(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[Just Alf]

It's on X. Never going to give the looney Musk a platform.Agreed, I cancelled my account... a month or so later clicked on one the links posted on here and found out my account was still fully active. Tried it again.... months later, still the same.. I've put in 4 or 5 'support' requests and eventually a formal freedom of information request and been totally blanked... they basically seem to be a rogue company that can do their own thing because they're so big :-(

[AgentDaleCooper]

from what I can see, Trump's campaign seems to have rallied through very clever podcast appearances (where policy was obviously barely discussed in any substance, because he's not capable), and various other machinations...the whole campaign has pretty much collapsed into open psychological warfare. Trump winning is becoming an increasingly frightening prospect again.

[Ozyhibby]

from what I can see, Trump's campaign seems to have rallied through very clever podcast appearances (where policy was obviously barely discussed in any substance, because he's not capable), and various other machinations...the whole campaign has pretty much collapsed into open psychological warfare. Trump winning is becoming an increasingly frightening prospect again.

He’s not going to win.


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[AltheHibby]

Encouraging domestic violence now.

https://x.com/MikeSington/status/1845419696406831593?t=hm4xJnt4uMcWOlTKWgSf-w&s=19

[Jim44]

He’s not going to win.


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There you go again, Ozy. :greengrin I don’t know how often you’ve said this. Is it purely wishful thinking or is there something you know, that we, mere mortals don’t.

[AgentDaleCooper]

He’s not going to win.


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will be absolutely delighted if you're right - i thought they'd unlocked the cheat code by goading him during the debates, but it seems he's rallying and probably being protected from further gaffes...everything else going on in the world seems to be working in his favour though, with the west looking increasingly toothless in the middle east - all Trumps seems to need to do to capitalise on these things is shout about how it wouldn't happen on his watch, and a huge amount of people seem convinced...genuinely hope i'm just being pessimistic due to too much Radiohead growing up.

[Ozyhibby]

There you go again, Ozy. :greengrin I don’t know how often you’ve said this. Is it purely wishful thinking or is there something you know, that we, mere mortals don’t.

I really know. [emoji6][emoji23]


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[Bristolhibby]

will be absolutely delighted if you're right - i thought they'd unlocked the cheat code by goading him during the debates, but it seems he's rallying and probably being protected from further gaffes...everything else going on in the world seems to be working in his favour though, with the west looking increasingly toothless in the middle east - all Trumps seems to need to do to capitalise on these things is shout about how it wouldn't happen on his watch, and a huge amount of people seem convinced...genuinely hope i'm just being pessimistic due to too much Radiohead growing up.

The one I can’t fathom is American Muslims rightly angry at the Democrats for their backing of Isreal are in turn not voting Democrat.

This will lead to Trump taking over. Friend of Netenhanu (sp) and Zionism.

Can they not see that Harris is the lesser of two evils. With the bigger evil being Trumps unashamed backing of Isreal?

J

[AgentDaleCooper]

The one I can’t fathom is American Muslims rightly angry at the Democrats for their backing of Isreal are in turn not voting Democrat.

This will lead to Trump taking over. Friend of Netenhanu (sp) and Zionism.

Can they not see that Harris is the lesser of two evils. With the bigger evil being Trumps unashamed backing of Isreal?

J

i agree that it doesn't make sense from our perspective, but i think the trust in the Democrats to do anything is so low that they'd almost rather have someone who is at least honest about things like the middle east, and also just a general FU to the whole system...i don't think America is particularly over that phase (nor are we)...if people wouldn't vote against their interests the world would be a much better place!

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GZ8hkWTXYAAQrHB?format=jpg&name=large

[Ozyhibby]

i agree that it doesn't make sense from our perspective, but i think the trust in the Democrats to do anything is so low that they'd almost rather have someone who is at least honest about things like the middle east, and also just a general FU to the whole system...i don't think America is particularly over that phase (nor are we)...if people wouldn't vote against their interests the world would be a much better place!

You think Trump is being honest?


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[grunt]

You think Trump is being honest?
I don't think he (Trump) knows the meaning of the word.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the old man wants to stop those violent video games David Leavitt ������*♂️�� on X: "Donald Trump says he will ban videogames Retweet if you think he just lost the Millennial and Gen Z vote https://t.co/LbvncJQq5V" / X (https://x.com/David_Leavitt/status/1846318320603013588)

here he's at a rally bobbing/weaving along to the music Change The System ���� on X: "Trump holds a town hall and instead of answering questions, he stands on stage with boring music playing. Over and over and over again. ��*♀️�� So cringe and so weird �� #Trump #TrumpIsALaughingStock https://t.co/Y5nAYgShLk" / X (https://x.com/ChangeTheSyst14/status/1845990515084337507)



https://meidasnews.com/news/busted-former-republican-candidates-posed-as-constituents-at-trumps-town-hall

[DaveF]

The fact that Trump will let Musk loose within the US Govt if he wins, should be enough to scare everyone.

I really hope the US comes to it's senses. I dread to think of the wider implications if it does not.

[grunt]

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1847000306535612563


Over the seas and over our land. And then they want us to have clean. I said wait, we’re gonna be clean but it’s all flying. Just remember that. Does that make sense? In other words, it’s all coming through the currents through the air, they can name it

[grunt]

Trump: He (Zelensky) should never have let that war start ...


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JHFMkMJuYzlAZ6eNu7xYooF7VwdIGYDX/view

[Bostonhibby]

Trump: He (Zelensky) should never have let that war start ...


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JHFMkMJuYzlAZ6eNu7xYooF7VwdIGYDX/viewIt's almost as if Putin has him in his back pocket.

Or his hand up where the sun definitely doesn't shine operating the Trump glove puppet.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Space Karen buying votes for Trump Elon Musk pledges to give away $1m per day to Pennsylvania voters - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg78ljxn8g7o)


Tech billionaire Elon Musk has said he will give away $1m (£766,000) a day to a registered voter in the key swing state of Pennsylvania until the US presidential election in November.

The winner will be chosen at random from those who sign a pro-constitution petition by Musk’s campaign group AmericaPAC which he set up to support Republican nominee Donald Trump's bid to return to the White House.
The first lottery-style cheque was given away to a surprised-looking attendee at a town hall event on Saturday night.
The giveaway will effectively help to encourage potential Trump voters to engage in the campaign during the tense final weeks of the presidential race ahead of the vote on 5 November.

[AgentDaleCooper]

You think Trump is being honest?


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no, I think I meant that that's some peoples' rationale - that at least he doesn't pretend to give a toss about Palestine, and obviously only supports Israel in so far as it benefits him politically and financially.

a good example of this kind of admittedly daft thinking would be when Innocent smoothies were partially bought be Coke. I found them so irritating and cutesy and cloying that I didn't buy them, but when they 'sold out to the man', I felt a kind of relief, like "aaah, i kneeeeeeew you were full of s****", and started buying them. I'm not saying it makes sense, I'm just saying people can, do and will think like that when they really shouldn't.

tbh though, i don't even know what point i'm trying to make at this juncture :aok:

[Ozyhibby]

no, I think I meant that that's some peoples' rationale - that at least he doesn't pretend to give a toss about Palestine, and obviously only supports Israel in so far as it benefits him politically and financially.

a good example of this kind of admittedly daft thinking would be when Innocent smoothies were partially bought be Coke. I found them so irritating and cutesy and cloying that I didn't buy them, but when they 'sold out to the man', I felt a kind of relief, like "aaah, i kneeeeeeew you were full of s****", and started buying them. I'm not saying it makes sense, I'm just saying people can, do and will think like that when they really shouldn't.

tbh though, i don't even know what point i'm trying to make at this juncture :aok:

My son could drink them for Scotland and they cost a fortune. I’m saving money now he’s gone to uni. Over 18 years if I’d just bought shares instead of the juice I’d be retired by now.[emoji23]


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[Hibby70]

This has nothing to do with Trump.

Remember when Orange Juice was classed as a starter in restaurants. 😂. Actually on second thoughts it is kind of Trump related.

[cabbageandribs1875]

from the man that has insulted numerous individuals inc calling Kamala Harris ******ed
💙Jillian Hurley on X: "Oh. “BREAKING: Donald Trump says Kamala Harris bringing up his face makeup during her Fox News interview is "crossing a red line." https://t.co/gNVriu43Lk" / X (https://x.com/JillianMHurley/status/1847647015070531922)



but this line was ok for the big beast


Chris D. Lewis, C.O.M. on X: "@JillianMHurley And this wasn’t. 😳 https://t.co/ExZS7n0YNg" / X (https://x.com/ChrisLewisLLS/status/1847647584938086892)

[overdrive]

This has nothing to do with Trump.

Remember when Orange Juice was classed as a starter in restaurants. 😂. Actually on second thoughts it is kind of Trump related.

It still was at a boxing event at the Marriott in Glasgow I went to a few years ago. It was a round table set up with a meal.

Advertised as a three “coarse” meal - the starter and dessert certainly weren’t “coarse” - the starter was orange juice and the dessert was an espresso. 😂

It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump had something to do with that event - they came round selling raffle tickets then never actually did the raffle - a very Trump thing to do

[DaveF]

No idea if it's accurate but the mood music in the sky news reports is that all roads point to a Trump win, with Arab and Black communities swaying towards him in the decisive states.

[jamie_1875]

No idea if it's accurate but the mood music in the sky news reports is that all roads point to a Trump win, with Arab and Black communities swaying towards him in the decisive states.

He is the bookies favorite, the shares in Trump Media have tripled so the markets expect him to win. All signs point to a Trump victory.

[Bristolhibby]

He is the bookies favorite, the shares in Trump Media have tripled so the markets expect him to win. All signs point to a Trump victory.

Well that’s ****** depressing.

[K-Zazu]

Well that’s ****** depressing.

I really don’t know anything about US politics tbh, but why would it be depressing?

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GacaJ39bEAE1u5b?format=jpg&name=large

[s.a.m]

He is the bookies favorite, the shares in Trump Media have tripled so the markets expect him to win. All signs point to a Trump victory.

I don't think betting market predictions are considered a reliable source (though Elon Musk wants us to think they're much more accurate than polls); it's thought that they are being influenced by right-wing oligarchs placing large bets to influence the narrative ahead of the election (and presumably to make a case for claiming the election is stolen if it doesn't go Trump's way). Peter Thiel - far right billionaire technobro and, along with Elon Musk, responsible for the JD Vance pick as VP - is an investor in Polymarket, one of the high profile betting prediction markets. There have been calls for investigations into possible rigging, or deliberate manipulation of the odds with big bets from a small number of foreign entities. I know nowt about betting markets, but here are a couple of links on the issue:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/large-bets-election-prediction-market-are-overseas-source-says-2024-10-18/

https://time.com/7095708/financial-scam-political-prediction-election/

https://www.newsweek.com/who-polymarket-mystery-trader-fredi9999-1969646

[Ozyhibby]

Harris will win.[emoji106]


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[Smartie]

Harris will win.[emoji106]


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I wish I had your confidence.

The alternative doesn't bear thinking about. The next six months could be fairly pivotal for the future of the human race, with so many flashpoints around the world and so many headbangers on the cusp of getting their own way.

[K-Zazu]

Harris will win.[emoji106]


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How do you know that?

[Ozyhibby]

How do you know that?

Read it on an email sent by Bill Gates to Hunter Biden’s laptop.[emoji6]
It’s just my opinion. I think Harris will win massively among women and will carry her to the White House. I think the polls can’t weight for the amount of women voting in this election on the abortion issue because there is no track record. I think that will make the difference.


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[Kato]

How do you know that?Who do you hope to win?

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[Andy Bee]

Read it on an email sent by Bill Gates to Hunter Biden’s laptop.[emoji6]
It’s just my opinion. I think Harris will win massively among women and will carry her to the White House. I think the polls can’t weight for the amount of women voting in this election on the abortion issue because there is no track record. I think that will make the difference.


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Labour sending over 100 current and former party staff members to campaign for Harris. Alex Cole Hamilton has also taken a leave of absence to chap doors in swing states. Trumps a shoe in. :greengrin

https://x.com/TelegraphUS/status/1847013902757904650

[Stairway 2 7]

I really don’t know anything about US politics tbh, but why would it be depressing?

A ticket winning that wants to ban abortion even in cases of incest and rape, has said that childless people should have less of an opinion, has said millions of people including those who have a legal status of citizenship should be rounded up and deported, who is a sexual assault perpetrator.

If you want them to win then you have reprehensible morals in my opinion

[Hibrandenburg]

A ticket winning that wants to ban abortion even in cases of incest and rape, has said that childless people should have less of an opinion, has said millions of people including those who have a legal status of citizenship should be rounded up and deported, who is a sexual assault perpetrator.

If you want them to win then you have reprehensible morals in my opinion

Along with about 50% of US adults eligible to vote.

[Stairway 2 7]

Along with about 50% of US adults eligible to vote.

It's horrendous they have been duped like a large proportion of the world to just focus on immigration and forget the rest. Dems are also suffering from what almost every incumbent government in the world that's been up for reelection has faced, no one wants to vote in a party that's been in power through the worst recession and interest rates in our lives. Times have been brutal and governments have had not much good news to give out. The only thing that might save the dems is how loony Reps are on women's issues

[grunt]

I really don’t know anything about US politics tbh, but why would it be depressing?
I suggest that it might be worth doing some research.

[Stairway 2 7]

Trump officially reports Labour and the Democrats to the Federal Electoral Commission for interference. Everything I've read says its legal for foreign nationals to campaign in the US

[Jones28]

I really don’t know anything about US politics tbh, but why would it be depressing?

Have you been living in a cave since 2016?

[lapsedhibee]

I really don’t know anything about US politics tbh, but why would it be depressing?

https://youtu.be/PX9reO3QnUA

[Andy Bee]

Trump officially reports Labour and the Democrats to the Federal Electoral Commission for interference. Everything I've read says its legal for foreign nationals to campaign in the US

He's got a bit of a cheek considering he's got Farage held up in a bought and paid for room in Trump Towers.

[Stairway 2 7]

He's got a bit of a cheek considering he's got Farage held up in a bought and paid for room in Trump Towers.

True, Truss too

[Bristolhibby]

Trump officially reports Labour and the Democrats to the Federal Electoral Commission for interference. Everything I've read says its legal for foreign nationals to campaign in the US

Rich seeing as Musk is entering new registered voters for the Republicans in Pennsylvania access to a daily lottery.

J

[Ozyhibby]

True, Truss too

It’s just a campaign tactic so they can claim the election was rigged afterwards. If he is to steal power this time he’s going to need lots of lawsuits.


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[Jim44]

Harris will win.[emoji106]


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I’ve now realised that your constant ‘Trump won’t win’ and ‘Harris will win’ is probably just a tongue in cheek opinion and comment and wishful thinking as I don’t remember you backing up your statements with any real evidence why you think this.

[Ozyhibby]

I’ve now realised that your constant ‘Trump won’t win’ and ‘Harris will win’ is probably just a tongue in cheek opinion and comment and wishful thinking as I don’t remember you backing up your statements with any real evidence why you think this.

I’ve said earlier I believe the level of female participation in this vote is being under represented in the polls. Not the polling companies fault as they can only weight things based on previous polls. And the increased numbers will break for Harris.
I 100% could be wrong and Trump wins.

I also think that the polls are being flooded with republican leaning polls which is distorting the averages. I read the other day that in the last week there were 34 neutral polls released, 33 republicans leaning polls and 1 democrat leaning polls. If this turns out to be the case then it’s possible that Trump support is being overstated.

I will still be very nervous a week on Tuesday watching the results come in.

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[s.a.m]

It's horrendous they have been duped like a large proportion of the world to just focus on immigration and forget the rest. Dems are also suffering from what almost every incumbent government in the world that's been up for reelection has faced, no one wants to vote in a party that's been in power through the worst recession and interest rates in our lives. Times have been brutal and governments have had not much good news to give out. The only thing that might save the dems is how loony Reps are on women's issues

The US economy is booming, by most measures: growth, employment, wages - which have outstripped inflation, and have disproportionally benefitted low wage workers. Unfortunately, prices remain high - not a small thing - which is understandably affecting the vibes. The post-recovery recession which a number of the financial publications said was 100% going to happen, hasn't.

- The supermarkets have maintained covid supply-related rises, and are considered to be price-gouging (in the past few weeks, a supermarket group executive has admitted this to an inquiry). Harris has talked about legislating against price-gouging, but I would guess that that would be politically difficult here in the US? Otherwise, the government doesn't control prices beyond the inflation rate, which price-rises have exceeded. Every time I do food shopping, I have a "HOW much??" moment, and I've been here two years.

- Healthcare. Mental, basically. Services and medication cost many multiples of what they cost elsewhere in the world, and even excellent insurance doesn't cover all your outgoings. Even insured people can be bankrupted or impoverished by significant 'out of pocket' expenses. Again, the prices are not government controlled, and there is fierce political and industry opposition to government intervention. Doing away with lobbying would likely help, but it's not going to happen. Trump says he will have a brilliant plan to replace the 'terrible Obamacare', but he was saying that in 2016, and so far hasn't come up with the plan. Here's a comparison of the 2 parties' positions on healthcare, if anyone's interested:
https://www.kff.org/compare-2024-candidates-health-care-policy/

Housing. There's a shortage, particularly in affordable housing, and fixing that is fraught with problems. Harris says she's going to build 3 million homes, and will achieve that through getting zoning restrictions reduced. At the moment, this is mainly controlled by local councils, and there are whole towns and cities where there are severe restrictions on building anything other than single family homes, with a minimum plot size and a minimum number of on-site car parking spaces. And homes aren't being built in the places where they are needed - which are often the places with most restrictive zoning, meaning low-paid workers often have to live far away from where the work is. If ever anyone is bored and looking for an internet rabbit hole to scurry down, look up the history of housing zoning in the US, and its socioeconomic consequences. It's a longterm problem which may be really difficult to solve.

A couple of recent articles on the economy (free, if you haven't used up their freebies)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/07/18/trump-biden-economy-charts-compare/

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/us-economy-excellent/678630/

There seems to be pretty consistent agreement from even right-leaning sources that Trump's economic plans are at best unhelpful, and more likely, would be harmful to the economy. Mass deportation of one of their main sources of cheap labour, plus tariffs and the trade wars that go with that, are going to push prices up.

[Kato]

I’ve said earlier I believe the level of female participation in this vote is being under represented in the polls. Not the polling companies fault as they can only weight things based on previous polls. And the increased numbers will break for Harris.
I 100% could be wrong and Trump wins.

I also think that the polls are being flooded with republican leaning polls which is distorting the averages. I read the other day that in the last week there were 34 neutral polls released, 33 republicans leaning polls and 1 democrat leaning polls. If this turns out to be the case then it’s possible that Trump support is being overstated.

I will still be very nervous a week on Tuesday watching the results come in.

Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAgree with this. There are a lot of Trump supporting husbands who have wifes who will secretly vote for Harris. Also lots of chat about rigged polling in Trumps favour.

Even if Harris wins fair and square there will be trouble.

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[Bristolhibby]

Agree with this. There are a lot of Trump supporting husbands who have wifes who will secretly vote for Harris. Also lots of chat about rigged polling in Trumps favour.

Even if Harris wins fair and square there will be trouble.

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I really hope so.

Is this Americas version of 2014’s “Shy No’s”?

J

[Ozyhibby]

I really hope so.

Is this Americas version of 2014’s “Shy No’s”?

J

Difficult to say. Last two elections with Trump on the ballot have under estimated his support. Polling companies now claim they have weighted their polls to fix this.
2022 under estimated Dems but hard to compare because Trump not directly on the ballot.
Polling companies can’t really weight for an increased female vote because of Roe because it may not exist. We will just have to wait and see. I think it does but it may not.


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[K-Zazu]

Have you been living in a cave since 2016?

Pretty much tbh 😂

[K-Zazu]

Who do you hope to win?

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I’m no really bothered, doesn’t make any difference to me. You?

[Kato]

I’m no really bothered, doesn’t make any difference to me. You?Well when America sneezes the world catches a cold. If an authoritarian, which Trump self proclaims as, was in control of the USA the obvious alignments made would be with other authoritarians. He's already said Putin should be allowed to do as he pleases which would lead to war in Europe and would drag us in. I don't want my 18 year old son involved in a war designed to allow billionaires to get richer. I also have quite a few pals in the US who are dreading him being elected.

Does it affect you much? Does it bother you that other people will be affected? Does it make a difference to you that American women will would be denied health care and would see a return to back-street abortions. Or is it just that you would be OK so, why bother?

But, aye, it does bother me. Thanks for your concern.

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[K-Zazu]

Well when America sneezes the world catches a cold. If an authoritarian, which Trump self proclaims as, was in control of the USA the obvious alignments made would be with other authoritarians. He's already said Putin should be allowed to do as he pleases which would lead to war in Europe and would drag us in. I don't want my 18 year old son involved in a war designed to allow billionaires to get richer. I also have quite a few pals in the US who are dreading him being elected.

Does it affect you much? Does it bother you that other people will be affected? Does it make a difference to you that American women will would be denied health care and would see a return to back-street abortions. Or is it just that you would be OK so, why bother?

But, aye, it does bother me. Thanks for your concern.

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I’ve said before on this thread that I don’t know anything about US politics, and I don’t know anything about what you are saying about wars and abortions etc .. I don’t watch the news or keep up to date about what Donald Trump is up too. I’m just not bothered about it. I just wanted to know who was going to win because people on here know a lot more than me, hence why I asked.

[Bostonhibby]

He's got a bit of a cheek considering he's got Farage held up in a bought and paid for room in Trump Towers.To be fair, if your toilet's blocked and you need to force a Donald sized Richard the Third round the U bend in one seamless thrust having the MP for Clacton on hand is a better option that one of those plastic brush efforts.

And you can depend on him because he ain't going to be in Clacton.

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[Kato]

I’ve said before on this thread that I don’t know anything about US politics, and I don’t know anything about what you are saying about wars and abortions etc .. I don’t watch the news or keep up to date about what Donald Trump is up too. I’m just not bothered about it. I just wanted to know who was going to win because people on here know a lot more than me, hence why I asked.Sorry, I got mixed up with you not being bothered and you wanting to know stuff.

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[Hibs4185]

To be fair, if your toilet's blocked and you need to force a Donald sized Richard the Third round the U bend in one seamless thrust having the MP for Clacton on hand is a better option that one of those plastic brush efforts.

And you can depend on him because he ain't going to be in Clacton.

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You’ve just given me a business idea….donald trump toilet brushes

[Bostonhibby]

You’ve just given me a business idea….donald trump toilet brushesI hear you, with optional detachable Nasty Nigel heads. Where do I sign up?

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[Andy Bee]

You’ve just given me a business idea….donald trump toilet brushes


I hear you, with optional detachable Nasty Nigel heads. Where do I sign up?

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I'm so on this, anyone got the number for Dragons Den?

https://pinshape.com/items/57524-3d-printed-nigel-farage-bust-ready-for-full-color-3d-printing

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/art/boris-johnson-bust-ready-for-full-color-3d-printing

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/art/us-president-donald-j-trump

[Moulin Yarns]

I'm so on this, anyone got the number for Dragons Den?

https://pinshape.com/items/57524-3d-printed-nigel-farage-bust-ready-for-full-color-3d-printing

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/art/boris-johnson-bust-ready-for-full-color-3d-printing

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/art/us-president-donald-j-trump

Too late

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=trump+loo+brush&adgrpid=156491836690&gad_source=1&hvadid=697091502883&hvdev=m&hvexpln=70&hvlocphy=9180944&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=3672559196565636864--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=3672559196565636864&hvtargid=kwd-475808099003&hydadcr=16908_2153602&tag=hydrukspg-21&ref=pd_sl_35qc8a7nw7_e_p70

[Bostonhibby]

I'm so on this, anyone got the number for Dragons Den?

https://pinshape.com/items/57524-3d-printed-nigel-farage-bust-ready-for-full-color-3d-printing

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/art/boris-johnson-bust-ready-for-full-color-3d-printing

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/art/us-president-donald-j-trump[emoji23]

The Clacton Daily Bugle is doing an Edinburgh Evening News type spot the ball competition.

Every week the Clacton electorate get a map of their constituency to put an X on and who ever is lucky enough to pinpoint where their MP is wins a billion.

Safe as houses as he spends more time in the States up a big orange sphincter than he will ever do in Clacton post election.

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[Jones28]

Pretty much tbh 😂

There was a documentary on bbc 2 last night about his attempts to overturn the votes in Georgia.

I’d be surprised if anyone watched it and still thinks Trump is harmless.

[McD]

I’ve said before on this thread that I don’t know anything about US politics, and I don’t know anything about what you are saying about wars and abortions etc .. I don’t watch the news or keep up to date about what Donald Trump is up too. I’m just not bothered about it. I just wanted to know who was going to win because people on here know a lot more than me, hence why I asked.


If you’re not bothered who wins the presidential election, and you don’t know anything about US politics, and you don’t know abortion law changes there, or the wars going on the DT has been giving his opinions on… why did you bother to come on the thread and ask?

[Jim44]

If you’re not bothered who wins the presidential election, and you don’t know anything about US politics, and you don’t know abortion law changes there, or the wars going on the DT has been giving his opinions on… why did you bother to come on the thread and ask?

Well, they do say ‘ignorance is bliss’.

[K-Zazu]

If you’re not bothered who wins the presidential election, and you don’t know anything about US politics, and you don’t know abortion law changes there, or the wars going on the DT has been giving his opinions on… why did you bother to come on the thread and ask?

I like to ask things 👍

[Ozyhibby]

I like to ask things [emoji106]

Not enough by sound of it.[emoji6][emoji23]


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[grunt]

I’m no really bothered, doesn’t make any difference to me. You?It will make a difference to you.


I’ve said before on this thread that I don’t know anything about US politics, and I don’t know anything about what you are saying about wars and abortions etc .. I don’t watch the news or keep up to date about what Donald Trump is up too. I’m just not bothered about it. I just wanted to know who was going to win because people on here know a lot more than me, hence why I asked.
I was going to explain why you should be bothered. But I can't be bothered.

[lapsedhibee]

I was going to explain why you should be bothered. But I can't be bothered.
Good, because I couldn't have been bothered reading your explanation.

[grunt]

Good, because I couldn't have been bothered reading your explanation.:greengrin

https://iandunt.substack.com/p/us-election-god-help-us-all


We're just days away from an event with limitless consequences, from a moment which will change everything. Usually that's hyperbole. This time it is not. And yet, we have no power over it. We have no influence, as individuals or a country. There is, realistically speaking, not a single thing we can do. We have to sit and wait and watch and then accept our fate.

[grunt]

Dilemma


https://youtu.be/tku1YIoxSAQ?si=vB-1BTpbh4Q_FFAl

[cabbageandribs1875]

they will most likely be prepared for the infantile ignorant man-child name-calling Trump will hit them with Nobel prize winners endorse Harris and warn Trump would endanger future of science | US elections 2024 | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/25/nobel-prize-winners-endorse-kamala-harris?fbclid=IwY2xjawGIyxVleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHaR9w7 7_hGXyRrvtxFm8epa3_Av93Re8T_1ZkYUBjtjmK5knLchcChad lQ_aem_9rrK_1Sj20NLtjkfzUFTIg)

More than 80 Nobel prize (https://www.theguardian.com/science/nobelprizes) winners have endorsed Kamala Harris (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/kamala-harris) for the presidency, warning that Donald Trump (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/donaldtrump) would “jeopardize any advancements in our standards of living” given his earlier proposals for enormous cuts to science funding.
In an open letter, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/24/science/kamala-harris-nobel-winners.html), 82 Nobel prize winners from the US in the fields of physics, chemistry, economics and medicine, said “this is the most consequential presidential election in a long time, perhaps ever, for the future of science and the United States”.

Losers
Dumb
etc etc etc

[lapsedhibee]

they will most likely be prepared for the infantile ignorant man-child name-calling Trump will hit them with Nobel prize winners endorse Harris and warn Trump would endanger future of science | US elections 2024 | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/25/nobel-prize-winners-endorse-kamala-harris?fbclid=IwY2xjawGIyxVleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHaR9w7 7_hGXyRrvtxFm8epa3_Av93Re8T_1ZkYUBjtjmK5knLchcChad lQ_aem_9rrK_1Sj20NLtjkfzUFTIg)

More than 80 Nobel prize (https://www.theguardian.com/science/nobelprizes) winners have endorsed Kamala Harris (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/kamala-harris) for the presidency, warning that Donald Trump (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/donaldtrump) would “jeopardize any advancements in our standards of living” given his earlier proposals for enormous cuts to science funding.
In an open letter, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/24/science/kamala-harris-nobel-winners.html), 82 Nobel prize winners from the US in the fields of physics, chemistry, economics and medicine, said “this is the most consequential presidential election in a long time, perhaps ever, for the future of science and the United States”.

Losers
Dumb
etc etc etc

Like to know whether any of those 82 have aced the cognitive test that Trump did a few years back.

[Bristolhibby]

Like to know whether any of those 82 have aced the cognitive test that Trump did a few years back.

No one knows more about nuclear than him.

J

[Hibrandenburg]

they will most likely be prepared for the infantile ignorant man-child name-calling Trump will hit them with Nobel prize winners endorse Harris and warn Trump would endanger future of science | US elections 2024 | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/25/nobel-prize-winners-endorse-kamala-harris?fbclid=IwY2xjawGIyxVleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHaR9w7 7_hGXyRrvtxFm8epa3_Av93Re8T_1ZkYUBjtjmK5knLchcChad lQ_aem_9rrK_1Sj20NLtjkfzUFTIg)

More than 80 Nobel prize (https://www.theguardian.com/science/nobelprizes) winners have endorsed Kamala Harris (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/kamala-harris) for the presidency, warning that Donald Trump (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/donaldtrump) would “jeopardize any advancements in our standards of living” given his earlier proposals for enormous cuts to science funding.
In an open letter, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/24/science/kamala-harris-nobel-winners.html), 82 Nobel prize winners from the US in the fields of physics, chemistry, economics and medicine, said “this is the most consequential presidential election in a long time, perhaps ever, for the future of science and the United States”.

Losers
Dumb
etc etc etc

As humans we've been here before and I'm not surprised that intellectuals are concerned about what Trump, Putin and their counterparts world wide are trying to sell their electorate. History has shown is again and again where this all goes. No matter the ideology the result is the same, imperialism, holocaust, culture revolution and dictatorship.

There's always a scapegoat, for the Nazis it was the Jews, for the Communists the bourgeois and nobility, Mao targeted intellectualism and the Church other religions. When Trump talks about draining the swamp, he's talking about teachers, political opponents and intellectualism. They have a right to be worried.

[Bostonhibby]

No one knows more about nuclear than him.

JAnd not one of them even contemplated getting Americans to ingest bleach as a Covid cure.

What a visionary the orange blob is.

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[Moulin Yarns]

And not one of them even contemplated getting Americans to ingest bleach as a Covid cure.

What a visionary the orange blob is.

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I'm watching an American comedy series called Sprung and it's set during the pandemic, one character is coughing and the others make a concoction of bleach and other cleaning stuff and are about to drink it when the guy with the cough realised he was allergic to something he was wearing.

Honest, it was funny at the time. 😉

[Bostonhibby]

I'm watching an American comedy series called Sprung and it's set during the pandemic, one character is coughing and the others make a concoction of bleach and other cleaning stuff and are about to drink it when the guy with the cough realised he was allergic to something he was wearing.

Honest, it was funny at the time. [emoji6][emoji16] Parody, or real life in Trumpean corners of the USA?

Probably difficult to tell.

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[greenginger]

they will most likely be prepared for the infantile ignorant man-child name-calling Trump will hit them with Nobel prize winners endorse Harris and warn Trump would endanger future of science | US elections 2024 | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/25/nobel-prize-winners-endorse-kamala-harris?fbclid=IwY2xjawGIyxVleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHaR9w7 7_hGXyRrvtxFm8epa3_Av93Re8T_1ZkYUBjtjmK5knLchcChad lQ_aem_9rrK_1Sj20NLtjkfzUFTIg)

More than 80 Nobel prize (https://www.theguardian.com/science/nobelprizes) winners have endorsed Kamala Harris (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/kamala-harris) for the presidency, warning that Donald Trump (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/donaldtrump) would “jeopardize any advancements in our standards of living” given his earlier proposals for enormous cuts to science funding.
In an open letter, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/24/science/kamala-harris-nobel-winners.html), 82 Nobel prize winners from the US in the fields of physics, chemistry, economics and medicine, said “this is the most consequential presidential election in a long time, perhaps ever, for the future of science and the United States”.

Losers
Dumb
etc etc etc


You’ve got to be careful of so called expert opinions a few days before an election.

Remember the hundred or so security experts and former FBI people signing a letter say the Hunter Biden laptop was fake and a Russian plant a week before the 2020 election and it turned out it was 100% genuine.

[Ozyhibby]

You’ve got to be careful of so called expert opinions a few days before an election.

Remember the hundred or so security experts and former FBI people signing a letter say the Hunter Biden laptop was fake and a Russian plant a week before the 2020 election and it turned out it was 100% genuine.

What was on the laptop?


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[grunt]

Remember the hundred or so security experts and former FBI people signing a letter say the Hunter Biden laptop was fake and a Russian plant a week before the 2020 election and it turned out it was 100% genuine.
:greengrin Show me the evidence for this! (Actually, don't bother, I'm not going to read it).


What was on the laptop?
Nothing. Hunter Biden wasn't even on the ballot. Russian infowars.

[Kato]

You’ve got to be careful of so called expert opinions a few days before an election.

Remember the hundred or so security experts and former FBI people signing a letter say the Hunter Biden laptop was fake and a Russian plant a week before the 2020 election and it turned out it was 100% genuine.He had a genuine laptop!! Not a fake laptop a genuine one..



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[greenginger]

:greengrin Show me the evidence for this! (Actually, don't bother, I'm not going to read it).


Nothing. Hunter Biden wasn't even on the ballot. Russian infowars.

The laptop contents were used by the prosecution to convict Hunter Biden of tax evasion.

Hunter Biden may not have been on the ballot but his dad was and there were various emails implicating him in Hunters deals with foreign entities including a breakup of their profits which listed 10% to the “ big guy “

Two of Hunters partners have sworn under oath that Joe Biden was the big guy.

Not good information to be circulating a couple of weeks before an election so they got some “ experts” in to sign a letter saying it was all a Russian fake.

[Jim44]

I’ve a horrible feeling that, with things so tight in the run up to the election, tango man is going to sneak it. It’s a lose lose situation for democracy in America and the world in general. Republicans win and Trump will display how loud and loose a canon he is. World peace kaput. Democrats win and potentially civil war in America. Depressing times.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Leonardo di Caprio endorses Harris

[Jim44]

Leonardo di Caprio endorses Harris

……. why does this give me a sinking feeling? :greengrin

[grunt]

Not good information to be circulating a couple of weeks before an election so they got some “ experts” in to sign a letter saying it was all a Russian fake.
Well you certainly convinced me.

[Moulin Yarns]

……. why does this give me a sinking feeling? :greengrin

That's just the tip of the iceberg. 😉

[Moulin Yarns]

Well you certainly convinced me.

Some experts???

51 former intelligence officials signed a public statement asserting that the laptop story had “all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”

[cabbageandribs1875]

……. why does this give me a sinking feeling? :greengrin


over 19 million votes have been cast already :worried:

[Hibs4185]

The laptop contents were used by the prosecution to convict Hunter Biden of tax evasion.

Hunter Biden may not have been on the ballot but his dad was and there were various emails implicating him in Hunters deals with foreign entities including a breakup of their profits which listed 10% to the “ big guy “

Two of Hunters partners have sworn under oath that Joe Biden was the big guy.

Not good information to be circulating a couple of weeks before an election so they got some “ experts” in to sign a letter saying it was all a Russian fake.

10% to the big guy but Trumps useless son in law gets billions from friendly countries to start his own fund even though he has no experience in that field.

Trump claims foreign interference because Labour have sent a few people
To help campaign for Kamala, yet Truss, Farage and Johson support Trump.

Also have Musk effectively buying votes in swing states by offering a million dollar a day lottery.

Trump is a wee greeting faced *ank stain.

[Ozyhibby]

The laptop contents were used by the prosecution to convict Hunter Biden of tax evasion.

Hunter Biden may not have been on the ballot but his dad was and there were various emails implicating him in Hunters deals with foreign entities including a breakup of their profits which listed 10% to the “ big guy “

Two of Hunters partners have sworn under oath that Joe Biden was the big guy.

Not good information to be circulating a couple of weeks before an election so they got some “ experts” in to sign a letter saying it was all a Russian fake.

What the actual charge?


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[greenginger]

What the actual charge?


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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-guilty-verdict-tax-evasion-trial/


I would not be surprised if there’s been a back room deal done between the Bidens and Trump to pardon each other after the election depending on the results.

Call me suspicious but I don’t trust any politician, especially Yanks. :greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-guilty-verdict-tax-evasion-trial/


I would not be surprised if there’s been a back room deal done between the Bidens and Trump to pardon each other after the election depending on the results.

Call me suspicious but I don’t trust any politician, especially Yanks. :greengrin
Bidens son was tried and agreed to pay the tax. That is the opposite of Trump who disagrees and disputes his multiple charges. He disputed the election also and will again

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-guilty-verdict-tax-evasion-trial/


I would not be surprised if there’s been a back room deal done between the Bidens and Trump to pardon each other after the election depending on the results.

Call me suspicious but I don’t trust any politician, especially Yanks. :greengrin

What’s that to do with his laptop?


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[Keith_M]

What’s that to do with his laptop?


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I bet it was a Chinese Laptop...

[grunt]

https://youtu.be/fMjhl9jxrug?si=b_QRcoLaPvtJIW5W

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ga2Rp_gakAAmyH4?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andy Bee]

I watched the Joe Rogan podcast last night interviewing Trump for 3hrs. It was actually quite interesting but what struck me was the amount of views. It had been up for 20hrs and had over 23m views and it's now at 30m. He didn't hold back on what he thought of Harris whatsoever. Pretty funny at times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBMoPUAeLnY

[greenginger]

What’s that to do with his laptop?


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The evidence of all his undeclared income and expenditure was found on his laptop.

[J-C]

I had a guy in the taxi the other day from upstate NY, he's a big Trump fan and went on to say he works 12 hour days, teetotal and is good for US businesses, I didn't get into a deep conversation with the guy as he was already a Trump voter and I couldn't be bothered going through all the bad the things about the guy, Trump voters are deep rooted and it'll take a lot to change their minds, we need to hope the young voters come out in force against this guy or he'll be back in.

[Smartie]

I had a guy in the taxi the other day from upstate NY, he's a big Trump fan and went on to say he works 12 hour days, teetotal and is good for US businesses, I didn't get into a deep conversation with the guy as he was already a Trump voter and I couldn't be bothered going through all the bad the things about the guy, Trump voters are deep rooted and it'll take a lot to change their minds, we need to hope the young voters come out in force against this guy or he'll be back in.

Not going to debate this with you as I suspect we are very much on the same side on this, but I think we're going to find out exactly how good for US businesses in the next 4 years if he gets in (unfortunately when imo).

And that will be not very good at all.

[Ozyhibby]

The evidence of all his undeclared income and expenditure was found on his laptop.

Which is important because?


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[grunt]

Trump advert

https://x.com/Daractenus/status/1850799140772393165

[greenginger]

Which is important because?


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Because it proves the iPad and its contents were genuine and not a Russian fake as the “ experts “ claimed and the media ran with before the 2020 election.

[Ozyhibby]

Because it proves the iPad and its contents were genuine and not a Russian fake as the “ experts “ claimed and the media ran with before the 2020 election.

Fake, real. What is the significance? He is a private citizen.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Because it proves the iPad and its contents were genuine and not a Russian fake as the “ experts “ claimed and the media ran with before the 2020 election.

Pity it wasn't an iPad though! 😁

[Jim44]

Panorama tonight is an hour long programme about why Trump should get a second chance. I’m depressed that things at present point towards a Trump victory. :grr:

[Ozyhibby]

Panorama tonight is an hour long programme about why Trump should get a second chance. I’m depressed that things at present point towards a Trump victory. :grr:

What things?


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[grunt]

Panorama tonight is an hour long programme about why Trump should get a second chance. I’m depressed that things at present point towards a Trump victory. :grr:WTF? What's happened to the BBC?

Just looked at the blurb for the programme ...


For the past two years, Panorama has been following some of Donald Trump’s most ardent supporters. One was just feet away from the former president when a gunman tried to assassinate him during a rally in Pennsylvania.
Is that the BBC saying the "attempted assassination" was real and not staged? Perhaps they should do a Panorama about the "shooting".

[The Tubs]

WTF? What's happened to the BBC?

It's the state broadcaster so it needs to represent the views of the British government. Britain's (short-term?) interest means that it has to hedge its bets, just like many US business people have done.

[lapsedhibee]

It's the state broadcaster so it needs to represent the views of the British government. Britain's (short-term?) interest means that it has to hedge its bets, just like many US business people have done.

Has Panorama already done a "Why Harris should get a first chance" or is that still to come? Not a trick question, genuinely don't follow the BBC's current affairs output since it became mostly right-of-centre political propaganda.

[The Tubs]

Has Panorama already done a "Why Harris should get a first chance" or is that still to come? Not a trick question, genuinely don't follow the BBC's current affairs output since it became mostly right-of-centre political propaganda.

Neither do I, mate. It's terrible.

[Jim44]

What things?


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Well, bookie’s favourite for a start, a lot of media exposure, both positive and damaging, but keeping his name in the forefront of the minds of ‘undecidedes’. Barring some insipid, publicised vocal support from eminent pop stars, Harris doesn’t seem to get his level of media attention and, from a distance admittedly, unfortunately I think ‘things’ point to a victory for him. I’m watching the programme now and can’t help feeling he’s got all these thick Yanks eating out of his hands. Just a strong feeling I’ve got to say, but I think my feeling is backed up by what we are hearing and seeing.
As I’ve said before, Ozy, you incessantly tell us that Trump won’t\can’t win, but I don’t think you’ve ever backed it up with sound reasoning. I hope I’m wrong and you’re right and, if Harris wins, I’ll be the first to celebrate with you, but I honestly think we’re both in for a major disappointment.

[jamie_1875]

Panorama tonight is an hour long programme about why Trump should get a second chance. I’m depressed that things at present point towards a Trump victory. :grr:

The programme was called "Trump: A second chance?"

Isn't the question mark very important in this context? I don't think it was all about why Trump should get a second chance and being justified by the BBC!

[Jim44]

The programme was called "Trump: A second chance?"

Isn't the question mark very important in this context? I don't think it was all about why Trump should get a second chance and being justified by the BBC!

I didn’t know about the ? and take the point. However, the programme, to me, was highly pitched in Trump’s favour and, on balance or maybe imbalance, supported the Trump campaign. I found the last glimpse of Trump highly disturbing and threatening. He said “If we don’t win this election, it might be the last ever election we ever have.” Take what you want from that.

[blackpoolhibs]

I didn’t know about the ? and take the point. However, the programme, to me, was highly pitched in Trump’s favour and, on balance or maybe imbalance, supported the Trump campaign. I found the last glimpse of Trump highly disturbing and threatening. He said “If we don’t win this election, it might be the last ever election we ever have.” Take what you want from that.
:agree:

That family they followed are completely mad, as are most of his followers. It's become a cult that has these people in a spell, they are deranged if they think he gives a toss about any of them?

If you look up gullible in the dictionary, it just says yanks. :rolleyes:

[Ozyhibby]

Well, bookie’s favourite for a start, a lot of media exposure, both positive and damaging, but keeping his name in the forefront of the minds of ‘undecidedes’. Barring some insipid, publicised vocal support from eminent pop stars, Harris doesn’t seem to get his level of media attention and, from a distance admittedly, unfortunately I think ‘things’ point to a victory for him. I’m watching the programme now and can’t help feeling he’s got all these thick Yanks eating out of his hands. Just a strong feeling I’ve got to say, but I think my feeling is backed up by what we are hearing and seeing.
As I’ve said before, Ozy, you incessantly tell us that Trump won’t\can’t win, but I don’t think you’ve ever backed it up with sound reasoning. I hope I’m wrong and you’re right and, if Harris wins, I’ll be the first to celebrate with you, but I honestly think we’re both in for a major disappointment.

The polls point to a Harris win. I think on the day she will win by more than 4%. I actually think she can take Florida. So long as she gets to 270 though then I’ll be very happy.
Early voting is showing massive turnout among women, black and Latino voters. It’s also just up massively overall, pointing to a huge turnout. All that will help Harris.
I’m still confident she wins. Although I’ll get more nervous as next Tuesday approaches.


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[500miles]

Using twitter right now to try and gauge what way voters might go seems like a waste of time. Musk pretty unashamedly using it as a propaganda machine and his MAGA bots with blue ticks being propelled right to the top of the newsfeeds. Pointing to republican voter regististration as a outright win when people are getting paid to register seems unwise as well.

[Kato]

https://youtu.be/t6ZZU4xXtqE?si=BXuHAUm3Lx1TdFjf

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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/morning_joe/status/1851249022838694083?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Late endorsement from W maybe?


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[Jim44]

:agree:

That family they followed are completely mad, as are most of his followers. It's become a cult that has these people in a spell, they are deranged if they think he gives a toss about any of them?

If you look up gullible in the dictionary, it just says yanks. :rolleyes:

This for me is the crux of the problem. Firstly you have the Joe Bloggs Republican supporters who will vote for their party, irrespective of the candidate. I don’t think any of them, even the one’s who know Trump is a liability, and a danger society, will abstain. Then you have the ‘gullibles’ like the idiots featured in the programme, who are fanatics and mesmerised by Trump’s histrionics and lies. Lastly, and possibly the most worrying, are the crazy insurgents, who would follow any clown, like Trump, who preaches and encourages their violent philosophies. Without exaggeration or knee-jerking the USA and the wider world is on a knife edge.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/kamalahq/status/1851048146937254157?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[lapsedhibee]

https://x.com/kamalahq/status/1851048146937254157?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


Nobody knows more than him about articulacy.

[Bostonhibby]

https://x.com/kamalahq/status/1851048146937254157?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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The orange one knows best.



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[Ozyhibby]

Nobody knows more than him about articulacy.

I’m hoping after next week he loses so bad we can start properly laughing about what an idiot he is.[emoji1696]


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[overdrive]

He’s tagged some random The Rangers fan in on a tweet about postal votes…

https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1851282668987601020?s=46&t=PDHC74zsJgiKF_bB4aPXvw

Make Rayngurs Great Again!

[cabbageandribs1875]

some Ballot boxes set on fire Molly Ploofkins™ on X: "Ballot drop boxes set on fire in Portland, Oregon and Vancouver, Washington. Police said incendiary devices were placed inside the boxes early Monday morning. https://t.co/g6RVyEJ2QP" / X (https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1850959033555128619)

[USA_Hibee]

some Ballot boxes set on fire Molly Ploofkins™ on X: "Ballot drop boxes set on fire in Portland, Oregon and Vancouver, Washington. Police said incendiary devices were placed inside the boxes early Monday morning. https://t.co/g6RVyEJ2QP" / X (https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1850959033555128619)

I wonder which candidate the people who did this support?

[USA_Hibee]

I see Biden has had a gaffe and called Trump supporters 'Garbage'. I don't think he meant it as that, he was very very muddled in the 27 second clip and couldn't get his words out. Hard to tell.

However.. It reminds me of Hilary Clinton referring to Trump supporters as 'Deplorables' which, to me, was a big turning point. Terrible timing.

[Ozyhibby]

I see Biden has had a gaffe and called Trump supporters 'Garbage'. I don't think he meant it as that, he was very very muddled in the 27 second clip and couldn't get his words out. Hard to tell.

However.. It reminds me of Hilary Clinton referring to Trump supporters as 'Deplorables' which, to me, was a big turning point. Terrible timing.

Think it will be fine. Unfortunately for Joe, nobody is listening to him anymore. He’s not the candidate and has been totally sidelined by her campaign.
Still, if Trump wants to spend the last 6 days running against Biden then that would be good.[emoji106]


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[cabbageandribs1875]

I wonder which candidate the people who did this support?


Republicans have wanted Ballot boxes removed

most ballot box votes are from Democrats

apparently three devices had "free Gaza" and "free palestine" messages on them Devices used in Oregon, Washington ballot box fires had 'Free Gaza' messages, reports say (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/devices-used-in-oregon-washington-ballot-box-fires-had-free-gaza-messages-reports-say/ar-AA1tcFeK?ocid=BingNewsVerp)


so i'm really not sure :wink:




anyhoo, nearly 60m votes have been cast

[Keith_M]

https://x.com/kamalahq/status/1851048146937254157?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A




That's got to be a spoof.... surely!

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/connorgillies/status/1852078170461425872?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/wired/status/1852084059855364571?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[cabbageandribs1875]

oh boy Luke Zaleski on X: "What is wrong with everyone who is pretending this maniac doesn’t want to be a dictator? https://t.co/4oNE5mLfLF" / X (https://x.com/ZaleskiLuke/status/1852022792054595745)

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1852016551672607124?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Musk saying they are going to crash the economy.


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[Bostonhibby]

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1852016551672607124?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Musk saying they are going to crash the economy.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkMaybe that's why they've been giving Dim Lizzie so much air time?

If anyone knows how to crash an economy.........

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[BS44]

Does early voting in the US election mean good news for either party or no advantage to Reublican or Democrats?

With only 5 days to go which pollster are possibly the best to keep a eye on for a idea of who the yanks are gonna vote for as next president

[Jim44]

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1852016551672607124?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Musk saying they are going to crash the economy.


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Musk is an enemy of ordinary Americans. He is a self centred egoist.

[Hibrandenburg]

Musk is an enemy of ordinary Americans. He is a self centred egoist.

He's a nutter. He looked like a 15 year old after having his first beer when he came on stage at the Trump rally.

[Paul1642]

Every single day a news headline seems to read that some celebrity is endorsing Harris. Today’s BBC top headline begins with “Harris campaigns with Cardi B in Wisconsin”.

Have I lost touch with reality or is there a reason why we should give a **** who Cardi B, Leonardo Dicaprio, Taylor Swift, or the hundred other celebrities who have piped up think people should vote vote.

Any statesmanship that once existed in American politics is dead and buried. It resembles a reality tv show more than the world’s most powerlful leadership contest these days.

I wish they could both lose.

[Smartie]

Does early voting in the US election mean good news for either party or no advantage to Reublican or Democrats?

With only 5 days to go which pollster are possibly the best to keep a eye on for a idea of who the yanks are gonna vote for as next president

I read that a large number of early votes is meant to be good for the Dems, who are perceived as being more likely to vote early.

It’s one of Trump’s bugbears - a perfectly legal and acceptable way to cast a vote but as it goes against him, Trump thinks it suggests corruption.

[J-C]

Every single day a news headline seems to read that some celebrity is endorsing Harris. Today’s BBC top headline begins with “Harris campaigns with Cardi B in Wisconsin”.

Have I lost touch with reality or is there a reason why we should give a **** who Cardi B, Leonardo Dicaprio, Taylor Swift, or the hundred other celebrities who have piped up think people should vote vote.

Any statesmanship that once existed in American politics is dead and buried. It resembles a reality tv show more than the world’s most powerlful leadership contest these days.

I wish they could both lose.

All these stars have millions of followers on various platforms, they are very influential.

[Ozyhibby]

Every single day a news headline seems to read that some celebrity is endorsing Harris. Today’s BBC top headline begins with “Harris campaigns with Cardi B in Wisconsin”.

Have I lost touch with reality or is there a reason why we should give a **** who Cardi B, Leonardo Dicaprio, Taylor Swift, or the hundred other celebrities who have piped up think people should vote vote.

Any statesmanship that once existed in American politics is dead and buried. It resembles a reality tv show more than the world’s most powerlful leadership contest these days.

I wish they could both lose.

I would say almost nobody bases their vote on a single endorsement but a lot of endorsements can create a narrative and the appearance of momentum. Also the endorsements of so many Republicans is helping create the feeling among republicans that it’s ok this time to vote for a democrat to stop Trump.
People want to join a group they know has other people like them. And for some people, they might just feel like Cardi B is just like them.


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[Ozyhibby]

I read that a large number of early votes is meant to be good for the Dems, who are perceived as being more likely to vote early.

It’s one of Trump’s bugbears - a perfectly legal and acceptable way to cast a vote but as it goes against him, Trump thinks it suggests corruption.

I think a large turnout is thought to be good for dems as there is thought to be a ceiling for Trumps support. It’s thought he can only win when Dems are apathetic like in 2016 where Hilary didn’t really get people excited and many were stung by Sanders treatment.
That was the danger with going with Biden. Harris appears to have stopped that.


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[McD]

Every single day a news headline seems to read that some celebrity is endorsing Harris. Today’s BBC top headline begins with “Harris campaigns with Cardi B in Wisconsin”.

Have I lost touch with reality or is there a reason why we should give a **** who Cardi B, Leonardo Dicaprio, Taylor Swift, or the hundred other celebrities who have piped up think people should vote vote.

Any statesmanship that once existed in American politics is dead and buried. It resembles a reality tv show more than the world’s most powerlful leadership contest these days.

I wish they could both lose.



I think it’s a common thing there, for public figures to endorse candidates, it also happens in the process to select a presidential candidate as well.


The campaigns of each party also court public figures to donate, support and publicly endorse candidates. Kal Penn talks about it at length in his autobiography, where he was inspired by Barack Obama at such an event in Los Angeles, and ended up volunteering to do a lot of work for the campaign, who were both keen to leverage his relative high profile and also concerned about him being primarily known for Harold and Kumar, and the possible interpretation of supporting drug use.

[Bostonhibby]

Every single day a news headline seems to read that some celebrity is endorsing Harris. Today’s BBC top headline begins with “Harris campaigns with Cardi B in Wisconsin”.

Have I lost touch with reality or is there a reason why we should give a **** who Cardi B, Leonardo Dicaprio, Taylor Swift, or the hundred other celebrities who have piped up think people should vote vote.

Any statesmanship that once existed in American politics is dead and buried. It resembles a reality tv show more than the world’s most powerlful leadership contest these days.

I wish they could both lose.It's absolutely cringeworthy but it's how the American system works. Politics in a great many countries is a basket case but despite all the rhetoric the vested interests tend not to want to change.

Look at who gave us Truss and Sunak, to name a few.

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[Hibrandenburg]

Every single day a news headline seems to read that some celebrity is endorsing Harris. Today’s BBC top headline begins with “Harris campaigns with Cardi B in Wisconsin”.

Have I lost touch with reality or is there a reason why we should give a **** who Cardi B, Leonardo Dicaprio, Taylor Swift, or the hundred other celebrities who have piped up think people should vote vote.

Any statesmanship that once existed in American politics is dead and buried. It resembles a reality tv show more than the world’s most powerlful leadership contest these days.

I wish they could both lose.

It's not unique to the US, it's been happening in the UK for decades.

[Moulin Yarns]

It's not unique to the US, it's been happening in the UK for decades.

Aye, look at morrissey! 🤣

[AgentDaleCooper]

I think a large turnout is thought to be good for dems as there is thought to be a ceiling for Trumps support. It’s thought he can only win when Dems are apathetic like in 2016 where Hilary didn’t really get people excited and many were stung by Sanders treatment.
That was the danger with going with Biden. Harris appears to have stopped that.


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very much hope you're right :aok:

[Jim44]

Caught the tail end of the news this morning and Trump is ahead in four of the seven swing states. That’s depressing news.

[Ozyhibby]

Caught the tail end of the news this morning and Trump is ahead in four of the seven swing states. That’s depressing news.

Depends what states. If it doesn’t include MI, WI or PA then it’s all good.
No votes counted yet though. I’m convinced polls are wrong anyway.


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[Hibs4185]

Depends what states. If it doesn’t include MI, WI or PA then it’s all good.
No votes counted yet though. I’m convinced polls are wrong anyway.


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In Ozy we trust

[Ozyhibby]

In Ozy we trust

People who know me well don’t trust me.[emoji23]


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[grunt]

The next POTUS? God help us all.


“When I say insane asylums, and then I say, Doctor Hannibal Lecter, does anybody know? They go crazy. They say, oh, he brings up these names out of— Well, that's genius. Right. Doctor Hannibal Lecter. There's nobody worse than him. Silence of the Lambs. Who the hell else would even remember that? I have a great memory, but they always hit me. I don't bring it up too much because they have to take such a— he brought up Hannibal Lecter. What does that have to do with this? What is it? It has everything to do with it, right? He was… So I've done something for you for you that I haven't done in 20 speeches. I brought up Doctor Hannibal Lecter and we're allowing him, you watch, you watch these fake people will say again, he brought up Hannibal Lecter has absolutely nothing to do. You know I do the weave, right? The weave. It's genius. You bring up Hannibal Lecter, you mention insane asylum. Hannibal Lecter. You go out, no. There'll be a time in life where the weave won't finish properly at the bottom and then we can talk. But right now it's pure genius. Hey, I have an uncle, my uncle, Uncle John, my father's brother, 41 years at MIT, longest serving professor has so many degrees, he didn't know what the hell to do with them all in the most complicated. I understand a lot of this stuff, you know, I believe in that. Like, I mean, Jack Nicklaus is not gonna produce a bad golfer. Right. You know, that's the way it works. It's just one of those things and it's in the family and it's whatever”

[lapsedhibee]

The next POTUS? God help us all.

Trump has often claimed his genius comes from his genes, but I'm not so sure. We don't have any evidence that his uncle John ever actually managed to say Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV in exactly that order.

[Ozyhibby]

The next POTUS? God help us all.

https://x.com/acyn/status/1852774101775270290?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

It’s a fascinating watch.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/uspollingwatch/status/1852853075733545004?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Keith_M]

The Democrats are celebrating a poll that has Harris two percentage points ahead of Trump in Iowa... on the same day that a different poll had Trump ahead by nine points in the same state.


I think it's best to ignore the polls and just wait to see what the result is.

[Stairway 2 7]

The Democrats are celebrating a poll that has Harris two percentage points ahead of Trump in Iowa... on the same day that a different poll had Trump ahead by nine points in the same state.


I think it's best to ignore the polls and just wait to see what the result is.

I'd disregard single polls but there is a massive difference. The poll that had Trump 9 ahead generally has Republic almost a dozen points ahead because they mainly ask republicans so can be disregarded anyway. Selzer is one of the most accurate polls usually, it had Trump well ahead in Iowa last time when he won there.

The margin of error is 3% so could go either way. The thing is though Trump should be about 8 ahead here so that's the interesting point. It also looks from the data women are turning out and massively voting Dem. Looks like abortion is going to play a big part in this election

[greenginger]

BBC Poll tracker for what its worth.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj4x71znwxdo

[Ozyhibby]

I'd disregard single polls but there is a massive difference. The poll that had Trump 9 ahead generally has Republic almost a dozen points ahead because they mainly ask republicans so can be disregarded anyway. Selzer is one of the most accurate polls usually, it had Trump well ahead in Iowa last time when he won there.

The margin of error is 3% so could go either way. The thing is though Trump should be about 8 ahead here so that's the interesting point. It also looks from the data women are turning out and massively voting Dem. Looks like abortion is going to play a big part in this election

I only posted this because of the quality of the pollster and the fact that she only does Iowa and her track record is impeccable. And it agrees with me.[emoji6][emoji23]
I think most polls are basing female turnout on previous elections (what else can they do?) and this election is the first since Roe was overturned.
I also think republicans are flooding the market with biased polls which is mucking up all the averages.
Finally I think the polling companies have over corrected for under estimating Trump last time.
All adds up to me thinking they are massively wrong.
We’ll find out Wednesday morning and as long as she wins I won’t care if I’m right or wrong.[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]


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[Ozyhibby]

The Democrats are celebrating a poll that has Harris two percentage points ahead of Trump in Iowa... on the same day that a different poll had Trump ahead by nine points in the same state.


I think it's best to ignore the polls and just wait to see what the result is.

The track record of those polls are not equal. I agree though, don’t look at polls now. Look at turnout and the demographics of who has already voted.


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[Paul1642]

The track record of those polls are not equal. I agree though, don’t look at polls now. Look at turnout and the demographics of who has already voted.


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Personally I’ve been ignoring polls and tracking betting odds and bookies tend not to be far off when there’s money involved. Off course they could be an element of enticing people to bet a certain way. Sky bet still have Trump as the favourite but odds have shortened. Harris was big favourite on the odds not long after Biden dropped out.

[Ozyhibby]

Personally I’ve been ignoring polls and tracking betting odds and bookies tend not to be far off when there’s money involved. Off course they could be an element of enticing people to bet a certain way. Sky bet still have Trump as the favourite but odds have shortened. Harris was big favourite on the odds not long after Biden dropped out.

Bookies odds only reflect the amount of money placed on a candidate. If Musk decides to bet $20m on Trump tomorrow his odds would get even shorter still without changes whether he is likely to win or not.


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[RyeSloan]

I only posted this because of the quality of the pollster and the fact that she only does Iowa and her track record is impeccable. And it agrees with me.[emoji6][emoji23]
I think most polls are basing female turnout on previous elections (what else can they do?) and this election is the first since Roe was overturned.
I also think republicans are flooding the market with biased polls which is mucking up all the averages.
Finally I think the polling companies have over corrected for under estimating Trump last time.
All adds up to me thinking they are massively wrong.
We’ll find out Wednesday morning and as long as she wins I won’t care if I’m right or wrong.[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]


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Economist had a good piece on the Iowa poll. Basically it’s pretty good at predicting Iowa (4/5) and by how much.

The real ‘excitement’ is that it has an odd way of predicting a few of the swing states. When applying the swing percentage predicted in Iowa to the likes of Wisconsin it’s been oddly accurate there as well.

The piece clearly pointed out that using Iowa polls for a different state should come with a huge dose of salt and that the recent accuracy and f doing so may well be a fluke (the poll has been running a long time but is largely not digitised so back testing can’t happen). But it has been rather accurate recently so may well be again!

Take from that what you may…

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbaVliqa4AAgi24?format=jpg&name=large

[lapsedhibee]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbaVliqa4AAgi24?format=jpg&name=large

Buy shares in bleach if Trump gets in Toosday.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Buy shares in bleach if Trump gets in Toosday.


a cure for Covid :agree:

[cabbageandribs1875]

i mean, well, i, oh fgs

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/465445120_8702990436424377_8325329079110496220_n.j pg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=aa7b47&_nc_ohc=WYn2cDML4ToQ7kNvgEkLRSg&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&_nc_gid=AdN7lVt_F7hbkgfsGOYQm9u&oh=00_AYBxrti8vrQwAbcDkToP44BNcL6QySdrvso2YJt3jzEh 0Q&oe=672DB454

[JimBHibees]

I'd disregard single polls but there is a massive difference. The poll that had Trump 9 ahead generally has Republic almost a dozen points ahead because they mainly ask republicans so can be disregarded anyway. Selzer is one of the most accurate polls usually, it had Trump well ahead in Iowa last time when he won there.

The margin of error is 3% so could go either way. The thing is though Trump should be about 8 ahead here so that's the interesting point. It also looks from the data women are turning out and massively voting Dem. Looks like abortion is going to play a big part in this election

Abortion laws absolutely should be a big part. Utterly backward and cruel.

[jamie_1875]

https://www.thetimes.com/article/3141b5bc-830e-4588-8311-397ef169a34f?shareToken=dfb2a0669b8dedc7fec6c883d7 e86ccf

Surprising? Not really I reckon.

"Scots like Donald Trump more than other western Europeans do, a survey has revealed.

A quarter of adults living north of the border hope the controversial Republican nominee wins Tuesday’s US presidential election.

That is much higher than the meagre support of just 16 per cent in the UK as a whole and compared with just 17 per cent in Spain, 15 per cent in France, 14 per cent in Germany, 13 per cent in Sweden and 7 per cent in Denmark"

[grunt]

"Scots like Donald Trump more than other western Europeans do, a survey has revealed.

A quarter of adults living north of the border hope the controversial Republican nominee wins Tuesday’s US presidential election.
I don't believe it.

The poll gives numbers of those polled for the whole of GB. Here's the summary results (https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Eurotrack_USElection_Oct24.pdf) from the YouGov website - figures for GB polling. I suspect that the Scottish numbers have been made up to enable the Times to create a story.

[DaveF]

I don't believe it.

The poll gives numbers of those polled for the whole of GB. I suspect that the Scottish numbers have been made up to enable the Times to create a story.

Maybe they polled the Scots portion in and around Ayrshire.

I agree with you, looks like rubbish. I'm surprised Jamie isn't surprised.

[jamie_1875]

I don't believe it.

The poll gives numbers of those polled for the whole of GB. Here's the summary results (https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Eurotrack_USElection_Oct24.pdf) from the YouGov website - figures for GB polling. I suspect that the Scottish numbers have been made up to enable the Times to create a story.

So you believe they sat around a table and decided to make up some polling numbers? All the journalists and the Editors and the polling company Norsat who are one of the leading data collectors in the Europe all got together to make this up and then decided to rope in the University of Glasgow who also agreed to the fake numbers just to create a story?

I mean I guess it could happen.

[Ozyhibby]

So you believe they sat around a table and decided to make up some polling numbers? All the journalists and the Editors and the polling company Norsat who are one of the leading data collectors in the Europe all got together to make this up and then decided to rope in the University of Glasgow who also agreed to the fake numbers just to create a story?

I mean I guess it could happen.

They won’t have made anything up. I suspect it’s maybe a Scottish subsample of the whole UK poll and therefore not very reliable.
I’d be very surprised if any nation in the UK differed much on opinions on Trump.


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[grunt]

So you believe they sat around a table and decided to make up some polling numbers? Yes. It's The Times, it's what they do.


I mean I guess it could happen.There you go.

[lapsedhibee]

I don't believe it.

It could be true. Scotland still has a greater alcohol problem than rUK, I think. Trump doesn't drink alcohol but much of the time he sounds as if he's pished, and perception counts. There could be a 'he's one of us!' effect going on, particularly with the Scots maw.

[grunt]

I don't believe it.
That's it. I've finally become Victor Meldrew.

[Stairway 2 7]

They won’t have made anything up. I suspect it’s maybe a Scottish subsample of the whole UK poll and therefore not very reliable.
I’d be very surprised if any nation in the UK differed much on opinions on Trump.


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It's probably around 200 Scots so less than France ect. I agree to small a number to be accurate but gives a rough idea.

Saying a European wide pole from respected pollsters and universities made it up is utterly ridiculous though.

[JimBHibees]

https://www.thetimes.com/article/3141b5bc-830e-4588-8311-397ef169a34f?shareToken=dfb2a0669b8dedc7fec6c883d7 e86ccf

Surprising? Not really I reckon.

"Scots like Donald Trump more than other western Europeans do, a survey has revealed.

A quarter of adults living north of the border hope the controversial Republican nominee wins Tuesday’s US presidential election.

That is much higher than the meagre support of just 16 per cent in the UK as a whole and compared with just 17 per cent in Spain, 15 per cent in France, 14 per cent in Germany, 13 per cent in Sweden and 7 per cent in Denmark"

Would be amazed if that was the case unless there survey was taken outside Ibrox

[JimBHibees]

https://www.thetimes.com/article/3141b5bc-830e-4588-8311-397ef169a34f?shareToken=dfb2a0669b8dedc7fec6c883d7 e86ccf

Surprising? Not really I reckon.

"Scots like Donald Trump more than other western Europeans do, a survey has revealed.

A quarter of adults living north of the border hope the controversial Republican nominee wins Tuesday’s US presidential election.

That is much higher than the meagre support of just 16 per cent in the UK as a whole and compared with just 17 per cent in Spain, 15 per cent in France, 14 per cent in Germany, 13 per cent in Sweden and 7 per cent in Denmark"

How can they come out with that line

[SHODAN]

I don't believe it.

The poll gives numbers of those polled for the whole of GB. Here's the summary results (https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Eurotrack_USElection_Oct24.pdf) from the YouGov website - figures for GB polling. I suspect that the Scottish numbers have been made up to enable the Times to create a story.

Would guess that the Scotland results are unweighted.

[Mon Dieu4]

Some folk are maybe on the wind up, I'd probably have said I would vote for him purely just to noise people up

[Smartie]

I grew up in a small town, most of my "mates" growing up would be Rangers fans.

TBH, given where they've ended up politically, this would be of absolutely no surprise to me whatsoever.

They love him, he speaks their language - f'ing nonsense.

[Jim44]

Does anyone really care what opinions irrational Scots have about Trump?
Or is that really relevant to Americans of Scottish descent and how they might vote in the election?

[lapsedhibee]

Does anyone really care what opinions irrational Scots have about Trump?
Or is that really relevant to Americans of Scottish descent and how they might vote in the election?

It helps the Times push the idea that Scotland is not more progressive than rUK, and that the progressive political parties who do so well in Scotland (eg Labour and SNP) don't reflect the views of real Scottish people. This is Telegraph level BS.

[Moulin Yarns]

Figures showed that 56% of Scottish residents supported Kamala Harris –*


That's not the headline though! 🤔

[Kato]

I grew up in a small town, most of my "mates" growing up would be Rangers fans.

TBH, given where they've ended up politically, this would be of absolutely no surprise to me whatsoever.

They love him, he speaks their language - f'ing nonsense.Exactly.

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[grunt]

It helps the Times push the idea that Scotland is not more progressive than rUK, and that the progressive political parties who do so well in Scotland (eg Labour and SNP) don't reflect the views of real Scottish people. This is Telegraph level BS.
Spot on.

[jamie_1875]

It helps the Times push the idea that Scotland is not more progressive than rUK, and that the progressive political parties who do so well in Scotland (eg Labour and SNP) don't reflect the views of real Scottish people. This is Telegraph level BS.

The Times and the Daily Record and The National and all the other newspapers that ran with the story?

It was covered in the article the point you are making, I am guessing you refuse to believe the polling expert but he makes his point below.

Mark McGeoghegan, a polling and politics expert at the University of Glasgow, said the results should not be surprising.

“For decades, we have stuck to the myth that we are more left-wing and socially liberal than our neighbours, a story that, for the pro-independence wing of Scottish politics, feeds a sense that our different politics justifies independence. But it is just that, a story.

“The sense that Scotland is more immune to Trump’s brand of right-wing populism than other parts of the UK is rooted in the fact that Thatcherism and deindustrialisation rendered the Conservatives toxic north of the border and that the SNP chose to target Labour and Labour voters. The legacy is a party system that is more left-leaning than most, but not an electorate that is.

McGeoghegan said there was as much demand for right-wing populism in Scotland as anywhere else in Europe.

This is not just on the unionist side, he said. He added: “It makes sense that Scots attracted to independence — a form of outsider politics that promises to solve tough problems with a simple solution — might also be attracted to Trump.”

He concluded: “While not surprising, this should be concerning. Trump’s politics are not just right-wing populist but authoritarian. We should all be deeply worried that he could take a quarter of Scots.”

But as pointed out the sample size is small.

[grunt]

The Times and the Daily Record and The National and all the other newspapers that ran with the story?
The MSM feeds on itself to generate news. Big deal.


Mark McGeoghegan, a polling and politics expert at the University of Glasgow, said the results should not be surprising.Have a look at his articles online. He's one of these experts who is expert at sitting on the fence. "It could mean this, or it could mean that." He allows the media to twist his views into any shape that meets their needs.


“For decades, we have stuck to the myth that we are more left-wing and socially liberal than our neighbours, a story that, for the pro-independence wing of Scottish politics, feeds a sense that our different politics justifies independence. But it is just that, a story.

“The sense that Scotland is more immune to Trump’s brand of right-wing populism than other parts of the UK is rooted in the fact that Thatcherism and deindustrialisation rendered the Conservatives toxic north of the border and that the SNP chose to target Labour and Labour voters. The legacy is a party system that is more left-leaning than most, but not an electorate that is.Rubbish. Complete bollocks. If anything, the SNP membership is more left leaning than the party leadership.


This is not just on the unionist side, he said. He added: “It makes sense that Scots attracted to independence — a form of outsider politics that promises to solve tough problems with a simple solution — might also be attracted to Trump.”Have you ever read such rubbish?


But as pointed out the sample size is small.Indeed.

[lapsedhibee]

The Times and the Daily Record and The National and all the other newspapers that ran with the story?

It was covered in the article the point you are making, I am guessing you refuse to believe the polling expert but he makes his point below.

Mark McGeoghegan, a polling and politics expert at the University of Glasgow, said the results should not be surprising.

“For decades, we have stuck to the myth that we are more left-wing and socially liberal than our neighbours, a story that, for the pro-independence wing of Scottish politics, feeds a sense that our different politics justifies independence. But it is just that, a story.

“The sense that Scotland is more immune to Trump’s brand of right-wing populism than other parts of the UK is rooted in the fact that Thatcherism and deindustrialisation rendered the Conservatives toxic north of the border and that the SNP chose to target Labour and Labour voters. The legacy is a party system that is more left-leaning than most, but not an electorate that is.

McGeoghegan said there was as much demand for right-wing populism in Scotland as anywhere else in Europe.

This is not just on the unionist side, he said. He added: “It makes sense that Scots attracted to independence — a form of outsider politics that promises to solve tough problems with a simple solution — might also be attracted to Trump.”

He concluded: “While not surprising, this should be concerning. Trump’s politics are not just right-wing populist but authoritarian. We should all be deeply worried that he could take a quarter of Scots.”

But as pointed out the sample size is small.

You're guessing wrong. I have no opinion whatsoever on how accurate the polling was. I wouldn't be surprised if a certain demographic in Scotland prefers Trump because of his orangeness. But the idea that Scotland as a whole is not relatively 'progressive' but repeatedly votes to be governed by 'progressive' parties and never votes to be governed by non-'progressive' parties is just bizarre.

[cabbageandribs1875]

more than 78m have now voted

[cabbageandribs1875]

oh dear not another one, he's a fantastic businessman isn't he Popular Liberal 🇺🇸 on X: "WOW! Major news: Donald Trump is on the brink of his seventh bankruptcy! With a staggering $1.8B in debt and only around $400 million in cash, it's crystal clear why he and Elon Musk are so desperate for the White House. "What does Elmo get out of it? Blank taxpayers' welfare https://t.co/qUwaChLYga" / X (https://x.com/PopularLiberal/status/1853465264710418789)

[Hibs4185]

oh dear not another one, he's a fantastic businessman isn't he Popular Liberal 🇺🇸 on X: "WOW! Major news: Donald Trump is on the brink of his seventh bankruptcy! With a staggering $1.8B in debt and only around $400 million in cash, it's crystal clear why he and Elon Musk are so desperate for the White House. "What does Elmo get out of it? Blank taxpayers' welfare https://t.co/qUwaChLYga" / X (https://x.com/PopularLiberal/status/1853465264710418789)

I would love this to be true but his stake in his social media company is back up to £3-£4 billion and he can now cash in his shares.

[Ozyhibby]

I would love this to be true but his stake in his social media company is back up to £3-£4 billion and he can now cash in his shares.

I don’t think there will be any real buyers at that price.


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[JimBHibees]

It helps the Times push the idea that Scotland is not more progressive than rUK, and that the progressive political parties who do so well in Scotland (eg Labour and SNP) don't reflect the views of real Scottish people. This is Telegraph level BS.

Absolutely the reason it is done

[Hibs4185]

I don’t think there will be any real buyers at that price.


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Somebody must be buying if the shares have shot up. They were down massively when his tie was due to end, his stake was about £1 billion then, but as his odds of winning have increased so has the stock.

Even if he unloads 25% of his holding, it’s still a billion-ish. Depressing

[Ozyhibby]

Somebody must be buying if the shares have shot up. They were down massively when his tie was due to end, his stake was about £1 billion then, but as his odds of winning have increased so has the stock.

Even if he unloads 25% of his holding, it’s still a billion-ish. Depressing

Depends on the volume of sales? Is it actually being traded in large volumes? If not then it’s unlikely he could off load a $billion worth.


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[Jones28]

Well todays the day, polls are officially open.

The rational approach would be to say Harris will win fairly comfortably.

Hopefully the American public send a big **** you to Trump and he spends the rest of his days dying slowly on a golf course.

[Ozyhibby]

Well todays the day, polls are officially open.

The rational approach would be to say Harris will win fairly comfortably.

Hopefully the American public send a big **** you to Trump and he spends the rest of his days dying slowly on a golf course.

I’d prefer jail.[emoji1696]


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[Jones28]

I’d prefer jail.[emoji1696]


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A bit like the idea of the Black Knights taking full control, we can but hope but until it happens I won't believe it.

[K-Zazu]

A bit like the idea of the Black Knights taking full control, we can but hope but until it happens I won't believe it.

The SFA wouldn’t allow it anyway. Oops wrong thread.

[DaveF]

CNN digging up plenty of republican voters switching sides. Expected stuff but they are overdoing it a bit. I suppose Fox will be 50 times worse but I ain't flipping to that channel.

[CallumLaidlaw]

CNN digging up plenty of republican voters switching sides. Expected stuff but they are overdoing it a bit. I suppose Fox will be 50 times worse but I ain't flipping to that channel.

In fairness they’ve also spoke to a fair few trump voters. Who I guessed before they confirmed [emoji23]


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[Hibby70]

In fairness they’ve also spoke to a fair few trump voters. Who I guessed before they confirmed [emoji23]


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I've been watching the queues and trying to pick out the Trump supporters. Good guy, good guy, ****, good guy

[Smartie]

I've been watching the queues and trying to pick out the Trump supporters. Good guy, good guy, ****, good guy

A 3:1 “good guy:****” ratio would be more than acceptable here.

I’m actually crazily anxious about this. I know it’s been said and said again but this feels like one of the most consequential events of our lifetimes.

The most powerful country in the world and a historical ally is choosing between 2 drastically different paths.

Someone I know and whose opinion I trust was downplaying the effect that he thought “just one man” could have in a nation with institutions as strong as America.

Then I heard Trump’s detailed description of his dismantling of the “deep state”…

[Keith_M]

So we have two possible outcomes:

1) Trump wins and becomes a manic president determined to exact revenge on his 'enemies'

2) Trump loses, then him and Musk convince loads of their nutjob followers the election was stolen, with the risk of an(other) insurrection and a near civil war situation in parts of the US.


Neither options sound very appealing.

[Smartie]

So we have two possible outcomes:

1) Trump wins and becomes a manic president determined to exact revenge on his 'enemies'

2) Trump loses, then him and Musk convince loads of their nutjob followers the election was stolen, with the risk of an(other) insurrection and a near civil war situation in parts of the US.


Neither options sound very appealing.

Option 2 please.

[Hibs4185]

Was telling my wife this morning that ozyhibby says we are safe from Trump, she then told her parents who maybe told their friends.

No pressure ozy

[Ozyhibby]

So we have two possible outcomes:

1) Trump wins and becomes a manic president determined to exact revenge on his 'enemies'

2) Trump loses, then him and Musk convince loads of their nutjob followers the election was stolen, with the risk of an(other) insurrection and a near civil war situation in parts of the US.


Neither options sound very appealing.

Option 2 is not a problem.


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[Ozyhibby]

Was telling my wife this morning that ozyhibby says we are safe from Trump, she then told her parents who maybe told their friends.

No pressure ozy

I’m sitting here racked with self doubt as well. [emoji51][emoji23]


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[Keith_M]

Option 2 is not a problem.




I have family living in the US, it is a problem for them

[cabbageandribs1875]

(2) David Corn on X: "Happy Election Day. I was at one of Trump's final rallies, and die-hard Trump supporters told me that they will not accept a Harris win as legitimate and that if Trump is declared the loser we can expect violence. Here's my report from Pennsylvania: https://t.co/eWOGhncico" / X (https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1853799141177958843?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1853799141177958843%7Ctwgr% 5E112618af728c8cae5f82ad6cafb358ae0708f148%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rawstory.com%2Ftrump-supporters-violence-2669590698%2F)

i hope the cops use force, a LOT of force if pumpkin heids fanboys/girls storm it this time around, and i'd be fair gutted if any stray bullet found it's way to Trump, although that bullet would have to travel quite a bit to find him cowering away somewhere after inciting it all

[cabbageandribs1875]

not a bad description

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbnAs6XXMAAXylK?format=jpg&name=large

[DaveF]

Republicans seem confident on the basis of the early vote numbers. Not seeing that same degree of confidence from the Harris camp.

[Hibs4185]

Republicans seem confident on the basis of the early vote numbers. Not seeing that same degree of confidence from the Harris camp.

I read about the trump tactics this week. They are expecting him to declare victory in the early hours no matter what. The democrats have a plan to counter it seemingly.

FBI etc are on high alert.

I’m hoping the republican early optimism is a strategy rather than actual numbers based.

It’s very trump to come out and say they are extremely confident, in fact he wouldn’t say anything else.

[Hibs4185]

First exit polls due in 25 mins according to CNN

[Ozyhibby]

I have family living in the US, it is a problem for them

It won’t happen though. US law enforcement is too powerful.


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[Jim44]

So we have two possible outcomes:

1) Trump wins and becomes a manic president determined to exact revenge on his 'enemies'

2) Trump loses, then him and Musk convince loads of their nutjob followers the election was stolen, with the risk of an(other) insurrection and a near civil war situation in parts of the US.


Neither options sound very appealing.

Always thought it was a lose-lose situation.

[Hibs4185]

Boris Johnson on channel 4 FFS

[Northernhibee]

How the **** can this be so close?

[Callum_62]

How the **** can this be so close?Murica.

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[Ozyhibby]

How the **** can this be so close?

It might not be. We’ll know in a couple of hours.
Flicking between CNN and Sky. Nervous.


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[Hiber-nation]

You're guessing wrong. I have no opinion whatsoever on how accurate the polling was. I wouldn't be surprised if a certain demographic in Scotland prefers Trump because of his orangeness. But the idea that Scotland as a whole is not relatively 'progressive' but repeatedly votes to be governed by 'progressive' parties and never votes to be governed by non-'progressive' parties is just bizarre.

Hmmmmmm........https://www.rangersreview.co.uk/author/profile/299128.Mark_McGeoghegan/

[Northernhibee]

It might not be. We’ll know in a couple of hours.
Flicking between CNN and Sky. Nervous.


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The state of democracy the most important issue for US voters, then the economy, then abortion, then immigration, then foreign policy a distant fifth

Kamala voters more likely to care about 1 and 3, Trump voters 2 and 4.

[Ozyhibby]

The state of democracy the most important issue for US voters, then the economy, then abortion, then immigration, then foreign policy a distant fifth

Kamala voters more likely to care about 1 and 3, Trump voters 2 and 4.

And 1 and 3 add up to 49% so that’s good.


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[500miles]

And 1 and 3 add up to 49% so that’s good.


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Trump cult also like to claim they are protecting democracy as well though.

However, if the messaging on tariffs have broke through, then the economy could end up benefitting harris.

[Jones28]

Boris Johnson on channel 4 FFS

Now sitting with Stormy Daniels 😂

[cabbageandribs1875]

and millions upon millions will vote for IT, there's a distinct lack of a moral compass in Yankland

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbjYYQjW0AA1ZMf?format=jpg&name=small

[Smartie]

Now sitting with Stormy Daniels 😂

Just when you think it isn't going to get any more surreal...

[Callum_62]

Boris Johnson is an absolute twat isn't he

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[Smartie]

Boris Johnson is an absolute twat isn't he

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He is, but I prefer when Maitlis lets him speak and show us all exactly how much of a twat he is.

It's been a tough watch in places a he gibbers away trying to get his words out.

[Jones28]

The bbc live tracker has Trump with double the votes Harris has which makes me feel a bit sick.

200k votes counted but still 😂

[Ozyhibby]

The bbc live tracker has Trump with double the votes Harris has which makes me feel a bit sick.

200k votes counted but still [emoji23]

And in Indiana and Kentucky.[emoji23]


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[Bristolhibby]

Independents in Georgia flocking to Trump.

Not good.

J

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm not watching any TV but this is funny, a Grade A tozzer of a man, a pwick Boris Johnson ‘fired’ from Channel 4 US election coverage | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/24703445.boris-johnson-fired-channel-4-us-election-coverage/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGXo7ZleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHX7-BJOinDCFD4kZwvAf22Y6jxGlDD0tqyPBOJy4r9sRo0vJHjO4xq 11nQ_aem_KWb_qBzm889DQweElBRNMQ)

BORIS Johnson has been “fired for banging on about his book” during a guest appearance on Channel 4’s coverage of the US election, according to the programme’s co-host Krishnan Guru-Murthy.

The former UK prime minister was told off for holding up his memoir and plugging it just minutes into the live programme titled America Decides: US Presidential Election.
Channel 4 newsreader Guru-Murthy told Johnson to “put it away” and “stop it, enough” as he twice referenced his new book and attempted to hold it up to viewers.
Guru-Murthy described the former prime minister’s actions as “so cheap”.

[Ozyhibby]

Polls looking right. It’s going to be close.[emoji51]


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[Paul1642]

I said before that I like to keep a track on betting odds.

Trump is now as low as 4/11 and Harris up to 9/4.

I don’t bet at all but if I did £50 on Harris to get £162 back would be tempting.

I think Trump will win.

[cabbageandribs1875]

to win popular vote

2/5 Harris
2/1 pumpkin heid

[cabbageandribs1875]

Trump overtakes Harris in Pennsylvania

win that and it's curtains for decency

[BS44]

NY Times forecasting 78% chance that Trump wins

Oh well, off to bed and hope better news when I get up tomorrow

[Steve20]

Trump is cruising this.

[Ozyhibby]

NY Times forecasting 78% chance that Trump wins

Oh well, off to bed and hope better news when I get up tomorrow

Looks grim. Still hopeful that blue wall holds.[emoji1696]


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[Hibs90]

This is looking horrible. How depressing.

[Andy Bee]

Pray for Ozzy :pray:


Joking aside I've been disappointed by election results plenty times, referendums etc totally gutted but I think this is the first election I've ever witnessed that's genuinely giving me a level of fear.

[Hibrandenburg]

Not looking great. Hopefully like last time and blue pips red at the posts.