(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[Stairway 2 7]

Better that than a mum who decided to kill you I suppose.

Let’s be thankful we all had mums who took responsibility for their children eh? We can all agree on that one. Night all [emoji106]

Hope your away to watch Vera drake.

Abortions will never stop that is just stupid, safe abortions will

If banning abortions stops abortions they should ban all guns in America. Oh but wait they said banning guns is pointless because people will still use them

[Moulin Yarns]

Better that than a mum who decided to kill you I suppose.

Let’s be thankful we all had mums who took responsibility for their children eh? We can all agree on that one. Night all [emoji106]

For your information no mother has ever killed their unborn child. It's a legal impossibility.

[Stairway 2 7]

Nicola Sturgeon
@NicolaSturgeon
·

One of the darkest days for women’s rights in my lifetime. Obviously the immediate consequences will be suffered by women in the US - but this will embolden anti-abortion & anti-women forces in other countries too. Solidarity doesn’t feel enough right now - but it is necessary

[Stairway 2 7]

Quinnicio Del Toro 🇹🇹
@misterj006
So if a woman is raped at gunpoint and becomes pregnant, the gun is the most protected party in that situation

[Smartie]

Somewhere between all the wee digs there is a half decent moral debate going on here.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Quinnicio Del Toro 🇹🇹
@misterj006
So if a woman is raped at gunpoint and becomes pregnant, the gun is the most protected party in that situation

That's a very telling comment upon the mess of America now.

[Pretty Boy]

A sad day.

Abortion exists and has done for centuries. This doesn't rid certain states of abortion, it only removes access to safe abortion.

I always argue you don't have to like the action of abortion or the outcome, you can argue about what is a reasonable 'cut off' for when it should be permitted and you can argue that all other avenues of support should be offered first; however it is still something that is a necessity in some cases and a choice in others and as such should be available in a safe and supportive environment.

[Just Alf]

At the point of conception I believe life begins.I suppose one good thing will come out of this, if this is the case then proper gun controls can't be far behind.

[Jones28]

I suppose one good thing will come out of this, if this is the case then proper gun controls can't be far behind.

Pro lifers are pro gun in the main, so they fully believe in the rights of children to live unless they’re shot, in which case the gun wins.

It’s like a perverse game of Rock Paper Scissors.

[Just Alf]

Pro lifers are pro gun in the main, so they fully believe in the rights of children to live unless they’re shot, in which case the gun wins.

It’s like a perverse game of Rock Paper Scissors.Yup and they don't seem to see how hypocritical they're being!

[BroxburnHibee]

Gilead is a step closer

[Bristolhibby]

Gilead is a step closer

Blessed be the fruit.

J

[Hibernia&Alba]

Pro lifers are pro gun in the main, so they fully believe in the rights of children to live unless they’re shot, in which case the gun wins.

It’s like a perverse game of Rock Paper Scissors.

And pro-death penalty. Strange for such pro-life 'Christians'.

This agenda is about controlling women. What's the next target of the fundamentalists? Contraception, gay marriage, even interracial marriage could be vulnerable to being sent back to the individual states:



https://youtu.be/R8Z0JxLQBqU

[Hibernia&Alba]

SCJ Clarence Thomas already going after gay marriage:


https://youtu.be/IBDrwHfAoF0

[Hibernia&Alba]

What the SC Justices who voted to overturn Roe v Wade said about it during their confirmation hearings. Strange...


https://youtu.be/mMpGEwwQNbM

[hibsbollah]

SCJ Clarence Thomas already going after gay marriage:


https://youtu.be/IBDrwHfAoF0

Just to be clear on this, by going after Lawrence vs Texas 2003 Clarence Thomas is calling for a judgement on whether or not gay sex should be illegal. Organs Hungary or new Poland hasn’t even gone that far. That’s the company the GOP is keeping. It’s all nice and everything to have friendly debates online about abortion rights, gay rights, black right to vote, but FFS if you support all of that I reserve the right to call you a ****ing racist, a homophobe and a misogynist. And I don’t think you’ve got a leg to stand on. (Not directed at the quoted poster)…

[Hibernia&Alba]

Just to be clear on this, by going after Lawrence vs Texas 2003 Clarence Thomas is calling for a judgement on whether or not gay sex should be illegal. Organs Hungary or new Poland hasn’t even gone that far. That’s the company the GOP is keeping. It’s all nice and everything to have friendly debates online about abortion rights, gay rights, black right to vote, but FFS if you support all of that I reserve the right to call you a ****ing racist, a homophobe and a misogynist. And I don’t think you’ve got a leg to stand on. (Not directed at the quoted poster)…

Yes, you're right. Thomas is going beyond same sex marriage and is going after 'sodomy'. Would that mean lesbian relationships would be allowed, but male relationships illegal? :confused:

Totally crackpot.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i was thinking earlier if any of the SC were appointed by that vile fake tan monster Trump then did a little google just now, things are clearer especially that 4th one who was giving advice to his wife who got a mention in the hearings the last week for assisting Trump in trying to get the voting stopped/overturned.

P.S. i also remember that slimebag Kavanaugh as well

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/290262075_2111168672398363_4219988787278648305_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=IR-YbWc8KxIAX_JOiKi&tn=vIvSFNl06GFFe0Qb&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT-8bdtOXlCygFfycKnZUrZiBRGAkr10KvnblAOVlDviLA&oe=62BB23A9

[Hibernia&Alba]

A very powerful response from a young American woman :applause::


https://youtu.be/8w5tH902MFw

[Stairway 2 7]

2 woman hit by a car at a pro choice rally in the US

2 dead outside a oslo gay bar from a random gunman


The right is the greatest terrorist risk

[Pretty Boy]

2 woman hit by a car at a pro choice rally in the US

2 dead outside a oslo gay bar from a random gunman


The right is the greatest terrorist risk

But for some reason are almost never referenced as terrorists in reporting. That's a huge part of the problem. Painting these people as a 'lone wolf' or a 'crazed gunman' downplays the fact that this is a loosely organised group of extreme right wing nutjobs, primarily male. Emoboldened by the success of the likes of Trump and Bolsonaro they are increasingly dangerous.

[speedy_gonzales]

I'm curious as to what Venn diagram of the relationship of US states that were pro-life, pro-gun control and pro-death penalty?
I'm guessing, without checking, it would resemble an RAF roundel!
Right wing hypocrites, the lot of them!

[CropleyWasGod]

Yes, you're right. Thomas is going beyond same sex marriage and is going after 'sodomy'. Would that mean lesbian relationships would be allowed, but male relationships illegal? :confused:

Totally crackpot.

What about sodomy in opposite-sex couples?

Given that the dictionary definition of sodomy includes oral sex, many gay women would also be criminalised.

My question would be, as it always has been in some US States, how would that be policed?

[Jones28]

I'm curious as to what Venn diagram of the relationship of US states that were pro-life, pro-gun control and pro-death penalty?
I'm guessing, without checking, it would resemble an RAF roundel!
Right wing hypocrites, the lot of them!

Check out the other thread on the topic: the states where execution is legal are almost identical to the ones where abortion is now illegal.

[speedy_gonzales]

Check out the other thread on the topic: the states where execution is legal are almost identical to the ones where abortion is now illegal.

Thought as much, looks like Ozyhibby done the homework I set out for him 😉

(To be fair, I did mean to post my "Venn" comment on the Roe Vs Wade thread).

[Hibernia&Alba]

What about sodomy in opposite-sex couples?

Given that the dictionary definition of sodomy includes oral sex, many gay women would also be criminalised.

My question would be, as it always has been in some US States, how would that be policed?

Indeed. It's a matter of taking the fundamentalist Christian view that sex is sinful, to the extreme. 18th century American Puritanism to be revived in 2022, in some attempt to put the toothpaste back in the tube. It's insane and impossible to police. Justice Thomas is proposing that all equality rights won via the Fourteenth Amendment be challenged, but with one exception: interracial marriage. He didn't mention that one, though, of course, the fact he is a black man married to a white woman would be coincidental. Stripping others of their legal rights is fine, but he draws the line when it would affect him. However, interracial marriage will be challenged in the same way - advocates will claim it's a states rights issue and isn't constitutionally guaranteed. If that issue reaches the SC, what will Thomas do? He is a very dodgy and unpleasant guy. His wife is currently deeply implicated in the attempt to overturn Biden's win.

[Pretty Boy]

I wonder what the progressives and liberals who refused to vote for Clinton are feeling right now?

The issue with US presidential elections is you aren't just voting for a 4 or 8 year period, you are voting for them potentially having the ability to shape the future of the country for decades, particularly in the case of Trump who was able to rebalance the ideology of the Supreme Court.

This ruling would never have happened had Clinton been the 45th US President. For all her many faults she would have secured a liberal, relatively speaking, majority among Supreme Court justices for a generation.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I wonder what the progressives and liberals who refused to vote for Clinton are feeling right now?

The issue with US presidential elections is you aren't just voting for a 4 or 8 year period, you are voting for them potentially having the ability to shape the future of the country for decades, particularly in the case of Trump who was able to rebalance the ideology of the Supreme Court.

This ruling would never have happened had Clinton been the 45th US President. For all her many faults she would have secured a liberal, relatively speaking, majority among Supreme Court justices for a generation.

Plus the electoral college played a big role again. Clinton got more votes, but Trump won the EC.

[Ozyhibby]

Northern Ireland isn’t much better. Although it’s legal now due to it being imposed by the UK govt when the DUP collapsed the assembly, they have managed to not fund any service at all so it’s like it’s banned. Most still travel to mainland UK.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

You really won't believe this. A debate between the Republican primary candidates for Arizona governor. This is the GOP in 2022, the party expected to win control of Congress this November in the most powerful country on earth. We like to laugh at how stupid and crazy Americans are, but this is really disturbing:


https://youtu.be/6IYX8ydZ9pA

[cabbageandribs1875]

this woman is nuttier than a box of freakin frogs, the GOP's Nadine Dorries

coming fresh after her outburst that the American Government is going to force Americans to eat fake meat grown by Bill Gates in a "Peach Tree Dish" Marjorie Taylor Greene warns of meat grown in a ‘peach tree dish’ while peddling Bill Gates conspiracy | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/marjorie-taylor-green-bill-gates-meat-b2090463.html)


now she's speculating the shootings in Philadelphia and Highland park were meant to increase republican support for Gun Control Legislation Marjorie Taylor Greene claims mass shootings ‘designed’ to make GOP support gun control (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/marjorie-taylor-greene-claims-mass-shootings-designed-to-make-gop-support-gun-control/ar-AAZky0g?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=12a3d675a2e64cadb8a4e2217a742866) :crazy:

[Lendo]

this woman is nuttier than a box of freakin frogs, the GOP's Nadine Dorries

coming fresh after her outburst that the American Government is going to force Americans to eat fake meat grown by Bill Gates in a "Peach Tree Dish" Marjorie Taylor Greene warns of meat grown in a ‘peach tree dish’ while peddling Bill Gates conspiracy | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/marjorie-taylor-green-bill-gates-meat-b2090463.html)


now she's speculating the shootings in Philadelphia and Highland park were meant to increase republican support for Gun Control Legislation Marjorie Taylor Greene claims mass shootings ‘designed’ to make GOP support gun control (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/marjorie-taylor-greene-claims-mass-shootings-designed-to-make-gop-support-gun-control/ar-AAZky0g?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=12a3d675a2e64cadb8a4e2217a742866) :crazy:

She's just won her Primary too. Utterly mental. I'm far from being considered intelligent but seeing these morons getting in to positions of powers makes me realise I could have perhaps pursued a career in government.

[wookie70]

You really won't believe this. A debate between the Republican primary candidates for Arizona governor. This is the GOP in 2022, the party expected to win control of Congress this November in the most powerful country on earth. We like to laugh at how stupid and crazy Americans are, but this is really disturbing:


https://youtu.be/6IYX8ydZ9pA

I'm with the lady at the end. The education system is one of the big reasons for Americans holding these views in such numbers. Combine that with a rigged media and massive firepower and you have a huge problem.

My kids don't believe in God, are good Hibees and hate the Tories. They are also very wary of the Police, as I am, and know to question everything you see on TV. Now does that mean I have brainwashed them or have I influenced them and they haven't found strong enough reasons to form an alternative view, that may come when their mates influence them more than me.

When you think about it young minds are there to be moulded and filled with information and at least in the UK our state schools give kids a fairly clean view of the world and some ability to critically think. If, as was said in the clip, the church plays a big part in schooling and curriculums could be shaped by individuals in the community or those funding schools then it is quite easy to see how quickly you could flood the electorate with little clones with ludicrous far right views. It is basically the Trump Youth.

One thing is for sure we can forget about solving Global Warming and living in peace and harmony in the future. The world is just waiting to die and when you see the quality of our leaders in the UK and US then perhaps it isn't before time.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/status/1545933205508857857

This is very weird trump at a rally tries to praise the vaccine roll out. But he says he can't say the word vaccine, presumably as his supporters hate it

[Hibernia&Alba]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/status/1545933205508857857

This is very weird trump at a rally tries to praise the vaccine roll out. But he says he can't say the word vaccine, presumably as his supporters hate it

He was booed at a rally when he said he supported the COVID vaccine.

[Stairway 2 7]

He was booed at a rally when he said he supported the COVID vaccine.

Actual nut jobs 😆 how many died because of believing these fanatical lies

[Oscar T Grouch]

I'm with the lady at the end. The education system is one of the big reasons for Americans holding these views in such numbers. Combine that with a rigged media and massive firepower and you have a huge problem.

My kids don't believe in God, are good Hibees and hate the Tories. They are also very wary of the Police, as I am, and know to question everything you see on TV. Now does that mean I have brainwashed them or have I influenced them and they haven't found strong enough reasons to form an alternative view, that may come when their mates influence them more than me.

When you think about it young minds are there to be moulded and filled with information and at least in the UK our state schools give kids a fairly clean view of the world and some ability to critically think. If, as was said in the clip, the church plays a big part in schooling and curriculums could be shaped by individuals in the community or those funding schools then it is quite easy to see how quickly you could flood the electorate with little clones with ludicrous far right views. It is basically the Trump Youth.

One thing is for sure we can forget about solving Global Warming and living in peace and harmony in the future. The world is just waiting to die and when you see the quality of our leaders in the UK and US then perhaps it isn't before time.

While that is part of the problem, the other major factor goes back to Ronnie Reagan, he deregulated the News Media industry while being funded by a number of media moguls (while US news outlets were not censored they were under an ethical guide (the Fairness doctrine) mandated by government). Essentially that meant that Fox News could exist, whereas before then a 'news' channel spouting what Fox puts out would find themselves in court every single day because US laws did not allow false reporting. Reagan changed that and essentially said that News programs are entertainment shows and could say anything they liked under the first amendment, he removed the ability of government to hold media moguls feet to the flames whenever they spouted lies. The deregulation that Ronnie did in the 80s were the catalysts to modern America. (please excuse my simplified and ramble on this).

You are sadly correct about the direction of the world right now, we are heading towards a dystopian future, oft imagined by authors. The EU have basically said oil is green energy, the US will never cut their energy consumption (remember if you split the US military from the US then they would still be the 1st (the country) and the 4th (the military) largest polluters on the planet). We are in the beginning of the end years of capitalism and unfortunately none of us make it out alive from that scenario.

[Hibernia&Alba]

A regression into fascism. The Texas Republican Platform for 2022:


https://youtu.be/Er67SqUT48c

[bigwheel]

A regression into fascism. The Texas Republican Platform for 2022:


https://youtu.be/Er67SqUT48c

That’s is so unhinged you could only assume it is a parody manifesto..but it’s not !! Wild beyond comprehension

[cabbageandribs1875]

i see his first wife Ivana has died, 73

Ivana Trump, Donald Trump's first wife, dies at 73 - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62172028)

Ivana Trump, Donald Trump's first wife and the mother of three of his children, has died aged 73.


"She was a wonderful, beautiful, and amazing woman, who led a great and inspirational life," Mr Trump posted on his social media platform Truth Social.


Ms Trump, who was born in the Czech Republic, married the former president in 1977. They divorced 15 years later in 1992.


They had three children together - Donald Jr, Ivanka and Eric Trump.

[LewysGot2]

Steve Bannon looking like he's heading to the pokey

[Kato]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/29/us/russian-indictment-florida.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DKD mwTiPkORJKd4FzMbKwmZt0_3j-HQdJHLPohQPtoz-NWeUxxTg3i6r21pKM4GQRn44SiQjFxmJvXQbEz9TKtNDO0Jrsk neL64ULZaH3tDfSMzXwgIll68cE2fV7823IKz_-SAfc1joclpYopD5l9QTwLZiSY7bK_W1glZoLwPlyL4RI2WupZR TjZgdefjroBew1WAlrGJ2httSd-sJgPfYNKY9usakIoa8H8gr4OC213Lo_PB5c5R4fcl74CoqdEJA TzXeCDWgR8lt9K1uoC&smid=url-share


Article, paywall shouldn't apply, on how Russian agents are spreading disinformation in the States. Playing both sides and stirring animosity.

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[Bristolhibby]

Actual nut jobs 😆 how many died because of believing these fanatical lies

Darwin at work there. Thinning them out.

J

[cabbageandribs1875]

still funny (1) Daniel on Twitter: "still one of the funniest videos on the internet https://t.co/GxDN0FoNnY" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/clark1995clark/status/1554398626192949248?s=12&t=0EuObWQDzgx_CC3Fq2nbIQ&fbclid=IwAR1q9mNDncpoVyrSyHZqiIOF4amnhLP7MzDXXfO63 qf7L55mUi47KBP10Gw)

[grunt]

still funny (1) Daniel on Twitter: "still one of the funniest videos on the internet https://t.co/GxDN0FoNnY" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/clark1995clark/status/1554398626192949248?s=12&t=0EuObWQDzgx_CC3Fq2nbIQ&fbclid=IwAR1q9mNDncpoVyrSyHZqiIOF4amnhLP7MzDXXfO63 qf7L55mUi47KBP10Gw)
Depends on your definition of funny. Tragic, I think is a better description.

[Stairway 2 7]

Trumps pal Alex Jones trial is shocking, people think they can say what they want regardless of truth. Some heart breaking statements from parents of sandy hook

https://mobile.twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1554539801105293319

[Kato]

Trumps pal Alex Jones trial is shocking, people think they can say what they want regardless of truth. Some heart breaking statements from parents of sandy hook

https://mobile.twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1554539801105293319His goose is cooked.


https://twitter.com/WUTangKids/status/1554888056775245825?t=VRrHJk5_ByNCNtUGoFr_iw&s=19

His lawyer handed over all his texts and emails for the last 2 years by accident.

This includes Jan 6th 2021 when Jones was with Trump during the attempted insurrection.

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[Kato]

More on how Putin's "Eurasia Project" has manifested itself in the States.

" A Russian national backed by the Russian state has been indicted by the US Justice Department for funding and using members of American political groups as foreign agents of Russian Intelligence in nearly a decade of malign influence operations."



https://bylinetimes.com/2022/08/02/agitation-and-propaganda-russian-indicted-for-using-us-political-groups-as-foreign-agents/

Alexander Dugin's philosophy was discussed at the start of the Ukraine invasion.

https://i.ibb.co/FX56HrS/20220225-094102.jpg

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[Smartie]

More on how Putin's "Eurasia Project" has manifested itself in the States.

" A Russian national backed by the Russian state has been indicted by the US Justice Department for funding and using members of American political groups as foreign agents of Russian Intelligence in nearly a decade of malign influence operations."



https://bylinetimes.com/2022/08/02/agitation-and-propaganda-russian-indicted-for-using-us-political-groups-as-foreign-agents/

Alexander Dugin's philosophy was discussed at the start of the Ukraine invasion.

https://i.ibb.co/FX56HrS/20220225-094102.jpg

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I had a bit of a mental meltdown at the start of the war, and there were several events that happened around that time that led to it.

Looking back, one of the scarier parts of it was the discovery of this piece of work, sometimes called “Putin’s playbook”.

At a time of fear and uncertainty, reading about what was contained in it scared the living **** out of me.

As time has gone by, I’d take more convincing than ever that it isn’t the exact playbook and it is chilling in the extreme to look back and see how much of it has already been worked very hard on.

[grunt]

As time has gone by, I’d take more convincing than ever that it isn’t the exact playbook and it is chilling in the extreme to look back and see how much of it has already been worked very hard on.
Agreed. And let us not think it's only the US that has been targeted.

[Kato]

Agreed. And let us not think it's only the US that has been targeted.All western democracies have been targeted. The bunch that were founders of The Conservative Friends of Russia are in power in this country. Wreckers, dividers, "Anti-Woke". Putin loves all of this.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Donnie's Florida home Mar-A-Lago currently being raided by the FBI, searching for evidence that Trump left the White House with fifteen boxes of classified documents in 2021. :thumbsup:

[Callum_62]

Donnie's Florida home Mar-A-Lago currently being raided by the FBI, searching for evidence that Trump left the White House with fifteen boxes of classified documents in 2021. [emoji106]If the FBI find what they find what they are searching for. Bye bye returning to office

Ofcourse the problem is the FBI..... [emoji1787]

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[hibsbollah]

All western democracies have been targeted. The bunch that were founders of The Conservative Friends of Russia are in power in this country. Wreckers, dividers, "Anti-Woke". Putin loves all of this.

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And lets not forget 'Britain Trump'. NHS selloff and procurement, military deals, post Brexit shenanigans.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZsygYxXEAUfGVF?format=jpg&name=900x900


that's one way of looking at it i guess

[Hibrandenburg]

Rumour has it that the FBI have destroyed Trump's library during the raid. Apparently both books have been destroyed and the colouring in hadn't been completed.

[hibsbollah]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZsygYxXEAUfGVF?format=jpg&name=900x900


that's one way of looking at it i guess

What a joke. Broken US.

[Haymaker]

If it is a witch hunt... release the warrant. He has a copy of it. Somehow I feel it will be like his tax returns.

[Hibernia&Alba]

If it is a witch hunt... release the warrant. He has a copy of it. Somehow I feel it will be like his tax returns.

The MAGA types, such as Fox News, are going ballistic about it, but the raid was carried out on a warrant signed by a Trump appointed judge, at the request of a Trump appointed FBI Director. Sounds like probable cause must have been established. There is no way the FBI would undertake such an operation unless they were one hundred per cent legally covered.

[Haymaker]

The MAGA types, such as Fox News, are going ballistic about it, but the raid was carried out on a warrant signed by a Trump appointed judge, at the request of a Trump appointed FBI Director. Sounds like probable cause must have been established. There is no way the FBI would undertake such an operation unless they were one hundred per cent legally covered.

Exactly. And he has a copy of the warrant and a list of everything taken in the raid. If it's a witch hunt, share them.

Also, pleaded the 5th today. Like the Mob do.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Exactly. And he has a copy of the warrant and a list of everything taken in the raid. If it's a witch hunt, share them.

Also, pleaded the 5th today. Like the Mob do.

Oh yeah, pleading the Fifth is outrageous and a sign of guilt....until he does it when being investigated for financial fraud:


https://youtu.be/Ww4sZ6qPMC8

[Haymaker]

Looks like they were looking for documents releated to nuclear weapons/materials.

Interesting.

[Lendo]

Looks like they were looking for documents releated to nuclear weapons/materials.

Interesting.

Terrifying who he might have been selling/sharing it with. Long been suspected that the Saudi's have been secretly developing nuclear weapons. Given the $2b they paid Kushner it really wouldn't surprise me if he's selling secrets them.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Looks like they were looking for documents releated to nuclear weapons/materials.

Interesting.

You really have to laugh.

[Smartie]

Is there such a crime as treason in the USA, and can it carry the death penalty?

(Pretty sure it's the only crime in the UK that can carry the death penalty although I'm no lawyer).

[nonshinyfinish]

Is there such a crime as treason in the USA, and can it carry the death penalty?

(Pretty sure it's the only crime in the UK that can carry the death penalty although I'm no lawyer).

Don't think that's ever been true in the UK. Currently there are no crimes that carry the death penalty (treason carries a prison sentence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_treason_in_the_United_Kingdom#Today), and the last folk hanged before it was abolished were convicted of murder.

EDIT – further reading tells me it was the case up until 1998:


Beheading was abolished as a method of execution for treason in 1973. Hanging, however, remained available until 30 September 1998 when, under a House of Lords amendment to the Crime and Disorder Act 1998, proposed by Lord Archer of Sandwell, the death penalty was abolished for treason and piracy with violence, replacing it with a discretionary maximum sentence of life imprisonment.

No idea about the US.

[Oscar T Grouch]

I was glancing through twitter last night and came across a thread which I initially thought was just more made up BS. So I had a wee look and see if the thing it was claiming was true. And I am just not sure having seen the photos now!

Anyway, the tweet tagged in the FBI and when something like. "Dear @FBI, If I were you I would be getting a warrant to exhume Ivana Trumps coffin! I am pretty sure it would not normally take 10 pall bearers to lift a surprisingly huge coffin (for who was a relatively small 73 y.o. woman). Just saying."

Now go and google "Pictures of Ivana Trumps funeral" and tell me that isn't a huge box of stolen documents being planted on his New Jersey golf course! For any normal human I would ignore it but this is Trump :greengrin

Apologies for the macabre nature of this post.

[Haymaker]

Is there such a crime as treason in the USA, and can it carry the death penalty?

(Pretty sure it's the only crime in the UK that can carry the death penalty although I'm no lawyer).

Believe this is under the "espionage act" and he could do serious time.

Robert Hanssen is doing 15 consecutive life with no parole under the same act.

[DaveF]

Reports saying documents recovered were top secret and classified. Trump says they were unclassified.

Who to believe 🙄

[Haymaker]

Reports saying documents recovered were top secret and classified. Trump says they were unclassified.

Who to believe 🙄

Under the espionage act it doesn't matter if classified or not. If he's tried to hide the documents he's ****ed.

As far as I understand it.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1558179329443614726?s=21&t=tbdy0Mvg0xGwcYjvotNtUQ

The documents.


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[hibsbollah]

Under the espionage act it doesn't matter if classified or not. If he's tried to hide the documents he's ****ed.

As far as I understand it.

I will never believe he’s ****ed. He’s got too many people willing to take his side no matter what.

[Smartie]

I will never believe he’s ****ed. He’s got too many people willing to take his side no matter what.

I just think that he asks so much of so many people that he has to run out of luck eventually.

[Kato]

I just think that he asks so much of so many people that he has to run out of luck eventually...or he's committed so many crimes its only a matter of time before he got sloppy.

Funny Rees-Mogg says he's the UKs greatest ally yet its possible he's been selling nuclear secrets to the country which was home to the 9/11 bombers.

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[Haymaker]

I will never believe he’s ****ed. He’s got too many people willing to take his side no matter what.

While I generally agree... someone very close to him has flipped.

Cons/rightys will always look after themselves when it gets tough in my experience. Someone, or some people have cut deals.

[Jones28]

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1558179329443614726?s=21&t=tbdy0Mvg0xGwcYjvotNtUQ

The documents.


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Oh he is sooooo ****ed.

[DaveF]

Statements from Trump HQ seem to be taking the line that as President he can point at documents and suddenly they are declassified, rendering the need for 'paper pushing beaurocrats' or any of that due process stuff, irrelevant.

Hopefully that is tested in court...

[weecounty hibby]

Unbelievably the late night news from the BBC last night was implying that this strengthens his support and also his run for presidency again. Americans are off their heads and beyond saving if that is true

[hibsbollah]

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1558179329443614726?s=21&t=tbdy0Mvg0xGwcYjvotNtUQ

The documents.


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LeMonde reporting on that second item, 'Info On the President of France. No comment from Macron. Wonder what that could reveal

[lapsedhibee]

I wonder if going after corrupt former political leaders might one day be seen as acceptable behaviour in the UK too.

[Bostonhibby]

I wonder if going after corrupt former political leaders might one day be seen as acceptable behaviour in the UK too.It'll Never catch on, too many are in awe of the protagonists to ever be able to admit they were conned/exploited.

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[lapsedhibee]

It'll Never catch on, too many are in awe of the protagonists to ever be able to admit they were conned/exploited.


Investigative journalists like Kuenssberg will be ever more determined to get to the bottom of the Perugia trip.

[Bostonhibby]

Investigative journalists like Kuenssberg will be ever more determined to get to the bottom of the Perugia trip.She will be hoping to line up even more one to one chats / catch ups with Bozo, I can't bring myself to call these sessions interviews.

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[Lendo]

LeMonde reporting on that second item, 'Info On the President of France. No comment from Macron. Wonder what that could reveal

Keeping a selection of blackmail material to hand on various world leaders perhaps. Hopefully the (alleged) Trump/Hooker pissing tape will be found in there too.

[neil7908]

Oh he is sooooo ****ed.

Nah, he'll not serve a single day. Sadly America is so ****ed that even treason is not longer a bipartisan issue.

At worst he'll get a fine.

[cabbageandribs1875]

at least she can hold her head high Rep. Liz Cheney loses her primary in Wyoming to Trump-backed challenger (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/rep-liz-cheney-loses-primary-wyoming-trump-backed-challenger-rcna43379)

[lapsedhibee]

at least she can hold her head high Rep. Liz Cheney loses her primary in Wyoming to Trump-backed challenger (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/rep-liz-cheney-loses-primary-wyoming-trump-backed-challenger-rcna43379)

Good speech after losing. Maybe US is not completely ****** after all.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Statements from Trump HQ seem to be taking the line that as President he can point at documents and suddenly they are declassified, rendering the need for 'paper pushing beaurocrats' or any of that due process stuff, irrelevant.

Hopefully that is tested in court...

That's the last line of defence now. The Trumpanzees began by saying the FBI planted documents. Then they switched to saying the documents were never classified. Now they are saying the documents were actually top secret, but a president can de-classify anything at any time. Actually that isn't true, there is a protocol to follow when de-classifying documents. Furthermore, some documents e.g. nuclear secrets, are so sensitive, a president can't unilaterally de-classify them. Anything de-classified means that it's available for anyone to see. Trump is therefore arguing that top secret documents were declassified on the spot, thus in theory any American could have had instant access to them. That's nonsense of course; there is a process. A desperate defence.

4:59 p.m. Documents marked top secret are instantaneously de-classified so Trump can take them home.
5.00 p.m. If Chuck the welder from Pittburgh asks to see those documents, that perfectly okay now. Aye right.

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/McClureShawn/status/1559970328230514690?t=jnW8W4ewUNGeHhdsfq79gA&s=19

Allowing extreme ideologies representation leads to more extremism every time.

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[Haymaker]

https://twitter.com/McClureShawn/status/1559970328230514690?t=jnW8W4ewUNGeHhdsfq79gA&s=19

Allowing extreme ideologies representation leads to more extremism every time.

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Only "Woke Liberals" ban things according to my Republican friends.

[hibsbollah]

Crazy. What’s even the justification for banning Anne Frank’s Diary? What ideas can you be attempting to protect?

[grunt]

Crazy. What’s even the justification for banning Anne Frank’s Diary? What ideas can you be attempting to protect?News to me.


“When we got ‘The Diary of Anne Frank,’ we thought, ‘This is a joke.’ But it wasn’t,” Hawes said, adding that the complaint was that “the book shouldn’t be read without parent supervision.” She suspected that the parent may have objected to the unabridged diary’s references to female genitalia, same-sex attraction and other sexual matters, which have been deemed “pornographic” by parental challenges in the past. But she couldn’t be sure because the parent who challenged the book didn’t show up to the meeting.

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1560282228638171138?t=O1K4w19wDJUIez1VftL39Q&s=19

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[Stairway 2 7]

US patriots.. training for war. No sure whether to laugh or cry. Very fascist weirdos

https://mobile.twitter.com/telltaleatheist/status/1563186437289553920

[lapsedhibee]

US patriots.. training for war. No sure whether to laugh or cry. Very fascist weirdos

https://mobile.twitter.com/telltaleatheist/status/1563186437289553920

Trump egging all this sort of stuff on with his crazed Truth Social retweeting of QAnon etc. He must be getting nervous now about becoming a convict. For him, real actual civil war would be a good deflection.

[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/DailyLoud/status/1562811791838654464

Slightly more upbeat than much of the stuff on this thread but Jamie Foxx does a quite brilliant Donald Trump impression.

[hibsbollah]

Trump egging all this sort of stuff on with his crazed Truth Social retweeting of QAnon etc. He must be getting nervous now about becoming a convict. For him, real actual civil war would be a good deflection.

I was watching Neil Oliver earlier on GB News, with the most bizarre tirade against….well I’m not really sure exactly who he was having a go at…Seemed to be a bit of covid denial and anti vax combined with some healthy anti woke stuff. But it made me think Fox News and trumpish behaviour is equally easy to find in this country as it is in the US. And Mr Oliver was a BBC poster boy not so long ago, with his wistful glances down the misty glens and his ill informed pseudo history.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I was watching Neil Oliver earlier on GB News, with the most bizarre tirade against….well I’m not really sure exactly who he was having a go at…Seemed to be a bit of covid denial and anti vax combined with some healthy anti woke stuff. But it made me think Fox News and trumpish behaviour is equally easy to find in this country as it is in the US. And Mr Oliver was a BBC poster boy not so long ago, with his wistful glances down the misty glens and his ill informed pseudo history.

he’s become a proper arse lately

[Alex Trager]

he’s become a proper arse lately

Aye Bollah has summed it up perfectly re his stances on things. He seems to essentially be a conspiracy theorist

[Oscar T Grouch]

Truth Social, Trumps answer to Twitter has been blocked on Google Play store for lack of moderation against hate speech and violence/Violent content! Quelle Surprise

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trumps-truth-social-app-barred-from-google-play-over-content-moderation_n_630e6483e4b063d5e61f5e81

[Lendo]

Aye Bollah has summed it up perfectly re his stances on things. He seems to essentially be a conspiracy theorist

Making David Icke look sane.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I was watching Neil Oliver earlier on GB News, with the most bizarre tirade against….well I’m not really sure exactly who he was having a go at…Seemed to be a bit of covid denial and anti vax combined with some healthy anti woke stuff. But it made me think Fox News and trumpish behaviour is equally easy to find in this country as it is in the US. And Mr Oliver was a BBC poster boy not so long ago, with his wistful glances down the misty glens and his ill informed pseudo history.

I really enjoyed his BBC History work, but he's a crackpot. Sad to see.

[Ozyhibby]

he’s become a proper arse lately

Lately?[emoji102][emoji23]


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[cabbageandribs1875]

defeat for Palin, although it's only for four months before they go again in January Democrat Mary Peltola defeats Sarah Palin to become first Native Alaskan woman to win congressional race (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrat-mary-peltola-defeats-sarah-palin-to-become-first-native-alaskan-woman-to-win-congressional-race/ar-AA11kBqw)

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Biden apparently seeking to make MAGA an extremist organisation/movement.
I genuinely think a second civil war could be on the cards.

[Ozyhibby]

Biden apparently seeking to make MAGA an extremist organisation.
I genuinely think a second civil war could be on the cards.

I wouldn’t be so sure. I think most of the trump candidates haven’t being doing so well. Could be ordinary republicans are getting a bit sick of it all?


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[Kato]

Biden apparently seeking to make MAGA an extremist organisation/movement.
I genuinely think a second civil war could be on the cards.I reckon MAGA made MAGA and extremist movement.

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[JeMeSouviens]

I wouldn’t be so sure. I think most of the trump candidates haven’t being doing so well. Could be ordinary republicans are getting a bit sick of it all?


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Also, the overturning of Roe v Wade has given Dems a big boost among women. Mid terms aren’t looking like the red wave they’ve been billed as any more.

[Haymaker]

Biden apparently seeking to make MAGA an extremist organisation/movement.
I genuinely think a second civil war could be on the cards.

Someone said to me that we are currently in the middle of a 'Cold Civil War'..

I can't argue against that.

[grunt]

I wouldn’t be so sure. I think most of the trump candidates haven’t being doing so well. Could be ordinary republicans are getting a bit sick of it all?

Someone said the other day that 180 of the 200 Rep candidates supported by Trump had been elected. It was in the context of Palin being an outlier in that she didn't get elected.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/status/1566227176617394177

Trump says xi and putin are fierce and smart. Weird as most saying destroying your military and economy isn't smart

[cabbageandribs1875]

as soon as i read a judge had given a ruling allowing Trump more time i just had to google who the judge was, and if a Trump appointee



yup, she IS indeed Judge Aileen Cannon was appointed by Trump and confirmed in 2020


and once again he's claiming he should be reinstated as president, wtf is wrong with that man

[grunt]

Closing in.


Steve Bannon charged with money laundering, conspiracy in “We Build the Wall” fundraising scheme for which he received Trump pardon

https://t.co/4uS1J3OFEZ

Worth remembering that in 2017 Jacob Rees-Mogg met with Steve Bannon in order to "talk about how conservative movements can win in the US and UK".

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/MarshaBlackburn/status/1568061043191980036?t=EFBUCVkcm81s_iYP0ir86g&s=19


Says it all really

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Trump's own lunatic former Attorney-General isn't buying his story about the top secret documents seized from Trump's Florida home:


https://youtu.be/wWhdW15UVB8

[cabbageandribs1875]

it's worrying what could happen in america with crackpots like marjorie taylor greene Marjorie Taylor Greene threatens to defund Education Department to stop teachers ‘brainwashing’ children (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-threatens-to-defund-education-department-to-stop-teachers-brainwashing-children/ar-AA11WJv3?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1f6e8f71881744ae878e4a64dd8440fe)



i was reading an interesting take on Trump the other day When Trump is finally revealed as an agent of foreign governments will America wake up? - Raw Story - Celebrating 18 Years of Independent Journalism (https://www.rawstory.com/trump-foreign-agent/) i'm amazed no one has taken Trump out yet


this big orange mad man is gonna start a civil war in america, then he will sit back and watch the bloodshed unfold on Fox news

(1) Aaron Rupar on Twitter: "this is one of the most bizarre things I've seen at a Trump rally. All it is missing is passing around Kool-Aid right after. https://t.co/BmPOztb7kA" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1571308887248179200)

[Ozyhibby]

Looks like he’s by charged with Fraud by New York attorney general now.[emoji1696][emoji106]


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[Kato]

Looks like he’s by charged with Fraud by New York attorney general now.[emoji1696][emoji106]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThe NYC Attorney General's office have known since the 80's he was committing fraud. Hope this is the least of his worries and things go from bad to worse, dragging in his accomplices and political stooges.

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[007]

Looks like he’s by charged with Fraud by New York attorney general now.[emoji1696][emoji106]


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Long overdue. No doubt he'll claim it's a witch hunt. He'll then throw everyone and anyone, including his kids, under the bus.

Once/if he loses such a case then I can see him getting done for many others. The list of investigations is incredible.

I'd point out that it's a civil case and he's being sued for $250m rather than being charged for a crime. That said, a referral is going to federal prosecutors so it could lead to him ending up in a criminal court too.

Top Trump Organization finance guys, CFO Allen Weisselberg and Controller Jeffrey McConney not included in the lawsuit so seems like they may have struck a deal in exchange for testifying against Trump and his kids.

[CyberSauzee]

https://twitter.com/NewYorkStateAG/status/1572626239923552258?t=9aL_PEpUVCzSeFyT0Msi8A&s=19

[CropleyWasGod]

https://twitter.com/NewYorkStateAG/status/1572626239923552258?t=9aL_PEpUVCzSeFyT0Msi8A&s=19

Initial reaction to this:-

Did his bankers not get independent appraisals of the properties?

What were his auditors doing?

He/his family couldn't have done all this without the incompetence or collusion of both of the above.

[Kato]

Initial reaction to this:-

Did his bankers not get independent appraisals of the properties?

What were his auditors doing?

He/his family couldn't have done all this without the incompetence or collusion of both of the above.Mmm

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[Ozyhibby]

Initial reaction to this:-

Did his bankers not get independent appraisals of the properties?

What were his auditors doing?

He/his family couldn't have done all this without the incompetence or collusion of both of the above.

Hasn’t failure with auditors been a feature of all the recent corruption scandals over the last 20 years? And failure to value assets properly was how we ended up with the sub-prime crisis?


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[Hibernia&Alba]

Initial reaction to this:-

Did his bankers not get independent appraisals of the properties?

What were his auditors doing?

He/his family couldn't have done all this without the incompetence or collusion of both of the above.

Referred to the IRS for criminal prosecution, it's beautiful. Financial journalists have said for years he was committing fraud in relation to asset valuations, in addition to tax evasion. Then there are his separate cases - there has to be a good chance he will be prosecuted in relation to the stolen secret documents.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1572790894834913280?s=46&t=ctz2Bcne9vH6ha976Ti0LA

We’ll worth a listen.[emoji102]


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[DaveF]

https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1572790894834913280?s=46&t=ctz2Bcne9vH6ha976Ti0LA

We’ll worth a listen.[emoji102]


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There is a process but there does not have to be a process. I'm the president...blah..blah. Totally incoherent pish.

[Ozyhibby]

There is a process but there does not have to be a process. I'm the president...blah..blah. Totally incoherent pish.

It was the bit where he claimed the FBI were searching his house looking for Hilary Clinton’s emails.[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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[CyberSauzee]

https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1572790894834913280?s=46&t=ctz2Bcne9vH6ha976Ti0LA

We’ll worth a listen.[emoji102]


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I can declassify secret info by thinking it's de-classified!!!!

[Ozyhibby]

I can declassify secret info by thinking it's de-classified!!!!

I’m just about to hang a door and I’m thinking about using the same technique. Wish me luck.[emoji106]


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[Moulin Yarns]

I’m just about to hang a door and I’m thinking about using the same technique. Wish me luck.[emoji106]


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You will be as unhinged as the orange one 😂

[Tyler Durden]

Initial reaction to this:-

Did his bankers not get independent appraisals of the properties?

What were his auditors doing?

He/his family couldn't have done all this without the incompetence or collusion of both of the above.

In terms of the bankers, it has been widely reported that Deutsche Bank were complicit over the years.

However in other examples it seems that normal due process has just been waived due to Trumps profile and the perception of reputational risk to not deal with him. If you look at Turnberry for example, that purchase should never have been allowed. By all accounts Trump bought it without debt funding and with no clear source of wealth evidenced. It's not his only asset where he just produced cash out of nowhere. Hence it's subsequently been the subject of proposed "Unexplained Wealth Orders" - albeit I don't think that has gotten very far.

[CropleyWasGod]

In terms of the bankers, it has been widely reported that Deutsche Bank were complicit over the years.

However in other examples it seems that normal due process has just been waived due to Trumps profile and the perception of reputational risk to not deal with him. If you look at Turnberry for example, that purchase should never have been allowed. By all accounts Trump bought it without debt funding and with no clear source of wealth evidenced. It's not his only asset where he just produced cash out of nowhere. Hence it's subsequently been the subject of proposed "Unexplained Wealth Orders" - albeit I don't think that has gotten very far.

Thanks :agree:

I can hear the distant sound of shredders being fired up....

[Keith_M]

Hasn’t failure with auditors been a feature of all the recent corruption scandals over the last 20 years? And failure to value assets properly was how we ended up with the sub-prime crisis?


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:agree:


Ernst and Young were Wirecard A.G's auditors for years but failed to notice that the vast majority of it's 'Assets' were in fact a total fraud, with vastly inflated values that helped increase the value of the company shares,.

The collapse of Wirecard was Germany's biggest financial scandal for decades, and came about through an almost total lack of diligence on the part of their Auditors

https://www.ft.com/content/bcadbdcb-5cd7-487e-afdd-1e926831e9b7.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Trumps request and installation of a special master in the case of the documents found at Maralago has royally backfired on him and his lawyers. This was triggered by the dodgy judge who gave Trump the opportunity to install a special master (a judge specifically to look at the documents found and judge what needs done with them), he submitted two candidate and the DOJ agreed with one and they were installed (Judge Dearie). This was a tactic to slow the legal process down and to shove as many spanners in the works as possible. Anyway, it turns out the Judge Dearie is a competent and able judge with knowledge of Trumps dealing with court and the legal system. He issued a case management order to tell Trump has to submit an affidavit under penalty of perjury to the court regarding his claims about the remaining documents at issue by the end of this month. Judge Dearie set an expedited timetable for completing the review of records and ordered Trum to pay a retired Judge $500 p/hour to help review records, and knowing Trumps penchant for not paying his legal advisors, has set a limit of 7 days for paying this judges fees, if he doesn't pay he will be found in contempt of court. So in short, Trumps plan to slow the process down has speeded it up and put him under real pressure.

[Keith_M]

Trumps request and installation of a special master in the case of the documents found at Maralago has royally backfired on him and his lawyers. This was triggered by the dodgy judge who gave Trump the opportunity to install a special master (a judge specifically to look at the documents found and judge what needs done with them), he submitted two candidate and the DOJ agreed with one and they were installed (Judge Dearie). This was a tactic to slow the legal process down and to shove as many spanners in the works as possible. Anyway, it turns out the Judge Dearie is a competent and able judge with knowledge of Trumps dealing with court and the legal system. He issued a case management order to tell Trump has to submit an affidavit under penalty of perjury to the court regarding his claims about the remaining documents at issue by the end of this month. Judge Dearie set an expedited timetable for completing the review of records and ordered Trum to pay a retired Judge $500 p/hour to help review records, and knowing Trumps penchant for not paying his legal advisors, has set a limit of 7 days for paying this judges fees, if he doesn't pay he will be found in contempt of court. So in short, Trumps plan to slow the process down has speeded it up and put him under real pressure.


:top marks

[cabbageandribs1875]

steve bannon has got a four month jail sentence


it would be brilliant if Trump got the same...even better a few years, that **** should be held accountable for the five deaths that day

Donald Trump formally subpoenaed by January 6 committee | Donald Trump | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/21/trump-subpoena-testify-jan-6-committee)

[Hibernia&Alba]

steve bannon has got a four month jail sentence


it would be brilliant if Trump got the same...even better a few years, that **** should be held accountable for the five deaths that day

Donald Trump formally subpoenaed by January 6 committee | Donald Trump | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/21/trump-subpoena-testify-jan-6-committee)

I believe Trump has just been informed he will have to testify to Congress about Jan 6th 2021.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I believe Trump has just been informed he will have to testify to Congress about Jan 6th 2021.



and he will lie through his whitened teeth, the big orange pumpkin that he is

[Lendo]

and he will lie through his whitened teeth, the big orange pumpkin that he is

He’ll just plead the 5th throughout.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Detestable son of Detestable ex-Detestable president Trump

Donald Trump Jr condemned for ‘sick and dangerous’ post mocking Paul Pelosi’s hammer attack (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/donald-trump-jr-condemned-for-sick-and-dangerous-post-mocking-paul-pelosi-s-hammer-attack/ar-AA13zZHS?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2fce7107e61b407f982a94c99e47910f)

[Oscar T Grouch]

I read today that 70% of republicans think a strong economy is more important than a functioning democracy :no way:

The problem with democracy is it is anti-capitalist, it gives a normal citizen the chance to change stuff that would work against the pursuit of profit!!

It certainly looks like this orange monster may have been the trigger that introduced the USA the the slope leading to fascism. Democracy is always going to go pop if you are not willing to accept the results of elections. Trump spread that idea through republicans like the black death.

[greenginger]

I read today that 70% of republicans think a strong economy is more important than a functioning democracy :no way:

The problem with democracy is it is anti-capitalist, it gives a normal citizen the chance to change stuff that would work against the pursuit of profit!!

It certainly looks like this orange monster may have been the trigger that introduced the USA the the slope leading to fascism. Democracy is always going to go pop if you are not willing to accept the results of elections. Trump spread that idea through republicans like the black death.

Just like Hilary Clinton and the Democrats never accepted the election result of 2016.

Russian collusion and all that.

[Ozyhibby]

I read today that 70% of republicans think a strong economy is more important than a functioning democracy :no way:

The problem with democracy is it is anti-capitalist, it gives a normal citizen the chance to change stuff that would work against the pursuit of profit!!

It certainly looks like this orange monster may have been the trigger that introduced the USA the the slope leading to fascism. Democracy is always going to go pop if you are not willing to accept the results of elections. Trump spread that idea through republicans like the black death.

There are plenty in Scotland who are willing to sacrifice democracy to pursue their political goals as well.


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[Mantis Toboggan]

Just like Hilary Clinton and the Democrats never accepted the election result of 2016.

Russian collusion and all that.

I must have missed it when Clinton encouraged folk to storm the Capitol because she didn't accept the result

[Kato]

I must have missed it when Clinton encouraged folk to storm the Capitol because she didn't accept the resultThey accepted the result with the caveat that they suspected there had been interference from outside the country, which was shown to be true.

Just as it was here with Brexit.

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[greenginger]

I must have missed it when Clinton encouraged folk to storm the Capitol because she didn't accept the result


Who said anything anything about storming the Capital . The point was the acceptance of an election result and both sides across the pond seem to have been disputing elections in recent years.

[Stairway 2 7]

There's a difference between saying Russia helped fund campaigns and used bots and the other side saying the election was actually rigged like trump does

[He's here!]

Who said anything anything about storming the Capital . The point was the acceptance of an election result and both sides across the pond seem to have been disputing elections in recent years.

I'm surprised Clinton had anything left to give after the humiliation of actually losing to Trump. I hadn't realised she was so unpopular with so many Americans and I recall expecting her to win comfortably. She must have felt like going into hiding.

[Mantis Toboggan]

Who said anything anything about storming the Capital . The point was the acceptance of an election result and both sides across the pond seem to have been disputing elections in recent years.

There is no comparison between the actions of the two sides and you know it

[grunt]

The point was the acceptance of an election result and both sides across the pond seem to have been disputing elections in recent years.
This is a somewhat false equivalence, isn't it?

[LK1]

The rise of the far right in the USA is very scary to me. It's insane how many extreme lies these republican politicians can say and how easy their followers just swallow up or dont care enough to check. No questions asked, lets own the libs etc.

[Kato]

I'm surprised Clinton had anything left to give after the humiliation of actually losing to Trump. I hadn't realised she was so unpopular with so many Americans and I recall expecting her to win comfortably. She must have felt like going into hiding.She won the popular vote, if you recall.

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[grunt]

The rise of the far right in the USA is very scary to me. It's insane how many extreme lies these republican politicians can say and how easy their followers just swallow up or dont care enough to check. No questions asked, lets own the libs etc.Pretty good description of the UK Government, I'd say.

[Kato]

Pretty good description of the UK Government, I'd say.All the right wing groups in the world are singing generally from Bannons playbook, as well as taking Russian dosh. Uk is no exception.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Democrats are keeping children in their basements to drink their blood Michigan Republican candidate recorded saying Democrats drink the blood of children and ‘sell baby body parts’ (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/politics/michigan-republican-candidate-recorded-saying-democrats-drink-the-blood-of-children-and-sell-baby-body-parts/ar-AA13CIMY?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c3e8b47140ce48d2aa6ec88f5ec04073)

what in gods name is happening with right wingers around the world, they are just plain mentally deranged lying freaks...... and they fool a helluva lot of right wing voters, trucking weirdos the lot of them

[greenginger]

This is a somewhat false equivalence, isn't it?

Not really.

The point is the unequivocal acceptance of an election once all recounts are made.

Clinton banging on about a stolen election for years just gave excuses to the headbangers on the other side to dispute their loss.

[Keith_M]

...

Clinton banging on about a stolen election for years just gave excuses to the headbangers on the other side to dispute their loss.



Could you give some examples of her disputing the election result over the years?

I have to admit to not being entirely up to date with US Politics but I don't remember reading such consistent and ongoing denials of the result.

[grunt]

Not really. The point is the unequivocal acceptance of an election once all recounts are made.

Clinton banging on about a stolen election for years just gave excuses to the headbangers on the other side to dispute their loss.
Ok, but to me this is not quite the point I was making. For the Brexit referendum, I accept that more people voted Leave than Remain. What I do not accept is that it was a fair referendum because one side told outright lies without any sanction, and that same side used illegal activities (including illegal funding from Russia) to unfairly sway public opinion.

So no, I don't accept the Brexit referendum result as valid and I never will.

[Smartie]

Not really.

The point is the unequivocal acceptance of an election once all recounts are made.

Clinton banging on about a stolen election for years just gave excuses to the headbangers on the other side to dispute their loss.

It's all about how you define "acceptance".

[greenginger]

Y
Could you give some examples of her disputing the election result over the years?

I have to admit to not being entirely up to date with US Politics but I don't remember reading such consistent and ongoing denials of the result.

There’s sure to be a few in here.

https://gop.com/research/over-150-examples-of-democrats-denying-election-results-rsr/

[grunt]

Y

There’s sure to be a few in here.

https://gop.com/research/over-150-examples-of-democrats-denying-election-results-rsr/She was right.

[Crunchie]

There are plenty in Scotland who are willing to sacrifice democracy to pursue their political goals as well.


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Never a truer word have you spoken, and they’re still in power.

[McD]

I'm surprised Clinton had anything left to give after the humiliation of actually losing to Trump. I hadn't realised she was so unpopular with so many Americans and I recall expecting her to win comfortably. She must have felt like going into hiding.


she did tally more votes by a not insignificant number iirc, but the way their system works, trump won

[greenginger]

T
she did tally more votes by a not insignificant number iirc, but the way their system works, trump won

Our system can work that way too sometimes.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Marjorie Taylor Greene gets rally to boo Paul Pelosi, says he should have had a gun and shot his attacker (yahoo.com) (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-gets-rally-113301756.html)


how dare Pelosi get his head in the way of a swinging hammer :rolleyes:



During her speech, Greene also commented on the conflict in Ukraine and promised that Republicans will not send money to the country if they retake Congress in the mid-term elections.
"Under Republicans, not another penny will go to Ukraine," Greene told rally-goers. "Our country comes first."


what a repugnant horror she truly is, Trump has started something that i think there's no way back from, big orange pumpkin

[tamig]

Y

There’s sure to be a few in here.

https://gop.com/research/over-150-examples-of-democrats-denying-election-results-rsr/

I think your source casts down on the integrity of this article.

[greenginger]

I think your source casts down on the integrity of this article.


The article consists of clips from tv interviews and quotes directly taken from newspapers like the Washington Post.

Because they were gathered together by the Republican Party committee doesn’t make them untrue.

[Just Alf]

The article consists of clips from tv interviews and quotes directly taken from newspapers like the Washington Post.

Because they were gathered together by the Republican Party committee doesn’t make them untrue.Clips?


I'm too tired after tonight but after all the discussions on here about tories/corbyn/snp/labour/brexit etc etc we surely recognise by now that "clips" can be used to skew perspectives very easily?

I'm sure I've said previously that I worked on the technical side of tv reporting and was often amazed at how easily it was for producers and reporters to portray a completely different meaning to what was intended by the person being quoted by selective quotes..... if I hadn't been there in the flesh I'd have had a completely different viewpoint on what was said.

[grunt]

Because they were gathered together by the Republican Party committee doesn’t make them untrue.

Extremely, dangerously naive.

[McD]

T

Our system can work that way too sometimes.


true, but not as easily. Also not really the point of the post I was replying to

[greenginger]

N
Extremely, dangerously naive.

So a quote taken directly from from an interview with a newspaper like the Washington Post or the words spoken by a person in a TV discussion have to be considered as fake if they are highlighted by a particular side in politics.

[tamig]

N

So a quote taken directly from from an interview with a newspaper like the Washington Post or the words spoken by a person in a TV discussion have to be considered as fake if they are highlighted by a particular side in politics.

See Just Alf’s post above gg. Just another form of selective editing. Easy enough with print media too.

[Stairway 2 7]

See Just Alf’s post above gg. Just another form of selective editing. Easy enough with print media too.

The quotes are pretty cut and dry if you read them, although some are justified. Gore was robbed unlike trump

[greenginger]

See Just Alf’s post above gg. Just another form of selective editing. Easy enough with print media too.

I posted the Republican article in response to post 4657 by Keith_M who said he was unaware of Clinton questioning the 2016 election result.

One example , quote from Clinton in interview with the Washington Post , “ Trump is an illegitimate president and he stole the 2016 election “.

Please explain the selective editing. Are you trying to claim Clinton has never questioned the 2016 election?

[Hibbyradge]

I posted the Republican article in response to post 4657 by Keith_M who said he was unaware of Clinton questioning the 2016 election result.

One example , quote from Clinton in interview with the Washington Post , “ Trump is an illegitimate president and he stole the 2016 election “.

Please explain the selective editing. Are you trying to claim Clinton has never questioned the 2016 election?

There was a huge difference though.

Clinton didn't try to get Governors to overturn legitimate results.

She didn't take spurious law suits to 66 supposedly sympathetic judges hoping that they'd support him.

She didn't encourage attacks on Congress.

There's little doubt that Russian interference helped Trump win so her complaints had merit.

There is literally no evidence to back up Trump's claims.

[WhileTheChief..]

Is the next election looking like being Biden v Trump again, or are there any other names being seriously mentioned on either side yet?

[Keith_M]

I posted the Republican article in response to post 4657 by Keith_M who said he was unaware of Clinton questioning the 2016 election result.

One example , quote from Clinton in interview with the Washington Post , “ Trump is an illegitimate president and he stole the 2016 election “.

Please explain the selective editing. Are you trying to claim Clinton has never questioned the 2016 election?


My question was genuine, mate (not that you've claimed otherwise :greengrin ). Anyway, thanks for the reply. :aok:


I also agree that we have to be careful about dismissing 'news' because we don't like the source.



My feeling is that, while what you've said about both sides in the US having a habit of dismissing election results (with or without good reason) appears to be the case, what Trump and the Republicans did the last time was on a whole new level.

[Stairway 2 7]

Is the next election looking like being Biden v Trump again, or are there any other names being seriously mentioned on either side yet?

Biden clear favourite, Harris quite a bit behind. Same with trump and DeSantis a bit behind. Republicans 8/11 to win the next election unfortunately. Parties in charge during this cost of living crisis look sitting ducks in next election, UK, US, Germany ect

[grunt]

So a quote taken directly from from an interview with a newspaper like the Washington Post or the words spoken by a person in a TV discussion have to be considered as fake if they are highlighted by a particular side in politics.


I also agree that we have to be careful about dismissing 'news' because we don't like the source.
I haven't suggested dismissing the articles. In fact the complete opposite: treat everything you read carefully and try to understand the agenda of the person writing or publishing the article, and don't ascribe accuracy based on the source. And with regard to quotes, take care as quotes can be taken out of context.

Just be cautious, is my advice.

[greenginger]

I haven't suggested dismissing the articles. In fact the complete opposite: treat everything you read carefully and try to understand the agenda of the person writing or publishing the article, and don't ascribe accuracy based on the source. And with regard to quotes, take care as quotes can be taken out of context.

Just be cautious, is my advice.

Agree with you 100%. :aok:

[greenginger]

Is the next election looking like being Biden v Trump again, or are there any other names being seriously mentioned on either side yet?


I hope so. Biden seems to have lost half his marbles already and Trump is toxic.

[overdrive]

Biden clear favourite, Harris quite a bit behind. Same with trump and DeSantis a bit behind. Republicans 8/11 to win the next election unfortunately. Parties in charge during this cost of living crisis look sitting ducks in next election, UK, US, Germany ect

I was hoping Harris would have been a bit more towards the front and centre as VP. She seems to be taking a bit of a back seat. I know a VP needs to be careful not to upstage the President but she seems a bit more 'invisible' than other recent VPs.

[Stairway 2 7]

Looking better than expected so far. Dems might actually hold the senate. Most trump supporters doing really poor. Biden will lose less seats than both Obama and trump at mid terms

[stokesmessiah]

Looking better than expected so far. Dems might actually hold the senate. Most trump supporters doing really poor. Biden will lose less seats than both Obama and trump at mid terms

Wonder if this will derail Trumps plans!?

[Hibbyradge]

Looking better than expected so far. Dems might actually hold the senate. Most trump supporters doing really poor. Biden will lose less seats than both Obama and trump at mid terms

Hopefully 🤞

[Ozyhibby]

Hopefully [emoji1696]

There will be some Democratic strategists hoping he is on the ballot paper in two years time.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Wonder if this will derail Trumps plans!?

He'll have his excuses ready ha. The only problem is who else. I obviously don't want reps to win, but it would be nice if their choice was a bit less of a nut job

[Hibbyradge]

There will be some Democratic strategists hoping he is on the ballot paper in two years time.



Do they reckon he's weak electorally?

[Ozyhibby]

Do they reckon he's weak electorally?

I think he is. Strong with republicans but not with moderate swing voters and that’s what they need to win.


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[Renfrew_Hibby]

Story of the night for me is Ron DeSantis in Florida. He will be Trumps main rival for the Republican nomination and if he was to get it then he would romp home all the way to the White House.

[Stairway 2 7]

Story of the night for me is Ron DeSantis in Florida. He will be Trumps main rival for the Republican nomination and if he was to get it then he would romp home all the way to the White House.

He's equally a right wing anti abortion, pro gun, anti immigration nut job as trumps gang unfortunately

[SHODAN]

He's equally a right wing anti abortion, pro gun, anti immigration nut job as trumps gang unfortunately

Arguably more dangerous as he's a better politician.

[Hibbyradge]

Arguably more dangerous as he's a better politician.

Possibly, but Trump...

[SHODAN]

Possibly, but Trump...

Would be a poignant reminder the systemic problems haven't gone away.

Democrats had control of all three seats of government and did nothing. Roe v Wade was overturned and they did nothing. They are complicit in allowing someone like Trump to take power and maybe this will wake people up to the fact that if your party's just a front for the rich to siphon away left votes then people won't vote for you unconditionally. Even when the alternative is Trump.

[JeMeSouviens]

Do they reckon he's weak electorally?

He's a bit like Corbyn in that he energises the potentially apathetic to actually go out and vote against him.

Republicans have the same problem as British Tories: their base has been completely captured by lunacy but they need moderate votes to win.

[JeMeSouviens]

You've got to applaud the election of Alabama's new State Treasurer though:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhGHnmFWQAIgwPn?format=jpg&name=medium

[DaveF]

You've got to applaud the election of Alabama's new State Treasurer though:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhGHnmFWQAIgwPn?format=jpg&name=medium

Lol, Americans and brilliant names 😂

[Pretty Boy]

Lauren Boebert looking like she may well lose is pleasing. She was strong in the polls but currently trailing her Democratic rival and it's too close to call.

She has been spouting Trump rhetoric all over Colorado and has strong appeal in the rural Republican heartlands. The big urban areas always go Democrat so it looks like the suburban swing voters have turned away from her and by extension the orange fool.

[hibsbollah]

He's equally a right wing anti abortion, pro gun, anti immigration nut job as trumps gang unfortunately

DeSantis has actually trod a middle ground on abortion, he favours a ban on 15 weeks and exemptions for abuse, clearly because he's been advised that the full fat reversal of Roe v wade a net vote loser as a policy. The religious extremism you see in Alabama, Georgia and across the MidWest is less of an issue in Florida, than in other Red States.

[Oscar T Grouch]

I have always thought Trump was just a common thief and grifter, he has that air about him, I wouldn't leave him in a room with anything expensive as you'd likely be searching for it after he had left. It seems that there is a bit of old fashioned larceny entailed in his tenure as the 45th president of the USA!! Investigators are now looking for items that are missing from his time in the White House. There is a US federal law that states any gift the president receives and is worth more than $415 then it has to be handed over to the National Archive to store, if the president wants to keep the item then he has to pay the cost of it otherwise it goes to the NA. It seems a number of gifts the Trumpster received while president have gone missing, these include a pair of diamond earrings, a ceremonial gold medal from a Saudi prince and an expensive set of golf clubs.
I know this is unimportant news just now with the midterms happening and by the look of it the GOP winning back the house but it really reflects what sort of character the 45th president was/is.

[Stairway 2 7]

DeSantis has actually trod a middle ground on abortion, he favours a ban on 15 weeks and exemptions for abuse, clearly because he's been advised that the full fat reversal of Roe v wade a net vote loser as a policy. The religious extremism you see in Alabama, Georgia and across the MidWest is less of an issue in Florida, than in other Red States.

If you're middle ground is that far extreme as desantis it's far away from mine. We'd be rightly in absolute uproar if it came in in Scotland

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/25/ron-desantis-florida-governor-abortion-charlie-crist

Ron DeSantis, was put on the defensive by his Democratic challenger, Charlie Crist, on subjects including abortion and DeSantis’s presidential ambitions.

Crist called Florida’s 15-week abortion ban, which does not include exceptions for rape or incest, “callous and barbaric”

DeSantis said he was proud of the ban but would not say if he supported further restrictions. He also made a string of false claims.
“I’m proud of the 15 weeks that we did. I know Charlie Crist opposes that even though the baby is fully formed, has a heartbeat, can feel pain and can suck their thumb.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/23/ron-desantis-andrew-warren-abortion-ban-lawsuit-trial
DeSantis to face trial for suspension of prosecutor who defied abortion ban law
Andrew Warren, a Democrat, sued Florida governor for suspension after saying he would not enforce new 15-week abortion law

[hibsbollah]

If you're middle ground is that far extreme as desantis it's far away from mine. We'd be rightly in absolute uproar if it came in in Scotland

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/25/ron-desantis-florida-governor-abortion-charlie-crist

Ron DeSantis, was put on the defensive by his Democratic challenger, Charlie Crist, on subjects including abortion and DeSantis’s presidential ambitions.

Crist called Florida’s 15-week abortion ban, which does not include exceptions for rape or incest, “callous and barbaric”

DeSantis said he was proud of the ban but would not say if he supported further restrictions. He also made a string of false claims.
“I’m proud of the 15 weeks that we did. I know Charlie Crist opposes that even though the baby is fully formed, has a heartbeat, can feel pain and can suck their thumb.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/23/ron-desantis-andrew-warren-abortion-ban-lawsuit-trial
DeSantis to face trial for suspension of prosecutor who defied abortion ban law
Andrew Warren, a Democrat, sued Florida governor for suspension after saying he would not enforce new 15-week abortion law

Its nothing to do with what we'd define as extreme in Scotland. You said 'He's equally as anti-abortion as Trumps gang'. i was just pointing out that's not the case. They will pick and choose the individual causes they trumpet based on the dynamics of their home state.

[Stairway 2 7]

Its nothing to do with what we'd define as extreme in Scotland. You said 'He's equally as anti-abortion as Trumps gang'. i was just pointing out that's not the case. They will pick and choose the individual causes they trumpet based on the dynamics of their home state.

Weird thing to pick out. He only chose 15 weeks because he knew he'd win that, in 2018 he supported dropping it to be banned after 6 weeks even in cases of rape. That's obviously a near full ban as most don't know before this. He's not stating what he thinks personally because he's tied into his presidential bid
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/ncna1296843

He's very pro trump and has ran on that

[Stairway 2 7]

More trump allies will be disappointed with the lack of a red tsunami and that's Putin and chums

https://archive.ph/jX6Yu

[Smartie]

Weird thing to pick out. He only chose 15 weeks because he knew he'd win that, in 2018 he supported dropping it to be banned after 6 weeks even in cases of rape. That's obviously a near full ban as most don't know before this. He's not stating what he thinks personally because he's tied into his presidential bid
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/ncna1296843

He's very pro trump and has ran on that

Is he not probably Trump's biggest rival?

I have a "mate" who is into his politics and incredibly right wing (we lock horns quite a lot).

He's a huge fan of De Santis - all the right wingness of Trump but without the toxicity.


I'm somewhat relieved that Trump appears to be fairly toxic, although not naive enough to expect that any republican alternative is likely to be much better in practice.

[Stairway 2 7]

Is he not probably Trump's biggest rival?

I have a "mate" who is into his politics and incredibly right wing (we lock horns quite a lot).

He's a huge fan of De Santis - all the right wingness of Trump but without the toxicity.


I'm somewhat relieved that Trump appears to be fairly toxic, although not naive enough to expect that any republican alternative is likely to be much better in practice.

Biggest rival for victory, but similar parts of the party unfortunately. As someone said perhaps more dangerous than trump as he's not seen as a joke but his politics are vile. Many love him because he famously tried to reject all lockdown measures in Florida during covid, the massive deaths prove how that went

His famous line is, florida is where woke goes to die

[hibsbollah]

Weird thing to pick out. He only chose 15 weeks because he knew he'd win that, in 2018 he supported dropping it to be banned after 6 weeks even in cases of rape. That's obviously a near full ban as most don't know before this. He's not stating what he thinks personally because he's tied into his presidential bid
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/ncna1296843

He's very pro trump and has ran on that

It’s well known De Santis had taken a less extreme position on abortion than others on that wing of the party. You obviously didn’t know that, that’s fine, but don’t deflect for the sake of it. You have a real problem with doubling down after your mistakes. Just own it and move on.

[Stairway 2 7]

It’s well known De Santis had taken a less extreme position on abortion than others on that wing of the party. You obviously didn’t know that, that’s fine, but don’t deflect for the sake of it. You have a real problem with doubling down after your mistakes. Just own it and move on.

What... He campaigned for it banned after 6 weeks including rape, that's the extreme side of even the republican party. I'm well aware that he's anti abortion thats why i said it because he is. The article says he isn't committing on his position, so probably only well known in your head. Yes there is more extreme but the majority are less so

[Stairway 2 7]

In this article they say they expect de Santis to go to war on woke. They also expect him to push for an abortion ban down to 6 weeks. Since most don't find out until around this date it's verging on banning abortion in Florida

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/elections/2022/11/08/what-florida-could-expect-ron-desantis-second-term/%3foutputType=amp

He's also trying to change it so a jury doesn't have to be unanimous to sentence someone to death, nutjob

[Stairway 2 7]

Trumpet not happy

Jim Acosta
@Acosta
“Trump is livid” and “screaming at everyone,” after last night’s disappointing midterm results for GOP, according to a Trump adviser. The adviser went on to slam the former president’s handpicked contenders: “they were all bad candidates.” “Candidates matter,” the adviser said

This adviser said it’s unlikely Trump would delay his expected presidential announcement because “it’s too humiliating to delay.” But the adviser said there are too many unknowns at this point

[hibsbollah]

What... He campaigned for it banned after 6 weeks including rape, that's the extreme side of even the republican party. I'm well aware that he's anti abortion thats why i said it because he is. The article says he isn't committing on his position, so probably only well known in your head. Yes there is more extreme but the majority are less so

But you know that Kentucky and Louisiana lawmakers for example, have banned abortion in ALL circumstances? And there are a range of different limits across all states? So there are differences within the Republican establishment? And deSantis has now a position of 15 weeks and a continuation of state facilities? Do you accept that? It’s easier to get an abortion in New Orleans these days for you to accept you’ve said something incorrect FGS man :faf:

[Stairway 2 7]

But you know that Kentucky and Louisiana lawmakers for example, have banned abortion in ALL circumstances? And there are a range of different limits across all states? So there are differences within the Republican establishment? And deSantis has now a position of 15 weeks and a continuation of state facilities? Do you accept that? It’s easier to get an abortion in New Orleans these days for you to accept you’ve said something incorrect FGS man :faf:
I said he's trumpian in lots of issues including guns abortion, immigration ect, I stand by that. There will be some that are further right on the trump group on all they issues, but desantis is still insane.

He's dropped it to 15 weeks. He campaigned for 6 and that's what people expect him to do next. There will be some pro trump governors that will be less right than he is on other issues. The point is he's pro trump and to the right of the party.

[Ozyhibby]

But you know that Kentucky and Louisiana lawmakers for example, have banned abortion in ALL circumstances? And there are a range of different limits across all states? So there are differences within the Republican establishment? And deSantis has now a position of 15 weeks and a continuation of state facilities? Do you accept that? It’s easier to get an abortion in New Orleans these days for you to accept you’ve said something incorrect FGS man :faf:

Kentucky voters have put a stop to that last night.

https://twitter.com/ap/status/1590339178663129091?s=46&t=Jj9wfxij5ANBJUb0EX-WdA


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[Stairway 2 7]

Kentucky voters have put a stop to that last night.

https://twitter.com/ap/status/1590339178663129091?s=46&t=Jj9wfxij5ANBJUb0EX-WdA


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Abortion rights have been a killer for reps in alot of states. The female/male rep dem voter difference in pennsylvania was mad, female vote basically won it for the dems against pro abortion Mehmet Oz

[Stairway 2 7]

Even further divide than uk left right by age, more akin to Scots independence votes. Well done the yoof

John Della Volpe
@dellavolpe
·
11h
One thing I know already.

If not for voters under 30 ... tonight WOULD have been a Red Wave.

CNN National House Exit Poll

R+ 13 65+
R+ 11 45-64

D +2 30-44
D +28 18-29

#GenZ did their job

[He's here!]

Republicans win Wisconsin. Senate remains too close to call.

Not well versed on the mechanics of US politics but am I right in thinking that with the Republicans seemingly certain to win back control of the House, even if the Democrats edge the Senate Biden is pretty much screwed in terms of trying to pass any legislation?

[JeMeSouviens]

Republicans win Wisconsin. Senate remains too close to call.

Not well versed on the mechanics of US politics but am I right in thinking that with the Republicans seemingly certain to win back control of the House, even if the Democrats edge the Senate Biden is pretty much screwed in terms of trying to pass any legislation?

Looking like the Dems will hold the senate. Arizona pretty much in the bag and almost caught up in Nevada with 100K or so postal votes to count which should favour them. They'd also be favourites to win the Georgia runoff, especially if Trump makes a lot of noise between now and Dec 6. He's widely tipped to announce his candidacy for 2024 in the next couple of weeks.

The House of Representatives is still in play also, although the Dems need the majority of the remaining close calls to go their way. Republicans still favourites.

You are right that both chambers need to pass legislation but voting against party and compromises "across the aisle" are more common than they are in Westminster politics. But it's true it gives Biden a big headache in terms of getting anything remotely controversial done.

[cabbageandribs1875]

projected win for Democrats in Arizona will mean it's 49-49

Nevada looks incredibly close with republicans just 821 ahead at the moment with Est vote in 94%

Rep- Laxalt

48.5% 467,208

Dems- Masto

48.4% 466,387


it will be hilarious if Masto wins by one vote, after 20 recounts :greengrin Laxalt is a trump-endorsed 2020 election denier


House is now

Democrats -203
Republicans - 211


218 controls the House

[cabbageandribs1875]

Democrats keep control of the Senate

[Callum_62]

Democrats keep control of the SenateAnd still have a shot at the house (apparently)

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[Stairway 2 7]

@theipaper
🔴 Exclusive: Rupert Murdoch has told Donald Trump that he will not back any attempt by the former president to return to the White House and could even back a Democrat against him, sources close to the media mogul have told
@theipaper

It is understood that News Corp and Fox News chairman Mr Murdoch has, in the past few days, made it clear to Mr Trump that the poor showing from the Republican candidates he backed during the US midterm elections has put an end to his political career.

One senior News Corp source told
@theipaper
: “We have been clear with Donald.

“There have been conversations between them during which Rupert made it clear to Donald that we cannot back another run for the White House.”

[Hibbyradge]

@theipaper
🔴 Exclusive: Rupert Murdoch has told Donald Trump that he will not back any attempt by the former president to return to the White House and could even back a Democrat against him, sources close to the media mogul have told
@theipaper

It is understood that News Corp and Fox News chairman Mr Murdoch has, in the past few days, made it clear to Mr Trump that the poor showing from the Republican candidates he backed during the US midterm elections has put an end to his political career.

One senior News Corp source told
@theipaper
: “We have been clear with Donald.

“There have been conversations between them during which Rupert made it clear to Donald that we cannot back another run for the White House.”

I do hope this is true.

I know there are loads of right wing republicans I'll despise sitting in the wings, but I just do not want to see that disgusting monster Trump back in the White House ever again.

ABT.

[heretoday]

Another nutcase bites the dust in Arizona.

[JeMeSouviens]

I do hope this is true.

I know there are loads of right wing republicans I'll despise sitting in the wings, but I just do not want to see that disgusting monster Trump back in the White House ever again.

ABT.

Best case is the Republicans pick DeSantis and Trump stands as an independent, drawing enough of the nutter vote for a Dem landslide. Quite plausible.

[Haymaker]

Paperwork filed, he's running in 2024.

[JimBHibees]

Paperwork filed, he's running in 2024.

Time to put him in jail and stop him

[Stairway 2 7]

De Santis now favourite to be nominated, horrible nutter. Pray for a Biden win

[Ozyhibby]

De Santis now favourite to be nominated, horrible nutter. Pray for a Biden win

Not without a big fight though. Even if De Santis wins, do Trump supporters accept defeat and then rally behind De Santis? With Trump, it’s never going to be a clean fight.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Not without a big fight though. Even if De Santis wins, do Trump supporters accept defeat and then rally behind De Santis? With Trump, it’s never going to be a clean fight.


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I doubt they will stop at any point, they are definitely at the point of being a cult now

[Mon Dieu4]

Not without a big fight though. Even if De Santis wins, do Trump supporters accept defeat and then rally behind De Santis? With Trump, it’s never going to be a clean fight.


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He's mental enough to run as an independent candidate and lots of his followers would vote for him which would split the republican vote even more

[Renfrew_Hibby]

He lost the popular vote by 3M vs Clinton then by something like 7M vs Biden. Just look at the Trump backed candidates in the mid terms... he ain't winning in 2024.

I'd be more worried about De Santis tbh.

[Haymaker]

Not without a big fight though. Even if De Santis wins, do Trump supporters accept defeat and then rally behind De Santis? With Trump, it’s never going to be a clean fight.


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Here's the two things I think could happen:

1) him and DeSantis fight it out, DeSantis wins the nomination, Trump throws toys out of pram and his supporters don't vote for RD. Dems win.

2) him and DeSantis fight it out, DeSantis wins the nomination, Trump throws toys out of pram and runs as an independent splitting the R vote. Dems win "Biggly".

[greenginger]

Republicans get 218 seats and win the House

[Callum_62]

Republicans get 218 seats and win the HouseSounds like fun and games on the way

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/16/us-midterms-2022-republicans-win-control-house-representatives-congress-midterm-election-results

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[Stairway 2 7]

Quite amazing midterms for Biden. There is usually a huge shift from the incumbent at mid terms. I think every analysis predicted there would be a huge rep majority in both houses. Think it kills trumps chances

[Oscar T Grouch]

Are the rumours that Trump has a dossier of dirt on De Santos true, that could ruin any run he would have? Having said that I think it was only Trump that has said that so it is more than likely untrue. Love it when Republicans go after each other, it tends to mean a democrat in the WH. De Santos is a dangerous man and like Trump a despot in waiting.

[Callum_62]

Are the rumours that Trump has a dossier of dirt on De Santos true, that could ruin any run he would have? Having said that I think it was only Trump that has said that so it is more than likely untrue. Love it when Republicans go after each other, it tends to mean a democrat in the WH. De Santos is a dangerous man and like Trump a despot in waiting.Thankfully Trumps presidency
went decades without starting a new war apparently

[emoji106]

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[Rumble de Thump]

How many court cases are pending against Trump?

[Bristolhibby]

He's mental enough to run as an independent candidate and lots of his followers would vote for him which would split the republican vote even more

That would be wonderful.

J

[cabbageandribs1875]

defeat for Palin, only for a few months, but.. Democrat Mary Peltola defeats Sarah Palin to become first Native Alaskan woman to win congressional race (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrat-mary-peltola-defeats-sarah-palin-to-become-first-native-alaskan-woman-to-win-congressional-race/ar-AA11kBqw)





double defeat for Sarah Palin, all good
Sarah Palin mercilessly mocked on Twitter after Alaska election loss to Mary Peltola: ‘I can see her defeat from my house’ (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/sarah-palin-mercilessly-mocked-on-twitter-after-alaska-election-loss-to-mary-peltola-i-can-see-her-defeat-from-my-house/ar-AA14wo38?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9202bae4e5044d0aa1771dd414232a17)

[DaveF]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63754702

Just when you think the US can't get any crazier.

[cabbageandribs1875]

a man of god my ******* erky, in a country full of guns Right-wing pastor celebrates Club Q massacre as 'good thing' in hate-filled sermon (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/us/right-wing-pastor-celebrates-club-q-massacre-as-good-thing-in-hate-filled-sermon/ar-AA14xW7e?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=31d00b1ba1784fa9a0fc671e8df4f338)




mind you though the father of the shooter is one vile piece of human garbage as well

[Hibbyradge]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63754702

Just when you think the US can't get any crazier.

He's ill and he needs help.

[Stairway 2 7]

Donald Trump had a meeting with anti semite nutter Kanye West and horrible racist Nick Fuentes.

https://www.dw.com/en/trump-under-fire-for-dinner-with-white-supremacist-fuentes/a-63905440?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf

A thread on just how far right Fuentes is, very dangerous legitimising the wee creep
https://mobile.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1196604409607794688

[neil7908]

Donald Trump had a meeting with anti semite nutter Kanye West and horrible racist Nick Fuentes.

https://www.dw.com/en/trump-under-fire-for-dinner-with-white-supremacist-fuentes/a-63905440?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf

A thread on just how far right Fuentes is, very dangerous legitimising the wee creep
https://mobile.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1196604409607794688

This is the guy that's Israel's best friend 😂.

[Stairway 2 7]

Jeez Kanye west has just gone on Alex Jones info wars show with nick Fuentes. Kanye has said, I like Hitler and I like the nazis. Jones sheepishly disagreed but let them spout

https://mobile.twitter.com/deonteleologist/status/1598385704937357312
Kanye: “I don’t like the word ‘evil’ next to Nazis… I love Jewish people, but I also love Nazis

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1598388406568255488
The nazis did good things too, we have to stop dissing the nazis

[DaveF]

Jeez Kanye west has just gone on Alex Jones info wars show with nick Fuentes. Kanye has said, I like Hitler and I like the nazis. Jones sheepishly disagreed but let them spout

https://mobile.twitter.com/deonteleologist/status/1598385704937357312
Kanye: “I don’t like the word ‘evil’ next to Nazis… I love Jewish people, but I also love Nazis

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1598388406568255488
The nazis did good things too, we have to stop dissing the nazis

That guy needs to be sectioned for his own good.

[Stairway 2 7]

Fuentes and Kanye say they support both Putin and Russia. Stupid little bairns who need shown round the remains of a concentration camp. They think everything is fun but the hatred they incite is real

https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1598438337039196160

[Sergio sledge]

He's ill and he needs help.

Yup, sadly like many rich/famous people he's probably surrounded by hangers on who don't want to help him for fear of losing their meal ticket.

[cabbageandribs1875]

twitter suspension for kanye west Kanye West suspended from Twitter after posting swastika inside Star of David | Kanye West | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/dec/02/kanye-west-suspended-from-twitter-after-posting-swastika-inside-the-star-of-david?fbclid=IwAR3JkwiBfyWWfbOcvLnw2eUhROfitSUXb0l Dah6B-BVNyGTcpjXSi3h4PRo)