The future of the Labour Party

[hibsbollah]

It's rife throughout grass roots Labour and the unions, nothing ridiculous about it.

I'll take this as it was intended, a bit of fishing to annoy the woke, on a subject which you have no actual knowledge about or experience of, but that you want to be true:agree:

[Crunchie]

I'll take this as it was intended, a bit of fishing to annoy the woke, on a subject which you have no actual knowledge about or experience of, but that you want to be true:agree:

You can take it however you want. I know from my substantial experience as a shop steward for it to be true.

[hibsbollah]

You can take it however you want. I know from my substantial experience as a shop steward for it to be true.


You personally saw widespread anti semitism in the labour party and the union movement? I think thats utter bullcrap.

Clearly hooked me though, fair play.

[CropleyWasGod]

You can take it however you want. I know from my substantial experience as a shop steward for it to be true.

How does it manifest itself?

[Just Alf]

You personally saw widespread anti semitism in the labour party and the union movement? I think thats utter bullcrap.

Clearly hooked me though, fair play.It why we have an ignore function

Works really well unless someone does a quote

>insert angry at HB smilie here<

:greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

very aptly nicknamed Tony Bliar, nothing new for a politician to have blood on his hands right enough :agree: Tony Blair's Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon says he was told to BURN secret Iraq memo - T-Gate (tech-gate.org) (https://www.tech-gate.org/usa/2022/01/04/tony-blairs-defence-secretary-geoff-hoon-says-he-was-told-to-burn-secret-iraq-memo/)


The campaign to strip Tony Blair of his knighthood was boosted last night by devastating allegations from his own defence secretary.
Geoff Hoon says he was ordered by Downing Street to burn a secret memo that said the 2003 invasion of Iraq could be illegal.
When the claim emerged in 2015, Sir Tony said it was ‘nonsense’. But Mr Hoon, who was in charge of defence when the war started, insists the allegation was true and he has now given a sensational blow-by-blow account of a No 10 ‘cover-up’.


680k signatures, largest ever i believe Petition · Tony Blair to have his "Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter" rescinded · Change.org (https://www.change.org/p/the-prime-minister-tony-blair-to-have-his-knight-companion-of-the-most-noble-order-of-the-garter-rescinded?redirect=false)

[Colr]

very aptly nicknamed Tony Bliar, nothing new for a politician to have blood on his hands right enough :agree: Tony Blair's Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon says he was told to BURN secret Iraq memo - T-Gate (tech-gate.org) (https://www.tech-gate.org/usa/2022/01/04/tony-blairs-defence-secretary-geoff-hoon-says-he-was-told-to-burn-secret-iraq-memo/)


The campaign to strip Tony Blair of his knighthood was boosted last night by devastating allegations from his own defence secretary.
Geoff Hoon says he was ordered by Downing Street to burn a secret memo that said the 2003 invasion of Iraq could be illegal.
When the claim emerged in 2015, Sir Tony said it was ‘nonsense’. But Mr Hoon, who was in charge of defence when the war started, insists the allegation was true and he has now given a sensational blow-by-blow account of a No 10 ‘cover-up’.


680k signatures, largest ever i believe Petition · Tony Blair to have his "Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter" rescinded · Change.org (https://www.change.org/p/the-prime-minister-tony-blair-to-have-his-knight-companion-of-the-most-noble-order-of-the-garter-rescinded?redirect=false)

Certainly feels like a cat is dead and whilst we are focused on this cat tge current government are continuing to dismantle the NHS, eroding free speech and enacting legislation to remove individual’s British citizenship!

[hibsbollah]

Certainly feels like a cat is dead and whilst we are focused on this cat tge current government are continuing to dismantle the NHS, eroding free speech and enacting legislation to remove individual’s British citizenship!

Two things can be true at the same time.

[Colr]

Two things can be true at the same time.

But the Tories and press prefer that we focus on one rather than the other.

[Northernhibee]

I thought Angela Rayner was excellent today. I really like her.

[Colr]

I thought Angela Rayner was excellent today. I really like her.

Labour front bench is looking much better generally including Rayner. Much good as it does.

[WeeRussell]

I thought Angela Rayner was excellent today. I really like her.

I’m not a big Labour/Starmer man but I quite liked her today too - wasn’t very familiar with her (other than name) before today!

[Bristolhibby]

One of the Lib Dem attack lines was that the voters in that constituency were being taken for granted while oop north is getting attention with levelling up. So, they were defending the toriest of tories. A seat that had been blue for 200 years, and strongly Leave. The Lib dems managing to ingratiate themselves in there tells you all you need to know about those Tory-enablers. It's what they do.

But it potentially puts a Lab / Lib coalition in play, or a rainbow coalition. Critically it weakens the Tories.

Gets my vote.

Certainly in my constituency (Chippenham) Lib Dem are the only option.

J

[ronaldo7]

Maybe Jackie Baillie should be reported to the UK statistics authority for misrepresenting data.:rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/Sheilam19534814/status/1479212489141374979

[Crunchie]

I thought Angela Rayner was excellent today. I really like her.

The way she conducts herself and her behaviour is a disgrace imo.

No parliamentarian should get away with some of the stuff she's come out with.

I very much doubt Labour will get anywhere near government with her at the forefront, I can see why she appeals to the tory haters though :aok:

[Kato]

The way she conducts herself and her behaviour is a disgrace imo.

No parliamentarian should get away with some of the stuff she's come out with.

I very much doubt Labour will get anywhere near government with her at the forefront, I can see why she appeals to the tory haters though :aok:PM lieing every day = good
Being blunt with the truth = bad

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[Renfrew_Hibby]

The way she conducts herself and her behaviour is a disgrace imo.

No parliamentarian should get away with some of the stuff she's come out with.

I very much doubt Labour will get anywhere near government with her at the forefront, I can see why she appeals to the tory haters though :aok:

Joke statement surely.

[ronaldo7]

The way she conducts herself and her behaviour is a disgrace imo.

No parliamentarian should get away with some of the stuff she's come out with.

I very much doubt Labour will get anywhere near government with her at the forefront, I can see why she appeals to the tory haters though :aok:

She apologised for her tory **** comment, and is currently doing a grand job of sticking the boot into Boris.

[Radium]

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1480888853376421888?s=21


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[Hiber-nation]

The way she conducts herself and her behaviour is a disgrace imo.

No parliamentarian should get away with some of the stuff she's come out with.

I very much doubt Labour will get anywhere near government with her at the forefront, I can see why she appeals to the tory haters though :aok:

You are funny.

[Crunchie]

She apologised for her tory **** comment, and is currently doing a grand job of sticking the boot into Boris.

That’s not the only statement she’s made unbefitting of someone in her position. There are a lot of people quite rightly putting the boot into Boris, but in a far more dignified manner, her boss for one.

[ronaldo7]

That’s not the only statement she’s made unbefitting of someone in her position. There are a lot of people quite rightly putting the boot into Boris, but in a far more dignified manner, her boss for one.

I'm not one to follow her in the media bubble. What other comments has she made which are unbecoming her position?

[Crunchie]

I'm not one to follow her in the media bubble. What other comments has she made which are unbecoming her position?

Can’t think off hand but it shouldn’t be too difficult to find out. I’m on the train just now no time to check.

[Bostonhibby]

I'm not a big fan of Rayner but I think she speaks for many plain thinking and talking people when she addresses Bozo and other Nasty party luminaries in the manner she does.

I guess there will always be those deferential types who are happy to doff their caps to the likes of a government ministers, MP or even Prime minister However surely reverence and respect must be earned, and events over Partygate(s), a culture of lying and the awarding of Covid related contracts mean these charlatans are simply fair game for, and on behalf of an angry public.





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[Colr]

She apologised for her tory **** comment, and is currently doing a grand job of sticking the boot into Boris.

Her comment was not wrong, though.

[Colr]

I'm not a big fan of Rayner but I think she speaks for many plain thinking and talking people when she addresses Bozo and other Nasty party luminaries in the manner she does.

I guess there will always be those deferential types who are happy to doff their caps to the likes of a government ministers, MP or even Prime minister However surely reverence and respect must be earned, and events over Partygate(s), a culture of lying and the awarding of Covid related contracts mean these charlatans are simply fair game for, and on behalf of an angry public.





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English don’t like it because she speaks with a working class accent and he speaks with an RP posh accent. In English minds the former is always wrong and the latter always right.

Another reason why Scotland should run its own affairs. We can never outnumber them.

[Hibbyradge]

Can’t think off hand but it shouldn’t be too difficult to find out. I’m on the train just now no time to check.

:tee hee:

Her comments must have been horrific if they've caused amnesia.

Rayner out!

[Hibbyradge]

English don’t like it because she speaks with a working class accent and he speaks with an RP posh accent. In English minds the former is always wrong and the latter always right.

Another reason why Scotland should run its own affairs. We can never outnumber them.

That's just not true, the first bit anyway.

I agree with the second point.

[WeeRussell]

Can’t think off hand but it shouldn’t be too difficult to find out. I’m on the train just now no time to check.

😂😂😂😂 brilliant

[hibsbollah]

She’s a competent, working class and Northern and a bit mouthy, so will annoy a certain type of Tory.

She said the **** word which is not allowed so eventually took it back. But generally she’s not prone to a gaffe and politically from the centre of the party. Trying to portray her as a dangerous or extremist is going to fall flat on its face.

[JeMeSouviens]

She’s a competent, working class and Northern and a bit mouthy, so will annoy a certain type of Tory.

She’s not prone to a gaffe and politically from the centre of the party. Trying to portray her as a dangerous or extremist is going to fall flat on its face.

I like her, and Johnson really struggles against her vs how easily he brushes off Starmer.

[hibsbollah]

I like her, and Johnson really struggles against her vs how easily he brushes off Starmer.

She wasn’t one of the 14 Labour MPs who voted against the Tory welfare cap today, which will kick out child poverty targets, cut housing benefit for young people and Employment Support Allowance and tax credits. This is the actual policy stuff that gets left behind when we focus on personalities. I get she’s on Starmers front bench. I’d just like someone to ask her Why, if you’re a socialist, you think it’s good policy to not vote against this, during a pandemic, which is disproportionately hitting the poor anyway? That kind of poorbashing is extremist. But it’s called mainstream and the Labour front bench seem compliant .

Very little media coverage of this.

[Pretty Boy]

She wasn’t one of the 14 Labour MPs who voted against the Tory welfare cap today, which will kick out child poverty targets, cut housing benefit for young people and Employment Support Allowance and tax credits. This is the actual policy stuff that gets left behind when we focus on personalities. I get she’s on Starmers front bench. I’d just like someone to ask her Why, if you’re a socialist, you think it’s good policy to not vote against this, during a pandemic, which is disproportionately hitting the poor anyway? That kind of poorbashing is extremist. But it’s called mainstream and the Labour front bench seem compliant .

Very little media coverage of this.

There's so much gaslighting going on at the moment with stuff about GSTQ getting played on the BBC and parties at Downing Street that I'm convinced it's being orchestrated from within the PMs office. There is so much important legislation sneaking through with barely a whimper of comment. The parties are wrong of course but in the list of things I hate the Tories for in recent times it's probably not even top 5. It's all about keeping us looking the other way.

In actual news the 56% of people in working households now live below the poverty line and by 2026 wages will in real terms be lower than 2008. I accept that the parties and the like are open goals against the cult of personality that existed around Johnson and are an effective attack to get him out. Labour not whipping to vote against the welfare cap and not shouting from the rooftops about poverty wages is just a failure to meet the most basic expectations of a nominally left wing political movement though.

[ronaldo7]

She wasn’t one of the 14 Labour MPs who voted against the Tory welfare cap today, which will kick out child poverty targets, cut housing benefit for young people and Employment Support Allowance and tax credits. This is the actual policy stuff that gets left behind when we focus on personalities. I get she’s on Starmers front bench. I’d just like someone to ask her Why, if you’re a socialist, you think it’s good policy to not vote against this, during a pandemic, which is disproportionately hitting the poor anyway? That kind of poorbashing is extremist. But it’s called mainstream and the Labour front bench seem compliant .

Very little media coverage of this.

I was shocked to hear that the whips told the labour MPs that was it for the night, and even more shocked to see, Kate Hollern vote with the Tories. Any idea why she did so?

[JeMeSouviens]

She wasn’t one of the 14 Labour MPs who voted against the Tory welfare cap today, which will kick out child poverty targets, cut housing benefit for young people and Employment Support Allowance and tax credits. This is the actual policy stuff that gets left behind when we focus on personalities. I get she’s on Starmers front bench. I’d just like someone to ask her Why, if you’re a socialist, you think it’s good policy to not vote against this, during a pandemic, which is disproportionately hitting the poor anyway? That kind of poorbashing is extremist. But it’s called mainstream and the Labour front bench seem compliant .

Very little media coverage of this.

I think there's far too much attention paid these days (mostly by virtue signalling twitterers) to who cast their forlorn vote against < insert Tory outrage of the day >. The reality is unless there's a substantial Tory rebellion, every whipped vote is sailing through anyway. That's the joy of Westminster politics for you.

[hibsbollah]

I think there's far too much attention paid these days (mostly by virtue signalling twitterers) to who cast their forlorn vote against < insert Tory outrage of the day >. The reality is unless there's a substantial Tory rebellion, every whipped vote is sailing through anyway. That's the joy of Westminster politics for you.

I refer you to PBs post above, and make the additional point that politicians are supposed to vote reflecting conscience and belief, not whether they think they’re going to win a vote or not. They were actively whipping Labour MPs not to vote against the bill.

Personally, I don’t have Twitter, I do most of my own research :greengrin

[ronaldo7]

I refer you to PBs post above, and make the additional point that politicians are supposed to vote reflecting conscience and belief, not whether they think they’re going to win a vote or not. They were actively whipping Labour MPs not to vote against the bill.

Personally, I don’t have Twitter, I do most of my own research :greengrin

The main changes in the bill are reducing the household welfare cap from £26k to £23k, abolishing legally binding child poverty targets, cuts to child tax credits, cuts to ESA, and cuts to housing benefits for young people.

I'm sure the Tories will use the abstentions of the labour front bench against them in the future. Nice to see the SNP voting against the bill.

[Colr]

That's just not true, the first bit anyway.

I agree with the second point.

From Ms Rayner’s twitter this morning:

“I've been on the media this morning so my accent and grammar are being critiqued.

I wasn't Eton educated, but growing up in Stockport I was taught integrity, honesty and decency.

Doesn't mater how you say it. Boris Johnson is unfit to lead.“

[Northernhibee]

She’s a competent, working class and Northern and a bit mouthy, so will annoy a certain type of Tory.

She said the **** word which is not allowed so eventually took it back. But generally she’s not prone to a gaffe and politically from the centre of the party. Trying to portray her as a dangerous or extremist is going to fall flat on its face.

I've said it for a long time but Angela Rayner is absolutely brilliant. Less guarded than your average politician so quite relatable, working class background, a good speaker, very good in PMQs or in debates, stands out from the crowd and has an air of authenticity about her.

[Hibbyradge]

From Ms Rayner’s twitter this morning:

“I've been on the media this morning so my accent and grammar are being critiqued.

I wasn't Eton educated, but growing up in Stockport I was taught integrity, honesty and decency.

Doesn't mater how you say it. Boris Johnson is unfit to lead.“

That's different to saying that "the English" don't like working class accents. That's just folk finding what they can to have a go at her.

We wouldn't say that Scottish people don't like working class accents because some folk slag off the way John Hughes speaks.

[Colr]

That's different to saying that "the English" don't like working class accents. That's just folk finding what they can to have a go at her.

We wouldn't say that Scottish people don't like working class accents because some folk slag off the way John Hughes speaks.
They defer to upper class accents IMHO.

[Northernhibee]

They defer to upper class accents IMHO.

Completely agree, it's the only explanation for places like Hartlepool voting Tory.

[hibsbollah]

From Ms Rayner’s twitter this morning:

“I've been on the media this morning so my accent and grammar are being critiqued.

I wasn't Eton educated, but growing up in Stockport I was taught integrity, honesty and decency.

Doesn't mater how you say it. Boris Johnson is unfit to lead.“

I listened to her interview, the sentence that sounds unusual coming from a politician is 'what we want to know is; WERE he at the party or WERENT he?'.
Which is absolutely fine, its not grammatically incorrect, its just regional dialect.
If the Tories are making a song and dance about that it will hopefully just show the 'red wall' voters in the North that they have just voted in a bunch of ridiculous snobs into power and maybe learn their lesson for next time.

[Hibbyradge]

Completely agree, it's the only explanation for places like Hartlepool voting Tory.

Really? The only explanation?

Did folk just become accent conscious recently because Hartlepool have never voted in a Tory before.

Fwiw, Jill Mortimer doesn't have an upper class accent. She's from Leeds.

[Colr]

I listened to her interview, the sentence that sounds unusual coming from a politician is 'what we want to know is; WERE he at the party or WERENT he?'.
Which is absolutely fine, its not grammatically incorrect, its just regional dialect.
If the Tories are making a song and dance about that it will hopefully just show the 'red wall' voters in the North that they have just voted in a bunch of ridiculous snobs into power and maybe learn their lesson for next time.

I can only hope that they realise their mistake.

[Just_Jimmy]

Get it right up them Angela!

There's absolutely nothing they can throw at her that is even on a par with the lies, corruption and nepotism they exhibit on a daily basis.



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[Northernhibee]

Election Maps UK
@ElectionMapsUK
Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 38% (+1)
CON: 28% (-5)
LDM: 13% (+3)
GRN: 7% (+1)
RFM: 4% (-1)

Via
@YouGov
, 12 Jan.
Changes w/ 6-7 Jan.

[Northernhibee]

https://twitter.com/AngelaRayner/status/1481611825221410818

Angela Rayner - take a bow.

[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/AngelaRayner/status/1481611825221410818

Angela Rayner - take a bow.

I particularly like the one to Liz Truss.

[Bostonhibby]

I particularly like the one to Liz Truss.She won't understand the question.

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[Jack]

https://twitter.com/AngelaRayner/status/1481611825221410818

Angela Rayner - take a bow.

Good shout, I quite like her.

Is there a reason she's used Labour Party headed paper rather than House of Commons paper?

[Hibbyradge]

Good shout, I quite like her.

Is there a reason she's used Labour Party headed paper rather than House of Commons paper?

Maybe she decided it was Labour Party business rather than HoC business. That might be debatable, but why give the Tories any ammunition at all.

It's a good advert for the LP though.

[WeeRussell]

https://twitter.com/AngelaRayner/status/1481611825221410818

Angela Rayner - take a bow.

Yes - well in.

[CropleyWasGod]

Good shout, I quite like her.

Is there a reason she's used Labour Party headed paper rather than House of Commons paper?

She's trying to pretend that she ain't common.

[Hibrandenburg]

The Chinese spying scandal has made the news at a very fortunate time.

[ronaldo7]

The Chinese spying scandal has made the news at a very fortunate time.

Makes a change from Russian subs or aircraft around North Britain.

[Bostonhibby]

Makes a change from Russian subs or aircraft around North Britain.Or indeed russian donations to the Nasty party or being appointed to positions in the party.

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[Northernhibee]

One poll out this evening gives Labour a fourteen point lead, which would comfortably give them a majority.

[Glory Lurker]

One poll out this evening gives Labour a fourteen point lead, which would comfortably give them a majority.

If only we were approaching a general election.

[SHODAN]

Christian Wakeford, Tory who wants to keep his seat: Aye nae bother mate come in
Jeremy Corbyn, actually left-wing: **** off

[Hibbyradge]

Christian Wakeford, Tory who wants to keep his seat: Aye nae bother mate come in
Jeremy Corbyn, actually left-wing: **** off

I'm not sure what you mean by that but has a political party ever refused to accept an MP crossing the house?

[Northernhibee]

Jeremy Corbyn is still welcome to the Labour party if he's prepared to apologise. The ball is, and always has been, in his court. He's not been told to "**** off", just accept that his leadership led the party to a historic thumping and he needs to tow the line a bit more.

[He's here!]

Jeremy Corbyn is still welcome to the Labour party if he's prepared to apologise. The ball is, and always has been, in his court. He's not been told to "**** off", just accept that his leadership led the party to a historic thumping and he needs to tow the line a bit more.

I see the party's executive have tonight rejected a bid to have Corbyn re-admitted as a Labour MP.

IIRC he's not been asked to apologise for leading them to their worst election result in nearly a century. It was his refusal to accept the damning EHRC report into anti-Semitism which saw Starmer turf him out.

[hibsbollah]

I see the party's executive have tonight rejected a bid to have Corbyn re-admitted as a Labour MP.

IIRC he's not been asked to apologise for leading them to their worst election result in nearly a century. It was his refusal to accept the damning EHRC report into anti-Semitism which saw Starmer turf him out.

Not the first time, you’re incorrect on this point. He DID accept their findings, he did express regret that the complaints weren’t dealt with properly, he was disciplined and remains excluded from the party for claiming the extent of the problem has been exaggerated by the party and others’.

(Which anyone with eyes and ears in their head can see to be 100% true).

“Anyone claiming there is no anti-Semitism in the Labour Party is wrong. Of course there is, as there is throughout society, and sometimes it is voiced by people who think of themselves as on the left,” he said.

“Jewish members of our party and the wider community were right to expect us to deal with it, and I regret that it took longer to deliver that change than it should.

“One anti-Semite is one too many, but the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media.”

Again, the gross exaggeration was fairly obvious if you picked up a newspaper or even listened to Rachel Reeves last week.

If you actually read his words at the time, it’s as explicitly anti AS and regretful stance as you could hope for. His constituents are being deprived of his representation because the PLP want to show that his time is over, it’s nothing to do with anti semitism.

[Hibbyradge]

Not the first time, you’re incorrect on this point. He DID accept their findings, he did express regret that the complaints weren’t dealt with properly, he was disciplined and remains excluded from the party for claiming the extent of the problem has been exaggerated by the party and others’.

(Which anyone with eyes and ears in their head can see to be 100% true).

“Anyone claiming there is no anti-Semitism in the Labour Party is wrong. Of course there is, as there is throughout society, and sometimes it is voiced by people who think of themselves as on the left,” he said.

“Jewish members of our party and the wider community were right to expect us to deal with it, and I regret that it took longer to deliver that change than it should.

“One anti-Semite is one too many, but the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media.”

Again, the gross exaggeration was fairly obvious if you picked up a newspaper or even listened to Rachel Reeves last week.

If you actually read his words at the time, it’s as explicitly anti AS and regretful stance as you could hope for. His constituents are being deprived of his representation because the PLP want to show that his time is over, it’s nothing to do with anti semitism.

An apology shouldn't come with mitigation.

Or maybe we accept Johnson's "apology" about the parties.

However, I tend to think that he's being kept out of the Labour Party because he's an electoral liability and accepting him back in would be a gift to the Tories.

[hibsbollah]

An apology shouldn't come with mitigation.

Or maybe we accept Johnson's "apology" about the parties.

However, I tend to think that he's being kept out of the Labour Party because he's an electoral liability and accepting him back in would be a gift to the Tories.

There’s plenty of electoral ‘liabilities’ out there in the commons, some with actual criminal charges hanging over them. They generally still get to represent their constituents properly.

[Colr]

There’s plenty of electoral ‘liabilities’ out there in the commons, some with actual criminal charges hanging over them. They generally still get to represent their constituents properly.

Who’s stopping him representing them? He just not allowed to do it as a Labour MP.

He is a good local MP and is still working hard for his constituents.

[hibsbollah]

Who’s stopping him representing them? He just not allowed to do it as a Labour MP.

He is a good local MP and is still working hard for his constituents.

Your individual influence is always diluted if you've lost the whip. Certainly in our political system.

[Ozyhibby]

Your individual influence is always diluted if you've lost the whip. Certainly in our political system.

I’d say he has zero influence either way these days.


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[hibsbollah]

I’d say he has zero influence either way these days.


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https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0013xcf/the-decade-the-rich-won-series-1-episode-1

He got on the telly last night. The only way you'd get Margaret Hodge and him together in the same place. Very good programme, Alistair Darling came over well, Nick Clegg, not so much.

[He's here!]

Not the first time, you’re incorrect on this point. He DID accept their findings, he did express regret that the complaints weren’t dealt with properly, he was disciplined and remains excluded from the party for claiming the extent of the problem has been exaggerated by the party and others’.

(Which anyone with eyes and ears in their head can see to be 100% true).

“Anyone claiming there is no anti-Semitism in the Labour Party is wrong. Of course there is, as there is throughout society, and sometimes it is voiced by people who think of themselves as on the left,” he said.

“Jewish members of our party and the wider community were right to expect us to deal with it, and I regret that it took longer to deliver that change than it should.

“One anti-Semite is one too many, but the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media.”

Again, the gross exaggeration was fairly obvious if you picked up a newspaper or even listened to Rachel Reeves last week.

If you actually read his words at the time, it’s as explicitly anti AS and regretful stance as you could hope for. His constituents are being deprived of his representation because the PLP want to show that his time is over, it’s nothing to do with anti semitism.


I don't think it's the case that he accepted their findings:

Jeremy Corbyn rejects overall findings of EHRC report on antisemitism in Labour | Labour | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/29/jeremy-corbyn-rejects-findings-of-report-on-antisemitism-in-labour)

And while the PLP might believe his time is over, I don't think it's true to say his suspension was nothing to do with the anti-Semitism furore back then. It was clearly stated at the time that he was being suspended "in the light of his comments regarding the EHRC report and his subsequent failure to retract them".

An independent EHRC inquiry into a major political party was unprecedented (think the only other party subject to a probe previously was the National Front) and for Corbyn to take the huff over its findings was only going to end in trouble for him.

[Pretty Boy]

Corbyn's biggest 'problem' is that he won't just accept the gaslighting from the Israeli lobby regarding what constitutes antisemitism.

[He's here!]

Corbyn's biggest 'problem' is that he won't just accept the gaslighting from the Israeli lobby regarding what constitutes antisemitism.

The EHRC concluded that Labour broke the law three times in relation to anti-Semitism under Corbyn's leadership. Strikes me that his problems ran deeper than failing to accept 'gaslighting'.

I know this article is a few weeks old but I note that David Lammy now says he regrets nominating Corbyn and only did so because he never thought he would win. Maybe says more about Lammy's change with the wind career ambitions than his apparent horror at the scale of anti-Semitism within the party mind you.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/28/david-lammy-apologises-for-nominating-corbyn-to-be-labour-leader

[ronaldo7]

The labour party have gone full on bat **** crazy. The only MP in Scotland, demanding his friends in London stop the democratically elected Scottish government planning for independence. Something which was in the manifestos of both the SNP, and the Greens.

Labour lords up next?

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/mp-neil-coyle-labour-whip-26203176?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar


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[Radium]

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1492096384388022275?s=21


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[ronaldo7]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/mp-neil-coyle-labour-whip-26203176?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar


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Henry dyer's personal take.

https://www.businessinsider.com/henry-dyer-personal-statement-on-neil-coyle-2022-2?r=US&IR=T

[ronaldo7]

Anas Sarwar, yesterday tried to taint, Nicola Sturgeon regarding the vote in the commons on the Labour opposition day motion on a windfall tax, where the vote went for the opposition by 192 votes to 0. The SNP Mp's didn't vote.

The Government will not take anything forward in Westminster on this vote.

Alternatively, Scottish Labour voted against the budget in the Scottish Parliament yesterday, which will allow all under 22 to travel on buses freely, the doubling of the Scottish child payment, and much more.

Does Anas really know what he's doing? From the reaction I've seen on this, people can see through him.

[ronaldo7]

First the Red wall crumbled. Now the Unions are on the warpath.

https://labourlist.org/2022/02/unite-warns-funding-to-labour-under-review-amid-dispute-with-council/

https://labourlist.org/2022/02/unite-slams-shameful-labour-council-as-hgv-drivers-begin-two-month-strike/


Sharon Graham has declared that “the remaining financial support” provided by Unite the Union to the Labour Party is “now under review” amid an ongoing industrial dispute between a Labour council and its bin lorry drivers.

Addressing a virtual rally in support of the workers in the dispute, which saw refuse collection HGV drivers begin a two-month strike last week, Graham warned that “mistreatment of our members will not be accepted”, adding: “It’s time to act like Labour, be the party for workers.”

Graham told the rally that both regional and national funding to Labour – including its affiliation fee – will be under review. She urged the party to get the dispute sorted and described the conduct of the council in the row as “utterly disgusting”.

The general secretary declared that “if we have to escalate, we will escalate” and she “personally will be getting involved here”. She said the union is prepared to “go door-to-door” in the area with the truth about the dispute.

“Our wallet is closed to bad employers,” Graham added. She referred to Labour as a “bad employer” and said the council as had “gone to war with these drivers” with a “lie” about the pay of the striking workers.

[neil7908]

"Keir Starmer's 'I'm not Corbyn' hints are getting louder" :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60353516

I'm not sure they can reasonably be called hints anymore. It would be less subtle if he got "I'm not Jeremy Corbyn" tattooed on his face.

[Hibbyradge]

"Keir Starmer's 'I'm not Corbyn' hints are getting louder" :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60353516

I'm not sure they can reasonably be called hints anymore. It would be less subtle if he got "I'm not Jeremy Corbyn" tattooed on his face.

Good stuff.

[hibsbollah]

"Keir Starmer's 'I'm not Corbyn' hints are getting louder" :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60353516

I'm not sure they can reasonably be called hints anymore. It would be less subtle if he got "I'm not Jeremy Corbyn" tattooed on his face.

The question you’ve got to ask yourself in a representative democracy is ‘is he better than the alternatives?’ That’s the point we are at if you are on ‘the left’ of politics. The current Tory car crash, with economic collapse, possible WW3, countless pandemic deaths and open, undisguised corruption in government means he can pretty much sit there and take no risks. I think the more interesting political developments will come outside the House of Commons. Lots of talk online about an organised fuel payment strike.

An awful, awful article by Kuennsberg though. I was kind of hoping she’d gone from the bbc by now.

[JimBHibees]

The question you’ve got to ask yourself in a representative democracy is ‘is he better than the alternatives?’ That’s the point we are at if you are on ‘the left’ of politics. The current Tory car crash, with economic collapse, possible WW3, countless pandemic deaths and open, undisguised corruption in government means he can pretty much sit there and take no risks. I think the more interesting political developments will come outside the House of Commons. Lots of talk online about an organised fuel payment strike.

An awful, awful article by Kuennsberg though. I was kind of hoping she’d gone from the bbc by now.

Agree terrible article not altogether sure of the point of it

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/johnobrennan2/status/1492268205141897225?s=21


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[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/johnobrennan2/status/1492268205141897225?s=21


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIs that real? It's a bit off

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[DaveF]

That can't be real. Looks stuck together.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/talkradio/status/1492102504141754379?s=21


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[Glory Lurker]

She's a total rocket, excuse the pun.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-fury-keir-starmer-rules-26222901

Labour now pro brexit.


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[Hibbyradge]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-fury-keir-starmer-rules-26222901

Labour now pro brexit.


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That's been Labour's position since the referendum. (It was Corbyn's before, during and after.)

As much as I want us back in, I realise that in England, it would be folly to adopt a rejoin EU stance. It doesn't matter what position they take in Scotland, they're not winning there.

[ronaldo7]

That's been Labour's position since the referendum. (It was Corbyn's before, during and after.)

As much as I want us back in, I realise that in England, it would be folly to adopt a rejoin EU stance. It doesn't matter what position they take in Scotland, they're not winning there.

Yup.

They voted for it. They now need to own it.

Along with the £600 million per week in lost trade.

[Radium]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220214/5d868b8b40dbdd4842a724a17f5c4bf3.jpg


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-drugs-steve-reed-name-b2014746.html

The differences between Labour and Conservative disappear as the fight for the centre right voter in England comes to the fore.

Can’t think of anything else that explains this sort of approach


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[LunasBoots]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220214/5d868b8b40dbdd4842a724a17f5c4bf3.jpg


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-drugs-steve-reed-name-b2014746.html

The differences between Labour and Conservative disappear as the fight for the centre right voter in England comes to the fore.

Can’t think of anything else that explains this sort of approach


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That'll do well to bring suicide rates down in the UK. 🙄

The majority of people going through court for these things are already embarrassed and ashamed without stuff like that on top of it. Out of touch political party.

[hibsbollah]

That's been Labour's position since the referendum. (It was Corbyn's before, during and after.)
.

We have discussed this a lot and I think I provided enough to persuade you at the time that the evidence for ‘Corbyn campaigned deliberately half heartedly against Brexit’ just isn’t there. I’m not sure why you’re still saying that it was.

[Ozyhibby]

We have discussed this a lot and I think I provided enough to persuade you at the time that the evidence for ‘Corbyn campaigned deliberately half heartedly against Brexit’ just isn’t there. I’m not sure why you’re still saying that it was.

It’s a fair point. There is plenty evidence out there to show that he was just very bad at campaigning full stop.


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[hibsbollah]

It’s a fair point. There is plenty evidence out there to show that he was just very bad at campaigning full stop.


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Show me anyone who did a good job while campaigning to stay in the EU and you win a coconut. Trust Us We Are Men in Suits was the central message.

[He's here!]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/corbynistas-trolled-by-the-crown

[Hibbyradge]

We have discussed this a lot and I think I provided enough to persuade you at the time that the evidence for ‘Corbyn campaigned deliberately half heartedly against Brexit’ just isn’t there. I’m not sure why you’re still saying that it was.

Because it's true.

I heard him discussing the EUs failings on live TV and radio only to say that despite all those weaknesses, there was enough good for Labour to support remain.

I heard it him and I was so disappointed and angry. I'm not a liar.

[Hibbyradge]

Show me anyone who did a good job while campaigning to stay in the EU and you win a coconut. Trust Us We Are Men in Suits was the central message.

I agree with that. Staying in was so obviously the right thing to do, even passionate remain people didn't apply themselves seriously.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/balr0g/status/1494669768116342786?s=21


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[hibsbollah]

https://twitter.com/balr0g/status/1494669768116342786?s=21


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I’m not Jackie Baillies biggest fan, but that’s not really contradictory on her part; she can both slam the waiting times and the queues at A and E while in another tweet thank the staff for excellent care.

[ronaldo7]

Angela Rayners comments on shoot first, ask questions later.

Were they real? Did she actually say that?

[degenerated]

Angela Rayners comments on shoot first, ask questions later.

Were they real? Did she actually say that?Didn't hear it but read about it in the guardian and it appears she did. The exact quote was "On things like law and order I am quite hardline. I am like, shoot your terrorists and ask questions second"

She also said she is "quite hardline” on law and order and suggested police should “antagonise” criminals"

When you look at that and the likes of Lisa Nandy suggesting the UK should look to Catalonia for lessons on how to defeat Scottish Nationalists then it paints a concerning picture as to how Labour think the forces of law and order should be utilised.

[ronaldo7]

Didn't hear it but read about it in the guardian and it appears she did. The exact quote was "On things like law and order I am quite hardline. I am like, shoot your terrorists and ask questions second"

She also said she is "quite hardline” on law and order and suggested police should “antagonise” criminals"

When you look at that and the likes of Lisa Nandy suggesting the UK should look to Catalonia for how to defeat Scottish Nationalists then it paints a concerning picture as to how Labour think the forces of law and order should be utilised.

Thanks for that. I'd seen something on a Twitter feed and didn't think she'd have said it. Particularly when they were all going on about threats to MPs, after the David amess, and Jo Cox murders.

Shooting from the hip is a bit different than saying the forces of the law should shoot first and ask questions later.

[Just Alf]

Thanks for that. I'd seen something on a Twitter feed and didn't think she'd have said it. Particularly when they were all going on about threats to MPs, after the David amess, and Jo Cox murders.

Shooting from the hip is a bit different than saying the forces of the law should shoot first and ask questions later.It was a comedy interview type thing, her and the audience were having a laugh when she said it.
Clearly one of those things she shouldn't have said as the quotes will haunt her future I think and the context will be long forgotten.

[cabbageandribs1875]

very apt

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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scotlands-most-senior-councillor-ditches-26272283?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Senior Labour councillor jumps ship.


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[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/UniteSharon/status/1496229953028993025

Coventry bin workers getting it tight from the Labour council.

[AgentDaleCooper]

it's worth noting right now that when Putin came to power, there was one member of the parliamentary Labour party that could see how his presidency would turn out. Hint - It wasn't Tony Blair. It was the best Prime Minister we never had.

[AgentDaleCooper]

We have discussed this a lot and I think I provided enough to persuade you at the time that the evidence for ‘Corbyn campaigned deliberately half heartedly against Brexit’ just isn’t there. I’m not sure why you’re still saying that it was.

I think people tend to read the fact that he campaigned honestly and openly as having campaigned half heartedly. Easy mistake for New Labour people to make, to be fair.

[ronaldo7]

THE former world leader of the Orange Order has been selected to stand for Scottish Labour in the local elections.

Henry Dunbar, who was also Grand Master of the Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland, will be a candidate for North Lanarkshire Council in May.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19967984.former-orange-order-leader-stands-scottish-labour-may-elections/

I suppose Anas is getting his way, with candidates for Scottish Labour(and the new thistle motif) must support the Union.

[DaveF]

THE former world leader of the Orange Order has been selected to stand for Scottish Labour in the local elections.

Henry Dunbar, who was also Grand Master of the Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland, will be a candidate for North Lanarkshire Council in May.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19967984.former-orange-order-leader-stands-scottish-labour-may-elections/

I suppose Anas is getting his way, with candidates for Scottish Labour(and the new thistle motif) must support the Union.

Former leader of the lodge standing in North Lanarkshire is the very definition of a 'shoe in'.

[degenerated]

THE former world leader of the Orange Order has been selected to stand for Scottish Labour in the local elections.

Henry Dunbar, who was also Grand Master of the Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland, will be a candidate for North Lanarkshire Council in May.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19967984.former-orange-order-leader-stands-scottish-labour-may-elections/

I suppose Anas is getting his way, with candidates for Scottish Labour(and the new thistle motif) must support the Union.That will bring back all those voters they've alienated with their union at all costs mantra.

Raising the stakes in the staunchness battle with the Tories

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[Jack]

There was an investigation by someone, newspaper???, a few years ago where they found 'the lodge' was looking to infiltrate local politics. Didn't matter which party (other than SNP) as the ambition was to allegedly undermine the independence movement.

[ronaldo7]

That will bring back all those voters they've alienated with their union at all costs mantra.

Raising the stakes in the staunchness battle with the Tories

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Anas Sarwar...I want to make Scottish Labour fit for the 21st Century...Meet Henry Dunbar, former Grand master of the Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland. LoL indeed.

[Bostonhibby]

Anas Sarwar...I want to make Scottish Labour fit for the 21st Century...Meet Henry Dunbar, former Grand master of the Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland. LoL indeed.What's Ian Paisley up to these days? Maybe he could do a job for the Scottish Labour party.

Being dead is not necessarily a handicap.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/brianpw65/status/1499800790935945216?s=21

Anas is really modernising the Scottish Labour Party.


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[Callum_62]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/labour-leader-sir-keir-starmer-accuses-snp-and-conservatives-of-being-joined-at-the-hip-over-referendums

SNP and Conservatives joined at the hip according to Sir Keir

[emoji848]

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[hibsbollah]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/labour-leader-sir-keir-starmer-accuses-snp-and-conservatives-of-being-joined-at-the-hip-over-referendums

SNP and Conservatives joined at the hip according to Sir Keir

[emoji848]



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Labour have stopped talking about lots of things they used to talk about. Environment barely gets a mention. Homelessness barely gets a mention. Housing barely gets a mention. It’s wall to wall, ‘links to business.’ Which is fine, but what does that mean? Deregulation of the city of London again, what?

[degenerated]

https://twitter.com/brianpw65/status/1499800790935945216?s=21

Anas is really modernising the Scottish Labour Party.


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[Ozyhibby]

Labour have stopped talking about lots of things they used to talk about. Environment barely gets a mention. Homelessness barely gets a mention. Housing barely gets a mention. It’s wall to wall, ‘links to business.’ Which is fine, but what does that mean? Deregulation of the city of London again, what?

I really hope they talked about the mythical third option in the Scottish constitutional debate? We really need to hear more vague chat on undeliverable solutions.[emoji106]


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[ronaldo7]

The new logo's a topper :greengrin25643

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Couldn't have put it better(together). 😉

[cabbageandribs1875]

to think i gave this shower my first ever vote as an 18 year old, even in an independent Scotland i could never lend them a vote, never

the party of a repugnant sectarian bigot, that will go down well with kafflik labour voters, so sad what this EX-working mans party have become

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[Hibbyradge]

I think people tend to read the fact that he campaigned honestly and openly as having campaigned half heartedly. Easy mistake for New Labour people to make, to be fair.

I heard him. It's no mistake.

[Glory Lurker]

What was the script with Starmer leading pmqs on the cost of living rather than refugees?

[Ozyhibby]

What was the script with Starmer leading pmqs on the cost of living rather than refugees?

He’s not very good?


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[hibsbollah]

What was the script with Starmer leading pmqs on the cost of living rather than refugees?

Yvette Cooper confirmed on sky news that Labours policy is exactly the same as Patel’s on Ukrainian refugees, they need to apply for and be granted a visa before leaving continental Europe.

So disappointing from a politician I used to admire a lot.

[SHODAN]

Yvette Cooper confirmed on sky news that Labours policy is exactly the same as Patel’s on Ukrainian refugees, they need to apply for and be granted a visa before leaving continental Europe.

So disappointing from a politician I used to admire a lot.

If the left manage to organise behind one party before the next GE then Labour are in real danger of being PASOK'd. To a younger generation who have no capital and no security, they have absolutely nothing to offer other than "we're slightly nicer than the Tories".

[ronaldo7]

Yvette Cooper confirmed on sky news that Labours policy is exactly the same as Patel’s on Ukrainian refugees, they need to apply for and be granted a visa before leaving continental Europe.

So disappointing from a politician I used to admire a lot.

Shocking from Labour, but not unsurprising. Just slightly out of step with the Tories, but, Sir Kier, will bring them back into line.

He can always get his marching orders from the grand master.

[ronaldo7]

Scottish Labour accused of 'desperately begging' Aberdeenshire members to stand for election

https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1503872923408355330

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/andrewfeinstein/status/1504376493727698945?t=YZ0YgLb_VWIqaAa0M3BY_g&s=19

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[hibsbollah]

https://twitter.com/andrewfeinstein/status/1504376493727698945?t=YZ0YgLb_VWIqaAa0M3BY_g&s=19

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…and still no Forde Report from the Party. I wonder why.

[Radium]

https://www.itv.com/walesprogrammes/articles/sharp-end-kinnock-at-80

… different times but from the outside, the same battles seem to be continuing

Neil Kinnock at 80. Hadn’t heard the stat around how close the’91 election was


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[Hibrandenburg]

Len McKluskey on BBC Scotland getting torn in about Scottish Labour. He's saying that if he was Scottish he'd have voted for independence because it would be the only chance of implementing socialist values in Scotland for the foreseeable future and that Labour in Scotland should at least be pushing for Devo-Max.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Len McKluskey on BBC Scotland getting torn in about Scottish Labour. He's saying that if he was Scottish he'd have voted for independence because it would be the only chance of implementing socialist values in Scotland for the foreseeable future and that Labour in Scotland should at least be pushing for Devo-Max.

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Tory Twat miles briggs ordering Sarwar to ditch pro-yes labour candidates Tories demand 'pro-independence' Labour council candidates in Edinburgh withdraw | Edinburgh News (scotsman.com) (https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/tories-demand-pro-independence-labour-council-candidates-in-edinburgh-withdraw-3630395?fbclid=IwAR2YF73bWq9bUbC_t5tjHylqui-6RPtFh3zfW2P8gh4L4WqfR9vCnZzui8A)


note he 'demands'

[Radium]

Len McKluskey on BBC Scotland getting torn in about Scottish Labour. He's saying that if he was Scottish he'd have voted for independence because it would be the only chance of implementing socialist values in Scotland for the foreseeable future and that Labour in Scotland should at least be pushing for Devo-Max.

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https://twitter.com/bbcscotnine/status/1508911878080188419?s=21&t=W3EzVDqGDkabtBIxgGhb1w


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[Kato]

note he 'demands'

Tory politicians - they are trained to be obnoxious, overbearing and entitled, not them all of course. Some aren't trained at all as they are brought up to behave that way.

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[He's here!]

Len McKluskey on BBC Scotland getting torn in about Scottish Labour. He's saying that if he was Scottish he'd have voted for independence because it would be the only chance of implementing socialist values in Scotland for the foreseeable future and that Labour in Scotland should at least be pushing for Devo-Max.

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McCluskey's a tool. He's as out of touch with Scotland as his 'comrade' Corbyn was and as such their brand of 'socialism' was decisively rejected at the ballot box here.

[Kato]

I don't think Labour's rejection in Scotland was anything to do with a brand of socialism.

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[Stairway 2 7]

If their wasn't an snp or independence debate and you still think boris would have done better than Corbyn in Scotland, then you need a reality check

[superfurryhibby]

https://www.itv.com/walesprogrammes/articles/sharp-end-kinnock-at-80

… different times but from the outside, the same battles seem to be continuing

Neil Kinnock at 80. Hadn’t heard the stat around how close the’91 election was


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It wasn’t close. Tories won with a 40 + seat majority and had 7% more of the overall vote. That election convinced me that Labour couldn’t deliver even a moderately left of centre government. Haven’t voted for them since.

[hibsbollah]

It wasn’t close. Tories won with a 40 + seat majority and had 7% more of the overall vote. That election convinced me that Labour couldn’t deliver even a moderately left of centre government. Haven’t voted for them since.

:agree:

General election stats are always used selectively (especially when left-baiting is the game) The 1987 election saw Labour under Kinnock get less of the popular vote in both absolute and percentage terms than Corbyn did in 2019 (the last one, the one that the media frequently tell us was 'the worst Labour performance since the war'. Also the Tories won a 140+seat majority in 1987, not the 80+ one it has now. It was a horrible night, there was hope that she was going to be unseated, but it really seemed that morning like we'd have Thatcher for ever.

[ronaldo7]

After dredging the Orange Lodge for candidates, Anas has played a blinder here.

A LABOUR councillor who was accused of racism by the party's own leader has been selected as a candidate for May's council elections.

Davie McLachlan will stand for Scottish Labour again in the Hamilton North and East ward despite the serious claims against him from the top of the party.

[Jack]

After dredging the Orange Lodge for candidates, Anas has played a blinder here.

A LABOUR councillor who was accused of racism by the party's own leader has been selected as a candidate for May's council elections.

Davie McLachlan will stand for Scottish Labour again in the Hamilton North and East ward despite the serious claims against him from the top of the party.

Is that the top of the left, right, centre or the top of some other faction of the party?

[hibsbollah]

Starmer at odds with Amnesty and the UN on whether Israel is an ‘apartheid state’.

https://www.thejc.com/news/politics/israel-is-not-an-apartheid-state-says-keir-starmer-as-he-apologises-for-the-corbyn-years-5tTeGqYxJE3DmQdQI2WIss

[Ozyhibby]

Sarwar going to work for Rupert Murdoch on Talk TV? Surely he’s not?


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[Mon Dieu4]

I just got my leaflet through the door from Scottish Labour who said they have a plan to put a windfall tax on oil and gas giants, am I being mental, how is Scottish Labour going to do that if they get elected in council elections?

[Moulin Yarns]

I just got my leaflet through the door from Scottish Labour who said they have a plan to put a windfall tax on oil and gas giants, am I being mental, how is Scottish Labour going to do that if they get elected in council elections?

Pretty much the same way they would 'when' they get elected to Holyrood. NEVER.

I've seen most of the party election broadcasts and it seems national issues are the main topic for all of them.

[Mr Grieves]

I just got my leaflet through the door from Scottish Labour who said they have a plan to put a windfall tax on oil and gas giants, am I being mental, how is Scottish Labour going to do that if they get elected in council elections?

I don't think it's possible even if they were elected as the Scottish government

[hibsbollah]

I just got my leaflet through the door from Scottish Labour who said they have a plan to put a windfall tax on oil and gas giants, am I being mental, how is Scottish Labour going to do that if they get elected in council elections?

Ive just had a glaikit Tory canvasser wandering through my back garden with an election leaflet for me. Didnt ring the bell, thought she could just wander up the back. ****er should think herself lucky I didnt set the power washer on her.

[Mon Dieu4]

Ive just had a glaikit Tory canvasser wandering through my back garden with an election leaflet for me. Didnt ring the bell, thought she could just wander up the back. ****er should think herself lucky I didnt set the power washer on her.

I like having a chat with them all, same with the Jehovah's and Mormons, gives me something to do, had a decent chat with the Labour dude a few weeks ago and asked why they keep shooting themselves in the foot, it's pretty obvious what they need to do in Scotland to get the vote count back up but they are hell bent on doing the exact opposite

[Jack]

Pretty much the same way they would 'when' they get elected to Holyrood. NEVER.

I've seen most of the party election broadcasts and it seems national issues are the main topic for all of them.

I keep on getting a tory advert on my Facebook newsfeed. The only message they have is don't vote Labour!

[ronaldo7]

Remember when they told us the jobs in Cumbernauld would stay if we voted NO...They lied.

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1514635786284683266

[weecounty hibby]

Remember when they told us the jobs in Cumbernauld would stay if we voted NO...They lied.

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1514635786284683266

Leader of Labour in Scotland and the Labour MP and MSPs all very quiet about this news as well. You would think that they would want to make a big noise about losing 1400 scottish jobs.

[greenginger]

Remember when they told us the jobs in Cumbernauld would stay if we voted NO...They lied.

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1514635786284683266


Was it not Revenue Scotland’s decision to close the Cumbernauald office and relocate to Glasgow

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Scotland

[Moulin Yarns]

Was it not Revenue Scotland’s decision to close the Cumbernauald office and relocate to Glasgow

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Scotland

Hmrc and revenues Scotland are 2 separate entities!!

As for hmrc closing the office in cumbernauld may be because of the location, is it in the town centre which is going to be replaced?

[CropleyWasGod]

Was it not Revenue Scotland’s decision to close the Cumbernauald office and relocate to Glasgow

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Scotland

They're based in Leith.

[grunt]

So where was Labour Lord George Foulkes last night? And why did he not vote against the Government's Elections Bill?

Once again this country has been let down by Labour. Time for Independence.

[weecounty hibby]

So where was Labour Lord George Foulkes last night? And why did he not vote against the Government's Elections Bill?

Once again this country has been let down by Labour. Time for Independence.
Apparently Labour were advising their Lords to abstain from the vote. A remarkable decision which in effect allowed a disgraceful piece of legislation to pass through the Lords. Labour and Tories are very hard to distinguish between at the moment on so many levels. Not so much opposition but just hoping that the Tory scandals keep coming so folk get sick of them and vote Labour. Their local government manifesto is just one long joke. They are promising things that cannot ever be done at local level, some not even at Holyrood level as they actually voted against having those powers. Windfall tax on utility companies being the most obvious one

[Hiber-nation]

Sarwar on the BBC Breakfast show just now making what is possibly the tiredest and most uninspiring rallying cry for votes in the history of politics.

[lucky]

Apparently Labour were advising their Lords to abstain from the vote. A remarkable decision which in effect allowed a disgraceful piece of legislation to pass through the Lords. Labour and Tories are very hard to distinguish between at the moment on so many levels. Not so much opposition but just hoping that the Tory scandals keep coming so folk get sick of them and vote Labour. Their local government manifesto is just one long joke. They are promising things that cannot ever be done at local level, some not even at Holyrood level as they actually voted against having those powers. Windfall tax on utility companies being the most obvious one

I’d say Labour and SNP are close in most policies rather than either two being closer to the Tories. I think it’s a lazy political argument to Red Tory or Tartan Tory.

[cabbageandribs1875]

why are these anti-semites so attracted to the Labour party :hmmm: vile repugnant individuals

Labour councillor alleged to have posted horrific article arguing “The Germans were completely justified in persecuting and expelling the Jews…just as we would be today” (antisemitism.org) (https://antisemitism.org/labour-councillor-alleged-to-have-posted-horrific-article-arguing-the-germans-were-completely-justified-in-persecuting-and-expelling-the-jewsjust-as-we-would-be-today/)

A Labour Party (https://antisemitism.org/politics/labour/) councillor is alleged (https://www.thejc.com/news/news/revealed-labour-councillor-standing-for-reelection-shared-holocaust-denial-article-HkJ97SVCPUerzJ99fKECc) to have posted (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=185651241801666&id=100010703743012) a horrific article (https://web.archive.org/web/20160211085022/http://freespeechtwentyfirstcentury.com/2016/02/07/the-holocaust-hoax-and-the-jewish-promotion-of-perversity/) arguing “The Germans were completely justified in persecuting and expelling the Jews…just as we would be today.”
Belgica Guaña is alleged to have posted the article, titled “The Holocaust Hoax and the Jewish Promotion of Perversity”, on Facebook in 2016, two years before she became a councillor in Newham in London, where she is running for re-election this week.



Cllr Guaña is not the only Labour candidate in the coming elections to be embroiled in controversy.
Cllr Lee Garvey, an independent candidate representing Pallister and Berwick Hills in Middlesbrough, had applied to become a member of the Labour Party, but was rejected after concerns were raised (https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-704922) about material that he had allegedly shared online. Cllr Garvey allegedly compared Israel’s policies to the Holocaust and referenced antisemitic conspiracy theories surrounding the Rothschild family.



A third figure caught up in controversy is former Labour MP Martin Linton. Mr Linton served as the MP for Battersea between 1997 and 2010, but is now running (https://twitter.com/BatterseaLabour/status/1498346288840126470?s=20&t=ie7ePOSXWW9hS-vql2-5IQ) as a council candidate in Wandsworth’s Lavender ward. He has allegedly made a number of inflammatory statements in the past.
In 2010, while Mr Linton was Chair of Labour Friends of Palestine, he reportedly (https://archive.ph/BvOyp) claimed that the “Israel lobby” played a malign role in marginal constituencies. During a meeting held at the House of Commons by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign and Friends of al-Aqsa, Mr Linton is reported (https://order-order.com/2022/04/26/ex-mp-labour-candidate-claimed-long-tentacles-of-israel-influence-uk-elections/) to have said that “There are long tentacles of Israel in this country who are funding election campaigns and putting money into the British political system for their own ends…When you make decisions about how you vote and how you advise constituents to vote, you must make them aware of the attempt by Israelis and by pro-Israelis to influence the election.”
In an appearance on the Islam Channel, Mr Linton said (https://twitter.com/habibi_uk/status/1518984869195440128?s=21&t=ug5b0Zkb7hkiUpb0LWtcQA) that the antisemitic genocidal terrorist group Hamas should not be called “terrorists”. That is, Mr Linton explained “the wrong word to use when you are talking about someone who is fighting a military occupation”. Mr Linton’s preferred term is “Gazan militants”, because, while the actions of individuals may be described as terroristic, the same apparently cannot be said for groups and governments.
In 2010, Mr Linton appeared (https://twitter.com/habibi_uk/status/1518984873062633472?s=20&t=ie7ePOSXWW9hS-vql2-5IQ) on the Iranian-backed news outlet PressTV to, it has been claimed, defend Hamas terrorists in Israeli prisons. On another occasion, he appeared on PressTV to defend Raed Salah, a prolific antisemite who claims that Israel planned 9/11.

[hibsbollah]

why are these anti-semites so attracted to the Labour party :hmmm: vile repugnant individuals

Labour councillor alleged to have posted horrific article arguing “The Germans were completely justified in persecuting and expelling the Jews…just as we would be today” (antisemitism.org) (https://antisemitism.org/labour-councillor-alleged-to-have-posted-horrific-article-arguing-the-germans-were-completely-justified-in-persecuting-and-expelling-the-jewsjust-as-we-would-be-today/)

A Labour Party (https://antisemitism.org/politics/labour/) councillor is alleged (https://www.thejc.com/news/news/revealed-labour-councillor-standing-for-reelection-shared-holocaust-denial-article-HkJ97SVCPUerzJ99fKECc) to have posted (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=185651241801666&id=100010703743012) a horrific article (https://web.archive.org/web/20160211085022/http://freespeechtwentyfirstcentury.com/2016/02/07/the-holocaust-hoax-and-the-jewish-promotion-of-perversity/) arguing “The Germans were completely justified in persecuting and expelling the Jews…just as we would be today.”
Belgica Guaña is alleged to have posted the article, titled “The Holocaust Hoax and the Jewish Promotion of Perversity”, on Facebook in 2016, two years before she became a councillor in Newham in London, where she is running for re-election this week.



Cllr Guaña is not the only Labour candidate in the coming elections to be embroiled in controversy.
Cllr Lee Garvey, an independent candidate representing Pallister and Berwick Hills in Middlesbrough, had applied to become a member of the Labour Party, but was rejected after concerns were raised (https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-704922) about material that he had allegedly shared online. Cllr Garvey allegedly compared Israel’s policies to the Holocaust and referenced antisemitic conspiracy theories surrounding the Rothschild family.



A third figure caught up in controversy is former Labour MP Martin Linton. Mr Linton served as the MP for Battersea between 1997 and 2010, but is now running (https://twitter.com/BatterseaLabour/status/1498346288840126470?s=20&t=ie7ePOSXWW9hS-vql2-5IQ) as a council candidate in Wandsworth’s Lavender ward. He has allegedly made a number of inflammatory statements in the past.
In 2010, while Mr Linton was Chair of Labour Friends of Palestine, he reportedly (https://archive.ph/BvOyp) claimed that the “Israel lobby” played a malign role in marginal constituencies. During a meeting held at the House of Commons by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign and Friends of al-Aqsa, Mr Linton is reported (https://order-order.com/2022/04/26/ex-mp-labour-candidate-claimed-long-tentacles-of-israel-influence-uk-elections/) to have said that “There are long tentacles of Israel in this country who are funding election campaigns and putting money into the British political system for their own ends…When you make decisions about how you vote and how you advise constituents to vote, you must make them aware of the attempt by Israelis and by pro-Israelis to influence the election.”
In an appearance on the Islam Channel, Mr Linton said (https://twitter.com/habibi_uk/status/1518984869195440128?s=21&t=ug5b0Zkb7hkiUpb0LWtcQA) that the antisemitic genocidal terrorist group Hamas should not be called “terrorists”. That is, Mr Linton explained “the wrong word to use when you are talking about someone who is fighting a military occupation”. Mr Linton’s preferred term is “Gazan militants”, because, while the actions of individuals may be described as terroristic, the same apparently cannot be said for groups and governments.
In 2010, Mr Linton appeared (https://twitter.com/habibi_uk/status/1518984873062633472?s=20&t=ie7ePOSXWW9hS-vql2-5IQ) on the Iranian-backed news outlet PressTV to, it has been claimed, defend Hamas terrorists in Israeli prisons. On another occasion, he appeared on PressTV to defend Raed Salah, a prolific antisemite who claims that Israel planned 9/11.

Interesting article.

If you drill down into the detail, the first case seems on the surface to be an absolute stonewall anti semitic post with horrific content. A councillor from Newham in London. The second and third cases involve councilors drawing comparisons with Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians with apartheid and with Nazi Germany, and also supporting Hamas as ‘freedom fighters’ rather than terrorists. NEITHER of these things are anti semitic and it is ridiculous to claim they are, just as it is ridiculous that the Labour Party now proscribes this kind of opinion as AS. It’s purely designed to protect Israel. There IS an active Israeli lobby that influences political debate in this country, that’s obvious too. And the way this report is framed, by having one shocking horrific series of allegations leading onto two further pure straw men, suggests this website is probably contributing to that influence. It’s another reason why Israel’s continued murders of kids in Gaza at the moment gets no media coverage.

I’ll be interested to see how those Belgica Guaña allegations develop. If it’s not been decontextualised she is clearly a genuine anti Semite.

[Moulin Yarns]

Police in Durham to investigate Keir starmer beergate party



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61352174

[He's here!]

Police in Durham to investigate Keir starmer beergate party



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61352174

Presumably he'd have to resign in the event of a fine?

[Stairway 2 7]

Pretty much the same as the tories were doing, partying when we couldn't. Doubt Starmer will resign if charged.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/witness-casts-new-doubt-on-keir-starmers-curry-claim-6pc05gnn2

[Glory Lurker]

Can't believe there is even a suggestion Starmer should resign if he's fined. He's not a member of the government. It just shows how skewed to the tory right the media narrative is that folk are even thinking this.

[Stairway 2 7]

Can't believe there is even a suggestion Starmer should resign if he's fined. He's not a member of the government. It just shows how skewed to the tory right the media narrative is that folk are even thinking this.

He said rishi should resign because he was charged for cake gate. If he gets fined for the beers and curry, then as the leader of the opposition its hypocritical and making an arse of yourself not to. I don't think either of them should resign but if I said one should then both should.

Boris is different as he lied to parliament so actually should resign. All 3 of them are establishment ********s so will do what's best for them regardless anyway

[147lothian]

why are these anti-semites so attracted to the Labour party :hmmm: vile repugnant individuals

Labour councillor alleged to have posted horrific article arguing “The Germans were completely justified in persecuting and expelling the Jews…just as we would be today” (antisemitism.org) (https://antisemitism.org/labour-councillor-alleged-to-have-posted-horrific-article-arguing-the-germans-were-completely-justified-in-persecuting-and-expelling-the-jewsjust-as-we-would-be-today/)

A Labour Party (https://antisemitism.org/politics/labour/) councillor is alleged (https://www.thejc.com/news/news/revealed-labour-councillor-standing-for-reelection-shared-holocaust-denial-article-HkJ97SVCPUerzJ99fKECc) to have posted (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=185651241801666&id=100010703743012) a horrific article (https://web.archive.org/web/20160211085022/http://freespeechtwentyfirstcentury.com/2016/02/07/the-holocaust-hoax-and-the-jewish-promotion-of-perversity/) arguing “The Germans were completely justified in persecuting and expelling the Jews…just as we would be today.”
Belgica Guaña is alleged to have posted the article, titled “The Holocaust Hoax and the Jewish Promotion of Perversity”, on Facebook in 2016, two years before she became a councillor in Newham in London, where she is running for re-election this week.



Cllr Guaña is not the only Labour candidate in the coming elections to be embroiled in controversy.
Cllr Lee Garvey, an independent candidate representing Pallister and Berwick Hills in Middlesbrough, had applied to become a member of the Labour Party, but was rejected after concerns were raised (https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-704922) about material that he had allegedly shared online. Cllr Garvey allegedly compared Israel’s policies to the Holocaust and referenced antisemitic conspiracy theories surrounding the Rothschild family.



A third figure caught up in controversy is former Labour MP Martin Linton. Mr Linton served as the MP for Battersea between 1997 and 2010, but is now running (https://twitter.com/BatterseaLabour/status/1498346288840126470?s=20&t=ie7ePOSXWW9hS-vql2-5IQ) as a council candidate in Wandsworth’s Lavender ward. He has allegedly made a number of inflammatory statements in the past.
In 2010, while Mr Linton was Chair of Labour Friends of Palestine, he reportedly (https://archive.ph/BvOyp) claimed that the “Israel lobby” played a malign role in marginal constituencies. During a meeting held at the House of Commons by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign and Friends of al-Aqsa, Mr Linton is reported (https://order-order.com/2022/04/26/ex-mp-labour-candidate-claimed-long-tentacles-of-israel-influence-uk-elections/) to have said that “There are long tentacles of Israel in this country who are funding election campaigns and putting money into the British political system for their own ends…When you make decisions about how you vote and how you advise constituents to vote, you must make them aware of the attempt by Israelis and by pro-Israelis to influence the election.”
In an appearance on the Islam Channel, Mr Linton said (https://twitter.com/habibi_uk/status/1518984869195440128?s=21&t=ug5b0Zkb7hkiUpb0LWtcQA) that the antisemitic genocidal terrorist group Hamas should not be called “terrorists”. That is, Mr Linton explained “the wrong word to use when you are talking about someone who is fighting a military occupation”. Mr Linton’s preferred term is “Gazan militants”, because, while the actions of individuals may be described as terroristic, the same apparently cannot be said for groups and governments.
In 2010, Mr Linton appeared (https://twitter.com/habibi_uk/status/1518984873062633472?s=20&t=ie7ePOSXWW9hS-vql2-5IQ) on the Iranian-backed news outlet PressTV to, it has been claimed, defend Hamas terrorists in Israeli prisons. On another occasion, he appeared on PressTV to defend Raed Salah, a prolific antisemite who claims that Israel planned 9/11.

As to the question why are so many anti semites attracted to the Labour Party the reason for me is because the Labour Party has abandoned the issue of class, and fully embraced the issue of identity politics. Constituency labour party branches are now made up of middle class University graduates who fully support identity politics, identity politics has a oppression hierarchy where palestinian's are oppressed therefore you support them and Jews are oppressors so your against Jews, if your against Jews its only a short step to becoming an anti semite.

Identity politics also have other crazy ideas of course. Identity politics rejects biological reality ie that there are only two genders male and female it thinks you can be any gender you like with new genders getting invented each week. This is of course a Woke idea, but although the woke self identify as left wing I don't see them as left wing at all, Karl Marx once said that "the liberation of women is the liberation of all". If you pretend you don't even know what a women is because your so captured by the latest trend of identity politics you can't liberate women or even defend their rights. If a man can self identify as a women and go into a woman's shower room, take the gold medals in woman's sports or as in the case of the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre the CEO is a man in a woman's dress calling victims of rape bigots for not going along with the pantomime of pretending that the man in a woman's dress is a woman.

The Labour party abandoning class and being taken over by the identity politics of middle class inner city university graduates for me is also the reason it can't win another general election, because when these people from Islington North London go to working class areas in the North of England they find that working class people are not interested in all the identity politics crap that comes out of the universities , they are interested in issues that are real, ie class issues.

[He's here!]

Can't believe there is even a suggestion Starmer should resign if he's fined. He's not a member of the government. It just shows how skewed to the tory right the media narrative is that folk are even thinking this.

He's repeatedly stated that those in government who have come under police investigation over partygate should resign. As leader of the opposition you asume he'd have to hold himself to the same standards over beergate (or currygate as it now appears to have become), especially as he actually called for stronger restrictions on socialising than the government themselves imposed.

He's certainly ended up in a mess over this when he'd have been hoping to focus on Labour's modest local election gains.

[Ozyhibby]

He's repeatedly stated that those in government who have come under police investigation over partygate should resign. As leader of the opposition you asume he'd have to hold himself to the same standards over beergate (or currygate as it now appears to have become), especially as he actually called for stronger restrictions on socialising than the government themselves imposed.

He's certainly ended up in a mess over this when he'd have been hoping to focus on Labour's modest local election gains.

I see no equivalence here at all but as I’m not a Labour supporter I can’t be bothered defending him. He can resign if he likes. He’s making zero difference to Labour support in Scotland so it doesn’t matter to me either way. And he’s not going to win in England once the Tories get their new leader and rebrand as a brand new government.


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[He's here!]

I see no equivalence here at all but as I’m not a Labour supporter I can’t be bothered defending him. He can resign if he likes. He’s making zero difference to Labour support in Scotland so it doesn’t matter to me either way. And he’s not going to win in England once the Tories get their new leader and rebrand as a brand new government.


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I don't personally think he should resign over this but he's painted himself into a corner, especially as it now appears this event was pre-planned.

Corbyn loyalist Dianne Abbott isn't helping his cause by calling on him to 'consider his position':

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/07/diane-abbott-starmer-should-consider-his-position-if-fined-over-beergate

[Ozyhibby]

I don't personally think he should resign over this but he's painted himself into a corner, especially as it now appears this event was pre-planned.

Corbyn loyalist Dianne Abbott isn't helping his cause by calling on him to 'consider his position':

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/07/diane-abbott-starmer-should-consider-his-position-if-fined-over-beergate

That’s the least of the ways she doesn’t help his cause. Just reminding people she is still a Labour mp does far more damage.[emoji23]


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[Santa Cruz]

Can't believe there is even a suggestion Starmer should resign if he's fined. He's not a member of the government. It just shows how skewed to the tory right the media narrative is that folk are even thinking this.

I agree. Apparently Rayner now saying he should resign if fined. Clearly an agenda, starting to look like he's been set up imo. She got healthy trade union financial backing for her campaign for the Deputy position. Ruthless or what??

[Ozyhibby]

I agree. Apparently Rayner now saying he should resign if fined. Clearly an agenda, starting to look like he's been set up imo. She got healthy trade union financial backing for her campaign for the Deputy position. Ruthless or what??

Where does Rayner say that?


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[Santa Cruz]

Where does Rayner say that?


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Sophie Raworth asked Lisa Nandy if she agreed with Rayner's comment on her show this morning. First I'd heard too, why I put "apparently".

[Ozyhibby]

I think if Starmer does resign it’s bad for Johnson and the Tories.


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[Santa Cruz]

I think if Starmer does resign it’s bad for Johnson and the Tories.


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It's not good for Labour if this happens. Lib Dems will score as voters remain confused and reluctant to vote for either main party.

[LewysGot2]

I agree. Apparently Rayner now saying he should resign if fined. Clearly an agenda, starting to look like he's been set up imo. She got healthy trade union financial backing for her campaign for the Deputy position. Ruthless or what??

Can you link to this?

cheers

[lapsedhibee]

If Rayner and Abbott are pretty sure that Starmer won't be fined, their making it clear that he should resign if fined is good PR for Labour. If Starmer is also pretty sure he won't be fined, he should also say out loud that he will resign if fined. Then when he's 'cleared' by the polis his calls for Johnson to go will sound all the better.

Unless he and Labour don't really want Johnson to go now, and would prefer that Partygate rumbles on until 2024.

[Santa Cruz]

Can you link to this?

cheers

It was that BBC show that used to be the Marr slot. Might be on the iplayer.

Edit - She is asked just before 9.30. I had to rewind to double check as was starting to think I'd picked up the question wrong, was only half listening to the show.

[Ozyhibby]

It was that BBC show that used to be the Marr slot. Might be on the iplayer.

Edit - She is asked just before 9.30. I had to rewind to double check as was starting to think I'd picked up the question wrong, was only half listening to the show.

I’d be surprised if she said that because if she had it would be all over my Twitter the way it is with Abbot?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220508/b702a3e3c4d9d2e65cb7a0f2902b26fc.jpg


Also, she was working in that office that day as well?
Super smart move today from Starmer is to come out today and say he will resign if he is fined. Makes him look principled and shows up Johnson. And costs him nothing because if he’s fined he has to go anyway.


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[heretoday]

I wish Starmer and Johnson would both resign taking full responsibility for covid parties in both their camps.

Then we can stop hearing about this tedious business.

[Santa Cruz]

I’d be surprised if she said that because if she had it would be all over my Twitter the way it is with Abbot?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220508/b702a3e3c4d9d2e65cb7a0f2902b26fc.jpg


Also, she was working in that office that day as well?
Super smart move today from Starmer is to come out today and say he will resign if he is fined. Makes him look principled and shows up Johnson. And costs him nothing because if he’s fined he has to go anyway.


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You could well be correct. Was quite taken aback when I heard the question. Don't know what to make of it all.

[Stairway 2 7]

There's surely no way he doesn't get fined if cake gate attendees do. The witness in the times said some people came just for the party and didn't work, also contrary to what Starmer said no work was done during of after the beers.

People can't go nuts about cake gate then say this was fine. Both a load of nonsense in my opinion though, although lying to parliament is different

[He's here!]

That’s the least of the ways she doesn’t help his cause. Just reminding people she is still a Labour mp does far more damage.[emoji23]


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You're not wrong there.

[Just Alf]

There's 'gatherings' at no 10 that have already been excluded with no case to answer as they've been designated as work related (the beer and wine in the garden as an example), unless there's double standards within the police I don't see how they can now say the Durham incident broke the laws at the time.

Watching the politicians of various parties getting interviewed on TV I wish they'd all get asked, "when you were out campaigning did you stop for lunch or dinner with your colleagues at any point"
I wonder how many would be happy to go on public record and say "no I didnt"?

[He's here!]

There's surely no way he doesn't get fined if cake gate attendees do. The witness in the times said some people came just for the party and didn't work, also contrary to what Starmer said no work was done during of after the beers.

People can't go nuts about cake gate then say this was fine. Both a load of nonsense in my opinion though, although lying to parliament is different

Whether 'ambushed' by cake, beer or curry I agree these stories look increasingly daft, but Starmer's problem is that he insisted the PM and Chancellor should resign simply for being under police investigation. He now finds himself in the same position but says he won't quit either.

[Ozyhibby]

Whether 'ambushed' by cake, beer or curry I agree these stories look increasingly daft, but Starmer's problem is that he insisted the PM and Chancellor should resign simply for being under police investigation. He now finds himself in the same position but says he won't quit either.

They are not the same. Having a birthday cake and signing Happy birthday is a strictly personal thing even among work friends. Ordering in a curry, even if it’s washed down with a beer, while working is not.
If Starmer resigns it probably helps Labour and I don’t care if he stays or goes but the circumstances of both are different. And the rules at the time of these incidents were different as well.
You are desperate to equate the two incidents because that’s how it works but I’m not sure everyone else does.


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Sophie Raworth asked Lisa Nandy if she agreed with Rayner's comment on her show this morning. First I'd heard too, why I put "apparently".

Maybe a slip of the tongue from Raworth and she meant to say Abbott? Rayner was at the 'party', something Labour initially denied but then backtracked and admitted she was there. Hard to imagine Rayner would call for Starmer to resign if she was 'partying' as well?

I know there's little love lost between them (he tried unsuccessfully to sack her shortly after becoming leader) but this doesn't strike me as the right time for her to attempt to usurp him.

[Ozyhibby]

Out of interest, did Durham police investigate Cummings? If not, then this would seem to be politically motivated?


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[He's here!]

They are not the same. Having a birthday cake and signing Happy birthday is a strictly personal thing even among work friends. Ordering in a curry, even if it’s washed down with a beer, while working is not.
If Starmer resigns it probably helps Labour and I don’t care if he stays or goes but the circumstances of both are different. And the rules at the time of these incidents were different as well.
You are desperate to equate the two incidents because that’s how it works but I’m not sure everyone else does.


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You seem to care enough to keep posting about it :wink:

I agree it may actually benefit Labour if he were to end up standing down. I thought he might be the right guy to bring them back to electability after the Corbyn fiasco, but he's been a major disappointment so far. He just doesn't cut it as a potential PM. Then again, May (who I thought was the poorest PM in my lifetime) is starting to look positively states(wo)manlike in comparison to Johnson so maybe he can continue to trade enough on Tory sleaze to get him over the line despite offering next to nothing from a Labour point of view that actually impresses voters.

[Moulin Yarns]

Out of interest, did Durham police investigate Cummings? If not, then this would seem to be politically motivated?


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https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/news-analysis/starmer-durham-police-covid-cummings-b2073291.html

[Jack]

Out of interest, did Durham police investigate Cummings? If not, then this would seem to be politically motivated?


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Durham police refused to consider a 255 page report on Cummings breaking covid laws.

They had previously investigated beergate and decided no case to answer. However the local tory MP insisted they reopen the investigation and just before the local elections they announced they would have another look. This at the same time the Met have said no politicians will be named as being issued with FPNs for party party gate misdemeanours.

Odd eh?

[lapsedhibee]

Durham police refused to consider a 255 page report on Cummings breaking covid laws.

They had previously investigated beergate and decided no case to answer. However the local tory MP insisted they reopen the investigation and just before the local elections they announced they would have another look. This at the same time the Met have said no politicians will be named as being issued with FPNs for party party gate misdemeanours.

Odd eh?

When will the nature of the 'significant new evidence' become known? :dunno:

[Ozyhibby]

You seem to care enough to keep posting about it :wink:

I agree it may actually benefit Labour if he were to end up standing down. I thought he might be the right guy to bring them back to electability after the Corbyn fiasco, but he's been a major disappointment so far. He just doesn't cut it as a potential PM. Then again, May (who I thought was the poorest PM in my lifetime) is starting to look positively states(wo)manlike in comparison to Johnson so maybe he can continue to trade enough on Tory sleaze to get him over the line despite offering next to nothing from a Labour point of view that actually impresses voters.

I’m bored while waiting to head of to Ozyhibby jnr’s match this afternoon.[emoji23]


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[LewysGot2]

Durham police refused to consider a 255 page report on Cummings breaking covid laws.

They had previously investigated beergate and decided no case to answer. However the local tory MP insisted they reopen the investigation and just before the local elections they announced they would have another look. This at the same time the Met have said no politicians will be named as being issued with FPNs for party party gate misdemeanours.

Odd eh?

I think you sum things up nicely. Bizarre folk think that the issue is Starmer.

All this is is a Tory press keeping Brexit, cost of living, party gate and the loss of hundreds upon hundreds of seats at the expense of Lab and Lib Dems, N Ireland etc off the front pages

[Santa Cruz]

Maybe a slip of the tongue from Raworth and she meant to say Abbott? Rayner was at the 'party', something Labour initially denied but then backtracked and admitted she was there. Hard to imagine Rayner would call for Starmer to resign if she was 'partying' as well?

I know there's little love lost between them (he tried unsuccessfully to sack her shortly after becoming leader) but this doesn't strike me as the right time for her to attempt to usurp him.

Who took the photo of Starmer though, who knew their schedule for that day, think there's now a leaked document showing the curry had been prebooked?? Was Rayner in any photo's? Had to be an inside job, no? I feel quite sorry for the man, but he's not interviewing well when asked about this incident. Ideally Andy Burnham would be an MP wanting this job right now, but as he's not I'll back Wes Streeting, really like him.

[stu in nottingham]

He just doesn't cut it as a potential PM.

Lol.

Judging by the current encumbent no...no he certainly doesnt. :wink:

[Stairway 2 7]

Who took the photo of Starmer though, who knew their schedule for that day, think there's now a leaked document showing the curry had been prebooked?? Was Rayner in any photo's? Had to be an inside job, no? I feel quite sorry for the man, but he's not interviewing well when asked about this incident. Ideally Andy Burnham would be an MP wanting this job right now, but as he's not I'll back Wes Streeting, really like him.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/local-news/live-angry-witness-ready-tell-23896124.amp

Probably the same witness that says they will help police. They say some people came to it specifically for the drinks and weren't working. Said no work was done during or after, it was just post work drinks

They said some people at the event were just there "getting p***ed. They were just there for a jolly."

[He's here!]

Who took the photo of Starmer though, who knew their schedule for that day, think there's now a leaked document showing the curry had been prebooked?? Was Rayner in any photo's? Had to be an inside job, no? I feel quite sorry for the man, but he's not interviewing well when asked about this incident. Ideally Andy Burnham would be an MP wanting this job right now, but as he's not I'll back Wes Streeting, really like him.

Pretty much all these exposes are inside jobs but do you think Rayner would really stitch him up like that?

[ronaldo7]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/local-news/live-angry-witness-ready-tell-23896124.amp

Probably the same witness that says they will help police. They say some people came to it specifically for the drinks and weren't working. Said no work was done during or after, it was just post work drinks

They said some people at the event were just there "getting p***ed. They were just there for a jolly."

But did they bring the booze in a suitcase.

[Santa Cruz]

Pretty much all these exposes are inside jobs but do you think Rayner would really stitch him up like that?

No, not until I heard Raworth mention her name this morning, just got me wondering.

[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1523240612694159361

Anas really has gone to town on the brasso. Welcoming the Orange order and ostracising those of an independent mind. Bitter, angry and divisive is what you've now got as a councillor, Anas.

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1523240612694159361

Anas really has gone to town on the brasso. Welcoming the Orange order and ostracising those of an independent mind. Bitter, angry and divisive is what you've now got as a councillor, Anas.Like the DUP in NI and the Republicans in the US, the OO's beliefs are more akin to the Taliban. There is nothing forward-looking about them in any way.

If Labour want to win power again they must start addressing issues from a point of view which discusses disparity and class rather than identity.

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[degenerated]

I agree. Apparently Rayner now saying he should resign if fined. Clearly an agenda, starting to look like he's been set up imo. She got healthy trade union financial backing for her campaign for the Deputy position. Ruthless or what??Wasn't she there as well?

[Just Alf]

Wasn't she there as well?Yup she was.....


As I alluded to in my earlier post... its been really noticeable that actual party members and politicians as a whole have kept relatively quiet about it. Every party has done similar and most MP's would be implicated, especially the "it was on the agenda" element included... almost every single time an MP is out visiting and supporting local candidates an agenda for the day is created and shared so we all know when there's breaks etc.

[lapsedhibee]

Yup she was.....


As I alluded to in my earlier post... its been really noticeable that actual party members and politicians as a whole have kept relatively quiet about it. Every party has done similar and most MP's would be implicated, especially the "it was on the agenda" element included... almost every single time an MP is out visiting and supporting local candidates an agenda for the day is created and shared so we all know when there's breaks etc.

Even now it's mind boggling that Starmer feeding is being spun by the billionaire press as premeditated and therefore not only as bad as but actually worse than Johnson who was innocently ambushed etc etc. Desperate, desperate stuff.

[He's here!]

Even now it's mind boggling that Starmer feeding is being spun by the billionaire press as premeditated and therefore not only as bad as but actually worse than Johnson who was innocently ambushed etc etc. Desperate, desperate stuff.

The feeding is coming as much from those within his own party judging by info leaked over the last few days.

[lapsedhibee]

The feeding is coming as much from those within his own party judging by info leaked over the last few days.

Might well be leaking from within Labour but the spinning by Mailexpresssuntelegraph is ludicrous.

[hibsbollah]

Even now it's mind boggling that Starmer feeding is being spun by the billionaire press as premeditated and therefore not only as bad as but actually worse than Johnson who was innocently ambushed etc etc. Desperate, desperate stuff.

Agreed, but it’s exceptionally bad politics not to covered his derrière while holding the ‘Boris must go if he’s found to have broken lockdown rules’ line. Despite having these Blairrite advisors around him, presumably because they do PR, he seems bizarrely unaware that this might have been a bad idea.

[Santa Cruz]

Wasn't she there as well?

Aye. My confusion was down to my earliest post about the question put to Nandy this morning about the Rayner comment. It may be that Raworth did make a mistake and meant Abbott.

[degenerated]

Aye. My confusion was down to my earliest post about the question put to Nandy this morning about the Rayner comment. It may be that Raworth did make a mistake and meant Abbott.That would make sense as Abbott has been quite vocal about. Would be an odd move for Rayner to try and make capital out of it.

[lapsedhibee]

Aye. My confusion was down to my earliest post about the question put to Nandy this morning about the Rayner comment. It may be that Raworth did make a mistake and meant Abbott.

Someone from the BBC would have been in Raworth's ear straightaway insisting that she correct her error, though, in case the error stirred up trouble for Labour?

Maybe she'll tweet something in a couple weeks, as Kuenssberg and Smith used to do.

[lapsedhibee]

Agreed, but it’s exceptionally bad politics not to covered his derrière while holding the ‘Boris must go if he’s found to have broken lockdown rules’ line. Despite having these Blairrite advisors around him, presumably because they do PR, he seems bizarrely unaware that this might have been a bad idea.

Think it was worse than that. It was 'Boris must go if he's being investigated for breaking lockdown rules'. Bit of a gaffe for sure, though shirley not on the same plane as being a congenital liar.

[ronaldo7]

Reports that Labour are now going after the British Unionist party councillors vote in North Lanarkshire to keep them in power. Sheesh.

[JeMeSouviens]

The Guardian reporting that Starmer is contemplating stating he will resign if given a FPN. (Uncharacteristically) ballsy move. And would put the Tories right back in it. Either Starmer is found within rules or he has the integrity to fall on his sword.

Could be ... "nothing in his leadership became him like the leaving of it". :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

The Guardian reporting that Starmer is contemplating stating he will resign if given a FPN. (Uncharacteristically) ballsy move. And would put the Tories right back in it. Either Starmer is found within rules or he has the integrity to fall on his sword.

Could be ... "nothing in his leadership became him like the leaving of it". :greengrin

He should have said this from the beginning. That’s what the situation is anyway so there is only upside in him putting it out there.


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[Ozyhibby]

Starmer to make statement at 4pm. Sensible move. Puts massive pressure on Johnson.


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[Chorley Hibee]

Starmer will resign if he receives a FPN.

[Aldo]

Starmer to make statement at 4pm. Sensible move. Puts massive pressure on Johnson.


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If he is fined he will stand down!


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[JeMeSouviens]

Good move from Starmer. Hilariously the right wing press (Sun and Telegraph) now accusing him of undermining the police investigation. :faf:

[LewysGot2]

Good move from Starmer. Hilariously the right wing press (Sun and Telegraph) now accusing him of undermining the police investigation. :faf:

Of course they are :rolleyes:

The current PM is their useful, self-indulgent idiot

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

I don't think that anyone saw this coming. The right wing press have been caught flat footed.

[147lothian]

I find it hard to believe that Starmer was at a party, any room with Kier Starmer in it is by definition not a party.

[Ozyhibby]

I don't think that anyone saw this coming. The right wing press have been caught flat footed.

It was the obvious political move on Friday. He should have known this then and went for it. He needs sharper political operators round about him. Instead he let his opponents write all the headlines all weekend about him and not the Tory failure in the local elections. He really needs to sort that out. He’s not a natural political person, so he needs to appoint a really sharp advisor.


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I find it hard to believe that Starmer was at a party, any room with Kier Starmer in it is by definition not a party.

:-)

I'd imagine the best scenario now for both the Tories and Starmer's opponents within his own party would be for Durham police to conclude rules WERE broken but NOT to issue a fine, thus leaving him continuing to carry this baggage around.

Apparently the police investigation could take up to eight weeks. How is that possible?!

[Stairway 2 7]

I think the tories are such brazen toffs that they will just sneer and not care if he resigns, although the electorate should surely look down on them.

You'd with with his contacts and experience he'd be clued up if he's going to get a fine or not

[SHODAN]

Starmer and maybe even Johnson gone if he's given a fine, two for the price of one. :aok:

[Northernhibee]

The gutter press claiming that this is Starmer putting pressure on the police. Shameful.

[147lothian]

Starmer and maybe even Johnson gone if he's given a fine, two for the price of one. :aok:

A bit like throwing the wooden ball in the fair ground and knocking off two coconuts:bye:

[ronaldo7]

When Anas said labour wouldn't be going into coalitions or agreements with other parties during the local government elections, was he telling us lies again?

Im seeing coalitions being formed with the Tories again.

[Ozyhibby]

When Anas said labour wouldn't be going into coalitions or agreements with other parties during the local government elections, was he telling us lies again?

Im seeing coalitions being formed with the Tories again.

They already run non compete agreements with each other all over Scotland. Only a matter of time before full merger.


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[ronaldo7]

It seems Anas isn't in control of his branch office after all. James Kelly is running the show.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-labour-leak-confirms-flexibility-26984880?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

[ronaldo7]

The SNP group in North Lanarkshire, reaching out to Labour. What way will they go?

SNP, or the Tories and the British Unionist party.

https://twitter.com/nlc_snp/status/1526473013843181568

[Kato]

SNP, or the Tories and the British Unionist party.



There seems to be pattern emerging regarding some Labour voters and candidates in that their identity politics outweighs their class politics, even at local level. So they will probably go with the far right party and the bup.


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[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1526656247491067904

New: SNP and Greens in Edinburgh council coalition talks as historic deal looms.

This is what happens when Scottish Labour walks off the pitch.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1526656247491067904

New: SNP and Greens in Edinburgh council coalition talks as historic deal looms.

This is what happens when Scottish Labour walks off the pitch.

To be fair to Scottish Labour they haven’t completely walked of them pitch. They are doing deals with the Tories wherever it’s possible.


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[hibsbollah]

In 2019, Mark Brown was a Conservative Party member who stood as a Conservative Party candidate against Labour in Newport East and lost.

Today he has completed the ‘Labour Future Candidates Programme’ to represent Keir Starmer’s Labour Party.

Confusing times :dunno:

[Stonewall]

To be fair to Scottish Labour they haven’t completely walked of them pitch. They are doing deals with the Tories wherever it’s possible.


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A bit like the SNP prior to 2011 then.

[SHODAN]

Labour are about to form a unionist coalition in all but name with the Tories/LDs in Fife despite LOSING councillors. You give them one iota of power again and they literally just return to what caused them to lose it in the first place.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/281836324_1948817965305846_8970738532774517922_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=Snk0CyIPXcgAX-Kq5ex&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT8jGnYt6K8dwcFEpcJTNXx1u-GwrViBwfK0EEi5J19k3g&oe=628AAB20

[Ozyhibby]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/281836324_1948817965305846_8970738532774517922_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=Snk0CyIPXcgAX-Kq5ex&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT8jGnYt6K8dwcFEpcJTNXx1u-GwrViBwfK0EEi5J19k3g&oe=628AAB20

They seem to be taking their own supporters for fools by saying that they have not done deals with the Tories when everyone can see it?


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[ronaldo7]

They seem to be taking their own supporters for fools by saying that they have not done deals with the Tories when everyone can see it?


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It's really whether the supporters left are unionists or socialist, and will they take their millionaire leader to task.

[hibsbollah]

For ‘veteran election team’ read Mandelson whispering…

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/21/quash-talk-of-a-labour-deal-with-snp-now-veteran-election-team-urges-starmer

[Ozyhibby]

For ‘veteran election team’ read Mandelson whispering…

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/21/quash-talk-of-a-labour-deal-with-snp-now-veteran-election-team-urges-starmer

Keep saying you’ll never work with Scotland’s mp’s.[emoji106] Will do wonders for the union.


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[ronaldo7]

For ‘veteran election team’ read Mandelson whispering…

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/21/quash-talk-of-a-labour-deal-with-snp-now-veteran-election-team-urges-starmer

Ultra British nationalist group distances itself from the SNP. Shock horror. 😂

[Radium]

Apparently it is a minority Labour administration in West Lothian, not a LabCon partnership

https://twitter.com/camiglasgowsgp/status/1529031758796177409?s=21&t=a5Gl72je8d9DR0oIY0X2sw



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[Ozyhibby]

Apparently it is a minority Labour administration in West Lothian, not a LabCon partnership

https://twitter.com/camiglasgowsgp/status/1529031758796177409?s=21&t=a5Gl72je8d9DR0oIY0X2sw



https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220524/61566985f80ad5d61348f2ce8ef0db5e.jpg


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Of course it is.[emoji6][emoji23]


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[Just Alf]

Apparently it is a minority Labour administration in West Lothian, not a LabCon partnership

https://twitter.com/camiglasgowsgp/status/1529031758796177409?s=21&t=a5Gl72je8d9DR0oIY0X2sw



https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220524/61566985f80ad5d61348f2ce8ef0db5e.jpg


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