(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[JeMeSouviens]

He’s already laying the tracks for that one.

If we thought the Hanging Chads in Florida were bad, wait for November 2020. This from a President who is open to serving more than two terms.

The thing is, even if he does lose, he’ll likely be back in 2024. A president can serve two non consecutive terms. Unless the GOP comes to its senses.

J

His approval rating has been net -ve for all but the first week of his presidency. That's unprecedented for a US president since they started measuring these things, which is all the way back to Harry Truman. They'd be absolutely bonkers to let him run again if there's any way they can stop it.

[RyeSloan]

I don't think the US people especially the military will allow him to stop the democratic process which next to capitalism is the American holy cow.

Absolutely.

Trump will abide by the results, he won’t have any other choice.

It’s already pretty clear that he has very little support within the White House, the military and his own party so despite his desperate whining now he will already know he’s walking in November if the result goes against him.

And for all he is clearly a mentalist I reckon he’ll rather just retire to the golf course rather than carry on getting slated by half the country on a daily basis...his ego goes both ways and getting the hell out of dodge must look pretty attractive to him just now.

[Ozyhibby]

Absolutely.

Trump will abide by the results, he won’t have any other choice.

It’s already pretty clear that he has very little support within the White House, the military and his own party so despite his desperate whining now he will already know he’s walking in November if the result goes against him.

And for all he is clearly a mentalist I reckon he’ll rather just retire to the golf course rather than carry on getting slated by half the country on a daily basis...his ego goes both ways and getting the hell out of dodge must look pretty attractive to him just now.

I don’t think he will be allowed to. There are prosecutors all over the place who will delight in pressing charges. The minute he loses the presidency, he loses the protection he has against that.


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[BroxburnHibee]

Hes now trying to end Obamacare in the middle of a Pandemic when the numbers are rocketing!

I don't know the intricacies of the US medical system but it feels like his hatred of Obama is more important.

[Hibrandenburg]

Absolutely.

Trump will abide by the results, he won’t have any other choice.

It’s already pretty clear that he has very little support within the White House, the military and his own party so despite his desperate whining now he will already know he’s walking in November if the result goes against him.

And for all he is clearly a mentalist I reckon he’ll rather just retire to the golf course rather than carry on getting slated by half the country on a daily basis...his ego goes both ways and getting the hell out of dodge must look pretty attractive to him just now.

:agree: But then again, what do we know as we don't live there our opinion is invalid. :wink:

[RyeSloan]

:agree: But then again, what do we know as we don't live there our opinion is invalid. :wink:

Ha well no one ever said distance learning views were not valid....merely that on some subjects views can be more informed by being present to see and experience first hand.

On this subject though I reckon you could live on the moon and still see that Trump is a mentalist!

[Hibrandenburg]

Ha well no one ever said distance learning views were not valid....merely that on some subjects views can be more informed by being present to see and experience first hand.

On this subject though I reckon you could live on the moon and still see that Trump is a mentalist!

100% Apologies about the wee dig, just couldn't help myself.

[Ozyhibby]

I see Unilever and Coca Cola have withdrawn their advertising from Facebook because of their failure to stop publishing misleading or racist posts. I expect they will likely now start to do so which will hurt the Trump campaign. Facebook shares down 7% on the news.


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[wpj]

BBC News - Rolling Stones warn Trump not to use their songs - or face legal action
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53208593

[Ozyhibby]

I think the news of Putin putting a bounty on US troops has the potential to really damage Trump with his own base.

https://youtu.be/kiDkTOKI7Ro

It also allows the democrats to keep Biden of the stage for another few weeks which is good for them.


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[Moulin Yarns]

BBC News - Rolling Stones warn Trump not to use their songs - or face legal action
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53208593

Tom petty family also issued a cease and desist notice for the use of Won't Back Down after it was used at a rally recently.

[wpj]

Tom petty family also issued a cease and desist notice for the use of Won't Back Down after it was used at a rally recently.

The Petty family released a heartfelt statement to say the song was for everyone who was beaten down and not at all to do with Trump or his views.

[neil7908]

I think the news of Putin putting a bounty on US troops has the potential to really damage Trump with his own base.

https://youtu.be/kiDkTOKI7Ro

It also allows the democrats to keep Biden of the stage for another few weeks which is good for them.


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You'd think so but honestly not sure anymore. I'd have thought his treasonous behaviour towards Russia, Turkey, Ukraine, China etc would have done it but those, like all of the million other crazy things he's done seemed to have had minimal impact.

I think he's only going to lose in November if the economy is struggling. I honestly think without COVID and the economic collapse he would beat Biden.

[DaveF]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53212685

[lapsedhibee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53212685

Trump's people claiming he didn't realise there was anything said about white power, but it could hardly be clearer (https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1276965068048158720)

[Hibs Class]

Trump's people claiming he didn't realise there was anything said about white power, but it could hardly be clearer (https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1276965068048158720)

It couldn't be clearer but I can imagine he retweeted without watching it, in much the same was that he endorses books which are favourable to him / rubbishes books that aren't and in most/all cases it's almost certain that he has not read, or even opened, them. It's what narcissistic trolls do.

[Bristolhibby]

It couldn't be clearer but I can imagine he retweeted without watching it, in much the same was that he endorses books which are favourable to him / rubbishes books that aren't and in most/all cases it's almost certain that he has not read, or even opened, them. It's what narcissistic trolls do.

Add the Bible to the list of books he’s never read.

Strikes me as an over privileged, entitled frat-boy who never has to read in his life.

J

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.thearticle.com/the-polls-say-biden-is-beating-trump-but-are-they-right
Good article on what Trump has to achieve in order to stay in the White House. It’s almost impossible.


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[wpj]

Trump is a racist, his father was a racist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Man_Trump

[wpj]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/30/trump-putin-russia-afghanistan-us-soliders-bounty

This nutter is out of control

[BroxburnHibee]

Something brilliant I read.....

If covid19 could talk this is what it would be saying .

COVID-19: "Perhaps I didn't make myself clear the first time, so let me
try again.

I am immune to Trump's lies and gaslighting. Ignorance and
misinformation from Trump and Fox only makes me stronger. I can't be
defeated with phony patriotism, guns, flag waving, or denial. I can't be
defeated with magic, because I am real, and magic is not. I can only be
defeated with science, facts, maturity, unselfishness, and common
sense. I am nothing like the flu, but the flu is a fan of mine, and it
wants to be like me when it grows up. Trying to ignore me won't save
you. I can't be defeated with thoughts and prayers, so going to places
of worship won't save you. You may not be interested in me, but I am
obsessed with you. Currently there is no vaccine for me, and that's the
problem. I recognize no one's authority. Selfish ignorant people like
Trump and his cult are the wind beneath my wings, they give me life. I
may have lost some strength in other countries, but thanks to Trump,
America is making me great again.

Perfectly sums it up

[Kato]

Something brilliant I read.....

If covid19 could talk this is what it would be saying .

COVID-19: "Perhaps I didn't make myself clear the first time, so let me
try again.

I am immune to Trump's lies and gaslighting. Ignorance and
misinformation from Trump and Fox only makes me stronger. I can't be
defeated with phony patriotism, guns, flag waving, or denial. I can't be
defeated with magic, because I am real, and magic is not. I can only be
defeated with science, facts, maturity, unselfishness, and common
sense. I am nothing like the flu, but the flu is a fan of mine, and it
wants to be like me when it grows up. Trying to ignore me won't save
you. I can't be defeated with thoughts and prayers, so going to places
of worship won't save you. You may not be interested in me, but I am
obsessed with you. Currently there is no vaccine for me, and that's the
problem. I recognize no one's authority. Selfish ignorant people like
Trump and his cult are the wind beneath my wings, they give me life. I
may have lost some strength in other countries, but thanks to Trump,
America is making me great again.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1278904549718331392?s=21


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[Colr]

He’s in trouble now. Kanye’s wanting to run.

That will totally split the “barking at the moon” vote.

Although, it doesn’t actually look possible as he does not appear to have filed the required paperwork.

Wibble!!

[DaveF]

Not related to Trump but I see that several F1 drivers didn't take a knee before today's race.

How long as the EPL doing it for? I've not seen many games but saw them still doing this yesterday.

[Keith_M]

Kanye West as President and Kim Kardashian as First Lady.


It sounds like a natural progression to me


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[Mibbes Aye]

Not related to Trump but I see that several F1 drivers didn't take a knee before today's race.

How long as the EPL doing it for? I've not seen many games but saw them still doing this yesterday.

Not sure about the EPL but I noticed they have gone back to surnames on the back of their jerseys.

In the F1 fourteen took the knee, six didn't, but two of them issued statements saying they were commited to the fight against racism. Reading between the lines in the statements of those who didn't there appears to be a subtle suggestion that they were feared of a backlash in their home countries, but I am maybe over-interpreting.

[EAZY-ME]

Trump is a racist, his father was a racist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Man_Trump

Did you know trump actually gave business loans to black people that were shunned elsewhere... in one case the guy went to pay Trump back as his business was now successful.....trump then refused the money and said his success was his payment.

[Beefster]

Did you know trump actually gave business loans to black people that were shunned elsewhere... in one case the guy went to pay Trump back as his business was now successful.....trump then refused the money and said his success was his payment.

No offence but that sounds too good to be true and like something made up by a Trump supporter to counter the mass of documented racism from Trump. Got a link to a source?

[Hibbyradge]

Did you know trump actually gave business loans to black people that were shunned elsewhere... in one case the guy went to pay Trump back as his business was now successful.....trump then refused the money and said his success was his payment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html

[hibsbollah]

No offence but that sounds too good to be true and like something made up by a Trump supporter to counter the mass of documented racism from Trump. Got a link to a source?

There’s a good NY times fact check on Trumps claims about being the best president since Lincoln for the black community. The black unemployment figures is the lowest since records were collected in 1972 at 5.9%. But the overall rate is falling for all Americans, partly because part time and temporary work has increased exponentially since the 90s, as it has in the U.K, so historical comparisons of unemployment aren’t that useful. Nowadays the poor do two jobs and are still poor.

When they incorporated all the cuts to federal programmes to the matrix, they had him in the bottom 25% in terms of ranking presidents. Not the worst, just not great. And that study only focused on living standards, it didn’t take in to account the rhetoric and race dog whistles. The only clearly more racist president they found was Andrew Jackson.

[The Modfather]

I see Kanye West is talking about running for president. Despite the fact he appears to be a bit of a weirdo, after they voted in Trump anything is possible in America.

[wpj]

It was the best loan, there's never been a loan like it, im just glad I was able to give that loan, Obama never gave a loan like that or any Marxist left leaning liberal statue pulling down pinkos

[Mibbes Aye]

It was the best loan, there's never been a loan like it, im just glad I was able to give that loan, Obama never gave a loan like that or any Marxist left leaning liberal statue pulling down pinkos

That's a good post, that's a great post, a beautiful post. I've not read the post but people tell me it was a great post. I talk to lots of people. Thar's what they tell me. By the way, I've done deals, some great deals.

Crooked Hillary, Sleepy Joe, I don't want to talk about the guy who was in before me, it wasn't right or legal, I'm not saying that, that's what I hear. That's what people tell me. I hear lots of things. Yes. Interesting things, things that are interesting. I can't say any more but it is interesting.

Kanye, he's a great guy, an interesting guy. I hear that a lot. I don't know. People talk about Kanye and that's what I hear. He is a good guy, that's what people tell me. I don't know him but he is a great and beautiful guy. That's what I've heard. I don't lnow.

[overdrive]

I see Kanye West is talking about running for president. Despite the fact he appears to be a bit of a weirdo, after they voted in Trump anything is possible in America.

Is the suggestion not that this is a tactic by Trump? West is too late to register to stand as an independent in a handful of states so has little chance of actually being elected. However, he could stand as a “write-in” candidate in some of those states where he could take some of the black and young vote away from Biden which may help Trump.

Though I read an article this morning which said that it might backfire and West might actually eat into Trump’s share of the vote as West’s pro-Trump declarations have made him unpopular amongst Democrats.

Alternatively, it is a publicity stunt for his new album.

[Colr]

Is the suggestion not that this is a tactic by Trump? West is too late to register to stand as an independent in a handful of states so has little chance of actually being elected. However, he could stand as a “write-in” candidate in some of those states where he could take some of the black and young vote away from Biden which may help Trump.

Though I read an article this morning which said that it might backfire and West might actually eat into Trump’s share of the vote as West’s pro-Trump declarations have made him unpopular amongst Democrats.

Alternatively, it is a publicity stunt for his new album.

Kanye is a republican. It’s kind of condescending, not to say racist, for them to assume black people will vote for someone just because they’re black. (Buut not beyond, their logical framework).

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/adamparkhomenko/status/1280378615381794816?s=21


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[wpj]

Cant wait to see his response to this

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-news-live-coronavirus-2020-election-us-white-house-update-tweets-a9605126.html

[wpj]

If there is actual evidence that could be proved? This could be damning but im guessing his supporters will use the fake news and Marxist antifa mantra.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/07/trump-russia-us-soldiers-afghanistan-putin

[wpj]

At it again, i wonder if the
$450m they pay into organisatio will end up in his pals pockets


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jul/08/coronavirus-live-news-us-to-leave-who-as-organisation-warns-crisis-accelerating

[wpj]

OK, maybe I'm getting obsessed but he gets lower and lower, disgusting person!

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jul/07/bubba-wallace-donald-trump-twitter-nascar

[Hibs Class]

OK, maybe I'm getting obsessed but he gets lower and lower, disgusting person!

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jul/07/bubba-wallace-donald-trump-twitter-nascar

It's no surprise - his behaviour is exactly what filthy racists do and he needs to be called out for it. Also not surprising that so much of his base will lap it up, but depressing that Kayleigh McEnany is so willing to parrot his bigotry.

[hibsbollah]

Does anyone remember when George W was considered the deranged ‘hard right’ president? He’s an absolute Gandhi compared to the current incumbent.

[Rocky]

Does anyone remember when George W was considered the deranged ‘hard right’ president? He’s an absolute Gandhi compared to the current incumbent.

And remember when Dan Quayle misspelt potato and was portrayed as the stupidest guy alive. He's probably Einstein compared to Trump.

[DaveF]

Having read some the ***** Kanye West comes out with he's either a good wind up merchant (which I assume is the case) or 100 times thicker than Trump.

[Hibbyradge]

Have you guys seen this advert?

Powerful stuff!

https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/1280761223160705024?s=19

[Pretty Boy]

Have you guys seen this advert?

Powerful stuff!

https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/1280761223160705024?s=19

It's well put together but the 1st response makes an interesting point.

[Hibrandenburg]

Have you guys seen this advert?

Powerful stuff!

https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/1280761223160705024?s=19

They've had 4 years to reject him. Powerful as it is, it comes from desperation, would they be so critical about Trump if he was flying high in the polls?

[Hibbyradge]

It's well put together but the 1st response makes an interesting point.

Which response, S? The one on mine is just vague criticism.

[Hibbyradge]

They've had 4 years to reject him. Powerful as it is, it comes from desperation, would they be so critical about Trump if he was flying high in the polls?

It doesn't matter. Hopefully it will influence some of them not to vote.

[Pretty Boy]

Which response, S? The one on mine is just vague criticism.

'A generation that can't remember Reagan need to realise that he was seen as an extremely right wing turn away from traditional conservativism. But the normalisation of Reaganism has allowed Trumpism to be born. Think what happens in the future if Trump is normalised.'

[Hibbyradge]

'A generation that can't remember Reagan need to realise that he was seen as an extremely right wing turn away from traditional conservativism. But the normalisation of Reaganism has allowed Trumpism to be born. Think what happens in the future if Trump is normalised.'

Frightening!

[Kato]

Which response, S? The one on mine is just vague criticism.

The one re-Thatcher and making a UK version, maybe?

She never made such inspirational, inclusive speeches, as hollow as it was from Ron.

[Smartie]

'A generation that can't remember Reagan need to realise that he was seen as an extremely right wing turn away from traditional conservativism. But the normalisation of Reaganism has allowed Trumpism to be born. Think what happens in the future if Trump is normalised.'

https://www.waterstones.com/book/the-f-ck-it-list/john-niven/9780434023264

This is lying next to my bed, and is top of my "to read" list.

[Ozyhibby]

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Blimey.

[wpj]

Oh FFS

BBC News - Roger Stone: Trump commutes ex-adviser's sentence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53371756

[Hibs Class]

Oh FFS

BBC News - Roger Stone: Trump commutes ex-adviser's sentence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53371756

This from a president who continually tweets LAW AND ORDER. Again, beyond parody.

[Future17]

Oh FFS

BBC News - Roger Stone: Trump commutes ex-adviser's sentence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53371756

If he's willing to commute this sentence now, how many pardons will he give to his friends and associates at the end of his term?

[hibsbollah]

This from a president who continually tweets LAW AND ORDER. Again, beyond parody.

US justice. Free to those who can afford it. Expensive to those who cant. #apologiestoWithnail&I

[Bangkok Hibby]

https://www.waterstones.com/book/the-f-ck-it-list/john-niven/9780434023264

This is lying next to my bed, and is top of my "to read" list.


Thanks for that, just bought the Kindle version

[neil7908]

This from a president who continually tweets LAW AND ORDER. Again, beyond parody.

I desperately hope a prosecutor out there has an indictment ready to go the day he leaves office (hopefully on November).

I have real fears about how much he's going to cheat to win this election.

[Tobias Funke]

Some political commentators in the US reckon Trump and his personal lawyer/attorney general are putting the pieces in place to dispute Novembers results and steal another term, even if Biden wins by a landslide. It’s a very real prospect.

There is absolutely no danger Trump will go quietly.

[RyeSloan]

Some political commentators in the US reckon Trump and his personal lawyer/attorney general are putting the pieces in place to dispute Novembers results and steal another term, even if Biden wins by a landslide. It’s a very real prospect.

There is absolutely no danger Trump will go quietly.

I’m going to predict he won’t and he will in that order to your suppositions.

There are far too many legal protections to stop him stealing anything. He has little or no support in the justiciary now, same for the military and his own party. All before mentioning the power of the people if and when such a thing comes to pass. But basically, in my opinion, he simply doesn’t have the power base to even try.

And when he sees the size of his defeat he’ll disappear faster than you could imagine possible to hopefully spend the rest of days on a golf course while spending his ill gotten gains fighting a jail term for the multitude of charges that will repeatedly be heading his way....before one finally sticks and he himself end up being the one suffering the ‘lock him up’ chants.

[Tobias Funke]

I’m going to predict he won’t and he will in that order to your suppositions.

There are far too many legal protections to stop him stealing anything. He has little or no support in the justiciary now, same for the military and his own party. All before mentioning the power of the people if and when such a thing comes to pass. But basically, in my opinion, he simply doesn’t have the power base to even try.

And when he sees the size of his defeat he’ll disappear faster than you could imagine possible to hopefully spend the rest of days on a golf course while spending his ill gotten gains fighting a jail term for the multitude of charges that will repeatedly be heading his way....before one finally sticks and he himself end up being the one suffering the ‘lock him up’ chants.

I really hope you are right.

[Ozyhibby]

If he's willing to commute this sentence now, how many pardons will he give to his friends and associates at the end of his term?

Think that is why a lot of Muellers cases got handed to state prosecutors.


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[stokesmessiah]

I hope when he comes to Scotland to play golf, we make his life a misery.

[Moulin Yarns]

I hope when he comes to Scotland to play golf, we make his life a misery.

In the words of Janey Godley, Trump's a ****

[lapsedhibee]

Darwin Award nominations for Trump voters (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/30-year-old-dies-covid-party-texas)

[Keith_M]

Some political commentators in the US reckon Trump and his personal lawyer/attorney general are putting the pieces in place to dispute Novembers results and steal another term, even if Biden wins by a landslide. It’s a very real prospect.

There is absolutely no danger Trump will go quietly.


Will he take the case to the Courts or the SFA?

I predict a claim for Eight Billion Dollars in damages if he does lose the election, plus the subsequent legal proceedings.

[Smartie]

Will he take the case to the Courts or the SFA?

I predict a claim for Eight Billion Dollars in damages if he does lose the election, plus the subsequent legal proceedings.

Maybe he’ll demand that they change the rules so that there can be more presidents for a while? Nobody should have to suffer a disproportionate impact following an election.

[Bostonhibby]

I’m going to predict he won’t and he will in that order to your suppositions.

There are far too many legal protections to stop him stealing anything. He has little or no support in the justiciary now, same for the military and his own party. All before mentioning the power of the people if and when such a thing comes to pass. But basically, in my opinion, he simply doesn’t have the power base to even try.

And when he sees the size of his defeat he’ll disappear faster than you could imagine possible to hopefully spend the rest of days on a golf course while spending his ill gotten gains fighting a jail term for the multitude of charges that will repeatedly be heading his way....before one finally sticks and he himself end up being the one suffering the ‘lock him up’ chants.Where do we donate[emoji106]

If hate and self interest was a disease.....

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[Radium]

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... the end of a beautiful friendship


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[stokesmessiah]

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... the end of a beautiful friendship


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I see he has also turned on the CDC as well.. both the CDC and WHO are all liars.

[calumhibee1]

I have a vague recollection of a poster or two on here who had voted for Trump and I think we’re going to vote for him again. I can’t remember their names, but if it was you, do you still plan on voting that way?

The first 3 years of his presidency went as I expected - badly, but nothing necessarily earth shatteringly bad. But the 6 months or so have been utterly mental and more along the lines of what others probably thought he was going to be like the whole time.

[EAZY-ME]

Trump is a far better president than Joe biden.... the man's cognitively impaired and can barely string a sentence together. One quote from him was "poor kids are just as clever as white kids"
Or you can watch one of his speeches in delaware where he starts blabbing about a bad dude called cornpop and putting straight razors in water barrels to make them rusty. Then moves on to say something about roaches and loving kids on his lap....it was like 3 different a stories in one..america is a mess

[Future17]

Trump is a far better president than Joe biden.... the man's cognitively impaired and can barely string a sentence together. One quote from him was "poor kids are just as clever as white kids"
Or you can watch one of his speeches in delaware where he starts blabbing about a bad dude called cornpop and putting straight razors in water barrels to make them rusty. Then moves on to say something about roaches and loving kids on his lap....it was like 3 different a stories in one..america is a mess

I haven't seen a lot of Biden since he got the nomination and, in some ways, I wish the Dems had picked a different candidate. However, there is well documented evidence of Trump struggling in the same way as you've suggested Biden has been.

Trump is not fit for office in more ways than one.

[Ozyhibby]

I think they are both deteriorating mentally but one of them is a decent human being.


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[Pretty Boy]

Trump is a far better president than Joe biden.... the man's cognitively impaired and can barely string a sentence together. One quote from him was "poor kids are just as clever as white kids"
Or you can watch one of his speeches in delaware where he starts blabbing about a bad dude called cornpop and putting straight razors in water barrels to make them rusty. Then moves on to say something about roaches and loving kids on his lap....it was like 3 different a stories in one..america is a mess

Is that example really evidence that Trump is a 'far better President' than Biden would be?

It suggests Biden may be unfit for office. In Trumps case that has already been proven beyond dispute with multiple examples in the last 3 months alone.

[Mibbes Aye]

Trump is a far better president than Joe biden.... the man's cognitively impaired and can barely string a sentence together. One quote from him was "poor kids are just as clever as white kids"
Or you can watch one of his speeches in delaware where he starts blabbing about a bad dude called cornpop and putting straight razors in water barrels to make them rusty. Then moves on to say something about roaches and loving kids on his lap....it was like 3 different a stories in one..america is a mess

You criticise Biden’s cognitive skills. Your post shows a lack of grammar, lack of capitalisation, lack of time narrative (you can’t say Trump is a far better president than Biden, because Biden has never been president).

Three different stories in one, I think you might be right. The problem is your three are a bit dodgy to say the least.

[Mibbes Aye]

Said it before. will say it again.

If NYC comes out of the pandemic in a relatively healthy state then there is going to be a lot of pressure on Andrew Cuomo the NY state governor, to be a write-in for the Democratic Convention and stand from the floor. If I was Biden it might be preferable to stand back, take the elder stateman’s role.

That allows Julian Castro, Kamala Harris or Beto O’Rourke in as relatively young VPs who can also carry key states and key demographics. Crude, but that is politics, or rather, that is elections.

[Tobias Funke]

Trump is a far better president than Joe biden.... the man's cognitively impaired and can barely string a sentence together. One quote from him was "poor kids are just as clever as white kids"
Or you can watch one of his speeches in delaware where he starts blabbing about a bad dude called cornpop and putting straight razors in water barrels to make them rusty. Then moves on to say something about roaches and loving kids on his lap....it was like 3 different a stories in one..america is a mess

No offence but your post is a jumbled up mess. If you are going to criticise someone’s cognitive impairment at least made an effort to make a lucid argument in relation to it. Your contribution is a disaster area.

[Santa Cruz]

Trump is a far better president than Joe biden.... the man's cognitively impaired and can barely string a sentence together. One quote from him was "poor kids are just as clever as white kids"
Or you can watch one of his speeches in delaware where he starts blabbing about a bad dude called cornpop and putting straight razors in water barrels to make them rusty. Then moves on to say something about roaches and loving kids on his lap....it was like 3 different a stories in one..america is a mess

I can just as easily instantly source at least 20 briefings/interviews with Trump over the last 3 months alone, when he jumps from story to story, lie, to lie, contradiction to contradiction. Undeniable evidence of a cognitive impairment.

What worries me, is a lot of American citizen's agree with your view, which is of course, their right.

Trump is not fit for the position of POTUS and the world is a far more dangerous place while he remains in the job.

Echo the other OP who would like to see the New York Governor as the Democrat candidate for POTUS.

[SHODAN]

Biden would be a marginally better president than Trump.

What is infuriating is he has flatly refused each and any compromise request from former Sanders voters (universal health care, free tuition) and expects them to vote for him anyway. If I was American, I would seriously think about voting third party.

[Future17]

Said it before. will say it again.

If NYC comes out of the pandemic in a relatively healthy state then there is going to be a lot of pressure on Andrew Cuomo the NY state governor, to be a write-in for the Democratic Convention and stand from the floor. If I was Biden it might be preferable to stand back, take the elder stateman’s role.

That allows Julian Castro, Kamala Harris or Beto O’Rourke in as relatively young VPs who can also carry key states and key demographics. Crude, but that is politics, or rather, that is elections.

I think there is zero chance of this. For starters, whilst Biden is far from perfect, all his dirty laundry is (presumably) out in public already given his prior VP role and the extensive vetting of candidates this time round. The American public knows what it's getting - good and bad.

The perception in some quarters is that Cuomo has done well on a single incident (not even a single issue) but his name recognition isn't close to Biden or Trump. The Democrats would effectively be starting from scratch policy-wise with a candidate who hasn't been vetted at this level.

Biden holds a comfortable poll lead over Trump. As long as that holds, there's too much to lose and too little to gain for the Democrats to do anything other than a coronation at their convention. I also think there isn't a chance of the party machine - including donors and interest groups - allowing Biden to step aside now even if he wanted to...which he won't.

[grunt]

If I was American, I would seriously think about voting third party.Vote 3rd party, get Trump.

[Hibs Class]

Biden would be a marginally better president than Trump.

What is infuriating is he has flatly refused each and any compromise request from former Sanders voters (universal health care, free tuition) and expects them to vote for him anyway. If I was American, I would seriously think about voting third party.

Even if that third party was Kanye?!

[EAZY-ME]

You criticise Biden’s cognitive skills. Your post shows a lack of grammar, lack of capitalisation, lack of time narrative (you can’t say Trump is a far better president than Biden, because Biden has never been president).

Three different stories in one, I think you might be right. The problem is your three are a bit dodgy to say the least.

That's because I'm posting a comment on hibs.net and couldn't give a **** about the grammar... im not writing to the queen..

[JeMeSouviens]

Biden would be a marginally better president than Trump.

What is infuriating is he has flatly refused each and any compromise request from former Sanders voters (universal health care, free tuition) and expects them to vote for him anyway. If I was American, I would seriously think about voting third party.

Not how triangulation works. He has to take potential Trump voters, the farther to the left will vote for him anyway - because Trump.

Anyway, Biden is romping this atm. Not just in the national polls, in the battleground states as well. Even normally GOP strongholds like Texas are in play. It would be a historically unmatched turnaround for Trump to win from here.

[JeMeSouviens]

Said it before. will say it again.

If NYC comes out of the pandemic in a relatively healthy state then there is going to be a lot of pressure on Andrew Cuomo the NY state governor, to be a write-in for the Democratic Convention and stand from the floor. If I was Biden it might be preferable to stand back, take the elder stateman’s role.

That allows Julian Castro, Kamala Harris or Beto O’Rourke in as relatively young VPs who can also carry key states and key demographics. Crude, but that is politics, or rather, that is elections.

Why would they do that now with Biden miles ahead?

[EAZY-ME]

[QUOTE=Higgo;6235041]No offence but your post is a jumbled up mess. If you are going to criticise someone’s cognitive impairment at least made an effort to make a lucid argument in relation to it. Your contribution is a disaster

Its not a jumbled up mess at all its just a quick post on hibs.net You just saw someone else criticise me then jumped on the bandwagon..

[lapsedhibee]

That's because I'm posting a comment on hibs.net and couldn't give a **** about the grammar... im not writing to the queen..

That's the spirit. Take a bit of care for The Queen, but don't bother for hibs.netters. What with her having blue blood and that.

[Ozyhibby]

Why would they do that now with Biden miles ahead?

Also the democrat convention this year will be a virtual convention. There will be little room for wheeling and dealing. It will be a rubber stamp affair.
The pandemic is perfect for Biden. It means a lot less campaigning, no rally’s night after night. He has to get through three debates and walk round a few factories without mishap and the job is his.


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[hibsbollah]

Vote 3rd party, get Trump.

:agree: The Ralph Nader effect. Vote Ralph, get George W. How was that a sensible vote for protecting the environment? :doh:

Ordinarily I’d say it was the responsibility of the Democratic Party to actually engage with working class Americans who have felt ignored by them in recent elections and have abandoned their traditional party, opting for populism as a result (sound familiar?). In reality though, the Democrat lead is now so big across a range of key states that only a disruptive 3rd party entrant or Biden doing something unconscionable will turn the tide. There’s no chance the DP will make any changes to the candidature at this point.

[wpj]

https://images.app.goo.gl/Wm2Gbirt5TDn78FWA

[Mibbes Aye]

I think there is zero chance of this. For starters, whilst Biden is far from perfect, all his dirty laundry is (presumably) out in public already given his prior VP role and the extensive vetting of candidates this time round. The American public knows what it's getting - good and bad.

The perception in some quarters is that Cuomo has done well on a single incident (not even a single issue) but his name recognition isn't close to Biden or Trump. The Democrats would effectively be starting from scratch policy-wise with a candidate who hasn't been vetted at this level.

Biden holds a comfortable poll lead over Trump. As long as that holds, there's too much to lose and too little to gain for the Democrats to do anything other than a coronation at their convention. I also think there isn't a chance of the party machine - including donors and interest groups - allowing Biden to step aside now even if he wanted to...which he won't.

I agree and disagree. I think Cuomo has massive name recognition and has the factor that his father was a key figure in the Democratic Party and was always expected to run himself. There is a machine within the machine that would support Cuomo.

On the other hand Biden has the recognition of having been VP. He swings black votes massively, given he is from a very different demographic.

He is no youngster though, and has had his health concerns. I think he can seal the deal at the convention but I also think that Cuomo could potentially win a floor vote. Caution was what stopped his father challenging Clinton. There is something Shakespearean in all this!

Take your point about vetting but also note that Cuomo will have been scrutinised to the nth degree already and Biden has faced allegations, albeit lame, over the last few months

[Tobias Funke]

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Its not a jumbled up mess at all its just a quick post on hibs.net You just saw someone else criticise me then jumped on the bandwagon..

Sadly for you it WAS a jumbled up mess and you were rightly called out for it, that happens when you make a **** of yourself, a bit like Trump does on an almost daily basis.

[HNA1]

This forum is a lot nicer for everyone without personal insults. Play nice, folks.

[EAZY-ME]

This forum is a lot nicer for everyone without personal insults. Play nice, folks.

So if i use stars instead of actual words would that have been OK....

[hibsbollah]

I do love a Beef

[HNA1]

So if i use stars instead of actual words would that have been OK....

No.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unmarked-vehicles-portland-protesters/#.XxD9y_CwH4w.twitter

Trump heading the way of Pinochet.


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[hibsbollah]

https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unmarked-vehicles-portland-protesters/#.XxD9y_CwH4w.twitter

Trump heading the way of Pinochet.


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Federal militarised police vs redneck local cops. It’s like Mississippi Burning all over again, except the feds are now the bad guys 40 years on.

[Ozyhibby]

Not really related to trump but to do with militarisation, this video clip is the Jalisco drug cartel soldiers in Mexico. Frightening level of armoury they have.

https://twitter.com/hdemauleon/status/1284278015330066432?s=21


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[DaveF]

Trump's pardoned mate
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/07/19/roger-stone-calls-black-radio-host-mokelly-racial-slur-in-interview/amp/

[SHODAN]

Not how triangulation works. He has to take potential Trump voters, the farther to the left will vote for him anyway - because Trump.

Anyway, Biden is romping this atm. Not just in the national polls, in the battleground states as well. Even normally GOP strongholds like Texas are in play. It would be a historically unmatched turnaround for Trump to win from here.

I'm pretty sure polls were saying similar in 2016 and we all know how that went.

[RyeSloan]

I'm pretty sure polls were saying similar in 2016 and we all know how that went.

The commentary I have read has suggested the polls were quite different (significantly tighter) at this stage in 2016.

Also the incumbent was not running while also rather incompetently (not) dealing with a killer virus, a sinking economy and substantial racial tension.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm pretty sure polls were saying similar in 2016 and we all know how that went.

Polls in 2016 were nothing like they are now.


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[Mibbes Aye]

The commentary I have read has suggested the polls were quite different (significantly tighter) at this stage in 2016.

Also the incumbent was not running while also rather incompetently (not) dealing with a killer virus, a sinking economy and substantial racial tension.

This is one example of how his predecessor dealt with substantial racial tension, after the Charleston shootings. You simply can’t see how Trump would ever behave like that.

Edit - better clip because of his preface about’reservoirs of goodness’ but the acoustics aren’t as good. But you still get the sentiment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S58k3ZXRJJc

[Ozyhibby]

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[RyeSloan]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200719/f91fe566de4156ed5561b4bb39632974.jpg


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Wow. If that comes to pass it must be up there in the record books in terms of scale of defeats no?

Trump likes his records tho so maybe he’ll still claim it was the best ever [emoji23]

[Mibbes Aye]

Wow. If that comes to pass it must be up there in the record books in terms of scale of defeats no?

Trump likes his records tho so maybe he’ll still claim it was the best ever [emoji23]

I am cautiously optimistic. Reagan owns it in recent decades in my opinion. He wiped the floor with Carter and then Mondale in the scale of electoral college votes..

[RyeSloan]

I am cautiously optimistic. Reagan owns it in recent decades in my opinion. He wiped the floor with Carter and then Mondale in the scale of electoral college votes..

Walter Mondale....has forgotten about him! Just had a quick google on that election result. Jeezus talk about a landslide!

[Mibbes Aye]

Walter Mondale....has forgotten about him! Just had a quick google on that election result. Jeezus talk about a landslide!

I am friends with someone who went over to work on his campaign and he desribes Walter as a good guy and a nice guy. Also, the first time a woman was on the ticket.

Height of the Cold War though and the Dems never stood a chance.

[Hibernia&Alba]

One day a comprehensive biography of Trump will be written, detailing his entire life of perfidy (step forward David Cay Johnston) when all who support him now will no doubt distance themselves and plead ignorance. There is no such defence, given the countless warnings provided. There is no need for hindsight here; Trump's nefarious existence is known to the world. I only hope he represents the end of all that is pernicious in America, in a final act of desperate defiance, and not the beginning of a darker chapter. One can't help but feel it could go either way; we can only hope his plea to ignorance and intolerance is a manifestation of the death knell of his ilk. Yes, hate is a strong word, but I truly hate Trump and his demagoguery.

[Future17]

Trump's pardoned mate
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/07/19/roger-stone-calls-black-radio-host-mokelly-racial-slur-in-interview/amp/

Almost unbelievable he would say that. Totally believable he would lie about it.

P.S. Minor distinction in this context but Stone wasn't pardoned, he just had his sentence commuted, which he himself seems to have forgotten already.

[stokesmessiah]

Nobody going to mention that Kanye West speech!?

[Keith_M]

Nobody going to mention that Kanye West speech!?


I was just about to. The guy's totally off his rocker!


I wonder where he's going to get the $1M for every new mother.

Apparently that's his answer to 'solving' abortion.

[EAZY-ME]

I was just about to. The guy's totally off his rocker!


I wonder where he's going to get the $1M for every new mother.

Apparently that's his answer to 'solving' abortion.

Yup totally lost the plot.... that speech was just nuts. I still think trumps a better candidate than West or biden.

[lapsedhibee]

Nobody going to mention that Kanye West speech!?

Hope West runs and does really well, splits the lunatic vote and allows someone who's not completely ******* nuts into the White House.

[Tobias Funke]

Yup totally lost the plot.... that speech was just nuts. I still think trumps a better candidate than West or biden.

Let’s put the Kanye nonsense to the side, that’s just not going to happen. End of.

Lets make this clear however, Trump is an abomination of a human being. A failed businessman propped up by daddys fortunes, a snake oil salesman, a fraud, a racist, a rampant unashamed liar, a misogynist, a terrible statesman/politician and a serial adulterer. A man who has abandoned any form of strategy against the current pandemic in favour of promoting conspiracy theories and stoking up racial tensions, among other things. He is a shambles, his recent Fox News interview is as big a tv car crash as you’ll ever see. The man has the thinnest skin ever, a total and utter child.

Biden isn’t perfect but to say Trump is a better candidate is absolutely ******ing mental. 🤪

[bigwheel]

Yup totally lost the plot.... that speech was just nuts. I still think trumps a better candidate than West or biden.

Is it his racism , prejudice, lies , misogyny, sexual attacks, record unemployment, lack of coherent response on Covid-19, abysmal international relationships or his brutality against the BLM protesters that draw that conclusion for you ??

[Future17]

Hope West runs and does really well, splits the lunatic vote and allows someone who's not completely ******* nuts into the White House.

That hasn't worked on here. :greengrin

[Sylar]

The scenes in Portland are horrific, and yet he's planning to send more troops into other cities to do similar.

I hope he's removed via a democratic process, but if other mechanisms were to transpire that ended his political career, I'd maybe open a nice single malt to observe the end of an era.

[EAZY-ME]

The scenes in Portland are horrific, and yet he's planning to send more troops into other cities to do similar.

Its probably because of the previous protests that this is happening or is violence, murder, looting destruction of property the list goes on acceptable

[Ozyhibby]

Its probably because of the previous protests that this is happening or is violence, murder, looting destruction of property the list goes on acceptable

Camouflaged military grabbing people of the street without identifying themselves? Your ok with that? If you are then it not worth engaging with you any further.


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[EAZY-ME]

Camouflaged military grabbing people of the street without identifying themselves? Your ok with that? If you are then it not worth engaging with you any further.


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I dont think they would be grabbing random people for no reason. Its more likely intelligence lead apprehensions. They will have trawlled through hours and hours of footage and photos and used under cover officers. ....sadly i don't think we will get the full truth

[grunt]

Camouflaged military grabbing people of the street without identifying themselves? Your ok with that? If you are then it not worth engaging with you any further.


I dont think they would be grabbing random people for no reason. Its more likely intelligence lead apprehensions. They will have trawlled through hours and hours of footage and photos and used under cover officers. ....sadly i don't think we will get the full truthDo you have any evidence whatsoever for that assessment?

[EAZY-ME]

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for that assessment?

Do you have any evidence to say otherwise

[grunt]

Do you have any evidence to say otherwiseBye.

[Bristolhibby]

I dont think they would be grabbing random people for no reason. Its more likely intelligence lead apprehensions. They will have trawlled through hours and hours of footage and photos and used under cover officers. ....sadly i don't think we will get the full truth

Nope, the intelligence you mention is the people lifted we’re wearing black and out and about late in Portland.

Neither, last time I checked, is illegal.

Have a read of this, https://www.facebook.com/1186666567/posts/10222911787081639/?d=n

Shocking stuff.

J

[wpj]

I dont think they would be grabbing random people for no reason. Its more likely intelligence lead apprehensions. They will have trawlled through hours and hours of footage and photos and used under cover officers. ....sadly i don't think we will get the full truth

Several "dictatorships" begin with a general acceptance of this behaviour and it seldom ends well.

[hibeedc]

Camouflaged military grabbing people of the street without identifying themselves? Your ok with that? If you are then it not worth engaging with you any further.


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They are identified, they have patches on their uniforms identifying them as Homeland Security.

[Ozyhibby]

They are identified, they have patches on their uniforms identifying them as Homeland Security.

With the name and number of the officer?


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[grunt]

They are identified, they have patches on their uniforms identifying them as Homeland Security.Why are we suddenly being targeted by pro-Trump posters from the US?

[AT8]

Why are we suddenly being targeted by pro-Trump posters from the US?

Because everyone’s entitled to their opinion, even if it differs from yours?

[hibeedc]

With the name and number of the officer?


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I think it would be unusual to have that info on a patch, but truth is I don't know.

[Bristolhibby]

I think it would be unusual to have that info on a patch, but truth is I don't know.

Should do at all times.

Even soldiers have their name patch.

Is there a problem with Officers of the Law being identifiable?

I’d have thought that’s a key tenet of accountability. They work for the taxpayer remember.

J

[hibeedc]

Why are we suddenly being targeted by pro-Trump posters from the US?
I don't think this thread is being targeted and I am not from the US. Also I am not so much pro Trump as anti what he is up against. Although the content is hugely anti Trump the thread title is President Donald Trump.

[hibeedc]

Should do at all times.

Even soldiers have their name patch.

Is there a problem with Officers of the Law being identifiable?

I’d have thought that’s a key tenet of accountability. They work for the taxpayer remember.

J
No don't have a problem with any of that. As I said I would not have thought that much info was on a patch on a uniform. I thought soldiers had dog tags to identify them and police officers have a badge which they produce if asked. Are you saying that officers wear a patch that identifies the individual as well as who they work for ?

[grunt]

No don't have a problem with any of that. As I said I would not have thought that much info was on a patch on a uniform. I thought soldiers had dog tags to identify them and police officers have a badge which they produce if asked. Are you saying that officers wear a patch that identifies the individual as well as who they work for ?Don't your YouTube videos explain all this?

[hibeedc]

Don't your YouTube videos explain all this?
Lots of info on youtube but I thought that was common knowledge.

[lapsedhibee]

Also I am not so much pro Trump as anti what he is up against.

What Trump mostly seems to be up against is the truth, and facts.

[Bristolhibby]

No don't have a problem with any of that. As I said I would not have thought that much info was on a patch on a uniform. I thought soldiers had dog tags to identify them and police officers have a badge which they produce if asked. Are you saying that officers wear a patch that identifies the individual as well as who they work for ?

Don’t see why not.

I’m officer Bristolhibby of the Avon & Somerset Police.

Badge number on my uniform is HIB-23.

Instead we have murky “Federal Agents” who work for a “Federal Agency” with a mish-mash of combat uniforms. No ID, no identification of who they are or their jurisdiction. Lifting people off the streets of Portland, Oregon.

Off Federal property, what rights of arrest have they got? If I were the Oregon Governor or the Portland Mayor I’d be telling them to wind their necks in and stick to the Federal buildings and property.

J

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1285542612871663617?s=21


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.liberties.eu/en/news/police-id-requirement-to-fight-abuse-impunity-ris-spain/14092

Good article here on why Police should always be identifiable.
It’s important for accountability. I remember the police were criticised for covering their collar numbers during the miners strike riots.


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[Hiber-nation]

I refuse to believe that 3 Hibs supporters could also support Donald Trump.

[AT8]

I refuse to believe that 3 Hibs supporters could also support Donald Trump.

What does one have to do with the other?

[Kato]

What does one have to do with the other?What I take from it is - as Hibs fans we are all steeped in the culture of Scottish football. We all know what cultural bigotry looks like, and the morons who propagate it, as it's on display in the visitors end a few times a season. Why then, would any of us want someone who is an expert in propagating cultural bigotry in the most powerful office in the world.

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[Hiber-nation]

What I take from it is - as Hibs fans we are all steeped in the culture of Scottish football. We all know what cultural bigotry looks like, and the morons who propagate it, as it's on display in the visitors end a few times a season. Why then, would any of us want someone who is an expert in propagating cultural bigotry in the most powerful office in the world.

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Thank you 👍

[AT8]

What I take from it is - as Hibs fans we are all steeped in the culture of Scottish football. We all know what cultural bigotry looks like, and the morons who propagate it, as it's on display in the visitors end a few times a season. Why then, would any of us want someone who is an expert in propagating cultural bigotry in the most powerful office in the world.

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Fair enough. As I've said before, President Trump has my support, not because I think he's a swell guy, but because the prospect of a Joe Biden presidency gives me nightmares.

[Ozyhibby]

Fair enough. As I've said before, President Trump has my support, not because I think he's a swell guy, but because the prospect of a Joe Biden presidency gives me nightmares.

Most Trump supporters say that. Before it was Hilary that gave them the fear. Really, they just hold the same values as him.


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[CapitalGreen]

Fair enough. As I've said before, President Trump has my support, not because I think he's a swell guy, but because the prospect of a Joe Biden presidency gives me nightmares.

How extreme are your nightmares if they are worse than

- hundreds of thousands of people dying unnecessarily as a result of his Covid response
- the army being deployed on the streets across your nation
- the president being close acquaintances with one of the countries most prolific sex offenders
- your president overriding the judicial system to get his friends out of jail
- redirecting millions of dollars due to help small businesses to the companies of his wealthy friends and donors

[Kato]

Fair enough. As I've said before, President Trump has my support, not because I think he's a swell guy, but because the prospect of a Joe Biden presidency gives me nightmares.

That's as lame an answer as I've ever heard.

Could you tell us why you want Trump. What values does he proclaim that you share?

[bigwheel]

Fair enough. As I've said before, President Trump has my support, not because I think he's a swell guy, but because the prospect of a Joe Biden presidency gives me nightmares.

What is it about Biden that gives you fear ?


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[AT8]

If the truth be told, I despise the "woke" liberal agenda that Democrats espouse, so for that reason, I have no choice but to support whoever is running against the Democrats.

[Rocky]

If the truth be told, I despise the "woke" liberal agenda that Democrats espouse, so for that reason, I have no choice but to support whoever is running against the Democrats.

Could you name a specific from the woke liberal agenda that you disapprove of?

[bigwheel]

If the truth be told, I despise the "woke" liberal agenda that Democrats espouse, so for that reason, I have no choice but to support whoever is running against the Democrats.

You surely need to go deeper than that....

Is it his active human rights record and his anti violence against women agenda ?

Is it his affordable care act ?

Is it his free college for most ?

His low income housing policy ?

His support of the climate crisis...

Woke is a media manifestation....policies are what you are voting for....


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[Kato]

I despise the "woke" liberal agenda that Democrats espouse


Facebook Word Salad. No dressing.

[AT8]

Things I'm against:-

Anarchy and lawlessness
Tax increases
Illegal immigration
Tax payer funded abortions
Trying to erase history
Tax payer funded handouts for those unwilling to work
Eliminating the 2nd amendment
The list goes on.....................................

Yes, I have conservative views so if that makes me the bad guy, then so be it.

[Pretty Boy]

Is woke a variation on snowflake? Are both just evolutions of the 'PC brigade' and 'PC gone mad'?

There never seems much substance behund their usage beyond an apparent fear of people and things that are different. I can't speak for others but I've always been confident enough of my own opinions to accept that others may disagree without resorting to what is essentially name-calling. As an example I has a difference of opinion with a friend about shared public spaces and trans woman recently, I didn't feel the need to call her 'woke' because we disagreed though.

I'd be intrigued as to why a 'woke liberal agenda' would discourage someone from voting for a party. Through my eyes it certainly seems preferable to the various isms and phobias that make up the incumbent alternative.

[Rocky]

Is woke a variation on snowflake? Are both just evolutions of the 'PC brigade' and 'PC gone mad'?

There never seems much substance behund their usage beyond an apparent fear of people and things that are different. I can't speak for others but I've always been confident enough of my own opinions to accept that others may disagree without resorting to what is essentially name-calling. As an example I has a difference of opinion with a friend about shared public spaces and trans woman recently, I didn't feel the need to call her 'woke' because we disagreed though.

I'd be intrigued as to why a 'woke liberal agenda' would discourage someone from voting for a party. Through my eyes it certainly seems preferable to the various isms and phobias that make up the incumbent alternative.

It's not a real thing, it's just one of those right wing cliches you hear from people who spend their days on Facebook and Breitbart. See also "erasing history", "all lives matter" etc

[Pretty Boy]

Things I'm against:-

Anarchy and lawlessness
Tax increases
Illegal immigration
Tax payer funded abortions
Trying to erase history
Tax payer funded handouts for those unwilling to work
Eliminating the 2nd amendment
The list goes on.....................................

Yes, I have conservative views so if that makes me the bad guy, then so be it.

I've seen you mention abortion before and I'm curious as to what you view the alternative as?

Abortion has been documented as far back as the times of the ancient Greeks and Romans. It is mentioned in the Old Testament of the Bible (interestingly it isn't mentioned explicitly in the New Testament). Whilst I can accept and sympathise with the moral conundrum that abortion presents and personally feel uncomfortable about the ending of a life, I also realise that it isn't going away.

Do you believe removing access to safe abortion will somehow eliminate the demand for it? Does placing abortion into the hands of private companies for profit make it less morally objectionable when compared to it being a tax payer funded procedure? Do you oppose abortion in all circumstances or only that which is funded through taxation?

Abortion in a safe, secure and supportive environment for anyone who require it seems infinitely preferable to me as opposed to a return to back street abortions and the associated risks. I absolutely understand why people are uncomfortable with the idea of abortion, I think a lot of people do, but I also realise there is no realistic alternative.

[bigwheel]

Things I'm against:-

Anarchy and lawlessness
Tax increases
Illegal immigration
Tax payer funded abortions
Trying to erase history
Tax payer funded handouts for those unwilling to work
Eliminating the 2nd amendment
The list goes on.....................................

Yes, I have conservative views so if that makes me the bad guy, then so be it.

You can have any political views you want....even though those read like a cross between right wing Facebook / New York post agenda items... how about the things you stand for, rather than against??

Biden has been in public service since he was 29...he has a pretty decent track record of credible achievements..That said, his anti inequality focus will certainly clash with your beliefs it would appear..


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[Bristolhibby]

I've seen you mention abortion before and I'm curious as to what you view the alternative as?

Abortion has been documented as far back as the times of the ancient Greeks and Romans. It is mentioned in the Old Testament of the Bible (interestingly it isn't mentioned explicitly in the New Testament). Whilst I can accept and sympathise with the moral conundrum that abortion presents and personally feel uncomfortable about the ending of a life, I also realise that it isn't going away.

Do you believe removing access to safe abortion will somehow eliminate the demand for it? Does placing abortion into the hands of private companies for profit make it less morally objectionable when compared to it being a tax payer funded procedure? Do you oppose abortion in all circumstances or only that which is funded through taxation?

Abortion in a safe, secure and supportive environment for anyone who require it seems infinitely preferable to me as opposed to a return to back street abortions and the associated risks. I absolutely understand why people are uncomfortable with the idea of abortion, I think a lot of people do, but I also realise there is no realistic alternative.

Also, if it’s feckless layabouts that NYC can’t stand. Surely free and available abortions is a way to reduce one of his perceived problems (too many poor people living on handouts).

I have much more respect for a poor girl who can’t afford a child having an abortion than the Republican lawmakers preventing her that right. Using the Bible to hide behind.

J

[Kato]

It's not a real thing, it's just one of those right wing cliches you hear from people who spend their days on Facebook and Breitbart. See also "erasing history", "all lives matter" etc


There's a great American tradition which helped America be as good as it could be in the past called "The Social Contract". Seems that's dangerous and to be feared these days.

[AT8]

I once made the mistake of watching a video showing how abortions are carried out as I genuinely had no idea. It was one of the most horrifying things I've ever seen and was deeply disturbing. My line of thinking is, if you know you're not in a position to raise a child and you don't have contraception, then you must abstain from having sex. I just don't think it's right that my taxes should be used to bail someone out because they couldn't keep their legs closed.

In cases of rape, incest or potential harm to the mother or baby then yes, abortion is perfectly acceptable.

[Ozyhibby]

I once made the mistake of watching a video showing how abortions are carried out as I genuinely had no idea. It was one of the most horrifying things I've ever seen and was deeply disturbing. My line of thinking is, if you know you're not in a position to raise a child and you don't have contraception, then you must abstain from having sex. I just don't think it's right that my taxes should be used to bail someone out because they couldn't keep their legs closed.

In cases of rape, incest or potential harm to the mother or baby then yes, abortion is perfectly acceptable.

Sounds like you hate women.


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[AT8]

Sounds like you hate women.


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Really?

[Kato]

Really?

Can men avoid getting women pregnant by keeping their legs closed?

[AT8]

Can men avoid getting women pregnant by keeping their legs closed?

What point are you trying to make? Obviously it takes two to tango, but ultimately, it it's the responsibility of the woman to abstain.

[Ozyhibby]

Feel like this thread is going back in time.


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[1875godsgift]

What point are you trying to make? Obviously it takes two to tango, but ultimately, it it's the responsibility of the woman to abstain.

:wtf:

[AT8]

:wtf:

What's so hard to understand? In an ideal world, both parties would agree that when there's no contraceptive available, then sex should be off the table, but as men are idiots when the blood starts to flow, then it's up to the woman to say no because the last time I checked, it's not men who are lining up for free abortions.

[Keyser Sauzee]

What's so hard to understand? In an ideal world, both parties would agree that when there's no contraceptive available, then sex should be off the table, but as men are idiots when the blood starts to flow, then it's up to the woman to say no because the last time I checked, it's not men who are lining up for free abortions.

What’s so hard to understand is that this attitude still exists, it is equally both parties responsibility to abstain if in their best interest.

[AT8]

What’s so hard to understand is that this attitude still exists, it is equally both parties responsibility to abstain if in their best interest.

And that what I said, but ultimately, if the guy is being a dick (no pun intended) about it, it's up to the woman to say no as she is the one that stands to lose the most if she falls pregnant.

[Hibrandenburg]

How extreme are your nightmares if they are worse than

- hundreds of thousands of people dying unnecessarily as a result of his Covid response
- the army being deployed on the streets across your nation
- the president being close acquaintances with one of the countries most prolific sex offenders
- your president overriding the judicial system to get his friends out of jail
- redirecting millions of dollars due to help small businesses to the companies of his wealthy friends and donors

Yep, the excuse of "I only support Trump because Hilary/Joe are horrible" is bull****. They're fooling nobody, at least have the balls to admit you support Trump's actions, because by supporting him you support his actions.

[Hibrandenburg]

And that what I said, but ultimately, if the guy is being a dick (no pun intended) about it, it's up to the woman to say no as she is the one that stands to lose the most if she falls pregnant.

What about the father's responsibility? Can he just ride off into the sunset or how do you plan to make him face up to the consequences of not being able to keep it in his pants?

[bigwheel]

What point are you trying to make? Obviously it takes two to tango, but ultimately, it it's the responsibility of the woman to abstain.

That women have the role and responsibility to stop unplanned pregnancies is a view from Victorian days ....comes from the same school as blaming poor people for being poor. Devoid of social context .


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[Pretty Boy]

There's certainly been some illuminating social commentary regarding where the responsibility for safe sex lies over the last few posts.

None of it really answered my question about what the alternative is though. Easy ccess to condoms and the contraceptive pill has existed for decades yet unplanned pregnancies still happen. Providing access to abortion in a safe environment with a range of options discussed is one option. Forcing abortion back underground is the other. Given abortion has existed for thousands of years I think it is naive in the extreme to believe removing funding will end the practice. So what is the realistic alternative?

Finally the idea of not providing abortion because a woman couldn't 'keep her legs shut' not only screams misogyny but also seems to take us down a very dangerous road. Do we refuse treatment for lung cancer to smokers? Should people who holiday in the sun be refused treatment for melanoma? Should overweight people be refused treatment if they have eaten in McDonald's? After all they could have 'kept the lighter in their pocket', 'kept their shirt on' and 'stuck to salads'.

[lapsedhibee]

I just don't think it's right that my taxes should be used to bail someone out because they couldn't keep their legs closed.


Take it you already know what a foundling is.

[SHODAN]

There's a quote from Veep that summarises the whole abortion debate perfectly for me: "If men could get pregnant you could get abortions from an ATM machine."

It isn't about morality or anything like that - when it comes down to it it's about controlling women.

[bigwheel]

There's a quote from Veep that summarises the whole abortion debate perfectly for me: "If men could get pregnant you could get abortions from an ATM machine."

It isn't about morality or anything like that - when it comes down to it it's about controlling women.

Great point ..there is no coincidence that birth control whilst available for men, has been normalised as the duty of women ..despite the health risks involved ...

[HibernianJK]

If the truth be told, I despise the "woke" liberal agenda that Democrats espouse, so for that reason, I have no choice but to support whoever is running against the Democrats.

lol @ thinking that Biden falls into the category. He’s Republican lite.

[neil7908]

There's a quote from Veep that summarises the whole abortion debate perfectly for me: "If men could get pregnant you could get abortions from an ATM machine."

It isn't about morality or anything like that - when it comes down to it it's about controlling women.

This 100%.

[matty_f]

What point are you trying to make? Obviously it takes two to tango, but ultimately, it it's the responsibility of the woman to abstain.

Honestly in all my years I’ve very rarely read a post that’s made me want to tell the poster to **** off.

[matty_f]

What's so hard to understand? In an ideal world, both parties would agree that when there's no contraceptive available, then sex should be off the table, but as men are idiots when the blood starts to flow, then it's up to the woman to say no because the last time I checked, it's not men who are lining up for free abortions.

You wait ages for a post that makes you want to say **** off then two come along at once.

[hibsbollah]

I once made the mistake of watching a video showing how abortions are carried out as I genuinely had no idea. It was one of the most horrifying things I've ever seen and was deeply disturbing. My line of thinking is, if you know you're not in a position to raise a child and you don't have contraception, then you must abstain from having sex. I just don't think it's right that my taxes should be used to bail someone out because they couldn't keep their legs closed.

In cases of rape, incest or potential harm to the mother or baby then yes, abortion is perfectly acceptable.

I think it’s really healthy that you are now ‘coming out’ with your extreme ideological views. It saves us all from thinking we’re debating with a normal rational person.

[weecounty hibby]

I am truly saddened by the last page or so on this thread. Hopefully America comes to its senses and individuals like this are in the minority.

[Smartie]

I am truly saddened by the last page or so on this thread. Hopefully America comes to its senses and individuals like this are in the minority.

The last couple of pages are going a long way towards explaining to me how America managed to get to where it is right now.

[Bristolhibby]

Fair play to NYC coming out and saying what he believes in.

It’s so right of arc for my own head to get around it’s difficult to debate.

Like was said, you can see why America is so divided. There’s no way of finding a middle ground with these views. It’s either “you are with us or against us”.

You give ground on abortion, guns are there. You address guns, and it’s Mexican immigrants. You discuss the wall, it’s the fear of Muslim terrorists. You talk about that and it’s White Lives Matter. After that it’s Gay rights, The erosion of Christian Values (whatever the fek they are), Anti-Vaxers, Anti Masks (COVID is a hoax), etc.

Genuinely Don’t know where to go. The whole package is impenetrable.

I presume there’s message boards where these views are common and I would be seen as mental.

Even in the Bath Rugby message board, the mix is there. Left, right, everyone in the middle.

J

[DaveF]

My daughter wants to do a 6 month education programme in the US but there is no ****ing way I'm sending her over. Sounds like she would be safer in Syria.

[Rocky]

Fair play to NYC coming out and saying what he believes in.

It’s so right of arc for my own head to get around it’s difficult to debate.

Like was said, you can see why America is so divided. There’s no way of finding a middle ground with these views. It’s either “you are with us or against us”.

You give ground on abortion, guns are there. You address guns, and it’s Mexican immigrants. You discuss the wall, it’s the fear of Muslim terrorists. You talk about that and it’s White Lives Matter. After that it’s Gay rights, The erosion of Christian Values (whatever the fek they are), Anti-Vaxers, Anti Masks (COVID is a hoax), etc.

Genuinely Don’t know where to go. The whole package is impenetrable.

I presume there’s message boards where these views are common and I would be seen as mental.

Even in the Bath Rugby message board, the mix is there. Left, right, everyone in the middle.

J
It's scary stuff to read but we're kidding ourselves if we don't think we're on a path to the same place in the UK. The only question is whether it's inevitable that we'll arrive at the same place or whether there's still a chance to change direction.

[Keith_M]

Things I'm against:-

Anarchy and lawlessness
Tax increases
Illegal immigration
Tax payer funded abortions
Trying to erase history
Tax payer funded handouts for those unwilling to work
Eliminating the 2nd amendment
The list goes on.....................................

Yes, I have conservative views so if that makes me the bad guy, then so be it.


A lot of those are quite vague, though (e.g. Anarchy and lawlessness), and aren't something that is being prevented by having Trump as President.

Things like Tax Increases have been stated by Republicans as some sort of 'line in the sand'. However, if you examine the standard of living in a lot of countries that use higher taxes to take care of people in their hour of need, I think I'd have to disagree.

There are literally millions of people in the US worrying about non-existent healthcare, unemployment payments, sick pay, maternity pay, etc. Wouldn't it be better to having a caring society that actually helps people when they desperately need that help?

The comment about people being 'unwilling to work' is something that I hear a lot. It's basically used as an excuse to write off people as unworthy simply because they can't find a job. I really hope you're never in that position.

Finally, I'll never be convinced that keeping a law that was written at a time when your country was still some kind of wild frontier is relevant today. Compare the number of firearms murders (per head of population) with your neighbour Canada and you'll see the effect of a desire to live in the past.

[CapitalGreen]

What point are you trying to make? Obviously it takes two to tango, but ultimately, it it's the responsibility of the woman to abstain.

Yikes

[Keith_M]

What point are you trying to make? Obviously it takes two to tango, but ultimately, it it's the responsibility of the woman to abstain.



Yikes


He's got a point.

If she really doesn't want a baby, she should keep her legs crossed.


:duck:










:greengrin

[bigwheel]

I am truly saddened by the last page or so on this thread. Hopefully America comes to its senses and individuals like this are in the minority.

I share your views ..fair play for NYC to share what he doesn’t support ..although I note it is stuff he /she doesn’t support, rather than things they stand for ..for me, it could easily be a Katie Hopkins hate speech though ..such lack of support and empathy for those in need.

[Bristolhibby]

It’s the American dream. Look after you and yours, work hard and you can be rich and President some day.

The biggest lie ever told.

J

[Future17]

And that what I said, but ultimately, if the guy is being a dick (no pun intended) about it, it's up to the woman to say no as she is the one that stands to lose the most if she falls pregnant.

In this context, it's arguably the child (unborn or otherwise) who has the most to lose.

I really struggle with coming to a view on abortion as I don't think there's anything close to a "right" answer, but I don't think I've ever read a view like yours which strikes me as being so wrong. If I've understood your points correctly, you're not opposed to abortion, you're just opposed to the taxpayer paying for it and, because "men are idiots", women should bear the cost based purely on biology. On the assumption that you're a male taxpayer, I can't imagine a more blatant example of short-sighted self-interest.

[Future17]

Back on the main topic, I see Trump has said he wishes Ghislaine Maxwell well...she's accused of trafficking underage girls for sex and the President of the USA wishes her well. :confused:

[RyeSloan]

Back on the main topic, I see Trump has said he wishes Ghislaine Maxwell well...she's accused of trafficking underage girls for sex and the President of the USA wishes her well. :confused:

Hmm I saw that and thought at the time it was a rather curious turn of phrase.

But then you can probably think that about anything the man says....

[CropleyWasGod]

Back on the main topic, I see Trump has said he wishes Ghislaine Maxwell well...she's accused of trafficking underage girls for sex and the President of the USA wishes her well. :confused:

It's a punctuation thing.

"I wish her, well......"

[Moulin Yarns]

I dont think they would be grabbing random people for no reason. Its more likely intelligence lead apprehensions. They will have trawlled through hours and hours of footage and photos and used under cover officers. ....sadly i don't think we will get the full truth

If it can happen in the UK it most certainly can happen in the USA.


https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/father-son-police-charity-bike-ride-london-tottenham-canal-a9590176.html?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&amp&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15954305566368&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnew s%2***%2Fhome-news%2Ffather-son-police-charity-bike-ride-london-tottenham-canal-a9590176.html

[EAZY-ME]

If it can happen in the UK it most certainly can happen in the USA.


https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/father-son-police-charity-bike-ride-london-tottenham-canal-a9590176.html?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&amp&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15954305566368&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnew s%2***%2Fhome-news%2Ffather-son-police-charity-bike-ride-london-tottenham-canal-a9590176.html


It also says that they were released at the scene once it was established they weren't part of the investigation. Sorry but if they had a description of a black male attacker then it makes sense they stop and search black males ..... its the police i feel sorry for they're dammed if they do and dammed if they don't

[CropleyWasGod]

It also says that they were released at the scene once it was established they weren't part of the investigation. Sorry but if they had a description of a black male attacker then it makes sense they stop and search black males ..... its the police i feel sorry for they're dammed if they do and dammed if they don't

If the alleged attacker was white, would that justify them stopping any white men?

[AT8]

If the alleged attacker was white, would that justify them stopping any white men?

If the incident occurred in a predominantly black nation, then yes.

[Sylar]

My daughter wants to do a 6 month education programme in the US but there is no ****ing way I'm sending her over. Sounds like she would be safer in Syria.

As a lecturer at a pretty prestigious US institution, I'd support your stance right now to be honest. Campus culture is primarily fine - ignorant attitudes like those on display in this thread are in the minority. A lot of the kids on most US college campuses are bloody smart, and even where you DO have Republican/conservative supporting students/groups, their views are a lot more progressive than some of the prehistoric ideals that define the Republican base.

Having said that, venturing into the wider communities is a total pot-luck, depending on where the institution is based. There are plenty of great cultural experiences available by spending some time in the USA, but you need to do a lot of research. Right now, until the Covid-19 situation is under control, I'd advise any of my students against heading Stateside because their medical system is absolutely horrific.

[EAZY-ME]

If the alleged attacker was white, would that justify them stopping any white men?

Of course it would......why wouldnt it?

For what its worth ..down south a lot of stabbings and shootings are carried out by people using mountain bikes to get away easier and blend into the crowds which makes the stop and search in the article more relevant

[bawheid]

what point are you trying to make? Obviously it takes two to tango, but ultimately, it it's the responsibility of the woman to abstain.

omg_hfc_nyc

[AT8]

omg_hfc_nyc

I wasn't trying to say something controversial on purpose, I was trying (however badly) to advocate for personal responsibility.

[Moulin Yarns]

It also says that they were released at the scene once it was established they weren't part of the investigation. Sorry but if they had a description of a black male attacker then it makes sense they stop and search black males ..... its the police i feel sorry for they're dammed if they do and dammed if they don't

The police admit to using excessive force. The father and son were attacked and knocked off their bikes by the police before any attempts to question them. Is this acceptable to you?

[grunt]

I wasn't trying to say something controversial on purpose, I was trying (however badly) to advocate for personal responsibility.

But only on the part of the woman?

[CropleyWasGod]

If the incident occurred in a predominantly black nation, then yes.

1. It didn't

2. Why?

[CropleyWasGod]

Of course it would......why wouldnt it?

For what its worth ..down south a lot of stabbings and shootings are carried out by people using mountain bikes to get away easier and blend into the crowds which makes the stop and search in the article more relevant

Any white man?

You get the point I'm making, I'm sure.

[AT8]

But only on the part of the woman?

NO. Everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions.

[AT8]

1. It didn't

2. Why?

I was answering the question about if the suspect was white, would it be ok to stop every white person and I changed the roles to say that if in a predominantly black nation, a white suspect was on the loose then it would make sense to question all white people.

[CropleyWasGod]

I was answering the question about if the suspect was white, would it be ok to stop every white person and I changed the roles to say that if in a predominantly black nation, a white suspect was on the loose then it would make sense to question all white people.

All white people? Why? On the basis that all white people look the same?

And would it be justifiable to be violent towards them without talking to them first?

[AT8]

All white people? Why? On the basis that all white people look the same?

And would it be justifiable to be violent towards them without talking to them first?

If the only description of the suspect was a "white male", then in a country that is predominantly black, then yes, you would start the investigation by questioning any white people you come across. It is NEVER justifiable to be violent towards a suspect without questioning them first.

[Hibrandenburg]

Back on the main topic, I see Trump has said he wishes Ghislaine Maxwell well...she's accused of trafficking underage girls for sex and the President of the USA wishes her well. :confused:

Might just be his cover story for when she's found dead in her cell.

[EAZY-ME]

Any white man?

You get the point I'm making, I'm sure.

No i don't... please explain

[CapitalGreen]

If the incident occurred in a predominantly black nation, then yes.

yikes

[AT8]

yikes

I really wish you would expand on this.

[neil7908]

This guy. Sometimes I think its just best to laugh at him:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/23/person-woman-man-camera-tv-trump-insists-cognition-test-was-difficult

[lapsedhibee]

This guy. Sometimes I think its just best to laugh at him:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/23/person-woman-man-camera-tv-trump-insists-cognition-test-was-difficult

Is that going to be his main campaign pitch, then, "I'm not cognitively impaired, really I'm not"? :crazy:

[Mr Grieves]

This guy. Sometimes I think its just best to laugh at him:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/23/person-woman-man-camera-tv-trump-insists-cognition-test-was-difficult

:hilarious beautiful.

[neil7908]

Is that going to be his main campaign pitch, then, "I'm not cognitively impaired, really I'm not"? :crazy:

He's already got the campaign pitch - "Vote for very stable genius and bleach drinker" .

[Keith_M]

It also says that they were released at the scene once it was established they weren't part of the investigation. Sorry but if they had a description of a black male attacker then it makes sense they stop and search black males ..... its the police i feel sorry for they're dammed if they do and dammed if they don't


' "Some of the officers did not appear to be wearing full uniform, Mr Boateng said, adding that they had been 'angry and aggressive'.

"My young son panicked as [he has] never seen a police officer of this sort in this capacity, and ended up being chased with a Taser weapon"

Huugo Boateng told the paper that during the arrest “this man came out of nowhere. He was crazy angry and shouting”. He added: “I got scared because I thought he might be mugging me or trying to give me corona so I ran, but there was nowhere to go but in the bushes.” '



Policeman aggressively chases an innocent thirteen year old with a Taser? Sorry, but I can't see any justification for the way they behaved.

[JimBHibees]

Back on the main topic, I see Trump has said he wishes Ghislaine Maxwell well...she's accused of trafficking underage girls for sex and the President of the USA wishes her well. :confused:

Probably a coded threat

[EAZY-ME]

Policeman aggressively chases an innocent thirteen year old with a Taser? Sorry, but I can't see any justification for the way they behaved.[/QUOTE]

Some kids look like adults

[EAZY-ME]

found a video on YouTube but i cant post link..

15 shot at Chicago funeral trump to send federal officers

[Callum_62]

Policeman aggressively chases an innocent thirteen year old with a Taser? Sorry, but I can't see any justification for the way they behaved.

Some kids look like adults[/QUOTE][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Right.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Policeman aggressively chases an innocent thirteen year old with a Taser? Sorry, but I can't see any justification for the way they behaved.

Some black kids look like criminals

That's what you meant to say, isn't it?

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/nick_ramsey/status/1286101449940897800?s=21

I think I’ve got Trump all wrong. It’s clear he is indeed a very stable genius. [emoji106]


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[Kato]

https://twitter.com/nick_ramsey/status/1286101449940897800?s=21

I think I’ve got Trump all wrong. It’s clear he is indeed a very stable genius. [emoji106]


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Person, woman, twat, camera, TV.

[EAZY-ME]

That's what you meant to say, isn't it?

No i said kids can look older than their years.

In future can you please refrain from doctoring my posts to make it look like i said something i never please.

[hibeedc]

This guy. Sometimes I think its just best to laugh at him:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/23/person-woman-man-camera-tv-trump-insists-cognition-test-was-difficult

Where is the joke here.

Don't know the context of the whole interview but he is making a valid point. The test he is talking about is actually pretty impressive mental agility. Repeat 5 words in order, no big deal. Then repeat them in order again 20 minutes later when you are not expecting to, pretty sure many people would fail. It's a fair question to ask if Joe Biden would be up to the task given the questions about him at the moment

Or am I missing the joke ?

[weecounty hibby]

Where is the joke here.

Don't know the context of the whole interview but he is making a valid point. The test he is talking about is actually pretty impressive mental agility. Repeat 5 words in order, no big deal. Then repeat them in order again 20 minutes later when you are not expecting to, pretty sure many people would fail. It's a fair question to ask if Joe Biden would be up to the task given the questions about him at the moment

Or am I missing the joke ?
Come on. It is the type of question that you ask kids in school. Give them pictures of 5 objects, ask them to memorise them ask them to repeat them then ask them again a while later. It is absolutely not the mark if a genius to get it right. Person, woman, man, camera, TV. There you go and I saw the clip once more than 24 hours ago. Trump is a buffoon and the fact anyone thinks him doing that is impressive is a bit worrying

[Rocky]

Where is the joke here.

Don't know the context of the whole interview but he is making a valid point. The test he is talking about is actually pretty impressive mental agility. Repeat 5 words in order, no big deal. Then repeat them in order again 20 minutes later when you are not expecting to, pretty sure many people would fail. It's a fair question to ask if Joe Biden would be up to the task given the questions about him at the moment

Or am I missing the joke ?
The test is supposed to take ten minutes so it's interesting in itself that he claims he was still repeating those words back 20/25/30 minutes later.

[grunt]

Where is the joke here.

Don't know the context of the whole interview but he is making a valid point. The test he is talking about is actually pretty impressive mental agility. Repeat 5 words in order, no big deal. Then repeat them in order again 20 minutes later when you are not expecting to, pretty sure many people would fail. It's a fair question to ask if Joe Biden would be up to the task given the questions about him at the moment

Or am I missing the joke ?This is what we're up against.

[hibeedc]

Come on. It is the type of question that you ask kids in school. Give them pictures of 5 objects, ask them to memorise them ask them to repeat them then ask them again a while later. It is absolutely not the mark if a genius to get it right. Person, woman, man, camera, TV. There you go and I saw the clip once more than 24 hours ago. Trump is a buffoon and the fact anyone thinks him doing that is impressive is a bit worrying
Fair enough but that is not what happened. Five words were read out to him once and he was asked to repeat them in order. There is no memorise these words because we are going to test your memory later. Also it is one question in a series of questions, more info from the test in your head.You had the benefit of hearing the sequence of words a number of times in that short clip.

[weecounty hibby]

Fair enough but that is not what happened. Five words were read out to him once and he was asked to repeat them in order. There is no memorise these words because we are going to test your memory later. Also it is one question in a series of questions, more info from the test in your head.You had the benefit of hearing the sequence of words a number of times in that short clip.
Yeah, you've got me there. He is in fact a stable genius who wants people to inject disinfectant to cure Corona. It is a very easy test that kids at school would manage but the guy who leads the biggest economy in the world is boasting about it. There is no hope for some if they think that is impressive. We also, as far as I know, only have his word for it that he is in fact the cleverest man in the world or has it been published or a recording released if him doing this test?

[hibeedc]

This is what we're up against.
Don't think I have been offensive/rude to anyone here up till this point, but I'll ignore your cheap jibe.

[Moulin Yarns]

Policeman aggressively chases an innocent thirteen year old with a Taser? Sorry, but I can't see any justification for the way they behaved.

Some kids look like adults[/QUOTE]


The age of the boy, and his father has nothing to do with the actions of the police, the colour of their skin was the only reason for their actions.



The 13-year-old told the Observer: “I’d turned around to see if my dad had caught up behind me, and suddenly this man came out of nowhere. He was crazy angry and shouting. I got scared because I thought he might be mugging me or trying to give me corona so I ran, but there was nowhere to go but in the bushes.”
While he was down on the ground, the teenager says the officer pointed a Taser at him and threatened to shoot. The officer then arrested Huugo and put him in handcuffs. Further down the towpath, his father, Andrew, 43, was told to get on his knees and put his hands behind his back. Andrew was also handcuffed. The two were detained, suspected to have been involved in a stabbing in the area.


Andrew said: “If this was a normal stop and search, I could respect that. But it is obvious why we were treated the way we were. The police came in at high-octane aggression level 10. We were on a family bike ride, and my son was essentially assaulted by a police officer. We were threatened with Tasers even though we weren’t resisting, and then just put in handcuffs.”
The incident, which occurred around 6.30pm on Thursday 4 June, drew between six and eight police officers to the scene. The officers said they were responding to a stabbing in a nearby park, and that the father and son matched the description of the assailants. One officer, when questioned by Paton on camera, said: “The victim at this point was very unwilling to give us descriptions. The only thing he has given us is IC3 [police code for a black person] males on a bike … That’s very vague, isn’t it?”



https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/28/black-teenager-on-family-cycle-ride-injured-during-aggressive-police-arrest

[grunt]

Don't think I have been offensive/rude to anyone here up till this point, but I'll ignore your cheap jibe.Well I'm sorry but if you really honestly believe that Trump's ability to remember 5 words in a row is a sign that he is therefore competent to lead the world's biggest democracy, then I don't think I can help you. He has shown in thousands (I thought before writing that, but yes thousands) of other ways that he is uniquely unsuited to the role. The fact that you and - I guess many other Trump supporters - don't recognise this is a sign that something significant is badly damaged in the US. The man is an incompetent fool, and everyone else in the world can see it.

And I do apologise for what you think is a cheap jibe, but I meant that the fact you see no wrong is a big part of the problem.

[Rocky]

Fair enough but that is not what happened. Five words were read out to him once and he was asked to repeat them in order. There is no memorise these words because we are going to test your memory later. Also it is one question in a series of questions, more info from the test in your head.You had the benefit of hearing the sequence of words a number of times in that short clip.
Here's the test in case you're interested. Repeating the words the first time isn't even part of the test, it's just setting up the recall section for five minutes later. Based on Trump's version of the story it took him over 20 minutes to do the Attention / Language / Recall sections of the test. That's quite something considering they look like they should take 3 or 4 minutes tops.

https://www.mocatest.org/pdf_files/test/MoCA-Test-English_7_1.pdf

[Keith_M]

Policeman aggressively chases an innocent thirteen year old with a Taser? Sorry, but I can't see any justification for the way they behaved.

Some kids look like adults


Okaaaaaay, maybe you should watch this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8sgtx2GPmQ) and see what this terribly scary thirteen year old boy looked like.

Please listen as well to how the 'child' was affected by all this, in his own words.

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Also, they were suspected of being involved purely because they were black and male. What are the chances of seeing black males in Tottenham? Well, maybe you should check out the ethnic breakdown of the district...



22.3% White British
27.7% Other White
26.7% Black
10.7% Asian
12.6% Other/Mixed

[DaveF]

Here's the test in case you're interested. Repeating the words the first time isn't even part of the test, it's just setting up the recall section for five minutes later. Based on Trump's version of the story it took him over 20 minutes to do the Attention / Language / Recall sections of the test. That's quite something considering they look like they should take 3 or 4 minutes tops.

https://www.mocatest.org/pdf_files/test/MoCA-Test-English_7_1.pdf

But surely because Trump can remember those words after 20 mins proves beyond doubt he is the smartest man on the planet? Or something like that...

[hibeedc]

Here's the test in case you're interested. Repeating the words the first time isn't even part of the test, it's just setting up the recall section for five minutes later. Based on Trump's version of the story it took him over 20 minutes to do the Attention / Language / Recall sections of the test. That's quite something considering they look like they should take 3 or 4 minutes tops.

https://www.mocatest.org/pdf_files/test/MoCA-Test-English_7_1.pdf
How do you know this was the test ?

[Keith_M]

How do you know this was the test ?


Because Trump himself said so..

[hibeedc]

But surely because Trump can remember those words after 20 mins proves beyond doubt he is the smartest man on the planet? Or something like that...
Think the point of the whole thing was to raise questions about Biden.