(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[DaveF]

Ah all upset someone else has a different opinion. 😂

No, just genuinely pleased you have someone to share your views with 👍

[jamie_1875]

No, just genuinely pleased you have someone to share your views with 👍

As I say I don't agree with said poster on everything, but I don't agree with the personal abuse and the individual naming or calling out of posters, just like what you are doing as it just leads to conflict.

[DaveF]

As I say I don't agree with said poster on everything, but I don't agree with the personal abuse and the individual naming or calling out of posters, just like what you are doing as it just leads to conflict.

Oh behave, you indulge in it yourself (see your post about 'wait until you talk about Independence).

Sad to see the place descend into a twitter type cesspit in a few hours.

Enjoy yourself with the new guys. I'm out.

[grunt]

Btw the spectacular public fall out between Musk and Trump is as hilarious as it was inevitable.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

jings that's two "this message is hidden because (insert name) is on your ignore list" covering the last few pages



i'm just waiting for the appearance of one more that maybe doesn't realise yet he's allowed back in :cb he'll be back though, i put a tenner on bet365 that he will

[jamie_1875]

Oh behave, you indulge in it yourself (see your post about 'wait until you talk about Independence).

Sad to see the place descend into a twitter type cesspit in a few hours.

Enjoy yourself with the new guys. I'm out.

I never mentioned anyone though, you felt you had to mention me by name and you weren't even replying to me. Farewell.

[Hibrandenburg]

I find him extremely entertaining for one. I agree with his America first outlook and that the rest of the west has been taking advantage of the US taxpayer for too long. I like that he is anti-war and will do business with whoever, he doesn’t feel the need to be the world police. His stance on the border is spot on. He doesn’t speak like a politician and will say it as it is, he is anti-woke and protects women’s spaces and sports. The list could go on and on.


And as for your other question. Your hatred for Trump coupled with your spouting of regurgitated, false claims about him tells me you are probably a millennial bore who gets most of his information from main stream media outlets, which you swallow without question. You believe you are righteous and parrot phrases like being on ‘the right side of history’. You agree with the mainstream position on pretty much every single topic, whilst not realising that it’s all been spoon fed to you and that all your so called opinions align with every big corporation and career politician in the world.

That’s what it says about you, but a bit like what you think liking Trump says about me - it could all be incorrect. Who knows?

Interesting, you claim that Jones is a main stream bore that swallows everything the media throws at him. Yet you then go on to spout the exact same phrases used by the St Petersburg Troll Factory.

I made up a fake social media profile because I wanted to see what was down the rabbit hole, you'd fit in quite nicely if you haven't already got your own little warren.

[Pretty Boy]

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If Musk had come across even a fraction better in the last few months I might even feel a bit sorry for him. He's just another person who has been fooled and used by a man who appears to care little for anyone but himself.

He's in a pretty vulnerable position now. His position within his companies was already under scrutiny. So much of his business success hinges on the cult of personality around him (and the fantastic cars he makes tbf). That ambiguity of whether he is a bold pioneer opening up new frontiers or a cartoon, classically camp Bond Villain. He's already seen a backlash because of his support for Trump. Now he has the same coming the other way; many of those lauding him as a genius and saviour mere days ago will change their mind because Trump tells them to. Those on the other side won't easily forget the Nazi salute and hostile rhetoric. He's managed to piss all sides off with the path he has chosen.

He had to be all in with Trump and back everything. Instead he saved a few million to allow Trump to give his cronies the same millions in tax breaks with a whack of interest on top. A bit of a fool really.

[The Tubs]

If Musk had come across even a fraction better in the last few months I might even feel a bit sorry for him. He's just another person who has been fooled and used by a man who appears to care little for anyone but himself.

He's in a pretty vulnerable position now. His position within his companies was already under scrutiny. So much of his business success hinges on the cult of personality around him (and the fantastic cars he makes tbf). That ambiguity of whether he is a bold pioneer opening up new frontiers or a cartoon, classically camp Bond Villain. He's already seen a backlash because of his support for Trump. Now he has the same coming the other way; many of those lauding him as a genius and saviour mere days ago will change their mind because Trump tells them to. Those on the other side won't easily forget the Nazi salute and hostile rhetoric. He's managed to piss all sides off with the path he has chosen.

He had to be all in with Trump and back everything. Instead he saved a few million to allow Trump to give his cronies the same millions in tax breaks with a whack of interest on top. A bit of a fool really.

The Nazi thing is a bit of a problem but it didn't really hold van Braun back. If his ego can handle working quietly — unlikely — he might still be a very successful entrepreneur, I'd imagine.

It's a relief that the threat of competence in this administration has completely dissipated by June.

[Moulin Yarns]

I must say I’m disappointed the holy ground was closed off to me when the election happened. The tears in here must have been hilarious!

You do realise that you could have contributed by paying to support the website!

[Ozyhibby]

If Musk had come across even a fraction better in the last few months I might even feel a bit sorry for him. He's just another person who has been fooled and used by a man who appears to care little for anyone but himself.

He's in a pretty vulnerable position now. His position within his companies was already under scrutiny. So much of his business success hinges on the cult of personality around him (and the fantastic cars he makes tbf). That ambiguity of whether he is a bold pioneer opening up new frontiers or a cartoon, classically camp Bond Villain. He's already seen a backlash because of his support for Trump. Now he has the same coming the other way; many of those lauding him as a genius and saviour mere days ago will change their mind because Trump tells them to. Those on the other side won't easily forget the Nazi salute and hostile rhetoric. He's managed to piss all sides off with the path he has chosen.

He had to be all in with Trump and back everything. Instead he saved a few million to allow Trump to give his cronies the same millions in tax breaks with a whack of interest on top. A bit of a fool really.

The danger he faces now is the withdrawal of all the govt contracts and subsidies he has, as well as all the investigations in to his companies that were put on hold because of Trump. Trump can do him a lot of harm.


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[CropleyWasGod]

The danger he faces now is the withdrawal of all the govt contracts and subsidies he has, as well as all the investigations in to his companies that were put on hold because of Trump. Trump can do him a lot of harm.


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Equally, I'm sure Elon has a few photies :greengrin

Gonny link some of the investigations? I didn't know about them.

[Ozyhibby]

Equally, I'm sure Elon has a few photies :greengrin

Gonny link some of the investigations? I didn't know about them.

He also has the finances(for now) to fund other campaigns against Maga candidates.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna202848

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2025-03-27/elon-musk-trump-doge-conflicts-of-interest

https://sfstandard.com/2025/02/06/trump-order-stops-tesla-discrimination-investigation/


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[Ozyhibby]

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[CropleyWasGod]

He also has the finances(for now) to fund other campaigns against Maga candidates.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna202848

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2025-03-27/elon-musk-trump-doge-conflicts-of-interest

https://sfstandard.com/2025/02/06/trump-order-stops-tesla-discrimination-investigation/


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Ta :aok:

[Paulie Walnuts]

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How anyone can look at this and think “hes class” is incredible. The guy has the maturity levels of a 5 year old.

[HNA12]

Here's a wee reminder of what was posted up yesterday.


It really shouldn't need saying but as always there will be zero tolerance for any racist, bigoted, homophobic or misogynistic posts. Thankfully that has not been a big problem here.
We do run a football forum here and we don't want to go back to spending as much time deleting posts etc in this place as we did in the past. With that in mind we ask that you please police this place yourselves regarding any childish insults etc. We all get a bit overheated sometimes, when that happens please just step away rather than blasting at someone. We are all grown ups after all.

Admin should only be stepping in here when it concerns the part in bold.
Throwing personal insults at each other merely because you disagree with another persons viewpoint? We are better than that surely. Let's try and keep it respectful.
Thanks.

[s.a.m]

He also has the finances(for now) to fund other campaigns against Maga candidates.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna202848

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2025-03-27/elon-musk-trump-doge-conflicts-of-interest

https://sfstandard.com/2025/02/06/trump-order-stops-tesla-discrimination-investigation/


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Or, hypothetically, a different (perhaps unfriendly) country that he feels matches his needs and ambitions? Musk is, basically, a rootless and impetuous individual - who also happens to be a private US defence contractor, and pissing him off has always seemed to carry a risk.
Maybe they cancel each other out?:dunno::take that

[tamig]

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About time UK sales started to fall.[emoji106]


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Eh? They were down 62% in April!

[Kato]

The danger he faces now is the withdrawal of all the govt contracts and subsidies he has, as well as all the investigations in to his companies that were put on hold because of Trump. Trump can do him a lot of harm.


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[s.a.m]

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So Musk's pressed the Epstein button. Early in the game to cash that chip in...

[Tried to post a link to the post, but failed. He says the reason the DOJ won't release the files is because Trump's in them.]

[Ozyhibby]

Eh? They were down 62% in April!

That will be year on year.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

So Musk's pressed the Epstein button. Early in the game to cash that chip in...

[Tried to post a link to the post, but failed. He says the reason the DOJ won't release the files is because Trump's in them.]

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-disappointed-with-elon-musk-after-he-turned-on-his-big-beautiful-bill-13379714

Let’s be honest here, next to nobody doubted that Trump would be in there.

[Jones28]

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That is deeply satisfying.

James O’Brien called it months ago, but I don’t think anyone expected it to happen so quickly.

[Smartie]

That is deeply satisfying.

James O’Brien called it months ago, but I don’t think anyone expected it to happen so quickly.

I’m surprised it took so long.

Couple of egos there that weren’t ever going to be aligned for long.

[s.a.m]

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-disappointed-with-elon-musk-after-he-turned-on-his-big-beautiful-bill-13379714

Let’s be honest here, next to nobody doubted that Trump would be in there.

:aok:

[s.a.m]

I’m surprised it took so long.

Couple of egos there that weren’t ever going to be aligned for long.

Big egos and extremely thin skins and really easily triggered.

[K-Zazu]

Is it just me or does this fall out between Trump and Musk seem a little bit scripted? Musk distancing himself from Trump so everyone starts buying Tesla again 😂😂

[cabbageandribs1875]

we know he is :agree: Donald Trump 'is in the Epstein files', former ally Elon Musk says | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/25218873.donald-trump-is-epstein-files-former-ally-elon-musk-says/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=8c7cbcbaa1741d7cbc339fe13eff0274&date=050625)


we will get to find out about his sex with a young girl as well....after he's dead of course

[Ozyhibby]

Is it just me or does this fall out between Trump and Musk seem a little bit scripted? Musk distancing himself from Trump so everyone starts buying Tesla again [emoji23][emoji23]

Nothing can save Tesla sales now. Apart from anything else they have taken their eye of the ball and the cars have fallen behind their rivals for quality.
ICE will be knocking at Musk’s door soon.
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[Hibs4185]

Here's a wee reminder of what was posted up yesterday.



Admin should only be stepping in here when it concerns the part in bold.
Throwing personal insults at each other merely because you disagree with another persons viewpoint? We are better than that surely. Let's try and keep it respectful.
Thanks.

MHGGA

MAKE HOLY GROUND GREAT AGAIN.

How’s that all labour /reform/MAGA supporters??

[Jim44]

The latest Trump/Musk circus is music to the ear. The mess is astonishing and it shouldn’t be too long till thick, lemming Republican politicians start using their brains and conscience to consider their personal positions, whether in power or opposition, and consider the error of their ways. I hope I’m not being too premature or optimistic,

[Baader]

Nothing can save Tesla sales now. Apart from anything else they have taken their eye of the ball and the cars have fallen behind their rivals for quality.
ICE will be knocking at Musk’s door soon.
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Yet months ago Trump's administration were happy to have him access highly confidential social security records and budgets.

Trump is a sociopath, a fraud, a snake oil salesman. His supporters are utter mugs. Musk, I couldn't care less for. Hopefully this ends badly for both parties. Any fool could tell you it would end in tears.

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[Kato]

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[jamie_1875]

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Tesla shares are up over 12 months, up over 2 years and massively up over 5 years. Obviously a bad day but its not the share price collapse some seem to think or want.

[Baader]

Tesla shares are up over 12 months, up over 2 years and massively up over 5 years. Obviously a bad day but its not the share price collapse some seem to think or want.

Musk wasnt in bed with Trump 12 months ago though. Approx one third of their stock has been wiped out since Trump's inauguration in January. Their shareholders won't be looking at net gains over 5 years! Current factors matter and there's no doubt that is a tanking.

[Ozyhibby]

Tesla shares are up over 12 months, up over 2 years and massively up over 5 years. Obviously a bad day but its not the share price collapse some seem to think or want.

Yip. Focus on their sales. That’s what will do for him when it happens.
The share price is just a massive bet that he’s a genius who will invent his way to riches.


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[J-C]

Yip. Focus on their sales. That’s what will do for him when it happens.
The share price is just a massive bet that he’s a genius who will invent his way to riches.


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Or steal someone else's invention to get there.

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😂

[CropleyWasGod]

Is Merz trolling Trump here?

Would Trump know?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STgsg1URVJE

[Keith_M]

Is Merz trolling Trump here?

Would Trump know?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STgsg1URVJE


I watched the discussion at the press conference and Trump seemed confused by pretty much everything Merz said.

The D-Day comments seemed to melt Trump's brain. He seemed to think modern Germany would surely regret the Nazi defeat in WWII


He really is thick as ****

[Smartie]

I watched the discussion at the press conference and Trump seemed confused by pretty much everything Merz said.

The D-Day comments seemed to melt Trump's brain. He seemed to think modern Germany would surely regret the Nazi defeat in WWII


He really is thick as ****

When I see Trump I see someone who is a coward a traitor and completely and utterly dense.

Which of the 3 is the biggest I can never really decide.

I don’t think he’s smart enough to be a proper, ideological traitor.

He just looks like an imbecile surrounded by smart people trying to figure out how to get what they want out of an unpredictable toddler who has enormous power but few brain cells.

[Keith_M]

When I see Trump I see someone who is a coward a traitor and completely and utterly dense.

Which of the 3 is the biggest I can never really decide.

I don’t think he’s smart enough to be a proper, ideological traitor.

He just looks like an imbecile surrounded by smart people trying to figure out how to get what they want out of an unpredictable toddler who has enormous power but few brain cells.


:agree:


Sums him up pretty well.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/06/us/trump-news?campaign_id=190&emc=edit_ufn_20250606&instance_id=156069&nl=from-the-times&regi_id=144244028&segment_id=199455&user_id=d1d71981c661cdf9eaa1c36922dbedf2


Garcia returns to the US

[Hibrandenburg]

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Garcia returns to the US

Sounds like a show trial has been prepared.

[Keith_M]

Sounds like a show trial has been prepared.


They've obviously put a lot of time and effort to prepare a case against the guy... with their main motive being to be proven right.

If only they'd put as much time, money and effort into bringing forward credible cases against Epstein's mates.

[Lendo]

Kicking off in LA with Trump sending in the National Guard. Deliberate move to fan the flames

[Bostonhibby]

Kicking off in LA with Trump sending in the National Guard. Deliberate move to fan the flamesStraight from Hitlers playbook.

Ignore democracy and ride roughshod over local politicians and anyone else who gets in the way of dictatorial politics by suspending their ability to oppose or govern.

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[s.a.m]

They've obviously put a lot of time and effort to prepare a case against the guy... with their main motive being to be proven right.

If only they'd put as much time, money and effort into bringing forward credible cases against Epstein's mates.

You're probably aware of this, but it's worth remembering that the very generous plea deal Epstein was offered by the Florida prosecutor gave immunity from prosecution to both named and unnamed co-conspirators.

I think someone tried to challenge that after the investigation that put him away for the second time, but it failed.

[Baader]

Straight from Hitlers playbook.

Ignore democracy and ride roughshod over local politicians and anyone else who gets in the way of dictatorial politics by suspending their ability to oppose or govern.

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Yep. It's called fascism.

[He's here!]

Straight from Hitlers playbook.

Ignore democracy and ride roughshod over local politicians and anyone else who gets in the way of dictatorial politics by suspending their ability to oppose or govern.

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Not sure illegal immigration was an issue in Nazi Germany...

Seriously though, is Trump not just playing to the voters here in his usual inflated manner? Pledging to get tough on undocumented migration was a big vote winner for him (as it tends to be in many countries these days) and he's already reduced crossings from Mexico to a relative trickle by vastly increasing troop numbers at the border.

People hold their hands up in horror at Trump's behaviour, but the 'can you believe what he's done now' reaction doesn't really wash. Everyone knew what they were buying into by electing him. There are years of this to come (unless he dies in office).

[Bostonhibby]

Not sure illegal immigration was an issue in Nazi Germany...

Seriously though, is Trump not just playing to the voters here in his usual inflated manner? Pledging to get tough on undocumented migration was a big vote winner for him (as it tends to be in many countries these days) and he's already reduced crossings from Mexico to a relative trickle by vastly increasing troop numbers at the border.

People hold their hands up in horror at Trump's behaviour, but the 'can you believe what he's done now' reaction doesn't really wash. Everyone knew what they were buying into by electing him. There are years of this to come (unless he dies in office).Hear what you say, I suppose my point was a wannabe dictator transitioning from democracy to dictatorship wants something to create a disproportionate "national emergency" around to do what they do.

Tried it in south Korea recently, I doubt the states leaders in the orange guys clique have it in them to make a stand.

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[Jones28]

Journalists covering the LA protests being shot with rubber bullets.

Damn immigrants.

[grunt]

Journalists covering the LA protests being shot with rubber bullets.

Damn immigrants.
Deliberately. The shot was aimed and was intentional.

[Jones28]

Deliberately. The shot was aimed and was intentional.

Oh no question. 100% a deliberate act.

[Hibrandenburg]

Straight from Hitlers playbook.

Ignore democracy and ride roughshod over local politicians and anyone else who gets in the way of dictatorial politics by suspending their ability to oppose or govern.

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If the current situation doesnt deescalate in the coming days, it will be interesting to see the reaction of the police authorities and national guard. It will be a litmus test of how loyal they will be to Trump. Trump will be watching this experiment and the outcome will determine how far he thinks he can go.

[Bostonhibby]

If the current situation doesnt deescalate in the coming days, it will be interesting to see the reaction of the police authorities and national guard. It will be a litmus test of how loyal they will be to Trump. Trump will be watching this experiment and the outcome will determine how far he thinks he can go.He's pretty much got his lackies in key judicial positions and suspect he will make sure the "right" guardsmen are there to carry out his will whilst he sits in the background stirring again.



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[Keith_M]

As we're discussing the pros and cons of Trump as President...


I totally get the viewpoint expressed a couple of pages back about the fact that Trump's US has not (so far) invaded any other nations. In fact it's a point I raised during his last incumbency as President that, IMO, there had been much worse behaviour by previous presidents in invading multiple other countries (Iraq. Vietnam, etc), overthrowing lawfully elected leaders by covert means (e.g. in Central America) and undermining economies and businesses in countries that were supposed to be their allies.

However...

....it's very clear by now that he was held back in his first presidency by a number of 'Jackasses' (his words) that he appointed to various roles, and he's been determined to get his work done properly this time by only appointing those that are 100% loyal and never question his decisions.

In the last few months, he's done the following:



Constantly insulted their (previous) greatest ally, Canada, with demeaning, nonsense arguments, even going so far as to describe them as a possible future '51st State'
Openly discussed taking over Greenland, by force if necessary, and sending his representatives to the territory to pressure/scare the people of Greenland and Denmark.
Created so-called 'retaliatory' tarrifs against almost every other nation (excluding Russia) that massively tanked the markets.
Has sinced gone back and forward on these Tarrifs, in a form of bullying behaviour that negatively affected multiple nations, including those traditionally viewed as allies.
Engaged in multiple instance of illegal behavour, in regard to Tarrifs etc, by giving family and friends an illegal heads-up on when it was a good time to invest (normally this would result in multi-million dollar fines, or even jail), and personally accepting bribes and other favours
Removed USAID, and other spending, estimated to already having lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of people (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-musk-usaid-cuts-deaths-aids-hiv-b2708883.html) (who needs war?)
Filled the Supreme Court with people that bend to his will, thereby removing the traditional separation of State and Law.... and boy has he taken advantage of that!
Pardoned the Criminals that stormed the capitol, an event that was unprecedented in US history and lead to serious injuries and even deaths of people that were simply doing their jobs.
Presented a bill to reduce the taxes of the richest people in the US by billions of dollars, and at the same time to reduce spending on healthcare and in poorer communities.
Rescinded laws and government funding intended to help tackle the world's climate crisis and instead granted multiple licences for mining raw materials that are harmful to the environment.


....I could go on but I'll leave it at that for now

[Jim44]

Not sure illegal immigration was an issue in Nazi Germany...

Seriously though, is Trump not just playing to the voters here in his usual inflated manner? Pledging to get tough on undocumented migration was a big vote winner for him (as it tends to be in many countries these days) and he's already reduced crossings from Mexico to a relative trickle by vastly increasing troop numbers at the border.

People hold their hands up in horror at Trump's behaviour, but the 'can you believe what he's done now' reaction doesn't really wash. Everyone knew what they were buying into by electing him. There are years of this to come (unless he dies in office).

….. or peacefully at home.:greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

As we're discussing the pros and cons of Trump as President...


I totally get the viewpoint expressed a couple of pages back about the fact that Trump's US has not (so far) invaded any other nations. In fact it's a point I raised during his last incumbency as President that, IMO, there had been much worse behaviour by previous presidents in invading multiple other countries (Iraq. Vietnam, etc), overthrowing lawfully elected leaders by covert means (e.g. in Central America) and undermining economies and businesses in countries that were supposed to be their allies.

However...

....it's very clear by now that he was held back in his first presidency by a number of 'Jackasses' (his words) that he appointed to various roles, and he's been determined to get his work done properly this time by only appointing those that are 100% loyal and never question his decisions.

In the last few months, he's done the following:



Constantly insulted their (previous) greatest ally, Canada, with demeaning, nonsense arguments, even going so far as to describe them as a possible future '51st State'
Openly discussed taking over Greenland, by force if necessary, and sending his representatives to the territory to pressure/scare the people of Greenland and Denmark.
Created so-called 'retaliatory' tarrifs against almost every other nation (excluding Russia) that massively tanked the markets.
Has sinced gone back and forward on these Tarrifs, in a form of bullying behaviour that negatively affected multiple nations, including those traditionally viewed as allies.
Engaged in multiple instance of illegal behavour, in regard to Tarrifs etc, by giving family and friends an illegal heads-up on when it was a good time to invest (normally this would result in multi-million dollar fines, or even jail), and personally accepting bribes and other favours
Removed USAID, and other spending, estimated to already having lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of people (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-musk-usaid-cuts-deaths-aids-hiv-b2708883.html) (who needs war?)
Filled the Supreme Court with people that bend to his will, thereby removing the traditional separation of State and Law.... and boy has he taken advantage of that!
Pardoned the Criminals that stormed the capitol, an event that was unprecedented in US history and lead to serious injuries and even deaths of people that were simply doing their jobs.
Presented a bill to reduce the taxes of the richest people in the US by billions of dollars, and at the same time to reduce spending on healthcare and in poorer communities.
Rescinded laws and government funding intended to help tackle the world's climate crisis and instead granted multiple licences for mining raw materials that are harmful to the environment.


....I could go on but I'll leave it at that for now

In Trumps first term he dropped about 73,000 bombed on other countries?


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[JimBHibees]

As we're discussing the pros and cons of Trump as President...


I totally get the viewpoint expressed a couple of pages back about the fact that Trump's US has not (so far) invaded any other nations. In fact it's a point I raised during his last incumbency as President that, IMO, there had been much worse behaviour by previous presidents in invading multiple other countries (Iraq. Vietnam, etc), overthrowing lawfully elected leaders by covert means (e.g. in Central America) and undermining economies and businesses in countries that were supposed to be their allies.

However...

....it's very clear by now that he was held back in his first presidency by a number of 'Jackasses' (his words) that he appointed to various roles, and he's been determined to get his work done properly this time by only appointing those that are 100% loyal and never question his decisions.

In the last few months, he's done the following:



Constantly insulted their (previous) greatest ally, Canada, with demeaning, nonsense arguments, even going so far as to describe them as a possible future '51st State'
Openly discussed taking over Greenland, by force if necessary, and sending his representatives to the territory to pressure/scare the people of Greenland and Denmark.
Created so-called 'retaliatory' tarrifs against almost every other nation (excluding Russia) that massively tanked the markets.
Has sinced gone back and forward on these Tarrifs, in a form of bullying behaviour that negatively affected multiple nations, including those traditionally viewed as allies.
Engaged in multiple instance of illegal behavour, in regard to Tarrifs etc, by giving family and friends an illegal heads-up on when it was a good time to invest (normally this would result in multi-million dollar fines, or even jail), and personally accepting bribes and other favours
Removed USAID, and other spending, estimated to already having lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of people (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-musk-usaid-cuts-deaths-aids-hiv-b2708883.html) (who needs war?)
Filled the Supreme Court with people that bend to his will, thereby removing the traditional separation of State and Law.... and boy has he taken advantage of that!
Pardoned the Criminals that stormed the capitol, an event that was unprecedented in US history and lead to serious injuries and even deaths of people that were simply doing their jobs.
Presented a bill to reduce the taxes of the richest people in the US by billions of dollars, and at the same time to reduce spending on healthcare and in poorer communities.
Rescinded laws and government funding intended to help tackle the world's climate crisis and instead granted multiple licences for mining raw materials that are harmful to the environment.


....I could go on but I'll leave it at that for now

Yep simply despicable. Determined to start some sort of a catastrophic war

[cabbageandribs1875]

what a shame

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[H18S NX]

Hitler is not dead when Trumps walking about.

[Jim44]

Musk saying he regrets his comments about Trump. I don’t know if he’s retracted them yet. There’s a game of 4 dimensional chess going on just now with these two barstwards.

[Ozyhibby]

Musk saying he regrets his comments about Trump. I don’t know if he’s retracted them yet. There’s a game of 4 dimensional chess going on just now with these two barstwards.

You credit them with too much intelligence.


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[Jones28]

Musk saying he regrets his comments about Trump. I don’t know if he’s retracted them yet. There’s a game of 4 dimensional chess going on just now with these two barstwards.

It's not 4D Chess Jim, it's a game of tiddlywinks.

And Musk has taken all the yellow ones and stomped off.

[grunt]

Musk saying he regrets his comments about Trump. I don’t know if he’s retracted them yet. There’s a game of 4 dimensional chess going on just now with these two barstwards.
Musk has likely realised that Trump has the power - and is petty enough - to cancel the enormous US Gov contracts with Musk's companies. So now he's crawling back. The only chess being played is pigeon chess.

[The_Exile]

Musk saying he regrets his comments about Trump. I don’t know if he’s retracted them yet. There’s a game of 4 dimensional chess going on just now with these two barstwards.

The ketamine just wore off, he'll be back at it soon enough.

[Keith_M]

Musk saying he regrets his comments about Trump. I don’t know if he’s retracted them yet. There’s a game of 4 dimensional chess going on just now with these two barstwards.


Musk has likely realised that Trump has the power - and is petty enough - to cancel the enormous US Gov contracts with Musk's companies. So now he's crawling back. The only chess being played is pigeon chess.


I see a pattern that was evident in the early days of Putin's Russia, where massively rich oligarchs dared to disagree with Putin and suffered pretty serious consequences (prison, exile or mysterious deaths).

Putin's climb to power was actually bankrolled by some of these people and many of them, if they were lucky, lived to regret it.


Sound familiar?

[Ozyhibby]

I see a pattern that was evident in the early days of Putin's Russia, where massively rich oligarchs dared to disagree with Putin and suffered pretty serious consequences (prison, exile or mysterious deaths).

Putin's climb to power was actually bankrolled by some of these people and many of them, if they were lucky, lived to regret it.


Sound familiar?

Putin - Khordokovsky is a good reference point.[emoji106]


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[Hibs4185]

Elon’s dad attended a summit in Russia and basically said he’d have to say sorry.

It’s all utterly depressing

[Smartie]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xXd20VDrLII

[grunt]

The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices is a committee within the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that provides advice and guidance on effective control of vaccine-preventable diseases in the U.S. civilian population. The ACIP develops written recommendations for routine administration of vaccines to the pediatric and adult populations, along with vaccination schedules regarding appropriate timing, dosage, and contraindications of vaccines.

New members, appointed by RFK (Monster Raving Loony Party)

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[Kato]

The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices is a committee within the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that provides advice and guidance on effective control of vaccine-preventable diseases in the U.S. civilian population. The ACIP develops written recommendations for routine administration of vaccines to the pediatric and adult populations, along with vaccination schedules regarding appropriate timing, dosage, and contraindications of vaccines.

New members, appointed by RFK (Monster Raving Loony Party)

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:ttdaexuq2ca4ok5hfphc2h5q/bafkreiffa7or2zoafaew7id6mrnh5fqqoie2ixyanjbk53vmq 224r6zliy@jpeghttps://youtu.be/7aItpjF5vXc?si=oUmspWu-iYwYwnwB

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[tamig]

The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices is a committee within the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that provides advice and guidance on effective control of vaccine-preventable diseases in the U.S. civilian population. The ACIP develops written recommendations for routine administration of vaccines to the pediatric and adult populations, along with vaccination schedules regarding appropriate timing, dosage, and contraindications of vaccines.

New members, appointed by RFK (Monster Raving Loony Party)

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:ttdaexuq2ca4ok5hfphc2h5q/bafkreiffa7or2zoafaew7id6mrnh5fqqoie2ixyanjbk53vmq 224r6zliy@jpeg

Sounds like the Dream Team for that department. Heaven help the people 🙄

[Bostonhibby]

Sounds like the Dream Team for that department. Heaven help the people [emoji849]It's a shame that it's not possible for the consequences here to be visited only on those who voted for the gang that are now running their country.

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[Ozyhibby]

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He really is a complete idiot. The coming recession will be a biggy and will no doubt affect us here in the UK.


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[tamig]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250612/fcbbf8b55c21a71293920d990adc73c7.png

He really is a complete idiot. The coming recession will be a biggy and will no doubt affect us here in the UK.


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Changes are coming? 🤔 He’s left a big unanswered question there as to how he’s planning to fill these roles that were previously filled by immigrants and only receive applications from “criminals”. Will be good to see how the changes will address this. Man’s a buffoon.

[Bostonhibby]

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He really is a complete idiot. The coming recession will be a biggy and will no doubt affect us here in the UK.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkLucky he spotted all Biden's mistakes really.
Before too long we will be hearing that it's actually Biden in all the pictures with Epstein and not a big fat orange guy

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[silverhibee]

Journalists covering the LA protests being shot with rubber bullets.

Damn immigrants.

I stupidly watched Fox News the other night it was about 4 in the morning our time and the reporters on that channel are crazy, one suggested she had been agitating all day and deserved it, and then another reporter walking down the street saying the agitators were being armed by mysterious people who drop of baseball bats and poles and hide them for the agitators to get to them, he then walked past a gated yard and pointed to pallets of bricks that he said had just arrived and they would be used to throw at police, it just looked like a worker’s yard and then bang, looking up in to the sky it looks like there are millions of helicopters up there and the camera panned to the sky and there was one police helicopter. :rolleyes: :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

I stupidly watched Fox News the other night it was about 4 in the morning our time and the reporters on that channel are crazy, one suggested she had been agitating all day and deserved it, and then another reporter walking down the street saying the agitators were being armed by mysterious people who drop of baseball bats and poles and hide them for the agitators to get to them, he then walked past a gated yard and pointed to pallets of bricks that he said had just arrived and they would be used to throw at police, it just looked like a worker’s yard and then bang, looking up in to the sky it looks like there are millions of helicopters up there and the camera panned to the sky and there was one police helicopter. :rolleyes: :greengrin

If there are agitators, then they're more likely to be Trump’s brown shirts provoking a response from the protesters. It's a play straight out of the dictators handbook. Get your opponents to set fire to the Reichstag then introduce emergency legislation to crown yourself king and the jobs a good un.

[Kato]

If there are agitators, then they're more likely to be Trump’s brown shirts provoking a response from the protesters. It's a play straight out of the dictators handbook. Get your opponents to set fire to the Reichstag then introduce emergency legislation to crown yourself king and the jobs a good un.I don't believe the fire was set by AH's opponents, even if they carried the can (so to speak).

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[Hibrandenburg]

I don't believe the fire was set by AH's opponents, even if they carried the can (so to speak).

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It's pretty well documented and most historians agree that it was burnt down by communists.

[Scorrie]

Some shocking footage of US senator Alex Padilla in California being forcibly removed from a press conference and handcuffed by the FBI as he was about to ask a question of Secretary Noem. This is happening, in America. An elected member of the Senate. I fear to think where the USA is going to end up here

[Stevie Reid]

Some shocking footage of US senator Alex Padilla in California being forcibly removed from a press conference and handcuffed by the FBI as he was about to ask a question of Secretary Noem. This is happening, in America. An elected member of the Senate. I fear to think where the USA is going to end up here

It’s a truly disturbing watch, and I note that he said afterwards that he wasn’t even arrested, despite being manhandled and handcuffed in such an aggressive manner.

We are barely six months in, and Trump will only try and increase the shock factor further and further. It will undoubtedly lead to some truly atrocious things happening.

[JimBHibees]

Some shocking footage of US senator Alex Padilla in California being forcibly removed from a press conference and handcuffed by the FBI as he was about to ask a question of Secretary Noem. This is happening, in America. An elected member of the Senate. I fear to think where the USA is going to end up here

Complete fascism simple as

[JimBHibees]

It’s a truly disturbing watch, and I note that he said afterwards that he wasn’t even arrested, despite being manhandled and handcuffed in such an aggressive manner.

We are barely six months in, and Trump will only try and increase the shock factor further and further. It will undoubtedly lead to some truly atrocious things happening.

For sure pushing the limit at every turn

[Baader]

Complete fascism simple as

Yep. It's a process and they are well down the line with it. Never thought it possible there of all places and never thought I'd see some people actually welcome it.

[Caversham Green]

I stupidly watched Fox News the other night it was about 4 in the morning our time and the reporters on that channel are crazy, one suggested she had been agitating all day and deserved it, and then another reporter walking down the street saying the agitators were being armed by mysterious people who drop of baseball bats and poles and hide them for the agitators to get to them, he then walked past a gated yard and pointed to pallets of bricks that he said had just arrived and they would be used to throw at police, it just looked like a worker’s yard and then bang, looking up in to the sky it looks like there are millions of helicopters up there and the camera panned to the sky and there was one police helicopter. :rolleyes: :greengrin

I'm surprised there hasn't been more outcry about that. She was standing with her back to the police line offering no sort of threat to anyone and he shot her from close range with a weapon that is described as non-lethal but has been known to be lethal. In a civilised country he would be immediately suspended and subsequently charged with assault at the very least.

She's not the only journalist to be shot by "law" enforcement either - Nick Stern a UK journalist needed emergency surgery to remove one of those rounds from his leg (proof in itself that they could be lethal) and at least two other journalists have been shot - one apparently has a massive bruise on his forehead.

[Sloop67]

I'm surprised there hasn't been more outcry about that. She was standing with her back to the police line offering no sort of threat to anyone and he shot her from close range with a weapon that is described as non-lethal but has been known to be lethal. In a civilised country he would be immediately suspended and subsequently charged with assault at the very least.

She's not the only journalist to be shot by "law" enforcement either - Nick Stern a UK journalist needed emergency surgery to remove one of those rounds from his leg (proof in itself that they could be lethal) and at least two other journalists have been shot - one apparently has a massive bruise on his forehead.


Ive been waiting on the Fanta Furher, defending the agent responsible

[degenerated]

If there are agitators, then they're more likely to be Trump’s brown shirts provoking a response from the protesters. It's a play straight out of the dictators handbook. Get your opponents to set fire to the Reichstag then introduce emergency legislation to crown yourself king and the jobs a good un.Not million miles from the truth :greengrinhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250614/bf962254ab14d0547784d23f73e9b6ca.jpg

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[Stevie Reid]

Things get more terrifying by the day:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj83q2e562o

[Ozyhibby]

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Best birthday ever.[emoji23]

https://bsky.app/profile/bubbaprog.lol/post/3lrm4ekho5k2b


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[Jones28]

Looks like 20% of the estimated 250,000 strong crowd turned out for the big birthday bash over the weekend, whereas literal millions of people took the streets in anti-Trump demos.

Americn's making a stand against this wannabe dictator who was caught on mic saying he wants his subjects to be more like North Koreans. :faf:

[grunt]

Trump at the G7: Russia supporting ****wit.


Putin speaks to me, he doesn't speak to anybody else, because he was very insulted when he got thrown out of the G8. He was thrown out by Trudeau, who convinced one or two people, along with Obama ... he doesn't even speak to the people who threw him out. And I agree with him.

Trudeau wasn't even in office when Russia was thrown out of G8.

[Kato]

Trump at the G7: Russia supporting ****wit.



Trudeau wasn't even in office when Russia was thrown out of G8.Trump talks mince shock.

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