(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[Ozyhibby]

Pray for Ozzy :pray:


Joking aside I've been disappointed by election results plenty times, referendums etc totally gutted but I think this is the first election I've ever witnessed that's genuinely giving me a level of fear.

If he wins it’s going to be grim for the US but also for everyone else. The tariffs alone will cause a recession globally.


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[Ozyhibby]

Not looking great. Hopefully like last time and blue pips red at the posts.

She seems to be under performing Biden unfortunately.


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[Andy Bee]

If he wins it’s going to be grim for the US but also for everyone else. The tariffs alone will cause a recession globally.


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We may actually witness the start of it tomorrow when BofE meet to review the interest rate.

[Ozyhibby]

Not to mention how bad this will be for Ukraine.


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[Hibrandenburg]

She seems to be under performing Biden unfortunately.


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Not sure how she could have performed better. If the Democrats lose this then a lot of it is down to Biden, but most of it is down to the age old problem of simple people looking for simple answers to difficult questions.

[Ozyhibby]

Not sure how she could have performed better. If the Democrats lose this then a lot of it is down to Biden, but most of it is down to the age old problem of simple people looking for simple answers to difficult questions.

Two things have hurt more than anything, inflation and immigration.
Inflation was a global problem but immigration is on the democrats.


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[Andy Bee]

Trump did say live on Joe Rogan he'd publish the JFK files the first day of him in office. That should be interesting.

[Ozyhibby]

Trump did say live on Joe Rogan he'd publish the JFK files the first day of him in office. That should be interesting.

You can’t even count on him doing the bad things he says. I doubt it will happen. Who knows? This will be a lot different this time as he only has Trump loyalists around him.
Is he really going to impose 20% tariffs? Mass deportations?
Only thing that is nailed on is takeover of the DoJ and all his legal problems go away.


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[Andy Bee]

You can’t even count on him doing the bad things he says. I doubt it will happen. Who knows? This will be a lot different this time as he only has Trump loyalists around him.
Is he really going to impose 20% tariffs? Mass deportations?
Only thing that is nailed on is takeover of the DoJ and all his legal problems go away.


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Yup, that'll be his first 3 months taken care of and all the rhetoric surrounding him pardoning himself that goes with it.

[Smartie]

That’s an absolute disaster.

[danhibees1875]

Looking at the movement in odds on bet365, Trump was slight favourite the other day and now 1/150 to win so assume it's all but over.

[Ozyhibby]

Looking at the movement in odds on bet365, Trump was slight favourite the other day and now 1/150 to win so assume it's all but over.

Fox just called Pennsylvania for Trump. All over now.


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[Northernhibee]

Looking at the movement in odds on bet365, Trump was slight favourite the other day and now 1/150 to win so assume it's all but over.

Projecting ahead in all swing states.

Utterly, utterly depressing.

[Jones28]

This is mad. Utterly mad.

[Northernhibee]

This is mad. Utterly mad.

A victory for Russia.

[Bristolhibby]

Sadly it looks like he’s done it. Poor, uneducated Americans have done it.

And I’m not saying that as an insult, rather than a fact.

J

[Bristolhibby]

She seems to be under performing Biden unfortunately.


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Yep, look at say Erie, PA. She’s behind with 97% counted. A populous county. There’s just not enough votes.

J

[Northernhibee]

Sadly it looks like he’s done it. Poor, uneducated Americans have done it.

And I’m not saying that as an insult, rather than a fact.

J
Young American men seem to have done it.

[Colr]

Sadly it looks like he’s done it. Poor, uneducated Americans have done it.

And I’m not saying that as an insult, rather than a fact.

J

Promising people higher wages and lower prices was hitting through. His messaging was simple, repetitive and effective in the last weeks

[Hibs90]

I mean, maybe Trump ‘found’ some votes this time around

[Hibrandenburg]

A victory for Russia.

:agree: Europe needs to start arming themselves to the teeth.

[Scorrie]

Could be bad news for Ukraine and Taiwan.

[AugustaHibs]

Kamala has had an absolute shocker.

Shouldn’t be too much of a shock I suppose when she shouldn’t even have been running in the first place.

[Northernhibee]

:agree: Europe needs to start arming themselves to the teeth.

If we have the US, Russia, and North Korea aligned then I’m not sure what difference that makes.

[Northernhibee]

The democrats have ****ed it again. America is a mysogonist country. There’s a reason young men flooded out for Trump and that there never been a female president. First Clinton then Harris.

Similarly depressing to say, but when you’re up against a troglodyte (albeit a dangerous one) like Trump it’s time to put out a candidate that the electorate will be more likely to vote for, not necessarily the most talented.

And even that is depressing to type.

[Jones28]

Very close to victory now.

[Ozyhibby]

The democrats have ****ed it again. America is a mysogonist country. There’s a reason young men flooded out for Trump and that there never been a female president. First Clinton then Harris.

Similarly depressing to say, but when you’re up against a troglodyte (albeit a dangerous one) like Trump it’s time to put out a candidate that the electorate will be more likely to vote for, not necessarily the most talented.

And even that is depressing to type.

I don’t think her gender was the issue. Inflation and immigration were the problem.


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[Jones28]

I don’t think her gender was the issue. Inflation and immigration were the problem.


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I’m not convinced on that tbh.

[AugustaHibs]

The democrats have ****ed it again. America is a mysogonist country. There’s a reason young men flooded out for Trump and that there never been a female president. First Clinton then Harris.

Similarly depressing to say, but when you’re up against a troglodyte (albeit a dangerous one) like Trump it’s time to put out a candidate that the electorate will be more likely to vote for, not necessarily the most talented.

And even that is depressing to type.


She’s not even close to being the most talented either.

Bad scene for the Democratic Party.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m not convinced on that tbh.

Either way, I don’t think we’ll see a female candidate for a while.


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[DaveF]

Someone needs to change the thread title.

Let's see what the next 4 years of chaos brings us. If we all survive that long.

[Callum_62]

America is absolutely bat **** crazy arnt they?

Well at least half of it is

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[Northernhibee]

We need to be very, very aware that with Badenoch and Farage plus the force of Russian disinformation farms, we need to be preparing for the next general elections here now.

[Ozyhibby]

Someone needs to change the thread title.

Let's see what the next 4 years of chaos brings us. If we all survive that long.

It would surprise if he just stays long enough to pardon himself and hands it to Vance. Once he’s totally enriched himself first.


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[JimBHibees]

We need to be very, very aware that with Badenoch and Farage plus the force of Russian disinformation farms, we need to be preparing for the next general elections here now.

A huge factor

[Ozyhibby]

We need to be very, very aware that with Badenoch and Farage plus the force of Russian disinformation farms, we need to be preparing for the next general elections here now.

We won’t though. We’ll just plod along. Starmer will be off to meet him soon and pledge loyalty.


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[JimBHibees]

I’m not convinced on that tbh.

Gender and race would be an issue imo

[lapsedhibee]

Someone needs to change the thread title.

Let's see what the next 4 years of chaos brings us. If we all survive that long.

Nah, leave it for a bit. He struggled when opening the door at his garbage truck stunt the other day. At 78 there's always a chance he'll keel over completely and the world will be rid. :pray:

[weecounty hibby]

Can't believe what I'm waking up to this morning. Colllectively America has to be the stupidest country on earth

[Jones28]

Nah, leave it for a bit. He struggled when opening the door at his garbage truck stunt the other day. At 78 there's always a chance he'll keel over completely and the world will be rid. :pray:

He will come back as a head in jar like in Futurama.

[Northernhibee]

We won’t though. We’ll just plod along. Starmer will be off to meet him soon and pledge loyalty.


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Against a much more powerful country and a leader who runs on spite, I’m not convinced a world leader calling him out immediately is a good idea.

Remembering the phone call that Angela Merkel had with Trump where she basically explained how economics works to him, a kid gloves approach is probably the least worst option.

And again, what a depressing thing to have to type.

[Jim44]

Justification for tyrannical leaders worldwide. Turkeys voting avidly for Christmas.

[USA_Hibee]

My wife and I lived in Boston and moved to London in December last year due to a new job and having to change visas. We have started the visa process again recently and the intention has always been to move back in 2025.

I think we will continue but will watch closely how things go over the next few months.

[Greenworld]

Can't believe what I'm waking up to this morning. Colllectively America has to be the stupidest country on earthYou know I have no feelings either way. The public get who they vote for right!
That's how it works.
Here labour got in and my god shambles does not come close so you could say UK are equally stupid for believing the lies of labour pre election


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[JimBHibees]

Can't believe what I'm waking up to this morning. Colllectively America has to be the stupidest country on earth

No doubt about that

[ddoc]

I’m not convinced on that tbh.

There are not enough adjectives to express how I feel just now.
I think the people in the USA who voted for him today will be looking back in a years time and questioning what drove them to vote for Trump.
I am depressed at how depressed I feel over this. I live in Australia, why should I care a toss about how these crazy yanks have voted. But I have a modicum of intelligence to understand the impact this will have on our life over the next 4 years.
What a screwed up world we life in.

[Col2]

After the tories were kicked out I had a little hope Labour would be brave and make the decisions this country needed but that lasted up to the budget and it dawned on me they are all the same, cowards, liars, corrupt.

That reset my expectations to zero and with Trump getting in it doesn’t even scratch the surface.

It’s all about doing what you can for your family and loved ones in my opinion now. When America make stupid decisions like today, you can’t control or influence it. Politics is dead in the US and the UK.

[Aldo]

Absolute madness.

Buckle up world as this egotistic narcissistic megalomaniac is about to be unleashed on the world yet again.

[Brummie_Hibs]

Congratulations Trump, deserved.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Kamala has had an absolute shocker.

Shouldn’t be too much of a shock I suppose when she shouldn’t even have been running in the first place.

Absolutely. Opinion polling was clear that they had to go with Michelle Obama to have any chance of beating Trump.

[Hibrandenburg]

It would surprise if he just stays long enough to pardon himself and hands it to Vance. Once he’s totally enriched himself first.


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Step out of the limelight, not a cat in hell's chance.

[Jones28]

Calling it now, Trump will change it so he can run for a third term.

[Jones28]

Can’t be far away from being official now, he just picked up another ticket.

[Hibrandenburg]

Calling it now, Trump will change it so he can run for a third term.

Don't think he'll live that long.

[Sergio sledge]

RFK jr being given free rein on health is a pretty scary thought. “Go and have fun” trump tells him….

[Jim44]

Don't think he'll live that long.

Every cloud has a silver lining.

[jamie_1875]

The signs were all there and I don't think Harris was ever a serious contender, the fact he has won the popular vote as well is quite telling. The economy is nearly always the most important factor in how people vote, to say people are stupid because they voted to make the economy better is just looking for a simple answer to a complex problem, in some ways the exact thing Trump has done.

[Pretty Boy]

After the tories were kicked out I had a little hope Labour would be brave and make the decisions this country needed but that lasted up to the budget and it dawned on me they are all the same, cowards, liars, corrupt.

That reset my expectations to zero and with Trump getting in it doesn’t even scratch the surface.

It’s all about doing what you can for your family and loved ones in my opinion now. When America make stupid decisions like today, you can’t control or influence it. Politics is dead in the US and the UK.

For me Trump (and Musk) sweeping to power is the result of years (decades?) of mainstream politicians striving to be the least bad option and people continuing to give tacit approval to that by voting for their favourite least bad candidate rather than demanding someone with a genuine ideological and moral pathway steps forward. We complain about the status quo and the obvious failures of late stage capitalism and neoliberalism but continue to endorse it in 4 or 5 year cycles.

Trump is dishonest in so many ways but in other ways what you see is what you get. He blurts out what he believes in. Even his closest advisors must have their head in their hands sometimes but with that said the more outrageous he gets the more popular he becomes, certainly among his core support. Contrast that to UK front bench politicians struggling to define a woman in the lead up to our election. It's not the case of them not knowing what they believe a woman to be, it's a case of being so terrified of saying what they truly believe because it might alienate people who don't believe the same as them that they end up alienating everyone and someone steps in to fill the void. That's one example but our election campaign was littered with such. Ultimately there isn't really that same level of bull**** and evasiveness with someone like Trump. He's a bit racist, a bit sexist, a bit of this and a bit of that and whilst none of that is admirable he's put it on show for the world to see and ask to be judged on it. The verdict is depressing of course.

A Trump victory isn't good for the average American but then I'm not sure a Harris victory was that much better. Decades of the same cyclical Presidents has seen the middle class continuously decimated, the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. For all his rhetoric Trump will be as much of a continuation of that as Harris would have been; he'll just give some people a mandate to punch down rather than up when looking for who to blame. In terms of foreign policy he actually seems somewhat less hawkish than a lot of other prominent American politicians. A weird attraction to or veneration of autocrats and dictators certainly but in other ways he seems to hark back to the more isolationist America first politicians of the pre war years rather than the modern day world police.

A depressing result but then it was an even more depressing choice to begin with. Outargeous right wing populist v bland centre right continuation candidate. Hail to the new chief, same as the old one.

[Stairway 2 7]

I don’t think her gender was the issue. Inflation and immigration were the problem.


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They were definitely the two biggest factors. How does any incumbent win after years of huge inflation, near 10% in the US. Years of being financially worse off and prices going through the roof in shops, then the incumbent says have another four years of what you've had. Immigration too which will also be one of the biggest problems for Western governments going forward. They reckon 3 million tried to cross the Mexican border last year with 1 million making it to settle in America, it was a big issue for Americans.

Depressing stuff seeing that idiot for the next 5 years if he survives

[Ozyhibby]

The signs were all there and I don't think Harris was ever a serious contender, the fact he has won the popular vote as well is quite telling. The economy is nearly always the most important factor in how people vote, to say people are stupid because they voted to make the economy better is just looking for a simple answer to a complex problem, in some ways the exact thing Trump has done.

I agree. I see no sense in blaming the American people. The Dems have taken their eye off the ball and it’s on them.


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[Ozyhibby]

They were definitely the two biggest factors. How does any incumbent win after years of huge inflation, near 10% in the US. Years of being financially worse off and prices going through the roof in shops, then the incumbent says have another four years of what you've had. Immigration too which will also be one of the biggest problems for Western governments going forward. They reckon 3 million tried to cross the Mexican border last year with 1 million making it to settle in America, it was a big issue for Americans.

Depressing stuff seeing that idiot for the next 5 years if he survives

Has any incumbent survived yet?


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[J-C]

So the mad tango man is getting in again, the world is gonna be ****ed.

[Stairway 2 7]

Has any incumbent survived yet?


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Macron but he basically lost but won a coalition, dozens or so major defeats of the top of my head, Germany and Canada will be next

[Jones28]

The Republicans are also going to take control of the senate meaning all his bonkers ideas will get a free ride.

[Ozyhibby]

Macron but he basically lost but won a coalition, dozens or so major defeats of the top of my head, Germany and Canada will be next

And Scotland. Wales might buck the trend but nothing seems to ever change there.


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[Ozyhibby]

The Republicans are also going to take control of the senate meaning all his bonkers ideas will get a free ride.

Only saving grace is he doesn’t seem to get mich done. He had control of House and Senate first two years last time and achieved nothing. No bills passed.
I expect the ideas will be madder this time right enough and there will be less people holding them back. Americans might have to take the time to actually read Project 2025.


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[Jones28]

There are not enough adjectives to express how I feel just now.
I think the people in the USA who voted for him today will be looking back in a years time and questioning what drove them to vote for Trump.
I am depressed at how depressed I feel over this. I live in Australia, why should I care a toss about how these crazy yanks have voted. But I have a modicum of intelligence to understand the impact this will have on our life over the next 4 years.
What a screwed up world we life in.

I'm not convinced people will look back with any remorse.

Trump has popularised all the toxic traits that has him appealing to so many people.

Shame and regret have been replaced with "**** you, I do what I want", and thats all fair and well in a normal society. America is not one of these.

Their grandchildren may wonder WTF were you thinking, but who knows? By then the country will be so polarised and the views that historically were at the very least held in secret will be out in the open.

One such instance from this election was the boat with the Trump and Nazi flags on it. Even 20 years ago these wouldn't have been seen, and the views and flags would be reserved for private nut job meetings, now they're loud and proud.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm not convinced people will look back with any remorse.

Trump has popularised all the toxic traits that has him appealing to so many people.

Shame and regret have been replaced with "**** you, I do what I want", and thats all fair and well in a normal society. America is not one of these.

Their grandchildren may wonder WTF were you thinking, but who knows? By then the country will be so polarised and the views that historically were at the very least held in secret will be out in the open.

One such instance from this election was the boat with the Trump and Nazi flags on it. Even 20 years ago these wouldn't have been seen, and the views and flags would be reserved for private nut job meetings, now they're loud and proud.

They are well placed to follow the nazi playbook now. There won’t be a lot stopping them. Will be an interesting watch if nothing else.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Only saving grace is he doesn’t seem to get mich done. He had control of House and Senate first two years last time and achieved nothing. No bills passed.
I expect the ideas will be madder this time right enough and there will be less people holding them back. Americans might have to take the time to actually read Project 2025.


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That's it, he did nothing last time. With him and Musk being tied to the markets they won't do anything shocking although they said they would to get power. He will pardon himself though surely and fill the supreme court

[Sylar]

I'm meant to be giving a lecture this morning on international climate policy. I might as well rip it up and take the students to the pub...

Guess it's time to change the name of the thread again.

What a calamitous start to the day.

[nonshinyfinish]

The Republicans are also going to take control of the senate meaning all his bonkers ideas will get a free ride.

The senate, yes, but it also depends what happens with the House of Reps – by my count if every remaining race is won by the current leader then the Republicans would end up with a tiny majority, but it appears close enough that it could still go either way.

[Ozyhibby]

That's it, he did nothing last time. With him and Musk being tied to the markets they won't do anything shocking although they said they would to get power. He will pardon himself though surely and fill the supreme court

How easy is it for him to lift all the sanctions on Russia? I can see that happening.
I’m sure he said he’d end the war this week before he was even inaugurated?


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[Bristolhibby]

Someone needs to change the thread title.

Let's see what the next 4 years of chaos brings us. If we all survive that long.

This thread has been going for over 4 years. And we are right back to square 1.

All the rape convictions, insurrections, lies and downright awfulness and here we are.

J

[Bristolhibby]

Has any incumbent survived yet?


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No - 55%
Yes - 45%

2014

[Paul1642]

Trump never won this election, the Democrats lost it by making the same stupid mistakes as 2016 and expecting different results.

Countless celebrity endorsements when the average American doesn’t give a crap what they think, creating a narrative that people with concerns about immigration and “woke agendas” are racist and bigoted. Maybe in some cases they are those things but when give or take 50%+ of the population share these concerns you can’t act like that.

Furthermore they put Biden forward as their candidate, surely knowing full well his health had deteriorated to a point where he couldn’t lead and parachuted Harris in. She was the vice president for a very tough economic time for many Americans yet failed to acknowledge this or focus her campaign on the economy, which as a few have already said, is your average punters biggest or even only concern.

I don’t blame them at all for not electing her, it’s just really sad that Trump was the alternative.

I said it a week or so ago but the death of statesmanship is really sad to see. Looking at other recent elections both the winner and runner up were good candidates. The previous presidents, plus the runners up, Bob Dole, Al Gore, John Kerry, John McCain, Mitt Romney, all better candidates than what have been on offer on both sides 2016

[Moulin Yarns]

CBS saying nevada is leaning towards trump, that takes him over the line. How depressing.

[Paul1642]

It also looks like Trump is going to win the popular vote. I thought he might win the election but I never expected him get the popular vote. Mental.

[Hibrandenburg]

The signs were all there and I don't think Harris was ever a serious contender, the fact he has won the popular vote as well is quite telling. The economy is nearly always the most important factor in how people vote, to say people are stupid because they voted to make the economy better is just looking for a simple answer to a complex problem, in some ways the exact thing Trump has done.

People are not stupid for voting to make the economy better, they're stupid for thinking Trump will do that. Tearing up trade deals, applying tariffs on imports and building walls has proven to be counterproductive in the past, why should it be any different this time round?

[Paulie Walnuts]

It also looks like Trump is going to win the popular vote. I thought he might win the election but I never expected him get the popular vote. Mental.

It’s a fairly emphatic victory for him. :agree:

I never had much doubt he would win and I’m surprised so many were convinced Harris would, I didn’t expect it to be as emphatic as it appears it’s going to be though.

Americans were left with two really poor choices imo.

[Jones28]

The positive spin would be that at least there wont be any Trump-sponsored terrorism.

[grunt]

The positive spin would be that at least there wont be any Trump-sponsored terrorism.
There will be, it'll just have the full force of the US authorities behind it. Wait and see.

[Moulin Yarns]

Trump wins Wisconsin - and with it the US electionpublished at 10:33

10:33BREAKING

CBS, the BBC's US partner, is projecting that another swing state has gone to Donald Trump - Wisconsin - meaning he has 276 electoral college votes, more than the 270 needed to win the overall race.

As a result,*Trump is now projected to have won the presidency*and will re-enter the White House as America's 47th president.

[Smartie]

Trump never won this election, the Democrats lost it by making the same stupid mistakes as 2016 and expecting different results.

Countless celebrity endorsements when the average American doesn’t give a crap what they think, creating a narrative that people with concerns about immigration and “woke agendas” are racist and bigoted. Maybe in some cases they are those things but when give or take 50%+ of the population share these concerns you can’t act like that.

Furthermore they put Biden forward as their candidate, surely knowing full well his health had deteriorated to a point where he couldn’t lead and parachuted Harris in. She was the vice president for a very tough economic time for many Americans yet failed to acknowledge this or focus her campaign on the economy, which as a few have already said, is your average punters biggest or even only concern.

I don’t blame them at all for not electing her, it’s just really sad that Trump was the alternative.

I said it a week or so ago but the death of statesmanship is really sad to see. Looking at other recent elections both the winner and runner up were good candidates. The previous presidents, plus the runners up, Bob Dole, Al Gore, John Kerry, John McCain, Mitt Romney, all better candidates than what have been on offer on both sides 2016

It's interesting seeing auditoriums full of cheering maniacs in favour of both sides.

Pretty much every American I've met for the past few years has been fairly aghast at the choice that was looking to await them, especially when it looked like it was going to be Biden or Trump again.

They need to get their act together. For all their problems, I still think of America as being great rather than needing to be great again and you'd think that a nation of 320 million or so could do much better to put up credible candidates than they have of late.

[Jones28]

There it is, Trump is the 47th president.

[Paul1642]

Harris will surely concede soon.

Very poor from her not to take the stage at her “victory party” last night onece the result was looking unpromising. Folk have campaigned for you and traveled to see the result come in. At least take the stage for a minute to thank them.

[pollution]

Who would have thought that a criminal could be the president of the US ?

With more serious charges to come. Truly the land of opportunity.

[jamie_1875]

People are not stupid for voting to make the economy better, they're stupid for thinking Trump will do that. Tearing up trade deals, applying tariffs on imports and building walls has proven to be counterproductive in the past, why should it be any different this time round?

Dow Jones futures up over 1,000 points and heading to record high. Anyone with a 401K plan in the US will be richer. There are about 70M 401Ks held by US citizens.

[Bishop Hibee]

It’s US foreign and economic policy that directly affects the U.K. The EU will get hammered with tariffs. It’s up to Starmer to woo the Trumpians otherwise we are truly stuffed outside both the EU and American markets.

As for Ukraine, Putin must be on the voddy after this result. Best hope is a ceasefire and a Korean/ Cypriot style de facto border. No chance the EU and U.K. will give enough funding to Ukraine to continue the war. A 180° from Trump is also possible I suppose. He’s unpredictable.

[H18S NX]

Americans get what they deserve,Trump will be on the phone with his fellow dictators Putin and Kim jong un,the world is in a darker place today.

[Mon Dieu4]

Who would have thought that a criminal could be the president of the US ?

With more serious charges to come. Truly the land of opportunity.

Not any more, he's now in charge of the DOJ he will put his own folk in that will drop them and the others will be halted til he is no longer president

[AgentDaleCooper]

Americans get what they deserve,Trump will be on the phone with his fellow dictators Putin and Kim jong un,the world is in a darker place today.

i think reducing this to nationhood is a big mistake. this is a wave that has emerged from capitalistic greed and liberal hubris, and it will be here soon (if it isn't already). i know loads of people here in Scotland that in the past would have never voted Tory, who are actually happy to see Trump win...not just happy but gloating.

The problem IMO is simply that liberal democracy is incapable of compartmentalising its problems anymore. it's socialism or barbarism now, but socialism needs to re-invent itself into something inclusive and not elitist and authoritarian. Yanis Varoufakis (the former Greek finance minister) is the only person I've come across who seems to have any solutions, and i'd definitely recommend his books to anyone (the latest one, 'Technofeudalism', is worth a read - would also recommend his series 'In the Eye of the Storm').

[lapsedhibee]

Not any more, he's now in charge of the DOJ he will put his own folk in that will drop them and the others will be halted til he is no longer president
Hard to see bright sides this morning, but I think he is due to be sentenced for one of his convictions now that the election is over. Judge delayed it purely on basis it might interfere with the electoral process. Not sure how that gets scrapped.

[cabbageandribs1875]

president JD Vance on the Horizon


what have the Americans just done :(

[jacomo]

There it is, Trump is the 47th president.


Bill Foley will be delighted.

:rolleyes:

[H18S NX]

president JD Vance on the Horizon


what have the Americans just done :(....Forgot about that Tw@t.
'

[Bishop Hibee]

Bill Foley will be delighted.

:rolleyes:

As will all billionaires which says it all really.

[Ozyhibby]

Not any more, he's now in charge of the DOJ he will put his own folk in that will drop them and the others will be halted til he is no longer president

He can pardon himself anyway. He has full immunity to act how he pleases.


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[jacomo]

Hard to see bright sides this morning, but I think he is due to be sentenced for one of his convictions now that the election is over. Judge delayed it purely on basis it might interfere with the electoral process. Not sure how that gets scrapped.


All federal proceedings are over.

Theoretically state prosecutions can continue, but in reality state courts will crumble in a battle with a vengeful president elect. The Supreme Court has given him cover to pass any executive order he likes to bar future proceedings against him… and no doubt commit many more crimes.

This isn’t about left v right but the rule of law and democracy.

Trump’s false accusations about ‘weaponising the justice system’ will come true: he’ll be the one doing it.

[Coco Bryce]

The Dollar & Bitcoin will now surge after Trumps win.

[Keith_M]

Ahm in the huff with Ozy, he promised this wouldn't happen!

:rolleyes:

[Keith_M]

I'd be interested to know how large a part sexism and racism played in this.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a significant factor.

[Ozyhibby]

Ahm in the huff with Ozy, he promised this wouldn't happen!

:rolleyes:

You should never trust my judgement.[emoji51][emoji23]


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[Ozyhibby]

I'd be interested to know how large a part sexism and racism played in this.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a significant factor.

I really don’t think so. She underperformed with every single group. There wasn’t a single county in the whole US where she done better than Biden.


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[Jones28]

I really don’t think so. She underperformed with every single group. There wasn’t a single county in the whole US where she done better than Biden.


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Wow that’s a crazy stat.

You have to wonder what part her relatively late arrival had in that.

[Hiber-nation]

An old mate of mine is not long back from a holiday in Pennsylvania and he said it was always on the cards from what he saw and heard. His cousin kept talking about the new level of stupid across there. A Puerto Rican family in the next block with a MAGA flag flying, seemingly because of the price of gasoline... He had a great holiday but he said there was a ridiculous amount of halfwits with Trump t-shirts on everywhere they went and support was growing. And of course nobody rated Harris anyway.

[Jones28]

An old mate of mine is not long back from a holiday in Pennsylvania and he said it was always on the cards from what he saw and heard. His cousin kept talking about the new level of stupid across there. A Puerto Rican family in the next block with a MAGA flag flying, seemingly because of the price of gasoline... He had a great holiday but he said there was a ridiculous amount of halfwits with Trump t-shirts on everywhere they went and support was growing. And of course nobody rated Harris anyway.

This has been widely discussed on the radio this morning too. Emily Maitlis said it was one of her key takeaways when she visited the States over a year ago to gauge the opinions.

[lapsedhibee]

I'd be interested to know how large a part sexism and racism played in this.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a significant factor.

Definitely some sexism. People in the vox pops explaining how women aren't really cut out to be in charge. Got a whiff of nostalgia for ye olde days when Johann Lamont claimed that Scots aren't cut out to be in charge of their own affairs.

[Keith_M]

You should never trust my judgement.[emoji51][emoji23]


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From now on, I'll never believe a single thing you ever say

[lapsedhibee]

I'd be interested to know how large a part sexism and racism played in this.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a significant factor.


I really don’t think so. She underperformed with every single group. There wasn’t a single county in the whole US where she done better than Biden.


Joe Biden, the white male? :confused:

[Colr]

Justification for tyrannical leaders worldwide. Turkeys voting avidly for Christmas.

I think that was Erdogan.

[Bishop Hibee]

This has been widely discussed on the radio this morning too. Emily Maitlis said it was one of her key takeaways when she visited the States over a year ago to gauge the opinions.

I was surprised to see that it’s been creeping up nearer to U.K. prices. The yanks love their cars and combine that with man made global warming denial it’s more understandable how folk voted even though there’s no real excuse to vote fascist.

[lapsedhibee]

Gotta look for the positives. With or without the input of Musk's gigantic engineering brain, the possibility of time travel looms. Trump and Putin will already be carving up Europe between them. It can be like 1945 all over again.

[Hibrandenburg]

Dow Jones futures up over 1,000 points and heading to record high. Anyone with a 401K plan in the US will be richer. There are about 70M 401Ks held by US citizens.

Yes, I'm sure that'll all trickle down to the ordinary Joe on the streets.

[Stairway 2 7]

Joe Biden, the white male? :confused:

Obamas numbers blew Biden and Harris out the park. Trump did phenomenally with black voters yesterday and had the highest votes from Hispanic for any republican president

[danhibees1875]

What should this thread be titled now?

The once again (not soon enough to be former) president Donald Trump?

[jacomo]

I was surprised to see that it’s been creeping up nearer to U.K. prices. The yanks love their cars and combine that with man made global warming denial it’s more understandable how folk voted even though there’s no real excuse to vote fascist.


Gas and food prices have rocketed in America since the pandemic. This is what many Americans think of as ‘the economy’.

Biden did more to bring back manufacturing jobs and fix their creaking infrastructure than Trump ever did, but the Dems did an awful job of explaining their policies to the electorate.

The key problem is that low level wages have stagnated since Bill Clinton was in office, while most of the proceeds of growth have been grabbed by the very wealthy.

Yet America votes for billionaires. Go figure.

[Stairway 2 7]

Average mean household income after bills grew 8.3% under Trump and 1.4% under Biden, yes outwith there control but people don't think of that. Massive inflation particularly around fuel and food. A large rise in immigration, Dems had no chance

[Sergio sledge]

What should this thread be titled now?

The once again (not soon enough to be former) president Donald Trump?

Just re-arrange the title from:

(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

to:

Former (Soon to be) President Donald Trump

[speedy_gonzales]

Definitely some sexism. People in the vox pops explaining how women aren't really cut out to be in charge. Got a whiff of nostalgia for ye olde days when Johann Lamont claimed that Scots aren't cut out to be in charge of their own affairs.
Albeit that's not exactly what she said. Hate to go off thread but the actual quote was "we're not genetically programmed in Scotland to make political decisions" and what she meant by that is Scots aren't programmed but rather have free will when presented with political choice.

[Ozyhibby]

Albeit that's not exactly what she said. Hate to go off thread but the actual quote was "we're not genetically programmed in Scotland to make political decisions" and what she meant by that is Scots aren't programmed but rather have free will when presented with political choice.

That’s doesn’t really make it sound any better?[emoji2369]


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[s.a.m]

Obamas numbers blew Biden and Harris out the park. Trump did phenomenally with black voters yesterday and had the highest votes from Hispanic for any republican president

20% of black men, and 8% black women. He won white people and latinos, but I'm not sure I'd be calling his performance amongst black people phenomenal.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-president-project-2025_n_6725104ae4b00acf55d9c521

Article on what to expect from project 2025.


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[J-C]

I'd be interested to know how large a part sexism and racism played in this.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a significant factor.

America is a white male dominated country, this result is not surprising.

[K-Zazu]

Has Kamala been seen yet?

[Hibrandenburg]

I really don’t think so. She underperformed with every single group. There wasn’t a single county in the whole US where she done better than Biden.


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Doesn't that imply that sexism and racism are involved, Biden is male and white.

[Ozyhibby]

Doesn't that imply that sexism and racism are involved, Biden is male and white.

She did worse among black voters than Biden though?


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[Berwickhibby]

Doesn't that imply that sexism and racism are involved, Biden is male and white.

Is this not just grasping at straws, Trump is not who I hoped would be elected, but it was a fair democratic choice by the citizens of America.

[jamie_1875]

Yes, I'm sure that'll all trickle down to the ordinary Joe on the streets.

It does if they are invested in the market via their 401K. There is around $7 trillion invested via 401Ks, they all got richer today assuming the markets stay higher.

[Hibrandenburg]

Is this not just grasping at straws, Trump is not who I hoped would be elected, but it was a fair democratic choice by the citizens of America.

Eh, nobody is disputing the results and organisation of the election, simply questioning the motivation of some of the electorate. Do you think racism and sexism are fair democratic choices?

[Hibrandenburg]

She did worse among black voters than Biden though?


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Who are also capable of being sexist and racist for that.

[Hibrandenburg]

It does if they are invested in the market via their 401K. There is around $7 trillion invested via 401Ks, they all got richer today assuming the markets stay higher.

All great for those invested, but the market can go both ways, how the market reacts day one after an election is hardly a trend and certainly no guarantee of brighter prospects if Trump implements isolationism.

[Moulin Yarns]

All great for those invested, but the market can go both ways, how the market reacts day one after an election is hardly a trend and certainly no guarantee of brighter prospects if Trump implements isolationism.

I'm not an expert so know nothing about this, only that ftsi is down today.

[wookie70]

Is this not just grasping at straws, Trump is not who I hoped would be elected, but it was a fair democratic choice by the citizens of America.

It was but democracy relies on truth and a decent media in many regards. Lies are now completely ignored and form entire campaigns. So like Brexit I'm not sure if we will ever see what I would view as a democratic election again. Democracy should be about one idea against others with the most popular platform of policies and ideas forming a commitment to the people who vote for them. We are miles away from that both here and in the USA where it is essentially a who can sling the most mud contest and who has control of social media to make it stick. We will continue to get worst humans winning elections as that and cash are simply the qualities required to win. Not sure that can last too long as Capitalism will eventually eat itself or Nature will become the most dominant force and democracy will be the least of our worries

[JimBHibees]

It was but democracy relies on truth and a decent media in many regards. Lies are now completely ignored and form entire campaigns. So like Brexit I'm not sure if we will ever see what I would view as a democratic election again. Democracy should be about one idea against others with the most popular platform of policies and ideas forming a commitment to the people who vote for them. We are miles away from that both here and in the USA where it is essentially a who can sling the most mud contest and who has control of social media to make it stick. We will continue to get worst humans winning elections as that and cash are simply the qualities required to win. Not sure that can last too long as Capitalism will eventually eat itself or Nature will become the most dominant force and democracy will be the least of our worries

Totally agree

[Paul1642]

I'd be interested to know how large a part sexism and racism played in this.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a significant factor.

Could that cut both ways? Harris took 92% of votes by black woman. Were all 92% voting for her policies? Doubt it.

[Berwickhibby]

Eh, nobody is disputing the results and organisation of the election, simply questioning the motivation of some of the electorate. Do you think racism and sexism are fair democratic choices?

It appears you are insinuating that Harris lost the election due to racism and sexism, from the few yanks I know who voted for Trump it was on his economic and immigrant policies. I would also like to point out Trump is a person of colour…unfortunately it’s orange :greengrin:greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

20% of black men, and 8% black women. He won white people and latinos, but I'm not sure I'd be calling his performance amongst black people phenomenal.

Obviously i mean relatively. Phenomenal for a Rep and someonewho hasn't had a chance with the black vote. He had 13% of Black voters nationally and 45% of Latino voters. In 2020 he got 8% of Black voters and 32% of Latinos. That's a massive shift in 4 years. Black votes are seen as solid for Dems so it was surprising to see he gained so much and against a black opponent. The massive Hispanic vote seems crazy but generally they are very conservative as a group

[Jim44]

Obviously i mean relatively. Phenomenal for a Rep and someonewho hasn't had a chance with the black vote. He had 13% of Black voters nationally and 45% of Latino voters. In 2020 he got 8% of Black voters and 32% of Latinos. That's a massive shift in 4 years. Black votes are seen as solid for Dems so it was surprising to see he gained so much and against a black opponent. The massive Hispanic vote seems crazy but generally they are very conservative as a group

I’m not disputing these figures but how do they calculate the % numbers of different demographics voting for particular candidates?

[Stairway 2 7]

I’m not disputing these figures but how do they calculate the % numbers of different demographics voting for particular candidates?

No idea actually. I wonder if it's from polls but the paper's are quoting them as fact not a poll estimate

[Ozyhibby]

No idea actually. I wonder if it's from polls but the paper's are quoting them as fact not a poll estimate

I guess it will be a mixture of exit polls and looking at the demographics of certain areas etc.


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[Bristolhibby]

Hard to see bright sides this morning, but I think he is due to be sentenced for one of his convictions now that the election is over. Judge delayed it purely on basis it might interfere with the electoral process. Not sure how that gets scrapped.

Slap on the wrists and no custodial sentence as he’s old and a first time offender.

J

[Bostonhibby]

Slap on the wrists and no custodial sentence as he’s old and a first time offender.

JShould be okay if he tries the insanity defence.

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[Bristolhibby]

It was but democracy relies on truth and a decent media in many regards. Lies are now completely ignored and form entire campaigns. So like Brexit I'm not sure if we will ever see what I would view as a democratic election again. Democracy should be about one idea against others with the most popular platform of policies and ideas forming a commitment to the people who vote for them. We are miles away from that both here and in the USA where it is essentially a who can sling the most mud contest and who has control of social media to make it stick. We will continue to get worst humans winning elections as that and cash are simply the qualities required to win. Not sure that can last too long as Capitalism will eventually eat itself or Nature will become the most dominant force and democracy will be the least of our worries

Also who can communicate and resonate with the electorate more effectively.

We are in a post truth world. Will likely be decided by who has more TikTok followers in future campaigns. Next cycle in the U.K. my 16 and 13 year old sons will be able to vote. They consume media in a totally different way to me.

Long form messaging is dead. Get your word out and make it snappy.

J

[Bristolhibby]

Obviously i mean relatively. Phenomenal for a Rep and someonewho hasn't had a chance with the black vote. He had 13% of Black voters nationally and 45% of Latino voters. In 2020 he got 8% of Black voters and 32% of Latinos. That's a massive shift in 4 years. Black votes are seen as solid for Dems so it was surprising to see he gained so much and against a black opponent. The massive Hispanic vote seems crazy but generally they are very conservative as a group

I don’t think we can ever look at blocs again. People are less loyal to party and easily sold quick fixes.

Eventually those fixes won’t materialise and then we are in real trouble.

That and the impending climate disaster (of which Trump doesn’t believe in).

Make money while the sun shines, fock your grandkids.

J

[Colr]

Are the Democrats the Hibs of American politics?

[Jim44]

We can’t dispute Tango man’s victory and the grip he has over the majority of crazy Americans. But, despite the fact that, for the next four years at least, he will never be prosecuted for his many other crimes, and will pardon himself for the ones he has been found guilty of, he is and always will be an unrepentant, convicted criminal. For what it’s worth, I would like to think the rest of the world leaders would treat him as a dispicable pariah and let him know it. But they won’t and it’s clear already that they are going to lick his arse for the foreseeable future.

[Bristolhibby]

We can’t dispute Tango man’s victory and the grip he has over the majority of crazy Americans. But, despite the fact that, for the next four years at least, he will never be prosecuted for his many other crimes, and will pardon himself for the ones he has been found guilty of, he is and always will be an unrepentant, convicted criminal. For what it’s worth, I would like to think the rest of the world leaders would treat him as a dispicable pariah and let him know it. But they won’t and it’s clear already that they are going to lick his arse for the foreseeable future.

They have to lick arse. He’s the leader of the West and is a vindictive MF who holds a grudge.

For the benefit of their countries, they have to.

See Kier Starmer.

Expect Trump to be invited over, full state visit, meet the King and speak to Parliament. (Like Obama did).

J

[Hibrandenburg]

It appears you are insinuating that Harris lost the election due to racism and sexism, from the few yanks I know who voted for Trump it was on his economic and immigrant policies. I would also like to point out Trump is a person of colour…unfortunately it’s orange :greengrin:greengrin

I'm nothing of the kind, I'm saying sexism and racism will have been the reason why some voted against Harris. You'd be mad to believe otherwise. I guess recognising misogyny and racism might not be a strong point amongst London's finest. :wink:

[Stairway 2 7]

Sort of related with the rise of populism but I think people are nieve if they think Reform don't keep growing in Scotland, Reform and Tories now make up 29% in Scotland


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New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Norstat 30 Oct - 1 Nov (changes vs 20-22 Aug):

SNP ~ 30% (+1)
Lab ~ 23% (-9)
Con ~ 15% (+3)
RUK ~ 14% (+2)
LD ~ 10% (+2)
Grn ~ 6% (+1)
Alba ~ 1% (-1)

[lapsedhibee]

Albeit that's not exactly what she said. Hate to go off thread but the actual quote was "we're not genetically programmed in Scotland to make political decisions" and what she meant by that is Scots aren't programmed but rather have free will when presented with political choice.
See what you mean, but that interpretation seems a bit of a stretch! I've only seen a fairly short extract of what she said though.

[McD]

Also who can communicate and resonate with the electorate more effectively.

We are in a post truth world. Will likely be decided by who has more TikTok followers in future campaigns. Next cycle in the U.K. my 16 and 13 year old sons will be able to vote. They consume media in a totally different way to me.

Long form messaging is dead. Get your word out and make it snappy.

J


I agree

I don’t mean this to sound (too) harsh, but there are a proportion of the population who either don’t want to or are unable to look in the detail of campaigns and manifestos, and get hung up on the short slogans (get brexit done, make America great again, etc), and get swallowed up by the ever increasingly biased media, which parrots untruths to suit the candidate/party they’re supporting, so you get things like the Labour Party getting pilloried for accepting gifts whilst heehaw was said when the tories were in power and doing far worse. The same happens in the states, utter nonsense gets spouted by media and public figures, and people just accept it as truth, even when logic would quickly lead you to see it’s not factual.


There’s also the desire to associate one’s self with people who are perceived as winners - trump tells the world repeatedly that he’s had the biggest bestest superest amazingest rallies/bills passed/golf courses/hotels/government etc, and even though it’s demonstrably untrue, folk accept it because he talks with conviction (with forked tongue!) about how successful he is. He stands in front of the press and in courts and just says whatever suits his agenda at that moment, and he’s never challenged. So it’s taken as gospel by the people who will end up voting for him.

[AgentDaleCooper]

Sort of related with the rise of populism but I think people are nieve if they think Reform don't keep growing in Scotland, Reform and Tories now make up 29% in Scotland


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New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Norstat 30 Oct - 1 Nov (changes vs 20-22 Aug):

SNP ~ 30% (+1)
Lab ~ 23% (-9)
Con ~ 15% (+3)
RUK ~ 14% (+2)
LD ~ 10% (+2)
Grn ~ 6% (+1)
Alba ~ 1% (-1)

Can definitely see them having seats at our next scottish election. Hopefully some indy dentiment wards some people away from them but i doubt it when people are so disaffected.

[lapsedhibee]

Also who can communicate and resonate with the electorate more effectively.

We are in a post truth world. Will likely be decided by who has more TikTok followers in future campaigns. Next cycle in the U.K. my 16 and 13 year old sons will be able to vote. They consume media in a totally different way to me.

Long form messaging is dead. Get your word out and make it snappy.

J

Another wee glimmer of hope. UK politics 2016-2024 has been completely dominated by three word slogans, but Trump wins by a four word slogan. Long form messaging is on the way back!

[Mon Dieu4]

One promise I hope he keeps is to release all the JFK files, he shat it last time

[Pretty Boy]

Sort of related with the rise of populism but I think people are nieve if they think Reform don't keep growing in Scotland, Reform and Tories now make up 29% in Scotland


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New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Norstat 30 Oct - 1 Nov (changes vs 20-22 Aug):

SNP ~ 30% (+1)
Lab ~ 23% (-9)
Con ~ 15% (+3)
RUK ~ 14% (+2)
LD ~ 10% (+2)
Grn ~ 6% (+1)
Alba ~ 1% (-1)

I think people are often blinded by what they want to happen or to be the case. That and the ability presented by new media to surround oneself only with commentators and analysts who affirm rather than challenge a world view.

There is a sizable support for right wing populism in Scotland, same as there is in much of the west. Anyone denying it is either not looking hard enough or denying what they see.

[Bristolhibby]

I think people are often blinded by what they want to happen or to be the case. That and the ability presented by new media to surround oneself only with commentators and analysts who affirm rather than challenge a world view.

There is a sizable support for right wing populism in Scotland, same as there is in much of the west. Anyone denying it is either not looking hard enough or denying what they see.

What I don’t get is where are the right wing Scottish Nationalists? Surely that’s the next step for some of them?

Why in Scotland does the right wing effectively mean unionist?

If the desire is to tear things down and disrupt the ruling class, surely the most disruptive thing to do is to break up the U.K.?

And just to play the what if further, would the current Yes movement be happy to get into bed with an Ethnonationalist right wing Scottish independence party. (I may have just made up this party).

J

[Pretty Boy]

What I don’t get is where are the right wing Scottish Nationalists? Surely that’s the next step for some of them?

Why in Scotland does the right wing effectively mean unionist?

If the desire is to tear things down and disrupt the ruling class, surely the most disruptive thing to do is to break up the U.K.?

And just to play the what if further, would the current Yes movement be happy to get into bed with an Ethnonationalist right wing Scottish independence party. (I may have just made up this party).

J

I know plenty independence supporters I would class as right wing, particularly in their social views. Whether there is enough country wide to make any significant mark electorally is another debate.

I think it's worthy of mention that a lot of dissent against the SNP and indeed slow haemorrhage of support from their own voter base started as they embraced some social policy that may have been seen as influenced by the Greens and thus a bit more radical than many wanted/anticipated.

[Keith_M]

I'm not an expert so know nothing about this, only that ftsi is down today.


As is the DAX in Germany.

I think there's a widely spread worry about what happens next.

[Stairway 2 7]

What I don’t get is where are the right wing Scottish Nationalists? Surely that’s the next step for some of them?

Why in Scotland does the right wing effectively mean unionist?

If the desire is to tear things down and disrupt the ruling class, surely the most disruptive thing to do is to break up the U.K.?

And just to play the what if further, would the current Yes movement be happy to get into bed with an Ethnonationalist right wing Scottish independence party. (I may have just made up this party).

J

I don't think it does just mean unionist. Reform will gain votes from all demographics. Immigration will become an issue in Scotland with our huge net migration figures now, lack of housing, slow rise in household disposable income it's all fertile ground for the right.

[Smartie]

One promise I hope he keeps is to release all the JFK files, he shat it last time

In amongst all the horrible stuff, that's the only thing I think he's said that I find interesting and quite exciting rather than ominous.

[babahibs]

One promise I hope he keeps is to release all the JFK files, he shat it last time

Nobody noticed, he had his nappy on.

[lapsedhibee]

Has Kamala been seen yet?
Hasn't Trump more or less vowed to exact revenge on his political opponents? Not surprising if she feels like staying out of the firing line.

[grunt]

Thought this was an interesting insight from David A Green

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbssRzmXoAgVh2Y?format=png&name=900x900

[Bristolhibby]

Thought this was an interesting insight from David A Green

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbssRzmXoAgVh2Y?format=png&name=900x900

Thing is, the lying was what killed Johnson in the UK.

His popularity tanked. The Tories culled him in an effort not to be wiped out.

I’m not sure we are there yet, (but we are heading that way).

Post truth, control the narrative. Move on from lies, deny everything admit nothing.

I guess it’s the type of lie. The parties at Downing Street while the Queen buried her husband sat alone really got to the public. Especially when you factor that this happened all over the country. I didn’t see my Mum & Dad for months on end. The hypocrisy holed him below the waterline.

Trump never really cared about COVID so how can it hurt him?

Same with Black lives, Trans rights, etc. He doesn’t care, so is impenetrable to its blowback. Remember when he battered that crowd then posed outside a church with a Bible in his hand. Pure theatre which appealed to his base.

Whereas the Sarah Everad protests and cops arresting peaceful woman were terrible optics for the Tories.

Like I said, we aren’t quite there yet.

J

[Northernhibee]

https://youtu.be/x0eq7VNCcYY?si=rpjZsu8U3P471NJQ

This is about spot on.

[Ozyhibby]

Thing is, the lying was what killed Johnson in the UK.

His popularity tanked. The Tories culled him in an effort not to be wiped out.

I’m not sure we are there yet, (but we are heading that way).

Post truth, control the narrative. Move on from lies, deny everything admit nothing.

I guess it’s the type of lie. The parties at Downing Street while the Queen buried her husband sat alone really got to the public. Especially when you factor that this happened all over the country. I didn’t see my Mum & Dad for months on end. The hypocrisy holed him below the waterline.

Trump never really cared about COVID so how can it hurt him?

Same with Black lives, Trans rights, etc. He doesn’t care, so is impenetrable to its blowback. Remember when he battered that crowd then posed outside a church with a Bible in his hand. Pure theatre which appealed to his base.

Whereas the Sarah Everad protests and cops arresting peaceful woman were terrible optics for the Tories.

Like I said, we aren’t quite there yet.

J

Imagine the battering the Gaza protesters are going to get after January.[emoji22]


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/postcardstopa/status/1854372473262809172?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

The scale of Harris defeat here.
Dems need a lot of soul searching after this.


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[Mon Dieu4]

https://x.com/postcardstopa/status/1854372473262809172?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

The scale of Harris defeat here.
Dems need a lot of soul searching after this.


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Easiest way to look at it is they are the Labour Party in Scotland over the last 15 years, took everyone for granted, thought certain demographics would automatically vote for them and forgot the working class

They have no one to blame but themselves and need a total reset if they are clever, they probably won't though

[Berwickhibby]

I'm nothing of the kind, I'm saying sexism and racism will have been the reason why some voted against Harris. You'd be mad to believe otherwise. I guess recognising misogyny and racism might not be a strong point amongst London's finest. :wink:

You guessed wrong …but again a snide dig…your ignorance knows no bounds

[Stairway 2 7]

The main reason the Dems got beat, they were the incumbents. People hate inflation. Post covid inflation made everyone's life worse whilst the incumbents were in power, no wonder people wanted change. Every incumbent party facing an election in a democratic country lost vote share this year, that's the first time since post WW2.

https://archive.is/5yM7S

Democrats join 2024’s graveyard of incumbents
Governments across the world are struggling in this period of economic and geopolitical turmoil

John Burn-Murdoch

[Smartie]

The main reason the Dems got beat, they were the incumbents. People hate inflation. Post covid inflation made everyone's life worse whilst the incumbents were in power, no wonder people wanted change. Every incumbent party facing an election in a democratic country lost vote share this year, that's the first time since post WW2.

https://archive.is/5yM7S

Democrats join 2024’s graveyard of incumbents
Governments across the world are struggling in this period of economic and geopolitical turmoil

John Burn-Murdoch

I couldn't agree more with this.

Those seeking to "learn lessons" would do well to take heed.

[Ozyhibby]

The main reason the Dems got beat, they were the incumbents. People hate inflation. Post covid inflation made everyone's life worse whilst the incumbents were in power, no wonder people wanted change. Every incumbent party facing an election in a democratic country lost vote share this year, that's the first time since post WW2.

https://archive.is/5yM7S

Democrats join 2024’s graveyard of incumbents
Governments across the world are struggling in this period of economic and geopolitical turmoil

John Burn-Murdoch

Don’t think immigration can be separated here though. Every one of those countries where incumbents got beat had record high immigration as well. The two together are a toxic mix. Especially if it’s perceived the govt has lost control or doesn’t want to control it.


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[Paul1642]

The main reason the Dems got beat, they were the incumbents. People hate inflation. Post covid inflation made everyone's life worse whilst the incumbents were in power, no wonder people wanted change. Every incumbent party facing an election in a democratic country lost vote share this year, that's the first time since post WW2.

https://archive.is/5yM7S

Democrats join 2024’s graveyard of incumbents
Governments across the world are struggling in this period of economic and geopolitical turmoil

John Burn-Murdoch

If the dems listen to this and decide they only lost because they were the incumbent, and decide to continue on the same path, they can look forward to losing the next election too. They lost because they showed complete contempt to over half the electorate.

[Stairway 2 7]

If the dems listen to this and decide they only lost because they were the incumbent, and decide to continue on the same path, they can look forward to losing the next election too. They lost because they showed complete contempt to over half the electorate.

Disagree. The main factor was inflation. The economy is always head and shoulders above other factors and miles away from culture wars and foreign policy ect. Obviously other factors contributed but it was the main one

A correction to when I said this was the biggest swing against incumbents since the war it's actually the biggest since record's began in 1905. Obviously that isn't a coincidence as parties lost on many different policies. The right actually lost more than the left in the dozens of nations studied including the uk with the 20 point swing. Things will be tough for a few years to come so the newcomers might not seem like change.

Germany and Canada next for the incumbent losses

[Jim44]

The next few years with ‘loose cannon’ is a major danger to world peace and his controversial appointments will be well outside the box. I give you Elon Musk, who will feather his own nest at every opportunity and, very worryingly, RF Kennedy Jnr. , who “ will be let loose on health, medicine and food, “. I believe he previously said he would let Kennedy have some fun!!!!. Imminent doctors and health experts say that this black sheep of the Kennedy dynasty is a threat to public health. Trump is a mentally deranged psychopath.

[Jim44]

Bit on the news tonight of a meeting of world leaders in Budapest. That’s ironic as Viktor Orban is an arse licker of Trump and Putin.

[Callum_62]

I'm gonna take the OzyHibby positivity pills and think it won't be as bad as we all fear

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[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/465846368_1103676267843404_1870061711719954542_n.j pg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=SB_RpXNbN6EQ7kNvgEk3_xq&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&_nc_gid=A3qwJe6aO5M6d0MLLLIdMDj&oh=00_AYC6RX-Ezg-GcrX9p0D1JX1jNqu1u3vxAC5g3Fcb_OdfkQ&oe=6732DA5B

[Jim44]

I'm gonna take the OzyHibby positivity pills and think it won't be as bad as we all fear

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You lost me at ‘Ozyhibby positivity’ :greengrin ……. I think he ran a good race but the party’s over. The next four years will be bat **** crazy.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm gonna take the OzyHibby positivity pills and think it won't be as bad as we all fear

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It’s a wait and see I guess. I’m hoping that internationally he is constrained and all the real mad stuff happens domestically for the people who voted him in. That’s as positive as I can manage just now but that’s progress since yesterday.


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[Hibrandenburg]

You guessed wrong …but again a snide dig…your ignorance knows no bounds

One man's wee dig is another man's attempt at humour. I think the Met's failures on racism and misogyny are pretty well documented.

[Keith_M]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/465846368_1103676267843404_1870061711719954542_n.j pg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=SB_RpXNbN6EQ7kNvgEk3_xq&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&_nc_gid=A3qwJe6aO5M6d0MLLLIdMDj&oh=00_AYC6RX-Ezg-GcrX9p0D1JX1jNqu1u3vxAC5g3Fcb_OdfkQ&oe=6732DA5B


Don't tell me we're gonna be the next to be overrun by immigrants

:rolleyes:

[Berwickhibby]

One man's wee dig is another man's attempt at humour. I think the Met's failures on racism and misogyny are pretty well documented.

Well your attempt at humour, I did not appreciate and it’s not the first time have thrown snidey digs when I post stuff. I find it pathetic to be honest.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Don't tell me we're gonna be the next to be overrun by immigrants

:rolleyes:

y'all ready for an invasion of Dems/RepublicansagainstTrump/etc etc

[Hibrandenburg]

Well your attempt at humour, I did not appreciate and it’s not the first time have thrown snidey digs when I post stuff. I find it pathetic to be honest.

You're partial to a dig or joke yourself, let him without sin and awe that.

[Smartie]

Bit on the news tonight of a meeting of world leaders in Budapest. That’s ironic as Viktor Orban is an arse licker of Trump and Putin.

The short clip I saw had Starmer looking really quite laughy and jokey with Orban.

I guess that in between all the serious business, these folk will probably have small talk and "get on" to an extent on a personal level.

Just looked a bit weird though, given the Putin / Trump / Farage / Orban narrative.

[AgentDaleCooper]

the Vince McMahon documentary on Netflix gives a really fascinating insight into where Trump learned his trade in campaigning - just keep the emotions at boiling point and blur the boundaries between fact and 'hyperbole' and you can pretty much do and say anything you want, if you're enough of a b******.

I think one of the factors at play has been capitalism's blindspot - the idea that people are, in the main, rational. It's bizarre that economists have been running models based on such an assumption, since marketing and advertising generally seeks to exploit peoples' irrationality.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/ukdefjournal/status/1854555087512719868?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

A silver lining. Europe needs to grow up up its own defence.


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[overdrive]

the Vince McMahon documentary on Netflix gives a really fascinating insight into where Trump learned his trade in campaigning - just keep the emotions at boiling point and blur the boundaries between fact and 'hyperbole' and you can pretty much do and say anything you want, if you're enough of a b******.

I think one of the factors at play has been capitalism's blindspot - the idea that people are, in the main, rational. It's bizarre that economists have been running models based on such an assumption, since marketing and advertising generally seeks to exploit peoples' irrationality.

Yep and guess who is in charge of his transition team. Linda McMahon.

[AgentDaleCooper]

Yep and guess who is in charge of his transition team. Linda McMahon.

Joysus.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Scunnered, disgusted, angry. It’s incredible such a man could be elected president twice. What a shameful reflection upon America, a country of 330 million people and Donald Trump is who they come up with to twice be their president. Scary times, he has vowed to burn everything down, and that’s exactly what he will do, in addition to robbing the country blind. He currently has personal debts of around $2 billion; expect the country to pay that back. His criminal cases will magically disappear. It’s going to be even more crazy than his first term, at the end of which he tried to foment a coup. What a situation.

[Jones28]

Scunnered, disgusted, angry. It’s incredible such a man could be elected president twice. What a shameful reflection upon America, a country of 330 million people and Donald Trump is who they come up with to twice be their president. Scary times, he has vowed to burn everything down, and that’s exactly what he will do, in addition to robbing the country blind. He currently has personal debts of around $2 billion; expect the country to pay that back. His criminal cases will magically disappear. It’s going to be even more crazy than his first term, at the end of which he tried to foment a coup. What a situation.

You’re right in everything you say, but Trumps campaign fought on fuel and grocery prices and it won them the day.

There was an interesting chat on LBC the other day about the celebrity endorsements of the Democrats and how that it isn’t relevant to people which celebrity backs you. Beyoncé, Taylor Swift etc all backing the democrats did them no favours because they all said “aye no bother multi millionaire pop star, I’m going to vote with my wallet”.

The democrats were so out of touch with their campaign. Harris might have been a better candidate if she’d only been nominated 3 years ago.

[Jim44]

You’re right in everything you say, but Trumps campaign fought on fuel and grocery prices and it won them the day.

There was an interesting chat on LBC the other day about the celebrity endorsements of the Democrats and how that it isn’t relevant to people which celebrity backs you. Beyoncé, Taylor Swift etc all backing the democrats did them no favours because they all said “aye no bother multi millionaire pop star, I’m going to vote with my wallet”.

The democrats were so out of touch with their campaign. Harris might have been a better candidate if she’d only been nominated 3 years ago.

Correct. Trump didn’t win the election, it was more a case of the Democrats losing it. The Republicans will, superficially, bask in the glory of victory, but, I’m convinced that, deep down, 99% of them will be embarrassed and worried about the maniac, whom they have allowed to lead them by the nose. MAGA my arse, MTGA more appropriate.

[AgentDaleCooper]

Novara Media's post US election coverage has been really good IMO - Why Trump Won with Mehdi Hasan (https://open.spotify.com/episode/5J3AvVdZncfwil2IfKI2o8?si=40dcf4fe88f24304)

[Keith_M]

How did Trump's plans to 'clean out the sewers of wall street'* actually go?


It's funny, because they seem to be delighted that he's going to be back in power.

'Wall Street roars to record highs after Donald Trump's historic victory' (https://nypost.com/2024/11/06/business/trump-projected-white-house-win-sends-dow-futures-up-1000-points/)


* Or whatever his actual words were

[Ozyhibby]

How did Trump's plans to 'clean out the sewers of wall street'* actually go?


It's funny, because they seem to be delighted that he's going to be back in power.

'Wall Street roars to record highs after Donald Trump's historic victory' (https://nypost.com/2024/11/06/business/trump-projected-white-house-win-sends-dow-futures-up-1000-points/)


* Or whatever his actual words were

The corruption this time around will be off the scale. I’ve decided I don’t give a monkeys so long as something acceptable gets sorted for Ukraine. It’s a long shot though.


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[Hibs4185]

The corruption this time around will be off the scale. I’ve decided I don’t give a monkeys so long as something acceptable gets sorted for Ukraine. It’s a long shot though.


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Pretty much where I am. As long as Ukraine doesn’t get shafted.

[AgentDaleCooper]

The corruption this time around will be off the scale. I’ve decided I don’t give a monkeys so long as something acceptable gets sorted for Ukraine. It’s a long shot though.


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i feel more or less the same, i just hope to christ Starmer learns all the right lessons from this, and not all the wrong ones, which is very much the centre's tendency...

[Bristolhibby]

Pretty much where I am. As long as Ukraine doesn’t get shafted.

They will. A Trump advisor has gone on record saying Ukraine has to accept that Crimea is part of Russia.

They are itching to stop the war and roll over to Russia.

J

[cabbageandribs1875]

Trump projected to win Arizona, clean sweep of all seven swing states :rolleyes:

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/briantylercohen/status/1855302035467624723?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Oligarchs take control.


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[grunt]

https://youtu.be/iX3vMJOADlE?si=NB_gKw1izqgUR_52

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gb-G8ywaYAAOOSa?format=jpg&name=large

[Jones28]

Lots of a stuff doing the round about vote rigging and suspicious activity around the bomb threats being called in by Russia etc.

[Callum_62]

Lots of a stuff doing the round about vote rigging and suspicious activity around the bomb threats being called in by Russia etc.#StopTheSteal

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[easty]

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1856523237208797221

DOGE coin has tripled in value in the last few days. There's nae way this hasn't been abused to make money.

[K-Zazu]

I don’t really follow politics but after the last week or so I’ve been watching stuff on the US Election. How was Kamala Harris even running to be president? I’ve watched the CNN town hall and some other interviews when she had to answer real questions and she would just avoid them then start laughing and talking about how bad Donald Trump is. How was this even allowed to happen? No wonder more than half of America didn’t want her to be President.

[grunt]

This is entirely normal

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:4jajixlbh346ugyindwqppwc/bafkreiabvvvezcxe4yz74peinj7kgchrbwzayyakfaaodies6 k6ngjtal4@jpeg

[Off the bar]

This is entirely normal

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:4jajixlbh346ugyindwqppwc/bafkreiabvvvezcxe4yz74peinj7kgchrbwzayyakfaaodies6 k6ngjtal4@jpeg

If you’ve ever wondered how the Russian oligarchs hoovered up all the formerly nationalised industries in the 90’s after the fall of the Soviet Union I bet it looked pretty similar.

[lapsedhibee]

President-elect Donald Trump's new defense secretary once said that he could not remember washing his hands in ten years in bizarre footage that has resurfaced following his appointment.

In 2019, Fox News host Pete Hegseth declared on air that he has not washed his hands for 10 years because "germs are not a real thing".

He said he believes that germs do not exist because they cannot be seen with the naked eye.

[Hiber-nation]

President-elect Donald Trump's new defense secretary once said that he could not remember washing his hands in ten years in bizarre footage that has resurfaced following his appointment.

In 2019, Fox News host Pete Hegseth declared on air that he has not washed his hands for 10 years because "germs are not a real thing".

He said he believes that germs do not exist because they cannot be seen with the naked eye.

I feel so sorry for these civil servants who have to work to the likes of that. Lot of people looking for a career change (maybe the ones that Musk is getting rid of will be relieved).

[Kato]

This is entirely normal

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:4jajixlbh346ugyindwqppwc/bafkreiabvvvezcxe4yz74peinj7kgchrbwzayyakfaaodies6 k6ngjtal4@jpegIt is. Its normal now.

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[grunt]

Trump is putting the lunatics in charge of every key department in the asylum.

[One Day Soon]

I used to think 24 was ridiculous. Now I think it was understated.

[lapsedhibee]

Trump is putting the lunatics in charge of every key department in the asylum.

Who's his pick for the Department For Stopping Foreigners Eating American Pets though? Marjorie Taylor Greene must be in with a shout for that.

[Lendo]

Matt Gaetz, the man accused of child sex trafficking will be the new Attorney General. You could not make this.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GcQ5r4MXwAAcwJC?format=jpg&name=large

[Hibernia&Alba]

Trump is putting the lunatics in charge of every key department in the asylum.

An idiot from Fox News put in charge of the Department of Defence, which employs 2.1 million people and has an annual budget of a trillion dollars.

Florida Senator Marco Rubio as Secretary of State.

Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz (currently under investigation for child sex trafficking) as Attorney General, the chief law enforcement officer in the country.

Elon Musk to oversee efficiency in government.

Trump is treating it like an episode of The Apprentice. The only qualification he wants for cabinet jobs is total obedience to him.

[Bristolhibby]

An idiot from Fox News put in charge of the Department of Defence, which employs 2.1 million people and has an annual budget of a trillion dollars.

Florida Senator Marco Rubio as Secretary of State.

Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz (currently under investigation for child sex trafficking) as Attorney General, the chief law enforcement officer in the country.

Elon Musk to oversee efficiency in government.

Trump is treating it like an episode of The Apprentice. The only qualification he wants for cabinet jobs is total obedience to him.

It’s what the people voted for.

Head of National Security (CIA) is a pro Putin shill Tulsi Gabbard.

How can we share intelligence with her? She’s been described as a Russian Agent!

J

[Andy Bee]

An idiot from Fox News put in charge of the Department of Defence, which employs 2.1 million people and has an annual budget of a trillion dollars.

Florida Senator Marco Rubio as Secretary of State.

Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz (currently under investigation for child sex trafficking) as Attorney General, the chief law enforcement officer in the country.

Elon Musk to oversee efficiency in government.

Trump is treating it like an episode of The Apprentice. The only qualification he wants for cabinet jobs is total obedience to him.


Elon Musk......Department of Government Efficiency......DOGE

[Kato]

Elon Musk......Department of Government Efficiency......DOGEDoge...as in the old Italian word for a city's ultimate ruler and the root of the word "Duce", as used by Benito Mussolini.

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[lapsedhibee]

It’s what the people voted for.

Head of National Security (CIA) is a pro Putin shill Tulsi Gabbard.

How can we share intelligence with her? She’s been described as a Russian Agent!

J

Republicans expressing "shock" at some of these appointments. No idea why, it was well trailed that people were going to be hired on the sole basis of their loyalty to Trump. Most shocking thing for me is that the entire Trump family hasn't been offered cabinet posts. (Well, apart from Melania who with her radical leftist 'women's reproductive rights' ideas is clearly suffering a little bit from the woke mind virus.)

[Keith_M]

2023...

“There is an argument that it is ethnically targeted. Covid-19 attacks certain races disproportionately,” he said. “The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”
...
“We do know that the Chinese are spending hundreds of millions of dollars developing ethnic bioweapons and we are developing ethnic bioweapons,” he claimed. “They’re collecting Russian DNA. They’re collecting Chinese DNA so we can target people by race.”

Robert F Kennedy Jr (in NY Post (https://nypost.com/2023/07/15/rfk-jr-says-covid-was-ethnically-targeted-to-spare-jews/))


2024...

Robert F Kennedy Jr announced as Trump's pick to lead US Health Department

[Moulin Yarns]

An idiot from Fox News put in charge of the Department of Defence, which employs 2.1 million people and has an annual budget of a trillion dollars.

Florida Senator Marco Rubio as Secretary of State.

Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz (currently under investigation for child sex trafficking) as Attorney General, the chief law enforcement officer in the country.

Elon Musk to oversee efficiency in government.

Trump is treating it like an episode of The Apprentice. The only qualification he wants for cabinet jobs is total obedience to him.

Not defending it in any way but the idiot from Fox news is a decorated soldier,so at least has a military background. What does Elon musk bring to the table????

[grunt]

Not defending it in any way but the idiot from Fox news is a decorated soldier,so at least has a military background.

In 2020, Hegseth volunteered as one of the up-to-25,000 National Guard troops authorized by the Pentagon to be put on active duty to protect the inauguration of President Joe Biden on January 20, 2021, but was removed from that mission because he was one of twelve soldiers "linked to 'right-wing militia groups,' or found to have 'posted extremist views online.'


What does Elon musk bring to the table????

Well according to many commentators, Musk helped Trump to win the election, so I guess that's part of what he brings to the table.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Stephen King has left X for Threads

[Hibs4185]

2023...

“There is an argument that it is ethnically targeted. Covid-19 attacks certain races disproportionately,” he said. “The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”
...
“We do know that the Chinese are spending hundreds of millions of dollars developing ethnic bioweapons and we are developing ethnic bioweapons,” he claimed. “They’re collecting Russian DNA. They’re collecting Chinese DNA so we can target people by race.”

Robert F Kennedy Jr (in NY Post (https://nypost.com/2023/07/15/rfk-jr-says-covid-was-ethnically-targeted-to-spare-jews/))


2024...

Robert F Kennedy Jr announced as Trump's pick to lead US Health Department

I’m going to get slaughtered for this but yes some of his points are bonkers but some are decent.

I don’t follow him or know his policies in depth but what I’ve seen in the last couple of days, there is a few things I think will be good for America.

He says there is 1000 ingredients used in everyday American foods which ate banned in EU. Agreed. American food is full of crap.

Going to try and reduce ultra processed foods.

Fluoride in water. No idea about this one but I seen article today saying studies have shown consuming fluoride has links to lower IQ - they just voted Trump so there’s all the evidence you need!

He just criticised Trump saying his diet was poison.

I don’t know enough about his anti vax views to comments but I seen an interview where he said he agrees with vaccines which are tried and tested and essential.

One thing for sure, the next 4 years are going to be bonkers.

[RyeSloan]

I’m going to get slaughtered for this but yes some of his points are bonkers but some are decent.

I don’t follow him or know his policies in depth but what I’ve seen in the last couple of days, there is a few things I think will be good for America.

He says there is 1000 ingredients used in everyday American foods which ate banned in EU. Agreed. American food is full of crap.

Going to try and reduce ultra processed foods.

Fluoride in water. No idea about this one but I seen article today saying studies have shown consuming fluoride has links to lower IQ - they just voted Trump so there’s all the evidence you need!

He just criticised Trump saying his diet was poison.

I don’t know enough about his anti vax views to comments but I seen an interview where he said he agrees with vaccines which are tried and tested and essential.

One thing for sure, the next 4 years are going to be bonkers.

The US is home to the term pork barrel politics for a reason…the waste in their system is undoubtedly off the scale. So no surprise that someone, no matter how oddly, running on a ticket of ‘reform’ managed to get voted in.

The fact that it will be allegedly be done using sycophants to the benefit of those just elected clearly passed a lot of people by!

But absolutely the next four years will be a crazy rollercoaster accessed through a revolving door…few of Trumps named persons will be around for long if his last administration was any clue as to what will happen this time.

Seems to me that the phase ‘careful what you wish for’ has never been more apt than for those who voted Trump this time around, if only the impact would be limited to them….

[Stairway 2 7]

I’m going to get slaughtered for this but yes some of his points are bonkers but some are decent.

I don’t follow him or know his policies in depth but what I’ve seen in the last couple of days, there is a few things I think will be good for America.

He says there is 1000 ingredients used in everyday American foods which ate banned in EU. Agreed. American food is full of crap.

Going to try and reduce ultra processed foods.

Fluoride in water. No idea about this one but I seen article today saying studies have shown consuming fluoride has links to lower IQ - they just voted Trump so there’s all the evidence you need!

He just criticised Trump saying his diet was poison.

I don’t know enough about his anti vax views to comments but I seen an interview where he said he agrees with vaccines which are tried and tested and essential.

One thing for sure, the next 4 years are going to be bonkers.

Hitler said having a healthy diet was an essential thing. It's easy to focus on the things people say that are sensible and just ignore the bat**** vile stuff.

He said there is a link between vaccines and autism, this has been debunked. Vaccines save millions of lives per year polio, percussion, measles and diphtheria killed thousands every year in the UK now almost zero. The worrying thing is since covid there has been a rise in people not vaccinating their kids and obviously a rise in disease. Idiots like RFK have blood on their hands

He said covid vaccine was rushed, then that to the teams at moderna who had been developing them for two decades. They all had medical degrees that took years and spent decades specialising in immunology, he got his info from twitter.

He said there could be some truth in covid vaccines being used to prime microchips in the blood, ffs

Thinks water vapour from planes jet engines is the government dropping chemicals on the population, surely a day spent with the US airforce explaining to him in crayon will sort that

Says he's very dubious that HIV causes AIDS. People studying the disease their whole lives would like to see the idiots workings on that.

Says 5g causes cancer with zero proof or study.

People didn't care when he was a loon to be laughed at but he will have control over medicare which is the only medical coverage millions of poor Americans have

[grunt]

RFK Jnr:

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[lapsedhibee]

I’m going to get slaughtered for this but yes some of his points are bonkers but some are decent.

I don’t follow him or know his policies in depth but what I’ve seen in the last couple of days, there is a few things I think will be good for America.

He says there is 1000 ingredients used in everyday American foods which ate banned in EU. Agreed. American food is full of crap.

Going to try and reduce ultra processed foods.

Fluoride in water. No idea about this one but I seen article today saying studies have shown consuming fluoride has links to lower IQ - they just voted Trump so there’s all the evidence you need!

He just criticised Trump saying his diet was poison.

I don’t know enough about his anti vax views to comments but I seen an interview where he said he agrees with vaccines which are tried and tested and essential.

One thing for sure, the next 4 years are going to be bonkers.

Another thing for sure, shares in The Iron Lung Company will rocket.

[Hibernia&Alba]

RFK Jnr:

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:5mqpgxjffcckasqv7h6g7itu/bafkreicrjebfylfzpeaa57t4zyt5cvoee7llgefajlgve3vxa 7up4wgyra@jpeg

Trump has to be trolling the world. He seems to be deliberately putting forward the most controversial and unsuitable candidates he can find into cabinet jobs, as if he’s saying, “I can do anything I like.”

An alleged human trafficker at Justice.
A pro-Putin stooge in charge of intelligence
An anti-vax crackpot in charge of health
Elon Musk tasked with slashing budgets across government
A Guy from Fox News in charge of defence

Just a few headliners amongst many lunatics.

[lapsedhibee]

Trump has to be trolling the world. He seems to be deliberately putting forward the most controversial and unsuitable candidates he can find into cabinet jobs, as if he’s saying, “I can do anything I like.”

Perhaps daring the Senate to defy him, giving him an excuse to bypass the Senate. He already has the judiciary under control, without any effective parliament he really just needs the military on side to be in full dictator mode, doesn't he? Who's going to stop that? :dunno:

[Lendo]

Trump has to be trolling the world. He seems to be deliberately putting forward the most controversial and unsuitable candidates he can find into cabinet jobs, as if he’s saying, “I can do anything I like.”

An alleged human trafficker at Justice.
A pro-Putin stooge in charge of intelligence
An anti-vax crackpot in charge of health
Elon Musk tasked with slashing budgets across government
A Guy from Fox News in charge of defence

Just a few headliners amongst many lunatics.

It’s Elon Musk AND Vivek Ramaswamy to lead the Department of Government Efficiency! TWO people doing ONE role, in a department about efficiency and cost saving! I do honestly believe he’s just ****ing with people now.

[greenginger]

Perhaps daring the Senate to defy him, giving him an excuse to bypass the Senate. He already has the judiciary under control, without any effective parliament he really just needs the military on side to be in full dictator mode, doesn't he? Who's going to stop that? :dunno:

Trump does not need the Senate to approve his picks.

He can make “ recess “ appointments for any position and they can last up to a year.

Obama made over 40 recess appointments.

[lapsedhibee]

Trump does not need the Senate to approve his picks.

Indeed but he can use the process to at least get a few troublemakers (like Liz Cheney used to be) out of the GOP, or if there's a big enough rebellion start arguing that the Senate is preventing America Becoming Great Again and should therefore be ignored/shut down/whatever.

[Hibrandenburg]

Scunnered, disgusted, angry. It’s incredible such a man could be elected president twice. What a shameful reflection upon America, a country of 330 million people and Donald Trump is who they come up with to twice be their president. Scary times, he has vowed to burn everything down, and that’s exactly what he will do, in addition to robbing the country blind. He currently has personal debts of around $2 billion; expect the country to pay that back. His criminal cases will magically disappear. It’s going to be even more crazy than his first term, at the end of which he tried to foment a coup. What a situation.

The US is the world's biggest cult. Their citizens are brainwashed from childhood to believe everywhere else is significantly inferior. To be fair the UK isn't that much different.

[The Tubs]

The US is the world's biggest cult. Their citizens are brainwashed from childhood to believe everywhere else is significantly inferior. To be fair the UK isn't that much different.

To be fair, the foundation of the US was a huge turning point for the better for humanity that no other country's history can rival, regardless of its contradictions. Pity it's struggled to live up to it since.

[Hibrandenburg]

To be fair, the foundation of the US was a huge turning point for the better for humanity that no other country's history can rival, regardless of its contradictions. Pity it's struggled to live up to it since.

I can't agree that a country founded on genocide and driven by greed can be a turning point for the better.

[The Tubs]

I can't agree that a country founded on genocide and driven by greed can be a turning point for the better.

The genocide only really kicked in in the 19th century, I think.

[Hibrandenburg]

The genocide only really kicked in in the 19th century, I think.

When the US was still a fledgling nation. Their constitution only came into effect 12 years before the beginning of the 19th century and shortly afterwards they began the massacre of millions of the indigenous population. When the first Europeans landed in the US, they were around 15 million inhabitants living there, by the end of the colonisation there were less than 300 thousand.

[The Tubs]

When the US was still a fledgling nation. Their constitution only came into effect 12 years before the beginning of the 19th century and shortly afterwards they began the massacre of millions of the indigenous population. When the first Europeans landed in the US, they were around 15 million inhabitants living there, by the end of the colonisation there were less than 300 thousand.

Your numbers are all probably true. Nevertheless, when you think about all movements for liberty since then, it's difficult to find any that wasn't inspired by the US. France, Ireland, Tiradentes, etc.

[The Tubs]

Did Ho Chi Minh not even write to the US asking for a hand removing the French?

[Stairway 2 7]

The US is the world's biggest cult. Their citizens are brainwashed from childhood to believe everywhere else is significantly inferior. To be fair the UK isn't that much different.

I think USA, UK and some of western Europe has the largest proportion of self hating populous of any nation. A large amount of us hate our past. Do you think Italians, Greeks, Mongolians, Egyptians or Turks care that they slaughtered to conquer the known world. They put up statues to the conquerors we want them torn down. I'm not saying one is right or wrong, although it's so far away it's nothing to be either proud or ashamed of.

Almost every nation I've been to in 5 continents the population are more patriotic and superior than us.

[The Tubs]

I think USA, UK and some of western Europe has the largest proportion of self hating populous of any nation. A large amount of us hate our past. Do you think Italians, Greeks, Mongolians, Egyptians or Turks care that they slaughtered to conquer the known world. They put up statues to the conquerors we want them torn down. I'm not saying one is right or wrong, although it's so far away it's nothing to be either proud or ashamed of.

Almost every nation I've been to in 5 continents the population are more patriotic and superior than us.

While self-hate probably isn't too cool, an awareness of the benefits you reap from the subjugation of others is handy. In countries like the US, Argentina, Brazil, a lot of folk have no idea of what went on in the past, so it's probably good that more attention is being paid to a lot of stuff and you're always going to get an overreaction and then an over-counterreaction.

[Hibrandenburg]

Your numbers are all probably true. Nevertheless, when you think about all movements for liberty since then, it's difficult to find any that wasn't inspired by the US. France, Ireland, Tiradentes, etc.

Depends on how far back you're willing to go, there's an argument to be made that Scotland was the inspiration behind the drive for American liberty.

None the less, my point still stands, the US was founded on genocide, grew prosperous through slavery, is driven by greed and brainwashes it's population from a young age. Is it then really so surprising that elects an egoistic like Trump as its leader?

[The Tubs]

Depends on how far back you're willing to go, there's an argument to be made that Scotland was the inspiration behind the drive for American liberty.

None the less, my point still stands, the US was founded on genocide, grew prosperous through slavery, is driven by greed and brainwashes it's population from a young age. Is it then really so surprising that elects an egoistic like Trump as its leader?

I'd contest the idea that it was founded on genocide but please feel free to educate me on pre-revolution systematic slaughter. I merely pointed out that they have some reasons to be proud of their country and didn't mention that **** at any point.

[Hibrandenburg]

I think USA, UK and some of western Europe has the largest proportion of self hating populous of any nation. A large amount of us hate our past. Do you think Italians, Greeks, Mongolians, Egyptians or Turks care that they slaughtered to conquer the known world. They put up statues to the conquerors we want them torn down. I'm not saying one is right or wrong, although it's so far away it's nothing to be either proud or ashamed of.

Almost every nation I've been to in 5 continents the population are more patriotic and superior than us.

Sometimes you can only see what a nation is like when you're looking from the outside in.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q50p_lr0HPk

[Hibrandenburg]

I'd contest the idea that it was founded on genocide but please feel free to educate me on pre-revolution systematic slaughter. I merely pointed out that they have some reasons to be proud of their country and didn't mention that **** at any point.

Don't have the time nor inclination to educate anyone, but the information is all out there in the form of historical fact.

[Smartie]

“Trump is starting to ensure his dictatorship. Three Generals are on a list to be arrested for treason.
Flynn has been given authority to fire senior Generals if they don't swear an oath to Trump. Several will refuse.
Some have already taken evasive action.
Generals swear an oath to uphold the constitution .... not to the President.”

Read this earlier. He appears to be trying to make his mark early.

I can’t see him living long tbh…