(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[Hibbyradge]

Not nice things, but why are people not out protesting against the Saudis and their human rights record. The UK has a very cosy relationship with a one of the most horrible regimes in the world. Because its not seen as trendy and being 'right on'.

People do protest about our links with Saudi Arabia.

Are you suggesting we should ignore all the wrongs in the world?

[Hibbyradge]

I saw a few protesters getting dropped off in their luxury cars by their Mum and Dad's earlier. Probably the same people who protest against capitalism on their gap year before Oxbridge and joining a hedge fund.

Aye, probably.

Monied people can't genuinely dislike mysoginist racists who grab women by the pussy and separate children from their parents and keep them in cages.

[johnbc70]

No, they clearly voted for someone who they thought would improve their lot and that of their country. That doesn't make them right. If you give desperate, disenfranchised people an easy answer, and an easy focus for their woes, then more in depth discussions don't get the light of day. The fact is that despite the rhetoric, Trumps much lauded tax cuts benefited the top 1%, not the masses. Wages have actually fallen under Trump.

Has Trump directed affected me? Yes, almost certainly, and as tariffs hit home absolutely certainly. The almost comes from the raft of legislative and policy changes relating to climate. Withdrawal from the Paris Accord changes the world, as well as many actions domestically. This will increase greenhouse gases, and accelerate climate change. On a much more personal basis, I have a daughter in the USA at University, so yes, his legislation impacts my family.

If your a steel worker in Pennsylvania then your probably delighted at his stance on tariffs, if your a non American in the UK not so. Who's interest is he there to look after more, yours or the people in Pennsylvania?

[Dinkydoo]

The trump protests are mostly made up of middle class virtue signalling, communists and trans activists."Trans activists"

What's the issue here? Trans people shouldn't be afforded the same rights and maybe a little specific set of help to make their lives a bit easier?

[Dinkydoo]

I'm no fan of Donald Trump but if we can welcome the leaders of countries such as China and Saudi Arabia to the UK, who are responsible for some of the worst human rights abuses on the planet, and on a scale that is far worse than anything that Donald Trump has ever done, then I'm sure I'll cope with the President of the USA being in the country for a few days.

Where were all the mass protests when we had the visit from Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman of Saudi Arabia earlier this year or when President Xi Jinping of China came over in 2015? The governments of both of these countries allow atrocities to be committed against their own people on a daily basis and yet I don't remember their presence in the UK causing such controversy.

Some people really need to get a grip.People need to "get a grip" for protesting one monster and not another?

[Chic Murray]

Snowflakes. The new "go to" response for people without arguments

I made an argument, alright, but you chose to focus on one word.

Are you sure you got that right?

[Chic Murray]

People need to "get a grip" for protesting one monster and not another?

Makes you wonder what it is they really care about.

I detect some collective dummy spitting from one side of this argument. People appear to have convinced themselves that they hold the only true vision of what is right.

Yesterday's pitiful turnout suggests to me they are out of touch with what is important. It's the old, I'm the only one marching in step argument.

More worrying, any attempt to criticise the protest, is turned into support for Trump.

Can't speak for others but I was really put off by the sight of a group of effete, pampered, and privileged people strutting smugly about the town telling us how clever they are. That march was all about them.

Do they really think they have done anything for poor people in Tennessee trailer parks, or black kids sleeping in their cars in North Carolina?

Do they even know, or care? I fear that far from rallying people to their cause, they've driven them away.

I think the words virtue signalling have never been more apt than yesterday. The reek of righteous indignation was nauseating.

[Sir David Gray]

The extension of that thought is that everything should be protested in equal measure, or not at all. With Trump, who is actively destabilising the US internally and the world as a whole, the visibility of his behaviour and the direct impact it could have is, frankly, more in-your-face than the undoubted atrocities committed by Saudi Arabia and China. However, global politics and pubic opinion vary to a large extent according to who is in the White House. Trump's approach to the world is therefore hugely worthy of protest. The old quote from Edmund Burke of "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" is the reason why protest is necessary.

I don't actually have a problem with protests against Trump per se. As I said in my opening post, I'm no fan of his and I think some of the things he has said and reported to have done makes him unsuitable to hold the position of President of the USA. His conduct towards women as an example is shocking and certainly worthy of people showing their opposition.

However, in comparison with the leaders of the two nations I've mentioned I just think they are much more worthy of our disgust and I would just like to see as many people out on the streets the next time we welcome anyone like that to the UK as we saw over the last few days with Donald Trump.


There were a wide range of protests when Chinese leader came to town...but to get your point straight..because not everyone who deserves a protest, got a protest...people need to get a grip, for protesting against Trump...that is your point?


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I'm not doubting there were protests when the Chinese President visited but where was the media attention that the Trump visit has been getting? I don't remember much focus on it at all. China executes more people every year than every other country on the planet put together.

Their human rights record is disgraceful, people are regularly executed for very dubious reasons and people are imprisoned simply for challenging The Communist Party.

However our leaders seem to be quite happy to cosy up to them and don't appear to be questioning them on their human rights abuses.


People need to "get a grip" for protesting one monster and not another?

Pretty much, yes. If these people are truly human rights activists and fighting inequality etc then why would you go to all that effort to oppose Trump but, by comparison, barely raise a whimper when two of the worst culprits of human rights abuses comes to town?

[Ozymandias]

I made an argument, alright, but you chose to focus on one word.

Are you sure you got that right?

I'm pretty comfortable that I focused on the right element. The totality of your argument was "Just want to say to the snowflakes, that was pitiful compared to the miners strike and Paris 68. Of course the didn't have as good snack stalls, so well done on that count."
So not really an argument, more a tool to get a sneery poke in. So well done on that count.

[weecounty hibby]

[QUOTE=Sir David Gray;5465493

I'm not doubting there were protests when the Chinese President visited but where was the media attention that the Trump visit has been getting? I don't remember much focus on it at all. China executes more people every year than every other country on the planet put together.

I do remember the protests and also remember various news items about the visits. But none of these guys court the media or are as in your face on twitter as Trump. He absolutely craves attention and will be chuffed to bits about what has gone in over the last few days. He will claim fake news back in the US if asked about the protests and tell everyone who will listen that the UK really likes him. The classic of being recorded talking about May and Brexit one day and then denying it the very next saying it was fake news is unbelievable and there are idiots who will believe him. He was actually recorded by a journalist and then denied it as fake news.

[Ozymandias]

Makes you wonder what it is they really care about.

I detect some collective dummy spitting from one side of this argument. People appear to have convinced themselves that they hold the only true vision of what is right.

Yesterday's pitiful turnout suggests to me they are out of touch with what is important. It's the old, I'm the only one marching in step argument.

More worrying, any attempt to criticise the protest, is turned into support for Trump.

Can't speak for others but I was really put off by the sight of a group of effete, pampered, and privileged people strutting smugly about the town telling us how clever they are. That march was all about them.

Do they really think they have done anything for poor people in Tennessee trailer parks, or black kids sleeping in their cars in North Carolina?

Do they even know, or care? I fear that far from rallying people to their cause, they've driven them away.

I think the words virtue signalling have never been more apt than yesterday. The reek of righteous indignation was nauseating.

OK, for the sake of argument let's assume that everyone at the protest fell into the pigeonhole you set them. Can you clarify if it was the protestors that "put you off", rather the subject of the protest? If you had been assured that the body of the protest group had been made up of your mates and those who had in your view appropriate social credentials, would you have protested the visit of Donald Trump?

[G B Young]

Makes you wonder what it is they really care about.

I detect some collective dummy spitting from one side of this argument. People appear to have convinced themselves that they hold the only true vision of what is right.

Yesterday's pitiful turnout suggests to me they are out of touch with what is important. It's the old, I'm the only one marching in step argument.

More worrying, any attempt to criticise the protest, is turned into support for Trump.

Can't speak for others but I was really put off by the sight of a group of effete, pampered, and privileged people strutting smugly about the town telling us how clever they are. That march was all about them.

Do they really think they have done anything for poor people in Tennessee trailer parks, or black kids sleeping in their cars in North Carolina?

Do they even know, or care? I fear that far from rallying people to their cause, they've driven them away.

I think the words virtue signalling have never been more apt than yesterday. The reek of righteous indignation was nauseating.

I think that's a fair observation. I had no interest in 'protesting' yesterday but it doesn't mean I have much truck with Trump. As I said in an earlier post, though, I found the Scottish protests a bit baffling. 'Carnival of Resistance'? What does that mean? Also, why stand shouting outside Holyrood when Trump's visit involved nothing of a political nature? The guy was on the other side of the country and as far as I'm aware was here only to play golf at a course he happens to own. I'd hazard a guess that his investment in Turnberry has also done a fair bit for the local economy so I wonder how many locals were among those shouting from the beach.

[Ozymandias]

I don't actually have a problem with protests against Trump per se. As I said in my opening post, I'm no fan of his and I think some of the things he has said and reported to have done makes him unsuitable to hold the position of President of the USA. His conduct towards women as an example is shocking and certainly worthy of people showing their opposition.

However, in comparison with the leaders of the two nations I've mentioned I just think they are much more worthy of our disgust and I would just like to see as many people out on the streets the next time we welcome anyone like that to the UK as we saw over the last few days with Donald Trump.


I'm not doubting there were protests when the Chinese President visited but where was the media attention that the Trump visit has been getting? I don't remember much focus on it at all. China executes more people every year than every other country on the planet put together.

Their human rights record is disgraceful, people are regularly executed for very dubious reasons and people are imprisoned simply for challenging The Communist Party.

However our leaders seem to be quite happy to cosy up to them and don't appear to be questioning them on their human rights abuses.



Pretty much, yes. If these people are truly human rights activists and fighting inequality etc then why would you go to all that effort to oppose Trump but, by comparison, barely raise a whimper when two of the worst culprits of human rights abuses comes to town?

The nature of people is that they will be more interested in and activated by things that are either closer to home or at the very least more relatable. It is why when a terrorist bomb or murder happens in Paris or London it gets exponentially more overage than a more devastating attack in Kabul and why most people on the UK have forgotten or never knew about the the Chibok school girls and Boko Haram in Nigeria.

The USA is culturally and historically much closer to the UK than KSA or China. Trump is omnipresent on news and social media, and his actions make many people angry and fearful for what he may do. It is natural to react to that. That doesn't make the lower level of activism against others less worthy, nor does it define those protesting yesterday as being less than honest in their motives.

[Slavers]

"Trans activists"

What's the issue here? Trans people shouldn't be afforded the same rights and maybe a little specific set of help to make their lives a bit easier?

Your looking for something that is not there. I have no beef with trans people on a personal level, i had a 'wee cuddle' with a trans when on a night out in Barcelona but that's between me and you and a whole different story.

My point is that the media are trying to paint the picture that the whole of the UK and Scotland are against trump or say that vast majority think this way. I simply say that is not true. A protest made up of communists, trans activists & the virtue-signalling middle classes do not speak for the nation as the media claim. They are over stating the numbers attended, why?

[lapsedhibee]

My point is that the media are trying to paint the picture that the whole of the UK and Scotland are against trump or say that vast majority think this way. I simply say that is not true. A protest made up of communists, trans activists & the virtue-signalling middle classes do not speak for the nation as the media claim. They are over stating the numbers attended, why?
Is it a conspiracy of some sort? :dunno:

[Ozymandias]

Your looking for something that is not there. I have no beef with trans people on a personal level, i had a 'wee cuddle' with a trans when on a night out in Barcelona but that's between me and you and a whole different story.

My point is that the media are trying to paint the picture that the whole of the UK and Scotland are against trump or say that vast majority think this way. I simply say that is not true. A protest made up of communists, trans activists & the virtue-signalling middle classes do not speak for the nation as the media claim. They are over stating the numbers attended, why?

The media claim there were protests, and report estimated numbers. I've just done a quick search, and everywhere I've looked they either just say "thousands" or balance the organisers estimate of numbers with the polices estimate. You are attempting to create a conspiracy that simple does not exist.

Also, just repeating "trans activists, communists and virtue signalling middle classes" over and over doesn't make it true.

[Slavers]

Is it a conspiracy of some sort? :dunno:

Well yes at a basic level conspiring to make the crowds and protests seem larger than they actually were.

[Moulin Yarns]

I think that's a fair observation. I had no interest in 'protesting' yesterday but it doesn't mean I have much truck with Trump. As I said in an earlier post, though, I found the Scottish protests a bit baffling. 'Carnival of Resistance'? What does that mean? Also, why stand shouting outside Holyrood when Trump's visit involved nothing of a political nature? The guy was on the other side of the country and as far as I'm aware was here only to play golf at a course he happens to own. I'd hazard a guess that his investment in Turnberry has also done a fair bit for the local economy so I wonder how many locals were among those shouting from the beach.

Turnberry existed before Trump bought it, any 'investment' will have had minimal effect on the local economy. The investment was to 'improve' the course.

A wee bit about the Trump investment...



https://www.newyorker.com/news-desk/swamp-chronicles/where-did-donald-trump-get-200-million-dollars-to-buy-his-money-losing-scottish-golf-club

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-37655823

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/donald-trump-turnberry-hotel-golf-course-scottish-tax-rebate-110000-holyrood-small-businesses-scheme-a7908001.html

And what about the 'investment' at Menie in Aberdeenshire?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/Trump_and_Scotland



There were many bold claims about the proposed resort with big numbers attached. It was supposed to be a £1bn investment, creating about 6,000 jobs. It was to include not one but two championship golf courses, a 450-bedroom hotel and almost 1,500 holiday and residential homes.
The massive scale of this promised investment was suitably beguiling. It persuaded the local inquiry team and even government ministers that the economic benefit justified the environmental impact.


Much of what was promised by Mr Trump has yet to materialise. By 2018 the resort included one golf course and a club house, a 16-bedroom boutique hotel and some lodges.
The Trump Organization says it has spent around £100m, which is about 10% of what was promised. It says about 500 people were involved in construction and that it employs 150 people, including part-time and seasonal staff.



“You can dislike the man, you can dislike his politics, you can dislike his public pronouncements,” “But there still has to be some respect for the office. I don’t think you have any choice but to deal with him.”




https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-44795229


(https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-44795229)

[CropleyWasGod]

Well yes at a basic level conspiring to make the crowds and protests seem larger than they actually were.Involving whom, and to what end?

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[Slavers]

The media claim there were protests, and report estimated numbers. I've just done a quick search, and everywhere I've looked they either just say "thousands" or balance the organisers estimate of numbers with the polices estimate. You are attempting to create a conspiracy that simple does not exist.

Also, just repeating "trans activists, communists and virtue signalling middle classes" over and over doesn't make it true.

No you will find that the media were predicting 250,000 in London you would be lucky if there were 40,000 protestors there. Also the media ran with stories about the protests all week in the run up to trumps visit and the numbers were still. low

[heretoday]

I think that's a fair observation. I had no interest in 'protesting' yesterday but it doesn't mean I have much truck with Trump. As I said in an earlier post, though, I found the Scottish protests a bit baffling. 'Carnival of Resistance'? What does that mean? Also, why stand shouting outside Holyrood when Trump's visit involved nothing of a political nature? The guy was on the other side of the country and as far as I'm aware was here only to play golf at a course he happens to own. I'd hazard a guess that his investment in Turnberry has also done a fair bit for the local economy so I wonder how many locals were among those shouting from the beach.

You're not wrong.

[Ozymandias]

No you will find that the media were predicting 250,000 in London you would be lucky if there were 40,000 protestors there. Also the media ran with stories about the protests all week in the run up to trumps visit and the numbers were still. low

You are good at squirming. You said "the media are reporting the numbers of those who attended". Past Tense. I pointed to easily verifiable evidence that this is incorrect. You'e now saying it was the future predictions of attendance prior to the day. I've also done a quick check on the media reporting of numbers in the run uo. Virtually all are prefaced by a variation on the theme of "organisers expect up to... xxx". So again you're creating a conspiracy that simply doesn't exist.

It's moot anyway, and largely pointless to debate the make up of the protestors with you. Do you think Trump should have been protested against? Do you think his behaviour as President of the USA are more worthy of honour or disdain?

[G B Young]

Turnberry existed before Trump bought it, any 'investment' will have had minimal effect on the local economy. The investment was to 'improve' the course.

A wee bit about the Trump investment...



https://www.newyorker.com/news-desk/swamp-chronicles/where-did-donald-trump-get-200-million-dollars-to-buy-his-money-losing-scottish-golf-club

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-37655823

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/donald-trump-turnberry-hotel-golf-course-scottish-tax-rebate-110000-holyrood-small-businesses-scheme-a7908001.html

And what about the 'investment' at Menie in Aberdeenshire?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/Trump_and_Scotland





https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-44795229


(https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-44795229)

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there are a lot of smoke and mirrors involved in the investment figures Trump throws about. I watched a TV series about him last year and much of his property empire in the US appears to have been built on little more than bravado.

However, IIRC Turnberry was effectively bankrupt after the global financial crash effectively put the previous owners (some sort of Dubai Government company I think) out of business so from the point of view of the Scottish economy it was no bad thing that Trump stepped in to snap it up. Anyone interested in golf knows it's a fantastic asset.

[Moulin Yarns]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there are a lot of smoke and mirrors involved in the investment figures Trump throws about. I watched a TV series about him last year and much of his property empire in the US appears to have been built on little more than bravado.

However, IIRC Turnberry was effectively bankrupt after the global financial crash effectively put the previous owners (some sort of Dubai Government company I think) out of business so from the point of view of the Scottish economy it was no bad thing that Trump stepped in to snap it up. Anyone interested in golf knows it's a fantastic asset.

But do they also know how much it is losing? not a good business model, a bit like The Rangers.

[Chic Murray]

I'm pretty comfortable that I focused on the right element. The totality of your argument was "Just want to say to the snowflakes, that was pitiful compared to the miners strike and Paris 68. Of course the didn't have as good snack stalls, so well done on that count."
So not really an argument, more a tool to get a sneery poke in. So well done on that count.

Settle, I am trying to tell you that the protest wasn't very effective, and far from getting more people to engage with the issues, it rather turned a lot off.

I mean, it doesn't come across as very equitable, that people who use a deformed baby to attack one person, can't tolerate being called snowflakes.

Snowflakes, out of all the collective names that can be used is hardly very hurtful is it?

The thing is, I do care about the bigger issues if Trump and Brexit, what is hacking me off is how namby Pamby protest is playing right into the image his supporters have of his opponents.

Sorry, you learn to read the body language, listen to the spokespeople and see what reaction it's getting, and in this vase, I'm afraid it was silly.

Try listening to people who disagree, they aren't necessarily bad people.

[Chic Murray]

OK, for the sake of argument let's assume that everyone at the protest fell into the pigeonhole you set them. Can you clarify if it was the protestors that "put you off", rather the subject of the protest? If you had been assured that the body of the protest group had been made up of your mates and those who had in your view appropriate social credentials, would you have protested the visit of Donald Trump?

See above it was the nature of the protest. If you want an audience to engage couch your message in their terms. It just seemed like a lot of smug sods congratulating each other on their superior morality.

By the way, play the ball, not the man.

[bigwheel]

See above it was the nature of the protest. If you want an audience to engage couch your message in their terms. It just seemed like a lot of smug sods congratulating each other on their superior morality.

By the way, play the ball, not the man.

To me, at least they got off the couch and chose to demonstrate against injustice ...rather than criticise those who do .

[bigwheel]

I don't actually have a problem with protests against Trump per se. As I said in my opening post, I'm no fan of his and I think some of the things he has said and reported to have done makes him unsuitable to hold the position of President of the USA. His conduct towards women as an example is shocking and certainly worthy of people showing their opposition.

However, in comparison with the leaders of the two nations I've mentioned I just think they are much more worthy of our disgust and I would just like to see as many people out on the streets the next time we welcome anyone like that to the UK as we saw over the last few days with Donald Trump.



I'm not doubting there were protests when the Chinese President visited but where was the media attention that the Trump visit has been getting? I don't remember much focus on it at all. China executes more people every year than every other country on the planet put together.

Their human rights record is disgraceful, people are regularly executed for very dubious reasons and people are imprisoned simply for challenging The Communist Party.

However our leaders seem to be quite happy to cosy up to them and don't appear to be questioning them on their human rights abuses.



Pretty much, yes. If these people are truly human rights activists and fighting inequality etc then why would you go to all that effort to oppose Trump but, by comparison, barely raise a whimper when two of the worst culprits of human rights abuses comes to town?

Many people protest actively against Chinese human rights - seems to be an issue you care about - would you protest st about it ? Because those who were on the streets yesterday are at least showing the say No to Trump’s prejudice and division ....showing the government that what they are doing is seen as not acceptable ...

Ps. On the “lots of other leaders don’t get the same protests” type of point ...

A factor here is that for generations we have been used to a decent level of value and principle alignment between the US policies and that of the UK...the reason for a great deal of unrest against Trump is that it is seen as a highly divisive, protectionist and racist set of policies from him..it’s unusual for such a different policy from the leader of the US

KSA and China etc do attract protests at home and abroad - but there is never the expectations of shared values and belief system within their politics ..so it is often less
Mainstream

[Moulin Yarns]

Settle, I am trying to tell you that the protest wasn't very effective, and far from getting more people to engage with the issues, it rather turned a lot off.

I mean, it doesn't come across as very equitable, that people who use a deformed baby to attack one person, can't tolerate being called snowflakes.

Snowflakes, out of all the collective names that can be used is hardly very hurtful is it?

The thing is, I do care about the bigger issues if Trump and Brexit, what is hacking me off is how namby Pamby protest is playing right into the image his supporters have of his opponents.

Sorry, you learn to read the body language, listen to the spokespeople and see what reaction it's getting, and in this vase, I'm afraid it was silly.

Try listening to people who disagree, they aren't necessarily bad people.

Now it it is getting silly. Were was there a deformed baby and how was it used?

[Chic Murray]

Now it it is getting silly. Were was there a deformed baby and how was it used?

Don't take me too seriously, but the Trump baby was a grotesque. It was not meant to look like a real baby, was it?

There were other examples of name calling. What's sauce for the house is sauce for the gander.

I mean, is snowflake that offensive anyway?

[Chic Murray]

To me, at least they got off the couch and chose to demonstrate against injustice ...rather than criticise those who do .

Maybe other people tackle injustice in other ways, and see the whole rent a mob thing a little superficial and pointless?

See what I mean about the moral superiority being used to justify what was, let's be honest, counterproductive at best, and pathetic protest

If people don't take the protesters seriously, then the message doesn't travel too far.

[Ryan69]

Aye, probably.

Monied people can't genuinely dislike mysoginist racists who grab women by the pussy and separate children from their parents and keep them in cages.

The cages part actually started under the Obama administration....but he was the media goldenboy.
He also deported 8 million illegal immigrants,but again...didnt suit the media agenda.

[Chic Murray]

The cages part actually started under the Obama administration....but he was the media goldenboy.
He also deported 8 million illegal immigrants,but again...didnt suit the media agenda.

Every US President from Eisenhower to Nixon, committed more and more resources to fighting in Vietnam, even though they knew they could not win the war

People have to be more inquisitive and see beyond black hat, white hat. Trump is a liar, but Clinton was a liar too - most Yanks didn't like Trump, it's just they disliked Clinton more.

[Moulin Yarns]

Don't take me too seriously, but the Trump baby was a grotesque. It was not meant to look like a real baby, was it?

There were other examples of name calling. What's sauce for the house is sauce for the gander.

I mean, is snowflake that offensive anyway?

Hang on. You are now saying there wasn't a deformed baby but you are saying that the balloon characature was grotesque. I think that was the point. It wasn't meant to be realistic, it was a bit of fun to portray Trump in the way he often acts.

[Chic Murray]

Hang on. You are now saying there wasn't a deformed baby but you are saying that the balloon characature was grotesque. I think that was the point. It wasn't meant to be realistic, it was a bit of fun to portray Trump in the way he often acts.

It was fun to poke fun at somebody else, but it's offensive to use an innocent word like snowflake to poke fun at the people poking fun.

Can't get my head round the double standards, and I'm not convinced I want such people speaking for me

Stop focussing on the word deformed. However should there be such a baby in existence, I think deformed would be a fair description.

[bigwheel]

Maybe other people tackle injustice in other ways, and see the whole rent a mob thing a little superficial and pointless?

See what I mean about the moral superiority being used to justify what was, let's be honest, counterproductive at best, and pathetic protest

If people don't take the protesters seriously, then the message doesn't travel too far.

Maybe they do...but if they do, I doubt they are the sort who call protesters pathetic......anyone who is willing to get out there and say.."No, not in my name" deserves respect in my view. Those who see it as counter productive in my experience don't care much about the cause...


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[Chic Murray]

Maybe they do...but if they do, I doubt they are the sort who call protesters pathetic......anyone who is willing to get out there and say.."No, not in my name" deserves respect in my view. Those who see it as counter productive in my experience don't care much about the cause...


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Your experience is limited then.

Do you want to effect change, or do you just want to be seen and heard?

Do you want to shape others views, or have you written those people off as pointless?

But, I hear what you're saying.

[bigwheel]

The cages part actually started under the Obama administration....but he was the media goldenboy.
He also deported 8 million illegal immigrants,but again...didnt suit the media agenda.

Sort of...You are right to imply that there was a record number of audited deportations of undocumented immigrants under the Obama regime...figures though are 5M not 8M... what you don't share is that the rise was partly due to a change in the data collection method. An independent audit concluded that like for like it was less than both Bush and Clinton regimes (10M and 12M respectively). It has also been quite a media discussed topic...so your didn't suit media agenda isn't true.

What also needs to be noted is that Trump and Obama have targeted very different groups for deportation. Obama's policies specifically focussed on violent criminals and those posing national security threats.

Trump focus is much more generalist....his enforcement policy defines a broader range of nationalities and types to be targeted. This sweeping approach means many more immigrants are considered deportation priorities.



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[bigwheel]

Your experience is limited then.

Do you want to effect change, or do you just want to be seen and heard?

Do you want to shape others views, or have you written those people off as pointless?

But, I hear what you're saying.

Chic.. your point about "should people do things to affect change" is a decent one to raise and explore....your dismissal of those who protest, such as yesterday, comes over as petty and disrespectful ...


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[NORTHERNHIBBY]

The way that the Greenpeace protesters got so near even with the police tip off is priceless. Donald where's yir bruisers?

[Chic Murray]

Chic.. your point about "should people do things to affect change" is a decent one to raise and explore....your dismissal of those who protest, such as yesterday, comes over as petty and disrespectful ...


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Thanks, I can understand where you are coming from. It's ironic that the same charge can be put to the protesters.

As I've said, it's ok for them to lampoon others, but when they are the target it's not acceptable.

From where I am, they seem as childish and dishonest as Trump

But, they are allowed to make their point, just as they are allowed to be the subject of ridicule

At the end of the day I hope they can reflect on what they can do to get more people on board, and stop giving ammunition to the far right.

[bigwheel]

Thanks, I can understand where you are coming from. It's ironic that the same charge can be put to the protesters.

As I've said, it's ok for them to lampoon others, but when they are the target it's not acceptable.

From where I am, they seem as childish and dishonest as Trump

But, they are allowed to make their point, just as they are allowed to be the subject of ridicule

At the end of the day I hope they can reflect on what they can do to get more people on board, and stop giving ammunition to the far right.

People can feel free to voice any opinion they wish....pro or against....for me, I actually like the humour that has developed in the protest culture in recent times. May as well have some fun as you try to protest against the madness of the current world...it doesn't reduce their impact to me. As as for supplying ammunition. The far-right seem to be hugely sophisticated in creating their own, so don't see that as a material point...enjoy your Sunday!


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[Chic Murray]

People can feel free to voice any opinion they wish....pro or against....for me, I actually like the humour that has developed in the protest culture in recent times. May as well have some fun as you try to protest against the madness of the current world...it doesn't reduce their impact to me. As as for supplying ammunition. The far-right seem to be hugely sophisticated in creating their own, so don't see that as a material point...enjoy your Sunday!


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Interesting, it was satire that brought down the Soviet Union. Once people start laughing at you, the games up.

Still can't help thinking the protesters would be better off with signs with "down with this sort of thing" on them

[Moulin Yarns]

The word is RUNT but my hand kept ****ing it up accidentally https://t.co/4IU3mTcCXy

[Moulin Yarns]

https://janeygodley.podomatic.com/

Most recent one is worth a listen

[Jack]

Just seen this :

“Thing is, with Trump here in the UK he's not even the worst political leader in the UK at the moment, Theresa "weak and wobbly" May takes that honour hands down. I kind of wish the effort being put into protesting against Trump was protests against May. Protesting about Trump is pointless, it means nothing to him, doesn't effect him and certainly won't make him change in any way. Protests the size of the London one against May and the handling of Brexit would be far more productive.”

He has a point.

[Ozymandias]

Settle, I am trying to tell you that the protest wasn't very effective, and far from getting more people to engage with the issues, it rather turned a lot off.

I mean, it doesn't come across as very equitable, that people who use a deformed baby to attack one person, can't tolerate being called snowflakes.

Snowflakes, out of all the collective names that can be used is hardly very hurtful is it?

The thing is, I do care about the bigger issues if Trump and Brexit, what is hacking me off is how namby Pamby protest is playing right into the image his supporters have of his opponents.

Sorry, you learn to read the body language, listen to the spokespeople and see what reaction it's getting, and in this vase, I'm afraid it was silly.

Try listening to people who disagree, they aren't necessarily bad people.

Who is offended at the term snowflake? Not me. My point was it is a term often used as a lazy generalisation to attempt to generate a reaction. You used it, and then started straw-manning the life out of it in subsequent posts.

You've dismissed the protests/protestors as "namby-pamby", "silly". "pitiful", "effete, pampered, and privileged", "smug sods", "childish and dishonest". Like other posters this thread is that you seem to be annoyed that people aren't protesting in the right way. What would have been the right thing to do in your mind if you were sufficiently moved by Trumps presence to want to mark it in some democratic show?

[Saturday Boy]

Just seen this :

“Thing is, with Trump here in the UK he's not even the worst political leader in the UK at the moment, Theresa "weak and wobbly" May takes that honour hands down. I kind of wish the effort being put into protesting against Trump was protests against May. Protesting about Trump is pointless, it means nothing to him, doesn't effect him and certainly won't make him change in any way. Protests the size of the London one against May and the handling of Brexit would be far more productive.”

He has a point.


Please tell me that’s from Boris’ Twitter. (Insert big smiley here)

[Chic Murray]

Who is offended at the term snowflake? Not me. My point was it is a term often used as a lazy generalisation to attempt to generate a reaction. You used it, and then started straw-manning the life out of it in subsequent posts.

You've dismissed the protests/protestors as "namby-pamby", "silly". "pitiful", "effete, pampered, and privileged", "smug sods", "childish and dishonest". Like other posters this thread is that you seem to be annoyed that people aren't protesting in the right way. What would have been the right thing to do in your mind if you were sufficiently moved by Trumps presence to want to mark it in some democratic show?

Well that's really for the organisers to reflect on, once they evaluate the exercise.

I hope they'd be mature enough to accept that when they hear the same story from enough people there might be something in it.

I'd start off by suggesting that not getting angry when people point out your failings would get more people to listen

I really wish you guys would stop making it so easy for the right. That protest just played right into their narrative that an out of touch elite is running the country

You snarling and shouting people down reinforces it. So, please accept, you had a piss poor turnout and the message didn't carry as well as it might have

[Ozymandias]

Well that's really for the organisers to reflect on, once they evaluate the exercise.

I hope they'd be mature enough to accept that when they hear the same story from enough people there might be something in it.

I'd start off by suggesting that not getting angry when people point out your failings would get more people to listen

I really wish you guys would stop making it so easy for the right. That protest just played right into their narrative that an out of touch elite is running the country

You snarling and shouting people down reinforces it. So, please accept, you had a piss poor turnout and the message didn't carry as well as it might have

I didn't ask what you thought the organisers should do. I asked you what you would do/deem to be the correct type of protest, given your dismissal of what did take place.

As for making it easy for the right - and assuming you are not on that side of the spectrum - I tend to think that it is you, who by parroting their talking points, legitimises their stance. Arguing with the right is usually a futile exercise anyway.

By the way, how on earth do you get that a turnout that in your mind was so bad backs up the view that an elite is running things? You get that from a few vox pop interviews? And finally - I didn't have a piss-poor turnout. I had zero involvement and didn't attend. I do have respect for those who did, and think the pettiness of the criticism does you no favour.

[Chic Murray]

I didn't ask what you thought the organisers should do. I asked you what you would do/deem to be the correct type of protest, given your dismissal of what did take place.

As for making it easy for the right - and assuming you are not on that side of the spectrum - I tend to think that it is you, who by parroting their talking points, legitimises their stance. Arguing with the right is usually a futile exercise anyway.

By the way, how on earth do you get that a turnout that in your mind was so bad backs up the view that an elite is running things? You get that from a few vox pop interviews? And finally - I didn't have a piss-poor turnout. I had zero involvement and didn't attend. I do have respect for those who did, and think the pettiness of the criticism does you no favour.p

Would you not be better asking somebody whose skill set is getting the message out, rather than somebody who received it

What I would do is of no consequence. I've already told you I am a mentalist

I'm not a right winger, I think I know how they think though. I work with a lot of them. You are dealing with inverted snobs who basically see themselves as put on by "them"

It's kind of hard to tie them down to who "they" actually are, but it seems to be anybody who they see as looking down.

If my criticism is petty, it's a reaction to what I saw as foolish, futile and petty behaviour.

[Ozymandias]

p

Would you not be better asking somebody whose skill set is getting the message out, rather than somebody who received it

What I would do is of no consequence. I've already told you I am a mentalist

I'm not a right winger, I think I know how they think though. I work with a lot of them. You are dealing with inverted snobs who basically see themselves as put on by "them"

It's kind of hard to tie them down to who "they" actually are, but it seems to be anybody who they see as looking down.

If my criticism is petty, it's a reaction to what I saw as foolish, futile and petty behaviour.

It is of consequence - I'm interested because you're so against what happened it just seems odd that you wouldn't have an idea of how it should have been done better. Criticising without any idea of an alternative is ultimately howling at the moon stuff.

I think you've nailed the right wings stance on things though - on that we can agree at least.

[Moulin Yarns]

Best thing chic Murray said


Do you know the battersea dogs home?

I didn't even know it had been away.

[CropleyWasGod]

Best thing chic Murray said


Do you know the battersea dogs home?

I didn't even know it had been away.

Are you a pole-vaulter?

No, I'm a German. How did you know my name was Wolter?

[Moulin Yarns]

God bless the internet 😂
https://t.co/zs2JgmS4ez

[Moulin Yarns]

Are you a pole-vaulter?

No, I'm a German. How did you know my name was Wolter?

Hope I've got this right.


I was looking out the window and saw this man walking past, and he lifted the gate off the hinges. I was going to go out and give him what for but was afraid he might take offence.

[CropleyWasGod]

Hope I've got this right.


I was looking out the window and saw this man walking past, and he lifted the gate off the hinges. I was going to go out and give him what for but was afraid he might take offence.

:greengrin

I knocked, and this woman opened the door in her nightgown.

I thought "funny place to have a door".

[Moulin Yarns]

:greengrin

I knocked, and this woman opened the door in her nightgown.

I thought "funny place to have a door".

I once met a cowboy who had trousers, shirt and hat made of brown paper, he was wanted for rustling.

[Chic Murray]

Best thing chic Murray said


Do you know the battersea dogs home?

I didn't even know it had been away.

At last!:aok:

So, I was going to a wedding in Blackpool, and I asked this lady at the other table, "what's the best way to walk"

She said, "put one foot in front of the other".

I saw her later that day coming towards me in the street. I knew she was coming towards me, she was getting bigger all the time.

She had an incredibly long nose . the woman with the extraordinarily long nose. I've nothing against long noses – they run in our family.

When the woman hung her hooter in the air, she was able to say, with absolute certainty: "There's someone cooking cabbage in Manchester".

[Chic Murray]

It is of consequence - I'm interested because you're so against what happened it just seems odd that you wouldn't have an idea of how it should have been done better. Criticising without any idea of an alternative is ultimately howling at the moon stuff.

I think you've nailed the right wings stance on things though - on that we can agree at least.

Can't believe I spent the whole of yesterday doing anything that would remotely appear to be pro Trump.

After reflecting, the demo was meant to be silly, I get that now. If people chose that way to mark history's card, so be it.

You ask what I would do differently. Firstly, I'd be demonstrating at the Foreign Office.

I quite liked the poll tax riots as a way of changing things, and I also admire the Women in Black.

Trump is a buffoon just now, but I fear his second term may turn very sinister, I think our government should stay away

One thing on how people perceived it though. Next time you look at Jacob Rees - Mogg and think "that's everything that's wrong with the right". Stop for a minute and consider that some of the exhibitionists on display on Saturday are probably representative of how right wingers see the left.

I fear we are drifting into the Rainbow Coalition territory that was so disastrous in the 80s.

[CropleyWasGod]

At last!:aok:

So, I was going to a wedding in Blackpool, and I asked this lady at the other table, "what's the best way to walk"

She said, "put one foot in front of the other".

I saw her later that day coming towards me in the street. I knew she was coming towards me, she was getting bigger all the time.

She had an incredibly long nose . the woman with the extraordinarily long nose. I've nothing against long noses – they run in our family.

When the woman hung her hooter in the air, she was able to say, with absolute certainty: "There's someone cooking cabbage in Manchester".She fell over, and her nose lodged in the tram tracks. So we just threw one of her legs over the power line and pushed her all the way to Squire's Gate.

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[Chic Murray]

She fell over, and her nose lodged in the tram tracks. So we just threw one of her legs over the power line and pushed her all the way to Squire's Gate.

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The next day at breakfast they brought me honey. It was in a cup the size of a thimble. I said, "oh, I see you keep a bee'

[CropleyWasGod]

The next day at breakfast they brought me honey. It was in a cup the size of a thimble. I said, "oh, I see you keep a bee'

She asked me "Aperitif?"

"Why? Is the steak tough?"


"Would you like a Macon?"

"Why? You going to spill it?"



Sigh.... :greengrin

[Chic Murray]

She asked me "Aperitif?"

"Why? Is the steak tough?"


"Would you like a Macon?"

"Why? You going to spill it?"



Sigh.... :greengrin

I told my psychiatrist, "when I was five I wanted to be a doctor".

He said, "why didn't you?"

I said, "they didn't let five year olds into medical school".

:lips seal

[Smartie]

I thought this was meant to be the Donald Trump thread?

Off you go, you small boys.

[CropleyWasGod]

I thought this was meant to be the Donald Trump thread?

Off you go, you small boys.

:greengrin

[WeeRussell]

I’m certainly not a fan of mr Trump, nor am I against protesting against his policies and position as a world leader.

I’m not sure how all the personal insults used in protest sits with me in terms of criticising someone for being a hateful character, though. Maybe I’m just reading too much into it though.

I despise his fanboy Piers Morgan a lot more than trump though. I never seek to find Piers Morgan comments or pictures but somehow he always manages to appear. **** of the highest order.

[Chic Murray]

I thought this was meant to be the Donald Trump thread?

Off you go, you small boys.

Have you given the petit choux any more thoughts?




Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_script.php?movie=gregorys-girl

[heretoday]

I’m certainly not a fan of mr Trump, nor am I against protesting against his policies and position as a world leader.

I’m not sure how all the personal insults used in protest sits with me in terms of criticising someone for being a hateful character, though. Maybe I’m just reading too much into it though.

I despise his fanboy Piers Morgan a lot more than trump though. I never seek to find Piers Morgan comments or pictures but somehow he always manages to appear. **** of the highest order.

Morgan's an old hack and a wind-up merchant.

We should worry less about Trump and more about our own problems which are considerable.

[Mibbes Aye]

She asked me "Aperitif?"

"Why? Is the steak tough?"


"Would you like a Macon?"

"Why? You going to spill it?"



Sigh.... :greengrin

I was walking down the street with a half-bottle of whisky in my back pocket. I fell over and felt something wet down the back of my leg. I remember thinking "God, please let it be blood".......

[Chic Murray]

I was walking down the street with a half-bottle of whisky in my back pocket. I fell over and felt something wet down the back of my leg. I remember thinking "God, please let it be blood".......

A woman came across to me, she said, 'did you fall"?

I said, "no, I'm breaking a bar of toffee in my back pocket."

[RyeSloan]

Interesting stuff from Cohen at his court hearing....is this the beginning of the end for Trump?

[Dashing Bob S]

Interesting stuff from Cohen at his court hearing....is this the beginning of the end for Trump?

He’s too much of an asshole to go to prison. They would have to invent a new wing for him like the beasts wing ‘ the assholes wing.’

[Colr]

I loved his botox-faced wife lecturing about the harm caused by trolling on social media.

[Sylar]

Pretty incendiary stuff from Cohen, but while it might help in bringing about some serious scrutiny of Trump, the **** will probably find himself evading any real issues.

What IS good to see is that Cohen is likely to spend a long period of time in jail for his part. Which is good, as the man is ****. Pure and unadulterated ****.

[Chic Murray]

Pretty incendiary stuff from Cohen, but while it might help in bringing about some serious scrutiny of Trump, the **** will probably find himself evading any real issues.

What IS good to see is that Cohen is likely to spend a long period of time in jail for his part. Which is good, as the man is ****. Pure and unadulterated ****.

Do you think there is anything in the suggestion that Cohen is trying to strike a deal? After all, it's not been proved that Trump had knowledge, there's only an allegation just now.

[RyeSloan]

Do you think there is anything in the suggestion that Cohen is trying to strike a deal? After all, it's not been proved that Trump had knowledge, there's only an allegation just now.

More than allegation.

Testimony under oath

Phone call recordings


The matter of fact in terms of the payments being made are now accepted.

The implications of that were prison for Cohen, quite what they mean for Trump remains to be seen...

[Hibernia&Alba]

More than allegation.

Testimony under oath

Phone call recordings


The matter of fact in terms of the payments being made are now accepted.

The implications of that were prison for Cohen, quite what they mean for Trump remains to be seen...

Thing is nothing sticks to Trump; he isn't held to the same standard of 'normal' politicians. His supporters will excuse him for ANYTHING, in a cult like way. Let's see whether this latest hush money scandal finally does for him, as it should. I have my doubts.

[Ozymandias]

Do you think there is anything in the suggestion that Cohen is trying to strike a deal? After all, it's not been proved that Trump had knowledge, there's only an allegation just now.

Phone call recording by Cohen confirms he did know as he discussed it
Testimony from Cohen confirmed it further
He denied it on camera on Air Force One a few months ago
He confirmed on an interview on Fox last week he used his own money.

The man is a pathological liar.

[Pretty Boy]

His refusal to issue the standard proclamation for the flag to be flown at half mast for John McCain, the White House flag not being lowered and him sitting with his arms folded refusing to acknowledge questions on the subject from reporters sum the mans mentality up.

Whatever your views on McCains politics he was a towering figure in US politics and his ordeal in Vietnam entitles him to comment from the sitting President.

[Future17]

Trump warns evangelical leaders they won't be able to say "Merry Christmas" anymore if Democrats win in the midterms.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45340275

[Lendo]

Trump warns evangelical leaders they won't be able to say "Merry Christmas" anymore if Democrats win in the midterms.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45340275

People believe this!!! What is happening to this world!?!?!?

[Hibrandenburg]

Just watching his live press conference from New York. Comedy pure.

[heretoday]

This nutter will be around for another two years or so.
If he gets re-elected America will be shown to be full of very stupid people.

[wpj]

Have seen his latest press conferences, he is unbelievably arrogant and detached from reality. It's like Will Ferral had got a blond wig and has made a Ron Burgundy for the whitehouse. His comment about China respecting him and his brain? WTF?

[Hibrandenburg]

I watched the whole press conference and noticed his statement about the Kurds has gone completely under the radar. I'm surprised that Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria haven't gone ballistic.

[Smartie]

I watched the whole press conference and noticed his statement about the Kurds has gone completely under the radar. I'm surprised that Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria haven't gone ballistic.

Hopefully they've all realised he's a complete tool that's not to be taken seriously.

A tool with a really big brain, mind.

[lucky]

This nutter will be around for another two years or so.
If he gets re-elected America will be shown to be full of very stupid people.

I’m just back from the states and sadly lots are still backing him because their economy is growing and unemployment is down. The ones I spoke to all claim it’s down to his “America First” policy. The failure of ordinary Americans to look beyond their own pocket is not surprising. They genuinely don’t care that Trump is regarded a fool across the world as long as the dollars keep coming their way.

[IGRIGI]

I’m just back from the states and sadly lots are still backing him because their economy is growing and unemployment is down. The ones I spoke to all claim it’s down to his “America First” policy. The failure of ordinary Americans to look beyond their own pocket is not surprising. They genuinely don’t care that Trump is regarded a fool across the world as long as the dollars keep coming their way.

Why should they care? Economy booming, unemployment at historically low levels, tackling countries who have ripped off the US for years, jobs coming back to industries long presumed dead, I wouldn't give a **** either what those in Europe thought given the economic performance across the continent.

[johnbc70]

I’m just back from the states and sadly lots are still backing him because their economy is growing and unemployment is down. The ones I spoke to all claim it’s down to his “America First” policy. The failure of ordinary Americans to look beyond their own pocket is not surprising. They genuinely don’t care that Trump is regarded a fool across the world as long as the dollars keep coming their way.

You almost sound down that the economy is growing and employment increasing? That's good thing is it not?

Do you really think a factory worker in West Virginia cares how Trump is viewed by people in other countries? Or do they care they have better job prospects and feel better off than 2 years ago.

I bet I know what they care about more.

[Hibrandenburg]

You almost sound down that the economy is growing and employment increasing? That's good thing is it not?

Do you really think a factory worker in West Virginia cares how Trump is viewed by people in other countries? Or do they care they have better job prospects and feel better off than 2 years ago.

I bet I know what they care about more.

That's onĺy if you believe Trump is responsible for the upturn in economic growth. However the upturn started under Obama and Trump is riding the wake of policy set in place by the democrats.

[johnbc70]

That's onĺy if you believe Trump is responsible for the upturn in economic growth. However the upturn started under Obama and Trump is riding the wake of policy set in place by the democrats.

Does the factory worker care?

[Hibrandenburg]

Does the factory worker care?

At the latest next time he's stood in front of a ballot box.

[lucky]

You almost sound down that the economy is growing and employment increasing? That's good thing is it not?

Do you really think a factory worker in West Virginia cares how Trump is viewed by people in other countries? Or do they care they have better job prospects and feel better off than 2 years ago.

I bet I know what they care about more.

Only thing I’m down about is the prospect that Trump will get elected again. The trade wars he’s launched has given their economy a short term boost but over time it will increase inflation and as result slow down consumer spending leading to higher unemployment rates.

[Chic Murray]

You almost sound down that the economy is growing and employment increasing? That's good thing is it not?

Do you really think a factory worker in West Virginia cares how Trump is viewed by people in other countries? Or do they care they have better job prospects and feel better off than 2 years ago.

I bet I know what they care about more.

Is the answer, "high calorie foods and tasteless lager?"

He'll care plenty when Trump starts to force wages down, and sends in the National Guard to deal with any protests.

[johnbc70]

Is the answer, "high calorie foods and tasteless lager?"

Do you think you are better than them?

[Chic Murray]

Do you think you are better than them?

Have a word mate, and read the second part of my post.

[johnbc70]

Have a word mate, and read the second part of my post.

I think you added that as I quoted your post, might be wrong though.

But still your comment comes across as sneering at them and an attitude of your better than them.

[Chic Murray]

I think you added that as I quoted your post, might be wrong though.

But still your comment comes across as sneering at them and an attitude of your better than them.

Right, say I do think I'm better than them (which I don't) what difference does that make?

I see you still haven't responded to my real point.

[Future17]

Does the factory worker care?

Does the factory worker care whether Democratic or Republican policies are responsible for improved conditions/prospects? Of course they do. Why wouldn't they?

[johnbc70]

Right, say I do think I'm better than them (which I don't) what difference does that make?

I see you still haven't responded to my real point.

We will see if the national guard on are on the streets of West Virginia anytime soon.

Very snobbish attitude, unless your in their situation who are you to tell them who to vote for? Came across as stupid Americans, more interested in fast food and cheap beer. A sweeping generalisation.

[Chic Murray]

We will see if the national guard on are on the streets of West Virginia anytime soon.

Very snobbish attitude, unless your in their situation who are you to tell them who to vote for? Came across as stupid Americans, more interested in fast food and cheap beer. A sweeping generalisation.

You want salt and sauce with that chip on your shoulder?

Sorry if that's how it came across to you. If I told you that middle class Americans also are interested in fast food and tasteless beer, would you be happier?

If you read it again, I didn't tell anybody who to vote for, I speculated on the possible outcome of a second term for Trump.

I didn't say anything about the price of beer, either. I think you are the one with prejudice, to be honest.

Inverted snobbery is the worst kind, because not only do you detest people for what they are, but you hold yourself and everyone else back.

[Future17]

We will see if the national guard on are on the streets of West Virginia anytime soon.

Very snobbish attitude, unless your in their situation who are you to tell them who to vote for? Came across as stupid Americans, more interested in fast food and cheap beer. A sweeping generalisation.

Given that you were the one querying whether "factory workers" care, I find it a bit ironic for you to be accusing others of having a snobbish attitude.

[johnbc70]

Given that you were the one querying whether "factory workers" care, I find it a bit ironic for you to be accusing others of having a snobbish attitude.

What I said is I don't think they care that Trump is viewed as a fool abroad. Do you think that they care what people in the UK think of him, doubt it.

[CapitalGreen]

What I said is I don't think they care that Trump is viewed as a fool abroad. Do you think that they care what people in the UK think of him, doubt it.

Seems like a sweeping generalisation to me.

I know a lot of British voters care greatly how our leaders and country is viewed abroad. Particularly as in this ever globalised world, our nations foreign policy can have have great impacts at home.

Why do you think American's would not care the same? Do you think they are more self-centered and insular than British voters? not as as sophisticated?

You shouldn't look down your nose at factory workers from West Virginia, they are probably no more or less sophisticated voters than anywhere else in the world.

[Future17]

What I said is I don't think they care that Trump is viewed as a fool abroad. Do you think that they care what people in the UK think of him, doubt it.

Except that isn't what you said. You responded to this post:


That's onĺy if you believe Trump is responsible for the upturn in economic growth. However the upturn started under Obama and Trump is riding the wake of policy set in place by the democrats.

With this statement:


Does the factory worker care?

It may not have been your intention to suggest factory workers may not care about why there has been economic upturn, but that is exactly how it reads.

Anyway, in answer to your restated question, I would imagine a lot of factory workers care about how their President is viewed. It may not be as important to them as their own financial bottom line, but that doesn't mean they don't care.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The New York Times has printed a 'bombshell' story of Trump's tax fraud, going back decades. Only thing is a number of investigative journalists, notably David Cay Johnston, have been trying to bring this issue to public attention for years. Now the NYT prints it on the front page and everyone is amazed? Trump himself has boasted of not paying taxes, claiming that makes him 'smart'. His corruption in business over the years is legendary, but now everyone has their eyes opened suddenly? His supporters won't care anyway; they'll shout fake news and ignore the latest scandal.


https://youtu.be/kX7OmK8I-v0

[Hibernia&Alba]

Trump's tax and spend: evade taxes and spend his dad's money.


https://youtu.be/RyYn1c5CVy4

[Chic Murray]

Trump's tax and spend: evade taxes and spend his dad's money.


https://youtu.be/RyYn1c5CVy4

If they voted for a man who used racism and homophobia as his USP, I can't see this bothering them.

Poor old Nixon must be wondering where he went wrong.

[Future17]

Has now had a pop at Prof. Ford's testimony a couple of days after calling it compelling.

He's not even trying to maintain a front of consistency.

[Hibs Class]

Has now had a pop at Prof. Ford's testimony a couple of days after calling it compelling.

He's not even trying to maintain a front of consistency.

Or decency. He's utterly disgusting.

[IGRIGI]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MJEx_t4VTgQ


Happy Triggering snowflakes :greengrin

[Chic Murray]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MJEx_t4VTgQ


Happy Triggering snowflakes :greengrin

Reminds me of John Lee Hooker, One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer. Pretty good delivery, it has to be said.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I always thought it would be Trump's past financial conduct, including tax evasion, which would be his undoing. However, he isn't held to same standard as anyone else who has been in politics. It seems he can say/do anything and go untouched. Anybody else who had started the 'birther' conspiracy about Obama, for example, wouldn't have been able to run for the presidency, let alone win it. It's reached the stage where he can seemingly do anything and survive. Perhaps he was right: maybe he could shoot someone in broad daylight in New York but get off. :confused:


We'll see what happens, but I suspect his supporters will cry 'media conspiracy' and the Republicans in Congress will protect him.

[Hibrandenburg]

I always thought it would be Trump's past financial conduct, including tax evasion, which would be his undoing. However, he isn't held to same standard as anyone else who has been in politics. It seems he can say/do anything and go untouched. Anybody else who had started the 'birther' conspiracy about Obama, for example, wouldn't have been able to run for the presidency, let alone win it. It's reached the stage where he can seemingly do anything and survive. Perhaps he was right: maybe he could shoot someone in broad daylight in New York but get off. :confused:


We'll see what happens, but I suspect his supporters will cry 'media conspiracy' and the Republicans in Congress will protect him.

It says more about the American electorate than about Trump tbh.

[matty_f]

I always thought it would be Trump's past financial conduct, including tax evasion, which would be his undoing. However, he isn't held to same standard as anyone else who has been in politics. It seems he can say/do anything and go untouched. Anybody else who had started the 'birther' conspiracy about Obama, for example, wouldn't have been able to run for the presidency, let alone win it. It's reached the stage where he can seemingly do anything and survive. Perhaps he was right: maybe he could shoot someone in broad daylight in New York but get off. :confused:


We'll see what happens, but I suspect his supporters will cry 'media conspiracy' and the Republicans in Congress will protect him.

It's mental. I saw somewhere that the biggest Presidential scandal for Obama was when he saluted two soldiers whilst he was holding a cup of coffee. (I haven't fact-checked this, so I could well be wrong).

This performance was disgusting though, on the back of disrespectful remarks to a female journalist, the guy is a grade A welt.

Given what has happened already, it's hard to see what will catch him out eventually. He seems to be made of Teflon.

[Peevemor]

I'm convinced that he's really Mike Myers having us all on.

[Chic Murray]

"The carnage stops now!"

It's about time someone took a tough stance on gun ownership.


Who will hand in their guns, the good guys, or the bad guys?

[Hibrandenburg]

Who will hand in their guns, the good guys, or the bad guys?

Sensible would be to make all those who get caught with guns the bad guys.

[staunchhibby]

He is a first class twat.Opens his mouth and spouts absolute garbage.

[Ozymandias]

My daughter, something of a rabid liberal herself, went long to the trump rally in West Virginia the other night (the one where he declared the mutual love he and Kim Jong Un have) as she is studying not far away and thought it would be interesting.
Her view was that it was monstrously depressing. The crowd (not anywhere near full despite the claim of 10,000 waiting to get in - I saw the pics) howled at everything, and content was crass, totally lacking any substance and rambling beyond coherence.
A thoroughly squalid event, by all accounts.

[Chic Murray]

Sensible would be to make all those who get caught with guns the bad guys.

Going to need a bigger boat.


He is a first class twat.Opens his mouth and spouts absolute garbage.

I thought that was a prerequisite for any political post?

[Hibernia&Alba]

It's hard to be shocked by anything in the Trump presidency, but this actually is shocking.


https://youtu.be/rrf5ntxRZQs

[theonlywayisup]

Trump has a very public argument with a CNN reporter ‘You are a rude, terrible person.’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/nov/07/you-are-a-rude-terrible-person-trump-attacks-cnn-reporter-video

Have to say, don't think the CNN reporter came across that good.

[theonlywayisup]

Trump has a very public argument with a CNN reporter ‘You are a rude, terrible person.’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/nov/07/you-are-a-rude-terrible-person-trump-attacks-cnn-reporter-video

Have to say, don't think the CNN reporter came across that good.

CNN reporter now banned from the White House.

White House blaming an incident because he put his hands on a young woman.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46133268

[Beefster]

CNN reporter now banned from the White House.

White House blaming an incident because he put his hands on a young woman.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46133268

Blatant lie. They've wanted to punish him by revoking his pass and if they can potentially trash his reputation with ‘the base’ some more, all the better.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Jeff Sessions sacked as Attorney General. It's been reported for months that Sessions was for the tin tack, due to recusing himself from the Mueller investigation. That's the thanks he gets for giving up a senate seat and being the first big name to endorse Trump. He's a digusting person, so don't feel pity for him.

[Hibs Class]

Trump has a very public argument with a CNN reporter ‘You are a rude, terrible person.’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/nov/07/you-are-a-rude-terrible-person-trump-attacks-cnn-reporter-video

Have to say, don't think the CNN reporter came across that good.

Reporter was absolutely fine. Trump used various avoidance techniques which the reporter refused to be obstructed by, so Trump then tried to bully his way out of it

[matty_f]

CNN reporter now banned from the White House.

White House blaming an incident because he put his hands on a young woman.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46133268

He shouldn't have touched her arm, if he'd grabbed her by the p**sy he'd have been fine.

[makaveli1875]

Reporter was absolutely fine. Trump used various avoidance techniques which the reporter refused to be obstructed by, so Trump then tried to bully his way out of it

To be fair the press conference was about the mid term elections and the reporter was going on about Russia when Trump shut him down , the Russia thing was 2016 but Acosta cant help himself from bringing it up every time he's near a camera/microphone.

[Hibrandenburg]

To be fair the press conference was about the mid term elections and the reporter was going on about Russia when Trump shut him down , the Russia thing was 2016 but Acosta cant help himself from bringing it up every time he's near a camera/microphone.

To be really fair it's an on going investigation and the results of the midterms mean the democrats have a better chance of perusing the accusations.

[Hibrandenburg]

He shouldn't have touched her arm, if he'd grabbed her by the p**sy he'd have been fine.

:faf:

[ballengeich]

Trump has a very public argument with a CNN reporter ‘You are a rude, terrible person.’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/nov/07/you-are-a-rude-terrible-person-trump-attacks-cnn-reporter-video

Have to say, don't think the CNN reporter came across that good.

I suspect the other reporters who couldn't get a question in might sympathise with the president's comment. However, the phrase "takes one to know one" has rarely been more apposite.

[silverhibee]

For a wee 2nd I thought Trump was going to try and grab the mic from the reporter.

[Just Alf]

Trump not attending the cemetery for the fallen American soldiers because of the weather... He's sending a woman instead (Kelly and his wife).

:rolleyes:

[Future17]

Trump not attending the cemetery for the fallen American soldiers because of the weather... He's sending a woman instead (Kelly and his wife).

:rolleyes:

Will be hard to spin that, even to his base.

[Pretty Boy]

Will be hard to spin that, even to his base.

It will be interesting to see the reaction to this given the hysterical nonsense, orchestrated by Trump, about the NFL anthem protesters 'disrespecting the military'.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Will be hard to spin that, even to his base.

His base won't care; he can do anything and still retain their support. Remember when he said John McCain wasn't a war hero because 'heroes don't get captured'. This from a guy who obtained multiple deferrals (draft dodging) from Vietnam because of 'bone spurs' in his heels. His supporters looked past that. He's totally fireproof.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Trump not attending the cemetery for the fallen American soldiers because of the weather... He's sending a woman instead (Kelly and his wife).

:rolleyes:

Water on candyfloss doesn't end well.

[Hibernia&Alba]

This is good


https://youtu.be/SZ2L-R8NgrA

[Hibernia&Alba]

https://youtu.be/4PWsSIJQVWw

[Hibbyradge]

It's incredible how unlucky The Donald has been with his friends and allies.

An honourable and honest man like him must be wondering how all this has happened without him knowing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47002713

I haven't been paying a lot of attention over the years, but it's probably quite common for most of a President's associates to be charged with criminal offences. :dunno:

[Fife-Hibee]

It's incredible how unlucky The Donald has been with his friends and allies.

An honourable and honest man like him must be wondering how all this has happened without him knowing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47002713

I haven't been paying a lot of attention over the years, but it's probably quite common for most of a President's associates to be charged with criminal offences. :dunno:

Not in America.

We better get used to it. They're going to be our main trading partners soon.

[Hibbyradge]

Not in America.

We better get used to it. They're going to be our main trading partners soon.

I take it you use the word "partners" loosely?

"Masters" will be more accurate if Trump is in charge.

[Slavers]

It's incredible how unlucky The Donald has been with his friends and allies.

An honourable and honest man like him must be wondering how all this has happened without him knowing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47002713

I haven't been paying a lot of attention over the years, but it's probably quite common for most of a President's associates to be charged with criminal offences. :dunno:

Well at least he is not flying on the lolita express like the Clintons.

[Colr]

Well at least he is not flying on the lolita express like the Clintons.

You sure he’s not?

[Slavers]

You sure he’s not?

Can't be sure of course. Tbh I'm not fan or trump I think he is a Satanist and most probably a dirty creep.

But the Clintons have been known to have been on it.

Its just the hypocritical bashing of trump that sticks in the craw. The Clintons are vile **** but you won't hear a word against them from HibbyRadge he keeps it all for trump.

Why call out one but not the other?

[RyeSloan]

Not in America.

We better get used to it. They're going to be our main trading partners soon.

We are used to it already...the US is Scotland’s biggest international export market.


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[Smartie]

Can't be sure of course. Tbh I'm not fan or trump I think he is a Satanist and most probably a dirty creep.

But the Clintons have been known to have been on it.

Its just the hypocritical bashing of trump that sticks in the craw. The Clintons are vile **** but you won't hear a word against them from HibbyRadge he keeps it all for trump.

Why call out one but not the other?

Have most of the world's population not accepted that one of the main reasons we ended up with the ghastly Trump was because it was a straight shootout between him and the ghastly Clinton?

[Hibbyradge]

Can't be sure of course. Tbh I'm not fan or trump I think he is a Satanist and most probably a dirty creep.

But the Clintons have been known to have been on it.

Its just the hypocritical bashing of trump that sticks in the craw. The Clintons are vile **** but you won't hear a word against them from HibbyRadge he keeps it all for trump.

Why call out one but not the other?

Are the Clintons in power again?

How did I miss that?

[Slavers]

Have most of the world's population not accepted that one of the main reasons we ended up with the ghastly Trump was because it was a straight shootout between him and the ghastly Clinton?

True but it's a bit rich slating Trump's associates when the very person you Championed for the US presidency had even worse connections but never mentioned them.

All the deaths connected to the Clintons not a peep said.

Same with the indy ref and brexit vote. It's a total disregard for the outcome of vote just a onward push for a new vote and overturn the decision.

If and when Indy ref 2 happens then the same forces that have tried to thwart brexit will go and try thwart scottish independence. The people who will complain that the establishment are stopping scottish independence are the same people taking glee now as they watch the same establishment trying to stop Brexit.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Here's a bizarre one, or at least I thought it was. Quite ridiculous really.

My father is coming over from the States next week to bury his last remaining sibling. He's bringing his American wife and a close personal friend who's never been outside America. No visas required for each visitor.

My son is coming over in August from Shanghai, bringing his friend who's never been outside China. His friend needs to have a minimum of £6000 to be allowed to enter the UK, of which will be put in a holding pot until he departs.

[Slavers]

Here's a bizarre one, or at least I thought it was. Quite ridiculous really.

My father is coming over from the States next week to bury his last remaining sibling. He's bringing his American wife and a close personal friend who's never been outside America. No visas required for each visitor.

My son is coming over in August from Shanghai, bringing his friend who's never been outside China. His friend needs to have a minimum of £6000 to be allowed to enter the UK, of which will be put in a holding pot until he departs.

Its to deter economic migrants from countries where the average pay is pittance.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Its to deter economic migrants from countries where the average pay is pittance.

Do you agree with it ?

[Slavers]

Do you agree with it ?

That would depend how successful it was. I don't know enough information about it to make judgement if it's a good deterrent or not.

[stoneyburn hibs]

That would depend how successful it was. I don't know enough information about it to make judgement if it's a good deterrent or not.

Fair enough, I understand that it can't be case by case but the two separate visitors experiences are going to be the same with one much more harshly treated. We've got to go through ETSA confirmation and the American border control, Americans can come here visa free for 6 months business or leisure . I'm perturbed.

[RyeSloan]

Here's a bizarre one, or at least I thought it was. Quite ridiculous really.

My father is coming over from the States next week to bury his last remaining sibling. He's bringing his American wife and a close personal friend who's never been outside America. No visas required for each visitor.

My son is coming over in August from Shanghai, bringing his friend who's never been outside China. His friend needs to have a minimum of £6000 to be allowed to enter the UK, of which will be put in a holding pot until he departs.

Really? Wow.

That can’t be totally ‘normal’ though surely?

All the Chinese tourists I see in Edinburgh can’t have been asked to front £6k holding deposit for a visitor visa can they?


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[Ozyhibby]

Really? Wow.

That can’t be totally ‘normal’ though surely?

All the Chinese tourists I see in Edinburgh can’t have been asked to front £6k holding deposit for a visitor visa can they?


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It is surely no surprise that visa requirements are different for every country?


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[RyeSloan]

It is surely no surprise that visa requirements are different for every country?


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Obviously not.

As I said though I am surprised if every Chinese visitor to the UK is being asked for a £6k bond.

[Smartie]

Obviously not.

As I said though I am surprised if every Chinese visitor to the UK is being asked for a £6k bond.

Is it that unusual?

China is a crazy country. Some have huge wealth, the vast majority have a very different lifestyle and desolate poverty is widespread.

It is also easy to underestimate the size of the population there.

The ones who can afford to visit Scotland are relatively few and are of the highest wealth bracket. THey'd be a comfortably able to put down a £6k deposit on a holiday, whilst a good few families could probably live off that for a few years.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Really? Wow.

That can’t be totally ‘normal’ though surely?

All the Chinese tourists I see in Edinburgh can’t have been asked to front £6k holding deposit for a visitor visa can they?


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I couldn't believe it when my son told me. They've checked and double checked, that's the deal.

[Colr]

Can't be sure of course. Tbh I'm not fan or trump I think he is a Satanist and most probably a dirty creep.

But the Clintons have been known to have been on it.

Its just the hypocritical bashing of trump that sticks in the craw. The Clintons are vile **** but you won't hear a word against them from HibbyRadge he keeps it all for trump.

Why call out one but not the other?

Trump’s reputed to be a hood.

[Fife-Hibee]

We are used to it already...the US is Scotland’s biggest international export market.


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It's not the exports that bother me. It's what we're going to start importing from them and the health regulations that will be torn up in order to accommodate these imports.

[Mantis Toboggan]

Well at least he is not flying on the lolita express like the Clintons.

Worst whataboutery I have ever seen. What the actual ****. How are you still posting on here.

[Hibrandenburg]

Tbh I'm not fan or trump I think he is a Satanist.

Which is his God/Satan given right in the secular society he represents.

I can't believe I find myself defending Trump and against accusations that are nuttier than he is. :confused:

[RyeSloan]

It's not the exports that bother me. It's what we're going to start importing from them and the health regulations that will be torn up in order to accommodate these imports.

You spend a lot of time bothering about stuff that hasn’t happened, won’t happen or even if it does happen will not be in the way you envisage.

You said on another thread that you only deal in facts (while going on to list nothing of the sort but that’s another story) so I’m interested in the facts on what we are going to start importing from the US and what health regulations have been torn up.

To be clear I’m interested in verifiable facts not your conjecture or your rather imaginative beliefs of the horrors that await.

[Tobias Funke]

Well at least he is not flying on the lolita express like the Clintons.

QAnon conspiracy theory. Further proof you are off your chomp mate. :aok:

[Fife-Hibee]

You spend a lot of time bothering about stuff that hasn’t happened, won’t happen or even if it does happen will not be in the way you envisage.

You said on another thread that you only deal in facts (while going on to list nothing of the sort but that’s another story) so I’m interested in the facts on what we are going to start importing from the US and what health regulations have been torn up.

To be clear I’m interested in verifiable facts not your conjecture or your rather imaginative beliefs of the horrors that await.

Where do you see us getting our vast bulk of imports after no-deal Brexit? Once we're out the EFSA is no longer going to apply. Instead the UK Government will draw up it's own FDA. One where they put profits before human health, much like the US equivalent.

I don't need to prove it. Because the proof will unfold by itself.

[Pete]

Let’s be honest it doesn’t matter who is in charge, we never have to much longer than a decade for the good old “let’s meddle in other countries affairs/ let’s effect regime change on ideological grounds” carry on from the champions of corporate freedom.

I expect it from them but it’s worse when people who are supposed to be speaking on my behalf, such as the UK government or the neoliberal states of Europe back are backing them up like obedient lap dogs. Makes me sick to my stomach.

[Fife-Hibee]

Let’s be honest it doesn’t matter who is in charge, we never have to much longer than a decade for the good old “let’s meddle in other countries affairs/ let’s effect regime change on ideological grounds” carry on from the champions of corporate freedom.

I expect it from them but it’s worse when people who are supposed to be speaking on my behalf, such as the UK government or the neoliberal states of Europe back are backing them up like obedient lap dogs. Makes me sick to my stomach.

It's almost as if there is a hidden tier of government that governs over all other governments. But that's just crazy conspiracy pish, right? :greengrin

[RyeSloan]

Where do you see us getting our vast bulk of imports after no-deal Brexit? Once we're out the EFSA is no longer going to apply. Instead the UK Government will draw up it's own FDA. One where they put profits before human health, much like the US equivalent.

I don't need to prove it. Because the proof will unfold by itself.

Riiight so no facts then. Thought so.

And you don’t need to prove anything you say as the proof will unfold itself...aha that’s a good one, really it is!

You remind me of the doomsayers who predict the world will end on a certain date...no need to justify any of it as the world will end anyway so that will be proof enough.

[grunt]

Riiight so no facts then. Thought so.Gee whiz, this is hard work.

A fact is defined as "a thing that is known or proved to be true."


So you can't by definition state facts about future events. But you can determine likely outcomes based on known things. It was likely that Hibs would beat Elgin last week because we've got measurably better, stronger fitter players, professionals who have better training facilities and who don't also have other jobs to hold down. Hibs losing was a possibility, but you'd have to say that us winning was the most likely outcome.

So it is with post-Brexit trading. We know we won't have trade deals via the EU, and given the Tories' fascination with Trump, naked capitalism and the whole "free trade" ideal, it is likely that we will turn our attention towards the West and the US. Key Tory leaders have already indicated this, and some of them have been to the US to develop links. The US has demonstrably lower food hygiene standards than the EU, so in order to trade foodstuffs with them we'll need to lower our standards. So it is with the Tories attitude towards the NHS, which they want to de-fund and turn towards the US health insurance model.

So you're right, no facts to back up this viewpoint. But it seems the most likely outcome.

[lapsedhibee]

Gee whiz, this is hard work.

A fact is defined as "a thing that is known or proved to be true."

So you can't by definition state facts about future events.

Whitaboot "At 6pm tonight if I divide 4 by 2 the correct answer will be 2"? Is that no a fact likes? :dunno:

[Hibrandenburg]

Whitaboot "At 6pm tonight if I divide 4 by 2 the correct answer will be 2"? Is that no a fact likes? :dunno:

No if you drop deid at 5:57pm :wink:

[jonty]

Whitaboot "At 6pm tonight if I divide 4 by 2 the correct answer will be 2"? Is that no a fact likes? :dunno:

Never say never.
if they can change the definition of a kilogram then squares and square roots might be next.

https://www.sciencealert.com/after-130-years-the-definition-of-the-kilogram-is-finally-going-to-change

I'd say there's an extremely highly probability that 4 divide by 2 will be 2 (especially as Im cutting pizza tonight) but i'll cope if those pesky scientists go and change things

And assuming there is a 6PM tonight and those idiots with nukes haven't blown us all up.

[hibsbollah]

Gee whiz, this is hard work.

A fact is defined as "a thing that is known or proved to be true."


So you can't by definition state facts about future events. But you can determine likely outcomes based on known things. It was likely that Hibs would beat Elgin last week because we've got measurably better, stronger fitter players, professionals who have better training facilities and who don't also have other jobs to hold down. Hibs losing was a possibility, but you'd have to say that us winning was the most likely outcome.

So it is with post-Brexit trading. We know we won't have trade deals via the EU, and given the Tories' fascination with Trump, naked capitalism and the whole "free trade" ideal, it is likely that we will turn our attention towards the West and the US. Key Tory leaders have already indicated this, and some of them have been to the US to develop links. The US has demonstrably lower food hygiene standards than the EU, so in order to trade foodstuffs with them we'll need to lower our standards. So it is with the Tories attitude towards the NHS, which they want to de-fund and turn towards the US health insurance model.

So you're right, no facts to back up this viewpoint. But it seems the most likely outcome.

Great post.

It's instructive that the OP was about Donald Trump, and this thread has now started talking about what constitutes a fact. Trump is the most anti fact, anti science world leader since Pol Pot. He denies the reality of man made climate change, repeatedly. He denies the reality that vaccines are safe, and do not, as he claims, cause autism. He denies the reality that Obama was born in the US, and has repeated the Infowars smear that the passport was somehow forged. He is the first American leader to just lie and lie and get away with it by a press corps that seems to have forgotten its purpose.

On the other hand, the FACT that investors are currently looking at trade deals with countries that have less stringent environmental and safety controls than the EU, which are likely to be a)less expensive and b) result in poorer quality goods and services for all of us is indisputable. It only becomes a FACT when the deals are signed but it doesn't make them less inevitable.

[James310]

I am sure I was told it was a fact peddled by Unionists that if I voted No in the first IndyRef it was a fact I would be voting to remain in the EU and I was therefore lied to and mislead by the No campaign.

As we have established nobody was telling any lies at the time as the future was not known.

[jonty]

I am sure I was told it was a fact peddled by Unionists that if I voted No in the first IndyRef it was a fact I would be voting to remain in the EU and I was therefore lied to and mislead by the No campaign.

As we have established nobody was telling any lies at the time as the future was not known.

:greengrin

Promises broken.

[PeeJay]

Gee whiz, this is hard work.

A fact is defined as "a thing that is known or proved to be true."


So you can't by definition state facts about future events.


Yet it is a fact of life that anyone currently alive is going to die one day in the future ... including Mr T :greengrin

[Slavers]

I am sure I was told it was a fact peddled by Unionists that if I voted No in the first IndyRef it was a fact I would be voting to remain in the EU and I was therefore lied to and mislead by the No campaign.

As we have established nobody was telling any lies at the time as the future was not known.

Sorry but that's nonsense!

If we voted YEs then we would have left the EU. We voted no and remained part of the EU.

However there was a democratic vote that then took us out the EU.

[Lendo]

I am sure I was told it was a fact peddled by Unionists that if I voted No in the first IndyRef it was a fact I would be voting to remain in the EU and I was therefore lied to and mislead by the No campaign.

As we have established nobody was telling any lies at the time as the future was not known.

A lie peddled by Unionist was that if we voted No Glasgow shipyards would be getting the contract to build 13 Type 42 Destroyers.

We voted No

The number was then immediately cut to three Type 42 Destroyers.

This was just a bold faced lie.

[Hibbyradge]

Riiight so no facts then. Thought so.

And you don’t need to prove anything you say as the proof will unfold itself...aha that’s a good one, really it is!

You remind me of the doomsayers who predict the world will end on a certain date...no need to justify any of it as the world will end anyway so that will be proof enough.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47036119

[Fife-Hibee]

Riiight so no facts then. Thought so.

And you don’t need to prove anything you say as the proof will unfold itself...aha that’s a good one, really it is!

You remind me of the doomsayers who predict the world will end on a certain date...no need to justify any of it as the world will end anyway so that will be proof enough.

It's just the start, but you'll denounce it as "scare mongering". As that's the go to response when it comes to facing up that Brexit is going to be no utopia.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47036119

[Fife-Hibee]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47036119

Damn, I guess this makes it 1-1. :greengrin

[RyeSloan]

It's just the start, but you'll denounce it as "scare mongering". As that's the go to response when it comes to facing up that Brexit is going to be no utopia.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47036119

What? US lobbyists lobbying, who would have thunk it!

Yet if you read what the article says you get this wee nugget:

“We have noted with concern statements by certain UK officials indicating a desire to exclude the agricultural sector from the negotiation and an intention of maintaining regulatory harmonisation with the European Union”

[Fife-Hibee]

What? US lobbyists lobbying, who would have thunk it!

Yet if you read what the article says you get this wee nugget:

“We have noted with concern statements by certain UK officials indicating a desire to exclude the agricultural sector from the negotiation and an intention of maintaining regulatory harmonisation with the European Union”

A statement that means absolutely nothing in a no-deal scenario which will result in the US becoming our largest import market for goods. Maintaining the current EU food standards wouldn't allow for that, which would result in food shortages. So they would have no choice but to rip up the current standards in place of the US model.

[RyeSloan]

A statement that means absolutely nothing in a no-deal scenario which will result in the US becoming our largest import market for goods. Maintaining the current EU food standards wouldn't allow for that, which would result in food shortages. So they would have no choice but to rip up the current standards in place of the US model.

Aww come on. To suggest that a no deal Brexit automatically means food shortages that could only be relieved by a shotgun wedding with US agri is nonsense.

You have suggested the UK was desperate to rip up current standards yet the very people that have been engaged in direct talks with UK officials have stated the opposite.

[Fife-Hibee]

Aww come on. To suggest that a no deal Brexit automatically means food shortages that could only be relieved by a shotgun wedding with US agri is nonsense.

You have suggested the UK was desperate to rip up current standards yet the very people that have been engaged in direct talks with UK officials have stated the opposite.

A UK/US cozy up was the plan the whole time. UK officials stating one thing in the media and backing something quite different in the background is hardly an uncommon practice.

It's not a plan they want the general public to be aware of. But something they'll ease the general public into over the coming years without barely saying a word on it.

[RyeSloan]

A UK/US cozy up was the plan the whole time. UK officials stating one thing in the media and backing something quite different in the background is hardly an uncommon practice.

It's not a plan they want the general public to be aware of. But something they'll ease the general public into over the coming years without barely saying a word on it.

You have went from there being food shortages and immediate need for US food to a silent plan that the public won’t even be aware of.

Let’s just leave this one here.

[hibsbollah]

You have went from there being food shortages and immediate need for US food to a silent plan that the public won’t even be aware of.

Let’s just leave this one here.

1. The US food sector is trying to get a foothold in the UK market post Brexit.
2. The US food sector has lower standards than the EU.
3. In the event of no deal, there WILL be food shortages.

All these are demonstrable facts. Which lead to a logical conclusion. I'm not sure why you are taking such a mocking tone with Fife, if anyone deserves a 'cmon now' or 'thats nonsense' directed at them, it's you.

[Just Alf]

1. The US food sector is trying to get a foothold in the UK market post Brexit.
2. The US food sector has lower standards than the EU.
3. In the event of no deal, there WILL be food shortages.

All these are demonstrable facts. Which lead to a logical conclusion. I'm not sure why you are taking such a mocking tone with Fife, if anyone deserves a 'cmon now' or 'thats nonsense' directed at them, it's you.4. Trump announcing that if we tie ourselves to an EU trade agreement we'd not have one with the US.

5. US vetoing of UK trying to move over to WTO rules on same basis as the EU are currently engaged in them.

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[ballengeich]

There economy is now crashing, which is the only thing holding them back. Be careful of Iran. Perhaps Intelligence should go back to school!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 30, 2019

(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1090609577006112769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)Back on the thread title here's an extract from a tweet today by the President. Who should be going back to school?

[Jack Hackett]

There economy is now crashing, which is the only thing holding them back. Be careful of Iran. Perhaps Intelligence should go back to school!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 30, 2019

(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1090609577006112769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)Back on the thread title here's an extract from a tweet today by the President. Who should be going back to school?

Move along. Nothing to sea hear. Man's a jeanyus and an inspriat... inspura... credit to his nation

[wpj]

I have just watched the "state of the union" speech. Looked like pantomime season, Democrat women dressed in white all applauding Trump. Fair enough if they feel it but like I say, it looked really weird, the whole thing did tbh, not really paid attention before but am intrigued as to the protocol for this event.

[Moulin Yarns]

Whitaboot "At 6pm tonight if I divide 4 by 2 the correct answer will be 2"? Is that no a fact likes? :dunno:

That is a known fact. You would be repeating something that has been proven to be correct.

[Moulin Yarns]

Sorry but that's nonsense!

If we voted YEs then we would have left the EU. We voted no and remained part of the EU.

However there was a democratic vote that then took us out the EU.

Does everyone remember that lager advert featuring cartoon vikings? How did it go again?

Let me think, Troll, troll, troll, troll

[Hibbyradge]

Check out @mattzarb’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/mattzarb/status/1093610201540894720?s=09

[Mibbes Aye]

The link below is to an article in the Guardian.

it suggests that the Mueller investigation into collusion with the Russians etc might be the least of Trump’s worries.

The Southern District New York attorney’s office is investigating whether laws were broken when fundraising took place for his inauguration. The potential charge sheet is really serious, subpoenas appear to have been issued.

The SDNY district attorneys, as the article describes, are pretty much some of the most talented prosecutors in the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/09/new-york-southern-district-donald-trump-inauguration-prosecutors

[calumb]

Sorry but that's nonsense!

If we voted YEs then we would have left the EU. We voted no and remained part of the EU.

However there was a democratic vote that then took us out the EU.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_the_European_Union

Greenland had to trigger article 50 to leave the Eu after it won independence from Denmark, so why would an independent Scotland have been any different? All the citizens would stil have been citizens of the Eu living with Eu laws

[Jack Hackett]

Check out @mattzarb’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/mattzarb/status/1093610201540894720?s=09

:top marks

An eloquent takedown of the entire political setup in the US. The world is being ****ed over by corporate manipulation

[Jack Hackett]

The link below is to an article in the Guardian.

it suggests that the Mueller investigation into collusion with the Russians etc might be the least of Trump’s worries.

The Southern District New York attorney’s office is investigating whether laws were broken when fundraising took place for his inauguration. The potential charge sheet is really serious, subpoenas appear to have been issued.

The SDNY district attorneys, as the article describes, are pretty much some of the most talented prosecutors in the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/09/new-york-southern-district-donald-trump-inauguration-prosecutors

21685

[hibsbollah]

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/05/keystone-xl-pipeline-pine-ridge-floods/?fbclid=IwAR2IUoQtrDzLlXjbC7mVsZCtdhWYr6VYN06K1tMx WG6UxOOEamgSDkYSCnI

Totally unreported by the mainstream media, Trump's war against a forgotten victim continues.

[matty_f]

Trump said his father was born in Germany this week (he said it this week, he wasn't claiming his father was born this week), his dad was born in New York.

I think he's a compulsive liar. I think he does it without thinking about it. Just lies, lies, lies.

[Hibbyradge]

Yesterday the president of the United States said that asylum seekers were not people.

He said they were animals.

2019.

[Hibrandenburg]

Yesterday the president of the United States said that asylum seekers were not people.

He said they were animals.

2019.

I don't believe I'm about to defend Trump but if you're referring to the Twitter ****storm, then it's an old clip now being taken out of context. He was referring to MS-13 members. Fake news I'm afraid.

[Hibbyradge]

I don't believe I'm about to defend Trump but if you're referring to the Twitter ****storm, then it's an old clip now being taken out of context. He was referring to MS-13 members. Fake news I'm afraid.

Ah, right.

I saw it yesterday and was horrified. I was mugged.

Thank God for small mercies.

[Hibrandenburg]

This popped up on social media feed today. Nicely put together by Adam Troy Castro.



Why do liberals think all Trump supporters are all STUPID?

An anguished question from a Trump supporter: "Why do liberals think Trump supporters are stupid?"

The serious answer: Here’s what we really think about Trump supporters - the rich, the poor, the malignant and the innocently well-meaning, the ones who think and the ones who don't...

That when you saw a man who had owned a fraudulent University, intent on scamming poor people, you thought "Fine."

That when you saw a man who had made it his business practice to stiff his creditors, you said, "Okay."

That when you heard him proudly brag about his own history of sexual abuse, you said, "No problem."

That when he made up stories about seeing muslim-Americans in the thousands cheering the destruction of the World Trade Center, you said, "Not an issue."

That when you saw him brag that he could shoot a man on Fifth Avenue and you wouldn't care, you chirped, "He sure knows me."

That when you heard him illustrate his own character by telling that cute story about the elderly guest bleeding on the floor at his country club, the story about how he turned his back and how it was all an imposition on him, you said, "That's cool!"

That when you saw him mock the disabled, you thought it was the funniest thing you ever saw.

That when you heard him brag that he doesn't read books, you said, "Well, who has time?"

That when the Central Park Five were compensated as innocent men convicted of a crime they didn't commit, and he angrily said that they should still be in prison, you said, "That makes sense."

That when you heard him tell his supporters to beat up protesters and that he would hire attorneys, you thought, "Yes!"

That when you heard him tell one rally to confiscate a man's coat before throwing him out into the freezing cold, you said, "What a great guy!"

That you have watched the parade of neo-Nazis and white supremacists with whom he curries favor, while refusing to condemn outright Nazis, and you have said, "Thumbs up!"

That you hear him unable to talk to foreign dignitaries without insulting their countries and demanding that they praise his electoral win, you said, "That's the way I want my President to be."

That you have watched him remove expertise from all layers of government in favor of people who make money off of eliminating protections in the industries they're supposed to be regulating and you have said, "What a genius!"

That you have heard him continue to profit from his businesses, in part by leveraging his position as President, to the point of overcharging the Secret Service for space in the properties he owns, and you have said, "That's smart!"

That you have heard him say that it was difficult to help Puerto Rico because it was the middle of water and you have said, "That makes sense."

That you have seen him start fights with every country from Canada to New Zealand while praising Russia and quote, "falling in love" with the dictator of North Korea, and you have said, "That's statesmanship!"

That Trump separated children from their families and put them in cages, managed to lose track of 1500 kids. has opened a tent city incarceration camp in the desert in Texas - he explains that they’re just “animals” - and you say, “well, ok then.”

That you have witnessed all the thousand and one other manifestations of corruption and low moral character and outright animalistic rudeness and contempt for you, the working American voter, and you still show up grinning and wearing your MAGA hats and threatening to beat up anybody who says otherwise.

What you don't get, Trump supporters in 2019, is that succumbing to frustration and thinking of you as stupid may be wrong and unhelpful, but it's also...hear me...charitable.

Because if you're NOT stupid, we must turn to other explanations, and most of them are less flattering.

Adam Troy Castro

[Just Alf]

The man is actually a genius....

Take Iran... He's claimed they weren't complying with the nuclear treaty and cancelled US involvement, this is despite the international nuclear inspectors saying they were, the rest of the western world saying they were and even the CIA saying they were.

Move forward a year or so and he's now turned the screws big time on any country doing business with Iran, trade with them and you don't trade with the US or any country that trades with the US (assuming that other country still wants to trade with the US).

As a result a specialist oil supplied by Iran to South Korea, amongst others and only available from two locations on the planet is now solely supplied by the US.

Hmmm....



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[Just Alf]

As an aside its an extremely light oil... Imagine the difference from a heavy 'sludge' crude oil and, say wd40, the oil in question is lighter by the same difference but using wd40 as the starting point.

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[PeeJay]

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/05/keystone-xl-pipeline-pine-ridge-floods/?fbclid=IwAR2IUoQtrDzLlXjbC7mVsZCtdhWYr6VYN06K1tMx WG6UxOOEamgSDkYSCnI

Totally unreported by the mainstream media, Trump's war against a forgotten victim continues.

You sure? Washington Post, New York Times and USA Today all reporting about this issue - not mainstream enough for you? :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

https://www.vox.com/2019/5/10/18524172/donald-trump-commander-in-cheat-rick-reilly


They get to a hole with a big pond on it. Both Ted and his son hit the ball on the green, and Trump hits his in the water. By the time they get to the hole, Trump is lining up the kid’s ball. Only now it’s his ball and the caddie has switched it. The kid’s like, “Daddy, that’s my ball.”

But Trump’s caddie goes, “No, this is the president’s ball; your ball went in the water.” Ted and his son look at each other confused, not sure if this is really happening. And Trump’s caddie says, “This is the president’s ball. I don’t know what to tell you.”

Trump makes that putt, wins one up, and declares himself the club champion.

He cheats kids at golf. Surprisingly unsurprising.

[hibsbollah]

You sure? Washington Post, New York Times and USA Today all reporting about this issue - not mainstream enough for you? :greengrin



I posted that a month ago, if the NY Times take a month to report a story of such massive importance I think they've got problems.

[PeeJay]

I posted that a month ago, if the NY Times take a month to report a story of such massive importance I think they've got problems.

It's me that playing "catch-up" I guess - The reports in the newspapers I mention go further back than your post - this is an issue that has been given some serious space in major newspapers Stateside ... I'm not saying they get everything right, but to suggest that they are not reportingg at all seems wide of the mark to me ...

[hibsbollah]

It's me that playing "catch-up" I guess - The reports in the newspapers I mention go further back than your post - this is an issue that has been given some serious space in major newspapers Stateside ... I'm not saying they get everything right, but to suggest that they are not reportingg at all seems wide of the mark to me ...

Ive always been interested in the native american story, and i follow a few of their rep groups on social media. There's no question the native minority in the US and Canada feel like there's a deliberate policy of land despoliation and toleration of racist murder and violence which is ignored by the US media.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1mhrxHri00zAhtpfiNszXO?si=0ck6UAvlTiu2Mq3I_onsmg

[Pretty Boy]

He surely can't be serious with this Tweet:

For all of the money we are spending, NASA should NOT be talking about going to the Moon - We did that 50 years ago. They should be focused on the much bigger things we are doing, including Mars (of which the Moon is a part), Defense and Science!

I'm calling it, he's slipped up and just exposed the fact his whole presidency is, a massive orchestrated troll.

[JeMeSouviens]

He surely can't be serious with this Tweet:

For all of the money we are spending, NASA should NOT be talking about going to the Moon - We did that 50 years ago. They should be focused on the much bigger things we are doing, including Mars (of which the Moon is a part), Defense and Science!

I'm calling it, he's slipped up and just exposed the fact his whole presidency is, a massive orchestrated troll.

I think they have a plan to go to the moon again as part of a larger plan to get to mars. So I think he means going to the moon is a part of going to mars. However, as usual with Trumpy, who tf knows?

[Dalianwanda]

Still cant get my head around his views on the Irish border...Varadkers face is of utter WTF!!!

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/339011916782527/?eid=ARAzj1pD-k9VhHMfCjbLG133UllrYCNXPKkm_vgJUh8o8_AfgPUjb3hBacw PQYzhUPkN3J3eABkP2Q5W

[Jack Hackett]

Still cant get my head around his views on the Irish border...Varadkers face is of utter WTF!!!

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/339011916782527/?eid=ARAzj1pD-k9VhHMfCjbLG133UllrYCNXPKkm_vgJUh8o8_AfgPUjb3hBacw PQYzhUPkN3J3eABkP2Q5W

That takes waffle to a whole new level

[heretoday]

Still cant get my head around his views on the Irish border...Varadkers face is of utter WTF!!!

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/339011916782527/?eid=ARAzj1pD-k9VhHMfCjbLG133UllrYCNXPKkm_vgJUh8o8_AfgPUjb3hBacw PQYzhUPkN3J3eABkP2Q5W

It could be our first post-Brexit deal with USA. Build a wall.

[lapsedhibee]

It could be our first post-Brexit deal with USA. Build a wall.

Yes, but will the wall be between NornIron and Ireland, or between the island of Ireland and Great Britain? :dunno:

[Dalianwanda]

It could be our first post-Brexit deal with USA. Build a wall.

Well it is a british created border not an irish one so their gonna have to come up with something. 😎

[Newry Hibs]

Well it is a british created border not an irish one so their gonna have to come up with something. 😎

If only those pesky Irish didn't agitate to leave 100 years ago - this wouldn't be an issue now.

...... stands well back .....

[Dalianwanda]

If only those pesky Irish didn't agitate to leave 100 years ago - this wouldn't be an issue now.

...... stands well back .....

:greengrin

[Fife-Hibee]

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2019_06/43405ef2-95fd-43b3-8fd1-4e0b97cf9bc7.thumb.jpg.3d3d07ddc11c2f5b602a9cf2809 90a5e.jpg

At least he gets the "queen of England" bit right. :rolleyes:

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2019_06/43405ef2-95fd-43b3-8fd1-4e0b97cf9bc7.thumb.jpg.3d3d07ddc11c2f5b602a9cf2809 90a5e.jpg

At least he gets the "queen of England" bit right. :rolleyes:

I don’t think she is the Queen of England?


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[lapsedhibee]

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2019_06/43405ef2-95fd-43b3-8fd1-4e0b97cf9bc7.thumb.jpg.3d3d07ddc11c2f5b602a9cf2809 90a5e.jpg

Yes, please, immediately. If not sooner. That'd be great.

[jonty]

another one bites the dust (although I'd almost forgotten she was still there)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48628233

[Hibs Class]

another one bites the dust (although I'd almost forgotten she was still there)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48628233

As someone said on Twitter, I won't believe she's leaving the White House until she denies it herself.

[GreenLake]

I think they have a plan to go to the moon again as part of a larger plan to get to mars. So I think he means going to the moon is a part of going to mars. However, as usual with Trumpy, who tf knows?


He might have meant the moon is a part of mars from being advised about the giant impact theory where earth and mars collided at some point long ago and the moon formed from the debris. Maybe he believes it.

[Fife-Hibee]

He might have meant the moon is a part of mars from being advised about the giant impact theory where earth and mars collided at some point long ago and the moon formed from the debris. Maybe he believes it.

In that case. He’d have been as well saying that going to the moon is a part of staying on the earth seeing as the theory suggests that each rocky world that orbits the sun came from a super earth.

It’s quite a stretch though, wouldn’t you say?

[lapsedhibee]

He might have meant the moon is a part of mars from being advised about the giant impact theory where earth and mars collided at some point long ago and the moon formed from the debris. Maybe he believes it.

Something fishy about that theory. Mars is smaller than Earth, so how could Mars bumping into Earth have made it completely flat?

[GreenLake]

In that case. He’d have been as well saying that going to the moon is a part of staying on the earth seeing as the theory suggests that each rocky world that orbits the sun came from a super earth.

It’s quite a stretch though, wouldn’t you say?

I don't know whether those theories are true or not but I think a lot of what Trump tweets is from his advice and not his understanding. I'm not saying he isn't intelligent but I don't think he is as broadly intelligent as he likes us to believe. He has dozens of people whispering knowledge into his ears.

[GreenLake]

Something fishy about that theory. Mars is smaller than Earth, so how could Mars bumping into Earth have made it completely flat?

:greengrin

[jonty]

I don't know whether those theories are true or not but I think a lot of what Trump tweets is from his advice and not his understanding. I'm not saying he isn't intelligent but I don't think he is as broadly intelligent as he likes us to believe. He has dozens of people whispering knowledge into his ears.

I think that's just medication (or lack of)

[Smartie]

i don't know whether those theories are true or not but i think a lot of what trump tweets is from his advice and not his understanding. I'm not saying he isn't intelligent but i don't think he is as broadly intelligent as he likes us to believe. He has dozens of people whispering utter pish through his ears into the cavity inside his heid.

ftfy

[GreenLake]

ftfy

true

[Moulin Yarns]

Knitters of the world unite 👍

https://www.ravelry.com/


In case that you need to join to read it here is the story on the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/blogs-trending-48744113?__twitter_impression=true

[Hiber-nation]

Sir Kim Darroch resigns :rolleyes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48937120

[southsider]

Sir Kim Darroch resigns :rolleyes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48937120
Looks like Trump kept pilling on the pressure until the FO gave way. This has Boris's sticky fingers all over it.

[Ozyhibby]

Brexit Britain to become just another state of The USA.


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[theonlywayisup]

President Donald Trump will no longer pursue adding a question on citizenship to the 2020 US census questionnaire. Instead, he'll obtain information on citizenship through other means.

"As a result of today's executive order we will be able to ensure the 2020 census generates an accurate count of how many citizens, non-citizens and illegal aliens are in the United States of America,"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48959538

[Fife-Hibee]

I reported this tweet for racism. Just awaiting twitters normally hastey action in dealing with such matters.

https://i.ibb.co/cTLDxBv/racism.png

[Fife-Hibee]

This monsters rhetoric just gets increasingly more terrifying over time. :bitchy:

https://i.ibb.co/RB204hS/terrifying.png

You're not allowed to criticize America under Donald Trump. Even although his whole campaign to become president was based on an endless stream of criticism and "making America great again".

Clearly been taking some advice from his dear friend in North Korea.

[Ozyhibby]

This monsters rhetoric just gets increasingly more terrifying over time. :bitchy:

https://i.ibb.co/RB204hS/terrifying.png

You're not allowed to criticize America under Donald Trump. Even although his whole campaign to become president was based on an endless stream of criticism and "making America great again".

Clearly been taking some advice from his dear friend in North Korea.

I honestly don’t think he goes without a fight even if he loses in 2020.


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[SHODAN]

I honestly don’t think he goes without a fight even if he loses in 2020.


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If he loses in 2020 the military will have to remove him.

[Bristolhibby]

Obviously I want him to lose next year, but seeing his face will be a massive fringe benefit to ending the whole sorry 4 years.

J

[Pretty Boy]

His rhetoric is becoming increasingly concerning, even by the standards expected from him. A lot of reference to US 'power' and 'might' and he's mentioned military strength a lot lately.

I suppose a war and increasingly nationalistic language will sit well with many in his core support and with an election on the horizon it makes sense to pander to them.

[RyeSloan]

His rhetoric is becoming increasingly concerning, even by the standards expected from him. A lot of reference to US 'power' and 'might' and he's mentioned military strength a lot lately.

I suppose a war and increasingly nationalistic language will sit well with many in his core support and with an election on the horizon it makes sense to pander to them.

I was wondering if that was his plan as well then realised he simply doesn’t have a plan.

He just seems to swat at whatever is put in front of him from one day to the next.

The only concern would be the ability of the Democrats to pick a sensible choice to run against him. If they manage that then surely there is enough semi sane Americans to make sure Trump never darkens our world again....

[MyJo]

Trump's grandparents were from Germany.
His mum was from Scotland
Two of his three wives have been Eastern European
Four out of five of his children have a non-American, immigrant parent.

The people he is telling to go back to their own countries are equally as, if not more, American than him and pretty much his entire family. The only difference is the colour of their skin.

He is a despicable human being.

[Future17]

I reported this tweet for racism. Just awaiting twitters normally hastey action in dealing with such matters.

https://i.ibb.co/cTLDxBv/racism.png

I think Trump has posted racist tweets, but I don't think this is one.

What makes you think this is racist?