(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[cabbageandribs1875]

as expected, alex jones files for bankruptcy Alex Jones files for bankruptcy following $1.5 billion Sandy Hook verdicts | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alex-jones-files-bankruptcy-following-sandy-hook-verdict-court-filing-2022-12-02/)


no doubt a wad will be hidden under a settee somewhere, it was crazy fines he was given in the first place as there's no way he would be able to pay them

[davy67 +]

as expected, alex jones files for bankruptcy Alex Jones files for bankruptcy following $1.5 billion Sandy Hook verdicts | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alex-jones-files-bankruptcy-following-sandy-hook-verdict-court-filing-2022-12-02/)


no doubt a wad will be hidden under a settee somewhere, it was crazy fines he was given in the first place as there's no way he would be able to pay them

According to the lawyer representing the families filling for bankruptcy won't protect him. Any payments may be delayed though

[cabbageandribs1875]

According to the lawyer representing the families filling for bankruptcy won't protect him. Any payments may be delayed though


i don't understand why the judge fined him so much knowing full well he would never be able to pay they huge fines, he looks to have got away with shifting $61m last year because he probably knew which way this was going, the account analysts reckoned he maybe had up to $260m so why did the judge not just fine him say $150-160m and at least the families would have got something, this just looks like he's got away with shifting cash and sticking two fingers up, i hope that's not the case :dunno:


either way he's not going to be poor

[hibsbollah]

New York finds him GUILTY.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Trump firm guilty of defrauding tax authorities for more than 15 years (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-firm-guilty-of-defrauding-tax-authorities-for-more-than-15-years/ar-AA14Z4f4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=cbce530724764d809b046e7a658bad6a)


the accountant will be taking the rap

for a price

[Kato]

Trump firm guilty of defrauding tax authorities for more than 15 years (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-firm-guilty-of-defrauding-tax-authorities-for-more-than-15-years/ar-AA14Z4f4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=cbce530724764d809b046e7a658bad6a)


the accountant will be taking the rap

for a priceSounds like there may be more charges as the summing up mentioned Trump as having "ok'd tax fraud".

He is the wriggle meister though.

https://twitter.com/robertmdaws/status/1600208888015396864?t=oREaSCRR5-6yxTHQkT0fjA&s=08

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Warnock beats Walker in the Georgia runoff


the Dems already had control but that's now 51-49 and shouldn't need kamala harris for any tie-breaking vote

[cabbageandribs1875]

Sounds like there may be more charges as the summing up mentioned Trump as having "ok'd tax fraud".

He is the wriggle meister though.

https://twitter.com/robertmdaws/status/1600208888015396864?t=oREaSCRR5-6yxTHQkT0fjA&s=08

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Teflon Don, if he ever did have to pay a fine he would just get his believers to pay it :rolleyes:

[Hibbyradge]

Teflon Don, if he ever did have to pay a fine he would just get his believers to pay it :rolleyes:

That's because he's smart.

[cabbageandribs1875]

good, a Judge has lifted the bankruptcy protections that were put in place Judge strips Alex Jones of bankruptcy protections for $1.5 billion Sandy Hook debt - Raw Story - Celebrating 18 Years of Independent Journalism (https://www.rawstory.com/alex-jones-bankruptcy-2658986002/?fbclid=IwAR1n-6ML0KgLmkxtQESPjtXe8o2VTNRFLzM4Sbdkn_g8Qtft_wL3we-kx5U)

[Hibrandenburg]

Lock him up, lock him up!

[Bostonhibby]

Lock him up, lock him up!Maybe they'll build a wall?

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[Stairway 2 7]

****ing spiv

https://nypost.com/2022/12/21/trumps-claimed-negative-income-in-four-of-six-years-between-2015-2020-report/

Trumps paid $0 in taxes in 2020, reported negative income 4 times in 6 years, returns reveal

[Stairway 2 7]

What's it with right wing ***** storming government buildings, now Brazil

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1612167907982589952

[Stairway 2 7]

Biden had classified files at his home also

https://www.dw.com/en/white-house-says-classified-files-found-in-bidens-home/a-64370287

[Stairway 2 7]

2/1 favourite for the next election, jeez.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidJollyFL/status/1616276640430006273

@DavidJollyFL
It's easy to get numb to this stuff, but the DeSantis administration just banned the standardized AP African American Studies course from Florida High Schools, writing that such a topic "lacked educational value

[greenginger]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/21/us/politics/biden-documents.html

FBI search Bidens home and find more classified docs.

Think this is the 4th tranche.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Mike Pence: Classified documents found at former vice-president's home - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64392871)

Classified documents have been found at former US Vice-President Mike Pence's home in the latest secret paper discovery.

The documents, discovered by a lawyer last week for Mr Pence at his Indiana home, have been handed over to the FBI.


Special counsels are already looking at the handling of classified documents by President Joe Biden and ex-President Donald Trump.


Mr Trump faces a criminal investigation for allegedly mishandling files.


Representatives for Mr Pence sent a letter to the National Archives alerting them to the documents.


aah the orange man showing some affection for pence...


After the letter became public, Mr Trump quickly came to Mr Pence's defence, taking to his Truth Social social media platform to say that he is "an innocent man".


"He never did anything knowingly dishonest in his life," Mr Trump wrote. "Leave him alone!!!"


wasn't that long ago the Trump was saying this


Wyoming Republican Rep. Liz Cheney alleged Thursday that then-President Donald Trump said during last year’s Capitol riot that Vice President Mike Pence “deserves” to be hanged as Trump supporters chanted “hang Mike Pence.”

[grunt]

Damn she's good.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1621187681974685697?s=20&t=REWJ2460css4ohFCkVhWhQ

[cabbageandribs1875]

aw poor Taylor Greene....yet again

Marjorie Taylor Greene mocked for gushing over ‘anti-woke’ Super Bowl country star - not realising he’s a BLM activist (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/marjorie-taylor-greene-mocked-for-gushing-over-anti-woke-super-bowl-country-star-not-realising-he-s-a-blm-activist/ar-AA17qQrb?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=980b4c9f060e44aba20e8fb0af56e77f)

[Stairway 2 7]

Fox reporters knew privately the stolen election claims were nonsense

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fox-news-texts-tucker-carlson-trump-b2284710.html

[cabbageandribs1875]

Jimmy Carter is now Receiving Hospice care at Home, 98 is really quite an incredible age and not many couples will reach a 75th wedding anniversary

Former US President Jimmy Carter to receive hospice care - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64691009)





apologies i maybe shouldn't have included this on a thread regarding that vile creature Trump

[grunt]

How many people have crossed the border ???? :greengrin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FptB57tagAI8Lt-?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Glory Lurker]

How many people have crossed the border ???? :greengrin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FptB57tagAI8Lt-?format=jpg&name=900x900

An awfy lot of them must have gone back straight away. Mexico must be absolutely heaving!

What a horrible, horrible lady.

[J-C]

An awfy lot of them must have gone back straight away. Mexico must be absolutely heaving!

What a horrible, horrible lady.


Not very good with her Math eh? there's only 8 billion people in the world, 3 quarters have crossed into USA hahaha

[Ozyhibby]

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-news-agents/id1640878689?i=1000602507614

Second half of yesterday’s Newsagents podcast is about the massive lawsuit Fox News is facing and looks like losing $1.6bn over is fascinating.


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[One Day Soon]

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-news-agents/id1640878689?i=1000602507614

Second half of yesterday’s Newsagents podcast is about the massive lawsuit Fox News is facing and looks like losing $1.6bn over is fascinating.


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Excellent. This is the electronic voting company I think?

[Ozyhibby]

Excellent. This is the electronic voting company I think?

Yes, they make the counting machines.


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[Kato]

Yes, they make the counting machines.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSome commentators claiming Murdoch is guilty of sedition, given he knew the facts yet allowed his newsreaders to broadcast the opposite of those facts. The newsreaders knew the facts also, yet were happy to lie.

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[archie]

Some commentators claiming Murdoch is guilty of sedition, given he knew the facts yet allowed his newsreaders to broadcast the opposite of those facts. The newsreaders knew the facts also, yet were happy to lie.

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It really looks like Murdoch's evidence has sunk Fox's defence. Some of Sydney Powell's 'info' came from a source that claimed they could time travel. Lots of twists and turns to come, but this is serious.

[Kato]

It really looks like Murdoch's evidence has sunk Fox's defence. Some of Sydney Powell's 'info' came from a source that claimed they could time travel. Lots of twists and turns to come, but this is serious.Trial in April.

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[Ozyhibby]

Getting arrested Tuesday apparently.[emoji122]


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[cabbageandribs1875]

he's at it again, this nasty **** is going to get innocent Americans killed Trump’s chilling warning of what will happen after his indictment (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-s-chilling-warning-of-what-will-happen-after-his-indictment/ar-AA18IuFh?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=988480f2a7684fc1b042428b03a81fe3&ei=95) he's deliberately inciting the morons, a PoS this world will be a better place without

[Sergio sledge]

Today is meant to be the day he's arrested. Is it just me watching on with morbid curiosity to see what happens? I worry there will be some big problems and potentially loss of life given the rhetoric coming from him and his supporters. I'd have been inclined to let Trump away with whatever they think he has done and try to get him to fade away into the background, the pursuit of him only seems to be fueling the fire in his supporters and making things worse IMHO. There comes a point where decisions have to be made for the greater good and, whilst he may be a criminal and an all around bad guy, is this pursuit of charges against him in the interest of the greater good?

I'm really struggling to see how the USA resolves this whole situation, there's such a divide between the two political parties and it seems to be getting pushed wider and everyone is becoming so entrenched. All the political leaders in that country need to take a step back and look at what effect their words and actions are having and start working towards reconciliation rather than further antagonisation which already has led to, and could ultimately lead to more, pretty nasty stuff happening. There's even talk from politicians about separating red and blue states, which would have been unheard of 10 years ago.

Sadly twitter and "new media" whilst they can be a force for good, has been a massive part of the antagonisation and entrenchment of both sides, it definitely seems like where people would have worked together in the past and come to compromises to allow both sides of the political spectrum to live and work together they won't even compromise one bit on either side now. The views of more moderate people on both sides has been completely drowned out by the very vocal extremists who in the past wouldn't have had a platform for their extremism to allow it to filter out to other people.

Unfortunately we can see that sort of thing creeping into UK politics and it's not nice to see.

[Smartie]

Today is meant to be the day he's arrested. Is it just me watching on with morbid curiosity to see what happens? I worry there will be some big problems and potentially loss of life given the rhetoric coming from him and his supporters. I'd have been inclined to let Trump away with whatever they think he has done and try to get him to fade away into the background, the pursuit of him only seems to be fueling the fire in his supporters and making things worse IMHO. There comes a point where decisions have to be made for the greater good and, whilst he may be a criminal and an all around bad guy, is this pursuit of charges against him in the interest of the greater good?

I'm really struggling to see how the USA resolves this whole situation, there's such a divide between the two political parties and it seems to be getting pushed wider and everyone is becoming so entrenched. All the political leaders in that country need to take a step back and look at what effect their words and actions are having and start working towards reconciliation rather than further antagonisation which already has led to, and could ultimately lead to more, pretty nasty stuff happening. There's even talk from politicians about separating red and blue states, which would have been unheard of 10 years ago.

Sadly twitter and "new media" whilst they can be a force for good, has been a massive part of the antagonisation and entrenchment of both sides, it definitely seems like where people would have worked together in the past and come to compromises to allow both sides of the political spectrum to live and work together they won't even compromise one bit on either side now. The views of more moderate people on both sides has been completely drowned out by the very vocal extremists who in the past wouldn't have had a platform for their extremism to allow it to filter out to other people.

Unfortunately we can see that sort of thing creeping into UK politics and it's not nice to see.

Re the end of your first paragraph - it can never be in the greater good to turn a blind eye to wrongdoing and criminality because of the fear of repercussions. It only emboldens the wrongdoers.

America is a tinderbox right now but I don’t think fear should stop the right thing from happening. If he deserves to be arrested then he should be, the consequences of that dealt with even if scary, crazy stuff blows up.

The greater good is served by Trump being treated appropriately, arrested and charged if necessary.

[neil7908]

Today is meant to be the day he's arrested. Is it just me watching on with morbid curiosity to see what happens? I worry there will be some big problems and potentially loss of life given the rhetoric coming from him and his supporters. I'd have been inclined to let Trump away with whatever they think he has done and try to get him to fade away into the background, the pursuit of him only seems to be fueling the fire in his supporters and making things worse IMHO. There comes a point where decisions have to be made for the greater good and, whilst he may be a criminal and an all around bad guy, is this pursuit of charges against him in the interest of the greater good?

I'm really struggling to see how the USA resolves this whole situation, there's such a divide between the two political parties and it seems to be getting pushed wider and everyone is becoming so entrenched. All the political leaders in that country need to take a step back and look at what effect their words and actions are having and start working towards reconciliation rather than further antagonisation which already has led to, and could ultimately lead to more, pretty nasty stuff happening. There's even talk from politicians about separating red and blue states, which would have been unheard of 10 years ago.

Sadly twitter and "new media" whilst they can be a force for good, has been a massive part of the antagonisation and entrenchment of both sides, it definitely seems like where people would have worked together in the past and come to compromises to allow both sides of the political spectrum to live and work together they won't even compromise one bit on either side now. The views of more moderate people on both sides has been completely drowned out by the very vocal extremists who in the past wouldn't have had a platform for their extremism to allow it to filter out to other people.

Unfortunately we can see that sort of thing creeping into UK politics and it's not nice to see.

I get your point to a certain extent but the one thing he's not doing is fading into the background - he's running for President again, and stands a decent chance of winning.

I'm not saying prosecute him to stop that. But he isn't going away, which leaves a choice to be made. And if he's committed crimes, he should be on trial like anyone else.

[Stairway 2 7]

Justice isn't a movable object or to be used to help in elections ect. You can’t back down to nutters over the threat of violence from a few.

[Sergio sledge]

Re the end of your first paragraph - it can never be in the greater good to turn a blind eye to wrongdoing and criminality because of the fear of repercussions. It only emboldens the wrongdoers.

America is a tinderbox right now but I don’t think fear should stop the right thing from happening. If he deserves to be arrested then he should be, the consequences of that dealt with, even if scary, crazy stuff blows up.

The greater good is served by Trump being treated appropriately, arrested and charged if necessary.

I understand that, but I wonder if we have to treat something like this almost like a war time situation because I'm fearful that the USA is lurching towards civil war if they are not careful.

It's not about turning a blind eye to things, and I'm certainly not saying this as any defense of Trump, he's a horrible man who should never have gotten to the position of president in the first place, but if acknowledging that further pursuit of him is stoking the fire and driving the counrty closer to issues would lead to a back off on both sides and a calming of the rhetoric then I think that would be worth it.

You only have to look at (clearly not the same scale, seriousness or impact) the likes of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa for an example of a country drawing a line in the sand, accepting the wrongs of the past but realising that the pursuit of prosecutions (in some cases) is not necessarily the best way to move on with life to try and bring the country together. (n.b. Admittedly there is some debate as to the success of this commission.)

The other agreement I that comes to mind is the Good Friday Peace Agreement where prisoner release was a big part of it. Drawing a line in the sand and trying to move forward.

The big question, as neil7908 mentions, would be whether he would fade into the background, which he is clearly not doing just now.

I think there was a time post January 6th where more moderate Republicans had come out in public against Trump and his support was probably at it's lowest ebb where he may have faded away if they could have maintained that momentum he would have been pretty irrelevant to the next election. Unfortunately I think the pursuit of Trump, however just it may be, has only led to a rise in support for him, even from moderates who think that he's being persecuted unfairly.

[archie]

I understand that, but I wonder if we have to treat something like this almost like a war time situation because I'm fearful that the USA is lurching towards civil war if they are not careful.

It's not about turning a blind eye to things, and I'm certainly not saying this as any defense of Trump, he's a horrible man who should never have gotten to the position of president in the first place, but if acknowledging that further pursuit of him is stoking the fire and driving the counrty closer to issues would lead to a back off on both sides and a calming of the rhetoric then I think that would be worth it.

You only have to look at (clearly not the same scale, seriousness or impact) the likes of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa for an example of a country drawing a line in the sand, accepting the wrongs of the past but realising that the pursuit of prosecutions (in some cases) is not necessarily the best way to move on with life to try and bring the country together. (n.b. Admittedly there is some debate as to the success of this commission.)

The other agreement I that comes to mind is the Good Friday Peace Agreement where prisoner release was a big part of it. Drawing a line in the sand and trying to move forward.

The big question, as neil7908 mentions, would be whether he would fade into the background, which he is clearly not doing just now.

I think there was a time post January 6th where more moderate Republicans had come out in public against Trump and his support was probably at it's lowest ebb where he may have faded away if they could have maintained that momentum he would have been pretty irrelevant to the next election. Unfortunately I think the pursuit of Trump, however just it may be, has only led to a rise in support for him, even from moderates who think that he's being persecuted unfairly.

I think it's really tricky. Personally I think he is as guilty as hell and everybody knows it. And justice should be applied equally. But he will weaponise it. I think it was Politico that made the point that it would energise 99% of his base. The problem for him is the 1% of the electorate it turns off.

[neil7908]

I understand that, but I wonder if we have to treat something like this almost like a war time situation because I'm fearful that the USA is lurching towards civil war if they are not careful.

It's not about turning a blind eye to things, and I'm certainly not saying this as any defense of Trump, he's a horrible man who should never have gotten to the position of president in the first place, but if acknowledging that further pursuit of him is stoking the fire and driving the counrty closer to issues would lead to a back off on both sides and a calming of the rhetoric then I think that would be worth it.

You only have to look at (clearly not the same scale, seriousness or impact) the likes of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa for an example of a country drawing a line in the sand, accepting the wrongs of the past but realising that the pursuit of prosecutions (in some cases) is not necessarily the best way to move on with life to try and bring the country together. (n.b. Admittedly there is some debate as to the success of this commission.)

The other agreement I that comes to mind is the Good Friday Peace Agreement where prisoner release was a big part of it. Drawing a line in the sand and trying to move forward.

The big question, as neil7908 mentions, would be whether he would fade into the background, which he is clearly not doing just now.

I think there was a time post January 6th where more moderate Republicans had come out in public against Trump and his support was probably at it's lowest ebb where he may have faded away if they could have maintained that momentum he would have been pretty irrelevant to the next election. Unfortunately I think the pursuit of Trump, however just it may be, has only led to a rise in support for him, even from moderates who think that he's being persecuted unfairly.

I think he was always going to run again though. I don't for a second buy the notion that he would ever have to disappeared. And unfortunately there is enough public support behind him from the Republican base that the moderates in the party won't turn against him now. They have seen what happens to those who speak out.

Unfortunately there are no easy options here. If you look at Bolsonaro, he has left Brazil and allowed things to move on. Trump has done the opposite and left no room for any other choice. If he has indeed committed crimes, America has a judicial process that all citizens are part of and subject to.

If he has indeed been committing multiple crimes and gets away with it, it's near impossible to prosecute if he becomes President again.

And why would anyone thinking he'd just go on the straight and narrow at this point - he would certainly behave even worse knowing he's got away with it before and will stop at nothing to keep power.

Letting him back into office by ignoring his crimes sounds like a genuinely insane option. I don't want to go all Godwins Law here but we'd be talking about appeasing a fascist dictator. Look how well that worked in the 1930s.

[cabbageandribs1875]

one day maybe....yeah right



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrsBh44WIAEctiV?format=jpg&name=large

[grunt]

Developments overnight in the case of Trump and the classified documents he took when he left the WH.

[Smartie]

Developments overnight in the case of Trump and the classified documents he took when he left the WH.

Do you have any sources for this?

It’s quite hard to wade through all the Donald Trump stuff that’s out there right now.

[grunt]

Do you have any sources for this?
Best I can find just now https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1638338170885373958?s=20

[archie]

Best I can find just now https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1638338170885373958?s=20

Maybe this?

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/21/trump-crime-fraud-attorney-documents-probe-00088215

[Smartie]

Very interesting.

Thanks folks.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the GOP is rife with repugnant individuals nowayears....just like a certain political party in the UK



Greene's DC jail visit pulls GOP closer to Jan. 6 rioters (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/us/greene-s-dc-jail-visit-pulls-gop-closer-to-jan-6-rioters/ar-AA193lmh?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=217598ed3f394492b8ca68ff09f9fc44&ei=11)

[Smartie]

the GOP is rife with repugnant individuals nowayears....just like a certain political party in the UK



Greene's DC jail visit pulls GOP closer to Jan. 6 rioters (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/us/greene-s-dc-jail-visit-pulls-gop-closer-to-jan-6-rioters/ar-AA193lmh?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=217598ed3f394492b8ca68ff09f9fc44&ei=11)

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/shock-poll-gop-voters-overwhelmingly-say-u-s-doing-too-little-in-ukraine/

I've got no idea about the accuracy or impartiality of the source, but on the subject of the GOP I have to say that this surprised me a bit.

Although maybe it shouldn't? Should we expect the ultra-nationalist element of the USA to be more about flexing it's muscles on the international stage or withdrawing into itself?

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/shock-poll-gop-voters-overwhelmingly-say-u-s-doing-too-little-in-ukraine/

I've got no idea about the accuracy or impartiality of the source, but on the subject of the GOP I have to say that this surprised me a bit.

Although maybe it shouldn't? Should we expect the ultra-nationalist element of the USA to be more about flexing it's muscles on the international stage or withdrawing into itself?


and Trump is at it yet again Trump warns of 'death and destruction' if he is indicted on Stormy Daniels charges (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-warns-of-death-and-destruction-if-he-is-indicted-on-stormy-daniels-charges/ar-AA192nDA?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2a8a16c92d97476f9f0cca9573f24d5d&ei=20)

"death and destruction" if he is indicted


i'll say it again, more innocent American citizens will die because of him

[Callum_62]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/30/trump-ny-indictment/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Lock him up....

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[blackpoolhibs]

https://youtu.be/tqHKCIzNJ0s

[LunasBoots]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/30/trump-ny-indictment/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Lock him up....

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He'll just get the best lawyers and get off with it.

Interesting all the republicans outraged the day but weren't outraged when chanting 'lock her up' during Trumps last campaign

[hibsbollah]

He'll just get the best lawyers and get off with it.

Interesting all the republicans outraged the day but weren't outraged when chanting 'lock her up' during Trumps last campaign

I’m reading it could take year or more to even reach trial.

[Hibs Class]

the GOP is rife with repugnant individuals nowayears....just like a certain political party in the UK



Greene's DC jail visit pulls GOP closer to Jan. 6 rioters (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/us/greene-s-dc-jail-visit-pulls-gop-closer-to-jan-6-rioters/ar-AA193lmh?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=217598ed3f394492b8ca68ff09f9fc44&ei=11)

There’s no comparison between the likes of Trump, MTG, Boebert, Gaetz et al and any mainstream UK party.

[neil7908]

There’s no comparison between the likes of Trump, MTG, Boebert, Gaetz et al and any mainstream UK party.

I'm not so sure. I don't think we are quite there yet. But...

The Rwanda stuff is just as bad as "build the wall" and Boris and his supporters have come across as increasingly Trumpian with their reaction to the covid enquiry against him. And Brexit was as big a lie as any told by the Republicans.

In my lifetime it's generally been a case of where America goes, we follow. And I think we are pretty close behind.

[JimBHibees]

I'm not so sure. I don't think we are quite there yet. But...

The Rwanda stuff is just as bad as "build the wall" and Boris and his supporters have come across as increasingly Trumpian with their reaction to the covid enquiry against him. And Brexit was as big a lie as any told by the Republicans.

In my lifetime it's generally been a case of where America goes, we follow. And I think we are pretty close behind.

Totally agree the widespread corruption the compliance of the media and broadcasters suggest we aren't far off and certainly following a similar path.

[Ozyhibby]

Totally agree the widespread corruption the compliance of the media and broadcasters suggest we aren't far off and certainly following a similar path.

Corruption in UK is as bad today I think as it has been at any time in my lifetime. And nobody seems to care. Everyone can see it happening and there seems to be no penalty for it. And there is nothing from Labour about stopping it.


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[archie]

Corruption in UK is as bad today I think as it has been at any time in my lifetime. And nobody seems to care. Everyone can see it happening and there seems to be no penalty for it. And there is nothing from Labour about stopping it.


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Evidence?

[Ozyhibby]

Evidence?

Find your own. It is my opinion.


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[archie]

Find your own. It is my opinion.


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So no evidence then.

[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/31/uk-global-corruption-index-transparency-international-qatar-russia-brazil


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[grunt]

Find your own. It is my opinion.:top marks

[neil7908]

So no evidence then.

https://www.transparency.org.uk/uk-corruption-perceptions-index-2022-score-CPI

[Just_Jimmy]

Corruption in UK is as bad today I think as it has been at any time in my lifetime. And nobody seems to care. Everyone can see it happening and there seems to be no penalty for it. And there is nothing from Labour about stopping it.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI think that's spot on. There's numerous mps swanning about without a concern about punishment or repercussions to their blatant disregard to the rule of law or indeed, human decency.

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[archie]

https://www.transparency.org.uk/uk-corruption-perceptions-index-2022-score-CPI

That's exactly the sort of thing I thought Ozyhibby would post. What does it show? A declining score - that's a legitimate issue. But significantly better than the average. Not grounds for complacency.

[grunt]

That's exactly the sort of thing I thought Ozyhibby would post. What does it show? A declining score - that's a legitimate issue. But significantly better than the average. Not grounds for complacency.
He says, complacently.

[Eaststand]

Find your own. It is my opinion.


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Well said sir, I wish more posters would follow your lead on this 👍

GGTTH

[archie]

He says, complacently.

How can you take that from what I posted?

[archie]

Well said sir, I wish more posters would follow your lead on this 👍

GGTTH

Just post unsubstantiated opinion? Really?

[Smartie]

Just post unsubstantiated opinion? Really?

It’s a politics forum for fitba fans.

I quite like an arena where folk are free to share opinions whether they be credible or not or whether they be evidence backed or not.

There are enough demands in other parts of my life to provide references when making decisions.

We’re not asked to provide evidence when we put our democratic tick in the box.

Although any time anyone wants to provide anything they consider to be “evidence” then that’s welcome. Even if it comes from the Spectator.

[archie]

It’s a politics forum for fitba fans.

I quite like an arena where folk are free to share opinions whether they be credible or not or whether they be evidence backed or not.

There are enough demands in other parts of my life to provide references when making decisions.

We’re not asked to provide evidence when we put our democratic tick in the box.

Although any time anyone wants to provide anything they consider to be “evidence” then that’s welcome. Even if it comes from the Spectator.

OK. But in my opinion (geddit) the views people put forward for debate are richer if they are grounded in some objective reality.

[Smartie]

OK. But in my opinion (geddit) the views people put forward for debate are richer if they are grounded in some objective reality.

A perfectly reasonable opinion.

“Objective reality” is easier to quantify in some areas than others.

Such as above - some “evidence” has been provided re Tory corruption. I think a fair bit of weight can be given to intuitive gut feel here - does it feel like they’re taking the piss out of us?

And I’d happily provide my opinion (they’re a shower of absolute charlatans) yet respect that of someone who might disagree and not be all that bothered about providing evidence.

[archie]

A perfectly reasonable opinion.

“Objective reality” is easier to quantify in some areas than others.

Such as above - some “evidence” has been provided re Tory corruption. I think a fair bit of weight can be given to intuitive gut feel here - does it feel like they’re taking the piss out of us?

And I’d happily provide my opinion (they’re a shower of absolute charlatans) yet respect that of someone who might disagree and not be all that bothered about providing evidence.

I think it really depends on the issue. I agree that the Tories are a shower of charlatans. As a political opinion I don't think that needs evidenced. Why? Because it's a summary of how you feel. But there's a lot of assertions on here that need a bit more than the feelz. It was posted recently about how England takes our water. That was simply untrue and I think that should be challenged. Predictably that was met with 'not yet'. There's been similar stuff on energy prices.

Ultimately it a sub forum of a football forum and people can post what they like. But I think it's legitimate to ask for evidence. While I think it weakens a point if people won't provide any, that's up to them.

Also, posting on here is a bit of fun - the day it isn't is when I stop.

[Ozyhibby]

A perfectly reasonable opinion.

“Objective reality” is easier to quantify in some areas than others.

Such as above - some “evidence” has been provided re Tory corruption. I think a fair bit of weight can be given to intuitive gut feel here - does it feel like they’re taking the piss out of us?

And I’d happily provide my opinion (they’re a shower of absolute charlatans) yet respect that of someone who might disagree and not be all that bothered about providing evidence.

My original point was that nobody seems to care that the levels of corruption are rising and Archie is proving that with this.


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[archie]

My original point was that nobody seems to care that the levels of corruption are rising and Archie is proving that with this.


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Which bit of the declining score being an issue and not being complacent about being above the western European average leads you to suggest I don't care?

[grunt]

How can you take that from what I posted?
By the simple method of reading what you wrote.

[archie]

By the simple method of reading what you wrote.

As said to Ozyhibby: ' Which bit of the declining score being an issue and not being complacent about being above the western European average leads you to suggest I don't care?'

Maybe reading what you want to see rather than what I said?

[neil7908]

Totally agree the widespread corruption the compliance of the media and broadcasters suggest we aren't far off and certainly following a similar path.

The media is a good point as well actually.

Our tabloids have always been terrible but Fox News was still ahead in the awfulness stakes.

However, that Mail, Express and even the supposed intellectual broadsheets like that Telegraph and Times have got more and more right wing and unhinged in the last 10 or so years.

And we now have the likes of GB news and Talk TV.

[J-C]

Evidence?


Michelle Moane pocketing millions for PPE that was useless
Dodgy PPE contracts
Illegal parties during covid
Lying to the House of Commons

That's 4 just of the top of my head.

[archie]

Michelle Moane pocketing millions for PPE that was useless
Dodgy PPE contracts
Illegal parties during covid
Lying to the House of Commons

That's 4 just of the top of my head.

1. Might be 2. Might be. 3. Evidence of the opposite - they got FPNs and Johnson is being held up for misleading Parliament. 4. Not evidence of corruption.

[J-C]

1. Might be 2. Might be. 3. Evidence of the opposite - they got FPNs and Johnson is being held up for misleading Parliament. 4. Not evidence of corruption.



Jeez man you're a right staunch Tory, even to the point of denying everything that's obvious, I'll just skim your posts from now on as they're nonsense.

[archie]

Jeez man you're a right staunch Tory, even to the point of denying everything that's obvious, I'll just skim your posts from now on as they're nonsense.

Clearly you haven't read my posts as, if you had, you would realise that 'staunch tory' couldn't be further from the truth. Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it so. Which bit was 'nonsense' BTW?

[Kato]

Clearly you haven't read my posts as, if you had, you would realise that 'staunch tory' couldn't be further from the truth. Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it so. Which bit was 'nonsense' BTW?The VIP Lane was found to be illegal in a court of law.

Nothing material has come from that decision and no one has been held to account.

Explain how the corruption in these multiple cases is "might be".

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[grunt]

The VIP Lane was found to be illegal in a court of law.

Nothing material has come from that decision and no one has been held to account.

Explain how the corruption in these multiple cases is "might be".

The bill for wasted / inadequate PPE is currently more than £14bn. That's £14bn of our money that people have received - many of them friends and family of Tory party MPs, members and donors - and we've had nothing in return. Tell me how that's not corruption in plain sight.

And people get exercised about the ferries.

[WhileTheChief..]

This is going to be really interesting watching it all unfold.

It'll take us right up to the election and the very real possibility that he will be up against Biden again.

Crazy to think that he's anywhere near the Republican nomination, let alone the favourite.

[JeMeSouviens]

This is going to be really interesting watching it all unfold.

It'll take us right up to the election and the very real possibility that he will be up against Biden again.

Crazy to think that he's anywhere near the Republican nomination, let alone the favourite.

Heard some analysis by an American commentator on 5 live the other night. They reckoned this will rally his base and thus make him more likely to win the nomination but simultaneously be alienating swing voters and making him less likely to beat Biden. Biden is not exactly soaring in the popularity stakes himself, it's reckoned that Trump is the only Republican he'd probably beat.

[JeMeSouviens]

Jeez man you're a right staunch Tory, even to the point of denying everything that's obvious, I'll just skim your posts from now on as they're nonsense.

I think archie is straddling the tricky divide of criticising the running of the British state by Tories but simultaneously defending the functioning of the British state because to suggest otherwise might lead to Scottish Indy.

"The car will be fine if we can just change the driver".

Ironically, the real Archie supported Yes. :wink:


Westminster is only interested in protecting its own wealth. The people of Scotland must take charge of decisions regarding their own future.

Self-government, self-control and self-esteem - that is what independence will bring to Scotland.

[Stairway 2 7]

In Fahrenheit 11/9 Michael Moore showed the more negative press the better the polling for Trump, woke elites attacking Trump ect.

Sadly similar is happening this week as Trump has risen in the polls, 25 points ahead of Di Santis and leading Biden. Republicans also sadly odds on to win next year

[Ozyhibby]

In Fahrenheit 11/9 Michael Moore showed the more negative press the better the polling for Trump, woke elites attacking Trump ect.

Sadly similar is happening this week as Trump has risen in the polls, 25 points ahead of Di Santis and leading Biden. Republicans also sadly odds on to win next year

The law is the law though. If he has broken it then he should be prosecuted.


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[Stairway 2 7]

The law is the law though. If he has broken it then he should be prosecuted.


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No doubt about that, he definitely should

[Stairway 2 7]

Now under arrest. Will get finger prints but no mugshot boo

[archie]

I think archie is straddling the tricky divide of criticising the running of the British state by Tories but simultaneously defending the functioning of the British state because to suggest otherwise might lead to Scottish Indy.

"The car will be fine if we can just change the driver".

Ironically, the real Archie supported Yes. :wink:

The real, real Archie here. Nothing tricky about it. Irrespective of the issue you guys raise the solution is always separation. I don't support a yes vote because I think it would be convulsive and seriously impact ordinary people. To be fair yes supporters here have acknowledged risk and pain with independence.

[Keith_M]

I thought this was supposed to be a thread about Trump?


:confused:

[Glory Lurker]

I thought this was supposed to be a thread about Trump?


:confused:

Is it not about BBC bias?

[Smartie]

Trump is an absolute maniac.

A dangerous one.

I just hope enough of the 320 million Americans can see through this nonsense.

[hibsbollah]

Is it not about BBC bias?

:faf:

Nothing is ever on topic anymore.
Archie could make Donald Trump digress from his main points :greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

Hopefully a dead cat bounce but can see him definitely being nominated, will be harder against Biden, hopefully

“Trump leads with 51%, DeSantis 21%, Mike Pence 6%, Nikki Haley 4%, In our January survey, Trump led the field with 43%, and DeSantis was at 31%. Trump’s lead has gone from 12 points to 30 points” https://mclaughlinonline.com/2023/04/03/new-polling-memo-support-for-president-trump-surges-after-manhattan-da-indictment/

[Jones28]

Hopefully a dead cat bounce but can see him definitely being nominated, will be harder against Biden, hopefully

“Trump leads with 51%, DeSantis 21%, Mike Pence 6%, Nikki Haley 4%, In our January survey, Trump led the field with 43%, and DeSantis was at 31%. Trump’s lead has gone from 12 points to 30 points” https://mclaughlinonline.com/2023/04/03/new-polling-memo-support-for-president-trump-surges-after-manhattan-da-indictment/

In a nation of 300 million people, how earth can Grandpa Joe and Donald ****ing Trump be the only two candidates people can choose from? Its a nonsense.

[archie]

In a nation of 300 million people, how earth can Grandpa Joe and Donald ****ing Trump be the only two candidates people can choose from? Its a nonsense.

How can the Bush family have had two presidents and a third member run and the Clinton's have one and another candidate in the last 40 years?

[JeMeSouviens]

The real, real Archie here. Nothing tricky about it. Irrespective of the issue you guys raise the solution is always separation. I don't support a yes vote because I think it would be convulsive and seriously impact ordinary people. To be fair yes supporters here have acknowledged risk and pain with independence.

Sorry, for all I know you may be a lovely archie, but there's only one real Archie. :wink:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMoRkdrUkAAzLu1.jpg

[JeMeSouviens]

Hopefully a dead cat bounce but can see him definitely being nominated, will be harder against Biden, hopefully

“Trump leads with 51%, DeSantis 21%, Mike Pence 6%, Nikki Haley 4%, In our January survey, Trump led the field with 43%, and DeSantis was at 31%. Trump’s lead has gone from 12 points to 30 points” https://mclaughlinonline.com/2023/04/03/new-polling-memo-support-for-president-trump-surges-after-manhattan-da-indictment/

If you want the Dems to win in the end, pray he does get nominated. Any other Republican will win easily.

[wookie70]

If you want the Dems to win in the end, pray he does get nominated. Any other Republican will win easily.
That is my take too. Biden can't beat any of the others.

[archie]

Sorry, for all I know you may be a lovely archie, but there's only one real Archie. :wink:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMoRkdrUkAAzLu1.jpg

I am Archie!

[nonshinyfinish]

How can the Bush family have had two presidents and a third member run and the Clinton's have one and another candidate in the last 40 years?Here's a new leftfield candidate to freshen things up: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65197673

What?

Oh.

[heretoday]

And it's Trump v Kennedy in the race for the White House!

[Ozyhibby]

And it's Trump v Kennedy in the race for the White House!

Zero chance that’s happening.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

seven years jail for this one Capitol rioter who crushed officer with shield gets prison (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/us/capitol-rioter-who-crushed-officer-with-shield-gets-prison/ar-AA19Sg5K?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4a419e71a2884a4aab07ddab142d2647&ei=31)

[Stairway 2 7]

It’s well known De Santis had taken a less extreme position on abortion than others on that wing of the party. You obviously didn’t know that

Not as extreme, but pretty ******g extreme compared to pretty much anyone


A reup mate. De santis has just banned abortion Post 6 weeks, thats before a huge number even know they are pregnant. Rape and incest victims can get a waver but only after they have a police report and restraining order

He claimed the law would "defend the dignity of human life and transform Florida into a pro-family state

https://mobile.twitter.com/Imposter_Edits/status/1646995262743691266
Fascist Ron DeSantis has to remind the people he has forced to be around him as he signs the 6-week abortion bill to cheer. The bill forces underage victims of sex crimes to have paperwork before a medical emergency abortion

[hibsbollah]

Not as extreme, but pretty ******g extreme compared to pretty much anyone


A reup mate. De santis has just banned abortion Post 6 weeks, thats before a huge number even know they are pregnant. Rape and incest victims can get a waver but only after they have a police report and restraining order

He claimed the law would "defend the dignity of human life and transform Florida into a pro-family state

https://mobile.twitter.com/Imposter_Edits/status/1646995262743691266
Fascist Ron DeSantis has to remind the people he has forced to be around him as he signs the 6-week abortion bill to cheer. The bill forces underage victims of sex crimes to have paperwork before a medical emergency abortion

Thanks, I haven’t been following political developments much this week. An interesting take from The Hill here. DeSantis is being dragged by the short and curlies on the issue, I don’t think he wants to fight it, and it’s far from clear in a VERY fractured state like Florida whether it’s a vote winner even amongst the GOP. (Also, it’s 15 weeks in cases of rape and incest, the areas where he’s taken a less extreme position than the religious right, because he knows THATs what hurt them electorally before, even for some of the nutters in the lunatic right wing fringe, lack of exemptions makes no sense). He’s a dangerous extremist no doubt about it of course.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3951097-desantis-abortion-2024-trump-roe-florida/amp/

[Stairway 2 7]

Thanks, I haven’t been following political developments much this week. An interesting take from The Hill here. DeSantis is being dragged by the short and curlies on the issue, I don’t think he wants to fight it, and it’s far from clear in a VERY fractured state like Florida whether it’s a vote winner even amongst the GOP. (Also, it’s 15 weeks in cases of rape and incest, the areas where he’s taken a less extreme position than the religious right, because he knows THATs what hurt them electorally before, even for some of the nutters in the lunatic right wing fringe, lack of exemptions makes no sense). He’s a dangerous extremist no doubt about it of course.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3951097-desantis-abortion-2024-trump-roe-florida/amp/

It's worrying that someone you would think would have clout being in the running for president would be controlled by that group. Trump is a populist and I don't think cares about much but the second favourite seems in the pockets of fundamentalists.

Republicans are favourites for next year. Could we see abortion being illegal federally next year. It's scary. America really is knackered and I like large parts of it and many of its people

[hibsbollah]

It's worrying that someone you would think would have clout being in the running for president would be controlled by that group. Trump is a populist and I don't think cares about much but the second favourite seems in the pockets of fundamentalists.

Republicans are favourites for next year. Could we see abortion being illegal federally next year. It's scary. America really is knackered and I like large parts of it and many of its people

The Evangelical movement is absolutely huge in a way it’s hard for other countries to properly understand. We’re talking 25% of the US population being broadly evangelical Protestant and 10% being proper ‘born again’ radical political evangelicals. These people are entitled by definition (they have a ‘manifest destiny’ to be there, remember those bible classes, chil’ren) and influence all sorts of nasty policy areas like abortion, Israel and the Middle East and race politics.

In lots of ways they are very different from the new Incel inspired, freedom first gun loving libertarians who want to give BLM activists a beating on demos in urban areas who are probably more naturally aligned with DeSantis, but they are all hitched to the same political wagon. Equally nasty (in my eyes at least) but motivated by different things.

[One Day Soon]

GIRUY to this Trump erchie.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65350125

[grunt]

Tucker Carlson sacked by Fox.

[Stairway 2 7]

Tucker Carlson sacked by Fox.

Good although he'll get some poisonous online platform I'm sure

[weecounty hibby]

Tucker Carlson sacked by Fox.
Possible that this could make him even more dangerous

[Lendo]

Tucker Carlson sacked by Fox.

Wonder if this was a demand as part of the Dominion settlement agreement. Timing is too much of a coincidence.

[Jones28]

Good although he'll get some poisonous online platform I'm sure

Probably reboot info wars with that Alex Jones prick.

[Ozyhibby]

Wonder if this was a demand as part of the Dominion settlement agreement. Timing is too much of a coincidence.

He just cost his boss 3/4 of a billion dollars. I doubt it’s a coincidence.


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[Smartie]

Possible that this could make him even more dangerous

I don't think so.

Being part of a mainstream media gave him a plausibility that he didn't really deserve. Whilst he'll probably be able to be more pernicious in a dark little corner of the internet and whip up morons in more dangerous ways, it's a bit different when he becomes "that guy that used to be on the telly" instead of "the guy on the telly".

Whilst I believe that the media should be as free as possible, I also believe that there should be consequences for those who recklessly and dangerously use misinformation to cause harm.

[Stairway 2 7]

I don't think so.

Being part of a mainstream media gave him a plausibility that he didn't really deserve. Whilst he'll probably be able to be more pernicious in a dark little corner of the internet and whip up morons in more dangerous ways, it's a bit different when he becomes "that guy that used to be on the telly" instead of "the guy on the telly".

Whilst I believe that the media should be as free as possible, I also believe that there should be consequences for those who recklessly and dangerously use misinformation to cause harm.

I agree. He'll have big figures I'm sure, but fox is huge for a big proportion of brainwashed people in the US

[Mon Dieu4]

Possible that this could make him even more dangerous
I often wonder with people like him, how much of the ***** they are coming out with do they actually believe or are they just playing to their audience, they are on a good gig and great money so they just spout what they are told, not that it's worked for him on this one

He could likely double down and go down some subscription route and make a total killing from folk on the right now though

[Stairway 2 7]

I often wonder with people like him, how much of the ***** they are coming out with do they actually believe or are they just playing to their audience, they are on a good gig and great money so they just spout what they are told, not that it's worked for him on this one

He could likely double down and go down some subscription route and make a total killing from folk on the right now though

The WhatsApp chats in the court case showed he knew the rigged election stuff he was saying each night was rubbish, he also basically said most fox viewers are idiots. Lots of covid grifters are the same I think, they know much of what they say is crap but money wins

[greenginger]

Tucker Carlson sacked by Fox.


He’s not the only TV presenter getting the boot.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65380349

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/GaryPetersonUSA/status/1650574657102176269?t=d5LGZsngYFeBpBHJdg1Oag&s=19

Gaslighting attempts over Carlson's sacking.

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[Hiber-nation]

Sky News are actually showing the live flight tracker as his plane comes in to land in Aberdeen with a running commentary from their Scotland correspondent. Thankfully the BBC aren't!

Sky are actually treating this **** like royalty.

[Hiber-nation]

Sky reporter calling him Mr President. Astonishing.

[weecounty hibby]

Sky reporter calling him Mr President. Astonishing.

Sadly, that is the protocol for addressing past presidents. No matter how much of a **** they are. Hopefully that will change when he gets the jail

[Hiber-nation]

Sadly, that is the protocol for addressing past presidents. No matter how much of a **** they are. Hopefully that will change when he gets the jail

Ah ok never knew that! Thought I'd tuned into Fox when the presenter in the studio was referring to the current incumbent as "Biden" and still going on about "the President" when referring to Trump.

[Glory Lurker]

Sadly, that is the protocol for addressing past presidents. No matter how much of a **** they are. Hopefully that will change when he gets the jail

At a stretch I can understand that being the protocol in the US but don't see why anybody else needs to pay attention to it. I know we won't disagree.

[Glory Lurker]

I only learned about the Mr President thing when I heard Dubya on telly address Mandela as Mr President. I laughed at Bush, thinking he couldn't remember Mandela's name, which you'd of course not have put past him, then somebody explained it to me and spoiled it.

[greenginger]

I only learned about the Mr President thing when I heard Dubya on telly address Mandela as Mr President. I laughed at Bush, thinking he couldn't remember Mandela's name, which you'd of course not have put past him, then somebody explained it to me and spoiled it.

Nearly as bad as President Biden congratulating the Irish rugby team for defeating the Black and Tans.

[Glory Lurker]

Nearly as bad as President Biden congratulating the Irish rugby team for defeating the Black and Tans.

Just looked that up! Shows where his thoughts are!

[davy67 +]

Who's footing the bill for all of the red carpet and pipers treatment?

[CropleyWasGod]

Who's footing the bill for all of the red carpet and pipers treatment?

Neither HMG or SG, so presumably a combination of him and the USG.

[greenginger]

Who's footing the bill for all of the red carpet and pipers treatment?

It could come out of the £ 2 billion underspend.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

It could come out of the £ 2 billion underspend.

A £2 billion underspend? Surely not? The Scottish Government are driving the Scottish economy into the ground and are directly responsible for Scotland's massive debt share.

[greenginger]

A £2 billion underspend? Surely not? The Scottish Government are driving the Scottish economy into the ground and are directly responsible for Scotland's massive debt share.


https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-government-confirms-2billion-underspend-29840197

[Bristolhibby]

Nearly as bad as President Biden congratulating the Irish rugby team for defeating the Black and Tans.

Did the All Blacks come out and fight them like a man?

J

[TrumpIsAPeado]

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-government-confirms-2billion-underspend-29840197

Would that be the same Daily Express that claims the SNP are also responsible for Scotland's annual deficit?

How can they simultaneously create a deficit while under-spending the budget? :hmmm:

[archie]

Would that be the same Daily Express that claims the SNP are also responsible for Scotland's annual deficit?

How can they simultaneously create a deficit while under-spending the budget? :hmmm:

The deficit isn’t the same as debt.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

The deficit isn’t the same as debt.

What's your point? Deficit is the contributing factor to debt.

[archie]

What's your point? Deficit is the contributing factor to debt.
Care to explain what you mean? The deficit in Scotland leads to an effective fiscal transfer from UKG.

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65458199

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Care to explain what you mean? The deficit in Scotland leads to an effective fiscal transfer from UKG.

It's UK Government spending in Scotland beyond the control of Holyrood.

[archie]

It's UK Government spending in Scotland beyond the control of Holyrood.

Like pensions? It's good that these are paid, isn’t it?

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Like pensions? It's good that these are paid, isn’t it?

Right, but Scotland's annual deficit and the accumulation towards it's share of the UK National Debt figure can't exactly be blamed on the Scottish Government, when the Scottish Government is working with a budget that is considerably less than Scotland's overall tax contributions to the treasury, a budget that is regularly under-spent.

[Ozyhibby]

It's UK Government spending in Scotland beyond the control of Holyrood.

It’s not always in Scotland. Sometimes it’s just spending for our benefit that happens in England. Like coronations etc.


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

It’s not always in Scotland. Sometimes it’s just spending for our benefit that happens in England. Like coronations etc.


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Or spending on infrastructure in Scotland for the extraction of resources that benefit other parts of the UK. Scotland's "deficit" though.

[archie]

Right, but Scotland's annual deficit and the accumulation towards it's share of the UK National Debt figure can't exactly be blamed on the Scottish Government, when the Scottish Government is working with a budget that is considerably less than Scotland's overall tax contributions to the treasury, a budget that is regularly under-spent.

The Scottish Government budget is less than the tax take in Scotland. But the UK Government spends money here as well. The total spend by both governments is higher than the total tax take here.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

The Scottish Government budget is less than the tax take in Scotland. But the UK Government spends money here as well. The total spend by both governments is higher than the total tax take here.

Yes, but my point still stands. The Scottish Government has no control over direct spending decisions made by the UK Government, which is where the annual deficit stems from. So any suggestion that Scotland's annual deficit is some result of economic incompetency from the Scottish Government is completely false.

[archie]

Yes, but my point still stands. The Scottish Government has no control over direct spending decisions made by the UK Government, which is where the annual deficit stems from. So any suggestion that Scotland's annual deficit is some result of economic incompetency from the Scottish Government is completely false. I'm not arguing that it is incompetence.

[s.a.m]

Found liable for sexual assault and defamation of Jean E Carroll.

5 million damages

[s.a.m]

I'm kind of wondering why they agreed that he sexually abused her, but didn't feel convinced that he raped her?

[stokesmessiah]

Weirdly still don’t think it will stop him running again!

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm sure he won't have to put his grubby hands in his pockets to pay the fine


let the crowdfunding commence

[neil7908]

Weirdly still don’t think it will stop him running again!

It absolutely won't. For his demented followers it will just be further 'proof' that the establishment is out to get him 😔

[Jones28]

The reprehensible Jacob Rees-Mogg defending him on GB news.

A vote for the conservatives is a vote for this ****.

[Stairway 2 7]

Trump indicted again on 7 charges

[Lendo]

Trump indicted again on 7 charges

And once again this doesn't stop him running for office. The USA is mental.

[s.a.m]

It absolutely won't. For his demented followers it will just be further 'proof' that the establishment is out to get him 😔

... And are being spurred on by Republican politicians, including the leader of the house - who know exactly who he is and what he's done, and that this has all been brought about by his own behaviour - who are claiming that this is Biden engaging in election interference. And failing to acknowledge that this happened under the direction of a Trump appointed Republican FBI director, with charges only laid after recommendation by a Grand Duty in Florida, following evidence from Republican witnesses and Trump employees, appointees and cohorts. It's deeply cynical, cowardly and irresponsible.

[twiceinathens]

Regretfully the Trump hard core will merely have their twisted belief that Trump is being victimised confirmed even more

[Ryan91]

And once again this doesn't stop him running for office. The USA is mental.

I hold no love for the clown, but at this point, he's simply been charged with committing a crime, he's not been found guilty of anything yet in a criminal court. If (and I hope when) he is convicted, he'll be disqualified for running for office.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Government is merely a legalised crime syndicate. Everybody who has made it to the top has done so with blood on their hands and are clearly immune to any real life consequences for their actions. Trump getting a pretendy telling off in court won't change anything. It's all a show that's put in place for the masses to give them a false sense of accountability being upheld, when there's really no accountability at all.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/calltoactivism/status/1666954598119079938?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Can’t read this and not smile.[emoji23]


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[greenginger]

And once again this doesn't stop him running for office. The USA is mental.

Do you think Biden should be indicted as well ?

[Ozyhibby]

Do you think Biden should be indicted as well ?

If he committed a crime the same then yes. Don’t think he has though? The most serious charges are the obstruction ones and the lying? No evidence of Biden doing that?


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[greenginger]

If he committed a crime the same then yes. Don’t think he has though? The most serious charges are the obstruction ones and the lying? No evidence of Biden doing that?


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I thought concealing classified documents was a serious crime .

[grunt]

Do you think Biden should be indicted as well ?
What's he done?

[Ozyhibby]

I thought concealing classified documents was a serious crime .

Has he concealed any?


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[greenginger]

Has he concealed any?


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The FBI had to search his houses to find them.

[Ozyhibby]

The FBI had to search his houses to find them.

He invited the FBI in to come and check and gave them full access to everything.
Trump repeatedly blocked the FBI until they had to raid his home. Trump then doctored the cctv videos to make it look like nobody had seen the docs.
There is a massive difference.


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[greenginger]

He invited the FBI in to come and check and gave them full access to everything.
Trump repeatedly blocked the FBI until they had to raid his home. Trump then doctored the cctv videos to make it look like nobody had seen the docs.
There is a massive difference.


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Biden had been sitting on the documents for 7 years

[grunt]

Biden had been sitting on the documents for 7 yearsThey obviously weren't that important then.

[grunt]

Yeah but Biden ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyMtY7GaUAA6YS2?format=jpg&name=medium

[McD]

Yeah but Biden ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyMtY7GaUAA6YS2?format=jpg&name=medium


if it wasn’t so terrifying that such documents are lying around, it would be comical given how much the Americans like to bang on about national security, and have been chasing the guy from wiki leaks for years, yet a ‘patriot’ has extremely sensitive information casually around the house

[s.a.m]

Do you think Biden should be indicted as well ?

If there was evidence that he had committed a crime, then of course he should. In the wake of the Trump incident, his people looked through his stored documents to see if there was anything that should have been returned. They found some documents, reported them to the authorities and volunteered to cooperate with any further search or enquiry, which is what happened. Same thing with Mike Pence.In both cases, the investigation concluded that there had been no deliberate attempt to conceal or misuse the docs.

Trump ignored polite and discrete requests for the return of specific documents for over a year. He ignored a subpeona for their return, and we now know he moved boxes of documents out of the way of the ensuing FBI raid, and lied about it.

There's no comparison - if Trump had cooperated, we'd never have known he took them, and none of this would have happened.

Also worth noting that the rules on information handling were looser when Biden was VP. Trump criminalised mishandling of government documents as part of his ongoing campaign against Hillary Clinton.

[J-C]

Has he concealed any?


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Removed them from the Whitehouse and never replaced them after he was booted out, that's the offence.

[Glory Lurker]

Take him away!

[greenginger]

They obviously weren't that important then.

Some of them were classified and that should be what matters. Blind justice and all that.

[Ozyhibby]

Some of them were classified and that should be what matters. Blind justice and all that.

I think the attempt to obstruct and conceal is the difference?


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[s.a.m]

Some of them were classified and that should be what matters. Blind justice and all that.

Except it doesn't. The national records authority published its guidelines on wrongly retained records, should you come across them after leaving office. Pence and Biden looked for and found materials and followed the official procedures for their return, and following investigation were not found to have committed an offence. If Trump had returned the records as requested, he wouldn't have been charged either.

As an aside, it was pointed out at the time that there is a recognised over-classification issue, with vast quantities of items being unnecessarily categorised as classified by default, and it was suggested that probably all previous presidents and VPs will have items amongst their papers that technically shouldn't be there.

However, none of that is relevant to Trump's indictments, which are based on, as others have pointed out, refusing to return, hiding, and lying about his wilful retention of documents that we now know have national security significance. And because he's a childish braggart, he showed one to at least one other person to demonstrate his importance.

[Smartie]

What the world needs more than anything right now is for folk to stop making excuses for the likes of Trump, Johnson and Putin and the way they play so fast and loose with stuff like the law and the truth.

Just because the end might be what you perceive to be in your interests, doesn't justify their means.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Isn't anyone curious to know what was in those documents that he was so desperate to hold on to?

[s.a.m]

Isn't anyone curious to know what was in those documents that he was so desperate to hold on to?

This article is from Reuters :

https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump-faces-federal-charges-classified-documents-case-adding-legal-woes-2023-06-09/

There is more detail available about the document he's heard sharing with someone at Bedminster, when he was trying to show up General Milley.

The question is why. Some people have suggested he planned to sell them or use them as leverage. Others have suggested - maybe more likely - that he planned to use them to embarrass people or countries or just as 'trophies' to show off to himself and others how important he was.

[grunt]

Do you think Biden should be indicted as well ?Let's see what former US Attorney General William Barr:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1667898575546732544?s=20

[Kato]

Do you think Biden should be indicted as well ?What would he be indicted on?

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[Ozyhibby]

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-news-agents/id1640878689?i=1000616872738

A great listen.


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[Jim44]

I hope he is found guilty and punished accordingly. If found not guilty, I think he will walk the next election.

[Kato]

I hope he is found guilty and punished accordingly. If found not guilty, I think he will walk the next election.He can stand even if he's jailed.

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[Hibbyradge]

He can stand even if he's jailed.

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I don't think that's true.

[Ozyhibby]

I don't think that's true.

In some states he won’t even be able to vote, never mind stand for election. He needs to delay this as long as possible till after the election and hope he wins so he can pardon himself.


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[Kato]

I don't think that's true.According to some yapper on the BBC News channel last night it is. He could stand but he wouldn't be allowed to vote.

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[Kato]

In some states he won’t even be able to vote, never mind stand for election. He needs to delay this as long as possible till after the election and hope he wins so he can pardon himself.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkhttps://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/06/trump-running-for-president-prison-00090931

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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/06/trump-running-for-president-prison-00090931

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Fair play, I hadn’t realised it was possible. Doubt he has a chance either way but from prison, I think even Americans are not that daft.[emoji23]


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[Jim44]

He can stand even if he's jailed.

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Well, even if he can stand, he probably wouldn’t win. If he is not convicted, there will be a groundswell of support for him, and he will undoubtedly win.

[AltheHibby]

"As an aside, it was pointed out at the time that there is a recognised over-classification issue, with vast quantities of items being unnecessarily categorised as classified by default, and it was suggested that probably all previous presidents and VPs will have items amongst their papers that technically shouldn't be there."

When I was in the civil service I heard about an unnamed UK Government department that classified a manufacturer's advertising document as secret. A document that anyone could ask the manufacturer for!

[greenginger]

"As an aside, it was pointed out at the time that there is a recognised over-classification issue, with vast quantities of items being unnecessarily categorised as classified by default, and it was suggested that probably all previous presidents and VPs will have items amongst their papers that technically shouldn't be there."

When I was in the civil service I heard about an unnamed UK Government department that classified a manufacturer's advertising document as secret. A document that anyone could ask the manufacturer for!


https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trumps-indictment-slam-dunk-case-liberal-media-believes

I know it’s Fox News but the Presidents Records Act does seem to give Trump the right to retain any record from his time in the presidency.

[s.a.m]

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trumps-indictment-slam-dunk-case-liberal-media-believes

I know it’s Fox News but the Presidents Records Act does seem to give Trump the right to retain any record from his time in the presidency.

This suggestion has been widely debunked, and the National Archives issued a statement rejecting it.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/politics/fact-check-trump-presidential-records-act-talk/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/09/politics/national-archives-refutes-trump-claim-classified-documents-indictment/index.html

[grunt]

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trumps-indictment-slam-dunk-case-liberal-media-believes

I know it’s Fox News but the Presidents Records Act does seem to give Trump the right to retain any record from his time in the presidency.
Seriously, did you really, honestly believe something you read on Fox News? :greengrin

[greenginger]

Seriously, did you really, honestly believe something you read on Fox News? :greengrin

No , not without some deep thought. :greengrin

Are you saying the Presidential Records Act does not exist ?

[grunt]

Are you saying the Presidential Records Act does not exist ?
Where did I say that?

[cabbageandribs1875]

:agree:

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/353810432_10160914535119939_8391745022188466293_n. jpg?_nc_cat=108&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=E2H_vlJSJGMAX_BFKDU&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfDk8sQ7nB_fMfq2FvXJUzJ0vpOrwdQV01ELCHtcDg6w SQ&oe=6494DD47

[greenginger]

Where did I say that?

It was mentioned on Fox News and you don’t believe anything on Fox News

[Kato]

It was mentioned on Fox News and you don’t believe anything on Fox NewsIt's not whether it exists it whether it applies in this case.



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[grunt]

It was mentioned on Fox News and you don’t believe anything on Fox NewsReally? You thought it worth typing this out?

(Don't bother answering).

[Mibbes Aye]

Saw Gordon Brown at the Borders Book Festival yesterday.

Talking about Donald Trump "In the US, they like their presidents to have conviction. And in Donald Trump they have a candidate who has convictions."

Also in relation to Trump, "...the only President who has paid more in fines than taxes"

[s.a.m]

No , not without some deep thought. :greengrin

Are you saying the Presidential Records Act does not exist ?

Here is the text of the National Archives (the people responsible for receiving and storing and securing Presidential Records under the Act) statement about the claim you're referring to:

Press Statements in Response to Media Queries About Presidential Records
Media Alert ·Friday, June 9, 2023

June 9, 2023, statement

Recent media reports have generated a large number of queries about Presidential records and the Presidential Records Act (PRA), 44 U.S.C. 2201-2209. The PRA requires that all records created by Presidents (and Vice-Presidents) be turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) at the end of their administrations. Below is additional information about how NARA carries out its responsibilities under the PRA. Please note that the PRA treats the records of the President and those of the Vice President in almost the same manner such that, in most cases below, President and Vice President can be used interchangeably.

How much time do outgoing Presidents have to go through their papers to determine what to retain as personal documents?
The Presidential Records Act (PRA) requires the President to separate personal documents from Presidential records before leaving office. 44 U.S.C. 2203(b). The PRA makes clear that, upon the conclusion of the President’s term in office, NARA assumes responsibility for the custody, control, preservation of, and access to the records of a President. 44 U.S.C. 2203(g)(1). The PRA makes the legal status of Presidential records clear and unambiguous, providing that the United States reserves and retains “complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records.” 44 U.S.C. 2202. There is no history, practice, or provision in law for presidents to take official records with them when they leave office to sort through, such as for a two-year period as described in some reports. If a former President or Vice President finds Presidential records among personal materials, he or she is expected to contact NARA in a timely manner to secure the transfer of those Presidential records to NARA.

How does NARA store the records of an outgoing President after the end of an administration?
In the past, and in accordance with the Presidential Libraries Act (44 U.S.C. 2112), former Presidents would fund, build, endow, and donate to NARA a traditional Presidential Library (NARA-operated traditional Presidential Libraries exist from Presidents Hoover through George W. Bush). Accordingly, NARA would arrange to move the Presidential records to a temporary NARA facility near the designated location of the forthcoming Library – e.g., Hoffman Estates, IL, for the records of President Obama (who subsequently decided not to build a Presidential Library for NARA, see below); Dallas, TX, for President George W. Bush; Little Rock, AR, for President Clinton. In each case, the facility was modified to meet NARA requirements for records storage and security, NARA had physical and legal custody of the records from the end of the Administration, and the temporary facility was under the exclusive control of NARA.
NARA no longer expects to move Presidential records to a temporary facility outside of Washington, DC, given the relatively small volume of paper Presidential records created by recent administrations, as compared to the huge volume of electronic records and the strong interest in the digitization of paper records. In addition, the increased endowment requirements first applicable to President Obama under the Presidential Libraries Act may impact decisions by former Presidents concerning whether to build a traditional Presidential Library for NARA.
Prior to the end of his administration, President Trump did not communicate any intent to NARA with regard to funding, building, endowing, and donating a Presidential Library to NARA under the Presidential Libraries Act. Accordingly, the Trump Presidential records have been and continue to be maintained by NARA in the Washington, DC, area, and there was no reason for NARA to consider a temporary facility in Florida or elsewhere.

[...]

Did President Obama take Presidential records to Chicago after he left office?
No. When President Obama left office in 2017, NARA took physical and legal custody of the records of his administration in accordance with the Presidential Records Act. NARA made arrangements to move the roughly 30 million pages of paper Presidential records of the Obama administration to a federally acquired, modified, and secured temporary facility that NARA leased in Hoffman Estates, IL, which meets NARA’s requirements for records storage and security. NARA moved the records to Hoffman Estates because of the intention of President Obama to build a Presidential Library in the Chicago area.
Subsequently, former President Obama decided not to fund, build, endow, and donate a physical Presidential Library to NARA (his foundation is building a privately operated Presidential Center that will not have archival storage for any Presidential records). Instead, the Obama Foundation agreed to help pay for the cost of digitizing the unclassified paper records and for the cost of moving the classified and unclassified records from NARA’s temporary facility in Hoffman Estates to other NARA-controlled facilities (for which NARA otherwise would have to pay). A September 2018 Letter of Intent from the Obama Foundation to the Archivist of the United States addresses Obama’s commitment to paying for these costs; but it in no way suggests that Obama had physical custody of any Presidential records. As NARA stated in September 2022, neither former President Obama nor his foundation “had possession or control over the [Presidential] records” of his administration.

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Did Presidents before Nixon have total control over their records?
Prior to the Presidential Records Act of 1978, which first applied to President Reagan, all of the official records of the White House were considered the personal property of the President (from Presidents Washington to Carter). Presidents Hoover through Carter chose to donate their records to NARA, along with the Presidential Library buildings where they are stored.
While these Presidents had control over their personal papers, they lacked control over the classification status of any records that were classified. The classification status of the information in the papers remained under the control of the U.S. Government.
The Nixon records, including the Watergate tapes, were seized and transferred to NARA in 1974 by a federal law, known as the Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act (PRMPA), 44 U.S.C. 2111, note. In response to the Nixon issue, Congress enacted the Presidential Records Act in 1978 to change legal ownership of Presidential records from the President to the United States Government, which took effect at the beginning of the Reagan administration.

Did NARA provide archival assistance to the Trump Administration during the transition of records at the end of his administration?
Yes. As explained in NARA’s April 23, 2023, press statement, NARA’s General Counsel sent a letter on February 10, 2023, to the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, clarifying a prior response he had given to the Committee. The letter explained that NARA did send staff members to the White House in the final weeks of the Trump Administration to assist with the move of the physical records (including artifacts), which was similar to the assistance that NARA had provided to the White House during the three previous Presidential transitions.

[...]

What are “Presidential records” under the Presidential Records Act (PRA)?
"’Presidential records’ means documentary materials created or received by the President, the President’s immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.” "
https://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2022/nr22-001

[Lendo]

https://youtu.be/7KRceywz-rU

This video from Legal Eagle on YouTube breaks it down in pretty simple terms and talks about why Pence and Biden aren’t facing the same legal issues.

All about the cover up now really. As the saying going, it’s always worse than the crime itself.

[Just Alf]

https://youtu.be/7KRceywz-rU

This video from Legal Eagle on YouTube breaks it down in pretty simple terms and talks about why Pence and Biden aren’t facing the same legal issues.

All about the cover up now really. As the saying going, it’s always worse than the crime itself.Last bit sounds familiar... as old Boris is finding out.

[cabbageandribs1875]

another rioter gets jail time, at first i thought it was a lengthy sentence but after reading further what the sh*tbag done to that cop he's lucky it's not 20 years :agree:

Capitol rioter who shocked police officer with stun gun is sentenced to over 12 years in prison (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/crime/capitol-rioter-who-shocked-police-officer-with-stun-gun-is-sentenced-to-over-12-years-in-prison/ar-AA1cR0Mx?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d1d7feff422742ff955814cb71f9486b&ei=115)

[cabbageandribs1875]

the big vile Pumpkin should be remanded in custody, rikers will do :agree:

Trump faces four criminal counts as six co-conspirators listed in January 6 indictment – live (theguardian.com) (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/aug/01/trump-indictment-jan-6-jack-smith-biden-us-politics-live-updates)

[Haymaker]

the big vile Pumpkin should be remanded in custody, rikers will do :agree:

Trump faces four criminal counts as six co-conspirators listed in January 6 indictment – live (theguardian.com) (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/aug/01/trump-indictment-jan-6-jack-smith-biden-us-politics-live-updates)

Unfortunately these are Federal charges so it would most likely be Terre Haute or the lovely surroundings of ADX Florence.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Unfortunately these are Federal charges so it would most likely be Terre Haute or the lovely surroundings of ADX Florence.


good he can get a cell next to El chapo :greengrin


as long as he never gets to enter the White House again

[AltheHibby]

Must not make a rhyming joke about anyone entering his White House while in prison.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/ryanair/status/1686692732960428033?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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https://twitter.com/ryanair/status/1686692732960428033?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[cabbageandribs1875]

ain't this true

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/365404960_6484977164881541_1402012565357895758_n.j pg?_nc_cat=108&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=1p0EWg74HpYAX_AOmLc&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AfBDT8Ai48-Rl6OyHxQITAAbX2S3VOsFY3jDxMBrikI17Q&oe=64CFCC6A

[BroxburnHibee]

The latest indictment is unbelievable. I just listened to a podcast of it all and it beggars belief how the hell he is leading the polls.

The republican party is now basically a cult.

[Hibrandenburg]

The latest indictment is unbelievable. I just listened to a podcast of it all and it beggars belief how the hell he is leading the polls.

The republican party is now basically a cult.

The Republic Party is divided, there's those who think Trump is a charlatan and those who think he's being persecuted. The problem is that those who think he's being persecuted are firmly behind Trump and those who think he's a crook are all divided amongst other potential candidates.

[Stairway 2 7]

The poll of polls for Republican nomination are as clear as I've ever seen for them in opposition, he'll walk it and then unbelievably favourite for the white House

Trump53.4%
DeSantis15.6%
Ramaswamy6.9%
Pence4.4%
Haley3.0%
Scott2.9%
Christie2.6%
Hutchinson0.7%

[Mon Dieu4]

In some ways I get why people vote for folk like Trump etc but I really despair about the fact they genuinely think that they give a flying **** about anyone but themselves and care about them, mental

[Stairway 2 7]

Americans are so entrenched. Loads decide what they watch on TV, music the listen to and beer they drink on political lines. There's many the same in the uk but not the same percentage. When boris got charged for his covid parties they slid down the polls. Republicans seem more entrenched after he's been indicted

[TrumpIsAPeado]

The poll of polls for Republican nomination are as clear as I've ever seen for them in opposition, he'll walk it and then unbelievably favourite for the white House

Trump53.4%
DeSantis15.6%
Ramaswamy6.9%
Pence4.4%
Haley3.0%
Scott2.9%
Christie2.6%
Hutchinson0.7%

https://i.ibb.co/HVJQCxY/USPRISONDENT24-LRGR.jpg

[Stairway 2 7]

https://i.ibb.co/HVJQCxY/USPRISONDENT24-LRGR.jpg

You think he'll get prosecuted. He's surely guilty looking at the information yesterday, I can't see it though

[TrumpIsAPeado]

You think he'll get prosecuted. He's surely guilty looking at the information yesterday, I can't see it though

Even if he is prosecuted, there is no law in the US preventing him from campaigning for presidency from his jail cell. It's completely insane. But in the US, you're not allowed to vote behind bars. But you're allowed to vote for somebody who is behind bars.

[cabbageandribs1875]

as expected fourth indictment for the orange one https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2023/aug/15/donald-trump-18-others-indicted-georgia-trying-overturn-2020-election-video

[Stairway 2 7]

Arrest warrant has been issued, sheriff confirms mug shots will be taken 😆

[McD]

Even if he is prosecuted, there is no law in the US preventing him from campaigning for presidency from his jail cell. It's completely insane. But in the US, you're not allowed to vote behind bars. But you're allowed to vote for somebody who is behind bars.Agreed, an utterly insane situation

[Ozyhibby]

Arrest warrant has been issued, sheriff confirms mug shots will be taken [emoji38]

And there is no power to pardon for this one.


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

Trump has just been hit with a RICO charge from the state of Georgia which carries a mandatory 5 year prison sentence with no option of suspension or parole. Will be interesting to see how he tries to squirm his way out of this one.My bet would be more unhinged rants on social media over communist judges and juries or some nonsense.

[neil7908]

Trump has just been hit with a RICO charge from the state of Georgia which carries a mandatory 5 year prison sentence with no option of suspension or parole. Will be interesting to see how he tries to squirm his way out of this one.My bet would be more unhinged rants on social media over communist judges and juries or some nonsense.

I was initially very sceptical if he would ever see the inside of a jail cell but given the sheer volume and severity of the numerous cases against him, I think it's almost certain he will spend the rest of his life in prison (based also on his age of course).

The concern here is what happens then? He's already gone a pretty long way to destroying anything left of American democracy and decency. But the forces he's unleashed aren't going away. I actually fear what comes after him. That's not to suggest for a second that he shouldn't be prosecuted, more that Trumpism as a insane hard right philosophy has set root in America. And the next person to pick up the mantle might be smarter and even more ruthless than him.

[DaveF]

Trump has just been hit with a RICO charge from the state of Georgia which carries a mandatory 5 year prison sentence with no option of suspension or parole. Will be interesting to see how he tries to squirm his way out of this one.My bet would be more unhinged rants on social media over communist judges and juries or some nonsense.

It usually starts with lots of upper case rants when pressing buttons on his keyboard. What a mess the US is in.

[Kato]

Does it really matter what happens to Trump? There will still be the billionaires pushing a far-right agenda, Mercer, Murdoch, the various hedge funders - their greed is insatiable and given their power perhaps unstoppable. They choose wilful idiots like Trump and "Boris" as the absolute guff they spout means no one looks at them.

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[Caversham Green]

Even if he is prosecuted, there is no law in the US preventing him from campaigning for presidency from his jail cell. It's completely insane. But in the US, you're not allowed to vote behind bars. But you're allowed to vote for somebody who is behind bars.That's also true in the UK I believe - Bobby Sands became an MP while he was in prison.

[Ozyhibby]

That's also true in the UK I believe - Bobby Sands became an MP while he was in prison.

I wouldn’t worry too much, he isn’t going to win from jail. It’s hard to see a path for him to win at all looking at the electoral college.


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[McD]

That's also true in the UK I believe - Bobby Sands became an MP while he was in prison.I think laws were passed just after that to prevent anyone in prison standing for election

[Ozyhibby]

I think laws were passed just after that to prevent anyone in prison standing for election

That will be why they keep arresting former SNP leaders.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

THIS is the sort of utter morons Trump appeals to https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-supporting-woman-charged-with-threatening-to-kill-judge-chutkan-report/ar-AA1fmRvg?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a1c2b3f6cee548c98d9fe629c1109ee9&ei=58

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230818/4e9fbe61aa27ed9284a3dbc800458bd6.jpg

I’m beginning to think he’ll pull out the running. His legal troubles are going to last the entire length of the campaign and more and more, he is going to be told he can’t just keep talking nonsense without landing in jail. And what is a Trump speech if it isn’t complete nonsense. He won’t be able to open his mouth without incriminating himself.


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[Lendo]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230818/4e9fbe61aa27ed9284a3dbc800458bd6.jpgI’m beginning to think he’ll pull out the running. His legal troubles are going to last the entire length of the campaign and more and more, he is going to be told he can’t just keep talking nonsense without landing in jail. And what is a Trump speech if it isn’t complete nonsense. He won’t be able to open his mouth without incriminating himself. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkBiden is rightfully staying quiet on this and letting the Justice Department do their job. I do wonder if he’ll offer him a pardon (on the Federal charges) if found guilty on the basis he drops out of the running, maybe politics as a whole. Very much doubt this but could be happen.

[Ozyhibby]

Biden is rightfully staying quiet on this and letting the Justice Department do their job. I do wonder if he’ll offer him a pardon (on the Federal charges) if found guilty on the basis he drops out of the running, maybe politics as a whole. Very much doubt this but could be happen.

Zero chance this happens because it would look like admitting defeat to Trump. Also Trump could never be trusted to keep his end of the deal. And also because it’s the wrong thing to do and Biden would never be forgiven by democrats.


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[McD]

Zero chance this happens because it would look like admitting defeat to Trump. Also Trump could never be trusted to keep his end of the deal. And also because it’s the wrong thing to do and Biden would never be forgiven by democrats.


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Yep, Trump would be crowing from the rooftops that Biden (and by extension the democrats) had capitulated to him

[BroxburnHibee]

I've listened to podcasts detailing the indictments in full and its unbelievable!!!

Beggars belief how supposedly intelligent people still continue to back this guy. He's basically a cult leader so I can understand where his support comes from but its all the republican party who continue to back him that baffles me.

[lapsedhibee]

I've listened to podcasts detailing the indictments in full and its unbelievable!!!

Beggars belief how supposedly intelligent people still continue to back this guy. He's basically a cult leader so I can understand where his support comes from but its all the republican party who continue to back him that baffles me.

Exact same here, when long after it became clear he was a wrong 'un, virtually the whole Tory party continued to publicly back Johnson. "Winner."

[grunt]

Beggars belief how supposedly intelligent people still continue to back this guy. He's basically a cult leader so I can understand where his support comes from but its all the republican party who continue to back him that baffles me.I have a friend who moved to the US in the 70s. I always thought of him as being highly intelligent. He's a Trump supporter. I can hardly talk to him these days, and certainly not about politics.

[Smartie]

I've listened to podcasts detailing the indictments in full and its unbelievable!!!

Beggars belief how supposedly intelligent people still continue to back this guy. He's basically a cult leader so I can understand where his support comes from but its all the republican party who continue to back him that baffles me.

It always brings home to me how shallow and materialistic people are.

The fear of being even just a little bit poorer allows folk to tolerate all sorts of stuff that should be unthinkable.

I'm not mad on the extreme ends of the left/right spectrum but I have respect for reasonable people and politicians who I just happen to be on the other side to on various issues (my standpoint can vary from left to right wing depending on the subject). What I just don't get is how the aversion to having to pay a higher tax rate (or to have to cut public spending if you're that way inclined) can suddenly make you tolerate the likes of Johnson's wanton lawbreaking all over the shop, Trump's blatant disregard for democracy and the American constitution or arguably Tony Blair and the wars he has on his conscience.

[lapsedhibee]

It always brings home to me how shallow and materialistic people are.

What I just don't get is how the aversion to having to pay a higher tax rate ... can suddenly make you tolerate the likes of Johnson's wanton lawbreaking all over the shop, Trump's blatant disregard for democracy and the American constitution

:agree: It would be good if the MSM treated the 'all taxation is theft' brigade as the extremists they are. MSM's quick enough to brand the 'all property is theft' lot as wild-eyed terrorists, but roll out the Tufton St fanatics on Politics Live, Newsnight and the rest as if they're normal human beings.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i listened to a GOP candidate Chris Christie this morning on CNN, former Governer of New Jersey, https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?&q=chris+christie+cnn+today&mid=87E6ADB59B21E2C8B91787E6ADB59B21E2C8B917&ajaxhist=0 i thought he talked very well, decent and you would think there's still 'normal' Republicans that would vote for him instead of that utter lunatic Trump, he would probably get some Dems voting for him as well i would think or maybe he's just not nasty enough for the majority of Trumps groupies.

[grunt]

Ok. Not Trump, but Trump's party.

https://t.co/6pGj4N8O5u


A guy in North Carolina believes that Beyoncé is "satanic," that the 1969 moon landing may have been fake and that there's a ruling class of secretive reptiles.

This guy is Mark Robinson, the leading GOP candidate to be the state's next governor.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the big man mountain self reported at 215lbs :rolleyes:


https://thespun.com/nfl/everyone-said-the-same-thing-after-donald-trumps-height-weight-were-released