(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[Killiehibbie]

Said the police were going to be overwhelmed so put presidence on the safety of the politicians and deal with the rioters later

Big questions to be answered on why so few police were there initially

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Never heard them use that as an excuse. They usually use overwhelming force

[Callum_62]

Never heard them use that as an excuse. They usually use overwhelming forceI think things might get really nasty as the night goes on

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[hibsbollah]

Tear gas finally deployed according to the bbc guy now.

[gbhibby]

I think things might get really nasty as the night goes on

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I think you are right.
Did Hillary Clinton say she was robbed of the presidency? NO
She actually got 2 million more votes than Trump but had to accept the result that's what intelligent people do.

[Callum_62]

I think you are right.
Did Hillary Clinton say she was robbed of the presidency? NO
She actually got 2 million more votes than Trump but had to accept the result that's what intelligent people do.I see in Mconnells speech today he listed quite a few elections that were actually closer than this one

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[Northernhibee]

Ballots were rescued from the senate floor before protestors could burn them.

[lapsedhibee]

Trump should not be invited to Bidens inauguration.

There's a plane booked to fly to Scotland the day before. Maybe going to seek asylum here.

[CropleyWasGod]

There's a plane booked to fly to Scotland the day before. Maybe going to seek asylum here.

The Royal Ed is available.

[lapsedhibee]

The Royal Ed is available.
:greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

Even by Trump's (and his supporters') standards this is utter nuts.

Like I say, this has been on the cards for a long time. I find it incredible that this has come as a surprise to anyone.

[Northernhibee]

Twitter have now set a couple of Trump videos so they can't be liked, retweeted or commented on. Soon as he's out on his arse he's getting kicked off that.

[Callum_62]

Twitter have now set a couple of Trump videos so they can't be liked, retweeted or commented on. Soon as he's out on his arse he's getting kicked off that.Yeha I noticed that on his crazy statement video

Wanted to send it to my mate but couldn't

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[gbhibby]

:greengrin

I think he is beyond that. The Royal Ed would probably reject him.

[Northernhibee]

NBC reporting that the police presence you see on the steps of the Capitol are the extent of the police presense there. One rioter told the reporter "If you don't hear our voices today then you'll hear our muskets tomorrow".

This is only going to get worse, isn't it?

[Callum_62]

NBC reporting that the police presence you see on the steps of the Capitol are the extent of the police presense there. One rioter told the reporter "If you don't hear our voices today then you'll hear our muskets tomorrow".

This is only going to get worse, isn't it?Muskets?

Hope so coz AR15 would be alot worse

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[Santa Cruz]

I think he is beyond that. The Royal Ed would probably reject him.

Carstairs?

[hibsbollah]

I’ve just seen the bbc news headlines and was amused that one of the first protestors up the senate stairs had the crack of his erse hanging out of the back of his trackies.

[Sir David Gray]

Like I say, this has been on the cards for a long time. I find it incredible that this has come as a surprise to anyone.

Perhaps it's the visual element of seeing hundreds of people storming a government building that I find shocking, I didn't expect him to go quietly but seeing those scenes tonight is something you expect from some undemocratic basket case, not "the land of the free".

[Hibrandenburg]

Perhaps it's the visual element of seeing hundreds of people storming a government building that I find shocking, I didn't expect him to go quietly but seeing those scenes tonight is something you expect from some undemocratic basket case, not "the land of the free".

Millions of people have been calling him an undemocratic basket case since he announced he was a candidate for the presidency.

[CloudSquall]

https://mobile.twitter.com/GeorgeKerevan/status/1346954494454751235

Rather striking image of a protester with a Confederate flag in the White House.

[Northernhibee]

Donald J. Trump



@realDonaldTrump


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These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!

:rolleyes:

[CloudSquall]

Imagine the reaction if this was going down in Venezuela..

[Hibbyradge]

Donald J. Trump



@realDonaldTrump


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These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!

:rolleyes:



I've thought it was likely that he had mental health issues for a long time. Now I'm certain and I think he's becoming more ill almost daily.

[davy67 +]

Yeha I noticed that on his crazy statement video

Wanted to send it to my mate but couldn't

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i must be one of the lucky ones who managed to get it tweeted before it blocked , it was absolutely crazy , he's is dangerously deluded

[Mon Dieu4]

Imagine the reaction if this was going down in Venezuela..

Sorry state of affairs when one of my favourite radges Hugo Chavez has nothing on Trump :rolleyes:

[Hibbyradge]

i must be one of the lucky ones who managed to get it tweeted before it blocked , it was absolutely crazy , he's is dangerously deluded

Are there copies? I've not seen it.

[BroxburnHibee]

Are there copies? I've not seen it.

Sky news have tweeted it shamefully.

[Northernhibee]

Twitter removing his tweets.

[Jones28]

We are living through the last days of a tyrant. He is hitler in his bunker, addled on heroin and cocaine injections.

[BroxburnHibee]

Pelosi confirms the session will resume tonight.

[Tobias Funke]

25th should be invoked ASAFP and that orange loon removed from power before he has the chance to do any more damage.

[Northernhibee]

Pelosi confirms the session will resume tonight.

Balls of steel - bravo.

[Ozyhibby]

Balls of steel - bravo.

Just saying that to Mrs. Ozyhibby. 80 odd year old and nothing seems to faze her.


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[BroxburnHibee]

Balls of steel - bravo.

Pence must have agreed to it too.

[Northernhibee]

Just saying that to Mrs. Ozyhibby. 80 odd year old and nothing seems to faze her.


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Didn't realise there was such an age gap between the two of you!

[gbhibby]

25th should be invoked ASAFP and that orange loon removed from power before he has the chance to do any more damage.
Agree, but that could cause more unrest as the nutters who follow him will probably resort to violence.

[Hibee87]

25th should be invoked ASAFP and that orange loon removed from power before he has the chance to do any more damage.

Yes, it should. However I can only imagine what would his support would do if it was. It's a no win situation for pence if he does or doesnt

[Jim44]

I’m constantly amazed that, during his term in office, no assassination attempt has been made. Looking at the incredible scenes from Washington tonight, I would fear for Biden’s safety in the coming months and years.

[CloudSquall]

Sorry state of affairs when one of my favourite radges Hugo Chavez has nothing on Trump :rolleyes:

It sounds like a joke but the Venezuelan government actually has issued a statement to say that it is extremely concerned by the unrest in Washington.

[Northernhibee]

Interestingly according to a statement put out, it was VP Pence who ordered the National Guard to assist local law enforcement, and the president doesn't appear to have been involved in this at all. I do wonder if Pence will have law enforcement and the National Guard ready and prepared and call for it tomorrow?

[Hibbyradge]

I’m constantly amazed that, during his term in office, no assassination attempt has been made. Looking at the incredible scenes from Washington tonight, I would fear for Biden’s safety in the coming months and years.

I read somewhere that Trump has his own private army protecting him in addition to the secret service.

[Hibrandenburg]

Trump now promising his supporters that if they martyr themselves for the cause, they will get 72 cousins in the afterlife. :wink:

[Hibernia&Alba]

Didn't realise there was such an age gap between the two of you!

:top marks

[Hibbyradge]

Trump now promising his supporters that if they martyr themselves for the cause, they will get 72 cousins in the afterlife. :wink:

Very good ☺️

[Ozyhibby]

Didn't realise there was such an age gap between the two of you!

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Apparently Pence has unfollowed Trump on Twitter. That'll show him :greengrin

The Donald's Twitter locked for twelve hours

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1346952339886923786?s=19

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[Callum_62]

Apparently Pence has unfollowed Trump on Twitter. That'll show him :greengrinThink that's fake news

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Think that's fake news

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Ah right. I don't do Twitter and all that stuff.

[BroxburnHibee]

Hearing Trumps Twitter accounts suspended for 12 hours.

[stu in nottingham]

I've thought it was likely that he had mental health issues for a long time. Now I'm certain and I think he's becoming more ill almost daily.

Yes definitely, accumulative, gaining pace and exacerbated by his rejection by the electorate.

Not clear what that says about his followers.

[Pretty Boy]

Hearing Trumps Twitter accounts suspended for 12 hours.

Just confirmed by the BBC.

Suspended for next 12 hours, will be unlocked if he removes 3 tweets which breach their civic integrity policies.

He would be hilarious if he wasn't so dangerous. What an utter fool.

[BroxburnHibee]

Just confirmed by the BBC.

Suspended for next 12 hours, will be unlocked if he removes 3 tweets which breach their civic integrity policies.

He would be hilarious if he wasn't so dangerous. What an utter fool.

Apparently its to remain locked for 12 hours after he removes the tweets. If he doesn't (and when has he ever admitted he was wrong) then it will remain locked.

Expecting to see Melania tweeting quite a lot tonight :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

Yes definitely, accumulative, gaining pace and exacerbated by his rejection by the electorate.

Not clear what that says about his followers.

I've still to see a Trump supporter who looks and sounds like his elevator goes all the way up to the top floor. Who'd have thought that a megalomaniac and his supporters who talk like fascists, act like fascists and refuse to condemn fascists would actually turn out to be fascists.

[Ozyhibby]

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[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/06/trump-mob-storm-capitol-washington-coup-attempt

Mitch McConnell needs to own this too.

[overdrive]

Think that's fake news

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He’s changed his Twitter header photo to one of Biden and Harris.

[The Tubs]

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Bush can GTF. He knows all about creating chaos.

The Russians must be delighted that their investment has paid off so handsomely. Never in their wildest dreams could they have expected such a return. The Chinese will be lapping it up too.

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1346952339886923786?s=19

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There's a breathless incoherence amongst those interviewees that belies a deep stupidity, they are rubes drawn in by a total conman .

[Pretty Boy]

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As a statement it would have carried more weight if it had named Trump directly as Mitt Romney did.

We all know who he means but why hide behind 'some political leaders'?

[davy67 +]

Are there copies? I've not seen it.

I think it's been removed, might be some on you tube

[Ozyhibby]

When this all started this evening I cracked open a bottle of red and settled in for an evenings viewing. Now I’m wondering what people did when the first American civil war started? [emoji23]


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[Hibernia&Alba]

Imagine being American president and having your Twitter account suspended like a naughty teenager.

[Callum_62]

He’s changed his Twitter header photo to one of Biden and Harris.It's Pence and his wife isn't it?

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[BroxburnHibee]

Lots of chatter about Pence invoking the 25th amendment tonight.

Not likely is it?

If he did could he then pardon Trump?

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/1346943293171658755?s=19

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/1346943293171658755?s=19

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And from that, surely they have to move against the President now? It’s clear they see it as Him attacking them? Surely they have to defend the constitution?


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[Hibrandenburg]

Lots of chatter about Pence invoking the 25th amendment tonight.

Not likely is it?

If he did could he then pardon Trump?

No chance. Too many Trump puppets in the cabinet.

[HibernianJK]

Ian Austin has completely lost it on Twitter, if anyone can copy his tweets into this thread or the Labour thread. Struggle to do so on my iPhone.

[Callum_62]

Just seen a video of the young women being shot in the Capitol building

She was trying to climb through the window in guessing into the main hall. Or whatever they call it

She was shot as she was climbing in the window

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[Callum_62]

Ian Austin has completely lost it on Twitter, if anyone can copy his tweets into this thread or the Labour thread. Struggle to do so on my iPhone.What a numpty he is - moronic

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[Callum_62]

Pence starting the senate proceedings again

Quite a good opening speech and condemning the actions earlier but saying “you did not win" and highlighting they are reconvening the very same day

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[Hibbyradge]

I'm trying to stay awake to find out if the objections are withdrawn or if Trump's lackeys are too scared of him and the alt-right to act appropriately.

[Callum_62]

If you can be impeached for getting a BJ, you should be able to get impeached for staging a coup.

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[HibernianJK]

What a numpty he is - moronic

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Couldn’t quite believe what I was reading.

[660]

These people are absolute ****.

https://twitter.com/bxbyleyy_/status/1346923593293307906

[Callum_62]

I'm trying to stay awake to find out if the objections are withdrawn or if Trump's lackeys are too scared of him and the alt-right to act appropriately.Get Ted cruz on asap

The tone so far has been much more reconilary from both Dems and republicans

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[Rumble de Thump]

The Republicans have spent the past few years creating this disaster. Some of them are too far gone to step back from the edge.

[Haymaker]

Washington is a very democratic city, it was D.C. and federal cops protecting the building, the mayor has been vocally anti Trump too, so that would be surprising. Very weird stories about the National Guard refusing requests to intervene, were they verified?

The NG request was turned down by DoD. However some states, including mine, have mobilized by their Governors and have been sent to DC along with a number of State Troopers.

[JimBHibees]

The NG request was turned down by DoD. However some states, including mine, have mobilized by their Governors and have been sent to DC along with a number of State Troopers.

What is DOD? Not sure how it works in the States but who is in charge of the National Guard and why were they not in readiness for the riot that took place?

[JimBHibees]

Excellent article

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/06/trump-mob-storm-capitol-washington-coup-attempt

[hibsbollah]

I'm trying to stay awake to find out if the objections are withdrawn or if Trump's lackeys are too scared of him and the alt-right to act appropriately.

It seems like they doubled down, Republican senators talking of ‘electoral irregularities’ and widespread fraud. FFS There is NO EVIDENCE! I like a good conspiracy myself but I also like to examine the facts and make a case. What is it with people that don’t want evidence before reaching a decision? Or is it wilful blindness because they know it keeps them in a cosy job and GTF with due process:rolleyes:

[Keith_M]

I find it incredible that, after everything that's happened, the Republicans are still going on about a stolen election.

This is just a total lie and they've seen the effect it has on the worst elements of his followers, yet they still carry on.

:rolleyes:

[hibsbollah]

I find it incredible that, after evreything that's happened, the Republicans are still going on about a stolen election.

This is just a total lie and they've seen the effect it has on the worst elements of his followers, yet they still carry on.

:rolleyes:

Yep, we’re being fed the narrative in Congress last night that it’s Trumps ‘mad’ supporters responsible. It’s the Republican Party that has been feeding all this for years. Mitch McConnell saying ‘we will not be bullied by mob rule’ last night is beyond hypocrisy since he’s been banging on about stolen elections up till last week when he gave up :rolleyes:

There’s a definite element of ‘pinning the blame on the dumb blue collar redneck’ going on.

[Jones28]

BBC are saying 4 people dead. The blood is on the hands of the president.

[Sylar]

Staggering scenes last night and unfortunately, I fear it will escalate in the coming days, weeks and months ahead.

I can't believe the death toll was only 4. Police definitely must have been told to back off.

[Bostonhibby]

Yep, we’re being fed the narrative in Congress last night that it’s Trumps ‘mad’ supporters responsible. It’s the Republican Party that has been feeding all this for years. Mitch McConnell saying ‘we will not be bullied by mob rule’ last night is beyond hypocrisy since he’s been banging on about stolen elections up till last week when he gave up :rolleyes:

There’s a definite element of ‘pinning the blame on the dumb blue collar redneck’ going on.The vast majority of what was on view looked like "redneck", it's difficult to believe this odd group represents anything else, but if you scratch the surface, theres some clever republicans hiding behind this and manipulating them for their own ends. Shame on them.

A bit like how Hitler used Stormtroopers on Krystalnacht to do the Nazi party's dirty work.

Trump has blood on his hands but he won't care.

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[Aldo]

Priti Patal = Bottle Merchant.

She’s refused to name Trump or condemn his actions.


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[neil7908]

Whats been lost amongst all the treason is the Dems will now control the Senate. Its scary that 60 odd million people voted for this guy but x2 Democratic senators in Georgia is unprecedented.

The American people rejected Trump. Unfortunately a huge swath of the country appear to be as stupid, racist and violent as we've all thought.

[Pretty Boy]

The vast majority of what was on view looked like "redneck", it's difficult to believe this odd group represents anything else, but if you scratch the surface, theres some clever republicans hiding behind this and manipulating them for their own ends. Shame on them.

A bit like how Hitler used Stormtroopers on Krystalnacht to do the Nazi party's dirty work.

Trump has blood on his hands but he won't care.

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Before the last UK election I read an article about Johnson. The author knew him personally and she said he was a man either disinterested in or incapable of caring about the feelings of others.

She said he had betrayed his own siblings, cheated on every partner he had ever had, studiously ignored some of his own children, betrayed his political allies, used and discarded friends, deceived his employers etc etc etc. All he was interested in was what was best for Boris. Anything else was unimportant , if he got what he wanted then he was happy and if he retained a bit of popularity whilst doing so then all the better.

Trump has all the same tendencies. He won't shed a single tear for the lives ended because of his rhetoric. If it destabilises the next US govt and paves the way for one of his brood to have a run at the next election then he's happy. Everything else is just collateral damage.

[Hibrandenburg]

I find it incredible that, after everything that's happened, the Republicans are still going on about a stolen election.

This is just a total lie and they've seen the effect it has on the worst elements of his followers, yet they still carry on.

:rolleyes:

Yes, It's almost as if they support the right wing coup attempt. :hmmm:

[lapsedhibee]

I can't believe the death toll was only 4.

White mobs hard to aim at? :dunno:

[Callum_62]

Electoral college vote is certified

Women shot and killed was an air force vet

Twitter now losing its collective mind coz she was unarmed

I seen the video of her Trying to climb through that opening in the door as she was shot

I've no idea what was being said or instructed to be fair but they knew there were folk with guns on the other side according to the guy on the news who was there last night

I got a sense from him that he thought there was no need for this shooting though

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[Barney McGrew]

Get Ted cruz on asap

The tone so far has been much more reconilary from both Dems and republicans

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And yet he was still one of half a dozen that voted today against ratifying the votes in Pennsylvania because he believed the elections were fraudulent

[Callum_62]

And yet he was still one of half a dozen that voted today against ratifying the votes in Pennsylvania because he believed the elections were fraudulentHe wants to be president - he's trying to hold onto some trump supporters

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[Barney McGrew]

Women shot and killed was an air force vet

Twitter now losing its collective mind coz she was unarmed

I’m willing to bet all those outraged about that will have been equally outraged about the unarmed black people that have been shot and killed recently.

Or maybe not.

[Bostonhibby]

Before the last UK election I read an article about Johnson. The author knew him personally and she said he was a man either disinterested in or incapable of caring about the feelings of others.

She said he had betrayed his own siblings, cheated on every partner he had ever had, studiously ignored some of his own children, betrayed his political allies, used and discarded friends, deceived his employers etc etc etc. All he was interested in was what was best for Boris. Anything else was unimportant , if he got what he wanted then he was happy and if he retained a bit of popularity whilst doing so then all the better.

Trump has all the same tendencies. He won't shed a single tear for the lives ended because of his rhetoric. If it destabilises the next US govt and paves the way for one of his brood to have a run at the next election then he's happy. Everything else is just collateral damage.Read similar re Johnson, and his former employer Max Hastings (hardly a left wing Tory hater) gives some insights too.

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[Barney McGrew]

He wants to be president - he's trying to hold onto some trump supporters

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That’s the problem with Trumpism right there - Cruz is more worried about what’s in it for him rather than what’s the right thing to do.

[blackpoolhibs]

Electoral college vote is certified

Women shot and killed was an air force vet

Twitter now losing its collective mind coz she was unarmed

I seen the video of her Trying to climb through that opening in the door as she was shot

I've no idea what was being said or instructed to be fair but they knew there were folk with guns on the other side according to the guy on the news who was there last night

I got a sense from him that he thought there was no need for this shooting though

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She would have been warned that they would shoot her if she continued to try and get through the window. Whoever shot her would have been scared for their life, even if she did not have a gun, the next one might, or the one after that.

I have no sympathy for her.

[Killiehibbie]

White mobs hard to aim at? :dunno:

Only one shot. 3 medical emergencies resulted in the other deaths. I wonder if they got a knee to the back of the neck?

[Bostonhibby]

Priti Patal = Bottle Merchant.

She’s refused to name Trump or condemn his actions.


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I'm looking forward to our Foreign Secretay properly condemning Trump and his acolytes role in this.

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[Aldo]

Oh, she's surfaced again. Suitably distanced from anything that's actually part of her parliamentary brief again.

I'm looking forward to our Foreign Secretay properly condemning Trump and his acolytes role in this.

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Failing to name, shame and condone following his comments and the actions of his supporters is disgraceful imho.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Boris has briefed (warned) them not to condone what’s been said by Trump??


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[Aldo]

She would have been warned that they would shoot her if she continued to try and get through the window. Whoever shot her would have been scared for their life, even if she did not have a gun, the next one might, or the one after that.

I have no sympathy for her.

Without doubt however by her actions she has put herself in this position. She made the choice. It’s tragic however these people knew exactly what they were doing and surely knew what the potential outcome could be??


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[Hibbyradge]

Priti Patal = Bottle Merchant.

She’s refused to name Trump or condemn his actions.


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Are you sure. The report I read says she lays the blame squarely at his door :dunno:

[Mon Dieu4]

That’s the problem with Trumpism right there - Cruz is more worried about what’s in it for him rather than what’s the right thing to do.

Cruz is a lunatic, Craig Mazin the guy behind the Chernobyl series had to share a room with him at college, should see the stories and things he posts about him and what he got up to on twitter, he despises the guy

[Hibs Class]

The vast majority of what was on view looked like "redneck", it's difficult to believe this odd group represents anything else, but if you scratch the surface, theres some clever republicans hiding behind this and manipulating them for their own ends. Shame on them.

A bit like how Hitler used Stormtroopers on Krystalnacht to do the Nazi party's dirty work.

Trump has blood on his hands but he won't care.

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White House staffers described Trump's response to the rioters entering the Capitol as borderline enthusiastic, and he was unwilling to condemn them.

[Aldo]

Are you sure. The report I read says she lays the blame squarely at his door :dunno:

I watched it and on live TV 3 times she was asked if she would say Trump was responsibly and 3 times she skirted round the question. She did say it was disgraceful behaviour etc by those who took part.

If she has fair dos!

Edit: googled it and she has since laid the blame at his door.

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[Northernhibee]

Some republican members of congress claiming it was antifa who stormed congress.

It’s genuinely scary that they’ve seen yesterday’s scenes and want to fan the flames further.

[Jones28]

Priti Patal = Bottle Merchant.

She’s refused to name Trump or condemn his actions.


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There are a lot of ***** at the top of our politics at the moment, but she is jostling right up at the very top of the league table.

[marinello59]

There are a lot of ***** at the top of our politics at the moment, but she is jostling right up at the very top of the league table.

I didn't think Michael Howard would ever be toppled as the most odious Home Secretary ever but fair dos to her, she's risen to the challenge magnificently.

[Lendo]

I didn't think Michael Howard would ever be toppled as the most odious Home Secretary ever but fair dos to her, she's risen to the challenge magnificently.

Patel is evil incarnate. God help us all if she ever somehow becomes Tory Leader.

[Sir David Gray]

Are you sure. The report I read says she lays the blame squarely at his door :dunno:

She has.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/07/priti-patel-trump-remarks-led-to-violence-in-us-capitol

[ronaldo7]

We'll find many Tories and right wing hacks deleting tweets supporting the Tea party and right wing Republicans. They should be held to account for all their despicable endeavours.

[Callum_62]

The women that was shot and killed

I can't understand why she crawling through a broken window there when folk with guns out are on the other side

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[Hibrandenburg]

I'd like to think that yesterday's events will be a lesson to all who play down what's happening all over the Western World as just voter disillusionment against the establishment. Sure, people are disillusioned but that is only part of the story as they are merely pawns in an insidious network of modern day fascists pulling the strings and using that disillusionment to fire up the mob. Trump, Cummings, Orban, Putin, Bolsonaro, Le Penn, Farage, Wilders, Kaczyński, Netanyahu, Salvini, Banks and many more that I could list if I gave it more thought. Be under no illusion, fascism is alive and thriving again and what we saw yesterday is a tiny taste of things to come if the worlds population continue to keep their heads firmly stuck up their *****. However I won't hold my breath.

[cabbageandribs1875]

24195


one group of right wing ****s must have been gutted when trump lost....they certainly wen't very quiet

[Sylar]

Woman who was shot got exactly what she (and many others yesterday, who didn't) deserved.

Plenty of photos doing the round of the types of people who were there yesterday - including one wearing a 'Camp Auschwitz' t-shirt, and another with SS/Nazi symbols and '6MWE' (6 million wasn't enough) on a t-shirt.

Utter vermin.

[Keith_M]

Patel is evil incarnate. God help us all if she ever somehow becomes Tory Leader.


The Manager at my work is exactly like Priti Patel, and it ain't a 'pretty' sight.

Came back from maternity leave and has acted like The Spawn of Satan ever since. Constant bullying, no 'dissent' (i.e. asking questions) allowed and has been known to shout down people in meetings.

She even looks a bit like Patel, including the RBF.

[Bostonhibby]

24195


one group of right wing ****s must have been gutted when trump lost....they certainly wen't very quietThe Nasty party and nasty Nige with the ultimate nasty photo opportunity.



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[Hibernia&Alba]

That’s the problem with Trumpism right there - Cruz is more worried about what’s in it for him rather than what’s the right thing to do.

Correct. People like Cruz are completely amoral. Consumed with ambition, everyone and everything is expendable in pursuit of their personal goals. He is an extreme example of venality, a truly terrible person. He knows the conspiracy theory he is pushing is nonsense, but he has calculated it will help him in his next run for president, so he abandons democracy, truth, his oath of office. Cruz and his ilk have enabled Trump and the lunatic conspiracy theorists, one of the consequences of which was yesterday's madness.

[Northernhibee]

Not that we had any reason to think that there was, but factcheckers have confirmed that BLM/Antifa did not storm the Capitol last night. Quite incredible that factcheckers have to waste their time on such ludicrous statements from certain key Republicans.

[wookie70]

Before the last UK election I read an article about Johnson. The author knew him personally and she said he was a man either disinterested in or incapable of caring about the feelings of others.

She said he had betrayed his own siblings, cheated on every partner he had ever had, studiously ignored some of his own children, betrayed his political allies, used and discarded friends, deceived his employers etc etc etc. All he was interested in was what was best for Boris. Anything else was unimportant , if he got what he wanted then he was happy and if he retained a bit of popularity whilst doing so then all the better.

Trump has all the same tendencies. He won't shed a single tear for the lives ended because of his rhetoric. If it destabilises the next US govt and paves the way for one of his brood to have a run at the next election then he's happy. Everything else is just collateral damage.

I think the experts call Trump's condition malignant narcissism. If you get the chance to watch Unfit: The psychology of Donald Trump it goes into all his traits but also the way the process has been managed to press voters buttons. Really scary stuff, he even cheats repeatedly at Golf! Johnson probably cheats at Croquet

[ronaldo7]

Sometimes you just have to say it as it is. As our FM did with the BBC and Steve Bannon at the time. This was just over two years ago, but is it a lesson which the Tories will ever learn?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/20/nicola-sturgeon-quits-bbc-event-over-steve-bannon-invitation

[Haymaker]

What is DOD? Not sure how it works in the States but who is in charge of the National Guard and why were they not in readiness for the riot that took place?

Department of Defense.

Not sure if it is because DC isn't a state that's may be why they had to ask? Then other states governors mobilized theirs.

[Lendo]

Department of Defense.

Not sure if it is because DC isn't a state that's may be why they had to ask? Then other states governors mobilized theirs.

Currently not a State, but you can bet the case for full statehood for DC will be high on the agenda after yesterday. Was never going to happen in the Republican controlled House, but now the Democrats are in charge it is far more likely.

[Lendo]

Currently not a State, but you can bet the case for full statehood for DC will be high on the agenda after yesterday. Was never going to happen in the Republican controlled House, but now the Democrats are in charge it is far more likely.

Hopefully the same for Puerto Rico too.

[CropleyWasGod]

Currently not a State, but you can bet the case for full statehood for DC will be high on the agenda after yesterday. Was never going to happen in the Republican controlled House, but now the Democrats are in charge it is far more likely.

Other than party-political, what's the justification for statehood for DC?

I can understand why it's not, but am interested in why some want it.

[JimBHibees]

I didn't think Michael Howard would ever be toppled as the most odious Home Secretary ever but fair dos to her, she's risen to the challenge magnificently.

Absolutely despicable person imo

[Lendo]

Other than party-political, what's the justification for statehood for DC?

I can understand why it's not, but am interested in why some want it.

I’m not sure of the main motivations really, but I think the crux of the argument is that the policies of a new DC State could directly go against those of the federal government, who would be the biggest employer in the state. (That’s probably a gross oversimplification)

Politically it’s purely because it would be a guarantee of two safe Democrat seats.

[Bristolhibby]

Other than party-political, what's the justification for statehood for DC?

I can understand why it's not, but am interested in why some want it.

Straight away DC would get two senators. Two more would be added if Puerto Rico gets Statehood.

That would straight away be 4 Democratic Party senators.

For me, I’ll hark back to the founding of the Republic and the Boston Tea Party.

No Taxation, Without Representation.

Imagine if Britain had given the colonies MPs to sit in Parliament in London. A whole different ball game.

J

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1347041126197428226?s=19

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[CropleyWasGod]

Straight away DC would get two senators. Two more would be added if Puerto Rico gets Statehood.

That would straight away be 4 Democratic Party senators.

For me, I’ll hark back to the founding of the Republic and the Boston Tea Party.

No Taxation, Without Representation.

Imagine if Britain had given the colonies MPs to sit in Parliament in London. A whole different ball game.

J

Why not incorporate DC into Maryland?

(I'm also wondering if there are parallels with Australia)

[Moulin Yarns]

Last night's events were like a really bad episode of Designated Survivor.

[Northernhibee]

Absolutely despicable person imo

In a party that has IDS, Johnson, Hancock, Gove, McVey and more, it takes a special level of effort to be one of the worst human beings in that party but Pritti Patel does a sterling job.

[Since90+2]

I hate to think what could potentially happen at Biden's inauguration. If some nutjob Trump supporter does something horrific at that then you really have to wonder where America is going to end up.

[Keith_M]

Why not incorporate DC into Maryland?

(I'm also wondering if there are parallels with Australia)


That would be the most logical thing to do.

Hence the reason it won't ever happen.

[cabbageandribs1875]

facebook/instagram suspend trump for two weeks at least and possibly indefinitely


twitter should follow suit, he would explode

[Hibrandenburg]

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1347041126197428226?s=19

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None of the arrestees were from the DC area.

[Hibbyradge]

facebook/instagram suspend trump for two weeks at least and possibly indefinitely


twitter needs to do the same, he would explode

I doubt Twitter will.

Yes, he would explode, but he'd move to Gab or somewhere else. His followers would go with him and ditch Twitter. News outlets would continue to report his words thereby giving publicity to the new platform and millions would join it globally to enjoy the car crash, if nothing else.

Trump has probably been good for Twitter.

[Keith_M]

I like the constant barrage of stories about White House Staffers resigning.

Well, yeah, they only have two weeks left in their jobs so it's a rather obvious thing to do. I wouldn't read too much into it (like they've suddenly developed a conscience or a sense of right and wrong).

This is deserting the sinking ship time

[hibsbollah]

I hate to think what could potentially happen at Biden's inauguration. If some nutjob Trump supporter does something horrific at that then you really have to wonder where America is going to end up.

It’s something I’m not even comfortable talking about, but I’d imagine Kamala has a huge active security detail around her these days. Just the vast scale of horribleness against her even from mainstream right wing voices on Twitter is frightening.

[Hibrandenburg]

I like the constant barrage of stories about White House Staffers resigning.

Well, yeah, they only have two weeks left in their jobs so it's a rather obvious thing to do. I wouldn't read too much into it (like they've suddenly developed a conscience or a sense of right and wrong).

This is deserting the sinking ship time

:agree: At the very latest, anyone with any kind of integrity would have dumped him after he ridiculed the disabled guy.

[Hibernia&Alba]

:agree: At the very latest, anyone with any kind of integrity would have dumped him after he ridiculed the disabled guy.

Anyone with integrity wouldn't have touched Trump from the get go. He first got involved in running for president via the racist 'Birther' conspiracy relating to Obama. It was so obvious he was incapable, unqualified and morally unfit. His entire life has been a con.

[hibsbollah]

Anyone with integrity wouldn't have touched Trump from the get go. He first got involved in running for president via the racist 'Birther' conspiracy relating to Obama. It was so obvious he was incapable, unqualified and morally unfit. His entire life has been a con.

Its not fashionable to say so, but it started with John McCain, he isn’t the great all round non partisan guy hes been painted as recently. Him putting Sarah Palin on the ticket and opening the door to the tea party started all this extreme right wing liberalism off. I see Palin said on Fox today that yesterday’s senate riot was actually antifa dressed up as nazis. Right hen.

[Haymaker]

yesterday’s senate riot was actually antifa dressed up as nazis. Right hen.

I've asked this to the people I know here who are fully on board with that line of thinking: What would be in it for them (antifa type people)? They've technically already won.

[Keith_M]

I've asked this to the people I know here who are fully on board with that line of thinking: What would be in it for them (antifa type people)? They've technically already won.


I realise this is probably a stupid question but, is everything OK where you are?

[Haymaker]

I realise this is probably a stupid question but, is everything OK where you are?

Where I am certainly. No problems that I have heard about anyway. Lot of pissed off people but no one rioting or anything.

[Northernhibee]

Pelosi calls for the 25th Amendment to be used and if Pence doesn't do that, then congress will likely move forward with an impeachment.

His days are numbered.

[AltheHibby]

The women that was shot and killed

I can't understand why she crawling through a broken window there when folk with guns out are on the other side

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A tweet she put on Kamala Harris' Twitter:

"No the f*** you will not! No masks, no you, no Biden the kid raper, no vaccines...sit your fraudulent ass down...we the ppl bitch!"

This was in response to a tweet talking about Biden and Harris' plans.

Commonashsense was her Twitter account. It's horrendous.

Personally, the person I have sympathy for is the poor cop who was forced to shoot. I have no sympathy for any terrorist who is killed in the process of committing their crime.

[Northernhibee]

Pelosi - Trump gave Putin "his biggest gift yesterday" and "our country is a difficult place with Trump in office". Not holding back. Brilliant.

[wookie70]

A tweet she put on Kamala Harris' Twitter:

"No the f*** you will not! No masks, no you, no Biden the kid raper, no vaccines...sit your fraudulent ass down...we the ppl bitch!"

This was in response to a tweet talking about Biden and Harris' plans.

Commonashsense was her Twitter account. It's horrendous.

Personally, the person I have sympathy for is the poor cop who was forced to shoot. I have no sympathy for any terrorist who is killed in the process of committing their crime.

"we the ppl " A phrase very synonymous with complete roasters. I Tend to agree that I feel sorry for the Police Officer. Very poor than the majority of arrests seem to be for breaking curfew and the real terrorists, at least at the moment, don't appear to have been arrested.

[Northernhibee]

A phrase very synonymous with complete roasters. I Tend to agree that I feel sorry for the Police Officer. Very poor than the majority of arrests seem to be for breaking curfew and the real terrorists, at least at the moment, don't appear to have been arrested.

There's videos up of two Washington Post video journalists being arrested for filming protestors after curfew, rather than the protesters themselves. Media were exempt from the curfew.

That along with the videos of police opening the barriers raises a load of questions.

[BroxburnHibee]

She's not holding back is she?

[Northernhibee]

She's not holding back is she?

She's brilliant. It's putting Pence in an even tougher position, keeping the heat right on him, making him choose between country and Trump in terms of his legacy.

[wookie70]

There's videos up of two Washington Post video journalists being arrested for filming protestors after curfew, rather than the protesters themselves. Media were exempt from the curfew.

That along with the videos of police opening the barriers raises a load of questions.

There are huge questions on all aspects of security imo. Usually anyone trying to take control of a country needs the military and police. There were certainly enough signs in the footage that the Police weren't really doing much to stop the coup. I wonder what their instructions and orders were.

There will always be some decent cops, even in the US, and it may be the officer was put in a position they had no choice. Of course it could just be one of the shoot first ask questions later cops that seem to be in abundance over there.

[Hibrandenburg]

CNN putting before and after videos of certain Republican senators speeches. Great viewing if somewhat cringeworthy.

[Hibrandenburg]

Watching the Video of the black officer retreating up the stairs with the mob encroaching. Can't help but feel that if it was the other way round and it was black rioters and a white officer, then there'd be several dead rioters.

[JimBHibees]

Have seen a lot of news coverage there has been very little or no discussion about the policing in terms of why there was so few, how passive they seemed to be and what was the situation re national guard and comparison with Blm marches.

[Radium]

Have seen a lot of news coverage there has been very little or no discussion about the policing in terms of why there was so few, how passive they seemed to be and what was the situation re national guard and comparison with Blm marches.

https://youtu.be/JpUxQyLCBbk

Referenced by Colbert. Normally a comedian who comments on the days news.


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[Ozyhibby]

The new Law passed by Trump to protect statues means that the people who damaged the Capital building last night face up to 10 years in prison. They better hope Trump pardons them in the next two weeks.


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[wookie70]

The new Law passed by Trump to protect statues means that the people who damaged the Capital building last night face up to 10 years in prison. They better hope Trump pardons them in the next two weeks.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Surely it should be more than 10 years for taking part in a Coup. Even in a land of low sentences like the UK even planning a terrorist act usually means life. These rioters were taking part in a terrorist plot

[Haymaker]

The new Law passed by Trump to protect statues means that the people who damaged the Capital building last night face up to 10 years in prison. They better hope Trump pardons them in the next two weeks.


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And the complete idiot who stole a letter from Pelosi desk, waving it about on TV and giving his name - 5 years right there!

[Callum_62]

Police officer now died after riots yesterday

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[Hibrandenburg]

Trumps latest video release. 🤣

[RyeSloan]

Trumps latest video release. [emoji1787]

He moves and talks like he’s some sort of automaton...

That though was his version of a concession speech and is in stark contrast to his alternative self of yesterday.

[Hibrandenburg]

He moves and talks like he’s some sort of automaton...

That though was his version of a concession speech and is in stark contrast to his alternative self of yesterday.

It's like someone off camera is pointing a gun at him.

[Northernhibee]

It's like someone off camera is pointing a gun at him.

I had a wee theory in my head yesterday that he’s been told yesterday to do what he’s told for two weeks and he gets to finish his presidency without impeachment, now I’m convinced of it. No way he wrote his concession statement or that speech.

[Jim44]

I had a wee theory in my head yesterday that he’s been told yesterday to do what he’s told for two weeks and he gets to finish his presidency without impeachment, now I’m convinced of it. No way he wrote his concession statement or that speech.

Probably making a u turn so that he is legally eligible to stand at the next election.

[Keith_M]

Where I am certainly. No problems that I have heard about anyway. Lot of pissed off people but no one rioting or anything.


:aok:

[BroxburnHibee]

Probably making a u turn so that he is legally eligible to stand at the next election.

Thats exactly what it will be.

[Hibrandenburg]

I had a wee theory in my head yesterday that he’s been told yesterday to do what he’s told for two weeks and he gets to finish his presidency without impeachment, now I’m convinced of it. No way he wrote his concession statement or that speech.

My "gun" was metaphorical. His speech reminded me of some I've made myself after coming to agreement after industrial disputes. A deal has been done and both sides will have made concessions. Everything Trump has done in the past few weeks has resembled a slow pattern of escalation and culminating in what we saw 2 days ago. He's either now got what he wanted and we're unlikely to ever hear what that is officially, or he's been convinced in no uncertain terms that any further escalation will be counterproductive. We'll see in the coming weeks which one it is.

[ballengeich]

I had a wee theory in my head yesterday that he’s been told yesterday to do what he’s told for two weeks and he gets to finish his presidency without impeachment, now I’m convinced of it. No way he wrote his concession statement or that speech.
Also, it will have come as something of a shock to him that the people below him are abandoning ship rather than support him in his campaign to subvert the election result. I suspect that he thought that the marchers would cause Congress to see the light and do this. There may now even be a suspicion in a corner of his mind that he did genuinely lose. I'm confident he'll be able to overcome this temporary connection with reality and convince himself again that a grave injustice has been done. I expect him back to his old self shortly.

[BroxburnHibee]

Also, it will have come as something of a shock to him that the people below him are abandoning ship rather than support him in his campaign to subvert the election result. I suspect that he thought that the marchers would cause Congress to see the light and do this. There may now even be a suspicion in a corner of his mind that he did genuinely lose. I'm confident he'll be able to overcome this temporary connection with reality and convince himself again that a grave injustice has been done. I expect him back to his old self shortly.

Yep probably as soon as his twitter is re-activated.

[marinello59]

Yep probably as soon as his twitter is re-activated.

He's back on it now.

[wookie70]

https://youtu.be/JpUxQyLCBbk

Referenced by Colbert. Normally a comedian who comments on the days news.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkJust caught up with that. Great viewing. I particularly liked the phrase a black hole of whiteness

[Hibrandenburg]

CNN really not taking hostages in their before and after reporting on Republicans. Ted Cruz has just been given the treatment.

[Jones28]

Watching the Video of the black officer retreating up the stairs with the mob encroaching. Can't help but feel that if it was the other way round and it was black rioters and a white officer, then there'd be several dead rioters.

He should have been able to empty his clip in to the crowd with impunity, the same way a white counter-part could have done if it were as you described.

[Keith_M]

Police officer now died after riots yesterday

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So that's now five people dead.

The poor guy was just trying to do his job.

[Hibrandenburg]

Federal Prosecuters now investigating Trump's role in inciting riot and sedition. Stripey suntan time Donald.

[Dan Sarf]

Federal Prosecuters now investigating Trump's role in inciting riot and sedition. Stripey suntan time Donald.


:top marks

[Keith_M]

Federal Prosecuters now investigating Trump's role in inciting riot and sedition. Stripey suntan time Donald.


If only.

Can't see it happening, though

[WhileTheChief..]

I’d imagine Trump will spend an awful lot of time defending himself against prosecution for years to come.

There’s bound to be enquiries into so many things, Russia being top of the list.

[WhileTheChief..]

He should have been able to empty his clip in to the crowd with impunity, the same way a white counter-part could have done if it were as you described.

No, no he shouldn’t.

You’re not seriously suggesting that the police should have just opened fire into a crowd?

I thought that’s exactly the stuff that the US is trying to move away from.

I get that emotions are high, but your post is ridiculous in the extreme.

[CropleyWasGod]

I’d imagine Trump will spend an awful lot of time defending himself against prosecution for years to come.

There’s bound to be enquiries into so many things, Russia being top of the list.

It wouldn't be a great surprise to me if he gets a pardon, for the federal charges at least.

So much of Biden's work is going to be about healing the divisions in America. In that light, a pardon would be a small price to pay. The alternative would be making a martyr out of Trump, and widening the divide.

It would stick in the throat, of course, but it's political reality.

[BroxburnHibee]

It wouldn't be a great surprise to me if he gets a pardon, for the federal charges at least.

So much of Biden's work is going to be about healing the divisions in America. In that light, a pardon would be a small price to pay. The alternative would be making a martyr out of Trump, and widening the divide.

It would stick in the throat, of course, but it's political reality.

A pardon with the proviso neither him or his family ever run for public office again?

[CropleyWasGod]

A pardon with the proviso neither him or his family ever run for public office again?

Might be an option.

That might not help the feeling of martyrdom, of course, but how far should JB go to appease the right?

[Ozyhibby]

It wouldn't be a great surprise to me if he gets a pardon, for the federal charges at least.

So much of Biden's work is going to be about healing the divisions in America. In that light, a pardon would be a small price to pay. The alternative would be making a martyr out of Trump, and widening the divide.

It would stick in the throat, of course, but it's political reality.

I think that would be suicidal for the Democrats though. It would tear their own party apart. I don’t think he will even consider it.


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[Ozyhibby]

Of course President Pence might pardon him if he is removed from office next week.


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[CropleyWasGod]

Of course President Pence might pardon him if he is removed from office next week.


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What would be the merit in that, given that he's only got a couple of weeks to go? Does that stop him from running in 2024?

[Hibrandenburg]

I think that would be suicidal for the Democrats though. It would tear their own party apart. I don’t think he will even consider it.


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Appeasing fascists doesn't work, they only understand strength and appeasement will be interpreted as weakness.

[WhileTheChief..]

They want him out now before he does any more damage out of spite.

[Ozyhibby]

What would be the merit in that, given that he's only got a couple of weeks to go? Does that stop him from running in 2024?

Yes but also, there needs to be consequences for inciting an attack on the govt and murdering a police officer.


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[AltheHibby]

Now the orange baby has tweeted that he won't attend Joe Biden's inauguration.

[lapsedhibee]

Now the orange baby has tweeted that he won't attend Joe Biden's inauguration.

Stuck at Prestwick failing to gain admission to the country, I hope.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Now the orange baby has tweeted that he won't attend Joe Biden's inauguration.

It's tragic but unsurprising. I can't wait for a definitive biography of Trump's life; one that covers all his criminality and sociopathy over decades. What a read that will be.

[Northernhibee]

Now the orange baby has tweeted that he won't attend Joe Biden's inauguration.

What strikes me is the tone of the speeches he made looking like a hostage, and his penultimate tweet. Put simply, there's no way that the same person posted these two messages, differing entirely in tone and general literacy, eight minutes apart.


The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!



was followed by


To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th.

[ballengeich]

What would be the merit in that, given that he's only got a couple of weeks to go? Does that stop him from running in 2024?
The worry is quite how disturbed he is. James Naughtie was on radio yesterday saying that shortly before his resignation, Richard Nixon was depressed and frequently drunk, so chief of staff Alexander Haig took steps to disable the nuclear weapon codes the president had control over.

[hibsbollah]

The worry is quite how disturbed he is. James Naughtie was on radio yesterday saying that shortly before his resignation, Richard Nixon was depressed and frequently drunk, so chief of staff Alexander Haig took steps to disable the nuclear weapon codes the president had control over.

I heard that interview this morning. And Naughtie thinks someone in a similar position to Haig today will have put steps in place to protect the codes. If the NSA hasn’t already.

[Jones28]

No, no he shouldn’t.

You’re not seriously suggesting that the police should have just opened fire into a crowd?

I thought that’s exactly the stuff that the US is trying to move away from.

I get that emotions are high, but your post is ridiculous in the extreme.

My post was too strong, a should have been worded differently.

I wasn’t for a minute suggesting he should fire his gun into a crowd.

But my opinion is that a white counterpart could have taken that action without fear of repercussions; whereas a black officer could have felt torn between the two options and faced a very real choice of being beaten to death by a baying mob or shooting his way out and facing criminal charges at the end.

[Jones28]

Now the orange baby has tweeted that he won't attend Joe Biden's inauguration.

First time ever?

[DaveF]

First time ever?

No, it's occurred 3 times before but all in the 19th century.

[Ozyhibby]

No, it's occurred 3 times before but all in the 19th century.

Nixon wasn’t at Ford’s.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

Nixon wasn’t at Ford’s.


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Ford was sworn in inside the White House after Nixon's resignation. He then gave Nixon a full pardon for Watergate.

[Ozyhibby]

Ford was sworn in inside the White House after Nixon's resignation. He then gave Nixon a full pardon for Watergate.

That’s why I wary of impeachment. Don’t want Pence in to pardon him.


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[weecounty hibby]

He is a child. Imagine any sane person voting for him. I genuinely do not understand why anyone who can objectively look at his four years in office and his previous history could put up any kind of argument for voting for him. Arguable most dangerous world leader at the moment p

[BroxburnHibee]

That’s why I wary of impeachment. Don’t want Pence in to pardon him.


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A pardon would only come with some sort of concessions. Might be better than dealing with his crap for another 4 years sniping away.

Personally I'd stop him holding anymore rallies :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

A pardon would only come with some sort of concessions. Might be better than dealing with his crap for another 4 years sniping away.

Personally I'd stop him holding anymore rallies :greengrin

Nixon admitted nothing and Ford pardoned him for any and all crimes committed while he was President.


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[neil7908]

I think that would be suicidal for the Democrats though. It would tear their own party apart. I don’t think he will even consider it.


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Yup. We have to remember that Trump increased his vote tally in November from 2016. He actually gained support.

Democrats won as they got more of their support out to vote as they understood what was at stake. If Biden decides to not take any action to "heal the nation" it will be a colossal error and lose the Democrats huge support.

We've already had Nixon escape justice on the grounds of healing the nation and here we are again 50 odd years later with Trump. To me it would be unconscionable to let him get away just because he's powerful.

Ultimately any investigation needs to be impartial and fair. Maybe no crimes have been committed but investigation is essential to prevent Trump 2.0,and show that American does actually have some semblance of a justice system.

[Lendo]

A pardon with the proviso neither him or his family ever run for public office again?

That would potentially be challenged as a First Amendment issue in the Supreme Court. I think the First Amendment protects an individual’s right to political candidacy.

[Moulin Yarns]

I read this on twitter by Emma Kennedy


It seems the insurrectionist who died during his assault on the capitol, a man who wrote on Parler he was going “to ***** this country up” accidentally tasered himself in the balls while trying to steal a painting, triggering a heart attack.

Paging the Darwin Awards.

[AltheHibby]

I read this on twitter by Emma Kennedy


It seems the insurrectionist who died during his assault on the capitol, a man who wrote on Parler he was going “to ***** this country up” accidentally tasered himself in the balls while trying to steal a painting, triggering a heart attack.

Paging the Darwin Awards.

It's probably wrong, but I laughed reading that.

[Chorley Hibee]

I read this on twitter by Emma Kennedy


It seems the insurrectionist who died during his assault on the capitol, a man who wrote on Parler he was going “to ***** this country up” accidentally tasered himself in the balls while trying to steal a painting, triggering a heart attack.

Paging the Darwin Awards.

Who said men can't multi-task.

[Ozyhibby]

Trump kicked of Twitter permanently now.


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[Hibrandenburg]

Trump's twitter account has now been permanently closed.

[Hibrandenburg]

trump kicked of twitter permanently now.


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cnn?

[davy67 +]

cnn?

New York Times web site has it too

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/twittersafety/status/1347684877634838528?s=21


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[SHODAN]

He basically doesn't exist now.

[Hibbyradge]

I'm quite surprised, but pleased.

He'll be going radge so his next moves could be "special"!

[Mon Dieu4]

Canny be trusted on twitter but has the nuclear codes, says it all really

[Hibernia&Alba]

Canny be trusted on twitter but has the nuclear codes, says it all really

Yes. The next two weeks could be even more insane.

[Since90+2]

Canny be trusted on twitter but has the nuclear codes, says it all really

Even if he wanted to he'd not be allowed to launch any nukes at this stage.

[Peevemor]

[emoji848]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210109/81bd5eb3cbe1f3946099cd13cb9a5434.jpg

[neil7908]

[emoji848]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210109/81bd5eb3cbe1f3946099cd13cb9a5434.jpg

😂😂😂😂😂

[RyeSloan]

Twitter has been busy deleting posts from him on the official President account and suspended his campaign account which he also tried to use.

His immediate efforts to get around the ban just goes to show how much he valued that method of communication.

[Bostonhibby]

[emoji848]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210109/81bd5eb3cbe1f3946099cd13cb9a5434.jpgHi John

I am a Nigerian Prince who has also recently been the victim of a rigged election where the majority didn't vote for me. I now find myself removed from office.

I am currently holed up in a toilet behind a secret panel in my office.

During my time in power I have accumulated many millions of "campaign donations" which now need to be moved out of the reach of my enemies, the Mexicanadians.

If you send me all your bank account details, your pin numbers and passwords I will transfer all the money to you and we can split it evenly later.

Until we meet again.

Your friend Vladimir (the prince one, obviously not that guy in Russia).

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[weecounty hibby]

Canny be trusted on twitter but has the nuclear codes, says it all really

Nancy Pelosi has told the head of the joint chiefs of staff to hide the missile keys. Genuinely has done that!!

[weecounty hibby]

Official @potus account has been suspended too. He has been removed from platforms I hadn't even heard of! Madman

[Hibrandenburg]

[emoji848]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210109/81bd5eb3cbe1f3946099cd13cb9a5434.jpg

:faf:

[lapsedhibee]

[emoji848]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210109/81bd5eb3cbe1f3946099cd13cb9a5434.jpg

:greengrin

[Northernhibee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhjRXO72v1s

The excellent MSNBC with excellent and previously uncovered video of the Capitol.

It's horrifying. If anyone tries to say that Trump and his supporters aren't fascists, show them this.

[Ozyhibby]

Official @potus account has been suspended too. He has been removed from platforms I hadn't even heard of! Madman

Power is falling away from him at speed now. After the 20th he is going to find himself very exposed. He will spend the rest of his life in meetings with lawyers and will soon declare himself medically unfit to defend himself. And that’s a best case scenario where he avoids prison.
The tech companies that are banning him now, when it’s too late to reverse the damage he done are also showing how weak they are in that they fear the incoming government. They are worried about being broken up and a barrage of new regulations. This is a defensive move by them.


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[spike220]

Don't believe the hype in the press the POTUS can't single handed luanch a nuclear attack. It has always required two people. Imho Biden just as like to in any case and I certainly don't trust Pelosi.

[BroxburnHibee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhjRXO72v1s

The excellent MSNBC with excellent and previously uncovered video of the Capitol.

It's horrifying. If anyone tries to say that Trump and his supporters aren't fascists, show them this.

I just watched that and you're right it is horrific.

I think the calls for impeachment will gather over the weekend and make it inevitable it will happen on Monday.

[Ozyhibby]

Don't believe the hype in the press the POTUS can't single handed luanch a nuclear attack. It has always required two people. Imho Biden just as like to in any case and I certainly don't trust Pelosi.

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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[Northernhibee]

Don't believe the hype in the press the POTUS can't single handed luanch a nuclear attack. It has always required two people. Imho Biden just as like to in any case and I certainly don't trust Pelosi.

Opinions are worthless without evidence.

The floor is yours. Why is Biden as likely and why is Pelosi not trustworthy?

[spike220]

Opinions are worthless without evidence.

The floor is yours. Why is Biden as likely and why is Pelosi not trustworthy?

I don't have any psychological asessments of either, these are my opinions, based on my own observations through the opaque media, opinions are what we do in forums.... What is your opinion? It's okay if is different to mine BTW.

[Northernhibee]

I don't have any psychological asessments of either, these are my opinions, based on my own observations through the opaque media, opinions are what we do in forums.... What is your opinion? It's okay if is different to mine BTW.

Opinions are genuinely worthless if they don't come from a qualified source, I follow facts and what those who have genuine insight. Opinions are what we do on forums, indeed, but if your opinions are based on nothing at all then they're worth as much and you're wasting your and everybodies time in participating if this is the case.

From what we are being shown, Donald Trump is an out of control sociopath who is whipping up crowds determined to attack American democracy. Joe Biden is at least trying to bring sense to things and has a career based on trying to find concensus and is skilled in diplomacy, so is a far safer set of hands to run things.

As I say, I'd love to see the evidence that you surely must have based your opinion on that Biden is not a considerably safer set of hands.

Again, I'd also love to see the evidence that you've based your mistrust of Pelosi on.

[bawheid]

Power is falling away from him at speed now. After the 20th he is going to find himself very exposed. He will spend the rest of his life in meetings with lawyers and will soon declare himself medically unfit to defend himself. And that’s a best case scenario where he avoids prison.
The tech companies that are banning him now, when it’s too late to reverse the damage he done are also showing how weak they are in that they fear the incoming government. They are worried about being broken up and a barrage of new regulations. This is a defensive move by them.


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The best thing Biden could do for western democracies would be to destroy Twitter and Facebook, or completely change them through strict regulation.

[PeeJay]

Don't believe the hype in the press the POTUS can't single handed luanch a nuclear attack. It has always required two people. Imho Biden just as like to in any case and I certainly don't trust Pelosi.

Not sure where you are getting your "evidence" from? The US nuclear launch protocol has nothing to do with "press hype" - the President is "ultimately" the sole authority - formally, the President does not need approval or consent to launch nuclear missiles, he can take advice from the SoD, StratCom; Pentagon, military advisors, and any other others or leave it as he pleases it seems.

Strengthening Checks on Presidential Nuclear Launch Authority | Arms Control Association (https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2018-01/features/strengthening-checks-presidential-nuclear-launch-authority)
Protocol for a U.S. Nuclear Strike (wagingpeace.org) (https://www.wagingpeace.org/protocol-u-s-nuclear-strike/)
Nuclear bomb launch procedure by US government and president - Business Insider (https://www.businessinsider.com/nuclear-bomb-launch-procedure-us-government-president-2017-11?r=DE&IR=T)

You say it has always required two people, I don't think that is the case, what, e.g. would be the logic in that if a decision has to be made quickly and one of the two disagrees with the other? Are you mixing this up perhaps with the missile operators who have to be 2 in number? :confused:

[spike220]

Opinions are genuinely worthless if they don't come from a qualified source, I follow facts and what those who have genuine insight. Opinions are what we do on forums, indeed, but if your opinions are based on nothing at all then they're worth as much and you're wasting your and everybodies time in participating if this is the case.

From what we are being shown, Donald Trump is an out of control sociopath who is whipping up crowds determined to attack American democracy. Joe Biden is at least trying to bring sense to things and has a career based on trying to find concensus and is skilled in diplomacy, so is a far safer set of hands to run things.

As I say, I'd love to see the evidence that you surely must have based your opinion on that Biden is not a considerably safer set of hands.

Again, I'd also love to see the evidence that you've based your mistrust of Pelosi on.

Well mostly conversations with Americans, so definitely not evidence. I have quite a few friends and acquaintancesfrom the US across the spectrum. The feeling I get is a huge sense disunity. Both sides are to blame for this and media and social media both play up to this. Many families are torn apart by growing political devisions. Which does not benefit society. The thinking that One side will be the safe pair of hands is in my opinion not realistic if it divides society further. Some have talked about the need to desolve the United States to address the deep divisions. Not something I have ever heard before in my lifetime. So I don't see stability returning to the USA soon. But I am sure some of the Hibs netters living in the USA will have their own take on this.

[pollution]

All very interesting opinions in this thread.

My main thought is why did the police etc allow this demonstration such close and easy access to the buildings themselves ?

I don't want to go into collusion theories; that set of buildings must surely be easy to defend. What did not happen and why.

[Hibbyradge]

[emoji848]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210109/81bd5eb3cbe1f3946099cd13cb9a5434.jpg

John Barron genuinely was an alias Trump used previously. 😁

[Ozyhibby]

Not sure where you are getting your "evidence" from? The US nuclear launch protocol has nothing to do with "press hype" - the President is "ultimately" the sole authority - formally, the President does not need approval or consent to launch nuclear missiles, he can take advice from the SoD, StratCom; Pentagon, military advisors, and any other others or leave it as he pleases it seems.

Strengthening Checks on Presidential Nuclear Launch Authority | Arms Control Association (https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2018-01/features/strengthening-checks-presidential-nuclear-launch-authority)
Protocol for a U.S. Nuclear Strike (wagingpeace.org) (https://www.wagingpeace.org/protocol-u-s-nuclear-strike/)
Nuclear bomb launch procedure by US government and president - Business Insider (https://www.businessinsider.com/nuclear-bomb-launch-procedure-us-government-president-2017-11?r=DE&IR=T)

You say it has always required two people, I don't think that is the case, what, e.g. would be the logic in that if a decision has to be made quickly and one of the two disagrees with the other? Are you mixing this up perhaps with the missile operators who have to be 2 in number? :confused:

The President has sole authority but only if it’s legal. There are protocols in place. The country would need to be attacked first. If all the protocols are not followed then the generals will refuse to act. It’s not just a red button on his desk.


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[Keith_M]

Here's the Big Red Button.


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fimages-na.ssl-images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F71y7oDeeZZL._AC_UL160_.j pg&f=1&nofb=1

[PeeJay]

The President has sole authority but only if it’s legal. There are protocols in place. The country would need to be attacked first. If all the protocols are not followed then the generals will refuse to act. It’s not just a red button on his desk.


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No - the power is in the hands of the civilians, i.e. the people (represented here by the President) and NOT in the hands of the military or others: there is justified reason to this being the case. Think about it for a moment!
The links I posted explain it better, but dissenting generals as you imply are not logical. Imagine the country was under attack and people and generals start debating "should we shouldn't we press the button" - someone has to decide and the protocol clearly says it is the President and he is the sole authority. The "country has to be under attack" is not true either. There is not a "no-first use policy" in the USA, it all seems to be under review and some people don't agree with the current situation, but it is what it is.

I never mentioned a big red button by the way, but I think Mr Orange thinks there is one ...:greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

No - the power is in the hands of the civilians, i.e. the people (represented here by the President) and NOT in the hands of the military or others: there is justified reason to this being the case. Think about it for a moment!
The links I posted explain it better, but dissenting generals as you imply are not logical. Imagine the country was under attack and people and generals start debating "should we shouldn't we press the button" - someone has to decide and the protocol clearly says it is the President and he is the sole authority. The "country has to be under attack" is not true either. There is not a "no-first use policy" in the USA, it all seems to be under review and some people don't agree with the current situation, but it is what it is.

I never mentioned a big red button by the way, but I think Mr Orange thinks there is one ...:greengrin

You are correct in all the above.

However, under the circumstances, I think there's a very good chance that the military would deduce that the president was unstable and resist his demands until he was Amendment 25'd.

I would hope...

[wookie70]

The best thing Biden could do for western democracies would be to destroy Twitter and Facebook, or completely change them through strict regulation.
I agree but then you would have to do the same with the News Broadcasters. I have been watching Fox just to see what the far right are saying. You would still think Trump was the reasonable voice in this if you only listened to Fox News. I always try and seek both sides of the story although I am similar in politics to Corbyn. The Uk is full of people with similar views as Trump voters and they have a poster boy here too. Racism and looking after yourself at the expense of your community are as much British values as American ones. So sad that working people continually paint targets on each others backs rather than those who create the world's ills. I always used to say there are far more good people in the world than bad but Facebook and Twitter is starting to change my mind on that

[spike220]

It's not just my opinion that USA is divided and is not well served by the political distrust of politicians across the spectrum. Not really evidence as such but just illustrates the point I made earlier.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/us-capitol-riots-grim-violent-future-for-america-experts-warn/GPS3V2V2X3B7OATR33MAFZBXZY/

[MWHIBBIES]

While the democrats aren't blameless, putting them on the same level of blame for the divisiveness as the GOP is mad. Guys like Cruz and Hawley should be facing jail for the chaos they've helped cause.