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Ozyhibby
19-07-2024, 06:47 PM
Russia would have done a better job. Still laugh at the first year of the war when they found a house used by Ukrainian hidden agents in Moscow and the walls were full of pictures of the fuhrer, books on how to be a spy and a weapons stash like rambo

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CropleyWasGod
19-07-2024, 06:54 PM
More of a crime is Trump's insistence on using Hold On, Im Coming as his campaign song.

He should be arrested for that alone.

lapsedhibee
19-07-2024, 07:03 PM
Russia would have done a better job. Still laugh at the first year of the war when they found a house used by Ukrainian hidden agents in Moscow and the walls were full of pictures of the fuhrer, books on how to be a spy and a weapons stash like rambo
Clincher :agree:

Hibrandenburg
19-07-2024, 08:44 PM
How many people do you reckon were involved in this plot to let the lad with mental health problems shoot the president. Surely a dozen secret service, higher ups team leaders, management that wanted it done, was the shooter in on it.

If your right it will be out within the year as not a hope in hell you contain that info

If you read my posts properly, you'll see I don't reckon there was a plot. :rolleyes:

Jim44
19-07-2024, 09:29 PM
Regrettably, is it not time to change the title of this thread to ‘Donald Trump, President Elect of the USA.’

JohnM1875
19-07-2024, 09:49 PM
Regrettably, is it not time to change the title of this thread to ‘Donald Trump, President Elect of the USA.’Used to think The Boys was just a parody as well. Worrying times

Stairway 2 7
20-07-2024, 04:08 AM
Regrettably, is it not time to change the title of this thread to ‘Donald Trump, President Elect of the USA.’

He's only 1 point ahead in the polls, that's not usually enough for a guaranteed win in the US. Do think he will win though depressingly

Caversham Green
20-07-2024, 07:20 AM
How many people do you reckon were involved in this plot to let the lad with mental health problems shoot the president. Surely a dozen secret service, higher ups team leaders, management that wanted it done, was the shooter in on it.

If your right it will be out within the year as not a hope in hell you contain that info

What if it was just the sniper that eventually shot the kid? Says over the radio "OK guys I've got him my sights no need to go up there" while thinking "I might just let him take the shot first".

The bit that amazes me is just how lucky Trump was. When you think how close his ears are to the rest of his head the angle must have been absolutely perfect for the bullet to hit one and miss the other.

The problem now is that the loony bible thumpers are calling it a miracle and declaring that he really is The Chosen One. Hopefully they would all have voted for him anyway so it won't affect voting numbers.

Stairway 2 7
20-07-2024, 07:52 AM
What if it was just the sniper that eventually shot the kid? Says over the radio "OK guys I've got him my sights no need to go up there" while thinking "I might just let him take the shot first".

The bit that amazes me is just how lucky Trump was. When you think how close his ears are to the rest of his head the angle must have been absolutely perfect for the bullet to hit one and miss the other.

The problem now is that the loony bible thumpers are calling it a miracle and declaring that he really is The Chosen One. Hopefully they would all have voted for him anyway so it won't affect voting numbers.

The burden of proof should always be on the conspiracy theorist. A bird pood on me yesterday, maybe it was sent by big government maybe not. Right show me the evidence to say it was don't just say maybe it was or that theory will be ignored. If anything comes up rather than maybe or what if I'll listen but the boring truths is trump was lucky and was almost killed by someone with mental health difficulties. The crime is American gun laws

One of the big theories was two shooter one on the water tower, obviously no proof. But that is put apart here. Shows three shots were fired hitting trump and one other, second volley was uncontrolled killed Corey Comperatore and hit another. The sniper prevented more deaths happening

https://x.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1814300337299165562

grunt
20-07-2024, 08:03 AM
The burden of proof should always be on the conspiracy theorist. Here's someone who doesn't know what the word "theory" means.

Caversham Green
20-07-2024, 08:19 AM
The burden of proof should always be on the conspiracy theorist. A bird pood on me yesterday, maybe it was sent by big government maybe not. Right show me the evidence to say it was don't just say maybe it was or that theory will be ignored. If anything comes up rather than maybe or what if I'll listen but the boring truths is trump was lucky and was almost killed by someone with mental health difficulties. The crime is American gun laws

One of the big theories was two shooter one on the water tower, obviously no proof. But that is put apart here. Shows three shots were fired hitting trump and one other, second volley was uncontrolled killed Corey Comperatore and hit another. The sniper prevented more deaths happening

https://x.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1814300337299165562

None of that addresses what I suggested in my post - I think the full conspiracy is close to impossible, do you think that about what I've actually suggested?


Here's someone who doesn't know what the word "theory" means.

Indeed - I'm not trying to prove what happened, I'm suggesting a scenario that seems possible.

Stairway 2 7
20-07-2024, 08:25 AM
Here's someone who doesn't know what the word "theory" means.

You can know what it means a categories them into theory with zero basis other than what if or theories with evidence. I like theories with evidence as they can be shown to be wrong like the covid vaccine had a chip in it, it didn't this is why. No evidence theories like what if covid was created by the WEF to kill us, you've no evidence other than what if so why even say it, it's can't be disproven as there is just a feeling

Stairway 2 7
20-07-2024, 08:32 AM
None of that addresses what I suggested in my post - I think the full conspiracy is close to impossible, do you think that about what I've actually suggested?



Indeed - I'm not trying to prove what happened, I'm suggesting a scenario that seems possible.

He says in the replies it took 12 seconds for the sniper to hear the first shot target and kill the attacker. There is videos of the sniper flinching when he hears the shot aiming and killing him. He probably saved other lives. There is zero other evidence to say anything else

Your theory a trained agent knowing he would be getting filmed from multiple angles, choose to risk giving up his career and freedom by seeing him and letting him shoot. If that is true it will come out his superiors and investigators would soon find out and he would know that. It seems far far more unlikely than the boring truth. If any evidence comes out that changes that obviously I'd lean a different way

Caversham Green
20-07-2024, 08:38 AM
He says in the replies it took 12 seconds for the sniper to hear the first shot target and kill the attacker. There is videos of the sniper flinching when he hears the shot aiming and killing him. He probably saved other lives. There is zero other evidence to say anything else

Your theory a trained agent knowing he would be getting filmed from multiple angles, choose to risk giving up his career and freedom by seeing him and letting him shoot. If that is true it will come out his superiors and investigators would soon find out and he would know that. It seems far far more unlikely than the boring truth. If any evidence comes out that changes that obviously I'd lean a different way

The evidence I'm seeing is that the security services were fully aware that there was someone on that roof with a rifle yet they did nothing until fatal shots were fired. Why do you think that happened?

Callum_62
20-07-2024, 08:39 AM
I'm no gun expert but another question I have is why so few shots?

The initial volley was only 3 shots with fairly long pauses between each. This followed a longer pause then the 2nd volley started

Surely you'd be firing as quickly as you possibly could knowing you have seconds to live?

I know the AR15 is 1 shot 1 pull but it seems way more measured than I imagine

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Stairway 2 7
20-07-2024, 08:58 AM
The evidence I'm seeing is that the security services were fully aware that there was someone on that roof with a rifle yet they did nothing until fatal shots were fired. Why do you think that happened?

Poor planning. It was happening in real time and not in hindsight. People were shouting things at a Trump rally it would be hard to discern what they were saying. As soon as he shot he was killed 12 seconds later. It must be hard to secure a football pitch and a half away from Trump and Biden at all times. What evidence have you seen I've seen people shouting and pointing 130metres away from where all eyes were. I don't think ordinary police officers or forces let people die

In Japan the ex PM was assassinated from 5 foot away in 2002, Slovakias PM shot from 5 feet away this year, Bolsanaro was stabbed in Brazil at a rally. It's hard to stop lunatics, unless they were all planned too

Caversham Green
20-07-2024, 09:11 AM
Poor planning. It was happening in real time and not in hindsight. People were shouting things at a Trump rally it would be hard to discern what they were saying. As soon as he shot he was killed 12 seconds later. It must be hard to secure a football pitch and a half away from Trump and Biden at all times. What evidence have you seen I've seen people shouting and pointing 130metres away from where all eyes were. I don't think ordinary police officers or forces let people die

In Japan the ex PM was assassinated from 5 foot away in 2002, Slovakias PM shot from 5 feet away this year, Bolsanaro was stabbed in Brazil at a rally. It's hard to stop lunatics, unless they were all planned too

We're going to have to agree to disagree here - there are as many holes in your theory as there are in mine so it's all a bit pointless.

But I am NOT suggesting any of this was planned, I'm suggesting that one officer wanted Trump to be shot.

Moulin Yarns
20-07-2024, 09:16 AM
What isn't being said in all the speculation and counter speculation is that a police officer climbed up, the boy pointed his gun and the officer ducked below the roof. All before the first shot. Why did the security snipers not get the information?

Stairway 2 7
20-07-2024, 09:21 AM
We're going to have to agree to disagree here - there are as many holes in your theory as there are in mine so it's all a bit pointless.

But I am NOT suggesting any of this was planned, I'm suggesting that one officer wanted Trump to be shot.

Mines isn't a theory I'm just saying what is known a 20 year old shot at Trump and missed he was then killed. Yours and all the other suggestion has no evidence I've seen. There is always going to be things we don't know. The burden of proof is on those making the suggestions.

Caversham Green
20-07-2024, 09:27 AM
Mines isn't a theory I'm just saying what is known a 20 year old shot at Trump and missed he was then killed. Yours and all the other suggestion has no evidence I've seen. There is always going to be things we don't know. The burden of proof is on those making the suggestions.

You're theorising that the delay was down to poor planning and that the trained sniper with a dedicated sniper rifle couldn't take a shot while an untrained kid with an AR15 managed to very narrowly miss an admittedly huge orange target. That seems unlikely to me.

And I'm now officially out.

Stairway 2 7
20-07-2024, 09:29 AM
What isn't being said in all the speculation and counter speculation is that a police officer climbed up, the boy pointed his gun and the officer ducked below the roof. All before the first shot. Why did the security snipers not get the information?

According to AP it was a local police officer who went to check what the people were talking about. He had the gun pointed at him so jumped back down. It says Crooks quickly took the shot just after that, so he was rushed.

There is no way a local police officer in sees a gun, reports to his commanders, who passes to secret services to stop anything in time

https://apnews.com/article/trump-rally-assassination-attempt-db24c5bfbbe7d09fa2437c3c836bb434

Stairway 2 7
20-07-2024, 09:33 AM
You're theorising that the delay was down to poor planning and that the trained sniper with a dedicated sniper rifle couldn't take a shot while an untrained kid with an AR15 managed to very narrowly miss an admittedly huge orange target. That seems unlikely to me.

And I'm now officially out.

I'm not theorising there was any delay. It happened in real time not instant replay looking back. From the video he flinched aimed killed the guy, seems very normal. Your theorising he wanted the president killed with no basis

Caversham Green
20-07-2024, 09:41 AM
I'm not theorising there was any delay. It happened in real time not instant replay looking back. From the video he flinched aimed killed the guy, seems very normal. Your theorising he wanted the president killed with no basis

This is why I'm out - we're going round in circles - there was a delay or the kid would never have taken the shot. That's a fact.

Stairway 2 7
20-07-2024, 09:49 AM
This is why I'm out - we're going round in circles - there was a delay or the kid would never have taken the shot. That's a fact.This is a good angle from above. Crooks was at the other side of a sloped roof from the sniper he was only seen when he went to the top and fired. This is happening in real time not in hindsight and it's unexpected https://x.com/2againsttyranny/status/1812365470995276084The videos show the sniper jump when a shot is fired, go to his hun kill him. Lots of evidence for that account is there any at all for he chose for the president to be assassinated

Caversham Green
20-07-2024, 09:56 AM
This is a good angle from above. Crooks was at the other side of a sloped roof from the sniper he was only seen when he went to the top and fired. This is happening in real time not in hindsight and it's unexpected https://x.com/2againsttyranny/status/1812365470995276084The videos show the sniper jump when a shot is fired, go to his hun kill him. Lots of evidence for that account is there any at all for he chose for the president to be assassinated

I refer you to my previous posts. Please read and try to comprehend.

J-C
20-07-2024, 10:06 AM
My mate on FB just posted this.

Trump pays tribute to the retired firefighter who took the bullet meant for him.
Absolute bonkers.
The word allegedly is that it was a shard of glass from the teleprompter hit by the bullet that caused Trumps injury and not the actual bullet but that would spoil the story tale.


There's a pic of Trump kissing a fireman's helmet.

Colr
20-07-2024, 12:52 PM
There's a pic of Trump kissing a fireman's helmet.

Is that a euphemism?

Hibrandenburg
20-07-2024, 01:31 PM
The burden of proof should always be on the conspiracy theorist. A bird pood on me yesterday, maybe it was sent by big government maybe not. Right show me the evidence to say it was don't just say maybe it was or that theory will be ignored. If anything comes up rather than maybe or what if I'll listen but the boring truths is trump was lucky and was almost killed by someone with mental health difficulties. The crime is American gun laws

One of the big theories was two shooter one on the water tower, obviously no proof. But that is put apart here. Shows three shots were fired hitting trump and one other, second volley was uncontrolled killed Corey Comperatore and hit another. The sniper prevented more deaths happening

https://x.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1814300337299165562

And yet you already seem to have decided what went down and why. What is already backed by fact, why I'm guessing your theory is as good as the next man's at the moment.

Stairway 2 7
20-07-2024, 01:58 PM
And yet you already seem to have decided what went down and why. What is already backed by fact, why I'm guessing your theory is as good as the next man's at the moment.

I've not decided its the given series of events and I believe it. A 20 year old climbed up a building shot at Trump and missed as trump moved his head. He was spotted and killed. He Googled Trump and Bidens movements an opportunity came up he took it. A sad story pretty boring.

As the days have gone I've not seen anything credible to change that rather than people saying what if or maybe. If evidence comes out that changes that I'd believe it. The opposite has happened to every theory I've seen though. If anything comes out that changes that and it would come out then I'll definitely post it here.

J-C
20-07-2024, 04:06 PM
Is that a euphemism?

Haha, the pic was a fireman's jacket and helmet with Trump leaning over giving the helmet a kiss.

I posted it because there are many stories floating around and this was just another.

greenginger
20-07-2024, 06:12 PM
I've not decided its the given series of events and I believe it. A 20 year old climbed up a building shot at Trump and missed as trump moved his head. He was spotted and killed. He Googled Trump and Bidens movements an opportunity came up he took it. A sad story pretty boring. As the days have gone I've not seen anything credible to change that rather than people saying what if or maybe. If evidence comes out that changes that I'd believe it. The opposite has happened to every theory I've seen though. If anything comes out that changes that and it would come out then I'll definitely post it here.It was reported the explosive devices were found in the shooters car/house.Were they something a 20 year old nerd could acquire himself ?

Colr
20-07-2024, 06:42 PM
Trump is clearly trying to channel Dirk Lehman

JohnM1875
20-07-2024, 06:43 PM
Trump is clearly trying to channel Dirk Lehman

😂😂 genius

Stairway 2 7
20-07-2024, 07:39 PM
It was reported the explosive devices were found in the shooters car/house.Were they something a 20 year old nerd could acquire himself ?

I assume if poor young people in Syria can improvise explosives then young Americans with the Internet can. I've no idea though, I've not seen anything it was planted or he was put up to it ?

cabbageandribs1875
20-07-2024, 11:19 PM
oh boy https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1814490609505259808 Marjorie Greene is freakin nuts like the rest of them in the cult of Trump

cabbageandribs1875
21-07-2024, 01:14 AM
Project 2025 https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1814095647135474126

greenginger
21-07-2024, 08:15 AM
Project 2025 https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1814095647135474126Project 2025 is the production of the Heritage Foundation , a right wing pressure group not Trumps agenda.https://eu.usatoday.com/videos/news/politics/2024/07/20/trump-i-dont-want-to-know-anything-about-project-2025/74485126007/Is it going to be the Democrats 2016 Steele dossier or 2020 Hunter Biden laptop a Russian plant .

silverhibee
21-07-2024, 02:24 PM
His ear looks just fine.

Berwickhibby
21-07-2024, 02:35 PM
Currently in the States and the amount of red “make America Great again” BB caps on yank heads is concerning

Hiber-nation
21-07-2024, 05:52 PM
Biden withdraws!

Ozyhibby
21-07-2024, 05:57 PM
Biden withdraws!

Fine man. Leaves a great legacy.[emoji122]


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Bristolhibby
21-07-2024, 06:00 PM
Currently in the States and the amount of red “make America Great again” BB caps on yank heads is concerning

Are you in Florida? If so, don’t worry.

J

Bristolhibby
21-07-2024, 06:02 PM
Biden withdraws!

Trump wanted to Fight. Now he’s got one. Polls show most Democrats other than Biden will beat Trump.

Let’s get a young dashing candidate. Tame to flip the tables on bumbling Trump (who’s too old).

Also for pettiness sake, I’d like them to be an indisputable great golfer.

J

Ozyhibby
21-07-2024, 06:07 PM
Trump wanted to Fight. Now he’s got one. Polls show most Democrats other than Biden will beat Trump.

Let’s get a young dashing candidate. Tame to flip the tables on bumbling Trump (who’s too old).

Also for pettiness sake, I’d like them to be an indisputable great golfer.

J

Good chance it’s Harris. The $250m he has raised so far can only be used by her. Everyone else is at a standing start.
This will energise the dems, so long as a massive fight doesn’t break out.


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Jim44
21-07-2024, 06:17 PM
Trump wanted to Fight. Now he’s got one. Polls show most Democrats other than Biden will beat Trump.

Let’s get a young dashing candidate. Tame to flip the tables on bumbling Trump (who’s too old).

Also for pettiness sake, I’d like them to be an indisputable great golfer.

J

If only a new opponent could beat Trump 🙏🏼 but I think it’s too late. Trump has the election in his back pocket. If the assassination attempt hadn’t happened, I think the result would be up for grabs. Trump will get 100% Republican votes, most fence sitter votes and even a number of sympathy snowflake Democratic votes.

Keith_M
21-07-2024, 06:18 PM
Biden has stood down.

Better late than never

Ozyhibby
21-07-2024, 06:20 PM
If only a new opponent could beat Trump [emoji1374] but I think it’s too late. Trump has the election in his back pocket. If the assassination attempt hadn’t happened, I think the result would be up for grabs. Trump will get 100% Republican votes, most fence sitter votes and even a number of sympathy snowflake Democratic votes.

Polls haven’t moved since assassination attempt. Doubt it makes a difference four months from now.


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Ozyhibby
21-07-2024, 06:30 PM
https://x.com/gretchenwhitmer/status/1815087955104473367?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Looks like whitmer not running. Harris looking more likely.


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Keith_M
21-07-2024, 06:31 PM
George Clooney for President?

:greengrin:

Stairway 2 7
21-07-2024, 06:42 PM
Biden endorses Harris, will win comfortably I think

Ozyhibby
21-07-2024, 06:43 PM
Biden endorses Harris, will win comfortably I think

Be great if it’s a nice clean handover.[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]


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BroxburnHibee
21-07-2024, 06:48 PM
Be great if it’s a nice clean handover.[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]


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It needs to be......

Ozyhibby
21-07-2024, 07:22 PM
Clinton’s backing Harris.[emoji106]


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DaveF
21-07-2024, 07:25 PM
Some typically unclassy comments from the blob that is Trump. It's utterly incomprehensible that people can vote for this madman.

BroxburnHibee
21-07-2024, 07:31 PM
With the Clintons backing Harris it really cant be anyone else now without a **** show at the convention.

Both they and the Obama's would've played a big part in convincing Biden his time was up. I expect a statement from Barack will soon appear

DaveF
21-07-2024, 07:36 PM
It's correct that Biden steps aside but is the US ready to vote for a black woman as President?

I'm not sure it is.

Ozyhibby
21-07-2024, 07:38 PM
With the Clintons backing Harris it really cant be anyone else now without a **** show at the convention.

Both they and the Obama's would've played a big part in convincing Biden his time was up. I expect a statement from Barack will soon appear

I think it’s all about the VP pick now. Only one to watch now is Newsome. He can’t be VP so may feel he wants to go for it but I really doubt it. He won’t have the backers, money or time to mount an effective campaign against Harris at such short notice. He has plenty time in future.


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Ozyhibby
21-07-2024, 07:39 PM
It's correct that Biden steps aside but is the US ready to vote for a black woman as President?

I'm not sure it is.

Against Trump I think they will.


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BroxburnHibee
21-07-2024, 07:51 PM
Obama statement is out but tellingly he doesn't endorse anyone

DaveF
21-07-2024, 07:51 PM
Obama issues a statement. No backing for Harris in it.

Hiber-nation
21-07-2024, 08:06 PM
Obama issues a statement. No backing for Harris in it.

And Michelle's not running apparently.

Moulin Yarns
21-07-2024, 08:21 PM
Currently in the States and the amount of red “make America Great again” BB caps on yank heads is concerning

To be honest, in the run up to the election a few weeks ago all I saw was SNP and Libdems with the occasional alba and reform and very few Labour. That was from Perthshire to John o'groats. See how that worked out!!

marinello59
21-07-2024, 09:23 PM
To be honest, in the run up to the election a few weeks ago all I saw was SNP and Libdems with the occasional alba and reform and very few Labour. That was from Perthshire to John o'groats. See how that worked out!!

Yiu traveled a fair bit during the election then. :greengrin

marinello59
21-07-2024, 09:24 PM
I know they are biased but CNN has been pretty informative tonight.

marinello59
21-07-2024, 10:05 PM
I know they are biased but CNN has been pretty informative tonight.

Aljazeera giving some really widespread coverage. Worth tuning in to.

Berwickhibby
21-07-2024, 11:06 PM
Are you in Florida? If so, don’t worry.

J

In California, Quite a few in San Francisco not so many in Los Angeles

JimBHibees
21-07-2024, 11:11 PM
Fox News in us is horrific. Full on Harris bashing. Campaign will be utterly vile.

Ozyhibby
21-07-2024, 11:29 PM
In California, Quite a few in San Francisco not so many in Los Angeles

Those will be solid blue states come November.


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GlesgaeHibby
22-07-2024, 06:33 AM
And Michelle's not running apparently.Reckon there's a decent chance she will. Hypothetical poll of Biden alternatives had her as the only candidate to beat Trumphttps://x.com/Ground_app/status/1808630845001044043?t=oDzHegvt2eX6EpKLo5tbdA&s=19

Moulin Yarns
22-07-2024, 07:39 AM
Yiu traveled a fair bit during the election then. :greengrin

I was on holiday up north the last week of June.

Ozyhibby
22-07-2024, 08:17 AM
Reckon there's a decent chance she will. Hypothetical poll of Biden alternatives had her as the only candidate to beat Trumphttps://x.com/Ground_app/status/1808630845001044043?t=oDzHegvt2eX6EpKLo5tbdA&s=19

I think there is almost zero chance she runs. She has shown no interest so far and is untested. If she ever decides in future it will be in a longer campaign and not against a VP.


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Stairway 2 7
22-07-2024, 09:45 AM
I think she jumps up once nominated as people usually do. All his material about Biden being old is getting ripped up incase it's used against him. I don't think he'll like the debates against a trained lawyer, definitely a race is on

Manu Raju
@mkraju
CNN Poll of Polls
June 28-July 18
POTENTIAL 2024 ELECTORATE
Choice For President

NO CLEAR LEADER

Trump 48%
Harris 47%

(This is CNN’s average of six most recent national polls, conducted after the debate.)

Ozyhibby
22-07-2024, 09:53 AM
I think she jumps up once nominated as people usually do. All his material about Biden being old is getting ripped up incase it's used against him. I don't think he'll like the debates against a trained lawyer, definitely a race is on

Manu Raju
@mkraju
CNN Poll of Polls
June 28-July 18
POTENTIAL 2024 ELECTORATE
Choice For President

NO CLEAR LEADER

Trump 48%
Harris 47%

(This is CNN’s average of six most recent national polls, conducted after the debate.)

They need to stop using national polls. They should just poll the main purple states as that is where this will be won and lost. Harris will rack up millions of extra votes in California and Trump will do the same in Texas but it won’t change much either way. Both candidates will be focussed on key states that are in play to flip either way.


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Stairway 2 7
22-07-2024, 10:08 AM
They need to stop using national polls. They should just poll the main purple states as that is where this will be won and lost. Harris will rack up millions of extra votes in California and Trump will do the same in Texas but it won’t change much either way. Both candidates will be focussed on key states that are in play to flip either way.


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Yeah I agree but it does show she's had about a 0.8% bump from Biden and I think one she's confirmed it's tight. It's certainly not the formality some are saying in my opinion

Sylar
22-07-2024, 10:56 AM
Yeah I agree but it does show she's had about a 0.8% bump from Biden and I think one she's confirmed it's tight. It's certainly not the formality some are saying in my opinion

DaveF made the point a few pages back - she needs to overcome being a woman/person of colour in what is still a misogynistic and racist political system...obviousy Obama proved it's not impossible, but I'm concerned being a woman will go against her for many.

But she is a safer, and more logical choice (from a campaign fund perspective if nothing else!) than any other possible candidates.

JimBHibees
22-07-2024, 11:32 AM
DaveF made the point a few pages back - she needs to overcome being a woman/person of colour in what is still a misogynistic and racist political system...obviousy Obama proved it's not impossible, but I'm concerned being a woman will go against her for many.

But she is a safer, and more logical choice (from a campaign fund perspective if nothing else!) than any other possible candidates.

Agree that is a huge factor in the US hopefully common sense prevails though have my doubts

SHODAN
22-07-2024, 01:41 PM
I think she jumps up once nominated as people usually do. All his material about Biden being old is getting ripped up incase it's used against him. I don't think he'll like the debates against a trained lawyer, definitely a race is on Manu Raju @mkraju CNN Poll of Polls June 28-July 18 POTENTIAL 2024 ELECTORATE Choice For President NO CLEAR LEADER Trump 48% Harris 47% (This is CNN’s average of six most recent national polls, conducted after the debate.) Given the way the electoral college is weighted, you really need at least a five point lead in the national vote to get the swing states on board for a Democratic win. Anything less than that will be a Republican victory.

Keith_M
22-07-2024, 06:00 PM
And Michelle's not running apparently.
Reckon there's a decent chance she will. Hypothetical poll of Biden alternatives had her as the only candidate to beat Trumphttps://x.com/Ground_app/status/1808630845001044043?t=oDzHegvt2eX6EpKLo5tbdA&s=19 I personally don't have any issues with Michelle Obama or Hilary Clinton... well, maybe a bit with Clinton... but Biden and two ex-Presidents' wives as the Democrat candidates?

:rolleyes:

Ozyhibby
22-07-2024, 06:10 PM
I personally don't have any issues with Michelle Obama or Hilary Clinton... well, maybe a bit with Clinton... but Biden and two ex-Presidents' wives as the Democrat candidates?

:rolleyes:

They are not candidates though?


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Ozyhibby
22-07-2024, 06:11 PM
Pelosi and Jeffries backing Harris now. Hard to see anyone standing against her now.


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Callum_62
22-07-2024, 08:09 PM
Twitter and the American right is a complete abomination

I tend to stay away from Twitter now but I have the odd peak and it's such a sad read

Zero compassion or humanity about it

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silverhibee
22-07-2024, 10:04 PM
Twitter and the American right is a complete abomination

I tend to stay away from Twitter now but I have the odd peak and it's such a sad read

Zero compassion or humanity about it

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Elon Musk and his Fredo posts, deary me he really is a utter tool.

Ozyhibby
22-07-2024, 10:40 PM
Harris impressive in that speech there.[emoji106]
Nice to see a candidate with some life.


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Callum_62
23-07-2024, 01:21 AM
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1815509563522920918?t=2uV98NGLYyENxiDakaqI1A&s=19

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cabbageandribs1875
23-07-2024, 02:30 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/44-000-black-women-raised-1-5-million-for-kamala-harris-in-3-hours-on-a-zoom-call-that-crashed-the-online-meeting-platform/ar-BB1qr0DJ?ocid=socialshare&cvid=ba78b0bc8a1341f0dcf13742ea1da842&ei=7 A Zoom event with 44,000 Black women supporting Kamala Harris reportedly raised $1.5 million.

Stairway 2 7
23-07-2024, 05:42 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/44-000-black-women-raised-1-5-million-for-kamala-harris-in-3-hours-on-a-zoom-call-that-crashed-the-online-meeting-platform/ar-BB1qr0DJ?ocid=socialshare&cvid=ba78b0bc8a1341f0dcf13742ea1da842&ei=7 A Zoom event with 44,000 Black women supporting Kamala Harris reportedly raised $1.5 million.

Her fundraising has been phenomenal this week, many donors were just wanting anyone else

J-C
23-07-2024, 06:53 AM
Notice Trump has reverted to type with a nasty personal attack on Harris, his turning a new leaf since the assination attempt didn't last long.

Ozyhibby
23-07-2024, 08:54 AM
https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1815503440983867598?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

I’m still confident Trump loses and that this guy hurts him more than helps.


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DaveF
23-07-2024, 09:41 AM
https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1815503440983867598?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

I’m still confident Trump loses and that this guy hurts him more than helps.


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He is well suited to Trump. How this sort of stuff has become normalised in the US is incredible. How can anyone with a functioning brain cell contemplate voting for these idiots.

Stairway 2 7
23-07-2024, 10:47 AM
https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1815503440983867598?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

I’m still confident Trump loses and that this guy hurts him more than helps.


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That's deplorable, sad wee man. The fact that he wants to ban ivf whilst saying this furthers his cruelty. Does this dweeb think he has more of a stake in America than childless George Washington

overdrive
23-07-2024, 11:08 AM
He is well suited to Trump. How this sort of stuff has become normalised in the US is incredible. How can anyone with a functioning brain cell contemplate voting for these idiots.

I fear with the rise of Trump's mate Nigel, that we probably won't be too far away from stuff like that being normalised here. The 'funny' thing is, a lot of the people coming out with or supporting this sort of thing seem to be 'extreme' Christians and will probably be the sort that describe people following 'extreme' Islam as terrorists. They are essentially extreme Christian terrorists.

overdrive
23-07-2024, 11:11 AM
That's deplorable, sad wee man. The fact that he wants to ban ivf whilst saying this furthers his cruelty. Does this dweeb think he has more of a stake in America than childless George Washington

If Trump does win, he'll be worse this time round. Last time you felt Pence did try to reign him in at times or if he didn't at least looked embarrassed by him sometimes. This time, the VP is arguably worse than Trump and will be encouraging him on.

lapsedhibee
23-07-2024, 11:42 AM
the VP is arguably worse than Trump and will be encouraging him on.

Definitely don't want Trump egged on, except in a strictly John Prescott sort of a way. :agree:

s.a.m
23-07-2024, 01:04 PM
If Trump does win, he'll be worse this time round. Last time you felt Pence did try to reign him in at times or if he didn't at least looked embarrassed by him sometimes. This time, the VP is arguably worse than Trump and will be encouraging him on.The first time round, I think he was also hampered by his lack of experience and knowledge of government and how things work, and couldn't carry out some of his grimmer plans. He's said that this time, he'll be replacing governmet lawyers and key officials with loyalists.

Keith_M
23-07-2024, 03:25 PM
They are not candidates though? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sorry, I didn't make it clear: Clinton was the candidate in 2016, Biden in 2020 and the poster suggested Obama was/is being considered this time. Just seems such a narrow and unimaginative group in a country of over 300 million people.

BroxburnHibee
23-07-2024, 03:50 PM
Trump picked Vance because he promised to do what Pence wouldn't.

Ozyhibby
23-07-2024, 04:11 PM
Sorry, I didn't make it clear: Clinton was the candidate in 2016, Biden in 2020 and the poster suggested Obama was/is being considered this time. Just seems such a narrow and unimaginative group in a country of over 300 million people.

Biden has been an excellent President though. He has been a good pick.


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Ozyhibby
23-07-2024, 05:44 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240723/dfaa16910e8d749c04fd05d9770e142f.jpg

Decent start but need purple state polls.


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Callum_62
23-07-2024, 05:51 PM
Totally normal

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1815437477462605891?t=gW-OHGQO9uL2ZCqdHM7OxQ&s=19

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Ozyhibby
23-07-2024, 06:08 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240723/ca16ef0a4b3db3e71ac083779f762322.jpg

Looks like Kennedy hurts Trump more than Harris. Not surprising.


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Kato
23-07-2024, 07:11 PM
Totally normal

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1815437477462605891?t=gW-OHGQO9uL2ZCqdHM7OxQ&s=19

Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using TapatalkI look at a few political articles but that's the first time I've seen this guy at a rally. Angry jambo vibes.

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Stairway 2 7
24-07-2024, 05:37 AM
Trump could be regretting picking Vance who he picked when expecting to face Biden. I saw someone say tough you can't abort you need to have him to full term..

https://newrepublic.com/post/184106/trump-picking-jd-vance-mistake-biden-kamala-harris

Vance is the least liked VP nominee (non-incumbent) since 1980 following his/her party's convention. The average since then has been plus 19, Vance is negative 6 ouch

SHODAN
24-07-2024, 01:27 PM
Trump could be regretting picking Vance who he picked when expecting to face Biden. I saw someone say tough you can't abort you need to have him to full term.. https://newrepublic.com/post/184106/trump-picking-jd-vance-mistake-biden-kamala-harris Vance is the least liked VP nominee (non-incumbent) since 1980 following his/her party's convention. The average since then has been plus 19, Vance is negative 6 ouch That's what Trump gets for picking a millennial, never going to swing boomer votes!

Keith_M
24-07-2024, 05:04 PM
Trump could be regretting picking Vance who he picked when expecting to face Biden. I saw someone say tough you can't abort you need to have him to full term.. https://newrepublic.com/post/184106/trump-picking-jd-vance-mistake-biden-kamala-harris Vance is the least liked VP nominee (non-incumbent) since 1980 following his/her party's convention. The average since then has been plus 19, Vance is negative 6 ouch Wow, they're now claiming that Biden is either dead, or so senile that he's not aware he's no longer the presidential candidate.

What a bunch of wack jobs.

Ozyhibby
24-07-2024, 07:53 PM
Wow, they're now claiming that Biden is either dead, or so senile that he's not aware he's no longer the presidential candidate.

What a bunch of wack jobs.

This is good. If that’s what their campaign is going to be then let them go for it.
Joe’s about to go on tele mind so it might be a hard sell.


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Ozyhibby
24-07-2024, 10:37 PM
Watching Trump speech on CNN just now and I had forgot just how bad he is. The man is a clown.


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Stairway 2 7
25-07-2024, 01:37 PM
Democrats need 3 of these to win. Democrat convention usually brings a bump. A vice president pick from one of these states will help too. Certainly not over already

@EmersonPolling
SWING STATE POLLS with
@thehill

Harris v. Trump

Arizona: Trump 49%, Harris 44%
Georgia: Trump 48%, Harris 46%
Michigan: Trump 46%, Harris 45%
Pennsylvania: Trump 48%, Harris 46%
Wisconsin: Trump 47%, Harris 47%

Bristolhibby
25-07-2024, 07:32 PM
Democrats need 3 of these to win. Democrat convention usually brings a bump. A vice president pick from one of these states will help too. Certainly not over already

@EmersonPolling
SWING STATE POLLS with
@thehill

Harris v. Trump

Arizona: Trump 49%, Harris 44%
Georgia: Trump 48%, Harris 46%
Michigan: Trump 46%, Harris 45%
Pennsylvania: Trump 48%, Harris 46%
Wisconsin: Trump 47%, Harris 47%

Is that live or taken before Biden pulled out?

J

Stairway 2 7
25-07-2024, 08:02 PM
Is that live or taken before Biden pulled out?

J

Day after Biden pulled out

grunt
25-07-2024, 08:18 PM
Arizona: Trump 49%, Harris 44%Georgia: Trump 48%, Harris 46%Michigan: Trump 46%, Harris 45%Pennsylvania: Trump 48%, Harris 46%Wisconsin: Trump 47%, Harris 47%How is it that half of America wants to vote for that ****ing idiot Trump?

Keith_M
25-07-2024, 08:23 PM
Watching Trump speech on CNN just now and I had forgot just how bad he is. The man is a clown. Yep, the man just bumbles endless, incoherent nonsense, e.g.


"They’re coming not just from South America, but from Africa, from Asia, from the Middle East. They’re coming from everywhere. They’re coming from all over the world from prisons and jails, mental institutions, and insane asylums!
You know, they go crazy when I say the late great Hannibal Lecter, ok? They say, “Why would he mention Hannibal Lecter? He must be cognitively in trouble.”
No, no. These are real stories. Hannibal Lecter from Silence of the Lamb. He’s a lovely man. He wants to have you for dinner. He’d like to have you for dinner."


I mean, WTAF!

Ozyhibby
25-07-2024, 08:24 PM
https://x.com/alexhallhall/status/1816568906984693887?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Made me laugh.[emoji23]


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DaveF
25-07-2024, 08:43 PM
https://x.com/alexhallhall/status/1816568906984693887?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Made me laugh.[emoji23]


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That is brilliant.

Ozyhibby
25-07-2024, 11:01 PM
Watching Harris give a speech after her meeting with Netanyahu and it was like she was already President. The more she presents herself like that will be a massive help.
And what she said was better than Biden as well.


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J-C
26-07-2024, 06:53 AM
How is it that half of America wants to vote for that ****ing idiot Trump?

In the same way Johnson got a huge landslide when he was elected, can't fix stupid.

Bostonhibby
26-07-2024, 06:59 AM
How is it that half of America wants to vote for that ****ing idiot Trump?He's going to make America great again, like he did last time.

They really believe it. Putin wants it.

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Lendo
26-07-2024, 07:02 AM
https://x.com/alexhallhall/status/1816568906984693887?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4AMade me laugh.[emoji23]Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat's tremendous

Ozyhibby
26-07-2024, 08:07 AM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240726/ee1e7b7b9771bd95c0e62f4a12842e2d.jpg

Gap is closing. Need to keep Kennedy in the race.


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Ozyhibby
27-07-2024, 07:35 AM
https://x.com/acyn/status/1817007890496102490?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

We won’t be able to say we were not warned.


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USA_Hibee
27-07-2024, 08:12 AM
https://x.com/acyn/status/1817007890496102490?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

We won’t be able to say we were not warned.


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Scary how he says that out loud and people will still vote for him.

Stairway 2 7
27-07-2024, 08:54 AM
28% of Undecideds say immigration is the biggest factor for them which shows why build a wall is winning votes, 57% of republicans, 10% Dems.

2.8 million crossed the border illegally last year but many were also caught. Net migration was about 1.5 million in the US. The US population is 5 times ours and we had net migration of 800k a few years ago. Surprised immigration hasn't been a bigger issue here, Farage with his few seats and the same as vote share as UKIP a decade ago.

Bristolhibby
27-07-2024, 04:03 PM
28% of Undecideds say immigration is the biggest factor for them which shows why build a wall is winning votes, 57% of republicans, 10% Dems.

2.8 million crossed the border illegally last year but many were also caught. Net migration was about 1.5 million in the US. The US population is 5 times ours and we had net migration of 800k a few years ago. Surprised immigration hasn't been a bigger issue here, Farage with his few seats and the same as vote share as UKIP a decade ago.

Because as aging western societies immigration being a bad thing is a misnomer.

We need young working age people to do the **** jobs, pay their taxes, spend in our economy and pay into our pension pots (again pay taxes).

Ralphie May (RIP) makes a great point. Who will pick your salads if it weren’t for Mexicans? Without Mexicans your Caesar Salad would cost $30!

America needs immigrants for its economy to work. The country was founded on immigration. Yet now it’s been told that it’s “full up”. Nonsense.

J

AltheHibby
27-07-2024, 04:28 PM
The stupidity of some of them on immigration is that native Americans have been told to go back to where they came from. 🙄

JimBHibees
28-07-2024, 11:18 AM
The stupidity of some of them on immigration is that native Americans have been told to go back to where they came from. 🙄

So is Trump going back to the Isle of Lewis

Keith_M
28-07-2024, 12:01 PM
So is Trump going back to the Isle of Lewis Funnily enough, he's already married two immigrants.

No mention of sending people back to the Czech Republic or Slovenia, though.

Ozyhibby
28-07-2024, 02:24 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240728/29cc0d3fbb49940b65be056ae60f894c.jpg

That’s pretty big movements in a week.


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BS44
28-07-2024, 05:55 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240726/ee1e7b7b9771bd95c0e62f4a12842e2d.jpg

Gap is closing. Need to keep Kennedy in the race.


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Kennedy offered to endorse Trump for president in exchange for a position in his administration, Trump refused.

Will Trump change his mind as we get nearer the election if Harris is winning in the polls?

Berwickhibby
28-07-2024, 06:12 PM
Just back from the West coast and I was surprised (not pleasantly) to see how many Trump baseball caps being worn and Trump merchandise being sold in shops

cabbageandribs1875
28-07-2024, 10:10 PM
seriously, wtf is wrong with this old man https://x.com/meralhece/status/1817443402100756602 Trump: We will be creating so much electricity that you'll be saying, please, please, president, we don't want any more electricity. We can't stand it. You'll be begging me. No more electricity, sir. We have enough. We have enough. he's a total freakazoid

Ozyhibby
28-07-2024, 10:25 PM
seriously, wtf is wrong with this old man https://x.com/meralhece/status/1817443402100756602 Trump: We will be creating so much electricity that you'll be saying, please, please, president, we don't want any more electricity. We can't stand it. You'll be begging me. No more electricity, sir. We have enough. We have enough. he's a total freakazoid

Seems to be the Harris tactic now is to highlight how weird he is rather than how dangerous he is.


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cabbageandribs1875
29-07-2024, 04:24 AM
exit polls were saying Maduro opposition way ahead, now amazingly it looks like he's won :bitchy: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz5rj2mzgevo The head of the National Electoral Council (CNE), Elvis Amoroso, who is a close ally of Mr Maduro, said that with 80% of votes counted, President Maduro had 51.2% of the vote, compared to 44.2% for his main rival.The Venezuelan opposition has alleged widespread fraud in the counting of votes, and has vowed to challenge the result. this is freakin awful everyone thinking Maduro was out https://x.com/mjfree/status/1817723292255735924 and https://x.com/Out5p0ken/status/1817763945387635087

cabbageandribs1875
29-07-2024, 04:26 AM
Seems to be the Harris tactic now is to highlight how weird he is rather than how dangerous he is. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkshe could easily alternate, he's both after all, thankfully a big backlash from women against comments made by that other PoS Vance

Stairway 2 7
29-07-2024, 05:22 AM
exit polls were saying Maduro opposition way ahead, now amazingly it looks like he's won :bitchy: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz5rj2mzgevo The head of the National Electoral Council (CNE), Elvis Amoroso, who is a close ally of Mr Maduro, said that with 80% of votes counted, President Maduro had 51.2% of the vote, compared to 44.2% for his main rival.The Venezuelan opposition has alleged widespread fraud in the counting of votes, and has vowed to challenge the result. this is freakin awful everyone thinking Maduro was out https://x.com/mjfree/status/1817723292255735924 and https://x.com/Out5p0ken/status/1817763945387635087

As much as I dislike the opposition leader the vote was ridiculous. All the independent polls had the opposition 60% to 30% on average. For the result to be the opposite of that is ridiculous. South American elections are something else ha

Antony Blinken calls it out and the left wing leader of Chile says the result is hard to believe in any serious way and Chile won't honour the result

Colr
29-07-2024, 01:54 PM
she could easily alternate, he's both after all, thankfully a big backlash from women against comments made by that other PoS Vance

JD Vance suggesting women be prevented travelling between states so they can’t avoid abortion ban.

And yet he is one of the swivelled eyed mob screaming about 15minute cities when these just about being able to walk to the shops!!!

Ozyhibby
31-07-2024, 09:16 AM
The ‘Weird’ messaging is really working. What a difference Harris is making after just one week.


#NEW @MorningConsult / Bloomberg News Poll:

MICHIGAN
Harris 53% (+11)
Trump 42%
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WISCONSIN
Harris 49% (+2)
Trump 47%
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ARIZONA
Harris 49% (+2)
Trump 47%
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NEVADA
Harris 47% (+2)
Trump 45%
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GEORGIA
Harris 47%
Trump 47%
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NORTH CAROLINA
Trump 48% (+2)
Harris 46%
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PENNSYLVANIA
Trump 50% (+4)
Harris 46%


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nonshinyfinish
31-07-2024, 01:15 PM
The ‘Weird’ messaging is really working.If that's a major factor then I find it a bit baffling – are people just not paying attention until it's directly pointed out to them? Not complaining obviously.

s.a.m
31-07-2024, 01:44 PM
If that's a major factor then I find it a bit baffling – are people just not paying attention until it's directly pointed out to them? Not complaining obviously.Earlier this year, the Democrats did a survey of 'gettable' non-Trumpy, non-election-denying voters in a few of the swing states, and a very comfortable majority of the people questioned had not heard the threats Trump was making about suspending the constitution, using the forces of law and order or military to oppress his political opponents etc... And there has been a huge amount of learned discussion about the paths to autocracy being laid and comaprisons made with elsewhere and with our own experience of the past... the planned dismantling of institutions that Americans depend on... how this is likely to affect normal Americans... false equivalency in the media, and so on. People either aren't hearing the stuff that's being said by Trump and the pantomine villains who are advising him - out loud and in the open! - , or they aren't hearing or relating to the opposition to it, or they don't see why they shoud care. If an appeal to reason and conscience isn't going to work, maybe pointing and laughing is the answer?

Kato
31-07-2024, 02:09 PM
Earlier this year, the Democrats did a survey of 'gettable' non-Trumpy, non-election-denying voters in a few of the swing states, and a very comfortable majority of the people questioned had not heard the threats Trump was making about suspending the constitution, using the forces of law and order or military to oppress his political opponents etc... And there has been a huge amount of learned discussion about the paths to autocracy being laid and comaprisons made with elsewhere and with our own experience of the past... the planned dismantling of institutions that Americans depend on... how this is likely to affect normal Americans... false equivalency in the media, and so on. People either aren't hearing the stuff that's being said by Trump and the pantomine villains who are advising him - out loud and in the open! - , or they aren't hearing or relating to the opposition to it, or they don't see why they shoud care. If an appeal to reason and conscience isn't going to work, maybe pointing and laughing is the answer?It's like the discussion of the UK exiting the ECHR here. No one in the msm discusses the full repercussions of this. It's framed in context to migrants but the ECHR covers so many rights we take for granted.

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Ozyhibby
31-07-2024, 02:14 PM
Earlier this year, the Democrats did a survey of 'gettable' non-Trumpy, non-election-denying voters in a few of the swing states, and a very comfortable majority of the people questioned had not heard the threats Trump was making about suspending the constitution, using the forces of law and order or military to oppress his political opponents etc... And there has been a huge amount of learned discussion about the paths to autocracy being laid and comaprisons made with elsewhere and with our own experience of the past... the planned dismantling of institutions that Americans depend on... how this is likely to affect normal Americans... false equivalency in the media, and so on. People either aren't hearing the stuff that's being said by Trump and the pantomine villains who are advising him - out loud and in the open! - , or they aren't hearing or relating to the opposition to it, or they don't see why they shoud care. If an appeal to reason and conscience isn't going to work, maybe pointing and laughing is the answer?

I think that everyone who sees Trump as a threat to democracy may already be on board after 8 years of him being on the scene and this new tact may just be working in bringing a few more over.
It’s hard to vote for someone who is becoming a national joke (hence Biden being stood down) and it won’t take much to portray trump and Vance as deeply unserious people.


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Ozyhibby
31-07-2024, 02:19 PM
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s.a.m
31-07-2024, 02:51 PM
It's like the discussion of the UK exiting the ECHR here. No one in the msm discusses the full repercussions of this. It's framed in context to migrants but the ECHR covers so many rights we take for granted.

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Yup. It's depressing.


I think that everyone who sees Trump as a threat to democracy may already be on board after 8 years of him being on the scene and this new tact may just be working in bringing a few more over.
It’s hard to vote for someone who is becoming a national joke (hence Biden being stood down) and it won’t take much to portray trump and Vance as deeply unserious people.


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You're probably right. Maybe they need to take the same approach to some of his wild 'policy' ideas.

Ozyhibby
31-07-2024, 05:31 PM
Type ‘stop calling us weird’ on Twitter search for some fun Maga scrolling.
Harris is proving to be a very smart campaigner.


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McD
01-08-2024, 10:40 AM
Only seen some snippets online but looks like Trump had a nightmare of an interview with three ladies from the National Association of Black Journalists, made himself look quite foolish

J-C
01-08-2024, 11:02 AM
Only seen some snippets online but looks like Trump had a nightmare of an interview with three ladies from the National Association of Black Journalists, made himself look quite foolish

Talking about Harris, said one minute she's Indian the next she's black, wants to make up her mind, she's a mixed race black Asian, so she's both ffs.

Lendo
01-08-2024, 11:29 AM
Talking about Harris, said one minute she's Indian the next she's black, wants to make up her mind, she's a mixed race black Asian, so she's both ffs.

Cringed myself inside out watching that. How can those journalists sit there and listen to this?!

AgentDaleCooper
01-08-2024, 12:32 PM
her campaign, thus far, has been an absolute tour de force, which was not what i was expecting. massive credit to her and her team :aok:

hopefully, if she gets in, she can bring about an actual, proper green new deal that would chase fascism away from the gate.

McD
01-08-2024, 12:55 PM
Cringed myself inside out watching that. How can those journalists sit there and listen to this?!



I think they were letting him tie himself in knots tbh, the clips I’ve seen they were challenging him on the language used by him, his supporters and republicans, they challenged the DEI angle that his people have been pushing,

McD
01-08-2024, 12:55 PM
her campaign, thus far, has been an absolute tour de force, which was not what i was expecting. massive credit to her and her team :aok:

hopefully, if she gets in, she can bring about an actual, proper green new deal that would chase fascism away from the gate.



Here’s hoping mate 🤞

Hibrandenburg
01-08-2024, 01:12 PM
Just checked the Olympic Medals table for shooting and it goes a long way to explaining why the Orange One is still breathing.

Ozyhibby
01-08-2024, 01:39 PM
Just checked the Olympic Medals table for shooting and it goes a long way to explaining why the Orange One is still breathing.

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Ozyhibby
01-08-2024, 07:12 PM
Looks like it’s Shapiro who will get the VP gig. Will help in Pennsylvania.


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Ozyhibby
04-08-2024, 06:12 AM
https://x.com/harryjsisson/status/1819903538195234860?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Things not going well for the fat orange man.


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Ozyhibby
05-08-2024, 11:25 AM
https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1820254498838692022?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Harris moves ahead in national polling.


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Stairway 2 7
05-08-2024, 11:39 AM
https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1820254498838692022?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Harris moves ahead in national polling.


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Silver is usually the closest to being right in America. I'd say it's definitely neck and neck now

Stairway 2 7
06-08-2024, 01:52 PM
Minnesota Governor Tim Walz chosen as VP old fashioned 60yo Midwesterner. He one in a heavy republican seat but was very no nonsense whilst being liberal. Introduced free school lunches, legalised marijuana, pro abortion legislation and tighter gun controls

Ozyhibby
06-08-2024, 05:22 PM
Minnesota Governor Tim Walz chosen as VP old fashioned 60yo Midwesterner. He one in a heavy republican seat but was very no nonsense whilst being liberal. Introduced free school lunches, legalised marijuana, pro abortion legislation and tighter gun controls

He’s very folksy. I’m surprised they went for him but have to admit he has impressed when I’ve seen him.


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cabbageandribs1875
06-08-2024, 07:32 PM
poor auld Donald Trump's efforts to stall sentencing in hush money case fail: 'We will proceed' (msn.com (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-s-efforts-to-stall-sentencing-in-hush-money-case-fail-we-will-proceed/ar-AA1okZvH?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=3f960b57bc8a4a0987e00758365cddde&ei=148)

Ozyhibby
08-08-2024, 10:19 PM
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Kato
08-08-2024, 10:46 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240808/786bbea73b646332d86c6efab4a68109.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHe only likes the "up" times. He'll blow his top soon and/or his dog-whistle.

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Bostonhibby
09-08-2024, 06:34 AM
He only likes the "up" times. He'll blow his top soon and/or his dog-whistle.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkMaybe replacing his running mate will boost his polling?

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Kato
09-08-2024, 07:15 AM
Maybe replacing his running mate will boost his polling?

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkThen he looks unsure.

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Ozyhibby
09-08-2024, 07:19 AM
Then he looks unsure.

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It would look bad for him but ultimately could help. Vance is giving voters the creeps.


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Hibrandenburg
09-08-2024, 07:22 AM
It would look bad for him but ultimately could help. Vance is giving voters the creeps.


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Which is pretty amazing considering how creepy Trump is.

Bostonhibby
09-08-2024, 07:24 AM
It would look bad for him but ultimately could help. Vance is giving voters the creeps.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYep, Vance just helped him consolidate the type of voter who already thinks Trump is the answer to their many individual problems.

He is unlikely to have influenced many undecideds, moderates or just people who look for a bit of personal integrity to vote for the big orange felon.

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Bostonhibby
09-08-2024, 07:27 AM
Then he looks unsure.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkHe definitely isn't going to admit he made a mistake, ever.

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Kato
09-08-2024, 07:54 AM
He definitely isn't going to admit he made a mistake, ever.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkNobody knows more about not admitting their mistakes more than him. Bigly

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Ozyhibby
09-08-2024, 07:56 AM
He definitely isn't going to admit he made a mistake, ever.

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He is pretty good at discarding people who are no longer any use to him. He will just blame someone else for it.
I still don’t see any way that America votes for Trump again. When it comes down to it in November I’m certain they don’t want to go back to that.


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Bostonhibby
09-08-2024, 08:01 AM
He is pretty good at discarding people who are no longer any use to him. He will just blame someone else for it.
I still don’t see any way that America votes for Trump again. When it comes down to it in November I’m certain they don’t want to go back to that.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSeriously hoping you are right.

Problem will then be that the felon simply won't be able to accept a defeat and will want his foot soldiers to storm somewhere or other and beat a few people up to make America great again.

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Ozyhibby
09-08-2024, 08:03 AM
Seriously hoping you are right.

Problem will then be that the felon simply won't be able to accept a defeat and will want his foot soldiers to storm somewhere or other and beat a few people up to make America great again.

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I can cope with that so long as he doesn’t win. I suspect any rioters this time will be met with a stronger response and won’t have the backing of anyone in the White House this time. In fact I think there won’t be any riots without him there to help them out.
I really think he will lose heavily to the point where it’s possible the dems take Florida.


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Bostonhibby
09-08-2024, 08:10 AM
I can cope with that so long as he doesn’t win. I suspect any rioters this time will be met with a stronger response and won’t have the backing of anyone in the White House this time. In fact I think there won’t be any riots without him there to help them out.
I really think he will lose heavily to the point where it’s possible the dems take Florida.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkMy head thinks the same but there's just a niggling doubt elsewhere.

This guy will stop at nothing.

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grunt
09-08-2024, 09:04 AM
I can cope with that so long as he doesn’t win.I'm beginning to wonder if he'll still be GOP candidate in November.

Ozyhibby
09-08-2024, 09:36 AM
I'm beginning to wonder if he'll still be GOP candidate in November.

I wouldn’t rule out him standing down. He has to stay out of jail and if it looks like he’s losing then the wheelchair will come out.


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McD
09-08-2024, 10:11 AM
I can cope with that so long as he doesn’t win. I suspect any rioters this time will be met with a stronger response and won’t have the backing of anyone in the White House this time. In fact I think there won’t be any riots without him there to help them out.
I really think he will lose heavily to the point where it’s possible the dems take Florida.


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Trump himself won’t be able to hide behind being president if it happens again as well, which is his defence against the January 6th capitol happenings

BroxburnHibee
09-08-2024, 12:37 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if he'll still be GOP candidate in November.

I've often thought he would do a deal to avoid jail.

Ozyhibby
09-08-2024, 12:44 PM
I've often thought he would do a deal to avoid jail.

Difficult with so many crimes and different prosecuting authorities. And what does he have to offer?


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Kato
09-08-2024, 01:20 PM
Difficult with so many crimes and different prosecuting authorities. And what does he have to offer?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHis University, his sneaker brand, his NFTs, his casinos and the secret to his hairdo.

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BroxburnHibee
09-08-2024, 01:54 PM
Difficult with so many crimes and different prosecuting authorities. And what does he have to offer?


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His willingness to step aside?

Ozyhibby
09-08-2024, 02:11 PM
His willingness to step aside?

Does that help? The Dems want to win and a new opponent prob doesn’t help. And it’s not in their gift to do a deal anyway.


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BS44
09-08-2024, 05:40 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/the-swiftie-sway-the-power-and-promise-of-the-celebrity-election-endorsement/ar-AA1ow9l7?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=a7a544289ba342498bcce59358401bb6&ei=35

Taylor Swift ready to back Harris?

Ozyhibby
09-08-2024, 11:02 PM
https://x.com/betoorourke/status/1822040954343133503?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

I doubt this happens but shows how far things have moved. I do think Florida is in play though. Abortion is on the ballot there and that will bring lots of Harris voters to the polls.


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cabbageandribs1875
10-08-2024, 12:14 AM
and when you think of all the derogatory comments he's made about Biden, he's just making things up as he goes along, Lie after Lie, he's a degenerate old fantasist :agree: Donald Trump's story of scary helicopter trip is fiction, says Willie Brown - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c985enjgdy9o)


San Francisco's former mayor Willie Brown has dismissed as "fiction" Donald Trump's story that they once endured a scary helicopter trip together.

The former president said on Thursday that he and Mr Brown "went down" in a helicopter together and Mr Brown was "a little concerned".
"We thought maybe this was the end," Trump said. "We were in a helicopter... and there was an emergency landing. This was not a pleasant landing."
Mr Brown, 90, told US media he had never shared a helicopter with Trump, adding: "I don't think I'd want to ride on the same helicopter with him".
Trump, 78, appeared to be confusing Mr Brown with Jerry Brown, California's former governor, with whom he shared a helicopter ride in 2018 to visit the aftermath of the Paradise wildfires. Gavin Newsom, the current state governor, was also on the flight.
Both men told US media there was no emergency landing or danger. "I call complete BS," Mr Newsom told The New York Times.

Trump told his story in response to a question about Willie Brown's relationship with Kamala Harris, 59, in the mid-1990s while she was a California prosecutor.
Trump was asked whether he thought the relationship played a role in Ms Harris's career journey.
"Well, I know Willie Brown very well," Trump said, before speaking of the flight and claiming the former mayor had told him "terrible things" about Ms Harris.
"He had a big part in what happened with Kamala," Trump said.
The former mayor also denied this.
"That's so far-fetched, it's unbelievable," he told, external (https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/willie-brown-says-near-death-experience-with-trump-never-happened/?ipid=promo-link-block1) local TV station KRON. "I could not envision thinking of Kamala Harris in any negative way.
"She's a good friend a long time ago, absolutely beautiful woman, smart as all hell, very successful, electorally speaking.
"He was doing what Donald does best, his creative fiction."
A spokesperson for Jerry Brown also told US media that the former governor did not discuss Ms Harris on the helicopter flight in 2018.

(1) Kamala HQ on X: "Journalist: Trump appears to have just made up an entire story about being in an emergency landing in a helicopter. This is a completely made-up story. It seems to be like a scene from out of a movie. We know Donald Trump doesn't tell the truth about things, but he seems to have https://t.co/RYw28oMPvU" / X (https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1821977322347446529)

Ozyhibby
10-08-2024, 03:03 PM
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Harris getting stronger.[emoji122]


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Ozyhibby
11-08-2024, 07:45 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240811/5a570446f8398914127c4761670fc9a1.jpg

The fat orange man is losing his grip on reality. His campaign appears to be imploding.


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Kato
11-08-2024, 07:50 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240811/5a570446f8398914127c4761670fc9a1.jpg

The fat orange man is losing his grip on reality. His campaign appears to be imploding.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkImagine your sitting on the bus on your own and he got on and sat beside you. Same vibe as that type of sad loon.

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McD
11-08-2024, 07:52 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240811/5a570446f8398914127c4761670fc9a1.jpg

The fat orange man is losing his grip on reality. His campaign appears to be imploding.


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Funny how he comes out with that, right after he was outed as making up the helicopter story, I’m sure it’s just a coincidence

Stairway 2 7
11-08-2024, 08:12 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240811/5a570446f8398914127c4761670fc9a1.jpg

The fat orange man is losing his grip on reality. His campaign appears to be imploding.


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That's brilliant, he said during the week he gets bigger crowds than MLK which is wrong but bizarre to say in the run up to an election even if it wasn't false

Ozyhibby
11-08-2024, 08:20 PM
That's brilliant, he said during the week he gets bigger crowds than MLK which is wrong but bizarre to say in the run up to an election even if it wasn't false

He can’t help it. He’s getting triggered by the comparisons and can’t let it go. Harris seems to know exactly which buttons to push with him as well. Only a matter of time until he starts complaining it’s not Biden again soon.


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Stairway 2 7
12-08-2024, 07:37 PM
Large leads in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan for Kamala. If she wins the three she should be president. She is 1/2 favourite with the bookies for all 3, she was behind 2 weeks ago. She's also now favourite to win

https://x.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1823079254512259265


Trump about to have a live interview with Trump, that should be tough for him...

Ozyhibby
12-08-2024, 07:52 PM
Large leads in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan for Kamala. If she wins the three she should be president. She is 1/2 favourite with the bookies for all 3, she was behind 2 weeks ago. She's also now favourite to win

https://x.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1823079254512259265


Trump about to have a live interview with Trump, that should be tough for him...

Trump appears to be having a mental breakdown. It’s great to watch.


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Keith_M
12-08-2024, 07:53 PM
....

Trump about to have a live interview with Trump, that should be tough for him...


He's talking to a mirror?


I'm sure he'd love that :greengrin

Stairway 2 7
12-08-2024, 08:05 PM
He's talking to a mirror?


I'm sure he'd love that :greengrin

Ha I ****** but was actually very close he's talking to Musk live on twitter. Ideologically similar so I'll give it a miss

Kato
12-08-2024, 09:41 PM
Ha I ****** but was actually very close he's talking to Musk live on twitter. Ideologically similar so I'll give it a missBoth like the idea of civil wars.

I wonder why?

https://x.com/SimsalaMaya/status/1813079193649050051?t=CwlwrfRwmDcfxPXWf6urNA&s=19

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Keith_M
13-08-2024, 06:48 PM
Ha I ****** but was actually very close he's talking to Musk live on twitter. Ideologically similar so I'll give it a miss


OK, so basically the same, then :wink:

cabbageandribs1875
16-08-2024, 01:48 AM
Led By Donkeys have twittered this little bit on project 2025 (3) Led By Donkeys on X: "BREAKING: our friends at @ClimateReport_ have been undercover in Project 2025 - the radical plan for a Trump 2nd term. What they’ve found out is remarkable. Learn all about the secretive “second phase” of Project 2025 here 👇 https://t.co/MCI1X9anc2" / X (https://x.com/ByDonkeys/status/1824070102540505370) i've saw a lot more about it the last few weeks, Trump of course denying he's heard of it.

JimBHibees
16-08-2024, 06:27 AM
Led By Donkeys have twittered this little bit on project 2025 (3) Led By Donkeys on X: "BREAKING: our friends at @ClimateReport_ have been undercover in Project 2025 - the radical plan for a Trump 2nd term. What they’ve found out is remarkable. Learn all about the secretive “second phase” of Project 2025 here 👇 https://t.co/MCI1X9anc2" / X (https://x.com/ByDonkeys/status/1824070102540505370) i've saw a lot more about it the last few weeks, Trump of course denying he's heard of it.

Interesting and hugely scary stuff

Bostonhibby
16-08-2024, 06:54 AM
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1824187096401318126?t=1qtFYvkQ7aGXApKN2npyUw&s=08

Best thing Harris can do is have debates with him, anytime anywhere. Let him talk.

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Ozyhibby
16-08-2024, 07:16 AM
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1824187096401318126?t=1qtFYvkQ7aGXApKN2npyUw&s=08

Best thing Harris can do is have debates with him, anytime anywhere. Let him talk.

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Trump not sure how percentages work. He’d make a good football manager.[emoji23]


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Arch Stanton
19-08-2024, 04:56 PM
Apologies if you already know this stuff but I've only come across it - Forensic psychiatrist Dr Bandy Lee on Trump's mental decline. It's a bit scary (stuff I suspected I suppose) but I was able to follow it all the way through and funnily enough found it quite calming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VI9bgYOwKY

Moulin Yarns
20-08-2024, 07:33 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y87l6rx5wo

Let battle commence!

Ozyhibby
20-08-2024, 07:55 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y87l6rx5wo

Let battle commence!

She’ll sue and win but will be long after November before that happens.
Wonder if she appear at the Dems convention this week?[emoji2369]


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CropleyWasGod
20-08-2024, 07:56 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y87l6rx5wo

Let battle commence!

And here:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crmw77w1707o

Bristolhibby
20-08-2024, 12:14 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y87l6rx5wo

Let battle commence!

She needs to come out and endorse Harris. Put this to bed. It’s not like she’ll lose out. Her Eras tour is completely sold out and the money in the bank.

I saw a video of her raging with her Mum and Dad re Trump and the persecution of woman’s rights, Wade v Roe destruction by the GOP in Tennessee. Her old man was telling her to stay quiet, she was rightly enraged.

J

Edit - here’s the link. Good on you Taylor!

https://youtu.be/bhjSEkkZ2aA?si=-T37fuR7zx08eA0Q

wookie70
20-08-2024, 12:56 PM
She needs to come out and endorse Harris. Put this to bed. It’s not like she’ll lose out. Her Eras tour is completely sold out and the money in the bank.

I saw a video of her raging with her Mum and Dad re Trump and the persecution of woman’s rights, Wade v Roe destruction by the GOP in Tennessee. Her old man was telling her to stay quiet, she was rightly enraged.

J

Edit - here’s the link. Good on you Taylor!

https://youtu.be/bhjSEkkZ2aA?si=-T37fuR7zx08eA0Q

She really does seem like a genuine and caring person.

DaveF
21-08-2024, 09:08 PM
Strong hints that Kennedy will drop out and endorse Trump. Although his vote share is tiny, if it moves to Trump that would be bad news.

Kato
21-08-2024, 10:00 PM
If this is real like Nixon who tried to stymie peace talks with the North Vietnamese before he became president, promising them a better deal if he was elected, Trump is a traitor.

https://x.com/Djinantonix/status/1826320693815820375?t=XdnMqE6-8j827HlOimK7uQ&s=19

Ozyhibby
21-08-2024, 10:08 PM
Strong hints that Kennedy will drop out and endorse Trump. Although his vote share is tiny, if it moves to Trump that would be bad news.

Doesn’t help their ‘we’re not weird’ message much.[emoji23]


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DaveF
22-08-2024, 07:12 AM
Doesn’t help their ‘we’re not weird’ message much.[emoji23]


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True, but if he does endorse and takes those votes with him, it's a big problem I'd think.

Ozyhibby
22-08-2024, 07:18 AM
True, but if he does endorse and takes those votes with him, it's a big problem I'd think.

I don’t believe Trump can win again. I think there is a ceiling for him and it’s below 50% of the vote. I think that will start to show as we get into September and October and Americans start to pay attention and we’ll see Harris start to pull away in the polls.
I don’t think the US wants to go back to Trump.


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grunt
22-08-2024, 08:43 AM
I don’t think the US wants to go back to Trump.
Hope you're right.

Kato
22-08-2024, 09:14 AM
True, but if he does endorse and takes those votes with him, it's a big problem I'd think.As a dem spokesman said last night its a conspiratorial candidate combining with another conspiratorial candidate. It's not a huge amount of people and not all of Kennedy's followers are going to vote for Trump.

Probably cancelled out by the uptake in youth voters registering and Swifty's.

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BS44
22-08-2024, 01:38 PM
True, but if he does endorse and takes those votes with him, it's a big problem I'd think.

Not a problem according to this guy!

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/nostradamus-of-us-elections-says-robert-kennedy-jr-quitting-race-will-help-kamala-harris-6391682

grunt
22-08-2024, 01:43 PM
Powerful ad from the Harris campaign. A reminder of January 6.

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1826422642359898150

"If Trump is elected, he will never be held accountable."

Hibs4185
22-08-2024, 01:54 PM
Powerful ad from the Harris campaign. A reminder of January 6.

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1826422642359898150

"If Trump is elected, he will never be held accountable."

thanks for posting, as you said it’s certainly a powerful video and hopefully reminds the undecided voters what trump is all about

Kato
22-08-2024, 01:57 PM
Powerful ad from the Harris campaign. A reminder of January 6.

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1826422642359898150

"If Trump is elected, he will never be held accountable."Amateurs. Not one pair of crocs or even a steak bake to show for all that.

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Pretty Boy
22-08-2024, 02:07 PM
I watched a bit of Walz speech yesterday and his home spun charm and midwest accent should hopefully appeal in some of the swing states. His stories of being the high school coach were a bit saccharine but he came across as a hometown hero kind of guy which might sit well.

I did laugh when Fox News produced a list of the terrible things he enacted as governor or that he believed in. Such horrors as 'expanded free schools meals', 'supports body and health autonomy for women', 'supports subsidised or free healthcare for the elderly' and 'supports tax rises for the rich and cuts for the middle class'. All of it made me think he seems a pretty decent guy all things considered, particularly compared to the alternative.

Ozyhibby
22-08-2024, 02:53 PM
I watched a bit of Walz speech yesterday and his home spun charm and midwest accent should hopefully appeal in some of the swing states. His stories of being the high school coach were a bit saccharine but he came across as a hometown hero kind of guy which might sit well.

I did laugh when Fox News produced a list of the terrible things he enacted as governor or that he believed in. Such horrors as 'expanded free schools meals', 'supports body and health autonomy for women', 'supports subsidised or free healthcare for the elderly' and 'supports tax rises for the rich and cuts for the middle class'. All of it made me think he seems a pretty decent guy all things considered, particularly compared to the alternative.

He is looking like a fantastic choice for VP. His back story is almost impossible to attack.
The Harris campaign has been flawless so far. And their refusal to engage with Trump other than to mock him is working fantastically well.


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Ozyhibby
22-08-2024, 02:56 PM
Powerful ad from the Harris campaign. A reminder of January 6.

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1826422642359898150

"If Trump is elected, he will never be held accountable."

I like the ad but I think the taking the piss out of Trump is more effective now. All the people horrified over Jan 6 are already won over. Emasculating him with the rest is a better strategy.


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grunt
22-08-2024, 03:09 PM
I like the ad but I think the taking the piss out of Trump is more effective now. All the people horrified over Jan 6 are already won over. Emasculating him with the rest is a better strategy.
No harm in doing both I guess.

McD
22-08-2024, 03:32 PM
No harm in doing both I guess.



Yep, a timely reminder of the danger of the man will catch the attention of some voters, the ridiculing will catch the attention of a different demographic. Covering their bases

Bristolhibby
22-08-2024, 05:29 PM
He is looking like a fantastic choice for VP. His back story is almost impossible to attack.
The Harris campaign has been flawless so far. And their refusal to engage with Trump other than to mock him is working fantastically well.


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Vance is attacking his military service. Saying he jumped ship before his territorial unit shipped off to Iraq.

The actual answer is Waltz handed in his notice well before the unit was mobilised. He resigned so he could run as Governor of Minnesota.

In late 2004, Walz submitted his retirement papers. Walz then filed official documents to run for the U.S. House of Representatives in February 2005.In March, the National Guard announced a possible deployment to Iraq within the next two years for Walz's battalion. Walz said he would deploy if called upon.[54] The National Guard completed processing of his retirement paperwork in May and Walz retired from military service on 16 May 2005.

Ozyhibby
22-08-2024, 05:33 PM
Vance is attacking his military service. Saying he jumped ship before his territorial unit shipped off to Iraq.

The actual answer is Waltz handed in his notice well before the unit was mobilised. He resigned so he could run as Governor of Minnesota.

In late 2004, Walz submitted his retirement papers. Walz then filed official documents to run for the U.S. House of Representatives in February 2005.In March, the National Guard announced a possible deployment to Iraq within the next two years for Walz's battalion. Walz said he would deploy if called upon.[54] The National Guard completed processing of his retirement paperwork in May and Walz retired from military service on 16 May 2005.

Yip, it seems made up stuff is all they have. It’s the same with Harris. There is very little to attack her over unless you stretch the truth of the situation.


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Hibs4185
23-08-2024, 06:20 AM
Yip, it seems made up stuff is all they have. It’s the same with Harris. There is very little to attack her over unless you stretch the truth of the situation.


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Also I read Mark Hertling on walz’ army record. He rose as high as he could in the ranks. He couldn’t rise above his rank as he hadn’t attended officer academy. It’s like our sandhurst for all the posh boys..

He had basically achieved all he could and served with distinction which is why he went into politics.

cabbageandribs1875
23-08-2024, 09:21 PM
he's certainly brought shame on his family, what a total pwick of a man he is

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GVsIpQvW4AAGLPO?format=jpg&name=large

JimBHibees
24-08-2024, 06:36 AM
he's certainly brought shame on his family, what a total pwick of a man he is

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GVsIpQvW4AAGLPO?format=jpg&name=large

Genuinely had little or no knowledge of this guy and that a Kennedy was still in and about US politics and once heard his name and found out he was Robert Kennedys son i was absolutely staggered he has chosen to back who he has. Absolutely incomprehensible. If the tango guy gets in Kennedy will be as hated as him. As the family message says a sad end indeed. His dad and uncle would be so appalled imo. Doesn’t make any sense

Caversham Green
24-08-2024, 07:25 AM
Genuinely had little or no knowledge of this guy and that a Kennedy was still in and about US politics and once heard his name and found out he was Robert Kennedys son i was absolutely staggered he has chosen to back who he has. Absolutely incomprehensible. If the tango guy gets in Kennedy will be as hated as him. As the family message says a sad end indeed. His dad and uncle would be so appalled imo. Doesn’t make any sense

Apparently he offered to back Harris if they were to give him a job in their administration. They gave him two words that mean the same as 'go away' so he tried the same with Trump and it worked.

Jim44
24-08-2024, 07:55 AM
He’s a real unprincipled twat. I can’t see him gaining votes for Trump ……. in fact, fingers crossed, he might lose him votes.

Bostonhibby
24-08-2024, 07:59 AM
He’s a real unprincipled twat. I can’t see him gaining votes for Trump ……. in fact, fingers crossed, he might lose him votes.He looks like a Trump wanabee and seems to behave a bit like one so probably the best place for him.

A Kennedy who couldn't manipulate his way to relevance in the Democratic party maybe tells it's own story. His ego will be fed short term by his new orange pal.

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Paul1642
24-08-2024, 08:11 AM
He’s a real unprincipled twat. I can’t see him gaining votes for Trump ……. in fact, fingers crossed, he might lose him votes.

I don’t think it’s about his personality gaining votes for Trump but rather pulling out meaning it really is now just a two horse race for the below hypothetical:

Swing state - Trump takes 47% - Harris Takes 48% - Kennedy takes 5%

Those 5% are now more likely to vote Trump than Harris presumably. A bit like all the UK seats that Reform never won but likely changed the winner regardless.

Ozyhibby
24-08-2024, 09:12 AM
I don’t think it’s about his personality gaining votes for Trump but rather pulling out meaning it really is now just a two horse race for the below hypothetical:

Swing state - Trump takes 47% - Harris Takes 48% - Kennedy takes 5%

Those 5% are now more likely to vote Trump than Harris presumably. A bit like all the UK seats that Reform never won but likely changed the winner regardless.

Head to head polling still has Harris ahead in swing states.
A lot of the people who like Kennedy won’t vote at all.


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Jim44
24-08-2024, 01:29 PM
Head to head polling still has Harris ahead in swing states.
A lot of the people who like Kennedy won’t vote at all.


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…… or might change allegiance from one nutter to an even bigger one.

cabbageandribs1875
24-08-2024, 10:05 PM
Brilliant :greengrin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epvLrK6Mhd4

cabbageandribs1875
24-08-2024, 10:13 PM
Genuinely had little or no knowledge of this guy and that a Kennedy was still in and about US politics and once heard his name and found out he was Robert Kennedys son i was absolutely staggered he has chosen to back who he has. Absolutely incomprehensible. If the tango guy gets in Kennedy will be as hated as him. As the family message says a sad end indeed. His dad and uncle would be so appalled imo. Doesn’t make any sense

i first saw it mentioned approx two months ago on twitter that Kennedy was leaning towards Trump, i think he will fit well in Trumps administration should he unfortunately win
RFK Jr. And The Central Park Bear Cub Controversy, Explained (today.com) (https://www.today.com/news/rfk-bear-cub-central-park-controversy-rcna165197)

RyeSloan
24-08-2024, 10:15 PM
Brilliant :greengrin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epvLrK6Mhd4

That’s superb [emoji1787][emoji1787]

NORTHERNHIBBY
25-08-2024, 06:47 PM
Head to head polling still has Harris ahead in swing states.
A lot of the people who like Kennedy won’t vote at all.


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Politics in the US can appear to be even more disingenuous that ours, but it seems like there is genuine digust at this and perhaps it will help to get the Democrat vote to turn out in force. IMO there will be a few undecideds who will look at this and see a Politician who is brazenly putting himself first, above country and family, and "finding " a natural home in Trumps Republicans.

grunt
27-08-2024, 02:49 PM
A welcome return

https://x.com/sunsungirly/status/1828158002421211318

s.a.m
27-08-2024, 02:58 PM
A welcome return

https://x.com/sunsungirly/status/1828158002421211318

:greengrin

Keith_M
27-08-2024, 08:06 PM
Childish I know but I still laugh at this.

:greengrin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX1NdCpkaDE

Ozyhibby
29-08-2024, 11:11 PM
https://x.com/270towin/status/1829286804811653567?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Ridiculously good polling for Harris here.[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]


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cabbageandribs1875
30-08-2024, 03:07 AM
More than 200 former Bush, McCain and Romney staffers endorse Harris (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/200-former-bush-mccain-romney-staffers-endorse-harris-rcna168363)


another Republican with a moral compass
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWL77yjW8AErioM?format=jpg&name=small

nonshinyfinish
30-08-2024, 08:01 AM
https://x.com/270towin/status/1829286804811653567?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Ridiculously good polling for Harris here.

The averages (last five polls) on the same site are quite a bit tighter, although mostly still in Harris's favour: https://www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-polls/ (sort by 'competitiveness' to see close races first).

Hopefully the most recent polls indicate the direction of travel though.

JimBHibees
30-08-2024, 11:02 AM
More than 200 former Bush, McCain and Romney staffers endorse Harris (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/200-former-bush-mccain-romney-staffers-endorse-harris-rcna168363)


another Republican with a moral compass
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWL77yjW8AErioM?format=jpg&name=small

Is that Dick’s wife?

grunt
30-08-2024, 11:26 AM
Is that Dick’s wife?
Daughter.

JimBHibees
30-08-2024, 10:46 PM
Daughter.

Cheers

cabbageandribs1875
31-08-2024, 04:01 PM
poor auld Donny getting it tight (8) #TraitorTrump - Search / X (https://x.com/search?q=%23TraitorTrump&src=trend_click&vertical=trends)

Kato
31-08-2024, 06:58 PM
poor auld Donny getting it tight (8) #TraitorTrump - Search / X (https://x.com/search?q=%23TraitorTrump&src=trend_click&vertical=trends)"Boris" next.

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Bostonhibby
31-08-2024, 07:01 PM
"Boris" next.

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Russia will feature strongly

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cabbageandribs1875
04-09-2024, 02:28 PM
who's trump trying to fool that he would release names of the pervos that visited Epstein island, then further down the article he's already fooled one into voting for him just so he would release the names Jeffrey Epstein's private island circle 'panic' after Donald Trump vows to release names (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/jeffrey-epstein-s-private-island-circle-panic-after-donald-trump-vows-to-release-names/ar-AA1pZhor?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=5e3ccd2672a9461ba6825492548a1cde&ei=25) Trump wouldn't dare name names it wouldn't just be the tip of his ear next time, not forgetting that it would also open a whole new can of worms for Trump himself. he's trying to bribe the rich pervos into helping him win :agree:

Lendo
04-09-2024, 02:36 PM
who's trump trying to fool that he would release names of the pervos that visited Epstein island, then further down the article he's already fooled one into voting for him just so he would release the names Jeffrey Epstein's private island circle 'panic' after Donald Trump vows to release names (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/jeffrey-epstein-s-private-island-circle-panic-after-donald-trump-vows-to-release-names/ar-AA1pZhor?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=5e3ccd2672a9461ba6825492548a1cde&ei=25) Trump wouldn't dare name names it wouldn't just be the tip of his ear next time, not forgetting that it would also open a whole new can of worms for Trump himself. he's trying to bribe the rich pervos into helping him win :agree:

I thought all the names were already out there in the public domain?

cabbageandribs1875
04-09-2024, 03:10 PM
I thought all the names were already out there in the public domain?


must be special really really important VIP's not mentioned yet, those that know judges etc :greengrin he says he would be interested to know how Epstein died (8) Jim Stewartson, Counterinsurgent 🇺🇸🇺🇦💙🎈 on X: "Why would Donald Trump promise to declassify all files about 9/11 & JFK, but absolutely freak out when asked about declassifying the “Epstein Files”? It’s a mystery. The waffling here is legendary. He changes strategy five times before he gets to “hell no.” 😬😆 @5GW_HotTakes https://t.co/qWk8l3RnaO" / X (https://x.com/jimstewartson/status/1797836351708278983)

Hibrandenburg
04-09-2024, 04:08 PM
who's trump trying to fool that he would release names of the pervos that visited Epstein island, then further down the article he's already fooled one into voting for him just so he would release the names Jeffrey Epstein's private island circle 'panic' after Donald Trump vows to release names (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/jeffrey-epstein-s-private-island-circle-panic-after-donald-trump-vows-to-release-names/ar-AA1pZhor?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=5e3ccd2672a9461ba6825492548a1cde&ei=25) Trump wouldn't dare name names it wouldn't just be the tip of his ear next time, not forgetting that it would also open a whole new can of worms for Trump himself. he's trying to bribe the rich pervos into helping him win :agree:

He's just throwing out the usual conspiracy rubbish to confirm to the idiots that vote for him, that he's the only one that can stop the sky falling on their heads.