apologies for 'having a go' wrongly at your original post though.

No worries, at least we can agree that Trump is a tube.

[Pete]

God bless Trump, God bless America and God bless the true people of Israel 🇮🇱 🇬🇧🇺🇸

Stick to Twitter Donald. :rolleyes:

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

No worries, at least we can agree that Trump is a tube.

Definitely.

I mean its not as if there is even a gain for the US for doing this. You could maybe understand if it was self-interest, but it is absolutely not and will habe pi55sed off all of their middle east allies (except Israel, obviously).

[Hibrandenburg]

Definitely.

I mean its not as if there is even a gain for the US for doing this. You could maybe understand if it was self-interest, but it is absolutely not and will habe pi55sed off all of their middle east allies (except Israel, obviously).

The only gain is for Trump in that it deflects away from his other problems.

[beensaidbefore]

Whoa there! You complain about pathetic point scoring and quote my post instead of the one I was replying to? My post was in the same spirit as yours apparently was, frustration regarding another baseless, irrelevant dig at an individual who has nothing to do with the conversation.

I would ask you what you thought about his accusations but it appears from your opening sentence, a suggestion of a binary choice between either the US or Hamas, that you're in a similar camp. Jeremy Corbyn has indeed used inclusive language in the past to describe parties with differing views in certain situations. It's called diplomacy, and it's probably the best way to solve conflicts.

For clarity, when I said "these matters" I wasn't talking specifically talking about Israel/Palestine, it was our general foreign policy. Forgive me if I seem like I'm scoring points but our interventions in places like the Middle East, Iraq, Libya etc...are part of the reason so many "pissed off Muslims" are burning things and committing terrorist acts. Have a think about how the world would be right now if certain Western countries had been slightly less aggressive and money-orientated and instead adopted socialist ideals that cetrain much-maligned politicians have championed.

Corbyn has been on the right side of history since he's had a voice and you, or the guy I quoted have no right to speak about him in derogatory terms when it comes to any foreign conflicts, especially ones that we've helped create along with the other policemen of the world. Your last sentence is one I think we can all agree on but let's not go here again as its not a good idea.

Returning to your original question, I'd probably rather listen to anyone other than the US right now.

Whoa there yourself! I wasn't slagging Corbyn off. I was highlighting that he had been accused of being antisemitic in the past.

[Just Alf]

Just listened to a bit on the radio regarding Trump justifying his Jerusalem decision and the fact way back in history Jewish people can be identified as the original inhabitants so deserve to have "their" capital.

Im wondering how that fits in with him deregistering vast tracks of native Indian land from being ring-fenced as national monuments and are now opened up for mining etc totally against the wishes of the current native Indian inhabitants?


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[lapsedhibee]

Just listened to a bit on the radio regarding Trump justifying his Jerusalem decision and the fact way back in history Jewish people can be identified as the original inhabitants so deserve to have "their" capital.

Im wondering how that fits in with him deregistering vast tracks of native Indian land from being ring-fenced as national monuments and are now opened up for mining etc totally against the wishes of the current native Indian inhabitants?


I don't think coherence of any sort plays a part in his outlook at all. That'd shirley be a notion for despicable elite types.

[Moulin Yarns]

The only gain is for Trump in that it deflects away from his other problems.

The only other gain for the USA is the arms they can sell to bolster the middle east conflict.

And, Jerusalem was under Egyptian rule prior to being raised to the ground by King David, first king of the Jews 3000 years ago. So the question is, who has a greater claim on Jerusalem, Israel or Egypt? :greengrin

[Jim44]

The only gain is for Trump in that it deflects away from his other problems.

...... talking of which. http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/trump-accusers-speak-call-congressional-probe-51718770

[makaveli1875]

The only other gain for the USA is the arms they can sell to bolster the middle east conflict.
And, Jerusalem was under Egyptian rule prior to being raised to the ground by King David, first king of the Jews 3000 years ago. So the question is, who has a greater claim on Jerusalem, Israel or Egypt? :greengrin

Great idea , flatten the temple mount and build a giant pyramid there and a nice big statue of horus . Forget about all this abrahamic nonsense and go back to following the religions of our ancestors .

[wpj]

Great idea , flatten the temple mount and build a giant pyramid there and a nice big statue of horus . Forget about all this abrahamic nonsense and go back to following the religions of our ancestors .

He'll probably build a golf resort with a Trump tower and stick the golden dome on top

[Future17]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-42462190/fake-news-blunder-from-us-envoy-to-the-netherlands

[IGRIGI]

After living in the Hague near the Schilderswijk area I think he had a point about no go zones.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Got to wonder how much 'aid' Guatemala has received for now moving embassy to Jerusalem