(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[Hibrandenburg]

It's born of desperation. In the past forty years, since Reagan was elected, millions of Americans have been dispossessed and are angry. They are drowning in debt, yet they voted for their own demise. Sadly, their culture is dominated by the lowest common denominator: don't analyse the systemic failings, just lash out at the weakest, so deflecting from real analysis. It's rather like The Sun and Daily Mail here telling us that social problems are totally disconnected from the policy causes. Lash out and condemn, don't analyse. There are plenty of idiots who accept the narrative: treat the symptom, not the cause; thus they continue to dig their own grave.

Delete Reagan and paste Thatcher and you have the UK.

[hibsbollah]

Delete Reagan and paste Thatcher and you have the UK.

:agree: More so, if anything.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Delete Reagan and paste Thatcher and you have the UK.

I'm not so sure. America doesn't have the class distinctions and tradition of democratic socialism that we have. Of course Thatcher also played the divide and rule game to the hilt, but she did face massive (though ultimately unsuccessful) resistance in many parts of the UK. Central Scotland, Northern England and South Wales fought Thatcherism tooth and nail. As a wee boy I remember the collections for the miners in 1984-85 and the feeling of solidarity against an alien government. You were either for her or against her; there was no compromise. America doesn't seem to have that tradition; not since the organised left was destroyed in the 1920s. Reagan didn't face the same opposition as Thatcher. I still hate her and her philosophy, as i remember the hardship well, though it did bring out the best in people in this part of the world.

[Kato]

Id do the same as her and try and put a stop to itTry to put a stop to the left not being in meltdown?

She doesn't care if there are asylum seekers in the country or not. It has no bearing on her whatsoever. If she does invoke some kind of policy or new practice it'll be a rotten attempt at looking tough against foreign people with complicated forms and some coke addict numbos getting to wear a uniform for a private security firm.

A huge xenophobic distraction for bigots to salivate over.

Its weird, at this moment in history in quite a few countries, that the ultra rich can persuade the poor that those with nothing are the cause of their problems. Absolute mugs.

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[makaveli1875]

Why do you want to put a stop to it?

(I take it that the "it" we're talking about is the refugees attempting to get into the UK by risking their lives on small dinghies in the English Channel).

Why don't you want refugees to be allowed to enter the UK?

They aren't refugees they're coming from France, it's perfectly safe there. There's no reason the UK couldn't offer asylum to some of them but in an orderly fashion.

[Keith_M]

I see he's now latching on to the 'birther' theories again, this time with Harris.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18650908.donald-trump-stokes-theory-kamala-harriss-eligibility-serve-vice-president/


Presumably he's appealing to the racist side of some voters who can't accept a mixed race candidate.

[Moulin Yarns]

They aren't refugees they're coming from France, it's perfectly safe there. There's no reason the UK couldn't offer asylum to some of them but in an orderly fashion.

WOW!!!!

They are refugees from war, famine and pestilence, passing through France in the mistaken belief that Britain is the land of milk and honey. Had the Tories not pushed through Brexit, France would actually be helping to stop them crossing the Channel, now they don't need to.

[lapsedhibee]

Had the Tories not pushed through Brexit, France would actually be helping to stop them crossing the Channel, now they don't need to.

:tsk tsk: People knew what they were voting for, to Give Up Control.

[grunt]

They aren't refugees they're coming from France, it's perfectly safe there. There's no reason the UK couldn't offer asylum to some of them but in an orderly fashion.
Why don't you want the refugees to come to the UK?

[Bristolhibby]

They aren't refugees they're coming from France, it's perfectly safe there. There's no reason the UK couldn't offer asylum to some of them but in an orderly fashion.

Why should France have to look after them and we don’t?

And don’t just say the English Channel.

The U.K. quite frankly dodges it’s obligations to house refugees. Countries like the Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey (who are least placed to deal with them, bear the brunt).

J

[makaveli1875]

Why should France have to look after them and we don’t?

And don’t just say the English Channel.

The U.K. quite frankly dodges it’s obligations to house refugees. Countries like the Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey (who are least placed to deal with them, bear the brunt).

J

Britain should fulfil its obligation to house some refugees I agree with that but not all of the folk on these boats are actually refugees are they.

[grunt]

Britain should fulfil its obligation to house some refugees I agree with that but not all of the folk on these boats are actually refugees are they.

Why don't you want the refugees to come to the UK?

[makaveli1875]

Why don't you want the refugees to come to the UK?

I already said I don't see an issue with allowing some refugees to come here. Not everyone on these boats are refugees though are they

[Callum_62]

I already said I don't see an issue with allowing some refugees to come here. Not everyone on these boats are refugees though are theyWhat are they?

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[makaveli1875]

What are they?

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Some actual refugees and some chancers pretending to be refugees

[RyeSloan]

WOW!!!!

They are refugees from war, famine and pestilence, passing through France in the mistaken belief that Britain is the land of milk and honey. Had the Tories not pushed through Brexit, France would actually be helping to stop them crossing the Channel, now they don't need to.

Yet the French stopped 10 times as many attempted boat crossings last month compared to 2019.

The UK and France also agreed last month to a joint intelligence unit on people smuggling networks and are in active talks on a revised plan to try and stop the boat crossing routes being used.

Also France is still obliged to be following the EU agreed rules with the UK through 2020.

Still Brexit n all that.

The fact is that these migrants, some of who will be genuine asylum seekers, others simply economic migrants, are being exploited by criminal gangs profiting from people trafficking with zero regard to any laws or the safety of the people they are smuggling.

No matter what you think of the UK’s asylum process that type of profiteering and disregard for life should never be supported.

[grunt]

I already said I don't see an issue with allowing some refugees to come here. Not everyone on these boats are refugees though are theyWe take less refugees than most other countries. How many is "some"? And why not more than just "some"?

[grunt]

Not everyone on these boats are refugees though are they


Some actual refugees and some chancers pretending to be refugeesHow do we know this if we just send the navy to turn them round? (Answer: we don't, but it's comforting to your narrative to assume they are).

[makaveli1875]

We take less refugees than most other countries. How many is "some"? And why not more than just "some"?

A few thousand would be some.

[Moulin Yarns]

Britain should fulfil its obligation to house some refugees I agree with that but not all of the folk on these boats are actually refugees are they.

Fact, or Hibs.net fact.

[makaveli1875]

Fact, or Hibs.net fact.

It's a fact that can't be argued.

[Moulin Yarns]

A few thousand would be some.

According to UK government figures in the year to September 2019 the UK resettled 238 refugees.

The UK report card reads "must do better"

[Moulin Yarns]

It's a fact that can't be argued.

Because you said so.

Not believing that.

[makaveli1875]

Because you said so.

Not believing that.

Whatever, don't give a **** if your believing it or not. The government know the score and that's the main thing

[Moulin Yarns]

Whatever, don't give a **** if your believing it or not. The government know the score and that's the main thing

Any comments on the low numbers of refugees that this great country has resettled?

[makaveli1875]

Any comments on the low numbers of refugees that this great country has resettled?

Hard to find an exact figure but I'm seeing 15000 if that's accurate then I'd say that's pretty reasonable

[RyeSloan]

Any comments on the low numbers of refugees that this great country has resettled?

Depends on how you measure low.

The actual figures on numbers being granted asylum have grown substantially over the last decade and last year saw the highest number yet.

Here’s some figures to digest and help inform:


https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigration-statistics-year-ending-december-2019/how-many-people-do-we-grant-asylum-or-protection-to#asylum-resettlement-and-protection

[Rocky]

Depends on how you measure low.

The actual figures on numbers being granted asylum have grown substantially over the last decade and last year saw the highest number yet.

Here’s some figures to digest and help inform:


https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigration-statistics-year-ending-december-2019/how-many-people-do-we-grant-asylum-or-protection-to#asylum-resettlement-and-protection
That is informative, particularly this part:

"The UK received a number of applications equivalent to the 5th largest of the EU member states in year ending September 2019; this would equate to the 19th largest per head of the population."

Which seems to support the assertion that UK levels are low.

[JeMeSouviens]

Yet the French stopped 10 times as many attempted boat crossings last month compared to 2019.

The UK and France also agreed last month to a joint intelligence unit on people smuggling networks and are in active talks on a revised plan to try and stop the boat crossing routes being used.

Also France is still obliged to be following the EU agreed rules with the UK through 2020.

Still Brexit n all that.

The fact is that these migrants, some of who will be genuine asylum seekers, others simply economic migrants, are being exploited by criminal gangs profiting from people trafficking with zero regard to any laws or the safety of the people they are smuggling.

No matter what you think of the UK’s asylum process that type of profiteering and disregard for life should never be supported.

The reason there's currently so many boat crossings is a side effect of covid - less lorries crossing at the moment and the ones that are are complying with safety restrictions.

[makaveli1875]

Rubber boats and lorry cabins are no way for anyone to travel. There needs to be a legitimate route like a ferry that will bring over the people that are granted asylum and the people that are rejected will just have to make do with France. Its not so bad over there.

[Moulin Yarns]

Rubber boats and lorry cabins are no way for anyone to travel. There needs to be a legitimate route like a ferry that will bring over the people that are granted asylum and the people that are rejected will just have to make do with France. Its not so bad over there.

:rolleyes:

Try doing some homework before proving your ignorance

https://www.redcross.org.uk/about-us/what-we-do/how-we-support-refugees/find-out-about-refugees?c_code=170460&c_source=google&c_name=&adg=about%20us%20|%20catchall&c_creative=dsa&c_medium=cpc&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI44_-3_aa6wIVBLTtCh28uQcpEAAYASAAEgIG3_D_BwE##

https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-do/refugees-asylum-seekers-and-migrants/

https://observatoryihr.org/blog/the-uk-must-stop-compelling-asylum-seekers-to-risk-their-lives/


The problem is that asylum applications must be made on British soil. Incongruously, in order to be permitted to even request to live in a place of safety, stability, and opportunity, you have to already be there. Asylum seekers can enter the UK in one of two ways. The first option is to fly in and claim asylum upon arrival. Yet for every country that an asylum seeker is likely to have travelled from, a visa is required to enter the UK. And the government advises against granting an applicant a visa if:

the political, economic and security situation in the applicant’s country of residence, including whether it is politically unstable, a conflict zone or at risk of becoming one, leads to doubts about their intention to leave the UK at the end of their visit

In other words, if it’s suspected that a person might be seeking entry to apply for asylum, their visa application will almost certainly be rejected. To be allowed in, the UK has to be confident you will leave. The upshot is that the only safe, legitimate way to enter the UK in order to seek asylum is blocked.

That leaves just one option: would-be asylum seekers must enlist smugglers, at considerable cost and risk, to help them to move across borders without detection. Their attempts to reach the UK necessarily require them to break laws, and hand over their life savings to criminal networks who can offer no certainty about whether they’ll arrive alive. The odds are never good.

https://www.unhcr.org/uk/asylum-in-the-uk.html

And it's not just the UK and Europe.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/851992131822

[makaveli1875]

:rolleyes:

Try doing some homework before proving your ignorance



Try not being a flatulent ring piece, we don't all have the time to trawl the Internet doing our homework on every matter

[Rocky]

Try not being a flatulent ring piece, we don't all have the time to trawl the Internet doing our homework on every matter

Well articulated response. I feel myself being swayed towards your point of view now.

[Moulin Yarns]

Try not being a flatulent ring piece, we don't all have the time to trawl the Internet doing our homework on every matter

Thank you for then enlightened insight into how your mind works. Reduced to personal insults because you were proved wrong is not the way to engage in serious debate.

[makaveli1875]

Thank you for then enlightened insight into how your mind works. Reduced to personal insults because you were proved wrong is not the way to engage in serious debate.

I replied in the same tone as you do you can dry yer eyes and drop the serious debate patter.

[SHODAN]

Some actual refugees and some chancers pretending to be refugees

If you "chanced" your own death on a rubber ring across the sea just to get to another country, wouldn't you suspect that whatever you were running from was worse than death?

[makaveli1875]

If you "chanced" your own death on a rubber ring across the sea just to get to another country, wouldn't you suspect that whatever you were running from was worse than death?

What are they running from that's so bad in france, its a fantastic country. Great food, better weather than here. Its a modern European country its not worse than death at all.

[bigwheel]

What are they running from that's so bad in france, its a fantastic country. Great food, better weather than here. Its a modern European country its not worse than death at all.


It's fair to have different views on the topic, but what a horrible response this is. Devoid of any compassion or empathy for those who are fleeing their country for a safer or better life. Do you think they want to be in this position? Do you not think they they wish for a safe or secure future in their homeland?

[Moulin Yarns]

What are they running from that's so bad in france, its a fantastic country. Great food, better weather than here. Its a modern European country its not worse than death at all.

You obviously don't understand the conditions that refugees have to endure in the camps such as the Jungle near Calais. Full and overflowing with no proper sanitation or water supply. A leaking dinghy is deemed to be preferable to that.

[Hibrandenburg]

Try not being a flatulent ring piece, we don't all have the time to trawl the Internet doing our homework on every matter

I think making posts without knowing the facts or checking the authenticity of what you're claiming is the definition of being a flatulent ring piece.

Note: This post was made without checking the authenticity of my claim and the Oxford Dictionary may actually give a different definition of "Flatulent Ring Piece".

[Moulin Yarns]

I think making posts without knowing the facts or checking the authenticity of what you're claiming is the definition of being a flatulent ring piece.

Note: This post was made without checking the authenticity of my claim and the Oxford Dictionary may actually give a different definition of "Flatulent Ring Piece".

https://youtu.be/JWIRcv1pnYo

[Hibrandenburg]

https://youtu.be/JWIRcv1pnYo

I stand corrected, you can't argue with the University of YouTube. I've learned on here recently that it's an even more elite place of education than, Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard and Princeton put together.

[makaveli1875]

I think making posts without knowing the facts or checking the authenticity of what you're claiming is the definition of being a flatulent ring piece.

Note: This post was made without checking the authenticity of my claim and the Oxford Dictionary may actually give a different definition of "Flatulent Ring Piece".

Right on cue, the pontiff has spoken

[Hibrandenburg]

Right on cue, the pontiff has spoken

Dominus noster Jesus Christus te absolvat; et ego auctoritate ipsius te absolvo ab omni vinculo excommunicationis et interdicti in quantum possum et tu indiges. Deinde, ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Dominus noster Jesus Christus te absolvat; et ego auctoritate ipsius te absolvo ab omni vinculo excommunicationis et interdicti in quantum possum et tu indiges. Deinde, ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.

Reported for papist indoctrination :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

Dominus noster Jesus Christus te absolvat; et ego auctoritate ipsius te absolvo ab omni vinculo excommunicationis et interdicti in quantum possum et tu indiges. Deinde, ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.

Have I stumbled onto Follow Follow?

[Logie Green]

Have I stumbled onto Follow Follow?

They don’t stumble on Follow Follow, they walk.....

[Hibrandenburg]

Reported for papist indoctrination :greengrin

:greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

Have I stumbled onto Follow Follow?

:greengrin
Is it on your favourites list?

[makaveli1875]

Dominus noster Jesus Christus te absolvat; et ego auctoritate ipsius te absolvo ab omni vinculo excommunicationis et interdicti in quantum possum et tu indiges. Deinde, ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.

You should post in Latin more often

[Hibrandenburg]

You should post in Latin more often

If it helps you to understand the meaning of the word empathy, then I'm game.

[Keith_M]

Dominus noster Jesus Christus te absolvat; et ego auctoritate ipsius te absolvo ab omni vinculo excommunicationis et interdicti in quantum possum et tu indiges. Deinde, ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.


Who let that Taig post on here?

[Sylar]

Who let that Taig post on here?

Isn’t it tarrier? I can never keep up!

[Moulin Yarns]

Who let that Taig post on here?

It's a machiavellian plot I tell ye.

[heretoday]

Why on earth are people risking their lives to come here?

We must be a better place than we get credit for.

[Hibrandenburg]

Why on earth are people risking their lives to come here?

We must be a better place than we get credit for.

To get free benefits and kill us.

[neil7908]

Why on earth are people risking their lives to come here?

We must be a better place than we get credit for.

Many of them will have a reasonable degree of English. We've colonised half the world and forced English upon them to the extent that its the main second language of the world. We benefit from this advantage everytime we leave the country.

This is the flip side - you reap what you sow.

[Moulin Yarns]

Why on earth are people risking their lives to come here?

We must be a better place than we get credit for.

I think the more pertinent question is what on earth are people trying to escape from that they are willing to risk their lives to come here.

HERE is as far away as they can get from what they are running from. Makes sense to me.

[Ozyhibby]

Why on earth are people risking their lives to come here?

We must be a better place than we get credit for.

It’s not just here that people try to escape to. The numbers trying to get from France to Britain is a small percentage of the numbers who arrive in France.
Liberal democracies are the most attractive places in the world to live and work. There is nothing special about us.


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[Moulin Yarns]

You should post in Latin more often

nec pugnae aviditate pascere :wink:

[wpj]

I see his brother and "best friend" has died. He is being trolled about it online. Now, I hate his politics but why do people feel the need to do this?

[marinello59]

I see his brother and "best friend" has died. He is being trolled about it online. Now, I hate his politics but why do people feel the need to do this?

Because they are pig ignorant ****wits?

[Hibrandenburg]

I see his brother and "best friend" has died. He is being trolled about it online. Now, I hate his politics but why do people feel the need to do this?

It's a strange one, it annoys me to think that Trump is being trolled about the death of his brother but if Trump was to drop dead tomorrow I probably wouldn't care a fig.

[Callum_62]

I see his brother and "best friend" has died. He is being trolled about it online. Now, I hate his politics but why do people feel the need to do this?To be fair, he "must've known what he signed up for."

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[marinello59]

To be fair, he "must've known what he signed up for."

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That really doesn’t excuse the sick posts. Those doing it only allow Trump to claim the moral high ground.

[wpj]

Someone trolls me about the loss of of a family member regardless of their opinion of me I will go through them. Trump is an absolute twat but he deserves the right to grieve for his brother.

[Callum_62]

That really doesn’t excuse the sick posts. Those doing it only allow Trump to claim the moral high ground.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-dead-soldier-phone-call-disrespect-widow-mother-confirms-claims-name-sgt-johnson-a8007366.html%3famp

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[Keith_M]

That really doesn’t excuse the sick posts. Those doing it only allow Trump to claim the moral high ground.


That was a Trump phrase and is quite apt, in the circumstances.

[Keith_M]

It's strange one, it annoys me to think that Trump is being trolled about the death of his brother but if Trump was to drop dead tomorrow I probably wouldn't care a fig.


I bought everybody at my work a round of drinks when Thatcher died.

I know, I'm a bad man.

[lapsedhibee]

I bought everybody at my work a round of drinks when Thatcher died.

You're a rich man. I'd have just bought everybody a drink.

[Keith_M]

You're a rich man. I'd have just bought everybody a drink.


:greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

To get free benefits and kill us.

Im sure that you know but it's worth stating, that illegal immigrants, despite what the right want us to believe, don't get benefits.

They do kill a lot of us though.

[Hibrandenburg]

Im sure that you know but it's worth stating, that illegal immigrants, despite what the right want us to believe, don't get benefits.

They do kill a lot of us though.

Yep I know. But that's the message that the right are trying to get over, sometimes subtle and sometimes very blunt but that's basically the seed they're trying to plant. It's all rubbish of course but I'm sure someone will be along in a minute who believes this guff and has a couple of YouTube videos that will convince us.

[Keith_M]

Yep I know. But that's the message that the right are trying to get over, sometimes subtle and sometimes very blunt but that's basically the seed they're trying to plant. It's all rubbish of course but I'm sure someone will be along in a minute who believes this guff and has a couple of YouTube videos that will convince us.


My wife's friend lives in a small village in Sachsen and they were so terrified when a handful of refugees was housed there temporarily that they stopped taking their kids to the park and some of the women started going to the shops in pairs, instead of on their own.

Apparently it's a 'well known fact' that the refugees would rape them and steal their children.

:rolleyes:

[Moulin Yarns]

My wife's friend lives in a small village in Sachsen and they were so terrified when a handful of refugees was housed there temporarily that they stopped taking their kids to the park and some of the women started going to the shops in pairs, instead of on their own.

Apparently it's a 'well known fact' that the refugees would rape them and steal their children.

:rolleyes:

Worth a watch.

https://www.doubledown.news/watch/2020/17/august/the-enemy-of-the-working-class-travels-by-private-jet-not-migrant-dinghy-zahra-sultana-mp

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Have a look at last Friday night's Unreported World on Channel 4 for some "interesting" viewpoints from some of Trumps more extreme female supporters .

[wpj]

History repeating.........

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-war-tehran-iran-middle-east-conflict-nuclear-arms-deal-a9674386.html

[Ozyhibby]

I see Steve Bannon has now been arrested for fraud. The minute Trump loses his pardon power they are all going to turn on him badly. If he doesn’t win in November I can’t see him staying out of jail.


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[One Day Soon]

I see Steve Bannon has now been arrested for fraud. The minute Trump loses his pardon power they are all going to turn on him badly. If he doesn’t win in November I can’t see him staying out of jail.


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Money on that. Except, except, except....it's probably cleaner for the US to pardon him on the basis that he goes quietly away - Nixon style. The problem though is that Trump is undoutedly incapable of that - he is literally his own worst enemy.

[Moulin Yarns]

I see Steve Bannon has now been arrested for fraud. The minute Trump loses his pardon power they are all going to turn on him badly. If he doesn’t win in November I can’t see him staying out of jail.


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a link to the story.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53853297

[Tobias Funke]

I see Steve Bannon has now been arrested for fraud. The minute Trump loses his pardon power they are all going to turn on him badly. If he doesn’t win in November I can’t see him staying out of jail.


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Not the first time in recent days Bannon has been linked with criminal activity;

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1237155

Sadly swept under the carpet by Trumps lackeys. One legal analyst (and 30 year career prosecutor in the US) predicts this could be revisited if Trump leaves the WH in January. That will depend on how much pardon power Trump has before he leaves, if he knows those close to him are in legal jeopardy once/if he’s out of office can he pardon them in advance?

[Ozyhibby]

Not the first time in recent days Bannon has been linked with criminal activity;

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1237155

Sadly swept under the carpet by Trumps lackeys. One legal analyst (and 30 year career prosecutor in the US) predicts this could be revisited if Trump leaves the WH in January. That will depend on how much pardon power Trump has before he leaves, if he knows those close to him are in legal jeopardy once/if he’s out of office can he pardon them in advance?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200820/7725fdc0f321cf8e6bd9dcf6239539a6.jpg


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[Tobias Funke]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200820/7725fdc0f321cf8e6bd9dcf6239539a6.jpg


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Cheers.

Found this in regards to Bannon, hypocrisy beyond belief;

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/08/that-time-steve-bannon-accused-the-clintons-of-corruption-and-money-laundering/

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/keejayov2/status/1296548895187763203?s=21


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[Bristolhibby]

Not the first time in recent days Bannon has been linked with criminal activity;

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1237155

Sadly swept under the carpet by Trumps lackeys. One legal analyst (and 30 year career prosecutor in the US) predicts this could be revisited if Trump leaves the WH in January. That will depend on how much pardon power Trump has before he leaves, if he knows those close to him are in legal jeopardy once/if he’s out of office can he pardon them in advance?

BTW one person who can supersede and override the justice system is utter ballox BTW.

What an affront to the rule of law. Nobody should be above the law. Even the President.

J

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/keejayov2/status/1296548895187763203?s=21


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'm no international law expert but i imagine going to war with a county and then keeping there natural resources surley violates something

But wait... SHARKS!

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1296820737521717248?s=21


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[Keith_M]

Pretty desperate article in The Guardian on Donald Trump today (has The Guardian 'jumped the shark'?)

"Trump confirms Stormy Daniels claim that he's terrified of sharks" (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/21/donald-trump-sharks-speech-stormy-daniels)

By all means, point out his many failings but this is just coming over as obsessive hatred, similar to their policy that every single article that mentions Corbyn must contain the words 'anti-semitism'

[Ozyhibby]

Pretty desperate article in The Guardian on Donald Trump today (has The Guardian 'jumped the shark'?)

"Trump confirms Stormy Daniels claim that he's terrified of sharks" (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/21/donald-trump-sharks-speech-stormy-daniels)

By all means, point out his many failings but this is just coming over as obsessive hatred, similar to their policy that every single article that mentions Corbyn must contain the words 'anti-semitism'

To be fair, at the time she did claim, rather bizarrely, that he was afraid of sharks.


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[Keith_M]

To be fair, at the time she did claim, rather bizarrely, that he was afraid of sharks.



So Trump doesn't like sharks. Sorry, but what does this prove exactly?

:dunno:

[lapsedhibee]

So Trump doesn't like sharks. Sorry, but what does this prove exactly?

:dunno:

It may be to do with his speech when he spoke in the same breath about pillaging the Middle East and his dislike of sharks. Think it was pretty clear that he was more concerned about the sharks. Bit of a perspective bypass perhaps? :dunno:

[Hibernia&Alba]

Competition for the title of craziest Republican candidate, following the Q Anon lady. This nutcase is actually their candidate for the U.S. Senate! Social distancing is a Marxist conspiracy. Poor old Karl gets blamed for everything, though he died 150 years ago:



https://youtu.be/QP4ODn4KMH8

[RyeSloan]

Competition for the title of craziest Republican candidate, following the Q Anon lady. This nutcase is actually their candidate for the U.S. Senate! Social distancing is a Marxist conspiracy. Poor old Karl gets blamed for everything, though he died 150 years ago:



https://youtu.be/QP4ODn4KMH8

Genius...wearing masks in a pandemic will turn us in zombies!

There are a few classic phrases from Jo as well.

Lots of talk about the undefined them and they being the nefarious oppressors. They are trying to do this...if we let them do that then this bad thing happens etc.

Then the classic denial of being a conspiracist because it’s what she believes and it’s her views. The absolute definition of someone who believes conspiracies is someone who denies the large body of evidence available due to putting their own personal observations and beliefs in front of everything!

[Keith_M]

It may be to do with his speech when he spoke in the same breath about pillaging the Middle East and his dislike of sharks. Think it was pretty clear that he was more concerned about the sharks. Bit of a perspective bypass perhaps? :dunno:


Yeah, that sounds like Trump.

[cabbageandribs1875]

BTW one person who can supersede and override the justice system is utter ballox BTW.

What an affront to the rule of law. Nobody should be above the law. Even the President.

J

Barack obama is the supreme king of pardons,commutations/clemency, he granted 330 commutations on his last full day in office, he issued more commutations than the previous 13 presidents combined, overall he issued 1,927 pardons/clemency/commutations etc..all from wikapedia, bill clinton pardoned 450, and i bet ghislaine maxwell is desperate for trump to get re-elected, which he won't be :greengrin

[Future17]

Barack obama is the supreme king of pardons,commutations/clemency, he granted 330 commutations on his last full day in office, he issued more commutations than the previous 13 presidents combined, overall he issued 1,927 pardons/clemency/commutations etc..all from wikapedia, bill clinton pardoned 450, and i bet ghislaine maxwell is desperate for trump to get re-elected, which he won't be :greengrin

Unfortunately, he doesn't need to be re-elected in order to pardon her.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Unfortunately, he doesn't need to be re-elected in order to pardon her.

he will be out of office on the 3rd Nov surely she will stillbe going through court appearances/appeals whatever for the next several months ? i've no idea when she's next due in court

[jonty]

Barack obama is the supreme king of pardons,commutations/clemency, he granted 330 commutations on his last full day in office, he issued more commutations than the previous 13 presidents combined, overall he issued 1,927 pardons/clemency/commutations etc..all from wikapedia, bill clinton pardoned 450, and i bet ghislaine maxwell is desperate for trump to get re-elected, which he won't be :greengrin


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/barack-obama-pardon-330-criminals-final-week-office/


Although President Obama set a record for the most commutations in history, his total of 212 pardons was well below that of many of his predecessors. Bill Clinton issued 396 pardons, Ronald Reagan 393, and the all-time record goes to Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who issued 2,819 pardons during his 12 years (not 16) in office. George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush were the only presidents of the modern era who issued fewer pardons than Barack Obama.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/barack-obama-pardon-330-criminals-final-week-office/



flippin heck, go FDR :eek:

that's a mega-long article, i'l peruse it later on :)

[jonty]

flippin heck, go FDR :eek:

that's a mega-long article, i'l peruse it later on :)

I found it really quite interesting - almost enough to make me interested in american politics again. almost. :greengrin

[neil7908]

For me regardless of whether you are on the left or right, the idea that one person can pardon someone for a crime is mental.

[Future17]

he will be out of office on the 3rd Nov surely she will stillbe going through court appearances/appeals whatever for the next several months ? i've no idea when she's next due in court

In the US, the President can pardon someone for offences they’ve yet to be convicted of. They don't even have to have been indicted.

[cabbageandribs1875]

In the US, the President can pardon someone for offences they’ve yet to be convicted of. They don't even have to have been indicted.

that is just so crazy, it must totally p*** off law enforcement agencies. i've got a feeling trump will jyst go super daft on his last day

[lapsedhibee]

In the US, the President can pardon someone for offences they’ve yet to be convicted of.
Including himself? :dunno:

[stokesmessiah]

that is just so crazy, it must totally p*** off law enforcement agencies. i've got a feeling trump will jyst go super daft on his last day

He will go super daft the last two months he is in office!!

[Future17]

Including himself? :dunno:

That depends who you ask. The problem with accepting a pardon is that it's considered to amount to accepting guilt...but I doubt he'd care, especially considering the alternative.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1297951639853244417?s=21

Trump laughs as one of his supporters calls Obama a monkey.


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[wpj]

https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1297951639853244417?s=21

Trump laughs as one of his supporters calls Obama a monkey.


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Looking at Twitter it looks like it's no longer available

[Sir David Gray]

Looking at Twitter it looks like it's no longer available

The general consensus from a quick look on Twitter suggests the person shouted "spygate" and not "monkey".

I've not seen the video but this may explain why it's been taken down.

[AT8]

The guy shouted, “spygate”, it was clear as day. I know that 99.9% of you here hate Trump, but you have to admit, this story is a classic case of fake news.

[CropleyWasGod]

Seems pretty clear to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4Ws2Wgu0wE

[neil7908]

Seems pretty clear to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4Ws2Wgu0wE

Jesus Christ. What a pathetic, nasty racist piece of garbage. And all the folk that laughed as well.

[CropleyWasGod]

Jesus Christ. What a pathetic, nasty racist piece of garbage. And all the folk that laughed as well.

Whit?

[AT8]

Jesus Christ. What a pathetic, nasty racist piece of garbage. And all the folk that laughed as well.

Are you for real? You honestly heard the word monkey being shouted?

[Hibrandenburg]

The guy shouted, “spygate”, it was clear as day. I know that 99.9% of you here hate Trump, but you have to admit, this story is a classic case of fake news.

It's a bit like "Brainstorm" or "Green Needle", you hear what you want. But Trump's comment about that it could only happen in North Carolina kind of suggests it's not Spygate that he heard.

[CropleyWasGod]

It's a bit like "Brainstorm" or "Green Needle", you hear what you want. But Trump's comment about that it could only happen in North Carolina kind of suggests it's not Spygate that he heard.

Trump repeats the word. He says "spygate"

[Future17]

Are you for real? You honestly heard the word monkey being shouted?

That's what I hear, but it's not great quality audio. I don't think Trump heard "spygate" though judging by his reaction.

[Callum_62]

I hear spygate to be fair

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[neil7908]

Whit?

Just to be clear, that comment was aimed at Trump. I'm not sure why I'm shocked hearing that after everything he's done but it's mind blowing that the most powerful person in the world reacted like that to a black man being called a monkey.

[neil7908]

Are you for real? You honestly heard the word monkey being shouted?

I 100% heard monkey. I actually played it back several times to make absolutely sure.

[Ozyhibby]

I hear spygate to be fair

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I heard monkey first time but now you have said spy gate I hear that. Weird.


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[CropleyWasGod]

Just to be clear, that comment was aimed at Trump. I'm not sure why I'm shocked hearing that after everything he's done but it's mind blowing that the most powerful person in the world reacted like that to a black man being called a monkey.

It's Spygate to me. Both the shouter and him.

[Future17]

Trump repeats the word. He says "spygate"

He's not repeating what was shouted, he's continuing what he was saying before the interruption distracted him.

[CropleyWasGod]

He's not repeating what was shouted, he's continuing what he was saying before the interruption distracted him.

Watch again. He says it quietly.

[Future17]

Watch again. He says it quietly.

I agree Trump says "Spygate" - which is what he was talking about before the interruption. Why would Trump react that way to someone shouting "Spygate" when he was talking about Spygate?

[CropleyWasGod]

I agree Trump says "Spygate" - which is what he was talking about before the interruption. Why would Trump react that way to someone shouting "Spygate" when he was talking about Spygate?

He's a fud. 😁

[Future17]

He's a fud. 😁

Well, I also agree with that. :greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

I can't stand Trump but I honestly can't hear "monkey" being shouted. I only hear "spygate".

[Hibrandenburg]

I can't stand Trump but I honestly can't hear "monkey" being shouted. I only hear "spygate".

I've heard both and if you think one before listening then you'll hear that.

[CropleyWasGod]

https://youtu.be/s2n87YKSjrA

[Saturday Boy]

“Monkey “ will this turn out to be Trump’s water margin gate.

[lapsedhibee]

Hard to know what he meant by "only in North Carolina" but probably more serious long term was his claim, shortly after, that the only way he could lose the election would be if it's rigged. Coming pretty close to inciting some of his base to violence in November.

[DaveF]

No idea how anyone heard monkey from that clip.

[hibsbollah]

“Monkey “ will this turn out to be Trump’s water margin gate.

Trump can be Pigsy.

[lapsedhibee]

The guy shouted, “spygate”, it was clear as day. I know that 99.9% of you here hate Trump, but you have to admit, this story is a classic case of fake news.

Not at all a classic case of fake news, since the tweet was very quickly removed. When did your hero ever correct any of the false information he's been spreading around for the last four years? :dunno:

[RyeSloan]

No idea how anyone heard monkey from that clip.

Well I did but that’s because I had been told what was said before hand...the audio is a bit fuzzy so being told it was monkey I’m pretty sure that’s what I heard.

Reading on and seeing it was spygate I listened again and to be fair it kind of sounds a bit like that as well.

I then tried to blank my mind and listen to it ‘without prejudice’....when I did that I’m pretty sure that I’d have struggled to clearly determine what was said if I hadn’t been fed the two options previously.


So in summary I’ve no idea what the dude said or why Trump found it funny.

[Mibbes Aye]

I thought he said ‘Rosebud’ myself :greengrin

[-Jonesy-]

https://twitter.com/rightwingwatch/status/1298078919749521409?s=21

In an evening full of insane speeches at the RNC, Kimberley Guilfoyle outshines them all.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/rightwingwatch/status/1298078919749521409?s=21

In an evening full of insane speeches at the RNC, Kimberley Guilfoyle outshines them all.

Can’t be easy doing that in front of an empty hall. A speaking style that would have made Hitler proud.[emoji23]


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[grunt]

https://twitter.com/rightwingwatch/status/1298078919749521409?s=21

In an evening full of insane speeches at the RNC, Kimberley Guilfoyle outshines them all.I'm eternally grateful I don't live in the US.

[hibsbollah]

https://twitter.com/rightwingwatch/status/1298078919749521409?s=21

In an evening full of insane speeches at the RNC, Kimberley Guilfoyle outshines them all.

The world has changed.
Remember when we thought Sarah Palin was mad? She’s like Barbara Bush compared to these psychos.

[stokesmessiah]

https://twitter.com/rightwingwatch/status/1298078919749521409?s=21

In an evening full of insane speeches at the RNC, Kimberley Guilfoyle outshines them all.

That is just so weird it’s not even funny. What confuses me the most is that Trump has done hee haw to peoples lives in the first 4 years, who in gods name believes he would do anything in a 2nd term.

[Mon Dieu4]

https://twitter.com/rightwingwatch/status/1298078919749521409?s=21

In an evening full of insane speeches at the RNC, Kimberley Guilfoyle outshines them all.

I saw someone compare it to Robocop or Starship Troopers which is spot on, it's like social satire that Paul Verhoeven would put in one of his films

[JeMeSouviens]

That is just so weird it’s not even funny. What confuses me the most is that Trump has done hee haw to peoples lives in the first 4 years, who in gods name believes he would do anything in a 2nd term.

Do not underestimate what people are willing to have society at large put up with in order to protect their personal wealth.

[Callum_62]

Do not underestimate what people are willing to have society at large put up with in order to protect their personal wealth.Il never forget our incredibly weathly treasurer (like super rich, massive house off princess Street, holiday home down south of England etc) coming out his office doing a jig when the tories went into coilition with the DUP

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[Bristolhibby]

Hard to know what he meant by "only in North Carolina" but probably more serious long term was his claim, shortly after, that the only way he could lose the election would be if it's rigged. Coming pretty close to inciting some of his base to violence in November.

Listening again it sounds like “Spy Gate”. However I did here “Monkey” the first time. Must be like the “Laurel” and “Yannie” a whole back.

That said, I think Trump heard “Monkey”. Either way, his reaction was wrong.

If Trump heard Spygate, why would he say “be nice” and “only in North Carolina”?

A real President if he thought he heard “Monkey” would be to come down hard on the racist in the crowd.

Not “be nice” & “Only in North Carolina”.

WTF?!?

J

[Jones28]

https://twitter.com/rightwingwatch/status/1298078919749521409?s=21

In an evening full of insane speeches at the RNC, Kimberley Guilfoyle outshines them all.

Fascism with a smile. Absolutely bonkers times in America at the moment.

[CropleyWasGod]

Listening again it sounds like “Spy Gate”. However I did here “Monkey” the first time. Must be like the “Laurel” and “Yannie” a whole back.

That said, I think Trump heard “Monkey”. Either way, his reaction was wrong.

If Trump heard Spygate, why would he say “be nice” and “only in North Carolina”?

A real President if he thought he heard “Monkey” would be to come down hard on the racist in the crowd.

Not “be nice” & “Only in North Carolina”.

WTF?!?

J

Not to be all conspiracy theorist about it, but any chance the YouTube version might have been dubbed?

[AT8]

https://twitter.com/rightwingwatch/status/1298078919749521409?s=21

In an evening full of insane speeches at the RNC, Kimberley Guilfoyle outshines them all.

I have to admit that when she started, I was feeling a sense of pride but that quickly changed to a sense of cringe, quickly followed by utter embarrassment. I'm sure she thought that channeling her inner Mussolini sounded like a great idea, but ultimately, she made a complete fool of herself. Incidentally, I used to think she was hot piece of ass but my God, what has she done to herself? She looked a right state last night.

[Kato]

, what has she done to herself?

Overdone the sniff a few too many years?

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[Glory Lurker]

And there was also the outrage of her boyfriend trying to use the lovely Nessie as an insult. Just what is wrong with these people?

[AT8]

Overdone the sniff a few too many years?

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Quite possibly.

[Bristolhibby]

Woah, calm down love! Great mashup here.

https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1298285841232650241?s=21

J

[Bristolhibby]

Overdone the sniff a few too many years?

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By “a few too many years” do you mean just before she went on stage?

J

[Kato]

By “a few too many years” do you mean just before she went on stage?

JCould be. Look at the holes it makes in people's septums. It does similar to the brain. Too long a "career" with that stuff makes people more and more selfish.

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[Future17]

Incidentally, I used to think she was hot piece of ass but my God, what has she done to herself? She looked a right state last night.

The 80s just called for you. They want their lingo back.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/crimethinc/status/1298695207744155649?s=19

The boy, the 17 year old boy who murdered 2 people in wisconsin the other night is wanted by some Republicans as POTUS.

[lapsedhibee]

https://twitter.com/crimethinc/status/1298695207744155649?s=19

The boy, the 17 year old boy who murdered 2 people in wisconsin the other night is wanted by some Republicans as POTUS.

Yep, full on MAGA man: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/kenosha-suspect-kyle-rittenhouse-trump-rally

[wpj]

Well, he has been arrested and may have to serve jail time. Doubt he will get out intact he'll not last 5 mins the stupid prick

[RyeSloan]

Well, he has been arrested and may have to serve jail time. Doubt he will get out intact he'll not last 5 mins the stupid prick

And that’s just for his footwear alone!

[Moulin Yarns]

Well, he has been arrested and may have to serve jail time. Doubt he will get out intact he'll not last 5 mins the stupid prick

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/27/us/kenosha-wisconsin-shooting-suspect/index.html

You couldn't make it up.

[Keith_M]

No idea how anyone heard monkey from that clip.


Because that's apparently what some people want to hear.

The guy shouted spy-gate.

(Keep in mind that I can't stand Trump)

[Future17]

Because that's apparently what some people want to hear.

The guy shouted spy-gate.

(Keep in mind that I can't stand Trump)

Why would anyone "want to" hear that?

[hibsbollah]

‘Pure derangement’.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/27/republican-convention-lies-trump-rnc

[Keith_M]

Why would anyone "want to" hear that?


Because they've been told he said it and already hate Trump so much they'll believe anything.



(again, for the avoidance of doubt, not a Trump supporter)

[Future17]

Because they've been told he said it and already hate Trump so much they'll believe anything.



(again, for the avoidance of doubt, not a Trump supporter)

I think that's harsh. I'm also not a Trump supporter but, if the guy was saying "monkey", I wouldn't blame Trump for that anymore that I would blame Hibs for some of the stuff I hear at Easter Road.

For balance, the other day all I could hear was "monkey". I've listened again just now and all I can hear is "spygate". I think someone has changed the audio! :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

Because that's apparently what some people want to hear.

The guy shouted spy-gate.

(Keep in mind that I can't stand Trump)

I hear both. If I think monkey I hear monkey, if I think spygate I hear spygate. So I guess you're right but it works both ways.

[Hibrandenburg]

Donald J Trump the greatest president in the history of all time.


https://youtu.be/2b4eP3_aDQM

[Colr]

This time in 2016

WI: Clinton +9.3
PA: Clinton +7.6
NC: Clinton +1.3
FL: Clinton +3.6
Mich: Clinton +8.6
OH: Clinton +3.2

This week:

WI: Biden +3.5
PA: Biden +4.7
NC: Trump +0.3
FL: Biden +3.7
MI: Biden +2.6
OH: Biden +2.3

[JeMeSouviens]

This time in 2016

WI: Clinton +9.3
PA: Clinton +7.6
NC: Clinton +1.3
FL: Clinton +3.6
Mich: Clinton +8.6
OH: Clinton +3.2

This week:

WI: Biden +3.5
PA: Biden +4.7
NC: Trump +0.3
FL: Biden +3.7
MI: Biden +2.6
OH: Biden +2.3

Where are you getting those numbers? Are they individual polls?

fivethirtyeight's state polling averages have:

Wisconsin - Biden +5.9
Penn - Biden +5.4
NC - Biden +1.5
Florida - Biden +5.2
Michigan - Biden +6.9
Ohio - Trump +0.7


Plus at this time in 2016 the FBI hadn't made the unprecedented intervention that Hillary couldn't recover from. Which is not to say something similar couldn't torpedo Joe, but it hasn't yet.

[hibeedc]

Where are you getting those numbers? Are they individual polls?

fivethirtyeight's state polling averages have:

Wisconsin - Biden +5.9
Penn - Biden +5.4
NC - Biden +1.5
Florida - Biden +5.2
Michigan - Biden +6.9
Ohio - Trump +0.7


Plus at this time in 2016 the FBI hadn't made the unprecedented intervention that Hillary couldn't recover from. Which is not to say something similar couldn't torpedo Joe, but it hasn't yet.

For someone who is such a big underdog you are not getting great odds for a Trump victory at the bookies.

[neil7908]

For someone who is such a big underdog you are not getting great odds for a Trump victory at the bookies.

Trump is trying to move the conversation from the economy and covid where he knows he'll lose, to law and order, culture wars etc that have served him well in the past.

I think this is election hangs on who is able to control the narrative and what issues are focused on.

Trump shouldn't stand a chance but I'm increasingly worried in the last couple of weeks.

[JeMeSouviens]

For someone who is such a big underdog you are not getting great odds for a Trump victory at the bookies.

Unprecedented times, innit.

Things going for Trump

- the electoral college is now quite slanted toward the Republicans. Biden needs a 2-3 % lead just to be level.
- up until Covid the economy was going fairly well
- Biden is pretty hopeless
- the culture war


Things going against Trump

- Covid
- he's an arse of unprecedented magnitude
- the culture war


I think the culture war aspect will lead to the race tightening as the "tribes" clump together but, in the end, I think Biden will win because he doesn't engender anything like the knee jerk negative response that Hillary or Trump himself do.


There is also potential for a black swan. I would be frankly astonished if Trump doesn't license a Covid vaccine the week before the election whether it works or not. :rolleyes:

[hibsbollah]

Reporter asks if President Trump condemns the actions of Kyle Rittenhouse, the teen charged for killing two protesters in Kenosha, Wisconsin. McEnany: "The president is not going to weigh in on that". CBS.

[lapsedhibee]

cbs.

ffs.

[Hibrandenburg]

Reporter asks if President Trump condemns the actions of Kyle Rittenhouse, the teen charged for killing two protesters in Kenosha, Wisconsin. McEnany: "The president is not going to weigh in on that". CBS.

That's incitement, utterly diabolical. Straight out of the 1933 playbook, cause chaos and claim to be the only person who can ensure law and order.

[CropleyWasGod]

That's incitement, utterly diabolical. Straight out of the 1933 playbook, cause chaos and claim to be the only person who can ensure law and order.

Would it really be appropriate for Trump to make any comment on an ongoing criminal case?

Nixon did that in 1969, and Charlie Manson almost walked free as a result.

[Hibrandenburg]

Would it really be appropriate for Trump to make any comment on an ongoing criminal case?

Nixon did that in 1969, and Charlie Manson almost walked free as a result.

Good point, but he could have made a general statement condemning people taking the law into their own hands.

[hibsbollah]

That's incitement, utterly diabolical. Straight out of the 1933 playbook, cause chaos and claim to be the only person who can ensure law and order.

It’s really happening isn’t it? Some people seem to think racist and fascist are just terms of abuse, that you get to stamp your feet about if you’re called out for it because it’s rude and ‘crosses a line’. Instead of acknowledging that its a description of actual behaviour thats now actually ****ing commonplace, the inevitable consequence being authoritarian government and a police state.

[hibsbollah]

Would it really be appropriate for Trump to make any comment on an ongoing criminal case?

Nixon did that in 1969, and Charlie Manson almost walked free as a result.

Sadly, he’s not got a great record for avoiding prejudicial ejaculations in the press...

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/aug/31/yusef-salaam-trump-would-have-had-me-hanging-from-a-tree-in-central-park (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/aug/31/yusef-salaam-trump-would-have-had-me-hanging-from-a-tree-in-central-park)

[Hibrandenburg]

It’s really happening isn’t it? Some people seem to think racist and fascist are just terms of abuse, that you get to stamp your feet about if you’re called out for it because it’s rude and ‘crosses a line’. Instead of acknowledging that its a description of actual behaviour thats now actually ****ing commonplace, the inevitable consequence being authoritarian government and a police state.

It certainly looks like we're sleepwalking into it. In Trump's case I don't think he set out to do it but there's people advising him that have gently nudged him in that direction and now he's too far to back out. He's now so terrified of what might happen to him after he has to give up the presidency, that he'll try and hang onto it as long as he can whatever the price.

[hibsbollah]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=OwrH_HEZQnc

[Hibs Class]

Reporter asks if President Trump condemns the actions of Kyle Rittenhouse, the teen charged for killing two protesters in Kenosha, Wisconsin. McEnany: "The president is not going to weigh in on that". CBS.

Having indicated that Trump would not weigh in, Trump went on to weigh in

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-53980128

[BroxburnHibee]

You'd think given what we've witnessed for the last 4 years that Biden would be skooshing it in the polls.

The fact he isn't is worrying.

2 elections running the Democrats have had the wrong candidate and it may well cost them.

[bigwheel]

You'd think given what we've witnessed for the last 4 years that Biden would be skooshing it in the polls.

The fact he isn't is worrying.

2 elections running the Democrats have had the wrong candidate and it may well cost them.

Yes, think it will be tight. I guess that 85% plus of voters are fixed in who they will vote for ..likely only a small amount will determine the result either way....


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[JeMeSouviens]

You'd think given what we've witnessed for the last 4 years that Biden would be skooshing it in the polls.

The fact he isn't is worrying.

2 elections running the Democrats have had the wrong candidate and it may well cost them.

To be fair, Biden *is* skooshing it in the polls by any normal measure. His current 7% average lead is roughly the margin Obama beat McCain by.

But that's fallen from 10% most of the year and people are getting jittery because of how much is at stake.

[Jones28]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/29/michael-moore-donald-trump-repeat-2016-warning

Moore isn't everyone's cup of tea but he got it bang on the money in the last election. For anyone who hasn't see it his Netflix documentary is frightening.

[grunt]

The President claims people in the dark shadows who control the streets are really controlling Biden. He goes on to talk about a plane full of people wearing black uniforms but then says he can’t reveal anymore because it’s under investigation

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1300620978305736704?s=20

[hibsbollah]

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1300620978305736704?s=20

It’s a logical progression for him. There are literally millions of QAnon ‘followers’ according to Facebook, it makes sense to keep going with the nods and winks to a wider deep state conspiracy. You’re never going to disprove it, personally I can’t say it definitively ISNT true.

[bigwheel]

It’s a logical progression for him. There are literally millions of QAnon ‘followers’ according to Facebook, it makes sense to keep going with the nods and winks to a wider deep state conspiracy. You’re never going to disprove it, personally I can’t say it definitively ISNT true.

It’s quite brilliant in a very dark, dangerous and divisive way ...makes you wonder who is the architect behind this divide and rule strategy is ?

[Ronniekirk]

You'd think given what we've witnessed for the last 4 years that Biden would be skooshing it in the polls.

The fact he isn't is worrying.

2 elections running the Democrats have had the wrong candidate and it may well cost them.

I predict more riots as Trump seems to feel that this is helping his cause And gives him ammunition to criticise Black Lives Matter and Tao into the psyche of those that see this not about injustice and Civil Rights , but about defending The Real America
Also a lot of the Conspiracy theorist groups love him and see him as cleaning up the Swamp and speaking out against a Global Agenda
So he seems to be making. Come back
I can’t stand him personally but he isn’t just going to go quietly that’s fir sure


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[BroxburnHibee]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/29/michael-moore-donald-trump-repeat-2016-warning

Moore isn't everyone's cup of tea but he got it bang on the money in the last election. For anyone who hasn't see it his Netflix documentary is frightening.

Just watched it. The comparisons with the rise of the Nazis are as clear as day.

Sadly I think the UK is heading in that direction too.

[Hibrandenburg]

It’s quite brilliant in a very dark, dangerous and divisive way ...makes you wonder who is the architect behind this divide and rule strategy is ?

It worked in the 1930's, why not today?

[bigwheel]

It worked in the 1930's, why not today?

And in the brexit and 2016 US elections.... a modern equivalent of 1930s is happening for sure.


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[hibsbollah]

It’s quite brilliant in a very dark, dangerous and divisive way ...makes you wonder who is the architect behind this divide and rule strategy is ?

:agree: Its what happens when you have a strategy of demonisation, along with removing the traditional burden of proof. Trump knows he can repeat claims of far left puppets, anarchists and the Democratic Party being in league, men in black in planes in the shadows, but in the age of social media the burden of proof has now magically switched to being on the accused, not the accuser :dunno: You’ve seen this time and again in politics in recent years. Demonise and then make them disprove it. Fascism Playbook.

[JeMeSouviens]

:agree: Its what happens when you have a strategy of demonisation, along with removing the traditional burden of proof. Trump knows he can repeat claims of far left puppets, anarchists and the Democratic Party being in league, men in black in planes in the shadows, but in the age of social media the burden of proof has now magically switched to being on the accused, not the accuser :dunno: You’ve seen this time and again in politics in recent years. Demonise and then make them disprove it. Fascism Playbook.

"Fake news" is a nazi thing too - they called it "Lügenpresse" (lying press).

[hibsbollah]

"Fake news" is a nazi thing too - they called it "Lügenpresse" (lying press).

Yes, I’m sure it was a very similar environment in the 30s. I bet the burden of proof for the claim that Jews were a subhuman race controlling the world financial system wasn’t on the Nazis. The way news is distributed nowadays just makes it a more powerful tactic.

[Hibrandenburg]

Yes, I’m sure it was a very similar environment in the 30s. I bet the burden of proof for the claim that Jews were a subhuman race controlling the world financial system wasn’t on the Nazis. The way news is distributed nowadays just makes it a more powerful tactic.

Fascism can only really flourish in a society that is already on a downward trend. If you can convince the majority that a minority are to blame for all their woes, then you're half way there. Problem is that once in power they need to be seen to be doing something to correct the imaginary wrongs, that's when things get messy.

[bigwheel]

Fascism can only really flourish in a society that is already on a downward trend. If you can convince the majority that a minority are to blame for all their woes, then you're half way there. Problem is that once in power they need to be seen to be doing something to correct the imaginary wrongs, that's when things get messy.

You also get a chance to control a lot of the narrative too when in power ..it can take a long time for people’s perceptions to change once they are convinced there’s a problem ...

[Ozyhibby]

https://morningconsult.com/2020/09/01/battleground-presidential-polling-post-conventions/

Polls are pretty much unchanged since the conventions. Biden leads by about 8 points.
I think Michael Moore deliberately singled out a poll by a company known to favour Trump to try motivate democrats to campaign harder.


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[Hibrandenburg]

You also get a chance to control a lot of the narrative too when in power ..it can take a long time for people’s perceptions to change once they are convinced there’s a problem ...

:agree: This is where Trump is now having trouble. The social media that helped him get elected works both ways unless you can control it. Even the MSM has all but turned against him and it's influence is still relevant if somewhat a shadow of its previous self.

[Hibs Class]

“It’s under investigation” seems to be Trump’s latest go-to phrase, which allows him to make any wild accusations or statements whilst suggesting a measured fact-based response.

[neil7908]

“It’s under investigation” seems to be Trump’s latest go-to phrase, which allows him to make any wild accusations or statements whilst suggesting a measured fact-based response.

But he can't release his tax returns because they are under audit 🙄

[Hibernia&Alba]

This is what Trump's sycophants in Congress have been reduced to: unable to bring themselves to condemn a seventeen year old kid murdering two people in cold blood, for fear his electorate won't like it. What an incredible state of affairs.


https://youtu.be/7n5brpnxcyg

[grunt]

The 45th Amendment: the right to carry soup:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg2lBNkUMAU3xLq?format=png&name=large

[Colr]

"Fake news" is a nazi thing too - they called it "Lügenpresse" (lying press).

Goring once proposed a wall round Germany to keep immigrants out.

Can’t recall who he said would pay for it.

[easty]

https://mobile.twitter.com/gregorybrothers/status/1300967931975733248

[Keith_M]

https://mobile.twitter.com/gregorybrothers/status/1300967931975733248


The need to ban tins of soup.

Clearly, Antifa and Biden (and possibly Marx) are behind all the Soup manufacturers.

[EAZY-ME]

This is what Trump's sycophants in Congress have been reduced to: unable to bring themselves to condemn a seventeen year old kid murdering two people in cold blood, for fear his electorate won't like it. What an incredible state of affairs.


https://youtu.be/7n5brpnxcyg

Sorry but he never killed them in cold blood.. he was attacked and in fear of his life... not condoning his actions but it wasnt cold blood..... not hearing much about the trump supporter shot dead in the street at point blank range. Totally unarmed and simply because he was identified as a trump supporter . That's cold blood

[Ozyhibby]

Sorry but he never killed them in cold blood.. he was attacked and in fear of his life... not condoning his actions but it wasnt cold blood..... not hearing much about the trump supporter shot dead in the street at point blank range. Totally unarmed and simply because he was identified as a trump supporter . That's cold blood

He travelled 30 miles to another state with an illegal assault rifle to be there? Self defence?[emoji23]
Good chance Trump will try pardon him in January although I’m sure murder can be tried at state level so he may not be able to.


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[Callum_62]

Sorry but he never killed them in cold blood.. he was attacked and in fear of his life... not condoning his actions but it wasnt cold blood..... not hearing much about the trump supporter shot dead in the street at point blank range. Totally unarmed and simply because he was identified as a trump supporter . That's cold blood

What trump supporter was murdered because he was a trump supporter?

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[Callum_62]

He travelled 30 miles to another state with an illegal assault rifle to be there? Self defence?[emoji23]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHe was terrified for his life

Just like they Rangers fans who were terrified to be locked outside Rugby Park so had to force themselves in

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[DaveF]

Sorry but he never killed them in cold blood.. he was attacked and in fear of his life... not condoning his actions but it wasnt cold blood..... not hearing much about the trump supporter shot dead in the street at point blank range. Totally unarmed and simply because he was identified as a trump supporter . That's cold blood

Portland one or Milwaukee?

Actually it doesn't really matter as you seem to be playing some daft 'well what about this' type game. People are dying and this divise idiot in charge is largely culpable is helping sow the seeds of resentment.

[Mon Dieu4]

He travelled 30 miles to another state with an illegal assault rifle to be there? Self defence?[emoji23]
Good chance Trump will try pardon him in January although I’m sure murder can be tried at state level so he may not be able to.


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That part is now contested, his defence team are stating that he actually worked at a swimming pool in Kenosha so was there almost every day and his employers asked him to help protect things and that no gun actually ever crossed state lines

[Moulin Yarns]

That part is now contested, his defence team are stating that he actually worked at a swimming pool in Kenosha so was there almost every day and his employers asked him to help protect things and that no gun actually ever crossed state lines

If he was asked by a swimming pool to protect things why was he roaming the streets around car dealerships? And where did the gun come from? and he was still under legal age to have a firearm on the streets. And he still murdered 2 and seriously injured a 3rd.

[Callum_62]

That part is now contested, his defence team are stating that he actually worked at a swimming pool in Kenosha so was there almost every day and his employers asked him to help protect things and that no gun actually ever crossed state linesWas he a security guard?

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[Mon Dieu4]

If he was asked by a swimming pool to protect things why was he roaming the streets around car dealerships? And where did the gun come from? and he was still under legal age to have a firearm on the streets. And he still murdered 2 and seriously injured a 3rd.

These are answers his team will have to provide, they are clearly going with the self defence approach to this one

Im not sticking up for him, he's clearly a wee ******** but just saying what the current state of play in the case is

[Mon Dieu4]

Was he a security guard?

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Lifeguard strangely enough!

[Callum_62]

Lifeguard strangely enough![emoji23]

I'm an account manager, if my worked asked me to protect things.... Eh, nah.

Or was he tasked with protecting the protesters from drowning? [emoji848]

Guess he accomplished that [emoji106]

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[Mon Dieu4]

[emoji23]

I'm an account manager, if my worked asked me to protect things.... Eh, nah.

Or was he tasked with protecting the protesters from drowning? [emoji848]

Guess he accomplished that [emoji106]

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Yep he clearly fancied himself as a bit of a action hero, from what I've read from both sides of the divide I wouldn't be surprised if he gets away with it as well which is absolutely mental

[bigwheel]

Lifeguard strangely enough!

And he took his gun to work ? And left it there..or did he just borrow one ? ...


Most of the profiles on him state him as a police supporting activist, white power supporter and , in recent times, physical attacker of teenage girls. It doesn’t look or sound like he had a great profile to do the right thing as a “protector” of people .

That said, Dave F’s recent post is the key point here. the whataboutery of different events isn’t helpful. the real issue is that Trump has presided over undermining respect and equality between races and communities and is inciting division and escalation of racial tensions .

[hibsbollah]

Yep he clearly fancied himself as a bit of a action hero, from what I've read from both sides of the divide I wouldn't be surprised if he gets away with it as well which is absolutely mental

He must have loved his leisure centre to get his guns out. Must have been a cut above Leith Water World.

[Mon Dieu4]

And he took his gun to work ? And left it there..or did he just borrow one ? ...


Most of the profiles on him state him as a police supporting activist, white power supporter and , in recent times, physical attacker of teenage girls. It doesn’t look or sound like he had a great profile to do the right thing as a “protector” of people .

That said, Dave F’s recent post is the key point here. the whataboutery of different events isn’t helpful. the real issue is that Trump has presided over undermining respect and equality between races and communities and is inciting division and escalation of racial tensions .

They haven't released all that yet, all they said was he worked in town, had been asked to protect business by his employer and no gun crossed state lines, suppose the rest will come out in the wash

[Mon Dieu4]

He must have loved his leisure centre to get his guns out. Must have been a cut above Leith Water World.

leith waterworld was a class apart but I still wouldn't have defended it :faf:

[Hibs Class]

Sorry but he never killed them in cold blood.. he was attacked and in fear of his life... not condoning his actions but it wasnt cold blood..... not hearing much about the trump supporter shot dead in the street at point blank range. Totally unarmed and simply because he was identified as a trump supporter . That's cold blood

Straight out of the Trump playbook.

[hibsbollah]

leith waterworld was a class apart but I still wouldn't have defended it :faf:

Youd have been picking them off those hipster antifas like it was Stalingrad 1943, stop lying:greengrin

[-Jonesy-]

Sorry but he never killed them in cold blood.. he was attacked and in fear of his life... not condoning his actions but it wasnt cold blood..... not hearing much about the trump supporter shot dead in the street at point blank range. Totally unarmed and simply because he was identified as a trump supporter . That's cold blood

That’s not what happened in Portland though is it?
A 200 strong convoy of trucks full of trump supporters rode into the city and attacked protesters with bear spray and paintballs while being escorted by the police.
The video of the shooting of your “unarmed man” clearly shows the victim and a friend approach a protestor, call him out and then attack him with bear spray before the protestor returns fire. Another video shows the cops kicking away the spray can from his body on the ground.

The whole thing is a horrific **** show but you Can’t play the self defence card for one case and not the other

[matty_f]

Straight out of the Trump playbook.

I like the narrative that the guy that had the assault rifle was the one fearing for his life from someone throwing something at him (not that the person throwing something at a lunatic with an assault rifle would have feared for their life...)

[lapsedhibee]

I like the narrative that the guy that had the assault rifle was the one fearing for his life from someone throwing something at him (not that the person throwing something at a lunatic with an assault rifle would have feared for their life...)

Easy for you to say. You've probably never been threatened with a can of soup.

[Moulin Yarns]

Easy for you to say. You've probably never been threatened with a can of soup.

The Campbells are coming

https://youtu.be/JbkzIPJFDE4

[matty_f]

Easy for you to say. You've probably never been threatened with a can of soup.

You've never met my wife.

She threw a lettuce at me the other day, and that was just the tip of the iceberg...

[Keith_M]

The Campbells are coming

https://youtu.be/JbkzIPJFDE4


It's even worse, it's actually this bunch


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCZJufudz64

[Moulin Yarns]

It's even worse, it's actually this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCZJufudz64) bunch

My wife's granny was an Argyll Campbell. Definitely don't want her chucking her soup at you.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/politidope/status/1300913578254446593?s=21


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[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/politidope/status/1300913578254446593?s=21


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Welcome to the soup party.

I've already said my wife's granny was a Campbell, well, my wife was a Baxter. I knew I was in the soup as soon as I got married.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200902/aae4ea5816ce53ed0ec286be0d82fde2.jpg
Biden averages about an 8 point lead just now.


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[Callum_62]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200902/aae4ea5816ce53ed0ec286be0d82fde2.jpg
Biden averages about an 8 point lead just now.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat won't factor in Soupgate.

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[Colr]

My wife's granny was an Argyll Campbell. Definitely don't want her chucking her soup at you.

The Black Campbells strike again!!

[stokesmessiah]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-53989147?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5f508f517ada0902d827b663%26US%20states %20told%20%27to%20be%20ready%20for%20November%20va ccine%20distribution%27%262020-09-03T06%3A52%3A24.790Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:7ab5eca3-972b-4832-a33a-aae908e6d79c&pinned_post_asset_id=5f508f517ada0902d827b663&pinned_post_type=share

Think someone has mentioned this already. Looks like Trump is trying to get a vaccine out right before the election so he can be the knight in shining armor. An absolutely horrific gamble with public health for one person's gain.

[RyeSloan]

https://twitter.com/politidope/status/1300913578254446593?s=21


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Definitely a case of souped up protests!

[neil7908]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-53989147?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5f508f517ada0902d827b663%26US%20states %20told%20%27to%20be%20ready%20for%20November%20va ccine%20distribution%27%262020-09-03T06%3A52%3A24.790Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:7ab5eca3-972b-4832-a33a-aae908e6d79c&pinned_post_asset_id=5f508f517ada0902d827b663&pinned_post_type=share

Think someone has mentioned this already. Looks like Trump is trying to get a vaccine out right before the election so he can be the knight in shining armor. An absolutely horrific gamble with public health for one person's gain.

I'm actually quite scared it might work and win him the election. If the vaccine does work he's a hero, if it doesn't? Well the FDA or whoever approved it, nothing to do with Trump etc. And we know the Republicans won't oppose him.

I know Biden is ahead in the polls but Trump is no ordinary candidate. All politicians resort to dirty tricks. I fear that even with all the stuff he's done, we've seen but a glimpse of what he's capable of.

And that terrifies me.

[Ronniekirk]

I'm actually quite scared it might work and win him the election. If the vaccine does work he's a hero, if it doesn't? Well the FDA or whoever approved it, nothing to do with Trump etc. And we know the Republicans won't oppose him.

I know Biden is ahead in the polls but Trump is no ordinary candidate. All politicians resort to dirty tricks. I fear that even with all the stuff he's done, we've seen but a glimpse of what he's capable of.

And that terrifies me.

Who in Their right mind would take it zest to big a risk


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[BroxburnHibee]

Trump committed a felony. I'm betting he'll get away with it.

https://twitter.com/kmillstx3/status/1301480710172270592?s=19

[Hibernia&Alba]

What's the latest on the mastermind of Trump's 2016 victory, Steve Bannon, who was arrested for embezzlement of funds donated for private funding of the Mexican border wall?

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/

Americans killed in battle are losers.


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[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/

Americans killed in battle are losers.


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https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-avoided-the-military-draft-which-was-common-at-the-time-vietnam-war-2018-12?r=US&IR=T


Real losers avoid getting killed by being a coward.

[Pretty Boy]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/

Americans killed in battle are losers.


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I just came on to post this.

That should be an unbelievable thing for the US President to say but with the bar set as low as it is now, it really isn't.

[lapsedhibee]

I just came on to post this.

That should be an unbelievable thing for the US President to say but with the bar set as low as it is now, it really isn't.

What he said about McCain years ago, in public, would have ended his political career in reasonable times.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1301902114386395136?s=21


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[Hibs Class]

What he said about McCain years ago, in public, would have ended his political career in reasonable times.

Which he's now denying that he said, even though the film of him saying it, and his tweets, are still there for all to see.