Winter transfer thread 2024/25

[JohnM1875]

We are also on a good unbeaten run so any new signing probably wouldn't get straight into the team anyway.

Absolutely, far too late now. No doubt rest a few against Clydebank as well and get some injured bodies back. Still, some actual transfer chat would be good!

[Brightside]

We need someone in right now to replace Newell. Sounds like another 3 + weeks he will be out

[AlbertK86]

Evening News reporting Newell out for next few games.

Midfield is missing him big time as our numerous other back up CM are not of the standard required.

Would love is to pull in a quality signing in there along the lines of what we were trying get in Luke McCowan.

Allan Campbell would be one that jumps to mind but I suspect he doesn’t want to come back to Scotland


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[007]

Honestly thought we would’ve had a signing in to improve us before the ‘well game (appreciate we still could, just highly doubt it)

Aye, we left it late last window and got Maolida, but if anything, leaving it that late probably cost us just missing out on the top six. Something that could easily happen again this year, we’re still bottom six.

I imagine the Maolida deal was done as quickly as possible so if it had been you in charge saying scrap the Maolida deal, just get someone in then we would probably have ended up with someone worse and been further away from top 6.

[Smartie]

We need someone in right now to replace Newell. Sounds like another 3 + weeks he will be out

I think we need to be asking ourselves (and the medical team) is it likely to be a set 3 week or 6 week recovery or the like, or is it going to end up being a rolling 2 weeks through to the end of the season.

If it's likely to just be a few weeks then NMW getting his chance might not be the worst idea. Our schedule opens up a wee bit soon, not as intense as it has been.

If it's going to be a remotely lengthy spell out then I think we probably need to source a decent loan to replace him, possibly sending Kwon back to Celtic who I don't think will be an adequate replacement.

Newell is a huge miss in this team imo.

[bingo70]

We need someone in right now to replace Newell. Sounds like another 3 + weeks he will be out

Any idea how any of our young midfielders have been doing out on loan?

Murray Aitken and Reuben McAllister both highly rated midfielders aren’t they? Could they be worth getting back in the fold? Would rather they were on the bench instead of Amos if he’s likely to be away.

[Mcbizz1998]

The Newell situation is becoming a real issue. As usual we are told he is out for a short period and then isn’t seen for weeks. Why does that happen so often with Hibs players?

[Brightside]

Any idea how any of our young midfielders have been doing out on loan?

Murray Aitken and Reuben McAllister both highly rated midfielders aren’t they? Could they be worth getting back in the fold? Would rather they were on the bench instead of Amos if he’s likely to be away.

None of them are good enough Bingo. Jacob at a stretch. But I agree we need rid of Amos and a starting CM in this week.

[Brightside]

The Newell situation is becoming a real issue. As usual we are told he is out for a short period and then isn’t seen for weeks. Why does that happen so often with Hibs players?

I imagine it's just the manager not wanting to tell other teams the issue rather than them not knowing what's going on. Same with the Ellie "sore toe" thing. He could have played the last few games if we really wanted to play him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Any idea how any of our young midfielders have been doing out on loan?

Murray Aitken and Reuben McAllister both highly rated midfielders aren’t they? Could they be worth getting back in the fold? Would rather they were on the bench instead of Amos if he’s likely to be away.

Murray Aiken is at Airdie. Has only started 6 games, not sure if some of that is through injury but there’s also just plenty games he’s come off the bench. McAllister can’t get much of a look in at Cove in League One.

There’s no youth players, either on loan or currently at the club, suitable for the first team currently.

[PatHead]

Murray Aiken is at Airdie. Has only started 6 games, not sure if some of that is through injury but there’s also just plenty games he’s come off the bench. McAllister can’t get much of a look in at Cove in League One.

There’s no youth players, either on loan or currently at the club, suitable for the first team currently.

What about Rudi?

[Paulie Walnuts]

What about Rudi?

I more meant ones that aren’t already involved with the first team.

That being said, at this point in time I’d suggest Rudi isn’t ready either. A loan to the Championship would be the best move for him imo.

[Aldo]

I imagine it's just the manager not wanting to tell other teams the issue rather than them not knowing what's going on. Same with the Ellie "sore toe" thing. He could have played the last few games if HE really wanted to play.

Changed a few words in the last sentence Brightside!

[jeffers]

Newell becoming a better player the longer he’s out ? :duck:

[flash]

I imagine it's just the manager not wanting to tell other teams the issue rather than them not knowing what's going on. Same with the Ellie "sore toe" thing. He could have played the last few games if we really wanted to play him.

Despite the fact he was hobbling round the pitch after the game on Sunday?

[jeffers]

Despite the fact he was hobbling round the pitch after the game on Sunday?

I believe he’s making it out to be worse than it is…..

[Brightside]

Changed a few words in the last sentence Brightside!

I think its more the club playing safe on this one tbh.:greengrin

[Aldo]

I think its more the club playing safe on this one tbh.:greengrin

I wonder why? [emoji848]

[CallumLaidlaw]

Newell becoming a better player the longer he’s out ? :duck:

Or people realising how important he is?


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[Brightside]

Despite the fact he was hobbling round the pitch after the game on Sunday?

As I mentioned the other day he was in the same area as us about 4 times pre and post game. There was no limp. It's pretty obvious Hibs / Ellie are working on getting his move sorted.

[flash]

I believe he’s making it out to be worse than it is…..

Looked like he was really enjoying his football before the injury so that would be a bit strange though nothing to do with Elie would really surprise me.

[jeffers]

Or people realising how important he is?


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Dunno. Wasn’t that long ago he was getting absolutely slated on here, misses a few games now we are really missing him ?

[flash]

As I mentioned the other day he was in the same area as us about 4 times pre and post game. There was no limp. It's pretty obvious Hibs / Ellie are working on getting his move sorted.

After injury appeared to torpedo his move in the summer can understand why he wouldn't be playing.

Putting on a fake limp though is next level.....

[04Sauzee]

Liam Boyce supposedly close to leaving Hearts for a club in Northern Ireland.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Dunno. Wasn’t that long ago he was getting absolutely slated on here, misses a few games now we are really missing him ?

Tbf a few games ago it was the worst hibs team in history according to some and now we’re the best team ever…


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[Since452]

Aberdeen have gifted new signing Kristers Tobers a block of granite.

The Dons, who hail from the Granite City, are trying to make "new signings feel at home in Aberdeen with gifts that represent our city".

#AberdeenFC

https://i.ibb.co/gJ8c5Kj/20250108-214829.png (https://ibb.co/XtPGhR2)

Makes a change to throwing hammers I suppose

[Brightside]

After injury appeared to torpedo his move in the summer can understand why he wouldn't be playing.

Putting on a fake limp though is next level.....

Exactly. Had he not got injured he was 100% away. Would be mental if the move is as close as some think to risk him in these games coming up. Best for all if he can move and we get around £2m for him.

[jeffers]

Looked like he was really enjoying his football before the injury so that would be a bit strange though nothing to do with Elie would really surprise me.

We certainly expect him to leave this window. No, me either flash.

[Brightside]

Dunno. Wasn’t that long ago he was getting absolutely slated on here, misses a few games now we are really missing him ?

I think when you compare what we have to repace him its very worrying. I'm all for a day where Newell is a bench player at Hibs. But we need a few more in.

[jeffers]

Tbf a few games ago it was the worst hibs team in history according to some and now we’re the best team ever…


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You’ll be telling me next football fans are fickle :greengrin

[Blaster]

Exactly. Had he not got injured he was 100% away. Would be mental if the move is as close as some think to risk him in these games coming up. Best for all if he can move and we get around £2m for him.

2 injuries which could have been avoided too

[GloryGlory]

Makes a change to throwing hammers I suppose

Gubbing with granite? :greengrin

[jeffers]

I think when you compare what we have to repace him its very worrying. I'm all for a day where Newell is a bench player at Hibs. But we need a few more in.

Yeah I agree.

[B.H.F.C]

Dunno. Wasn’t that long ago he was getting absolutely slated on here, misses a few games now we are really missing him ?

Think it’s just that the alternative(s) are worse.

Still an area we’re really lacking in.

[Centre Hawf]

Dunno. Wasn’t that long ago he was getting absolutely slated on here, misses a few games now we are really missing him ?

We are missing him. I know he isn't everyone's favourite but I think there can be zero doubt at the moment that him and Triantis are our best pairing out of the options we have. Triantis' form has been very good but whoever is in Joes slot has not performed at all.

We've lost Newell since half-time in the Killie game and I do genuinely think we've missed having someone like him that plays the ball the way he does. That's not to say we can't sign anyone of equal ability to do his job.

[GloryGlory]

I think when you compare what we have to repace him its very worrying. I'm all for a day where Newell is a bench player at Hibs. But we need a few more in.

Yep. We have a starting 11 that is carrying some injuries, a bench that wouldn't worry a primary school team and people are talking about resting a few for the Clydebank game. The thing about Newell is he is quite limited in many ways but he's still better than any possible replacement in the current squad.

[AlbertK86]

I think we need to be asking ourselves (and the medical team) is it likely to be a set 3 week or 6 week recovery or the like, or is it going to end up being a rolling 2 weeks through to the end of the season.

If it's likely to just be a few weeks then NMW getting his chance might not be the worst idea. Our schedule opens up a wee bit soon, not as intense as it has been.

If it's going to be a remotely lengthy spell out then I think we probably need to source a decent loan to replace him, possibly sending Kwon back to Celtic who I don't think will be an adequate replacement.

Newell is a huge miss in this team imo.

I hope we srent going to have to rely on NMW replacing Newell over next few weeks.

Another headless chicken with very little composure on the ball.

He did ok when he came on Sunday as he had energy to get in about the opposition but in my opinion he does have much more to his game.

Would love him to prove me wrong though and he will get my backing if he plays.

If only we could get his energy into Dylan Levitt and create a hybrid we’d be laughing


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[Since452]

Sometimes you don't appreciate what you have until it's gone. Definitely the case with Newell. Our midfield is clearly weaker without him in the team. Hopefully we can get a replacement in. I'd happily send Kwon back and get another loan in.

[TrinityHFC]

After injury appeared to torpedo his move in the summer can understand why he wouldn't be playing.

Putting on a fake limp though is next level.....

It is also total nonsense. Some people’s obsession with Youan’s character is strange. And wrong.

[The Modfather]

Or people realising how important he is?


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Has there been much difference to results since he’s been out compared to the overall season? Saw out the second half against Killie and two draws. One of which against Rangers.

There’s definitely a drop off in quality when we have to play the likes of Kwon, but I’m not seeing the Newell shaped hole in midfield others do. A good option to have available, but I’m not sure we would have had any different results than two draws if he had played against St Johnstone & Rangers.

[Centre Hawf]

Sometimes you don't appreciate what you have until it's gone. Definitely the case with Newell. Our midfield is clearly weaker without him in the team. Hopefully we can get a replacement in. I'd happily send Kwon back and get another loan in.

I don't think Kwon will be away. I think it's far more likely we see a combination of Amos NMW and Levitt (maybe all three) all find a new club. I imagine we're not going to get any one in that area until one of them leaves.

[JimBHibees]

Wow welcome to Aberdeen, A Mutton coloured lump o granite that fell aff one of the dilapidated stands.

Would have been more appropriate if he was given an inflatable 🐑

[Smartie]

Has there been much difference to results since he’s been out compared to the overall season? Saw out the second half against Killie and two draws. One of which against Rangers.

There’s definitely a drop off in quality when we have to play the likes of Kwon, but I’m not seeing the Newell shaped hole in midfield others do. A good option to have available, but I’m not sure we would have had any different results than two draws if he had played against St Johnstone & Rangers.

I think I can sometimes be seduced a bit by the "left and right" thing.

There's just a sort of aesthetic balance with a lefty and a righty in there.

It looked and felt a bit more like we had a balanced midfield unit for a while with Newell in there, something we've struggled with for years.

Without him, any combination of our current players feels a bit skew whiff or lacking in something.

He's a good, rounded player, and an important one for us.

[Centre Hawf]

One that's out of contract this summer is Robbie Deas at Killie. Played well for Inverness in the Championship for a while and was part of their side that got to the Scottish Cup final. Got the move up to Killie and has looked decent for them when I've seen him.

Turns 25 after this window so could be about to hit his prime years as well.

[Nevi_SOL]

Has there been much difference to results since he’s been out compared to the overall season? Saw out the second half against Killie and two draws. One of which against Rangers.

There’s definitely a drop off in quality when we have to play the likes of Kwon, but I’m not seeing the Newell shaped hole in midfield others do. A good option to have available, but I’m not sure we would have had any different results than two draws if he had played against St Johnstone & Rangers.


I think you've maybe answered your own question there, regarding difference in results.

3 he's been out Points 5/9
Previous 3 games Points 9/9

😁

[Itsnoteasy]

Well, to an extent. They want free speech until it bothers them. They want to be able to say what they want about who they want and hide behind "free speech", but Keir Starmer uses the words "far right" and they kick off like a bunch of babies.

Is there any threads that follow the title.

[Exuberance1875]

One that's out of contract this summer is Robbie Deas at Killie. Played well for Inverness in the Championship for a while and was part of their side that got to the Scottish Cup final. Got the move up to Killie and has looked decent for them when I've seen him.

Turns 25 after this window so could be about to hit his prime years as well.

although looked like he was trying to play at the World of Football in our recent game against Killie.

Kept hitting the ball out of play it felt like!

[Exuberance1875]

Dunno. Wasn’t that long ago he was getting absolutely slated on here, misses a few games now we are really missing him ?

Hard agree. No one was saying how important he was until about 4 games again, first 12/13 games of the season was miles off it.

He’s a good squad player.

[HoboHarry]

Hard agree. No one was saying how important he was until about 4 games again, first 12/13 games of the season was miles off it.

He’s a good squad player.

Except that he isn't a squad player. He'll be a first team Hibs player when this window shuts and still will be when the summer window shuts.

[Exuberance1875]

Except that he isn't a squad player. He'll be a first team Hibs player when this window shuts and still will be when the summer window shuts.

Most squad players play in the first team in fairness.

I think there in lies the problem, everyone needs competition and he shouldn’t be guaranteed a starting position in the team, nor should anyone else for that matter.

In all fairness, he’s likely played his best when others around him are pushing for a game in his position, Triantis for example.

[Springbank]

I think you've maybe answered your own question there, regarding difference in results.

3 he's been out Points 5/9
Previous 3 games Points 9/9

😁

We got our best result in years vs Rangers there tbf

[Ozyhibby]

Newell becoming a better player the longer he’s out ? :duck:

Unbeaten since he was out.[emoji6]


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[Fergos]

Most squad players play in the first team in fairness.

I think there in lies the problem, everyone needs competition and he shouldn’t be guaranteed a starting position in the team, nor should anyone else for that matter.

In all fairness, he’s likely played his best when others around him are pushing for a game in his position, Triantis for example.

Agreed. Sure he would hit the heights he is more than capable off more frequently if he had more competition for his starting place.

[Lago]

Newell becoming a better player the longer he’s out ? :duck:
Amazing, gone from show pony, to major midfield loss. 🙄

[JimBHibees]

One that's out of contract this summer is Robbie Deas at Killie. Played well for Inverness in the Championship for a while and was part of their side that got to the Scottish Cup final. Got the move up to Killie and has looked decent for them when I've seen him.

Turns 25 after this window so could be about to hit his prime years as well.

Really don’t rate him much

[Donegal Hibby]

I don't think Kwon will be away. I think it's far more likely we see a combination of Amos NMW and Levitt (maybe all three) all find a new club. I imagine we're not going to get any one in that area until one of them leaves.

I don’t think Kwon will be going anywhere either , especially now Newell has an injury which only goes to further weaken our midfield and it’s far more likely that Kwon will be picked ahead of the other three who I’d guess doesn’t fit in with Grays plans going forward.

[J-C]

Newell like many others was miles off it till recently, he's not the answer but it's only showing how bad our squad is that he's our best midfielder.

[NC1875]

On paper he looks a very good signing. Proof will be in the pudding, but I’d have been quite excited to see him sign for Hibs. Great age, loads of experience and captain of his national team with masses of caps.

And signed near the start of the window. Must be *****. The good players are all available at the end don’t you know.

[SaulGoodman]

I see this transfer thread is turning into another Newell thread again

[Since452]

I see this transfer thread is turning into another Newell thread again

We need to get it back on track and discuss if he's a bombscare or not

[erin go bragh]

Seen this list of players we could potentially sign
HIBS
12 Players Hibs Could Look at Signing This January
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12 Players Hibs Could Look at Signing This January
Goalkeepers
Matthias Dyngeland (SK Brann)
Mathias Dyngeland is a Norwegian international currently playing in the top tier of his homeland for SK Brann. Dyngeland made 36 appearances for Brann in the 2023 season followed by 37 in the 2024 edition. The stopper has kept an impressive 42 clean sheets in 108 appearances for Brann. At 29 years old, the Norwegian might be looking for a fresh start overseas. His contract is set to run out at the end of 2025, so he’ll be looking at his options.
Christian Walton (Ipswich Town)
Although Walton has featured for Ipswich in the Premier League recently, the Englishman has found game-time hard to come by for the Tractor boys, only featuring eight times in the last one and a half years. Before then Walton was a regular for Ipswich in League One, playing 85 times in two years. The 29-year-old also has experience of Championship football with Blackburn and Wigan Athletic. His contract expires in June 2026, so a pre-contract wouldn’t be plausible.
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Will Dennis (AFC Bournemouth)
Will Dennis has been a name that has constantly come up due to the Bournemouth link. The 24-year-old played 44 times for Kilmarnock on-loan last season, making an impressive 18 clean sheets in all competitions. With Hibs in need of a keeper, a loan move for Dennis shouldn’t be much to ask for considering Hibs and Bournemouth’s affiliation within the Black Knight group.

Matthias Dyngeland of SK Brann
Centre-backs
Jason Kerr (Wigan Athletic)
An ever present name thrown around by supporters. Kerr is a Hibernian fan which could help sway any potential move. Having captained St. Johnstone to a historic cup double in 2021, Kerr is no stranger to Scottish football. Since returning from injury, Kerr has become a mainstay in the Wigan backline again so may cost the Hibees a six figure fee for his services. Kerr has experience both in a back three and four. When at St. Johnstone, Kerr operated on the right hand side of a back three, which would provide competition for Warren O’Hora’s natural spot. He’s also demonstrated the ability to play on the right hand side of a centre back partnership, should Gray ever revert to his once preferred back four.
Julien Laporte (FC Lorient)
The Frenchman from Lorient offers a more left field option. Laporte has played out all of his career in France, but his contract at fellow Black Knight group club FC Lorient expires this summer. The right footed Frenchman may be interested in a new challenge outside his native land, new head of recruitment Garvan Stewart would once again be instrumental in organising a deal for the 31-year old should the option arise.
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Ryan Porteous (Watford)
An ambitious one on the list, the former Hibs starlet has been made available for transfer this window with clubs such as Hull City and Rangers rumoured to already be interested in his signature. The same rumours also suggest that Watford’s asking price has not been met yet, with a fallout with manager Tom Cleverly thought to be the reason for his move. Hibs fans need no introduction to what the Scotland international can do. He’s shown capability to play not only in a back three and four, but also demonstrated ability to play in midfield towards the end of his spell. With his brilliant tackling and passing ability Hibs could do a lot worse than propose a six month stint back at his boyhood club. Who knows, Watford could’ve gone through two more managers in that period, offering Porteous a fresh slate on his return.

Julien Laporte of FC Lorient
Midfielders
Allan Campbell (Luton Town)
Allan Campbell, once a huge prospect at Motherwell before making the move to Luton Town in the summer of 2021, now finds himself on-loan at Charlton Athletic, struggling for game time in League One. At the beginning of his Luton career, Campbell was a standout for the Hatters as they surged towards promotion to the Premier League, predominantly operating in a midfield three. Since then Campbell has found himself on loan moves at Millwall and Charlton Athletic, with finding minutes hard to come by at either club. A fresh start back in his homeland could be exactly what Campbell is looking for.
Dan Crowley (Notts County)
Dan Crowley, a previously linked player, has shown very good form at Notts County in the last two years. Sixteen goals and eleven assists last season with four goals and seven assists so far this campaign. The 27-year-old Englishman operates in the attacking midfield position and could provide some much needed spark to this Hibs side. His contract at Notts County runs up at the end of the season, so a pre-contract agreement could happen.
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Chem Campbell (Wolves)
Chem Campbell, a prospect of the Wolves academy, spent the first half of this season on loan at Reading in League One before going back to his parent club. The attacking midfielder posted five goals and four assists in the first half of the season. Now he’s back at the Molineux, a loan move to the Scottish Premiership could be a possibility for the 22-year-old. Campbell has previously had loan spells at Charlton and Wycombe.

Allan Campbell of Luton Town
Strikers
Kusini Yengi (Portsmouth)
Yengi, a towering centre forward from Australia currently applying his trade at Portsmouth in the Championship. The 25-year-old hit 13 goals and two assists last season for Pompey as they finished top of League One, securing promotion. Yengi is another player that’s found game time hard to come by this year, only featuring eight times, although a move to Easter Road could sort that out. Yengi’s contract is due to run out at the end of the season so there’s an opportunity for a deal to be made. The Adelaide born striker has a prolific scoring rate for the Aussies, netting six times in eleven appearances.
Richard Kone (Wycombe)
Young forward Richard Kone has been in stellar form for Wycombe this season in League One, scoring 16 times in 33 games in all competitions. The Ivorian joined the Chairboys from non-league club Athletic Newham last January after spending several months on trial. The 21-year-old recently signed a new contract lasting until June 2026, so Hibs would have to fork out a considerable fee in the hope of luring Wycombe to sell their prized asset. An ambitious move to say the least, but a great option nonetheless.
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Luca Kjerrumgaard (Odense BK)
Another ambitious one to finish off. The 21-year-old Danish youth international has lit up the Danish second tier for Odense. Kjerrumgaard has scored twelve goals and has five assists in only fifteen matches this season. The young striker is clearly on the rise so Hibs better sign him quickly before he moves onto bigger and better things. His contract runs up in June 2027 so a considerable fee would be required.

Few crackers there.

[Gkw023]

I see Connor Young scored another two last night. I imagine teams in at least the Championship will be taking note. Still only 20

[EGL2000]

stephen welsh moves to Belgium. Always thought we should have been in for him.

[Centre Hawf]

stephen welsh moves to Belgium. Always thought we should have been in for him.

Our time to get him was about 3/4 years ago when he first came back from his loan at Morton. He's been to involved in Celtic's set up since then to probably be within our budget as sad as that is.

[andrew70]

https://open.substack.com/pub/andrewjeffrey/p/lewis-mayo?r=2f20qe&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true

Could Mayo be the one for Hibs?

[EGL2000]

https://open.substack.com/pub/andrewjeffrey/p/lewis-mayo?r=2f20qe&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true

Could Mayo be the one for Hibs?

Probably out of our budget in regards to what we are willing to pay. Would imagine he's valued between 500k - 1mil. Another year on his contract as well so no option for pre contract agreement.

[EGL2000]

I've really liked the look of Maswanhise at Motherwell whenever I've seen him. Out of contract in the summer so would definitely be worth a pre contract agreement in my opinion, still relatively young as well.

[04Sauzee]

Falkirk sign Eamonn Brophy on loan.

[erin go bragh]

I see Connor Young scored another two last night. I imagine teams in at least the Championship will be taking note. Still only 20

15 goals in 18 games. Was he not on our books and released.

[04Sauzee]

Article in the EEN regarding the transfer window.

We have 4 players at ER on loan and the maximum we can have is 6

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/inside-track-hibs-january-transfer-window-strategy-boss-reveals-x-factor-ambition-talent-search-4936758

[erin go bragh]

Our time to get him was about 3/4 years ago when he first came back from his loan at Morton. He's been to involved in Celtic's set up since then to probably be within our budget as sad as that is.

Sure Celtic want 3m for him, so no chance.

[Souter96Mac]

I've really liked the look of Maswanhise at Motherwell whenever I've seen him. Out of contract in the summer so would definitely be worth a pre contract agreement in my opinion, still relatively young as well.

He signed an extension until 2026 a couple months ago - but agreed, looks decent!

[Unseen work]

https://open.substack.com/pub/andrewjeffrey/p/lewis-mayo?r=2f20qe&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true

Could Mayo be the one for Hibs?

Always rated Mayo, would be a good signing imo. Especially as right of a back 3

Stephen Welsh is one I’m not sure I rate that much, think we’d be massively overpaying for a pretty average centre half

[andrew70]

Probably out of our budget in regards to what we are willing to pay. Would imagine he's valued between 500k - 1mil. Another year on his contract as well so no option for pre contract agreement.

True however we’ve paid decent money of late and a far more reliable centre back than Rocky for example looking ahead to next season.

A player I’ve liked for a while.

Having said that I do think O’Hora will come good.

[EGL2000]

He signed an extension until 2026 a couple months ago - but agreed, looks decent!

Didn't realise that! Wouldn't imagine he would command a massive fee as Motherwell picked him up on a free. He's one of those risky ones where you could spend maybe 400k now and get him in. Or you give it till the summer when if he keeps performing at that level he's probably starting to be out of our reach. Very much stick or twist kind of buy which I'm not sure we need right now though. I was crying out for us to sign mika biereth when he was doing well and he's now flying in Austria.

[EGL2000]

True however we’ve paid decent money of late and a far more reliable centre back than Rocky for example looking ahead to next season.

A player I’ve liked for a while.

Having said that I do think O’Hora will come good.

David Watson is another interesting one. Brilliant last season and out of our budget at the time. However, this season he has definitely dropped off and not getting as much game time. I think he could still be a great buyer if he can recapture that form from last season.

[Unseen work]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/inside-track-hibs-january-transfer-window-strategy-boss-reveals-x-factor-ambition-talent-search-4936758

EEN update (no update)

[Since90+2]

Sure Celtic want 3m for him, so no chance.

They won't get 3 million for him. Half that maybe, still out of our price range though.

[SaulGoodman]

Always rated Mayo

i can come and go, I’ve recently found that spreading it on the outside of the bread before making a toastie gives it a really nice crunch.

[04Sauzee]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/inside-track-hibs-january-transfer-window-strategy-boss-reveals-x-factor-ambition-talent-search-4936758

EEN update (no update)

Interesting we can only have 6 loans and we already have 4

[Centre Hawf]

Interesting we can only have 6 loans and we already have 4

I would expect to maybe see us add to that. Said before but if Owen Bevan is fit and his loan is free I don't see why we wouldn't bother to do it. We need more cover in defence and it would probably tick a lot of boxes for now.

[JohnM1875]

I would expect to maybe see us add to that. Said before but if Owen Bevan is fit and his loan is free I don't see why we wouldn't bother to do it. We need more cover in defence and it would probably tick a lot of boxes for now.

Can’t have played any competitive football in a long time? Seems to have injured whenever linked to us before.

12/09/23 was his last competitive game if Transfermarkt is right.

[andrew70]

David Watson is another interesting one. Brilliant last season and out of our budget at the time. However, this season he has definitely dropped off and not getting as much game time. I think he could still be a great buyer if he can recapture that form from last season.

I think Watson is a good footballer and we may be better getting in early without knowing his contract situation.

We need to be more proactive when it comes to emerging talent but Killie etc will be very protective of their assets.

[Centre Hawf]

Can’t have played much competitive football in a long time? Seems to have injured whenever linked to us before.

Yeah he seems to be unlucky in the last year but was playing before he first came here on loan last January. Signed a new 4 year deal with them in the summer though so they must rate him in some capacity. Considering we need cover I don't think it would be the worst option if it meant we had more budget to sign a Maolida type of signing.

[AlbertK86]

Interesting we can only have 6 loans and we already have 4

Agree and we are also allowed to loan out a certain amount as well.

Suspect we are waiting for the right loans to become available to cover those coming back from injury but also able to improve us which seems to be the most relevant point being made with the comment about ‘X’ factor signings.

Interesting comments re Zander Clark that both sides are still interested but both are also considering other options.

Definitely think he would be an upgrade on Smith (albeit he is doing okay just now).

Think Clark would have saved the headed goal that Sevco scored at the weekend.

Article reads well and sounds like we are taking a measured approach.


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[Brightside]

Can’t have played any competitive football in a long time? Seems to have injured whenever linked to us before.

12/09/23 was his last competitive game if Transfermarkt is right.

He hasnt even played for the dev team this season - so his injury issues must be ongoing.

[007 Mickey Weir]

I see Connor Young scored another two last night. I imagine teams in at least the Championship will be taking note. Still only 20

Was he the one we sold to The Rangers and they released him?

[Saint Hibee]

On the topic of Newell, what's happened to his biggest fan MWHibbies? He doesn't seem to post much any more?

[The dalmeny]

Was he the one we sold to The Rangers and they released him?

yes

[04Sauzee]

Regarding Hibs need for a GK depending on your stance, interesting stats from Pie & Bovril

SPFL Premiership
Season 24-25
Goalkeeper Save %
Best at Each Club (> 2 games)

Kasper Schmeichel 89.7%
Jordan Amissah 76.9%
Jack Walton 74.4%
Jordan Smith 73.9%
Aston Oxborough 73.0%
Liam Kelly 71.4%
Trevor Carson 69.7%
Dimitar Mitov 69.4%
Craig Gordon 67.1%
Robby McCrorie 67.1%
Josh Rae 64.6%
Ellery Balcombe 58.9%

Another good indicator as to how well he's done since coming into the team.
https://i.ibb.co/v3P3gtJ/Screenshot-20250109-211930.png (https://ibb.co/F5w5NPB)

[CapitalGreen]

Regarding Hibs need for a GK depending on your stance, interesting stats from Pie & Bovril

SPFL Premiership
Season 24-25
Goalkeeper Save %
Best at Each Club (> 2 games)

Kasper Schmeichel 89.7%
Jordan Amissah 76.9%
Jack Walton 74.4%
Jordan Smith 73.9%
Aston Oxborough 73.0%
Liam Kelly 71.4%
Trevor Carson 69.7%
Dimitar Mitov 69.4%
Craig Gordon 67.1%
Robby McCrorie 67.1%
Josh Rae 64.6%
Ellery Balcombe 58.9%

He’s certainly done well, I’d be happy to reassess in the summer. You could say it’s a gamble to go with Smith but it’d would equally be a gamble to change goalkeeper again - the budget could be better utilised elsewhere in the squad.

[Iain G]

David Watson is another interesting one. Brilliant last season and out of our budget at the time. However, this season he has definitely dropped off and not getting as much game time. I think he could still be a great buyer if he can recapture that form from last season.

He must be in his 50's by now?

[badabing67]

Looks like Lewis Miller is getting an extension

Lewis Miller closes in on Hibs contract extension as Easter Road chiefs confident over deal - Daily Record (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/lewis-miller-closes-hibs-contract-34451931)

[Iain G]

Looks like Lewis Miller is getting an extension

Lewis Miller closes in on Hibs contract extension as Easter Road chiefs confident over deal - Daily Record (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/lewis-miller-closes-hibs-contract-34451931)

Good! If we can get him improved on his decision making and playing in his new position there is a player in there.

[JohnM1875]

Looks like Lewis Miller is getting an extension

Lewis Miller closes in on Hibs contract extension as Easter Road chiefs confident over deal - Daily Record (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/lewis-miller-closes-hibs-contract-34451931)

Have to think it’s curtains for Chris Cadden then. Not sure I’d be happy with Miller as starter though. Need better.

[Iain G]

Have to think it’s curtains for Chris Cadden then. Not sure I’d be happy with Miller as starter though. Need better.

Why can't we keep them both?

[Vault Boy]

Have to think it’s curtains for Chris Cadden then. Not sure I’d be happy with Miller as starter though. Need better.

Can’t see why that’d be the case at all. We’ve not been playing them in the same position and have started them both in recent weeks.

[Ringothedog]

Have to think it’s curtains for Chris Cadden then. Not sure I’d be happy with Miller as starter though. Need better.

Why? They are both playing at the same time just now. The defence is currently more solid the way it is setup just now without O’Hora and Ekipeta as far as I am concerned.

[JohnM1875]

Can’t see why that’d be the case at all. We’ve not been playing them in the same position and have started them both in recent weeks.

Miller won’t continue as a RCB. He’s playing there out of necessity just now. We just gave Megwa a long term deal, he’ll be with us next season. No chance are we keeping three RB’s on our books.

[B.H.F.C]

Why can't we keep them both?

Why would we want to? We need to make space to get new players in this summer if we truly want to rebuild. We can’t do that if we dish out contracts to multiple players. Players who have been part of multiple poor teams as well.

[B.H.F.C]

Why? They are both playing at the same time just now. The defence is currently more solid the way it is setup just now without O’Hora and Ekipeta as far as I am concerned.

Since we changed to a three, the goals against column doesn’t suggest that we’re more solid.

Whatever the formation, whatever combination of individuals, we’ve been poor defensively all season.

[04Sauzee]

Why can't we keep them both?

We can but don't think we will/should. I'm not saying he's perfect but Miller has shown he can play RCB, RB and RWB. I don't think we keep both Cadden and Miller. I think we will look to improve that side of the park.

[B.H.F.C]

We can but don't think we will/should. I'm not saying he's perfect but Miller has shown he can play RCB, RB and RWB. I don't think we keep both Cadden and Miller. I think we will look to improve that side of the park.

Chuck in the fact we have Megwa a four year deal at the start of the season. There isn’t space for them all.

[Ozyhibby]

Looks like Lewis Miller is getting an extension

Lewis Miller closes in on Hibs contract extension as Easter Road chiefs confident over deal - Daily Record (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/lewis-miller-closes-hibs-contract-34451931)

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Can anyone explain that to me? How do both parties have to agree if it’s an option? Surely if both parties need to agree then it’s just a new contract?

Also, the quotes from Gray in that article seem almost apologetic about him staying? He’s basically saying ‘we know he looks rubbish but we think he might get better’?


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[jeffers]

Chuck in the fact we have Megwa a four year deal at the start of the season. There isn’t space for them all.

I’ve always thought Cadden would get a new deal (wouldn’t be my choice) hopefully the Record is wrong about giving Miller an extension.

[Wilson]

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Can anyone explain that to me? How do both parties have to agree if it’s an option? Surely if both parties need to agree then it’s just a new contract?

Also, the quotes from Gray in that article seem almost apologetic about him staying? He’s basically saying ‘we know he looks rubbish but we think he might get better’?


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The David Gray quotes are from earlier in the season. Perhaps they feel he has improved since then?

I've no idea about the contract option but it doesn't surprise me that there could be cases where agreement has to be mutual. Protection for the club in case the player isn't working out, protection for a player who doesn't feel his career is going as well as it could?

Cadden and Miller are both players I like. Not much between them in games played this season. If they could only retain one I would expect it would be the improving 24 year old over the old workhorse (28) :-)

[The Modfather]

Looks like Lewis Miller is getting an extension

Lewis Miller closes in on Hibs contract extension as Easter Road chiefs confident over deal - Daily Record (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/lewis-miller-closes-hibs-contract-34451931)

We’re going to end up keeping most of Rocky, Cadden, Miller & Boyle aren’t we? Plus Newell’s extension and Campbells prominence under Gray. Wait and see, but I don’t understand the noises coming out about who is looking likely to get an extension.

[Iain G]

We can but don't think we will/should. I'm not saying he's perfect but Miller has shown he can play RCB, RB and RWB. I don't think we keep both Cadden and Miller. I think we will look to improve that side of the park.

Happy if we keep them both as they both offer flexibility in a team and squad.

[Iain G]

We’re going to end up keeping most of Rocky, Cadden, Miller & Boyle aren’t we? Plus Newell’s extension and Campbells prominence under Gray. Wait and see, but I don’t understand the noises coming out about who is looking likely to get an extension.

Which bits don't you understand?

[The Modfather]

Which bits don't you understand?

Why we talk up working towards a squad re-set next season and then keep most of the first team players we have a chance to move on at no cost.

[chippy]

Looks like Lewis Miller is getting an extension

Lewis Miller closes in on Hibs contract extension as Easter Road chiefs confident over deal - Daily Record (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/lewis-miller-closes-hibs-contract-34451931)
Good , learning all the time can play CB. Excellent in the air

[chippy]

Happy if we keep them both as they both offer flexibility in a team and squad.

Much too sensible a post

[Iain G]

Why we talk up working towards a squad re-set next season and then keep most of the first team players we have a chance to move on at no cost.

But it SDG rates them though then we should try keep them

[green day]

Why we talk up working towards a squad re-set next season and then keep most of the first team players we have a chance to move on at no cost.

I agree with you.

Regardless of the recent run, some of these players are simply not good enough.

[Wilson]

We’re going to end up keeping most of Rocky, Cadden, Miller & Boyle aren’t we? Plus Newell’s extension and Campbells prominence under Gray. Wait and see, but I don’t understand the noises coming out about who is looking likely to get an extension.

I expect we're reasonably happy with the core of the team. Perhaps feel that we should be a few points or places better off. In that situation we want to improve the squad not dismantle one.

There are players not featuring and never going to. You move them on first and use their wages for players that will feature. This before getting rid of players that are contributing and could continue to do so in an evolving squad.

[B.H.F.C]

I’ve always thought Cadden would get a new deal (wouldn’t be my choice) hopefully the Record is wrong about giving Miller an extension.

I’ve always thought we’ll end up giving Cadden something. I think we’ll offer Rocky something as well.

Wait and see what happens but it concerns me that we look to plod on with too many of the same players. Keep saying it but there is little scope to fix things defensively if we renew those out of contract. We are weak in that area and we need to change what we can IMO.

[JohnM1875]

Why we talk up working towards a squad re-set next season and then keep most of the first team players we have a chance to move on at no cost.

Totally agree, need better

[HibbyAndy]

He must be in his 50's by now?

Aye but played his part in Everton winning the FA cup in 1995

[The Modfather]

But it SDG rates them though then we should try keep them

If Gray looks at this season and our defence and wants, by design, this exact same defence (possibly swapping C Cadden for Megwa) then he will be making it harder for himself to be a success IMO and yet another open goal missed by the club to be much more than just one of the pack of inconsistent dross in this league.

[Unseen work]

Genuine question;

If we want to improve should we be offering contracts to Miller, Cadden and Rocky?

Two of them are right backs/right wing backs with Cadden able to play higher up. We also have a long contract extension to Megwa. Even with those 3, imo right back and right wing back is still a position I think we need to strengthen.

I get there are players we need to move on before those 3, your mckirdys etc. However will we really kick on and improve if we keep handing these sort of players that are inconsistent and split opinions with longer contracts?

[The Modfather]

I expect we're reasonably happy with the core of the team. Perhaps feel that we should be a few points or places better off. In that situation we want to improve the squad not dismantle one.

There are players not featuring and never going to. You move them on first and use their wages for players that will feature. This before getting rid of players that are contributing and could continue to do so in an evolving squad.

We have a chance to move on those not contributing as well as those playing but, being generous, still to fully convince a number of years since joining. Keeping the likes of Miller, Cadden, Rocky, and to a lesser extent Boyle, is fine and well if they were to re-align their wages to being squad players. Not so much if we keep them on their first team wages as squad players.

[B.H.F.C]

Genuine question;

If we want to improve should we be offering contracts to Miller, Cadden and Rocky?

Two of them are right backs/right wing backs with Cadden able to play higher up. We also have a long contract extension to Megwa. Even with those 3, imo right back and right wing back is still a position I think we need to strengthen.

I get there are players we need to move on before those 3, your mckirdys etc. However will we really kick on and improve if we keep handing these sort of players that are inconsistent and split opinions with longer contracts?

Absolutely not. We aren’t going to improve defensively with the same options. We have to take the opportunity to change what we can.

There’s talk about these players contributing and they are. But we’ve won 6 games out of 22 and are 3 points above the playoff place. We need players who can contribute more.

[04Sauzee]

Genuine question;

If we want to improve should we be offering contracts to Miller, Cadden and Rocky?

Two of them are right backs/right wing backs with Cadden able to play higher up. We also have a long contract extension to Megwa. Even with those 3, imo right back and right wing back is still a position I think we need to strengthen.

I get there are players we need to move on before those 3, your mckirdys etc. However will we really kick on and improve if we keep handing these sort of players that are inconsistent and split opinions with longer contracts?

Miller could make some sense 6 months on his contract,give him another year and we could make a little bit of money on him. Still only 24 and playing international football.

[SteveHFC]

Totally agree, need better

Yep agreed too. We need better.

[jeffers]

I’ve always thought we’ll end up giving Cadden something. I think we’ll offer Rocky something as well.

Wait and see what happens but it concerns me that we look to plod on with too many of the same players. Keep saying it but there is little scope to fix things defensively if we renew those out of contract. We are weak in that area and we need to change what we can IMO.

I’d be surprised if we gave Rocky a new deal.

Totally agree with you about not keeping the same players.

[B.H.F.C]

I’d be surprised if we gave Rocky a new deal.

Totally agree with you about not keeping the same players.

I hope you’re right on Rocky. It’s not just him that I hope we move on from right enough.

[The Modfather]

If we renew the players rumoured to getting renewals what scope does that leave us to improve the team next season? Possibly two positions (3 with Bowie being like a new signing) to upgrade? Based on no room for any new defenders and Gray being a big fan of Newell & Campbell.

New GK

Iredale - Rocky/Ekpiteta - O’Hora/Miller

N Cadden/Obita - Newell - New Midfilder - Campbell - Miller/C Cadden/Megwa

Bowie - Boyle

[JohnM1875]

I hope you’re right on Rocky. It’s not just him that I hope we move on from right enough.

Agree. I’d be really disappointed if we end up renewing Rocky, Miller and Cadden. I actually like all three but we without a doubt need better as starters.

One of Miller or Cadden as back up fair enough, but then what’s the point in the long term Megwa deal we just gave him?

[B.H.F.C]

If we renew the players rumoured to getting renewals what scope does that leave us to improve the team next season? Possibly two positions (3 with Bowie being like a new signing) to upgrade? Based on no room for any new defenders and Gray being a big fan of Newell & Campbell.

New GK

Iredale - Rocky/Ekpiteta - O’Hora/Miller

N Cadden/Obita - Newell - New Midfilder - Campbell - Miller/C Cadden/Megwa

Bowie - Boyle

To be fair, we’re going to lose Triantis and Kwon at the end of the season. Amos possibly before. JDH away already. We’ll be trying to offload Levitt if we can. So there is going to be plenty space for changes in midfield. It’s defensively that I’m more concerned. If we renew the players coming out of contract, there’s going to be little space to do anything.

[BSEJVT]

If we are serious about moving the club forward then we shouldn’t offer a single out of contract player a new contract.

Players in last year of contract in improved effort and performance shocker.

The only one of these guys good enough is Boyle and he is on far far too much money for renewing his contract to be a viable proposition.

The others haven’t shown nearly enough over their time here and a month or so purple patch of results doesn’t change that

[Since452]

If we can attract better than Rocky then move him on. Same goes for any player in the squad.

[007]

Agree. I’d be really disappointed if we end up renewing Rocky, Miller and Cadden. I actually like all three but we without a doubt need better as starters.

One of Miller or Cadden as back up fair enough, but then what’s the point in the long term Megwa deal we just gave him?

We'll need them all plus some new players to increase the squad to cope with the demands of the European group stages. 👀

[Jones28]

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Can anyone explain that to me? How do both parties have to agree if it’s an option? Surely if both parties need to agree then it’s just a new contract?

Also, the quotes from Gray in that article seem almost apologetic about him staying? He’s basically saying ‘we know he looks rubbish but we think he might get better’?


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Eh? I’m not seeing that at all.

[JohnM1875]

Some diddy Twitter account saying Rocky down turned a pre-contract offer from Aberdeen cause he wants to stay with Hibs. Scott Burns denying it, so probably true.

[Brightside]

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Can anyone explain that to me? How do both parties have to agree if it’s an option? Surely if both parties need to agree then it’s just a new contract?

Also, the quotes from Gray in that article seem almost apologetic about him staying? He’s basically saying ‘we know he looks rubbish but we think he might get better’?


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An option is at a prev agreed amount / duration etc. So likely a 1 Year addition to the previous contract. Neither party needs to accept.

[Callum_62]

Lyle Cameron "unwell" and out the Dundee squad tonight

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[Joe6-2]

Aberdeen have gifted new signing Kristers Tobers a block of granite.

The Dons, who hail from the Granite City, are trying to make "new signings feel at home in Aberdeen with gifts that represent our city".

#AberdeenFC


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Do you still get Edinburgh rock

[ancient hibee]

No. Everyone gets to have a pothole named after them.

[EGL2000]

If we are serious about moving the club forward then we shouldn’t offer a single out of contract player a new contract.

Players in last year of contract in improved effort and performance shocker.

The only one of these guys good enough is Boyle and he is on far far too much money for renewing his contract to be a viable proposition.

The others haven’t shown nearly enough over their time here and a month or so purple patch of results doesn’t change that


Agree this summer was and always should be the huge rebuild we require. You can't just start offering contracts for a good run of performances. That's how we have been stung with some many of these players in the past 3-4 decent games and we seem to hand out contracts at ease. As others have said a number of them are perfectly good squad players but there wages would need to drop to reflect that. That's the only way I would be keeping most of the out of contract players.

[MacGruber]

Agree this summer was and always should be the huge rebuild we require. You can't just start offering contracts for a good run of performances. That's how we have been stung with some many of these players in the past 3-4 decent games and we seem to hand out contracts at ease. As others have said a number of them are perfectly good squad players but there wages would need to drop to reflect that. That's the only way I would be keeping most of the out of contract players.

We moved out 21 out of 34 last summer and brought in 12 new. Just don't get the chat of this summer being the big reboot. There will be comings and goings as there are every window, nothing different about the summer coming other than it has always been used as a delaying tactic excuse

[JohnM1875]

We moved out 21 out of 34 last summer and brought in 12 new. Just don't get the chat of this summer being the big reboot. There will be comings and goings as there are every window, nothing different about the summer coming other than it has always been used as a delaying tactic excuse

The big reboot this coming summer chat was from the club. Mackay has said it many times.

[AlbertK86]

Lyle Cameron "unwell" and out the Dundee squad tonight

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Clement seemingly name checked him in his press conference so Huns now think he’s going to them [emoji2375]


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[Joe6-2]

If we are serious about moving the club forward then we shouldn’t offer a single out of contract player a new contract.

Players in last year of contract in improved effort and performance shocker.

The only one of these guys good enough is Boyle and he is on far far too much money for renewing his contract to be a viable proposition.

The others haven’t shown nearly enough over their time here and a month or so purple patch of results doesn’t change that

Agree totally, how many times have we read on here during and after games, what we have is not good enough,

[JohnM1875]

Clement seemingly name checked him in his press conference so Huns now think he’s going to them [emoji2375]


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Been chat of him heading to the huns for months now. Good young player so annoying he’s going there.

[Lago]

Been chat of him heading to the huns for months now. Good young player so annoying he’s going there.
Players follow the money

[green day]

I actually cant believe (as in, I dont think its going to happen) that we are going to start handing out contracts to lots of our current squad.

It needs such an overhaul that it would be madness (and effectively a P45) for Gray to even be part of that conversation.

What would even be the point of having Malky Mackay and the boy from Bournemouth if all we do is renew all the players who have performed poorly (last month aside) for the last couple of years?

[Exuberance1875]

Why can't we keep them both?

Why on earth would we want both?

Neither are anywhere near good enough

[EGL2000]

We moved out 21 out of 34 last summer and brought in 12 new. Just don't get the chat of this summer being the big reboot. There will be comings and goings as there are every window, nothing different about the summer coming other than it has always been used as a delaying tactic excuse

People from inside the club have literally said this themselves. They always said this was more of a transition season as more of the bigger earners contracts are up this summer.

[Exuberance1875]

If we are serious about moving the club forward then we shouldn’t offer a single out of contract player a new contract.

Players in last year of contract in improved effort and performance shocker.

The only one of these guys good enough is Boyle and he is on far far too much money for renewing his contract to be a viable proposition.

The others haven’t shown nearly enough over their time here and a month or so purple patch of results doesn’t change that

Bang on the money here.

[IanM]

Matthew Hoppe released from Boro.. I know he signed for us on loan but just can’t place his performances for us

[keep the faith]

Matthew Hoppe released from Boro.. I know he signed for us on loan but just can’t place his performances for us

Hoppe less as I recall.

[Exuberance1875]

Hoppe less as I recall.

Aye but if we can improve his decision making and teach him a new position we’ve got a player there

[Cat Stanton]

Some diddy Twitter account saying Rocky down turned a pre-contract offer from Aberdeen cause he wants to stay with Hibs. Scott Burns denying it, so probably true.

Not just fake news, bonkers news!

[IanM]

Hoppe less as I recall.

6 games in 3 and a half years for boro

[supermcginn]

If we are serious about moving the club forward then we shouldn’t offer a single out of contract player a new contract.

Players in last year of contract in improved effort and performance shocker.

The only one of these guys good enough is Boyle and he is on far far too much money for renewing his contract to be a viable proposition.

The others haven’t shown nearly enough over their time here and a month or so purple patch of results doesn’t change that
Honestly couldn't agree more with every word. It is quite staggering that we are giving Miller a new deal it really is, if we keep Rocky also then you have to wonder what our ambitions are.

[Aldo]

Honestly couldn't agree more with every word. It is quite staggering that we are giving Miller a new deal it really is, if we keep Rocky also then you have to wonder what our ambitions are.

We have an opportunity this summer to reset sort to speak.

At this moment in time I wouldn’t renew or extend anyone.

[Chorley Hibee]

"Game changing investment" yet talk of renewing contracts of the very folk who've had us scrambling around the lower reaches of the league for years on end, yet little, if any, action towards bringing in players that will actually improve the side.

Why am I not surprised.

Those next set of accounts might be worth a look.

[500miles]

Hoppe less as I recall.

Between him and that Diddy winger we signed, I genuinely believe there is some kind of con man punting big talking American players to Europe.

[04Sauzee]

LAFC are set to sign Celtic midfielder Odin Thiago Holm.

It’s understood a straight loan deal has been agreed, until the end of the MLS season.

The Norway U21 international is awaiting a visa for the move to be finalised.

#LAFC #CelticFC

[Ronniekirk]

Lyle Cameron "unwell" and out the Dundee squad tonight

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They had a few players out tonight so wouldn’t read too much into that

[Since452]

Matthew Hoppe released from Boro.. I know he signed for us on loan but just can’t place his performances for us

More prolific than McKirdy in a Hibs shirt. Quite amazing.

[SaulGoodman]

Extending the contracts of players that have not been good enough most of their time here once we hit a good run of form is why we have a squad full of overpaid ***** right now.

[wookie70]

More prolific than McKirdy in a Hibs shirt. Quite amazing. To be fair so was Mark Oxley

[MacGruber]

Quite happy for Rocky and Miller to get extensions. Would like to see same for Boyle and Campbell (Boyle would likely have to accept a pay cut) Chris Cadden is probably the one that has been playing that will be moved on.
Plenty more to move on first; McKirdy, Amos, Myko, Kwon, Hoilett, Bursik

[The Modfather]

Quite happy for Rocky and Miller to get extensions. Would like to see same for Boyle and Campbell (Boyle would likely have to accept a pay cut) Chris Cadden is probably the one that has been playing that will be moved on.
Plenty more to move on first; McKirdy, Amos, Myko, Kwon, Hoilett, Bursik

If Cadden was the only first team player (as well as Hoilett & Gayle) not to get an extension and if everyone else out of contract was let go we would still have a contracted squad of 22 or so. That wouldn’t leave us much room to actually revamp the squad without having to try and move contracted players on.

[Brightside]

Quite happy for Rocky and Miller to get extensions. Would like to see same for Boyle and Campbell (Boyle would likely have to accept a pay cut) Chris Cadden is probably the one that has been playing that will be moved on.
Plenty more to move on first; McKirdy, Amos, Myko, Kwon, Hoilett, Bursik
Would be mental if we let Cadden go and extended miller.

[AdidasHibernian]

I'm going to be honest.. Not really wanting us to keep Miller, has far too many bad moments than good. We can do far better.

[MacGruber]

If Cadden was the only first team player (as well as Hoilett & Gayle) not to get an extension and if everyone else out of contract was let go we would still have a contracted squad of 22 or so. That wouldn’t leave us much room to actually revamp the squad without having to try and move contracted players on.

There'll be a number of players move on though, in addition to the 6 or 7 mentioned. Youan, Levitt, Triantis obvious ones and Gayle likely retiring. Will be others.

[jonny]

I'm going to be honest.. Not really wanting us to keep Miller, has far too many bad moments than good. We can do far better.

I agree. I think he does some good work but his passing is woeful.

[Paul1642]

I don’t mind Miller but I think we should be more than capable of recruiting better. Megwa just signed a long contract so surely at least one of Cadden or Miller goes.

Wouldn’t be too disappointed if it was both.

[04Sauzee]

Hearts officials have held signing talks with the Kilmarnock winger Danny Armstrong, the Edinburgh News has learned. The 27-year-old will become a free agent this summer and spoke to the Tynecastle club about a pre-contract agreement for next season.

The Hearts head coach Neil Critchley is keen to strengthen options in wide areas and discussions with Armstrong have centred around a long-term deal. Kilmarnock are resigned to losing the player at the end of the current campaign, with a number of clubs in Scotland and England coveting his signature.

Hearts made their initial move but have yet to agree terms with Armstrong as things stand. They are aware that there is hefty interest in the winger. Further discussions may take place in the coming weeks as Armstrong weighs up the next move in his career.

[bingo70]

There'll be a number of players move on though, in addition to the 6 or 7 mentioned. Youan, Levitt, Triantis obvious ones and Gayle likely retiring. Will be others.

Exactly.

There does need to be some continuity and transition from old regime to new,. I hope that we have a brilliant couple of transfer windows and the weaker members of our team become squad players and the current squad players move on.

I’d keep Miller, Rocky id move on but understand if we decide to keep.

[Ozyhibby]

An option is at a prev agreed amount / duration etc. So likely a 1 Year addition to the previous contract. Neither party needs to accept.

So what’s the point of it? Surely an option means one party is committed to honour it? Otherwise what is it?


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[NGoloGrantie]

Good news regarding Triantis.

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[RIP]

The first team who started against Rangers will all get an offer. Kwon will go back. Gray will ask Mackay and Stewart to push the boat out for Nectar.
Nine plus Bowie, O'Hora, Jordan and Marv will make it 13 / 14. Couple of young lads Rudi, Rory.
If Dwight is still fit we should coax him into doing his badges whilst staying on.
Elie will have suitors sadly.
Everyone else should be moved on IMO.
It is very unlikely that we will sign more than two or three quality players. We are not an attractive proposition and both Hearts and Aberdeen will offer higher wages.

[sauzee1989]

Quite happy for Rocky and Miller to get extensions. Would like to see same for Boyle and Campbell (Boyle would likely have to accept a pay cut) Chris Cadden is probably the one that has been playing that will be moved on.
Plenty more to move on first; McKirdy, Amos, Myko, Kwon, Hoilett, Bursik

How can you move on Chris cadden and keep Rocky is beyond me.

[MacGruber]

How can you move on Chris cadden and keep Rocky is beyond me.

I like Ekpiteta. After a sluggish start he was really coming on to a game. I think Iredale has been doing well at left centre back. I'd give Rocky a year extension. I wouldn't see him as a starter but think he is good enough to come in and cover. He has come in this season to cover Ekpiteta. In that period he has provided us all heart palpitations because he is prone to brain farts. Also in that period he has defended really well majority of times in games, scored v Aberdeen to spark our upturn, scored and assisted v Rangers to keep the unbeaten run going and been part of the team that has pumped Aberdeen and Hearts away - partying with the away fans at Tynie. He's a massive unit, must be one of the quickest and strongest centre backs in the league. Not perfect in the air and a complete bag of madness. A starter - no. Cover, yeah for me. Not to underestimate the bond he has with the fans, he's all heart and gets Hibs. Some will play that off but then at other times moan they don't feel a connection with the team.

Cadden is a bit different, he isn't in covering like Rocky, he is starting. Is he a great defender as a full back - no. Is he a good right winger - no. He is far better at right wing back and brings a power of running. Predominantly, what you look for in your right wing back going forward is balls into the box, assists and goals. Cadden very rarely scores, very rarely assists (has he any this season) and final ball tends to be poor. He has plenty assets though and I still like him. Just that looking to improve that position would be bringing in a starter. Wouldn't be against keeping Cadden however if Miller gets the extension and Megwa on the long deal he might make way to bring in better. Nicky Cadden's goals and assists from left wing back in the 6 months he's been here are probably more than Chris has managed in the 5 or 6 seasons he's been here.

It's not for everyone but for their faults one of the reasons I like both Miller and Rocky is they are both monsters. Miller is constantly winning balls at the back post. Being imposing and athletic like these two goes a long way in Scottish football to cover deficiencies (which both have I know). Both are young aswell and can be coached to improvement.

Maybe that line of thinking is beyond some or mental for others but that's my opinion.

[Greenbeard]

Good news regarding Triantis.

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Purple patch? Triantis? He's done what you'd expect - with the odd bad mistake, bad pass and even an OG thrown in (but doesn't get the slating that Rocky gets) - and I'd keep him for sure, but I'd hardly say he's hit a purple patch. Not unless it's relative and he was totally honking before.

[flash]

Purple patch? Triantis? He's done what you'd expect - with the odd bad mistake, bad pass and even an OG thrown in (but doesn't get the slating that Rocky gets) - and I'd keep him for sure, but I'd hardly say he's hit a purple patch. Not unless it's relative and he was totally honking before.

He's been excellent for a wee while now.

Never really understood the desperation to talk our players down by some.

[allmodcons]

Strange how players seem to get talked up when they’re not playing.

Personally, I think Expiteta is poor. Decent in the opposition box but makes too many poor decisions for a centre back. Passing isn’t good and, on the occasions I’ve watched him, has made some terrible mistakes that, luckily for him, have gone unpunished. A good example would be win at home to St Johnstone where he was dreadful.

Miller and Rocky are similar. Both strong and powerful but again prone to poor decisions and not the best passers of the ball particularly so when playing out from the back.

Maybe it’s just the level we are at?

Hoilett is on a one year deal. There’s no argument he has already made a contribution and in my opinion will continue to. Technically, one of our best players.

I don’t think a huge clear out is required but we definitely need to get rid of Amos, McKirdy, Levitt, Tavares, Kenneh, Bursik and Myko now, or in the case of those out on loan, at the end of the season.

[Mcbizz1998]

The first team who started against Rangers will all get an offer. Kwon will go back. Gray will ask Mackay and Stewart to push the boat out for Nectar.
Nine plus Bowie, O'Hora, Jordan and Marv will make it 13 / 14. Couple of young lads Rudi, Rory.
If Dwight is still fit we should coax him into doing his badges whilst staying on.
Elie will have suitors sadly.
Everyone else should be moved on IMO.
It is very unlikely that we will sign more than two or three quality players. We are not an attractive proposition and both Hearts and Aberdeen will offer higher wages.

Wow, that’s extremely negative. Why aren’t we an attractive proposition?

[MacGruber]

He's been excellent for a wee while now.

Never really understood the desperation to talk our players down by some.

He's been excellent of late on the ball. He's lost his man for all 3 Rangers goals though which has been skirted over.

Maybe he's better as an 8 and bring in someone else to play defensive mid

[hibsbollah]

He's been excellent of late on the ball. He's lost his man for all 3 Rangers goals though which has been skirted over.

Maybe he's better as an 8 and bring in someone else to play defensive mid

Did he though? It’s easy enough to watch the highlights,find the nearest defender to the goal scorer and assume it’s his man. (Or just call it a blunderif you don’t like the player involved). I’d like to know and understand better what combination of zone and man marking we use andwhen.

[superfurryhibby]

Cadden has done well at rwb, prior to the change of formation I would have said his time was up at the end of the season. If we persist with this formation, I wouldn’t be against a new contract.

Miller is a challenge. Much as I like aspects of his play, he hasn’t developed into a good enough full back. However, there is potential as a right side centre back. Aside from his ridiculous 5 minutes of madness v the Hun, he offers something there. He’s better at taking the ball forward from there than any other centre back at the club and did this to great effect on Sunday, contributing a lot to our attacking threat.

Rocky is no better than than Ekpiteta or O’Hora, both of whom look like lower English league standard players. I like his passion and I’m delighted he’s contributed, but there is something lacking and if we want success at Hibs we can’t do it with a central defence that lacks basic defensive reliability.

Boyle is a talismanic figure. If he is to stay in Scotland I want it to be at Hibs. I suspect he will be bound for Australia though.

Hoilett has impressed in flashes, but hasn’t done enough to get a new deal. He’s drifted out of form and I don’t see where he fits in with the current formation.

We desperately need another striker, Gayle is not going to play 90 mins each game. Myko is injury prone and isn’t offering enough, even when fit.

I would love us to sign Triantis permanently . He’s shown the potential and at 21, he’s going to keep developing. Probably out of our price range?

The team needs midfield creativity, that has to be a priority going forward. It’s been a weak area in the side for a good few years.

[Hibs90]

Very concerning about these potential renewals.

We haven't learned. These guys are not good enough for where we want to be regularly.

The only ones I'd keep would be Boyle until we get a replacement and Cadden as a squad option.

Officially worried.

Hoilett - nah
Boyle - yes
Gayle - if he could play more minutes then yes but looks like he might retire anyway
Cadden - yes as a squad option
McKirdy -nah
Campbell - maybe as a squad option but we need better
Bursik - nah
Rocky - nah
Boruch - nah
Kwon - nah
Miller - nah
Myko - nah
Triantis - if we could get him for a reasonable fee then possibly
Amos - nah

[Jones28]

The first team who started against Rangers will all get an offer. Kwon will go back. Gray will ask Mackay and Stewart to push the boat out for Nectar.
Nine plus Bowie, O'Hora, Jordan and Marv will make it 13 / 14. Couple of young lads Rudi, Rory.
If Dwight is still fit we should coax him into doing his badges whilst staying on.
Elie will have suitors sadly.
Everyone else should be moved on IMO.
It is very unlikely that we will sign more than two or three quality players. We are not an attractive proposition and both Hearts and Aberdeen will offer higher wages.

I don't think that's the case anymore, historically yes it was but now? I think we can compete on wages. Hibs are a very attractive proposition, a club with aspirations of regular European football in one of the most attractive cities in the country with all the facilities expected at top clubs.

Don't underestimate the Black Knight option as well, there's a clear and obvious path to an established Premier League team with them which a player with desire to play in the top flight in England see as an advantage.

[may 21/05/2016]

Trust the process

[MacGruber]

Painted over, you skirt around.
you seem like a person that knows that anyone can make a mistake though.

Yes, good point - painted over.
I think Triantis has the potential to be a very good player, probably end up playing a level beyond Hibs. He's also been improving. Just providing some balance. They are all prone to mistake but they bring other attributes. Personally think Triantis might benefit from a tweak of position.

[EGL2000]

Strange how players seem to get talked up when they’re not playing.

Personally, I think Expiteta is poor. Decent in the opposition box but makes too many poor decisions for a centre back. Passing isn’t good and, on the occasions I’ve watched him, has made some terrible mistakes that, luckily for him, have gone unpunished. A good example would be win at home to St Johnstone where he was dreadful.

Miller and Rocky are similar. Both strong and powerful but again prone to poor decisions and not the best passers of the ball particularly so when playing out from the back.

Maybe it’s just the level we are at?

Hoilett is on a one year deal. There’s no argument he has already made a contribution and in my opinion will continue to. Technically, one of our best players.

I don’t think a huge clear out is required but we definitely need to get rid of Amos, McKirdy, Levitt, Tavares, Kenneh, Bursik and Myko now, or in the case of those out on loan, at the end of the season.

I actually think apart from his first couple of games Hoilett has been poor especially recently. You need to remember he will be on a large wage, that's why Aberdeen didn't offer him a new deal. For me just isn't contributing much at all right now.

[MacGruber]

Did he though? It’s easy enough to watch the highlights,find the nearest defender to the goal scorer and assume it’s his man. (Or just call it a blunderif you don’t like the player involved). I’d like to know and understand better what combination of zone and man marking we use andwhen.

He's not solely to blame for the goals of course, poor defending all round. Perhaps poor phrasing on my part with 'his man'. He is deployed as the 6 though and he is still missing that instinct to sense where the danger is. The first goal probably the example where there was no need for the 3 centre backs to retreat to the 6 yard line with no opposition in there so that's not went right then in turn the danger is the one guy standing on his own at the penalty spot and Triantis is wrong side - collective failing he has a part in, like the other goals

[Mcbizz1998]

Very concerning about these potential renewals.

We haven't learned. These guys are not good enough for where we want to be regularly.

The only ones I'd keep would be Boyle until we get a replacement and Cadden as a squad option.

Officially worried.

Hoilett - nah
Boyle - yes
Gayle - if he could play more minutes then yes but looks like he might retire anyway
Cadden - yes as a squad option
McKirdy -nah
Campbell - maybe as a squad option but we need better
Bursik - nah
Rocky - nah
Boruch - nah
Kwon - nah
Miller - nah
Myko - nah
Triantis - if we could get him for a reasonable fee then possibly
Amos - nah

Agree with every one of these. People saying we should extend Bushiri and Miller need their heads checked. Gray has managed to get a tune out of this lot and credit to him but if we want to become best of the rest, which was the stated ambition of the BK’s, then we need a LOT better. Extending contracts of the majority of this squad would be nuts.

[Hibees1973]

Extending the contracts of players that have not been good enough most of their time here once we hit a good run of form is why we have a squad full of overpaid ***** right now.

Correct. The levels of sentiment on here at times is astonishing.

Ian Gordon and his father mentioned 3 or 4 years ago that the target was regular European football and reaching the group stages of these competitions.

Do some on here really think we will achieve this with the likes of Bushri, Campbell, C Cadden, Miller, etc in the side regularly.

[JohnM1875]

Correct. The levels of sentiment on here at times is astonishing.

Ian Gordon and his father mentioned 3 or 4 years ago that the target was regular European football and reaching the group stages of these competitions.

Do some on here really think we will achieve this with the likes of Bushri, Campbell, N Cadden, Miller, etc in the side regularly.

Nicky Cadden has been class. But I'm guessing you meant Chris, and I agree. I don't mind it to some extent if we sign better players to start and a few remain as back up, that's fine. Just can't see them wanting to hang around as back up.

[Cabbage-Patch]

Have to say I'm surprised we haven't got anyone in prior to tomorrow's game. Especially when we got a few out the door straight away. Centre Back, Centre Mid a necessity.

Dosent look like Vente is coming back either so hopefully Bowie isn't far away as we light up top aswell

[Fergus52]

I don't think that's the case anymore, historically yes it was but now? I think we can compete on wages. Hibs are a very attractive proposition, a club with aspirations of regular European football in one of the most attractive cities in the country with all the facilities expected at top clubs.

Don't underestimate the Black Knight option as well, there's a clear and obvious path to an established Premier League team with them which a player with desire to play in the top flight in England see as an advantage.

This is still the case, heart's donations from Anderson etc., and Aberdeen's from the unnamed benefactors far outstrip anything that the Gordons or Black Knights have put into us.

Seen something on twitter that Hearts's wage bill is nearly double what is was a 2/3 years ago, when they were already far outspending us.

[RMQ1967]

Agree with every one of these. People saying we should extend Bushiri and Miller need their heads checked. Gray has managed to get a tune out of this lot and credit to him but if we want to become best of the rest, which was the stated ambition of the BK’s, then we need a LOT better. Extending contracts of the majority of this squad would be nuts.

This is the bit that's interesting for me. For as long as I can remember, Hibs have brought in players who've performed very well at their previous clubs and then they come to Hibs and go downhill.

Early days, but it seems whatever SDG & the coaching team are doing to train and motivate them is finally starting to pay off. Guys like Youan and Newall (who many have given up on - myself included) are now playing at the level we know they're capable of and the whole team seems to have upped their desire & work-rate. I think we've generally been playing well since the start of the season but now that the stupid sending off's & bad decisions are reducing we're getting to where we should be.

I wouldn't rule out any of the guys in the current squad (even Kenneh seems to have turned a corner) - if SDG can continue to coach & motivate them to make them into better players then we shouldn't be in such a desperate hurry to get rid of them.

Of course we need 2 or 3 solid players to come in and add to what we have but we're now seeing the potential that good coaching and motivation can bring to a team. We haven't had a manager that could bring players in & improve them for a very long time - hopefully SDG has that in his locker.

[Centre Hawf]

Very concerning about these potential renewals.

We haven't learned. These guys are not good enough for where we want to be regularly.

The only ones I'd keep would be Boyle until we get a replacement and Cadden as a squad option.

Officially worried.

Hoilett - nah
Boyle - yes
Gayle - if he could play more minutes then yes but looks like he might retire anyway
Cadden - yes as a squad option
McKirdy -nah
Campbell - maybe as a squad option but we need better
Bursik - nah
Rocky - nah
Boruch - nah
Kwon - nah
Miller - nah
Myko - nah
Triantis - if we could get him for a reasonable fee then possibly
Amos - nah

I wouldn't be too worried. I think it was always going to be the case that a couple would get renewed. We can't build an entire squad in one window so we were always going to need to retain the services of some guys if their wages were going to be more in line with what we need them to be for their output.

You're likely to lose - Boyle, Levitt, Amos, NMW, Kwon, Bursik, Boruc, Mykola, Hoilett, Gayle, Triantis, Elie, McKirdy, Kenneh, Vente, Jair, Delferriere. All through a mixture of loans ending, contracts up, general transfers out, or loaning out again for their final season of their contracts as they're generally unwanted anyway.

That leaves us with just 10 players who are in the senior squad in - Smith, Ekpiteta, O'Hora, Obita, Iredale, N.Cadden, Newell, Campbell (who is not out of contract btw), Rudi, and Bowie.

I think when you look at that you can start to see why we'd consider offering guys like Rocky/Cadden/Miller an extension to ensure that we're not having our entire squad meet each other for the first time in the car park at HTC for preseason.

[Hibees1973]

Nicky Cadden has been class. But I'm guessing you meant Chris, and I agree. I don't mind it to some extent if we sign better players to start and a few remain as back up, that's fine. Just can't see them wanting to hang around as back up.

Indeed. Apologies, as you said I meant C Cadden.

Some mentioning keeping players as back up. This is why we have such a big squad with players either not getting much game time or punted out on loan. If you have 2 players for each position and one, for whatever reason, is unable to dislodge the other from the first team and is happy to hang around as a back up, is this really a player you want to keep.

Fine have two players for each position in the squad. Seems the way nowadays. Kind of a bug bear of mine these days, why players are not versatile enough that you have a squad with 2 players for each position.

We are in the position we are in (scraping again to get into the top 6) due to poor recruitment of players and managers over a number of years.

I'm no fan of the Foley deal long term for the stability of the club. However, it is what it is. It seems hopefully in Garvan Stewart and Malky (overlooking his personal character) that they are taking a new direction and we have pushed aside the fools who have had us scraping to get into the top 6 for the last 3-4 years.

[CropleyWasGod]

This is still the case, heart's donations from Anderson etc., and Aberdeen's from the unnamed benefactors far outstrip anything that the Gordons or Black Knights have put into us.

Seen something on twitter that Aberdeen's wage bill is nearly double what is was 2/3 years ago, when they were already far outspending us.

That's nowhere near true. I'd blame Musk.

Their wage bill in 2022 was about £10m. In 2024 it was £12m.

Ours for 2023 was £10m. TBA for 2024.

I'm not seeing anything from benefactors either.

[Murphys Touch]

Have to say I'm surprised we haven't got anyone in prior to tomorrow's game. Especially when we got a few out the door straight away. Centre Back, Centre Mid a necessity.

Dosent look like Vente is coming back either so hopefully Bowie isn't far away as we light up top aswell
#Me2 - when you think we were on an absolutely SHOCKING run up until 4 weeks before the window opened...you would think that plans and players would have been identified and moves been made to get us out the mess.

So in that case, we have identified improvements - so why not still bring them in. The league is garbage, Europe (amazingly) is still within our grasp but we are relying on the same players who got us in a mess and a squad who we are actively trying to punt. As much as Europe is still a possiblity - so is another 13/14 game winless run

[Jones28]

This is still the case, heart's donations from Anderson etc., and Aberdeen's from the unnamed benefactors far outstrip anything that the Gordons or Black Knights have put into us.

Seen something on twitter that Hearts's wage bill is nearly double what is was a 2/3 years ago, when they were already far outspending us.


That's nowhere near true. I'd blame Musk.

Their wage bill in 2022 was about £10m. In 2024 it was £12m.

Ours for 2023 was £10m. TBA for 2024.

I'm not seeing anything from benefactors either.

Exactly this.

It's probably double what it was 5-10 years ago when they were spending more than us.

The fact is that we have massively increased our spending in the last 5 or so years with the Gordons coming in and can compete with the wages the other two are playing.

[matty_f]

Wow, that’s extremely negative. Why aren’t we an attractive proposition?

I think in the grand scheme of things, the reality is we're not that attractive a proposition. Of course it's all relative but if you take away sentiment, Hibs are a mid-table side in a pretty poor league with very rich neighbours in the EPL and Championship.

There are loads of clubs that can pay more, have bigger crowds, bigger games, in better leagues, in nice weather, in good cities etc

We are a good club but there are hundreds of good clubs, it's hard to stand out as a good prospect against a lot of that competition. Particularly when Hearts and Aberdeen are still paying more than us (and they are).

[Centre Hawf]

Exactly this.

It's probably double what it was 5-10 years ago when they were spending more than us.

The fact is that we have massively increased our spending in the last 5 or so years with the Gordons coming in and can compete with the wages the other two are playing.

Our spend has went up but it was far too high in out wage to turnover ratio. So while there might not be a huge difference at the moment I think it's something the club will be looking to balance out again.

[matty_f]

Exactly this.

It's probably double what it was 5-10 years ago when they were spending more than us.

The fact is that we have massively increased our spending in the last 5 or so years with the Gordons coming in and can compete with the wages the other two are playing.
That £2m difference quoted is 20% of our budget more. That's significant.

If we offer £10k a week and Hearts offer £12k then that's £100k/year+ differences in salary, a no brainer for a player.

[Jones28]

I think in the grand scheme of things, the reality is we're not that attractive a proposition. Of course it's all relative but if you take away sentiment, Hibs are a mid-table side in a pretty poor league with very rich neighbours in the EPL and Championship.

There are loads of clubs that can pay more, have bigger crowds, bigger games, in better leagues, in nice weather, in good cities etc

We are a good club but there are hundreds of good clubs, it's hard to stand out as a good prospect against a lot of that competition. Particularly when Hearts and Aberdeen are still paying more than us (and they are).

If you compare us to England yes, but how many of those clubs are likely to be playing European football or potentially cup finals and semi-finals?

If you put it down to just money there's no question English clubs are miles away but from an overall perspective we pay decent wages but with the chance of more prestigious games being played.

[Jones28]

Our spend has went up but it was far too high in out wage to turnover ratio. So while there might not be a huge difference at the moment I think it's something the club will be looking to balance out again.

Which, if we look back at the last AGM, Kensall said this years accounts would look a lot more healthy in terms of wages to turnover.

[Cooshed Kid]

Correct. The levels of sentiment on here at times is astonishing.

Ian Gordon and his father mentioned 3 or 4 years ago that the target was regular European football and reaching the group stages of these competitions.

Do some on here really think we will achieve this with the likes of Bushri, Campbell, C Cadden, Miller, etc in the side regularly.
If it wasn’t for sentiment, I doubt many of us would actually watch the team on a regular basis and I’m pretty sure fewer of us would actually care about it. Hibernian FC is not for realists or business people. It’s all about sentiment and romance.

[JohnM1875]

That £2m difference quoted is 20% of our budget more. That's significant.

If we offer £10k a week and Hearts offer £12k then that's £100k/year+ differences in salary, a no brainer for a player.

Wasn't the chat about wages that Hearts pay relatively small/normal weekly amounts but add loads of extras if the team/player is playing well?

[Jones28]

That £2m difference quoted is 20% of our budget more. That's significant.

If we offer £10k a week and Hearts offer £12k then that's £100k/year+ differences in salary, a no brainer for a player.

It's still competitive though, and I think the reality is that if someone had a choice between us and the other 2, all clubs COULD offer the same wages.

Yes it's a no brainer you'd go to the club offering more money but if we wanted the player enough we could afford to stretch it.

I think. :greengrin

[Brightside]

The first team who started against Rangers will all get an offer. Kwon will go back. Gray will ask Mackay and Stewart to push the boat out for Nectar.
Nine plus Bowie, O'Hora, Jordan and Marv will make it 13 / 14. Couple of young lads Rudi, Rory.
If Dwight is still fit we should coax him into doing his badges whilst staying on.
Elie will have suitors sadly.
Everyone else should be moved on IMO.
It is very unlikely that we will sign more than two or three quality players. We are not an attractive proposition and both Hearts and Aberdeen will offer higher wages.

Rory?? He will be nowhere near the first team squad. He cant get a game at Spartans

[Centre Hawf]

I think in the grand scheme of things, the reality is we're not that attractive a proposition. Of course it's all relative but if you take away sentiment, Hibs are a mid-table side in a pretty poor league with very rich neighbours in the EPL and Championship.

There are loads of clubs that can pay more, have bigger crowds, bigger games, in better leagues, in nice weather, in good cities etc

We are a good club but there are hundreds of good clubs, it's hard to stand out as a good prospect against a lot of that competition. Particularly when Hearts and Aberdeen are still paying more than us (and they are).

As much as I hate to say it if you are a neutral and you're looking at the three clubs as a destination. You are a lot more likely to think of the other two as a better place to go play, especially if you're from mainland Europe and have zero connection to the UK/Scottish league.

If I'm a random Estonian defender I'm likely to look at Aberdeen/Hearts having played in UCL group stages recently and think "I fancy that", you look at us and we lack that type of edge on them. Both have even made cup finals more recently than us.

[Centre Hawf]

Which, if we look back at the last AGM, Kensall said this years accounts would look a lot more healthy in terms of wages to turnover.

I won't bet on that.

[Brightside]

Indeed. Apologies, as you said I meant C Cadden.

Some mentioning keeping players as back up. This is why we have such a big squad with players either not getting much game time or punted out on loan. If you have 2 players for each position and one, for whatever reason, is unable to dislodge the other from the first team and is happy to hang around as a back up, is this really a player you want to keep.

Fine have two players for each position in the squad. Seems the way nowadays. Kind of a bug bear of mine these days, why players are not versatile enough that you have a squad with 2 players for each position.

We are in the position we are in (scraping again to get into the top 6) due to poor recruitment of players and managers over a number of years.

I'm no fan of the Foley deal long term for the stability of the club. However, it is what it is. It seems hopefully in Garvan Stewart and Malky (overlooking his personal character) that they are taking a new direction and we have pushed aside the fools who have had us scraping to get into the top 6 for the last 3-4 years.

The Cadden boys playing as wingbacks have been excellent for us. Im astounded people want rid of Chris. A top class professional who is excellent in our current system. Someone mentioned we have Megwa so we dont need him?? Chris Cadden is light years ahead of Megwa AND Miller in the RWB area.

[CapitalGreen]

If it wasn’t for sentiment, I doubt many of us would actually watch the team on a regular basis and I’m pretty sure fewer of us would actually care about it. Hibernian FC is not for realists or business people. It’s all about sentiment and romance.

Sentiment towards teams and players that have contributed to success and enjoyable football is one thing, sentiment towards players who have contributed to awful defensive records and sustained periods of mediocrity is another.

[Jones28]

I won't bet on that.

Maybe not, but it would be a mad thing to say if there's going to be no evidence. He's leaving himself open to a lot of criticism. Maybe thats not a problem from his point of view but he will get it tight at the AGM.

[Centre Hawf]

Maybe not, but it would be a mad thing to say if there's going to be no evidence. He's leaving himself open to a lot of criticism. Maybe thats not a problem from his point of view but he will get it tight at the AGM.

It wouldn't be the first thing he's said that's basically a load of nonsense.

[04Sauzee]

Hearts midfielder Cammy Devlin is attracting interest from clubs in England and America, the Edinburgh News can reveal. English Championship outfit Portsmouth and MLS side New York City FC are both keen on the Australian internationalist, who signed a new contract at Tynecastle Park just four months ago.

Devlin's deal runs until summer 2026, but those coveting his signature believe they can invoke a minimum-fee release clause. Interested clubs are convinced they could trigger the 26-year-old's exit from Tynecastle Park with a cash offer of just over £280,000.

[Hibees1973]

If it wasn’t for sentiment, I doubt many of us would actually watch the team on a regular basis and I’m pretty sure fewer of us would actually care about it. Hibernian FC is not for realists or business people. It’s all about sentiment and romance.

Hmm.

Maybe we could recruit a Mills and Boon author and get them to draw up a business plan for Hibs to satisfy you.

[JohnM1875]

Hearts midfielder Cammy Devlin is attracting interest from clubs in England and America, the Edinburgh News can reveal. English Championship outfit Portsmouth and MLS side New York City FC are both keen on the Australian internationalist, who signed a new contract at Tynecastle Park just four months ago.

Devlin's deal runs until summer 2026, but those coveting his signature believe they can invoke a minimum-fee release clause. Interested clubs are convinced they could trigger the 26-year-old's exit from Tynecastle Park with a cash offer of just over £280,000.

He's utter pish. Hope he stays.

[Northernhibee]

The Cadden boys playing as wingbacks have been excellent for us. Im astounded people want rid of Chris. A top class professional who is excellent in our current system. Someone mentioned we have Megwa so we dont need him?? Chris Cadden is light years ahead of Megwa AND Miller in the RWB area.

Completely agree with this.

[Fergus52]

That's nowhere near true. I'd blame Musk.

Their wage bill in 2022 was about £10m. In 2024 it was £12m.

Ours for 2023 was £10m. TBA for 2024.

I'm not seeing anything from benefactors either.

Think it was Hearts actually - updated my post.

Aberdeen do have benefactors who regularly donate millions, its well documented when I've read summaries of their accounts.


Exactly this.

It's probably double what it was 5-10 years ago when they were spending more than us.

The fact is that we have massively increased our spending in the last 5 or so years with the Gordons coming in and can compete with the wages the other two are playing.

The below is from Swiss Ramble, who are a pretty well respected blogger on football finances. Shows that our wage bill is closer to that of Ross County's and Kilmarnock's than it is Hearts. WIth them paying 16.5 million per year and us 10.1.

The figures for us are a year behind, but even if ours has risen 10-20% since then (which is unlikely if Kensall is saying our wages to turnover ratio has improved) its still miles behind Hearts.

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[Hibees1973]

He's utter pish. Hope he stays.

Correct.

Whenever the Yam are on the cusp of achieving something it's players like Devlin who make them fail. He's never far away from a booking/sending off/calamity.

Could count at least 10 Yam players I would take before him.

[Fergus52]

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Looking at revenue as well, Hearts and Aberdeen are both well ahead of us, so they can sustainability pay higher wages without incurring losses.

[MacGruber]

Correct. The levels of sentiment on here at times is astonishing.

Ian Gordon and his father mentioned 3 or 4 years ago that the target was regular European football and reaching the group stages of these competitions.

Do some on here really think we will achieve this with the likes of Bushri, Campbell, C Cadden, Miller, etc in the side regularly.

No. But as better options for the bench/squad, yes.

It's not just about a first 11.

Out of interest, how many players do people that want shot of near enough everyone envisage we make this summer.

Clear them all out - bring in a new 20!

Do we have the funds to be bringing in a whole new squad in one go?

Too risky for me.

For all intents and purposes it looks like Gray has managed to turn a corner and is managing to get this team playing well and getting results.

Personally don't feel the whole thing at this point needs scrapped. Obviously we need to strengthen in a number of areas and we need to be bringing in some real quality into the starting 11 and I'm sure we'll be aiming to do just that. There is plenty already in the building though that can compliment that

[B.H.F.C]

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Looking at revenue as well, Hearts and Aberdeen are both well ahead of us, so they can sustainability pay higher wages without incurring losses.

I know revenue isn’t everything, but it’ll be interesting to see how much that gap has closed up when our accounts are out.

[Exuberance1875]

The Cadden boys playing as wingbacks have been excellent for us. Im astounded people want rid of Chris. A top class professional who is excellent in our current system. Someone mentioned we have Megwa so we dont need him?? Chris Cadden is light years ahead of Megwa AND Miller in the RWB area.

Chris Cadden is anything but excellent, we concede loads of goals from the right hand side, lacks serious defensive capabilities and isn’t all that great going forward. Aye he runs about a bit but that’s the bare minimum expectation.

His brother on the other hand is a genuine player.

We’ve been brutal at the back for a few years and he’s been pretty much a constant back there, couple of improved performances doesn’t mask that for me.

I doubt he’d seriously improve any other team in the league in that position

[JohnM1875]

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Looking at revenue as well, Hearts and Aberdeen are both well ahead of us, so they can sustainability pay higher wages without incurring losses.

Both have had European group stage football, hearts twice. Surprised it isn't wider.

[Jones28]

Think it was Hearts actually - updated my post.

Aberdeen do have benefactors who regularly donate millions, its well documented when I've read summaries of their accounts.



The below is from Swiss Ramble, who are a pretty well respected blogger on football finances. Shows that our wage bill is closer to that of Ross County's and Kilmarnock's than it is Hearts. WIth them paying 16.5 million per year and us 10.1.

The figures for us are a year behind, but even if ours has risen 10-20% since then (which is unlikely if Kensall is saying our wages to turnover ratio has improved) its still miles behind Hearts.

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Wow, I didn't realise their wages were so high. Fair dos!

I do still think we are much more competitive than we were though.

Interesting to see that our figure is older, wonder if we will see a big difference from the latest accounts.

[J-C]

We have a Jekyll and Hyde squad, did you not all see the 1st 8-9 games, even with our wee good run we are still capable of putting in 30 minutes of horrendous football now and then. I'd still be happy to see half of them go, Rocky hasn't improved since he came, Miller is a big athletic lump with little footballing talent and the 2 new CB's look every inch lower English league 2 players. Have we all forgotten how poor Newell was when we were losing all those games, he's been part of a crap Hibs since he came.

[EGL2000]

I think in the grand scheme of things, the reality is we're not that attractive a proposition. Of course it's all relative but if you take away sentiment, Hibs are a mid-table side in a pretty poor league with very rich neighbours in the EPL and Championship.

There are loads of clubs that can pay more, have bigger crowds, bigger games, in better leagues, in nice weather, in good cities etc

We are a good club but there are hundreds of good clubs, it's hard to stand out as a good prospect against a lot of that competition. Particularly when Hearts and Aberdeen are still paying more than us (and they are).


I think for your average player not currently playing in England we are a pretty attractive proposition. Easy route to English football if you do well, great city, very good stadium and crowd relative to other European leagues. Only major downside I would say is the weather.

[matty_f]

If you compare us to England yes, but how many of those clubs are likely to be playing European football or potentially cup finals and semi-finals?

If you put it down to just money there's no question English clubs are miles away but from an overall perspective we pay decent wages but with the chance of more prestigious games being played.
I don't think that many players are dropping bigger wages for a potential trip to Hampden or Conference League, especially when last season we were eighth, and have been bottom six all this season.

Even a £1k/week difference in wages is more than the average person's annual salary in just the difference in pay. For the majority of players, that's what it'll come down. Over a three year deal that £1k/week is more than £150k to that player and their family.

Very few of us would turn that down.

[Centre Hawf]

Both have had European group stage football, hearts twice. Surprised it isn't wider.

That won't include any of Hearts European money from this year either. It might not even include Aberdeens from last year if depending on the way they've reported it.

[The Modfather]

The Cadden boys playing as wingbacks have been excellent for us. Im astounded people want rid of Chris. A top class professional who is excellent in our current system. Someone mentioned we have Megwa so we dont need him?? Chris Cadden is light years ahead of Megwa AND Miller in the RWB area.

Chris Cadden isn’t great in either 3rd IMO. Doesn’t stop enough crosses and is dribbled past too often, he also just shells balls into the box regardless of where players are. A new wingback, one whose main assets are attacking, like his brother, is one of the priorities for me. 3 CB’s and one defensive midfielder is enough for defending in this league if we’re well coached, IMO. I wouldn’t keep either of Cadden or Miller, particularly not for fullback or wingback positions. Cadden is an impressive athlete though.

[evy]

He's utter pish. Hope he stays.

Played himself out of the Boxing Day derby with the early booking. Totally neutralised his "game" (reads as: being a hammer thrower).

[Hibees1973]

Played himself out of the Boxing Day derby with the early booking. Totally neutralised his "game" (reads as: being a hammer thrower).

Well.

At Build a Bear.

[matty_f]

I think for your average player not currently playing in England we are a pretty attractive proposition. Easy route to English football if you do well, great city, very good stadium and crowd relative to other European leagues. Only major downside I would say is the weather.

We're a bottom six side in the Scottish Premiership. English clubs watch players all over Europe, so the shop window advantage is over played.

Kevin Nisbet left us to go to ****ing Millwall, to give you an idea of what we're up against.

[Leitherhibs]

The Cadden boys playing as wingbacks have been excellent for us. Im astounded people want rid of Chris. A top class professional who is excellent in our current system. Someone mentioned we have Megwa so we dont need him?? Chris Cadden is light years ahead of Megwa AND Miller in the RWB area.

Totally agree.

[Jones28]

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Looking at revenue as well, Hearts and Aberdeen are both well ahead of us, so they can sustainability pay higher wages without incurring losses.

Does revenue take in to account the £50 million from FOH and Anderson they have received since pressing the reset button?

[matty_f]

It's still competitive though, and I think the reality is that if someone had a choice between us and the other 2, all clubs COULD offer the same wages.

Yes it's a no brainer you'd go to the club offering more money but if we wanted the player enough we could afford to stretch it.

I think. :greengrin

For one player, maybe, but not many and it's not sustainable. It's not that competitive either. If I was going for two similar jobs and over offered £50k/year more than the other then there's not even a decision to make there. That's not competitive in the slightest, really.

[Jones28]

I don't think that many players are dropping bigger wages for a potential trip to Hampden or Conference League, especially when last season we were eighth, and have been bottom six all this season.

Even a £1k/week difference in wages is more than the average person's annual salary in just the difference in pay. For the majority of players, that's what it'll come down. Over a three year deal that £1k/week is more than £150k to that player and their family.

Very few of us would turn that down.

No thats fair enough, and it's more competitive now with their new TV deal down the road.

I'm probably romanticising Scottish football too much but I do think a player can choose Scotland over England, make a good wage and enjoy much more high-profile matches than in the lower end of the Championship in England.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Chris Cadden isn’t great in either 3rd IMO. Doesn’t stop enough crosses and is dribbled past too often, he also just shells balls into the box regardless of where players are. A new wingback, one whose main assets are attacking, like his brother, is one of the priorities for me. 3 CB’s and one defensive midfielder is enough for defending in this league if we’re well coached, IMO. I wouldn’t keep either of Cadden or Miller, particularly not for fullback or wingback positions. Cadden is an impressive athlete though.

The idea that Chris Cadden could ever be described as excellent is mind blowing to me but I suppose that’s what this sites for.

I’d say RB/RWB is our weakest area of the pitch with Miller and Cadden and both need replaced. That replacement also cannot be Megwa who also isn’t good enough, at least not at this stage.

[Jones28]

For one player, maybe, but not many and it's not sustainable. It's not that competitive either. If I was going for two similar jobs and over offered £50k/year more than the other then there's not even a decision to make there. That's not competitive in the slightest, really.

For one player, exactly. Unless you're that Aberdeen journo who has us going for every player Aberdeen sign I can't remember the last time 3 clubs were chasing the same signature, so I don't think sustainability really comes in to it because we don't often compete for the same players.

McCowan for example - we were deep in to the bidding process for him, were Aberdeen or Hearts interested in the slightest?

Dylan Bikey is that last time I mind us and Hearts going after the same player.

[flash]

75 pages of wind and pish on this thread and not a peep about our massive match tomorrow.

We have all become whores to these manufactured transfer windows.

[CapitalGreen]

The idea that Chris Cadden could ever be described as excellent as mind blowing to me but I suppose that’s what the sites for.

I’d say RB/RWB is our weakest area of the pitch with Miller and Cadden and both need replaced. That replacement also cannot be Megwa who also isn’t good enough, at least not at this stage.

If Chris Cadden was lining up on the right hand side for an opponent you would have no concerns, in fact you’d be excited about the likes of Youan or his brother facing him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If Chris Cadden was lining up on the right hand side for an opponent you would have no concerns, in fact you’d be excited about the likes of Youan or his brother facing him.

:agree:

[andrew70]

https://open.substack.com/pub/andrewjeffrey/p/aidan-fitzpatrick?r=2f20qe&utm_medium=ios

Would Aidan fit in at Easter Road?

[Exuberance1875]

If Chris Cadden was lining up on the right hand side for an opponent you would have no concerns, in fact you’d be excited about the likes of Youan or his brother facing him.

Exactly. Probably the reason Jair got a game for a decent period of time, play against him in training and he’ll look like Ronaldo

[followhibs]

I think in the grand scheme of things, the reality is we're not that attractive a proposition. Of course it's all relative but if you take away sentiment, Hibs are a mid-table side in a pretty poor league with very rich neighbours in the EPL and Championship.

There are loads of clubs that can pay more, have bigger crowds, bigger games, in better leagues, in nice weather, in good cities etc

We are a good club but there are hundreds of good clubs, it's hard to stand out as a good prospect against a lot of that competition. Particularly when Hearts and Aberdeen are still paying more than us (and they are).

I think you make a great point, I was speaking to an agent while on Holiday over the Christmas period and he told me Hibs was not that a desirable a club for Good players, the club has come across as a circus over the last few seasons and we attract middle of the road players with not a lot of other options.
Youth development will be virtually non existent as we have no consistent structure in place with average players on decent money blocking the pathway.
Pretty rough stuff to listen to from someone within the industry. Too be fair he's not far off what we have seen.

[Donegal Hibby]

Over the last 8 games when things have improved we have lost 12 goals in them games , hertz have lost 7 without having the OF to play , Aberdeen have lost 15 , Motherwell and Dundee Utd 10 .

In them 8 games Motherwell have scored 11, hertz 10 , Dundee U 9 and Aberdeen 4 . We have scored 16 which might suggest that we are more attacking in getting players forward for all our defensive frailties that are mentioned.

[Since452]

Purple patch? Triantis? He's done what you'd expect - with the odd bad mistake, bad pass and even an OG thrown in (but doesn't get the slating that Rocky gets) - and I'd keep him for sure, but I'd hardly say he's hit a purple patch. Not unless it's relative and he was totally honking before.

We was. He was also just standing watching the Rangers scorer in acres of space last weekend and didn't seem to get any stick for it. If that was Rocky... He's improving but he's another I wouldn't be bothered if we didn't keep.