(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[Smartie]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/15/donald-trump-immigrant-failed-integrate

Well, now he's started talking in this fashion we might as well all do it.

[Future17]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/15/donald-trump-immigrant-failed-integrate

Well, now he's started talking in this fashion we might as well all do it.

It'll be interesting to see if the part about uniting opposition proves to be accurate. At the moment, most people, most who have spoken out agree his tweet was wrong, but don't always agree as to why.

[Bostonhibby]

Trump's grandparents were from Germany.
His mum was from Scotland
Two of his three wives have been Eastern European
Four out of five of his children have a non-American, immigrant parent.

The people he is telling to go back to their own countries are equally as, if not more, American than him and pretty much his entire family. The only difference is the colour of their skin.

He is a despicable human being.Absolutely right, except the skin colour bit. There's no other species I've seen that looks like this sub species with his jaffa orange that's had botox appearance

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[Haymaker]

I honestly don’t think he goes without a fight even if he loses in 2020.


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This.

[Fife-Hibee]

I think Trump has posted racist tweets, but I don't think this is one.

What makes you think this is racist?

Can't let "THEM" into our country, it's too crowded.

Who is "them"? Blacks? non-christians? Anybody who dare criticize America? He gets away with tweeting things that no regular poster on twitter would. Why should he be given special privileges?

[Smartie]

Can't let "THEM" into our country, it's too crowded.

Who is "them"? Blacks? non-christians? Anybody who dare criticize America? He gets away with tweeting things that no regular poster on twitter would. Why should he be given special privileges?

I totally agree.

His most recent tweets are undeniably offensive and racist and he should be kicked off twitter, the same as anybody else would be.

I don't know why they don't do it. It wouldn't be a bad bit of publicity if they kicked the most powerful man in the world off their platform, a platform whose credibility is significantly less when there is an inconsistent approach to the tolerance of offensive language.

[Future17]

Can't let "THEM" into our country, it's too crowded.

Who is "them"? Blacks? non-christians? Anybody who dare criticize America? He gets away with tweeting things that no regular poster on twitter would. Why should he be given special privileges?

I may be wrong, but I thought that particular tweet was in response to a call to allow undocumented migrants, currently in detention centres, into the USA. Accordingly, the "them" was referring to undocumented migrants.

Even if it wasn't, however, I'm still not following the logic that that makes it racist. I can't help but feel false assertions of racism can dilute the impact of genuine occurrences for some people.

I also think banning Trump from Twitter would play into his hands to some extent. It's the responsibility of rational and reasonable people to debate people like Trump in the open and win the argument.

[Hibrandenburg]

His latest outburst follows his method of operation perfectly. He says something that no right minded person can find acceptable and it confirms to them that he's mad. But there's method in his madness, there's nothing he can do to persuade non racists and ethnic minorities to support him, but he sure as hell can solidify his fan base who lap this kind of talk up. If he loses the next election he's going to jail and like every other megalomaniac before him he'd rather see everything else crash and burn with him than be brought to justice.

[Fife-Hibee]

I may be wrong, but I thought that particular tweet was in response to a call to allow undocumented migrants, currently in detention centres, into the USA. Accordingly, the "them" was referring to undocumented migrants.

Even if it wasn't, however, I'm still not following the logic that that makes it racist. I can't help but feel false assertions of racism can dilute the impact of genuine occurrences for some people.

I also think banning Trump from Twitter would play into his hands to some extent. It's the responsibility of rational and reasonable people to debate people like Trump in the open and win the argument.

It doesn't matter though, does it? The very fact that Trump became president and is still held in such high regard by his followers shows that rational, reasonable people are losing the battle. Thinking has become a thing of the past. It's much easier to follow the braindead rhetoeric of the far-right.


His latest outburst follows his method of operation perfectly. He says something that no right minded person can find acceptable and it confirms to them that he's mad. But there's method in his madness, there's nothing he can do to persuade non racists and ethnic minorities to support him, but he sure as hell can solidify his fan base who lap this kind of talk up. If he loses the next election he's going to jail and like every other megalomaniac before him he'd rather see everything else crash and burn with him than be brought to justice.

Not a chance will he ever be made to step foot in a jail cell. The closest he's ever been and ever will be to a jail cell are those childrens detention camps he visits. He has too much money and creates too many jobs to be treated equally by the legal system.

[Smartie]

I may be wrong, but I thought that particular tweet was in response to a call to allow undocumented migrants, currently in detention centres, into the USA. Accordingly, the "them" was referring to undocumented migrants.

Even if it wasn't, however, I'm still not following the logic that that makes it racist. I can't help but feel false assertions of racism can dilute the impact of genuine occurrences for some people.

I also think banning Trump from Twitter would play into his hands to some extent. It's the responsibility of rational and reasonable people to debate people like Trump in the open and win the argument.

There are always lines that need to be drawn between what is acceptable and what is unacceptable, they need to be clear and unambiguous.

If you don't accept certain types of message from the likes of Britain First, you can't accept it from the president of the USA.

Accepting it from the president empowers the racists all around the world who might ask, with some justification, why their messages are not allowed and his are.

[lapsedhibee]

I honestly don’t think he goes without a fight even if he loses in 2020.

He has unfinished business.
Buses in Montgomery aren't segregated yet.

[Fife-Hibee]

Even if he loses the 2020 elections (which i'm terrified to say he probably won't). Him and his millions upon millions of cultists won't lay down and accept it. They'll become violent very quickly and will look to overthrow the democratic system using any force necessary.

I personally don't mind America tearing itself apart. Anybody that knows me knows that I hold out no love for that nation and it's international antics. I just hope the better half wins in the end and the country can reform itself.

[Fife-Hibee]

"If you don't like it here, then leave."


https://twitter.com/SpillerOfTea/status/1150843585979457539

[Hibrandenburg]

It doesn't matter though, does it? The very fact that Trump became president and is still held in such high regard by his followers shows that rational, reasonable people are losing the battle. Thinking has become a thing of the past. It's much easier to follow the braindead rhetoeric of the far-right.



Not a chance will he ever be made to step foot in a jail cell. The closest he's ever been and ever will be to a jail cell are those childrens detention camps he visits. He has too much money and creates too many jobs to be treated equally by the legal system.

Time will tell, but I fully expect to see him wearing a suit the colour of which will match his face.

[marinello59]

"If you don't like it here, then leave."


https://twitter.com/SpillerOfTea/status/1150843585979457539

I’ve said he was a Fascist since the day he was elected. Let’s just keep calling him that.

[Fife-Hibee]

Time will tell, but I fully expect to see him wearing a suit the colour of which will match his face.

I'd love to believe that. But Trump already had too much influence and power to face jail before he became president. I can't see him facing jail after it's over either. If it means thousands of jobs at risk, corporate America will step in and ensure it doesn't happen.

[Future17]

It doesn't matter though, does it? The very fact that Trump became president and is still held in such high regard by his followers shows that rational, reasonable people are losing the battle. Thinking has become a thing of the past. It's much easier to follow the braindead rhetoeric of the far-right.

Of course it matters. There are people who will not be dissuaded from voting for Trump, there are people who will never be persuaded to vote for him and there are those who could be persuaded either way. It's up to the rational, reasonable people to make the arguments which will persuade the persuadable.


There are always lines that need to be drawn between what is acceptable and what is unacceptable, they need to be clear and unambiguous.

If you don't accept certain types of message from the likes of Britain First, you can't accept it from the president of the USA.

Accepting it from the president empowers the racists all around the world who might ask, with some justification, why their messages are not allowed and his are.

It's a good point and I agree in principle. I just wonder, in this specific situation, what the lesser evil is.

[CloudSquall]

To play devil's advocate, will the average working American that doesn't use Twitter care that much?


Stock market regularly making new highs which bumps up the 401k value, economic growth that Europe could only dream of currently, positive jobs numbers month after month.

If I'm a working man in the US with a mortgage to pay, college and retirement to save for, I'm Trump 2020.

[Future17]

To play devil's advocate, will the average working American that doesn't use Twitter care that much?


Stock market regularly making new highs which bumps up the 401k value, economic growth that Europe could only dream of currently, positive jobs numbers month after month.

If I'm a working man in the US with a mortgage to pay, college and retirement to save for, I'm Trump 2020.

I can't judge that, but I can say the story has been all over the US news since the initial tweets.

[Ozyhibby]

To play devil's advocate, will the average working American that doesn't use Twitter care that much?


Stock market regularly making new highs which bumps up the 401k value, economic growth that Europe could only dream of currently, positive jobs numbers month after month.

If I'm a working man in the US with a mortgage to pay, college and retirement to save for, I'm Trump 2020.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190716/ee48edcfcefbb0b147427b2e2b0f8322.jpg
The current stock market run began under Obama. Besides, you don’t need a racist in charge for prosperity.



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[JeMeSouviens]

His chance of re-election is not great. He doesn't get to run against Hillary (not liked much by Dems, loathed by Republicans) this time. Even against Hillary he was a couple of million behind on the popular vote and squeaked through thanks to narrow wins in the rust belt states. Either Biden or Sanders will kill him there.

[Fife-Hibee]

Of course it matters. There are people who will not be dissuaded from voting for Trump, there are people who will never be persuaded to vote for him and there are those who could be persuaded either way. It's up to the rational, reasonable people to make the arguments which will persuade the persuadable.

Do you honestly think rational, reasonable people voted for Trump the first time?

What makes you think they're going to be anymore rational or reasonable next time?

[JeMeSouviens]

Can't find a chart, but the numbers are pretty clear:

Trump v Sanders (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-6250.html#polls)
Trump v Biden (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html#polls)

[Future17]

Do you honestly think rational, reasonable people voted for Trump the first time?

What makes you think they're going to be anymore rational or reasonable next time?

You must have misread my post as I didn't say rational and reasonable people voted for Trump the first time.

FWIW, I have no idea whether they did or not. It is, however, dangerous and unproductive to assume anyone who disagrees with your opinion is irrational and/or unreasonable.

[danhibees1875]

You must have misread my post as I didn't say rational and reasonable people voted for Trump the first time.

FWIW, I have no idea whether they did or not. It is, however, dangerous and unproductive to assume anyone who disagrees with your opinion is irrational and/or unreasonable.

I won't pretend to know the numbers involved in the vote or how widespread this opinion was but to add to your point... The only person I know who lived in the US at the time worked in an office full of people who claimed to dislike both candidates and simply weren't going to vote.

That would have an impact if it's a commonly held view.

[Future17]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49035505

Chilling, worrying and a little heart breaking.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Uh oh, British flagged tanker seized by the Iranians in the strait.

[Hibernia&Alba]

That rally the other day, in which his supporters were chanting "send them back" in reference to four black U.S. Congresswomen (three were born in the USA) was deeply disturbing. It was like a Nazi rally. His base consists of unreconstructed racists and the hard right wing of the Republican Party. Whilst many of his voters in swing states voted on other issue issues, such as their anger at growing inequality and loss of manufacturing jobs, his core support is nativist and bigoted. Those are the people who not only don't mind Trump's racist rhetoric and policies but who actually welcome them, and they will support Trump no matter what. There is nothing he can say about ethnic minorities that will ever offend them.

[lapsedhibee]

That rally the other day, in which his supporters were chanting "send them back" in reference to four black U.S. Congresswomen (three were born in the USA) was deeply disturbing. It was like a Nazi rally. His base consists of unreconstructed racists and the hard right wing of the Republican Party. Whilst many of his voters in swing states voted on other issue issues, such as their anger at growing inequality and loss of manufacturing jobs, his core support is nativist and bigoted. Those are the people who not only don't mind Trump's racist rhetoric and policies but who actually welcome them, and they will support Trump no matter what. There is nothing he can say about ethnic minorities say that will ever offend them.

:agree: except that they were only chanting for one of the four to be sent back (the one with the darkest skin).

[Hibernia&Alba]

:agree: except that they were only chanting for one of the four to be sent back (the one with the darkest skin).

Yes, you're right. It was Trump's tweet prior to the rally which suggested all four should 'go back where they came from', even though three were born in the USA and the other is an American citizen.

[Future17]

That rally the other day, in which his supporters were chanting "send them back" in reference to four black U.S. Congresswomen (three were born in the USA) was deeply disturbing. It was like a Nazi rally. His base consists of unreconstructed racists and the hard right wing of the Republican Party. Whilst many of his voters in swing states voted on other issue issues, such as their anger at growing inequality and loss of manufacturing jobs, his core support is nativist and bigoted. Those are the people who not only don't mind Trump's racist rhetoric and policies but who actually welcome them, and they will support Trump no matter what. There is nothing he can say about ethnic minorities that will ever offend them.

It's an aside to your point, but not all four congresswomen are black. They are all from different ethnic backgrounds.

[theonlywayisup]

Trump and Boris - unbelievable.

The world has had some inspirational leaders but now we have these jokers :grr:

[Fife-Hibee]

Trump: "Boris Johnson is what they want. They call him the British Trump. They like me over there."

[Hibrandenburg]

Trump and Boris - unbelievable.

The world has had some inspirational leaders but now we have these jokers :grr:

You're forgetting Nigel, Trump just flirting with him at a US rally. Embarrassing.

[Fife-Hibee]

US just one step away from public floggings.

[southsider]

US just one step away from public floggings.

Still have the death penalty alongside such forward thinking nations such as India, Pakistan Afghanistan, China & Iran. Coming to your city centre soon thru Priti Patel.

[Fife-Hibee]

Still have the death penalty alongside such forward thinking nations such as India, Pakistan Afghanistan, China & Iran. Coming to your city centre soon thru Priti Patel.

You forgot their commander in chief, Saudi Arabia.

[Future17]

Trump threatening to raise tariffs on French wine:

Asked about the issue in the Oval Office later, Mr Trump, who is teetotal, said: "I've always liked American wines better than French wines. Even though I don't drink wine. I just like the way they look."

[lapsedhibee]

Trump threatening to raise tariffs on French wine:

Asked about the issue in the Oval Office later, Mr Trump, who is teetotal, said: "I've always liked American wines better than French wines. Even though I don't drink wine. I just like the way they look."

Quite impressed with that statement TBH.

He's grasped that the adjective meaning from France is 'French'. A nicety which he didn't manage the other day when describing Bojoke as 'the Britain Trump'.

[Jack Hackett]

Trump threatening to raise tariffs on French wine:

Asked about the issue in the Oval Office later, Mr Trump, who is teetotal, said: "I've always liked American wines better than French wines. Even though I don't drink wine. I just like the way they look."

:faf:

[Hibernia&Alba]

Random atendee at a Trump rally


https://youtu.be/Qla-NqyEgg8

[lapsedhibee]

Random atendee at a Trump rally


https://youtu.be/Qla-NqyEgg8

US TV is sometimes like Open All Mics, but without the intellectual depth.

[theonlywayisup]

The man is clearly bonkers!

He's called of a state visit to Denmark reportedly because "based on Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen's comments, that she would have no interest in discussing the purchase of Greenland, I will be postponing our meeting scheduled in two weeks for another time".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49416740

[Bostonhibby]

The man is clearly bonkers!

He's called of a state visit to Denmark reportedly because "based on Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen's comments, that she would have no interest in discussing the purchase of Greenland, I will be postponing our meeting scheduled in two weeks for another time".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49416740He just needs distracted from Greenland for a bit.

I've heard that amongst the countless valuable minerals in Beigeland there's priceless dust particles that make orange hair look more natural. The country's probably for sale so if he can find it he'll surely offer them one of his super fantastic deals.

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[Colr]

The man is clearly bonkers!

He's called of a state visit to Denmark reportedly because "based on Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen's comments, that she would have no interest in discussing the purchase of Greenland, I will be postponing our meeting scheduled in two weeks for another time".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49416740
Could we offer to sell him Northern Ireland and make the border his problem.

He’s stupid enough to go for it.

[lapsedhibee]

Could we offer to sell him Northern Ireland and make the border his problem.

He’s stupid enough to go for it.

He's been recorded on camera recommending a big wall to Varadkar to solve the border problem. ****wit. Leo hardly knew where to look.

[Hibernia&Alba]

He's been recorded on camera recommending a big wall to Varadkar to solve the border problem. ****wit. Leo hardly knew where to look.

I see he's cancelled a meeting with the Danish PM because the Danes refused to sell Greenland :faf:

[Saturday Boy]

I see he's cancelled a meeting with the Danish PM because the Danes refused to sell Greenland :faf:

In more positive news, he’s taking away the the time limits on how long they can keep immigrant children in cages.

I can’t believe that people will still visit USA on holiday.

But, but Disneyland doesn’t cut it for me.

[Killiehibbie]

He just needs distracted from Greenland for a bit.

I've heard that amongst the countless valuable minerals in Beigeland there's priceless dust particles that make orange hair look more natural. The country's probably for sale so if he can find it he'll surely offer them one of his super fantastic deals.

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Has anybody told him it's not very green?
Or does he have an eye on the future?

[Bostonhibby]

Has anybody told him it's not very green?
Or does he have an eye on the future?Hot off the press[emoji6]

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/i-dont-even-want-greenland-any-more-pouts-trump-while-playing-with-toy-greenland-20190822188429

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[Hibernia&Alba]

He is totally bonkers, in case you didn't know


https://youtu.be/LaMxO9Dp9u4

[Hibernia&Alba]

And the experts agree


https://youtu.be/0B4nS1-ScYw

[Bostonhibby]

There's a counter bid coming in.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190823/d14f98c97c4f6499030df3ffe2dd5de1.jpg

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[Jim44]

The tragic thing is that, as Trump’s sociopathic illness develops to a scale where he will be impeached or an election is declared, he has millions of right wing extremist followers who will defend his insane values. I see this ending in tears with gross civil unrest and a state of national emergency.

[Just Alf]

If he cant nuke a country how about a hurricane!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49471093

[Pretty Boy]

The Greenland story and the nuking a hurricane stuff has me convinced his Presidency is just one giant trolling exercise gone a bit too far.

No one is that stupid.

[DaveF]

I watched his G7 press conference earlier as each time I see him it just reminds me how utterly crazy half of America must be to elect such an out and out imbecile.

[lapsedhibee]

I watched his G7 press conference earlier as each time I see him it just reminds me how utterly crazy half of America must be to elect such an out and out imbecile.

He can't have even known who Johnson was 6 years ago, can he? :crazy:

[Hibernia&Alba]

It looks like the American economy is on the brink of recession, so be prepared to see Trump trying to win re-election by reverting to racism more than ever. It's going to be all he has left during the 2020 campaign; it's the only thing that will energise his core vote. It's going to get extremely unpleasant, and I don't think we've seen the worst of his character yet. He will do/say anything that will help him win.

[Colr]

The Greenland story and the nuking a hurricane stuff has me convinced his Presidency is just one giant trolling exercise gone a bit too far.

No one is that stupid.

Distracted everyone from his links to Epstein, though. Didn’t it?

[Hibrandenburg]

Arnold gets him telt.

https://youtu.be/8ZhaiA237e8

[Hibernia&Alba]

A true Christian man, head of a state of a great Christian country. Amen.


https://youtu.be/yUmghy5CW7Y

[1 8 7 5]

A true Christian man, head of a state of a great Christian country. Amen.


https://youtu.be/yUmghy5CW7Y

Its not a Christian country.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Its not a Christian country.

Of course it is. Earlier this year Pennsylvania elected its first ever Muslim to its legislature. Well, a Republican put her right back in her box, reminding her who is top dug in the land of the free. She's a true follower of Christ....who makes sure the pesky Muslim knows America loves Israel.


https://youtu.be/1ZAnOTR-gM4

[Moulin Yarns]

Slovenia erected a statue to the Donald


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49514462

[1 8 7 5]

Of course it is. Earlier this year Pennsylvania elected its first ever Muslim to its legislature. Well, a Republican put her right back in her box, reminding her who is top dug in the land of the free. She's a true follower of Christ....who makes sure the pesky Muslim knows America loves Israel.


https://youtu.be/1ZAnOTR-gM4

It really isnt. Its a secular democracy.

[Hibernia&Alba]

At least Trump has sacked that neo-con lunatic John Bolton as National Security Advisor. That's good news.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It really isnt. Its a secular democracy.I


I was joking mate; well half joking, as, although the USA constitutionally has separation of church and state, it is a very religious society. The Republican Party in particular relies upon millions of evangelical Christians in its voter base. The religious right has taken over the Republicans, hence we see the mass movement to criminalise abortion and roll back gay rights legislation. Not a religious state, but a very religious country.

[1 8 7 5]

I


I was joking mate; well half joking, as, although the USA constitutionally has separation of church and state, it is a very religious society. The Republican Party in particular relies upon millions of evangelical Christians in its voter base. The religious right has taken over the Republicans, hence we see the mass movement to criminalise abortion and roll back gay rights legislation. Not a religious state, but a very religious country.

My 1st HIbs.net whoosh moment.:love ya!: We are bonded bros forever now:greengrin

you saw my point was constitutional :aok: (rather e.g political parties / bible belt)..... Cant disagree re Rep party comments. Huge hispanic community too in US... but not really sure US is "very" religious. Theres 350,000,000 of them. Wonder how many actually worship their gods in reality! Fundamentalists of religions do appear to make the most noise though, so I definately can see where people get the feeling that it is very religious.

[Fife-Hibee]

I wonder if Christian Conservatives have ever actually read the bible?

[theonlywayisup]

Hadn't realised that Trump was a Democrat at various stages in his past.

Democrat until 1987
Republican 1987–1999
Reform 1999-2001
Democrat 2001-2009
Republican 2009–2011
Independent 2011-2012
Republican 2012–present

What does that tell us about the man?

[RyeSloan]

Trump lurching from one storm (in some cases quite literally) to another.

Now a claim he has made a completely inappropriate promise to a foreign leader that is a flagrant violation of the law.

Seemingly quite without irony Trump tweeted this in his defence (along side the tired old fake news blurb):

In his tweet Mr Trump wrote "is anybody dumb enough to believe that I would say something inappropriate with a foreign leader".

I mean WTF!?! [emoji33][emoji23]

[Ozyhibby]

Hadn't realised that Trump was a Democrat at various stages in his past.

Democrat until 1987
Republican 1987–1999
Reform 1999-2001
Democrat 2001-2009
Republican 2009–2011
Independent 2011-2012
Republican 2012–present

What does that tell us about the man?

Do those dates tie in with who was in charge of NY at those times?


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[Fife-Hibee]

Hadn't realised that Trump was a Democrat at various stages in his past.

Democrat until 1987
Republican 1987–1999
Reform 1999-2001
Democrat 2001-2009
Republican 2009–2011
Independent 2011-2012
Republican 2012–present

What does that tell us about the man?

It tells us that US politics is much like UK politics where opportunism reigns. Where those who are able to worm their way to the top, do so from switching their positions and views whenever it suits their personal career to do so.

[southsider]

It tells us that US politics is much like UK politics where opportunism reigns. Where those who are able to worm their way to the top, do so from switching their positions and views whenever it suits their personal career to do so.
His latest ploy is to try and make fun of the wee eco lass that spoke so well at G7. She has more integrity in her little finger then he has in his whole body.

[Jim44]

His latest ploy is to try and make fun of the wee eco lass that spoke so well at G7. She has more integrity in her little finger then he has in his whole body.

What did the muppet say? I remember him saying that Global warming was rubbish and ‘fake news’. :ostrich:

[Hibernia&Alba]

What did the muppet say? I remember him saying that Global warming was rubbish and ‘fake news’. :ostrich:

I read last night that he called her a Nazi. Yes, a sixteen year old lassie who is trying to raise awareness on a fundamental issue.

Man made climate change denial is the policy of the Republican Party, which I think is unique amongst all major political parties in the world. That's how far out they are.

[Jim44]

I read last night that he called her a Nazi. Yes, a sixteen year old lassie who is trying to raise awareness on a fundamental issue.

Man made climate change denial is the policy of the Republican Party, which I think is unique amongst all major political parties in the world. That's how far out they are.

Wow. Is it really the policy of the RP? I thought it was a product of his ignorance and megalomania. :bitchy:

[southsider]

Wow. Is it really the policy of the RP? I thought it was a product of his ignorance and megalomania. :bitchy:

More like run along little girl you have a bright future ahead of you. She gave him such a look full of scorn. One of his pals on Fox News called her mentally ill. Disgrace.

[Callum_62]

Impeachment proceedings expected to be officially announced today

Popcorn time

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[Fife-Hibee]

Wow. Is it really the policy of the RP? I thought it was a product of his ignorance and megalomania. :bitchy:

The policy of the republican party has always been profits before the health of people. You don't have to look too far back to when they actively promoted the tobacco industry. They'll back anything they have share interests in, even if it kills people. Guns, climate damaging sources of energy, even politically motivated democide.

[Ozyhibby]

Impeachment process has begun.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Breaking: Speaker @nancypelosi has announced the launching of a process to #impeach @realDonaldTrump over allegations that he pressured the Ukrainian President to investigate his potential presidential rival Joe Biden in return for military aid. No one’s above law she says

[Hibbyradge]

He says he's going to release the full transcript of his conversations so they better have something concrete on him or they'll be handing him the next 4 years on a plate.

But, I guess, Pelosi knows this. 🤞

[NAE NOOKIE]

His latest ploy is to try and make fun of the wee eco lass that spoke so well at G7. She has more integrity in her little finger then he has in his whole body.

Not to mention more brain cells.

[cabbageandribs1875]

what's the odds this backfires on pelosi, and the democrats that forced her hand

[Hibbyradge]

what's the odds this backfires on pelosi, and the democrats that forced her hand

It might, but I think by Trump's reaction, they're close.

It's only at investigation stage. That can run for a while yet.

[Mibbes Aye]

He says he's going to release the full transcript of his conversations so they better have something concrete on him or they'll be handing him the next 4 years on a plate.

But, I guess, Pelosi knows this. 🤞

It is hard to think Pelosi would have gambled is she wasn’t certain

Nevertheless I go back to a post a good few months back, I think his biggest risk is the Southern District New York Attorney’s office who are looking at him for electoral funding fraud. If the evidence is there they will find it, I’m fairly confident about that.

[Hibbyradge]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49830588

It would be interesting to see the full transcript, not just the bits Trump has released.

[Hibbyradge]

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/trump-spends-ten-minutes-with-johnson-and-is-in-deep-sht-already-20190925189317

:faf:

[Callum_62]

The "transcript" released by the Whitehouse is already dodgy enough, nevermind the full unredacted version

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[Ozyhibby]

Full whistleblowers complaint.
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf


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[Slavers]

Maybe this bogus impeachment investigation is being used to distract from the Democrats involvement with the coup in Ukraine during the Obama years.

That American democrat administration were arming Neo Nazi groups in Ukraine and helping to start a war in the east of the country.

I suspect this is the real reason for trying to impeach Trump yet again after the bogus Mulluer Russia gate report.

Trump won't be impeached.

[Callum_62]

Maybe this bogus impeachment investigation is being used to distract from the Democrats involvement with the coup in Ukraine during the Obama years.

That American democrat administration were arming Neo Nazi groups in Ukraine and helping to start a war in the east of the country.

I suspect this is the real reason for trying to impeach Trump yet again after the bogus Mulluer Russia gate report.

Trump won't be impeached.Thanks Donald.

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[Slavers]

Thanks Donald.

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Carry on being led down the garden path with all this impeach Trump hype.

I guess you believed russiagate too?

[Callum_62]

Carry on being led down the garden path with all this impeach Trump hype.

I guess you believed russiagate too?The notes the white House released already look iffy at best..... Nevermind what's to come

Did the Mueller report exonerate Trump?

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[Slavers]

The notes the white House released already look iffy at best..... Nevermind what's to come

Did the Mueller report exonerate Trump?

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Heard it all before with Russiagate.

Nothing will come out that will impeach Trump.

Do you have any thoughts on the Democrats involvement in the war in Ukraine and arming Neo Nazi groups?

Or is it just a desperation to hav trump removed from office?

[Callum_62]

Heard it all before with Russiagate.

Nothing will come out that will impeach Trump.

Do you have any thoughts on the Democrats involvement in the war in Ukraine and arming Neo Nazi groups?

Or is it just a desperation to hav trump removed from office?So the bogus Mueller report did exonerate Trump then?

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[Slavers]

So the bogus Mueller report did exonerate Trump then?

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Yes it did the report was bogus.

What do you think he was guilty off?

Now what's your thoughts on the Obama administration has being involved in the coup in Ukraine, arming Neo Nazi groups and starting a war in the east of Ukraine?

[Bristolhibby]

And while we are at it the Spanish American War of 1899 in Cuba?
The Panama Canal
Honduras
Nicaragua
The Dominican Republic
Haiti
Guatemala
Brazil
Vietnam

To quote decorated USMC General Smedley Butler -

“ I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer; a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”

America has been protecting her “interests” for over a century. Why change anything now?

J

[DetroitHibs]

Carry on being led down the garden path with all this impeach Trump hype.

I guess you believed russiagate too?

This impeachment BS is them clutching at straw's as Trump is a NAP to get a second term. They know he's a certainty to be re-elected.

[RyeSloan]

Maybe this bogus impeachment investigation is being used to distract from the Democrats involvement with the coup in Ukraine during the Obama years.

That American democrat administration were arming Neo Nazi groups in Ukraine and helping to start a war in the east of the country.

I suspect this is the real reason for trying to impeach Trump yet again after the bogus Mulluer Russia gate report.

Trump won't be impeached.

Oh a fine case study on Whatabootery there!

Donald is of course a master at it so your master would be pleased [emoji2957]

Tis a bit weird tho you accusing Obama of such nefarious actions when Trump himself has been lambasting Obama for only sending pillows and sheets. A comment that, in classic Trump manner, was probably mis quoted from the McCain comments in 2015 regarding Obama only sending blankets and meals.

So we have the whole gambit from Obama only sending blankets and doing nothing to stop the fighting to him arming Neo Nazis and causing the fighting.

Which is great as you can then pick anyone you want at any time you need it and get out the big whatabootery cannon to shoot down anything that dares to challenge Trumps actions there!

[CloudSquall]

https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1177272008507363328

Joe Biden's son (no expertise in oil or gas or Ukraine) paid 60k a month by Ukraine's largest natural gas produce as an absentee non-executive director.



Knee deep in the...

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1177272008507363328

Joe Biden's son (no expertise in oil or gas or Ukraine) paid 60k a month by Ukraine's largest natural gas produce as an absentee non-executive director.



Knee deep in the...Possibly, but one being dirty does nothing to clean the other one

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1177272008507363328

Joe Biden's son (no expertise in oil or gas or Ukraine) paid 60k a month by Ukraine's largest natural gas produce as an absentee non-executive director.



Knee deep in the...

Possibly. Doesn’t make it alright for Trump to invite a foreign govt to get involved in the 2020 election.
Trump has committed a crime and will be impeached by the house. Up to the republicans in the senate if they want to tarnish their party by turning a blind eye.


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[Mantis Toboggan]

Yes it did the report was bogus.

What do you think he was guilty off?

Now what's your thoughts on the Obama administration has being involved in the coup in Ukraine, arming Neo Nazi groups and starting a war in the east of Ukraine?

You remain the absolute master of bull**** on this forum

[Just_Jimmy]

Maybe this bogus impeachment investigation is being used to distract from the Democrats involvement with the coup in Ukraine during the Obama years.

That American democrat administration were arming Neo Nazi groups in Ukraine and helping to start a war in the east of the country.

I suspect this is the real reason for trying to impeach Trump yet again after the bogus Mulluer Russia gate report.

Trump won't be impeached.If ever a username was apt.

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[Rocky]

https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1177272008507363328

Joe Biden's son (no expertise in oil or gas or Ukraine) paid 60k a month by Ukraine's largest natural gas produce as an absentee non-executive director.



Knee deep in the...
No source quoted. As per

[RyeSloan]

No source quoted. As per

It’s a matter of record that Hunter Biden was paid c$50k per month as non exec of the company. It’s also reasonably common for non execs not to have direct knowledge of the industry the company of the board they have joined partakes in. Esp. As in this case the role was explicitly stated as supporting the corporate governance and transparency of the companies policies.

The matter is however that there has been no proven evidence of any conflict of interest or any criminal activity that arose out of that position and Joe Biden’s role as VP.

That doesn’t mean there wasn’t of course but there has been many a probe and many investigations, none of which has evidenced the accusations levelled by Trump and co.

A reasonable summary can be found here:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-09-25/here-s-what-we-know-about-joe-and-hunter-biden-in-ukraine




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[Future17]

This impeachment BS is them clutching at straw's as Trump is a NAP to get a second term. They know he's a certainty to be re-elected.

You're probably right about the Dems' main motivation. Doesn't make it BS though.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Maybe this bogus impeachment investigation is being used to distract from the Democrats involvement with the coup in Ukraine during the Obama years.

That American democrat administration were arming Neo Nazi groups in Ukraine and helping to start a war in the east of the country.

I suspect this is the real reason for trying to impeach Trump yet again after the bogus Mulluer Russia gate report.

Trump won't be impeached.

If Trump asked the leader of another country to investigate a domestic political rival, he broke the law. The White House tried to wipe the tape of the conversation, such was their concern. I have no doubt Trump has done far worse things in his life, but as president he isn't above the law.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1177370086182551552?s=19

Leaked documents (so they say). Joseph mifsud has been missing from since last year

[DetroitHibs]

You're probably right about the Dems' main motivation. Doesn't make it BS though.

Yep I agree with that :aok:

[Ozyhibby]

Doesn’t matter whether the Dems want it or not, whether it’s a good idea or not or what their motivation is. All that really matters is that there is evidence the President traded their national security for personal favours. And there is, so it must be done.


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[Tobias Funke]

Carry on being led down the garden path with all this impeach Trump hype.

I guess you believed russiagate too?

Didn’t think it would be long before Hibs.net most mentally ill contributed. You are entertaining if nothing else. Emphasis on the nothing else.

I hate to think how many internet rabbit holes you’ve gone down, your brain must be fkng mince mate.

[Tobias Funke]

Doesn’t matter whether the Dems want it or not, whether it’s a good idea or not or what their motivation is. All that really matters is that there is evidence the President traded their national security for personal favours. And there is, so it must be done.


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It will just be another “deep state” conspiracy. Move along, nothing to see here...

[wpj]

Naga Munchetty has been "almost" cleared of her comments about Trump: BBC News - BBC reverses decision on Naga Munchetty complaint
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49883952
I thought she came across very well and articulated her point with restraint. I am a white male and can only imagine what it feels like to be told to go home when living in a country you are brought up in

[lapsedhibee]

Naga Munchetty has been "almost" cleared of her comments about Trump: BBC News - BBC reverses decision on Naga Munchetty complaint
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49883952
I thought she came across very well and articulated her point with restraint. I am a white male and can only imagine what it feels like to be told to go home when living in a country you are brought up in

Probably bad enough to be told to go back home when living in a country you weren't brought up in ...

[wpj]

Probably bad enough to be told to go back home when living in a country you weren't brought up in ...

True, my comment was based on the fact that three out of the four people Trump was talking about were born and raised in USA. I have no idea of Naga's background but her indignation was real and I thought it was a very dignified response.

[Slavers]

Didn’t think it would be long before Hibs.net most mentally ill contributed. You are entertaining if nothing else. Emphasis on the nothing else.

I hate to think how many internet rabbit holes you’ve gone down, your brain must be fkng mince mate.

I feel your pain Higgo mate.

It must really stick in the craw that you believed the Russiagate hoax and old mentally ill mushy brains here knew it was BS.

:greengrin

[wpj]

Not comfortable with the "mentally ill" comments have a look at the "Depression and Anxiety" thread for clarification.

[Callum_62]

I feel your pain Higgo mate.

It must really stick in the craw that you believed the Russiagate hoax and old mentally ill mushy brains here knew it was BS.

:greengrinIn what way was it a hoax?

How many folk ended up arrested and charged in relation to that investigation?

Think your defination of hoax wildly varies to mine

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[lapsedhibee]

In what way was it a hoax?

How many folk ended up arrested and charged in relation to that investigation?

Think your defination of hoax wildly varies to mine

So what are you saying? That your definition of hoax is different from 'Anything that Trump says is a hoax is a hoax'?

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191001/86676e4be7ad78952a924caaefafc147.jpg
Trump supporters seem like a nice bunch.[emoji23]


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[Future17]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191001/86676e4be7ad78952a924caaefafc147.jpg
Trump supporters seem like a nice bunch.[emoji23]


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It's hard to tell for sure with such a small image, but that photo looks doctored to me. I think the t-shirt logos and the swastika on the big lad's stomach have been added.

[cabbageandribs1875]

It's hard to tell for sure with such a small image, but that photo looks doctored to me. I think the t-shirt logos and the swastika on the big lad's stomach have been added.




:agree: trump would be 100% correct to call this a fake, not even a crease in the writing on the females t-shirt, poor quality photoshop :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

It's hard to tell for sure with such a small image, but that photo looks doctored to me. I think the t-shirt logos and the swastika on the big lad's stomach have been added.

The T-shirt definitely is a fake, but the swastika looks real enough. Nasty bunch nonetheless.

The thing about Trump is that, even if he's impeached, he won't resign. He'd have to be threatened with a real chance of a successful prosecution for him to even start thinking about that.

[Smartie]

It's hard to tell for sure with such a small image, but that photo looks doctored to me. I think the t-shirt logos and the swastika on the big lad's stomach have been added.

The Rangers tops have been edited out as well.

[Ozyhibby]

The T-shirt definitely is a fake, but the swastika looks real enough. Nasty bunch nonetheless.

The thing about Trump is that, even if he's impeached, he won't resign. He'd have to be threatened with a real chance of a successful prosecution for him to even start thinking about that.

A successful impeachment will see him marched out the building. And of course that means the senate voting against him but there are already republicans turning their back on him. The ones defending him on tv the last week have been the more nutty ones. The rest have been keeping their head down. Soon he will become a liability to them and they will vote against him.


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[Hibbyradge]

A successful impeachment will see him marched out the building. And of course that means the senate voting against him but there are already republicans turning their back on him. The ones defending him on tv the last week have been the more nutty ones. The rest have been keeping their head down. Soon he will become a liability to them and they will vote against him.


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I'd like to think that you're right, but I don't see the Senate voting him down anytime soon.

[Future17]

The T-shirt definitely is a fake, but the swastika looks real enough. Nasty bunch nonetheless.

The thing about Trump is that, even if he's impeached, he won't resign. He'd have to be threatened with a real chance of a successful prosecution for him to even start thinking about that.

Nah, the lines on the swastika are too uniformly straight to be tattooed on his, erm, curvaceous physique.

[Hibbyradge]

Nah, the lines on the swastika are too uniformly straight to be tattooed on his, erm, curvaceous physique.

Yeah, you're probably right.

[DetroitHibs]

The left are such a nice bunch too 🙄

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7523521/amp/Canadian-antifascist-demonstrators-block-elderly-womans-path-tries-enter-rally.html

Just imagine the headlines if the right did this to an ethnic minority.

[Ozyhibby]

The left are such a nice bunch too [emoji849]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7523521/amp/Canadian-antifascist-demonstrators-block-elderly-womans-path-tries-enter-rally.html

Just imagine the headlines if the right did this to an ethnic minority.

I clicked thinking it would be something horrendous but it was just some protesters taking things a too far and stopping some old folk attending a nazi rally?


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[Bristolhibby]

The left are such a nice bunch too 🙄

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7523521/amp/Canadian-antifascist-demonstrators-block-elderly-womans-path-tries-enter-rally.html

Just imagine the headlines if the right did this to an ethnic minority.

Does being old give you a free pass when it comes to supporting racist political parties?

I’d be ashamed if that was my Nana.

J

[Smartie]

"Elderly couple blocked from attending far right rally".

Story about the Conservative party conference presumably?

[Hibrandenburg]

The left are such a nice bunch too 🙄

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7523521/amp/Canadian-antifascist-demonstrators-block-elderly-womans-path-tries-enter-rally.html

Just imagine the headlines if the right did this to an ethnic minority.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, fascists and racist choose to hate and actively follow a doctrine of discrimination and supremacy, they deserve everything that they get. You don't choose your skin colour or ethnicity and people who don't or won't understand this are the lifeblood of fascism. I don't care if you're an older or younger fascist, you're still a piece of ****.

[makaveli1875]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, fascists and racist choose to hate and actively follow a doctrine of discrimination and supremacy, they deserve everything that they get. You don't choose your skin colour or ethnicity and people who don't or won't understand this are the lifeblood of fascism. I don't care if you're an older or younger fascist, you're still a piece of ****.

Of all the people in that pic these masked angels could have picked on they go for a 100 year old lady with a zimmer frame. Real heroes these guys

[Hibrandenburg]

Of all the people in that pic these masked angels could have picked on they go for a 100 year old lady with a zimmer frame. Real heroes these guys

Looking at the pic I can only see demonstrators. Should they start demonstrating against themselves? I stand by my opinion, if you support racism, hate and supremacy then you should expect to face criticism.

[makaveli1875]

Looking at the pic I can only see demonstrators. Should they start demonstrating against themselves? I stand by my opinion, if you support racism, hate and supremacy then you should expect to face criticism.

How do you know who's who and how do you know the old lady is any of these isms you decry

[Hibrandenburg]

How do you know who's who and how do you know the old lady is any of these isms you decry

I don't know and never claimed to but going by the photo it certainly looks that way. How do you know that the old lady was being picked on? Because it says so in the Daily Mail?

Edit: I've done a bit of research and it seems she did get some abuse. My first point still stands.

[makaveli1875]

I don't know and never claimed to but going by the photo it certainly looks that way. How do you know that the old lady was being picked on? Because it says so in the Daily Mail?

Edit: I've done a bit of research and it seems she did get some abuse. My first point still stands.

At times you seem quite a level headed guy but you cant seriously think fascism will be defeated by masked hooligans harrasing old ladies in the street , it hurts the cause more than it advances it

[Hibrandenburg]

At times you seem quite a level headed guy but you cant seriously think fascism will be defeated by masked hooligans harrasing old ladies in the street , it hurts the cause more than it advances it

I agree with you.

[Mantis Toboggan]

The left are such a nice bunch too 🙄

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7523521/amp/Canadian-antifascist-demonstrators-block-elderly-womans-path-tries-enter-rally.html

Just imagine the headlines if the right did this to an ethnic minority.


I would hope they would be as negative as the portrayal of 'the left' in the article you linked to. But I wouldn't count on it.

[DetroitHibs]

I would hope they would be as negative as the portrayal of 'the left' in the article you linked to. But I wouldn't count on it.

Both sides are as bad as each other. The extreme right does some horrendous things too. I should have said “extreme left” in my original post. Generally the left and righ don’t behave like that.

[Jack Hackett]

Both sides are as bad as each other. The extreme right does some horrendous things too. I should have said “extreme left” in my original post. Generally the left and righ don’t behave like that.

I'll see your 'some' and raise you 'a hell of a lot of'

[Hibrandenburg]

Both sides are as bad as each other. The extreme right does some horrendous things too. I should have said “extreme left” in my original post. Generally the left and righ don’t behave like that.

Both sides aren't as bad as each other. The extreme right wing are missionaries of a doctrine of racial hatred and supremacy to which no decent thinking human being would sign up to. Being anti fascist is a normal and legitimate position to hold.

[DetroitHibs]

Both sides aren't as bad as each other. The extreme right wing are missionaries of a doctrine of racial hatred and supremacy to which no decent thinking human being would sign up to. Being anti fascist is a normal and legitimate position to hold.

Disagree, both are as bad as each other at this moment in time.

[Ozyhibby]

Disagree, both are as bad as each other at this moment in time.

About 70% of terrorist incidents in the US are committed by right wing extremists.
They are not as bad as each other.


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[Hibrandenburg]

About 70% of terrorist incidents in the US are committed by right wing extremists.
They are not as bad as each other.


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How many of the other 30% are committed by left wing terrorists?

[Ozyhibby]

How many of the other 30% are committed by left wing terrorists?

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[Hibrandenburg]

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Interesting Ozy, Right wing American extremists responsible for 73% and right wing Islamic extremists 27%. There's a pattern developing there. :wink:

[Ozyhibby]

Interesting Ozy, Right wing American extremists responsible for 73% and right wing Islamic extremists 27%. There's a pattern developing there. :wink:

Clearly shows the left and right are both as bad as each other.[emoji6]


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[Kato]

Disagree, both are as bad as each other at this moment in time.

How many Left-Wing mass shooters have there been this year?

[Lendo]

How many Left-Wing mass shooters have there been this year?

...or ever.

Left-wing terrorism died a death in the West in the late-70's/mid-80's. Anyone that claims Left and Right are as bad as each other in today's world is either on the wind up or a moron.

[DetroitHibs]

How many Left-Wing mass shooters have there been this year?

The one a couple of months ago in Walmart. The MSM don't publish that part, have to dig for yourself.

[Hibbyradge]

The one a couple of months ago in Walmart. The MSM don't publish that part, have to dig for yourself.

So, 1?

What percentage is that?

[Moulin Yarns]

The one a couple of months ago in Walmart. The MSM don't publish that part, have to dig for yourself.

I find it difficult to believe someone with anti Hispanic views is left wing.


https://www.npr.org/2019/09/12/760204851/el-paso-shooting-suspect-is-charged-with-capital-murder

[Future17]

The one a couple of months ago in Walmart. The MSM don't publish that part, have to dig for yourself.

The El Paso one? I thought that guy was a right-wing nationalist?

[Hibrandenburg]

The one a couple of months ago in Walmart. The MSM don't publish that part, have to dig for yourself.

Do you mean the one in El Paso in August? I thought he was a white fascist, that said, there's so many shootings you'll forgive me if one has slipped under my radar.

[Ozyhibby]

Hope the police had better luck tracking down this leftie with a gun.[emoji23]


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[SHODAN]

...or ever.

Left-wing terrorism died a death in the West in the late-70's/mid-80's. Anyone that claims Left and Right are as bad as each other in today's world is either on the wind up or a moron.

One side: We want to systemically purge all races except white people.

Centrist: I do not agree with what you say but I will defend to my death your right to say it.

Other side: We want what that side said to not happen.

Centrist: I cannot tell these people apart - they are literally as bad as each other!

[Rocky]

One side: We want to systemically purge all races except white people.

Centrist: I do not agree with what you say but I will defend to my death your right to say it.

Other side: We want what that side said to not happen.

Centrist: I cannot tell these people apart - they are literally as bad as each other!

I've read that three times and my response is still "Eh??"

[lapsedhibee]

I've read that three times and my response is still "Eh??"

Think "One Side" is "The Right" and "Other Side" is "The Left" and Diclonius is mocking the idea that they're just as bad as each other.

[Rocky]

Think "One Side" is "The Right" and "Other Side" is "The Left" and Diclonius is mocking the idea that they're just as bad as each other.

So why is "centrist" a moron?

[lapsedhibee]

So why is "centrist" a moron?

Might it be that Diclonius's view is that someone who can't sufficiently distinguish between The Right and Left viewpoints is being a bit moronic? :dunno:

[CloudSquall]

I see he has given Turkey the go ahead to march into Syria and go full steam against the Kurds, throwing the Kurds under the bus and going against his promise to not have Turkish activity in the border region in Syria.

Erdogan sat back and let ISIS have free reign to advance in Syria, but he has no hesitation in crossing the border to give it to the Kurds.

[Ozyhibby]

I see he has given Turkey the go ahead to march into Syria and go full steam against the Kurds, throwing the Kurds under the bus and going against his promise to not have Turkish activity in the border region in Syria.

Erdogan sat back and let ISIS have free reign to advance in Syria, but he has no hesitation in crossing the border to give it to the Kurds.

Two trump towers in Turkey. None in Kurdistan.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/07/nyregion/trump-taxes-lawsuit-vance.html#click=https://t.co/nfVKZfcwOP

Lost his case against the release of his tax returns.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

I see he has given Turkey the go ahead to march into Syria and go full steam against the Kurds, throwing the Kurds under the bus and going against his promise to not have Turkish activity in the border region in Syria.

Erdogan sat back and let ISIS have free reign to advance in Syria, but he has no hesitation in crossing the border to give it to the Kurds.


sh*t on the Kurds big time :agree: he's just allowed a terrorist in a suit and tie launch attacks against the outfit that has lost over 11k men in helping to cleanse parts of the middle east from ISIS.........you utter ******* Trump


mon the kurds

[CloudSquall]

sh*t on the Kurds big time :agree: he's just allowed a terrorist in a suit and tie launch attacks against the outfit that has lost over 11k men in helping to cleanse parts of the middle east from ISIS.........you utter ******* Trump


mon the kurds

I read that the Kurds have 10,000 ISIS fighters in detention, what a masterstroke it is to leave them behind and then give Turkey the green light to do as they wish, disaster waiting to happen.

He's Twitter comments on this are unbelievable, telling everyone it's up to Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Russia etc to sort this **** out now as he / the US is done with it.

[CloudSquall]

Two trump towers in Turkey. None in Kurdistan.


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Yep, all hell about to break loose for a Tower -

https://www.newsweek.com/ivanka-trump-tweet-thanking-turkey-erdogan-attending-istanbul-trump-towers-launch-syria-controversy-1463536

[CloudSquall]

The more I read on it the more peeved off I am.

After losing 11,000 people in the battle against ISIS and being the ones who initiated the fight back against them (while Turkey sat on it's arse), Trump convinced the Kurds to pull back their defenses from the Turkish border and begin to give up weaponry, only to then abandon them and give the go ahead to Turkey to get stuck in, leaving the Kurds to face losing thousands more while having to continue to detain 10k ISIS fighters by themselves.

[Future17]

When Lindsey Graham speaks out so strongly against a Trump decision, you know something has gone seriously wrong.

[JeMeSouviens]

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over...

:crazy:

[Colr]

:crazy:

You mock the great and powerful Wizard of Oz?

[CloudSquall]

Videos of alleged bombings of Kurdish positions on Twitter already being posted.

[CloudSquall]

Turkey has officially started it's campaign with airstrikes raining down on norther Syria now and troops crossing the border, alongside this the Kurds have initiated a "general mobilization" with civilians being called up for a potential war.



Trump has blood on his hands.

[Hibrandenburg]

Turkey has officially started it's campaign with airstrikes raining down on norther Syria now and troops crossing the border, alongside this the Kurds have initiated a "general mobilization" with civilians being called up for a potential war. Trump has blood on his hands.
No government in the world in their right minds could possibly think the US can be serious partners after seeing how they have betrayed the Kurds. Chlorinated chicken it is then.

[CloudSquall]

No government in the world in their right minds could possibly think the US can be serious partners after seeing how they have betrayed the Kurds. Chlorinated chicken it is then.

Yep, tells the Kurds to pull back from Turkish border and give up weaponry because the US has there backs, and then packs up his **** and gives the Turks the green light to bomb the hell out of them with US F-16s.

[CloudSquall]

I know he'd already lost it, but jesus, he's beyond it now,

http://www.businessinsider.fr/us/trump-abandoning-kurds-syria-didnt-help-during-wwii-allies-2019-10

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1182031506237280257


"Trump on the Kurds: "They didn't help us in the Second World War, they didn't help us with Normandy." He says they're only interested in fighting for "their land." He adds, "With all of that being said, we like the Kurds.""

[Ozyhibby]

At least after all this we’ll surely never have to listen to Americans going on about their amazing constitution again. If it can’t get rid of this clear criminal and national security threat then it’s not fit for purpose.


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[SHODAN]

At least after all this we’ll surely never have to listen to Americans going on about their amazing constitution again. If it can’t get rid of this clear criminal and national security threat then it’s not fit for purpose.


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Brexit and this idiot are proving that a significant minority (majority?) of the population both here and over the pond are quite happy to dispense with the rule of law if it means getting what they want. Don't hold your breath.

[NAE NOOKIE]

sh*t on the Kurds big time :agree: he's just allowed a terrorist in a suit and tie launch attacks against the outfit that has lost over 11k men in helping to cleanse parts of the middle east from ISIS.........you utter ******* Trump


mon the kurds

Absolutely. I'm no expert, but it seems to me that of all the different groups and nations in the middle east who have appeared on my telly in the last 40 years the Kurds seem to be the most sane, a people who from what I have seen appear to actually genuinely believe in democracy and equality for their people male or female.

What Trump has done here is one of his more shameful acts, absolutely shafting a people who were integral to the defeat of what the US saw as a 'clear and present danger' to US interests abroad and its internal security. Why would anybody trust the US while that moron is in charge? To think this is the guy the Brexit fanatics are pinning their hopes on for a fair trade deal post Brexit because of some fantasy of a special relationship.

Folk in Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia must be ****ting themselves right now ... after Trumps justification for betraying the Kurds Putin is probably revving up the tanks as I type in the sure and certain knowledge that the US will in all likelyhood do sod all to help NATO if they move on the Baltic states.

[lapsedhibee]

Absolutely. I'm no expert, but it seems to me that of all the different groups and nations in the middle east who have appeared on my telly in the last 40 years the Kurds seem to be the most sane, a people who from what I have seen appear to actually genuinely believe in democracy and equality for their people male or female.

What Trump has done here is one of his more shameful acts, absolutely shafting a people who were integral to the defeat of what the US saw as a 'clear and present danger' to US interests abroad and its internal security. Why would anybody trust the US while that moron is in charge? To think this is the guy the Brexit fanatics are pinning their hopes on for a fair trade deal post Brexit because of some fantasy of a special relationship.

Folk in Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia must be ****ting themselves right now ... after Trumps justification for betraying the Kurds Putin is probably revving up the tanks as I type in the sure and certain knowledge that the US will in all likelyhood do sod all to help NATO if they move on the Baltic states.

I wonder if anyone's thought that a European army might be a good idea? :dunno:

[CloudSquall]

Latest Trump tweet...

"Big day of negotiations with China. They want to make a deal, but do I? I meet with the Vice Premier tomorrow at The White House."

It's not a game of Wheel of ***** Fortune....

[southsider]

The Kurds didn’t help us in ww2 ? He might care to remember that the USA were ‘nutrual until 1941 and only entered the war when a German u-boat sunk an American destroyer. Men like JFK’s dad, Joe we’re dead against it. Then came Pearl Harbour....,,

[Smartie]

The Kurds didn’t help us in ww2 ? He might care to remember that the USA were ‘nutrual until 1941 and only entered the war when a German u-boat sunk an American destroyer. Men like JFK’s dad, Joe we’re dead against it. Then came Pearl Harbour....,,

They'd have had no interest in helping anyone during WW2 until those events happened.

Since they've discovered that their hideous levels of over-consumption can be fuelled by blasting the f*** out of their own soil and gathering the released energy sources they've been a bit less interested about what happens in the Middle East.

They'll be getting involved again when that runs out, or when they elect a leader with at least one decent bone in their body.

[Bristolhibby]

Also we shafted the Kurds after the first Gulf War. Invited them to rise up, then did nothing to help them as Saddam cracked down on them. A token “no fly zone”.

Kurds were instrumental in setting up the “2nd front” in the North in the second Gulf War.

Have been the driving force behind destroying ISIS.

Now we turn our back on them as our NATO “ally” Turkey bombs **** out of them.

Shameful. A real low. BTW our special forces are having to pull out also due to not having the US support.

J

[Hibrandenburg]

Also we shafted the Kurds after the first Gulf War. Invited them to rise up, then did nothing to help them as Saddam cracked down on them. A token “no fly zone”.

Kurds were instrumental in setting up the “2nd front” in the North in the second Gulf War.

Have been the driving force behind destroying ISIS.

Now we turn our back on them as our NATO “ally” Turkey bombs **** out of them.

Shameful. A real low. BTW our special forces are having to pull out also due to not having the US support.

J

Our NATO ally Turkey's president is now threatening Europe with opening the floodgates to Europe for 3.5 million Syrian refugees if Europe so much as criticizes Turkey's military action. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Erdogan, Trump and Putin are in cahoots, sowing unrest in Europe would suit all 3 of them.

[Ozyhibby]

Our NATO ally Turkey's president is now threatening Europe with opening the floodgates to Europe for 3.5 million Syrian refugees if Europe so much as criticizes Turkey's military action. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Erdogan, Trump and Putin are in cahoots, sowing unrest in Europe would suit all 3 of them.

I think it’s almost certain that Trump is doing this for personal reasons. There is zero benefit to the US in all this. He’ll get caught eventually. The damage to the US from this is massive.


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[Hibrandenburg]

I think it’s almost certain that Trump is doing this for personal reasons. There is zero benefit to the US in all this. He’ll get caught eventually. The damage to the US from this is massive.


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Trump looks at the world with the eyes of a hustler. He sees the EU and China as competition, he's been trying to whip up unrest in both since his first day in office. If the competition is dealing with other **** then that means opportunities for him.

[Colr]

Trump looks at the world with the eyes of a hustler. He sees the EU and China as competition, he's been trying to whip up unrest in both since his first day in office. If the competition is dealing with other **** then that means opportunities for him.

Renting out US troops to Saudi seems Consistent with that.

[CloudSquall]

Renting out US troops to Saudi seems Consistent with that.

One day he is declaring that he has had enough policing the world and bringing home the troops, the next day he is sending them to Saudi Arabia.

[Ozyhibby]

One day he is declaring that he has had enough policing the world and bringing home the troops, the next day he is sending them to Saudi Arabia.

MBS has something on him. Once again this is in his own personal interest.


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[wpj]

Must be because of Saudi's support at Normandy

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191012/c7821c345b81db4f5bbd5f04b781e6f5.jpg

I would have thought this was quite a rare thing. The US military is criticising the US presidents decision.


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[RyeSloan]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191012/c7821c345b81db4f5bbd5f04b781e6f5.jpg

I would have thought this was quite a rare thing. The US military is criticising the US presidents decision.


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There is no rules or normality when it comes to Trump and his actions.

He’s progressively getting more and more volatile.

This time he’s given Turkey the green light to attack, the very same day saying he will destroy them if they use the green light to do anything...

[Jack Hackett]

There is no rules or normality when it comes to Trump and his actions.

He’s progressively getting more and more volatile.

This time he’s given Turkey the green light to attack, the very same day saying he will destroy them if they use the green light to do anything...

... and then doing nothing

[RyeSloan]

... and then doing nothing

Indeed.

Almost 800 ISIS escaped last night thanks to the Turks.

Quality work from Trump on this one.

[CloudSquall]

Indeed.

Almost 800 ISIS escaped last night thanks to the Turks.

Quality work from Trump on this one.


Reports now that Assad has agreed with the Kurds to send troops to fight with the Kurds to try to prevent the occupation of a number of key towns in northern Syria,

https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1183426638899531777


ISIS starts up again and Turkey and Syria about to go to war, Trump's outdone himself on this one..

[Jack Hackett]

Reports now that Assad has agreed with the Kurds to send troops to fight with the Kurds to try to prevent the occupation of a number of key towns in northern Syria,

https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1183426638899531777


ISIS starts up again and Turkey and Syria about to go to war, Trump's outdone himself on this one..

... But, but... "Great and unmatched wisdom"

[Ozyhibby]

Reports now that Assad has agreed with the Kurds to send troops to fight with the Kurds to try to prevent the occupation of a number of key towns in northern Syria,

https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1183426638899531777


ISIS starts up again and Turkey and Syria about to go to war, Trump's outdone himself on this one..

And with Turkey being a member of NATO then we’re all going to be in the poo.


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[CloudSquall]

" BREAKING US Def. Sec. claims Turkey is 'likely to expand its attack further South" than planned & that Kurds are trying to ally with Russia & Assad for help. US misled by 1 NATO ally & now its former ally is hooking up with Russia. Diplomatic failure, almost military humiliation."

https://twitter.com/BillNeelyNBC/status/1183366039360413696


Stab the Kurds in the back and have them become a Russian ally, Putin didn't even have to lift a finger..

But hey...we've got a couple of Trump Towers in Istanbul...

[lapsedhibee]

Asked about the potential threat posed by Isis-related prisoners, he shrugged: “They’re going to be escaping to Europe.”

Helpful to his policy of destabilising the EU as a trading competitor then. Unmatched wisdom :agree:.

[Ozyhibby]

" BREAKING US Def. Sec. claims Turkey is 'likely to expand its attack further South" than planned & that Kurds are trying to ally with Russia & Assad for help. US misled by 1 NATO ally & now its former ally is hooking up with Russia. Diplomatic failure, almost military humiliation."

https://twitter.com/BillNeelyNBC/status/1183366039360413696


Stab the Kurds in the back and have them become a Russian ally, Putin didn't even have to lift a finger..

But hey...we've got a couple of Trump Towers in Istanbul...

Trump has found it very hard to resist helping Putin in every decision he makes for some reason.


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[grunt]

Asked about the potential threat posed by Isis-related prisoners, he shrugged: “They’re going to be escaping to Europe.”

Helpful to his policy of destabilising the EU as a trading competitor then. Unmatched wisdom :agree:.Trump said this? And we want to rely on him for our post Brexit economic future? Blimey.

[Hibernia&Alba]

11th October - A new book about Trump's behaviour towards women is forthcoming. Twenty-six women make new allegations of sexual assault. One day the full truth will surely be revealed, exposing Trump as a super predator. These things can't remain secret forever.



https://youtu.be/be3xGls37Ys

[Colr]

11th October - A new book about Trump's behaviour towards women is forthcoming. Twenty-six women make new allegations of sexual assault. One day the full truth will surely be revealed, exposing Trump as a super predator. These things can't remain secret forever.



https://youtu.be/be3xGls37Ys
2 days ago?

[Hibernia&Alba]

2 days ago?

The video was posted by David Pakman on his You Tube channel two days ago. He doesn't give the release date of the book, which is called 'All The President's Women'; a wee evocation of Nixon there.

[Callum_62]

Trump said this? And we want to rely on him for our post Brexit economic future? Blimey.Absolutely scandalous this is

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[Just_Jimmy]

Brexit and this idiot are proving that a significant minority (majority?) of the population both here and over the pond are quite happy to dispense with the rule of law if it means getting what they want. Don't hold your breath.History proves that. The reason people are so fascinated and horrified by the Nazis is because normal people allowed it to happen.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

... But, but... "Great and unmatched wisdom"

22621

:agree:

[wpj]

The man is a total erse
BBC News - Turkey-Syria offensive: Not our problem, says Donald Trump
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50075703

[Future17]

He's like a parody; he'd be hilarious if it weren't reality.

Just when you think it can't get more bizarre, you read about his letter to Erdogan and recent meeting with Pelosi and co.

[Slavers]

What are people expecting Trump to do in this situation, he did not create the mess in Syria.

Are people really expecting the USA to fight along side the Kurds against a fellow NATO ally in Turkey? Do they want American sons & daughters caught up and being killed in a conflict between the Kurds and the Turks?

Does Turkey not have a right to defend it's border from the Kurds, have the Kurds themselves not occupied territory that is not theirs?

The USA have nothing to gain from maintaining a presence in Syria, especially baring in mind that they are currently in that country illegally.

The real focus should be on the administration who supplied arms and funding to the headchopping extreme Sunny terrorists done so in an effort to topple Assad.

[Callum_62]

What are people expecting Trump to do in this situation, he did not create the mess in Syria.

Are people really expecting the USA to fight along side the Kurds against a fellow NATO ally in Turkey? Do they want American sons & daughters caught up and being killed in a conflict between the Kurds and the Turks?

Does Turkey not have a right to defend it's border from the Kurds, have the Kurds themselves not occupied territory that is not theirs?

The USA have nothing to gain from maintaining a presence in Syria, especially baring in mind that they are currently in that country illegally.

The real focus should be on the administration who supplied arms and funding to the headchopping extreme Sunny terrorists done so in an effort to topple Assad.Are the kurds attacking the Turkish border?

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[CloudSquall]

From CNN reporter..

""
Pelosi says Trump told her during meeting that reason he pulled troops out of Syria was because of promise he made on campaign to bring them home.

Pelosi told Trump: “Is Saudi Arabia home?”

Pelosi says Trump responded: Saudis are “paying for it.”

""

[Slavers]

Are the kurds attacking the Turkish border?

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The YPG have attacked before.

But the point remains, what is it your expecting Trump to do here? Continue illegally occupying Syria to protect the Kurds?

[CloudSquall]

The YPG have attacked before.

But the point remains, what is it your expecting Trump to do here? Continue illegally occupying Syria to protect the Kurds?

Yes

[Slavers]

Yes

That's just delusional to think America will fight against a NATO ally.

I suspect no matter what Trump does he can't do right for wrong. America has nothing to gain from remaining in Syria. It's a local issue and the West should learn their lesson and stop getting involved.

Again the real problem is why were the West lead by Obama arming Jihadist fighters.

Orange Man Bad though!

[Callum_62]

The YPG have attacked before.

But the point remains, what is it your expecting Trump to do here? Continue illegally occupying Syria to protect the Kurds?So they Wernt attacking then [emoji848]

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[CloudSquall]

That's just delusional to think America will fight against a NATO ally.

I suspect no matter what Trump does he can't do right for wrong. America has nothing to gain from remaining in Syria. It's a local issue and the West should learn their lesson and stop getting involved.

Again the real problem is why were the West lead by Obama arming Jihadist fighters.

Orange Man Bad though!

Turkey only went in when Trump had the troops pack up and leave, there would not have been any need for NATO allies to fight.

The Kurds were already pulling back defensive positions and weapons from the border as agreed with the US.

[Slavers]

So they Wernt attacking then [emoji848]

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Have they previously attacked? They are fighting against Turkey now from land that they have stole from Syria.

The correct thing is for Syria to reclaim their land and offer the Kurds protection from Turkey.

The wrong thing to do is for America to get involved in yet another middle eastern conflict that they don't need too.

[Callum_62]

Have they previously attacked? They are fighting against Turkey now from land that they have stole from Syria.

The correct thing is for Syria to reclaim their land and offer the Kurds protection from Turkey.

The wrong thing to do is for America to get involved in yet another middle eastern conflict that they don't need too.England attacked us once.

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[Slavers]

England attacked us once.

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Yes and your still after revenge.

[CloudSquall]

Have they previously attacked? They are fighting against Turkey now from land that they have stole from Syria.

The correct thing is for Syria to reclaim their land and offer the Kurds protection from Turkey.

The wrong thing to do is for America to get involved in yet another middle eastern conflict that they don't need too.

So why couldn't Trump have keep the troops in there until Syria was in a position strong enough to offer that protection against Turkey?

As has been seen this week deals between Assad and the Kurds can be struck.

[Callum_62]

Yes and your still after revenge.Haha, Slavers indeed.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Have they previously attacked? They are fighting against Turkey now from land that they have stole from Syria.

The correct thing is for Syria to reclaim their land and offer the Kurds protection from Turkey.

The wrong thing to do is for America to get involved in yet another middle eastern conflict that they don't need too.

The Kurdish people are a nationless population chased out of every country, a bit like the Palestinians and Israelis before they were gifted land by great Britain, land that was not Britain's to give.

The situation was stable until the Americans were pulled out with little thought to the consequences, like the freedom for ISIS fighters. Something that you seem to be happy about.

[Rocky]

The Kurdish people are a nationless population chased out of every country, a bit like the Palestinians and Israelis before they were gifted land by great Britain, land that was not Britain's to give.

The situation was stable until the Americans were pulled out with little thought to the consequences, like the freedom for ISIS fighters. Something that you seem to be happy about.

I think this is the key point. I'm no expert on the situation so for all I know it's perfectly appropriate that the USA should withdraw from the region. But surely anyone can see that destabilising such a sensitive environment on a whim instead of as part of a carefully planned withdrawal is madness.

Hence, not for the first time, I'm going to conclude that Slavers defence of the action is motivated by something other than an objective review of the matters at hand.

[Ozyhibby]

I think this is the key point. I'm no expert on the situation so for all I know it's perfectly appropriate that the USA should withdraw from the region. But surely anyone can see that destabilising such a sensitive environment on a whim instead of as part of a carefully planned withdrawal is madness.

Hence, not for the first time, I'm going to conclude that Slavers defence of the action is motivated by something other than an objective review of the matters at hand.

I think the problem for Trump and the IS is the reason behind the withdrawal. It looks like corruption.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

apparently this is the letter Trump sent Erdogan

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/10/17/14/19807762-7583775-In_the_letter_which_was_written_on_October_9_as_Er dogan_s_forces-m-57_1571320288983.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/10/17/13/19834494-7583775-image-a-28_1571313845248.jpg

[J-C]

The Kurdish people are a nationless population chased out of every country, a bit like the Palestinians and Israelis before they were gifted land by great Britain, land that was not Britain's to give.

The situation was stable until the Americans were pulled out with little thought to the consequences, like the freedom for ISIS fighters. Something that you seem to be happy about.

Yep, they're basically like gypsies,most live in the eastern parts of Turkey and in countries bordering those parts of Turkey. When I holidayed many times a few years ago, they were treated poorly by the rest of the Turks, they owned some bars and restaurants but were closed down often due to being extorted by the local mayor and his cronies.

The last time I was there in Marmaris, there were 2 explosions a week after I had left, one on a dolmus bus and another in a litter bin near the harbour. A friend who had another week to go told us someone got stabbed on the steps of one of the bigger plusher hotels.

[Hibernia&Alba]

apparently this is the letter Trump sent Erdogan

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/10/17/14/19807762-7583775-In_the_letter_which_was_written_on_October_9_as_Er dogan_s_forces-m-57_1571320288983.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/10/17/13/19834494-7583775-image-a-28_1571313845248.jpg

That's a real letter? :shocked:

[DaveF]

apparently this is the letter Trump sent Erdogan

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/10/17/14/19807762-7583775-In_the_letter_which_was_written_on_October_9_as_Er dogan_s_forces-m-57_1571320288983.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/10/17/13/19834494-7583775-image-a-28_1571313845248.jpg

That truly is a WTF moment.

[CloudSquall]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50094738


"Like two kids in a lot, you have got to let them fight and then you pull them apart," he told a rally in Texas."



Mental.

[Sylar]

apparently this is the letter Trump sent Erdogan

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/10/17/14/19807762-7583775-In_the_letter_which_was_written_on_October_9_as_Er dogan_s_forces-m-57_1571320288983.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/10/17/13/19834494-7583775-image-a-28_1571313845248.jpg

Nah, **** the **** off...that can't be real...:shocked:

Wow. Just....wow.

[Cataplana]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50094738


"Like two kids in a lot, you have got to let them fight and then you pull them apart," he told a rally in Texas."



Mental.

The thing is the two kids aren't usually armed with weapons which they turn on each other and their families.

In most countries anyway.

[Ozyhibby]

Despite all the nonsense I still have faith that the system over there will eventually see trump in jail. Might be being a bit naive.


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[lapsedhibee]

That's a real letter? :shocked:

Not only real, but I'm sure Trump will be describing it as 'very beautiful' any moment.

[cabbageandribs1875]

That's a real letter? :shocked:


That truly is a WTF moment.


Nah, **** the **** off...that can't be real...:shocked:

Wow. Just....wow.


crivens, it's a letter i would have typed....with added sweary words :faf:


i'm astonished he even has the brass neck to type 'history will look back on you favourably '(erdogan) absolutely baffling

[cabbageandribs1875]

Despite all the nonsense I still have faith that the system over there will eventually see trump in jail. Might be being a bit naive.


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i honestly don't think they will put either a sitting or ex-president in the clink, any attempts at impeachment/Suits appear to have stalled lately

[grunt]

That's a real letter? Sorry, had to delete that flashing emoji thing, it was driving me crazy.

The White House have now released JFK's letter to Khrushchev

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHLBFeFU0AAHdTR?format=jpg&name=medium

[wpj]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50094738


"Like two kids in a lot, you have got to let them fight and then you pull them apart," he told a rally in Texas."



Mental.

Sand, there's lots of sand
What a total moronic prick

[Fuzzywuzzy]

"Our K-9, as they call - I call it a dog, a beautiful dog, a talented dog - was injured and brought back," the president said.

How can anyone question this very stable genius?

[lapsedhibee]

How can anyone question this very stable genius?

https://twitter.com/pdsutter/status/1018908978447712257

[Fuzzywuzzy]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/keeping-oil-syria-trump-considered-war-crime/story%3fid=66589757

I still can't get my head around this guy being president

[Mr Grieves]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1189601417469841409?s=19

WTF!? :rotflmao:

[Future17]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsBOWSjOLsE

[Moulin Yarns]

Impeachment moves a step closer

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50246324