(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[SanFranHibs]

When you're as incredibly stupid as Trump is, this kind of statement makes sense.

He a stupid man, surrounded by stupid people, having been voted for by desperate people.

It is frightening that he is in the most powerful position in the world, and every time he opens his mouth in relation to North Korea, Israel/ Palestine or Iran, I am terrified of what he might stir up.

I'm going to become a father for the first time in February, and these are not days that I really want to be wishing away. But for the good of our entire species, the time that that idiot finds himself as far away from the White House (hopefully at most 3 years although I still hold out hope that he gets caught out and finds himself impeached) cannot come quick enough.

What a lot of ignorant and arrogant nonsense, typical of the liberal democrats in this country and a great contributor to his being elected.

Regardless of what people think of his comments on the Billy Bush tape, he ran on issues, contrary to what his opponents claim. One might disagree with his proposal on border security/open borders but it was clear. One might disagree with repealing the unaffordable Health Care act but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on defeating Isis but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on the economy and crippling corporate tax rates but it was clear. One might disagree with his stance on energy independence but it was clear, People could identify or disagree with his platform but it was an issue based platform. When I talk about it with Democrats here in Dallas I ask them what they disagree with and not one has a clear rebuttal. When I ask what they think of his first year they are at a loss to condemn him because they wanted Isis defeated, they are liking the idea of tax cuts. And of course when I ask what the Democrats policy was during the election and is now on all these issues they can't even respond. They all stand dumb because the Democrats had no actual proposals. I don't see the Democrats as a party of ideas now, like they used to be. They just want to spread racism, divide people and they do their best to make sure that people are not united but stay in their groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion and anything else they can think of.

If any Democrat is still angry that Trump was elected they have only themselves to blame for rigging their process against Sanders to ensure Clinton got the nomination. She may have anyway but even that in-party corruption was another arrow for Trump to fire. The fact is, Clinton and her rapist husband are thoroughly detestable people and made it easy for people not to care about Trumps lewd talk in Hollywood. Not sure how much of the Clinton story people there really know but there is so much evidence that is not disputed of their body count, their corruption, Bill's sexual crimes, Hillary's trashing and demeaning her husbands accusers, stealing Clinton foundation money. It just goes on and on. And I don't mean web sites like Alex Jones's Infowars. There is some great work by individuals and groups such as Peter Schweizer, Judicial Watch, The Hill. Bottom line is the Clintons and their machine is the most disgusting entity in American politics. They have corrupted and politicized the DOJ and the FBI to the point that the country's faith in these organisations is at an all time low.

America had a choice between the corrupt Clintons and Trump. No-one should not be surprised that much of the country rejected Clinton.

And as far as accepting Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and relocating the US Embassy there I think people who spout nonsense that this not the right time or it is insensitive need to think before they speak. Unless you do not think the State of Israel should even exist then you must accept they can have their capital anywhere they wish. And if you accept that then what is the problem with any country acknowledging this and having their embassy there. When is it ever going to be a good time? Next year, the year after? Another 100 years down the peace process road? And Trump doing this proves again his courage compared to his 3 predecessors, Clinton, Bush and Obama who all claimed in the election campaigns they would do this but were all too scared and it was because they were all too scared. It certainly was not because they cared for the Palestinians at all.

This has been a great first year for the Trump presidency. Unless he is assassinated he is going to be the greatest president of all time.

[John_R_Corbett]

Is that you Donald?

[Slavers]

What a lot of ignorant and arrogant nonsense, typical of the liberal democrats in this country and a great contributor to his being elected.

Regardless of what people think of his comments on the Billy Bush tape, he ran on issues, contrary to what his opponents claim. One might disagree with his proposal on border security/open borders but it was clear. One might disagree with repealing the unaffordable Health Care act but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on defeating Isis but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on the economy and crippling corporate tax rates but it was clear. One might disagree with his stance on energy independence but it was clear, People could identify or disagree with his platform but it was an issue based platform. When I talk about it with Democrats here in Dallas I ask them what they disagree with and not one has a clear rebuttal. When I ask what they think of his first year they are at a loss to condemn him because they wanted Isis defeated, they are liking the idea of tax cuts. And of course when I ask what the Democrats policy was during the election and is now on all these issues they can't even respond. They all stand dumb because the Democrats had no actual proposals. I don't see the Democrats as a party of ideas now, like they used to be. They just want to spread racism, divide people and they do their best to make sure that people are not united but stay in their groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion and anything else they can think of.

If any Democrat is still angry that Trump was elected they have only themselves to blame for rigging their process against Sanders to ensure Clinton got the nomination. She may have anyway but even that in-party corruption was another arrow for Trump to fire. The fact is, Clinton and her rapist husband are thoroughly detestable people and made it easy for people not to care about Trumps lewd talk in Hollywood. Not sure how much of the Clinton story people there really know but there is so much evidence that is not disputed of their body count, their corruption, Bill's sexual crimes, Hillary's trashing and demeaning her husbands accusers, stealing Clinton foundation money. It just goes on and on. And I don't mean web sites like Alex Jones's Infowars. There is some great work by individuals and groups such as Peter Schweizer, Judicial Watch, The Hill. Bottom line is the Clintons and their machine is the most disgusting entity in American politics. They have corrupted and politicized the DOJ and the FBI to the point that the country's faith in these organisations is at an all time low.

America had a choice between the corrupt Clintons and Trump. No-one should not be surprised that much of the country rejected Clinton.

And as far as accepting Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and relocating the US Embassy there I think people who spout nonsense that this not the right time or it is insensitive need to think before they speak. Unless you do not think the State of Israel should even exist then you must accept they can have their capital anywhere they wish. And if you accept that then what is the problem with any country acknowledging this and having their embassy there. When is it ever going to be a good time? Next year, the year after? Another 100 years down the peace process road? And Trump doing this proves again his courage compared to his 3 predecessors, Clinton, Bush and Obama who all claimed in the election campaigns they would do this but were all too scared and it was because they were all too scared. It certainly was not because they cared for the Palestinians at all.

This has been a great first year for the Trump presidency. Unless he is assassinated he is going to be the greatest president of all time.

Great post!

[wpj]

What a lot of ignorant and arrogant nonsense, typical of the liberal democrats in this country and a great contributor to his being elected.

Regardless of what people think of his comments on the Billy Bush tape, he ran on issues, contrary to what his opponents claim. One might disagree with his proposal on border security/open borders but it was clear. One might disagree with repealing the unaffordable Health Care act but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on defeating Isis but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on the economy and crippling corporate tax rates but it was clear. One might disagree with his stance on energy independence but it was clear, People could identify or disagree with his platform but it was an issue based platform. When I talk about it with Democrats here in Dallas I ask them what they disagree with and not one has a clear rebuttal. When I ask what they think of his first year they are at a loss to condemn him because they wanted Isis defeated, they are liking the idea of tax cuts. And of course when I ask what the Democrats policy was during the election and is now on all these issues they can't even respond. They all stand dumb because the Democrats had no actual proposals. I don't see the Democrats as a party of ideas now, like they used to be. They just want to spread racism, divide people and they do their best to make sure that people are not united but stay in their groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion and anything else they can think of.

If any Democrat is still angry that Trump was elected they have only themselves to blame for rigging their process against Sanders to ensure Clinton got the nomination. She may have anyway but even that in-party corruption was another arrow for Trump to fire. The fact is, Clinton and her rapist husband are thoroughly detestable people and made it easy for people not to care about Trumps lewd talk in Hollywood. Not sure how much of the Clinton story people there really know but there is so much evidence that is not disputed of their body count, their corruption, Bill's sexual crimes, Hillary's trashing and demeaning her husbands accusers, stealing Clinton foundation money. It just goes on and on. And I don't mean web sites like Alex Jones's Infowars. There is some great work by individuals and groups such as Peter Schweizer, Judicial Watch, The Hill. Bottom line is the Clintons and their machine is the most disgusting entity in American politics. They have corrupted and politicized the DOJ and the FBI to the point that the country's faith in these organisations is at an all time low.

America had a choice between the corrupt Clintons and Trump. No-one should not be surprised that much of the country rejected Clinton.

And as far as accepting Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and relocating the US Embassy there I think people who spout nonsense that this not the right time or it is insensitive need to think before they speak. Unless you do not think the State of Israel should even exist then you must accept they can have their capital anywhere they wish. And if you accept that then what is the problem with any country acknowledging this and having their embassy there. When is it ever going to be a good time? Next year, the year after? Another 100 years down the peace process road? And Trump doing this proves again his courage compared to his 3 predecessors, Clinton, Bush and Obama who all claimed in the election campaigns they would do this but were all too scared and it was because they were all too scared. It certainly was not because they cared for the Palestinians at all.

This has been a great first year for the Trump presidency. Unless he is assassinated he is going to be the greatest president of all time.

Have we fast forwarded to 1st April? The man is a misogynist arrogant ignorant manchild who sits up at night tweeting bollocks. He is a complete imbecile who is manipulating the free press and promoting right wing media as gospel. His agenda of hate and ignorance will be his undoing and I like many many others will rejoice in his downfall. And no, I do not like the Clintons but it is possible to dislike two electoral candidates even in a two horse billionaire only "democracy".

[Pete]

What a lot of ignorant and arrogant nonsense, typical of the liberal democrats in this country and a great contributor to his being elected.

Regardless of what people think of his comments on the Billy Bush tape, he ran on issues, contrary to what his opponents claim. One might disagree with his proposal on border security/open borders but it was clear. One might disagree with repealing the unaffordable Health Care act but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on defeating Isis but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on the economy and crippling corporate tax rates but it was clear. One might disagree with his stance on energy independence but it was clear, People could identify or disagree with his platform but it was an issue based platform. When I talk about it with Democrats here in Dallas I ask them what they disagree with and not one has a clear rebuttal. When I ask what they think of his first year they are at a loss to condemn him because they wanted Isis defeated, they are liking the idea of tax cuts. And of course when I ask what the Democrats policy was during the election and is now on all these issues they can't even respond. They all stand dumb because the Democrats had no actual proposals. I don't see the Democrats as a party of ideas now, like they used to be. They just want to spread racism, divide people and they do their best to make sure that people are not united but stay in their groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion and anything else they can think of.

If any Democrat is still angry that Trump was elected they have only themselves to blame for rigging their process against Sanders to ensure Clinton got the nomination. She may have anyway but even that in-party corruption was another arrow for Trump to fire. The fact is, Clinton and her rapist husband are thoroughly detestable people and made it easy for people not to care about Trumps lewd talk in Hollywood. Not sure how much of the Clinton story people there really know but there is so much evidence that is not disputed of their body count, their corruption, Bill's sexual crimes, Hillary's trashing and demeaning her husbands accusers, stealing Clinton foundation money. It just goes on and on. And I don't mean web sites like Alex Jones's Infowars. There is some great work by individuals and groups such as Peter Schweizer, Judicial Watch, The Hill. Bottom line is the Clintons and their machine is the most disgusting entity in American politics. They have corrupted and politicized the DOJ and the FBI to the point that the country's faith in these organisations is at an all time low.

America had a choice between the corrupt Clintons and Trump. No-one should not be surprised that much of the country rejected Clinton.

And as far as accepting Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and relocating the US Embassy there I think people who spout nonsense that this not the right time or it is insensitive need to think before they speak. Unless you do not think the State of Israel should even exist then you must accept they can have their capital anywhere they wish. And if you accept that then what is the problem with any country acknowledging this and having their embassy there. When is it ever going to be a good time? Next year, the year after? Another 100 years down the peace process road? And Trump doing this proves again his courage compared to his 3 predecessors, Clinton, Bush and Obama who all claimed in the election campaigns they would do this but were all too scared and it was because they were all too scared. It certainly was not because they cared for the Palestinians at all.

This has been a great first year for the Trump presidency. Unless he is assassinated he is going to be the greatest president of all time.

I think it was around “unaffordable healthcare act” where I began to get this sinking feeling.

I just thank the lord (you’re probably very familiar with him ) that the world is a bigger place than the Trump voting American states who think the entire world revolves around their axis.

Trump can’t see that he’s a global laughing stock and an embarrassment so it’s obvious that his supporters won’t either.

[McD]

What a lot of ignorant and arrogant nonsense, typical of the liberal democrats in this country and a great contributor to his being elected.

Regardless of what people think of his comments on the Billy Bush tape, he ran on issues, contrary to what his opponents claim. One might disagree with his proposal on border security/open borders but it was clear. One might disagree with repealing the unaffordable Health Care act but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on defeating Isis but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on the economy and crippling corporate tax rates but it was clear. One might disagree with his stance on energy independence but it was clear, People could identify or disagree with his platform but it was an issue based platform. When I talk about it with Democrats here in Dallas I ask them what they disagree with and not one has a clear rebuttal. When I ask what they think of his first year they are at a loss to condemn him because they wanted Isis defeated, they are liking the idea of tax cuts. And of course when I ask what the Democrats policy was during the election and is now on all these issues they can't even respond. They all stand dumb because the Democrats had no actual proposals. I don't see the Democrats as a party of ideas now, like they used to be. They just want to spread racism, divide people and they do their best to make sure that people are not united but stay in their groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion and anything else they can think of.

If any Democrat is still angry that Trump was elected they have only themselves to blame for rigging their process against Sanders to ensure Clinton got the nomination. She may have anyway but even that in-party corruption was another arrow for Trump to fire. The fact is, Clinton and her rapist husband are thoroughly detestable people and made it easy for people not to care about Trumps lewd talk in Hollywood. Not sure how much of the Clinton story people there really know but there is so much evidence that is not disputed of their body count, their corruption, Bill's sexual crimes, Hillary's trashing and demeaning her husbands accusers, stealing Clinton foundation money. It just goes on and on. And I don't mean web sites like Alex Jones's Infowars. There is some great work by individuals and groups such as Peter Schweizer, Judicial Watch, The Hill. Bottom line is the Clintons and their machine is the most disgusting entity in American politics. They have corrupted and politicized the DOJ and the FBI to the point that the country's faith in these organisations is at an all time low.

America had a choice between the corrupt Clintons and Trump. No-one should not be surprised that much of the country rejected Clinton.

And as far as accepting Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and relocating the US Embassy there I think people who spout nonsense that this not the right time or it is insensitive need to think before they speak. Unless you do not think the State of Israel should even exist then you must accept they can have their capital anywhere they wish. And if you accept that then what is the problem with any country acknowledging this and having their embassy there. When is it ever going to be a good time? Next year, the year after? Another 100 years down the peace process road? And Trump doing this proves again his courage compared to his 3 predecessors, Clinton, Bush and Obama who all claimed in the election campaigns they would do this but were all too scared and it was because they were all too scared. It certainly was not because they cared for the Palestinians at all.

This has been a great first year for the Trump presidency. Unless he is assassinated he is going to be the greatest president of all time.



Wow.....

and no comment on:
Trump’s sexual assault claims,
his dismissal of ALL criticism as fake news,
his dubious links to Russia,
his hypocritical digs at Britain regarding terrorism,
the fact he asked the FBI not to investigate things into his people,
his extremely divisive rhetoric,
his unbalanced responses to similar situations with different racial populations,
his extremely crass way of speaking with widowed service wives,
his petulant spiteful tweets,
his verbal abuse of black athletes choosing to exercise their freedom of speech in a peaceful manner,
his hypocritical attitude to pre and post presidency (for example, criticised Obama for taking what he deemed to be too many holiday days, but has taken more himself),
the nonsense he perpetuates to further his own ends (Obama wasn’t born in the US, suddenly becomes, oh he was but I never said he wasn’t),
the blatant lies he tells to suit his agenda of the day,
the fact he manages to deflect attention from his own negative (and possibly illegal) issues (such as the afore mentioned Jerusalem debacle coming hot on the heels of yet another Russian link),
he’s blamed the country’s ills on some illegal Mexican immigrants, and has used bully boy tactics to try to bully Mexicans into building a wall that serves very little purpose - a classy move from the leader of the free world, using his position to berate, belittle and bully a much smaller and less wealthy nation.

the man has managed to lie and manipulate his way into a position of great power, when he has zero experience in running a nation or an economy (please don’t point to his business experience, it’s not the same and his business record isn’t great), and he’s appointed clowns like his son-in-law to positions of power and influence rather than people with experience or know how.

The greatest of all Time? He’s a petty, spiteful, nasty creature.

[bigwheel]

This has been a great first year for the Trump presidency. Unless he is assassinated he is going to be the greatest president of all time.


is this irony? History will remember this as the all time low point of American politics...when they went from a leaders voice around the world to eroding their position of authority on the world stage. He may have ran with populist policies. And yes, the opposition only have themselves to blame - but he is racist, a misogynist and a bully - and must be the weakest strategist to ever have held the office.

[John_R_Corbett]

is this irony? History will remember this as the all time low point of American politics...when they went from a leaders voice around the world to eroding their position of authority on the world stage. He may have ran with populist policies. And yes, the opposition only have themselves to blame - but he is racist, a misogynist and a bully - and must be the weakest strategist to ever have held the office.That's a far more accurate description than in the post you quoted but you missed out buffoon.

[s.a.m]

That's a far more accurate description than in the post you quoted but you missed out buffoon.

:agree: And orange. He missed out orange too.

[hibsbollah]

What a lot of ignorant and arrogant nonsense, typical of the liberal democrats in this country and a great contributor to his being elected.

Regardless of what people think of his comments on the Billy Bush tape, he ran on issues, contrary to what his opponents claim. One might disagree with his proposal on border security/open borders but it was clear. One might disagree with repealing the unaffordable Health Care act but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on defeating Isis but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on the economy and crippling corporate tax rates but it was clear. One might disagree with his stance on energy independence but it was clear, People could identify or disagree with his platform but it was an issue based platform. When I talk about it with Democrats here in Dallas I ask them what they disagree with and not one has a clear rebuttal. When I ask what they think of his first year they are at a loss to condemn him because they wanted Isis defeated, they are liking the idea of tax cuts. And of course when I ask what the Democrats policy was during the election and is now on all these issues they can't even respond. They all stand dumb because the Democrats had no actual proposals. I don't see the Democrats as a party of ideas now, like they used to be. They just want to spread racism, divide people and they do their best to make sure that people are not united but stay in their groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion and anything else they can think of.

If any Democrat is still angry that Trump was elected they have only themselves to blame for rigging their process against Sanders to ensure Clinton got the nomination. She may have anyway but even that in-party corruption was another arrow for Trump to fire. The fact is, Clinton and her rapist husband are thoroughly detestable people and made it easy for people not to care about Trumps lewd talk in Hollywood. Not sure how much of the Clinton story people there really know but there is so much evidence that is not disputed of their body count, their corruption, Bill's sexual crimes, Hillary's trashing and demeaning her husbands accusers, stealing Clinton foundation money. It just goes on and on. And I don't mean web sites like Alex Jones's Infowars. There is some great work by individuals and groups such as Peter Schweizer, Judicial Watch, The Hill. Bottom line is the Clintons and their machine is the most disgusting entity in American politics. They have corrupted and politicized the DOJ and the FBI to the point that the country's faith in these organisations is at an all time low.

America had a choice between the corrupt Clintons and Trump. No-one should not be surprised that much of the country rejected Clinton.

And as far as accepting Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and relocating the US Embassy there I think people who spout nonsense that this not the right time or it is insensitive need to think before they speak. Unless you do not think the State of Israel should even exist then you must accept they can have their capital anywhere they wish. And if you accept that then what is the problem with any country acknowledging this and having their embassy there. When is it ever going to be a good time? Next year, the year after? Another 100 years down the peace process road? And Trump doing this proves again his courage compared to his 3 predecessors, Clinton, Bush and Obama who all claimed in the election campaigns they would do this but were all too scared and it was because they were all too scared. It certainly was not because they cared for the Palestinians at all.

This has been a great first year for the Trump presidency. Unless he is assassinated he is going to be the greatest president of all time.

I respect anybody who comes on here and takes up an unpopular position, so I'm not attacking you. But theres holes all over what you've said.

It terms of Israel and Jerusalem, you are right that in a normal situation any country should be able to declare a city as its capital. But sharing Jerusalem between different faiths was agreed as part of the 1992 peace accords to ensure the Armenians and the Christians and the Muslims shared the ownership of the city with the Jews. Its just another betrayal of treaty, which the Israelis have a history of doing. And what hes done serves no purpose but to destabilise the world.

Youre also basing your entire assessment of 'liberal democrats' on some conversations you've had with some in Texas. If they are 'struck dumb' by Trumps policy on Isis, or on the horrendous tax cuts policy, i would say you've just been speaking to some very inarticulate and stupid Democrats. All Trumps policies can be convincingly argued against, because they are either economic vandalism (a tax cut programme that is going to result in starving in the streets), smoke and mirrors (his Isis 'policy' which seems to involve talking tough on them one minute, then threatening to withdraw from the world the next. And continuing the drone strike programme that was the same as the Obama one that he was so critical of). What won him the blue collar vote, the so called 'populist' vote, was the jobs creation claim, his one 'good thing' which the Mexican wall was just part of. Public works, roads, infrastructure, engineering, stuff to get America working again. But now he's in office, nothing, nada. Because he doesn't want to, he never wanted to get involved in that because he hates the state. Public private partnership is anathema to him. He lied. And that's why the poster that irritated you so much earlier is absolutely right. The stupid (or if you prefer, the naïve) voted for him because they believed his domestic promises, and they shouldn't have.

In your anti Clinton diatribe ,you also dont mention that the popular vote went for Hilary, so the country is very much divided and there isn't a strong a consensus against the Clintons as you claim. You also dont mention the Obama legacy, why is that? You dont mention Trumps own, self confessed and proud sexual harassment, why is that? his bullying, rudeness, classlessness. Do you recognise he's a nasty piece of work but think it doesn't matter as long as hes a good leader, or do you just think hes a good guy misrepresented by a liberal media? And I'm not sure why bringing Bernie Sanders' narrow defeat into the debate makes your case any stronger. Sanders shocked everyone by showing there is still a strong left wing streak in blue collar America you'd never notice from just watching TV.

And i am genuinely fascinated by the total chutzpah that allows you to accuse the Democrats of spreading racism and dividing people, when its is Trump who uses this tactic widely and obviously, and in a way that is brand new for an American president, (even Andrew Jackson seemed to like and admire his slaves!), and for any world leader. Look outside America, at the reaction to him across the world. Most countries are horrified by him. how is that going to help America's economy?

Give us some links so we can see some of the sources behind what you think is happening in your country.

[Hibbyradge]

I respect anybody who comes on here and takes up an unpopular position, so I'm not attacking you. But theres holes all over what you've said.

It terms of Israel and Jerusalem, you are right that in a normal situation any country should be able to declare a city as its capital. But sharing Jerusalem between different faiths was agreed as part of the 1992 peace accords to ensure the Armenians and the Christians and the Muslims shared the ownership of the city with the Jews. Its just another betrayal of treaty, which the Israelis have a history of doing. And what hes done serves no purpose but to destabilise the world.

Youre also basing your entire assessment of 'liberal democrats' on some conversations you've had with some in Texas. If they are 'struck dumb' by Trumps policy on Isis, or on the horrendous tax cuts policy, i would say you've just been speaking to some very inarticulate and stupid Democrats. All Trumps policies can be convincingly argued against, because they are either economic vandalism (a tax cut programme that is going to result in starving in the streets), smoke and mirrors (his Isis 'policy' which seems to involve talking tough on them one minute, then threatening to withdraw from the world the next. And continuing the drone strike programme that was the same as the Obama one that he was so critical of). What won him the blue collar vote, the so called 'populist' vote, was the jobs creation claim, his one 'good thing' which the Mexican wall was just part of. Public works, roads, infrastructure, engineering, stuff to get America working again. But now he's in office, nothing, nada. Because he doesn't want to, he never wanted to get involved in that because he hates the state. Public private partnership is anathema to him. He lied. And that's why the poster that irritated you so much earlier is absolutely right. The stupid (or if you prefer, the naïve) voted for him because they believed his domestic promises, and they shouldn't have.

In your anti Clinton diatribe ,you also dont mention that the popular vote went for Hilary, so the country is very much divided and there isn't a strong a consensus against the Clintons as you claim. You also dont mention the Obama legacy, why is that? You dont mention Trumps own, self confessed and proud sexual harassment, why is that? his bullying, rudeness, classlessness. Do you recognise he's a nasty piece of work but think it doesn't matter as long as hes a good leader, or do you just think hes a good guy misrepresented by a liberal media? And I'm not sure why bringing Bernie Sanders' narrow defeat into the debate makes your case any stronger. Sanders shocked everyone by showing there is still a strong left wing streak in blue collar America you'd never notice from just watching TV.

And i am genuinely fascinated by the total chutzpah that allows you to accuse the Democrats of spreading racism and dividing people, when its is Trump who uses this tactic widely and obviously, and in a way that is brand new for an American president, (even Andrew Jackson seemed to like and admire his slaves!), and for any world leader. Look outside America, at the reaction to him across the world. Most countries are horrified by him. how is that going to help America's economy?

Give us some links so we can see some of the sources behind what you think is happening in your country.

Excellent reply.

[-Jonesy-]

What a lot of ignorant and arrogant nonsense, typical of the liberal democrats in this country and a great contributor to his being elected.

Regardless of what people think of his comments on the Billy Bush tape, he ran on issues, contrary to what his opponents claim. One might disagree with his proposal on border security/open borders but it was clear. One might disagree with repealing the unaffordable Health Care act but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on defeating Isis but it was clear. One might disagree with his proposal on the economy and crippling corporate tax rates but it was clear. One might disagree with his stance on energy independence but it was clear, People could identify or disagree with his platform but it was an issue based platform. When I talk about it with Democrats here in Dallas I ask them what they disagree with and not one has a clear rebuttal. When I ask what they think of his first year they are at a loss to condemn him because they wanted Isis defeated, they are liking the idea of tax cuts. And of course when I ask what the Democrats policy was during the election and is now on all these issues they can't even respond. They all stand dumb because the Democrats had no actual proposals. I don't see the Democrats as a party of ideas now, like they used to be. They just want to spread racism, divide people and they do their best to make sure that people are not united but stay in their groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion and anything else they can think of.

If any Democrat is still angry that Trump was elected they have only themselves to blame for rigging their process against Sanders to ensure Clinton got the nomination. She may have anyway but even that in-party corruption was another arrow for Trump to fire. The fact is, Clinton and her rapist husband are thoroughly detestable people and made it easy for people not to care about Trumps lewd talk in Hollywood. Not sure how much of the Clinton story people there really know but there is so much evidence that is not disputed of their body count, their corruption, Bill's sexual crimes, Hillary's trashing and demeaning her husbands accusers, stealing Clinton foundation money. It just goes on and on. And I don't mean web sites like Alex Jones's Infowars. There is some great work by individuals and groups such as Peter Schweizer, Judicial Watch, The Hill. Bottom line is the Clintons and their machine is the most disgusting entity in American politics. They have corrupted and politicized the DOJ and the FBI to the point that the country's faith in these organisations is at an all time low.

America had a choice between the corrupt Clintons and Trump. No-one should not be surprised that much of the country rejected Clinton.

And as far as accepting Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and relocating the US Embassy there I think people who spout nonsense that this not the right time or it is insensitive need to think before they speak. Unless you do not think the State of Israel should even exist then you must accept they can have their capital anywhere they wish. And if you accept that then what is the problem with any country acknowledging this and having their embassy there. When is it ever going to be a good time? Next year, the year after? Another 100 years down the peace process road? And Trump doing this proves again his courage compared to his 3 predecessors, Clinton, Bush and Obama who all claimed in the election campaigns they would do this but were all too scared and it was because they were all too scared. It certainly was not because they cared for the Palestinians at all.

This has been a great first year for the Trump presidency. Unless he is assassinated he is going to be the greatest president of all time.

Nazi Punks **** Off

[Slavers]

Nazi Punks **** Off

Is there any need?

[-Jonesy-]

Is there any need?

Above the delusion and misogyny Trump is and always has been a massive racist, claiming he is the greatest president ever makes you, at the very least, an apologist for such behaviour.

[Slavers]

Above the delusion and misogyny Trump is and always has been a massive racist, claiming he is the greatest president ever makes you, at the very least, an apologist for such behaviour.

Let it be clear I'm no fan of Trump I suspect he is a freemason and more than likely a Satanist.

But Racist? I have not seen any evidence of him being Racist. Can you prove he is a Racist?

[Hibbyradge]

Let it be clear I'm no fan of Trump I suspect he is a freemason and more than likely a Satanist.

But Racist? I have not seen any evidence of him being Racist. Can you prove he is a Racist?

Don't you think that retweeting racist, and fake, Britain First videos suggests he has racist views?

Does his failure to condemn the KKK not give you a hint?

Here's a few more clues;

Consider the first time the president’s name appeared on the front page of the New York Times, more than 40 years ago. “Major Landlord Accused of Antiblack Bias in City,” read the headline of the A1 piece on Oct. 16, 1973, which pointed out how Richard Nixon’s Department of Justice had sued the Trump family’s real estate company in federal court over alleged violations of the Fair Housing Act.

“The government contended that Trump Management had refused to rent or negotiate rentals ‘because of race and color,’” the Times revealed. “It also charged that the company had required different rental terms and conditions because of race and that it had misrepresented to blacks that apartments were not available.” (Trump later settled with the government without accepting responsibility.)

Over the next four decades, Trump burnished his reputation as a bigot: he was accused of ordering “all the black [employees] off the floor” of his Atlantic City casinos during his visits; claimed “laziness is a trait in blacks” and “not anything they can control”; requested Jews “in yarmulkes” replace his black accountants;

told Bryan Gumbel that “a well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market”; demanded the death penalty for a group of black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a jogger in Central Park (and, despite their later exoneration with the use of DNA evidence, has continued to insist they are guilty);

suggested a Native American tribe “don’t look like Indians to me”; mocked Chinese and Japanese trade negotiators by doing an impression of them in broken English; described undocumented Mexican immigrants as “rapists”; compared Syrian refugees to “snakes”; defended two supporters who assaulted a homeless Latino man as “very passionate” people “who love this country”;

pledged to ban a quarter of humanity from entering the United States; proposed a database to track American Muslims that he himself refused to distinguish from the Nazi registration of German Jews; implied Jewish donors “want to control” politicians and are all sly negotiators;

heaped praise on the “amazing reputation” of conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, who has blamed America’s problems on a “Jewish mafia”; referred to a black supporter at a campaign rally as “my African-American”; suggested the grieving Muslim mother of a slain U.S. army officer “maybe … wasn’t allowed” to speak in public about her son;

accused an American-born Hispanic judge of being “a Mexican”; retweeted anti-Semitic and anti-black memes, white supremacists, and even a quote from Benito Mussolini;

kept a book of Hitler’s collected speeches next to his bed; declined to condemn both David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan; and spent five years leading a “birther” movement that was bent on smearing and delegitimizing the first black president of the United States, who Trump also accused of being the founder of ISIS.

Oh and remember: we knew all of this before he was elected president of the United States of America.

[-Jonesy-]

Let it be clear I'm no fan of Trump I suspect he is a freemason and more than likely a Satanist.

But Racist? I have not seen any evidence of him being Racist. Can you prove he is a Racist?

Are you kidding?

Everything hibbyradge has covered and more, sorry for my lack of hyperlink ability on my phone.

https://www.salon.com/2017/09/17/stop-acting-surprised-america-donald-trump-is-a-white-supremacist/

http://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

Or just have a google yourself and open your eyes and ears. Laughable to claim there's no evidence

[SanFranHibs]

Are you kidding?

Everything hibbyradge has covered and more

https://www.salon.com/2017/09/17/stop-acting-surprised-america-donald-trump-is-a-white-supremacist/

Laughable to claim there's no evidence

More laughable to quote salon.com as a credible source.

Trump got more black and Latino votes than Romney did in the 2012 Presidential election. I suppose every black, every Latino that voted for him are racist and that every woman that voted for him is a misogynist. Or as is arrogantly claimed they must just all be dumb.

It is the Democrats that are obsessed with race and gender.

Most people are interested in jobs, wage increases, security, safer communities, better schools and truly affordable health care/coverage. Hopes and aspirations far removed from the modern Democrat party.

[Hibrandenburg]

More laughable to quote salon.com as a credible source.

Trump got more black and Latino votes than Romney did in the 2012 Presidential election. I suppose every black, every Latino that voted for him are racist and that every woman that voted for him is a misogynist. Or as is arrogantly claimed they must just all be dumb.

It is the Democrats that are obsessed with race and gender.

Most people are interested in jobs, wage increases, security, safer communities, better schools and truly affordable health care/coverage. Hopes and aspirations far removed from the modern Democrat party.

The German Association of National Jews came out in support of Hitler, does that mean that Hitler wasn't a Nazi too?

[-Jonesy-]

More laughable to quote salon.com as a credible source.

Trump got more black and Latino votes than Romney did in the 2012 Presidential election. I suppose every black, every Latino that voted for him are racist and that every woman that voted for him is a misogynist. Or as is arrogantly claimed they must just all be dumb.

It is the Democrats that are obsessed with race and gender.

Most people are interested in jobs, wage increases, security, safer communities, better schools and truly affordable health care/coverage. Hopes and aspirations far removed from the modern Democrat party.

A masterwork of deflectionism, very good. Still don't hear a denial of his inherent racism?

[Smartie]

More laughable to quote salon.com as a credible source.

Trump got more black and Latino votes than Romney did in the 2012 Presidential election. I suppose every black, every Latino that voted for him are racist and that every woman that voted for him is a misogynist. Or as is arrogantly claimed they must just all be dumb.

It is the Democrats that are obsessed with race and gender.

Most people are interested in jobs, wage increases, security, safer communities, better schools and truly affordable health care/coverage. Hopes and aspirations far removed from the modern Democrat party.

What I "arrogantly claimed" was that Trump is stupid, he's surrounded by stupid people and voted for by desperate people.

I suppose it was a pretty daft thing to say, because many millions of people vote in American elections and will all have had their own personal reasons for doing so in the way that they did.

I believe Trump is a cretin. I believe that he has surrounded himself with like-minded fools. I don't believe that everyone who voted for him are stupid, but I believe that many were desperate and that everyone had a pretty awful choice of 2 people.

You made a fair point about the Clintons. In many ways I'd have quite liked to have moved to America, there is a lot about the country that I admire. But to have to choose between Clinton and Trump was a truly sorry state of affairs, and it was wrong of me to be so dismissive of someone who may choose to vote for opposition to the Clintons.


I am not a fan of the Clintons, but I cannot put into words how much I abhor Trump, and all that he stands for. There is a standard of behaviour that you would expect a president of the USA to live up to, and he falls so far below that standard for it to be laughable.

There is a set of values that you would wish OUR country's closest ally to hold - Trump's America stands for everything that I dislike, and I will not apologise for holding that view. I don't want America to be building walls, I don't want them to get into pointless willy-waving exercised with North Korea, I don't want them to be at their belligerent worst causing havoc in the Middle East. I don't want divisive rhetoric, I don't want racist language from the most powerful man on the planet. That's what we're getting.

Sadly, a lot of people have been left behind in America, and that pre-dates Trump. We have seen the same in this country. These are the people who I referred to as "desperate" and will include the blacks and Latinos to whom you refer. When desperate (and faced with a choice of this or the fairly unpalatable Clintons) bollocks about building walls, making America great again, denying climate change and making empty promises of jobs based in dead industries, displaying mock courage that may make you look strong with little change of direct impact on your own shores but potentially catastrophic consequences on other people's lives far, far away - it is possible to understand why Trump was successful.

He will not be the greatest president ever, and there is a reasonably good chance he will be assassinated. It will be interesting to see what the disaffected of America will do next, when their lives are not improved by electing an imbecile who has already started giving tax cuts to his rich buddies, presumable at a cost the already angry poor.


As an aside, it is interesting to hear the opinions of those within the USA. My youngest brother has a degree in History and Politics, and we often discuss politics (he knows his stuff, I don't have a clue). It is funny how the opinion of a particular president can be so different in the USA as opposed to overseas. Obama was a hugely popular president overseas, he carried himself properly and used appropriate language. He put in place admirable policies on the World Stage and had a very impressive, progressive outlook. I'm led to believe he has pretty unpopular in the USA, being part of the reason we ended up with Trump (and tbh the ridiculous situation where the choices were the Clintons or the Trumps.)

[SanFranHibs]

The German Association of National Jews came out in support of Hitler, does that mean that Hitler wasn't a Nazi too?

Why is it that people always resort to Hitler and Nazis trying to prove a point? Comparing Trump to Hitler is frankly insulting to the many people who died and to any survivors of the horrors of those dark days.

Stick to what Trump is doing as a president. Of course, maybe I have missed the call for gas chambers and extermination. Maybe it got lost in what many people, including reluctant Democrats, consider a successful first year of his presidency.

But if you get stuck for other comparisons don't forget Stalin.

[Hibrandenburg]

Why is it that people always resort to Hitler and Nazis trying to prove a point? Comparing Trump to Hitler is frankly insulting to the many people who died and to any survivors of the horrors of those dark days.

Stick to what Trump is doing as a president. Of course, maybe I have missed the call for gas chambers and extermination. Maybe it got lost in what many people, including reluctant Democrats, consider a successful first year of his presidency.

But if you get stuck for other comparisons don't forget Stalin.

I was comparing your assumption that because other races voted for Trump then he couldn't be racist and showing it for the ridiculous attempt at deflection that it was. Again by trying to then invoke Godwin's Law you've again deflected from the issue without answering the question.

[-Jonesy-]

Why is it that people always resort to Hitler and Nazis trying to prove a point? Comparing Trump to Hitler is frankly insulting to the many people who died and to any survivors of the horrors of those dark days.

Stick to what Trump is doing as a president. Of course, maybe I have missed the call for gas chambers and extermination. Maybe it got lost in what many people, including reluctant Democrats, consider a successful first year of his presidency.

But if you get stuck for other comparisons don't forget Stalin.

Masterwork of deflection volume 2...Weak as dug***** to say "focus on what he is doing as a president" and then base your whole argument on Hillary and the democrats and what could've been with them.

He's doing nothing as a president, he is a disgusting, abhorrent exscuse of a human being and is turning the US and it's political system into a laughing stock for the rest of the world.

What a ****ing disgrace, best president ever, gtf!!

[Moulin Yarns]

The test panels of the border walls have just been on sky news. If there is any doubt whether Trump is racist or not then this is the proof. Stop Mexicans. Stop Muslims. Agree with Britain First.

[IGRIGI]

Stock market booming to new highs each week, record job creation, thousands of manufacturing jobs created, companies bringing jobs back to the US, no bad in my book.

[hibsbollah]

Stock market booming to new highs each week, record job creation, thousands of manufacturing jobs created, companies bringing jobs back to the US, no bad in my book.

First fact is true, and hardly surprising, since the tax cuts are going to benefit the top 1% in a big way. The job creation stuff looks like bollox.... Source?

[hibsbollah]

Why is it that people always resort to Hitler and Nazis trying to prove a point? Comparing Trump to Hitler is frankly insulting to the many people who died and to any survivors of the horrors of those dark days.

Stick to what Trump is doing as a president. Of course, maybe I have missed the call for gas chambers and extermination. Maybe it got lost in what many people, including reluctant Democrats, consider a successful first year of his presidency.

But if you get stuck for other comparisons don't forget Stalin.

None of this is showing us why you think he's doing well as a president :dunno:

[SanFranHibs]

Masterwork of deflection volume 2...Weak as dug***** to say "focus on what he is doing as a president" and then base your whole argument on Hillary and the democrats and what could've been with them.

He's doing nothing as a president, he is a disgusting, abhorrent exscuse of a human being and is turning the US and it's political system into a laughing stock for the rest of the world.

What a ****ing disgrace, best president ever, gtf!!

The rest of your post is embarrassing to say the least but doing nothing as president? Not sure where you get your information.

Record highs on all market boards (thus helping the workers 401k pensions tremendously), record low unemployment including lowest for African Americans in nearly 20 years, lowest for Latinos/Hispanic ever. Dealt ISIS a blow, certainly territorially. Got through a major tax reform already resulting in major corporations giving $1,000 bonuses to hundreds of thousands of non-executive workers, some companies now raising their minimum wage by 25%, and promising major investment in factories and more jobs, hopefully with better wages. Rolling back of restrictive regulations. Got his first Supreme Court judge nominated. Shaking up the Veterans Association to make it easier for Vets to get help.

Next year, expect a major Infrastructure program which should have some support from across the aisle.

And as I said in an earlier post when I did layout the difference between his election campaign and that of the Democrats, they were clear positions on Issues which could be agreed with or disagreed with but nonetheless were clear and substantive issues and the issues that are most important to much of the country.

[-Jonesy-]

The rest of your post is embarrassing to say the least but doing nothing as president? Not sure where you get your information.

Record highs on all market boards (thus helping the workers 401k pensions tremendously), record low unemployment including lowest for African Americans in nearly 20 years, lowest for Latinos/Hispanic ever. Dealt ISIS a blow, certainly territorially. Got through a major tax reform already resulting in major corporations giving $1,000 bonuses to hundreds of thousands of non-executive workers, some companies now raising their minimum wage by 25%, and promising major investment in factories and more jobs, hopefully with better wages. Rolling back of restrictive regulations. Got his first Supreme Court judge nominated. Shaking up the Veterans Association to make it easier for Vets to get help.

Next year, expect a major Infrastructure program which should have some support from across the aisle.

And as I said in an earlier post when I did layout the difference between his election campaign and that of the Democrats, they were clear positions on Issues which could be agreed with or disagreed with but nonetheless were clear and substantive issues and the issues that are most important to much of the country.

But he's still a racist though right? A sexually harassing, thin skinned, climate change denying, child minded bigoted racist.

[Hibbyradge]

More laughable to quote salon.com as a credible source.

Trump got more black and Latino votes than Romney did in the 2012 Presidential election. I suppose every black, every Latino that voted for him are racist and that every woman that voted for him is a misogynist. Or as is arrogantly claimed they must just all be dumb.

It is the Democrats that are obsessed with race and gender.

Most people are interested in jobs, wage increases, security, safer communities, better schools and truly affordable health care/coverage. Hopes and aspirations far removed from the modern Democrat party.

The people who voted for Trump decided that his being a racist didn't matter that much.

But he is a racist.

[-Jonesy-]

None of this will matter when he's outed as a Russian puppet and dragged out of office kicking and screaming like the child he is

[Slavers]

None of this will matter when he's outed as a Russian puppet and dragged out of office kicking and screaming like the child he is

When is this going to happen?

[Slavers]

The people who voted for Trump decided that his being a racist didn't matter that much.

But he is a racist.

In your opinion of course. Granted alot of people who hate trump think the same as you but your list of 'evidence' amounts to little more than just gossip.

[-Jonesy-]

When is this going to happen?

Ask Bob Mueller.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Trump is the greatest (https://youtu.be/qPqMJX4z0Gk) pres ever?

[Slavers]

Ask Bob Mueller.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Trump is the greatest (https://youtu.be/qPqMJX4z0Gk) pres ever?

Well I'll call it now it's not going to happen.

[-Jonesy-]

Well I'll call it now it's not going to happen.

Well you fail to see Trump is a huge racist so I'll not put my life savings on it yet

[Hibbyradge]

In your opinion of course. Granted alot of people who hate trump think the same as you but your list of 'evidence' amounts to little more than just gossip.

Why is there no "gossip" like that about, say, Barrack Obama?

[Hibbyradge]

Trump and the press: 10 questions journalists never thought they'd have to ask

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/27/trump-president-journalists-questions-2017?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

[hibsbollah]

Missing from the discussion about Trumps legacy is possibly his most serious,his opposition to climate science and his links to the coal and fossil fuel industries. The domestic and international environmental legislation he's torn up this year can be reversed when he's eventually out of office but the effects will be felt for years to come.

Tweet this morning... 'In the East it could be the Coldest new years eve on record. Perhaps we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that our Country, but not other countries, was going to pay TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to protect against. Bundle up!

He's like the old bore at the end of the bar.

[Future17]

Missing from the discussion about Trumps legacy is possibly his most serious,his opposition to climate science and his links to the coal and fossil fuel industries. The domestic and international environmental legislation he's torn up this year can be reversed when he's eventually out of office but the effects will be felt for years to come.

Tweet this morning... 'In the East it could be the Coldest new years eve on record. Perhaps we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that our Country, but not other countries, was going to pay TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to protect against. Bundle up!

He's like the old bore at the end of the bar.

He's not just ignorant; he's wilfully ignorant.

[matty_f]

Missing from the discussion about Trumps legacy is possibly his most serious,his opposition to climate science and his links to the coal and fossil fuel industries. The domestic and international environmental legislation he's torn up this year can be reversed when he's eventually out of office but the effects will be felt for years to come.

Tweet this morning... 'In the East it could be the Coldest new years eve on record. Perhaps we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that our Country, but not other countries, was going to pay TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to protect against. Bundle up!

He's like the old bore at the end of the bar.
I can't remember where the quote came from, but it was along the lines of "There are now no climate change deniers, only people who don't understand it".

Trump's that much of a raging ****wit that he definitely falls into that category.

I have no time for Trump, in fact I find it very challenging to not utter the words "he's a ****ing ****hole" whenever I see him or one of his tweets.

[matty_f]

He's not just ignorant; he's wilfully ignorant.

He's a ****ing ****hole.

[Hibbyradge]

Missing from the discussion about Trumps legacy is possibly his most serious,his opposition to climate science and his links to the coal and fossil fuel industries. The domestic and international environmental legislation he's torn up this year can be reversed when he's eventually out of office but the effects will be felt for years to come.

Tweet this morning... 'In the East it could be the Coldest new years eve on record. Perhaps we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that our Country, but not other countries, was going to pay TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to protect against. Bundle up!

He's like the old bore at the end of the bar.

The bore at the bar is usually harmless ...

[-Jonesy-]

Best president ever

[hibsbollah]

I can't remember where the quote came from, but it was along the lines of "There are now no climate change deniers, only people who don't understand it".

Trump's that much of a raging ****wit that he definitely falls into that category.

I have no time for Trump, in fact I find it very challenging to not utter the words "he's a ****ing ****hole" whenever I see him or one of his tweets.

It's dead cold just now. - 25C in Chicago. So global warming can't be a thing. :aok:

[Slavers]

It's dead cold just now. - 25C in Chicago. So global warming can't be a thing. :aok:

You and Trump sing from the same page that's surprising.

[Sylar]

You and Trump sing from the same page that's surprising.

C'mon, that's the most blatant example of sarcasm I've read on this forum in ages!

[hibsbollah]

C'mon, that's the most blatant example of sarcasm I've read on this forum in ages!

He knows that. It's just :stirrer:
I enjoyed your post, by the way. You're too quick to delete :greengrin

[Pete]

Trumps first tweet of the year. Maybe we’re seeing a softer, more diplomatic side to the man.


“The United States has foolishly given Pakistan more than 33 billion dollars in aid over the last 15 years, and they have given us nothing but lies & deceit, thinking of our leaders as fools. They give safe haven to the terrorists we hunt in Afghanistan, with little help. No more!”

[Pretty Boy]

Trumps first tweet of the year. Maybe we’re seeing a softer, more diplomatic side to the man.


“The United States has foolishly given Pakistan more than 33 billion dollars in aid over the last 15 years, and they have given us nothing but lies & deceit, thinking of our leaders as fools. They give safe haven to the terrorists we hunt in Afghanistan, with little help. No more!”

Good to see him solidly sticking to his campaign promise to focus more on domestic politics and less on the international stage......

[-Jonesy-]

"North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un just stated that the “Nuclear Button is on his desk at all times.” Will someone from his depleted and food starved regime please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!"

Any Trump supports care to defend this asinine tweet from the pres?

Where's LH Oswald when you need him

[Slavers]

"North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un just stated that the “Nuclear Button is on his desk at all times.” Will someone from his depleted and food starved regime please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!"

Any Trump supports care to defend this asinine tweet from the pres?

Where's LH Oswald when you need him

I'm not a supporter of Trump but his style is all about results and not based on saying things in a nice way so it doesn't offend anyone (Obama style nice with words but achieves nothing).

You did note that NK have now offered an olive branch to SK? Is this down to Trumps pressure on NK? Could be argued so.

[-Jonesy-]

I'm not a supporter of Trump but his style is all about results and not based on saying things in a nice way so it doesn't offend anyone (Obama style nice with words but achieves nothing).

You did note that NK have now offered an olive branch to SK? Is this down to Trumps pressure on NK? Could be argued so.

They want to send some athletes to the Winter Olympics
Please, indulge me as to how in the hell thats true

[Slavers]

They want to send some athletes to the Winter Olympics
Please, indulge me as to how in the hell thats true

It's more than sending athletes to the Olympic Games, they have opened up a hot line of communication for the first time in two years, which makes it possible for further diplomacy between the two countries which can only be a good thing.

[Slavers]

Why is there no "gossip" like that about, say, Barrack Obama?

Most probably because all the biased left wing media support Obama and not Trump.

[makaveli1875]

They want to send some athletes to the Winter Olympics
Please, indulge me as to how in the hell thats true

Come on now mate , you seriously think competing in the Winter Olympics is top of Kim Jongs to do list for the year . Either he's feeling the pressure or he's trying to buy a bit more time to advance his nuclear and biological weapons program .

[hibsbollah]

I'm not a supporter of Trump

:hmmm:

[-Jonesy-]

Most probably because all the biased left wing media support Obama and not Trump.

Suppose you would call it "FAKE NEWS"

[Slavers]

Suppose you would call it "FAKE NEWS"

If you can't see the media bias then there is no helping you.

[Slavers]

:hmmm:

Why stroke your chin is it because you can only view everything through far left tinted glasses.

I don't support Trump. I think he is a Freemason working the agenda like Obama before him and Bush before him.

[21.05.2016]

"North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un just stated that the “Nuclear Button is on his desk at all times.” Will someone from his depleted and food starved regime please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!"

Any Trump supports care to defend this asinine tweet from the pres?

Where's LH Oswald when you need him

"My dads bigger than your dad!"


Pathetic, childish stuff from someone in such a powerful role. When I read these kinds of tweets I genuinely have to go and check that its not some piss-take parody account. Any American with a brain cell must simply cringe at this buffoon, he's making America an utter global laughing stock.

This circus is becoming more worrying by the day.

[hibsbollah]

Why stroke your chin is it because you can only view everything through far left tinted glasses.

I don't support Trump. I think he is a Freemason working the agenda like Obama before him and Bush before him.

:faf: that's the worst put down I've ever heard. It doesn't even make sense. Suppose it were true, and I wore far left tinted glasses (which isn't even a thing to my knowledge), how would this encourage me to stroke my chin?

Back to planet reality, the interesting thing about the Trump descent into infantile madness is that it isn't affecting the polling. Broadly the same proportion of Americans approve of him as did when he won the election. A minority, but a significant and committed one. It looks like Trump could climb up Mount Rushmore and take a pish down Lincolns coupon and the Party would shrug and blame the Liberal media. The new law of politics is to entrench your popular base and forget courting the middle ground, which is the exact opposite of what we've been told 'works' in politics for my entire lifetime. The postwar consensus is over and nobody knows what's going on anymore.

[danhibees1875]

I would just like to thank the posters for making me realise this guy was stroking his chin. I always thought his index finger was his right arm going up and down and he was up to something much more sinister (hidden by his other hand).

:hmmm:

It's stopped me using it as I couldn't work out how it would ever be appropriate (Griffiths rumours aside) - good start to 2018 with a new emoticon in my repertoire.

[Hibrandenburg]

Most probably because all the biased left wing media support Obama and not Trump.

That's pretty much like saying Florence Nightingale got favourable press coverage compared to Myra Hindley.

[Slavers]

That's pretty much like saying Florence Nightingale got favourable press coverage compared to Myra Hindley.

Not quiet Obama was the presentable face of evil.

A more fitting way to describe it would be saying Rose West got more favourable press coverage than Myra Hindley.

[hibsbollah]

That's pretty much like saying Florence Nightingale got favourable press coverage compared to Myra Hindley.

:hmmm:

[hibsbollah]

Obama was the presentable face of evil.



What does this mean?

[-Jonesy-]

I would just like to thank the posters for making me realise this guy was stroking his chin. I always thought his index finger was his right arm going up and down and he was up to something much more sinister (hidden by his other hand).

:hmmm:

It's stopped me using it as I couldn't work out how it would ever be appropriate (Griffiths rumours aside) - good start to 2018 with a new emoticon in my repertoire.

Ok I never saw that before and now can't unsee it!!

[Slavers]

What does this mean?

It means Obama and Trump serve the same evil agenda but Obama was the friendly face where as trump is in your face!

[danhibees1875]

Ok I never saw that before and now can't unsee it!!

Welcome to my world! Hopefully I start seeing the chin scratching now. :greengrin

[-Jonesy-]

It means Obama and Trump serve the same evil agenda but Obama was the friendly face where as trump is in your face!

And you say I need help...

[Slavers]

And you say I need help...

Well you can't see what is in front of you. I'd say both Trump and Obama are puppets for the hidden hand behind the power. Their actions are the same in regards to foreign policy (Obama sets up the Nuclear deal with Iran which is designed to fail). The end game is total control of the worlds finances, resources and people. Both Obama and Trump have served the agenda well. Russia, North Korea & Iran are the only ones without a Rothschilds central bank.

Now guess who are the boogey men in the media - Russia, North Korea & Iran.

I think the **** will hit the fan and Trump will be used as the hated scapegoat but i doubt he has any real powers whilst the real powers that be are kept hidden from the public.

[hibsbollah]

Well you can't see what is in front of you. I'd say both Trump and Obama are puppets for the hidden hand behind the power. Their actions are the same in regards to foreign policy (Obama sets up the Nuclear deal with Iran which is designed to fail). The end game is total control of the worlds finances, resources and people. Both Obama and Trump have served the agenda well. Russia, North Korea & Iran are the only ones without a Rothschilds central bank.

Now guess who are the boogey men in the media - Russia, North Korea & Iran.

I think the **** will hit the fan and Trump will be used as the hated scapegoat but i doubt he has any real powers whilst the real powers that be are kept hidden from the public.

:hmmm:
The thing that Dan sees or just regular chin scratching? You decide.

[Hibrandenburg]

:hmmm:

Surprised that gets you so excited. :wink:

[Hibrandenburg]

I would just like to thank the posters for making me realise this guy was stroking his chin. I always thought his index finger was his right arm going up and down and he was up to something much more sinister (hidden by his other hand).

:hmmm:

It's stopped me using it as I couldn't work out how it would ever be appropriate (Griffiths rumours aside) - good start to 2018 with a new emoticon in my repertoire.


Never, ever combine these 2 smilies :yawn2: :hmmm:

[Slavers]

:hmmm:
The thing that Dan sees or just regular chin scratching? You decide.

Well of course you'd say that your whole political outlook is based on ideology and blinded to reality by left wing ideals.

The decisions on earth are not voted for by me or you they are decided for us. By playing this political game and choosing sides gives you a feeling of power and thst you can change it for the better.

Imo it's simply not true it's all about control and this democrat or republican right wing or left wing is for the fools to occupy themselves with and give an illusion of democracy.

[hibsbollah]

Never, ever combine these 2 smilies :yawn2: :hmmm:

:faf:

[Future17]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42560520

[-Jonesy-]

https://twitter.com/kfc_uki/status/948525809840656385
😂

HomeTeam FWIW I almost get where you are coming from, I have a healthy distrust of authority, government and the power structures that control us. I'm probably even in the 9/11 truth camp but maybe not so far as to say it was a total inside job. I do draw the line at the whole illuminati/new world order thing though, it's one step above spherical earth denial IMO.

Now don't tell me....

[Ozymandias]

Well of course you'd say that your whole political outlook is based on ideology and blinded to reality by left wing ideals.

The decisions on earth are not voted for by me or you they are decided for us. By playing this political game and choosing sides gives you a feeling of power and thst you can change it for the better.

Imo it's simply not true it's all about control and this democrat or republican right wing or left wing is for the fools to occupy themselves with and give an illusion of democracy.

Except its clearly not. Are you saying the Rothschilds (or some other Jewish cabal) is secretly manipulating the world for their own nefarious ends? The slightest bit of travel or exposure to other political systems or cultures show this is just not the case.

Skepticism is good. However, starting from a point of massive, undercover global conspiracy as your default isn't skepticism, it's wilful ignorance.

[McD]

Well of course you'd say that your whole political outlook is based on ideology and blinded to reality by left wing ideals.

The decisions on earth are not voted for by me or you they are decided for us. By playing this political game and choosing sides gives you a feeling of power and thst you can change it for the better.

Imo it's simply not true it's all about control and this democrat or republican right wing or left wing is for the fools to occupy themselves with and give an illusion of democracy.


Do you also have a tinfoil hat in case the hidden powers are reading your mind?

[McD]

Except its clearly not. Are you saying the Rothschilds (or some other Jewish cabal) is secretly manipulating the world for their own nefarious ends? The slightest bit of travel or exposure to other political systems or cultures show this is just not the case.

Skepticism is good. However, starting from a point of massive, undercover global conspiracy as your default isn't skepticism, it's wilful ignorance.



Exactly

[-Jonesy-]

This is an excerpt from Steve Bannon's Book about Trumps White House regarding Ivanka and Trump's "hair"


"She treated her father with a degree of detachment, even irony, going so far as to make fun of his comb-over to others. She often described the mechanics behind it to friends: an absolutely clean pate - a contained island after scalp-reduction -surgery - surrounded by a furry circle of hair around the sides and front, from which all ends are drawn up to meet in the center and then swept back and secured by a stiffening spray. The color, she would point out to comical effect, was from a product called Just for Men - the longer it was left on, the darker it got. Impatience resulted in Trump's orange-blond hair color."

[Mr White]

This is an excerpt from Steve Bannon's Book about Trumps White House regarding Ivanka and Trump's "hair"


"She treated her father with a degree of detachment, even irony, going so far as to make fun of his comb-over to others. She often described the mechanics behind it to friends: an absolutely clean pate - a contained island after scalp-reduction -surgery - surrounded by a furry circle of hair around the sides and front, from which all ends are drawn up to meet in the center and then swept back and secured by a stiffening spray. The color, she would point out to comical effect, was from a product called Just for Men - the longer it was left on, the darker it got. Impatience resulted in Trump's orange-blond hair color."

I see it hasn't been received very well

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/04/donald-trump-legal-threat-steve-bannon-book-revelations

Trump's lawyer is called Chuck Harder :tee hee:

[Hibbyradge]

Steve Bannon must be part of the biased left wing media.

Who knew?

[Pretty Boy]

Steve Bannon must be part of the biased left wing media.

Who knew?

But is he a freemason in cahoots with the New World Order and the reptile royals?

[Moulin Yarns]

This is an excerpt from Steve Bannon's Book about Trumps White House regarding Ivanka and Trump's "hair"


"She treated her father with a degree of detachment, even irony, going so far as to make fun of his comb-over to others. She often described the mechanics behind it to friends: an absolutely clean pate - a contained island after scalp-reduction -surgery - surrounded by a furry circle of hair around the sides and front, from which all ends are drawn up to meet in the center and then swept back and secured by a stiffening spray. The color, she would point out to comical effect, was from a product called Just for Men - the longer it was left on, the darker it got. Impatience resulted in Trump's orange-blond hair color."

That will be her sacked.

by tweet, "You are no longer my daughter"

[Colr]

That will be her sacked.

by tweet, "You are no longer my daughter"

#sad

[Hibrandenburg]

This is an excerpt from Steve Bannon's Book about Trumps White House regarding Ivanka and Trump's "hair"


"She treated her father with a degree of detachment, even irony, going so far as to make fun of his comb-over to others. She often described the mechanics behind it to friends: an absolutely clean pate - a contained island after scalp-reduction -surgery - surrounded by a furry circle of hair around the sides and front, from which all ends are drawn up to meet in the center and then swept back and secured by a stiffening spray. The color, she would point out to comical effect, was from a product called Just for Men - the longer it was left on, the darker it got. Impatience resulted in Trump's orange-blond hair color."


There's some absolutely worrying but hilarious stuff in that book.

[Hibs Class]

I'm not sure what kind of person feels the need to claim to be a very stable genius, but I'm pretty sure it's not a very stable genius

[RyeSloan]

I'm not sure what kind of person feels the need to claim to be a very stable genius, but I'm pretty sure it's not a very stable genius

I'm curious as to the difference between something that is stable and something that is very stable.

Is it the same as something that is very level compared to something that is just level?

[-Jonesy-]

Trump responds to accusation of being a child by calling the author a "total loser"

What an absolute ride😂

[Pretty Boy]

If Trump had any sense he would be pointing out that uneployment remains low in the US and the economy is outperforming all predictions when he was elected. By not doing so and getting involved in petty squabbles on Twitter he is proving himself to be, like, not very smart.

[Colr]

If Trump had any sense he would be pointing out that uneployment remains low in the US and the economy is outperforming all predictions when he was elected. By not doing so and getting involved in petty squabbles on Twitter he is proving himself to be, like, not very smart.

He maybe doesn’t understand the stats. #sad

[21.05.2016]

This circus has gone on long enough. Look at his tweets and it really is utterly astonishing that this man is seriously the President of the United States. It's like a petulant little child playing make believe in the playground. His little tantrums are cringeworthy.

The guy is an utter embarrassment. Making a complete and utter laughing stock of his country.

[21.05.2016]

"..... Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart."

A wee clip of his latest tweet. "Being, like, really smart" :faf: He sounds like some thick, bimbo teenage girl.

[lord bunberry]

"..... Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart."

A wee clip of his latest tweet. "Being, like, really smart" :faf: He sounds like some thick, bimbo teenage girl.
While I’m all for poking fun at him, there can be no doubt that he’s a smart guy. You don’t get to be in his position by being an idiot. What he is, is a dangerous racist megalomaniac with the power to set the world back 50 years.

[RyeSloan]

While I’m all for poking fun at him, there can be no doubt that he’s a smart guy. You don’t get to be in his position by being an idiot. What he is, is a dangerous racist megalomaniac with the power to set the world back 50 years.

Partially not true (the smart bit)...there are many ways people get into power. Just holding office doesn't make you smart nor discounts you from being an idiot.

The smart one was Fred.

[danhibees1875]

Partially not true (the smart bit)...there are many ways people get into power. Just holding office doesn't make you smart nor discounts you from being an idiot.

The smart one was Fred.

A successful businessman who is a billionaire - he's probably reasonably smart to be fair to him. His mouth and fingers (tweeting) just don't always show it.

[Hibrandenburg]

A successful businessman who is a billionaire - he's probably reasonably smart to be fair to him. His mouth and fingers (tweeting) just don't always show it.

Not sure he's smart, he's certainly had a fantastic education and there's a large question mark over the subject of how good a business man he is. Apparently if he'd just put the money he inherited in a decent bank account he'd be just as well off today if not richer than he is now.

[danhibees1875]

Not sure he's smart, he's certainly had a fantastic education and there's a large question mark over the subject of how good a business man he is. Apparently if he'd just put the money he inherited in a decent bank account he'd be just as well off today if not richer than he is now.

I've read that a couple of times. But I thought he was given $1m as a starter for his businesses - he's now worth $3.5bn. So I don't think it's true. Or I need to stop banking with HBOS and their 0.5% interest.

[Hibrandenburg]

I've read that a couple of times. But I thought he was given $1m as a starter for his businesses - he's now worth $3.5bn. So I don't think it's true. Or I need to stop banking with HBOS and their 0.5% interest.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/why-donald-trump-isn-t-the-successful-businessman-he-claims-to-be-us-elections-republican-politics-7173666.html

[21.05.2016]

While I’m all for poking fun at him, there can be no doubt that he’s a smart guy. You don’t get to be in his position by being an idiot. What he is, is a dangerous racist megalomaniac with the power to set the world back 50 years.

My point was the teenage like tweet, not something you'd expect from a grown man let alone the president.

[danhibees1875]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/why-donald-trump-isn-t-the-successful-businessman-he-claims-to-be-us-elections-republican-politics-7173666.html

That was entertaining reading :greengrin

Maybe he is an idiot!

[Hibs Class]

A successful businessman who is a billionaire - he's probably reasonably smart to be fair to him. His mouth and fingers (tweeting) just don't always show it.

Trump believes intelligence is proved by educational qualifications and IQ. That's why he regularly claims he's, like, really smart with an amazing IQ, higher than Obama, Bush, Tillerson, etc. although his actual IQ has never been published as far as I know. What completely fails to register with him is emotional intelligence - what it is and why it matters. In respect of emotional intelligence he is obviously exceptionally limited, and oblivious to his own limitations.

[-Jonesy-]

Trump believes intelligence is proved by educational qualifications and IQ. That's why he regularly claims he's, like, really smart with an amazing IQ, higher than Obama, Bush, Tillerson, etc. although his actual IQ has never been published as far as I know. What completely fails to register with him is emotional intelligence - what it is and why it matters. In respect of emotional intelligence he is obviously exceptionally limited, and oblivious to his own limitations.

I reckon his IQ is seriously average if not below average...remember this

‘Face The Nation’ host John Dickerson tried to get Trump to muse on former George W Bush’s comment on how the Oval Office was round and therefore had no corners to hide in – meaning accountability always sat firmly at the President’s lap.
However, Trump failed to spot the metaphor and took it just a bit too literally. He said: “Well, there’s truth to that. There is truth to that. There are certainly no corners. And you look, there’s a certain openness. But there’s nobody out there. You know, there is an openness, but I’ve never seen anybody out there actually, as you could imagine.”

I mean WT actual F, what a moron, doesn't even understand what a metaphor is😂

[Slavers]

Whilst Trumps opponents get excited about fake dossiers, smear campaigns, gossip and lies in a new book and throughout the bias left wing media.

The FBI investigates the Clinton Foundation... about time too.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/clinton-foundation-emails-probe-investigation-justice-department-us-politics-a8143061.html

[hibsbollah]

Whilst Trumps opponents get excited about fake dossiers, smear campaigns, gossip and lies in a new book and throughout the bias left wing media.

The FBI investigates the Clinton Foundation... about time too.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/clinton-foundation-emails-probe-investigation-justice-department-us-politics-a8143061.html

I've no feeling either way whether Clinton may or may not be guilty, and similarly Ive no idea whether all the allegations about Trumps Russian links are true. The judiciary should be separate from the legislature in a functioning democracy but you never know whether there's political motivation at work.

None of which affects the reality of this massive bat**** crazy car crash of a presidency.

[CropleyWasGod]

Whilst Trumps opponents get excited about fake dossiers, smear campaigns, gossip and lies in a new book and throughout the bias left wing media.

The FBI investigates the Clinton Foundation... about time too.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/clinton-foundation-emails-probe-investigation-justice-department-us-politics-a8143061.htmlIs it gossip and lies in the book?

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[McD]

Whilst Trumps opponents get excited about fake dossiers, smear campaigns, gossip and lies in a new book and throughout the bias left wing media.

The FBI investigates the Clinton Foundation... about time too.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/clinton-foundation-emails-probe-investigation-justice-department-us-politics-a8143061.html


Are the the sexual harassment allegations also just smear campaigns and lies?

[Slavers]

Are the the sexual harassment allegations also just smear campaigns and lies?

You just answered your own question by including the word allegations.

[Slavers]

Is it gossip and lies in the book?

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Donald Trump says they are and he should know or of course you could believe a sacked employee.

[Kavinho]

Is it gossip and lies in the book?

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It does contain constant quotes to the extent that you'd question some of its veracity. In fairness.
Wollf does also say at the start that he has formed an opinion on what he believes the truth..


Up to the reader how much faith to put into its accuracy.


Theres a great amount of work being done by a criminal lawyer Called Seth Abramson who's been forensically analysing every single thing that's been coming out on Trump/Mueller since the start. Reckon his approach is right up your street!!
Hee spent last night reading and live tweeting his opinions on what was true, what is corroborate-able* (is that a word?!) etc.

Well worth a review of his output of he's unknown to you.



*I was given a bad thesaurus for Christmas. Not only is it terrible, but it's terrible...

[Kavinho]

In the mean time, Ive been loving the endless Gilbert & Sulivan rewrites of the modern major general, to reflect Trumps "very stable genius"!
Sometimes Twitter is golden!


For eg
I am the very model of a stable genius president
Improvident, incompetent, and wildly overconfident
I'm getting rich destroying the American experiment
Beholden like a puppet to a hostile foreign government

(@alejandrobot)

I lie through my back teeth yet cry “FAKE NEWS” at mainstream media.
I claim the moral high ground, yet in me, there’s no one seedier.
I stare all day at my TV, longing for just a glimpse of me.
I am the very model of a narcissistic deity.

(@mrnickharvey)

Plenty more

[CropleyWasGod]

Donald Trump says they are and he should know or of course you could believe a sacked employee.I'd prefer an independent source TBH

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[CropleyWasGod]

It does contain constant quotes to the extent that you'd question some of its veracity. In fairness.
Wollf does also say at the start that he has formed an opinion on what he believes the truth..


Up to the reader how much faith to put into its accuracy.


Theres a great amount of work being done by a criminal lawyer Called Seth Abramson who's been forensically analysing every single thing that's been coming out on Trump/Mueller since the start. Reckon his approach is right up your street!!
Hee spent last night reading and love tweeting his opinions on what was true, what is corroborate-able* (is that a word?!) etc.

Well worth a review of his output of he's unknown to you.



*I was given a bad thesaurus for Christmas. Not only is it terrible, but it's terrible...Cheers. Much more helpful :)

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[Kavinho]

You just answered your own question by including the word allegations.

Eh no.

An allegation is a precursor to an investigation which determines if in fact they are true or false.

Sorry for the point of order

[Kavinho]

I've read that a couple of times. But I thought he was given $1m as a starter for his businesses - he's now worth $3.5bn. So I don't think it's true. Or I need to stop banking with HBOS and their 0.5% interest.

Dow Jones is over 25,000 points don't ya know!

The quoted reference was about investing the funds, rather than putting them in a cash bank account

[Kavinho]

Donald Trump says they are and he should know or of course you could believe a sacked employee.

My own question to you would be do you readily believe everything that Trump says?

[Kavinho]

Cheers. Much more helpful :)

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You're welcome.
For eg..
Check out @SethAbramson’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/948208871012696066?s=01

[JimBHibees]

My own question to you would be do you readily believe anything that Trump says?

Fixed that for you.

[Kavinho]

Fixed that for you.

I have my own high levels of scepticism, and prefer evidence based approaches over the "believe me, trust me" approach, but no, in the interest of an open debate, Im happy for the question to read as per the original!

Cheers Jim!

[Slavers]

Eh no.

An allegation is a precursor to an investigation which determines if in fact they are true or false.

Sorry for the point of order

Well your quite right, im thinking too far into the future as these allegations IMO will turn out to be false and therefore lies.

[Kavinho]

Well your quite right, im thinking too far in to the future as these allegations IMO will turn out to be false and therefore lies.

Grand - you're entitled to your opinion it, but theres a lot of claims /conjecture coming from the opposite view point.

Just wondering what information & evidence is helping form that opinion

[Slavers]

Grand - you're entitled to your opinion it, but theres a lot of claims /conjecture coming from the opposite view point.

Just wondering what information & evidence is helping form that opinion

The amount of allegations thrown at Trump so far and he hasn't been indicted yet. The bogus russian dossier, the talk of russian meddling in the election all the personal insults thrown at the president from the left makes me think this is just a continuation of false allegations.

I also don't think that Trump would have spent his money, repeat his own money (not donors money like the Clintons or Obama) on a presidential campaign unless he knew he was squeaky clean (well clean enough not to be prosecuted).

[Kavinho]

He didn't spend his own money.

He claimed at one time he'd spend a billion, then 100 million, then 50mil.

In the end, he loaned the campaign company 10 m on the basis of getting it back.

I'll source info if I can remember where I gathered this.
Ill try and avoid fire and fury references as I feel you might instantly rubbish them!!

[Kavinho]

Also, do bare in mind him offsetting these expenses against profits and reducing tax liabilities for trumpco and the benefit gained to his businesses while people rolled into his properties.

Id hazard a good guess that hes benefited from the campaign rather than it costing him. ( hands up, no evidence... as he didnt release his tax returns. -( first one in over 40 years))

[Beefster]

I also don't think that Trump would have spent his money, repeat his own money (not donors money like the Clintons or Obama) on a presidential campaign unless he knew he was squeaky clean (well clean enough not to be prosecuted).

Where are you getting this stuff? More than half of Trump's campaign funding came from donations.

[Slavers]

Where are you getting this stuff? More than half of Trump's campaign funding came from donations.

Do you have a list of who provided the donations?

http://fortune.com/2016/12/09/donald-trump-campaign-spending/

[Kavinho]

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/07/politics/donald-trump-august-fundraising/index.html

Fair enough when I read that first i saw 2m, but his campaign man states that was the months contribution.

Heres how he makes his money back
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/donald-trump-gop-leaders-could-be-enriched-last-minute-tax-break-inserted-final

[Kavinho]

Campaign man steven mnuchin, worth c300 m usd and with a questionable ethics outlook

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-republican-tax-bill-steve-mnuchin-treasury-investigation-missing-analysis-a8086336.html%3famp


https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/03/steven-mnuchin-lego-batman-movie/520782/

[Pretty Boy]

Do you have a list of who provided the donations?

http://fortune.com/2016/12/09/donald-trump-campaign-spending/

Woody Johnson - NY Jets - $1m
Robert Kraft - NE Patriots - $1m
Jerry Jones - Dallas Cowboys - $1m
Dan Snyder - Washington Redskins - $500k
Shad Khan - Jacksonvill Jaguars - $1m
Bob McNair - Houston Texans - $2m
Stan Kroenke - LA Rams - $1m
Edwars Glazer - Tampa Bay Bucaneers - $250k

Donations made by NFL owners either to Trumps campaign or his inaugration committee. Makes him look a bit hypocritical in his attacks on them since don't you think?

[Slavers]

Woody Johnson - NY Jets - $1m
Robert Kraft - NE Patriots - $1m
Jerry Jones - Dallas Cowboys - $1m
Dan Snyder - Washington Redskins - $500k
Shad Khan - Jacksonvill Jaguars - $1m
Bob McNair - Houston Texans - $2m
Stan Kroenke - LA Rams - $1m
Edwars Glazer - Tampa Bay Bucaneers - $250k

Donations made by NFL owners either to Trumps campaign or his inaugration committee. Makes him look a bit hypocritical in his attacks on them since don't you think?

It would interesting to view Clintons list of donors in comparison.

No I don't think it makes him hypocritical it could be said that it shows you can't buy Trump as he is attacking people who donated to his campaign.

[hibsbollah]

It would interesting to view Clintons list of donors in comparison.

No I don't think it makes him hypocritical it could be said that it shows you can't buy Trump as he is attacking people who donated to his campaign.

But you're definitely not a Trump supporter?

[Moulin Yarns]

The book is available as a pdf according to the wiki leaks twitter account.

[Kavinho]

It would interesting to view Clintons list of donors in comparison.

No I don't think it makes him hypocritical it could be said that it shows you can't buy Trump as he is attacking people who donated to his campaign.


Trump paid off all of his rich pals and donators via his tax plan...
He's quoted as saying at Mar a Lago - you've all just gotten considerably richer - when the tax plan was signed off.

[McD]

Eh no.

An allegation is a precursor to an investigation which determines if in fact they are true or false.

Sorry for the point of order

thanks for saving me the trouble of pointing this out.


Well your quite right, im thinking too far into the future as these allegations IMO will turn out to be false and therefore lies.

ah, so your opinion of multiple allegations of is more important than those belonging to the participants, cool.

also, since you can’t see into the future, let’s wait and see if any of the many allegations (accurate description provided above for your perusal) come to a charge. Everyone has opinions, it’s the one belonging to the authorities that will matter.


The amount of allegations thrown at Trump so far and he hasn't been indicted yet. The bogus russian dossier, the talk of russian meddling in the election all the personal insults thrown at the president from the left makes me think this is just a continuation of false allegations.

I also don't think that Trump would have spent his money, repeat his own money (not donors money like the Clintons or Obama) on a presidential campaign unless he knew he was squeaky clean (well clean enough not to be prosecuted).

thats an interesting answer (genuinely, although I have no idea of the veracity). No talk of Russian connections or finances etc addresses the sexual harassment allegations.

[McD]

It would interesting to view Clintons list of donors in comparison.

No I don't think it makes him hypocritical it could be said that it shows you can't buy Trump as he is attacking people who donated to his campaign.


Who gives a monkeys about the clintons? You explicitly stated that trump used his own money to fund his presidential campaign, and when challenged on it, you asked for a list of his donators. Then when provided with some, you immediately deflect back to the clintons and ignore the fact your point has been totally obliterated.

you are trolling imo, knowing that trump is an emotive subject.

[Hibbyradge]

you are trolling imo, knowing that trump is an emotive subject.

:agree:

[wpj]

Who gives a monkeys about the clintons? You explicitly stated that trump used his own money to fund his presidential campaign, and when challenged on it, you asked for a list of his donators. Then when provided with some, you immediately deflect back to the clintons and ignore the fact your point has been totally obliterated.

you are trolling imo, knowing that trump is an emotive subject.

When discussing online with some American people any criticism of Trump is met with oh you think "killory" or "Obama bin Laden" would run the UK better, that's not my point, it is possible for someone to have zero faith in two parties. If you go into some of the more extreme views you will hear Obama is actually a homosexual African Muslim, Michelle is transgender and their kids are in fact orphans who have been bought to keep things in order for the "liberal elite"
The tin foil hat wearing rednecks are exhausting to anyone with a brain and now that Trump and Breitbart have parted company there is little room for any blame anymore. Fake news was always a liberal issue but now the most right wing publication is making a mockery of Trump so are they fake news too?

I do feel there is an element in trolling the pro trump line on this thread. On a positive note North and South Korea have had a successful meeting and intend to move forward with more. No this is not a result of Trump but despite him.

[MyJo]

When discussing online with some American people any criticism of Trump is met with oh you think "killory" or "Obama bin Laden" would run the UK better, that's not my point, it is possible for someone to have zero faith in two parties. If you go into some of the more extreme views you will hear Obama is actually a homosexual African Muslim, Michelle is transgender and their kids are in fact orphans who have been bought to keep things in order for the "liberal elite"
The tin foil hat wearing rednecks are exhausting to anyone with a brain and now that Trump and Breitbart have parted company there is little room for any blame anymore. Fake news was always a liberal issue but now the most right wing publication is making a mockery of Trump so are they fake news too?

I do feel there is an element in trolling the pro trump line on this thread. On a positive note North and South Korea have had a successful meeting and intend to move forward with more. No this is not a result of Trump but despite him.

South Korea deciding that dealing with a delusional, tantrum throwing, propaganda spouting man-child with nuclear weapons actually isnt that bad after a year of Trump being president.

[McD]

When discussing online with some American people any criticism of Trump is met with oh you think "killory" or "Obama bin Laden" would run the UK better, that's not my point, it is possible for someone to have zero faith in two parties. If you go into some of the more extreme views you will hear Obama is actually a homosexual African Muslim, Michelle is transgender and their kids are in fact orphans who have been bought to keep things in order for the "liberal elite"
The tin foil hat wearing rednecks are exhausting to anyone with a brain and now that Trump and Breitbart have parted company there is little room for any blame anymore. Fake news was always a liberal issue but now the most right wing publication is making a mockery of Trump so are they fake news too?

I do feel there is an element in trolling the pro trump line on this thread. On a positive note North and South Korea have had a successful meeting and intend to move forward with more. No this is not a result of Trump but despite him.


I agree, neither of the 2 candidates were particularly attractive to the voters. I just find that posters ‘pro trump, deflect deflect’ policy to be boring and not contributatory at all to the thread.

I Actually find the steps that both North and South Korea have taken to be quite hopeful and positive in a world where negative news seems to have ruled the way for some time.

[RyeSloan]

I agree, neither of the 2 candidates were particularly attractive to the voters. I just find that posters ‘pro trump, deflect deflect’ policy to be boring and not contributatory at all to the thread.

I Actually find the steps that both North and South Korea have taken to be quite hopeful and positive in a world where negative news seems to have ruled the way for some time.

It's possible that China is actually playing some ball here for once. It is after all China that ensures the NK regime continues so any softening of the NK stance will be through their bidding.

There is also the fact that NK has declared 'victory' in their nuclear breakout. They see that as job done so may now be looking to start the process of softening to try and ease some of the ever tighter and more painful sanctions that even for the long suffering populace is starting to bite just a little too hard.

[-Jonesy-]

"Why are we having all these people from s**thole countries come here?" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/trump-attacks-protections-for-immigrants-from-****hole-countries-in-oval-office-meeting/2018/01/11/bfc0725c-f711-11e7-91af-31ac729add94_story.html?__twitter_impression=true)

Not at all a racist...
:rolleyes:

[IGRIGI]

He's right, those places are ****holes.

[grunt]

He's right, those places are ****holes.
https://twitter.com/KatzOnEarth/status/951656979658870785 (https://twitter.com/KatzOnEarth/status/951656979658870785)

[CropleyWasGod]

He's right, those places are ****holes.

..through which the Americans have always just passed through.... :cb

[bigwheel]

He's right, those places are ****holes.


oh hello, someone who has never travelled in Africa has found his keyboard..

[Pete]

https://twitter.com/KatzOnEarth/status/951656979658870785 (https://twitter.com/KatzOnEarth/status/951656979658870785)

I was going to say “Why are these places ****holes” but that tweet says it a lot better.

It’s depressing that these comments will actually appeal to Trumps core support who's understanding of world history doesn’t go beyond “white settlers good, everyone else bad”.

The world would probably be a better place if America had built a wall a long time ago and kept its intervention within its confines.

[Hibs Class]

I was going to say “Why are these places ****holes” but that tweet says it a lot better.

It’s depressing that these comments will actually appeal to Trumps core support who's understanding of world history doesn’t go beyond “white settlers good, everyone else bad”.

The world would probably be a better place if America had built a wall a long time ago and kept its intervention within its confines.

:agree: Will definitely resonate with his home team.

[WestStandWillie]

Glad he's no coming tae the UK.

Not welcome ever.

[-Jonesy-]

"The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used. What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!"

Trump responds by tweet. Can anyone work out what that sentence is supposed to mean? Is he ok?

[The Pointer]

Calling a country a 'shthole' is rude or insulting, not racist.

I don't think they'll stop accepting aid on the back of this.

[marinello59]

Calling a country a 'shthole' is rude or insulting, not racist.

I don't think they'll stop accepting aid on the back of this.

Add in his comments about wanting more immigrants from places like Norway and it most certainly is racist.

[Smartie]

It's fairly simple really.

If you're from a s******e, a move to a country that has at it's head an utter imbecile hell-bent on dragging his country back to the 17th century may still seem like a step up.

If you're from "somewhere like Norway" you don't even entertain a move in that direction.

If he wants the USA to start attracting decent people from decent countries again, then he should resign immediately.

[Ricky Bobby]

This from the president of a country who's own poorest in society were left to fend for themselves for a week in the New Orleans Superdome during and after hurricane Katrina.

[RyeSloan]

Add in his comments about wanting more immigrants from places like Norway and it most certainly is racist.

Maybe 'countryist'

Wanting more higher educated immigrants compared to the large numbers of poor that come from the areas he quoted is not the daftest idea and reflects the immigration policies of a number of countries.

That said he is clearly a racist buffon who can't help himself even if I am being extremely generous in surmising he was merely trying to make a valid point on how the USA's immigration policy might be improved in terms of benefits that may accrue to the receiving nation from said immigration.

[Hibbyradge]

If he wants the USA to start attracting decent people from decent countries again, then he should resign immediately.

I agree with the sentiments of your post, but that line is a bit unfortunate.

Surely there are "decent people" in every country?

Or have I misinterpreted your comment?

[Smartie]

I agree with the sentiments of your post, but that line is a bit unfortunate.

Surely there are "decent people" in every country?

Or have I misinterpreted your comment?

Yep, my comment was crass, offensive, poorly thought out, plainly wrong and not representative of what I really believe.

That is the problem when you punch nonsense into a social media platform when angry about something.

Along with many other good reasons, my tendency to do this from time to time means that I consider myself entirely unsuitable to be the leader of the free world.



My point should have read - given the idiot that is in charge, America should be grateful that decent people from any country should wish to emigrate there, and if they are wanting the best people from the best counties to wish to live there (as they have in the past) then they are going to have to drastically change the way they do things.

[RyeSloan]

Yep, my comment was crass, offensive, poorly thought out, plainly wrong and not representative of what I really believe.

That is the problem when you punch nonsense into a social media platform when angry about something.

Along with many other good reasons, my tendency to do this from time to time means that I consider myself entirely unsuitable to be the leader of the free world.



My point should have read - given the idiot that is in charge, America should be grateful that decent people from any country should wish to emigrate there, and if they are wanting the best people from the best counties to wish to live there (as they have in the past) then they are going to have to drastically change the way they do things.

Nice post [emoji106]

As an aside I can think of nothing worse than being the leader of the free world! There would always be someone moaning about something in my ear [emoji23]

Being an autocratic dictator of the world on the other hand sounds quite fun [emoji16]

[Just Alf]

With Trump being a self proclaimed genius I thought of this pic which shows the truth in all its glory... A picture is worth a thousand words after all! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180112/b07bb27fd6b1bf14bd18497d9b6a4359.jpg

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[-Jonesy-]

With Trump being a self proclaimed genius I thought of this pic which shows the truth in all its glory... A picture is worth a thousand words after all! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180112/b07bb27fd6b1bf14bd18497d9b6a4359.jpg

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And every one of them is the c word

[Hibbyradge]

Trump denies sexual encounter with porn star

https://f7td5.app.goo.gl/2LYRh40kcZjdc9im2

Yet more fake news. Yet another liar. :rolleyes:

[Pretty Boy]

I still sometimes laugh when I see this clown parading about on TV as President.

Even allowing for the public disdain towards career politicians and the backlash against the issues of the last decade (or more) it's still ridiculous that some people have chosen him as their anti establishment hero.

[Hibrandenburg]

I still sometimes laugh when I see this clown parading about on TV as President.

Even allowing for the public disdain towards career politicians and the backlash against the issues of the last decade (or more) it's still ridiculous that some people have chosen him as their anti establishment hero.

And those voters being described as "disaffected working class", as if being disaffected and working class is a legitimate excuse to vote for a racist hoof****ing bungle****.

[Colr]

With Trump being a self proclaimed genius I thought of this pic which shows the truth in all its glory... A picture is worth a thousand words after all! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180112/b07bb27fd6b1bf14bd18497d9b6a4359.jpg

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You only need 4 words
https://janeygodley.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/trump****800x546.jpg

[Hibbyradge]

Calling a country a 'shthole' is rude or insulting, not racist.

I don't think they'll stop accepting aid on the back of this.

'There's no other word but racist': Trump faces global rebuke for remark

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/12/unkind-divisive-elitist-international-outcry-over-trumps-****hole-countries-remark?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

[heretoday]

Add in his comments about wanting more immigrants from places like Norway and it most certainly is racist.

Well, not all Norwegians are blond Aryans.

[McD]

Yep, my comment was crass, offensive, poorly thought out, plainly wrong and not representative of what I really believe.

That is the problem when you punch nonsense into a social media platform when angry about something.

Along with many other good reasons, my tendency to do this from time to time means that I consider myself entirely unsuitable to be the leader of the free world.



My point should have read - given the idiot that is in charge, America should be grateful that decent people from any country should wish to emigrate there, and if they are wanting the best people from the best counties to wish to live there (as they have in the past) then they are going to have to drastically change the way they do things.


an infinitely classier and more self aware post than Trump is capable of :aok:

[Hibbyradge]

Poor Donald. All these liars. All with similar fake accounts of what's supposed to have happened.

Thankfully for democracy they don't have the Moorov doctrine in the USA.

Porn star Alana Evans says she was invited to Trump's hotel room in 2006

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/13/trump-porn-star-alana-evans-stormy-daniels-report?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

[-Jonesy-]

Poor Donald. All these liars. All with similar fake accounts of what's supposed to have happened.

Thankfully for democracy they don't have the Moorov doctrine in the USA.

Porn star Alana Evans says she was invited to Trump's hotel room in 2006

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/13/trump-porn-star-alana-evans-stormy-daniels-report?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Surely if this Jessica Drake is responding to questions by saying she can't comment due to a NDA that's as good as admitting it happened.

[Beefster]

Just finished ‘Fire and Fury’. I find the whole car crash fascinating but truly terrifying.

[hibsbollah]

Just finished ‘Fire and Fury’. I find the whole car crash fascinating but truly terrifying.

It's getting great reviews. I was going to wait till it comes out in paperback but maybe I'll just buy it now.

[Hibbyradge]

It's getting great reviews. I was going to wait till it comes out in paperback but maybe I'll just buy it now.

I've given up buying hardbacks. They're too difficult to read in bed lying on my side.

I'll wait for the paperback but feel free to serialise it on here. 😊

[hibsbollah]

I've given up buying hardbacks. They're too difficult to read in bed lying on my side.

I'll wait for the paperback but feel free to serialise it on here. 😊

Im needing some holiday books in February, but Ryanairs baggagé allowance is stingy enough without a book the weight of a paving slab in the rucksack...

[Hibbyradge]

Im needing some holiday books in February, but Ryanairs baggagé allowance is stingy enough without a book the weight of a paving slab in the rucksack...

https://mobile.audible.co.uk/title/t1.htm?asin=B078SDWHX3&source_code=M2M30DFT1BkSH10161400FQ

[hibsbollah]

https://mobile.audible.co.uk/title/t1.htm?asin=B078SDWHX3&source_code=M2M30DFT1BkSH10161400FQ

Thanks, I might do that :aok:

[Hibrandenburg]

Im needing some holiday books in February, but Ryanairs baggagé allowance is stingy enough without a book the weight of a paving slab in the rucksack...

Get a Kindle man, join the 21st century. :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

Get a Kindle man, join the 21st century. :greengrin

Sacrilège :grr:

[Colr]

Well, not all Norwegians are blond Aryans.

Quisling was blonde!

[Colr]

Get a Kindle man, join the 21st century. :greengrin

The Kindle app is pretty good, too. And very 21st century.

[hibsbollah]

Today I see Trump is continuing to claim he's not a racist. Today is also 'pretending to like Martin Luther King day' in the states, where Republicans and Democrats alike make speeches praising a man who, if he were alive today, they'd be calling a dangerous criminal radical. Peculiar.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Poor Donald. All these liars. All with similar fake accounts of what's supposed to have happened.

Thankfully for democracy they don't have the Moorov doctrine in the USA.

Porn star Alana Evans says she was invited to Trump's hotel room in 2006

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/13/trump-porn-star-alana-evans-stormy-daniels-report?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

After doing some internet research it becomes clear why he asked her.

[The Pointer]

Well, not all Norwegians are blond Aryans.


Not in Oslo anyway.

[Jim44]

I heard official reports today that his mental health is fine and that he is of above average intelligence. Have we misjudged the poor man? :greengrin

[ACLeith]

I heard official reports today that his mental health is fine and that he is of above average intelligence. Have we misjudged the poor man? :greengrin

Fake News 😈

[Slavers]

With Trump being a self proclaimed genius I thought of this pic which shows the truth in all its glory... A picture is worth a thousand words after all! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180112/b07bb27fd6b1bf14bd18497d9b6a4359.jpg

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Why not share the whole picture that shows them all joining hands including Trump?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1707&bih=819&ei=PoVfWtfpKZKdkwWdn5LwBA&q=Trump+joins+hands&oq=Trump+joins+hands&gs_l=img.3...3119.9515.0.9621.17.10.0.7.7.0.113.59 4.8j2.10.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.12.602...0j0i8i3 0k1j0i30k1j0i24k1.0.5K5Sqmt33wQ#imgdii=QLwbDt8SYhT ntM:&imgrc=1wFgrqj9fBZiRM:&spf=1516209524359

https://goo.gl/images/cneitt

[CropleyWasGod]

Why not share the whole picture that shows them all joining hands including Trump?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1707&bih=819&ei=PoVfWtfpKZKdkwWdn5LwBA&q=Trump+joins+hands&oq=Trump+joins+hands&gs_l=img.3...3119.9515.0.9621.17.10.0.7.7.0.113.59 4.8j2.10.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.12.602...0j0i8i3 0k1j0i30k1j0i24k1.0.5K5Sqmt33wQ#imgdii=QLwbDt8SYhT ntM:&imgrc=1wFgrqj9fBZiRM:&spf=1516209524359

https://goo.gl/images/cneitt

Why not play the music so that we can ascertain whether any or all of them crossed their hands at the appropriate time in the song? :greengrin

[Slavers]

Why not play the music so that we can ascertain whether any or all of them crossed their hands at the appropriate time in the song? :greengrin

Come on now. If people are having to resort to slander, gossip and dodgy photos to discredit Trump then they are scraping the bottom of the Barrell.

The poster was trying to use that image to discredit Trump but when in reality he did join hands with those around him.

So why not tell the truth?

[CropleyWasGod]

Come on now. If people are having to resort to slander, gossip and dodgy photos to discredit Trump then they are scraping the bottom of the Barrell.

The poster was trying to use that image to discredit Trump but when in reality he did join hands with those around him.

So why not tell the truth?

Um... my post was in jest :wink:

If anything, it backed up your point :cb

[Slavers]

Um... my post was in jest :wink:

If anything, it backed up your point :cb

Sorry wasn't having a go at you more just the lack of truth needed to attack Trump. I don't like Trump but some people are so blinded by hate for the man that they are getting lead down a path of lies and that's not healthy for their decision making.

[lapsedhibee]

Come on now. If people are having to resort to slander, gossip and dodgy photos to discredit Trump then they are scraping the bottom of the Barrell.

The poster was trying to use that image to discredit Trump but when in reality he did join hands with those around him.

So why not tell the truth?

How is it a dodgy photo? Clearly shows that of the four people pictured, Trump was the last to figure out how the handholding worked. Not newsworthy at all, except in the context of him continuously boasting about how bright he is, but hardly false.

[hibsbollah]

I don't like Trump.

You keep making this declaration and then defend him in every post you make. But I'm enjoying the alt outlook anyway :aok:

[CropleyWasGod]

How is it a dodgy photo? Clearly shows that of the four people pictured, Trump was the last to figure out how the handholding worked. Not newsworthy at all, except in the context of him continuously boasting about how bright he is, but hardly false.Maybe, though, he was saying "hold on, guys, you're crossing your hands too soon. I should know, my mother is Scotch".

#JusticeForDonald

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[Slavers]

How is it a dodgy photo? Clearly shows that of the four people pictured, Trump was the last to figure out how the handholding worked. Not newsworthy at all, except in the context of him continuously boasting about how bright he is, but hardly false.

I think when the post was originally made it was used in an attempt to show that Trump was not willing to share hands.

Look at the reaction is caused for some on here shouting and swearing at the picture.

[McD]

Sorry wasn't having a go at you more just the lack of truth needed to attack Trump. I don't like Trump but some people are so blinded by hate for the man that they are getting lead down a path of lies and that's not healthy for their decision making.


:faf:

A path of lies? Whilst you ignore the many posts on this showing truths

of course, you ‘don’t like trump’ - is that part of the path of lies?

[McD]

I think when the post was originally made it was used in an attempt to show that Trump was not willing to share hands.

Look at the reaction is caused for some on here shouting and swearing at the picture.


It was made to reference his level of intelligence, certainly in the context of the post you replied to

[Slavers]

You keep making this declaration and then defend him in every post you make. But I'm enjoying the alt outlook anyway :aok:

I know It does seem that way I get caught up in it myself at times but I try not too.

It's just because the left are getting played like fiddles here it's frustrating to watch. Getting worked up into a frenzy about Trump and generally creating more divide and rule.

It has been said that the far left are the useful idiots of the globalists and their reaction to everything Trump and their identity politics shows them to be so.

I believe Trump was chosen to be president a long time ago. I think he is here to finish of what Bush and Obama really put into action, well I believe Bush, Obama, Clinton and Trump are puppets.

It's very complex and definitely connected to a luciferian agenda that has been worked for a long long time.

[Hibrandenburg]

I know It does seem that way I get caught up in it myself at times but I try not too.

It's just because the left are getting played like fiddles here it's frustrating to watch. Getting worked up into a frenzy about Trump and generally creating more divide and rule.

It has been said that the far left are the useful idiots of the globalists and their reaction to everything Trump and their identity politics shows them to be so.

I believe Trump was chosen to be president a long time ago. I think he is here to finish of what Bush and Obama really put into action, well I believe Bush, Obama, Clinton and Trump are puppets.

It's very complex and definitely connected to a luciferian agenda that has been worked for a long long time.

It's too complex for us mere mortals to understand. I'm glad you're on here to enlighten us.

[hibsbollah]

a luciferian agenda

Im genuinely fascinated. Enlighten me.

[Pete]

Im genuinely fascinated. Enlighten me.

He could tell you.

Then he’d have to kill you.

[wpj]

He could tell you.

Then he’d have to kill you.

I went to see Santa before Christmas. Was disgusted to meet Satan but was told this was a familiar lucifarian complication. More research required next year

[Slavers]

Im genuinely fascinated. Enlighten me.

Ok well ill try drip feed information as i said its all a bit mind boggling.

Tell me the significance of
the building at 666 Fifth Avenue New York, NY 10019 and who is it Owned by?

[CropleyWasGod]

Ok well ill try drip feed information as i said its all a bit mind boggling.

Tell me the significance of
the building at 666 Fifth Avenue New York, NY 10019 and who is it Owned by?( Heriot Watt, Cropley)

Is it Kushner Properties, Jeremy? And it's next door to number 667?

[lapsedhibee]

( Heriot Watt, Cropley)

Is it Kushner Properties, Jeremy? And it's next door to number 667?

FFS I knew that Americans can't write dates properly but do they also not know that 667 goes on the opposite side of the street from 666? :bitchy:

[Pretty Boy]

( Heriot Watt, Cropley)

Is it Kushner Properties, Jeremy? And it's next door to number 667?

I think he's hinting at the stake the Vornado Group own in the building. I'm guessing the significance is their CEO played a role in Trumps election campaign.

I'm actually intrigued as to where this is going.....

[RyeSloan]

Ah been a while since I heard a good Luciferian conspiracy theory [emoji16]

And I'm well looking forward to having my mind boggled by it all....

[wpj]

Was this not an Iron Maiden tune? 668 neibour of the beast......

[Moulin Yarns]

Conservative Government take a leaf out of the Donald's book.

Mexico will pay for the wall?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42723401

UK will pay for the security.

[Just Alf]

I think when the post was originally made it was used in an attempt to show that Trump was not willing to share hands.

Look at the reaction is caused for some on here shouting and swearing at the picture.You think wrong.
Look at the actual picture and then look at the actual words I used.

There is nothing in there at all regarding him not sharing hands, in fact you can (to my mind at least) clearly see is looking at his next door neighbours in readiness to hold hands.

On globalisation, I get you're trying to get your view across and possibly give some of us reason for 2nd thoughts.
That said, if you're looking at it with a similar base outlook as you looked at my post then it could bring into question your whole view on globalisation.

Then again, maybe we've just both simply got the wrong end of the stick re each others posts.



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[One Day Soon]

I think he's hinting at the stake the Vornado Group own in the building. I'm guessing the significance is their CEO played a role in Trumps election campaign.

I'm actually intrigued as to where this is going.....

We could be about to see peak .net :hyper

[Pretty Boy]

Details of this Luciferian conspiracy a bit thin on the ground. No update for about 15 hours.

[Hibrandenburg]

Details of this Luciferian conspiracy a bit thin on the ground. No update for about 15 hours.

Falkirk has been cut off from the outside world.

[wpj]

Falkirk has been cut off from the outside world.

Has been for decades

[xyz23jc]

Details of this Luciferian conspiracy a bit thin on the ground. No update for about 15 hours.

And still no statement of condemnation or support from Club 1872! :greengrin

[stantonhibby]

Details of this Luciferian conspiracy a bit thin on the ground. No update for about 15 hours.

Drip feeding the info apparently

[Hibrandenburg]

Has been for decades

:greengrin

[hibsbollah]

Having to wait a devilishly long time for details of the luciferian conspiracy. Isnt that always the way:devil:

[Hibbyradge]

Having to wait a devilishly long time for details of the luciferian conspiracy. Isnt that always the way:devil:

The morning star works in mysterious ways :wink:

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I know It does seem that way I get caught up in it myself at times but I try not too.

It's just because the left are getting played like fiddles here it's frustrating to watch. Getting worked up into a frenzy about Trump and generally creating more divide and rule.

It has been said that the far left are the useful idiots of the globalists and their reaction to everything Trump and their identity politics shows them to be so.

I believe Trump was chosen to be president a long time ago. I think he is here to finish of what Bush and Obama really put into action, well I believe Bush, Obama, Clinton and Trump are puppets.

It's very complex and definitely connected to a luciferian agenda that has been worked for a long long time.

Ive been quietly admiring your defence of trump on this (indont agree genrally, but i do agree people are getting tonwrapped up in the sideshow with him at times, plus in just find him a very uninteresting guy), but seriously, wtf is a luciferian plot?

I presume you dont lirerally mean insoired by the devil, but given a couple of the posts here lately about 9/11 conspiracies and jewish elite conspiracies, i just want to make sure!

Genuine question... given almost of all the republican elite were against him, who do you think 'chose' him, obama, bush etc?

Edit - posted the above without reading the rest of the posts! The jewish elite and 9/11 inside job chat is starting to look a lot more credible all of a sudden...

[steakbake]

Ive been quietly admiring your defence of trump on this (indont agree genrally, but i do agree people are getting tonwrapped up in the sideshow with him at times, plus in just find him a very uninteresting guy), but seriously, wtf is a luciferian plot?

I presume you dont lirerally mean insoired by the devil, but given a couple of the posts here lately about 9/11 conspiracies and jewish elite conspiracies, i just want to make sure!

Genuine question... given almost of all the republican elite were against him, who do you think 'chose' him, obama, bush etc?

Edit - posted the above without reading the rest of the posts! The jewish elite and 9/11 inside job chat is starting to look a lot more credible all of a sudden...

It was George Soros, in the crop-duster, laying out the chem-trails as agreed at the last Bilderberg meeting. Do try to keep up.

[Pretty Boy]

Damn that pesky Satan and his tardiness

[One Day Soon]

It was George Soros, in the crop-duster, laying out the chem-trails as agreed at the last Bilderberg meeting. Do try to keep up.


David Icke folk know what's going on. :sofa:

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Damn that pesky Satan and his tardiness

I just hope he is not sitting twiddling his thumbs somewhere.

We all know about the devil and idle hands...

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

It was George Soros, in the crop-duster, laying out the chem-trails as agreed at the last Bilderberg meeting. Do try to keep up.

My bad 😁

[Pretty Boy]

I just hope he is not sitting twiddling his thumbs somewhere.

We all know about the devil and idle hands...

I reckon he's just fact checking then crossing the Ts and dotting the Is. After all the devil is in the detail.

[Hibs Class]

I don't think the inaugural fake news awards this week have been covered yet. Bizarre but not surprising.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/17/trump-fake-news-awards-winners

[hibsbollah]

I don't think the inaugural fake news awards this week have been covered yet. Bizarre but not surprising.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/17/trump-fake-news-awards-winners

Things like this really kill stone dead the narrative that somehow the 'liberals' (defined these days by the alt-right as anyone to the left of Attilla the Hun) are overreacting to the existence of Trump or are somehow getting wrapped up in a sideshow. He's the real thing, a dangerous nutter in the worlds biggest job. If you dont take this seriously you're missing something.

[One Day Soon]

Things like this really kill stone dead the narrative that somehow the 'liberals' (defined these days by the alt-right as anyone to the left of Attilla the Hun) are overreacting to the existence of Trump or are somehow getting wrapped up in a sideshow. He's the real thing, a dangerous nutter in the worlds biggest job. If you dont take this seriously you're missing something.

He knows EXACTLY what he's doing and chumps on the liberal side keep falling for it. He may know eff all about governing but he sure knows his base and how to divide and conquer.

[hibsbollah]

He knows EXACTLY what he's doing and chumps on the liberal side keep falling for it. He may know eff all about governing but he sure knows his base and how to divide and conquer.

I just dont get this argument. Politician passes terrible law. People complain about terrible law. But its the people who are 'chumps' by complaining about it? Do you think it would more effective if the liberal side silently complied, to avoid looking like chumps? :dunno:

[One Day Soon]

I just dont get this argument. Politician passes terrible law. People complain about terrible law. But its the people who are 'chumps' by complaining about it? Do you think it would more effective if the liberal side silently complied, to avoid looking like chumps? :dunno:

I'm not even on to his government record, I'm talking about the social media, the spin and the straw men he sets up. Picks a target, says something mental about it, waits for the automatic liberal outrage and then watches the 'centre' having to choose between him and the liberal left.

He's been elected unfortunately and the most effective threat to his Presidency is himself in Government. This is a clear case of 'give him enough rope'.

We live in a time of extremes and until people feel there's a viable alternative in the US centre ground his circus act will keep working if people have to choose between him and the previous consensus. Every fresh Trump outrage - and the response - reinforces that choice.

[hibsbollah]

I'm not even on to his government record, I'm talking about the social media, the spin and the straw men he sets up. Picks a target, says something mental about it, waits for the automatic liberal outrage and then watches the 'centre' having to choose between him and the liberal left.

He's been elected unfortunately and the most effective threat to his Presidency is himself in Government. This is a clear case of 'give him enough rope'.

We live in a time of extremes and until people feel there's a viable alternative in the US centre ground his circus act will keep working if people have to choose between him and the previous consensus. Every fresh Trump outrage - and the response - reinforces that choice.

If by 'centre' you mean the Republican establishment, yes, you're right, those people are making a choice and are choosing Trump over the liberal left, but they are choosing him because he's disassembling the Federal Government with catastrophic consequences for the poor and massive tax cuts for multinationals, which is what the Republican establishment are aiming for these days. The republican establishment aren't all racist misanthropic bullies like Trump, but they're holding their nose and saying nothing while he tweets his craziness.

The 'liberals' however you define them, really aren't part of the story at all.

[One Day Soon]

If by 'centre' you mean the Republican establishment, yes, you're right, those people are making a choice and are choosing Trump over the liberal left, but they are choosing him because he's disassembling the Federal Government with catastrophic consequences for the poor and massive tax cuts for multinationals, which is what the Republican establishment are aiming for these days. The republican establishment aren't all racist misanthropic bullies like Trump, but they're holding their nose and saying nothing while he tweets his craziness.

The 'liberals' however you define them, really aren't part of the story at all.


I do not mean the Republican establishment - that's a separate, though related, story.

I'm talking about voters, or at least those US citizens who bother to vote. Trump goes over the heads of the US political establishment with what we regard as his craziness and delivers a 'pick me or the armageddon of the other guys' message to a divided audience and he's becoming adept at co-opting the centrists (the US centre anyway) to lean towards him rather than the post-Hillary Liberals.And every time they over react to his setups on any given Liberal touchstone issue he just watches more of the centre soften to him. So Trump gets the Republican establishment - for now - by placing them in front of the the big public stupid craziness and forces them to pick a side. I think the social media and other madness is a lot more carefully nuanced than it at first appears.

The Liberals are absolutely part of the story. They're the very centre of it. He needs them as his straw men and women to point at and say 'them or me' and they are not being very clever about trying to deny him those opportunities. In fact I think they are in denial about him altogether and seem to be hoping or believing that he will somehow naturally self destruct because they believe him to be so far beyond the political pale. Except he isn't. He's there, elected, in office and not going away any time soon. The only things that may save them from a Trump second term are; impeachment (unlikely), governmental incompetence (quite possible) or ill health. The Democrats and the broader Liberal Left are - just like here - stuck beneath a political glass ceiling that their current message and leadership cannot break through.

Anyway, I'm waiting for the rest of the Luciferian prophecies...

[hibsbollah]

I do not mean the Republican establishment - that's a separate, though related, story.

I'm talking about voters, or at least those US citizens who bother to vote. Trump goes over the heads of the US political establishment with what we regard as his craziness and delivers a 'pick me or the armageddon of the other guys' message to a divided audience and he's becoming adept at co-opting the centrists (the US centre anyway) to lean towards him rather than the post-Hillary Liberals.And every time they over react to his setups on any given Liberal touchstone issue he just watches more of the centre soften to him. So Trump gets the Republican establishment - for now - by placing them in front of the the big public stupid craziness and forces them to pick a side. I think the social media and other madness is a lot more carefully nuanced than it at first appears.

The Liberals are absolutely part of the story. They're the very centre of it. He needs them as his straw men and women to point at and say 'them or me' and they are not being very clever about trying to deny him those opportunities. In fact I think they are in denial about him altogether and seem to be hoping or believing that he will somehow naturally self destruct because they believe him to be so far beyond the political pale. Except he isn't. He's there, elected, in office and not going away any time soon. The only things that may save them from a Trump second term are; impeachment (unlikely), governmental incompetence (quite possible) or ill health. The Democrats and the broader Liberal Left are - just like here - stuck beneath a political glass ceiling that their current message and leadership cannot break through.

Anyway, I'm waiting for the rest of the Luciferian prophecies...

None of that really answers my question-how is it that the 'liberals', in your narrative, are supposed to respond? (im still conflicted about whether this label has any legitimacy or meaning in the modern world, it wasn't that long ago when liberalism was broadly defined as a good thing, representing openness to new ideas...Churchill was in some senses a liberal, David Davis is an existential liberal, I get the impression its used by virtually everybody nowadays as a pejorative, with suggestions of anti capitalist protestors, a bit smelly, pierced noses etc....anyway...)

I cant see 'nuance' in Trump at all, you're wrong there. His schtick is politically expedient, and is all about securing his core vote, but its not nuanced, anything but. It fluctuates wildly and his policies fluctuate based on his mood from one moment to the next. Predicting upcoming elections is rank stupidity, im not getting involved in that game, but I'm not as confident as you seem to be that he's well positioned for a second term. Far too early to say.

[lapsedhibee]

Anyway, I'm waiting for the rest of the Luciferian prophecies...

:I'm waiti

[Slavers]

I think he's hinting at the stake the Vornado Group own in the building. I'm guessing the significance is their CEO played a role in Trumps election campaign.

I'm actually intrigued as to where this is going.....

Trumps son in law Jared Kushner owns 666 Fifth, Jared is married to Ivanka Trump.

666 Fifth Avenue is home to Lucent Technologies (Lucent meaning 'They Shine' also a play on Lucifer the light bearer). Lucent Technologies specialize in RFID, NFC Chip technology.

Fair enough nothing too sinister going on there it may seem but then i see this homage to 666 croping up in various technology companies and beyond.

The google logo is another representation of 666 and the CERN logo is another. Coca Cola, Disney are others that all pay homage to this 666. They are loads more but google, coca cola and Disney being the obviously corrupt ones that spring to mind.

Ultimately long story cut short its all about controlling and taking away peoples personal freedoms (maybe population in time). Cash being a freedom soon to be taken away it seems with introduction of a cashless society. Im sure it will go far beyond just a cashless society with AI and robot technology.

They reason i slate the far left as they are all about limiting freedom of expression, freedom of thinking and they champion communism - which has so far been the most murderous ideology known so this suits the evil agenda. Let the far left idiots shut down a section freedom, then they will use other methods like the EU. They EU will champion a cashless society and could push for Micro chipping people in order to keep the schengen zone ideal alive.

I think just sneakily bit by bit eroding personal freedoms.

I think the agenda has multiple options available to them Trump was an option, Hillary was an option but ultimately its all leading down the same path.

I cant explain it all, i dont know it all, i don't think they are all in it together as such most are just fighting for their share of what's on offer but there is an agenda at play and no matter who it is they all pay homage to this 666 or all seeing eye or whatever other symbols they love.

I haven't mentioned 9/11 yet but that plays a part also.

Then there is the predictive programming movies predicting 9/11 before it happened, how can that be explained.

How do you explain David Rockerfella who help fund the build of the twin towers sitting in front of the twin tower building site getting his picture taken on the cover of news week and his watch states 9/11?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe=strict&hl=en&biw=1391&bih=681&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=4W5iWqK6O-SXgAa6-pvADA&q=david+rockefeller+9%2F11&oq=david+rockefeller+9%2F11&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1120.2991.0.3363.5.5.0.0.0.0.139.523.3j2.5. 0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.137...0j0i67k1.0.uR7WYIsXeA4#imgrc=V033vce NPfRbiM:

Sounds too crazy to be believed i know but that''s just what i observe.

[One Day Soon]

None of that really answers my question-how is it that the 'liberals', in your narrative, are supposed to respond? (im still conflicted about whether this label has any legitimacy or meaning in the modern world, it wasn't that long ago when liberalism was broadly defined as a good thing, representing openness to new ideas...Churchill was in some senses a liberal, David Davis is an existential liberal, I get the impression its used by virtually everybody nowadays as a pejorative, with suggestions of anti capitalist protestors, a bit smelly, pierced noses etc....anyway...)

I cant see 'nuance' in Trump at all, you're wrong there. His schtick is politically expedient, and is all about securing his core vote, but its not nuanced, anything but. It fluctuates wildly and his policies fluctuate based on his mood from one moment to the next. Predicting upcoming elections is rank stupidity, im not getting involved in that game, but I'm not as confident as you seem to be that he's well positioned for a second term. Far too early to say.


They need to oppose and expose him without amplifying him - allowing themselves to be played into their own stereotypes just lets him off the hook. The starting point would be credible political leadership, which they don't currently have. So without a messenger their message - if they have a coherent one - has little chance of being heard. Instead default representative 'liberal' voices or organisations line themselves up with a stock 'Trump bad' response - eg Hollywood voices and elected politicos regarded as being part of the establishment problem just don't cut it. In fact I think they make it easier for Trump to portray himself as the outsider trying to drain the swamp. An utterly laughable proposition but he's getting away with it so far.

I've never stopped seeing liberalism as a good thing. However the smelly protestors imagery is exactly what the right work so hard to foster because it so effectively helps to de-legitimise the credibility of prospective liberal opposition in the eyes of Trump's core vote, mainstream Republican voters and the centre ground.

Of course he's being expedient, but that is not the same as being stupid. He may be malign, narcissistic, dangerous and capricious but none of that means he doesn't know how to communicate in shoring up his position. I think his policies and his public messaging are two almost entirely separate (often even conflicting) things. Take the wall as an example. It was perhaps the most front and center thing in his campaign. Let's see how long we have to wait before any meaningful part of it is really constructed let alone the whole thing. I think the left is in danger of badly wrong footing itself if it continues to believe that his absurdity is visible to everyone else. It isn't and that's mainly because we are living through a post-factual political age in which what matters isn't what is objectively true, so much as what people want reality to be in spite of any evidence to the contrary. He's not President despite being a preposterous figure with only a marginal attachment to the truth, he's President precisely because of being like that.

Predicting future elections may be rank stupidity but unless political progressives start to work out why they lost over there and here last time round they won't even have a starting point for working out how to get to winning in both countries next time round. May and Trump are two of the most low grade leaders their respective countries have ever had and yet they defeated their opponents despite their own personal deficiencies being on full gory display. That is the most damning indictment of their opponents and their opponents' political offer that I can think of.

[One Day Soon]

Trumps son in law Jared Kushner owns 666 Fifth, Jared is married to Ivanka Trump.

666 Fifth Avenue is home to Lucent Technologies (Lucent meaning 'They Shine' also a play on Lucifer the light bearer). Lucent Technologies specialize in RFID, NFC Chip technology.

Fair enough nothing too sinister going on there it may seem but then i see this homage to 666 croping up in various technology companies and beyond.

The google logo is another representation of 666 and the CERN logo is another. Coca Cola, Disney are others that all pay homage to this 666. They are loads more but google, coca cola and Disney being the obviously corrupt ones that spring to mind.

Ultimately long story cut short its all about controlling and taking away peoples personal freedoms (maybe population in time). Cash being a freedom soon to be taken away it seems with introduction of a cashless society. Im sure it will go far beyond just a cashless society with AI and robot technology.

They reason i slate the far left as they are all about limiting freedom of expression, freedom of thinking and they champion communism - which has so far been the most murderous ideology known so this suits the evil agenda. Let the far left idiots shut down a section freedom, then they will use other methods like the EU. They EU will champion a cashless society and could push for Micro chipping people in order to keep the schengen zone ideal alive.

I think just sneakily bit by bit eroding personal freedoms.

I think the agenda has multiple options available to them Trump was an option, Hillary was an option but ultimately its all leading down the same path.

I cant explain it all, i dont know it all, i don't think they are all in it together as such most are just fighting for their share of what's on offer but there is an agenda at play and no matter who it is they all pay home to this 666 or all seeing eye or whatever other symbols they love.

I haven't mentioned 9/11 yet but that plays a part also.

Then there is the predictive programming movies predicting 9/11 before it happened, how can that be explained.

How do you explain David Rockerfella who help fund the build of the twin towers sitting in front of the twin tower building site getting his picture taken on the cover of news week and his watch states 9/11?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe=strict&hl=en&biw=1391&bih=681&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=4W5iWqK6O-SXgAa6-pvADA&q=david+rockefeller+9%2F11&oq=david+rockefeller+9%2F11&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1120.2991.0.3363.5.5.0.0.0.0.139.523.3j2.5. 0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.137...0j0i67k1.0.uR7WYIsXeA4#imgrc=V033vce NPfRbiM:

Sounds too crazy to be believed i know but that''s just what i observe.


What the actual fak?

[Hibbyradge]

Superb.

[lapsedhibee]

666 Fifth Avenue is home to Lucent Technologies (Lucent meaning 'They Shine' also a play on Lucifer the light bearer). Lucent Technologies specialize in RFID, NFC Chip technology.

Fair enough nothing too sinister going on there it may seem but then i see this homage to 666 croping up in various technology companies and beyond.

The google logo is another representation of 666 and the CERN logo is another. Coca Cola, Disney are others that all pay homage to this 666. They are loads more but google, coca cola and Disney being the obviously corrupt ones that spring to mind.

There's definitely something in the Lucent and number 6 connection. Lucent merged with Alcatel, cats are known to have 9 lives and 9 is just 6 written upside down isn't it. :agree:

[wpj]

Well that escalated slowly

[Haymaker]

Well that escalated slowly

Totally worth it though.

[grunt]

... too crazy to be believed ...At least we can agree on one thing. :agree:

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Trumps son in law Jared Kushner owns 666 Fifth, Jared is married to Ivanka Trump.

666 Fifth Avenue is home to Lucent Technologies (Lucent meaning 'They Shine' also a play on Lucifer the light bearer). Lucent Technologies specialize in RFID, NFC Chip technology.

Fair enough nothing too sinister going on there it may seem but then i see this homage to 666 croping up in various technology companies and beyond.

The google logo is another representation of 666 and the CERN logo is another. Coca Cola, Disney are others that all pay homage to this 666. They are loads more but google, coca cola and Disney being the obviously corrupt ones that spring to mind.

Ultimately long story cut short its all about controlling and taking away peoples personal freedoms (maybe population in time). Cash being a freedom soon to be taken away it seems with introduction of a cashless society. Im sure it will go far beyond just a cashless society with AI and robot technology.

They reason i slate the far left as they are all about limiting freedom of expression, freedom of thinking and they champion communism - which has so far been the most murderous ideology known so this suits the evil agenda. Let the far left idiots shut down a section freedom, then they will use other methods like the EU. They EU will champion a cashless society and could push for Micro chipping people in order to keep the schengen zone ideal alive.

I think just sneakily bit by bit eroding personal freedoms.

I think the agenda has multiple options available to them Trump was an option, Hillary was an option but ultimately its all leading down the same path.

I cant explain it all, i dont know it all, i don't think they are all in it together as such most are just fighting for their share of what's on offer but there is an agenda at play and no matter who it is they all pay homage to this 666 or all seeing eye or whatever other symbols they love.

I haven't mentioned 9/11 yet but that plays a part also.

Then there is the predictive programming movies predicting 9/11 before it happened, how can that be explained.

How do you explain David Rockerfella who help fund the build of the twin towers sitting in front of the twin tower building site getting his picture taken on the cover of news week and his watch states 9/11?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe=strict&hl=en&biw=1391&bih=681&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=4W5iWqK6O-SXgAa6-pvADA&q=david+rockefeller+9%2F11&oq=david+rockefeller+9%2F11&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1120.2991.0.3363.5.5.0.0.0.0.139.523.3j2.5. 0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.137...0j0i67k1.0.uR7WYIsXeA4#imgrc=V033vce NPfRbiM:

Sounds too crazy to be believed i know but that''s just what i observe.

Cheers for taking the time to explain.

While i actually do agree with some of your observations about personal freedom, it seems to me that you have put a lot of disparate (and very debateable) points that are loosely related st best, and then created a vast framework in which to wrap them all - i dont think its a particuarly compelling argument, snd i really dont see where the devil comes into it?

If there was some satanic elite, why would they risk the success of their conspiracy on some in joke to make sure they had 666 in their addresses / logos as much as possible?

I think some of your points about trump / clinton being from the same small elite aren't a million miles away, but im not sure What that tells us, apart from that they both habe their base in the same city amd you habe to be very well connected to and filthy rich to run for president.

I agree about the communist/socialist ideology being a murderous one in the past, amd i agree it dehumanaises people, but again im not sure what that has to do with anything else?

And again, if someone was 'in' on a conspiracy on the scale ofn9/11, why would they display the number on theor watch during an international photo shoot? Surely they would want to keep it secret?

[McD]

Trumps son in law Jared Kushner owns 666 Fifth, Jared is married to Ivanka Trump.

666 Fifth Avenue is home to Lucent Technologies (Lucent meaning 'They Shine' also a play on Lucifer the light bearer). Lucent Technologies specialize in RFID, NFC Chip technology.

Fair enough nothing too sinister going on there it may seem but then i see this homage to 666 croping up in various technology companies and beyond.

The google logo is another representation of 666 and the CERN logo is another. Coca Cola, Disney are others that all pay homage to this 666. They are loads more but google, coca cola and Disney being the obviously corrupt ones that spring to mind.

Ultimately long story cut short its all about controlling and taking away peoples personal freedoms (maybe population in time). Cash being a freedom soon to be taken away it seems with introduction of a cashless society. Im sure it will go far beyond just a cashless society with AI and robot technology.

They reason i slate the far left as they are all about limiting freedom of expression, freedom of thinking and they champion communism - which has so far been the most murderous ideology known so this suits the evil agenda. Let the far left idiots shut down a section freedom, then they will use other methods like the EU. They EU will champion a cashless society and could push for Micro chipping people in order to keep the schengen zone ideal alive.

I think just sneakily bit by bit eroding personal freedoms.

I think the agenda has multiple options available to them Trump was an option, Hillary was an option but ultimately its all leading down the same path.

I cant explain it all, i dont know it all, i don't think they are all in it together as such most are just fighting for their share of what's on offer but there is an agenda at play and no matter who it is they all pay homage to this 666 or all seeing eye or whatever other symbols they love.

I haven't mentioned 9/11 yet but that plays a part also.

Then there is the predictive programming movies predicting 9/11 before it happened, how can that be explained.

How do you explain David Rockerfella who help fund the build of the twin towers sitting in front of the twin tower building site getting his picture taken on the cover of news week and his watch states 9/11?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe=strict&hl=en&biw=1391&bih=681&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=4W5iWqK6O-SXgAa6-pvADA&q=david+rockefeller+9%2F11&oq=david+rockefeller+9%2F11&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1120.2991.0.3363.5.5.0.0.0.0.139.523.3j2.5. 0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.137...0j0i67k1.0.uR7WYIsXeA4#imgrc=V033vce NPfRbiM:

Sounds too crazy to be believed i know but that''s just what i observe.


what obvious corruption is there in google, Coca Cola and Disney?

[Beefster]

Trumps son in law Jared Kushner owns 666 Fifth, Jared is married to Ivanka Trump.

666 Fifth Avenue is home to Lucent Technologies (Lucent meaning 'They Shine' also a play on Lucifer the light bearer). Lucent Technologies specialize in RFID, NFC Chip technology.

Fair enough nothing too sinister going on there it may seem but then i see this homage to 666 croping up in various technology companies and beyond.

The google logo is another representation of 666 and the CERN logo is another. Coca Cola, Disney are others that all pay homage to this 666. They are loads more but google, coca cola and Disney being the obviously corrupt ones that spring to mind.

Ultimately long story cut short its all about controlling and taking away peoples personal freedoms (maybe population in time). Cash being a freedom soon to be taken away it seems with introduction of a cashless society. Im sure it will go far beyond just a cashless society with AI and robot technology.

They reason i slate the far left as they are all about limiting freedom of expression, freedom of thinking and they champion communism - which has so far been the most murderous ideology known so this suits the evil agenda. Let the far left idiots shut down a section freedom, then they will use other methods like the EU. They EU will champion a cashless society and could push for Micro chipping people in order to keep the schengen zone ideal alive.

I think just sneakily bit by bit eroding personal freedoms.

I think the agenda has multiple options available to them Trump was an option, Hillary was an option but ultimately its all leading down the same path.

I cant explain it all, i dont know it all, i don't think they are all in it together as such most are just fighting for their share of what's on offer but there is an agenda at play and no matter who it is they all pay homage to this 666 or all seeing eye or whatever other symbols they love.

I haven't mentioned 9/11 yet but that plays a part also.

Then there is the predictive programming movies predicting 9/11 before it happened, how can that be explained.

How do you explain David Rockerfella who help fund the build of the twin towers sitting in front of the twin tower building site getting his picture taken on the cover of news week and his watch states 9/11?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe=strict&hl=en&biw=1391&bih=681&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=4W5iWqK6O-SXgAa6-pvADA&q=david+rockefeller+9%2F11&oq=david+rockefeller+9%2F11&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1120.2991.0.3363.5.5.0.0.0.0.139.523.3j2.5. 0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.137...0j0i67k1.0.uR7WYIsXeA4#imgrc=V033vce NPfRbiM:

Sounds too crazy to be believed i know but that''s just what i observe.

It is too crazy to be believed.

[Barney McGrew]

Sounds too crazy to be believed.

Thats about the most accurate thing you’ve said

[Moulin Yarns]

Trumps son in law Jared Kushner owns 666 Fifth, Jared is married to Ivanka Trump.

666 Fifth Avenue is home to Lucent Technologies (Lucent meaning 'They Shine' also a play on Lucifer the light bearer). Lucent Technologies specialize in RFID, NFC Chip technology.

Fair enough nothing too sinister going on there it may seem but then i see this homage to 666 croping up in various technology companies and beyond.

The google logo is another representation of 666 and the CERN logo is another. Coca Cola, Disney are others that all pay homage to this 666. They are loads more but google, coca cola and Disney being the obviously corrupt ones that spring to mind.

Ultimately long story cut short its all about controlling and taking away peoples personal freedoms (maybe population in time). Cash being a freedom soon to be taken away it seems with introduction of a cashless society. Im sure it will go far beyond just a cashless society with AI and robot technology.

They reason i slate the far left as they are all about limiting freedom of expression, freedom of thinking and they champion communism - which has so far been the most murderous ideology known so this suits the evil agenda. Let the far left idiots shut down a section freedom, then they will use other methods like the EU. They EU will champion a cashless society and could push for Micro chipping people in order to keep the schengen zone ideal alive.

I think just sneakily bit by bit eroding personal freedoms.

I think the agenda has multiple options available to them Trump was an option, Hillary was an option but ultimately its all leading down the same path.

I cant explain it all, i dont know it all, i don't think they are all in it together as such most are just fighting for their share of what's on offer but there is an agenda at play and no matter who it is they all pay homage to this 666 or all seeing eye or whatever other symbols they love.

I haven't mentioned 9/11 yet but that plays a part also.

Then there is the predictive programming movies predicting 9/11 before it happened, how can that be explained.

How do you explain David Rockerfella who help fund the build of the twin towers sitting in front of the twin tower building site getting his picture taken on the cover of news week and his watch states 9/11?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe=strict&hl=en&biw=1391&bih=681&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=4W5iWqK6O-SXgAa6-pvADA&q=david+rockefeller+9%2F11&oq=david+rockefeller+9%2F11&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1120.2991.0.3363.5.5.0.0.0.0.139.523.3j2.5. 0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.137...0j0i67k1.0.uR7WYIsXeA4#imgrc=V033vce NPfRbiM:

Sounds too crazy to be believed i know but that''s just what i observe.


You are David Icke and I claim my golden ticket to Trumpa Lumpa land

FYI The twin towers of the World Trade Centre only began construction in August 1968 so the Rockefeller theory is totally wrong

[Pete]

Let me see.

The EU, Mickey Mouse and the ghost of Stalin are coming to take away our freedom with chip and pin machines.

I’m not entirely convinced mate.