(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[Ozyhibby]

No. But somebody needs to be brave enough to stop him doing it.
And the Supreme Court need to not choose to play semantics games with it.

So far the courts have been stopping him at every turn. He’s doing damage but he’s not managed to change a single law. To really ramp things up he needs to pass laws or the courts will continue to block him.


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[s.a.m]

So far the courts have been stopping him at every turn. He’s doing damage but he’s not managed to change a single law. To really ramp things up he needs to pass laws or the courts will continue to block him.


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You're right, of course. I'm friendly with a woman who's one of Harris's sorority gals, and campaigned, phoned and knocked doors for her. She says the same thing.

Yet people are still being hauled off the streets, out of restaurant kitchens and ICE are demanding access to schools, all without paperwork or evidence.

The Supreme Court weren't expected to take the Presidential
Immunity case - and as we know they took it, and a majority not just agreed, but took a pretty extreme decision on it. The challenge to birthright citizenship was considered laughable and certain not to be taken up, but today that's what they were debating. Like Roe v Wade, these were all considered to be settled law.

And the ruling party in Congress just seem to have opted out. I don't know what the **** they think they're being paid for, but they're not doing it.

People are losing their jobs because of deemed insufficient loyalty to the regime and its intentions, or having questioned the legality of planned actions.

I actually think that it'll sort itself out, somehow. A worry is how big a thing it might take for enough people to agree that this is dangerous and unacceptable and do something about it. And the absolute stupidity of it all just makes you want to bang your head off sore things.

[Ozyhibby]

You're right, of course. I'm friendly with a woman who's one of Harris's sorority gals, and campaigned, phoned and knocked doors for her. She says the same thing.

Yet people are still being hauled off the streets, out of restaurant kitchens and ICE are demanding access to schools, all without paperwork or evidence.

The Supreme Court weren't expected to take the Presidential
Immunity case - and as we know they took it, and a majority not just agreed, but took a pretty extreme decision on it. The challenge to birthright citizenship was considered laughable and certain not to be taken up, but today that's what they were debating. Like Roe v Wade, these were all considered to be settled law.

And the ruling party in Congress just seem to have opted out. I don't know what the **** they think they're being paid for, but they're not doing it.

People are losing their jobs because of deemed insufficient loyalty to the regime and its intentions, or having questioned the legality of planned actions.

I actually think that it'll sort itself out, somehow. A worry is how big a thing it might take for enough people to agree that this is dangerous and unacceptable and do something about it. And the absolute stupidity of it all just makes you want to bang your head off sore things.

I agree, the damage is considerable. I think as more and more election results go the way of the dems then we will start to see Republicans fear their own voters more than a primary challenge funded by Musk. Republicans lost a Mayor the other night who won by 30% of the vote last time. That’s a big swing and puts almost every republican seat in America up for grabs. Self preservation will surely wake some up. There is also the potential for default in the summer if they can’t get their ‘big beautiful bill’ passed. There is lots to play for yet.


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[Jim44]

You can’t unilaterally change the constitution.


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Who’s going to stop him? He can do what he wants.

[Ozyhibby]

Who’s going to stop him? He can do what he wants.

The courts have already stopped him sending more people to CECOT? The courts have already reinstated thousands of federal workers? So he can’t do what he wants. I’m not saying he isn’t doing damage but he is not reshaping the laws of the land either.


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[Jim44]

The courts have already stopped him sending more people to CECOT? The courts have already reinstated thousands of federal workers? So he can’t do what he wants. I’m not saying he isn’t doing damage but he is not reshaping the laws of the land either.


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Time wil tell.

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[Ozyhibby]

The response will include the word "failing" :greengrin

One of my favourite of Bruce's songs. :not worth

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[Billy Whizz]

The response will include the word "failing" :greengrin

One of my favourite of Bruce's songs. :not worth

What song is that

[CropleyWasGod]

What song is that

Land Of Hope and Dreams.

The last song that Clarence played on. And the song that Bruce sang to him on his deathbed.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Glad to see he didn't disapppoint :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Land Of Hope and Dreams.

The last song that Clarence played on. And the song that Bruce sang to him on his deathbed.

I’m off to see the Boss this Tuesday in Manchester. Apparently he opens with Land of hope and dreams. Can’t wait.[emoji106]
I’ll enjoy a good rant about Trump as well.


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[Billy Whizz]

Land Of Hope and Dreams.

The last song that Clarence played on. And the song that Bruce sang to him on his deathbed.

Ok ta, sorry I didn’t know one of his songs called “failing”😀

[CropleyWasGod]

Ok ta, sorry I didn’t know one of his songs called “failing”😀

:greengrin

[bringbackbenny]

I’m off to see the Boss this Tuesday in Manchester. Apparently he opens with Land of hope and dreams. Can’t wait.[emoji106]
I’ll enjoy a good rant about Trump as well.


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I was there on Wednesday, you won't be disappointed on any count 😀

[Ozyhibby]

Who’s going to stop him? He can do what he wants.

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He can’t change laws so he whines about the implementation.


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[Ozyhibby]

Credit reference agencies downgrade the US from AAA.


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[Scorrie]

I’m off to see the Boss this Tuesday in Manchester. Apparently he opens with Land of hope and dreams. Can’t wait.[emoji106]
I’ll enjoy a good rant about Trump as well.


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I’m seeing him in Manchester this evening. Hope he doesn’t hold back on what’s happening in America

[Stairway 2 7]

Credit reference agencies downgrade the US from AAA.


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That's big news, probably all Bidens fault though..

[Ozyhibby]

That's big news, probably all Bidens fault though..

There is a less than zero chance they default this summer unless Trump backs down. The budget he has put forward adds £5trillion to the debt and there are enough republican debt hawks to stop it. He needs democrat votes to get it through and that’s not happening.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Trump admits it was better under Biden.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

a grown man says..

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[grunt]

Wah!!

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[Bostonhibby]

a grown man says..

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:keg3c3lhpxiihjho4e7auzaq/bafkreid5zhv2oitcjxcmzkzgm3tjfhsljhxekuozwxwsiqmr2 sx4lcdcxm@jpegHe's right though, people keep telling him he's hip to the jive.

All the cool people are fans of a 300lb fat orange narcissist who posts like a giant baby.

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[Scorrie]

Wah!!

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Went to see Springsteen last night in Manchester. He don’t hold back on Trump, even ramped it up more on previous announcements

[Hibrandenburg]

Went to see Springsteen last night in Manchester. He don’t hold back on Trump, even ramped it up more on previous announcements

Really hope he's not going to accidently walk out a 4th floor window.

[Bostonhibby]

a grown man says..

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Meanwhile....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250518/5299abd889cc19e20b21b0dab3d75588.jpg

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sleepy Don needs a LOT of make-up work

[cabbageandribs1875]

well said mike pence :agree: i expect a scathing attack from old Don



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[BILLYHIBS]

What about the penguins ?

[Kato]

What about the penguins ?They're chillin'.

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[Keith_M]

well said mike pence :agree: i expect a scathing attack from old Don



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Any chance you could post the text, or a screenshot?

[Pretty Boy]

Don Jr asking on Twitter how did Dr Jill Biden miss that her husband had metastatic cancer. Dr Biden has a doctorate in education.

Aside from being a totally classless thing to ask she would be as likely to know how to diagnose prostate cancer as Dr Dre would.

[grunt]

40% of Republicans say the COVID-19 vaccine has probably or definitely killed more people than the COVID-19 virus.

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[grunt]

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lpmbmmjkjk2i

(Dem Senator) HASSAN: What is habeas corpus?

(US Secretary of Homeland Security) NOEM: Habeas corpus is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country

HASSAN: That's incorrect.

[Bostonhibby]

Thought this got to the character of the two men very well.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250520/89b590690e85a8fdcdb24b012120e1fa.jpg

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Trump trying to embarrass the visiting president of South Africa and his group in the oval

playing clips of SA politicians shouting "kill the boer"


a reporter then asked him about the jet he received then yelled at him that he was such a bad reporter

tbf i've saw quite a few clips over the last year or so involving SA politicians shouting kill the boer, but there's a time and a place to bring this up with the SA president not live on TV

[cabbageandribs1875]

Any chance you could post the text, or a screenshot?


bit more here
Mike Pence says it's a 'bad idea' for Trump to accept a Qatari jet for use as Air Force One (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/mike-pence-says-bad-idea-trump-accept-qatari-jet-use-air-force-one-rcna206754)

[Bostonhibby]

Trump trying to embarrass the visiting president of South Africa and his group in the oval

playing clips of SA politicians shouting "kill the boer"


a reporter then asked him about the jet he received then yelled at him that he was such a bad reporter

tbf i've saw quite a few clips over the last year or so involving SA politicians shouting kill the boer, but there's a time and a place to bring this up with the SA president not live on TVTrump couldn't find South Africa if the map was tattooed on his substantial rear end.

Won't know anything about how the democracy that it now is (warts and all) got there, or how, in his lifetime it really wasn't one. Setting up leaders of the free world like this isn't going to help his country much in the long run.

If anything it shows that if it's not scripted for him, other than a few stock in trade soundbites he isn't capable of reasonably debating a subject based on knowledge and interpretation of information.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Trump couldn't find South Africa if the map was tattooed on his substantial rear end.

Won't know anything about how the democracy that it now is (warts and all) got there, or how, in his lifetime it really wasn't one. Setting up leaders of the free world like this isn't going to help his country much in the long run.

If anything it shows that if it's not scripted for him, other than a few stock in trade soundbites he isn't capable of reasonably debating a subject based on knowledge and interpretation of information.

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he then made a point "if anyone was going around shouting kill a certain group" he should be arrested


he must have forgot some of his followers shouting "kill mike pence" on Jan6

[Bostonhibby]

he then made a point "if anyone was going around shouting kill a certain group" he should be arrested


he must have forgot some of his followers shouting "kill mike pence" on Jan6Indeed, or how about inciting riots resulting in the deaths of public servants.....

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[Hibrandenburg]

Trump trying to embarrass the visiting president of South Africa and his group in the oval

playing clips of SA politicians shouting "kill the boer"


a reporter then asked him about the jet he received then yelled at him that he was such a bad reporter

tbf i've saw quite a few clips over the last year or so involving SA politicians shouting kill the boer, but there's a time and a place to bring this up with the SA president not live on TV

The whole ambush has so obviously been set up and practiced. Any foreign government leader will now think twice about visiting this madman. His claims of genocide are laughable in a world where his buddies are trying to exterminate Ukraine and the Palestinians.

The world really need to grow a pair and stand up against this radge.

[JimBHibees]

The whole ambush has so obviously been set up and practiced. Any foreign government leader will now think twice about visiting this madman. His claims of genocide are laughable in a world where his buddies are trying to exterminate Ukraine and the Palestinians.

The world really need to grow a pair and stand up against this radge.

And in a country with their record on gun deaths and lack of gun control. Wish the S.A. president had kicked off against the claims and you have South African born arch creep Musk watching on. Civilised World really is at a huge crossroads at the moment.

[grunt]

Doesn't really matter though, does it?

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[Billy Whizz]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr5xrygzk5o

Markets in free fall again.

In other news, Harvard are suing the Trump administration for blocking foreign students

[BILLYHIBS]

Impeach now

Time for all his mates to fill their boots again

Guy is a nightmare

[cabbageandribs1875]

Diddums Donnie

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[silverhibee]

Has rocket boys social media site been attacked, been down all day worldwide.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Has rocket boys social media site been attacked, been down all day worldwide.


yep tis down
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[JimBHibees]

40% of Republicans say the COVID-19 vaccine has probably or definitely killed more people than the COVID-19 virus.

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Simply wow and shows the level of intelligence and brainwashing at play

[Bostonhibby]

Simply wow and shows the level of intelligence and brainwashing at playKnow what to do with them next time there's a pandemic

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[grunt]

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[BILLYHIBS]

Trump does U turn on EU tariffs delayed until July

Think he now realises Putin is the real Dictator after condemning his latest attacks on Ukraine ?

[DaveF]

Trump does U turn on EU tariffs delayed until July

Think he now realises Putin is the real Dictator after condemning his latest attacks on Ukraine ?

He still can't help himself having a dig at Zelenskky at the same time.

A bit like Gaza, he will say something but do nothing.

[Bostonhibby]

He still can't help himself having a dig at Zelenskky at the same time.

A bit like Gaza, he will say something but do nothing.On any subject he has a fear of being the irrelevant sideshow he will huff and puff and get his face all over the story, but rarely do much when it requires character, leadership and statesmanlike actions.

Should stick to manipulation of the markets for his pals.

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[Hibs4185]

He still can't help himself having a dig at Zelenskky at the same time.

A bit like Gaza, he will say something but do nothing.

I was speechless reading his tweet. I actually thought the penny had dropped regarding Putin and lo and behold it’s still Zelensky’s fault.

FFS his county is being bombed, his people dying. What’s he supposed to say?

[Hibrandenburg]

I was speechless reading his tweet. I actually thought the penny had dropped regarding Putin and lo and behold it’s still Zelensky’s fault.

FFS his county is being bombed, his people dying. What’s he supposed to say?

It might take a while, he's as thick as **** and his supporters even thicker.

[s.a.m]

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US Court of International Trade just issued decision in case against Trump tariffs filed by Liberty Justice Center and me. All "Liberation Day"/IEEPA tariffs ruled illegal, and blocked by injunction! See link for opinion. I will have much more to say soon: www.cit.uscourts.gov/sites/cit/fi... (https://www.cit.uscourts.gov/sites/cit/files/25-66.pdf)
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US Court of International Trade just issued decision in case against Trump tariffs filed by Liberty Justice Center and me. All "Liberation Day"/IEEPA tariffs ruled illegal, and blocked by injunction! See link for opinion. I will have much more to say soon:
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[Ozyhibby]

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Lots of damage done but no laws changed. It’s much like last time, he can’t get anything through Congress. Just makes a lot of noise, flashes the signature book, does a lot of harm and then the courts block him. Three and a half more years of this.
Wonder if the UK will be the only ones with tariffs because we agreed a deal with him?


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[grunt]

Lots of damage done but no laws changed. It’s much like last time, he can’t get anything through Congress. Just makes a lot of noise, flashes the signature book, does a lot of harm and then the courts block him. Three and a half more years of this.
Wonder if the UK will be the only ones with tariffs because we agreed a deal with him?
Did we actually agree a deal? I thought it was just heads of an agreement - an agreement to think about a deal?

[Jones28]

So the Stock Market collapses after the introduction of Tariffs, the internet is full of people saying "now is the time to buy stocks", Trumps pals load their portfolios, fully aware that stocks will bounce back quickly when the courts announce the tariffs are in fact illegal and block them, the buyers of these stocks are rewarded as the share prices re-inflate and Trump takes a few kickbacks, probably to cover the interest on his Russian debt.

This is the biggest cash grab ever seen, insider trading doesn't cover it, this is insider manipulation.

All of the above is IMO. :greengrin

[Wembley67]

So the Stock Market collapses after the introduction of Tariffs, the internet is full of people saying "now is the time to buy stocks", Trumps pals load their portfolios, fully aware that stocks will bounce back quickly when the courts announce the tariffs are in fact illegal and block them, the buyers of these stocks are rewarded as the share prices re-inflate and Trump takes a few kickbacks, probably to cover the interest on his Russian debt.

This is the biggest cash grab ever seen, insider trading doesn't cover it, this is insider manipulation.

All of the above is IMO. :greengrin

Absolutely insider trading, it happens all over the world constantly though it just so happens this is very very much in the public eye. Will anything be done about it? Absolutely not, the rich just get richer.

As always if you have a bit of money it's generally pretty easy to make more money pretty quickly especially at times like this!

[H18S NX]

So the Stock Market collapses after the introduction of Tariffs, the internet is full of people saying "now is the time to buy stocks", Trumps pals load their portfolios, fully aware that stocks will bounce back quickly when the courts announce the tariffs are in fact illegal and block them, the buyers of these stocks are rewarded as the share prices re-inflate and Trump takes a few kickbacks, probably to cover the interest on his Russian debt.

This is the biggest cash grab ever seen, insider trading doesn't cover it, this is insider manipulation.

All of the above is IMO. :greengrin......:agree:

[BILLYHIBS]

Congress rule his tariffs are illegal markets soar

Happy days

The man is an idiot

[Paulie Walnuts]

Absolutely insider trading, it happens all over the world constantly though it just so happens this is very very much in the public eye. Will anything be done about it? Absolutely not, the rich just get richer.

As always if you have a bit of money it's generally pretty easy to make more money pretty quickly especially at times like this!

Which is funny when you look at the GameStop situation the other year which was heavily influenced by average joes rather than the mega rich. Trading on those shares was very quickly suspended.

[Bostonhibby]

So the Stock Market collapses after the introduction of Tariffs, the internet is full of people saying "now is the time to buy stocks", Trumps pals load their portfolios, fully aware that stocks will bounce back quickly when the courts announce the tariffs are in fact illegal and block them, the buyers of these stocks are rewarded as the share prices re-inflate and Trump takes a few kickbacks, probably to cover the interest on his Russian debt.

This is the biggest cash grab ever seen, insider trading doesn't cover it, this is insider manipulation.

All of the above is IMO. :greengrinHard to disagree with, the grift was the first priority he had amidst the smokescreen of noise on other fronts. That and the Trump crypto wheeze.

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[jamie_1875]

Both the US stock market and the UK stock market are down, so hardly soaring on the news. Well they were when I typed this....

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2dekzjg6gzt

Tariffs are back for now. What a shambles of a country.


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[grunt]

If anyone has the time or inclination for a long read about one woman's tireless campaign to discover who leads DOGE, it is set out here.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-witaod-chronicles

#WITAOD?

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/05/america-democracy-press-courts/682928/?link_source=ta_bluesky_link&taid=683ea0fb72c2bc0001907ce2&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_medium=social&utm_source=bluesky

Worth a read.


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[grunt]

Is the worm turning ...?

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[grunt]

Tammy Bruce, spokeswoman for the United States Department of State: "The thing that matters when it comes to American policy and what's happening, is what President Trump thinks and says."

https://bsky.app/profile/goldengateblond.bsky.social/post/3lqpzfnlyh22w

[Ozyhibby]

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About time UK sales started to fall.[emoji106]


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[matty_f]

https://x.com/bbcrosatkins/status/1930319506183991389?s=46&t=9ECFsSDsGgie80A2m3HH1A it's thoroughly depressing that blatant lies and misinformation are routinely broadcast from the White House without any repercussions.
What happened to truth?

[cabbageandribs1875]

oh, this is interesting

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[Kato]

https://x.com/bbcrosatkins/status/1930319506183991389?s=46&t=9ECFsSDsGgie80A2m3HH1A it's thoroughly depressing that blatant lies and misinformation are routinely broadcast from the White House without any repercussions.
What happened to truth?The BBC aren't exactly truthful about everything.

A fight between to rats in sack.

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[matty_f]

The BBC aren't exactly truthful about everything.

A fight between to rats in sack.

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Would trust the BBC, flawed though it may be, ahead of Trump's clowns.

[JimBHibees]

https://x.com/bbcrosatkins/status/1930319506183991389?s=46&t=9ECFsSDsGgie80A2m3HH1A it's thoroughly depressing that blatant lies and misinformation are routinely broadcast from the White House without any repercussions.
What happened to truth?

Fake news simple as. Yes mind blowing the level of lying. No doubt all governments lie at some stage however the scale of Trump land is generational next level

[Mcbizz1998]

Now the holy ground open to all again, can I suggest we update the title of this thread.

Something like ‘The 45th & 47th, Current, Reigning, Defending President of the United States - Donald J Trump’

Seems more accurate and up to date?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Now the holy ground open to all again, can I suggest we update the title of this thread.

Something like ‘The 45th & 47th, Current, Reigning, Defending President of the United States - Donald J Trump’

Seems more accurate and up to date?

‘The ****bag’ would be even more accurate.

[Mcbizz1998]

‘The ****bag’ would be even more accurate.

Now you’re just being silly.

[babahibs]

‘The ****bag’ would be even more accurate.

I think 'the pricks president' would be appropriate.

[grunt]

Possibly a bit long for a thread title ...

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[babahibs]

Possibly a bit long for a thread title ...

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Pretty much nails it

[Mcbizz1998]

I must say I’m disappointed the holy ground was closed off to me when the election happened. The tears in here must have been hilarious!

[Jones28]

I must say I’m disappointed the holy ground was closed off to me when the election happened. The tears in here must have been hilarious!

Making a great case for shutting it off again with needless antagonistic ***** like this.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Making a great case for shutting it off again with needless antagonistic ***** like this.

:agree:

It’s exactly the sort of thing that got it shut off in the first place.

[Mcbizz1998]

Making a great case for shutting it off again with needless antagonistic ***** like this.

But the post above by grunt isn’t antagonistic? Free speech is back on Hibs.net, not just for those who pay for privilege!

MAGA!

[Paulie Walnuts]

MAGA!

What an absolute riddy.

[Mcbizz1998]

What an absolute riddy.

Riddy?

[Jones28]

But the post above by grunt isn’t antagonistic? Free speech is back on Hibs.net, not just for those who pay for privilege!

MAGA!

It's only antagonistic to those it applies to, which is a shame as I always thought you were a decent poster.

But hey, if you like the misogynistic, illiterate moron then good luck to you.

Free speech has always been on hibs.net, just be prepared for plenty of backlash for showing yourself up to be a knob.

[Mcbizz1998]

It's only antagonistic to those it applies to, which is a shame as I always thought you were a decent poster.

But hey, if you like the misogynistic, illiterate moron then good luck to you.

Free speech has always been on hibs.net, just be prepared for plenty of backlash for showing yourself up to be a knob.

I can still be a decent poster, you can disagree with me without calling me a knob and getting all emotional about it.

I think Donald Trump is class. I agree with the vast majority of his policies. I don’t think he is racist, a traitor, a moron, illiterate or really any of the things everyone else on this thread seem to unquestionably agree he is.

If that means I get backlash then I’m sure I will live. All the best and looking forward to the next 3 and half years with Don and the wheel 🇺🇸

[Jones28]

I can still be a decent poster, you can disagree with me without calling me a knob and getting all emotional about it.

I think Donald Trump is class. I agree with the vast majority of his policies. I don’t think he is racist, a traitor, a moron, illiterate or really any of the things everyone else on this thread seem to unquestionably agree he is.

If that means I get backlash then I’m sure I will live. All the best and looking forward to the next 3 and half years with Don and the wheel 🇺🇸

Emotional :aok:

Nah, I'll call a spade a spade.

People unquestionably agree with it because he unquestionably is. You think he's class, which says more about you as an individual than it says about the people that think he's a dick.

Are you a Reform voter per chance? Big Nige likes him too.

[The Tubs]

I can still be a decent poster, you can disagree with me without calling me a knob and getting all emotional about it.

I think Donald Trump is class. I agree with the vast majority of his policies. I don’t think he is racist, a traitor, a moron, illiterate or really any of the things everyone else on this thread seem to unquestionably agree he is.

If that means I get backlash then I’m sure I will live. All the best and looking forward to the next 3 and half years with Don and the wheel 🇺🇸

Has the whole TACO trade just been due to his cravenness, or has it been about gaming the markets? Or, allowing you another possibility, has he really just been playing a level of strategy that is beyond our comprenhension?

[Mcbizz1998]

Emotional :aok:

Nah, I'll call a spade a spade.

People unquestionably agree with it because he unquestionably is. You think he's class, which says more about you as an individual than it says about the people that think he's a dick.

Are you a Reform voter per chance? Big Nige likes him too.

77 million Americans might question it, plus me. I could make claims about what you hating him says about you btw

And yep, voted Reform for first time at the last election having voted predominantly Conservative in the past.

[grunt]

Why is Trump trying to destroy higher education in the US?

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[J-C]

But the post above by grunt isn’t antagonistic? Free speech is back on Hibs.net, not just for those who pay for privilege!

MAGA!
Posters like you got this forum closed to only PM and I was delighted it happened but if posters like you return it'll be closed again, try posting with being a dick.

[Mcbizz1998]

Posters like you got this forum closed to only PM and I was delighted it happened but if posters like you return it'll be closed again, try posting with being a dick.

Wow, that’s ‘knob’ and ‘dick’ I’ve been called so far. Seems like you lot were enjoying your little echo chamber and are now upset differing opinions are back on the Trump thread!

I’ll continue to post my opinions as I see fit 👍

[Jones28]

Wow, that’s ‘knob’ and ‘dick’ I’ve been called so far. Seems like you lot were enjoying your little echo chamber and are now upset differing opinions are back on the Trump thread!

I’ll continue to post my opinions as I see fit 👍

Other than wide-ranging, general opinions, what specific thing is it you like about Trump?

[Jones28]

77 million Americans might question it, plus me. I could make claims about what you hating him says about you btw

And yep, voted Reform for first time at the last election having voted predominantly Conservative in the past.

Claim away, what does detesting Trump say about me?

[Stairway 2 7]

But the post above by grunt isn’t antagonistic? Free speech is back on Hibs.net, not just for those who pay for privilege!

MAGA!

Those that paid meant there was a website. 10 bar per year so we have this website

[Mcbizz1998]

Other than wide-ranging, general opinions, what specific thing is it you like about Trump?

I find him extremely entertaining for one. I agree with his America first outlook and that the rest of the west has been taking advantage of the US taxpayer for too long. I like that he is anti-war and will do business with whoever, he doesn’t feel the need to be the world police. His stance on the border is spot on. He doesn’t speak like a politician and will say it as it is, he is anti-woke and protects women’s spaces and sports. The list could go on and on.


And as for your other question. Your hatred for Trump coupled with your spouting of regurgitated, false claims about him tells me you are probably a millennial bore who gets most of his information from main stream media outlets, which you swallow without question. You believe you are righteous and parrot phrases like being on ‘the right side of history’. You agree with the mainstream position on pretty much every single topic, whilst not realising that it’s all been spoon fed to you and that all your so called opinions align with every big corporation and career politician in the world.

That’s what it says about you, but a bit like what you think liking Trump says about me - it could all be incorrect. Who knows?

[Jones28]

I find him extremely entertaining for one. I agree with his America first outlook and that the rest of the west has been taking advantage of the US taxpayer for too long. I like that he is anti-war and will do business with whoever, he doesn’t feel the need to be the world police. His stance on the border is spot on. He doesn’t speak like a politician and will say it as it is, he is anti-woke and protects women’s spaces and sports. The list could go on and on.


And as for your other question. Your hatred for Trump coupled with your spouting of regurgitated, false claims about him tells me you are probably a millennial bore who gets most of his information from main stream media outlets, which you swallow without question. You believe you are righteous and parrot phrases like being on ‘the right side of history’. You agree with the mainstream position on pretty much every single topic, whilst not realising that it’s all been spoon fed to you and that all your so called opinions align with every big corporation and career politician in the world.

That’s what it says about you, but a bit like what you think liking Trump says about me - it could all be incorrect. Who knows?

:aok:

Which false claims out of interest?

I don't watch mainstream news, have never said I want to be on the right side of history, can't stand big corporations, career politicians are some of the most despicable people, I don't believe I come across as being righteous.

Other than that you're spot on, if detesting Donald Trump makes me a millennial bore then I'll proudly wear that t-shirt.

Trump protects women, by grabbing them by the pussy and paying off the pornstars he has his dalliances with. I actually agree with his stance on gender ID in sports, and its mental it ever went as far as it did.

Anti-war...hmm, anti-war but can't make his mind up about Russia or Israel, the two antagonists of two of the biggest conflicts of the 21st century.

Its a view.

[Mcbizz1998]

:aok:

Which false claims out of interest?

I don't watch mainstream news, have never said I want to be on the right side of history, can't stand big corporations, career politicians are some of the most despicable people, I don't believe I come across as being righteous.

Other than that you're spot on, if detesting Donald Trump makes me a millennial bore then I'll proudly wear that t-shirt.

Trump protects women, by grabbing them by the pussy and paying off the pornstars he has his dalliances with. I actually agree with his stance on gender ID in sports, and its mental it ever went as far as it did.

Anti-war...hmm, anti-war but can't make his mind up about Russia or Israel, the two antagonists of two of the biggest conflicts of the 21st century.

It’s a view.
You said he is illiterate for one, not true. And you just made another false claim, he’s never actually grabbed anyone by the pussy. He made a private joke amongst friends about how women act around famous people. And why can’t he pay off pornstars and protect women’s spaces/sports? You may say you hate career politicians and corporations but you admit you agree with every mainstream position, which aligns with them?

But anyway, my assumptions about you were, in the main, incorrect! Maybe some of your assumptions about me might be too? Just a thought. Glad we could agree on some points at least.

[CropleyWasGod]

I find him extremely entertaining for one. I agree with his America first outlook and that the rest of the west has been taking advantage of the US taxpayer for too long. I like that he is anti-war and will do business with whoever, he doesn’t feel the need to be the world police. His stance on the border is spot on. He doesn’t speak like a politician and will say it as it is, he is anti-woke and protects women’s spaces and sports. The list could go on and on.




In what way?

[grunt]

... he is anti-woke ...
What does this mean and why is it a good thing?

[Jones28]

You said he is illiterate for one, not true. And you just made another false claim, he’s never actually grabbed anyone by the pussy. He made a private joke amongst friends about how women act around famous people. And why can’t he pay off pornstars and protect women’s spaces/sports? You may say you hate career politicians and corporations but you admit you agree with every mainstream position, which aligns with them?

But anyway, my assumptions about you were, in the main, incorrect! Maybe some of your assumptions about me might be too? Just a thought. Glad we could agree on some points at least.

:aok: 1 singular point we agreed on, that you've then gone on to make a weird point about it being ok that he paid off a pornstar? How do you even compute that? He has paid for sex, then had to pay more to keep it quiet? Is that not disgusting or is it just me?

I don't like making assumptions about people, but there are two things that I can't help but do that with.

One is being a Trump supporter, the other is someone saying they're a Rangers fan.

Both give me some sort of visceral reaction that I can't really explain, it's probably my wokeness.

Re Trumps "literacy", you know he doesn't read anything right? He literally doesn't read so he gets lots of pictures and charts and stuff made up for him?

[Paulie Walnuts]

You said he is illiterate for one, not true. And you just made another false claim, he’s never actually grabbed anyone by the pussy. He made a private joke amongst friends about how women act around famous people. And why can’t he pay off pornstars and protect women’s spaces/sports? You may say you hate career politicians and corporations but you admit you agree with every mainstream position, which aligns with them?

But anyway, my assumptions about you were, in the main, incorrect! Maybe some of your assumptions about me might be too? Just a thought. Glad we could agree on some points at least.

Why can’t he sexually assault and rape women and pay them off?

Wow.

[Moulin Yarns]

What does this mean and why is it a good thing?

Anti-woke must mean that he is asleep?!

[grunt]

And you just made another false claim, he’s never actually grabbed anyone by the pussy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65502076

Donald Trump sexually abused E Jean Carroll, jury finds.

[Mcbizz1998]

:aok: 1 singular point we agreed on, that you've then gone on to make a weird point about it being ok that he paid off a pornstar? How do you even compute that? He has paid for sex, then had to pay more to keep it quiet? Is that not disgusting or is it just me?

I don't like making assumptions about people, but there are two things that I can't help but do that with.

One is being a Trump supporter, the other is someone saying they're a Rangers fan.

Both give me some sort of visceral reaction that I can't really explain, it's probably my wokeness.

Re Trumps "literacy", you know he doesn't read anything right? He literally doesn't read so he gets lots of pictures and charts and stuff made up for him?

My point about the pornstar was that I don’t see why that negates his protection of women’s spaces and sports. And btw, you don’t seem to be aware of what actually happened. He never paid for sex with Daniel’s, he had a 1 night stand with her and then paid hush money after the fact. Not something I agree with btw. One would have thought you were familiar with the case given how outraged to you seem to be about it?

Trump supporters and rangers supporters? Those are the boogeymen in the world you live in? All seems a bit silly mate. Plenty of good rangers supporters, and plenty of good people like Trump too.

[Mcbizz1998]

Why can’t he sexually assault and rape women and pay them off?

Wow.

So you think he raped her and Jones thinks he paid her for sex? You would have thought between the 2 of you, you might of got it right - but nope!

[Moulin Yarns]

I find him extremely entertaining for one. I agree with his America first outlook and that the rest of the west has been taking advantage of the US taxpayer for too long. I like that he is anti-war and will do business with whoever, he doesn’t feel the need to be the world police. His stance on the border is spot on. He doesn’t speak like a politician and will say it as it is, he is anti-woke and protects women’s spaces and sports. The list could go on and on.


And as for your other question. Your hatred for Trump coupled with your spouting of regurgitated, false claims about him tells me you are probably a millennial bore who gets most of his information from main stream media outlets, which you swallow without question. You believe you are righteous and parrot phrases like being on ‘the right side of history’. You agree with the mainstream position on pretty much every single topic, whilst not realising that it’s all been spoon fed to you and that all your so called opinions align with every big corporation and career politician in the world.

That’s what it says about you, but a bit like what you think liking Trump says about me - it could all be incorrect. Who knows?

You aren't American, are you?

Reason I ask is that in the last couple of months I've met around 40 American visitors to Scotland and none had a good thing to say about POTUS, they were embarrassed by him.

[Jones28]

My point about the pornstar was that I don’t see why that negates his protection of women’s spaces and sports. And btw, you don’t seem to be aware of what actually happened. He never paid for sex with Daniel’s, he had a consensual 1 night stand with her and then paid hush money after the fact. Not something I agree with btw. One would have thought you were familiar with the case given how outraged to you seem to be about it?

Trump supporters and rangers supporters? Those are the boogeymen in the world you live in? All seems a bit silly mate. Plenty of good rangers supporters, and plenty of good people like Trump too.


I'll bow to your superior knowledge on how the President of the US had to pay off a Pornstar anyway, its not something that outrages me in slightest, I find it absolutely bonkers that people could look at that and think "yes, this is the guy for me".

Yeah, just woke little me, in my woke little world where I have an aversion to people who support a moron in the Whitehouse or a football team that stands for everything I dislike. I'm sure there are some good Rangers fans, but they're ****ing great at hide and seek.

The one other person I know who WAS a Trump fan initially now isn't is a relative who lives in Virginia.

[Mcbizz1998]

You aren't American, are you?

Reason I ask is that in the last couple of months I've met around 40 American visitors to Scotland and none had a good thing to say about POTUS, they were embarrassed by him.

I’m honestly astonished you thought this point was worth a post.

He got 77 million votes and has some of the highest approval ratings he’s ever had. Why is the opinion of a handful of random Americans you met in Edinburgh relevant?

[Jones28]

I’m honestly astonished you thought this point was worth a post.

He got 77 million votes and has some of the highest approval ratings he’s ever had. Why is the opinion of a handful of random Americans you met in Edinburgh relevant?

https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

Looking great for him right enough :aok:

[Paulie Walnuts]

So you think he raped her and Jones thinks he paid her for sex? You would have thought between the 2 of you, you might of got it right - but nope!

Given her testimony that she didn’t want to sleep with him but he wouldn’t let her out the room when he declared “there’s only one way out of this trailer park” then yes, he raped her.

You can carry on thinking he’s “class” all you want, but rapists are pretty much bottom of the barrel as to people I’d define as “class”.

[Moulin Yarns]

I’m honestly astonished you thought this point was worth a post.

He got 77 million votes and has some of the highest approval ratings he’s ever had. Why is the opinion of a handful of random Americans you met in Edinburgh relevant?

Well, for a start, not in Edinburgh, don't be so presumptive that every hibs supporter lives in the capital. Secondly I'm getting first hand opinion from people who are directly affected by his politics.

I'm trying to understand how a random person in Scotland can be so defensive about a convicted felon.

[Mcbizz1998]

I'll bow to your superior knowledge on how the President of the US had to pay off a Pornstar anyway, its not something that outrages me in slightest, I find it absolutely bonkers that people could look at that and think "yes, this is the guy for me".

Yeah, just woke little me, in my woke little world where I have an aversion to people who support a moron in the Whitehouse or a football team that stands for everything I dislike. I'm sure there are some good Rangers fans, but they're ****ing great at hide and seek.

The one other person I know who WAS a Trump fan initially now isn't is a relative who lives in Virginia.

Ok, it disgusts you. That’s what you said. And it’s not my superior knowledge on paying off a pornstar, it’s the false claim (another one) you made about him paying her for sex in the first place. It’s pretty much the broader point I’m making, people who hate Trump make these claims and are either completely misinformed or are just making things up. I’m waiting for you to start with the ‘very fine people on both sides’ hoax next.

It’s just silly that you have this hatred for Trump and his supporters and then say the only other people who compare are….supporters of a rival football club. Makes your hatred for Trump seem a bit trivial in all honesty.

I’ve never called you woke mate, not sure where you are getting that from.

[Mcbizz1998]

Well, for a start, not in Edinburgh, don't be so presumptive that every hibs supporter lives in the capital. Secondly I'm getting first hand opinion from people who are directly affected by his politics.

I'm trying to understand how a random person in Scotland can be so defensive about a convicted felon.

It’s a thread about Donald Trump, I’m discussing him and giving my opinion. You have provided some pointless anecdotal drivel, adding nothing.

[CropleyWasGod]

It’s a thread about Donald Trump, I’m discussing him and giving my opinion. You have provided some pointless anecdotal drivel, adding nothing.

Can I be next, please?

You probably missed my question earlier , amidst everything else. :greengrin

Any chance of a reply?

[Pretty Boy]

Trump is riding the wave of 'isms' that is the dominant force in western politics right now. George W Bush gave a great speech on it way back in 2011. For all his many faults Bush wasn't an academically stupid man and he used historical examples from the post WWI period to prove his points. You get these periods, particularly in the USA, of isolationism, of America First, of barely concealed racism dressed up as tough border policy etc etc but it never lasts.

The whole refrain from the US during the 20s right through the 30s was that they had no reason to be involved in Europe's inter war power struggles, no reason to deal with the rise of Nazism because Hitler was Europe's problem, it was time to focus on America rather than send their young men to fall in Europe again.....That persisted until it became their problem in a big way.

This will pass, it always does. It might be painful in the meantime but when it comes to a head most people realise who was never on their side and those people are usually those with excessive amounts of both power and money. It almost feels like we need these reminders every 50-100 years as those who lived through it the first time around aren't around to warn us.

[Jones28]

Ok, it disgusts you. That’s what you said. And it’s not my superior knowledge on paying off a pornstar, it’s the false claim (another one) you made about him paying her for sex in the first place. It’s pretty much the broader point I’m making, people who hate Trump make these claims and are either completely misinformed or are just making things up. I’m waiting for you to start with the ‘very fine people on both sides’ hoax next.

It’s just silly that you have this hatred for Trump and his supporters and then say the only other people who compare are….supporters of a rival football club. Makes your hatred for Trump seem a bit trivial in all honesty.

I’ve never called you woke mate, not sure where you are getting that from.

I know there was something about some comment made about fine people on both sides but I can't remember a thing about it. No doubt it was taken out of context though right?

I think the team you support says a lot about the kind of person you are, and I don't think I'm alone in that.

You didn't answer what

Re the woke thing, you said he was anti-woke, so I'll take that to mean anti-me and what I stand for. I don't really see it as an insult.

Are you enjoying the ICE raids? What about the economic instability and stock market rising and falling quicker than Stormy Daniels knickers? Or him berating Zelensky for having the cheek to defend his own borders?

[Mcbizz1998]

Can I be next, please?

You probably missed my question earlier , amidst everything else. :greengrin

Any chance of a reply?

Yes, I did mate.

Mainly around the amount of money the US pays into NATO and its general defence of the west. Other large economies aren’t paying their way. I

[CropleyWasGod]

Yes, I did mate.

Mainly around the amount of money the US pays into NATO and its general defence of the west. Other large economies aren’t paying their way. I

Are tariffs part of his attempt to redress the balance?

[Moulin Yarns]

It’s a thread about Donald Trump, I’m discussing him and giving my opinion. You have provided some pointless anecdotal drivel, adding nothing.

I see you need to resort to petty insults as your argument.

Anecdotal drivel ,in your opinion, while I'm talking to real Americans, from all quarters, californian, Montana, texas, louisiana, wisconsin,milwaukie,Michigan, ohio, west Virginia, north carolina, massachusetts, new York and even florida.

A very wide spread of the United States, east to West, north to south.

Real Americans with real lived experience of trumpian policies.

You, on the other hand have the same, arms length experience that the rest of the UK has.

So,thanks, but I'll believe my customers over your blinkered opinion of a convicted criminal.

🏳️*🌈🏳️*⚧️

[Mcbizz1998]

I know there was something about some comment made about fine people on both sides but I can't remember a thing about it. No doubt it was taken out of context though right?

I think the team you support says a lot about the kind of person you are, and I don't think I'm alone in that.

You didn't answer what

Re the woke thing, you said he was anti-woke, so I'll take that to mean anti-me and what I stand for. I don't really see it as an insult.

Are you enjoying the ICE raids? What about the economic instability and stock market rising and falling quicker than Stormy Daniels knickers? Or him berating Zelensky for having the cheek to defend his own borders?

It doesn’t say as much about someone as you think. I support Hibs, I’m a year older than you and we completely disagree.

I said he was anti-woke, it wasn’t directed at you at all. You made it about you.

- yes I’m loving ICE raids.
- markets will rise, markets will fall. It was ever thus. Pretty misogynistic stuff about old Stormy there though mate? Not very woke of you.
- the sanctified Zelenskyy getting a telling off was a bit much, but I can’t say I disagreed with what was said. Should have been done in private.

[Mcbizz1998]

I see you need to resort to petty insults as your argument.

Anecdotal drivel ,in your opinion, while I'm talking to real Americans, from all quarters, californian, Montana, texas, louisiana, wisconsin,milwaukie,Michigan, ohio, west Virginia, north carolina, massachusetts, new York and even florida.

A very wide spread of the United States, east to West, north to south.

Real Americans with real lived experience of trumpian policies.

You, on the other hand have the same, arms length experience that the rest of the UK has.

So,thanks, but I'll believe my customers over your blinkered opinion of a convicted criminal.

🏳️*🌈🏳️*⚧️

Thanks for the flags 😂

[Mcbizz1998]

Are tariffs part of his attempt to redress the balance?

Possibly. Or maybe used as a negotiating tactic, who knows. I’m not pretending I know what he is up to! If only.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It doesn’t say as much about someone as you think. I support Hibs, I’m a year older than you and we completely disagree.

I said he was anti-woke, it wasn’t directed at you at all. You made it about you.

- yes I’m loving ICE raids.
- markets will rise, markets will fall. It was ever thus. Pretty misogynistic stuff about old Stormy there though mate? Not very woke of you.
- the sanctified Zelenskyy getting a telling off was a bit much, but I can’t say I disagreed with what was said. Should have been done in private.

Out of interest, what is it you’re loving about ICE raids? I presume if you’re loving them that they’re having some sort of positive impact on you and your life? If not then you’re really just revelling in the misery of others and often times misery that’s heaped upon them illegally by the Trump administration.

[jamie_1875]

It doesn’t say as much about someone as you think. I support Hibs, I’m a year older than you and we completely disagree.

I said he was anti-woke, it wasn’t directed at you at all. You made it about you.

- yes I’m loving ICE raids.
- markets will rise, markets will fall. It was ever thus. Pretty misogynistic stuff about old Stormy there though mate? Not very woke of you.
- the sanctified Zelenskyy getting a telling off was a bit much, but I can’t say I disagreed with what was said. Should have been done in private.

I for one welcome you, it's good to have different opinions. As long as it doesn't drift into personal abuse (and I see you got a few already) then we should be able to discuss and debate in a respectful way. It's good to see other opinions as there is a certainty a bit of a group think here, if you don't align with the majority then you tend to stick out.

[Mcbizz1998]

Out of interest, what is it you’re loving about ICE raids? I presume if you’re loving them that they’re having some sort of positive impact on you and your life? If not then you’re really just revelling in the misery of others.

I’m loving a leader who is going after the criminals who are illegally in the country and putting his citizens first. I’m hoping it might catch on 👍

[Moulin Yarns]

Thanks for the flags 😂

You're welcome. As a business I welcome all.

From what you say about your support for Trump policies then I know you don't.

[CropleyWasGod]

Possibly. Or maybe used as a negotiating tactic, who knows. I’m not pretending I know what he is up to! If only.

Basic economics, as in 1st year Uni, tells us that his way of doing things is going to hurt his own economy.

[Mcbizz1998]

I for one welcome you, it's good to have different opinions. As long as it doesn't drift into personal abuse (and I see you got a few already) then we should be able to discuss and debate in a respectful way. It's good to see other opinions as there is a certainty a bit of a group think here, if you don't align with the majority then you tend to stick out.

Thanks mate!

[Mcbizz1998]

You're welcome. As a business I welcome all.

From what you say about your support for Trump policies then I know you don't.

What does your business do btw?

[Moulin Yarns]

I for one welcome you, it's good to have different opinions. As long as it doesn't drift into personal abuse (and I see you got a few already) then we should be able to discuss and debate in a respectful way. It's good to see other opinions as there is a certainty a bit of a group think here, if you don't align with the majority then you tend to stick out.

Personal abuse heading in both directions already.

Good to see the coming together of labour and Reform voters uniting 🤣

[Mcbizz1998]

Personal abuse heading in both directions already.

Good to see the coming together of labour and Reform voters uniting 🤣

I haven’t personally abused anyone. I gave my opinion on your pointless interjection. Wasn’t abusive in any way.

[Hibs4185]

Personal abuse heading in both directions already.

Good to see the coming together of labour and Reform voters uniting 🤣

Can’t wait for the independence/SNP thread with the united people’s front of Labour and Reform with the addition of MAGA

[Moulin Yarns]

What does your business do btw?

Really!!!!

Can you read my username?

And I welcome customers from every corner of the world and people of all minorities.

[Jones28]

It doesn’t say as much about someone as you think. I support Hibs, I’m a year older than you and we completely disagree.

I said he was anti-woke, it wasn’t directed at you at all. You made it about you.

- yes I’m loving ICE raids.
- markets will rise, markets will fall. It was ever thus. Pretty misogynistic stuff about old Stormy there though mate? Not very woke of you.
- the sanctified Zelenskyy getting a telling off was a bit much, but I can’t say I disagreed with what was said. Should have been done in private.

I'm sure you'll agree this is a bit of a statistical anomaly no?

Markets will rise and fall and bolster the portfolios of the investors who make billions when they do fall, it's almost like it was planned isnt it?

Haha caught me out, I'm actually a misogynist myself.

This is a bizarre conversation, actually one of the most surreal I've ever had on this forum.

Can't say I'm surprised on your views re Zelensky, a guy who has more credibility in his left thumb than Trump has ever had.

Loving the ICE raids, tbh I can't see that as anything more than a deplorable view point, wanting us to follow suit over here is a horrifying thought.

[Moulin Yarns]

I haven’t personally abused anyone. I gave my opinion on your pointless interjection. Wasn’t abusive in any way.

Excuse me!!

"You have provided some pointless anecdotal drivel, adding nothing."

Not pointless
Not drivel

Providing direct evidence of the real lived experience of American people.

[Mcbizz1998]

Really!!!!

Can you read my username?

And I welcome customers from every corner of the world and people of all minorities.

Ah yes, should have considered that haha.

Just had a look. I’ll get my granny on to it. She is from up north and goes via pitlochery a lot.

[Jones28]

I for one welcome you, it's good to have different opinions. As long as it doesn't drift into personal abuse (and I see you got a few already) then we should be able to discuss and debate in a respectful way. It's good to see other opinions as there is a certainty a bit of a group think here, if you don't align with the majority then you tend to stick out.

Isn't that the case with lots of things? When a majority of people agree on something the ones who don't will stick out?

That doesn't make people sheep, it means the people that are in the minority and who then post things like MAGA are going to have some questions asked of them.

[Mcbizz1998]

Excuse me!!

"You have provided some pointless anecdotal drivel, adding nothing."

Not pointless
Not drivel

Providing direct evidence of the real lived experience of American people.

It’s not personally abusive. You might not like it which is fine.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’m loving a leader who is going after the criminals who are illegally in the country and putting his citizens first. I’m hoping it might catch on 👍

Given there’s plenty innocent, non-criminal people being caught up in it I’d suggest it’s not something to be ‘loving’.

[Mcbizz1998]

I'm sure you'll agree this is a bit of a statistical anomaly no?

Markets will rise and fall and bolster the portfolios of the investors who make billions when they do fall, it's almost like it was planned isnt it?

Haha caught me out, I'm actually a misogynist myself.

This is a bizarre conversation, actually one of the most surreal I've ever had on this forum.

Can't say I'm surprised on your views re Zelensky, a guy who has more credibility in his left thumb than Trump has ever had.

Loving the ICE raids, tbh I can't see that as anything more than a deplorable view point, wanting us to follow suit over here is a horrifying thought.

Maybe I’m an anomaly on this forum, yes. But my group of Hibs supporting friends I go to games every week are fairly aligned with me on most things. In fact we take great delight in coming up with Trumpian nicknames for players.

It doesn’t surprise me you find it surreal that someone has a different world view to you.

Yeah god forbid our government god rid of violent offenders who are illegally in our country. That would be awful.

[Mcbizz1998]

Given there’s plenty innocent, non-criminal people being caught up in it I’d suggest it’s not something to be ‘loving’.

Any examples? And please don’t say ‘The Maryland man’!

[Jones28]

Maybe I’m an anomaly on this forum, yes. But my group of Hibs supporting friends I go to games very week are fairly aligned with me on most things. In fact we take great delight on coming up with Trumpian nicknames for players.

It doesn’t surprise me you find it surreal that someone has a different world view to you.

Yeah god forbid our government god rid of violent offenders who are illegally in our country. That would be awful.

Oh yeah well, I'll just stick to mainstream news that I don't watch and parrot the opinions of politicians I detest.

You and your pals sound like you have great fun together, thats nice.

Where do you sit so I can make sure I never have to hear your banter?

Ah yes, all the violent offenders, like the violent offenders who literally rioted and tried to set buildings on fire because they housed asylum seekers. Because some ****ed up little prick decided to take his teenage angst out on those poor girls, people saw his skin colour and decided to riot.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Any examples? And please don’t say ‘The Maryland man’!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney

And why are we not to say the Maryland Man? Because it’s another example? He had filed for asylum and the courts granted withholding or removal of him which gave him LEGAL status to stay in the USA. ICE deported him anyway. You were likely ‘loving it’ when it happened, of course.

[Mcbizz1998]

Oh yeah well, I'll just stick to mainstream news that I don't watch and parrot the opinions of politicians I detest.

You and your pals sound like you have great fun together, thats nice.

Where do you sit so I can make sure I never have to hear your banter?

Ah yes, all the violent offenders, like the violent offenders who literally rioted and tried to set buildings on fire because they housed asylum seekers. Because some ****ed up little prick decided to take his teenage angst out on those poor girls, people saw his skin colour and decided to riot.

Why are you talking about the Southport riots? Do you expect me to support that because I like Trump or something?

Take a breath buddy.

[Hibs4185]

Maybe I’m an anomaly on this forum, yes. But my group of Hibs supporting friends I go to games every week are fairly aligned with me on most things. In fact we take great delight in coming up with Trumpian nicknames for players.

It doesn’t surprise me you find it surreal that someone has a different world view to you.

Yeah god forbid our government god rid of violent offenders who are illegally in our country. That would be awful.

My father in law is a Labour, now reform voter.

All he talks about is immigrants and what they’re up to.

He lives in a pretty middle class area and there are no homeless, immigrants or Junkies kicking about.

In fact his only concern in the last couple of years is someone opened a halal butchers on he high street which was met with a lot of worry.

Smells like racism to me to be honest rather than ‘concern’ for his country.

[Pretty Boy]

Btw the spectacular public fall out between Musk and Trump is as hilarious as it was inevitable.

[Paulie Walnuts]

My father in law is a Labour, now reform voter.

All he talks about is immigrants and what they’re up to.

He lives in a pretty middle class area and there are no homeless, immigrants or Junkies kicking about.

In fact his only concern in the last couple of years is someone opened a halal butchers on he high street which was met with a lot of worry.

Smells like racism to me to be honest rather than ‘concern’ for his country.

I’ve had this discussion recently as well. A guy I work with is, to put it mildly, a piece of ****. Racist, misogynistic, homophobic, bigoted. You name it, he’s almost certainly it.

Upon overhearing one of his obscene rants about ‘the blue haired *****’, I asked him how the ‘blue haired *****’ were negatively impacting his life. He claimed it was being shoved down his throat everywhere he goes so I asked him the last time he ever seen one protesting, or even spoke to one. He never had, but it was all over his instagram apparently. I pointed out how the algorithm on Instagram only pushes you stuff that you engage with and as such, I never see any ‘blue haired *****’ on mine, I just see videos of food and Ronaldinho, but he’ll see it because he’s continuously resharing homophobic pish. Essentially, it’s not being shoved down his throat, he’s shoving it down his own throat and then greeting about the fact he’s doing it.

Generally speaking, you’ll find that 99% of the intolerant ******s in the world will have absolutely no real life experience or reason to hate another group of people and it’ll almost always be based upon hearsay from some other piece of **** or nowadays, lies on social media.

[Mcbizz1998]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney

And why are we not to say the Maryland Man? Because it’s another example? He had filed for asylum and the courts granted withholding or removal of him which gave him LEGAL status to stay in the USA. ICE deported him anyway. You were likely ‘loving it’ when it happened, of course.

The example above is nothing to do with the ICE raids?

The Maryland man was in the country illegally and was a known member of MS13. He was detained in 2022 under suspicion of human trafficking. The Biden administration had flagged him as an illegal alien suspected of human trafficking. He was sent back to El Salvador where they promptly arrested him for being the gang member he is.

[CropleyWasGod]

Maybe I’m an anomaly on this forum, yes. But my group of Hibs supporting friends I go to games every week are fairly aligned with me on most things. In fact we take great delight in coming up with Trumpian nicknames for players.

It doesn’t surprise me you find it surreal that someone has a different world view to you.

Yeah god forbid our government god rid of violent offenders who are illegally in our country. That would be awful.

Are all undocumented migrants violent criminals?

Taking the ICE question, though:-

The problem with protectionism, which is what the tariffs are part of, is that an economy on the scale of the US throwing up those barriers then creates problems both for itself and for other economies. It follows from that that people from those other struggling economies want to leave them, and go somewehere where they perceive they will have a better life.

It's one of the effects of colonialism, both cultural and economic, that our (and I include the UK in that) colonies want some of what their colonisers want. So... put up trade barriers, and you will get more immigrants climbing over them.

Would the US not be better served by removing the barriers, hence encouraging people to stay where they are by investment there (as well as at home)? That's the doctrine most American administrations have been following since the end of WW2.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The example above is nothing to do with the ICE raids?

The Maryland man was in the country illegally and was a known member of MS13. He was detained in 2022 under suspicion of human trafficking. The Biden administration had flagged him as an illegal alien suspected of human trafficking. He was sent back to El Salvador where they promptly arrested him for being the gang member he is.

The Maryland man had a legal right to stay in the country, given to him in court. He had zero criminal convictions.

[Mcbizz1998]

My father in law is a Labour, now reform voter.

All he talks about is immigrants and what they’re up to.

He lives in a pretty middle class area and there are no homeless, immigrants or Junkies kicking about.

In fact his only concern in the last couple of years is someone opened a halal butchers on he high street which was met with a lot of worry.

Smells like racism to me to be honest rather than ‘concern’ for his country.

Emm ok?

[Ozyhibby]

Well this has added some unpleasantness to my day.[emoji849][emoji22]


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[Berwickhibby]

77 million Americans might question it, plus me. I could make claims about what you hating him says about you btw

And yep, voted Reform for first time at the last election having voted predominantly Conservative in the past.

Welcome McBizz to the Holy Ground…I think I have found a poster less popular than me :greengrin enjoy before you get a ban

[Jones28]

Why are you talking about the Southport riots? Do you expect me to support that because I like Trump or something?

Take a breath buddy.

Its an interesting counter point to the idea that asylum seekers are the violent criminals, like the Southport rioters thought.

[Mcbizz1998]

Welcome McBizz to the Holy Ground…I think I have found a poster less popular than me :greengrin enjoy before you get a ban

Haha! Thanks mate.

[Mcbizz1998]

Its an interesting counter point to the idea that asylum seekers are the violent criminals, like the Southport rioters thought.

What idea? Nobody said that. You are arguing with yourself.

[CropleyWasGod]

Welcome McBizz to the Holy Ground…I think I have found a poster less popular than me :greengrin enjoy before you get a ban

Behave.

He may be a 9 day wonder for all we know. He has to be consistent over a long period of time before he can claim that crown.


:greengrin

[Jones28]

Maybe I’m an anomaly on this forum, yes. But my group of Hibs supporting friends I go to games every week are fairly aligned with me on most things. In fact we take great delight in coming up with Trumpian nicknames for players.

It doesn’t surprise me you find it surreal that someone has a different world view to you.

Yeah god forbid our government god rid of violent offenders who are illegally in our country. That would be awful.


What idea? Nobody said that. You are arguing with yourself.

:confused:

[Mcbizz1998]

:confused:

You seem to be losing it mate. I specifically said violent offenders. I didn’t say all asylum seekers or any asylum seekers. I’m talking about going after known and proven violent offenders who are illegally in the country and sending them back to where they came from. That is the stated aim of Tom Homan and ICE.

You don’t seem to be able to follow an argument very well so you keep bringing up things that were never said by me or countering points I never even made.

It’s been fun buddy, have a good day.

[Jones28]

You seem to be losing it mate. I specifically said violent offenders. I didn’t say all asylum seekers or any asylum seekers. I’m talking about going after known and proven violent offenders who are illegally in the country and sending them back to where they came from. That is the stated aim of Tom Homan and ICE.

You don’t seem to be able to follow an argument very well so you keep bringing up things that were never said by me or countering points I never even made.

It’s been fun buddy, have a good day.

Like ICE are definitely doing by arresting students :greengrin

Alrighty, enjoy.

[Berwickhibby]

Behave.

He may be a 9 day wonder for all we know. He has to be consistent over a long period of time before he can claim that crown.


:greengrin

A crown that I currently wear with pride lol 😂 :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

You seem to be losing it mate. I specifically said violent offenders. I didn’t say all asylum seekers or any asylum seekers. I’m talking about going after known and proven violent offenders who are illegally in the country and sending them back to where they came from. That is the stated aim of Tom Homan and ICE.

You don’t seem to be able to follow an argument very well so you keep bringing up things that were never said by me or countering points I never even made.

It’s been fun buddy, have a good day.

There it is!!

Send them back to where they came from!

Ignoring the fact that most violent criminals are born and bred in the UK.



Oxford University

www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk

The share of asylum seekers in the local population is related to a 1.1% rise in property crime but no change in violent crime. A rise in A8 migrants as a share of the population is associated with a 0.4% fall in property crime and has no relationship to violent crime.

[Paulie Walnuts]

There it is!!

Send them back to where they came from!

Ignoring the fact that most violent criminals are born and bred in the UK.

Proportionately more as well, before it’s claimed that’s because we’re the majority.

[jamie_1875]

There it is!!

Send them back to where they came from!

Ignoring the fact that most violent criminals are born and bred in the UK.

I think the majority of people would want violent criminals who are here illegally removed from the country? Wouldn't you? He was specifically talking about violent criminals who are here illegally, not in general.

Do you want violent criminals here illegally to be removed from the country? A simple Yes or No will suffice.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think the majority of people would want violent criminals who are here illegally removed from the country? Wouldn't you? He was specifically talking about violent criminals who are here illegally, not in general.

Do you want violent criminals here illegally to be removed from the country? A simple Yes or No will suffice.
Given that they were ‘loving it’ that a man who was legally allowed to be in the USA who had no criminal convictions was deported I think it’s safe to say its not just the violent criminals they want deported from the UK.

[jamie_1875]

Given that they were ‘loving it’ that a man who was legally allowed to be in the USA who had no criminal convictions was deported I think it’s safe to say its not just the violent criminals they want deported.

But the point made was illegal violent criminals, if you lived next door to one would you want him/her removed from the country?

[Mcbizz1998]

I think the majority of people would want violent criminals who are here illegally removed from the country? Wouldn't you? He was specifically talking about violent criminals who are here illegally, not in general.

Do you want violent criminals here illegally to be removed from the country? A simple Yes or No will suffice.

Absolutely right, thanks for clarifying.

To be clear, I want illegal immigrants that commit violent crimes to be deported out of the country back to where they originated from and I’m pleased Trump is leading the way with it.

[Moulin Yarns]

I think the majority of people would want violent criminals who are here illegally removed from the country? Wouldn't you? He was specifically talking about violent criminals who are here illegally, not in general.

Do you want violent criminals here illegally to be removed from the country? A simple Yes or No will suffice.

This from the US

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6241529/#:~:text=The%20results%20from%20fixed%2Deffects,no t%20significant%20in%20all%20specifications.

undocumented immigration does not increase violence. Rather, the relationship between undocumented immigration and violent crime is generally negative, although not significant in all specifications.

An foi request to the UK government does not provide an answer to links between violent crime and illegal migration.

[Paulie Walnuts]

But the point made was illegal violent criminals, if you lived next door to one would you want him/her removed from the country?

And the point was made that they were also loving ICE raids and they doubled down on that by insisting that Kilmer Abrago Garcia’s deportation was absolutely fine.

Funnily enough I’m sure McBizz and all the racists who go along with this thinking would be fairly incandescent if them or their family were removed from the UK to be stuck in a prison in El Salvador.

[jamie_1875]

This from the US

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6241529/#:~:text=The%20results%20from%20fixed%2Deffects,no t%20significant%20in%20all%20specifications.

undocumented immigration does not increase violence. Rather, the relationship between undocumented immigration and violent crime is generally negative, although not significant in all specifications.

An foi request to the UK government does not provide an answer to links between violent crime and illegal migration.

You read something and made a wrong assumption. Can ask again would you want illegal violent criminals removed from the country? It's a yes or no answer to a question.

[jamie_1875]

And the point was made that they were also loving ICE raids and they doubled down on that by insisting that Kilmer Abrago Garcia’s deportation was absolutely fine.

Funnily enough I’m sure McBizz and all the racists who go along with this thinking would be fairly incandescent if them or their family were removed from the UK to be stuck in a prison in El Salvador.

Ah so he is a racist now? 😂

It was very clearly illegal violent criminals, you ignored the question, would you want one living next to you?

[jamie_1875]

Absolutely right, thanks for clarifying.

To be clear, I want illegal immigrants that commit violent crimes to be deported out of the country back to where they originated from and I’m pleased Trump is leading the way with it.

Wait until you give your opinion on Independence then this place will explode. 😂

[Moulin Yarns]

You read something and made a wrong assumption. Can ask again would you want illegal violent criminals removed from the country? It's a yes or no answer to a question.

I want the justice system to deal with all criminals in the same way.

The immigration system would deal with migrants in the appropriate way.

[Mcbizz1998]

And the point was made that they were also loving ICE raids and they doubled down on that by insisting that Kilmer Abrago Garcia’s deportation was absolutely fine.

Funnily enough I’m sure McBizz and all the racists who go along with this thinking would be fairly incandescent if them or their family were removed from the UK to be stuck in a prison in El Salvador.

Please don’t insinuate I’m racist. Garcia’s deportation was due to him being a member of a designated terror group (MS-13). His asylum claim was a stalling tactic by his lawyer that the Biden administration let him away with. The guy is a gang member who was beating his wife and her children. She filed the below in 2020

According to the petition filed by Jennifer Vasquez on August 3, 2020, in the District Court of Maryland for Prince George’s County, Garcia verbally abused her, kicked her, slapped her, shoved her, mentally abused her kids, locking them in their bedroom while they cried, and detained Vasquez against her will. In November 2019, Vasquez alleges that Garcia grabbed her by the hair while in a vehicle. In December 2019, she states Garcia grabbed her from her hair in the car and dragged her out of the vehicle--abandoning her in the street. In January 2020, Vasquez claims Garcia broke her son’s tablet and broke doors in their house. In March 2020, she alleges that Garcia pushed her against the wall while breaking phones and TVs.

So you keep worrying about this ‘innocent’ guy if you like but I’m LOVING IT.

[Mcbizz1998]

Wait until you give your opinion on Independence then this place will explode. 😂

😂

[Paulie Walnuts]

Please don’t insinuate I’m racist. Garcia’s deportation was due to him being a member of a designated terror group (MS-13). His asylum claim was a stalling tactic by his lawyer that the Biden administration let him away with. The guy is a gang member who was beating his wife and her children. She filed the below in 2020

According to the petition filed by Jennifer Vasquez on August 3, 2020, in the District Court of Maryland for Prince George’s County, Garcia verbally abused her, kicked her, slapped her, shoved her, mentally abused her kids, locking them in their bedroom while they cried, and detained Vasquez against her will. In November 2019, Vasquez alleges that Garcia grabbed her by the hair while in a vehicle. In December 2019, she states Garcia grabbed her from her hair in the car and dragged her out of the vehicle--abandoning her in the street. In January 2020, Vasquez claims Garcia broke her son’s tablet and broke doors in their house. In March 2020, she alleges that Garcia pushed her against the wall while breaking phones and TVs.

So you keep worrying about this ‘innocent’ guy if you like but I’m LOVING IT.

I never said you were a racist. Infact I clearly mentioned you and separately mentioned racists.

Again, the guy has no criminal convictions and is in the USA legally. There is absolutely no legal basis for deporting him.

[Kato]

Btw the spectacular public fall out between Musk and Trump is as hilarious as it was inevitable.Ket vs Xanax.

The Final Countdown.

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[Mcbizz1998]

I never said you were a racist. Infact I clearly mentioned you and separately mentioned racists.

Again, the guy has no criminal convictions and is in the USA legally. There is absolutely no legal basis for deporting him.

Yeah you were clever about it, I’ll give you that but you knew what you were doing.

[grunt]

It was very clearly illegal violent criminals, you ignored the question, would you want one living next to you?
Why are you focusing on violent crime committed by illegal immigrants? The UK has no statistics that show how many - or how few - crimes (violent or otherwise) are committed by illegal immigrants.

Are you sure you're not just scapegoating based on a preconceived bias possibly based on race?

BTW I'm not sure this is the right thread, we were happily laughing and shaking our heads at Trump's madness but that topic seems to have been nudged off course.

[grunt]

Garcia’s deportation was due to him being a member of a designated terror group (MS-13). His asylum claim was a stalling tactic by his lawyer that the Biden administration let him away with. The guy is a gang member who was beating his wife and her children. She filed the below in 2020

According to the petition filed by Jennifer Vasquez on August 3, 2020, in the District Court of Maryland for Prince George’s County, Garcia verbally abused her, kicked her, slapped her, shoved her, mentally abused her kids, locking them in their bedroom while they cried, and detained Vasquez against her will. In November 2019, Vasquez alleges that Garcia grabbed her by the hair while in a vehicle. In December 2019, she states Garcia grabbed her from her hair in the car and dragged her out of the vehicle--abandoning her in the street. In January 2020, Vasquez claims Garcia broke her son’s tablet and broke doors in their house. In March 2020, she alleges that Garcia pushed her against the wall while breaking phones and TVs.

So you keep worrying about this ‘innocent’ guy if you like but I’m LOVING IT.Doesn't sound like a very nice chap. But please point to the evidence that he's a member of MS-13. I'm sure you have access to that evidence.

[matty_f]

Please don’t insinuate I’m racist. Garcia’s deportation was due to him being a member of a designated terror group (MS-13). His asylum claim was a stalling tactic by his lawyer that the Biden administration let him away with. The guy is a gang member who was beating his wife and her children. She filed the below in 2020

According to the petition filed by Jennifer Vasquez on August 3, 2020, in the District Court of Maryland for Prince George’s County, Garcia verbally abused her, kicked her, slapped her, shoved her, mentally abused her kids, locking them in their bedroom while they cried, and detained Vasquez against her will. In November 2019, Vasquez alleges that Garcia grabbed her by the hair while in a vehicle. In December 2019, she states Garcia grabbed her from her hair in the car and dragged her out of the vehicle--abandoning her in the street. In January 2020, Vasquez claims Garcia broke her son’s tablet and broke doors in their house. In March 2020, she alleges that Garcia pushed her against the wall while breaking phones and TVs.

So you keep worrying about this ‘innocent’ guy if you like but I’m LOVING IT.
Was this the guy where trump couldn't understand that someone had photoshopped the tattoo on his hand?

[Mcbizz1998]

Doesn't sound like a very nice chap. But please point to the evidence that he's a member of MS-13. I'm sure you have access to that evidence.

He was caught human trafficking with 8 men in his car travelling from Texas to Maryland. None of these men could provide an address other than the one Garcia lived at. Also, big give away, he has MS-13 tattooed on his knuckles.

[Mcbizz1998]

Was this the guy where trump couldn't understand that someone had photoshopped the tattoo on his hand?

Wasn’t photoshopped

[matty_f]

Wasn’t photoshopped

Not just Trump, then. :greengrin

[grunt]

Yeah you were clever about it, I’ll give you that but you knew what you were doing.Guilty of calling you a racist. Although there's no evidence. I can see why you think Trump is class.

[grunt]

Also, big give away, he has MS-13 tattooed on his knuckles.Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that. :greengrin

[Mcbizz1998]

Not just Trump, then. :greengrin

It’s not photoshop. He has symbols tattooed on his knuckles which stand for MS-13. There is no doubt he has them on his hand, there is dispute about what they mean.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Wasn’t photoshopped

FFS :faf:

[Kato]

Would trust the BBC, flawed though it may be, ahead of Trump's clowns.Yeah, I was being a bit kneejerky.

We know Trump's clowns tell huge whoppers. The BBC are well capable of whispery lies though and lie every day through omission.



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[matty_f]

FFS :faf:


The tattoos on Kilmar Abrego Garcia's hand—the symbols like the marijuana leaf, smiley face, cross, and skull—are indeed real, but the specific image that shows the letters "M, S, 1, 3" grafted above and below those symbols was digitally altered. Reports indicate that annotations were added to that image in an attempt to claim a direct connection to MS-13 gang membership, even though no such lettering exists on his actual tattoos. Both the Forbes analysis and CNN coverage make it clear that the digital enhancement was used to suggest gang affiliation, despite experts noting that the actual tattoos are ambiguous and not definitive proof of such membership [A](https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2025/04/30/the-conspiracy-behind-kilmar-abrego-garcias-tattoos-explained-after-trump-insists-doctored-ms-13-ink-is-real/?copilot_analytics_metadata=eyJldmVudEluZm9fY2xpY2 tTb3VyY2UiOiJjaXRhdGlvbkxpbmsiLCJldmVudEluZm9fY29u dmVyc2F0aW9uSWQiOiJLcmNva3lWM3F2cmhVU0xNS1oxNmgiLC JldmVudEluZm9fY2xpY2tEZXN0aW5hdGlvbiI6Imh0dHBzOlwv XC93d3cuZm9yYmVzLmNvbVwvc2l0ZXNcL3NhcmFkb3JuXC8yMD I1XC8wNFwvMzBcL3RoZS1jb25zcGlyYWN5LWJlaGluZC1raWxt YXItYWJyZWdvLWdhcmNpYXMtdGF0dG9vcy1leHBsYWluZWQtYW Z0ZXItdHJ1bXAtaW5zaXN0cy1kb2N0b3JlZC1tcy0xMy1pbmst aXMtcmVhbFwvIiwiZXZlbnRJbmZvX21lc3NhZ2VJZCI6IlhhTj QyUGl2VWh2eGtSQ05YNnJUeCJ9&citationMarker=9F742443-6C92-4C44-BF58-8F5A7C53B6F1) [B](https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/01/politics/abrego-garcias-tattoos-explainer?copilot_analytics_metadata=eyJldmVudEluZ m9fY2xpY2tTb3VyY2UiOiJjaXRhdGlvbkxpbmsiLCJldmVudEl uZm9fY29udmVyc2F0aW9uSWQiOiJLcmNva3lWM3F2cmhVU0xNS 1oxNmgiLCJldmVudEluZm9fY2xpY2tEZXN0aW5hdGlvbiI6Imh 0dHBzOlwvXC93d3cuY25uLmNvbVwvMjAyNVwvMDVcLzAxXC9wb 2xpdGljc1wvYWJyZWdvLWdhcmNpYXMtdGF0dG9vcy1leHBsYWl uZXIiLCJldmVudEluZm9fbWVzc2FnZUlkIjoiWGFONDJQaXZVa HZ4a1JDTlg2clR4In0%3D&citationMarker=9F742443-6C92-4C44-BF58-8F5A7C53B6F1).

Considering this context, it's important to remember that while tattoos can carry personal or cultural meanings, digitally altered images can easily mislead the public by adding false details that were never originally part of the body art. This situation underscores a broader issue with misinformation and the use of technology to manipulate public perception, particularly when tied to contentious political narratives.

If you’re interested in exploring how the manipulation of images can affect public discourse or how symbolism is interpreted in different cultural contexts, there’s a rich discussion to be had about digital editing, media literacy, and the responsibility of public figures in disseminating information..

From Copilot, citing Forbes and CNN as sources.

[grunt]

It’s not photoshop. He has symbols tattooed on his knuckles which stand for MS-13. There is no doubt he has them on his hand, there is dispute about what they mean.
Apparently no dispute. They "stand for MS-13".

[Mcbizz1998]

FFS :faf:

Again you clearly don’t know what happened. He absolutely has tattoo’s on his hand of a weed symbol, smiley face, crucifix and a skull. That is not photoshop. The question is, does it stand for MS-13? Homeland security believe it does.

[Mcbizz1998]

Apparently no dispute. They "stand for MS-13".

Oh no! A typo, you got me!!

[grunt]

Again you clearly don’t know what happened. He absolutely has tattoo’s on his hand of a weed symbol, smiley face, crucifix and a skull. That is not photoshop. The question is, does it stand for MS-13? Homeland security believe it does.
Should be pretty easy to prove. I mean, DHS have proved it haven't they? They have submitted evidence that supports their belief? Can you point to that evidence please?

[CropleyWasGod]

Again you clearly don’t know what happened. He absolutely has tattoo’s on his hand of a weed symbol, smiley face, crucifix and a skull. That is not photoshop. The question is, does it stand for MS-13? Homeland security believe it does.

That just means he's probably a Linkin Park fan.

Come to think of it, you're maybe right. Deportation is too good for him.

[Moulin Yarns]

It’s not photoshop. He has symbols tattooed on his knuckles which stand for MS-13. There is no doubt he has them on his hand, there is dispute about what they mean.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/4/30/does-abrego-garcia-have-ms-13-tattooed-on-his-knuckles-as-trump-claims


Yes or No.


The New York Times reported that most of the 238 men deported to El Salvador have neither criminal records in the US nor documented links to a Venezuelan prison gang.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Again you clearly don’t know what happened. He absolutely has tattoo’s on his hand of a weed symbol, smiley face, crucifix and a skull. That is not photoshop. The question is, does it stand for MS-13? Homeland security believe it does.

I clearly know what happened.

Donald Trump was insistent he has MS13 tattooed on his hand - “ M, S, one, three, it says M, S, one, three. As clear as can be, not interpreted”.

His words, not mine. This is while he is looking at the photoshopped image, an image which you also indicated wasn’t photoshopped. Experts have indicated that there’s nothing to suggest they have anything to do with MS13.

[grunt]

Oh no! A typo, you got me!!Where was the typo? You stated something as fact, then in the next sentence you rowed back on that statement and said there was some dispute. I merely pointed out the inconsistency in your post. But I now understand it was apparently a typo.

[Mon Dieu4]

I will go to El Salvador instead of continuing to read this thread

[Mcbizz1998]

Where was the typo? You stated something as fact, then in the next sentence you rowed back on that statement and said there was some dispute. I merely pointed out the inconsistency in your post. But I now understand it was apparently a typo.

I missed a word. Really sorry.

Difficult when I’m trying to respond to all of you. Been fun though. What did you all do before I came along?!

[CropleyWasGod]

I missed a word. Really sorry.

Difficult when I’m trying to respond to all of you. Been fun though. What did you all do before I came along?!

Photoshop classes.

[Mcbizz1998]

Photoshop classes.

😂

Boring!

[grunt]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/4/30/does-abrego-garcia-have-ms-13-tattooed-on-his-knuckles-as-trump-claims


Yes or No.


The New York Times reported that most of the 238 men deported to El Salvador have neither criminal records in the US nor documented links to a Venezuelan prison gang.
You're obviously just a "millennial bore who gets most of his information from main stream media outlets, which you swallow without question."

Which raises the question, which I've not seen posed yet today, which is where does our new poster on this thread obtain his information? Because I'd like to know, since the information that I use is apparently biased, or just plain incorrect.

[CropleyWasGod]

😂

Boring!

If so, have a go at my macroeconomic theory post a few pages back :cb

[Moulin Yarns]

You're obviously just a "millennial bore who gets most of his information from main stream media outlets, which you swallow without question."

Which raises the question, which I've not seen posed yet today, which is where does our new poster on this thread obtain his information? Because I'd like to know, since the information that I use is apparently biased, or just plain incorrect.

Truth social and X.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You're obviously just a "millennial bore who gets most of his information from main stream media outlets, which you swallow without question."

Which raises the question, which I've not seen posed yet today, which is where does our new poster on this thread obtain his information? Because I'd like to know, since the information that I use is apparently biased, or just plain incorrect.

I do always find it funny when people throw that one out.

“I GET MY INFO FROM REAL SOURCES, NO THE MSM” says Brad the plumber, who got his info from Andrew Tate.

[Mcbizz1998]

Truth social and X.

Don’t do social media. (Apart form good old Hibs.net of course)

[Jones28]

You're obviously just a "millennial bore who gets most of his information from main stream media outlets, which you swallow without question."

Which raises the question, which I've not seen posed yet today, which is where does our new poster on this thread obtain his information? Because I'd like to know, since the information that I use is apparently biased, or just plain incorrect.

Are we not both millenial bores, just in our own ways? :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

If so, have a go at my macroeconomic theory post a few pages back :cb

that would require a couple of functioning brain cells.

[Mcbizz1998]

You're obviously just a "millennial bore who gets most of his information from main stream media outlets, which you swallow without question."

Which raises the question, which I've not seen posed yet today, which is where does our new poster on this thread obtain his information? Because I'd like to know, since the information that I use is apparently biased, or just plain incorrect.

Mainly Ground News. 👍

[Mcbizz1998]

that would require a couple of functioning brain cells.

Oh! More personal abuse. You aren’t very good at following your own rules!

[grunt]

I missed a word. Really sorry. Tha's ok. It's helpful to know that when you post something and are called out on it, that you'll explain that it was a mistake, or a typo. Helps us understand how to read your posts.


Difficult when I’m trying to respond to all of you. Been fun though. What did you all do before I came along?!So you're doing. this for your own enjoyment? You don't actually believe any of this and are just trolling? Is that what you're saying?

[Moulin Yarns]

Oh! More personal abuse. You aren’t very good at following your own rules!

You have made an assumption. I never mentioned you. I saw CWGs question and doubt that I could answer it. What about you?

[Mcbizz1998]

Tha's ok. It's helpful to know that when you post something and are called out on it, that you'll explain that it was a mistake, or a typo. Helps us understand how to read your posts.

So you're doing. this for your own enjoyment? You don't actually believe any of this and are just trolling? Is that what you're saying?

No that’s not what I’m saying, not at all.

I’ve enjoyed the debate.

[Berwickhibby]

Tha's ok. It's helpful to know that when you post something and are called out on it, that you'll explain that it was a mistake, or a typo. Helps us understand how to read your posts.

So you're doing. this for your own enjoyment? You don't actually believe any of this and are just trolling? Is that what you're saying?

McBizz is after my crown ….but for now 🍿 ….. waiting for the next post

[jamie_1875]

No that’s not what I’m saying, not at all.

I’ve enjoyed the debate.

Good to get some new views. And you will be accused of trolling many times because you dare have a different opinion.

[grunt]

Mainly Ground News. 👍Thanks.

[Mcbizz1998]

While I’m at it, I’ll share with you all that I actually had my wedding at Trump Turnberry!

I have a photo of my wife, me and my groomsmen outside the Trump Boardroom with our MAGA hats on. That probably sounds like a troll but it’s absolutely true 😂

[grunt]

Good to get some new views. And you will be accused of trolling many times because you dare have a different opinion.
Well you're just plain wrong there. I didn't accuse him of trolling because his opinions are different, but because he appears to have enjoyed the disruption he's caused. But it's the debate he's enjoyed, so that's been cleared up.

[Berwickhibby]

While I’m at it, I’ll share with you all that I actually had my wedding at Trump Turnberry!

I have a photo of my wife, me and my groomsmen outside the Trump Boardroom with our MAGA hats on. That probably sounds like a troll but it’s absolutely true 😂

I have been Master of Ceremonies at Turnberry….he pays well

[jamie_1875]

While I’m at it, I’ll share with you all that I actually had my wedding at Trump Turnberry!

I have a photo of my wife, me and my groomsmen outside the Trump Boardroom with our MAGA hats on. That probably sounds like a troll but it’s absolutely true 😂

You just made me laugh out loud at my desk!

[Mcbizz1998]

I have been Master of Ceremonies at Turnberry….he pays well

Nice one mate!

[CropleyWasGod]

I have been Master of Ceremonies at Turnberry….he pays well

Yoiu're turning this into a dick-swinging contest.

Just be yourself, and you'll win. :greengrin


Edit. Fox News have just asked me for an article. Beat that, wee dick. :greengrin

[Berwickhibby]

Yoiu're turning this into a dick-swinging contest.

Just be yourself, and you'll win. :greengrin


Edit. Fox News have just asked me for an article. Beat that, wee dick. :greengrin

Never tried to compete in the dick size comparison….hate losing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Mcbizz1998]

You just made me laugh out loud at my desk!

Pahaha!

[J-C]

Oh joy, turned into the **** show that we all expected and done in less than a day, well done admins 👍

[CropleyWasGod]

Oh joy, turned into the **** show that we all expected and done in less than a day, well done admins 👍

Not sure it is.

It's a debate, no?

[silverhibee]

Behave.

He may be a 9 day wonder for all we know. He has to be consistent over a long period of time before he can claim that crown.


:greengrin

Does he own a suit is an important question as well. :thumbsup:

[Jones28]

Not sure it is.

It's a debate, no?

Seems like a bit of a pro-Trump echo chamber judging by the last 10 or so posts.

[CropleyWasGod]

Seems like a bit of a pro-Trump echo chamber judging by the last 10 or so posts.

... as opposed to the anti-Trump echo chamber for the 1000 or so before that :greengrin

[grunt]

I expect everyone mentioned in this article is an illegal violent criminal gang member.

https://www.thecity.nyc/2025/06/04/ice-immigration-enforcement-manhattan-roundup-geo-group/

Families in Tears and Panic Outside Immigration Office as ICE Accelerates Round-Ups

[Paulie Walnuts]

I expect everyone mentioned in this article is an illegal violent criminal gang member.

https://www.thecity.nyc/2025/06/04/ice-immigration-enforcement-manhattan-roundup-geo-group/

Families in Tears and Panic Outside Immigration Office as ICE Accelerates Round-Ups

That’ll be almost porn-like to some.

[babahibs]

You just made me laugh out loud at my desk!

Me too but for different reasons

[Jones28]

... as opposed to the anti-Trump echo chamber for the 1000 or so before that :greengrin

Well it was kind of my point, the echo chamber comments accuse non supporters of all agreeing only for pro-Trump folks to appear out of nowhere and agree with each other too.

[Ozyhibby]

That just means he's probably a Linkin Park fan.

Come to think of it, you're maybe right. Deportation is too good for him.

Oi! I like Linken Park.[emoji35][emoji23]


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[Jones28]

I expect everyone mentioned in this article is an illegal violent criminal gang member.

https://www.thecity.nyc/2025/06/04/ice-immigration-enforcement-manhattan-roundup-geo-group/

Families in Tears and Panic Outside Immigration Office as ICE Accelerates Round-Ups

I dunno about you guys, but I LOVE seeing 12 year old girls distraught like this.

[CropleyWasGod]

Oi! I like Linken Park.[emoji35][emoji23]


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Sorry... insert your own tattoo-based rock band :greengrin

[Paulie Walnuts]

I dunno about you guys, but I LOVE seeing 12 year old girls distraught like this.

I am also absolutely loving it. It’s this kind of thing that truly makes America great.

Nothing makes me happier than families being ripped apart and having their lives turned upside down. Absolutely LOVE it. 🇺🇸

[nonshinyfinish]

Oi! I like Linken Park

Blocked and reported

[grunt]

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lqupq2vswf2h

German Chancellor MERZ: Tomorrow is the D Day anniversary, when the Americans ended a war in Europe

POTUS TRUMP: That was not a pleasant day for you? This is not a great day

German Chancellor MERZ: This was the liberation of my country from Nazi dictatorship

[DaveF]

I'm glad Jamie has a soul mate to play with but after reading the last few pages, I think I'll join follow follow for some sane discussion.

[jamie_1875]

I'm glad Jamie has a soul mate to play with but after reading the last few pages, I think I'll join follow follow for some sane discussion.

Ah all upset someone else has a different opinion. 😂

I won't agree with everything but I will defend the right for people to have an opinion without abuse because they think differently. If your upset it must be a good thing!