(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[Stevie Reid]

Can we not ban twitter ?

I’m sure we could block access but it would likely be counterproductive and play into Musk’s hands.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m sure we could block access but it would likely be counterproductive and play into Musk’s hands.

I don’t see why? It’s not like there are not alternatives. If it’s a threat to our security then it should be gone. The first tariffs that are imposed on us that should be the reply alongside 100% tariffs on Teslas.


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[grunt]

I’m sure we could block access but it would likely be counterproductive and play into Musk’s hands.

That would be a good start. And close down the Daily Mail, the Express and the Telegraph, and clear out the RW management at the BBC. It's time the liberal centre and the left hit back.

[The Tubs]

Can we not ban twitter ?

What would happen if social media was regulated as press?

[Hibrandenburg]

What would happen if social media was regulated as press?

It should be. They should be forced to apologies for any inaccuracies and fined for libellous ones.

[Hibrandenburg]

That would be amazing. But it would be dependent upon us finding a way to defeat the endless tirades of misinformation that will continue to flood in. Unfortunately the odds are stacked against us on that front.

The final results from Germany at the weekend will tell us a lot about the level of task that we face.

I think the educational system in Germany (especially the former West) will ensure that the far right don't get more than 25% of the vote on a national level. Unfortunately there will also be people that can't be educated and then there's still those who grew up under a totalitarian regime that tend to vote extreme right or left. The AfD will unfortunately gain a significant portion of the vote on Sunday, but not enough to stop the mainstream centre parties forming an anti fascist coalition.

[Hibs4185]

That would be a good start. And close down the Daily Mail, the Express and the Telegraph, and clear out the RW management at the BBC. It's time the liberal centre and the left hit back.

The White House has banned staff from accessing to 5/6 news outlets that they don’t agree with.

[grunt]

There goes your postal votes, America!

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[Stevie Reid]

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1892785593442029712

[Stevie Reid]

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1892785593442029712

This is what you get even when you only voted for Trump for “economic reasons”.

[Ozyhibby]

This is what you get even when you only voted for Trump for “economic reasons”.

Economic reasons will look a bit stupid soon too. Inflation already rising again and a recession can’t be avoided with the number of people being sacked and the rest of the federal workers jobs under threat. Every single family will be reducing spending right now.


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[DaveF]

This is what you get even when you only voted for Trump for “economic reasons”.

Yeah, but he said 'amen' at the end so that'll please the bible belt.

It's absolutely astonishing what is going on over there. Decent Americans must be horrified.

[Ozyhibby]

Yeah, but he said 'amen' at the end so that'll please the bible belt.

It's absolutely astonishing what is going on over there. Decent Americans must be horrified.

There are not many of them or we wouldn’t be here.


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[lapsedhibee]

There are not many of them or we wouldn’t be here.


Steady on. Trump got 49.9% of the vote.

[Stairway 2 7]

Ipsos and Gallup polls today have Trumps net approval dropping 7 points from last Friday? Parroting the lines Putin has fed you will earn you cash but cost you votes it seems. Reforms polls plummeted when Farage did similar pre election

[Ozyhibby]

Ipsos and Gallup polls today have Trumps net approval dropping 7 points from last Friday? Parroting the lines Putin has fed you will earn you cash but cost you votes it seems. Reforms polls plummeted when Farage did similar pre election

By the time they have to vote again all the people who don’t like him will be ineligible to vote.[emoji23]


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[Jones28]

Noticed on Reddit this morning there have been more than a few "3rd term" hints being dropped, Trump himself even mentioned it towards the end of his first term in office I think.

Watch this fire start to take hold over the next few months.

[Ozyhibby]

Noticed on Reddit this morning there have been more than a few "3rd term" hints being dropped, Trump himself even mentioned it towards the end of his first term in office I think.

Watch this fire start to take hold over the next few months.

Constitution is clear so would require violence.


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[Jones28]

Constitution is clear so would require violence.


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Doesn't matter to these *******s, they'll cite it when it suits them.

[Hibrandenburg]

Constitution is clear so would require violence.


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Luckily they've got the right to carry guns to stop exactly this kind of nonsense.

[Ozyhibby]

Luckily they've got the right to carry guns to stop exactly this kind of nonsense.

Interesting that they always cite that they have the 2nd amendment to protect themselves against a tyrannical govt. Turns out when it happens they don’t do ****.


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[Stevie Reid]

Interesting that they always cite that they have the 2nd amendment to protect themselves against a tyrannical govt. Turns out when it happens they don’t do ****.


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This was of course the grand irony of January 6th - they stormed the Capitol to try and keep what would have been an illegitimate government in place, rather than try to overthrow it.

Their constitution is only cited when they want to say abhorrent things, or justify the horrible gun massacres that take place with frightening regularity.

The rest of it is of no interest - and indeed serves no purpose - to these *****.

[Paulie Walnuts]

This was of course the grand irony of January 6th - they stormed the Capitol to try and keep what would have been an illegitimate government in place, rather than try to overthrow it.

Their constitution is only cited when they want to say abhorrent things, or justify the horrible gun massacres that take place with frightening regularity.

The rest of it is of no interest - and indeed serves no purpose - to these *****.

:agree:

[The_Exile]

Economic reasons will look a bit stupid soon too. Inflation already rising again and a recession can’t be avoided with the number of people being sacked and the rest of the federal workers jobs under threat. Every single family will be reducing spending right now.


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I think there will be a deep recession in the US in the near future. They are in real trouble with the dollar, it's essentially the worlds reserve currency and has been for as long as I have been alive. However, the Euro is being increasingly used. It's absolutely no coincidence why him and Musk are funding far right parties all across Europe, the only way the keep the dollar strong is for Europe to be divided and fighting their own chaos. A truly united European continent is all kinds of bad news for the US. We've got over half a billion consumers, they've got around 350 million, they cannot afford to **** up the strength of their economy.

I hope we do indeed see a strong, united Europe very very soon and people reject this right wing nonsense. I will be interested to see how the vote in Germany goes, my gut feeling is that over the last few weeks is the support for the AFd is starting to wane given they're in bed with Musk and Trump. Now that it's clear Russia are pulling the strings, well, surely that'll seal the deal. Who knows though.

[Ozyhibby]

I think there will be a deep recession in the US in the near future. They are in real trouble with the dollar, it's essentially the worlds reserve currency and has been for as long as I have been alive. However, the Euro is being increasingly used. It's absolutely no coincidence why him and Musk are funding far right parties all across Europe, the only way the keep the dollar strong is for Europe to be divided and fighting their own chaos. A truly united European continent is all kinds of bad news for the US. We've got over half a billion consumers, they've got around 350 million, they cannot afford to **** up the strength of their economy.

I hope we do indeed see a strong, united Europe very very soon and people reject this right wing nonsense. I will be interested to see how the vote in Germany goes, my gut feeling is that over the last few weeks is the support for the AFd is starting to wane given they're in bed with Musk and Trump. Now that it's clear Russia are pulling the strings, well, surely that'll seal the deal. Who knows though.

I’m out of the election prediction game.[emoji6][emoji23]


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[Hibrandenburg]

I think there will be a deep recession in the US in the near future. They are in real trouble with the dollar, it's essentially the worlds reserve currency and has been for as long as I have been alive. However, the Euro is being increasingly used. It's absolutely no coincidence why him and Musk are funding far right parties all across Europe, the only way the keep the dollar strong is for Europe to be divided and fighting their own chaos. A truly united European continent is all kinds of bad news for the US. We've got over half a billion consumers, they've got around 350 million, they cannot afford to **** up the strength of their economy.

I hope we do indeed see a strong, united Europe very very soon and people reject this right wing nonsense. I will be interested to see how the vote in Germany goes, my gut feeling is that over the last few weeks is the support for the AFd is starting to wane given they're in bed with Musk and Trump. Now that it's clear Russia are pulling the strings, well, surely that'll seal the deal. Who knows though.

I think the AfD will get about 20% but mainly in the former East and will knock the SPD into third place. The CDU will get about 30% of the vote and will need 2 other parties to form a governing coalition. Coalition politics in Germany is normal and I think we'll see a CDU/SPD/Linke coalition despite the Greens getting more seats than the Linke.

[Hibs4185]

I think there will be a deep recession in the US in the near future. They are in real trouble with the dollar, it's essentially the worlds reserve currency and has been for as long as I have been alive. However, the Euro is being increasingly used. It's absolutely no coincidence why him and Musk are funding far right parties all across Europe, the only way the keep the dollar strong is for Europe to be divided and fighting their own chaos. A truly united European continent is all kinds of bad news for the US. We've got over half a billion consumers, they've got around 350 million, they cannot afford to **** up the strength of their economy.

I hope we do indeed see a strong, united Europe very very soon and people reject this right wing nonsense. I will be interested to see how the vote in Germany goes, my gut feeling is that over the last few weeks is the support for the AFd is starting to wane given they're in bed with Musk and Trump. Now that it's clear Russia are pulling the strings, well, surely that'll seal the deal. Who knows though.

Saudi Arabia and the Arab countries are stopping using the dollar for their oil transaction. They announced it last year which is a huge thing for the dollar.

I think trump mentioned he was trying to change their minds.

They are already moving away from America, Trump could speed things up.

[Ozyhibby]

Saudi Arabia and the Arab countries are stopping using the dollar for their oil transaction. They announced it last year which is a huge thing for the dollar.

I think trump mentioned he was trying to change their minds.

They are already moving away from America, Trump could speed things up.

The main things that give the dollar its power is the fact that America is a democracy and also it, as part of NATO, has unrivalled military power. Trump is undermining both.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250221/4b48409adedc6460d026c87efdb4f503.jpg
Much like the Tories here, they are not very good at the actual nuts and bolts of immigration policy.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Sadly now it would be insanity to get rid of nuclear weapons. Germany should definitely get rid of its American nuclear weapons and take French or British. Trump could do some good by helping push forward a united European military force

Yaroslav Trofimov
@yarotrof
“We need to have discussions with both the British and the French — the two European nuclear powers — about whether nuclear sharing, or at least nuclear security from the U.K. and France, could also apply to us,” says likely next chancellor Merz

[Hibs4185]

Sadly now it would be insanity to get rid of nuclear weapons. Germany should definitely get rid of its American nuclear weapons and take French or British. Trump could do some good by helping push forward a united European military force

Yaroslav Trofimov
@yarotrof
“We need to have discussions with both the British and the French — the two European nuclear powers — about whether nuclear sharing, or at least nuclear security from the U.K. and France, could also apply to us,” says likely next chancellor Merz

Are the British nukes not American??

[Northernhibee]

French media reporting that Trump will attend the 9th May parade in Moscow.

[Berwickhibby]

Are the British nukes not American??

Been a while since I served in the Forces but Trident was definitely a British system then

[allmodcons]

Been a while since I served in the Forces but Tiedent was definitely a British system then

I think the missiles are leased from the US but UK Is responsible for operating the system .

[Kato]

Liz Truss parroting right wing think tank lies with zero talent or poise.

People say she's bonkers but the content is very particularly laid out.

https://youtu.be/pUFQ4Z8cbF4?si=8LQ2OH55ztwDpnTs

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[Ozyhibby]

Sadly now it would be insanity to get rid of nuclear weapons. Germany should definitely get rid of its American nuclear weapons and take French or British. Trump could do some good by helping push forward a united European military force

Yaroslav Trofimov
@yarotrof
“We need to have discussions with both the British and the French — the two European nuclear powers — about whether nuclear sharing, or at least nuclear security from the U.K. and France, could also apply to us,” says likely next chancellor Merz

We should be considering turning it into a European system because we can’t afford to renew them ourselves anyway. Get the rest of Europe to help fund it with the guarantee that they are also covered by it.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Are the British nukes not American??

No

[Stairway 2 7]

I think the missiles are leased from the US but UK Is responsible for operating the system .

UK has around 250 UK made and owned nuclear weapons

[Kato]

We should be considering turning it into a European system because we can’t afford to renew them ourselves anyway. Get the rest of Europe to help fund it with the guarantee that they are also covered by it.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThe French system is 100% theirs I think. Has always been.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Donald Trump Was Recruited by the KGB Under Codename 'Krasnov' Claims Former Soviet Spy Chief – Byline Times (https://bylinetimes.com/2025/02/21/donald-trump-was-recruited-by-the-kgb-under-codename-krasnov-claims-former-soviet-spy-chief/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIluE9leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHe_ZC-1ushOkGsTnzFS7t1kAInjbaEpAf3bpoAanHtyWidwgH4ZPhziq Fw_aem_vvV5JAbDVMYtufx3Hf9REw)

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/480918821_1066278188874266_1869033043442440383_n.j pg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=833d8c&_nc_ohc=toi3DtZMf4QQ7kNvgEvUIXH&_nc_oc=AdgBmzxK6HsE2FqHb3oL7MH0gMlYNKxuGT9noscWQY3 F0s3D9geprS0o2YI6CjqbP6c&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&_nc_gid=Av_292LWxHhVVo9U81rMOlv&oh=00_AYByxuO4ETh3EVIEr1cFsBxqjJ4vqn8SGiOOwzzZeJn3 9g&oe=67BEAC79

[Stonewall]

This was of course the grand irony of January 6th - they stormed the Capitol to try and keep what would have been an illegitimate government in place, rather than try to overthrow it.

Their constitution is only cited when they want to say abhorrent things, or justify the horrible gun massacres that take place with frightening regularity.

The rest of it is of no interest - and indeed serves no purpose - to these *****.

The constitution serves the purpose of keeping thousands of lawyers in a job as they try to decide what it means.

[Andy Bee]

UK has around 250 UK made and owned nuclear weapons

Trident, at least the missile part of Trident is leased from the US, the Trident subs get the missiles serviced and exchanged in the US and the UK contribute to the US base that services the missiles.

[Hibrandenburg]

Donald Trump Was Recruited by the KGB Under Codename 'Krasnov' Claims Former Soviet Spy Chief – Byline Times (https://bylinetimes.com/2025/02/21/donald-trump-was-recruited-by-the-kgb-under-codename-krasnov-claims-former-soviet-spy-chief/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIluE9leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHe_ZC-1ushOkGsTnzFS7t1kAInjbaEpAf3bpoAanHtyWidwgH4ZPhziq Fw_aem_vvV5JAbDVMYtufx3Hf9REw)

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/480918821_1066278188874266_1869033043442440383_n.j pg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=833d8c&_nc_ohc=toi3DtZMf4QQ7kNvgEvUIXH&_nc_oc=AdgBmzxK6HsE2FqHb3oL7MH0gMlYNKxuGT9noscWQY3 F0s3D9geprS0o2YI6CjqbP6c&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&_nc_gid=Av_292LWxHhVVo9U81rMOlv&oh=00_AYByxuO4ETh3EVIEr1cFsBxqjJ4vqn8SGiOOwzzZeJn3 9g&oe=67BEAC79

Courtesy of David Clayton-Thomas

Someday the true story of Donald Trump’s Russian connection will be told and it will read like a spy novel worthy of Tom Clancy.

It’s the story of a beauty pageant that led to the election of a President.

In November of 2013 Donald Trump held the Miss Universe Contest in Moscow.

At the time Trump was beyond broke… He was deeply in debt and after five bankruptcies, not a bank in America would lend him money.

For a week Mr. Trump and a bevy of the most beautiful women in the world partied with all the big wigs in Russia… politicos, oligarchs, rock stars, celebrities, even Vladimir Putin himself.

There has been much speculation about what went down in that week of booze, babes and big money, but whatever it was, it changed the course of history.

A few months later the Trump organization received a massive infusion of cash from Deutsche Bank… a German banking giant that has routinely paid millions in fines for illegally laundering money for the Russians.

Trump left Moscow with the financial backing he so desperately needed and Putin had his hooks in Trump.
In 2015 Trump announced his candidacy for POTUS and Putin began actively cultivating his asset.

The Mueller report States unequivocally that Russia conducted a systematic misinformation campaign designed to tarnish Trump’s opponents and promote his candidacy.
Russia’s influence in the 2016 election was pervasive and it worked.

With Putin’s help Donald J Trump became the 45th President of the United States and he wasted no time paying off the debt he owed to his pal Vladimir.

Trump spoke glowingly of him every chance he got… every executive decision benefited Putin.

He ceded the middle east to Russia, withdrew from Syria and allowed Putin to fill the void.

He turned his back on Ukraine, the last bastion standing between Russia and a free Europe.

He disavowed NATO, the alliance that had held Russia at bay for over 70 years.

He pulled US troops out of Germany… something the Kremlin has always wanted.

At the Helsinki summit, Trump chose to publicly believe Putin over his own intelligence agencies.

He attacked America’s friends and embraced her enemies just as Vladimir wanted.

At home Trump became the divider in chief, driving deep divisions between all the different factions of American society.

To divide America from within… to drive a wedge between blacks and whites, rich and poor, left and right, has long been a part of Putin’s KGB playbook.

Russian hackers are inflaming racial tensions across the country, infiltrating radical groups and planting disinformation on social media.

We can only hope that the US Intelligence Services are prepared to address this threat because obviously Mr.Trump isn’t.

[Keith_M]

I think there will be a deep recession in the US in the near future. They are in real trouble with the dollar, it's essentially the worlds reserve currency and has been for as long as I have been alive. However, the Euro is being increasingly used. It's absolutely no coincidence why him and Musk are funding far right parties all across Europe, the only way the keep the dollar strong is for Europe to be divided and fighting their own chaos. A truly united European continent is all kinds of bad news for the US. We've got over half a billion consumers, they've got around 350 million, they cannot afford to **** up the strength of their economy.

I hope we do indeed see a strong, united Europe very very soon and people reject this right wing nonsense. I will be interested to see how the vote in Germany goes, my gut feeling is that over the last few weeks is the support for the AFd is starting to wane given they're in bed with Musk and Trump. Now that it's clear Russia are pulling the strings, well, surely that'll seal the deal. Who knows though.


Just as you wrote that I was watching the nut-job AFD leader talking about her plans to take Germany out of the the Euro and restore the Deutschmark.

It's amazing how most of the plans of the far right, like dismantling the EU, play right into the hands of Putin.

[Hibrandenburg]

Just as you wrote that I was watching the nut-job AFD leader talking about her plans to take Germany out of the the Euro and restore the Deutschmark.

It's amazing how most of the plans of the far right, like dismantling the EU, play right into the hands of Putin.

:agree: Divide and conquer, it'll never catch on.

[grunt]

We can only hope that the US Intelligence Services are prepared to address this threat because obviously Mr.Trump isn’t.
Good luck with that. Tulsi Gabbard is Director of US National Intelligence.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tulsi-gabbard-russian-connection-dni-trump-syria-b2692244.html&ved=2ahUKEwj87bPo19WLAxXqUEEAHfzKAzwQFnoECBEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0s-MiTxZRFO-fA7QA_vxs1

[grunt]

French media publication Le Point are reporting that quite incredibly Trump will join Putin in Moscow for Russia's May the 9th Victory Day celebrations.

[RyeSloan]

Saudi Arabia and the Arab countries are stopping using the dollar for their oil transaction. They announced it last year which is a huge thing for the dollar.

I think trump mentioned he was trying to change their minds.

They are already moving away from America, Trump could speed things up.

That simply not very true at all.

In fact the Saudi Riyal is pegged to the Dollar so while they may be open to accepting other currencies in reality it doesn’t make any sense for them to expose themselves to the exchange rate risk.

So due to the fact that selling in dollars is effectively the same as selling in their own currency (the exchange rate stays constant) they continue to sell their oil in dollars and will most likely continue to do so for some time yet.

[Stairway 2 7]

Trident, at least the missile part of Trident is leased from the US, the Trident subs get the missiles serviced and exchanged in the US and the UK contribute to the US base that services the missiles.

It's not leased we bought the missles for £12 billion, they do get serviced in the US. They are ours though and sending them if it ever came to it can be decided by the PM. UK are developing A21/Mk7 to replace trident though.

[Andy Bee]

It's not leased we bought the missles for £12 billion, they do get serviced in the US. They are ours though and sending them if it ever came to it can be decided by the PM. UK are developing A21/Mk7 to replace trident though.

Trident is the system, i.e. the subs, the missiles and the warheads. The subs are built in Cumbria using American designs and parts, the warheads are built in Aldermaston by a company partly controlled by Lockhead Martin, the guidance system is designed and made in the US and the UK is technically dependent on the US for that. The missiles themselves are leased from the US. I'd say the UK would need the permission of the US to fire them, they'd probably be firing them in support of the US if it ever came to that anyway.

[Stairway 2 7]

Trident is the system, i.e. the subs, the missiles and the warheads. The subs are built in Cumbria using American designs and parts, the warheads are built in Aldermaston by a company partly controlled by Lockhead Martin, the guidance system is designed and made in the US and the UK is technically dependent on the US for that. The missiles themselves are leased from the US. I'd say the UK would need the permission of the US to fire them, they'd probably be firing them in support of the US if it ever came to that anyway.

Didn't realise the missle section was leased I knew the warhead was built independent and that we are developing our own missles although with similarities to the Americans new system.

I think it's definitely a myth that we can't control or navigate them
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/no-america-doesnt-control-britains-nuclear-weapons/

They would never get used anyway but we need the deterrent of having them, if Ukraine kept them when the west made them give them up, it would be a safer country now

[Ozyhibby]

Didn't realise the missle section was leased I knew the warhead was built independent and that we are developing our own missles although with similarities to the Americans new system.

I think it's definitely a myth that we can't control or navigate them
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/no-america-doesnt-control-britains-nuclear-weapons/

They would never get used anyway but we need the deterrent of having them, if Ukraine kept them when the west made them give them up, it would be a safer country now

Every country who ever gave up Nuclear weapons except South Africa was promptly invaded shortly after. Lesson is, better to have than not.


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[Stevie Reid]

The art of the deal:

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1893013201656201662

[s.a.m]

Trump's sacked the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (who is Black) and replaced him with someone less qualified - doesn't meet the requirements for the role so needed a waiver. The Chief of Naval Operations (female) is away too, as is the Air Force vice chief ( don't know what he's done to annoy them. Seems like a distinguished service man and leader. No obvious options for a DEI accusation). The Coast Guard chief (female) was ousted earlier.

The most senior military lawyers of each of the services have been removed too.

This seems...scary. Presumably they'll be replaced by loyalists, who are prepared to take illegal action that the Chiefs of Staff wouldn't the first time round.

And Zelensky's apparently been told that if they don't agree to a mineral deal, they may switch off Starlink.

[Hibrandenburg]

Trump's sacked the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (who is Black) and replaced him with someone less qualified - doesn't meet the requirements for the role so needed a waiver. The Chief of Naval Operations (female) is away too, as is the Air Force vice chief ( don't know what he's done to annoy them. Seems like a distinguished service man and leader. No obvious options for a DEI accusation). The Coast Guard chief (female) was ousted earlier.

The most senior military lawyers of each of the services have been removed too.

This seems...scary. Presumably they'll be replaced by loyalists, who are prepared to take illegal action that the Chiefs of Staff wouldn't the first time round.

And Zelensky's apparently been told that if they don't agree to a mineral deal, they may switch off Starlink.

I'm just wondering at what point the US citizens are going to wake up and realise that their newly elected dictator is piece for piece, bit for bit dismantling their system and paving the way for the end of democracy as they know it.

[Smartie]

Trump's sacked the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (who is Black) and replaced him with someone less qualified - doesn't meet the requirements for the role so needed a waiver. The Chief of Naval Operations (female) is away too, as is the Air Force vice chief ( don't know what he's done to annoy them. Seems like a distinguished service man and leader. No obvious options for a DEI accusation). The Coast Guard chief (female) was ousted earlier.

The most senior military lawyers of each of the services have been removed too.

This seems...scary. Presumably they'll be replaced by loyalists, who are prepared to take illegal action that the Chiefs of Staff wouldn't the first time round.

And Zelensky's apparently been told that if they don't agree to a mineral deal, they may switch off Starlink.

It is scary, but it’s a purge that was predicted, promised and planned and is now being delivered.

Hegseth wants senior military figures to declare an oath of loyalty to Trump and if they refuse, they’re gone. Obviously, many have great issues with this and the people prepared to declare such an oath are vastly inferior.

Some very qualified senior military personnel have been made redundant… and promptly found gainful employment in Europe.

Your Starlink comment definitely concerns me.

At what point do his Scottish business interests and old mum’s house on Lewis become intolerably flammable?

[Moulin Yarns]

Every country who ever gave up Nuclear weapons except South Africa was promptly invaded shortly after. Lesson is, better to have than not.


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Who invaded Canada??

[Hibrandenburg]

Who invaded Canada??

White Europeans mainly :wink:

[Pretty Boy]

Trident is the system, i.e. the subs, the missiles and the warheads. The subs are built in Cumbria using American designs and parts, the warheads are built in Aldermaston by a company partly controlled by Lockhead Martin, the guidance system is designed and made in the US and the UK is technically dependent on the US for that. The missiles themselves are leased from the US. I'd say the UK would need the permission of the US to fire them, they'd probably be firing them in support of the US if it ever came to that anyway.

Not really relevant to anything but my wife's aunty lives in Aldermaston. We have been down to visit a few times and the AWE is massive. It's one of those places where the security is visible whilst being invisible at the same time if that makes sense. It's a beautiful village and the whole thing just seems totally out of place.

There is a permanent peace camp just outside. It was Serco who were running the day to day for a long while; I always remember the banner that read 'Serco = Agents of death'. Not sure if that is still the case though.

[Stairway 2 7]

Who invaded Canada??

Canada never had its own nuclear weapons. It like Germany now let the US base them there. Canada is still under the US umbrella due to NATO being a nuclear organisation.

[Bristolhibby]

I'm just wondering at what point the US citizens are going to wake up and realise that their newly elected dictator is piece for piece, bit for bit dismantling their system and paving the way for the end of democracy as they know it.

Thing is to your MAGA supporter this is all part of “draining the swamp”. Reducing Big Government bloatedness.

It’s what they voted for. Never mind that you really do need state apparatus for government to work.

The beauty of our Civil Service is our political impartiality. We severe any government. Trump is demanding political loyalty from areas of government that really should be impartial.

J

[Smartie]

I'm just wondering at what point the US citizens are going to wake up and realise that their newly elected dictator is piece for piece, bit for bit dismantling their system and paving the way for the end of democracy as they know it.

Part of the problem as I see it, is that it’s hard to stop him without doing exactly the sort of thing he is doing, and that they object to?

He sort of has them where he wants them. He beats them when they rise about it (Hilary Clinton’s “they go low, we go high”) and he’s more than happy to roll in the dirty stuff with pigs.

[s.a.m]

Not that it's going to matter to them, but...:

Igor Sushko
‪@igorsushko.bsky.social‬
The United States appears to be in violation of the Budapest Memorandum which disarmed Ukraine of nuclear weapons in exchange for security guarantees.The agreement signed by the US in 1994 specifically prohibits economic coercion against Ukraine.

3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain andNorthern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment toUkraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference onSecurity and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designedto subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rightsinherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind; [from the UN memorandum]

[Andy Bee]

Not really relevant to anything but my wife's aunty lives in Aldermaston. We have been down to visit a few times and the AWE is massive. It's one of those places where the security is visible whilst being invisible at the same time if that makes sense. It's a beautiful village and the whole thing just seems totally out of place.

There is a permanent peace camp just outside. It was Serco who were running the day to day for a long while; I always remember the banner that read 'Serco = Agents of death'. Not sure if that is still the case though.

:agree: I've worked around the area PB, it's a picture postcard village, it actually reminds me of the old TV series The Prisoner. Crazy how a beautifully quaint little village can be home to the manufacturing of the deadliest, most horrific weapons known to man.

[Keith_M]

If only that bullet had been a couple of inches to the right...

[Smartie]

If only that bullet had been a couple of inches to the right...

... then we'd be getting exactly the same sort of pish only spoken by JD Vance, with a straight face.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/480707453_9333783536678394_7569889239775340582_n.j pg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=aa7b47&_nc_ohc=ddkb7N01ez0Q7kNvgGbYuPr&_nc_oc=AdiIafT7j0Ql718DQQ6f1ofiV81kHcINwupQAmz_s9p EWNoNEjYNwMd-q1UJm9qh0FI&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&_nc_gid=ANTph9mCqVBanDa_Z7wZTZ8&oh=00_AYDIO99HW3Om_w_asyyYb5ep9aiAOXHyAgu52Kh8Mj1f lA&oe=67C00C77https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GkZdAtqXkAEzt0r?format=png&name=900x900

[Scorrie]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/480707453_9333783536678394_7569889239775340582_n.j pg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=aa7b47&_nc_ohc=ddkb7N01ez0Q7kNvgGbYuPr&_nc_oc=AdiIafT7j0Ql718DQQ6f1ofiV81kHcINwupQAmz_s9p EWNoNEjYNwMd-q1UJm9qh0FI&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&_nc_gid=ANTph9mCqVBanDa_Z7wZTZ8&oh=00_AYDIO99HW3Om_w_asyyYb5ep9aiAOXHyAgu52Kh8Mj1f lA&oe=67C00C77https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GkZdAtqXkAEzt0r?format=png&name=900x900

Just shows that you can wrap anything up in a flag and people will support. Was it Samuel Johnson that said “patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel”

[Smartie]

I’ve heard that the Starlink headlines get you panicking but that it’s not the be all and end all.

It’s mainly used for stuff like the troops nearish the front line to watch Netflix. The important stuff relating to military performance can carry on should Musk choose another suicidal route for his own personal brands.

[Stairway 2 7]

I’ve heard that the Starlink headlines get you panicking but that it’s not the be all and end all.

It’s mainly used for stuff like the troops nearish the front line to watch Netflix. The important stuff relating to military performance can carry on should Musk choose another suicidal route for his own personal brands.

I'd read it was essential for their drones. Ukraine can build 4 million drones per year now and it's the main reason Russia can't move the lines.

[Bristolhibby]

... then we'd be getting exactly the same sort of pish only spoken by JD Vance, with a straight face.

Would Vance have won the election? Trumps appeal is Trump.

J

[Smartie]

Would Vance have won the election? Trumps appeal is Trump.

J

I think he would.

Trump is just the head of the MAGA snake.

I don’t think they were voting for a black Californian woman over any white man.

The sense of grievance at Trump’s assassination would have been off the scale too, and almost impossible to counter.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Courtesy of David Clayton-Thomas

Someday the true story of Donald Trump’s Russian connection will be told and it will read like a spy novel worthy of Tom Clancy.



ta that's an interesting read :agree: i've thought for some time now a whole lot of stuff will come out about Trump after his death, hopefully not too long a wait

he's intentionally put some of the most vile individuals in key positions so to take some heat of himself, i suspect there's a lot worse to come from the Blob

[cabbageandribs1875]

Musk is not saying much after encouraging Germans to vote AfD though they have doubled their vote in four years
Elon Musk (@elonmusk) / X (https://x.com/elonmusk)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GkfbO01WkAAVE4r?format=png&name=small

[Hibrandenburg]

Musk is not saying much after encouraging Germans to vote AfD though they have doubled their vote in four years
Elon Musk (@elonmusk) / X (https://x.com/elonmusk)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GkfbO01WkAAVE4r?format=png&name=small

They were polling higher than the result is likely to be, so you could make a claim that Musk has lost them votes.

Looks like the results are going to be pretty much as I expected, there will need to be a 3 party coalition to form a government, I'd personally favour a 4 party anti nazi coalition but I don't think Merz will want to yield any power that he doesn't have to.

[Hibrandenburg]

They were polling higher than the result is likely to be, so you could make a claim that Musk has lost them votes.

Looks like the results are going to be pretty much as I expected, there will need to be a 3 party coalition to form a government, I'd personally favour a 4 party anti nazi coalition but I don't think Merz will want to yield any power that he doesn't have to.


Might be a little twist after all. BSW & FDP looking like they might fall below the 5% hurdle, if that is the case then their seats would be split amongst the other parties and would mean that CDU & SPD would have enough seats to cross the 316 threshold and give them the majority needed to form a 2 party coalition. Looks like it's going to be a long night.

[Stairway 2 7]

Decades of propaganda from birth works

[cabbageandribs1875]

They were polling higher than the result is likely to be, so you could make a claim that Musk has lost them votes.

Looks like the results are going to be pretty much as I expected, there will need to be a 3 party coalition to form a government, I'd personally favour a 4 party anti nazi coalition but I don't think Merz will want to yield any power that he doesn't have to.


no idea who he is, but he gets my vote :)


Friedrich Merz tells the TV debate panel that his top priority is to "strengthen Europe as quickly as possible so that we can be independent of the United States of America" on defence.
"I would've never thought I would need to say something like this on television, but after Donald Trump's statements last week it's clear: this American government doesn't care for Europe."
Merz then brings up how Elon Musk has "interfered" in the German election, calling it "drastic and shameful - similar to what we've heard from Moscow in the past".
Elon Musk enthusiastically endorsed the AfD last month.

[Keith_M]

Decades of propaganda from birth works


Time to (re)build the wall?

[Hibrandenburg]

Time to (re)build the wall?

I know what you're up to, you're sussed mate and I'm telling your Mrs.

[Ozyhibby]

no idea who he is, but he gets my vote :)


Friedrich Merz tells the TV debate panel that his top priority is to "strengthen Europe as quickly as possible so that we can be independent of the United States of America" on defence.
"I would've never thought I would need to say something like this on television, but after Donald Trump's statements last week it's clear: this American government doesn't care for Europe."
Merz then brings up how Elon Musk has "interfered" in the German election, calling it "drastic and shameful - similar to what we've heard from Moscow in the past".
Elon Musk enthusiastically endorsed the AfD last month.

This is a good result.[emoji106]


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[Ozyhibby]

no idea who he is, but he gets my vote :)


Friedrich Merz tells the TV debate panel that his top priority is to "strengthen Europe as quickly as possible so that we can be independent of the United States of America" on defence.
"I would've never thought I would need to say something like this on television, but after Donald Trump's statements last week it's clear: this American government doesn't care for Europe."
Merz then brings up how Elon Musk has "interfered" in the German election, calling it "drastic and shameful - similar to what we've heard from Moscow in the past".
Elon Musk enthusiastically endorsed the AfD last month.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250223/5f8280aeb0b292ba32d021af342159b4.jpg

Trump appears not to understand. Dumb ****.


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[lapsedhibee]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250223/5f8280aeb0b292ba32d021af342159b4.jpg

Trump appears not to understand.

Pretty sure he does. It's just that lies work better for him and his Make America Gullible Again base.

[Hibrandenburg]

This is a good result.[emoji106]


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:agree: The headlines will all be about the AfD getting 20% of the vote, when really it should be about the 80% of Germans who firmly rejected far right politics.

[Hibrandenburg]

Decades of propaganda from birth works

I think it's more to do with the fact the former East is struggling to find its identity in a democracy. They've suffered a brain drain since the wall fell, even though the quality of the infrastructure in the East has overtaken the West, there's still far more East West relocation than West East and that amongst women more so than men. Living through 2 consecutive totalitarian regimes will also have had a role to play in the results.

[Jones28]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250223/5f8280aeb0b292ba32d021af342159b4.jpg

Trump appears not to understand. Dumb ****.


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Humble as ever. A Gentleman who grabs women by the genitals and pays for pornstars to **** him because his wife finds him repulsive.

[lapsedhibee]

Humble as ever. A Gentleman who grabs women by the genitals and pays for pornstars to **** him because his wife finds him repulsive.

Factcheck: Wasn't it just the silence afterwards he paid for, rather than the dirty deed itself?

[Bristolhibby]

Factcheck: Wasn't it just the silence afterwards he paid for, rather than the dirty deed itself?

Whatever it was the bulk of Americans don’t give a fig what he got up to and he is a classless oaf.

Thats fine with America.

Here that would sink your political life.

J

[Pagan Hibernia]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250223/5f8280aeb0b292ba32d021af342159b4.jpg

Trump appears not to understand. Dumb ****.


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Why does he have to shout everything on social media?

[Moulin Yarns]

Whatever it was the bulk of Americans don’t give a fig what he got up to and he is a classless oaf.

Thats fine with America.

Here that would sink your political life.

J

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce30l5497x2o

Some resign for a lot less.

[tamig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce30l5497x2o

Some resign for a lot less.

An uncanny resemblance to nasty Nige in that pic.

[cabbageandribs1875]

REPORTER: You focused on what Ukraine has to give up. What concessions will be demanded of Putin?

HEGSETH: Hmm. I would start by saying that the arguments that have been made that somehow sitting down at the table right now is making concessions to Vladimir Putin, I just reject that outright.

REPORTER: Yes, but every “peace talk” so far has been about what Ukraine has to give up – territory, NATO aspirations, sovereignty. So what exactly is Putin putting on the table?

HEGSETH: Well, I don’t think it’s fair to say that we’re just giving concessions to Putin.

REPORTER: Okay, is he pulling out the Russian troops? Paying reparations? Admitting war crimes? Or is his big “compromise” that he’s just taking less from Ukraine than he originally wanted?

HEGSETH: Look, negotiations require both sides to make sacrifices.

REPORTER: Yes, but only one side has launched a full-scale invasion. If a guy steals your house and offers to give you back half of your living room, that's not a "compromise" - that's a hostage deal.

HEGSETH: I just think it's time for diplomacy.

REPORTER: Diplomacy is great when both sides want peace. But when one side just wants a "pause" to recharge, that's not diplomacy - that's setting up for the next invasion.

HEGSETH: So you're saying no negotiations, just endless war?

REPORTER: No, I'm saying that a peace agreement where only one side makes sacrifices is not peace - that's a better saying for surrender.
[h/t Adam Z Najberg]
*Christopher Adams

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250224/ddab56e3a354f1cddf7e564588ed88b6.png


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[grunt]

U.S. sides with Russia to vote against a U.N. resolution condemning Moscow for the Ukraine war.

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:ziwbaudmnvykh7umblyyjlc3/bafkreierxlhpeueq7te6t7ejgeggg4s55tfxrasxxlhujjx5r zvqjsdc5a@jpeg

[grunt]

This morning at Dept of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) HQ in DC as mandatory return to office began, this video played on loop for ~5 mins on screens throughout the building, per agency source.

Building staff couldn’t figure out how to turn it off so sent people to every floor to unplug TVs.

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:wfc5v5jxurjf4vg2wlrddxgp/bafkreib4a6sv2f2denm7ghfagrmtjaixn3ojgbmtyjuune2ky nskfdpyle@jpeg

[s.a.m]

This morning at Dept of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) HQ in DC as mandatory return to office began, this video played on loop for ~5 mins on screens throughout the building, per agency source.

Building staff couldn’t figure out how to turn it off so sent people to every floor to unplug TVs.

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:wfc5v5jxurjf4vg2wlrddxgp/bafkreib4a6sv2f2denm7ghfagrmtjaixn3ojgbmtyjuune2ky nskfdpyle@jpeg

Needs to be more of that.

[Hibrandenburg]

U.S. sides with Russia to vote against a U.N. resolution condemning Moscow for the Ukraine war.

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:ziwbaudmnvykh7umblyyjlc3/bafkreierxlhpeueq7te6t7ejgeggg4s55tfxrasxxlhujjx5r zvqjsdc5a@jpeg

Trump has made a statement that he will re-establish trade with Russia.

We have to accept that the USA is allied with Russia and will soon be helping fund Putin's war machine and maybe even supplying him with sophisticated weaponry.

[grunt]

We have to accept that the USA is allied with Russia and will soon be helping fund Putin's war machine and maybe even supplying him with sophisticated weaponry.
:bye:

[grunt]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:mzvcmrbi3poceuzt66ujpw46/bafkreieo5rh6eowm2ski2vxbp3tu6fujlijxzpvoh3vgin7wz 62wdw3hpa@jpeg

[Keith_M]

I know what you're up to, you're sussed mate and I'm telling your Mrs.


:greengrin

Come on, it's worth a try.

[DaveF]

This morning at Dept of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) HQ in DC as mandatory return to office began, this video played on loop for ~5 mins on screens throughout the building, per agency source.

Building staff couldn’t figure out how to turn it off so sent people to every floor to unplug TVs.

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:wfc5v5jxurjf4vg2wlrddxgp/bafkreib4a6sv2f2denm7ghfagrmtjaixn3ojgbmtyjuune2ky nskfdpyle@jpeg

What the hell is going on on that video?

[DaveF]

U.S. sides with Russia to vote against a U.N. resolution condemning Moscow for the Ukraine war.

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:ziwbaudmnvykh7umblyyjlc3/bafkreierxlhpeueq7te6t7ejgeggg4s55tfxrasxxlhujjx5r zvqjsdc5a@jpeg

Absolutely disgraceful. **** this US Govt and everyone in it.

[Hibs4185]

Macron just embarrassed trump in the white house z

If trump goes against macron, starmer and the majority of Europe then he really is a Russian asset

[cabbageandribs1875]

the late Senator John McCain's Nostradamus moment re Putin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLAzeHnNgR8&t=2s

[JimBHibees]

U.S. sides with Russia to vote against a U.N. resolution condemning Moscow for the Ukraine war.

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:ziwbaudmnvykh7umblyyjlc3/bafkreierxlhpeueq7te6t7ejgeggg4s55tfxrasxxlhujjx5r zvqjsdc5a@jpeg

Unbelievable but it isnt

[cabbageandribs1875]

This is a good result.[emoji106]


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i've went right off him now :hmmm:

Merz says he will find a way for Netanyahu to visit Germany without being arrested (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/merz-says-he-will-find-a-way-for-netanyahu-to-visit-germany-without-being-arrested/ar-AA1zGCQJ?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=0597c7ee0d3a48c6915fa1001ba7aa15&ei=46)

[Colr]

REPORTER: You focused on what Ukraine has to give up. What concessions will be demanded of Putin?

HEGSETH: Hmm. I would start by saying that the arguments that have been made that somehow sitting down at the table right now is making concessions to Vladimir Putin, I just reject that outright.

REPORTER: Yes, but every “peace talk” so far has been about what Ukraine has to give up – territory, NATO aspirations, sovereignty. So what exactly is Putin putting on the table?

HEGSETH: Well, I don’t think it’s fair to say that we’re just giving concessions to Putin.

REPORTER: Okay, is he pulling out the Russian troops? Paying reparations? Admitting war crimes? Or is his big “compromise” that he’s just taking less from Ukraine than he originally wanted?

HEGSETH: Look, negotiations require both sides to make sacrifices.

REPORTER: Yes, but only one side has launched a full-scale invasion. If a guy steals your house and offers to give you back half of your living room, that's not a "compromise" - that's a hostage deal.

HEGSETH: I just think it's time for diplomacy.

REPORTER: Diplomacy is great when both sides want peace. But when one side just wants a "pause" to recharge, that's not diplomacy - that's setting up for the next invasion.

HEGSETH: So you're saying no negotiations, just endless war?

REPORTER: No, I'm saying that a peace agreement where only one side makes sacrifices is not peace - that's a better saying for surrender.
[h/t Adam Z Najberg]
*Christopher Adams

Check the great deal Trump negotiated with the Taliban. That’s going well!

[grunt]

BBC’s diplomatic correspondent James Landale: “If you want a measure of the scale of the transatlantic rift, consider this: I am told yesterday was the 1st time since 1945 the US voted with Russia & against Europe at the UN on an issue of European security. Just let that sink in."

"The US voted with Russia, DPRK, Belarus, Sudan & others at the UNGA against a resolution backed by a host of countries (EU, UK, Canada, NZ + others) which blamed Russia for invading Ukraine & supported Ukraine's sovereignty & territorial integrity.”

"This was not a loose word by a member of the administration that could be walked back. This was not a maximalist opening bid by a disruptor president. This was a deliberate action by the US to side with a country the UK says poses "the most acute threat" to its security.”

"We are often told to judge Donald Trump more by what he does than what he says. Well, last night the US chose deliberately to highlight its differences with Europe on the floor of the UN at the same moment the continents' leaders were seeking to find common ground."

[Hibs4185]

I saw a famous American show. Can’t remember what it’s called, but the guy is quite famous and in sure it’s a mainstream Saturday night show.

He showed a clip of Trump criticising the Canada Trade deal and Trump saying it’s the worst deal ever.

Then showed a clip of Trump sighing the very deal he was slagging off and saying it was the best deal any president had ever delivered for the US.

Absolute clown

[Keith_M]

I saw a famous American show. Can’t remember what it’s called, but the guy is quite famous and in sure it’s a mainstream Saturday night show.

He showed a clip of Trump criticising the Canada Trade deal and Trump saying it’s the worst deal ever.

Then showed a clip of Trump sighing the very deal he was slagging off and saying it was the best deal any president had ever delivered for the US.

Absolute clown


I presume you mean this one. :greengrin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpj9Eybsahk

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250225/61d29dd8e8bc7387c2e35e1abb2344b0.png
Good to see. Has to be the world’s most overvalued share price. There is still a long way for it to fall.


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[Hibs4185]

I presume you mean this one. :greengrin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpj9Eybsahk

The very one! Thank you

[grunt]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:iejkwl7q67zqj2i5mpanbfij/bafkreifgr4jcbtkiexxekotnfje4ulj2or4wdd3iw6757ciiz a2u4ahuoe@jpeg

[cabbageandribs1875]

Tesla share price Dec 17 - $480
Tesla share price today - $306
(Location: Tesla Gigafactory, Berlin)


Hopefully hits a big fat Zero

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.75761-15/481972114_18156526195344765_9207126595882369252_n. jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=kp9qSCS7p4EQ7kNvgEbh-d0&_nc_oc=AdjqUWHsb0iRlRMWunBQSZr4lXOSpQf_UHuGYCB5d3L fUBEEoTAOHQKHvRNIPTaYhg8&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&_nc_gid=AHXhdDJ2oR1SYApwkP8Rw79&oh=00_AYC8_L9Epo_aXsHZY8zamF53Mtksudc-R44KMOXXjEpojA&oe=67C3FACF

[tamig]

Unbelievable but it isnt

Thats a rogue’s gallery of nations that voted against. Trump in exemplary company.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250225/3c1bba1a246031f071c5a8c3193ab691.jpg
Tesla re sale prices getting hit as well.


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[Andy Bee]

This really needs to be watched, Trump live at CPAC. I'm trying to stop myself laughing because of the seriousness but it's hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm75V21ENMA


Edit....Not live

[Hibrandenburg]

This really needs to be watched, Trump live at CPAC. I'm trying to stop myself laughing because of the seriousness but it's hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm75V21ENMA


Edit....Not live

I always used to believe that you had to be sharp witted to be a conman, but apparently all you need is really thick prey.

[grunt]

I'm not posting Trump's Gaza video, but bloody hell.

[lapsedhibee]

I'm not posting Trump's Gaza video, but bloody hell.

That's a cracker so it is. Shirley a new level of narcissistic personality disorder needs invented, just for him?

[DaveF]

I'm not posting Trump's Gaza video, but bloody hell.

Lost for words.

[s.a.m]

I'm not posting Trump's Gaza video, but bloody hell.

That is wildly offensive. And also hallucogenic-level offensively wild. Heavens to Betsy :rolleyes:

Planned and systematic ethnic cleansing as a holiday vid.

[Jones28]

I'm not posting Trump's Gaza video, but bloody hell.

Musk is the male model, Teslas driving around and a GOLDEN ****ING STATUE of Trump?

This is straight trolling at this point, I genuinely think they will have made this and s******ingly decided to release it knowing people will be disgusted by it.

[Jones28]

The White House announcing changes to the Press corp, first question of today came from a bloke called Brian who works for some far right tv news station.

The old press outlets are being stiffled in favour of Trump-friendly organisations/blogs/Youtubers.

What in ****s name is going on?

I'm utterly convinced within 6 months they will be serious about making an amendment to the constitution to allow Trump to run again.

[Ozyhibby]

The White House announcing changes to the Press corp, first question of today came from a bloke called Brian who works for some far right tv news station.

The old press outlets are being stiffled in favour of Trump-friendly organisations/blogs/Youtubers.

What in ****s name is going on?

I'm utterly convinced within 6 months they will be serious about making an amendment to the constitution to allow Trump to run again.

They don’t have the numbers for that. To amend the constitution takes a 3/4 of members of senate and Congress. Not going to happen.


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[Jones28]

They don’t have the numbers for that. To amend the constitution takes a 3/4 of members of senate and Congress. Not going to happen.


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IMO I don't think they will care, they will still drop it in to the conversation and try and build a groundswell of support for it.

It will lead to violence and protests on both sides. It's a terrifying thought but I genuinely think this is the endgame.

[lapsedhibee]

The White House announcing changes to the Press corp, first question of today came from a bloke called Brian who works for some far right tv news station.

The old press outlets are being stiffled in favour of Trump-friendly organisations/blogs/Youtubers.

What in ****s name is going on?

I'm utterly convinced within 6 months they will be serious about making an amendment to the constitution to allow Trump to run again.

Wouldn't it be just as easy to 'postpone' elections altogether? Maybe declare a national emergency outbreak of deadly woke mind virus, something like that.

[Ozyhibby]

Wouldn't it be just as easy to 'postpone' elections altogether? Maybe declare a national emergency outbreak of deadly woke mind virus, something like that.

Doesn’t have the power for that either. The US constitution is pretty clear on where power lies.


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[lapsedhibee]

Doesn’t have the power for that either. The US constitution is pretty clear on where power lies.


You've a great faith in the constitution, but if Trump/MAGA were to get hold of the military it surely wouldn't matter what was in the constitution?

[s.a.m]

You've a great faith in the constitution, but if Trump/MAGA were to get hold of the military it surely wouldn't matter what was in the constitution?

The courts have been holding. So far. It's worrying though that when Hegseth was talking about the sacked military senior lawyers, he said it was so they wouldn't stand in the way of what they wanted to do. You'd like to think (!?!) that the Supreme Court would back the Constitution that they're specifically there to protect, but it doesn't seem extreme to be concerned that they're looking at either martial law or some kind of military coup, if they don't get their way.

[Bostonhibby]

Wouldn't it be just as easy to 'postpone' elections altogether? Maybe declare a national emergency outbreak of deadly woke mind virus, something like that.Nice theory, but in the States deadly woke mind virus can be cured by drinking or absorbing a simple dose of bleach, I'm sure the dear leader has already made a proclamation of some sort along these lines to his disciples.

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[Off the bar]

I'm not posting Trump's Gaza video, but bloody hell.

Just googled that and wow. I’m not sure what I expected but even for Trump that’s just wow. Is there nothing beneath him?

[Keith_M]

Just googled that and wow. I’m not sure what I expected but even for Trump that’s just wow. Is there nothing beneath him?


Even died-in-the-wool Trump supporters have condemned it.

[Jones28]

A guy just rang in to LBC and explained that it looks to be satirical? Loads of references to cock ups and gaffs in it apparently.

Which makes it hilarious that he’s shared it.

[s.a.m]

A guy just rang in to LBC and explained that it looks to be satirical? Loads of references to cock ups and gaffs in it apparently.

Which makes it hilarious that he’s shared it.

I suppose it's genuinely possible that it was made as a piece of satire, and it was then reposted by Trump because he looked at it and thought, 'Yes! We need to get these guys on the design team!'.

When I saw it, my second thought after being appalled was that Trump didn't make it himself. Because... why isn't this deck-chair version a jacked, glistening demi-god? Why isn't he surrounded by thankful and adoring children? Burly manual workers with tears in their eyes?

Whichever, it's absolutely obscene that he posted it.

[Smartie]

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[CropleyWasGod]

A guy just rang in to LBC and explained that it looks to be satirical? Loads of references to cock ups and gaffs in it apparently.

Which makes it hilarious that he’s shared it.

And belly dancers with beards.

They don't exist in Trumpetland.

[lapsedhibee]

I suppose it's genuinely possible that it was made as a piece of satire, and it was then reposted by Trump because he looked at it and thought, 'Yes! We need to get these guys on the design team!'.

When I saw it, my second thought after being appalled was that Trump didn't make it himself. Because... why isn't this deck-chair version a jacked, glistening demi-god? Why isn't he surrounded by thankful and adoring children? Burly manual workers with tears in their eyes?

Whichever, it's absolutely obscene that he posted it.

No, Trump could never have made such a mistake. His account must have been hacked by a hater.

[s.a.m]

No, Trump could never have made such a mistake. His account must have been hacked by a hater.

Right enough. The guy who aced the Man Woman Person TV thing isn't going to make a mistake like that. Soz, Donald. :aok:

[grunt]

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I'm speechless after that. The emptyheadedness of it all.

[lapsedhibee]

Right enough. The guy who aced the Man Woman Person TV thing isn't going to make a mistake like that. Soz, Donald. :aok:

Trump wrote: “The tariffs will drive massive amounts of auto manufacturing to MICHIGAN, a State which I just easily one [sic] in the Presidential Election”

[Ozyhibby]

Trump wrote: “The tariffs will drive massive amounts of auto manufacturing to MICHIGAN, a State which I just easily one [sic] in the Presidential Election”

I’m sure it will hurt Michigan in the short medium term.


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[Smartie]

The courts have been holding. So far. It's worrying though that when Hegseth was talking about the sacked military senior lawyers, he said it was so they wouldn't stand in the way of what they wanted to do. You'd like to think (!?!) that the Supreme Court would back the Constitution that they're specifically there to protect, but it doesn't seem extreme to be concerned that they're looking at either martial law or some kind of military coup, if they don't get their way.

The thing I sometimes wonder about is whether or not there would be any sort of appetite for a pre-emptive strike from some sort of establishment figures against them? As in, performing sort of coup of their own in name of the greater good rather than see the nation, the power and all the weapons transferred from people representing "the people of America" in good faith to the hands of maniacs indefinitely?

There will surely be the possibility that cases for treason could be built by those in the vicinity of Trump and co, same for the supreme court judges etc? It almost feels to me like a pre-emptive strike in the name of the nation's best interests and the greater good would be more palatable than letting the place fall to the nutcases?

Will there not be some very scary people on the inside who Trump will be very much getting on the wrong side of? These people could be clever, heavily armed and organised.

There is possibly a point of no return that hasn't yet been reached.

Risky (particularly whilst public opinion remains on Trump's side) but arguably necessary at some point, if not now?

What happens going forward with the FBI will be very interesting indeed. If he successfully manages to neutralise them, well...

[s.a.m]

The thing I sometimes wonder about is whether or not there would be any sort of appetite for a pre-emptive strike from some sort of establishment figures against them? As in, performing sort of coup of their own in name of the greater good rather than see the nation, the power and all the weapons transferred from people representing "the people of America" in good faith to the hands of maniacs indefinitely?

There will surely be the possibility that cases for treason could be built by those in the vicinity of Trump and co, same for the supreme court judges etc? It almost feels to me like a pre-emptive strike in the name of the nation's best interests and the greater good would be more palatable than letting the place fall to the nutcases?

Will there not be some very scary people on the inside who Trump will be very much getting on the wrong side of? These people could be clever, heavily armed and organised.

There is possibly a point of no return that hasn't yet been reached.

Risky (particularly whilst public opinion remains on Trump's side) but arguably necessary at some point, if not now?

What happens going forward with the FBI will be very interesting indeed. If he successfully manages to neutralise them, well...

(As a wild guess!) I'd say that Right 'Uns in government are outnumbered by Wrong 'Uns, and would likely find themselves in jail on insurrection charges. I think there would need to be a popular uprising first, so that authority figures are more concerned about their electoral future or freedom if they don't take action, than of Trump of they do.

I'm not generally comfortable with allowing things to get worse for people so they change course, but as things are just now, it looks like the alternative would be even worse than that.

So, it might turn out that the reckless, feckless and rapid-fire way infrastructure, services and finances are being attacked might work out better. People will quickly see detrimental change, and that seems to be more likely to shake folk out of their complacency than a more cautious drawn-out destruction of the civic state that people would become desensitised to.

[Smartie]

(As a wild guess!) I'd say that Right 'Uns in government are outnumbered by Wrong 'Uns, and would likely find themselves in jail on insurrection charges. I think there would need to be a popular uprising first, so that authority figures are more concerned about their electoral future or freedom if they don't take action, than of Trump of they do.

I'm not generally comfortable with allowing things to get worse for people so they change course, but as things are just now, it looks like the alternative would be even worse than that.

So, it might turn out that the reckless, feckless and rapid-fire way infrastructure, services and finances are being attacked might work out better. People will quickly see detrimental change, and that seems to be more likely to shake folk out of their complacency than a more cautious drawn-out destruction of the civic state that people would become desensitised to.

All very fair and interesting points.

Generally I am VERY anti-gun.

But is there potentially a chance that the potentially incredibly disaffected - heavily armed and dangerous - could form an incredibly strong and scary bloc of opposition to a hypothetical government and military who were looking to subjugate them?

Thus, eventually justifying what have always seemed to be irrational laws on firearms?

Trump (and subsequent dictators) only prevent this by either actually improving peoples’ lives or at least chucking them enough scraps and ruling with enough fear (not so compatible with cutting defence and police budgets) to keep the hordes placid?

[s.a.m]

All very fair and interesting points.

Generally I am VERY anti-gun.

But is there potentially a chance that the potentially incredibly disaffected - heavily armed and dangerous - could form an incredibly strong and scary bloc of opposition to a hypothetical government and military who were looking to subjugate them?

Thus, eventually justifying what have always seemed to be irrational laws on firearms?

Trump (and subsequent dictators) only prevent this by either actually improving peoples’ lives or at least chucking them enough scraps and ruling with enough fear (not so compatible with cutting defence and police budgets) to keep the hordes placid?

I guess we'll see. The worry would be that the folks with the powerful weapons are on the wrong side. :dunno:

[cabbageandribs1875]

Superbowl winners decline White house visit, fly eagles fly :)



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[Stevie Reid]

The White House announcing changes to the Press corp, first question of today came from a bloke called Brian who works for some far right tv news station.

The old press outlets are being stiffled in favour of Trump-friendly organisations/blogs/Youtubers.

What in ****s name is going on?

I'm utterly convinced within 6 months they will be serious about making an amendment to the constitution to allow Trump to run again.

I’m utterly convinced that Trump will make sure he stays for a third term, and that won’t be by fair means.

I’m also convinced he’ll do far worse things than that over the next few years.

I read a Trump-sympathising commentator say recently that the thing that many people don’t understand about Trump is that it’s the shock factor in the things he says and does that he relies on.

Hardly a massively astute point, as we all know that he constantly and deliberately courts controversy.

But the much more sinister side of that is, when you go for shock value all the time - and your rabid base always laps it up - the only way you can keep going is to do things that are more extreme and more shocking. I shudder to think where we might end up.

Since January 6th, aided by many of the Supreme Court justices being so corrupt, we’ve basically been watching a coup in slow motion. Now he’s in the White House he won’t be giving that up for anyone - and the loyalist maniacs that he’s put in charge of all of major departments and agencies will make sure he doesn’t have to.

Let’s see how far he pushes his immunity too.

[s.a.m]

I’m utterly convinced that Trump will make sure he stays for a third term, and that won’t be by fair means.

I’m also convinced he’ll do far worse things than that over the next few years.

I read a Trump-sympathising commentator say recently that the thing that many people don’t understand about Trump is that it’s the shock factor in the things he says and does that he relies on.

Hardly a massively astute point, as we all know that he constantly and deliberately courts controversy.

But the much more sinister side of that is, when you go for shock value all the time - and your rabid base always laps it up - the only way you can keep going is to do things that are more extreme and more shocking. I shudder to think where we might end up.

Since January 6th, aided by many of the Supreme Court justices being so corrupt, we’ve basically been watching a coup in slow motion. Now he’s in the White House he won’t be giving that up for anyone - and the loyalist maniacs that he’s put in charge of all of major departments and agencies will make sure he doesn’t have to.

Let’s see how far he pushes his immunity too.

Maybe we'll find out if unconstitutional acts count as 'official acts'.:dunno:

[Stevie Reid]

Maybe we'll find out if unconstitutional acts count as 'official acts'.:dunno:

I suspect we will.

[Smartie]

I suspect we will.

There’s still a bit of me that wants to think that even biased and essentially corrupt judges will have a point their loyalty won’t go beyond. I know there are huge flaws in the American system but these are people of intelligence and morals. There’s loyalism to someone who may be ushering in tax breaks for the prosperous but just because that may be tolerable to them doesn’t mean that all sorts atrocities would be fair game. They’ll all have red lines.

[Jim44]

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Now deleted.

[Smartie]

Now deleted.

Interesting.

It was a clip from a podcast where Donald Trump Jr was questioning why the Americans picked the side of Ukraine in this conflict, saying that if anything they should have been sending weapons to the Russians, given Russia’s size, nuclear weapons, natural resources etc.

Even by their usual standards it was staggeringly stupid and quite chilling.

[Stevie Reid]

Interesting.

It was a clip from a podcast where Donald Trump Jr was questioning why the Americans picked the side of Ukraine in this conflict, saying that if anything they should have been sending weapons to the Russians, given Russia’s size, nuclear weapons, natural resources etc.

Even by their usual standards it was staggeringly stupid and quite chilling.

A guy I follow had deleted it shorty after posting as he couldn't find the soundbite in the podcast it was purported to be from. Looks like it was AI, but of course it wasn't at all unbelievable given that cretin's usual output.

[Stevie Reid]

There’s still a bit of me that wants to think that even biased and essentially corrupt judges will have a point their loyalty won’t go beyond. I know there are huge flaws in the American system but these are people of intelligence and morals. There’s loyalism to someone who may be ushering in tax breaks for the prosperous but just because that may be tolerable to them doesn’t mean that all sorts atrocities would be fair game. They’ll all have red lines.

Some will have. I suspect the majority that he requires will not.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i see Romania lifted the travel ban on the vile Tate brothers, both travelled on a private jet to USA


wonder if they've both purchased a Trump Golden Visa card


birds of a feather and all that

[Stevie Reid]

i see Romania lifted the travel ban on the vile Tate brothers, both travelled on a private jet to USA


wonder if they've both purchased a Trump Golden Visa card


birds of a feather and all that

They'll be straight to Mar-a-lago and into Trump's inner circle.

[Paulie Walnuts]

i see Romania lifted the travel ban on the vile Tate brothers, both travelled on a private jet to USA


wonder if they've both purchased a Trump Golden Visa card


birds of a feather and all that

Pretty sure they’re American citizens. Bellends.

[Ozyhibby]

Pretty sure they’re American citizens. Bellends.

Their UK citizenship should be cancelled then just like the young girl who went to Syria.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

well at least Trump was spot on re the fool president that signed this in 2019 :)




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[cabbageandribs1875]

They'll be straight to Mar-a-lago and into Trump's inner circle.

his friend Nigel will probably visit as well, if he finds time to leave his Clacton constituency that is

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Pretty sure they’re American citizens. Bellends.

they are, and to think they have a large following on social media that think they were/are cool dudes :rolleyes:

[Stevie Reid]

his friend Nigel will probably visit as well, if he finds time to leave his Clacton constituency that is

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they are, and to think they have a large following on social media that think they were/are cool dudes :rolleyes:

It's the social media following that's most of interest to Trump - though the fact that they're cut from the same cloth as Trump himself, obviously helps.

His disgusting online army of rabid ****wits just gets bigger and bigger all the time.

[Jim44]

Trump - Starmer live press conference starting shortly on ITV X

[Keith_M]

Trump has apparently said that if he was president the October 7th Hamas attack would never have happened,

:rolleyes:


The guy is way beyond delusional, he's full scale straight jacket material.

[Ozyhibby]

Trump - Starmer live press conference starting shortly on ITV X

It was a hard watch.[emoji2961]


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[Hibs4185]

Sooooooo.

I’ve been utterly depressed by the state of the world the last few days, predominately because of Trump’s stance on Ukraine but it tentatively looks like Ukraine could be ok in the next couple of days.

Starmer has obviously kissed his *rse with a state visit but could it be that Trump has played a blinder?

He has said that any deal could involve the return of some lands to Ukraine.
I’m speechless about the about turn in the last couple of days for Ukraine.

Could he be a good negotiator??? I know this will be cat nip to many

[jamie_1875]

Sooooooo.

I’ve been utterly depressed by the state of the world the last few days, predominately because of Trump’s stance on Ukraine but it tentatively looks like Ukraine could be ok in the next couple of days.

Starmer has obviously kissed his *rse with a state visit but could it be that Trump has played a blinder?

He has said that any deal could involve the return of some lands to Ukraine.
I’m speechless about the about turn in the last couple of days for Ukraine.

Could he be a good negotiator??? I know this will be cat nip to many

Spot on, if he pulls off a deal Ukraine are happy with then surely that's a result? Trump is an idiot but I am pretty sure under Biden we would still have the Gaza war and the Ukrainian war ongoing for a very long time.

I think there is a lot of hysterics over Trump, some deserved but some is way over the top.

[Hibs4185]

Spot on, if he pulls off a deal Ukraine are happy with then surely that's a result? Trump is an idiot but I am pretty sure under Biden we would still have the Gaza war and the Ukrainian war ongoing for a very long time.

I think there is a lot of hysterics over Trump, some deserved but some is way over the top.

Thanks for agreeing. Trump is a *unt but he may just pull off a miracle

[Ozyhibby]

I don’t think there is a deal out there that Putin can agree to but we’ll have to see. If Trump pulls off anything successful then fair dos and I don’t care what damage he does in America. That’s on them.
So far though I haven’t heard home mention a single thing Russia has to give up?


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[K-Zazu]

I don’t think there is a deal out there that Putin can agree to but we’ll have to see. If Trump pulls off anything successful then fair dos and I don’t care what damage he does in America. That’s on them.
So far though I haven’t heard home mention a single thing Russia has to give up?


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As long as people stop dying I’ll be happy and no more wars.

[Ozyhibby]

As long as people stop dying I’ll be happy and no more wars.

I’m sure you won’t have to wait long.[emoji849]


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[lapsedhibee]

As long as people stop dying I’ll be happy and no more wars.

If Ukraine had just rolled over when Putin invaded it, no-one would have died in that war. So I guess Trump is right, the war and the Ukrainian and Russian deaths were all Zelenskyy's fault. :agree:

[overdrive]

A channel called Adam Mockler came up on my YouTube feed last night. He seems to make videos that point out how stupid Trump voters are. He has a few where he's found federal workers that have been fired by DOGE that are posting on social media complaining about being fired when they have plenty of posts up to that point agreeing with everything Trump says/does (including about "draining the swamp"). He says that (despite his name) he isn't trying to mock those that have lost their job but is pointing out how brainwashed a lot of these people are. There was even somebody begging Trump on social media to give them their job back as they weren't one of the woke extreme left :rolleyes:

[The_Exile]

Just watched the argument he had with Zelensky in the oval office. Trump is truly unhinged. Absolutely medically insane.

[s.a.m]

Jings. Following the Zelensky / Trump meeting. It's going pear-shaped. Trump telling Z that he's being disrespectful, and if he doesn't agree to a deal (based on the minerals), they're out and there'll be WW3. Reminds him that the US has all the cards and Z has none. Voices are raised. JDV doesn't think Z is sufficiently grateful.

Not a lawyer, but is this not extortion? Or a souped up geo-political version of, "Can I mind yer car, Mister?" ?

Zelesky tells Trump not to make a compromise with a killer. (Putin)

[Scorrie]

Don’t think I’ve ever seen a presser like that. Trump and Vance are mental and dangerous. Fair play to Zelensky for facing up to them

[Chuck Rhoades]

That was a disaster from Zelensky. He wound them up. Constantly talking over both Trump and Vance. He’s not half made a meal of things now. It wasn’t standing up for anything, he was simply rude. At their place too. Not what anyone would’ve been hoping for.

[Sylar]

Im laughing at this in the same way you’d sheepishly laugh at someone running naked along Princes Street going “weeee-oooo, weee-oooo”.

Utterly ****ing bonkers.

[grunt]

That was a disaster from Zelensky. He wound them up. Constantly talking over both Trump and Vance. He’s not half made a meal of things now. It wasn’t standing up for anything, he was simply rude. At their place too. Not what anyone would’ve been hoping for.
:greengrin

[grunt]

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[Paulie Walnuts]

He really is a ****ing psychopath eh?

[blackpoolhibs]

Just watched it, Trump just thinks he knows best about everything.

He's insane.:boo hoo:

[Jim44]

The whole thing is a nightmare. I admire Zelensky for standing up to Trump and Vance’s bullying but he’s farting against thunder. If Trump decides to pull the plug on any sort of aid for Ukraine, and I think he will, the war will soon be over. Putin wins, get’s chunks of Ukraine and gets carte blanche to further advance on the countries he wants to Russianise. Where does that leave NATO? Full scale war?

[Hibs4185]

Absolutely sickening. Vance is a *unt as is Trump.

[Jim44]

Just saw a notification saying that Zelensky has been ‘turfed’ out of the White House as he is not ready for peace.

[grunt]

The whole thing is a nightmare. I admire Zelensky for standing up to Trump and Vance’s bullying but he’s farting against thunder. If Trump decides to pull the plug on any sort of aid for Ukraine, and I think he will, the war will soon be over. Putin wins, get’s chunks of Ukraine and gets carte blanche to further advance on the countries he wants to Russianise. Where does that leave NATO? Full scale war?
It's not as clear as that. Europe currently provides more support to UKR than the US does, and they will provide more in future; Putin and his forces are struggling. Without US support the war will continue, but it's not a given that Putin wins, IMO.

[Bristolhibby]

This is a disaster for Ukraine. The lapdog Vance did my head in also.

But what was Zelensky thinking. Just take it on the chin. This is the survival of his country we are talking about.

He must know Trump is awful, thin skinned and vindictive. He had to be more Starmer.

Thing is, this just confirms how in bed Trump and MAGA is with Putin.

Moscow must be rubbing its hands.

J

[I'm_cabbaged]

This is a disaster for Ukraine. The lapdog Vance did my head in also.

But what was Zelensky thinking. Just take it on the chin. This is the survival of his country we are talking about.

He must know Trump is awful, thin skinned and vindictive. He had to be more Starmer.

Thing is, this just confirms how in bed Trump and MAGA is with Putin.

Moscow must be rubbing its hands.

J

Absolutely, two super powers and **** the rest

[s.a.m]

This is a disaster for Ukraine. The lapdog Vance did my head in also.

But what was Zelensky thinking. Just take it on the chin. This is the survival of his country we are talking about.

He must know Trump is awful, thin skinned and vindictive. He had to be more Starmer.

Thing is, this just confirms how in bed Trump and MAGA is with Putin.

Moscow must be rubbing its hands.



To be honest, I was wondering when I heard Trump how much of that was for the benefit of the TASS reporter in the Oval Office / Putin.

I think it would have been better if Zelensky hadn't gone to DC at all. He's not dealing with honest brokers, and even so, was there much in it for Ukraine?
In terms of how he handled the exchange, calm without looking submisssive might have been more wise. But he's not the only one playing to a domestic audience. I've not got any idea what the home expectations were of the visit. I did hear an opposition politician sticking up for him the other day and saying that any deal needed to favour Ukraine interests. Maybe Steve C knows?

[Jim44]

It's not as clear as that. Europe currently provides more support to UKR than the US does, and they will provide more in future; Putin and his forces are struggling. Without US support the war will continue, but it's not a given that Putin wins, IMO.


This is a disaster for Ukraine. The lapdog Vance did my head in also.

But what was Zelensky thinking. Just take it on the chin. This is the survival of his country we are talking about.

He must know Trump is awful, thin skinned and vindictive. He had to be more Starmer.

Thing is, this just confirms how in bed Trump and MAGA is with Putin.

Moscow must be rubbing its hands.

J

I recall recently, reading but not accepting, that Trump could conceivably take sides with Putin by supplying arms, if he could get it past Congress. I don’t think he is quite as crazy as that but it’s terrifying that this sort of scenario is up for discussion.

[Stairway 2 7]

The whole thing is a nightmare. I admire Zelensky for standing up to Trump and Vance’s bullying but he’s farting against thunder. If Trump decides to pull the plug on any sort of aid for Ukraine, and I think he will, the war will soon be over. Putin wins, get’s chunks of Ukraine and gets carte blanche to further advance on the countries he wants to Russianise. Where does that leave NATO? Full scale war?

America shut off all aid last year for about 4 months and it was still a stalemate. Biden sent enough supplies at the end of his term to supply Ukraine until December. This week European nations have announced about £10 billion. The good thing about this is it will wake Europe up. Europe's economy obviously dwarfs Russias, they should never rely on the US

It makes Starmer’s invitation to the UK for Trump look disgusting it should be rescinded

[JimBHibees]

Complete set up. Hugely disrespectful to a guy whose country has been illegally attacked Europe needs to step up more than ever. Starmer yesterday handing over some letter from the king thinking this was some huge gift. Now embarrassing toasting to Trump given todays events

[Stairway 2 7]

That was a disaster from Zelensky. He wound them up. Constantly talking over both Trump and Vance. He’s not half made a meal of things now. It wasn’t standing up for anything, he was simply rude. At their place too. Not what anyone would’ve been hoping for.

He should just sit there and accept listening to Russian talking points and slander right enough. The Americans came over as boorish and uneducated

[Jones28]

That was a disaster from Zelensky. He wound them up. Constantly talking over both Trump and Vance. He’s not half made a meal of things now. It wasn’t standing up for anything, he was simply rude. At their place too. Not what anyone would’ve been hoping for.

Ehhh…what?

[Jones28]

Right Europe, America are out, totally and utterly discount them going forward and give Ukraine what they need.

I’m quite staggered by that. Zelensky is a better man than me, I think I would punched his **** in by the time it was over.

[Ozyhibby]

The whole thing is a nightmare. I admire Zelensky for standing up to Trump and Vance’s bullying but he’s farting against thunder. If Trump decides to pull the plug on any sort of aid for Ukraine, and I think he will, the war will soon be over. Putin wins, get’s chunks of Ukraine and gets carte blanche to further advance on the countries he wants to Russianise. Where does that leave NATO? Full scale war?

Not sure where you get that from? Ukraine can keep fighting so long as Europe steps up and fills the gap. No more money was ever going to come from the US. It’s up to Europe now.


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[Ozyhibby]

I recall recently, reading but not accepting, that Trump could conceivably take sides with Putin by supplying arms, if he could get it past Congress. I don’t think he is quite as crazy as that but it’s terrifying that this sort of scenario is up for discussion.

He could not get it through Congress.


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[Dan Sarf]

This is a disaster for Ukraine. The lapdog Vance did my head in also.

But what was Zelensky thinking. Just take it on the chin. This is the survival of his country we are talking about.

He must know Trump is awful, thin skinned and vindictive. He had to be more Starmer.

Thing is, this just confirms how in bed Trump and MAGA is with Putin.

Moscow must be rubbing its hands.

J

Take it on the chin? You think he should agree to sign away his country's wealth to the US with no guarantees of support from Trump because Trump promises his friend Putin won't attack again? Yeah right.

[Ozyhibby]

America shut off all aid last year for about 4 months and it was still a stalemate. Biden sent enough supplies at the end of his term to supply Ukraine until December. This week European nations have announced about £10 billion. The good thing about this is it will wake Europe up. Europe's economy obviously dwarfs Russias, they should never rely on the US

It makes Starmer’s invitation to the UK for Trump look disgusting it should be rescinded

0.13% of GDP is all it costs Europe to fund Ukraine. A bargain at that price.


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[Hibrandenburg]

I recall recently, reading but not accepting, that Trump could conceivably take sides with Putin by supplying arms, if he could get it past Congress. I don’t think he is quite as crazy as that but it’s terrifying that this sort of scenario is up for discussion.

I think you underestimate how deep Trump is in Putin's pocket. As far as Trump is concerned, the world can burn as long as he gets to stay in power. He's dismantling US democracy in front of everyone and the world is unable to do a single thing about it.

[Jim44]

I asked a few pages back but no responses so far. All we are hearing about is Trump trying to broker a deal for Ukrainian minerals as repayment for aid they have given and this could signal the end of the conflict. Not a word about the crazy Russian’s view on this.

[Hibrandenburg]

He should just sit there and accept listening to Russian talking points and slander right enough. The Americans came over as boorish and uneducated

They knew exactly what they were doing.

[Ozyhibby]

I asked a few pages back but no responses so far. All we are hearing about is Trump trying to broker a deal for Ukrainian minerals as repayment for aid they have given and this could signal the end of the conflict. Not a word about the crazy Russian’s view on this.

Exactly. There has been nothing from Trump about Russia giving up anything? The reason for that is Russia can’t or won’t give up any land other than by force.


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[Hibs Class]

Just watched it, Trump just thinks he knows best about everything.

He's insane.:boo hoo:

Dunning Kruger. Textbook.

[allmodcons]

A pair of absolutely vile *******s stitching up Zelensky and trying to force his hand in a deal that suits two super powers, the US and Russia.

I hope Ukraine’s European allies rally round Zelensky now and let Trump and his vile sidekick Vance know who’s side they are on.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I asked a few pages back but no responses so far. All we are hearing about is Trump trying to broker a deal for Ukrainian minerals as repayment for aid they have given and this could signal the end of the conflict. Not a word about the crazy Russian’s view on this.

Trump is effectively telling Ukraine its land for peace: give up everything Russia has occupied in exchange for a ceasefire. He doesn’t even need to check in with Putin; it’s a massive win for Russia, who would snap their hand off. Russia wouldn’t give up anything, would take a big chunk of Ukraine and end a conflict that has cost them around 700,000 dead and wounded so far. Trump told Zelenskyy to sign whatever is put in front of him, otherwise American assistance ends. It was basically a shake down in front of the cameras.

[Bostonhibby]

Jings. Following the Zelensky / Trump meeting. It's going pear-shaped. Trump telling Z that he's being disrespectful, and if he doesn't agree to a deal (based on the minerals), they're out and there'll be WW3. Reminds him that the US has all the cards and Z has none. Voices are raised. JDV doesn't think Z is sufficiently grateful.

Not a lawyer, but is this not extortion? Or a souped up geo-political version of, "Can I mind yer car, Mister?" ?

Zelesky tells Trump not to make a compromise with a killer. (Putin)Gangster movie, Putin's agent ****ting it as when the chips are down he has to deliver?

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[Bostonhibby]

He should just sit there and accept listening to Russian talking points and slander right enough. The Americans came over as boorish and uneducatedThugs who can pretty much do what they like to their home audience but not equipped for the world beyond right wing America.

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[s.a.m]

A pair of absolutely vile *******s stitching up Zelensky and trying to force his hand in a deal that suits two super powers, the US and Russia.

I hope Ukraine’s European allies rally round Zelensky now and let Trump and his vile sidekick Vance know who’s side they are on.


:agree:

[Stevie Reid]

Putin will be laughing his bollocks off. The US spent decades winning the Cold War, only to sell their democracy to Russia.

Russia should have been a pariah. It now seems to be pretty cosy with China and the Middle East, as America makes itself an enemy to more and more countries, both at home and abroad.

Europe really needs to be united here. I honestly cannot articulate just how much I hate Trump, Vance, Musk and all of their ilk. Well done to Zelenskyy for not bending the knee to their bullying.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Putin will be laughing his bollocks off. The US spent decades winning the Cold War, only to sell their democracy to Russia.

Russia should have been a pariah. It now seems to be pretty cosy with China and the Middle East, as America makes itself an enemy to more and more countries, both at home and abroad.

Europe really needs to be united here. I honestly cannot articulate just how much I hate Trump, Vance, Musk and all of their ilk. Well done to Zelenskyy for not bending the knee to their bullying.

:agree:

[Bostonhibby]

Putin will be laughing his bollocks off. The US spent decades winning the Cold War, only to sell their democracy to Russia.

Russia should have been a pariah. It now seems to be pretty cosy with China and the Middle East, as America makes itself an enemy to more and more countries, both at home and abroad.

Europe really needs to be united here. I honestly cannot articulate just how much I hate Trump, Vance, Musk and all of their ilk. Well done to Zelenskyy for not bending the knee to their bullying.Russia backed the right horse, they got their man home and it's payback time.

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[Stevie Reid]

It’s almost as if geopolitics is tricky, and requires some intelligence and actual diplomacy.

[Smartie]

I asked a few pages back but no responses so far. All we are hearing about is Trump trying to broker a deal for Ukrainian minerals as repayment for aid they have given and this could signal the end of the conflict. Not a word about the crazy Russian’s view on this.

FWIW - I’ve heard that the Russians haven’t been entirely thrilled with Trump and the USA since he came into power.

Their trash talk, their misrepresentation and lack of discretion regarding private conversations etc.

Trump’s a bull in a China shop. He’s pissing everybody off, including those on his own side.

Adding the massaging of a narcissist’s ego into an already complex and volatile situation helps nobody.

And whilst Zelensky is not culpable here - neither is he much of a diplomat himself.

At the end of the day, I’m not as bothered by this as I might have been. The Americans showed themselves up and Zelensky refused to be bullied. Nothing has changed.

It’s just ridiculous that this happened where it did and in front of the cameras. It should have been behind closed doors. All part of Trump’s ludicrous reality tv show that everyone still panders to.

[Paul1642]

Trump is effectively telling Ukraine its land for peace: give up everything Russia has occupied in exchange for a ceasefire. He doesn’t even need to check in with Putin; it’s a massive win for Russia, who would snap their hand off. Russia wouldn’t give up anything, would take a big chunk of Ukraine and end a conflict that has cost them around 700,000 dead and wounded so far. Trump told Zelenskyy to sign whatever is put in front of him, otherwise American assistance ends. It was basically a shake down in front of the cameras.

For clarity before posting, I am 100% for backing Ukraine and completely want them to categorically ‘win’ the war and reclaim all land lost to them, including the Crimea, however how does this realistically happen now?

Ukraine can’t just haemorrhage troops forever in what currently seems to be a stalemate? (Combat reports on this thread have dried up which was my main source of info but I assume no major territorial changes in the last year and none obviously likely).

The only way Ukraine is going to regain their territory is through direct European Military intervention. We can give them all the financial aid and weapons in the world but I don’t think they have the manpower to achieve this standing alone.

Europe becoming directly involved means world war 3 and I think it’s mainly unlikely to happen. Personally if it wasn’t for the nuclear threat I would be reluctantly supportive of the decision to intervene.

To re ask the question, how does this currently end?

[s.a.m]

Putin will be laughing his bollocks off. The US spent decades winning the Cold War, only to sell their democracy to Russia.

Russia should have been a pariah. It now seems to be pretty cosy with China and the Middle East, as America makes itself an enemy to more and more countries, both at home and abroad.

Europe really needs to be united here. I honestly cannot articulate just how much I hate Trump, Vance, Musk and all of their ilk. Well done to Zelenskyy for not bending the knee to their bullying.

Right from the start, when Trump tried to bribe him into announcing an investigation into the Biden family, he's not given in. Obviously the situation is deeply grim, but I was worried that maybe, at his wits' end, he'd give everything up to try to get a ceasefire, and then see an emboldened Russia retool and restart the onslaught a wee while down the line. I underestimated him.

I'd maybe drive to Canada and get a plane from there though... :aok:

[Hibernia&Alba]

I suppose we shouldn’t really be shocked. Trump has been saying that any peace deal won’t involve a return to Ukraine’s previous borders. America even voted with Russia at the UN just the other day. He clearly wants Zelenskyy out of office so he can deal with a pro-Putin puppet in Kiev. Crazy times.

[Stevie Reid]

Russia backed the right horse, they got their man home and it's payback time.

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It’s actually staggering how successful they’ve been. Trump in the White House twice, and now doing their bidding in the most transparent way possible.

The UK out of Europe and the continent fractured, with a significant right wing presence in government in most countries.

All thanks to their Twitter bots and owning the likes of Trump, Musk, Banks and Farage.

And all in less than a decade. Unbelievable.

[Bostonhibby]

It’s actually staggering how successful they’ve been. Trump in the White House twice, and now doing their bidding in the most transparent way possible.

The UK out of Europe and the continent fractured, with a significant right wing presence in government in most countries.

All thanks to their Twitter bots and owning the likes of Trump, Musk, Banks and Farage.

And all in less than a decade. Unbelievable.You're not wrong

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[Hibernia&Alba]

For clarity before posting, I am 100% for backing Ukraine and completely want them to categorically ‘win’ the war and reclaim all land lost to them, including the Crimea, however how does this realistically happen now?

Ukraine can’t just haemorrhage troops forever in what currently seems to be a stalemate? (Combat reports on this thread have dried up which was my main source of info but I assume no major territorial changes in the last year and none obviously likely).

The only way Ukraine is going to regain their territory is through direct European Military intervention. We can give them all the financial aid and weapons in the world but I don’t think they have the manpower to achieve this standing alone.

Europe becoming directly involved means world war 3 and I think it’s mainly unlikely to happen. Personally if it wasn’t for the nuclear threat I would be reluctantly supportive of the decision to intervene.

To re ask the question, how does this currently end?

:dunno:

It’s an absolute mess, made a hundred times worse today. America is demanding the impossible of Zelenskyy as a pretext to walking away. God knows how all this will play out; whether it’s possible to somehow fix things between Trump and Ukraine - and that’s if he even wants to. Could Europe and others fill the huge gap left behind if America walks away? If so, how soon and at what cost?

[Keith_M]

I would love Europe, the UK included, to tell Trumo and his cronies to go ***** themselves.

Problem is that the US has the UK, and other countries, in it's pocket when it comes to 'security'.


The world is currently at the mercy of the Man Baby Dicktator. A big thank you to the many millions of US citizens that put us in this situation.

[Ozyhibby]

:dunno:

It’s an absolute mess, made a hundred times worse today. America is demanding the impossible of Zelenskyy as a pretext to walking away. God knows how all this will play out; whether it’s possible to somehow fix things between Trump and Ukraine - and that’s if he even wants to. Could Europe and others fill the huge gap left behind if America walks away? If so, how soon and at what cost?

Absolutely Europe can fill the gap. The Ukrainians can hold the lines as they are just now and I don’t think Russia’s economy can last much longer. It’s easy to think of it as stalemate but Ukraine can last longer. They are not losing as many men and their economy is backed by the EU.


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[Ozyhibby]

I would love Europe, the UK included, to tell Trumo and his cronies to go ***** themselves.

Problem is that the US has the UK, and other countries, in it's pocket when it comes to 'security'.


The world is currently at the mercy of the Man Baby Dicktator. A big thank you to the many millions of US citizens that put us in this situation.

To be fair, I think we have been thrown out the pocket. Europe is on its own now.


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[Keith_M]

To be fair, I think we have been thrown out the pocket. Europe is on its own now.


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I wish that were true but unfortunately so many of our weapons are produced by the US, as is a large chunk of the software provided for security and surveillance.

We have a ridiculous level of reliance on the US and even if we withdraw from any agreements, they would still be 'the enemy within'

https://www.forcesnews.com/nato/uk-defence-shortfalls-and-europes-reliance-us-pose-terrifying-risk-expert-warns

[Scorrie]

Has Starmer commented on the Zelensky Trump dialogue? I see that 14 European leaders so far have come out in clear support for Ukraine but haven’t seen anything from our government

[Ozyhibby]

Has Starmer commented on the Zelensky Trump dialogue? I see that 14 European leaders so far have come out in clear support for Ukraine but haven’t seen anything from our government

Don’t expect much from Starmer.


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[Keith_M]

Don’t expect much from Starmer.



:agree:

Sad but true

[Stairway 2 7]

I wish that were true but unfortunately so many of our weapons are produced by the US, as is a large chunk of the software provided for security and surveillance.

We have a ridiculous level of reliance on the US and even if we withdraw from any agreements, they would still be 'the enemy within'

https://www.forcesnews.com/nato/uk-defence-shortfalls-and-europes-reliance-us-pose-terrifying-risk-expert-warns

Europe can easily step up and cover the gaps. The UK, Sweden, Germany and France has massive military industries that can upscale. Turkey will sell to us and Poland has just spent billions modernising on south Korean equipment.

Ukraine has held of the full might of Russia with mostly obsolete 1970s equipment and spares. Europe's 500 eurofighters and 300 f35s could take out Russias front lines and be back to watch hibs beat hearts. It's political will that's the problem. Trump might have just united Europe to levels never seen. I don't think the US has been this disliked since Vietnam

[Kato]

Just saw the meeting.

Like an endebted business man meeting with the mafia.

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[Scorrie]

Just saw the meeting.

Like an endebted business man meeting with the mafia.

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Which one was which?!

[Smartie]

Don’t expect much from Starmer.


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Leaving Starmer open to potentially carry an olive branch isn’t the worst idea.

We’d all love to tell Trump to F off, which is why we’re not at the absolute pinnacle of international diplomacy.

[Kato]

Which one was which?!Which one do you think?


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[s.a.m]

Just saw the meeting.

Like an endebted business man meeting with the mafia.

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You're not alone :greengrin

"diesen mafiösen Imperialismus" - Sabine Döring‪@sabinedoering.bsky.social

[lapsedhibee]

Which one do you think?


Now would be a good time to find out details of Trump's indebtedness to Putin. Was it money or snaps, for example, that led to the slavish devotion to Putin's cause?

[ddoc]

Z basically walked into an ambush and had to either touch the forelock or responded in kind.
This should have been a meet and greet and the harsh, hard words delivered behind closed doors. Instead they tried to, imo, humiliate him in front of a world audience.
Countries that once considered the US to be a steadfast ally must now surely realise that a Trump led USA can no longer be depended upon and the UK and EU need to pull together like never before.
The fallout from this disastrous meeting will be playing out for some time to come and in the meantime Putin is laughing his bits off.

[Bishop Hibee]

Trump’s fascist administration can go to hell.

[Kato]

You're not alone :greengrin

"diesen mafiösen Imperialismus" - Sabine Döring‪@sabinedoering.bsky.social
It's the "you should be more grateful".



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[tamig]

Absolutely Europe can fill the gap. The Ukrainians can hold the lines as they are just now and I don’t think Russia’s economy can last much longer. It’s easy to think of it as stalemate but Ukraine can last longer. They are not losing as many men and their economy is backed by the EU.


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You’ve been banging on for months about the imminent collapse of the Russian economy. Yet here we are and nothing has really changed. The Russians will keep going as long as they can still man the machine. A long way to go before that well dries up.

[Ozyhibby]

You’ve been banging on for months about the imminent collapse of the Russian economy. Yet here we are and nothing has really changed. The Russians will keep going as long as they can still man the machine. A long way to go before that well dries up.

I believe the European economy can outlast the Russian one, yes. Russian interest rates are at 21% just now. That’s not a sign of rude health.
Ukraine has two choices, surrender or fight. Not really a choice at all.


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[tamig]

I believe the European economy can outlast the Russian one, yes. Russian interest rates are at 21% just now. That’s not a sign of rude health.
Ukraine has two choices, surrender or fight. Not really a choice at all.


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I never said their economy wasn’t in a dire state - there’s no doubt about that. But its been deteriorating for a while - and still they fight. I don’t see it being a factor in the war ending any time soon due to it though.

Heartbreaking seeing Zelensky ambushed by these two gangsters today. Vance is an absolute snake. Great to see the European responses tonight. Time for swift action now.

[Jim44]

Just watched a fuller version of the meeting …….. incredulously, it started off with one of the assembled Mafia thugs berating Zelensky for not wearing a suit, saying he was being disrespectful. I’ve never felt so much anger and hatred for Trump’s circus and am saddened that a convicted criminal, proud and unashamed misogynist and sexual predator can turn world peace on it’s head. Jeremy Bowen on the BBC news even suggested that the whole thing, from start to finish, might have been stage managed to undermine Zelensky and send a message of support to Putin.

[Smartie]

I never said their economy wasn’t in a dire state - there’s no doubt about that. But its been deteriorating for a while - and still they fight. I don’t see it being a factor in the war ending any time soon due to it though.

Heartbreaking seeing Zelensky ambushed by these two gangsters today. Vance is an absolute snake. Great to see the European responses tonight. Time for swift action now.

There’s a phrase along the lines of “slowly, slowly… then all at once”.

For a very long time now there has been nothing but bad news for the Russian economy and it’s only been propped up by ever more desperate measures.

The only hope for the Russian economy is Trump.

And re war finance… as the American door closes, keep a wee eye out for an incredibly significant Norwegian one opening.

Europe need to keep stepping up, which of late they have been doing.

[tamig]

There’s a phrase along the lines of “slowly, slowly… then all at once”.

For a very long time now there has been nothing but bad news for the Russian economy and it’s only been propped up by ever more desperate measures.

The only hope for the Russian economy is Trump.

And re war finance… as the American door closes, keep a wee eye out for an incredibly significant Norwegian one opening.

Europe need to keep stepping up, which of late they have been doing.

Thats interesting re your Norwegian comment. Lets see what comes 👍

[s.a.m]

Just watched a fuller version of the meeting …….. incredulously, it started off with one of the assembled Mafia thugs berating Zelensky for not wearing a suit, saying he was being disrespectful. I’ve never felt so much anger and hatred for Trump’s circus and am saddened that a convicted criminal, proud and unashamed misogynist and sexual predator can turn world peace on it’s head. Jeremy Bowen on the BBC news even suggested that the whole thing, from start to finish, might have been stage managed to undermine Zelensky and send a message of support to Putin.

Wonder if he ever asked Musk that? Logo tshirt, baseballcap and shades.

[cabbageandribs1875]

didn't expect this from alastair campbell, but well said (1) Mike H on X: "@campbellclaret You didn’t hold back on #c4news did you? #vileVance https://t.co/nOSm4oIYM4" / X (https://x.com/mikoh123/status/1895565533732618423) and absolutely spot on description for vance

[cabbageandribs1875]

Zelensky was asked to leave the white house & a planned news conference abruptly cancelled

shame on Trump, shame on him

putin will be rolling about on the floor pizzing himself laughing

[Stevie Reid]

Just watched a fuller version of the meeting …….. incredulously, it started off with one of the assembled Mafia thugs berating Zelensky for not wearing a suit, saying he was being disrespectful. I’ve never felt so much anger and hatred for Trump’s circus and am saddened that a convicted criminal, proud and unashamed misogynist and sexual predator can turn world peace on it’s head. Jeremy Bowen on the BBC news even suggested that the whole thing, from start to finish, might have been stage managed to undermine Zelensky and send a message of support to Putin.

The “journalist” who had a go at Zelenskyy is Marjorie Taylor Greene’s boyfriend.

[ddoc]

Just watched a fuller version of the meeting …….. incredulously, it started off with one of the assembled Mafia thugs berating Zelensky for not wearing a suit, saying he was being disrespectful. I’ve never felt so much anger and hatred for Trump’s circus and am saddened that a convicted criminal, proud and unashamed misogynist and sexual predator can turn world peace on its head. Jeremy Bowen on the BBC news even suggested that the whole thing, from start to finish, might have been stage managed to undermine Zelensky and send a message of support to Putin.

I fully agree with you. This was a planned stage managed ambush to put him in an untenable position.
Zelensky had little option but to respond as he did, otherwise he would have come over as weak and give the impression to the watching world that he was going to give in to whatever Trump demanded.
It would likely not be the case when they got behind closed doors, but first impressions are vital to Trump and his thugs and he wants pay back big time.

[grunt]

Just watched a fuller version of the meeting …….. incredulously, it started off with one of the assembled Mafia thugs berating Zelensky for not wearing a suit, saying he was being disrespectful. I’ve never felt so much anger and hatred for Trump’s circus and am saddened that a convicted criminal, proud and unashamed misogynist and sexual predator can turn world peace on it’s head. Jeremy Bowen on the BBC news even suggested that the whole thing, from start to finish, might have been stage managed to undermine Zelensky and send a message of support to Putin.
MTG's boyfriend.