(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[Smartie]

I don’t think so. Trumps appeal among Republicans (apparently) lies in him being a badass, taking no **** from anyone. An asshole but our asshole, if you like. I don’t think he’ll elicit much sympathy even among his supporters because he wasnt that kind of individual that elicited empathy in the first place.

Yeah.

People who prefer army men who don’t get themselves captured probably don’t fancy a president who catches himself the virus.

He’ll have to reap what he’s sown one day.

[Bristolhibby]

Biden should be making big on the fact that his campaign had a member not only displaying symptoms, had a test and in all likely hood they knew had COVID, yet still went ahead with a fundraiser in New Jersey yesterday.

This isn’t a man you can trust. He put his re-election in front of the health of those not only at the rally, but his whole staff and anyone he came into contact with. Considering his base (egged on by him) are anti maskers. He could be the super-spreader.

He needs to have a bad case. Not trying to be some monster, but it’s the only way he will learn humility and take it seriously. It’s not just him but the lives of millions of anti-masker Americans (and those they spread it to) at stake.

If he shrugs it off as “bad flu” he will double down on the lack of severity.

J

[lapsedhibee]

He needs to have a bad case. Not trying to be some monster, but it’s the only way he will learn humility and take it seriously.
Joking, right? :dunno:

[hibsbollah]

Yeah.

People who prefer army men who don’t get themselves captured probably don’t fancy a president who catches himself the virus.

He’ll have to reap what he’s sown one day.

Army men, who seem to have forgotten that he repeatedly lies about bone spurs to dodge the Vietnam war.
Religious men, who seem to have forgotten he’s a serial philanderer and assaulter of any ‘hot piece of ass’ available.

It makes no sense.

[Bristolhibby]

Joking, right? :dunno:

I know.

This tweet made me laugh.

“Given that one of the symptoms is a loss of taste we should've seen this coming”

https://twitter.com/drphiliplee1/status/1311902775211634688?s=21

[WhileTheChief..]

Talk about kicking a man when he’s down.

Hope we gets well soon and makes a full recovery.

[Kato]

Talk about kicking a man when he’s down.

Hope we gets well soon and makes a full recovery.Freudian as.

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[neil7908]

Talk about kicking a man when he’s down.

Hope we gets well soon and makes a full recovery.

He's done much, much worse.

[Moulin Yarns]

Ayrshire advertiser puts it into perspective.


The owner of the luxurious Ayrshire resort has tested positive for COVID-19
https://t.co/eIimDPsKae

[lapsedhibee]

Ayrshire advertiser puts it into perspective.


The owner of the luxurious Ayrshire resort has tested positive for COVID-19
https://t.co/eIimDPsKae

:greengrin

[Hibs Class]

He's done much, much worse.

Not least his reaction when Hilary Clinton got pneumonia during the 2016 campaign.

[Hibernia&Alba]

He's only displaying mild symptoms. Though concerning for a man his age, the early signs point to a speedy recovery. I just hope one of those 'mild symptoms' is explosive diarrhoea. :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

He's only displaying mild symptoms. Though concerning for a man his age, the early signs point to a speedy recovery. I just hope one of those 'mild symptoms' is explosive diarrhoea. :greengrin

He's had that for years.


Ohhh... from that end??? 😆

[neil7908]

He's only displaying mild symptoms. Though concerning for a man his age, the early signs point to a speedy recovery. I just hope one of those 'mild symptoms' is explosive diarrhoea. :greengrin

That's a bit of a common misconception. The severity of early symptoms are not necessarily an indicator of someone not developing serious complications later.

The crucial bit seems to occur around 1 week after infection. Most people get better but some appear to quite quickly deteriorate, even if they have been doing OK.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/02/trumps-age-and-weight-may-cause-covid-19-complications-doctors-say

[Glory Lurker]

Ayrshire advertiser puts it into perspective.


The owner of the luxurious Ayrshire resort has tested positive for COVID-19
https://t.co/eIimDPsKae

That is class.

[Hibernia&Alba]

That's a bit of a common misconception. The severity of early symptoms are not necessarily an indicator of someone not developing serious complications later.

The crucial bit seems to occur around 1 week after infection. Most people get better but some appear to quite quickly deteriorate, even if they have been doing OK.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/02/trumps-age-and-weight-may-cause-covid-19-complications-doctors-say

True, it could develop into something more serious in the coming days. I'm not wishing the man anything life threatening, that's his M.O. He needs to survive so can he can go to jail.

[Ozyhibby]

Being airlifted to hospital now.


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[Pretty Boy]

Hospitalised.

There is essentially a hospital on site at the White House. If he is being moved then it's serious.

[Rocky]

Think that puts paid to the notion (which I held) that he was lying. Being hospitalised doesn't fit any useful narrative for him.

[weecounty hibby]

Think that puts paid to the notion (which I held) that he was lying. Being hospitalised doesn't fit any useful narrative for him.
It did Boris Johnson no harm.

[GlesgaeHibby]

https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1312142445581279232?s=19

Sounds like it's fairly serious.

[G B Young]

Hospitalised.

There is essentially a hospital on site at the White House. If he is being moved then it's serious.

Familiar sequence of events to Boris Johnson. If he ends up even half as seriously affected as the PM it could easily be the end of him, bearing in mind he's a lot older.

At the veery least I can foresee the election being put on hold.

[Rocky]

It did Boris Johnson no harm.

Johnson was never a full on denier. He was an idiot with the hospital handshakes etc but he never claimed it was a hoax. And he's not directly encouraging the anti mask brigade.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The conspiracy theories will go nuclear now, and it will addle the brains of his supporters who say COVID is a hoax. They will need new directions from Fox News.

[Rocky]

The conspiracy theories will go nuclear now, and it will addle the brains of his supporters who say COVID is a hoax. They will need new directions from Fox News.

I think Fox has created a little bit of distance from him, and I can't see Pence having the personality to whip up the crazies. They'll be like lab rats when the food buzzer runs out of batteries. Could be dangerous or could fizzle out.

[Pretty Boy]

You can just imagine his 1st public appearance after he gets out of hospital:

'I had serious covid. Very serious. I don't know but the doctors told me it was the worst case they had seen. All the other stuff is fake news. But they said listen this guy is a great fighter, really great. My uncle was a scientist so I understand this. Good brains, really great. The doctors, good people, said we'll try the things this guy suggested months ago and they worked. I'm not saying that's all there was to it but that's what I hear, people tell me that.'

[Glory Lurker]

Familiar sequence of events to Boris Johnson. If he ends up even half as seriously affected as the PM it could easily be the end of him, bearing in mind he's a lot older.

At the veery least I can foresee the election being put on hold.

I know nothing about the US constitution, but would be surprised if the founding fathers legislated for delays if one of the candidates was unwell.

[Hibernia&Alba]

You can just imagine his 1st public appearance after he gets out of hospital:

'I had serious covid. Very serious. I don't know but the doctors told me it was the worst case they had seen. All the other stuff is fake news. But they said listen this guy is a great fighter, really great. My uncle was a scientist so I understand this. Good brains, really great. The doctors, good people, said we'll try the things this guy suggested months ago and they worked. I'm not saying that's all there was to it but that's what I hear, people tell me that.'

Let's hope they don't inject him with disinfectant.

[Future17]

Let's hope they don't inject him with disinfectant.

Why not?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Why not?

Naughty :tee hee:

[Ozyhibby]

Familiar sequence of events to Boris Johnson. If he ends up even half as seriously affected as the PM it could easily be the end of him, bearing in mind he's a lot older.

At the veery least I can foresee the election being put on hold.

Election can’t be put on hold.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

Election can’t be put on hold.


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What if he (or any president) dies so close to an election?

[Tobias Funke]

The conspiracy theories will go nuclear now, and it will addle the brains of his supporters who say COVID is a hoax. They will need new directions from Fox News.

There’s one from democrat leaning/Trump hating commentators that Trump is faking having Covid, based on the fact he lies all the time.

There isn’t a hope in hell Trump would fake an illness that would quarantine him for possibly weeks thus removing him from his rallies/fundraisers where he gets his ego massaged talking to his base. I don’t understand why everything has to be a conspiracy.

[Hibernia&Alba]

There’s one from democrat leaning/Trump hating commentators that Trump is faking having Covid, based on the fact he lies all the time.

There isn’t a hope in hell Trump would fake an illness that would quarantine him for possibly weeks thus removing him from his rallies/fundraisers where he gets his ego massaged talking to his base. I don’t understand why everything has to be a conspiracy.

I don't think he's faking it. He has been downplaying/ignoring COVID from the start, so he isn't going to hospitalise himself with COVID now. His getting the virus only underlines what his irresponsible approach can lead to. The sad fact is there has been so much misinformation from Trump (over 16,000 verifiable lies since he became president) that nobody believes anything any longer. It is a sad state of affairs that it's come to this. His constant gaslighting has destroyed trust in the presidency and the media. It's a unique time, in which everything is dismissed as 'fake news'.

[Ozyhibby]

What if he (or any president) dies so close to an election?

Article on it here. It will be messy I think but I can’t see the Democrats allowing a delay to the election.


https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-2020-what-happens-if-trump-becomes-incapacitated-or-dies-12087574


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[Sylar]

Article on it here. It will be messy I think but I can’t see the Democrats allowing a delay to the election.


https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-2020-what-happens-if-trump-becomes-incapacitated-or-dies-12087574


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Nor should they - Clinton was given no delay or mercy when she had pneumonia right before the 2016 election. In fact, Trump used it as a stick to beat her with.

[Future17]

Naughty :tee hee:

Surely he would just get a (very) clean bill of health. :greengrin

[Future17]

You can just imagine his 1st public appearance after he gets out of hospital:

'I had serious covid. Very serious. I don't know but the doctors told me it was the worst case they had seen. All the other stuff is fake news. But they said listen this guy is a great fighter, really great. My uncle was a scientist so I understand this. Good brains, really great. The doctors, good people, said we'll try the things this guy suggested months ago and they worked. I'm not saying that's all there was to it but that's what I hear, people tell me that.'

The most annoying thing about this is that he'll just use it as an excuse if he loses.

[Colr]

Familiar sequence of events to Boris Johnson. If he ends up even half as seriously affected as the PM it could easily be the end of him, bearing in mind he's a lot older.

At the veery least I can foresee the election being put on hold.

Trump is more at risk than Johnson. He’s older, fatter and according to his tax returns, he’s also in a low income bracket.

[Future17]

Trump is more at risk than Johnson. He’s older, fatter and according to his tax returns, he’s also in a low income bracket.

:top marks

[G B Young]

Election can’t be put on hold.


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The BBC report I watched said it's possible to delay it by an Act of Congress, but that would require Democrat support so probably unlikely.

However, if Trump's condition were to deteriorate to the extent that he's incapacitated for the length of time the PM was (or worse) I wonder if there would be a more sympathetic response from the Democrats.

Edit: Sorry, just seen you've since posted a link about this.

[G B Young]

What if he (or any president) dies so close to an election?

Pretty sure Pence would step into the role. I think there's a constitutional amendment which sets out the precise procedure.

[Moulin Yarns]

You can just imagine his 1st public appearance after he gets out of hospital:

'I had serious covid. Very serious. I don't know but the doctors told me it was the worst case they had seen. All the other stuff is fake news. But they said listen this guy is a great fighter, really great. My uncle was a scientist so I understand this. Good brains, really great. The doctors, good people, said we'll try the things this guy suggested months ago and they worked. I'm not saying that's all there was to it but that's what I hear, people tell me that.'

I was treated with this great medicine, really good, they call it NaOCl. Don't know what that means or even how to pronounce it but it works, it really works, it really cleaned up the virus, if there is a virus, but it cleaned it up real good. They told me it it kills 99% of all known germs.

[Ozyhibby]

Pretty sure Pence would step into the role. I think there's a constitutional amendment which sets out the precise procedure.

I think he steps in to the role of president but not the role of candidate. The republicans would need to nominate a new candidate.


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[matty_f]

You can just imagine his 1st public appearance after he gets out of hospital:

'I had serious covid. Very serious. I don't know but the doctors told me it was the worst case they had seen. All the other stuff is fake news. But they said listen this guy is a great fighter, really great. My uncle was a scientist so I understand this. Good brains, really great. The doctors, good people, said we'll try the things this guy suggested months ago and they worked. I'm not saying that's all there was to it but that's what I hear, people tell me that.'

:faf: i think that’ll be very close to it, really.

Trump always sounds like he’s reading a script from BrassEye.

[G B Young]

I think he steps in to the role of president but not the role of candidate. The republicans would need to nominate a new candidate.


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That sounds right according to this:

https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-2020-what-happens-if-trump-becomes-incapacitated-or-dies-12087574

Hard to see how they could organise a new candidate/ballot in time, especially as there have been many postal votes already cast.

Hopefully it won't come to that. Trump's a bampot but I wouldn't wish the worst on anyone.

[Moulin Yarns]

That sounds right according to this:

https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-2020-what-happens-if-trump-becomes-incapacitated-or-dies-12087574

Hard to see how they could organise a new candidate/ballot in time, especially as there have been many postal votes already cast.

Hopefully it won't come to that. Trump's a bampot but I wouldn't wish the worst on anyone.

Yeah, but remember the postal votes are to be discounted in the event of a Democrat win. :wink:

[WhileTheChief..]

Definitely more serious than what the White House is reporting.

Doubt he’ll be back there as President again.

[lapsedhibee]

Doubt he’ll be back there as President again.

:pray:

[makaveli1875]

Trump is more at risk than Johnson. He’s older, fatter and according to his tax returns, he’s also in a low income bracket.

Boris is podgy but he cycles . plays alot of tennis and probably eats well. Donald sounds like a slob that lives on big macs , pizza and the odd round of golf

[Bristolhibby]

Boris is podgy but he cycles . plays alot of tennis and probably eats well. Donald sounds like a slob that lives on big macs , pizza and the odd round of golf

Doesn’t drink though. Johnson does, case point being him smashing up his girlfriends flat. Not the action of someone unless he was “in his cups”.

J

[Ozyhibby]

A third republican senator now infected. If they end up hospitalised then they may not have the numbers to get their Supreme Court pick through.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

Pretty sure Pence would step into the role. I think there's a constitutional amendment which sets out the precise procedure.

Yes, if a president dies in office, the VP automatically takes his place. Next in line is speaker of the House. When it's so close to an election, it would surely create an issue, as many Americans have already used early voting and Pence's name wasn't on the ballot for president. Some of them might want to change their vote in that situation. Would everyone have to vote again, or, by voting early are you also committing to vote for the VP as president in the event of death before election day?

[Sir David Gray]

Statement to be made by Trump's doctor at 4pm BST.

[Hibrandenburg]

Yes, if a president dies in office, the VP automatically takes his place. Next in line is speaker of the House. When it's so close to an election, it would surely create an issue, as many Americans have already used early voting and Pence's name wasn't on the ballot for president. Some of them might want to change their vote in that situation. Would everyone have to vote again, or, by voting early are you also committing to vote for the VP as president in the event of death before election day?

How many have to snuff it before Tom Kirkman is in line?

[Keith_M]

Talk about kicking a man when he’s down.

Hope we gets well soon and makes a full recovery.


"It is what it is"

[SHODAN]

Yes, if a president dies in office, the VP automatically takes his place. Next in line is speaker of the House. When it's so close to an election, it would surely create an issue, as many Americans have already used early voting and Pence's name wasn't on the ballot for president. Some of them might want to change their vote in that situation. Would everyone have to vote again, or, by voting early are you also committing to vote for the VP as president in the event of death before election day?

I imagine the election would have to be postponed and Pelosi would become acting President in the meantime.

[lapsedhibee]

Yes, if a president dies in office, the VP automatically takes his place. Next in line is speaker of the House. When it's so close to an election, it would surely create an issue, as many Americans have already used early voting and Pence's name wasn't on the ballot for president. Some of them might want to change their vote in that situation. Would everyone have to vote again, or, by voting early are you also committing to vote for the VP as president in the event of death before election day?

Republicans don't mind voting for a dead guy. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-hof-idUSKCN1NC1YT)

[stoneyburn hibs]

Republicans don't mind voting for a dead guy. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-hof-idUSKCN1NC1YT)

Easy victory, he was up against a Romanov.

[Northernhibee]

I hope it’s not fatal with him. I want him to suffer the most humiliating end to his presidency possible and that starts with him being rejected by the American people and his party. Then I want him to be exposed for the lying, racist, traitorous, stupid fraud that he is. I want him to be left with none of the image he’d so desperately tried to create for himself. I want him in prison, bankrupt and broken as a monument to what happens when you vote for populist politicians.

No chance do I want him to have to step down because of this (or worse). Then he becomes a martyr to his followers.

[Pretty Boy]

So either Trumps doctor can't count in multiples of 12 or he is lying about how long he has know he is positive for.

[Hibbyradge]

I'm hating that myself for feeling disappointed every time I read that "he's doing well".

I don't mean that I'm actively wishing death upon him, but I don't want him emerging from this quickly then announcing that he's some sort of superman.

[Bristolhibby]

A third republican senator now infected. If they end up hospitalised then they may not have the numbers to get their Supreme Court pick through.


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That would be jucily ironic.

J

[neil7908]

So either Trumps doctor can't count in multiples of 12 or he is lying about how long he has know he is positive for.

There's something fishy going on. They are all over the place on the time line, which should be the simplest thing in the world to confirm.

And now the information on his condition is also completely inconsistent.

It wouldn't surprise me if they knew about it and have tried to cover it up in the hope he would be able to get through it unscathed. They probably only went public as he started to get serious issues.

[Sylar]

There's something fishy going on. They are all over the place on the time line, which should be the simplest thing in the world to confirm.

And now the information on his condition is also completely inconsistent.

It wouldn't surprise me if they knew about it and have tried to cover it up in the hope he would be able to get through it unscathed. They probably only went public as he started to get serious issues.

Suggestion is that he's had this since before the debate, as has M******. She entered the debate wearing a mask while sitting next to the ***** family, but took her mask off when she spoke to Biden.

[Hibernia&Alba]

That doctor had clearly been told what he could and couldn't say. He must have been told that under no circumstances must he say that Trump had been given oxygen at any point, such was the way he danced around the questions. Mustn't have the strong man looking old and vulnerable. Really weird.

[BroxburnHibee]

Suggestion is that he's had this since before the debate, as has M******. She entered the debate wearing a mask while sitting next to the ***** family, but took her mask off when she spoke to Biden.

So she deliberately tried to pass it on to Biden?

[Sylar]

So she deliberately tried to pass it on to Biden?

That's my interpretation from what I've read on my Twitter timeline, but I hasten to add it's obviously an echo chamber for my own 'liberal' views, and it could be utter nonsense. I'd also stress this is not my own analysis, but it seems plausible when you see the clips of her sitting with it on in the crowd but not when she meets Biden.

[Kato]

24015

[RyeSloan]

That doctor had clearly been told what he could and couldn't say. He must have been told that under no circumstances must he say that Trump had been given oxygen at any point, such was the way he danced around the questions. Mustn't have the strong man looking old and vulnerable. Really weird.

Don’t think it’s weird at all.

All of this completely undermines everything Trump has said and portrayed about the virus.

It’s of little surprise then that it appears they kept his positive test under wraps until they had no option, due to his deteriorating health, to announce it.

They clearly hoped to just ignore it and carry in regardless, as his trips to fund raiser etc show.

I know that none of this makes any difference to his base vote but even they must be getting confused about how the hoax appears to be actually real after all.

[Hibrandenburg]

Trumps latest tweeted video seems to show him in good health.

[Tobias Funke]

Trumps latest tweeted video seems to show him in good health.

He’s in good spirits but he doesn’t look well, but it’s a horrible virus so that’s to be expected. Next few days are crucial, we saw BJ make similar videos in the early days of his illness and he ended up
in a bad way, Trumps move to hospital at early stages is a wise move.

[Iain G]

Trumps latest tweeted video seems to show him in good health.

He sounds even more the total narcissistic **** wit than ever in that video, he is being treated in hospital and he is still doing the snake oil salesman routine and taking about miracles being sent from god and how he is fighting for all people around the world?

He has no humanity or humility.

You got the virus because you ignored the simple rules you self obsessed ****.

[hibsbollah]

Everyone’s forgotten about the news yesterday that the US President has just committed hundreds of millions of dollars of tax fraud.

[lapsedhibee]

Everyone’s forgotten about the news yesterday that the US President has just committed hundreds of millions of dollars of tax fraud.
IRS won't have though. Hiya Hector. :flag:

[Future17]

He sounds even more the total narcissistic **** wit than ever in that video, he is being treated in hospital and he is still doing the snake oil salesman routine and taking about miracles being sent from god and how he is fighting for all people around the world?

He has no humanity or humility.

You got the virus because you ignored the simple rules you self obsessed ****.

And his supporters are now holding rallies ignoring those simple rules.

[Bostonhibby]

24015Half of Americans probably think Ronald Macdonald has died.

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[RyeSloan]

Half of Americans probably think Ronald Macdonald has died.

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He has! OK it was 2003 and it’s maybe a bit late to be mourning him but none the less he is gone.

[Iain G]

He has! OK it was 2003 and it’s maybe a bit late to be mourning him but none the less he is gone.

Which clown are we talking about? 😁

[Bostonhibby]

He has! OK it was 2003 and it’s maybe a bit late to be mourning him but none the less he is gone.That's a real shame, he'd have made a fine president and commander in chief.

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[Mr Grieves]

Trump currently being driven around with a bunch of secret service agents in a hermetically sealed car so he can wave to his supporters....

[Callum_62]

Trump currently being driven around with a bunch of secret service agents in a hermetically sealed car so he can wave to his supporters....Lol

Murica.

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[Ozyhibby]

Trump currently being driven around with a bunch of secret service agents in a hermetically sealed car so he can wave to his supporters....

It’s like ‘Weekend at Bernies’.[emoji23]


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[RyeSloan]

As suspected Trump already making light of the matter.

Seems all you need to do to feel 20 years younger is to catch Covid!

[Ronniekirk]

As suspected Trump already making light of the matter.

Seems all you need to do to feel 20 years younger is to catch Covid!

And leaving hospital to go drive about outside hospital to wave to his fans
It’s hard not to think this is the master of Fake News milking the situation for all it’s worth


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[Kato]

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313445293912920064

...and beyond...?

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[Ozyhibby]

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313445293912920064

...and beyond...?

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Desperate stuff. It’s going to get worse as well as he has falling another 1.4% behind in the polls since the debates.


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[Kato]

Desperate stuff. It’s going to get worse as well as he has falling another 1.4% behind in the polls since the debates.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkEven more ramblier, guffier than his normal rambling guff.

Must have been some cocktail they spiked him with.

Same thing happened once Old Adolf hit the needle.

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[lapsedhibee]

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313445293912920064

...and beyond...?


He's probably talking about babies/foetuses born alive after failed abortions being allowed to die.

[Pretty Boy]

I occasionally peruse a couple of traditionalist Catholic blogs and the comments reference the 'abortion after birth' thing from time to time.

It relates to some fringe radical feminist group who suggested if a baby was born with a disability that wasn't discovered pre birth then the 'right to choose' should extend to that point. It was referenced in a medical journal as an ethical consideration or similar

It's not a mainstream viewpoint among the pro choice netweorks but the zealots seem to have latched on to it. Trump is just an idiot looking to play up to the so called 'Christian' right.

[Hibernia&Alba]

https://youtu.be/4tZVnbDq9B4

[lapsedhibee]

Donald Trump has posted a new video from the White House, which begins with him addressing seniors and explaining that he is a senior. “I know you don’t know that, nobody knows that,” Trump said.

[Hibs Class]

The good news this morning is that Trump hasn't been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize so cannot politicise that during the campaign (although there's still every possibility he'll claim it was either a Dems fix or that he came a close second)

[hibsbollah]

Donald Trump has posted a new video from the White House, which begins with him addressing seniors and explaining that he is a senior. “I know you don’t know that, nobody knows that,” Trump said.

He’s reaching out to them in desperation because he knows that the over 65s are his core, and they are turning away from him because of Covid. Particularly in a few key swing states that have had high death rates.

[matty_f]

What's the consensus on whether or not he actually had covid? His recovery from it is remarkable.

[Ozyhibby]

What's the consensus on whether or not he actually had covid? His recovery from it is remarkable.

I think he did have it and I don’t think his recovery is that remarkable. Apart from having amazing health care, most people even his age do recover from it now. That’s not me playing down the virus, just that it doesn’t kill everyone.


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[Dan Sarf]

What's the consensus on whether or not he actually had covid? His recovery from it is remarkable.


I think it's the steroids he's been given that are making him feel great.

But I suspect he's still got Covid (he appears to be having some trouble breathing) and has a bad time to come. Don't want him to die. Just b**gg*r off.

Oh, and then go broke.

[Onceinawhile]

I think he did have it and I don’t think his recovery is that remarkable. Apart from having amazing health care, most people even his age do recover from it now. That’s not me playing down the virus, just that it doesn’t kill everyone.


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Likewise, definitely think he had it. Not convinced he's fully over it though and he's most likely just fronting up for cameras and a wreck behind closed doors.

[BroxburnHibee]

Not convinced he had it. He's a master of manipulation. Remember the week leading up to his diagnosis.

Not seeing much about that now.

[Hibrandenburg]

What's the consensus on whether or not he actually had covid? His recovery from it is remarkable.

There's nothing to fear from this virus. The moment you become symptomatic, simply jump in you helicopter and go straight to the best hospital in your area. Don't forget to ask for the 6 room suite with 24hr medical team to pamper your every need and give you the latest medication and treatment available. After you've returned home please be sure to stay in your fully staffed inhouse medical facility and send the bill to the government. That's how easy it is.

[Jim44]

Sorry if already posted:

James Corden’s parody of Paul McCartney’s ‘Maybe I’m Amazed’.

https://youtu.be/5C76XMCJCVs

[Future17]

Trump currently being driven around with a bunch of secret service agents in a hermetically sealed car so he can wave to his supporters....

If it really was hermetically-sealed, the ideal scenario would have been that they drove him around a bit longer.

[Keith_M]

So, he's now saying that he recovered from Covid and is now 'immune'?

Those 215,000 people that died from it in the US obviously just made bad choices. You know, like the ones that didn't manage to get out of joining the army by pretending to be have bad feet.... Losers

[DaveF]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6rBb_n6JJYY

This guy does some cracking tunes.

[Keith_M]

Now he's claiming he's tested negative.


So, he either beat the virus completely and his body removed all traces of it within ten days... or he never had it in the first place.

[matty_f]

Now he's claiming he's tested negative.


So, he either beat the virus completely and his body removed all traces of it within ten days... or he never had it in the first place.
I don't know how anyone can take him seriously, he's just a liar, he can't help himself - virtually everything he says is a lie.

Would someone who had just had Covid usually test negative for it so soon after having symptoms serious enough to put them in hospital?

[Hibs Class]

He also claimed again that he's now immune....the same day this story broke:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034

[hibeedc]

Now he's claiming he's tested negative.


So, he either beat the virus completely and his body removed all traces of it within ten days... or he never had it in the first place.

Would that be the miracle from god.

[Keith_M]

Would that be the miracle from god.


That must be the one, yeah.

I just hope the voters in the US remember that, "he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"

[Tobias Funke]

I don't know how anyone can take him seriously, he's just a liar, he can't help himself - virtually everything he says is a lie.

Would someone who had just had Covid usually test negative for it so soon after having symptoms serious enough to put them in hospital?

The majority of folk who take him seriously are the low IQ cult followers that make up his base. Thick as pigsh*t.

[heretoday]

Biden had better get his ass in gear because this guy is getting all the publicity and he is getting none.

Ergo - Trump is gonna win.

[HibernianJK]

Biden had better get his ass in gear because this guy is getting all the publicity and he is getting none.

Ergo - Trump is gonna win.

That’s not really how it work.

[I'm_cabbaged]

I don't know how anyone can take him seriously, he's just a liar, he can't help himself - virtually everything he says is a lie.

Would someone who had just had Covid usually test negative for it so soon after having symptoms serious enough to put them in hospital?
I think there’s a window of 72 hrs from the first signs of infection to get accurate results. Maybe never had it at all?

[Future17]

Biden had better get his ass in gear because this guy is getting all the publicity and he is getting none.

Ergo - Trump is gonna win.

Biden should probably just kill someone. That would guarantee the presidency. :aok:

[Keith_M]

The majority of folk who take him seriously are the low IQ cult followers that make up his base. Thick as pigsh*t.


I have cousins in the US and they all have College Degrees.

Because of their hatred for the Democrats... and all those darn lefties... every one of them would still vote republican if Ted Bundy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy) was the presidential candidate.

[Ozyhibby]

I have cousins in the US and they all have College Degrees.

Because of their hatred for the Democrats... and all those darn lefties... every one of them would still vote republican if Ted Bundy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy) was the presidential candidate.

Among people with degrees, they are very much a minority in the US.


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[Hibby70]

I have cousins in the US and they all have College Degrees.

Because of their hatred for the Democrats... and all those darn lefties... every one of them would still vote republican if Ted Bundy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy) was the presidential candidate.
Trumps probably responsible for more deaths than Bundy mind you

[lapsedhibee]

Trumps probably responsible for more deaths than Bundy mind you
And more to come:
https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1316476489974648841

[Future17]

I see Trump's latest Supreme Court nominee declined to answer whether she thinks climate change is happening as it's too contentious. :rolleyes:

[danhibees1875]

I'd only seen bits and pieces of trump's tweets when retweeted by one of the few people I follow or posted on here but I decided to actively follow him the other day... Wow. I've had to think it a few times - perhaps every time I see or hear from him - but I just can't believe he's president of the US.

[Keith_M]

I see Trump's latest Supreme Court nominee declined to answer whether she thinks climate change is happening as it's too contentious. :rolleyes:


She declined to answer a number of things, resorting to the 'not that I recollect' nonsense used nowadays to avoid giving an honest answer.

[Bristolhibby]

She declined to answer a number of things, resorting to the 'not that I recollect' nonsense used nowadays to avoid giving an honest answer.

Democrats just need to add another 4 judges. Jobs a good un.

Also bring in 10 year terms.

J

[Future17]

Democrats just need to add another 4 judges. Jobs a good un.

Also bring in 10 year terms.

J

I read this morning that Biden failed to answer questions (during last night's event) about what he would do with the Supreme Court if elected. :rolleyes:

[hibsbollah]

I read this morning that Biden failed to answer questions (during last night's event) about what he would do with the Supreme Court if elected. :rolleyes:

Remember when Al Gore conceded the Florida ‘chad election’ and the presidency on the basis of a decision of partisan Republican judges? In the bogus ‘national interest’?
Time to take the gloves off and appoint the extra liberal judges.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201016/8708ff2fc80300876f9f29935101048b.jpg

He retweeted a story from a satire site because he thought it was true.
They used to call that job Leader of the Free World. [emoji23]


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[ballengeich]

He retweeted a story from a satire site because he thought it was true.
They used to call that job Leader of the Free World. [emoji23]


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So he retweeted when he believed Twitter was down?

[Ozyhibby]

So he retweeted when he believed Twitter was down?

He is a very stable genius after all.


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[weecounty hibby]

So he retweeted when he believed Twitter was down?

That is the power of the man. Only he can tweet when twitter is down. Superhuman!!

[Mikey]

He had a fantastic opportunity to put an end to Qanon last night and didn't take it. Their votes are more important to him.

[Jones28]

He had a fantastic opportunity to put an end to Qanon last night and didn't take it. Their votes are more important to him.

It was spectacularly bad. I was sceptical about the situation but after that Biden can’t lose.

[Kato]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201016/8708ff2fc80300876f9f29935101048b.jpg

He retweeted a story from a satire site because he thought it was true.
They used to call that job Leader of the Free World. [emoji23]


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Fake fake News.

[Callum_62]

For a guy obsessed with ratings, this has to cut deep

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1317169416002482182?s=19

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[BroxburnHibee]

Watched a bit of the Biden town hall. He does stumble at times but he's miles better than Trump.

[jonty]

Trump the business man.
Paying China more in tax than he does his own country. Those pesky IRS...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54625422

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/thegarance/status/1318951063622397955?s=19

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[Bristolhibby]

Remember when Al Gore conceded the Florida ‘chad election’ and the presidency on the basis of a decision of partisan Republican judges? In the bogus ‘national interest’?
Time to take the gloves off and appoint the extra liberal judges.

Just to contradict myself, the fear is if the Dems pack the court the GOP will do the same when they are in power.

One solution I read was 18 year terms. That would mean that two GOP judges will be up for replacement straight away. Then another by the end of his term. That would be much more effective.

J

[AltheHibby]

Just to contradict myself, the fear is if the Dems pack the court the GOP will do the same when they are in power.

One solution I read was 18 year terms. That would mean that two GOP judges will be up for replacement straight away. Then another by the end of his term. That would be much more effective.

J

Judges picked for their ability to apply the law fairly rather than for their political leanings would be even more effective.

[Future17]

Judges picked for their ability to apply the law fairly rather than for their political leanings would be even more effective.

I don't think applying the law is the problem. It's interpreting certain areas of the law (and arguably making it) which is the concern.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i watched the first episode of the donald trump show on iptv last night, i actually dislike him even more now :greengrin his theatrics for the "showdown" meeting with rocket man was hilariously pathetic.


My bet on biden, who i dislike as well, looks very safe

[BroxburnHibee]

Whats the odds on him walking out first time his mic is muted tonight?

[AltheHibby]

I don't think applying the law is the problem. It's interpreting certain areas of the law (and arguably making it) which is the concern.

I think we agree here. Interpreting is a better word than applying, but (honestly) that's what I was thinking. I just mispoke!

[marinello59]

Trump looks even more deranged when he is trying to be reasonable. He pre-paid millions in tax. :greengrin

[Sylar]

I'd love to see a fact check from last night. Almost everything he said in the segment on climate change was total bollocks. Wind energy is too expensive, and has more emissions than natural gas...from the manufacture of the turbines...

Which is completely wrong, as wind energy has the lowest carbon emissions through its entire life cycle, and is one of the least expensive forms of renewables.

[Hibs Class]

I'd love to see a fact check from last night. Almost everything he said in the segment on climate change was total bollocks. Wind energy is too expensive, and has more emissions than natural gas...from the manufacture of the turbines...

Which is completely wrong, as wind energy has the lowest carbon emissions through its entire life cycle, and is one of the least expensive forms of renewables.

Don't think it addresses the point on wind specifically, but quite a lot of fact checking at this link.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/22/politics/fact-check-final-presidential-election-debate/index.html

[BroxburnHibee]

He told so many lies last night its gonna take quite a while to fact check it.

[Sylar]

Don't think it addresses the point on wind specifically, but quite a lot of fact checking at this link.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/22/politics/fact-check-final-presidential-election-debate/index.html

Great, thanks HC - exactly what I was looking for to confirm my suspicions (more generally).

[Ozyhibby]

Fact checking Trump is a complete waste of time. It doesn’t affect his level of support as it is just now. He is down to his core supporters now and I don’t think he will rise from where he is now. How many lies he tells does not matter to them.


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[Keith_M]

I finally understand his hatred of China.

They've actually been successful in making the guy pay some taxes.

[Bristolhibby]

I'd love to see a fact check from last night. Almost everything he said in the segment on climate change was total bollocks. Wind energy is too expensive, and has more emissions than natural gas...from the manufacture of the turbines...

Which is completely wrong, as wind energy has the lowest carbon emissions through its entire life cycle, and is one of the least expensive forms of renewables.

And the birds, don’t forget the birds.

(As thousands of American citizens are dying of COVID, and the President being pro hunting).

J

[JeMeSouviens]

Fact checking Trump is a complete waste of time. It doesn’t affect his level of support as it is just now. He is down to his core supporters now and I don’t think he will rise from where he is now. How many lies he tells does not matter to them.


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The polls have flatlined for months.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/

Short of Biden having a heart attack in the next 10 days, he wins.

[lapsedhibee]

And the birds, don’t forget the birds.


All the birds. If commies like Biden are allowed to build windmills, there will be no more birds.

[Hibrandenburg]

For those of you who have still not got their heads around how the US could possibly have elected a racist, misogynist liar like Trump, I highly recommended re-watching the Borat film from 2006, it all becomes perfectly clear after that.

[Pretty Boy]

For those of you who have still not got their heads around how the US could possibly have elected a racist, misogynist liar like Trump, I highly recommended re-watching the Borat film from 2006, it all becomes perfectly clear after that.

I watched it in preparation for the new one.

What was striking was that things that shocked me a decade or so ago didn't really have an impact anymore. That kind of rhetoric has moved into the mainstream. Those guys on the bus were hounded for what they said at the time. Now the President implies it is OK to say these things and people at his rallies proudly declare them for the camera. I'm sceptical a new film in the same vein can work, the news gives more of a platform to these voices than a satirical film ever could.

Anyway another debate that saw no massive disaster for Biden so he should be just about home and dry now.

[Colr]

Fact checking Trump is a complete waste of time. It doesn’t affect his level of support as it is just now. He is down to his core supporters now and I don’t think he will rise from where he is now. How many lies he tells does not matter to them.


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Maybe but it might help persuade those who do not support him to turn up and vote. No benefit of the doubt this time round.

[Keith_M]

Wind Farms actually do kill birds (and bats). What Trump, Putin and those of their ilk have avoided is comparing the numbers with those that die through other forms of power generation.

THIS (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48936941) article makes some interesting comparisons.


According to the article, domestic Cats kill an estimated 55 million birds in the UK every year.

Anybody that had a genuine interest in bird numbers would introduce a law banning Cats.

[Moulin Yarns]

Wind Farms actually do kill birds (and bats). What Trump, Putin and those of their ilk have avoided is comparing the numbers with those that die through other forms of power generation.

THIS (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48936941) article makes some interesting comparisons.


According to the article, domestic Cats kill an estimated 55 million birds in the UK every year.

Anybody that had a genuine interest in bird numbers would introduce a law banning Cats.

The proper location of wind farms, away from migratory routes of birds, mitigates against possible bird deaths. Early wind farms in the USA killed huge numbers due to lack of knowledge of migratory birds.

Other studies show that painting one blade a different colour can mitigate against bird strike.

Bats navigate by using linear features, such as hedges or the edge of woodland, there are minimum distance regulation for the location of turbines in relation to such features, mitigating against bat strikes.

[JeMeSouviens]

Wind Farms actually do kill birds (and bats). What Trump, Putin and those of their ilk have avoided is comparing the numbers with those that die through other forms of power generation.

THIS (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48936941) article makes some interesting comparisons.


According to the article, domestic Cats kill an estimated 55 million birds in the UK every year.

Anybody that had a genuine interest in bird numbers would introduce a law banning Cats.

Windfarms don't **** in other folks' gardens either. :rolleyes:

[jonty]

Wind Farms actually do kill birds (and bats). What Trump, Putin and those of their ilk have avoided is comparing the numbers with those that die through other forms of power generation.

THIS (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48936941) article makes some interesting comparisons.


According to the article, domestic Cats kill an estimated 55 million birds in the UK every year.

Anybody that had a genuine interest in bird numbers would introduce a law banning Cats.

And glass buildings. You know, like the one he lived in before the White House.

[Future17]

I think we agree here. Interpreting is a better word than applying, but (honestly) that's what I was thinking. I just mispoke!

Yeah, sorry, probably more my pedantry than anything else! It is a difficult situation though as people who are genuinely capable of making such major decisions objectively are probably few and far between.

[neil7908]

I watched it in preparation for the new one.

What was striking was that things that shocked me a decade or so ago didn't really have an impact anymore. That kind of rhetoric has moved into the mainstream. Those guys on the bus were hounded for what they said at the time. Now the President implies it is OK to say these things and people at his rallies proudly declare them for the camera. I'm sceptical a new film in the same vein can work, the news gives more of a platform to these voices than a satirical film ever could.

Anyway another debate that saw no massive disaster for Biden so he should be just about home and dry now.

It's scary. I just watched it as well and it's pretty tame what these randoms are saying compared to the rhetoric from mainstream politicians now. And not just Trump.

I watched the original film in horror but for others it seems to have been a rallying call to pursue the kind of views the film exposes.

[Hibrandenburg]

It's scary. I just watched it as well and it's pretty tame what these randoms are saying compared to the rhetoric from mainstream politicians now. And not just Trump.

I watched the original film in horror but for others it seems to have been a rallying call to pursue the kind of views the film exposes.

Just finished watching Borat 2 and the scene near the end with Rudy Giuliani would in normal times have meant the end of his career. "I was just tucking my shirt into my pants", aye right Rudy.

[theonlywayisup]

So, wonder if tomorrow is start of the end game!

[calumhibee1]

So, wonder if tomorrow is start of the end game!

I’ve said for a while now that he’s no chance.. now I’m starting to think he might somehow win again..

[theonlywayisup]

I listened to Joe Biden the other night. He spoke for four minutes; in my opinion he sounded more presidential in that four minutes than Donald Trump as in the previous four years. Biden talks about this being the "time to heal" the US and vows "not to divide but to unify". I hope the Americans give him a chance, but can see this all getting messy. Both in the short term with all the talk about legal challenges and in the medium/long term with a Republican Senate.

Back to Donald Trump, he once said the Barack Obama was the worst US president ever. I wonder how the historians will assess Trump's presidency!

[lapsedhibee]

I wonder how the historians will assess Trump's presidency!

Already been done on Twitter: 'The past is *****, the past is orange.'

[Keith_M]

Bat **** Crazy.

He's getting worse every day and needs locked up.

[Bostonhibby]

Already been done on Twitter: 'The past is *****, the past is orange.'His legacy will be the wall, big vote winner, senate majority and he never built it.

Not to mention the Donald Trump Coronavirus response.

Tells us more about how easily politicians can con the voters with big soundbites.

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[Keith_M]

His legacy will be the wall, big vote winner, senate majority and he never built it.

Not to mention the Donald Trump Coronavirus response.

Tells us more about how easily politicians can con the voters with big soundbites.
...


'Get Brexit Done'

[BroxburnHibee]

How much of his fence/wall was actually built?

Any chance it gets pulled down now?

[Ozyhibby]

How much of his fence/wall was actually built?

Any chance it gets pulled down now?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201108/74098067df824bb38512ef6f3f2c9bcd.jpg

9 whole extra miles. All fence. No actual wall.


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[jonty]

How much of his fence/wall was actually built?

Any chance it gets pulled down now?

between 3 and 15 miles of new wall (never existed before)
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/06/fact-check-donald-trump-built-more-border-wall-than-meme-claims/3437653001/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46824649

although its a fence, not a wall.
and he took $10bn from the DoD budget to do it.

[Bostonhibby]

How much of his fence/wall was actually built?

Any chance it gets pulled down now?Similar numbers to fraudulent postal votes by the sounds of it.

There's criminal charges pending over the funding as well.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-46824649

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[Hibs Class]

His legacy will be the wall, big vote winner, senate majority and he never built it.

Not to mention the Donald Trump Coronavirus response.

Tells us more about how easily politicians can con the voters with big soundbites.

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Well his legacy certainly won’t be the Paris Agreement. If Biden sticks to his word and recommits the USA to it on day one, then Trump will have managed to extract the country from it for c.10 weeks. Symbolically that’s a huge embarrassment for him.

[Bostonhibby]

Well his legacy certainly won’t be the Paris Agreement. If Biden sticks to his word and recommits the USA to it on day one, then Trump will have managed to extract the country from it for c.10 weeks. Symbolically that’s a huge embarrassment for him.Agreed, but to be embarrassed he'd need to have a conscience about his actions and be capable of shame.

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[BroxburnHibee]

Coronavirus task force set up ready to go will be announced tomorrow.

Paris decision will be be reversed.

Straight back into the WHO.

What else will Biden do pretty quickly?

[Pagan Hibernia]

Trump is the political equivalent of hearts. A bombastic obnoxious jobbie that just can’t accept he’s been flushed.

[CropleyWasGod]

Coronavirus task force set up ready to go will be announced tomorrow.

Paris decision will be be reversed.

Straight back into the WHO.

What else will Biden do pretty quickly?

Can he do that so soon?

[RyeSloan]

Can he do that so soon?

Was reading earlier that most of what Trump has done has been by executive order.

It appears that the new Pres can just rip them up and make his own ones and boom almost everything major that Trump ‘achieved’ is reversed almost immediately.

[BroxburnHibee]

Can he do that so soon?

The task force won't take effect until he's sworn in i believe and the others will be taken care of by Ex O's i would imagine.

[CropleyWasGod]

Was reading earlier that most of what Trump has done has been by executive order.

It appears that the new Pres can just rip them up and make his own ones and boom almost everything major that Trump ‘achieved’ is reversed almost immediately.

My point is that he's not in office until January. Can he do much before then?

[RyeSloan]

My point is that he's not in office until January. Can he do much before then?

Ahh sorry. Naaa not much at all apart from plan I reckon.

[G B Young]

My point is that he's not in office until January. Can he do much before then?

Not much until he's sworn in next year. Also faces the usual, often insurmountable frustrations that many presidents do if the Republicans retain control of the Senate.

As an aside, it's probably already been mentioned on either this or another thread, but I was reading up on Biden earlier and was bemused to see his 1988 bid for the presidency collapsed after plagiarising a speech by Neil Kinnock?!!

https://gvwire.com/2020/08/21/recalling-a-biden-campaign-derailed-by-false-claims-plagiarism/

[Kato]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvLTSv6XYAg9cxs?format=jpg&name=large

[Lendo]

Coronavirus task force set up ready to go will be announced tomorrow.

Paris decision will be be reversed.

Straight back into the WHO.

What else will Biden do pretty quickly?

Try to repair the Iranian Nuclear Deal (although this will cause a lot of friction with Israel and Saudi Arabia whom he might not want to piss off immediately)

[theonlywayisup]

I see that someone has changed the thread title to "(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump". However, I thought that all former presidents receive the title of “president” even after the leave office unless they hold another position such as congrerrmen/congresswomen.

[lapsedhibee]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvLTSv6XYAg9cxs?format=jpg&name=large

What's the Former President claiming there? That his TV show was cheated out of awards by fraudulent voting? :dunno:

[Kato]

What's the Former President claiming there? That his TV show was cheated out of awards by fraudulent voting? :dunno:Just an example of his narcissism when he erm, loses something.

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[Moulin Yarns]

I see that someone has changed the thread title to "(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump". However, I thought that all former presidents receive the title of “president” even after the leave office unless they hold another position such as congrerrmen/congresswomen.

I'm currently watching Designated Survivor and a former president is addressed as president.

[Keith_M]

I'm currently watching Designated Survivor and a former president is addressed as president.


There was a film called My Fellow Americans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Fellow_Americans) where two former Presidents (Jack Lemmon and James Garner) are being hunted down by the current President (Dan Ackroyd) and all three are referred to as 'Mr President'.

[lapsedhibee]

I'm currently watching Designated Survivor and a former president is addressed as president.

You wouldn't address someone as Former President, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't talk about Former Presidents.

[lapsedhibee]

There was a film called My Fellow Americans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Fellow_Americans) where two former Presidents (Jack Lemmon and James Garner) are being hunted down by the current President (Dan Ackroyd) and all three are referred to as 'Mr President'.

Do you mean 'addressed as' rather than 'referred to'?

[Bristolhibby]

My point is that he's not in office until January. Can he do much before then?

He can hold briefings, tell people to distance and wear masks. Basically give some more credibility to the messaging.

He can outline his plans and keep the public informed. Work up his Federal vaccine implemention plan, speak to health, military and logistics experts. Ensure that the States know they won’t have to eBay with other States for PPE and the likes.

All things that the incumbent has not done. True, he won’t have the mechanics of State yet, but he can get wheels in motion.

J

[Moulin Yarns]

Do you mean 'addressed as' rather than 'referred to'?

In Designated Survivor the current president addressed the former president as Mr president.

Like, once a president, always a president.

[lapsedhibee]

In Designated Survivor the current president addressed the former president as Mr president.

Like, once a president, always a president.

Yes, as a form of address. But there's nothing wrong with the current title of this thread.

[G B Young]

In Designated Survivor the current president addressed the former president as Mr president.

Like, once a president, always a president.

Yes, it's the same in the movie Frost vs Nixon. Nixon gets referred to throughout as Mr President despite resigning in disgrace.

As you say Trump will always be addressed as Mr President...and I guess as President Donald Trump should he run again and win in 2024!!

[Bostonhibby]

He can hold briefings, tell people to distance and wear masks. Basically give some more credibility to the messaging.

He can outline his plans and keep the public informed. Work up his Federal vaccine implemention plan, speak to health, military and logistics experts. Ensure that the States know they won’t have to eBay with other States for PPE and the likes.

All things that the incumbent has not done. True, he won’t have the mechanics of State yet, but he can get wheels in motion.

JSomebody needs to do something as the Loser who thinks he's a winner seems to think that if he is still running the country he can do it all by sulking round the golf course.

Shame on the Republican leaders for allowing this state of affairs to continue, especially over Trump's bizarre Covid "response " or lack of it.

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[Keith_M]

Do you mean 'addressed as' rather than 'referred to'?


Yep, that's what I meant.

:aok:

[G B Young]

He can hold briefings, tell people to distance and wear masks. Basically give some more credibility to the messaging.

He can outline his plans and keep the public informed. Work up his Federal vaccine implemention plan, speak to health, military and logistics experts. Ensure that the States know they won’t have to eBay with other States for PPE and the likes.

All things that the incumbent has not done. True, he won’t have the mechanics of State yet, but he can get wheels in motion.

J

Apparently the General Services Administration (GSA) is responsible for setting the transition process in motion. Until they officially recognise Biden as the winner the transition can't begin.

As far as I'm aware (might be wrong though) the GSA is an independent body so I'm not sure why they would be dragging their heels.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Yes, it's the same in the movie Frost vs Nixon. Nixon gets referred to throughout as Mr President despite resigning in disgrace.

As you say Trump will always be addressed as Mr President...and I guess as President Donald Trump should he run again and win in 2024!!

If he were to run in 2024 and win, could he defend that in 2028 and become a three term President?

*won't happen cos he'll either be banged up or drop dead hacking his way out the rough at the 16th hole somewhere.

[Hibbyradge]

Apparently the General Services Administration (GSA) is responsible for setting the transition process in motion. Until they officially recognise Biden as the winner the transition can't begin.

As far as I'm aware (might be wrong though) the GSA is an independent body so I'm not sure why they would be dragging their heels.

The counting hasn't finished? :dunno:

[McD]

If he were to run in 2024 and win, could he defend that in 2028 and become a three term President?

*won't happen cos he'll either be banged up or drop dead hacking his way out the rough at the 16th hole somewhere.


don't think he can, it’s a 2 term limit

[G B Young]

The counting hasn't finished? :dunno:

No that doesn't appear to be the reason. I'm guessing Trump has some influence on giving them the green light.

[G B Young]

If he were to run in 2024 and win, could he defend that in 2028 and become a three term President?

*won't happen cos he'll either be banged up or drop dead hacking his way out the rough at the 16th hole somewhere.

No he could only do four more years.

[G B Young]

Trump is the political equivalent of hearts. A bombastic obnoxious jobbie that just can’t accept he’s been flushed.


It might be the end of Trump (assuming he doesn't run again, which seems unlikely though not out of the question for somebody like him) but it's highly unlikely to be the end of 'Trumpism'.

Trump himself may be a bampot and we might like to write off his presidency as a one-off abberation, but it doesn't mean the 70 million Americans who voted for him are just going to roll over. Many of his ideas were clearly highly popular with a massive swathe of the population and it's easy to forget in the midst of a pandemic that pre-Covid the American economy was in robust shape, which raised wages for many low-skilled workers.

Trump's biggest allies were actually the intellectual left/liberal/metropolitan elite (call them what you will) who ignored the very voters who should have formed their natural heartland, but who ended up seeing Trump's offer as something mainstream politics had failed to provide them with. A similar 'forgotten majority' to those who ended up voting Britian out of the EU.

If the left continue to make the same mistakes (and they must have feared they'd done so as their expectations of a Biden landslide evaporated on election night) there's every chance of another populist surge.

[Radium]

https://twitter.com/lispower1/status/1325917802457391107?s=21

Shows how powerful media companies can be. Two weeks ago Fox would not have batted an eye and the allegations would have credibility simply by being aired. Taking the stream off and highlighting the lack of evidence exposes the weakness of the conspiracy being peddled


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[Ozyhibby]

Murdoch has always had the ability to switch horse when it suits his business interests. This is a clear sign that he sees Trump as dead in the water now. He’ll move very quickly to try discredit him as much as possible because he does not want Trump setting up his own network and taking all the crazies with him.


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[lapsedhibee]

Murdoch has always had the ability to switch horse when it suits his business interests. This is a clear sign that he sees Trump as dead in the water now. He’ll move very quickly to try discredit him as much as possible because he does not want Trump setting up his own network and taking all the crazies with him.


:agree: Times running a story against him. (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-was-asked-to-lie-about-hunter-biden-admits-ukrainian-businessman-853krxgtz)

[Keith_M]

There are a number of people, mostly politicians and newspaper columnists, that are suggesting that now is the time to heal divisions between the warring sides and try to build bridges with the Trump side and his supporters.

I totally agree that's the best approach... but Trump is currently making that impossible with his (totally predictable) Toys Out The Pram behaviour.


Surely most people that did vote Trump are embarrassed by the stuff that's coming out of his Twitter posts, and from his entourage?

[neil7908]

There are a number of people, mostly politicians and newspaper columnists, that are suggesting that now is the time to heal divisions between the warring sides and try to build bridges with the Trump side and his supporters.

I totally agree that's the best approach... but Trump is currently making that impossible with his (totally predictable) Toys Out The Pram behaviour.


Surely most people that did vote Trump are embarrassed by the stuff that's coming out of his Twitter posts, and from his entourage?

This is alway my concern when those on the left (not that the Democrats are much to the left) win. They are told they must embrace the country, listen to those that didn't vote with them, be moderate and compromise.

The right win and go for a hard Brexit, troll the left as Trump has done for years, and generally do what they want.

Right now Biden needs to govern as he believes is right, and worry less about Trump supporters. As you've noted, he and his team aren't allowing that to happen. I want to see the Democrats aggressively push their agenda and pursue whatever legal means they have to ensure crimes committed by Trump and his team are brought to justice.

It's a disgrace that Nixon was pardoned and it shouldn't be allowed to happen again.

[Bristolhibby]

This is alway my concern when those on the left (not that the Democrats are much to the left) win. They are told they must embrace the country, listen to those that didn't vote with them, be moderate and compromise.

The right win and go for a hard Brexit, troll the left as Trump has done for years, and generally do what they want.

Right now Biden needs to govern as he believes is right, and worry less about Trump supporters. As you've noted, he and his team aren't allowing that to happen. I want to see the Democrats aggressively push their agenda and pursue whatever legal means they have to ensure crimes committed by Trump and his team are brought to justice.

It's a disgrace that Nixon was pardoned and it shouldn't be allowed to happen again.

Good point.

Statehood for DC and Puerto Rico for a start. Try and balance the Senate out a bit.

J

[Hibbyradge]

I've still got this horrible nagging feeling...

[Moulin Yarns]

I've still got this horrible nagging feeling...

Have you seen a doctor? 😷😉

[Bristolhibby]

I've still got this horrible nagging feeling...

Interestingly I’ve still got a cash out option on my Republicans winning the election bet.

J

[Hibbyradge]

Interestingly I’ve still got a cash out option on my Republicans winning the election bet.

J

Really? I'd have grabbed that a couple of days ago but now I'm not so sure.

[lapsedhibee]

Really? I'd have grabbed that a couple of days ago but now I'm not so sure.

Nah.Trump's not getting re-elected. All this legal pish is just the orange moron coming to terms with his grief.

[Callum_62]

Nah.Trump's not getting re-elected. All this legal pish is just the orange moron coming to terms with his grief.And squeezing some cash out of the population

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[lapsedhibee]

And squeezing some cash out of the population


Let's hear it for the grifter!

[BroxburnHibee]

And squeezing some cash out of the population

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Yep think I read it says in the small print on all these fundraisers that it can be used to pay off campaign debts.

[Ronniekirk]

I know some people that are spouting out trumps rhetoric and claiming the vote was rigged Dead people voted and Trump is the winner and the Courts will find fir him
One is losing friends as they believe they are speaking the truth and others are wrong
Frightening stuff
Can’t understand why someone is getting so worked up about the American Election when the Tories are acting the way they are ffs


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[JimBHibees]

I know some people that are spouting out trumps rhetoric and claiming the vote was rigged Dead people voted and Trump is the winner and the Courts will find fir him
One is losing friends as they believe they are speaking the truth and others are wrong
Frightening stuff
Can’t understand why someone is getting so worked up about the American Election when the Tories are acting the way they are ffs


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We have a guy in our work who has always been seen as a little odd (quite religious though not that this would explain the oddness:greengrin) however one of my colleagues who he barely knows said the guy was discussing the election and he was very exercised by it all on how Trump was being badly treated in the media and that it was hugely important that he were to win. Seems strange to be that bothered.

[lapsedhibee]

We have a guy in our work who has always been seen as a little odd (quite religious though not that this would explain the oddness:greengrin) however one of my colleagues who he barely knows said the guy was discussing the election and he was very exercised by it all on how Trump was being badly treated in the media and that it was hugely important that he were to win. Seems strange to be that bothered.

Trump's hold on some people does seem messianic.

[Callum_62]

The claim so far seems to be they cheated so I lost

Wheres is should be

Here evidnece that shows I've been cheated and hence why I lost

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[JimBHibees]

Trump's hold on some people does seem messianic.

It does as he is an intelligent person but apparently wouldn't consider any of Trumps weaker points at all when questioned about them. Very strange

[lapsedhibee]

The claim so far seems to be they cheated so I lost


Hadn't realised that he claimed all the same sort of stuff in 2016, when he wasn't a complete :loser:

From the Washington Post then:

"President-elect Donald Trump spent Sunday ridiculing Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign for joining a recount effort in Wisconsin, ending his day on Twitter by parroting a widely debunked conspiracy theory that her campaign benefited from massive voter fraud.

As his senior advisers engaged in an escalating feud over who the next secretary of state should be, Trump focused publicly on Clinton’s tally of 64 million votes — more than 2 million beyond what he garnered — by suggesting without evidence that millions of people illegally voted in the election.

“In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally,” Trump tweeted late Sunday, one of more than 10 tweets on the recount issue.

That accusation — spread by conspiracy sites such as *Infowars.com and discredited by fact-checking organizations — gained traction among some far-right conservatives disappointed that Trump lost the popular vote."

[Hibrandenburg]

Trump's hold on some people does seem messianic.

He has a magnetic appeal to a whole range of weirdos because he panders to their racism, bigotry, extremist religious views, paranoia, conspiracies and greed. They are all desperate to be legitimized and the best thing they can all hope for is to be able to say "My views are not weird because the president shares them". It doesn't bother them in the slightest that he probably doesn't really hold similar weird views, it's enough that their weird views are legitimized.

[lapsedhibee]

He has a magnetic appeal to a whole range of weirdos because he panders to their racism, bigotry, extremist religious views, paranoia, conspiracies and greed. They are all desperate to be legitimized and the best thing they can all hope for is to be able to say "My views are not weird because the president shares them". It doesn't bother them in the slightest that he probably doesn't really hold similar weird views, it's enough that their weird views are legitimized.

In the 'paranoia' category ... https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1326323889417322497 (https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1326323889417322497)

[CropleyWasGod]

In the 'paranoia' category ... https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1326323889417322497 (https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1326323889417322497)

He starts with the words "I stand here...."

He's sitting down, no? :greengrin


And then quotes a Muslim.....:cb

[lapsedhibee]

He starts with the words "I stand here...."

He's sitting down, no? :greengrin


And then quotes a Muslim.....:cb

His eyes are jumping about as if the cue cards his captors are making him read aloud are too big.

[hibsbollah]

In the 'paranoia' category ... https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1326323889417322497 (https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1326323889417322497)

Sad to see that, great actor, Runaway Train is a particular favourite. You just want to ask these people; where is the actual evidence? That’s the obvious question.

[lapsedhibee]

You just want to ask these people; where is the actual evidence?

:tsk tsk: Satan works in mysterious ways.

[Rumble de Thump]

The Republican politicians and their lickspittles have taken gaslighting to an extremely dangerous and damaging level. But it has become so commonplace that it's difficult to see how there will be any repercusions for them.

[J-C]

In the 'paranoia' category ... https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1326323889417322497 (https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1326323889417322497)

Jeezo, even famous actors are complete loonies too, I'm still bamboozled how the USA became this world superpower when it's full of weirdos and eejits.

[ballengeich]

Sad to see that, great actor, Runaway Train is a particular favourite. You just want to ask these people; where is the actual evidence? That’s the obvious question.
The President has said it's true. What further evidence do you need?

[lapsedhibee]

The President has said it's true. What further evidence do you need?

Wouldn't believe something just on his say-so. Would want it backed up by Tucker Carlson before I could be sure it's true. :agree:

[Hibbyradge]

Wouldn't believe something just on his say-so. Would want it backed up by Tucker Carlson before I could be sure it's true. :agree:

I'm waiting till Piers Morgan gets back.

[Hibs Class]

Jeezo, even famous actors are complete loonies too, I'm still bamboozled how the USA became this world superpower when it's full of weirdos and eejits.

James Woods is another one who has inexplicably wedded himself to Trump. I first watched Woods in the 1970s mini series Holocaust where he played a victim of the Nazis, so a kind of bitter irony that he has become such a cheerleader for Trump.

[JeMeSouviens]

Wouldn't believe something just on his say-so. Would want it backed up by Tucker Carlson before I could be sure it's true. :agree:

What does Tucker Jenkins think?

[Hibrandenburg]

James Woods is another one who has inexplicably wedded himself to Trump. I first watched Woods in the 1970s mini series Holocaust where he played a victim of the Nazis, so a kind of bitter irony that he has become such a cheerleader for Trump.

Him and Voight are weird looking to be fair, at least my theory of Trumps Weirdos is still intact.

[Smartie]

What does Tucker Jenkins think?

He couldn't give a Tucker's Luck.

[G B Young]

Sad to see that, great actor, Runaway Train is a particular favourite. You just want to ask these people; where is the actual evidence? That’s the obvious question.

Yup, terrific actor. He'll always be Joe Buck to me (just typing that starts Harry Nilsson's theme song playing in my head).

[AltheHibby]

Thinking back to 2016, I had a conversation with some VERY senior members of the AICPA (the American accounting institute), and most of them were voting Trump. It worried me then, and now, that well educated people fall for his nonsense.

[Bristolhibby]

We have a guy in our work who has always been seen as a little odd (quite religious though not that this would explain the oddness:greengrin) however one of my colleagues who he barely knows said the guy was discussing the election and he was very exercised by it all on how Trump was being badly treated in the media and that it was hugely important that he were to win. Seems strange to be that bothered.

This could explain his animation. Watch the video.

J

www.vox.com/videos/2020/2/12/21135110/bible-evangelical-christian-trump-foreign-policy

[Moulin Yarns]

Thinking back to 2016, I had a conversation with some VERY senior members of the AICPA (the American accounting institute), and most of them were voting Trump. It worried me then, and now, that well educated people fall for his nonsense.

There's no denying that he has done well where the economy is concerned, which is why they would vote for him based on his policies in that respect. He is still a **** though

[Haymaker]

Thinking back to 2016, I had a conversation with some VERY senior members of the AICPA (the American accounting institute), and most of them were voting Trump. It worried me then, and now, that well educated people fall for his nonsense.

It's not necessarily the nonsense. I know a lot of people who's only interest in politics, and the reason they vote republican, is "to keep my taxes down". A lot of them disagree with Trump and other republican policies but they always come out with "but my taxes are lower so I vote for them."

I honestly believe you can get far in American politics by saying 1) lower taxes 2) looser gun control 3) abortion bad. There are people I know who vote only on one of those three issues. In fact a friend of mine purposely voted trump because Hilary would take his guns away in 2016.

American politics is very, very strange.

[Bristolhibby]

There's no denying that he has done well where the economy is concerned, which is why they would vote for him based on his policies in that respect. He is still a **** though

It’s the masses that have been spoon fed the lie of trickle down economics.

Does an unemployed, black, single Mum from Baton Rouge, Louisiana really give a toss that the stock market is up 8 points?

J

[Moulin Yarns]

It’s the masses that have been spoon fed the lie of trickle down economics.

Does an unemployed, black, single Mum from Baton Rouge, Louisiana really give a toss that the stock market is up 8 points?

J

No, but in the world of accountancy, then yes they do.

[Bristolhibby]

It's not necessarily the nonsense. I know a lot of people who's only interest in politics, and the reason they vote republican, is "to keep my taxes down". A lot of them disagree with Trump and other republican policies but they always come out with "but my taxes are lower so I vote for them."

I honestly believe you can get far in American politics by saying 1) lower taxes 2) looser gun control 3) abortion bad. There are people I know who vote only on one of those three issues. In fact a friend of mine purposely voted trump because Hilary would take his guns away in 2016.

American politics is very, very strange.

Yet some people say the current POTUS is likely to have had many abortions arranged. (Also on an unrelated point. I’m sure him holding that Bible the other day was one of the few times he’s actually held the Bible).

The bible is his favourite book apparently!

Grifter! How do people fall for him?

https://youtu.be/ERUngQUCsyE

J

[Bristolhibby]

No, but in the world of accountancy, then yes they do.

Sadly there are many more poor black women than accountants in America.

J

[AltheHibby]

Yet some people say the current POTUS is likely to have had many abortions arranged. (Also on an unrelated point. I’m sure him holding that Bible the other day was one of the few times he’s actually held the Bible).

The bible is his favourite book apparently!

Grifter! How do people fall for him?

https://youtu.be/ERUngQUCsyE

J

Yet they hate Joe Biden who actually goes to church!

[Moulin Yarns]

Sadly there are many more poor black women than accountants in America.

J

I agree, but my post was in reply to another post about accountants! :rolleyes: