(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[Pretty Boy]

Trump cut out a lot of the interrupting and shouting over Biden from 4 years ago. He just let him ramble on and trip himself up. He's still a clown but was a bit less belligerent and childlike.

Most of what he said was utter nonsense but it was utter nonsense delivered with a degree of confidence and coherence. Biden was just a mess from start to finish.

300M plus people in the USA and this is the choice they have for President.

[Stairway 2 7]

Trump cut out a lot of the interrupting and shouting over Biden from 4 years ago. He just let him ramble on and trip himself up. He's still a clown but was a bit less belligerent and childlike.

Most of what he said was utter nonsense but it was utter nonsense delivered with a degree of confidence and coherence. Biden was just a mess from start to finish.

300M plus people in the USA and this is the choice they have for President.

That was a Biden backfire. Biden requested the first debate on CNN had muted mics when the other was talking. Many are saying it worked for Trump by making him seem more composed than usual and letting Biden ramble

[Bristolhibby]

That was a Biden backfire. Biden requested the first debate on CNN had muted mics when the other was talking. Many are saying it worked for Trump by making him seem more composed than usual and letting Biden ramble

This is what should be front and centre.

Not Biden rambling. Trumps absolute lies.

The one about killing babies post birth was absurd.

https://x.com/harryjsisson/status/1806543089076490650?s=46&t=lvK1thVbQaJCvhCoXwjUPA

[BroxburnHibee]

Trump definitely wins against Biden on that performance. God help us all :rolleyes:

[Sergio sledge]

The democrats have only themselves to blame if they don't win the presidency again, Trump is terrible and yet a clearly failing Biden is what they put up against him?

It was actually really tough to watch at points and his family and those close to him need to step in and persuade him to step away from this election.

[pollution]

What may save the Democrats is that in reality a President is a figure head and is not all powerful.

Biden may be a aged man with a wandering mind but he is not a criminal. That might win the day.

[grunt]

What may save the Democrats is that in reality a President is a figure head and is not all powerful.

Biden may be a aged man with a wandering mind but he is not a criminal. That might win the day.
A slender hope. Not one we should be risking for the role of the most powerful political position in the world.

[cabbageandribs1875]

how did it come to these two

a man that could easily get a part as an extra in the walking dead, it's been quite sad watching him over the last few years



...and TRUMP

[Ozyhibby]

What may save the Democrats is that in reality a President is a figure head and is not all powerful.

Biden may be a aged man with a wandering mind but he is not a criminal. That might win the day.

I think Biden has been a good president and has delivered well for the US economy as well as being a thoroughly decent man.
He is also just about (along with Harris) the only person Trump can beat. It’s not worth the risk. It’s too important.
The Democrats need to step up now and fix this. They still have time before the convention.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240628/894646b41e63fc9480fba7586b477510.jpg
Given how bad it was these numbers should be encouraging for dems. They switch now and it’s recoverable.


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[Paul1642]

I honestly think that Trump will win if Biden remains the candidate.

It’s of course not a criticism of him as a person in any way whatsoever and can happen to any of us but Biden clearly has some sort of age related cognitive illness. This debate has highlighted it but there has been a number videos of him looking very confused at public events in the last few years, and I can’t help but feel like he’s maybe a bit of a puppet to others around him.

[Stairway 2 7]

Cnn reporting not only is Biden refusing to pull out he's committed to the second debate in September

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Democrats are repeating the mistakes they made with Hillary Clinton as they are providing all the reasons and excuses to not vote for their candidate. People want to feel inspired by a leader, not feel sorry for them. The Democrats had an opportunity to consign Trump to history, but arguably, Biden has been one of Trumps best weapons.

[Hibs4185]

Seen someone saying some Dems thought Michelle Obama would be the only person that could pull a victory at this late stage

[500miles]

Seen someone saying some Dems thought Michelle Obama would be the only person that could pull a victory at this late stage
For a republic, Americans sure do love building political royalty.

[Keith_M]

Well, I think that 'debate' has pretty much clinched the election for Trump.

[Stairway 2 7]

Biden in North Carolina says he'll be standing. Says he's older and might not debate well but at least he's not a Liar. Says he'll bounce back and win, I'm dubious unfortunately

[Jim44]

What may save the Democrats is that in reality a President is a figure head and is not all powerful.

Biden may be a aged man with a wandering mind but he is not a criminal. That might win the day.

No chance. Trump is only a criminal in the eyes of Democrats. He still has total support of every Republican and possibly most fence sitters. Biden is a liability and I think Trump will win convincingly.

[Hibrandenburg]

What may save the Democrats is that in reality a President is a figure head and is not all powerful.

Biden may be a aged man with a wandering mind but he is not a criminal. That might win the day.

The U.S. has the highest incarceration rate of any independent democracy on earth, Trump will have a considerable amount of people who vote for him because he has a criminal record. Being a criminal and elected leader are not mutually exclusive, Hitler wrote Mein Kampf in prison.

[cabbageandribs1875]

at last, off to jail with ya Bannon :applause::clapper: (1) Really American 🇺🇸 on X: "🚨BREAKING: The Supreme Court has just rejected an appeal by Steve Bannon, so the former Trump advisor must now report to prison Monday. What advice would you offer him for his first day in prison? Best one wins. 🏆 https://t.co/J0MRRj0Fb7" / X (https://x.com/ReallyAmerican1/status/1806760968262647831)


hope yer big fat orange-faced buddy joins yi some time

[cabbageandribs1875]

does she really want to talk to her husband like he's a bloody child

Benny Johnson on X: "Jill Biden just gave the most cringe intro for Joe Biden after the debate: “Joe you did such a great job .. What did Trump do? LIE..” �� https://t.co/7Zhw6dMGBG" / X (https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1806527820719349906)


then the vid below of him leaving the stage :(

[grunt]

No chance. Trump is only a criminal in the eyes of Democrats. He still has total support of every Republican and possibly most fence sitters. Biden is a liability and I think Trump will win convincingly.
And the eyes of the law. But that no longer seems to matter to half of the US.

[Colr]

Look at this answer awful

https://x.com/GeraldoRivera/status/1806533440130691159

A few Dem representatives openly saying he has to go now, they shouldn't have been in this situation. Not much time for a new candidate to build momentum but I think we will see movement this week

Trump is due to be installed in July. If the Democrats go for a change, they have until August. A younger candidate who can harness positivity, get the ethnic votes and the votes of women who object to having their abortion rights removed (Trump boasts this is his doing), should have a very strong chance at winning.

[Stairway 2 7]

And the eyes of the law. But that no longer seems to matter to half of the US.

It never has, america is so split in two. They bring it on themselves by filling the courts with partizan choices. Both sides think everything is politically motivated, both sides trying to impeach the other. Then when the impeachments come they get thrown out the senate by the side in power. Clinton's ratings rose through his impeachment as his side thought it was a witch hunt too.

The problem for the dems is the damage is done they can't keep going down that road or just keep saying he's lying. I know that sounds ludicrous to us but it's a presidential race not a party so you just have to beat the other man.

It's widely thought the reason they lost to George W Bush is the kept saying he's stupid on repeat the whole campaign. Voter's post election said that might be but he seems honest, patriotic and a decent guy whilst gore is wooden. They should have changed track and hit him on they things but just stuck on stupid that didn't work. Yes it was close but it shouldn't have been a loss

[Colr]

What may save the Democrats is that in reality a President is a figure head and is not all powerful.



Would-be-dictator Trump has plans on that score.

The US checks and balances should have effect but these rules didn’t anticipate a sex offender and convicted felon running for president, did they? So they’re not infallible.

[Stairway 2 7]

Trump is due to be installed in July. If the Democrats go for a change, they have until August. A younger candidate who can harness positivity, get the ethnic votes and the votes of women who object to having their abortion rights removed (Trump boasts this is his doing), should have a very strong chance at winning.

Newsome is favourite to take if Biden walks which he won't. Newsome when polled against trump loses badly. He's had no time to campaign and seems like a desperate measure if he comes in. Biden should have announced at the beginning of the year it was 1 term, let there be a contest with a strong winner. This should have been an easy win especially with the abortion issue swaying women and those in cities

[Colr]

Newsome is favourite to take if Biden walks which he won't. Newsome when polled against trump loses badly. He's had no time to campaign and seems like a desperate measure if he comes in. Biden should have announced at the beginning of the year it was 1 term, let there be a contest with a strong winner. This should have been an easy win especially with the abortion issue swaying women and those in cities

I honestly expected Biden to be one term and even to quit during his presidency to allow Kamala in with time to bed her presidency. But he didn’t and Kamala has been a major disappointment who has really failed to carve out a role for herself.

That leaves us where we are. It’s a total failure of the system that these two dotards are facing off. Biden’s a great politician but he really should be relaxing in the role of elder statesman. It’s a massive failure of process that the succession for both Obama and also, I suppose, Bush was not well managed.

[BroxburnHibee]

SC rules Trump has absolute immunity for 'official acts'

No immunity for unofficial acts though.

Court split 6-3 on their ideological lines so Trumps appointees saw him through.

I'm guessing he'll claim everything he has done was official now.....

[Keith_M]

The US is a corrupt, failed democracy.

What other conclusion can you possibly come to when the Supreme Court votes totally along party lines?

Three of these people were even appointed by Trump himself.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRaPHCta0AAd4EB?format=jpg&name=medium

[Colr]

SC rules Trump has absolute immunity for 'official acts'

No immunity for unofficial acts though.

Court split 6-3 on their ideological lines so Trumps appointees saw him through.

I'm guessing he'll claim everything he has done was official now.....

The president is now an emperor.

[Stairway 2 7]

So was watergate now legal?

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm happy with a suggestion of a drone strike on Trump :greengrin "Supreme Court" - Search / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Supreme%20Court%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends) stephen king is bang on :agree:

[Colr]

Does this mean Biden doesn’t have to accept any defeat in the election and can summon a mob to take over the capitol.

Rightyo!

[Colr]

i'm happy with a suggestion of a drone strike on Trump :greengrin "Supreme Court" - Search / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Supreme%20Court%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends) stephen king is bang on :agree:

4th of July on Thursday. I wonder if they realise they are now back where they started.

Better stock up on tea!

[Stevie Reid]

Won the Cold War and then sold their democracy to Vladimir Putin.

[s.a.m]

I remember reading, after the Roe v Wade ruling, a commentator saying that the religious right in the Supreme Court and the Republican Party had got "too much" of what they wanted and that in the long run it was liable to get them the opposite of what they wanted. And while there might not have been mass protests, it's had an effect on on the various elections at state level held since, and I think, been defeated on every state referendum that's put abortion rights on the ballot.

This decision affects everybody, and you can only hope that it mobilises the non-maga majority to get informed and to get off their backsides and vote like their democracy depends on it.

Having said that, I'm in DC and at the weekend I was at an event in Baltimore (a DC commuter city) and asked a woman I know a question about the collapsed bridge:
- Is that metal work over there part of the bridge that collapsed?
- A bridge collapsed? In Baltimore? Wow... when did that happen?
- A few months ago...
- Oh my god! Was everyone ok???

So. We'll see.

[grunt]

This SCOTUS ruling is shocking. We're in a very scary place right now.

[Stevie Reid]

I remember reading, after the Roe v Wade ruling, a commentator saying that the religious right in the Supreme Court and the Republican Party had got "too much" of what they wanted and that in the long run it was liable to get them the opposite of what they wanted. And while there might not have been mass protests, it's had an effect on on the various elections at state level held since, and I think, been defeated on every state referendum that's put abortion rights on the ballot.

This decision affects everybody, and you can only hope that it mobilises the non-maga majority to get informed and to get off their backsides and vote like their democracy depends on it.

Having said that, I'm in DC and at the weekend I was at an event in Baltimore (a DC commuter city) and asked a woman I know a question about the collapsed bridge:
- Is that metal work over there part of the bridge that collapsed?
- A bridge collapsed? In Baltimore? Wow... when did that happen?
- A few months ago...
- Oh my god! Was everyone ok???

So. We'll see.

The Washington Post relayed some polling data the other week. From memory the headlines were that more people canvassed thought that Biden was more "extreme" than Trump.

When the polling dug down into whether people thought individual policies were extreme (not attached to either candidate), the ones that Trump has been stating he'll enact for months were considered extreme by a large majority of people.

The upshot is that folk are just not really paying attention. Trump is openly stating that he's going to oversee a dictatorship, and the American people are largely sleepwalking into it.

[Ozyhibby]

The Washington Post relayed some polling data the other week. From memory the headlines were that more people canvassed thought that Biden was "extreme" than Trump.

When the polling dug down into whether people thought individual policies were extreme (not attached to either candidate), the ones that Trump has been stating he'll enact for months were considered extreme by a large majority of people.

The upshot is that folk are just not really paying attention. Trump is openly stating that he's going to oversee a dictatorship, and the American people are largely sleepwalking into it.

Americans don’t really properly start paying attention till the autumn. Once they do I expect they will reject Trump.


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[BroxburnHibee]

Americans don’t really properly start paying attention till the autumn. Once they do I expect they will reject Trump.


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Did you see the debate? No way Biden wins now after that

[Ozyhibby]

Did you see the debate? No way Biden wins now after that

The debate hasn’t moved the polls since. Biden’s base will vote for him even if he’s dead. The floating voters have not even taken an interest yet.
And debates don’t tend to move votes much anyway.
Dems should still change but if they don’t I still think Biden wins.

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[s.a.m]

The Washington Post relayed some polling data the other week. From memory the headlines were that more people canvassed thought that Biden was more "extreme" than Trump.

When the polling dug down into whether people thought individual policies were extreme (not attached to either candidate), the ones that Trump has been stating he'll enact for months were considered extreme by a large majority of people.

The upshot is that folk are just not really paying attention. Trump is openly stating that he's going to oversee a dictatorship, and the American people are largely sleepwalking into it.

A few months back, the Democrats did a poll of 'gettable' voters in some of the swing states. They excluded people from the sample who had voted for Trump or were likely to, and tried to find out what they knew about some of his more extreme statements. And basically, most of them hadn't heard or read any of it.

It's known that one of the most important factors in voters' choice is where they get their news and information, with Trump voters likely to be getting their info /disinfo from social media or the more extreme cable outlets, where the extreme right and conspiracy theories have a strong foothold, rather than newspaper journalism or news programmes. In the more fragmented media landscape we have now, it's going to be really important for the Democrats (and the non-right in the UK and elsewhere) to learn how to use it and to take information to where people are at now.

[s.a.m]

The debate hasn’t moved the polls since. Biden’s base will vote for him even if he’s dead. The floating voters have not even taken an interest yet.
And debates don’t tend to move votes much anyway.
Dems should still change but if they don’t I still think Biden wins.

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Maybe not beyond the bonds of possibility. Dead people have been elected in the US - not as President, so far, but it's happened a number of times for other roles.

[J-C]

Just had 2 Trump fans in the taxi going back to their boat at Sth Queensferry, they think it's Biden and the Democrats that are corrupt and not Trump etc, couldn't make it up the love they have for this orange eejit.

[Stevie Reid]

Just had 2 Trump fans in the taxi going back to their boat at Sth Queensferry, they think it's Biden and the Democrats that are corrupt and not Trump etc, couldn't make it up the love they have for this orange eejit.

It truly is staggering how effectively the GOP and their acolytes in the media have changed the narrative, through lies and baseless investigations. It's worked right across the board.

I saw some talking heads of the Trump persuasion a few months back being asked about US support for Ukraine - these people didn't come across as the typical empty-headed cranks that get ridiculed on the likes of the Daily Show on a regular basis. Regardless, their argument was that Putin had every right to kill Ukrainians as he was just taking back what was "his" anyway. Another said Putin was saving the Ukrainian people from the corrupt Zelenskyy and the "elites" that had taken over Ukraine.

Language has truly lost all meaning with them.

[J-C]

It truly is staggering how effectively the GOP and their acolytes in the media have changed the narrative, through lies and baseless investigations. It's worked right across the board.

I saw some talking heads of the Trump persuasion a few months back being asked about US support for Ukraine - these people didn't come across as the typical empty-headed cranks that get ridiculed on the likes of the Daily Show on a regular basis. Regardless, their argument was that Putin had every right to kill Ukrainians as he was just taking back what was "his" anyway. Another said Putin was saving the Ukrainian people from the corrupt Zelenskyy and the "elites" that had taken over Ukraine.

Language has truly lost all meaning with them.
Should've seen their faces when I suggested giving Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona etc back to Mexico instead of building a wall.

[Stevie Reid]

Should've seen their faces when I suggested giving Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona etc back to Mexico instead of building a wall.

:greengrin

[Paul1642]

Just had 2 Trump fans in the taxi going back to their boat at Sth Queensferry, they think it's Biden and the Democrats that are corrupt and not Trump etc, couldn't make it up the love they have for this orange eejit.

Personally feel they are 50% correct. Both sides are corrupt over there, although i fear our main 2 parties are only marginally better.

[JimBHibees]

Personally feel they are 50% correct. Both sides are corrupt over there, although i fear our main 2 parties are only marginally better.

There is no equivalence between Trump and Biden though

[JimBHibees]

Should've seen their faces when I suggested giving Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona etc back to Mexico instead of building a wall.

:faf:

California as well

[CropleyWasGod]

There is no equivalence between Trump and Biden though

Biden has a history of being the Mob's man in Baltimore.

[JimBHibees]

Biden has a history of being the Mob's man in Baltimore.

Even so 😄

[Kato]

A few months back, the Democrats did a poll of 'gettable' voters in some of the swing states. They excluded people from the sample who had voted for Trump or were likely to, and tried to find out what they knew about some of his more extreme statements. And basically, most of them hadn't heard or read any of it.

It's known that one of the most important factors in voters' choice is where they get their news and information, with Trump voters likely to be getting their info /disinfo from social media or the more extreme cable outlets, rather than newspaper journalism or mainstream news programmes where the extreme right and the conspiracy theorists have a strong foothold. In the more fragmented media landscape we have now, it's going to be really important for the Democrats (and the non-right in the UK and elsewhere) to learn how to use it and to take information to where people are at now.Takes a lot of money. The Russians spand millions promoting far right and a few far left entities world wide. Whatever causes friction, divides. The main themes they put are emotionally driven lies, so that's a lot to combat and undermines any message.

Russian influence is reported in the UK but has barely gained any traction. The incidents and narratives of what has happened since Blair offered the Oiligarchs a home in the UK (and a home in a UK offshore dependency for their cash) to when the Reform supporting Facebook pages were taken down last week is still an untold story for the public, but it's all part of the same story.

Labour need to bring it to the fore. Doesn't have to be big headlines. Do something like audit MI5/6, don't just publish the Russia report but recommence it with a broader remit - remember they were tasked NOT to look for evidence which is fishy as.


To back the idea up that there is undoubtedly Russian interference, Boris Johnson, husband of "The Conservative Friends of Russia" founder Carrie Symonds, said with his mouth that wasn't any, not a sausage. Which means there must have been.

Labour won't be surrounded by friends when they arrive in power. They have to plant their feet a bit.

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[JimBHibees]

Takes a lot of money. The Russians spand millions promoting far right and a few far left entities world wide. Whatever causes friction, divides. The main themes they put are emotionally driven lies, so that's a lot to combat and undermines any message.

Russian influence is reported in the UK but has barely gained any traction. The incidents and narratives of what has happened since Blair offered the Oiligarchs a home in the UK (and a home in a UK offshore dependency for their cash) to when the Reform supporting Facebook pages were taken down last week is still an untold story for the public, but it's all part of the same story.

Labour need to bring it to the fore. Doesn't have to be big headlines. Do something like audit MI5/6, don't just publish the Russia report but recommence it with a broader remit - remember they were tasked NOT to look for evidence which is fishy as.


To back the idea up that there is undoubtedly Russian interference, Boris Johnson, husband of "The Conservative Friends of Russia" founder Carrie Symonds, said with his mouth that wasn't any, not a sausage. Which means there must have been.

Labour won't be surrounded by friends when they arrive in power. They have to plant their feet a bit.

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Johnstons behaviour when foreign secretary was bizarre

[Hibrandenburg]

Takes a lot of money. The Russians spand millions promoting far right and a few far left entities world wide. Whatever causes friction, divides. The main themes they put are emotionally driven lies, so that's a lot to combat and undermines any message.

Russian influence is reported in the UK but has barely gained any traction. The incidents and narratives of what has happened since Blair offered the Oiligarchs a home in the UK (and a home in a UK offshore dependency for their cash) to when the Reform supporting Facebook pages were taken down last week is still an untold story for the public, but it's all part of the same story.

Labour need to bring it to the fore. Doesn't have to be big headlines. Do something like audit MI5/6, don't just publish the Russia report but recommence it with a broader remit - remember they were tasked NOT to look for evidence which is fishy as.


To back the idea up that there is undoubtedly Russian interference, Boris Johnson, husband of "The Conservative Friends of Russia" founder Carrie Symonds, said with his mouth that wasn't any, not a sausage. Which means there must have been.

Labour won't be surrounded by friends when they arrive in power. They have to plant their feet a bit.

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"Russian influence is reported in the UK but has barely gained any traction."

Seriously? They payrolled Brexit and helped fund the crooks that have been governing the UK for over a decade.

[Kato]

"Russian influence is reported in the UK but has barely gained any traction."

Seriously? They payrolled Brexit and helped fund the crooks that have been governing the UK for over a decade.I'm talking about the actual reporting of what has happened. The traction it has in the culture is what needs the media's attention.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/skynews/status/1808525397685903440?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Paul1642]

I don’t bet at all these days but still keep an eye on the odds of various things out of interest.

Joe Biden is up at 7/1 to win the US election which seems crazy seeing as he’s still stating the intention to stand.

Kamal Harris only 4/1 for someone not current standing and Trump very low odds.

[Ozyhibby]

I don’t bet at all these days but still keep an eye on the odds of various things out of interest.

Joe Biden is up at 7/1 to win the US election which seems crazy seeing as he’s still stating the intention to stand.

Kamal Harris only 4/1 for someone not current standing and Trump very low odds.

I think Biden will stand down before the end of the month and Harris will be President.


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[Paul1642]

I think Biden will stand down before the end of the month and Harris will be President.


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Another completely incoherent speech from him for the 4th of July and BBC reporting that democrat donors are threatening to pull funding. Can’t see him lasting much longer.

[Just Alf]

Another completely incoherent speech from him for the 4th of July and BBC reporting that democrat donors are threatening to pull funding. Can’t see him lasting much longer.Surely the answer is for Biden to step down both from the election race and maybe even as president citing I'll health brought on by the stress of the additional workload the election is adding to his already stressful job.
Let Harris step up in his place both as nominee and acting president.

[Colr]

Surely the answer is for Biden to step down both from the election race and maybe even as president citing I'll health brought on by the stress of the additional workload the election is adding to his already stressful job.
Let Harris step up in his place both as nominee and acting president.

Harris should be the ideal candidate and I thought he would have passed the baton to her mid term already. She’s been pretty anonymous though. I eonder why.

[Ozyhibby]

Harris should be the ideal candidate and I thought he would have passed the baton to her mid term already. She’s been pretty anonymous though. I eonder why.

It’s pretty normal though. The vice president doesn’t really have a role in the US unless the President dies. That’s all they are really for.


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[Colr]

It’s pretty normal though. The vice president doesn’t really have a role in the US unless the President dies. That’s all they are really for.


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LBJ was a good stand in.

[Hibs4185]

It’s pretty normal though. The vice president doesn’t really have a role in the US unless the President dies. That’s all they are really for.


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Or they can invoke the 25th I think it is and make the president stand down?

Or am I watching too much TV?

[Colr]

Or they can invoke the 25th I think it is and make the president stand down?

Or am I watching too much TV?

Has that ever happened before?

[Hibs4185]

Has that ever happened before?

Don’t think so but on Biden’s performances, there would be a change of success. Although they’d never do it as it would be political suicide for the GOP to exploit

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/joebiden/status/1809310761933525304?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

If you have to say it ……


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[cabbageandribs1875]

another 250 Epstein files were released last week, here is Katie Johnson divulging what Epstein and that beast Trump done to her, she was aged just 13 years old, �������������� on X: "This is Katie Johnson. She was 13. It’s hard to watch but she described being raped and losing her virginity to Donald Trump while crying and begging him to stop. After, he was mad that she was crying. https://t.co/VDd0y7JfQq" / X (https://x.com/MeliMels99/status/1809232874647781542)


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GR_cdXVWYAAIM6R?format=jpg&name=900x900
Denise Wheeler ���� on X: "4 yrs ago, Anonymous leaked these documents detailing Trump underage rape settlements. The cases go way beyond those reported in the mainstream press with Epstein. It is so sickening & shows that Trump has a disturbing taste for children. https://t.co/F9JeN2lBeC" / X (https://x.com/denisedwheeler/status/1809667921943122296)

[Stairway 2 7]

**** sake slip ups like this we all do but not now when the pressure is on, it's a shame as he's 100 times the man trump ever was or will be

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1811517934751056038
Biden introduces Zelenskyy as "President Putin,"

[Ozyhibby]

**** sake slip ups like this we all do but not now when the pressure is on, it's a shame as he's 100 times the man trump ever was or will be

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1811517934751056038
Biden introduces Zelenskyy as "President Putin,"

Not long now. Will be fascinating to watch how they do the handover. Straight to Harris or a contested convention?


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[jamie_1875]

**** sake slip ups like this we all do but not now when the pressure is on, it's a shame as he's 100 times the man trump ever was or will be

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1811517934751056038
Biden introduces Zelenskyy as "President Putin,"

Someone close needs to do some kind of intervention.

[Willis1875]

Can’t see him surviving this,sad to see for anybody but it’s clear his marbles have gone

[Ozyhibby]

Someone close needs to do some kind of intervention.

His wife would be best. He’ll know himself though. The donors are already making moves.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

an hour later he called vice-president Kamala Harris "vice-president Trump" in front of a national TV audience



Trump has been pretty quiet since the release of those epstein files but he's made a lot of name gaffes as well

Harry Sisson on X: "Here are 3 minutes straight of Donald Trump confusing people and messing up people’s names. I’m sure the Republicans won’t talk about this though! https://t.co/GORqIizdNl" / X (https://x.com/harryjsisson/status/1811535886057677110)



what a choice for the yanks :rolleyes:

[JimBHibees]

Can’t see him surviving this,sad to see for anybody but it’s clear his marbles have gone

He’s just getting old. Happens to everyone. Clearly a decision needs to be taken out of his hands difficult as that may be

[Keith_M]

When you introduce Zelenskiy as "President Putin", then surely you've really lost it.

Time to stand down, Mr Biden.

[JimBHibees]

His wife would be best. He’ll know himself though. The donors are already making moves.


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Kind of think it may be better if not his wife but high ranking democrats

[JimBHibees]

an hour later he called vice-president Kamala Harris "vice-president Trump" in front of a national TV audience



Trump has been pretty quiet since the release of those epstein files but he's made a lot of name gaffes as well

Harry Sisson on X: "Here are 3 minutes straight of Donald Trump confusing people and messing up people’s names. I’m sure the Republicans won’t talk about this though! https://t.co/GORqIizdNl" / X (https://x.com/harryjsisson/status/1811535886057677110)



what a choice for the yanks :rolleyes:

Yes trump not great with names either 😄

[Hiber-nation]

When you introduce Zelenskiy as "President Putin", then surely you've really lost it.

Time to stand down, Mr Biden.

Yep that is the ultimate. Might have got away with it if it was a one-off, sadly not.

[Hibrandenburg]

**** sake slip ups like this we all do but not now when the pressure is on, it's a shame as he's 100 times the man trump ever was or will be

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1811517934751056038
Biden introduces Zelenskyy as "President Putin,"

Ffs, that's just awful. Trump and Putin will be exchanging videos of that on WhatsApp and pissing themselves

[Keith_M]

Ffs, that's just awful. Trump and Putin will be exchanging videos of that on WhatsApp and pissing themselves


Geert Wilders has already commented...


https://x.com/geertwilderspvv/status/1811669129167777898

[cabbageandribs1875]

poor Rudi (2) CALL TO ACTIVISM on X: "A Judge just dismissed Giuliani’s bankruptcy case, clearing the way for creditors to try to seize his assets. What do you say to him? https://t.co/RLgtTCR11h" / X (https://x.com/CalltoActivism/status/1811854894506377324)

that $2m Trump still owes him would come in handy

[Bristolhibby]

Trump has just been shot at a rally. He seems alive and OK.

https://x.com/acyn/status/1812249329203286464?s=46&t=lvK1thVbQaJCvhCoXwjUPA

https://x.com/blazesmitty/status/1812249387772387468?s=46&t=lvK1thVbQaJCvhCoXwjUPA

[Ozyhibby]

Trump has just been shot at a rally. He seems alive and OK.

https://x.com/acyn/status/1812249329203286464?s=46&t=lvK1thVbQaJCvhCoXwjUPA

https://x.com/blazesmitty/status/1812249387772387468?s=46&t=lvK1thVbQaJCvhCoXwjUPA

https://media3.giphy.com/media/7k2LoEykY5i1hfeWQB/giphy.gif


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[jamie_1875]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/7k2LoEykY5i1hfeWQB/giphy.gif


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Bit crass? No fan of Trump but don't want to see him murdered.

[Callum_62]

Bit crass? No fan of Trump but don't want to see him murdered.Like to see the full details but if he was shot it must've been with a powerful tattie gun based on his injury

I'm sure it will galvanize his side even more though



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[Ozyhibby]

Bit crass? No fan of Trump but don't want to see him murdered.

The man tried to take the presidency using violence. I’m not going to lose a wink of sleep over him. He represents the biggest threat to peace in Europe.


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[Ozyhibby]

Like to see the full details but if he was shot it must've been with a powerful tattie gun based on his injury

I'm sure it will galvanize his side even more though



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My only concern is any sympathy he may garner among his supporters.


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[Bristolhibby]

My only concern is any sympathy he may garner among his supporters.


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Yes, worried this will galvanise his support. There’s already a narrative on Twitter “they tried to get him”. Crazy Dem with a gun.

Nuts.

Thoughts and prayers though.

J

[Ozyhibby]

Yes, worried this will galvanise his support. There’s already a narrative on Twitter “they tried to get him”. Crazy Dem with a gun.

Nuts.

Thoughts and prayers though.

J

Certainly makes him look strong next to Biden. Dems need to switch horse sharpish.


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[Bristolhibby]

Republican supporters interviewed post shooting aghast at political violence, totally ignore January 6th.

All the while the dude is saying he’s still anti gun control. Moron.

J

[cabbageandribs1875]

this vile man that preaches nothing but hatred, oh wow how could something like this happen cαηα∂α нαтεs тя☭мρ on X: "Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul Pelosi, was in ICU from a vicious hammer attack in his home. Here’s a clip of the perpetrator’s hero, Donald Trump, mocking Mr. Pelosi who was still recuperating from his injuries. **** this mother****er straight to hell #TrumpIsNotFitToBePresident https://t.co/5UXEgCu8OM" / X (https://x.com/Trump_Detester/status/1800538940476457267)

[jamie_1875]

My only concern is any sympathy he may garner among his supporters.


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2 people have died it has been confirmed.

[Ozyhibby]

2 people have died it has been confirmed.

Terrible news. American democracy is in big trouble right now.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

no idea if this is fake or whit, Wall Street Silver on X: "BREAKING: 🚨🚨🚨 Per the Butler Police Department the Trump shooter has been arrested at the scene and has been identified as Mark Violets, an Antifa member. Prior to the sh00ting Mark Violets uploaded a video on YouTube claiming "justice is coming". https://t.co/MQpkfZSiAR" / X (https://x.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1812262641848717657)

[Ozyhibby]

no idea if this is fake or whit, Wall Street Silver on X: "BREAKING: [emoji599][emoji599][emoji599] Per the Butler Police Department the Trump shooter has been arrested at the scene and has been identified as Mark Violets, an Antifa member. Prior to the sh00ting Mark Violets uploaded a video on YouTube claiming "justice is coming". https://t.co/MQpkfZSiAR" / X (https://x.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1812262641848717657)

There will be lots of dangerous rumours going about just now. Best wait on confirmation.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

There will be lots of dangerous rumours going about just now. Best wait on confirmation.


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yep, no even going to peruse twitter until tomorrow

[Bristolhibby]

no idea if this is fake or whit, Wall Street Silver on X: "BREAKING: 🚨🚨🚨 Per the Butler Police Department the Trump shooter has been arrested at the scene and has been identified as Mark Violets, an Antifa member. Prior to the sh00ting Mark Violets uploaded a video on YouTube claiming "justice is coming". https://t.co/MQpkfZSiAR" / X (https://x.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1812262641848717657)

Shooter is dead

[The Tubs]

Fakeada

[Stonewall]

Trump is pretty much as bad as Biden in terms of his ability to speak. His speeches are consistently incoherent and and fantastical and he forgets words and just mumbles until he picks up again.

I don't know why more is not being made of this. Actually I do.

[Bristolhibby]

no idea if this is fake or whit, Wall Street Silver on X: "BREAKING: 🚨🚨🚨 Per the Butler Police Department the Trump shooter has been arrested at the scene and has been identified as Mark Violets, an Antifa member. Prior to the sh00ting Mark Violets uploaded a video on YouTube claiming "justice is coming". https://t.co/MQpkfZSiAR" / X (https://x.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1812262641848717657)

It’s wrong. 20 year old Thomas Matthew Crooks has been named as the now dead shooter.

J

[Bostonhibby]

The man tried to take the presidency using violence. I’m not going to lose a wink of sleep over him. He represents the biggest threat to peace in Europe.


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His remarks about Pelosi still resonate. There are deaths because of what he incited and now seeks to wriggle out of.

Narcissist sociopath who will turn even this horrible event to his advantage, no genuine humanity or empathy.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Trump is pretty much as bad as Biden in terms of his ability to speak. His speeches are consistently incoherent and and fantastical and he forgets words and just mumbles until he picks up again.

I don't know why more is not being made of this. Actually I do.

More isn’t being made of it because it’s not the case. I have absolutely zero time for trump, but the idea he’s as bad a public speaker as Biden is miles off it.

[Jim44]

Any lingering chance, which Biden or a replacement Democratic candidate had of defeating Trump, has evaporated with this crazy incident.

[Ozyhibby]

Any lingering chance, which Biden or a replacement Democratic candidate had of defeating Trump, has evaporated with this crazy incident.

I doubt this moves polls much.


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[grunt]

More isn’t being made of it because it’s not the case. I have absolutely zero time for trump, but the idea he’s as bad a public speaker as Biden is miles off it.
https://x.com/ResoluteSquare/status/1800175700613239224

[Bishop Hibee]

I doubt this moves polls much.


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Reagan got a big boost in the polls after his attempted assassination. The Guardian newspaper reporting the shooter was a registered Republican. I’m always surprised with the gun culture in the States that this sort of thing doesn’t happen more often.

I think Trump is a shoo in for the Presidency now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://x.com/ResoluteSquare/status/1800175700613239224

Yup. And Joe Biden manages to do that when the teleprompter doesn’t break.

As I said, I’m no fan of trump and his ideologies by any means, but the idea they’re equally as bad public speakers or that they’re at a similar stage in life in terms of their cognitive abilities is just silly.

[Ozyhibby]

Yup. And Joe Biden manages to do that when the teleprompter doesn’t break.

As I said, I’m no fan of trump and his ideologies by any means, but the idea they’re equally as bad public speakers or that they’re at a similar stage in life in terms of their cognitive abilities is just silly.

Biden has to drop out. Not just to beat Trump but for his own good and the good of the country.


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[grunt]

As I said, I’m no fan of trump and his ideologies by any means, but the idea they’re equally as bad public speakers or that they’re at a similar stage in life in terms of their cognitive abilities is just silly.
You're quite right. Just not in the way you think.

[JimBHibees]

My only concern is any sympathy he may garner among his supporters.


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Undoubtedly this will help him. Conspiracies will be rife.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You're quite right. Just not in the way you think.

Ok.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Biden has to drop out. Not just to beat Trump but for his own good and the good of the country.


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:agree:

[Paul1642]

Delighted this never succeeded. Not because I like Trump but because this would have seen so many life’s lost in the fallout.

[Ozyhibby]

https://nickcohen.substack.com/p/europe-is-not-ready-to-cope-with?r=333vp&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true


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[Northernhibee]

Any lingering chance, which Biden or a replacement Democratic candidate had of defeating Trump, has evaporated with this crazy incident.

Yep. It’s quite scary to think what effect a Putin puppet in the White House would have.

[J-C]

Heard this on Morning breakfast, seemingly the shooter is a Republican party member, so his own members are trying to kill him.

[Ozyhibby]

Heard this on Morning breakfast, seemingly the shooter is a Republican party member, so his own members are trying to kill him.

I guess if you surround yourself with gun toting lunatics then results can get unpredictable.[emoji2369]


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[Keith_M]

Any lingering chance, which Biden or a replacement Democratic candidate had of defeating Trump, has evaporated with this crazy incident.


Yeah, that's pretty much how I see it as well.

My feelings on this are; I have sympathy for the innocent victim... but also dread what this could lead to, given the previous behaviour of some of his MAGA followers and the ridiculously entrenched divisions in US politics.

Trump is going to make the most of this and I wouldn't be surprised if he encourages retaliation of some kind.

[Bostonhibby]

https://x.com/brianklaas/status/1812328254499647796?t=Yo0e2TEhWcJFcC3BFp5Xyg&s=08

Just a wee reminder of the man's lack of humanity. I guess he will understand if people have a similar reaction to his misfortune

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[Jim44]

Yeah, that's pretty much how I see it as well.

My feelings on this are; I have sympathy for the innocent victim... but also dread what this could lead to, given the previous behaviour of some of his MAGA followers and the ridiculously entrenched divisions in US politics.

Trump is going to make the most of this and I wouldn't be surprised if he encourages retaliation of some kind.

Seconds after the shooting, with minimal damage to himself, admittedly, he was fist pumping and screaming fight, fight, fight. Consequences will be grave for America, internally and also for world peace as Trump and his hero, Putin, unite.

[Hibs4185]

It’s worked out pretty well for Trump, every image is election gold. Fist pumping with the American flag flying behind him. On the ground with his hands cupped looking like he is praying.

Unfortunately unless Biden pulls out and is replaced with a very strong, well liked candidate, one evil act is going to lead to even more evil acts through a Trump presidency.

[Jim44]

Reports saying that the shooter was a registered member of the Republican Party but had made a financial donation to the Democrats. Conspiracy theories will grow arms and legs.

[Bristolhibby]

https://nickcohen.substack.com/p/europe-is-not-ready-to-cope-with?r=333vp&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true


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Good article. Sums up exactly how I feel about the whole thing.

Feel desperately sorry for the Ukrainian people who in a matter of months will be cut free from air. Europe has to step up.

J

[cabbageandribs1875]

there's class

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSatbCAWEAENXN8?format=jpg&name=large


and there's TRUMPS
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSatbCNX0AAZ-X0?format=jpg&name=large

[cabbageandribs1875]

It’s wrong. 20 year old Thomas Matthew Crooks has been named as the now dead shooter.

J

i noticed this morning that tweet had been deleted


i said several months ago, and even further back, that a country full of guns and amazingly no one had taken a pop at him

[Bishop Hibee]

Good article. Sums up exactly how I feel about the whole thing.

Feel desperately sorry for the Ukrainian people who in a matter of months will be cut free from air. Europe has to step up.

J

Europe won’t go to war with Russia without U.S. support. If Trump gets in and pulls the plug the best hope is a ceasefire with Russia consolidating its territorial gains.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

See Nigel Fascist is blaming Liberalism for this. Nothing to do with gun laws then.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Thomas Mathew Crooks LA Blue Dot in GA 🌊💔 on X: "Thomas Matthew Crooks is a registered Republican, has been identified as the shooter & the FBI confirms he used an AR-15. Every country has mentally ill citizens, only America arms them. #ProudBlue #TrumpIsNotFitToBePresident #VoteBlueToStopACriminalDictator #GunReformNow https://t.co/DuJG8ql0hB" / X (https://x.com/namwella1961/status/1812466222543385002)

[Bostonhibby]

See Nigel Fascist is blaming Liberalism for this. Nothing to do with gun laws then.In Nasty Nige's world only his type of people would be allowed guns, to sort out the Liberalism and everything and everyone else that isn't like him.

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[Ozyhibby]

Europe won’t go to war with Russia without U.S. support. If Trump gets in and pulls the plug the best hope is a ceasefire with Russia consolidating its territorial gains.

Russia will bring war to us if we back down. It’s inevitable. It’s happened many times before in History.
Thankfully democracies usually come out on top but we’ll spill a lot of blood.


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[Bristolhibby]

Russia will bring war to us if we back down. It’s inevitable. It’s happened many times before in History.
Thankfully democracies usually come out on top but we’ll spill a lot of blood.


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My point. I’d rather send some tax pounds to Ukraine than send my sons there.

Plus British industry benefits as we re stock all the ammunition and weapons used. More employment, more tax revenue, less Putin and Russians in Ukraine.

Trump is like a kid, and he admires Putin SOOOOO much.

J

[Berwickhibby]

Do you think the secret service yelled “Donald Duck” :greengrin:greengrin

[Sylar]

Europe won’t go to war with Russia without U.S. support. If Trump gets in and pulls the plug the best hope is a ceasefire with Russia consolidating its territorial gains.

Putin's already said that's not sufficient for this conflict to end. He wants to return the entirety of Ukraine to 'mother Russia's bosom'.

Please don't ask me where I heard him say that (I honestly can't remember), but it was quite recently.

[Ozyhibby]

Putin's already said that's not sufficient for this conflict to end. He wants to return the entirety of Ukraine to 'mother Russia's bosom'.

Please don't ask me where I heard him say that (I honestly can't remember), but it was quite recently.

He would need a ceasefire to do that. Crimea is unsustainable until then as it has no fresh water supply and is within range of Ukraine.


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[grunt]

See Nigel Fascist is blaming Liberalism for this. Nothing to do with gun laws then.I'm sure it's what the electorate of Clacton wanted.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSdGRiHWYAAsjda?format=jpg&name=medium

[Keith_M]

Putin's already said that's not sufficient for this conflict to end. He wants to return the entirety of Ukraine to 'mother Russia's bosom'.

Please don't ask me where I heard him say that (I honestly can't remember), but it was quite recently.


Funny that he doesn't apply the same principles to Kaliningrad (or Königsberg) and offer to return it to Germany.

[Callum_62]

Do you think the secret service yelled “Donald Duck” :greengrin:greengrinIt's one of the things I question most (there's numerous potentially ridiculous security breaches)

But would the secret service genuinely let the president pop his head up multiple times and raise a fist literally seconds after he's been shot at

Absolutely mind blowing

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[marinello59]

It doesn’t matter what the Democrats do with Biden now, Trump wins.

[Ozyhibby]

It doesn’t matter what the Democrats do with Biden now, Trump wins.

I still think he loses.


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[Jim44]

I still think he loses.


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Elaborate, please Ozy.

[Jim44]

In my opinion, Trump has been given the golden ticket to the White House. He will get 100% of the Republican vote, the vote of most fence sitters and, very importantly, a substantial number of ‘light’ Democrats who will give him a sympathy vote.

[Ozyhibby]

Elaborate, please Ozy.

I just don’t think America will vote him back in when it comes down to it in November.
I’d like Biden to stand aside but I still think he can win.


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[Paul1642]

I just don’t think America will vote him back in when it comes down to it in November.
I’d like Biden to stand aside but I still think he can win.


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I think prior to todays events, Biden probably would have been pressured into standing down eventually, with Biden having a very slim chance to win if he stood and Harris about 45% chance to win.

I think today changes that and Biden will now run. I genuinely don’t think he has a hope in hell in winning to be honest.

What baffles me the most is how even when the two candidates are possible the worst ever on offer, the obvious option of a credible 3rd party being formed and standing isn’t even considered an option.

[Moulin Yarns]

Having seen photos of the injury Trump sustained he has to be the luckiest person alive. An inch to the right and he would be dead. He must have been facing directly at the shooter for him only to lose the top of his ear.

[lapsedhibee]

Having seen photos of the injury Trump sustained he has to be the luckiest person alive. An inch to the right and he would be dead. He must have been facing directly at the shooter for him only to lose the top of his ear.

Or there was a straight line between his right ear, left ear and the sniper.

[Callum_62]

Having seen photos of the injury Trump sustained he has to be the luckiest person alive. An inch to the right and he would be dead. He must have been facing directly at the shooter for him only to lose the top of his ear.Seen some comments that it was actually shards from the teleprompter that caused the damage rather than actually being shot

Not sure if that's right or not

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[lapsedhibee]

Or there was a straight line between his right ear, left ear and the sniper.

28049

[Keith_M]

Seen some comments that it was actually shards from the teleprompter that caused the damage rather than actually being shot

Not sure if that's right or not

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Yeah, I didn't think his injuries were directly from a bullet.


FWIW, my first thoughts on hearing about the shooting was that the whole thing had been rigged by the Trump team, but I realise I'm getting into the conspiracy theory nut-job area with that one...

[J-C]

There's a still which shows the bullet whizzing past his head.

[lapsedhibee]

Yeah, I didn't think his injuries were directly from a bullet.


FWIW, my first thoughts on hearing about the shooting was that the whole thing had been rigged by the Trump team, but I realise I'm getting into the conspiracy theory nut-job area with that one...

Wait and see if the shooter gets silenced before you rule it out.

[J-C]

Wait and see if the shooter gets silenced before you rule it out.

The shooter is dead, shot at the scene by marksm.

[lapsedhibee]

The shooter is dead, shot at the scene by marksm.

That's what they're saying.

[Moulin Yarns]

That's what they're saying.

OK, what's your theory??

[JimBHibees]

See Nigel Fascist is blaming Liberalism for this. Nothing to do with gun laws then.

Wow

[Bostonhibby]

WowIt'll get worse when he finds out what liberalism is and how it allows the likes of him and his family rights and privileges they might not otherwise enjoy in this country.

Wonder how the voters in Clacton are enjoying his commitment to the adulation he craves in the States and the time he is devoting to that part of the world.

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[lapsedhibee]

OK, what's your theory??

Too early to say. The Warren Commission took nearly a year to report, and that wasn't exactly conclusive.

As mentioned earlier, it was very strange to see Trump stand and punch the air in the middle of an assassination attempt. Trump's not normal, but it would be normal to hunker down. I haven't thought of him as unduly brave previously. I suppose recklessly stupid might cover it.

[Moulin Yarns]

Too early to say. The Warren Commission took nearly a year to report, and that wasn't exactly conclusive.

As mentioned earlier, it was very strange to see Trump stand and punch the air in the middle of an assassination attempt. Trump's not normal, but it would be normal to hunker down. I haven't thought of him as unduly brave previously. I suppose recklessly stupid might cover it.

Every news outlet is saying that the shooter was shot and killed by security marksman, are you disputing that?

[lapsedhibee]

Every news outlet is saying that the shooter was shot and killed by security marksman, are you disputing that?
Too early to say. I don't necessarily believe everything that comes out of American polis depts. Has a motive been suggested yet? :dunno:

[grunt]

Too early to say. I don't necessarily believe everything that comes out of American polis depts. Has a motive been suggested yet? :dunno:
:greengrin

[J-C]

28050

This shows the bullet going past his head.

[Moulin Yarns]

Too early to say. I don't necessarily believe everything that comes out of American polis depts. Has a motive been suggested yet? :dunno:

It's America, do they need a motive to carry guns?

Conspiracy theories abound. Republican 'attempts to assassinate the Republican candidate' but miraculously missed from 130m with high velocity rifle, amid high security and is pointed out by members of the crowd.

[lapsedhibee]

It's America, do they need a motive to carry guns?

Conspiracy theories abound. Republican 'attempts to assassinate the Republican candidate' but miraculously missed from 130m with high velocity rifle, amid high security and is pointed out by members of the crowd.

It's a strange way for a young man to effectively commit suicide. And Trump is such a big, fat target to effectively miss.

[cabbageandribs1875]

another result for Trump from a Judge Really American 🇺🇸 on X: "🚨MAJOR BREAKING: In an unbelievable miscarriage of justice, Judge Aileen Cannon has just DISMISSED the classified documents case against Donald Trump. Jack Smith's team, of course, will appeal the disgraceful decision. https://t.co/5Bfc0ooq0J" / X (https://x.com/ReallyAmerican1/status/1812851878322954622)


i honestly never realised that the yank judiciary was so damn corrupt

Teflon Don true enough

[Ozyhibby]

another result for Trump from a Judge Really American [emoji631] on X: "[emoji599]MAJOR BREAKING: In an unbelievable miscarriage of justice, Judge Aileen Cannon has just DISMISSED the classified documents case against Donald Trump. Jack Smith's team, of course, will appeal the disgraceful decision. https://t.co/5Bfc0ooq0J" / X (https://x.com/ReallyAmerican1/status/1812851878322954622)


i honestly never realised that the yank judiciary was so damn corrupt

Teflon Don true enough

America is heading to a dark place. And Europe and the UK are not ready.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

America is heading to a dark place. And Europe and the UK are not ready.


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just heard on Al jazeera she was a Trump appointee :rolleyes:

no wonder he's such a cocky cant

[Ozyhibby]

just heard on Al jazeera she was a Trump appointee :rolleyes:

no wonder he's such a cocky cant

She has done everything she can to delay the case for him. This was final act. It will be appealed but it now won’t happen until next year. The case itself is a slam dunk.


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[McD]

Too early to say. I don't necessarily believe everything that comes out of American polis depts. Has a motive been suggested yet? :dunno:



There would be dozens of witnesses to him being shot by the secret service surely?

[greenginger]

It's America, do they need a motive to carry guns?

Conspiracy theories abound. Republican 'attempts to assassinate the Republican candidate' but miraculously missed from 130m with high velocity rifle, amid high security and is pointed out by members of the crowd.

Was he a Republican though ? Maybe joined the party to get access to events where Trump was appearing to carry out the assassination or maybe like the John Lennon shooter a loser who wanted to be remembered for something, anything.

[Hibrandenburg]

There would be dozens of witnesses to him being shot by the secret service surely?

They might have been hidden behind a grassy knoll:dunno:

[Keith_M]

Was he a Republican though ? Maybe joined the party to get access to events where Trump was appearing to carry out the assassination or maybe like the John Lennon shooter a loser who wanted to be remembered for something, anything.


Not much to go on but here's what the BBC have written about his background.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3gw58wv4e9o

[lapsedhibee]

There would be dozens of witnesses to him being shot by the secret service surely?

It seems odd that when everyone and their dug know all what happened, the Guardian is still today referring to the dead man as the 'suspect'. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/15/trump-shooter-motive

[Stairway 2 7]

Too early to say. I don't necessarily believe everything that comes out of American polis depts. Has a motive been suggested yet? :dunno:

I thought you were joking? There is videos of him climbing on the roof, videos of him shooting and videos of him getting his head blown off by snipers. Multiple pictures online minutes after with his head a bloody mess.

[lapsedhibee]

I thought you were joking? There is videos of him climbing on the roof, videos of him shooting and videos of him getting his head blown off by snipers. Multiple pictures online minutes after with his head a bloody mess.

The polis were saying earlier today that it's too early to know what his motive for shooting at Trump was. Nothing in his social media history to suggest a reason. Have they decided now? :dunno:

[Ozyhibby]

The polis were saying earlier today that it's too early to know what his motive for shooting at Trump was. Nothing in his social media history to suggest a reason. Have they decided now? :dunno:

Usually it has little that makes sense to someone looking in.


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[Stairway 2 7]

The polis were saying earlier today that it's too early to know what his motive for shooting at Trump was. Nothing in his social media history to suggest a reason. Have they decided now? :dunno:

There won't be much logic in why a 20yo chose to murder the president knowing he'll be killed. Like most cases like this I'll assume mental health problems and easy access to guns

[Ozyhibby]

Was he a Republican though ? Maybe joined the party to get access to events where Trump was appearing to carry out the assassination or maybe like the John Lennon shooter a loser who wanted to be remembered for something, anything.

He shot from outside the venue.


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[Ozyhibby]

There won't be much logic in why a 20yo chose to murder the president knowing he'll be killed. Like most cases like this I'll assume mental health problems and easy access to guns

Almost certainly the case. Good chance if Biden was in town instead he’d have went for him.


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[lapsedhibee]

There won't be much logic in why a 20yo chose to murder the president knowing he'll be killed. Like most cases like this I'll assume mental health problems and easy access to guns


Almost certainly the case. Good chance if Biden was in town instead he’d have went for him.


Oh well then, lone killer, acting alone, just for the notoriety. Honestly, 'conspiracy theory' gets such a bad rap these days that some of you guys won't even consider the possibility that the Dems might have put him up to it.

[Bostonhibby]

Oh well then, lone killer, acting alone, just for the notoriety. Honestly, 'conspiracy theory' gets such a bad rap these days that some of you guys won't even consider the possibility that the Dems might have put him up to it.It's possible but I think if they had they would have given him a colander to wear on his head to protect him from secret service bullets and to simultaneously receive messages from the White House.

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[grunt]

Some video here. Don't think it's too horrible for this site.

https://x.com/madorison/status/1812930710422102328

[Colr]

Was he a Republican though ? Maybe joined the party to get access to events where Trump was appearing to carry out the assassination or maybe like the John Lennon shooter a loser who wanted to be remembered for something, anything.

Well. How many more Republicans are actually Democrat sleepers?

Can’t trust anyone. Maybe a purge is required?

[lapsedhibee]

America is heading to a dark place.

Darker or lighter if the lone shooter had succeeded? :dunno:

[lapsedhibee]

a colander to wear on his head

Under-rated protective devices :agree:

[Bostonhibby]

Under-rated protective devices :agree:Deluxe versions come with a TV aerial as standard

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[grunt]

Soon to be US VP JD Vance:

https://x.com/bmay/status/1812941608570278107


I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine one way or another.”

[JimBHibees]

He shot from outside the venue.


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Doesn’t say much or anything about the security at the event

[greenginger]

He shot from outside the venue.


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I know that, maybe he sussed he wouldn’t get into a venue toting an automatic rifle.

[Stairway 2 7]

Soon to be US VP JD Vance:

https://x.com/bmay/status/1812941608570278107

Pretty much every he has ever said is abhorrent, apart from his constant slatting of trump that he has obviously ignored now.



JD Vance takes a shot at the UK Labour Party:

“What is the first truly Islamist country to get a nuke? And we were like, maybe it's Iran, maybe Pakistan already kind of counts. And then we finally decided maybe it's actually the UK since Labour took over

Said women should stay in violent marriages “for the sake of their kids”

Is against IVF and abortion even for cases of rape or incest

Warns against swarms of immigrants and the replacement theory that Democrats are trying to replace white people with coloured people to win power

[Keith_M]

Oh well then, lone killer, acting alone, just for the notoriety. Honestly, 'conspiracy theory' gets such a bad rap these days that some of you guys won't even consider the possibility that the Dems might have put him up to it. If t helps, I read online that the real name of the shooter was Claus von Stauffenberg

[lapsedhibee]

If t helps, I read online that the real name of the shooter was Claus von Stauffenberg

Guardian is still today referring to Crooks as the 'suspect' and 'alleged shooter'. Can't be to ensure he gets a fair trial, perhaps they're suffering from the lunatic woke mind virus. Stauffy definitely didn't do his thing for the notoriety, did he?

[Moulin Yarns]

Guardian is still today referring to Crooks as the 'suspect' and 'alleged shooter'. Can't be to ensure he gets a fair trial, perhaps they're suffering from the lunatic woke mind virus. Stauffy definitely didn't do his thing for the notoriety, did he?

What article are you referring to?

Edit : presumably this one.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/15/trump-shooting-suspect-home-town-motive

But you really need to actually read the article before posting.

[lapsedhibee]

What article are you referring to?

Edit : presumably this one.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/15/trump-shooting-suspect-home-town-motive

But you really need to actually read the article before posting.

I read the article. It refers to Crooks as the 'suspect' and as 'alleged' shooter. What is it that you are disputing? :confused:

[J-C]

Guardian is still today referring to Crooks as the 'suspect' and 'alleged shooter'. Can't be to ensure he gets a fair trial, perhaps they're suffering from the lunatic woke mind virus. Stauffy definitely didn't do his thing for the notoriety, did he?

Crooks was almost instantly killed by Secret Service agents returning fire

[Stairway 2 7]

I read the article. It refers to Crooks as the 'suspect' and as 'alleged' shooter. What is it that you are disputing? :confused:

It's obviously legal reasons. There's a dozen videos from the public of him climbing up, shooting and also getting his head blown, one us magazine has a picture of his head with blood pouring out post shooting I would have preferred to have not seen.

I'm actually not sure what it is your saying to be fair though

[lapsedhibee]

It's obviously legal reasons. There's a dozen videos from the public of him climbing up, shooting and also getting his head blown, one us magazine has a picture of his head with blood pouring out post shooting I would have preferred to have not seen.

I'm actually not sure what it is your saying to be fair though
I'm saying I don't understand why the Guardian is using this language when the person in question is already dead. What are the obvious legal reasons?

[Stairway 2 7]

I'm saying I don't understand why the Guardian is using this language when the person in question is already dead. What are the obvious legal reasons?

No idea but it certainly doesn't concern me enough to spend 10 minutes looking it up

[greenginger]

I'm saying I don't understand why the Guardian is using this language when the person in question is already dead. What are the obvious legal reasons?Until the Feds retrieve the bullets and check against the rifle Crooks had they won’t say categorically he was the shooter.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/world/roof-trump-gunman-used-was-not-manned-by-us-secret-service-for-safety-reasons

Kimberly Cheatle, the Secret Service director, said the “sloped roof” where Crooks was positioned was not manned because of a “safety factor”.

“That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there’s a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn’t want to put somebody up on a sloped roof,” she told ABC News on Tuesday.

She added that a “decision was made to secure the building, from inside”.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://news.stv.tv/world/roof-trump-gunman-used-was-not-manned-by-us-secret-service-for-safety-reasons

Kimberly Cheatle, the Secret Service director, said the “sloped roof” where Crooks was positioned was not manned because of a “safety factor”.

“That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there’s a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn’t want to put somebody up on a sloped roof,” she told ABC News on Tuesday.

She added that a “decision was made to secure the building, from inside”.

So if assassinating a president chose a sloped roof, good luck if he comes to Edinburgh

[Moulin Yarns]

So if assassinating a president chose a sloped roof, good luck if he comes to Edinburgh

The article is even illustrated with security walking up a sloped roof!! The one that they shot and killed the gunman from!!

[Stairway 2 7]

Interesting thread of the last time a former president was shot. Teddy Rosevelt was going for a third term after giving up the presidency 4 years before. He was shot by a man who said he had spoken to the ghost of president Mckinley who told him not to let Rosevelt get a third term. Mckinley was assassinated previously and Rosevelt took the presidency.

Rosevelt was saved after the bullet hit a glasses case and a speech in his pocket. He didn't go to hospital although he had a bullet in him and chose to give the speech he was going to do. He initially got a boost from sympathy but it dropped and he lost the election to Woodrow Wilson 🤞

https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1813224985474809927

[Moulin Yarns]

Interesting thread of the last time a former president was shot. Teddy Rosevelt was going for a third term after giving up the presidency 4 years before. He was shot by a man who said he had spoken to the ghost of president Mckinley who told him not to let Rosevelt get a third term. Mckinley was assassinated previously and Rosevelt took the presidency.

Rosevelt was saved after the bullet hit a glasses case and a speech in his pocket. He didn't go to hospital although he had a bullet in him and chose to give the speech he was going to do. He initially got a boost from sympathy but it dropped and he lost the election to Woodrow Wilson 🤞

https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1813224985474809927

That's not the most recent attempt

1981 Ronald Reagan was shot in the lung

https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/permanent-exhibits/assassination-attempt

[Ozyhibby]

That's not the most recent attempt

1981 Ronald Reagan was shot in the lung

https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/permanent-exhibits/assassination-attempt

He was a current President.


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[grunt]

Why would VP contender Vance delete this from his website, I wonder?https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSoqwz7WwAAyFkx?format=jpg&name=medium

[Bostonhibby]

So if assassinating a president chose a sloped roof, good luck if he comes to EdinburghOur gun laws mean it probably won't happen as we are a civilised society but it shouldn't necessarily stop our German Shepherd from eliminating the creature that he is.

Why would Scotland want him on their soil though?

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[Sylar]

Our gun laws mean it probably won't happen as we are a civilised society but it shouldn't necessarily stop our German Shepherd from eliminating the creature that he is.

Why would Scotland want him on their soil though?

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He sadly has sizeable business assets here and is potentially a World leader again…sadly that means something.

[Bostonhibby]

He sadly has sizeable business assets here and is potentially a World leader again…sadly that means something.I hear you. UK is a free for all for American businesses

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[Ozyhibby]

Looks like Pelosi is starting to move against Biden.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/16/pelosi-biden-2024-elections-00168767


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[greenginger]

Looks like Pelosi is starting to move against Biden.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/16/pelosi-biden-2024-elections-00168767


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Pelosi ! She’s 3 years older than Biden

[Ozyhibby]

Pelosi ! She’s 3 years older than Biden

She’s not going for the job.


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[greenginger]

She’s not going for the job.


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I know but the Dems are relying on an 84 year old to lead the Party to the new dawn

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/marionawfal/status/1813703955060584620?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Biden has Covid and is now open to standing aside.[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]


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[Jim44]

https://x.com/marionawfal/status/1813703955060584620?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Biden has Covid and is now open to standing aside.[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]


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I think it’s too late for any Biden replacement to make any inroads to Trump’s potential landslide victory.

[Stairway 2 7]

Trump is ahead of Biden 1.5% points in the polls of polls. Harris is slightly closer than Biden. I think she's definitely a better bet and if she does well in the debates it would be closer than just now

[overdrive]

Trump is ahead of Biden 1.5% points in the polls of polls. Harris is slightly closer than Biden. I think she's definitely a better bet and if she does well in the debates it would be closer than just now

Is doing well in debates a given? Sure, she'll be better than Biden at them but she's prone to a gaffe and talking nonsense herself. Saying that, I watched a YouTube video recently that was critical of her public speaking as VP but one of their theories was she was just a bit arrogant and she doesn't think she needs to prepare properly in situations where questions would be asked of her. Surely, she'd be fully prepped for these things in the event of running for President. I do think she struggles a bit, though when she has to think on her feet.

[Stairway 2 7]

Is doing well in debates a given? Sure, she'll be better than Biden at them but she's prone to a gaffe and talking nonsense herself. Saying that, I watched a YouTube video recently that was critical of her public speaking as VP but one of their theories was she was just a bit arrogant and she doesn't think she needs to prepare properly in situations where questions would be asked of her. Surely, she'd be fully prepped for these things in the event of running for President. I do think she struggles a bit, though when she has to think on her feet.

I don't think she's a good candidate but either is trump. Biden was to tired to force anything. Abortion is a huge problem for them in the swing states and Harris could hammer home on it. He'd be favourite regardless, the US is so polarised that it's doesn't matter who runs for most

[Ozyhibby]

I don't think she's a good candidate but either is trump. Biden was to tired to force anything. Abortion is a huge problem for them in the swing states and Harris could hammer home on it. He'd be favourite regardless, the US is so polarised that it's doesn't matter who runs for most

I think the appointment of Vance helps the democrats on this issue as well as others.


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[pollution]

Going off at an angle if I may: by any standards Trump's assassination attempt was global news and yet in The Times newspaper on Monday, Tuesday Wednesday and today guess how many letters were printed about this event ?One.Absolutely bizarre - I really don't understand it. I wrote asking them why, but no reply so far. I'm not saying that there should or shouldn't be, but really ?

[Ozyhibby]

Going off at an angle if I may: by any standards Trump's assassination attempt was global news and yet in The Times newspaper on Monday, Tuesday Wednesday and today guess how many letters were printed about this event ?One.Absolutely bizarre - I really don't understand it. I wrote asking them why, but no reply so far. I'm not saying that there should or shouldn't be, but really ?

While a shocking event, it’s not really a political event?
There doesn’t really appear to be a political motive. If Trump is not there, he maybe shoots at Biden or just heads down to his local primary school.


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[J-C]

Anyone else wondering if this was a set up, bullet misses, Trump pushed to the floor by secret service and a wee bit blood on his face and ear appears. How would shooter miss from where he was, then we have the nonsense about sloping roofs, when their own snipers were on a sloping roof. A lot of things not adding up and I'm never one for conspiracy theories.

[Hibs4185]

Anyone else wondering if this was a set up, bullet misses, Trump pushed to the floor by secret service and a wee bit blood on his face and ear appears. How would shooter miss from where he was, then we have the nonsense about sloping roofs, when their own snipers were on a sloping roof. A lot of things not adding up and I'm never one for conspiracy theories.

I have to admit I agree. That theory makes the most sense to me but like everything, I can’t believe it’s true.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Farage and Truss are a pair of goats, truss just blanks her https://x.com/MagheraSir/status/1814241530095321425

[Stairway 2 7]

Anyone else wondering if this was a set up, bullet misses, Trump pushed to the floor by secret service and a wee bit blood on his face and ear appears. How would shooter miss from where he was, then we have the nonsense about sloping roofs, when their own snipers were on a sloping roof. A lot of things not adding up and I'm never one for conspiracy theories.

For this to be a set up the republicans would have have to have found a willing 20 year old lad to commit suicide for the cause. He was filmed climbing up with the riffle and shooting, then filmed with a dozen bullets going in him and his head getting mushed. Who is willing to do that and how do the keep it a secret forever as it would obviously bring down everyone involved.

Further they have also got another man in the crowd who was shot to commit suicide. He has a decade of social media postings and friends who are grieving him. So two men dead to make trump look good. That's mental to me utterly.

[Stairway 2 7]

Notice Russell Brand has embraced everything Republican now. He's doing podcasts from the convention, had Farage yesterday spouting his bile

[500miles]

The assassination attempt hasn't put the boosters on Trump as thought. People don't like chaos. This RNC won't make people feel better either, absolutely madcap.

[grunt]

That's mental to me utterly.You have to admit there's some questions to be answered. How did a bullet from an M-15 just cause a small cut on his ear? Why did the Secret Service let him stand up for the photo? Why didn't they act when informed of the gunman minutes before the shooting? I'm not one for conspiracy theories (pause to allow laughter to die down) but there's something odd about this shooting.

[Stairway 2 7]

You have to admit there's some questions to be answered. How did a bullet from an M-15 just cause a small cut on his ear? Why did the Secret Service let him stand up for the photo? Why didn't they act when informed of the gunman minutes before the shooting? I'm not one for conspiracy theories (pause to allow laughter to die down) but there's something odd about this shooting.

So you go from legitimate questions and failings from the services to two people volunteering to commit suicide for the cause. Which is more nuts it's not even comparable. It was filmed in real time from hundreds of people. There's a photo of a bullet flying past him, videos of the perps head being blown off.

It seems incompetence from the security services, he was the distance of a football pitch away and that should have been cleared. The perps search records from Google show him searching all Trump and Bidens movements and searching about stress and depression in the months before

[Stairway 2 7]

The assassination attempt hasn't put the boosters on Trump as thought. People don't like chaos. This RNC won't make people feel better either, absolutely madcap.

He was mental last night. A competent opponent destroys him.

[grunt]

So you go from legitimate questions and failings from the services to two people volunteering to commit suicide for the cause. Which is more nuts it's not even comparable. It was filmed in real time from hundreds of people. There's a photo of a bullet flying past him, videos of the perps head being blown off. It seems incompetence from the security services, he was the distance of a football pitch away and that should have been cleared. The perps search records from Google show him searching all Trump and Bidens movements and searching about stress and depression in the months beforeOh dear. You seem to think everything is clear cut, everything is black and white. You seem so certain, all the time. I'm simply saying there are some questions to be answered.

[Stairway 2 7]

Oh dear. You seem to think everything is clear cut, everything is black and white. You seem so certain, all the time. I'm simply saying there are some questions to be answered.

Obviously there is questions why wouldn't there be with an incident like this. I was replying to someone saying it was a set up that's pretty black and white, I think it's ludicrous that it was.

[Ozyhibby]

The theory that makes the most sense to me is that a sad socially inadequate 20 year old wanted someone to notice him and Trump was coming to his town so he thought he would make himself famous and end it all in one go.
He climbed on a roof and from 130m he missed the target by millimetres. He probably would have made that shot 9/10 but with the heart racing etc he didn’t. Secret Service did not miss him.
Once he was shot dead the call went out on the radio that the threat was nuetralise and the Secret service went to move Trump. They had to stand him up but they were useless at that and put him in further danger had there been a 2nd shooter.
The Secret Service had massive failing in just about every area. There will be repercussions for them.

I know it’s a far fetched theory and I may get called a fantasist but that’s what I think happened.


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[Hibrandenburg]

The theory that makes the most sense to me is that a sad socially inadequate 20 year old wanted someone to notice him and Trump was coming to his town so he thought he would make himself famous and end it all in one go.
He climbed on a roof and from 130m he missed the target by millimetres. He probably would have made that shot 9/10 but with the heart racing etc he didn’t. Secret Service did not miss him.
Once he was shot dead the call went out on the radio that the threat was nuetralise and the Secret service went to move Trump. They had to stand him up but they were useless at that and put him in further danger had there been a 2nd shooter.
The Secret Service had massive failing in just about every area. There will be repercussions for them.

I know it’s a far fetched theory and I may get called a fantasist but that’s what I think happened.


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Or, you're 100% right about all of the above but the Secret Service deliberately let the gunman take his shot before neutralising him.

[Ozyhibby]

Or, you're 100% right about all of the above but the Secret Service deliberately let the gunman take his shot before neutralising him.

And risk their own officers? How many would be involved in such a conspiracy? How would they ensure their silence going forward?


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[grunt]

Obviously there is questions why wouldn't there be with an incident like this. I was replying to someone saying it was a set up that's pretty black and white, I think it's ludicrous that it was.But you quoted me? You were replying to me and I didn't say that.

[Stairway 2 7]

And risk their own officers? How many would be involved in such a conspiracy? How would they ensure their silence going forward?


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That's the biggest thing against the faked moon landings. Thousands of people from actors, set designers, dozens of tradesmans, admin ect ect all never letting slip until their death. Affairs with high ups involving two parties usually come out, involve dozens and it just comes out eventually, as boring as that is

[Keith_M]

Anyone else wondering if this was a set up, bullet misses, Trump pushed to the floor by secret service and a wee bit blood on his face and ear appears. How would shooter miss from where he was, then we have the nonsense about sloping roofs, when their own snipers were on a sloping roof. A lot of things not adding up and I'm never one for conspiracy theories. It is a bit bizarre, and I briefly wondered the same, but the fact was that the young guy just wasn't very good with a gun.

They interviewed some people he was at school with and he'd applied to join a group that took part in shooting 'sports' but wasn't considered good enough for the team.

[Ozyhibby]

It is a bit bizarre, and I briefly wondered the same, but the fact was that the young guy just wasn't very good with a gun.

They interviewed some people he was at school with and he'd applied to join a group that took part in shooting 'sports' but wasn't considered good enough for the team.

130m is a fair distance away. Unless he had experience on a range then it would be a difficult shot for most.


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[Hibrandenburg]

And risk their own officers? How many would be involved in such a conspiracy? How would they ensure their silence going forward?


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The first Secret Service agents got to trump about 4 seconds after the first round was fired. If they've got him in their sights then it only takes a fraction of a second to hit him after he's fired. A conspiracy to let Trump get shot doesn't have to involve everyone in the Secret Service.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories and I don't believe there is one here, but there are enough inconsistencies that will make people ask questions.

[greenginger]

130m is a fair distance away. Unless he had experience on a range then it would be a difficult shot for most.Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHe was a member of the Clairton Sportsman’s club, a shooting range.

[Ozyhibby]

The first Secret Service agents got to trump about 4 seconds after the first round was fired. If they've got him in their sights then it only takes a fraction of a second to hit him after he's fired. A conspiracy to let Trump get shot doesn't have to involve everyone in the Secret Service.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories and I don't believe there is one here, but there are enough inconsistencies that will make people ask questions.

I’ve honestly not seen anything in this other than incompetence and zero gun control.


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[Stairway 2 7]

The first Secret Service agents got to trump about 4 seconds after the first round was fired. If they've got him in their sights then it only takes a fraction of a second to hit him after he's fired. A conspiracy to let Trump get shot doesn't have to involve everyone in the Secret Service. I'm not one for conspiracy theories and I don't believe there is one here, but there are enough inconsistencies that will make people ask questions.Count out 4 seconds sound remarkably quick, you expect secret service to be on top of him quicker than that at all times. Trump was fortunate though he moved his head at the right time a second later and he's dead it was a perfect shot from that long distance. Loads of different angles and computer simulations but this shows clearly how close he was to death https://x.com/afshinrattansi/status/1813498260645974449The Photographs of the other bullet shows how close it came too.https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1812293722832318726

[Hibrandenburg]

And risk their own officers? How many would be involved in such a conspiracy? How would they ensure their silence going forward?


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And then there's the fact that someone must have already had a gun trained on the shooter before he fired, there's no way that only 4 seconds after his first shot, someone located him, took aim and then fired accurate shots to kill him.

[Stairway 2 7]

And then there's the fact that someone must have already had a gun trained on the shooter before he fired, there's no way that only 4 seconds after his first shot, someone located him, took aim and then fired accurate shots to kill him.

How many people do you reckon were involved in this plot to let the lad with mental health problems shoot the president. Surely a dozen secret service, higher ups team leaders, management that wanted it done, was the shooter in on it.

If your right it will be out within the year as not a hope in hell you contain that info

[McD]

I think there are definitely questions to be answered, I’m kinda with Grunt on this. There’s a lot of coincidences (maybe not the right word) that have all played out in Trump’s favour.

- He gets shot but not seriously injured, and not in a way that prevented him from instantly capitalising on the moment by pumping his fist and shouting to the crowd (who thinks to do this immediately after being fired at and injured by a bullet?)
- The gunman is killed on the spot so it can be spun in a number of ways as the gunman can’t tell us his motives.
- I think when looking at the video that the secret service seemed to take an age to get to him after he drops when hit in the ear, and then took an age to get him up, then another age to get moving to the car (reality vs Hollywood I know, but they show secret service tackling presidents to the ground and racing them to a car at a sprint, there was none of that here imo)
- The secret service sniper is seen looking down his scope, then his head popping up to look again at the shooter before putting his head back down to the scope just after the shot from the gunman, when do Americans take any chances in these situations?
- And then there’s the numerous people saying they’d been telling the police and secret service for at least a minute before the shot that they could see a man on the roof with a gun, why did no one of authority react to these people?
- How does an untrained man get into the general area, close (enough) to the podium, climb a roof, and position himself, all with an assault weapon, past secret service agents and police officers trained to look for exactly this type of activity?

Trump ultimately gets to play the victim card, gets to accuse his opposition of violence (which has been levelled at him repeatedly), gets to play the ‘hero injured in service of the country’ persona, it will drive his devotees to donate more money and drum up support for people to get out and vote for him. And, there’s really nothing his opponents can do in response.

Maybe the obvious (and possibly correct) answers are that after decades of threats being dealt with much earlier and better due diligence in controlling access to areas around VIPs, maybe the secret service were just complacent and not as prepared as they thought they were for both someone accessing the area with a deadly weapon and in protecting and moving the former president after an attack is made. The police were focussed on crowd control, and the gunman was nondescript enough to pass by and get himself into position.

[Stairway 2 7]

The best conspiracy is Trump was in on it. He was a millimeter from death bullets flying centimetres from him shot from 1 and a half football pitches away. If that was planned what a brave man a second later with the head move and he's dead. Fantastical from the lad willing to die for the cause too

[Ozyhibby]

The best conspiracy is Trump was in on it. He was a millimeter from death bullets flying centimetres from him shot from 1 and a half football pitches away. If that was planned what a brave man a second later with the head move and he's dead. Fantastical from the lad willing to die for the cause too

The shooter forgot to put all the pro Biden / Antifa literature all over his home though. Poor show.


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[Stairway 2 7]

The shooter forgot to put all the pro Biden / Antifa literature all over his home though. Poor show.


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Russia would have done a better job. Still laugh at the first year of the war when they found a house used by Ukrainian hidden agents in Moscow and the walls were full of pictures of the fuhrer, books on how to be a spy and a weapons stash like rambo