The future of the Labour Party

[Stairway 2 7]

He didn't bring up religion. He brought up Israeli lobbyists.

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Highlighted he's part of the Jewish Leadership Council and Israeli. What's taking money of an Israeli got to do with anything especially as it was pre this war.

If I said did you know Humza Yousaf took money from a Pakistani businessman! He wad also member of the Muslim council. You'd say why are you grouping that in with taking money from unsavoury groups. Is the guy bad or not his nationality is no relevance

[Kato]

Highlighted he's part of the Jewish Leadership Council and Israeli. What's taking money of an Israeli got to do with anything especially as it was pre this war.

If I said did you know Humza Yousaf took money from a Pakistani businessman! Who's also member of the Muslim council. You'd say why are you grouping that in with taking money from unsavoury groups. Is the guy bad or not his nationality is no relevance

What else would you call the Jewish Leadership Council?

Don't you think it's good to ask questions about who is lobbying our politicians?

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[Stairway 2 7]

What else would you call the Jewish Leadership Council?

Don't you think it's good to ask questions about who is lobbying our politicians?

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You said he didn't mention Jewish he said Israeli lobbyists, why is that relevant like it's a bad thing being Israeli. Why is his religion or nationality relevant. I bet he's taken donations from people from multiple nations but they don't make the list of shame.

[Stairway 2 7]

What else would you call the Jewish Leadership Council?

Don't you think it's good to ask questions about who is lobbying our politicians?

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Reminds me of 😆

https://youtu.be/yZ0-ayq_6Os?si=Ym4EBERUUWxZFkCk

Parents Randomly Mentioning Everyone's Race in Stories

[Kato]

You said he didn't mention Jewish he said Israeli lobbyists, why is that relevant like it's a bad thing being Israeli. Why is his religion or nationality relevant. I bet he's taken donations from people from multiple nations but they don't make the list of shame.I didn't say it was "bad".

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[Kato]

Reminds me of [emoji38]

https://youtu.be/yZ0-ayq_6Os?si=Ym4EBERUUWxZFkCk

Parents Randomly Mentioning Everyone's Race in StoriesYup. I have mentioned everyone's race all over the shop.

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[grunt]

What's 65k going to get you, is he going to privatise the NHS we've been hearing that since the 70s. NHS could do with a severe shake up but no one will do that they will just keep pumping money in with zero positive outcomes. As I say most of western Europe has privatisation and has better outcomes for all percentiles of the population. I'm deeply opposed to privatisation but we need to look at what they are getting right
Why give it then?

[grunt]

You said he didn't mention Jewish he said Israeli lobbyists, why is that relevant like it's a bad thing being Israeli. Why is his religion or nationality relevant. I bet he's taken donations from people from multiple nations but they don't make the list of shame.
Do you think the Israeli's are the good guys at the moment?

[Andy Bee]

What's 65k going to get you, is he going to privatise the NHS we've been hearing that since the 70s. NHS could do with a severe shake up but no one will do that they will just keep pumping money in with zero positive outcomes. As I say most of western Europe has privatisation and has better outcomes for all percentiles of the population. I'm deeply opposed to privatisation but we need to look at what they are getting right

I'm not sure what money from Jews or has to do with anything, why bring up someone's religion. It's not a crime to be from Israel that sounds a bit antisemitic no

I don't think Streetings got the power or the brains to do anything. Boris and Sunak didn't privatise the NHS and either will Starmer. There will be outsourcing. Scotland’s NHS is run by the SNP so I suppose it doesn't matter to us that much


Well this discussion has certainly livened up, where to start.

Firstly I pointed out that the quoted post from Ozzy was from David Powell, just because you don't know who he is doesn't make him some random Twitter guy, that's just laziness.

Secondly you tried to dismiss a £65k donation to a serving Health Secretary from a hedge fund manager who actually manages £500m worth of shares in the biggest private health insurance company in the world as likening it to you investing in Standard Life. WTF?

Thirdly and this is very important, you've reverted to calling me an anti-Semite, cheap shot really and I thought you were better than that. Read my post very carefully, I didn't mention the word "Israeli" anywhere, what I did type was "Israel lobbyist" which is completely different, one refers to what he is and the other i.e. Israel lobbyist is what he does, he lobbies for Israel. Nor did I mention or even know his religion. I have no clue if the guy is Israeli, Welsh or Chinese or indeed Jewish and TBH I don't really care. What I do know is you better be very careful in future when chucking around accusations like that, understood?

[Ozyhibby]

Well this discussion has certainly livened up, where to start.

Firstly I pointed out that the quoted post from Ozzy was from David Powell, just because you don't know who he is doesn't make him some random Twitter guy, that's just laziness.

Secondly you tried to dismiss a £65k donation to a serving Health Secretary from a hedge fund manager who actually manages £500m worth of shares in the biggest private health insurance company in the world as likening it to you investing in Standard Life. WTF?

Thirdly and this is very important, you've reverted to calling me an anti-Semite, cheap shot really and I thought you were better than that. Read my post very carefully, I didn't mention the word "Israeli" anywhere, what I did type was "Israel lobbyist" which is completely different, one refers to what he is and the other i.e. Israel lobbyist is what he does, he lobbies for Israel. Nor did I mention or even know his religion. I have no clue if the guy is Israeli, Welsh or Chinese or indeed Jewish and TBH I don't really care. What I do know is you better be very careful in future when chucking around accusations like that, understood?

Streeting’s value to these people is because he is health Secretary. If he goes to the back benches the gifts will dry up sharpish.
I’m not saying he will privatise the NHS totally. Just the odd contract here and there.
Whichever way you look at this, this stinks from the Labour Party. They are selling the country out for personal gain,


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/ian_fraser/status/1836444036409819223?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Stairway 2 7]

Do you think the Israeli's are the good guys at the moment?

You realise they are a nationality. The government are abhorrent and genocidal. The people are a mix of humans, I've never met them all but it's racist to tar them all as being anything. Youd never say do you think Pakistanis or Haitians are good guys, just Israelis it seems

[Ozyhibby]

You realise they are a nationality. The government are abhorrent and genocidal. The people are a mix of humans, I've never met them all but it's racist to tar them all as being anything. Youd never say do you think Pakistanis or Haitians are good guys, just Israelis it seems

I do it with the Russians. When I refer to the group I mean it’s govt. not all Russians are bad obviously but they are allowing themselves to be represented as such. Same with the Israelis. Not all Germans were bad in the 30’s but I’m sure people referred to them as a group either way.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/thesyriacmpgn/status/1836339095292854295?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Surely not?


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[Stairway 2 7]

I do it with the Russians. When I refer to the group I mean it’s govt. not all Russians are bad obviously but they are allowing themselves to be represented as such. Same with the Israelis. Not all Germans were bad in the 30’s but I’m sure people referred to them as a group either way.


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But Chinn is British he made his money selling cars in London. If someone called Humza Yousaf the Pakistani politician, I'd say that was wrong.

[Stairway 2 7]

Well this discussion has certainly livened up, where to start.

Firstly I pointed out that the quoted post from Ozzy was from David Powell, just because you don't know who he is doesn't make him some random Twitter guy, that's just laziness.

Secondly you tried to dismiss a £65k donation to a serving Health Secretary from a hedge fund manager who actually manages £500m worth of shares in the biggest private health insurance company in the world as likening it to you investing in Standard Life. WTF?

Thirdly and this is very important, you've reverted to calling me an anti-Semite, cheap shot really and I thought you were better than that. Read my post very carefully, I didn't mention the word "Israeli" anywhere, what I did type was "Israel lobbyist" which is completely different, one refers to what he is and the other i.e. Israel lobbyist is what he does, he lobbies for Israel. Nor did I mention or even know his religion. I have no clue if the guy is Israeli, Welsh or Chinese or indeed Jewish and TBH I don't really care. What I do know is you better be very careful in future when chucking around accusations like that, understood?

Understood aye no bother Andy. Trevor Chinn is British start with that. I didn't say you were an antisemite I don't know you. I said highlighting people's nationality only seems to be acceptable with Israelis, although Humza yousaf did get similar with meeting Pakistanis and other Muslims tbf. Most wouldn't call Humza a Palestinian lobbyist although he does lobby and raise money for Palestine, we'd call him a Scot. Being Israeli or Pakistani isn't a bad thing although undoubtedly the Israeli government is as evil as you can get.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://x.com/thesyriacmpgn/status/1836339095292854295?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Surely not?


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Abhorrent working with Syria in anyway, hes sick for suggesting it. Assad slaughtered and gassed his people with the help of Putin. The UK shouldn't use Libya like the EU currently does as the conditions in the Libyan migrant prisons are hell on earth

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/01/libya-eu-conditions-remain-hellish-as-eu-marks-5-years-of-cooperation-agreements/

Libya/EU: Conditions remain ‘hellish’ as EU marks 5 years of cooperation agreements
Over 82 000 refugees and migrants returned to Libya since deals were struck

Conditions for refugees and migrants in Libya ‘hellish’

The European Union must stop helping to return people to hellish conditions in Libya, Amnesty International said today as the bloc marks five years of formal cooperation to intercept refugees and migrants attempting to cross the Mediterranean. The number of people intercepted at sea and returned to Libya in the last five years is over 82 000.

Men, women and children returned to Libya face arbitrary detention, torture, cruel and inhuman detention conditions, rape and sexual violence, extortion, forced labour and unlawful killings. Instead of addressing this human rights crisis, the Libyan Government of National Unity (GNU) continues to facilitate further abuses and entrench impunity, as illustrated by its recent appointment of Mohamed al-Khoja as director of the Department for Combating Illegal Migration (DCIM). Al-Khoja was previously in effective control of the Tariq al-Sikka detention centre, where extensive abuses have been documented.

[Ozyhibby]

But Chinn is British he made his money selling cars in London. If someone called Humza Yousaf the Pakistani politician, I'd say that was wrong.

Sorry, hadn’t been following that discussion. Was just making a general point.


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[grunt]

You realise they are a nationality. The government are abhorrent and genocidal. The people are a mix of humans, I've never met them all but it's racist to tar them all as being anything. Youd never say do you think Pakistanis or Haitians are good guys, just Israelis it seems
You know full well what I mean.

[grunt]

I do it with the Russians. When I refer to the group I mean it’s govt. not all Russians are bad obviously but they are allowing themselves to be represented as such. Same with the Israelis. Not all Germans were bad in the 30’s but I’m sure people referred to them as a group either way.
Exactly.

[Lendo]

This BBC reporting on Sue Gray’s salary feels like a proper hit job. I wonder who is gunning for her.

“Why finding out about Sue Gray’s salary really matters” then goes on to not really explain why it REALLY matters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxgdgkew81o

[grunt]

This BBC reporting on Sue Gray’s salary feels like a proper hit job. I wonder who is gunning for her.

Article written by a guy who is paid more than Sue Gray.

[nonshinyfinish]

https://12ft.io/proxy

FYI – I've seen you post links like this a few times – they don't work.

If you want to link to an article unpaywalled by 12ft.io then this should work:

1. Paste the original link (e.g. https://www.thetimes.com/world/israel-hamas-war/article/how-did-israel-target-pagers-lebanon-5rzm8ch00) into 12ft.io and click 'clean webpage'

2. Once the page comes up, click back in your browser. You should still see the article, but the URL will now include the article URL (e.g. https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.com%2Fworld%2Fi srael-hamas-war%2Farticle%2Fhow-did-israel-target-pagers-lebanon-5rzm8ch00 instead of just https://12ft.io/proxy)

3. Share that URL, e.g. https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.com%2Fworld%2Fi srael-hamas-war%2Farticle%2Fhow-did-israel-target-pagers-lebanon-5rzm8ch00 and it should work for others

[Stairway 2 7]

FYI – I've seen you post links like this a few times – they don't work.

If you want to link to an article unpaywalled by 12ft.io then this should work:

1. Paste the original link (e.g. https://www.thetimes.com/world/israel-hamas-war/article/how-did-israel-target-pagers-lebanon-5rzm8ch00) into 12ft.io and click 'clean webpage'

2. Once the page comes up, click back in your browser. You should still see the article, but the URL will now include the article URL (e.g. https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.com%2Fworld%2Fi srael-hamas-war%2Farticle%2Fhow-did-israel-target-pagers-lebanon-5rzm8ch00 instead of just https://12ft.io/proxy)

3. Share that URL, e.g. https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.com%2Fworld%2Fi srael-hamas-war%2Farticle%2Fhow-did-israel-target-pagers-lebanon-5rzm8ch00 and it should work for others

Ah cheers I just used it like archive.ph which is hit and miss now, you don't have to go back to the article with that.

[Andy Bee]

Understood aye no bother Andy. Trevor Chinn is British start with that. I didn't say you were an antisemite I don't know you. I said highlighting people's nationality only seems to be acceptable with Israelis, although Humza yousaf did get similar with meeting Pakistanis and other Muslims tbf. Most wouldn't call Humza a Palestinian lobbyist although he does lobby and raise money for Palestine, we'd call him a Scot. Being Israeli or Pakistani isn't a bad thing although undoubtedly the Israeli government is as evil as you can get.


Jeezo, I'll repeat what you obviously didn't get. I said "Israel lobbyist" as in Israel the country. I did not at any point, point out the guys nationality. I'd be happy to be a Scotland lobbyist lobbying for Scotland there's no information in that statement that suggests I'm Scottish is there?

Ironically Trevor Chin was one of the big players in trying to tar Jeremy Corbyn as an anti-Semite, why would Wes Streeting accept money from someone who had history in throwing false accusations at his former leader? No need to answer that.

Lord Alli the Starmar clothes guy donated £584k to the Labour Party which resulted in him getting a pass for Downing St and sitting in on meetings so that proves it does get you advantages.

Labour received more donations during the election period than all other parties put together. Labour Together, why are they donating assistants to work in the offices of Angela Rayner, Rachel Reeves, Yvette Cooper, David Lammy, Ian Murray, John Healey, Shabana Mahmood, Nick Thomas-Symonds, and Louise Haigh via either secondment or funding? They're meant to be a think tank but a recent donation of £1.3m from a billionaire hedge fund manager suggests that there may be other motivations. Funnily enough our old friend Trevor Chinn is one of the main contributors. They've also put Sally Morgan on the board, the last board she served on was "PFI giant Carillion" when it went bust.

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2024/06/behind-labour-together

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/peston/status/1836790972514267607?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Funded by tax dodgers.


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[Andy Bee]

https://x.com/peston/status/1836790972514267607?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Funded by tax dodgers.


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If it hasn't happened already it wont be long before big business funding outweighs funding from the unions, what a weird Labour Party.

A bit more about Quadrature Capital....https://x.com/Ian_Fraser/status/1836444036409819223

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/labour-given-4m-from-tax-haven-based-hedge-fund-with-shares-in-oil-and-arms/

[CropleyWasGod]

https://x.com/peston/status/1836790972514267607?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Funded by tax dodgers.


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Peston is showing his ignorance. You can't tell from an extract from a set of published accounts why a company has paid the tax it has.

If he'd bothered to look at Note 6 (as that extract suggests), he'd get a lot more information. For example, the biggest part of the profit (in both those years) was the revaluation of its investments. That profit isn't taxable until the company sells them. They're not tax dodgers.

He's muck-raking for a cheap headline.

[Hiber-nation]

Peston is showing his ignorance. You can't tell from an extract from a set of published accounts why a company has paid the tax it has.

If he'd bothered to look at Note 6 (as that extract suggests), he'd get a lot more information. For example, the biggest part of the profit (in both those years) was the revaluation of its investments. That profit isn't taxable until the company sells them. They're not tax dodgers.

He's muck-raking for a cheap headline.

Is Peston so high profile because of his "quirky" delivery? I've never seen anything in his analysis that makes him suitable for such a plum job.

[grunt]

Is Peston so high profile because of his "quirky" delivery? I've never seen anything in his analysis that makes him suitable for such a plum job.
He takes an absolute age to make his point. Drives me mad.

[jamie_1875]

Is Peston so high profile because of his "quirky" delivery? I've never seen anything in his analysis that makes him suitable for such a plum job.

He broke early news of the near collapse of Northern Rock back in the day and how the Government was bailing it out, a pre cursor to the impending financial crisis. Seems to have been dining out on that ever since.

[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GX7yuK-WAAEUfSF?format=png&name=900x900

[Ozyhibby]

Wonder if Free Gear Keir has any time to sort this in between attending concerts and getting his wife’s wardrobe sorted?

https://x.com/s8mb/status/1837065610712272986?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

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[JimBHibees]

This BBC reporting on Sue Gray’s salary feels like a proper hit job. I wonder who is gunning for her.

“Why finding out about Sue Gray’s salary really matters” then goes on to not really explain why it REALLY matters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxgdgkew81o

Will be some tory

[Bostonhibby]

This BBC reporting on Sue Gray’s salary feels like a proper hit job. I wonder who is gunning for her.

“Why finding out about Sue Gray’s salary really matters” then goes on to not really explain why it REALLY matters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxgdgkew81oIf only they'd cared so passionately about getting to the bottom of Bozo's generous payments to Jennifer Arcuri.

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[Ozyhibby]

If only they'd cared so passionately about getting to the bottom of Bozo's generous payments to Jennifer Arcuri.

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I’m not worried about Gray’s salary but I am concerned that the corruption is continuing under Labour.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Starmer collected a fraction of Boriss donations but has had a multiple of 20 times the press, was always going to happen. Ive found almost all politicians are greedy and will take what they can. SNP with Souter, tories with Lebedev and Labour with Waheed Ali. They should just ban all donations above 3 figures and be done with it.

I just don't get the gray thing though, there are male advisers paid more than her so why is she news, probably an internal hit job from inside Labour


James O'Brien
@mrjamesob
The total of hospitality & gifts *declared* by Keir Starmer since 2019 is £12,500 *less* than Boris Johnson accepted from Lord Brownlow for home decor. He tried to keep this *secret* by claiming he couldn't remember who'd paid & had lost the phone containing all relevant messages

[Ozyhibby]

Starmer collected a fraction of Boriss donations but has had a multiple of 20 times the press, was always going to happen. Ive found almost all politicians are greedy and will take what they can. SNP with Souter, tories with Lebedev and Labour with Waheed Ali. They should just ban all donations above 3 figures and be done with it.

I just don't get the gray thing though, there are male advisers paid more than her so why is she news, probably an internal hit job from inside Labour


James O'Brien
@mrjamesob
The total of hospitality & gifts *declared* by Keir Starmer since 2019 is £12,500 *less* than Boris Johnson accepted from Lord Brownlow for home decor. He tried to keep this *secret* by claiming he couldn't remember who'd paid & had lost the phone containing all relevant messages

That these guys can be bought for less than the Tories isn’t really a defence though is it?


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/archrose90/status/1837214082061193572?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Stairway 2 7]

Wonder if Free Gear Keir has any time to sort this in between attending concerts and getting his wife’s wardrobe sorted?

https://x.com/s8mb/status/1837065610712272986?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240920/65029798154057c4298dd88874d9e0c6.jpg


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The threads good I can see why it's went viral, almost two decades of British stagnation.

Labour is proposing to do some on the list, we'll see. Unbanning onshore wind, nuclear reactor in Yorkshire announced this week, 1.5 million homes, planning reform but with little detail. 360,000 pages for the lower Thames Crossing is a British public funds scandal

[Bostonhibby]

I’m not worried about Gray’s salary but I am concerned that the corruption is continuing under Labour.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAll levels of outside cash, donations, links to other jobs, family members benefitting etc need to end but the scale of what Starmer has so far been involved with, and legally declared, is nothing like the legacy of corruption the previous gangsters were up to, it was cultural from the top down.

That said, labour have only just come to power, it's in their gift not to be the same. Am I optimistic?

No, not while we have the current rules and codes of conduct. Just because rules are constructed by the beneficiaries to keep their snouts in troughs doesn't make compliance with them ethically right.

I'm more worried about the health secretary than the PM, a bit too like Matt Hancock for me and some donors, who whilst all within rules, don't sit comfortably.


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[Ozyhibby]

All levels of outside cash, donations, links to other jobs, family members benefitting etc need to end but the scale of what Starmer has so far been involved with, and legally declared, is nothing like the legacy of corruption the previous gangsters were up to, it was cultural from the top down.

That said, labour have only just come to power, it's in their gift not to be the same. Am I optimistic?

No, not while we have the current rules and codes of conduct. Just because rules are constructed by the beneficiaries to keep their snouts in troughs doesn't make compliance with them ethically right.

I'm more worried about the health secretary than the PM, a bit too like Matt Hancock for me and some donors, who whilst all within rules, don't sit comfortably.


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The scale just reflects the fact that these guys can be bought for even less money.


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[Bostonhibby]

The scale just reflects the fact that these guys can be bought for even less money.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYes, you're not wrong.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/cutmytaxuk/status/1837231705687773522?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

What else is she lying about?


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[Hibrandenburg]

Is it really surprising that our government is only too willing to fill their pockets at the trough, when our head of state literally receives bags filled with cash from Arab Sheiks?

[Bostonhibby]

https://x.com/cutmytaxuk/status/1837231705687773522?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

What else is she lying about?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWho knows, but at least we can rely on our media to vigorously pursue the truth to the end, just like they did with their pals in the last government[emoji6]

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[Ozyhibby]

Who knows, but at least we can rely on our media to vigorously pursue the truth to the end, just like they did with their pals in the last government[emoji6]

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You know about what the last lot were up to so I suspect you read about it in the media?
The fault lies with us for just accepting it.


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[Bostonhibby]

You know about what the last lot were up to so I suspect you read about it in the media?
The fault lies with us for just accepting it.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkUsually Private Eye and sometimes the rest get involved, well after the event, and when they've little choice when the story's out.

Partygate for example

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[lapsedhibee]

Where's the best place to put a bet on Farage being PM in 2029? If Labour survive that long.

[Colr]

Where's the best place to put a bet on Farage being PM in 2029? If Labour survive that long.

John Bull-sit? You’re having a laugh!

[lapsedhibee]

John Bull-sit? You’re having a laugh!

Stonking Tory majority in 2019 disappeared like snow off a hot tin roof when a few scandals got enough publicity. Same can easily (more easily, in fact, given the state of the British media) happen to Labour. Question is, what would take its place? :dunno:

[Stairway 2 7]

Stonking Tory majority in 2019 disappeared like snow off a hot tin roof when a few scandals got enough publicity. Same can easily (more easily, in fact, given the state of the British media) happen to Labour. Question is, what would take its place? :dunno:

Hung parliament. Reform will grow but not a huge amount. Tories are going for an anti immigration candidate as Badendock and Jenrick are the clear favourites. Both have ruled out a future coalition but we'll see.

They still cancel each other out, this the latest uk poll from yesterday brings a massive labour majority due to them taking each other out. Still 5 years away though so doesn't show anything

@electpoliticsuk
Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 33% (-1)
CON: 21% (-3)
REF: 18% (+4)
LDM: 13% (+1)
GRN: 7% (=)
SNP: 2% (-1)

Via
@techneUK
, On 18-19 September,
Changes w/ GE2024

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/michaelsavage/status/1837579225018089576?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Still, at least he has all that free stuff.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/skynews/status/1837389446469095587?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Unbelievable.[emoji35]


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/mailonline/status/1837617677679935932?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

More bribes revealed. This lot are as bad as the Tories.


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[grunt]

https://x.com/mailonline/status/1837617677679935932?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

More bribes revealed. This lot are as bad as the Tories.
Why would someone pay for your birthday party? And why would she accept it? Do these MPs have no morals at all?

[Jack]

https://x.com/mailonline/status/1837617677679935932?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

More bribes revealed. This lot are as bad as the Tories.


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Looking at that cake and surroundings he obviously didn't pay much for the party!

The cake at my Granddaughter's 6th birthday party was much better!! She didn't pay for it - I did 😆

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/bbcpolitics/status/1837771734147088396?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Love how they are trying to explain away bribery and corruption as perfectly normal. These people are disgusting.


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[jamie_1875]

https://x.com/bbcpolitics/status/1837771734147088396?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Love how they are trying to explain away bribery and corruption as perfectly normal. These people are disgusting.


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All MPs from all parties do though, granted some considerably more than others and things like free suits and glasses does not feel right and acceptable but most MPs will take free hospitality at events and other freebies if they are being offered.

I don't think every example can be classed as bribery and corruption.

[Ozyhibby]

All MPs from all parties do though, granted some considerably more than others and things like free suits and glasses does not feel right and acceptable but most MPs will take free hospitality at events and other freebies if they are being offered.

I don't think every example can be classed as bribery and corruption.

It absolutely can and should be. Whataboutery does not cut it here. This is bribery and corruption.


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[jamie_1875]

It absolutely can and should be. Whataboutery does not cut it here. This is bribery and corruption.


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Is Stephen Flynn going to hospitality and getting centre court tickets at Wimbledon paid for by BP Plc bribery and corruption? Is he being bribed and is he corrupt?

I don't think he is.

[Ozyhibby]

Is Stephen Flynn going to hospitality and getting centre court tickets at Wimbledon paid for by BP Plc bribery and corruption? Is he being bribed and is he corrupt?

I don't think he is.

If he is then yes it is bribery and corruption.


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[jamie_1875]

If he is then yes it is bribery and corruption.


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Thats quite a take, the leader of the SNP at Westminster is corrupt.

[Stairway 2 7]

If he is then yes it is bribery and corruption.


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Flynn took a £30,000 donation from Allan MacAskill a renewable energy CEO this year for his campaign. I'm sure all of the posters above will say this is corruption bribery, what does he expect for his investment ect ect.

All politicians do it the tories took 13 million last year Labour 9. The press and lapdogs are only mentioning it against Labour now whilst being silent for 14 years due to anger about the tories losing.

Ban it for every politician or don't and accept it?

[lapsedhibee]

Thats quite a take, the leader of the SNP at Westminster is corrupt.

That would be the BBC Scotland take.

[Ozyhibby]

Flynn took a £30,000 donation from Allan MacAskill a renewable energy CEO this year for his campaign. I'm sure all of the posters above will say this is corruption bribery, what does he expect for his investment ect ect.

All politicians do it the tories took 13 million last year Labour 9. The press and lapdogs are only mentioning it against Labour now whilst being silent for 14 years due to anger about the tories losing.

Ban it for every politician or don't and accept it?

Ban it for every politician. No exceptions.


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[CropleyWasGod]

Ban it for every politician. No exceptions.


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Political parties rely on donations from the public and, in Labour's case, the unions.

How would they be funded if that wasn't allowed? And how would they fund their members' campaigns?

[lapsedhibee]

Political parties rely on donations from the public and, in Labour's case, the unions.

How would they be funded if that wasn't allowed? And how would they fund their members' campaigns?

People in Scotland have been arrested on the apparent grounds that money donated for one purpose was used for another. Couldn't that also happen in England if money donated for political party admin, campaigns, etc was used for designer specs, tickets to Wimbledon, etc?

[Ozyhibby]

Political parties rely on donations from the public and, in Labour's case, the unions.

How would they be funded if that wasn't allowed? And how would they fund their members' campaigns?

I would fund through the state or membership fees only. No donations over £1000 and all have to be blind.


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[CropleyWasGod]

I would fund through the state or membership fees only. No donations over £1000 and all have to be blind.


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Would that not restrict the ability of parties to get their message out, which in turn might be seen as undemocratic?

Would state funding result in spending cuts elsewhere? And how would it be allocated?


(Not disagreeing with you btw, just always wary of unintended consequences)

[CropleyWasGod]

People in Scotland have been arrested on the apparent grounds that money donated for one purpose was used for another. Couldn't that also happen in England if money donated for political party admin, campaigns, etc was used for designer specs, tickets to Wimbledon, etc?

I wish :cb

[RyeSloan]

Is Stephen Flynn going to hospitality and getting centre court tickets at Wimbledon paid for by BP Plc bribery and corruption? Is he being bribed and is he corrupt?

I don't think he is.

Sure many of us have taken the online courses in work on bribery and corruption.

This reads like one of the quiz questions at the end and that answer to it would be Yes.

It would appear that the rules for the politicians are rather different than for the rest of us mere mortals.

[Ozyhibby]

Would that not restrict the ability of parties to get their message out, which in turn might be seen as undemocratic?

Would state funding result in spending cuts elsewhere? And how would it be allocated?


(Not disagreeing with you btw, just always wary of unintended consequences)

It’s has to be cheaper than the mid allocation of funds we have just now with all the corruption.


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[Paul1642]

Sure many of us have taken the online courses in work on bribery and corruption.

This reads like one of the quiz questions at the end and that answer to it would be Yes.

It would appear that the rules for the politicians are rather different than for the rest of us mere mortals.

Exactly. Imagine a local Council planning department, Police Force, Court or so on taking a large donation from a business or individual, let alone an individual person within one of these organisations taking such a “gift”. It would be corrupt through and through, yet politicians have more influential power than the above and it’s somehow allowed.

If I took a cash donation of any amount from a member of the public at work I would expect to be out on my arse the moment it was discovered, and it's quite right that I would be.

Blows my mind and I don’t know why the media are only calling out individual cases rather than the whole system for what it is.

Ask yourself, why does a businessman or organisation give a large gift to a high ranking politician? It isn’t to be kind.

[Ozyhibby]

Exactly. Imagine a local Council planning department, Police Force, Court or so on taking a large donation from a business or individual, let alone an individual person within one of these organisations taking such a “gift”. It would be corrupt through and through, yet politicians have more influential power than the above and it’s somehow allowed.

If I took a cash donation of any amount from a member of the public at work I would expect to be out on my arse the moment it was discovered, and it's quite right that I would be.

Blows my mind and I don’t know why the media are only calling out individual cases rather than the whole system for what it is.

Ask yourself, why does a businessman or organisation give a large gift to a high ranking politician? It isn’t to be kind.

Watching Labour politicians on Sunday shows defending it gives me the boak.[emoji2961]


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[Hibrandenburg]

Watching Labour politicians on Sunday shows defending it gives me the boak.[emoji2961]


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No worries mate, there will be forensic tents appearing all over the country in MP's front gardens soon.

[Bostonhibby]

Ban it for every politician. No exceptions.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAgree with this but don't see it happening any time soon unfortunately.

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[Bostonhibby]

Now that's what I call a "donation".[emoji849] https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240922/cfa153633f283c54a5cd814142fc2dc6.jpg

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[cabbageandribs1875]

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[Stairway 2 7]

Could be huge but I'm completely dubious until results come. Housing is the biggest issue facing under 40s imo opinion. My biggest wish for Labour is for them to act on housing. A set standard for acceptance of planning in an area would be fantastic

https://x.com/LiamThorpECHO/status/1837574446661415340

Also read about this outside the Labour conference. A net zero home built in two days by octopus energy
https://x.com/ClemCowton/status/1837851977327296646
@ClemCowton
This house at Labour Party Conference was built in *2 days* and is a Zero Bills home - uses solar panels, a battery and a heat pump to guarantee no energy bills for at least 5 years

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/lucygjwhite/status/1837929393437774077?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

They just like laughing at us.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://x.com/lucygjwhite/status/1837929393437774077?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

They just like laughing at us.


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Yep they do. Stephen Flynn making a joke about Starmer’s suits on the same year he took 30k from a north east energy CEO.

https://x.com/StephenFlynnSNP/status/1836910821005300042

[Andy Bee]

I'm actually warming to Martin Geissler but it may be because he's making this Hertz fud squirm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIcj7IH-5ck

*Warning* 22bn mentions of the £22bn black hole.

[Andy Bee]

Well it seems it was Sue Gray who sanctioned Lord Alli's security pass to Downing St, coincidentally after him giving £10k towards Liam Conlons election campaign. Nae probs, or maybe a slight prob, just a wee one, Liam Conlon happens to be Sue Grays son. :hmmm: nope no advantages, hell no, it's integrity central here. ****** £22bn black hole, blame the Tories.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1838084204858311021?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A
Corruption is ok if you have kids who really really want to see Taylor Swift.[emoji849][emoji35]


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/timesradio/status/1838159875505045615?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Good from Mathew Syed.[emoji122]
Will they listen? Zero chance.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1838084204858311021?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A
Corruption is ok if you have kids who really really want to see Taylor Swift.[emoji849][emoji35]


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Do you think the SNP MPs are corrupt there's only a couple that never registered a donation last year, surely Stephen Flynn getting money from a businessman in his area is the most straight line.

I don't think they are or the majority of Labour, Lib Dem and tories who are taking these smaller perks. I think they are like most in these level of jobs who take bonuses as a given. I've had plenty of freebies and corporate days in my time. It's obviously the system that has to change as nothing illegal has happened and almost every one of them does it.

[Ozyhibby]

Do you think the SNP MPs are corrupt there's only a couple that never registered a donation last year, surely Stephen Flynn getting money from a businessman in his area is the most straight line.

I don't think they are or the majority of Labour, Lib Dem and tories who are taking these smaller perks. I think they are like most in these level of jobs who take bonuses as a given. I've had plenty of freebies and corporate days in my time. It's obviously the system that has to change as nothing illegal has happened and almost every one of them does it.

It is the system that needs changed. And Labour have spent the last few years calling out the Tories for it but are now doing the exact same thing.
Change the system so that no gifts or donations are allowed full stop. You want to lobby an mp then you can set up a meeting in their office but no gifts or money should ever change hands. I don’t care what party it is.
Always saying it was within the rules is taking the piss. The rules need changed.


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[Andy Bee]

https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1838084204858311021?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A
Corruption is ok if you have kids who really really want to see Taylor Swift.[emoji849][emoji35]


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So we've got the PM and his wife, boss of the Treasury, the education minister and the Chancellor of the Exchequer all at Taylor Swift, Angela Rayner couldn't go as she was living it up with Sam Tarry in Lord Allis £2.5m penthouse in New York.

The most worrying thing with all of this is if some dictator like Putin or Kim Jong Un decide to start a war we've literally got a team of Swifties leading the defence of our country. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

So we've got the PM and his wife, boss of the Treasury, the education minister and the Chancellor of the Exchequer all at Taylor Swift, Angela Rayner couldn't go as she was living it up with Sam Tarry in Lord Allis £2.5m penthouse in New York.

The most worrying thing with all of this is if some dictator like Putin or Kim Jong Un decide to start a war we've literally got a team of Swifties leading the defence of our country. :greengrin

To be fair to Lord Alli, all he asked in return was to be able to select all of the countries mp’s.

https://x.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1838132437273981414?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Moulin Yarns]

From Martin Lewis on threads


What's fascinating about my poll today (see previous post) on PM clothing budget is the HUGE variance across platforms (exact same wording used). Currently

Twitter: YES 40%, NO 60%
Threads: YES 78%, NO 22%
Facebook: YES 12%, NO 88%

[Stairway 2 7]

To be fair to Lord Alli, all he asked in return was to be able to select all of the countries mp’s.

https://x.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1838132437273981414?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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What did they want in return from the SNP MPs. You keep saying stuff like corruption and money for favour with Labour but when it's pointed out the SNP mps took donations its the system that is wrong.

Obviously the system is wrong but if one is corruption and for favour then Flynn, Wisart, Blackford ect are corrupt too

Labour are hypocrites for highlighting the Tory donations when every MP was at it. Flynn is too as his is probably the most directly suspicious. Papers are only interested in Labour though even though tories took more per head

[Ozyhibby]

What did they want in return from the SNP MPs. You keep saying stuff like corruption and money for favour with Labour but when it's pointed out the SNP mps took donations its the system that is wrong.

Obviously the system is wrong but if one is corruption and for favour then Flynn, Wisart, Blackford ect are corrupt too

Labour are hypocrites for highlighting the Tory donations when every MP was at it. Flynn is too as his is probably the most directly suspicious. Papers are only interested in Labour though even though tories took more per head

I’m not given anyone a pass. It’s corruption whatever party. And it needs to stop. I’ve been very clear that it’s wrong for the SNP to take these gifts as well. It’s disgusting.
I said so in response to a poster yesterday. I make no distinction on party or the amount taken or even the excuse offered. I think it’s a corrupt practise and the rules and laws need to change.


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[Andy Bee]

I’m not given anyone a pass. It’s corruption whatever party. And it needs to stop. I’ve been very clear that it’s wrong for the SNP to take these gifts as well. It’s disgusting.
I said so in response to a poster yesterday. I make no distinction on party or the amount taken or even the excuse offered. I think it’s a corrupt practise and the rules and laws need to change.


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The SNP seem to be completely **** at it anyway what with Neil Gray getting caught in the Oasis ticket que. He should've had a word with Lord Alli the ticketmaster.

Sarwar seems a wee bit better as him and Ian Murray had a corporate hospitality day at the Liverpool game on the dime of the Salmon farming lobby group.

[Andy Bee]

Labour going a wee bit SNPish at Conference.

https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1838136807243882833

[Stairway 2 7]

The SNP seem to be completely **** at it anyway what with Neil Gray getting caught in the Oasis ticket que. He should've had a word with Lord Alli the ticketmaster.

Sarwar seems a wee bit better as him and Ian Murray had a corporate hospitality day at the Liverpool game on the dime of the Salmon farming lobby group.
Flynn and David Linden got given League cup final corporate in England, Pete Wishart the brits and Stewart Hosie got a season hospitality pass for Dundee United so they are not bad at it.

I agree it needs banned for all even though I don't think there is anything in it

[Andy Bee]

Update from todays conference from Angela Rayner............https://x.com/NotFarLeftAtAll/status/1838157248213733742

[jamie_1875]

Flynn and David Linden got given League cup final corporate in England, Pete Wishart the brits and Stewart Hosie got a season hospitality pass for Dundee United so they are not bad at it.

I agree it needs banned for all even though I don't think there is anything in it

Interesting to see Wishart declares his Royalties from Runrig, a grand total of about £2,250 in 2023.

The Scottish Greens got in on the act offering lunches with Patrick Harvey or Lorna Slater for £700, imagine paying £700 to sit down to a tofu burger with one of them.

[Bostonhibby]

Interesting to see Wishart declares his Royalties from Runrig, a grand total of about £2,250 in 2023.

The Scottish Greens got in on the act offering lunches with Patrick Harvey or Lorna Slater for £700, imagine paying £700 to sit down to a tofu burger with one of them.

Agree, not quite the £250k to watch Bozo sucking spaghetti hoops through a straw or £50k to batter tennis balls at him, but to be fair that seems to have been cornered by select Russian donors.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Why are labour making such a big deal of how female their cabinet and top positions are, tories have had 3 female PMs and labour hasn't had a female leader

[Ozyhibby]

Why are labour making such a big deal of how female their cabinet and top positions are, tories have had 3 female PMs and labour hasn't had a female leader

Nothing else to talk about?[emoji2369]


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[Stairway 2 7]

Nothing else to talk about?[emoji2369]


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Does seem low on substance high on promises, although it's too boring for me to watch much. Roll on the budget, not sure if I can stand another month of rumour and waffle

[Ozyhibby]

Does seem low on substance high on promises, although it's too boring for me to watch much. Roll on the budget, not sure if I can stand another month of rumour and waffle

I just seen a headline that they are going to crack down on benefit scroungers, so that should put a spring in their step.


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[Andy Bee]

After Ian Murray spitting feathers about Martin Geissler suggesting he uses his £150m war chest to mitigate the cut on the Scottish pensioners WFP and referring to it as a made up figure by journalists. We have this......

https://x.com/paulhutcheon/status/1838245594390806900

[Kato]

Russian donors.





Apparently among the things that are far worse than taking money from Putin's gangster-gang cartel are watching Arsenal and Taylor Swift whilst nicely togged up.

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[Kato]

After Ian Murray spitting feathers about Martin Geissler suggesting he uses his £150m war chest to mitigate the cut on the Scottish pensioners WFP and referring to it as a made up figure by journalists. We have this......

https://x.com/paulhutcheon/status/1838245594390806900Murray is a jambo. The words "war chest" are way too triggering for him when on the telly.

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[JimBHibees]

I'm actually warming to Martin Geissler but it may be because he's making this Hertz fud squirm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIcj7IH-5ck

*Warning* 22bn mentions of the £22bn black hole.

Murray is absolutely odious

[Ozyhibby]

Listening to their conference this week I hadn’t realised just how little of a plan they had for power? They seem to be completely devoid of anything to say?
It seems as though they were not just being careful in order to get elected. They genuinely don’t seem to have an idea of what they are there for.


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[Andy Bee]

Listening to their conference this week I hadn’t realised just how little of a plan they had for power? They seem to be completely devoid of anything to say?
It seems as though they were not just being careful in order to get elected. They genuinely don’t seem to have an idea of what they are there for.


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To return the sausages obviously............https://x.com/Exploding_Heads/status/1838571779058491721

[Keith_M]

To return the sausages obviously............https://x.com/Exploding_Heads/status/1838571779058491721


That was unfortunate.


On the bright side, his PR team finally persuaded him to at least say something about Gaza

[Ozyhibby]

That was unfortunate.


On the bright side, his PR team finally persuaded him to at least say something about Gaza

It’s a slip of the tongue. Amusing but nothing more.
The lack of substance on what their plans are is more of a concern.


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[Keith_M]

It’s a slip of the tongue. Amusing but nothing more.
The lack of substance on what their plans are is more of a concern.



Agreed.

[CropleyWasGod]

To return the sausages obviously............https://x.com/Exploding_Heads/status/1838571779058491721

Link?

[Andy Bee]

Link?

Wurst pun I've ever read :greengrin

[grunt]

Link?
Sauce?

[Andy Bee]

It’s a slip of the tongue. Amusing but nothing more.
The lack of substance on what their plans are is more of a concern.


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Ahh just trying to lighten the mood Ozzy after a rather depressing showing of the people with power that could change things.

I was at the Scottish Currency Group Conference over the weekend, yup sad I know but some of the ideas on offer there were absolutely eye opening. Common Weals Green New Deal was discussed, a Scottish Stock Exchange and the history of previous Scottish exchanges. Talks from serious experts in their fields around currency and the implementation of a Central Bank. Listening to that made me realise there's no political party today that are either capable or incentivised enough to deliver what's needed. They're miles off.

For example The Green New Deal, £170bn investment into electricity generation and linked into either insulation retrofitting of older houses or the building of new social housing fully insulated, heat pumps, district heating systems, then tied into heavy industry which rely on heavy use of electricity e.g. Hydrogen creation, aluminium smelting, steel industry and data storage etc. Tied in again to energy storage and smart storage, transport, land, the list goes on. It was really mind blowing and we get £8.3bn over 5 years for GB Energy headquartered in Aberdeen and whatever that turns out to be as the crowning moment of the conference, it's depressing.

https://commonweal.scot/big-ideas/a-real-green-new-deal-for-scotland/

[Andy Bee]

Sauce?

Banger :agree:

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/toryfibs/status/1838649657540419950?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[grunt]

Pretty much indistinguishable from the Tories in some respects.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYPGX4OWEAA29Ak?format=jpg&name=medium

[Bostonhibby]

Pretty much indistinguishable from the Tories in some respects.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYPGX4OWEAA29Ak?format=jpg&name=mediumThis socialist wants any UK government to root out fraud, even our current centre right government.

I'd really like to see the same energy and visibility being applied to the pledge to pursue funds fraudulently obtained during the Covid crisis.

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[grunt]

This socialist wants any UK government to root out fraud, even our current centre right government.

I'd really like to see the same energy and visibility being applied to the pledge to pursue funds fraudulently obtained during the Covid crisis.

Agreed. But it's a question of scale; there are many bigger areas of fraud - as you mention - which should be addressed before benefit fraud. It's also about the messaging - first we come for the pensioners, next we go after those on benefits.

[Bostonhibby]

Agreed. But it's a question of scale; there are many bigger areas of fraud - as you mention - which should be addressed before benefit fraud. It's also about the messaging - first we come for the pensioners, next we go after those on benefits.

Yep, bit of a soundbite I guess.

I know a few (older) tory voters where I live who are absolutely fixated on nailing anything to do with specific groups they regard as not deserving of benefits, specifically single mothers and the usual generic banner of "foreigners". It's a debate I've stopped having.

They really don't get too concerned about the great selective give away of tax payers money disguised as Covid contracts but are utterly riled at losing out on fuel allowances, needed or not - one example is abroad on holidays / cruises for months on end and boasts about pensions income in excess of 60k a year as well as his fuel use being negligible.

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[Ozyhibby]

Agreed. But it's a question of scale; there are many bigger areas of fraud - as you mention - which should be addressed before benefit fraud. It's also about the messaging - first we come for the pensioners, next we go after those on benefits.

They could start by not awarding govt contracts to any company registered in a tax haven.


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[Jack]

They could start by not awarding govt contracts to any company registered in a tax haven.


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You know in all my born years of slagging governments of all hues I've never thought of that!

Great idea 💡

[Bostonhibby]

They could start by not awarding govt contracts to any company registered in a tax haven.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAbsolutely. And abolish tax benefits of being non domiciled for any non dom who actually lives here for anytime or has residency here. There's usually something that ties them into the country, they just want those privileges at the least possible price.

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[CropleyWasGod]

They could start by not awarding govt contracts to any company registered in a tax haven.


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It doesn't matter where a company is registered, if it trades in the UK it is liable for UK Corporation Tax.

This was something that the Yes campaign nailed during the Indyref campaign, when there was a stooshie about RBS moving its Head Office to London. Its Scottish profit would still be taxable in indyScotland, its rUK profits in rUK.

[CropleyWasGod]

Absolutely. And abolish tax benefits of being non domiciled for any non dom who actually lives here for anytime or has residency here. There's usually something that ties them into the country, they just want those privileges at the least possible price.

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The Tories were committed to abolishing non-dom status from next year, and Labour are following that.

https://www.bdo.co.uk/en-gb/insights/tax/private-client/abolishing-non-dom-status-what-happens-now

[Bostonhibby]

The Tories were committed to abolishing non-dom status from next year, and Labour are following that.

https://www.bdo.co.uk/en-gb/insights/tax/private-client/abolishing-non-dom-status-what-happens-now[emoji106]

I lool forward to the delivery and the detail

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[grunt]

It doesn't matter where a company is registered, if it trades in the UK it is liable for UK Corporation Tax.

This was something that the Yes campaign nailed during the Indyref campaign, when there was a stooshie about RBS moving its Head Office to London. Its Scottish profit would still be taxable in indyScotland, its rUK profits in rUK.
Easy to write, nigh on impossible to calculate.

[CropleyWasGod]

Easy to write, nigh on impossible to calculate.

Not really.

Ideally, RBS (Scotland) would be a separate company from RBS (UK), so profits easy to calculate. If not that, then divisional accounting would come into play. RBS(British Isles) would make 2 separate Tax Returns, one for Scotland and one for rUK.

That's not really different to the current situation, where UK-based banks have foreign operations, and are taxed accordingly.

The challenge is to monitor and assess inter-group transactions, which can be manipulated to the group's best advantage. That is no different to what happens currently with multinationals.

Which brings us back to Labour, and how they intend to deal with that particular challenge, and how they intend to liaise with the EU.

[Ozyhibby]

It doesn't matter where a company is registered, if it trades in the UK it is liable for UK Corporation Tax.

This was something that the Yes campaign nailed during the Indyref campaign, when there was a stooshie about RBS moving its Head Office to London. Its Scottish profit would still be taxable in indyScotland, its rUK profits in rUK.

And yet the are still based in those tax havens. Let’s change the law and either bring them back or let new companies based here compete for the work.
Won’t happen though. Keir will trade it all for designer specs.


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[Moulin Yarns]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/461077677_8313146278768575_7161704785905449064_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=aa7b47&_nc_ohc=vEi32eM6Uk8Q7kNvgHO5s2W&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&_nc_gid=At8b6uzUj_gs_Mrh-rB22Dv&oh=00_AYAsHz8-2S-Vzqe2b4qitzANSgIzZ2LP9A2Bo1lef-o3UA&oe=66F8F76D

Has anyone asked, are they halal sausages? Or just a hostage to fortune???

[CropleyWasGod]

And yet the are still based in those tax havens. Let’s change the law and either bring them back or let new companies based here compete for the work.
Won’t happen though. Keir will trade it all for designer specs.


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There may be many reasons for their being based in so-called tax havens. Tax, though, isn't one of them.

Public disclosure would be one of them, for the same reason Bydand is registered in Delaware, with its loose regulatons on publishing detail.

I agree with your competition point, although isn't that what happens already? (Covid-contracts aside).

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/danneidle/status/1838887150797943156?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Interesting thread on where the money will come from to avoid austerity.
If they are serious about it and want reform of public services then most of these will need considered.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Reeves says there won't be austerity and real time spending will increase each of the next 5 years. There is also rumours she wants to change the fiscal rules so investment linked to growth isn't included in the spending calculations eg housebuilding, energy generating infrastructure and hospital building. Guardian saying it could unlock an extra £15 billion this budget. Could be a risk but I'm usually for infrastructure projects

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/sep/23/rachel-reeves-defends-labour-cuts-winter-fuel-allowance

[Andy Bee]

https://x.com/danneidle/status/1838887150797943156?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Interesting thread on where the money will come from to avoid austerity.
If they are serious about it and want reform of public services then most of these will need considered.


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A few of these were discussed by Richard Murphy (the juries out on this one) on Sunday. I've never understood why when the Government ask the BoE to create money the BoE who are effectively owned by the Government charge interest at base rate on it. The high rate relief cut on pensions is a no brainer.

[Stairway 2 7]

No fault evictions eventually banned but Milliband hinting that landlords will have to make there homes energy efficient by 2030 to cut bills for renters. Not sure how practical it will be or how they will enforce it though

https://archive.is/CPVBa

[lapsedhibee]

Must have been planning to do his revision in the front garden, I suppose.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-final-day-of-labour-conference-to-focus-on-health-as-pm-prepares-to-make-un-debut-12593360?postid=8327923

[Jack]

No fault evictions eventually banned but Milliband hinting that landlords will have to make there homes energy efficient by 2030 to cut bills for renters. Not sure how practical it will be or how they will enforce it though

https://archive.is/CPVBa

The energy thing would be easy. Landlords need to get some form of Home Report before they are allowed to advertise a property. Similar to the energy section of those selling houses in Scotland at the moment.

[Ozyhibby]

The energy thing would be easy. Landlords need to get some form of Home Report before they are allowed to advertise a property. Similar to the energy section of those selling houses in Scotland at the moment.

It is straight forward, a lot of houses already have them. The cost will inevitably be put on to the end users though which is the poor tenants.


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[Andy Bee]

The energy thing would be easy. Landlords need to get some form of Home Report before they are allowed to advertise a property. Similar to the energy section of those selling houses in Scotland at the moment.

Landlords already need to provide an EPC report to rent out property, they were trying to get landlords to get their properties to a minimum of band C but that was either scrapped or postponed, it looks like that'll be back on the cards. Older properties could be a nightmare to get to that level.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/pippacrerar/status/1839000073125925236?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Free luxury flats now.[emoji849]


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[Keith_M]

https://x.com/pippacrerar/status/1839000073125925236?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Free luxury flats now.[emoji849]


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It was for the sake of the kids.... and no money was involved

...ehm...ehm... and everybody else would have done the same.

[JimBHibees]

https://x.com/pippacrerar/status/1839000073125925236?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Free luxury flats now.[emoji849]


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As bad as the tories and how pitiful are his comments about the Middle east and Israel. Absolute charlatan

[J-C]

https://x.com/pippacrerar/status/1839000073125925236?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Free luxury flats now.[emoji849]


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Why does this not surprise me, the watery Tories, ahem Labour are as bad as the Tories, the peoples party hasn't existed since Blair and his cronies rebranded then back in the day.

[Kato]

Why does this not surprise me, the watery Tories, ahem Labour are as bad as the Tories, the peoples party hasn't existed since Blair and his cronies rebranded then back in the day.It's impossible to be a socialist party if you allow neoliberalism to be the default setting in your country. Neoliberalism is anti-municipal and cash only trickles upwards.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/burnsidewastosh/status/1839203902828220750?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[JimBHibees]

It's impossible to be a socialist party if you allow neoliberalism to be the default setting in your country. Neoliberalism is anti-municipal and cash only trickles upwards.

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Not sure I know what neo liberalism is. Are you able to explain your last sentence Genuinely don't know not trying to be funny.

[JimBHibees]

https://x.com/burnsidewastosh/status/1839203902828220750?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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:greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/beckettunite/status/1839545154564133199?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

[emoji849]


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://x.com/beckettunite/status/1839545154564133199?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

[emoji849]


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The reports are saying they will still go ahead with it but the spending watchdog has told them it'll only bring in the low hundred millions. Will billionaires move their affairs abroad, I can't see it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/sep/25/labour-crackdown-on-non-doms-may-raise-no-money-officials-fear

Labour crackdown on non-doms may raise no money, officials fear
Exclusive: Watchdog may conclude that emigration of wealthy individuals could actually cost Treasury revenue

[grunt]

Ian Murray, Labour Liar?

https://x.com/Davyjrob67/status/1839409271882313883

[Jack]

Ian Murray, Labour Liar?

https://x.com/Davyjrob67/status/1839409271882313883

I wonder if he and Sarwar feel any embarrassment at all?

They don't seem to.

[grunt]

I wonder if he and Sarwar feel any embarrassment at all?

They don't seem to.
I think the primary requirement to be an MP in 2024 is a solid brass neck.

[Kato]

Not sure I know what neo liberalism is. Are you able to explain your last sentence Genuinely don't know not trying to be funny.It's the philosophy that "free market forces" are the solution to everything, that a state's obligations to its infrastructure should be handed over to private companies to run, that the deregulation of banking laws are good for everyone and that the wealth that these companies acrue will trickle down to make everyone richer.

After 40 years it's been shown to be a crock but any move or word against it is portrayed, by the billionaires who run the media, as madness, loony leftism or "communism".

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[Bostonhibby]

It's the philosophy that "free market forces" are the solution to everything, that a state's obligations to its infrastructure should be handed over to private companies to run, that the deregulation of banking laws are good for everyone and that the wealth that these companies acrue will trickle down to make everyone richer.

After 40 years it's been shown to be a crock but any move or word against it is portrayed, by the billionaires who run the media, as madness, loony leftism or "communism".

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkA pretty damn near accurate description, and with a few gaps we've been the Guinea pigs for this for a good few decades now irrespective of who governments are.

Fear of those who control the Macro economy and media tends to see even the abysmally performing side of this "free market" do rather well out of it and not really carry much of the down side risk.

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[JimBHibees]

It's the philosophy that "free market forces" are the solution to everything, that a state's obligations to its infrastructure should be handed over to private companies to run, that the deregulation of banking laws are good for everyone and that the wealth that these companies acrue will trickle down to make everyone richer.

After 40 years it's been shown to be a crock but any move or word against it is portrayed, by the billionaires who run the media, as madness, loony leftism or "communism".

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Thanks cheers for that. As you say sounds like a crock

[Ozyhibby]

A pretty damn near accurate description, and with a few gaps we've been the Guinea pigs for this for a good few decades now irrespective of who governments are.

Fear of those who control the Macro economy and media tends to see even the abysmally performing side of this "free market" do rather well out of it and not really carry much of the down side risk.

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I don’t think we have free markets in the UK. Just about every sector is geared towards helping the incumbents. There is very little competition.


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[Andy Bee]

Not sure I know what neo liberalism is. Are you able to explain your last sentence Genuinely don't know not trying to be funny.

It's a system which favours profit and big business over health and wellbeing Jim. It's when your complete mindset is chasing things like growth, big business profits, GDP, deregulation and reduced Government spending over equality, health, wellbeing and happiness for the majority. It's basically trickle down economics on steroids which has been proven not to work years ago. A good example of the outcome from recent history would be Grenfell where a building was created for the poorest in society surrounded by the most affluent, created in the cheapest, quickest way possible and driven by profit rather than the safety of the people living there. The UK is basically North Kensington and the vast majority of us live in Grenfell, some of us have decent apartments with say a lovely view, a nice car parked outside and maybe even things like a Jacuzzi or a huge state of the art TV, some of us are different races or religions but ultimately we all live in a ticking timebomb surrounded by the most privileged sitting safely in their Kensington mansions. The mainstream media then try to apportion blame to separate floors causing division and diverting from the real problems which are created by the actual architects of Grenfell, the mansion dwellers outside. :greengrin

It's the method used as to why around only 50 families in the UK own approx 50% of the wealth at the same time as there's record homelessness and child poverty.

Edit.....lol, that'll teach me to leave a post sitting in the reply box for ages. Kato explains it far more eloquently above. :greengrin

[Kato]

It's a system which favours profit and big business over health and wellbeing Jim. It's when your complete mindset is chasing things like growth, big business profits, GDP, deregulation and reduced Government spending over equality, health, wellbeing and happiness for the majority. It's basically trickle down economics on steroids which has been proven not to work years ago. A good example of the outcome from recent history would be Grenfell where a building was created for the poorest in society surrounded by the most affluent, created in the cheapest, quickest way possible and driven by profit rather than the safety of the people living there. The UK is basically North Kensington and the vast majority of us live in Grenfell, some of us have decent apartments with say a lovely view, a nice car parked outside and maybe even things like a Jacuzzi or a huge state of the art TV, some of us are different races or religions but ultimately we all live in a ticking timebomb surrounded by the most privileged sitting safely in their Kensington mansions. The mainstream media then try to apportion blame to separate floors causing division and diverting from the real problems which are created by the actual architects of Grenfell, the mansion dwellers outside. :greengrin

It's the method used as to why around only 50 families in the UK own approx 50% of the wealth at the same time as there's record homelessness and child poverty.

Edit.....lol, that'll teach me to leave a post sitting in the reply box for ages. Kato explains it far more eloquently above. :greengrinEnjoyed the rant, Andy.

The measure of neoliberalism is disparity.. and the increase in disparity alongside the fraying edges of the UKs ability to do anything right, shows its a system for the rich. Everybody else is shrapnel.

The poor people who cheer for the rich to get richer because [points to union jack] are the biggest idiots ever born.

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[Bostonhibby]

I don’t think we have free markets in the UK. Just about every sector is geared towards helping the incumbents. There is very little competition.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI agree, we have a dysfunctional poorly regulated series of cartels at the top who overcharge for poorer quality and poorer service.

All while rewarding themselves and the political class pretty well

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[Kato]

I agree, we have a dysfunctional poorly regulated series of cartels at the top who overcharge for poorer quality and poorer service.

All while rewarding themselves and the political class pretty well

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I agree that we have a dysfunctional poorly regulated series of cartels but the powers that be aren't going to describe them as such, so call them free market forces.

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[JimBHibees]

It's a system which favours profit and big business over health and wellbeing Jim. It's when your complete mindset is chasing things like growth, big business profits, GDP, deregulation and reduced Government spending over equality, health, wellbeing and happiness for the majority. It's basically trickle down economics on steroids which has been proven not to work years ago. A good example of the outcome from recent history would be Grenfell where a building was created for the poorest in society surrounded by the most affluent, created in the cheapest, quickest way possible and driven by profit rather than the safety of the people living there. The UK is basically North Kensington and the vast majority of us live in Grenfell, some of us have decent apartments with say a lovely view, a nice car parked outside and maybe even things like a Jacuzzi or a huge state of the art TV, some of us are different races or religions but ultimately we all live in a ticking timebomb surrounded by the most privileged sitting safely in their Kensington mansions. The mainstream media then try to apportion blame to separate floors causing division and diverting from the real problems which are created by the actual architects of Grenfell, the mansion dwellers outside. :greengrin

It's the method used as to why around only 50 families in the UK own approx 50% of the wealth at the same time as there's record homelessness and child poverty.

Edit.....lol, that'll teach me to leave a post sitting in the reply box for ages. Kato explains it far more eloquently above. :greengrin

Enjoyed that thanks you explain what i see also

[Bostonhibby]

I agree that we have a dysfunctional poorly regulated series of cartels but the powers that be aren't going to describe them as such, so call them free market forces.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkI think a more political, yet truly socio economic way of putting it is to say turkeys don't bite the hand that feeds them, or something like that[emoji16]

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[lapsedhibee]

It's the philosophy that "free market forces" are the solution to everything, that a state's obligations to its infrastructure should be handed over to private companies to run, that the deregulation of banking laws are good for everyone and that the wealth that these companies acrue will trickle down to make everyone richer.

After 40 years it's been shown to be a crock but any move or word against it is portrayed, by the billionaires who run the media, as madness, loony leftism or "communism".


Marxist!

[Kato]

Marxist!Well I never.

Am glad that this conversation isn't taking on Facebook or it would be a pile on from a gang of "Farquars" saying I'm a traitor and that I "don't understand how the world works" and asking me to "define what a woman is" in between them racking up the likes on Farages posts.

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[Bostonhibby]

Well I never.

Am glad that this conversation isn't taking on Facebook or it would be a pile on from a gang of "Farquars" saying I'm a traitor and that I "don't understand how the world works" and asking me to "define what a woman is" in between them racking up the likes on Farages posts.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkHave to say I always though there was a missing Marx brother and all these years later we solve it on Hibs.net.

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[Kato]

Have to say I always though there was a missing Marx brother and all these years later we solve it on Hibs.net.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkThose are my principles, if you don't like them, I have others.

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[Bostonhibby]

Those are my principles, if you don't like them, I have others.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkI wouldn't join any club that would have me as a member[emoji16]

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[lapsedhibee]

The measure of neoliberalism is disparity.. and the increase in disparity alongside the fraying edges of the UKs ability to do anything right, shows its a system for the rich. Everybody else is shrapnel.

The poor people who cheer for the rich to get richer because [points to union jack] are the biggest idiots ever born.


Timely article on the effects of neoliberalism from an ecological rather than political point of view.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/27/bluefin-tuna-uk-waters-fishing-industry-government

[Kato]

Timely article on the effects of neoliberalism from an ecological rather than political point of view.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/27/bluefin-tuna-uk-waters-fishing-industry-government...clicking through brought up this which has a good description of the history and application of neoliberalism.

I used the word "municipal" as in neoliberalism being "anti-municipal" carefully. It's the most corrosive ideology out there and we have lived with it for over 40 years now. I don't see anything in the Labour Partys outlook that is looking to reverse it. Maybe they'll open Blair's box of sticking plasters again.

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[Ozyhibby]

Timely article on the effects of neoliberalism from an ecological rather than political point of view.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/27/bluefin-tuna-uk-waters-fishing-industry-government

Bad decisions are not just the preserve of the capitalist world. Communism and authoritarian regimes in general have a far worse environmental record.


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[Andy Bee]

Bad decisions are not just the preserve of the capitalist world. Communism and authoritarian regimes in general have a far worse environmental record.


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I suppose you could still have a functioning capitalist system with the environment, health and wellbeing at the forefront. I don't think anyone is suggesting profit is a bad thing.

[lapsedhibee]

Bad decisions are not just the preserve of the capitalist world. Communism and authoritarian regimes in general have a far worse environmental record.

:agree:

[cabbageandribs1875]

Rosie Duffield quits British Labour (6) "Rosie Duffield" - Search / X (https://x.com/search?q=%22Rosie%20Duffield%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends)

not too sure she will be that much a loss tbf, but at least she knows what the new new British Labour party are all about

[Andy Bee]

Rosie Duffield quits British Labour (6) "Rosie Duffield" - Search / X (https://x.com/search?q=%22Rosie%20Duffield%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends)

not too sure she will be that much a loss tbf, but at least she knows what the new new British Labour party are all about

Now that's a pretty damning letter of resignation, ouch.


In other news.....Another £16k worth of clothes found in Starmars register of interests filed under "Office support" that's £32k worth of clobber so far, the boy must have a serious wardrobe.

[Ozyhibby]

Now that's a pretty damning letter of resignation, ouch.


In other news.....Another £16k worth of clothes found in Starmars register of interests filed under "Office support" that's £32k worth of clobber so far, the boy must have a serious wardrobe.

Is Lord Alli running Britain?


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[Stairway 2 7]

Is Lord Alli running Britain?


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30k to own Starmer and the UK. So 30k that Flynn took and 9k forbes took is Scotland owned by someone too? Both took free tickets last year too so we might be knackered between Labour and the SNP

[Stairway 2 7]

Rosie Duffield quits British Labour (6) "Rosie Duffield" - Search / X (https://x.com/search?q=%22Rosie%20Duffield%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends)

not too sure she will be that much a loss tbf, but at least she knows what the new new British Labour party are all about
Will give her the freedom to increase her trans issue output from 90% to 100%.

[jamie_1875]

Is Lord Alli running Britain?


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In what way?

[Ozyhibby]

In what way?

Wasn’t someone from his staff responsible for vetting all the new Labour MP’s? That’s a lot of power for one man who is not elected?


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[jamie_1875]

Wasn’t someone from his staff responsible for vetting all the new Labour MP’s? That’s a lot of power for one man who is not elected?


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I don't know how it works but isn't that the case with all parties? Does John Swinney personally vet all SNP candidates or does he rely on someone else?

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/sep/27/peer-gave-keir-starmer-more-clothes-worth-16000-declared-as-money-for-private-office?CMP=share_btn_url

Starmer sat through all those interviews knowing he was hiding even more gifts.


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[Andy Bee]

Is Lord Alli running Britain?


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Don't know about running the country but he certainly has his people in places of power. So far I haven't seen any cabinet member that hasn't accepted something from him which is weird because some of the donations date back to years before the election, Liz Kendell being an example. It's reported that he helped fund the downfall of Corbyn and Momentum and I can't see any ministers that were supported by Momentum anywhere near the cabinet and a lot are out the party completely. The usual get-out statement of being transparent they're using is questionable as they're using generic descriptions in their register of interests, Rachel Reeves as an example used "office support" to describe £7.5k worth of dresses as did Starmar with at least £16k worth of his clothes. It's all just a wee bit weird. The more sinister donation is the £4m just before the election from the Cayman Islands company.

[JimBHibees]

Don't know about running the country but he certainly has his people in places of power. So far I haven't seen any cabinet member that hasn't accepted something from him which is weird because some of the donations date back to years before the election, Liz Kendell being an example. It's reported that he helped fund the downfall of Corbyn and Momentum and I can't see any ministers that were supported by Momentum anywhere near the cabinet and a lot are out the party completely. The usual get-out statement of being transparent they're using is questionable as they're using generic descriptions in their register of interests, Rachel Reeves as an example used "office support" to describe £7.5k worth of dresses as did Starmar with at least £16k worth of his clothes. It's all just a wee bit weird. The more sinister donation is the £4m just before the election from the Cayman Islands company.

Bizarrely also had access to 10 Downing street

[Ozyhibby]

It’s bizarre Labour are still going with the ‘within the rules’ defence? The public hate the rules. It’s undermining everything they do.


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[Andy Bee]

It’s bizarre Labour are still going with the ‘within the rules’ defence? The public hate the rules. It’s undermining everything they do.


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Pat McFadden using this very defence. When mortgage relief was stopped by Parliament Pat lost the 600 odd quid he was claiming. To compensate he rented the house next door, claimed the rent back on expenses and then rented his own house out to someone else. "All within the rules".

https://x.com/J4m35c4mpb3ll/status/1840409184094843166

[cabbageandribs1875]

free gear Keir Lie Number 46274

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYy02SHWcAAoeGj?format=jpg&name=large

[Ozyhibby]

free gear Keir Lie Number 46274

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYy02SHWcAAoeGj?format=jpg&name=large

https://x.com/faisalislam/status/1841119843560362396?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Small independent Ireland taking a different approach.


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[Andy Bee]

https://x.com/faisalislam/status/1841119843560362396?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Small independent Ireland taking a different approach.


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They're gonna really be kicking themselves for leaving the UK.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/pippacrerar/status/1841174656830881908?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

More Labour lies.


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[Andy Bee]

https://x.com/pippacrerar/status/1841174656830881908?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

More Labour lies.


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How can they find £Bn's of infrastructure cuts when it's been getting cut for over a decade? I've got a real fear of this upcoming budget.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://x.com/pippacrerar/status/1841174656830881908?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

More Labour lies.


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Some papers are wrong then as a number today are saying Labour will announce HS2 will now go to Euston station. Many others are saying Reeves will change fiscal rules so they can spend another £50 billion on infrastructure projects. Obviously can't believe all the reports as some have to be wrong

[Andy Bee]

There's also rumours awash that they're going to raise Uni fees to £10.5k a year, the party that was going to abolish them not long ago.

[Ozyhibby]

There's also rumours awash that they're going to raise Uni fees to £10.5k a year, the party that was going to abolish them not long ago.

That will be Scotland as well if they win in 2026.


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[Andy Bee]

That will be Scotland as well if they win in 2026.


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:agree: Yup,

I can't even **** off to Spain because that's bolloxed to, this is depressing.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/pippacrerar/status/1841479480797196763?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/alexharmstrong/status/1841573197759820118?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Nothing to see here.[emoji35]


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[cabbageandribs1875]

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Labour donor anticipates honour after backing party’s election campaign, wife claims (archive.ph) (https://archive.ph/ee0lH)

***T

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/jimbomorrison/status/1842157889323974758?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Fair description of Labour’s new wheeze Carbon capture and storage.


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[Lendo]

Sue Gray quits.

[Moulin Yarns]

Sue Gray quits.

Did anyone see that coming?

[Jack]

Did anyone see that coming?

Not on the money she was on!

[lapsedhibee]

Sue Gray quits.

Kuenssberg, Peston and Watt will be beside themselves with excitement about something that doesn't matter at all to the rest of the country.

[Col2]

I am a year from having access to my pension. I have saved (salary sacrifice) over the past 30 years in company pensions (private sector) and while I won’t retire when I am 55 (I wish) IF labour remove the 25% tax free lump sum I will lose my ****. This seems to be one of the rumours doing the round.

What they will end up doing is forcing those very dependent on taking a lump sum when 55 or when scheme allows and end up paying tax on it when they don’t expect. For many it will be the difference of people in the 50s having to work 2-3 years more or not being able to pay off mortage or plans they had in place.

The pensions market will be hit. People will stop saving. A pathetic tax grab.

What politicians don’t understand is the impact the short term selfish decisions they make. Starmer those with the broadest shoulders is all very well but it’s not the millionaires who don’t pay tax or much of it as it’s difficult to get hold off and is time consuming. It will be middle earners screwed to pay more into a system with even worse public services. I don’t have a problem paying more in Scotland given the clear benefits of Uni fees, prescriptions etc which benefits so many.

[DaveF]

I am a year from having access to my pension. I have saved (salary sacrifice) over the past 30 years in company pensions (private sector) and while I won’t retire when I am 55 (I wish) IF labour remove the 25% tax free lump sum I will lose my ****. This seems to be one of the rumours doing the round.

What they will end up doing is forcing those very dependent on taking a lump sum when 55 or when scheme allows and end up paying tax on it when they don’t expect. For many it will be the difference of people in the 50s having to work 2-3 years more or not being able to pay off mortage or plans they had in place.

The pensions market will be hit. People will stop saving. A pathetic tax grab.

What politicians don’t understand is the impact the short term selfish decisions they make. Starmer those with the broadest shoulders is all very well but it’s not the millionaires who don’t pay tax or much of it as it’s difficult to get hold off and is time consuming. It will be middle earners screwed to pay more into a system with even worse public services. I don’t have a problem paying more in Scotland given the clear benefits of Uni fees, prescriptions etc which benefits so many.

I hope that this is nothing more than a rumour. I'm in the same boat as you and it would be a huge kick in the nuts if they did that.

[JimBHibees]

I hope that this is nothing more than a rumour. I'm in the same boat as you and it would be a huge kick in the nuts if they did that.

Me too. Maybe Waheed could cover it

[Stairway 2 7]

I am a year from having access to my pension. I have saved (salary sacrifice) over the past 30 years in company pensions (private sector) and while I won’t retire when I am 55 (I wish) IF labour remove the 25% tax free lump sum I will lose my ****. This seems to be one of the rumours doing the round.

What they will end up doing is forcing those very dependent on taking a lump sum when 55 or when scheme allows and end up paying tax on it when they don’t expect. For many it will be the difference of people in the 50s having to work 2-3 years more or not being able to pay off mortage or plans they had in place.

The pensions market will be hit. People will stop saving. A pathetic tax grab.

What politicians don’t understand is the impact the short term selfish decisions they make. Starmer those with the broadest shoulders is all very well but it’s not the millionaires who don’t pay tax or much of it as it’s difficult to get hold off and is time consuming. It will be middle earners screwed to pay more into a system with even worse public services. I don’t have a problem paying more in Scotland given the clear benefits of Uni fees, prescriptions etc which benefits so many.

I think the rumour comes from the IFS recommending only 100k tax free it's currently just over 250k. That would affect 1 in 5 private pension holders. It seems a big jump down from what it is currently

[Col2]

I think the rumour comes from the IFS recommending only 100k tax free it's currently just over 250k. That would affect 1 in 5 private pension holders. It seems a big jump down from what it is currently

Yup. I think you are right. But those ‘rules’ have been in place for many 18 years and ironically introduced under Blair govt. the maximum anyone can take is £268k so if it was reduced to £100k that would mean tax on £168k of higher earner of say 42% which equals £70k hit. Just like that.

So you make a long term commitment to your future based on rules of almost 20 years ago and Reeves rocks up and takes a huge amount from you just like that. To pay for infrastructure ? Better public services? Nope to try and balance the books while cutting back everywhere else.

[Andy Bee]

I am a year from having access to my pension. I have saved (salary sacrifice) over the past 30 years in company pensions (private sector) and while I won’t retire when I am 55 (I wish) IF labour remove the 25% tax free lump sum I will lose my ****. This seems to be one of the rumours doing the round.

What they will end up doing is forcing those very dependent on taking a lump sum when 55 or when scheme allows and end up paying tax on it when they don’t expect. For many it will be the difference of people in the 50s having to work 2-3 years more or not being able to pay off mortage or plans they had in place.

The pensions market will be hit. People will stop saving. A pathetic tax grab.

What politicians don’t understand is the impact the short term selfish decisions they make. Starmer those with the broadest shoulders is all very well but it’s not the millionaires who don’t pay tax or much of it as it’s difficult to get hold off and is time consuming. It will be middle earners screwed to pay more into a system with even worse public services. I don’t have a problem paying more in Scotland given the clear benefits of Uni fees, prescriptions etc which benefits so many.


I don't think they'll do that, especially in your position where you have clear plans for the short term which will be seriously affected. I don't even know if they'd be allowed to do it straight away. If they're going to do that they'd need to give a realistic time frame, say 15 years like they did with raising the pension age. The more realistic option I reckon they'll do is to cut the benefits of salary sacrifice to take you out of paying the higher tax band e.g. earning £50k and sacrificing £8k into your pension to save paying the 42% on it. It'll still hurt the pensions market. Disclaimer though, this is Starmer and Reeves the people that cut £300 from pensioners two months before they were going to receive it, anythings possible.

[Ozyhibby]

I don't think they'll do that, especially in your position where you have clear plans for the short term which will be seriously affected. I don't even know if they'd be allowed to do it straight away. If they're going to do that they'd need to give a realistic time frame, say 15 years like they did with raising the pension age. The more realistic option I reckon they'll do is to cut the benefits of salary sacrifice to take you out of paying the higher tax band e.g. earning £50k and sacrificing £8k into your pension to save paying the 42% on it. It'll still hurt the pensions market. Disclaimer though, this is Starmer and Reeves the people that cut £300 from pensioners two months before they were going to receive it, anythings possible.

2 months for poorer pensioners, 15 years for richer pensioners seems perfectly possible in the UK.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

UK’s £22bn carbon capture pledge follows surge in lobbying by fossil fuel industry, records show | Energy industry | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/oct/07/uks-22bn-carbon-capture-pledge-follows-surge-in-lobbying-by-fossil-fuel-industry-records-show?fbclid=IwY2xjawFwvUZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHXxMit5-CRq5xuZwVWLPqNJEhCnZ7uTWnGquAVYAaCdiUy2hOfcL1F_k9Q _aem_itmwcCnmPwExOIsPI7tVyw)

[Andy Bee]

2 months for poorer pensioners, 15 years for richer pensioners seems perfectly possible in the UK.


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Sadly putting it that way makes it sound more realistic with this Government.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-10-06/starmer-forced-into-messy-reset-less-than-100-days-in?srnd=homepage-uk

https://x.com/leftiestats/status/1843243651360825839?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Col2]

I don't think they'll do that, especially in your position where you have clear plans for the short term which will be seriously affected. I don't even know if they'd be allowed to do it straight away. If they're going to do that they'd need to give a realistic time frame, say 15 years like they did with raising the pension age. The more realistic option I reckon they'll do is to cut the benefits of salary sacrifice to take you out of paying the higher tax band e.g. earning £50k and sacrificing £8k into your pension to save paying the 42% on it. It'll still hurt the pensions market. Disclaimer though, this is Starmer and Reeves the people that cut £300 from pensioners two months before they were going to receive it, anythings possible.

Agree with all the logic. However they want cash now and need to steel it off people now to pay for consumption activity rather than investment.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20241008/3aad2b276f9d188634ce59dced6bef2b.jpg

To be fair, this actually works with the Scottish electorate.


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[Moulin Yarns]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20241008/3aad2b276f9d188634ce59dced6bef2b.jpg

To be fair, this actually works with the Scottish electorate.


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Vote in Holyrood today.

[Andy Bee]

Vote in Holyrood today.


Swinneys motion carried 99 for and 14 assuming Scottish Labour against. Richard Leonard and Alex Rowley voted with the SNP.

[JimBHibees]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20241008/3aad2b276f9d188634ce59dced6bef2b.jpg

To be fair, this actually works with the Scottish electorate.


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You couldn’t mark Sarwars neck with a blowtorch

[Bostonhibby]

You couldn’t mark Sarwars neck with a blowtorchCould give it a go though, Arc welding plant might make an impression.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/benarty/status/1843893470660047070?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Pay to play.[emoji106]


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[cabbageandribs1875]

absolute shower of ****s Labour are, Blue or Red makes no difference whatsoever
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[Kato]

The whole lobbying system needs outlawed.

We vote for people to represent us in parliament and in effect with the current lobbying system in place a large part of our suffrage has been "privatised" - using the word in the sense of the con-trick that has beleaguered the public since the 80s.

None of the privatised entities work for our benefit, privitising our representation means we have zero say in the direction of the country. Unless your a loon who imagines the billionaires care a jot about anyone.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Notice Kamala has just passed the $1 billion mark for her presidential campaign. They don't mess about, some senators get millions from companies our clowns get FA Cup final tickets. It needs banned though, all parties are at it so until they agree on it, it'll stay

[cabbageandribs1875]

oh dear, shockerooni


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/markkleinmansky/status/1844707609128927518?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Ofwat are notoriously strict regulators right enough.[emoji23]


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1844436459790663891?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20241012/7bbca0bda4c7f75959bddd1fea6ab975.jpg

Democracy the Labour way.[emoji849]


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[Bostonhibby]

https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1844436459790663891?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20241012/7bbca0bda4c7f75959bddd1fea6ab975.jpg

Democracy the Labour way.[emoji849]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThis is a huge disappointment, even if it is only a means to an end in the current antiquated system it would be perfectly possible to deliver on the promise to end this gravy train given the sizeable majority labour have.

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[Andy Bee]

Angela Rayner and Louise Haigh under pressure because of DP world the owners of P&O pulling out of a £1bn investment in a London port. Both Haigh and Rayner were both critical over the companys history with P&Os antics in using fire and rehire a couple of years ago.

https://x.com/brexitblog_info/status/1844748392938733735

[lapsedhibee]

This is a huge disappointment, even if it is only a means to an end in the current antiquated system it would be perfectly possible to deliver on the promise to end this gravy train given the sizeable majority labour have.


Andrea Jenkyns, a person for whom the description airhead could have been invented, makes laws for the country we live in. WHY OH WHY.

[Ozyhibby]

Angela Rayner and Louise Haigh under pressure because of DP world the owners of P&O pulling out of a £1bn investment in a London port. Both Haigh and Rayner were both critical over the companys history with P&Os antics in using fire and rehire a couple of years ago.

https://x.com/brexitblog_info/status/1844748392938733735

They were right to be critical.


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[Bostonhibby]

They were right to be critical.


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And it remains to be seen if the investment is actually "lost". It's almost as if the blogger has an agenda or knows more than everyone else.

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[Andy Bee]

They were right to be critical.


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I agree, I'm not so sure Starmer does though.

[Paul1642]

They were right to be critical.


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Agree. Sacking 800 British workers to replace with lower paid overseas workers is exactly what a principled government should be calling out. I know investment is important but at what cost?

[Andy Bee]

Macquarie the Australian Bank reported to be investing £20bn in renewables in the UK. These are the people that doubled Thames Water debt at the same time as giving close to a £1bn in dividends. :hmmm: So we've got the Norwegian Government, the Danish, French, Spanish, Canadian public sector workers pension fund, Icelandic and more Governments investing in the main in Scottish energy. Are we in a situation where the Scottish Government is the only Government not allowed to invest in its own energy generation?

[Paul1642]

Macquarie the Australian Bank reported to be investing £20bn in renewables in the UK. These are the people that doubled Thames Water debt at the same time as giving close to a £1bn in dividends. :hmmm: So we've got the Norwegian Government, the Danish, French, Spanish, Canadian public sector workers pension fund, Icelandic and more Governments investing in the main in Scottish energy. Are we in a situation where the Scottish Government is the only Government not allowed to invest in its own energy generation?

And they aren’t investing out of kindness. More privatisation of some thing that should be public.

[Bostonhibby]

And they aren’t investing out of kindness. More privatisation of some thing that should be public.Yep, the UK core national assets have long been flogged off into the hands of underperforming cartels who reward themselves handsomely, or foreign investors who do it for one main reason - high returns from lightly (poorly) regulated industries.



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[Stairway 2 7]

Macquarie the Australian Bank reported to be investing £20bn in renewables in the UK. These are the people that doubled Thames Water debt at the same time as giving close to a £1bn in dividends. :hmmm: So we've got the Norwegian Government, the Danish, French, Spanish, Canadian public sector workers pension fund, Icelandic and more Governments investing in the main in Scottish energy. Are we in a situation where the Scottish Government is the only Government not allowed to invest in its own energy generation?

I've put up a number of Commonweal articles being angry campaigning with no use in the end for Scot Gov not to privatise our renewables, Commonweal ended up helping the Welsh government when Scot ignored them. Scot wind will get us £700 million initially and £50 to £90 annually. The private companies like the Danish government, BP and Shell will get £3.5 to £5.5 billion in profits annually. We've actually just used the £700 scotwind money to plug a hole in the budget but we won't be able to do that next year whilst the companies will still be making their millions

https://commonweal.scot/policies/scotwind-privatising-scotlands-future-again/

ScotWind: Privatising Scotland’s Future Again


https://robinmcalpine.org/scotwind-makes-hypocrites-of-the-indy-movement/

For years the independence movement has been arguing that Scotland needs to take a different path than Westminster. ScotWind makes all of those arguments hypocritical

[Andy Bee]

I've put up a number of Commonweal articles being angry campaigning with no use in the end for Scot Gov not to privatise our renewables, Commonweal ended up helping the Welsh government when Scot ignored them. Scot wind will get us £700 million initially and £50 to £90 annually. The private companies like the Danish government, BP and Shell will get £3.5 to £5.5 billion in profits annually. We've actually just used the £700 scotwind money to plug a hole in the budget but we won't be able to do that next year whilst the companies will still be making their millions

https://commonweal.scot/policies/scotwind-privatising-scotlands-future-again/

ScotWind: Privatising Scotland’s Future Again


https://robinmcalpine.org/scotwind-makes-hypocrites-of-the-indy-movement/

For years the independence movement has been arguing that Scotland needs to take a different path than Westminster. ScotWind makes all of those arguments hypocritical

Not arguing over the Scotwind auction because I agree with you, I've never understood it.

Regards what other options the SG have though, they couldn't ask for a percentage of ownership in Scotwind because generation is devolved as is transmission and storage so effectively we are in the weird position that the only Government in the world that can't invest in Scottish energy is the Scottish Government. I've read what McAlpine says but there is differences between the Wales Act and the Scotland Act which give Wales slightly more power.

[Stairway 2 7]

Not arguing over the Scotwind auction because I agree with you, I've never understood it.

Regards what other options the SG have though, they couldn't ask for a percentage of ownership in Scotwind because generation is devolved as is transmission and storage so effectively we are in the weird position that the only Government in the world that can't invest in Scottish energy is the Scottish Government. I've read what McAlpine says but there is differences between the Wales Act and the Scotland Act which give Wales slightly more power.

It's in the article and it was proposed pre the auction, SNP were interested at first but then went with privatisation. The Welsh policy is similar to what was proposed by common weal and was under our devolved powers

-If Scotland had launched a series of agencies as called for by Common Weal and as accepted by SNP and Scottish Green party policy, the ScotWind project could have remained entirely owned and operated from within Scotland.

― Had Scotland launched a National Energy Company capable of owning ScotWind, it would have been well placed to deliver billions in profits to Scotland every year that will now instead be shipped overseas to private shareholders or invested in the public services of those countries who have deployed their own nationalised companies in Scotland.

― Scotland must build up that capacity now so that it is ready to capture the results of the next energy auction and can position itself to nationalise ScotWind assets when their leases are poised for renewal.

― Combining Common Weal’s policies in this area would result in multiple agencies taking on different aspects of a project like ScotWind:

― A National Investment Bank would provide stable finance and anchor investment.

― A Scottish Energy Development Agency would strategically plan where the next tranche of assets should be deployed and identify where support infrastructure (such as the National Grid) should be reinforced or supply chain gaps filled.

― A National Infrastructure Company would co-ordinate the construction contracts, commission training from extant energy companies and ensure that workers are Justly Transitioned into the new sector.

― The National Energy Company would own and maintain the energy assets, deliver energy to customers and return profits for the public purse.

https://commonweal.scot/welsh-ambitions-are-powering-ahead-of-scotlands/

Fantastic news from the Welsh Government this week. As reported by the BBC, Wales is to get its own asset-owning public company that will focus on developing windfarms on Welsh government-owned woodland, with the intention that profits from sales of electricity will be ploughed back into local communities. And if you’re thinking that the proposals look remarkably similar to what we set out in our Powering Our Ambitions policy paper then you’d be right. Behind the scenes, we got wind of the plan early on (excuse the pun), and our work has informed the development of the company.

I don’t think we can understate just how important this news is, both for the people of Wales and as an example of what Common Weal and all our wonderful supporters can do. It’s just a pity that it’s not happening in Scotland

[Andy Bee]

Wales and Scotland are different in that Wales is allowed to setup a company which could be involved in electricity generation, Scotland is completely different in that the UKG prohibits the Scottish Government doing the same and keeps those powers reserved, as is the case for transmission and storage. Craig Dalzell actually jokes that technically the Scottish Government are breaking the terms of the Scotland Act if they have a packet of spare batteries in a Government building storage locker, it's that broad.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV3MRR1JYOU&t=698s

[Stairway 2 7]

Wales and Scotland are different in that Wales is allowed to setup a company which could be involved in electricity generation, Scotland is completely different in that the UKG prohibits the Scottish Government doing the same and keeps those powers reserved, as is the case for transmission and storage. Craig Dalzell actually jokes that technically the Scottish Government are breaking the terms of the Scotland Act if they have a packet of spare batteries in a Government building storage locker, it's that broad.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV3MRR1JYOU&t=698s

Did you read the article above where Dalzell we can start an energy company which can own electricity generation means and Scot gov were interested before choosing not too. Keith Baker in the other article above also says we can and that it was growing traction in the SNP before getting shelved. Robin Mcalpine also wrote a policy paper saying similar, creating a nationalised company who can generate power.

[Andy Bee]

Did you read the article above where Dalzell we can start an energy company which can own electricity generation means and Scot gov were interested before choosing not too. Keith Baker in the other article above also says we can and that it was growing traction in the SNP before getting shelved. Robin Mcalpine also wrote a policy paper saying similar, creating a nationalised company who can generate power.


Craig Dalzell is the one that wrote the policy which Wales was interested in. He's also the one that says the rules are clear "The Scottish Government are explicitly prohibited from owning electricity generation, transmission or storage in Scotland". The previous motion put forward was for an energy retail company which would've been a catastrophe at that time, it would've folded along with Bulb and all the rest of the smaller players. Did you watch the video?

[Stairway 2 7]

Craig Dalzell is the one that wrote the policy which Wales was interested in. He's also the one that says the rules are clear "The Scottish Government are explicitly prohibited from owning electricity generation, transmission or storage in Scotland". The previous motion put forward was for an energy retail company which would've been a catastrophe at that time, it would've folded along with Bulb and all the rest of the smaller players. Did you watch the video?

Nah it lasts an hour I've read his policy paper where they say open a retail company, that company owns the generation so it'd wouldn't have folded it would have the billions of profits that were sold off

https://commonweal.scot/policies/scotwind-privatising-scotlands-future-again/

Overview —
A response to the initial auction of options for ScotWind – the largest offshore wind project yet developed in Scotland’s waters.

Instead of mass-privatisation along the same lines as was done during the development of Scotland’s oil, Common Weal offers a nationalisation plan that could have been deployed using policies currently endorsed by the parties of the Scottish Government.

Credits—
Craig Dalzell

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-If Scotland had launched a series of agencies as called for by Common Weal and as accepted by SNP and Scottish Green party policy, the ScotWind project could have remained entirely owned and operated from within Scotland.

― Had Scotland launched a National Energy Company capable of owning ScotWind, it would have been well placed to deliver billions in profits to Scotland every year that will now instead be shipped overseas to private shareholders or invested in the public services of those countries who have deployed their own nationalised companies in Scotland.

― Scotland must build up that capacity now so that it is ready to capture the results of the next energy auction and can position itself to nationalise ScotWind assets when their leases are poised for renewal.

― Combining Common Weal’s policies in this area would result in multiple agencies taking on different aspects of a project like ScotWind:

― A National Investment Bank would provide stable finance and anchor investment.

― A Scottish Energy Development Agency would strategically plan where the next tranche of assets should be deployed and identify where support infrastructure (such as the National Grid) should be reinforced or supply chain gaps filled.

― A National Infrastructure Company would co-ordinate the construction contracts, commission training from extant energy companies and ensure that workers are Justly Transitioned into the new sector.

― The National Energy Company would own and maintain the energy assets, deliver energy to customers and return profits for the public purse

[Andy Bee]

Watch the video from 5.00mins to 6.30mins, it makes things pretty clear.

[Stairway 2 7]

Watch the video from 5.00mins to 6.30mins, it makes things pretty clear.

Have you listened to it I stopped when he literally says ways round it like separating the regions who can own generation like Aberdeen council already does or do as his policy paper above says and privatise a company that can own generation. I'd give the policy a read it shows how we could have chosen not to privatise our renewables

[Andy Bee]

Have you listened to it I stopped when he literally says ways round it like separating the regions who can own generation like Aberdeen council already does or do as his policy paper above says and privatise a company that can own generation. I'd give the policy a read it shows how we could have chosen not to privatise our renewables

Its always been the case that regional councils can own generation, the Aberdeen one quoted was an offshore wind farm owned by Aberdeen council, the Tory council sold it when they got into power which is what would happen with every other opposition council. Neither of the options above end in a normal publicly owned generation company as it's reserved, it's there in black and white on the reserved powers list. Do you honestly think the UKG and Mr Starmer, Murray etall would allow anything that resembles a publicly owned energy generation company bringing in £Bns to the Scottish economy along with cheap energy for Scottish people, cheap energy to entice big energy intensive business like steel, Hydrogen, data storage for the upcoming AI revolution etc? You know that's a naw.

The only policy I'm interested in is the New Green Energy Deal, we need our own currency, heavy industry like steel and Grangemouth reinstated and serious immigration along with housing, these can't be done by skirting around the edges looking for loopholes and stuck in a perpetual constitutional loop of one side trying to get the better of the other.

[Andy Bee]

Anyways, enough of the Scottish utopia, back to the "future of the Labour Party"

Wes Streeting reckons fat (TBF he calls them obese) unemployed folk should be offered the anti fat jab to get them back in employment :rotflmao: Erm so who actually decides someone is overweight and needs this jab? Do you go to the Dole Office (is that still a thing?) and offer yourself up for work only to be told nah you're too fat mate and you're gonna need the fat jab, benefits suspended until you've lost 5 stone? A weight limit for unemployment benefit?

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