The future of the Labour Party

[Stairway 2 7]

Stopped reading at "SNP fans".

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Good son I was wondering how much you'd read like.

I think some supporters treat the SNP like a football team in a fanatical way. I've went from SNP, Scottish socialist to SNP who I'll vote in November or whenever. I feel though it's bizarre how some people treat their party defending at all costs. This isn't one of those incidents as I feel SNP are right to be angry that they were patched

[cabbageandribs1875]

Rachel Reeves can't give a proper answer to this poor woman https://www.facebook.com/reel/311880468535898

[McD]

Labour has SEVENTEEN Opposition Days each Parl Session, when they can bring ANY Motion forward.
NOT ONCE did they bring a Gaza Ceasefire Motion.
SNP have THREE Opp Days and they brought TWO Gaza Ceasefire Motions.
Labour ABSTAINED on the first and BLOCKED the second!



Genuine question, to anyone really:


Are the number of opposition days determined by the size of the numbers of MPs for a given party, or is it a fixed number and simply goes by opposition, next largest, next again largest, and so on? Or something else entirely?

[Andy Bee]

Genuine question, to anyone really:


Are the number of opposition days determined by the size of the numbers of MPs for a given party, or is it a fixed number and simply goes by opposition, next largest, next again largest, and so on? Or something else entirely?


20 days in total, Labour get 17

[MKHIBEE]

The answer is no. They got a meaningless shout out for a Ceasefire. No idea what anyone expected. I'm wondering what the UN are doing, is there anything possible like going into Palestine for a time as a peacekeeping force to enforce a Ceasefire??
Not without Israeli permission

[Andy Bee]

No idea if this is legitimate or not but https://twitter.com/UK_PoliticsInfo/status/1760623883500343500

[Moulin Yarns]

Not without Israeli permission

But this is not Israel, this is Palestine and Israel are the aggressors.


Edit, UN has been in Jerusalem since 1948.

https://peacekeeping.un.org/en/mission/untso

[Ozyhibby]

No idea if this is legitimate or not but https://twitter.com/UK_PoliticsInfo/status/1760623883500343500

I doubt that is legit.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Am I right that the bit in the SNP motion which caused labour so much grief that they rewrote their own ammendment was the phrase "collective punishment '?

Here is what the UN say

Avoid ‘collective punishment’
Since Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad launched an attack including thousands of indiscriminate rockets that have reached central Israel, the UN warned against indiscriminate or disproportionate action against Gaza and expressed concern over the “full siege” of the territory ordered by the Israeli authorities, shutting off electricity, water, food and fuel supplies.

[lapsedhibee]

No idea if this is legitimate or not but https://twitter.com/UK_PoliticsInfo/status/1760623883500343500

Don't think Starmer would be mis-spelling Yousaf's name.

[CropleyWasGod]

Did they want one?

What day of the week is it?

[Kato]

Good son I was wondering how much you'd read like.

I think some supporters treat the SNP like a football team in a fanatical way. I've went from SNP, Scottish socialist to SNP who I'll vote in November or whenever. I feel though it's bizarre how some people treat their party defending at all costs. This isn't one of those incidents as I feel SNP are right to be angry that they were patchedPut in ignore.

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[MKHIBEE]

But this is not Israel, this is Palestine and Israel are the aggressors.


Edit, UN has been in Jerusalem since 1948.

https://peacekeeping.un.org/en/mission/untso

So you have answered your own question then?

[Moulin Yarns]

So you have answered your own question then?

Not really.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/toryfibs/status/1760628456121852338?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[cabbageandribs1875]

the RMT have said they will support Jeremy Corbyn should he run as an independent at next GE, along with other Labour socialist candidates

so that leaves Starmer/Streeting oot :greengrin



then again the RMT also voted for Brexit

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.sky.com/story/speaker-sir-lindsay-hoyle-retracts-offer-to-snp-for-emergency-ceasefire-debate-13081621?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

Labour’s speaker is a real man of honour.


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[grunt]

Labour Council Leaders in Scotland asking the Tory Government to bypass the Scottish Government and provide funds directly to Councils ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHftgIUWAAAW-aN?format=png&name=small

[Ozyhibby]

Galloway wins in Rochdale.[emoji35]


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[Pretty Boy]

Galloway wins in Rochdale.[emoji35]


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Say what you like about George he's not a man afraid to shift his principles to suit a situation. Last time I saw him he was dressed in tweed and a flat cap sucking up to Scottish farmers and extolling the virtues of the British empire.

Last night it was fedora wearing, anti imperialism, anti apartheid socialist George who was back on show.

[Hibrandenburg]

Say what you like about George he's not a man afraid to shift his principles to suit a situation. Last time I saw him he was dressed in tweed and a flat cap sucking up to Scottish farmers and extolling the virtues of the British empire.

Last night it was fedora wearing, anti imperialism, anti apartheid socialist George who was back on show.

Just another self-centered populist politician in a country full of self-centered populist politicians.

[Bostonhibby]

Say what you like about George he's not a man afraid to shift his principles to suit a situation. Last time I saw him he was dressed in tweed and a flat cap sucking up to Scottish farmers and extolling the virtues of the British empire.

Last night it was fedora wearing, anti imperialism, anti apartheid socialist George who was back on show.I keep expecting him to appear as a dog so as not to become unpopular with the canine part of society after his time identifying as a cat. Or was that all about the money?

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[Stairway 2 7]

It's bizarre he's on an opportunistic Palestinian ticket. When Assad bombed and starved the Palestinians at Yarmouk he made excuses and cover ups. In fact all he did was cover up and defend Putin and Assad when their genocide caused the deaths of half a million Syrians. He must be a bit of a security risk thanks from his Russian government wages from RT, wonder if he's still denying the Bucha massacre happened now that it's clear it did.

Idiot! Tweets like these show what happens when you pay someone to act like an idiot

George Galloway MP
@georgegalloway
Y’all said #Russia was about to invade #Ukraine. I told you it wasn’t. You were wrong. I was right. Again. Show some bloody humility. Especially if they’re not even paying you to act like an idiot.
5:54 PM · Feb 14, 2022

[Kato]

He's an "agent of the Russian State" these days, no?

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[Hiber-nation]

My Scouse mate says that England has the stupidest voters in Europe.

[marinello59]

I keep expecting him to appear as a dog so as not to become unpopular with the canine part of society after his time identifying as a cat. Or was that all about the money?

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It’s all about George Galloway.

[Bostonhibby]

It’s all about George Galloway.Gorgeous

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[Kato]

My Scouse mate says that England has the stupidest voters in Europe.We have the most brutalising press and very narrow conversations as to what politics even are.

Everywhere Rupert Murdoch goes politics are reduced to cultural divisons, misogyny and toe curlingly degrading deference to those with a greedy attitude to money.

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[marinello59]

Gorgeous

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Dangerous

[Bostonhibby]

DangerousI'll raise you obnoxious

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[marinello59]

I'll raise you obnoxious

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And I’ll raise you - excrementitious.

[Bostonhibby]

And I’ll raise you - excrementitious.Okay, I'll see you. Self aggrandisement.

Seems to fit this wee man who makes me ashamed to come from the same country as him.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Taken from twitter

George Galloway once asked the late Donald Dewar why it was that folk seemed to take an instant dislike to him. Dewar replied, "It saves time, George."

[Stairway 2 7]

27742

[Bostonhibby]

27742So he is telling his new workers party supporting constituents that he is supporting the Tories and doesn't even live in their constituency. He's back on the gravy train though.Mugs

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[J-C]

So he is telling his new workers party supporting constituents that he is supporting the Tories and doesn't even live in their constituency. He's back on the gravy train though.Mugs

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Think this was from the last election up here when he appeared out of the shadows to have a go at the SNP, horrible wee scroat of a man.

[Bostonhibby]

Think this was from the last election up here when he appeared out of the shadows to have a go at the SNP, horrible wee scroat of a man.[emoji106]

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[neil7908]

Labour covering themselves in glory again:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/diane-abbot-frank-hester-racism-labour-b2512532.html

Some complaint process that it's taking 11 months+ to reach a decision on what to do with Abbot. But no qualms about asking for money from the public off this story.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/30/starmer-faces-discontent-as-labour-mps-criticise-election-flyers-union-jacks?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1711779271


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[Just Alf]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/30/starmer-faces-discontent-as-labour-mps-criticise-election-flyers-union-jacks?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1711779271


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThis is a weird one... if I get an election leaflet with union Jack branding my 1st thought is its either Conservative (or back in the day BNP).
The Conservatives were getting a hard time a while back for putting out red leaflets that on immediate inspection looked like labour leaflet (the party name wasn't even prominent)

[JimBHibees]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/30/starmer-faces-discontent-as-labour-mps-criticise-election-flyers-union-jacks?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1711779271


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A leaked strategy document seen by the Guardian in 2021 advised Labour to make “use of the [union] flag, veterans [and] dressing smartly” as part of a rebranding.

:greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

Most political parties in the world including the snp use their national flag in their media. Its horrible that huns and bigots were able to steal it. There was a period in the mid 90s when Noel Gallagher and Cool Britainia ect took it back for a bit but the tories took it back a bit to the right unfortunately

[DaveF]

Most political parties in the world including the snp use their national flag in their media. Its horrible that huns and bigots were able to steal it. There was a period in the mid 90s when Noel Gallagher and Cool Britainia ect took it back for a bit but the tories took it back a bit to the right unfortunately

Why did you feel the need to single out the snp when you already said most political parties do it? It's a labour thread but somehow you felt you had to specifically highlight that.

[Stairway 2 7]

Why did you feel the need to single out the snp when you already said most political parties do it? It's a labour thread but somehow you felt you had to specifically highlight that.

Because I vote for them and they are in power in the country I live. They use the saltire constantly all the marches are full of them Labour do quite a bit and the tories do loads. I'm not that bothered about it but flag ****gers of all kinds are a bit weird

[DaveF]

It's been their slogan / signage since I was a boy in the days when people strung posters to lamp posts, so additional assertion that the SNP do it, isn't really needed. But, whatever...

[Ozyhibby]

Because I vote for them and they are in power in the country I live. They use the saltire constantly all the marches are full of them Labour do quite a bit and the tories do loads. I'm not that bothered about it but flag ****gers of all kinds are a bit weird

SNP don’t really do many marches.


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[Jack]

A leaked strategy document seen by the Guardian in 2021 advised Labour to make “use of the [union] flag, veterans [and] dressing smartly” as part of a rebranding.

:greengrin

An acquaintance of mine stood for Labour in the last GE. He had to buy his first ever suit! He looked so uncomfortable in it 😆

[Moulin Yarns]

Because I vote for them and they are in power in the country I live. They use the saltire constantly all the marches are full of them Labour do quite a bit and the tories do loads. I'm not that bothered about it but flag ****gers of all kinds are a bit weird

The marches are not the SNP though, so you can't suggest that they are solely the property of the SNP.

[Stairway 2 7]

The marches are not the SNP though, so you can't suggest that they are solely the property of the SNP.

They support them and the first minister speaks at them and they share pictures on their official social media. It's up to the individuals who go thou of course. I don't mind it in every country in the world people wave the national flag, why wouldn't they. As I say its just a shame **** bags have tried to claim the union jack as theirs

[Kato]

There was a period in the mid 90s when Noel Gallagher and Cool Britainia ect took it back for a bit but the tories took it back a bit to the right unfortunately

Took it back? Cool Britainia, the most pro-establishment music movement ever.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Took it back? Cool Britainia, the most pro-establishment music movement ever.

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Who was talking about establishment. I was talking about the far right. Blair was a centre right war enabler but he wasn't the far right. Music snobs were gutted but a huge number of the working class adored oasis in the 90s and Noels UJ guitar or spice girls waving them, were symbols that people could wave it and it wasn't the national fronts

[Pretty Boy]

I hate when any group claims a flag as their own. Be it the repugnant far right at one end or that clown at Hampden in midweek with the yes flag pretending to bless himself and getting called a legend by the very people who would decry NI fans for flag ****ging and low level bigotry.

I don't really see what Labour hope to gain by wrapping themselves in a union flag, it seems the same half baked thinking that made them believe swapping a rose for a thistle was a massive vote winner in Scotland. The people who have claimed it as 'their flag' won't vote Labour anyway and most others just don't really care.

[cabbageandribs1875]

oh my jings what a shock, well i never

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Twenty councillors and their leader have resigned from the Labour party (https://www.itv.com/news/topic/labour) after accusing its national leadership of bullying.

Pendle Borough Council leader and 20 councillors resign from Labour party over 'bullying' claims | ITV News Granada (https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2024-04-01/councillors-resign-from-labour-party-over-bullying-claims)

[Ozyhibby]

Twenty councillors and their leader have resigned from the Labour party (https://www.itv.com/news/topic/labour) after accusing its national leadership of bullying.

Pendle Borough Council leader and 20 councillors resign from Labour party over 'bullying' claims | ITV News Granada (https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2024-04-01/councillors-resign-from-labour-party-over-bullying-claims)

Any dissent to Starmer’s position in supporting Isreal will not be tolerated.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/1777325816583524412?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


Looking forward to our private health system.[emoji849]


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[MKHIBEE]

https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/1777325816583524412?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


Looking forward to our private health system.[emoji849]


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until they get elected, then it will become unaffordable. Or something.

[Ozyhibby]

until they get elected, then it will become unaffordable. Or something.

To be fair to Streeting, he has never hid his intention to privatise health supply. They will definitely do this because it will look like short term savings.


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[Stairway 2 7]

To be fair to Streeting, he has never hid his intention to privatise health supply. They will definitely do this because it will look like short term savings.


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I might be wrong but didn't you want a more European system ie Ireland where you pay for services like the doctors or France or Germany where its insurance based. They countries all seem to have better outcomes than us for every level of population.

[Ozyhibby]

I might be wrong but didn't you want a more European system ie Ireland where you pay for services like the doctors or France or Germany where its insurance based. They countries all seem to have better outcomes than us for every level of population.

I’m not totally against but that’s not what he’s proposing. He is just using the private sector as subcontractors. It will be the same staff but working for private companies.


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[Stairway 2 7]

I’m not totally against but that’s not what he’s proposing. He is just using the private sector as subcontractors. It will be the same staff but working for private companies.


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Yeah I agree this isn't privatisation it's the usual stuff of giving doctors and private companies massive profits because our backlog, it's not much of a change to what's happening now. Health is devolved so won't effect us.

I'm not sure the answer but we're paying a huge some as a nation on health but getting terrible outcomes. I don't think any party would want to touch systematic change in the UK it's too sacred even if its performs poorly in comparison to other European nations

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24243909.scottish-labour-candidate-shared-racist-tweets-deletes-account/

Labour fielding racist candidates in Scotland.

https://x.com/conor_matchett/status/1778037209804706167?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

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[MKHIBEE]

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24243909.scottish-labour-candidate-shared-racist-tweets-deletes-account/

Labour fielding racist candidates in Scotland.

https://x.com/conor_matchett/status/1778037209804706167?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

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As long as she doesn’t criticise Israel she will be allowed to stand

[Stairway 2 7]

****, she'll get booted

[Pretty Boy]

I’m not totally against but that’s not what he’s proposing. He is just using the private sector as subcontractors. It will be the same staff but working for private companies.


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It's already happening and has been for years. I had a day surgery pre COVID and that was carried out in an NHS building at Lauriston, free of charge to me by a private company who had flown doctors and nurses up from London for the clinic.

It's mad and the same principle that sees private train companies handed subsidies that dwarf any budget British Rail ever had. Public money handed to private companies to pay dividends and create an illusion of solving a problem.

I'm not saying I wasn't happy to have a minor but important surgery performed quickly but the principle of it still bothers me.

[Jack]

It's already happening and has been for years. I had a day surgery pre COVID and that was carried out in an NHS building at Lauriston, free of charge to me by a private company who had flown doctors and nurses up from London for the clinic.

It's mad and the same principle that sees private train companies handed subsidies that dwarf any budget British Rail ever had. Public money handed to private companies to pay dividends and create an illusion of solving a problem.

I'm not saying I wasn't happy to have a minor but important surgery performed quickly but the principle of it still bothers me.

Even though I fervently believe in the NHS I do see a role for the private sector to clear backlogs.

NHS Scotland use the Golden Jubilee, a national asset, to clear all sorts of stuff from minor to major. Not everyone can get to Clydebank though!

Local boards do use private companies and use agency staff to clear local backlogs.

In my opinion this is good use of assets and money.

Where it becomes wrong is where the use of the private sector becomes standard practice.

[Ozyhibby]

Even though I fervently believe in the NHS I do see a role for the private sector to clear backlogs.

NHS Scotland use the Golden Jubilee, a national asset, to clear all sorts of stuff from minor to major. Not everyone can get to Clydebank though!

Local boards do use private companies and use agency staff to clear local backlogs.

In my opinion this is good use of assets and money.

Where it becomes wrong is where the use of the private sector becomes standard practice.

It’s the same staff doing both. Without NHS work the private sector would not exist.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

this man with many many names accuses Rayner of Dishonesty, well at least ALL of his many many names has a great sense of humour

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GK9mEb7WMAA53sJ?format=jpg&name=medium

[grunt]

What is Labour's thinking on the EU? Here's their immediate response to the EU offer to open discussions about youth mobility:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLe0aeMXMAAfKzW?format=jpg&name=large

[Stairway 2 7]

What is Labour's thinking on the EU? Here's their immediate response to the EU offer to open discussions about youth mobility:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLe0aeMXMAAfKzW?format=jpg&name=large

Absolutely disgusting from the pair of them. An easy out into tuning down this disaster. Labour would get the win with our without brexit in the next election, disgusting

[Hibrandenburg]

What is Labour's thinking on the EU? Here's their immediate response to the EU offer to open discussions about youth mobility:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLe0aeMXMAAfKzW?format=jpg&name=large

The Tories have been trying to reach bilateral agreements with a couple of EU countries regarding the free movement of young people to work and study. The EU have told them to bolt saying either all EU countries or none. We're 8 years down the line since the Brexit vote and these ****witts still don't get it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68848046?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2gkPZRMZNwdlXT sv4K92omTt2sduT22eI81XjAhKD1gX-nBWfeS-6hmT8_aem_AcnpUuAQJznvD6TYbkiRLdxIgeyCUF9Zj5yQmL5q VNKfE0EfY8IynVW_HURlgzOCx7Bt05FX7AghmqSs81k2yW34

[cabbageandribs1875]

lol
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7SEyGUWMAEr4xJ?format=jpg&name=large

[MKHIBEE]

lol
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7SEyGUWMAEr4xJ?format=jpg&name=large

Its going to be months of the parties highlighting the faults of the others whilst completely omitting to mention what they are going to do about it, which is basically **** all

[grunt]

So Labour are thinking about possibly retaining the Rwanda scheme.
Really, what's the difference between Tories and Labour?
Is it just the degree of corruption?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMbVdvOXMAAXGLJ?format=png&name=small

[cabbageandribs1875]

yes it certainly does speak volumes, hopefully more each day realise Starmer/Streeting/Reeves are Tories :agree: the new Tories on the block

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[grunt]

Happy to report that Starmer's spokesman has refuted this claim.


So Labour are thinking about possibly retaining the Rwanda scheme.
Really, what's the difference between Tories and Labour?
Is it just the degree of corruption?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMbVdvOXMAAXGLJ?format=png&name=small

[MKHIBEE]

So Labour are thinking about possibly retaining the Rwanda scheme.
Really, what's the difference between Tories and Labour?
Is it just the degree of corruption?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMbVdvOXMAAXGLJ?format=png&name=small

You could always put in a scheme that allows asylum seekers legal access and speedy consideration of their claims rather than spending 100s of millions on a scheme that simply isn’t going to work.

[Ozyhibby]

I see Labour abstained today on compensation for waspi women in the Scottish Parliament. Classy.


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[JimBHibees]

I see Labour abstained today on compensation for waspi women in the Scottish Parliament. Classy.


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What's that about?

[Moulin Yarns]

What's that about?

Waspi women and loss of state pension. My wife lost 6 years of pension because of the UK government change to the pension age for women.

[Stairway 2 7]

Should have been more notice but their needed to be parity for women and men. They got 13 years notice it was reported widely from 1995 onwards. I doubt many didn't actually know it was changing.

I've put as much into my work pension as it'll be into the 70s by the time I retire, if there is one at all

[grunt]

I see Labour abstained today on compensation for waspi women in the Scottish Parliament. Classy.Is Sarwar a liar? Or just a branch manager?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMknXzAXMAEoGlF?format=jpg&name=medium

[JimBHibees]

Waspi women and loss of state pension. My wife lost 6 years of pension because of the UK government change to the pension age for women.

Ok thanks that is terrible

[Moulin Yarns]

A councillor from Canterbury in England has been selected as Labour’s candidate for Angus and Perthshire Glens, it can be revealed.

Elizabeth Carr-Ellis is a Labour councillor for St Stephen’s in Canterbury – over 500 miles from Angus in the South East of England.

But the party has given her its backing to standing for election in the newly formed Westminster constituency.

[Hibrandenburg]

A councillor from Canterbury in England has been selected as Labour’s candidate for Angus and Perthshire Glens, it can be revealed.

Elizabeth Carr-Ellis is a Labour councillor for St Stephen’s in Canterbury – over 500 miles from Angus in the South East of England.

But the party has given her its backing to standing for election in the newly formed Westminster constituency.

There's a fair few Scots hold seats south of the border, I'm not sure what the problem is here?

[Jack]

There's a fair few Scots hold seats south of the border, I'm not sure what the problem is here?

I almost agree with you but like to know why someone is parachuted in in preference to a local candidate or someone with ties to the area.

[marinello59]

I almost agree with you but like to know why someone is parachuted in in preference to a local candidate or someone with ties to the area.

Was she parachuted in or did she go through the normal selection process?

[Moulin Yarns]

Was she parachuted in or did she go through the normal selection process?

As Jack says, this is my constituency and I would rather all candidates at least have a connection to the area, even if she doesn't have a chance of winning.

[Jack]

Was she parachuted in or did she go through the normal selection process?

I couldn't see anything online about her selection.

[Stairway 2 7]

This is great from Labour hitting the greens for their constant bizarre blocking of green energy, do these people not realise every project blocked replaces current gas burning output. Hopefully signals Labour being YIMBY but I doubt it and its probably just political point scoring

https://archive.ph/mlkp3

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/graemedeymsp/status/1788134402817462288?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

I guess we can’t say we were not warned as they have been laying the ground for this for a while.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://x.com/graemedeymsp/status/1788134402817462288?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

I guess we can’t say we were not warned as they have been laying the ground for this for a while.


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Where have they said it? I thought Kezia was an SNP voter now. I wouldn't put it past Sarwar he's a Starmer lackey but nothing new has been said.

Something has to give with regards to funding and it really shouldn't be from students.

[Ozyhibby]

Where have they said it? I thought Kezia was an SNP voter now. I wouldn't put it past Sarwar he's a Starmer lackey but nothing new has been said.

Something has to give with regards to funding and it really shouldn't be from students.

Pretty sure Michael Marra said recently that Labour would look to reintroduce student fees when they get back in power at Holyrood?


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[Stairway 2 7]

Pretty sure Michael Marra said recently that Labour would look to reintroduce student fees when they get back in power at Holyrood?


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He wanted fees after graduation like in many European countries. Not against it as it wouldn't be a barrier to working class people getting a degree.

Marra
“There’s lots of models across Europe. So there’s post hoc in terms of after the event, things that we had previously whether it be graduate taxes, whether it be endowments.”


In Ireland they have a student contribution fee capped at €2000 per year and you can pay at graduation. That would be OK if it wasn't a backdoor to increases.

[Ozyhibby]

He wanted fees after graduation like in many European countries. Not against it as it wouldn't be a barrier to working class people getting a degree.

Marra
“There’s lots of models across Europe. So there’s post hoc in terms of after the event, things that we had previously whether it be graduate taxes, whether it be endowments.”


In Ireland they have a student contribution fee capped at €2000 per year and you can pay at graduation. That would be OK if it wasn't a backdoor to increases.

You don’t start paying with the current system in England until after graduation?


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[Stairway 2 7]

You don’t start paying with the current system in England until after graduation?


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Yes but it's far too high, can't remember of the top of my head but think it's above 20k per person less to graduate in Scotland. In England huge debts and ridiculous housing prices means only rich kids get on the housing ladder, thanks to parents

[Ozyhibby]

Yes but it's far too high, can't remember of the top of my head but think it's above 20k per person less to graduate in Scotland. In England huge debts and ridiculous housing prices means only rich kids get on the housing ladder, thanks to parents

I personally feel that a progressive system of taxation is the way to pay for Education. The bureaucracy of setting up loan systems, graduate taxes etc is pointless. Why not just add to the top rate of tax?


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[Stairway 2 7]

I personally feel that a progressive system of taxation is the way to pay for Education. The bureaucracy of setting up loan systems, graduate taxes etc is pointless. Why not just add to the top rate of tax?


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I agree but we're not funding enough, 6k or something per student. It needs to be 9k really

[marinello59]

Pretty sure Michael Marra said recently that Labour would look to reintroduce student fees when they get back in power at Holyrood?


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No he didn’t. He said we had to have a fundamental review of how further education is funded but said that were no plans to reintroduce fees. A grown up conversation is needed.

[Hiber-nation]

Natalie Elphicke has left the Tories to join Labour. They seem to have actually accepted her. Depressing times alright.

[Colr]

Unpleasant bit of work, Natalie Elphicke, defects to Labour.

Not sure she is in any way Labour material but she won’t be standing in the next election so it helps pick another hole in the floor of the Tories sinking ship.

[Stairway 2 7]

Unpleasant bit of work, Natalie Elphicke, defects to Labour.

Not sure she is in any way Labour material but she won’t be standing in the next election so it helps pick another hole in the floor of the Tories sinking ship.

Both defectors aren't standing in the next election. Both were going to lose their seats both using it to stick fingers up to the government. Starmer using it to hit the tories but is taking in for a few months two horrible people

[Ozyhibby]

Natalie Elphicke has left the Tories to join Labour. They seem to have actually accepted her. Depressing times alright.

First Labour member of the ERG. Starmer really has changed Labour.


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[grunt]

Both defectors aren't standing in the next election. Both were going to lose their seats both using it to stick fingers up to the government. Starmer using it to hit the tories but is taking in for a few months two horrible people
I'm not sure where this narrative has come from. Neither Elphicke nor Poulter have previously announced that they will not be standing again.

[Stairway 2 7]

I'm not sure where this narrative has come from. Neither Elphicke nor Poulter have previously announced that they will not be standing again.

No really a narrative though as Poulter has said he's not standing at the next election and he's concentrating on his medical career. Labour have confirmed Mike Trap will still be running for Elphickes seat at the next election, journalists are saying she isn't standing but I've not seen her confirm

[Bostonhibby]

First Labour member of the ERG. Starmer really has changed Labour.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThoroughly nasty piece of work, all starmer had to say was no thanks try the Reform gang.

This labour supporter is very disappointed.

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[marinello59]

Thoroughly nasty piece of work, all starmer had to say was no thanks try the Reform gang.

This labour supporter is very disappointed.

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I can see the attraction in giving Tory party morale another kicking but it might have been better for Labour if she had been told that there was no place for her in the Party. Starmer is going to find this one hard to explain. .
It’s not that long ago that Rachel Reeves said she could f right off after her criticism of Marcus Rashford. She will disappear from public view at the next election. She won’t be standing as a Labour candidate whether she wants to or not.

[Bostonhibby]

I can see the attraction in giving Tory party morale another kicking but it might have been better for Labour if she had been told that there was no place for her in the Party. Starmer is going to find this one hard to explain. .
It’s not that long ago that Rachel Reeves said she could f right off after her criticism of Marcus Rashford. She will disappear from public view at the next election. She won’t be standing as a Labour candidate whether she wants to or not.Yeah, I can see that but I think the value of the cheap shot is out weighed by having this sort of creature in the Labour party. Telling her where to go could well have done even more good in the long run.

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[Jack]

I would imagine one of the benefits of defecting to Labour at this time is that in future they will be referred to as a 'former Labour MP' rather than being tainted with the fact they were a mainstay of the most odious and calamitous tory administration in political history.

[Colr]

I'm not sure where this narrative has come from. Neither Elphicke nor Poulter have previously announced that they will not be standing again.

Dover has a Labour candidate who is not standing aside - nor should they

[grunt]

Dover has a Labour candidate who is not standing aside - nor should they
Maybe so, but that doesn't equate to her not standing for election elsewhere. It's just that all the discussion seems to be around her not standing next time but she's not on the list of those who have publicly declared their retirement as MPs, and I haven't heard her say it, so I wondered where it came from.

[JimBHibees]

Yeah, I can see that but I think the value of the cheap shot is out weighed by having this sort of creature in the Labour party. Telling her where to go could well have done even more good in the long run.

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Agree telling her to bolt would have been a stronger message. To accept her given her controversial past seems very odd. Can’t imagine it would go down well with labour grassroots

[grunt]

First Labour member of the ERG. Starmer really has changed Labour. You're right, I hadn't realised this. And not only was she a member of the ERG, but she was also one of the fascist subset known as the NewCons. I'm failing to see where she fits into the Labour Party.

[lapsedhibee]

You're right, I hadn't realised this. And not only was she a member of the ERG, but she was also one of the fascist subset known as the NewCons. I'm failing to see where she fits into the Labour Party.

Perhaps positioning the Labour Party as a force for bringing people together, in stark contrast to the other lot who have spent most of their time in office doing not much more than sowing division with their endless culture wars pish. Horror story that Elphicke is, I think many might welcome an inclusive outlook from the next PM. (For this to work properly, though, he might have to stop excluding socialists and the like.)

[Moulin Yarns]

Courtesy of Christopher Brookmyre


Labour should have made Natalie Elphicke go and live on the Bibby Stockholm while they procesed her application

[SHODAN]

Breathed in the general direction of the Green Party? Go **** yourself.

Sitting Tory MP? Welcome to Labour.

[cabbageandribs1875]

some of us have been saying this since Starmer got the gig :agree:https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/438174216_836523218516335_2952468471325852321_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=rRRjizQqMCUQ7kNvgHa4qOk&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfB4mF6rBdtg5TKJbPIgCwRX5Y2eUy1l9sqKsPUeYHCR OA&oe=6641F2F5

[Colr]

Agree telling her to bolt would have been a stronger message. To accept her given her controversial past seems very odd. Can’t imagine it would go down well with labour grassroots

To some, yes. I can see the attraction in having the swivel eyed loon say that Labours policy on stopping illegal immigration is more convincing that the Tories so-called ‘plan’ might swing some votes.

[marinello59]

To some, yes. I can see the attraction in having the swivel eyed loon say that Labours policy on stopping illegal immigration is more convincing that the Tories so-called ‘plan’ might swing some votes.

Starmer has made a rare miscalculation here I think. He has probably upset his own party just as much as the Tories.
The interesting thing for us political geeks is that despite the unrest behind the scenes the party is so far remaining disciplined and not airing any splits in public. That’s unusual for Labour and provides a sharp contrast to the absolute shambles in the Tory party. It’s how elections are won as the SNP had demonstrated so successfully for over a decade.

[Ozyhibby]

Starmer has made a rare miscalculation here I think. He has probably upset his own party just as much as the Tories.
The interesting thing for us political geeks is that despite the unrest behind the scenes the party is so far remaining disciplined and not airing any splits in public. That’s unusual for Labour and provides a sharp contrast to the absolute shambles in the Tory party. It’s how elections are won as the SNP had demonstrated so successfully for over a decade.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240509/c5b53c8c55adb008efef5508d0cd0f24.jpg


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[Stairway 2 7]

Won't happen but would put tories 4th on MPs at 13 lib dems 44 and SNP 19 according to nowcast model

"Labour's lead is now at 30 points - the biggest yet since Liz Truss

LAB 48 (+4)
CON: 18 (=)
REF UK 13 (-2)
LIB DEM 9 (-1)
GRN 7 (-1)

Fieldwork 7 - 8 May
YouGov for Times"

[Hiber-nation]

Starmer has made a rare miscalculation here I think. He has probably upset his own party just as much as the Tories.
The interesting thing for us political geeks is that despite the unrest behind the scenes the party is so far remaining disciplined and not airing any splits in public. That’s unusual for Labour and provides a sharp contrast to the absolute shambles in the Tory party. It’s how elections are won as the SNP had demonstrated so successfully for over a decade.

Yeah this is true. There are quite a few dissenters obviously but there won't be any major rocking of the boat now no matter how hard the media try to find them.

[Colr]

Won't happen but would put tories 4th on MPs at 13 lib dems 44 and SNP 19 according to nowcast model

"Labour's lead is now at 30 points - the biggest yet since Liz Truss

LAB 48 (+4)
CON: 18 (=)
REF UK 13 (-2)
LIB DEM 9 (-1)
GRN 7 (-1)

Fieldwork 7 - 8 May
YouGov for Times"


30% lead! I don’t actually believe this but it would translate to a +500 seat majority with only 13 Tories.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49358-voting-intention-con-18-lab-48-7-8-may-2024

I actually think this is Tory propaganda as YouGov is run by Tories.

[Andy Bee]

Anyone watch Question Time tonight? We had Lisa Nandy defending Natalie Elphicke above Dianne Abbot, in Stoke on Trent which was staunch Red Wall then Blue Wall now looking like Red with a blue hue (Purple?) type wall again. I actually have some sympathy for voters in England. They're as polarised as us up here.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[grunt]

Labour hypocrisy? Surely not, your ladyship.

May 2020

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNNLpwRWQAAAR5p?format=jpg&name=medium

May 2024

https://x.com/ayeshahazarika/status/1788487000082804754


On my way to the House of Lords for my formal introduction as Baroness Hazarika of Coatbridge. Am very excited but dead nervous too. A huge honour. Marked the occasion by slapping on a fresh HRT patch & discovering a fresh chin hair.

[Ozyhibby]

Labour hypocrisy? Surely not, your ladyship.

May 2020

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNNLpwRWQAAAR5p?format=jpg&name=medium

May 2024

https://x.com/ayeshahazarika/status/1788487000082804754

Doesn’t seem long ago that they were going to abolish the House of Lords?[emoji2369]
It’s almost like they know we’ll swallow any old BS.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/19/keir-starmer-i-will-abolish-house-of-lords-to-restore-trust-in-politics


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[marinello59]

Doesn’t seem long ago that they were going to abolish the House of Lords?[emoji2369]
It’s almost like they know we’ll swallow any old BS.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/19/keir-starmer-i-will-abolish-house-of-lords-to-restore-trust-in-politics


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She’ll be able to share a car down with Blackford when he get the title he has been fishing for. :greengrin
Every party is full of hypocrites. Swinney has just accepted his coronation after laying in to Sunak for doing the same thing.

[grunt]

She’ll be able to share a car down with Blackford when he get the title he has been fishing for. :greengrin
Every party is full of hypocrites. Swinney has just accepted his coronation after laying in to Sunak for doing the same thing.
I dub thee Lord Whataboutery!

[cabbageandribs1875]

oh, must be bad when the British Labour Party replace a candidate

(1) The National on X: "NEW: Scottish Labour General Election candidate Wilma Brown has been replaced following an investigation into 'dozens' of offensive tweets she shared on social media. Brown was suspended from the party in April and will now no longer stand in Cowdenbeath and Kirkcaldy. https://t.co/PXMTSI8XXj" / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1788868330541179297?t=N5_YZO4agLgO7hYc9tNdJQ&s=19&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR3jFhPov5b4vlZVXR_JN0b0e 9QArFnXZjZlz4nRC1DINJ87dfgH_y7GZl4_aem_AQb5LkCHUAj bmUoGyDac086NxO4qH8K0PNPGVuRMTHS9J5SkkFS3zRd4FhS66 6QB4G8sewi0lMO5rs6jxMEJrNdF)

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[cabbageandribs1875]

lol

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[MKHIBEE]

lol

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Politician in hypocrisy shock. No doubt the thought of riding on the gravy train was too much to ignore

[Bostonhibby]

Politician in hypocrisy shock. No doubt the thought of riding on the gravy train was too much to ignoreShe'll not be there long when Sir Keir Carries out his pledge to abolish the House of Lords.

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[MKHIBEE]

She'll not be there long when Sir Keir Carries out his pledge to abolish the House of Lords.

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That will be another u turn in the making

[Bostonhibby]

That will be another u turn in the makingEasy way to appeal to a big majority surely? I actually know normally intransigent nastyparty supporters who are actually in favour of ditching the house of lords. One thing that might unite the nation[emoji16]

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[Ozyhibby]

That will be another u turn in the making

I doubt they’ll ever actually announce a u-turn. They’ll just never do it. Labour supporters have been buying that lie for more than 50 years now and they’ll buy it for 50 more.


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[Ozyhibby]

Would have thought there would be a lot of excitement on here after the release of Labour’s 6 big pledges?


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[Bostonhibby]

Would have thought there would be a lot of excitement on here after the release of Labour’s 6 big pledges?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSome predictable stuff really, guys got an election to win and a hostile right wing press.

Disappointed the abolition of the House of Lords seems to be slipping down his list of priorities, popular and easy to do.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Would have thought there would be a lot of excitement on here after the release of Labour’s 6 big pledges?


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1. Deliver economic stability

Pretty meaningless on its own, soundbite.

2. Cut NHS waiting times

Rishi failed this pledge. 40,000 more hospital appointments each week, including over weekends and evenings, funded by a crackdown on major tax avoidance. I'll believe it when I see it doubtful

3. Launch a new Border Security Command

Says he will end Rwanda and work with Europe to have a returns program and go after gangs instead of people to stop the flow. Load of pish and a waste of time Europe probably won't agree and the gangs are well organised and hidden

4. Set up Great British energy

Spend 8 billion on setting up a clean energy company in the first 100 days in power to be based in Scotland. Fantastic and Scotland should back as one its morally right and two a good asset in independent Scotland

5. Crack down on antisocial behavior

Usual target. 13,000 more police and community police will be welcome if it happens. I'd be excited if they do achieve a large network of youth hubs and community hubs but I bet they won't

6. Recruit 6,500 new teachers
6500 teachers funded by taxing private schools. Fantastic I'm sure no one would be against this. Is this devolved or will it be uk wide?


Mostly nonsense with a couple of good bits, probably most will fall away

[Ozyhibby]

1. Deliver economic stability

Pretty meaningless on its own, soundbite.

2. Cut NHS waiting times

Rishi failed this pledge. 40,000 more hospital appointments each week, including over weekends and evenings, funded by a crackdown on major tax avoidance. I'll believe it when I see it doubtful

3. Launch a new Border Security Command

Says he will end Rwanda and work with Europe to have a returns program and go after gangs instead of people to stop the flow. Load of pish and a waste of time Europe probably won't agree and the gangs are well organised and hidden

4. Set up Great British energy

Spend 8 billion on setting up a clean energy company in the first 100 days in power to be based in Scotland. Fantastic and Scotland should back as one its morally right and two a good asset in independent Scotland

5. Crack down on antisocial behavior

Usual target. 13,000 more police and community police will be welcome if it happens. I'd be excited if they do achieve a large network of youth hubs and community hubs but I bet they won't

6. Recruit 6,500 new teachers
6500 teachers funded by taxing private schools. Fantastic I'm sure no one would be against this. Is this devolved or will it be uk wide?


Mostly nonsense with a couple of good bits, probably most will fall away

It’s pretty thin gruel for a pre election offering? Not what anyone would call an ambitious plan for the UK?
If it wasn’t for the fact that the Tory boat is holed below the waterline I don’t think this would win an election.


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[Stairway 2 7]

It’s pretty thin gruel for a pre election offering? Not what anyone would call an ambitious plan for the UK?
If it wasn’t for the fact that the Tory boat is holed below the waterline I don’t think this would win an election.


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It's not the manifesto it's just a copy of Blairs pre election election card which was equally weak. I think Starmer just wanted to repeat the words people vote on NHS, Education, policing, cost of living and immigration on stage. Politically minded people will see its mostly empty targets but most voters aren't politics nerds like us on here

[marinello59]

It’s pretty thin gruel for a pre election offering? Not what anyone would call an ambitious plan for the UK?
If it wasn’t for the fact that the Tory boat is holed below the waterline I don’t think this would win an election.


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It's not the manifesto, just a few bullet points to get things started. It is like a watered down version of the pledge card that did pretty well for Blair. In Starmer's defence he is going to inherit a much bigger messfrom Sunak than Blair did from Major, it would be foolhardy to over promise at this point. The meat will be going on to the bones soon enough.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/kmacraeplockton/status/1792114520799805473?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

All roads lead to Westminster. No plans to change that either.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/stevepowers_/status/1792892178567413893?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

We already knew to be fair.


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[JimBHibees]

https://x.com/stevepowers_/status/1792892178567413893?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

We already knew to be fair.


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Oh dear 😅

[marinello59]

https://x.com/stevepowers_/status/1792892178567413893?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

We already knew to be fair.


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To be fair all the major parties are small c conservative.

[JimBHibees]

To be fair all the major parties are small c conservative.

Not all of them admit to be though especially not apparently socialist ones 😂

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/msm_monitor/status/1792930107608216038?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[cabbageandribs1875]

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[marinello59]

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To be accurate they voted Tory and got Labour.:greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[Andy Bee]

Bottom of the barrel stuff Mr Starmar.


https://x.com/i/status/1794109044099015122

[marinello59]

Bottom of the barrel stuff Mr Starmar.


https://x.com/i/status/1794109044099015122

Are they having a competition to see who can be the least vote worthy leader? That’s dreadful.

[Ozyhibby]

Sarwar admits his family business still doesn’t pay the living wage. He’ll have the cheek to talk about others not paying it though.[emoji35]


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[Stairway 2 7]

Sarwar admits his family business still doesn’t pay the living wage. He’ll have the cheek to talk about others not paying it though.[emoji35]


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How is that legal shut it down, I wouldn't blame him for his parents business but he should condem

[Ozyhibby]

How is that legal shut it down, I wouldn't blame him for his parents business but he should condem

It’s his business as well. He transferred his shares to his wife to try avoid scrutiny.


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[weecounty hibby]

He was technically correct that he doesn't own shares in the company. But that's because he transferred them to his wife. 40k in dividend last year I believe. 100% not to be trusted in anything he says

[Stairway 2 7]

Ah just read it, they pay the living wage obviously as that is a legal minimum. They don't pay the voluntary living wage that the living wage foundation recommend. He says Labour will let the living wage foundation set the minimum wage and all companies including his dad's will have to pay it. Doesn't say much if he can't push his family. Not a good look them not increasing it to the real living wage. 35% of companies now pay it but it will be a big boost if its compulsory to all

[Andy Bee]

It’s his business as well. He transferred his shares to his wife to try avoid scrutiny.


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He put the shares in a trust for his kids to receive when they're older. Made a big song and dance about not having any control over them at all when in the leadership contest with Leonard which is technically correct but the dividend payments are being paid to his wife. £40,000 a year on the last count.

[Ozyhibby]

He put the shares in a trust for his kids to receive when they're older. Made a big song and dance about not having any control over them at all when in the leadership contest with Leonard which is technically correct but the dividend payments are being paid to his wife. £40,000 a year on the last count.

Of course he has no control. [emoji6]
A Labour Party leader not paying the living wage to his employees. Makes you sick.[emoji2961]


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[Andy Bee]

Of course he has no control. [emoji6]
A Labour Party leader not paying the living wage to his employees. Makes you sick.[emoji2961]


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It's also worth noting that the business doesn't allow Union representation either, so we have a Labour branch manager with a family business which is against it's workers having representation from the very people who created the Labour Party. You couldn't make it up.

[Stairway 2 7]

It's also worth noting that the business doesn't allow Union representation either, so we have a Labour branch manager with a family business which is against it's workers having representation from the very people who created the Labour Party. You couldn't make it up.

The article I read where he said they pay the living wage not the living wage foundations wage, he said they were negotiating with USDAW the staffs union? Can you ban being in a union in the UK brutal if true.

[Andy Bee]

The article I read where he said they pay the living wage not the living wage foundations wage, he said they were negotiating with USDAW the staffs union? Can you ban being in a union in the UK brutal if true.


It may well have changed now, I read the story a while ago. You can't ban workers joining but they need a certain amount to be recognised and have any power. It'd just take a few wee whispers of what would happen if they did join to make them think twice. These are people who for a lot of them were on 0 hours contracts.

[Andy Bee]

The article I read where he said they pay the living wage not the living wage foundations wage, he said they were negotiating with USDAW the staffs union? Can you ban being in a union in the UK brutal if true.

A definitive answer erm I think.


https://x.com/msm_monitor/status/1794668902187672057

[DaveF]

BBC shortbread leading with a report on how Sarwar has nothing to do with the company and a union quote saying how all hunky dory everything is.

[Ozyhibby]

BBC shortbread leading with a report on how Sarwar has nothing to do with the company and a union quote saying how all hunky dory everything is.

https://x.com/ammacj/status/1794997690184388871?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Hopefully means some low paid workers are now getting a pay rise.


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[marinello59]

Ah just read it, they pay the living wage obviously as that is a legal minimum. They don't pay the voluntary living wage that the living wage foundation recommend. He says Labour will let the living wage foundation set the minimum wage and all companies including his dad's will have to pay it. Doesn't say much if he can't push his family. Not a good look them not increasing it to the real living wage. 35% of companies now pay it but it will be a big boost if its compulsory to all

It looks terrible and should have been dealt with long before now. He deserves all the flak he is getting for this.

[Andy Bee]

BBC shortbread leading with a report on how Sarwar has nothing to do with the company and a union quote saying how all hunky dory everything is.

TBF this is the second time Martin Geisler has surprised me, the first being the Starmar interview on the validity of Scotland being in a voluntary union but watching the headlines morph as time goes on is pretty funny. Darwin himself would be impressed with the evolution process on show here.

Day 1........https://x.com/msm_monitor/status/1794817895694033148
Day 2........https://x.com/msm_monitor/status/1794981058808602945

[degenerated]

BBC shortbread leading with a report on how Sarwar has nothing to do with the company and a union quote saying how all hunky dory everything is.Yet they are still advertising for jobs that pay less than the living wage

https://uk.whatjobs.com/job/Order-Picker/city-of-glasgow-glasgow-/271161697

edit: just noticed this is from December, so hopefully they have started paying properly now.

[overdrive]

Yet they are still advertising for jobs that pay less than the living wage

https://uk.whatjobs.com/job/Order-Picker/city-of-glasgow-glasgow-/271161697

edit: just noticed this is from December, so hopefully they have started paying properly now.

It is also a different company albeit connected to his wider family. That's his uncle's side of the family's business. It is confusing as they have very similar names. United Wholesale Grocers Ltd is the uncle's company. United Wholesale (Scotland) Ltd. is the one Anas' side of the family run. The Grocers one was the original company but they split it up in early 2000s with Anas' dad starting the one with Scotland in its name and the uncle retaining the original one.

[marinello59]

It looks terrible and should have been dealt with long before now. He deserves all the flak he is getting for this.

And it turns out it had been dealt with.

[One Day Soon]

And it turns out it had been dealt with.

You with your facts and that

[Stairway 2 7]

Yougov today has Labour extending to 27 in the UK and survation has them 3 ahead in Scotland, both polls taken Monday, Tuesday. Starmer’s best bet is just to say nothing, a disastrous first week for the others. Even with the chaos I've not seen much of the Lib Dems who should be trying to capitalise

[marinello59]

Love her or loathe her, the way Diane Abbott has been treated by the Labour leadership over the past few days has been shameful. It looks like the decision to restore the whip had been taken a while ago yet never relayed to her. Now Starmer says no decision has been taken on whether she can stand for re-election yet. Awful.

[lapsedhibee]

Love her or loathe her, the way Diane Abbott has been treated by the Labour leadership over the past few days has been shameful. It looks like the decision to restore the whip had been taken a while ago yet never relayed to her. Now Starmer says no decision has been taken on whether she can stand for re-election yet. Awful.

:agree: Keeping her out of the election will reduce the rabid Tory press attack lines, what with her having known Corbyn biblically, but it does look very very poor. (I don't like her.)

[Bostonhibby]

:agree: Keeping her out of the election will reduce the rabid Tory press attack lines, what with her having known Corbyn biblically, but it does look very very poor. (I don't like her.)Yep, it's not a good look, she never has been my favourite Labour MP but this stinks a bit IMO.

When you consider the crooks, oddballs and deviants that have been embraced and defended by the Nasty party down the years it's just a real shame we have the press and media we have who will disproportionately attack an MP or individual just because they happen to be Labour.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Hope she doesn't stand her downplaying of traveler and Jewish discrimination was disgusting but she has form. During the genocide of the Bosnians she set up a group to lobby for Serbia with Radovan Karadzic's advisor Sir Alfred Sherman. She said NATOs one sided intervention was breathtaking as both sides had committed atrocities. She said we cannot solely blame Assad for the 100,000 dead following Russian flattening the capital. She said we mustn't call Russia the aggressor in Ukraine weeks after the bucha massacre.

She's an old fashioned anyone but NATO genocide enabler. Stunned she has had a place in modern politics this long

[Bostonhibby]

Hope she doesn't stand her downplaying of traveler and Jewish discrimination was disgusting but she has form. During the genocide of the Bosnians she set up a group to lobby for Serbia with Radovan Karadzic's advisor Sir Alfred Sherman. She said NATOs one sided intervention was breathtaking as both sides had committed atrocities. She said we cannot solely blame Assad for the 100,000 dead following Russian flattening the capital. She said we mustn't call Russia the aggressor in Ukraine weeks after the bucha massacre.

She's an old fashioned anyone but NATO genocide enabler. Stunned she has had a place in modern politics this longThis is generally how I view her, but she also tended towards hypocrisy when she was at her peak, sending son to public school and her explanation for it, for example.

FWIW Diane Abbott is probably about what is good for Diane Abbott, and enjoyed a bit of limelight?

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[RyeSloan]

Who can forget the odd shoes photo of Diane…summed her up for me.

Just in case some were not quite as cognisant of her ability to confuse I did laugh at the following from the BBC:

Earlier today, Abbott texted the BBC's Joe Pike to say: "Although the whip has been restored, I am banned from standing as a Labour candidate"

Now, she's written on X: "I am very dismayed that numerous reports suggest I have been barred as a candidate

Special kind of genius that.

[marinello59]

Who can forget the odd shoes photo of Diane…summed her up for me.

Just in case some were not quite as cognisant of her ability to confuse I did laugh at the following from the BBC:

Earlier today, Abbott texted the BBC's Joe Pike to say: "Although the whip has been restored, I am banned from standing as a Labour candidate"

Now, she's written on X: "I am very dismayed that numerous reports suggest I have been barred as a candidate

Special kind of genius that.

The suggestion that she may not be able to stand came from unofficial briefings from within the party. Given that nobody had bothered to tell her that the whip had been restored until journalists pushed, it her confusion in this case can be excused.

[JimBHibees]

Who can forget the odd shoes photo of Diane…summed her up for me.

Just in case some were not quite as cognisant of her ability to confuse I did laugh at the following from the BBC:

Earlier today, Abbott texted the BBC's Joe Pike to say: "Although the whip has been restored, I am banned from standing as a Labour candidate"

Now, she's written on X: "I am very dismayed that numerous reports suggest I have been barred as a candidate

Special kind of genius that.

Numerous reports including her own. :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Yougov today has Labour extending to 27 in the UK and survation has them 3 ahead in Scotland, both polls taken Monday, Tuesday. Starmer’s best bet is just to say nothing, a disastrous first week for the others. Even with the chaos I've not seen much of the Lib Dems who should be trying to capitalise

Ed Davey cycled down a hill from England into Wales :greengrin

[marinello59]

Ed Davey cycled down a hill from England into Wales :greengrin

He fell off a paddleboard yesterday as well. :greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

Ed Davey cycled down a hill from England into Wales :greengrin

I actually just seen clips of him paddle-boarding yesterday. Obviously he fell badly multiple times who is advising politicians nowadays, the producers of its a knockout. The country is knackered last one oot turn the lights out 😆

[Stairway 2 7]

He fell off a paddleboard yesterday as well. :greengrin

Snap ha least he's being seen now..

[lapsedhibee]

I actually just seen clips of him paddle-boarding yesterday. Obviously he fell badly multiple times who is advising politicians nowadays, the producers of its a knockout. The country is knackered last one oot turn the lights out ��

Tim Farron is a jambo.

He later admitted that one of his tumbles was on purpose, but maintained that the other four were genuine accidents.

Mr Farron, who only fell in once and was joined on the lake by his daughter Gracie, gleefully shouted “5-1” as the trio came back to shore.

Lib Dems are ******** as well!

[Bostonhibby]

He fell off a paddleboard yesterday as well. :greengrinThat seals it for me, miles ahead of anything the waiter has so far done, even when he almost dribbled a soccer ball round some cones.

The demoral libocrats are the future.

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[Stairway 2 7]

That seals it for me, miles ahead of anything the waiter has so far done, even when he almost dribbled a soccer ball round some cones.

The demoral libocrats are the future.

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Do you think it's that wise to be in English rivers when the tories have pumped both excrement in the rivers and money in shareholders pockets. Ed Davey could be in his sick bed the rest of the campaign

[Bostonhibby]

Do you think it's that wise to be in English rivers when the tories have pumped both excrement in the rivers and money in shareholders pockets. Ed Davey could be in his sick bed the rest of the campaignTurds amongst turds?

Remember, Sir Ed quickly became less liberal when the chance to join Call Me Dave's less than liberal gang came along.



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[Bristolhibby]

Yep, it's not a good look, she never has been my favourite Labour MP but this stinks a bit IMO.

When you consider the crooks, oddballs and deviants that have been embraced and defended by the Nasty party down the years it's just a real shame we have the press and media we have who will disproportionately attack an MP or individual just because they happen to be Labour.

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And black and a woman.

All because she got her sums wrong. “Red” Ed Milliband lost an election because he ate a bacon sandwich funny.

J

[Stairway 2 7]

Turds amongst turds?

Remember, Sir Ed quickly became less liberal when the chance to join Call Me Dave's less than liberal gang came along.



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His hand are dirty from the post office crisis too. The coalition was baffling and disgusting. We will join the tories as its fair because they were biggest, get a conscience and some sense. Coalitions are normal all over Europe, you pick who is closer to your opinion. If that was the tories then fair play to them they showed their cards

[Stairway 2 7]

I understand why she was so confident. If journalists were capable of red faces some would have them.

Angela Rayner has been cleared by HMRC and she doesn't need to pay any tax on the sale of her former council house
@PippaCrerar

A document seen by
@PippaCrerar
says ‘no capital gains tax is due’ and that the case is now closed

[Bostonhibby]

His hand are dirty from the post office crisis too. The coalition was baffling and disgusting. We will join the tories as its fair because they were biggest, get a conscience and some sense. Coalitions are normal all over Europe, you pick who is closer to your opinion. If that was the tories then fair play to them they showed their cardsI agree, the rush by Clegg to cling onto Dodgy Dave's coat tails tells us all we really need to know about the sale price of the principle and theory of liberal Democracy, it enable Clegg to climb the greasy pole to levels way beyond his ability and credibility.

Sir Ed's the same and has distanced himself from his ministerial role and responsibilities at the time without the slightest embarrassment. Political nonentity.

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[lapsedhibee]

I understand why she was so confident. If journalists were capable of red faces some would have them.

Angela Rayner has been cleared by HMRC and she doesn't need to pay any tax on the sale of her former council house
@PippaCrerar

A document seen by
@PippaCrerar
says ‘no capital gains tax is due’ and that the case is now closed

So looking forward to seeing Daly and Holden get their jotters. Hope those two don't bail before the big night. Snivellers both.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/j4m35c4mpb3ll/status/1796091554131534112?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

We know it happens but it’s still funny watching it. He is weak. I actually don’t think he makes it to the 2026 election. Starmer will sack him before then.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://x.com/j4m35c4mpb3ll/status/1796091554131534112?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

We know it happens but it’s still funny watching it. He is weak. I actually don’t think he makes it to the 2026 election. Starmer will sack him before then.


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Think he's a Starmer minion so he'll be alright. If Labour takes the most votes in Scotland next week he'll be OK and probably favorite to take first minister. Starmer and Sarwar are lucky generals, they just have to sit back be mid whilst the rest self implode

[Stairway 2 7]

Abbott allowed to stand. I think it shows how week Starmer will be. He'll change with the wind or where the pressure pushes him. He's lucky the tories are awful but that won't help him whilst PM

[marinello59]

Abbott allowed to stand. I think it shows how week Starmer will be. He'll change with the wind or where the pressure pushes him. He's lucky the tories are awful but that won't help him whilst PM

Once it became clear the whip had been restored there was really little he could do to stop her standing. Rayner and Sarwar both spoke out in favour. . Jess Phillips probably called it right when she said now wasn’t the time for this particular fight.

[Andy Bee]

Abbott allowed to stand. I think it shows how week Starmer will be. He'll change with the wind or where the pressure pushes him. He's lucky the tories are awful but that won't help him whilst PM

Tories back in 5 years, cannae wait. :greengrin

[Paul1642]

Once it became clear the whip had been restored there was really little he could do to stop her standing. Rayner and Sarwar both spoke out in favour. . Jess Phillips probably called it right when she said now wasn’t the time for this particular fight.

Except she’s an absolute disaster who alienates lots of people who might otherwise vote Labour. As party leader he can surely decide that there is a better candidate.

[marinello59]

Except she’s an absolute disaster who alienates lots of people who might otherwise vote Labour. As party leader he can surely decide that there is a better candidate.

Her local party and the electorate in her constituency will make that decision. She has represented them for a long time , their call.

[Stairway 2 7]

This is brilliant after that idiot Starmer took a private jet to announce a Green deal

https://x.com/theSNP/status/1796588751675928640

[Moulin Yarns]

This is brilliant after that idiot Starmer took a private jet to announce a Green deal

https://x.com/theSNP/status/1796588751675928640

His response to criticism about the plane was that he was in Wales in the morning and needed to be in Scotland for the afternoon announcement. Surely you plan a more efficient itinerary!

[cabbageandribs1875]

Things Can Only Get Better group ban Labour from using song | General election 2024 | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/01/things-can-only-get-better-group-ban-labour-from-using-song?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR2O63GsrCt8a_04Gw61 _cgHk9v0EbCUXg8uD_A0WWWRCYA5A0zokgDDgd4_aem_AcQqhS ezcg9mb04eQKzw_3271M5MUD0J46tIuRWYaBjMCAa3-UQ4MCUgqRErNw5czhJHREYimgNWRr2N6n47-fI-) good the uk's two main right-wing political parties won't get to use it :agree:








P.S. i never realised Professor Brian Cox was part of D:ream, every days a skool day

[Ozyhibby]

Except she’s an absolute disaster who alienates lots of people who might otherwise vote Labour. As party leader he can surely decide that there is a better candidate.

While I agree on Abbott, it’s not and should not be a decision for Starmer.


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[Ozyhibby]

Labour about to lose a vote of no confidence in Wales. Sarwar will surely be calling for an election there now?


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[Moulin Yarns]

Labour about to lose a vote of no confidence in Wales. Sarwar will surely be calling for an election there now?


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Not the party, just the first minister.

[Ozyhibby]

Not the party, just the first minister.

Didn’t they call for an election when yousaf was about to lose his VONC?


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[Berwickhibby]

Didn’t they call for an election when yousaf was about to lose his VONC?


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Didn’t the SNP not call for an election after Bozo 🤡 and Truss when they departed….is this not what politicians do

[cabbageandribs1875]

indeed

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[Andy Bee]

VONC passed 29 - 27 in the Senedd, no confidence in Vaughan Gething, let the ****** begin.

[cabbageandribs1875]

VONC passed 29 - 27 in the Senedd, no confidence in Vaughan Gething, let the ****** begin.

he's not standing down, saying two Labour members are off sick

[cabbageandribs1875]

WASPI women compensation update as Labour warned 3.6million votes are vital (yahoo.com) (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/waspi-women-compensation-labour-warned-035740053.html)


Speaking in April 2023, Sir Keir Starmer said that WASPI women “have been put in an awful position, a position they shouldn’t be put in. It’s a huge injustice.” But questioned again during the election trail, the WASPI campaign said he refused to back compensation and said he would only “look at” the issue after July 4.



good luck with the U-turn king Ladies

[grunt]

Labour Under Pressure for Reselecting Climate Denial Group Director as Election Candidate
https://www.desmog.com/2024/06/06/labour-graham-stringer-under-pressure-reselecting-climate-denial-director-election-candidate-global-warming-policy-foundation/ (https://www.desmog.com/2024/06/06/labour-graham-stringer-under-pressure-reselecting-climate-denial-director-election-candidate-global-warming-policy-foundation/)

[Keith_M]

Labour Under Pressure for Reselecting Climate Denial Group Director as Election Candidate


https://www.desmog.com/2024/06/06/labour-graham-stringer-under-pressure-reselecting-climate-denial-director-election-candidate-global-warming-policy-foundation/ (https://www.desmog.com/2024/06/06/labour-graham-stringer-under-pressure-reselecting-climate-denial-director-election-candidate-global-warming-policy-foundation/)


As long as he's not a Leftie.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/richardmarcj/status/1799810016465359099?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

What’s the point if they are getting rid of the House of Lords?


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://x.com/richardmarcj/status/1799810016465359099?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

What’s the point if they are getting rid of the House of Lords?


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We shouldn't get rid of the Lords I like a second chamber it should be fundamentally changed though. I believe they say they will end hereditary peers which is an obvious start. It needs to be elected but I won't hold my breath on them doing it

[Bristolhibby]

We shouldn't get rid of the Lords I like a second chamber it should be fundamentally changed though. I believe they say they will end hereditary peers which is an obvious start. It needs to be elected but I won't hold my breath on them doing it

For me it should be an elected second chamber using Proportional Representation with elections taking place half way through a governments term in power.

Jobs a good un. Proper elected scrutiny.

J

[Ozyhibby]

We shouldn't get rid of the Lords I like a second chamber it should be fundamentally changed though. I believe they say they will end hereditary peers which is an obvious start. It needs to be elected but I won't hold my breath on them doing it

It’s not that long ago since they said they would get rid of it. I know they won’t and we’ll continue to be ruled by the elite.


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[Stairway 2 7]

For me it should be an elected second chamber using Proportional Representation with elections taking place half way through a governments term in power.

Jobs a good un. Proper elected scrutiny.

J

Agreed

[Stairway 2 7]

It’s not that long ago since they said they would get rid of it. I know they won’t and we’ll continue to be ruled by the elite.


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No one said they wanted rid of it he said he wanted an elected house of the people or some mince. Getting rid of hereditary peers is a good start and next should be religious leaders and royalty I don't think he will

[Andy Bee]

The latest talk is they're going to ban over 80s from sitting in the Lords, when questioned about it, the list of over 80s included some pretty impressive ex MPs like Heseltine and Kinnock and wouldn't allow their own Margaret Hodge to attend. Pretty daft plan when people like the ones mentioned can't attend but the son of an ex KGB agent can.

[Bristolhibby]

No one said they wanted rid of it he said he wanted an elected house of the people or some mince. Getting rid of hereditary peers is a good start and next should be religious leaders and royalty I don't think he will

Bishops should be gone ASAP.

We are a secular country that sometimes likes to kid on its Christian. (Oh and we can keep Christmas, seeing as the Christians nicked the Pagan festival anyway).

Get them OOOT!

J

[grunt]

**** Labour and all who sail in her.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GP8xGLHWoAA8NNK?format=jpg&name=large

[Moulin Yarns]

**** Labour and all who sail in her.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GP8xGLHWoAA8NNK?format=jpg&name=large

And their main aim is creation of wealth rather than equality. Go socialist labour 🙄

[Jack]

**** Labour and all who sail in her.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GP8xGLHWoAA8NNK?format=jpg&name=large

Given his record since Starmer took the lead the Labour Party I'd suggest the manifesto is a list of future U turns.

[JimBHibees]

**** Labour and all who sail in her.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GP8xGLHWoAA8NNK?format=jpg&name=large

Yep shocker just saying anything to get their former red wall voters.

[Hibrandenburg]

Yep shocker just saying anything to get their former red wall voters.

Our democracy is ****ed because policy is being dictated by public opinion and public opinion is controlled by social media rather than parties creating sensible policies that sway public opinion.

[Ozyhibby]

Our democracy is ****ed because policy is being dictated by public opinion and public opinion is controlled by social media rather than parties creating sensible policies that sway public opinion.

I think policy is being dictated by the oligarchs that run the UK. The media oligarchs shape the public opinion to support them.
Labour austerity will be different though.[emoji6]


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[Kato]

I think policy is being dictated by the oligarchs that run the UK. The media oligarchs shape the public opinion to support them.
Labour austerity will be different though.[emoji6]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkBillionaires hiring millionaire politicians and journalists.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

well done them, not all Labour folk are fooled by the New Sir Starmer centre-right Labour party

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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/danielgoyal/status/1801503523370160528?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

A bit of misinformation from Labour?


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://x.com/danielgoyal/status/1801503523370160528?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

A bit of misinformation from Labour?


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No from the twitter poster, it was £850 million in Scotland which is still below England at over 5% of snhs budget

[JimBHibees]

https://x.com/danielgoyal/status/1801503523370160528?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

A bit of misinformation from Labour?


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Wouldn’t be a surprise

[JimBHibees]

No from the twitter poster, it was £850 million in Scotland which is still below England at over 5% of snhs budget

So it was wrong

[Stairway 2 7]

So it was wrong

Streeting and Goyal are both usually wrong. To be fair to the them and record gov hides the figures tightly and it's usually only public FOIs that get some of the figures. All parties will need the private sector especially if they want to decrease the massive backlogs

Scot nhs definitely lower than England I think it was £850 in 18 months but that's not the full amount.

[Ozyhibby]

Streeting and Goyal are both usually wrong. To be fair to the them and record gov hides the figures tightly and it's usually only public FOIs that get some of the figures. All parties will need the private sector especially if they want to decrease the massive backlogs

Scot nhs definitely lower than England I think it was £850 in 18 months but that's not the full amount.

I think the bigger scandal is all the people being forced to go private to jump Q’s. Eventually that will become the norm and the NHS will be undermined.
Both sides of border.

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[Bostonhibby]

I think the bigger scandal is all the people being forced to go private to jump Q’s. Eventually that will become the norm and the NHS will be undermined.
Both sides of border.

Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt's been privatisation by stealth down here for decades, just don't mention privatisation. Started with care home funding, dentistry and eyecare now moving onto hearing care.

All whilst flushing out those who can or are forced to go private just through the creation of delays however they come about. We are already on the road to an american system.

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[Keith_M]

Starmer on the possibility of Labour removing two-child benefit cap...


“I’m not going to put a date on these things, but I’m not immune from just how powerful an argument this is,”


So, is that a Yes or a No?

:confused:

[marinello59]

Starmer on the possibility of Labour removing two-child benefit cap...


“I’m not going to put a date on these things, but I’m not immune from just how powerful an argument this is,”


So, is that a Yes or a No?

:confused:

That’s a belated realisation that not only is it the right thing to do, it’s a vote winner. Should have been in their manifesto.

[Andy Bee]

That’s a belated realisation that not only is it the right thing to do, it’s a vote winner. Should have been in their manifesto.

It's not a belated realisation, it's another cave in from a pathetic lil No10 wannabe. There was never a point that the two child benefit cap was the right thing to do, never.

[Ozyhibby]

It's not a belated realisation, it's another cave in from a pathetic lil No10 wannabe. There was never a point that the two child benefit cap was the right thing to do, never.

Not only is there no point to it and it’s cruel, it’s also a terrible idea when we have a declining birth rate. If the country want lower immigration then the only way it will be possible is if we start having more babies. Otherwise immigration is here to stay. And someone will need to start saying so.


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[Andy Bee]

Not only is there no point to it and it’s cruel, it’s also a terrible idea when we have a declining birth rate. If the country want lower immigration then the only way it will be possible is if we start having more babies. Otherwise immigration is here to stay. And someone will need to start saying so.


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Agreed, it's a despicable policy and at no point should Labour or Starmar have ever agreed with it, the fact he's hinting at U turning yet again just shows how weak he is, it's pathetic. I suppose one positive is if he does turn then consequentials can be diverted to the social tariff, this is no way to run a country though..

[marinello59]

Agreed, it's a despicable policy and at no point should Labour or Starmar have ever agreed with it, the fact he's hinting at U turning yet again just shows how weak he is, it's pathetic. I suppose one positive is if he does turn then consequentials can be diverted to the social tariff, this is no way to run a country though..

Did he agree with it? Bad enough he hasn’t committed to reversing it but I had no idea he was a supporter of the policy. Got a link to that?

[Andy Bee]

Did he agree with it? Bad enough he hasn’t committed to reversing it but I had no idea he was a supporter of the policy. Got a link to that?

Lol, Let's get things straight here, under some serious scrutiny from various media outlets, he doesn't want to reverse the policy, neither him or Sarwar, they both unequivocally do not want to reverse the policy. I'd say they both support it but if there's another word that covers some sort of grey area whereby you don't support something but agree with it then I'm all ears? :greengrin

[marinello59]

Lol, Let's get things straight here, under some serious scrutiny from various media outlets, he doesn't want to reverse the policy, neither him or Sarwar, they both unequivocally do not want to reverse the policy. I'd say they both support it but if there's another word that covers some sort of grey area whereby you don't support something but agree with it then I'm all ears? :greengrin

I’ve had a quick google and I can’t find any instance of either of them supporting or agreeing with it. Maybe not so much a grey area as some sort of black hole? :greengrin

Starmer’s stance has been it’s wrong but other things will have to take priority for now. He should have made it a priority, we both agree about that at least. But pretending that equates to support of the policy seems just a bit unfair. And I do try to be fair. :greengrin

[grunt]

I’ve had a quick google and I can’t find any instance of either of them supporting or agreeing with it. Maybe not so much a grey area as some sort of black hole? :greengrin

Starmer’s stance has been it’s wrong but other things will have to take priority for now. He should have made it a priority, we both agree about that at least. But pretending that equates to support of the policy seems just a bit unfair. And I do try to be fair. :greengrin
You want fair? How about, "he doesn't oppose it enough to want to do anything about it, despite being in a position to do something about it". Is that fair?

[Ozyhibby]

I’ve had a quick google and I can’t find any instance of either of them supporting or agreeing with it. Maybe not so much a grey area as some sort of black hole? :greengrin

Starmer’s stance has been it’s wrong but other things will have to take priority for now. He should have made it a priority, we both agree about that at least. But pretending that equates to support of the policy seems just a bit unfair. And I do try to be fair. :greengrin

There only two camps. Keeping it or not keeping it. The rest is BS.


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[Andy Bee]

There only two camps. Keeping it or not keeping it. The rest is BS.


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So Labour are in the camp of keeping it until Labour are in the camp of not keeping it so I'm assuming that's the BS camp,, I'm cool wi that. :greengrin