Next Manager?

[matty_f]

I think Kompany getting the Bayern Munich job is a really interesting one and there could be comparables with us and who we end up going for.

One of the biggest clubs in world football have just appointed a manager of a small club in Burnley who have just been relegated. When you stop and think about that, it’s pretty ****ing mental as I’m sure it’s not a job Sean Dyche was ever considered for and he kept them up!

Why I think there could be relevance is they never looked at his win% and they never judged him on his Wikipedia page with a tick or a cross beside each job he’s done to say if he’s been good or bad. They’ve dug a bit deeper and saw he wanted to play a style of football that is better suited to them than it would be to a team like Burnley. They’ve obviously looked at his attributes and felt despite the relative failure at Burnley, he’s a great fit for them.

I think it could be interesting if Mackay is going for a coach, rather than a typical manager, he may well look at someone who has failed as a manager else where but looking into it, they failed because the maybe never had a Malky Mackay there to support them and they weren’t left to do the coaching. Malky Mackay will know who the best coaches in the land and beyond are, he may well look at someone and think despite them failing elsewhere, with the right structure, they’d do brilliantly.

IMO we need to be quite open minded about that being a possibility and not be too quick to judge based on their Wikipedia page or what fans of previous clubs might say.

In the past we’ve not done that, we’ve just looked at the end result of previous jobs and decided the candidate was either good or bad and that’s why we’ve had so many failed appointments I think.

I wouldn’t get too hung up on the head coach/manager titles, at the vast majority of big clubs these days there isn’t a huge difference in practice to their roles.

Different with smaller clubs with less of a set up, but i wouldn’t see it as a barrier to a manager to come in as a head coach really.

[matty_f]

“And objections based on Gray’s limited exposure to life as a No. 1 have apparently been diminished, in discussions at the highest level, by the presence of new sporting director Malky Mackay acting as a sounding board and potential mentor to the rookie gaffer”

That was a quote from one of the pieces in the EEN this week. Doesn’t mean it’s true of course but it is usually a more trusted paper than the other rags. It set alarm bells off for me to be honest as I agree he already has a massive remit on his hands.

I think that’s a throwaway line, to be honest.

Of course he’ll be there to support but i don’t think either he or the head coach will want to be seen to have the relationship where Malky is pulling the strings , so to speak - and Malky shouldn’t have much time to be that close to the first team given the vast remit of his job.

[Since452]

Jeez it's hard to even make a vanilla post like mine without attracting this sort of crap nowadays.

Weird response but OK.

[JimBHibees]

Gray by name, gray by.........

Wow cool chat that ffs

[JimBHibees]

One thing I’ve no concerns over is SDG’s ability to be ruthless with players, even the ones he’s on friendly terms with. I’m not betraying the confidence but he’s already had frank conversations with at least one of them.

A major factor in him being a success imo is if he can get an experienced no 2 to work alongside him. The guy he’d like I believe would be an excellent appointment. Of course we have to give SDG the job in the first place….

Would his number 2 be exHibs? Bartley?

[jeffers]

Would his number 2 be exHibs? Bartley?

Yes and no :greengrin It’s all I can say for now.

[Onion]

SDG is hugely respected, knows the club, and in a wet dream might even be the next Eddie Turnbull. If he was appointed by folk I trusted and respected, I'd be thrilled for him to get the top job. It would be an exciting new era. But I don't. These owners have ****ed up virtually every major footballing decision over the last 3 years, losing £ millions in the process.

This next appointment needs to be explained, make complete sense and have a high probability of success. A legend's reputation is at risk.

[cam75]

How about DG.daz and Bartley in the coaches role ?

[JimBHibees]

I’m not sure why folk think Malky Mackay is going to be hands on supporting Gray if he gets the job?

Mackay’s remit is massive, I’m sure he’ll be there to help at times but his role is about making sure everything around the Head Coach is set up to support them rather than being a mentor.

Wouldn't like to think he would be hands on but as you say a support to bounce off and support David's requests up the way in the club. Hope he also brings in a decent assistant to also support.

[JimBHibees]

Yes and no :greengrin It’s all I can say for now.

😀 Yogi then. We could be here a while :faf:

[jeffers]

Wouldn't like to think he would be hands on but as you say a support to bounce off and support David's requests up the way in the club. Hope he also brings in a decent assistant to also support.

By all accounts MacKay has zero interest in being a manager again. He’s been there and done it and is fully committed to the role of Sporting Director.

[Jones28]

Yes and no :greengrin It’s all I can say for now.

It's Kevin Thomspon isn't it?

[worcesterhibby]

I really don't think their is anyone out there that will get the fans happy and behind 100% . If a legend like Gray is already getting written off before he's got the job then I don't think there's much hope for anyone else . Beginning to think the Hibs job is a poison chalice in more ways than one .

I don't think that's fair. The vast majority of those who have reservations about SDG becoming manager are pointing out his lack of experience and the fact he has been part of the coaching set up for a while but not managed to improve us through his influence. They are legitimate concerns and fair discussion. No one is "writing him off" but whoever comes in will take flack if they don't hit the ground running.

[Mikey_1875]

I think that’s a throwaway line, to be honest.

Of course he’ll be there to support but i don’t think either he or the head coach will want to be seen to have the relationship where Malky is pulling the strings , so to speak - and Malky shouldn’t have much time to be that close to the first team given the vast remit of his job.

You might be right and I suppose it’s one we will never find out unless you were involved in the day to day running of the club. Nobody will want to be seen in that light of course but the reality of the situation may be different. We will all have our different versions of what overstepping the mark looks like between MM and manager as well.

The bit that bugs me is the reports that we have narrowed our search to young (i’m reading not wholly experienced) managers without a club. That seems mad to me and I’m struggling to see positives in being so restrictive. No compensation is the obvious one but are we really letting the best man go over say 200k if we really want him? The other reasons I can think of are all fairly negative ones.

[J-C]

Jeez it's hard to even make a vanilla post like mine without attracting this sort of crap nowadays.

There's a section of our support who I seriously question just why they support Hibs, never happy about anything, constantly trying to find fault in everything the club does and no matter who we appoint it's never the correct one.

[JohnM1875]

There's a section of our support who I seriously question just why they support Hibs, never happy about anything, constantly trying to find fault in everything the club does and no matter who we appoint it's never the correct one.

Maybe those fans don't think the club has done anything right for a good number of years? Other than hospitality and screens I'm struggling myself to think of much positive.

I'm not a 'bed wetter' or 'happy clapper' but I'd say I'm definitely more positive than negative about the club, even I'm starting to get a bit pissed off with things though. So I can 100% understand why others would be more negative and express it,

About the bit in bold surely there'll always be folk who think that at every club the world over, we just have more fannies on social media now so it seems worse.

[Springbank]

If we can't get the Kilmarnock manager, when he is clearly the only man for the job, at this specific juncture in our 149 year history, when we are about to give a gaffer expensive players to coach onto a team, then we are in a bad place.

[bingo70]

If we can't get the Kilmarnock manager, when he is clearly the only man for the job, at this specific juncture in our 149 year history, when we are about to give a gaffer expensive players to coach onto a team, then we are in a bad place.

What if the Kilmarnock manager was happy in Kilmarnock as it’s closer to where his family is?

To be honest, the attitude we should just go and take the Kilmarnock manager doesn’t sit right with me. More than a touch of arrogance about it.

[leith lynx]

Yes and no :greengrin It’s all I can say for now.

John Rankin

[JimBHibees]

By all accounts MacKay has zero interest in being a manager again. He’s been there and done it and is fully committed to the role of Sporting Director.

Sounds good

[J-C]

Yes and no :greengrin It’s all I can say for now.

How about Collins, Murray or Thomson

[JimBHibees]

What if the Kilmarnock manager was happy in Kilmarnock as it’s closer to where his family is?

To be honest, the attitude we should just go and take the Kilmarnock manager doesn’t sit right with me. More than a touch of arrogance about it.

Does sound like that especially a team clearly above us in the league and in Europe and improving year on year

[Unseen work]

SDG, Bartley and Marv would be too inexperienced for me.

Instead of Bartley I’d rather a Yogi/Collins in there for example, it then comes down to would they manage to be an assistant and not take over.

I did think Doolan but he’s manager of Accrington Stanley. John Potter? He’s at Raith.

Grant Holt? No idea what he’s doing but similar to Bartley.

[Smartie]

SDG, Bartley and Marv would be too inexperienced for me.

Instead of Bartley I’d rather a Yogi/Collins in there for example, it then comes down to would they manage to be an assistant and not take over.

I did think Doolan but he’s manager of Accrington Stanley. John Potter? He’s at Raith.

Grant Holt? No idea what he’s doing but similar to Bartley.

I’m in favour of Gray but I think he’d need an experienced assistant.

Stubbs? Scottish Cup dream team?

Garry Parker? Would have been the assistant to Lennon at Hibs when Gray was still playing.



It should really be Gray’s choice though.

[Betty Boop]

I think Kompany getting the Bayern Munich job is a really interesting one and there could be comparables with us and who we end up going for.

One of the biggest clubs in world football have just appointed a manager of a small club in Burnley who have just been relegated. When you stop and think about that, it’s pretty ****ing mental as I’m sure it’s not a job Sean Dyche was ever considered for and he kept them up!

Why I think there could be relevance is they never looked at his win% and they never judged him on his Wikipedia page with a tick or a cross beside each job he’s done to say if he’s been good or bad. They’ve dug a bit deeper and saw he wanted to play a style of football that is better suited to them than it would be to a team like Burnley. They’ve obviously looked at his attributes and felt despite the relative failure at Burnley, he’s a great fit for them.

I think it could be interesting if Mackay is going for a coach, rather than a typical manager, he may well look at someone who has failed as a manager else where but looking into it, they failed because the maybe never had a Malky Mackay there to support them and they weren’t left to do the coaching. Malky Mackay will know who the best coaches in the land and beyond are, he may well look at someone and think despite them failing elsewhere, with the right structure, they’d do brilliantly.

IMO we need to be quite open minded about that being a possibility and not be too quick to judge based on their Wikipedia page or what fans of previous clubs might say.

In the past we’ve not done that, we’ve just looked at the end result of previous jobs and decided the candidate was either good or bad and that’s why we’ve had so many failed appointments I think.

Vincent Kompany also spent two seasons as Anderlecht manager where he done a decent job.

[Donegal Hibby]

I don't think that's fair. The vast majority of those who have reservations about SDG becoming manager are pointing out his lack of experience and the fact he has been part of the coaching set up for a while but not managed to improve us through his influence. They are legitimate concerns and fair discussion. No one is "writing him off" but whoever comes in will take flack if they don't hit the ground running.

The reservations about him having a lack of experience as manager is fair enough though neither did Mowbray or Naismith though they all had different experiences they took from their playing career's into management and so far none of them's done badly , Mcinnes was another at St Johnstone too .

As to Gray not improving us as part of a coaching setup with his influence I'd like to think that whoever the manager was calls the shots there . I think it was Boyle that said recently as a manager Gray is much more vocal about putting his own ideas across though in the last two games he didn't want to complicate things by putting too many across.

What Gray did say after taking over was after losing the amount of goals we did recently he wanted the defence to tighten up and be harder to score against . I thought he did do that .

If Gray gets it none of us can 100% say how he'll do though that goes for any manager too , saying he'd be the worst appointment we could make and asking questions " what if he fails ? " before he's even got the job certainly feels like he's been written off before he's even started to a degree imo.

[Unseen work]

Michael Valkanis linked

[04Sauzee]

🚨 Excl: Michael Valkanis emerges as Hibs manager candidate as assistant coach plots Ajax exit to become main man

📎 footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-…

[JohnM1875]

I now really want it to be Ronny Deila.


I know folk will say his Celtic tenure wasn't exactly great (still managed a double). But he has experience of the league and looks to have only gone on to be a better coach since leaving Celtic. Doing really well in the MLS and losing only 10 out of 49 games at his last team, Club Brugge, winning 28 of those and reaching the quarters of the Conference League.


Looking at the above though we probably don't have a chance of him wanting the job.

[Unseen work]

https://youtu.be/-GoZFBLudtw?si=antbY9BFaufG9W89

Interview of Valkanis from his time at Hapoel Tel Aviv. Certainly the first minute he sounds like something the board would be looking for with how he see’s the game being played

[04Sauzee]

https://youtu.be/-GoZFBLudtw?si=antbY9BFaufG9W89

Interview of Valkanis from his time at Hapoel Tel Aviv. Certainly the first minute he sounds like something the board would be looking for with how he see’s the game being played

Wonder what happened there, got 5 games by the looks of things 👀

[JohnM1875]

https://youtu.be/-GoZFBLudtw?si=antbY9BFaufG9W89

Interview of Valkanis from his time at Hapoel Tel Aviv. Certainly the first minute he sounds like something the board would be looking for with how he see’s the game being played

Just the usual guff every new manager says to be honest. I’m sick of hearing managers talking about being attacking etc etc.

I want someone who can actually deliver it. He could well be the guy, who knows.

[Unseen work]

Wonder what happened there, got 5 games by the looks of things 👀

Think it was the issues in Israel itself that lead to him leaving

[Unseen work]

Just the usual guff every new manager says to be honest. I’m sick of hearing managers talking about being attacking etc etc.

I want someone who can actually deliver it. He could well be the guy, who knows.

100%

Need to get someone who can actually deliver it

We then need to give them players that can deliver it

[04Sauzee]

Think it was the issues in Israel itself that lead to him leaving

Makes sense

[Alex Trager]

🚨 Excl: Michael Valkanis emerges as Hibs manager candidate as assistant coach plots Ajax exit to become main man

📎 footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-…

Feel like he would 100% come in and talk about the Hibs way and how his Ajax experience would set him up for that.

[AugustaHibs]

Giving me Montgomery vibes..

[bingo70]

Giving me Montgomery vibes..

He was absolutely nothing like Montgomery?

Looked a lot more comfortable in front of the camera than Monty did that’s for sure.

[blackpoolhibs]

Not bothered listening, i'm fed up listening to managers talk, they all say the same sort of things.

Did he mention high press? :greengrin

[bingo70]

Not bothered listening, i'm fed up listening to managers talk, they all say the same sort of things.

Did he mention high press? :greengrin

No even get a slight wee tingle at a new manager interview BH?

I’m an absolute sucker for it.

**** it, I’m away to see if he’s done a podcast.

[HendoDelivered]

Not bothered listening, i'm fed up listening to managers talk, they all say the same sort of things.

Did he mention high press? :greengrin

Yep. Boring as hell chat.

[Since452]

Not bothered listening, i'm fed up listening to managers talk, they all say the same sort of things.

Did he mention high press? :greengrin

Same. They all spout the same stuff. Just want to see Hibs winning more often than not.

[Sioux]

Same. They all spout the same stuff. Just want to see Hibs winning more often than not.

When anyone is touting themselves for a job, wtf do you expect them to say?

[04Sauzee]

Just away to research the Ajax U21 squad

[Donegal Hibby]

Still would prefer Gray .
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Valkanis

[ruthven_raiders]

I now really want it to be Ronny Deila.


I know folk will say his Celtic tenure wasn't exactly great (still managed a double). But he has experience of the league and looks to have only gone on to be a better coach since leaving Celtic. Doing really well in the MLS and losing only 10 out of 49 games at his last team, Club Brugge, winning 28 of those and reaching the quarters of the Conference League.


Looking at the above though we probably don't have a chance of him wanting the job.

This the one I want too, with SDG as his assistant...

[blackpoolhibs]

No even get a slight wee tingle at a new manager interview BH?

I’m an absolute sucker for it.

**** it, I’m away to see if he’s done a podcast.

Nope, i think the last time i was really enjoyed what a Hibs manager said was Mowbray, he had a way of talking that made you want to listen to more.

[SHODAN]

Another assistant?

[04Sauzee]

Another assistant?

Hasn't always been

[brydekirk]

Just the usual guff every new manager says to be honest. I’m sick of hearing managers talking about being attacking etc etc.

I want someone who can actually deliver it. He could well be the guy, who knows.

Montgomery delivered an attacking team, he just forgot to put a defence in.

[ruthven_raiders]

Another assistant?

Think I'll check out of this thread till we get concrete news becoming a bit monotonous.......
Oh to he Hibs supporter just now 😮💚

[bingo70]

Another assistant?

Who are the other assistants? Maloney was the last I think but this guy has managerial experience himself as well as coaching at a high level.

I wouldn’t get too hung up about it though, he’s throwing his hat into the ring which normally means he won’t get it but he wants people to be talking about him.

[Gordy M]

Who are the other assistants? Maloney was the last I think but this guy has managerial experience himself as well as coaching at a high level.

I wouldn’t get too hung up about it though, he’s throwing his hat into the ring which normally means he won’t get it but he wants people to be talking about him.

Exactly, folk do this a lot, get all angry and annoyed because some random name gets dropped into the conversation. Same happens during the transfer windows. Its usually a way to critisize the club, as with everything these days.

[brydekirk]

Michael Valkanis linked

Valkanis erupts as search for new manager heats up.🙈

[bingo70]

Exactly, folk do this a lot, get all angry and annoyed because some random name gets dropped into the conversation. Same happens during the transfer windows. Its usually a way to critisize the club, as with everything these days.

Just to argue with my own point you’ve agreed with, I saw this on Twitter:-

https://x.com/fawcoached/status/1788153905567736019?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHg

“ 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Next up, we have @AFCAjax Assistant Coach, Michael Valkanis!

You can find out what the former A-League winner will be delivering at our National Conference event below👇”

Ears pricked up at that as I’m sure Malky Mackay said on that sporting director podcast he’s worked closely with the Welsh FA or there was some link with Malky and them anyway.

Wonder if there could be more to this than the usual random Jonny foreigner throwing their hat into the ring 🤔

[Since452]

Nope, i think the last time i was really enjoyed what a Hibs manager said was Mowbray, he had a way of talking that made you want to listen to more.

Got to admit, i was completely taken in by Lee Johnson. Thought we were on to a sure thing when he joined. The Masterclass thing about his win over Man City/United (can't remember which) won me over. Should have done my research! Will take anything a manager says now with a pinch of salt.

[He's here!]

What if the Kilmarnock manager was happy in Kilmarnock as it’s closer to where his family is?

To be honest, the attitude we should just go and take the Kilmarnock manager doesn’t sit right with me. More than a touch of arrogance about it.

I don't think anyone's being arrogant about it. There are very few ambitious managers who will stay put for their families and the Hibs job should be one that a Kilmarnock manager would see as a significant step up. Sadly we're in such a mess that the likes of Killie, St Mirren or Motherwell don't really regard us as a bigger club.

[Gordy M]

I don't think anyone's being arrogant about it. There are very few ambitious managers who will stay put for their families and the Hibs job should be one that a Kilmarnock manager would see as a significant step up. Sadly we're in such a mess that the likes of Killie, St Mirren or Motherwell don't really regard us as a bigger club.

We are not in that much of a mess.....jeez. the mighty Killie won 3 more games than us, after a terrible season. Wont take much to turn this around. McInnes is a strange one as he has knocked back bigger clubs before, but Kettlewell and Robinson would 100% come to us if we were interested.

[Paul1642]

I don't think anyone's being arrogant about it. There are very few ambitious managers who will stay put for their families and the Hibs job should be one that a Kilmarnock manager would see as a significant step up. Sadly we're in such a mess that the likes of Killie, St Mirren or Motherwell don't really regard us as a bigger club.

What do you think his ambitions are? He’s managed a club of an equal size to Hibs for 8 years. He’s turned down the old firm. If he wants the Scotland job he probably gets it when it next comes up.

If he’s happy where he is then what does he gain by coming to Hibs or for arguments sake going to Hearts.

[The Tubs]

I don't think anyone's being arrogant about it. There are very few ambitious managers who will stay put for their families and the Hibs job should be one that a Kilmarnock manager would see as a significant step up. Sadly we're in such a mess that the likes of Killie, St Mirren or Motherwell don't really regard us as a bigger club.

I'd disagree. Without knowing anything about how McInnes decided to sign a new contract, the fact that he has spoken about his main ambition being to become Scotland manager probably means he wants to secure a route to that position. Therefore, he probably believes he can achieve his aim by staying where he is and keeping Kilmarnock above their expected level. The Hibs job, while definitely on a different level, carries with it a big risk that he'll be sacked and move further away from his aim.

As McInnes's football is conservative in nature, you'd imagine that he manages his career that way too.

[The Tubs]

What do you think his ambitions are? He’s managed a club of an equal size to Hibs for 8 years. He’s turned down the old firm. If he wants the Scotland job he probably gets it when it next comes up.

If he’s happy where he is then what does he gain by coming to Hibs or for arguments sake going to Hearts.

We seem to agree.

[ancient hibee]

What do you think his ambitions are? He’s managed a club of an equal size to Hibs for 8 years. He’s turned down the old firm. If he wants the Scotland job he probably gets it when it next comes up.

If he’s happy where he is then what does he gain by coming to Hibs or for arguments sake going to Hearts.
Especially when Killie immediately give him an extended contract in case he has itchy feet which he has been happy to sign.

[K-Zazu]

Yes and no :greengrin It’s all I can say for now.

So it’s gonna be David Gray then?

[Donegal Hibby]

This rules out Valkanis . Wonder does the young coach with fresh ideas also rule out Deila too ?


https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-manager-hunt-interest-ajax-coach-david-gray-4640685

[jeffers]

So it’s gonna be David Gray then?

It could be. No decision has been made yet though.

[Donegal Hibby]

So it’s gonna be David Gray then?

He did say it's the place to be .

[Unseen work]

This rules out Valkanis . Wonder does the young coach with fresh ideas also rule out Deila too ?


https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-manager-hunt-interest-ajax-coach-david-gray-4640685

They’re fairly selling Gray aren’t they, 100% coming from the club.

I’d be stunned if it’s not one of

David Gray
Tommy Elphick
Ian Murray

Although a young coach with fresh ideas is the last thing I want.

[K-Zazu]

This rules out Valkanis . Wonder does the young coach with fresh ideas also rule out Deila too ?


https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-manager-hunt-interest-ajax-coach-david-gray-4640685

As soon as it says ‘wins support from inside the dressing room’ I just sit back and think WTF.. they are his pals probably.

[worcesterhibby]

This rules out Valkanis . Wonder does the young coach with fresh ideas also rule out Deila too ?


https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-manager-hunt-interest-ajax-coach-david-gray-4640685

His best win % as a manager is 40% anyway.. he would be nothing other than a shot in the dark with less experience and CV than the last three failures. No thanks

[Donegal Hibby]

They’re fairly selling Gray aren’t they, 100% coming from the club.

I’d be stunned if it’s not one of

David Gray
Tommy Elphick
Ian Murray

Although a young coach with fresh ideas is the last thing I want.

It could very well be someone other than Gray , I doubt it will be Murray tbh . Could be somebody like Elphick meaning a young coach or assistant manager highly thought of .. Chris Hogg a possibility? . Though we'd probably need to pay compensation there .

[ancient hibee]

This rules out Valkanis . Wonder does the young coach with fresh ideas also rule out Deila too ?


https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-manager-hunt-interest-ajax-coach-david-gray-4640685

I could have written that and I know nothing about what’s going on.:greengrin

[Since452]

As soon as it says ‘wins support from inside the dressing room’ I just sit back and think WTF.. they are his pals probably.

We should be canvassing opinion in the dressing room and then doing the exact opposite.

[Nicho87]

Maybe it’s just seeing him

But I think since McInnes has said no in so many words

I’d be up for giving Ian Murray a chance

Gets us, knows what it means, has been good enough bar one club he’s been at.

I just don’t want another inexperienced manager. Sorry David gray.

Happy to have him as assistant though

[eastmainsmsh]

Has anyone heard if Tam Courts Is in the frame

[jeffers]

Maybe it’s just seeing him

But I think since McInnes has said no in so many words

I’d be up for giving Ian Murray a chance

Gets us, knows what it means, has been good enough bar one club he’s been at.

I just don’t want another inexperienced manager. Sorry David gray.

Happy to have him as assistant though

If he wasn’t a Hibby I’m not sure anyone would look at his record and think he’s done enough to merit being appointed our manager. He’s clearly decent. I’d hope for more than that.

[bingo70]

Has anyone heard if Tam Courts Is in the frame

He was at the Livingston game and has been seen at Easter Road a few times this season.

No way he’ll get the job but I have a sneaky feeling he might be involved in some way, either in a consultancy role to help Mackay or possibly to come in on the coaching staff for whoever we appoint.

[jeffers]

He was at the Livingston game and has been seen at Easter Road a few times this season.

No way he’ll get the job but I have a sneaky feeling he might be involved in some way, either in a consultancy role to help Mackay or possibly to come in on the coaching staff for whoever we appoint.

What are you basing that on ?

[bingo70]

What are you basing that on ?

Guesswork based on him coming to Easter Road numerous times this season for no obvious reason, his profile matching what Malky Mackay likes and the PLZ podcast he was on where he said he would be happy to come back into football as assistant manager if it was for the right head coach.

[jeffers]

Guesswork based on him coming to Easter Road numerous times this season for no obvious reason, his profile matching what Malky Mackay likes and the PLZ podcast he was on where he said he would be happy to come back into football as assistant manager if it was for the right head coach.

Ah right. Cheers. Can’t see it myself.

[Nicho87]

If he wasn’t a Hibby I’m not sure anyone would look at his record and think he’s done enough to merit being appointed our manager. He’s clearly decent. I’d hope for more than that.

Realistically who you hoping for?

I was all over McInnes

For me I’d be Robinson, O’Neil, Alex Neil, Ian Murray

[Col2]

SDG will always be a legend but I can’t get my head around appointing him as our new manager after he has managed 12 games for us or anyone else.

Monty had managed about 10 x that yet was seen as inexperienced and risky.

Please some make it make sense😡

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

If SDG gets it, I hope he has an experienced head as his assistant.

Mrs McClusky? 🤔😀

[Musselbound]

Has anyone heard if Tam Courts Is in the frame

This is the type of leftfield appointment Hibs have come up with before. He has one year of Scottish Premiership experience in which he did pretty well. So I wouldn't be that shocked if he was being considered. Or he may be up for another role as some have mentioned.

[Unseen work]

Menschenfänger: roughly translated into English as ‘people-catcher’, a figure who by the strength of their personality attracts others to a shared journey and fills them with the belief anything can be achieved.

That is the complete opposite of Tam Courts.

His record with United isn’t even great and I don’t think their fans rate him that high. Still got 4th but think that’s because half the league were brutal.

[Sioux]

Guesswork based on him coming to Easter Road numerous times this season for no obvious reason, his profile matching what Malky Mackay likes and the PLZ podcast he was on where he said he would be happy to come back into football as assistant manager if it was for the right head coach.

2+2 = 7

[Unseen work]

That daft snood Murray is wearing is enough to put me off him

[jeffers]

Realistically who you hoping for?

I was all over McInnes

For me I’d be Robinson, O’Neil, Alex Neil, Ian Murray

I wanted McInnes too. It’s been pretty quiet regarding rumours. Of the names that have been mentioned I’d be happy with SDG getting it. Whoever we appoint at our level is a gamble.

[Smartie]

That daft snood Murray is wearing is enough to put me off him

This is the sort of thing I can never get over after it’s been pointed out.

[easty]

I wanted McInnes too. It’s been pretty quiet regarding rumours. Of the names that have been mentioned I’d be happy with SDG getting it. Whoever we appoint at our level is a gamble.

:agree:

[K-Zazu]

If the players are wanting Gray to get the job it’s a massive red flag for me.

[Smartie]

If the players are wanting Gray to get the job it’s a massive red flag for me.

And would you expect the players to come out and say they don’t want Gray to get the job?

I’m not reading anything into that.

[Donegal Hibby]

If the players are wanting Gray to get the job it’s a massive red flag for me.

Don't see why it's a massive red flag mate .
Wonder do some still want the experience manager ( Murray) over Gray tonight ? 🤔

[CapitalGreen]

Don't see why it's a massive red flag mate .
Wonder do some still want the experience manager ( Murray) over Gray tonight ? 🤔

I have hardly seen anyone say they want Murray, a handful of folk on here at most.

[Donegal Hibby]

I have hardly seen anyone say they want Murray, a handful of folk on here at most.

Not having a go at anyone though the point is even though Murray is more experienced than Gray I'd still rather Gray and I was of that opinion before the game tonight . I'd have him before McCabe too . The experience manager thing is a plus but not essential imo .

[superfurryhibby]

I have hardly seen anyone say they want Murray, a handful of folk on here at most.

You should probably read more of the transfer thread. I would say there are a good number of posters saying that Murray would be a positive signing. He's not going to create a rush for season tickets, but he would strengthen the squad, no doubt about it.

[CapitalGreen]

You should probably read more of the transfer thread. I would say there are a good number of posters saying that Murray would be a positive signing. He's not going to create a rush for season tickets, but he would strengthen the squad, no doubt about it.

We are talking about Ian not Simon, this is the Next manager thread.

[Greensunshine]

I’d be very underwhelmed if Gray or Murray got it but I’d get behind them 100% as always

[TimeForHeroes32]

Really hope Gray doesn’t get it would be another backwards step and really can only see it ending in another Sauzee situation. His time might come eventually but his record when stepping in doesn’t even scream out would be a good decision

People were moaning at time Johnson/Montgomery were being appointed we needed to go with an experience manager with knowledge of Scottish game so why are the same people now saying give Gray the job.

This appointment probably our biggest decision we’ve had for picking a manager for what’s at stake. We have our biggest ever budget to spend and need someone to come in and spend it wisely plus not mind the club is in some mess we need stability so shouldn’t be risking it on a untried manager that will be getting chased out the door by October and its leading into another wasted season

[Helensburghhibs]

Menschenfänger: roughly translated into English as ‘people-catcher’, a figure who by the strength of their personality attracts others to a shared journey and fills them with the belief anything can be achieved.

That is the complete opposite of Tam Courts.

His record with United isn’t even great and I don’t think their fans rate him that high. Still got 4th but think that’s because half the league were brutal.

A bit like this season only we finished 8th not 4th

[PHeffernan]

Really hope Gray doesn’t get it would be another backwards step and really can only see it ending in another Sauzee situation. His time might come eventually but his record when stepping in doesn’t even scream out would be a good decision

People were moaning at time Johnson/Montgomery were being appointed we needed to go with an experience manager with knowledge of Scottish game so why are the same people now saying give Gray the job.

This appointment probably our biggest decision we’ve had for picking a manager for what’s at stake. We have our biggest ever budget to spend and need someone to come in and spend it wisely plus not mind the club is in some mess we need stability so shouldn’t be risking it on a untried manager that will be getting chased out the door by October and its leading into another wasted season

I think you will find we spend a similar amount to the £2 million we spent last summer.

[TimeForHeroes32]

I think you will find we spend a similar amount to the £2 million we spent last summer.

We will be spending more with Youan extra 2mil coming in so that’s 8mil extra from BK/Youan in the bank not sure if Gordon’s will add to that as well(not saying it’s all being spent this summer as I know it won’t be). But if you look at it all we need a GK, 3 CBs, 1 LB, 1 or 2 CMs, 2/3 wingers and a back up striker with wages on top of singing fees then this will be more than 2mil. If we managed to get Maolida he’ll be over 1 million alone in terms fees and wages spent but also can’t see him coming back

[Brooster]

Can't see any reason not to give it to Gray and McGregor. The players would be giving 100% each game that's for sure.

[mcohibs]

Can't see any reason not to give it to Gray and McGregor. The players would be giving 100% each game that's for sure.

To be fair there can’t be that many still in the squad that have played with Gray or McGregor. By the time we’ve cleared a lot out and brought new boys in, most won’t even know who they are or their connection to the club.

[Unseen work]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/right-hibs-manager-candidate-staring-32877955

Tam McManus now doing his bit for SDG.

It would be interesting to know if the players want him because they like him, or if they think he is actually the right man for the job. Is he just pals with alot of them? Does he has the ruthless side to say to half the squad they’re not good enough and are leaving. Does he have the knowledge to implement a game plan, work on it through the week and carry out said game plan on a Saturday? When players drop or were losing 2-0 at Home, is he the man to give the hairdryer treatment or pick them back up - one thing under Montgomery is I never thought we’d get back into a game we went behind.

[Dmas]

Can't see any reason not to give it to Gray and McGregor. The players would be giving 100% each game that's for sure.

They didn’t give 100% for 2 games he just had look at the difference in performance. If it’s SDG getting the job he needs an experienced assistant with him maybe even another in as first team coach as well, leave Daz where he is see what he can do with whatever MM changes with the academy structure

[JimBHibees]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/right-hibs-manager-candidate-staring-32877955

Tam McManus now doing his bit for SDG.

It would be interesting to know if the players want him because they like him, or if they think he is actually the right man for the job. Is he just pals with alot of them? Does he has the ruthless side to say to half the squad they’re not good enough and are leaving. Does he have the knowledge to implement a game plan, work on it through the week and carry out said game plan on a Saturday? When players drop or were losing 2-0 at Home, is he the man to give the hairdryer treatment or pick them back up - one thing under Montgomery is I never thought we’d get back into a game we went behind.

They also liked Ross didn’t stop them getting him punted. Think some of the player unrest came from that decision.

[JimBHibees]

They didn’t give 100% for 2 games he just had look at the difference in performance. If it’s SDG getting the job he needs an experienced assistant with him maybe even another in as first team coach as well, leave Daz where he is see what he can do with whatever MM changes with the academy structure

The bigger difference was between the Dons game and the Motherwell one in saying that clearly a more solid team picked in Motherwell game

[GloryGlory]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/right-hibs-manager-candidate-staring-32877955

Tam McManus now doing his bit for SDG.

It would be interesting to know if the players want him because they like him, or if they think he is actually the right man for the job. Is he just pals with alot of them? Does he has the ruthless side to say to half the squad they’re not good enough and are leaving. Does he have the knowledge to implement a game plan, work on it through the week and carry out said game plan on a Saturday? When players drop or were losing 2-0 at Home, is he the man to give the hairdryer treatment or pick them back up - one thing under Montgomery is I never thought we’d get back into a game we went behind.

Tam McManus is a slaver, and a paid slaver at that.

Re the players wanting Gray to get the job - the worry is far too many are well into their comfort zones and maybe feel that Gray is the least likely to push them out of it and demand better performances?

[Springbank]

Can't see any reason not to give it to Gray and McGregor. The players would be giving 100% each game that's for sure.

I would have a couple of reasons

1. We have a huge clear-out needed, and they have been inside the tent - it's much easier for an external appointee to do what is necessary for us in 2024

2. We have a significant budget (we are led to believe £6m) and you want to give that to someone who has been over course & distance - go pay for a Derek McInnes etc if you want that well spent

[bingo70]

I would have a couple of reasons

1. We have a huge clear-out needed, and they have been inside the tent - it's much easier for an external appointee to do what is necessary for us in 2024

2. We have a significant budget (we are led to believe £6m) and you want to give that to someone who has been over course & distance - go pay for a Derek McInnes etc if you want that well spent

I agree for the most part although no offence but the McInnes chat is a bit tiresome, he didn’t want to come or we didn’t approach him, we don’t know but either way, he isn’t coming and as a collective, we all need to get over it.

I’ve been having tantrums the last few days about Gray potentially getting the job, for me, there’s stacks of reasons not to give him the job and I can’t think of any good ones other than he’s here already and the players like him so we might as well give him a go.

If it’s going to be him, then I just need to get over it, hope for the best and stop being so miserable about it.

Whoever it is, I hope they’re appointed soon.

[Brooster]

They didn’t give 100% for 2 games he just had look at the difference in performance. If it’s SDG getting the job he needs an experienced assistant with him maybe even another in as first team coach as well, leave Daz where he is see what he can do with whatever MM changes with the academy structure

You don't think they were trying 100% in the Motherwell game? I beg to differ.

[Waxy]

If DG became the next manager to win the Scottish cup?

[Dmas]

You don't think they were trying 100% in the Motherwell game? I beg to differ.

I think they where trying in the Motherwell game then reverted back to norm vs Livingston so your quote of them giving 100% all the time under gray is wrong already, some of the playing staff are part of the problem, they like SDG doesn’t mean anything they also liked JR and sold him down the river as well

[AlbertK86]

The bigger difference was between the Dons game and the Motherwell one in saying that clearly a more solid team picked in Motherwell game

Was it not only one change Obita for Stevenson


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[Alex Trager]

I agree for the most part although no offence but the McInnes chat is a bit tiresome, he didn’t want to come or we didn’t approach him, we don’t know but either way, he isn’t coming and as a collective, we all need to get over it.

I’ve been having tantrums the last few days about Gray potentially getting the job, for me, there’s stacks of reasons not to give him the job and I can’t think of any good ones other than he’s here already and the players like him so we might as well give him a go.

If it’s going to be him, then I just need to get over it, hope for the best and stop being so miserable about it.

Whoever it is, I hope they’re appointed soon.

So you’re saying with DM, there is a chance?!

Dumb and dumber fans will know

[Alex Trager]

If DG became the next manager to win the Scottish cup?

Reckon that’ll be Rodgers mate.

[J-C]

Really hope Gray doesn’t get it would be another backwards step and really can only see it ending in another Sauzee situation. His time might come eventually but his record when stepping in doesn’t even scream out would be a good decision

People were moaning at time Johnson/Montgomery were being appointed we needed to go with an experience manager with knowledge of Scottish game so why are the same people now saying give Gray the job.

This appointment probably our biggest decision we’ve had for picking a manager for what’s at stake. We have our biggest ever budget to spend and need someone to come in and spend it wisely plus not mind the club is in some mess we need stability so shouldn’t be risking it on a untried manager that will be getting chased out the door by October and its leading into another wasted season

Sauzee went straight into management and made and made an arse of it, funnily enough, he's never went back into it since, it was a sentimental appointment. Gray has been a coach for 3 years learning his trade, he feels ready to take that next step, just when will he be ready?

[Brooster]

[QUOTE=Dmas;7669235]I think they where trying in the Motherwell game then reverted back to norm vs Livingston so your quote of them giving 100% all the time under gray is wrong already, some of the playing staff are part of the problem, they like SDG doesn’t mean anything they also liked JR and sold him down the river as well[/QUO

Yes they were poor against Livi but I don't think it was a lack of effort. There'd be no slackers if Gray and McGregor are to be the permanent gaffers, that's what I'm saying.

[J-C]

[QUOTE=Dmas;7669235]I think they where trying in the Motherwell game then reverted back to norm vs Livingston so your quote of them giving 100% all the time under gray is wrong already, some of the playing staff are part of the problem, they like SDG doesn’t mean anything they also liked JR and sold him down the river as well[/QUO

Yes they were poor against Livi but I don't think it was a lack of effort. There'd be no slackers if Gray and McGregor are to be the permanent gaffers, that's what I'm saying.

I think what the 2 games show us is the inconsistency of a lot of these players, effort was there but just not good enough too often. Hopefully with better quality that'll be less, you've seen what Maolida can do with extra quality.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

[QUOTE=Dmas;7669235]I think they where trying in the Motherwell game then reverted back to norm vs Livingston so your quote of them giving 100% all the time under gray is wrong already, some of the playing staff are part of the problem, they like SDG doesn’t mean anything they also liked JR and sold him down the river as well[/QUO

Yes they were poor against Livi but I don't think it was a lack of effort. There'd be no slackers if Gray and McGregor are to be the permanent gaffers, that's what I'm saying.

You wouldn’t argue with Big Daz that’s for sure. If I came home and found him in bed with the missus I’d tuck him in.

[truehibernian]

[QUOTE=Brooster;7669307]

You wouldn’t argue with Big Daz that’s for sure. If I came home and found him in bed with the missus I’d tuck him in.

😂😂👍 just spat my coffee over my screen PH 😂

[Dmas]

[QUOTE=Brooster;7669307]

You wouldn’t argue with Big Daz that’s for sure. If I came home and found him in bed with the missus I’d tuck him in.

😂😂

[ChuckNor]

I would have a couple of reasons

1. We have a huge clear-out needed, and they have been inside the tent - it's much easier for an external appointee to do what is necessary for us in 2024

2. We have a significant budget (we are led to believe £6m) and you want to give that to someone who has been over course & distance - go pay for a Derek McInnes etc if you want that well spent

Wrong on both points. 1) Gray knows what we need to change. He’s already shown he’s ruthless (dropped Marcondes. He didn’t like it). 2) Gray won’t be spending the budget. That’s Malky.

[Dmas]

Wrong on both points. 1) Gray knows what we need to change. He’s already shown he’s ruthless (dropped Marcondes. He didn’t like it). 2) Gray won’t be spending the budget. That’s Malky.

Still gave Jair game time, dropped NMW and not his pal Newell

Marcondes decision was bang on he should have been sent away after Ross county

[JimBHibees]

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Campbell Lewis and Triantis came in for Well game

[bingo70]

Jaap Stam come from nowhere in the betting down to 7/1?!

[K-Zazu]

Any ITK guys expecting an announcement any time soon?

[JohnM1875]

Jaap Stam come from nowhere in the betting down to 7/1?!

Now that is interesting! Huge name but doesn’t have a great managerial record though, does he? Haven’t actually checked.

If we’re getting an ex Man Utd player I want the Keane rumour to start up again!

[SaulGoodman]

Jaap Stam come from nowhere in the betting down to 7/1?!

Please no

[bingo70]

Now that is interesting! Huge name but doesn’t have a great managerial record though, does he? Haven’t actually checked.

If we’re getting an ex Man Utd player I want the Keane rumour to start up again!

Think he did a good job somewhere once, Reading maybe? Been ***** ever since though from what I can see.

[Paul1642]

Now that is interesting! Huge name but doesn’t have a great managerial record though, does he? Haven’t actually checked.

If we’re getting an ex Man Utd player I want the Keane rumour to start up again!

Please don’t remind people of Keane 😵

[JimBHibees]

Jaap Stam come from nowhere in the betting down to 7/1?!

Probably someone bet 2.50 each way? Maybe he was on Rooneys helicopter 😄

[Greenworld]

The former Roma sporting director has been tempted to the Cherries, but his role will not just be limited to the Premier League side.

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Bournemouth’s owners also have stakes in Auckland FC, Lorient and Scottish Premiership side Hibernian.

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And, according to Spanish outlet*Relevo, Pinto will have involvement in Hibernian’s decisions as a result.



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[Caversham Green]

Think he did a good job somewhere once, Reading maybe? Been ***** ever since though from what I can see.

He got them to the play off final, but the football was the dullest I've ever seen. The final itself was 120+ minutes of nothing happening followed by a penalty shoot out that Huddersfield managed to win.

[TheGog]

Betting is suspended on McBookie for next manager.

Weird they’ve done it in the middle of the day.

[bingo70]

Betting is suspended on McBookie for next manager.

Weird they’ve done it in the middle of the day.

Early finish on a Friday probably

[AlbertK86]

Campbell Lewis and Triantis came in for Well game

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[gbhibby]

He got them to the play off final, but the football was the dullest I've ever seen. The final itself was 120+ minutes of nothing happening followed by a penalty shoot out that Huddersfield managed to win.
A bit like the current Killie manager then.

[Tambo]

Former Bayern Munich star Thorsten Fink is interested taking over at Scottish Premiership outfit Hibernian after the departure of Nick Montgomery.

HITC understands that, with the Edinburgh outfit on the lookout for a new boss, a man who won four Bundesliga titles and the Champions League title in 2001 during his playing career has emerged as someone on Hibs’ radar.

[Iain G]

Former Bayern Munich star Thorsten Fink is interested taking over at Scottish Premiership outfit Hibernian after the departure of Nick Montgomery.

HITC understands that, with the Edinburgh outfit on the lookout for a new boss, a man who won four Bundesliga titles and the Champions League title in 2001 during his playing career has emerged as someone on Hibs’ radar.

Seems to have been sacked a verymanynumberoftimes!

Also was accused of racist remarks at Basel, maybe he is a texting mate of Malky 😁

[gbhibby]

Former Bayern Munich star Thorsten Fink is interested taking over at Scottish Premiership outfit Hibernian after the departure of Nick Montgomery.

HITC understands that, with the Edinburgh outfit on the lookout for a new boss, a man who won four Bundesliga titles and the Champions League title in 2001 during his playing career has emerged as someone on Hibs’ radar.
Don't Fink that would be a good appointment.

[JohnM1875]

Former Bayern Munich star Thorsten Fink is interested taking over at Scottish Premiership outfit Hibernian after the departure of Nick Montgomery.

HITC understands that, with the Edinburgh outfit on the lookout for a new boss, a man who won four Bundesliga titles and the Champions League title in 2001 during his playing career has emerged as someone on Hibs’ radar.

Now that is out of nowhere. Managed Iniesta at Vissel Kobe. But he's still manager of Sint-Truidense is he not? So compo would be needed.

Think it's a made up story for clicks.

[Lago]

I wonder if rather than Gray as coach with an experienced assistant the club might be looking at an experienced coach with Gray as his assistant wit lh a view to being promoted to the top job in due course.

[Unseen work]

I’d be stunned if the story about Fink isn’t rubbished by the EEN by the end of the night

[Wheat Hound]

Not another 'fink' debate; thought that would've gone with Monty...

[gbhibby]

Xavi available.

[Hibees1973]

Might have been mentioned before.

With him being a relatively young bloke, I take it Gray has the necessary Euro/SFA coaching qualifications.

Obviously we don't have European Football next season, but I assume he has all these?

[JohnM1875]

Might have been mentioned before.

With him being a relatively young bloke, I take it Gray has the necessary Euro/SFA coaching qualifications.

Obviously we don't have European Football next season, but I assume he has all these?

Don’t think so. He has a UEFA B license but apparently doing his UEFA A license now. One below the Pro License.

[Hibbyradge]

I'm warming to the idea of Billy McKinlay.

[J-C]

Looked at Fink's coaching stats, couple of decent ones but the others, erm no ta,

[Hibs90]

Former Bayern Munich star Thorsten Fink is interested taking over at Scottish Premiership outfit Hibernian after the departure of Nick Montgomery.

HITC understands that, with the Edinburgh outfit on the lookout for a new boss, a man who won four Bundesliga titles and the Champions League title in 2001 during his playing career has emerged as someone on Hibs’ radar.

His record is pretty terrible. If true he's just looking for a payday. Avoid.

[babahibs]

I'm warming to the idea of Billy McKinlay.

Yup, he should be on the shortlist :wink:

[04Sauzee]

Yup, he should be on the shortlist :wink:

I know he's been coaching for a while and been an assistant but what is it that's impressive? I don't know much about his coaching career.

[Donegal Hibby]

Before the " we are not paying Compensation " bit came out , i had been looking at managers that were doing well in their leagues and had a few picked out ... Sk Brann , Holstein Kiel and probably the most far fetched one , St Pauli manager.

[bingo70]

Yup, he should be on the shortlist :wink:

Is there a joke I’m not getting or are you suggesting he’s on a shortlist?

I made up that rumour so if it ends up being true I’ll be demanding a finders fee

[CropleyWasGod]

Is there a joke I’m not getting or are you suggesting he’s on a shortlist?

I made up that rumour so if it ends up being true I’ll be demanding a finders fee

He's 5'8":greengrin

Disclaimer:- This is not intended to be offensive towards anyone who has height issues. Or who is 5'8".

[Pedantic_Hibee]

He's 5'8":greengrin

Disclaimer:- This is not intended to be offensive towards anyone who has height issues. Or who is 5'8".

I’m six one, two twenty five of pure chocolate.

Actually, I’m not. Dr Dre said that.

I’m six four, wee bit podgy in places and, unless I have 9 minutes on the electric beach, I’m positively see through.

[MWHIBBIES]

Looked at Fink's coaching stats, couple of decent ones but the others, erm no ta,

:faf:

[ian cruise]

To be fair there can’t be that many still in the squad that have played with Gray or McGregor. By the time we’ve cleared a lot out and brought new boys in, most won’t even know who they are or their connection to the club.

I don't think it's about players knowing them already (e.g. Played with or for them) and more about the fact they get the club and should have the ability to instill that love and belief in the players. Any potential signings might not know who David Gray is, but start the discussions about signing with a quick video package of his best moments, obviously including the Cup final and let them know "This is who you'll be working with and playing for. Look what he means to the club. Look what the club means to him".

[TimeForHeroes32]

Sauzee went straight into management and made and made an arse of it, funnily enough, he's never went back into it since, it was a sentimental appointment. Gray has been a coach for 3 years learning his trade, he feels ready to take that next step, just when will he be ready?

That’s fair but feels like this is sentimental as well. How big this appointment is we shouldn’t be risking an untried manager.

Also on this coaching side at what manager failing that Gray is in the coaching team for does the club realise he might be apart of the problem(not saying he is) but this is aimed at the sentimental part feels like we are only keeping him for that reason, say we didn’t win the cup that day he wouldn’t had survived Jack Ross so really why has he survived 4 managers being sacked

[J-C]

That’s fair but feels like this is sentimental as well. How big this appointment is we shouldn’t be risking an untried manager.

Also on this coaching side at what manager failing that Gray is in the coaching team for does the club realise he might be apart of the problem(not saying he is) but this is aimed at the sentimental part feels like we are only keeping him for that reason, say we didn’t win the cup that day he wouldn’t had survived Jack Ross so really why has he survived 4 managers being sacked

Every head coach is untried until he gets his 1st gig.

[bingo70]

I’ve spent far too long reading about Thorsten Fink this morning considering there’s no chance he’ll get the job.

In summary though, I think he’s actually a better manager than I thought he was, he’s had some really good success in his managerial career and would probably actually be a good appointment if we could get him. I thought he was just a journeyman manager that kept getting jobs because he was a good player but that doesn’t appear to be the case.

Anyway, he won’t get the job so I wasted my time reading about him this morning and you’ve just wasted yours reading my thoughts on a manager who won’t get the job. More fool you if you want to waste any more of your time replying to this post.

[blackpoolhibs]

I’ve spent far too long reading about Thorsten Fink this morning considering there’s no chance he’ll get the job.

In summary though, I think he’s actually a better manager than I thought he was, he’s had some really good success in his managerial career and would probably actually be a good appointment if we could get him. I thought he was just a journeyman manager that kept getting jobs because he was a good player but that doesn’t appear to be the case.

Anyway, he won’t get the job so I wasted my time reading about him this morning and you’ve just wasted yours reading my thoughts on a manager who won’t get the job. More fool you if you want to waste any more of your time replying to this post.
:faf::aok:

[GreenGray]

Are people really after an overseas manager who has no experience of Scottish football?

I just think it would be a huge mistake, again.


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[Iain G]

Are people really after an overseas manager who has no experience of Scottish football?

I just think it would be a huge mistake, again.


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Well I wouldn't say no to Klopp or De Zerbi if they wanted to join 😁

[bingo70]

Are people really after an overseas manager who has no experience of Scottish football?

I just think it would be a huge mistake, again.


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I think there’s no exact science to appointing a manager and no sure fire way of guaranteeing success. Plenty ***** managers out there who know Scottish football inside out.

A foreign manager who I know nothing about is quite an exciting prospect as they might end up being brilliant. The risks may be higher but so is the excitement level for me.

If I was in charge of the appointment i would probably go for a safer bet and more boring option this time, I’m not though so if we go for the Johnny Foreigner option I’ll always be a bit excited about what they could end up being like.

[Since452]

Are people really after an overseas manager who has no experience of Scottish football?

I just think it would be a huge mistake, again.


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Surely we won't make the same mistake again? In saying that, we have a decent track record of fixing problems by making them worse.

[GreenGray]

I think there’s no exact science to appointing a manager and no sure fire way of guaranteeing success. Plenty ***** managers out there who know Scottish football inside out.

A foreign manager who I know nothing about is quite an exciting prospect as they might end up being brilliant. The risks may be higher but so is the excitement level for me.

If I was in charge of the appointment i would probably go for a safer bet and more boring option this time, I’m not though so if we go for the Johnny Foreigner option I’ll always be a bit excited about what they could end up being like.

Yeah I get that.

I definitely used to be one of those fans who turned their nose up at the idea of a McInnes (like I have seen some people still do on Twitter), but I have changed my mind now.

I could be wrong, and just because the board have ****ed up the last few appointments doesn’t mean that it’s necessarily the wrong way to do it.

But I just look at the teams who do well out with the old firm and it is typically just a safe pair of hands who understand how the game works up here.


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[matty_f]

Are people really after an overseas manager who has no experience of Scottish football?

I just think it would be a huge mistake, again.


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I think what we're seeing is that no matter what approach we take, there will be plenty of people who think it's the wrong one.

[One Day Soon]

That’s fair but feels like this is sentimental as well. How big this appointment is we shouldn’t be risking an untried manager.

Also on this coaching side at what manager failing that Gray is in the coaching team for does the club realise he might be apart of the problem(not saying he is) but this is aimed at the sentimental part feels like we are only keeping him for that reason, say we didn’t win the cup that day he wouldn’t had survived Jack Ross so really why has he survived 4 managers being sacked

Umm, what?

[ruthven_raiders]

Surely we won't make the same mistake again? In saying that, we have a decent track record of fixing problems by making them worse.

Would Ronny Deila be a mistake with SDG as his assistant, he has experience in Scotland and working in a multi club format, won titles in different countries.....

[Box 17]

Maybe we're waiting until after the Euros to see what Steve Clarke's intentions are?

[Since452]

Would Ronny Deila be a mistake with SDG as his assistant, he has experience in Scotland and working in a multi club format, won titles in different countries.....

Now McInnes and Robinson are out the running, Deila is probably my preference. Nobody mentioned/left so far really excites me though.

[Greenworld]

President Tiago will sort it out for us

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[ruthven_raiders]

Now McInnes and Robinson are out the running, Deila is probably my preference. Nobody mentioned/left so far really excites me though.

Whoever gets the job, I will be fully behind them and look forward to who arrives player wise..... football is a funny game and who knows how next season will pan out.... hopefully top 6, good cup runs and team looking like like it is improving all the time....

[PatHead]

Thank goodness Wayne Rooney is about to be appointed Plymouth manager.

[Unseen work]

I think what we're seeing is that no matter what approach we take, there will be plenty of people who think it's the wrong one.

I think that’s it Matty.

Fans, imo, are nervous, exhausted and bored of all the managerial changes and promises over the last couple of years.

Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery all came in and said about certain styles etc but fell short.

Whether someone is experienced in Scotland, a new coach etc we’ll always look for the negatives due to our recent experience.

Have the managerial appointments been the wrong choices? Or is it the recruitment and players they’ve been given? Look at Maloney as the prime example. Trying to pick a forward line of Scott, mueller, Melkersen, Henderson and Jasper.

I think though, that as ever in Scotland football it will come down to our recruitment. If we fail to sign a decent centre half again for example then we’re in trouble.

Sign better players with a semi decent manager and we’ll most likely be fine. I don’t think Scottish football is particularly tactical, just run harder than the others and play with an intensity, if you do that and have better players you’ll win.

Recruitment is absolutely key for the next manager.

[Donegal Hibby]

Now McInnes and Robinson are out the running, Deila is probably my preference. Nobody mentioned/left so far really excites me though.

Funny I was the opposite in I found the Mcinnes and Robinson not exciting at all .

I didn't see Robinson as a particularly good choice and Mcinnes even though has a good record the way his teams play I find hard to watch .

Lennon was the most boring of all though as he kept getting mentioned on threads even though we were never going to take him back after the last time .

Whoever gets our job be it Gray , Deila or somebody who's a complete surprise to us , we should all get behind him . With a new manager , MM , new players coming in hopefully there's exciting times ahead for the Hibees 🇳🇬

[Hibiza]

No problem with David being appointed , reservation would be his potential reluctance to move on some of the players .

[Silky]

No problem with David being appointed , reservation would be his potential reluctance to move on some of the players .

I don't know if he'd have much say in that. We've said we're appointing a "Head Coach" who will, primarily, prepare and coach the players. If the DoF and Sporting director are heading up recruitment then they will have the say on who comes in, as well as who leaves.

[Donegal Hibby]

No problem with David being appointed , reservation would be his potential reluctance to move on some of the players .

I don't think he would have a reluctance to move on players. He'll know if he gets the job what happened to past managers and won't be wanting to fail like the rest in his first Managerial role .

We've already seen him drop Marcondes when he took over . I really don't think he'll be soft when coming to making tough decisions.

[Dmas]

I don't know if he'd have much say in that. We've said we're appointing a "Head Coach" who will, primarily, prepare and coach the players. If the DoF and Sporting director are heading up recruitment then they will have the say on who comes in, as well as who leaves.

Not the first poster to say this but monty was hired as Head Coach and you wouldn’t say he didn’t sign players, I think as has been usual whoever is appointed will have a say in the players who come in whatever there title is

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/11/Montgomery-Named-As-Hibs-Head-Coach/

[Unseen work]

I don't know if he'd have much say in that. We've said we're appointing a "Head Coach" who will, primarily, prepare and coach the players. If the DoF and Sporting director are heading up recruitment then they will have the say on who comes in, as well as who leaves.

The head coach will decide on transfers.

The recruitment team and sporting director are just there to assist so that he can do as much with the team as possible,

Gray for example will say “I want a 24-28 year old centre half that’s right footed and dominant in the air”. They will then research players across the world to identify ones available that fit the criteria.

They then hand a list of say 5 on to gray for him to consider, they then discuss about affordability etc and make a signing.

The recruitment team and SD don’t just identify a random, sign him and then give him to the head coach and say there’s another player

[JohnM1875]

Mark Jackson? CCM manager, won the regular season, AFC Cup (Asian Europa League?) and is looking likely to win the Grand Final...

[CockneyRebel]

Thank goodness Wayne Rooney is about to be appointed Plymouth manager.



How the hell does he keep getting a managerial gig? He has a high profile name sure enough - he's a high profile fanny.

[big gogs]

No problem with David being appointed , reservation would be his potential reluctance to move on some of the players .
If David gray was appointed manager,he would need to move on players,he must stamp his authority,by doing so makes his intentions clear to all.no old boys network.over to you David.

[flash]

If David gray was appointed manager,he would need to move on players,he must stamp his authority,by doing so makes his intentions clear to all.no old boys network.over to you David.

Find it difficult to believe that SDG would be reluctant to get rid of players who have seen off the last few managers.

He surely knows if he doesn't they will be the death of his tenure too.

[Smartie]

Find it difficult to believe that SDG would be reluctant to get rid of players who have seen off the last few managers.

He surely knows if he doesn't they will be the death of his tenure too.

Absolutely - I find this suggested problem absolutely mental.

Is he seriously going to sink the rest of his career because of personal loyalty?

He’s as likely to be too rash and ruthless. He’ll want to make his mark early and I suspect the last few seasons of nonsense will have pissed him off. He’ll be wanting to make his mark.

Most likely, he’ll competently do what he thinks is most likely to bring success. Whether or not he already has the required experience or skill set is for someone else to decide.

[bingo70]

Absolutely - I find this suggested problem absolutely mental.

Is he seriously going to sink the rest of his career because of personal loyalty?

He’s as likely to be too rash and ruthless. He’ll want to make his mark early and I suspect the last few seasons of nonsense will have pissed him off. He’ll be wanting to make his mark.

Most likely, he’ll competently do what he thinks is most likely to bring success.

I think there’s a real danger of it to be honest. He will back himself to get the most out of players and think he can do better at it than the last couple of managers.

The likes of Campbell, JDH, Rocky and probably Newell to a lesser extent can’t be relied on, if the next manager, whoever it is, thinks we can, they won’t last long.

[JohnM1875]

I think there’s a real danger of it to be honest. He will back himself to get the most out of players and think he can do better at it than the last couple of managers.

The likes of Campbell, JDH, Rocky and probably Newell to a lesser extent can’t be relied on, if the next manager, whoever it is, thinks we can, they won’t last long.

That is my slight concern if its Gray as well. Particularly Campbell. Don't think he'll see Rocky and JDH as any more than squad players, but think he'll start Campbell. Again, I think he's a good squad player, but we need to be having better in our starting XI.

[Unseen work]

I’m more than happy to keep Campbell and think he’s a good option to have, would probably excel in a killie, st Mirren etc team.

I also think keeping Newell is a no brainer.

Where my issue lies, is with the players that offer nothing to us and likely never will

Max Boruc
JoJo Wollacott
Kyle McLellend
Riley Harbottle
Noah Kenneh
Harry McKirdy
Ewan Henderson
Jake Doyle Hayes
Dan Mackay
Jair Tavares

Move them on, along with guys out of contract/loan expiring like

Stevenson
Hanlon
Fish
ALF
Myziane
Marcondes
Robbie Hamilton
Triantis
Mayenda

Then we free up a ridiculous amount of wages and can improve the squad considerably. When we’ve done that then I don’t mind the thought of improving of guys like Rocky etc, but at the moment he’s our only centre back.

[Mcbizz1998]

I’m more than happy to keep Campbell and think he’s a good option to have, would probably excel in a killie, st Mirren etc team.

I also think keeping Newell is a no brainer.

Where my issue lies, is with the players that offer nothing to us and likely never will

Max Boruc
JoJo Wollacott
Kyle McLellend
Riley Harbottle
Noah Kenneh
Harry McKirdy
Ewan Henderson
Jake Doyle Hayes
Dan Mackay
Jair Tavares

Move them on, along with guys out of contract/loan expiring like

Stevenson
Hanlon
Fish
ALF
Myziane
Marcondes
Robbie Hamilton
Triantis
Mayenda

Then we free up a ridiculous amount of wages and can improve the squad considerably. When we’ve done that then I don’t mind the thought of improving of guys like Rocky etc, but at the moment he’s our only centre back.

I forgot all about Boruc. Where did he go? He offered more in the time I saw him than that that Jojo guy!

[Hibees1973]

Now McInnes and Robinson are out the running, Deila is probably my preference. Nobody mentioned/left so far really excites me though.

100% agree with this.

The last three appointments had no logic. Surely MacKay and the other flumps won't go left field again.

[ericd7]

I forgot all about Boruc. Where did he go? He offered more in the time I saw him than that that Jojo guy!

He's been out on loan at Arbroath since January, played 14 times for them.

[erin go bragh]

Ole Gunnar Solskjær with Gray as his assistant.

[Col2]

100% agree with this.

The last three appointments had no logic. Surely MacKay and the other flumps won't go left field again.

I would put money on them going left field again or SDG (inexperienced)

[Donegal Hibby]

They'll go for who they think is the best candidate for the job .

[Hibees1973]

They'll go for who they think is the best candidate for the job .

So are they having a change of strategy then.

[c31]

Steve Bruce? He’s looking for a new challenge according to a interview I just listened to..

[supermcginn]

Steve Bruce? He’s looking for a new challenge according to a interview I just listened to..

We'd be better with Fiona Bruce!

[Donegal Hibby]

So are they having a change of strategy then.

The strategy has already changed with the appointment of MM imo .

[Hibees1973]

The strategy has already changed with the appointment of MM imo .

Fair comment.

Gives me the fear to think the other dynamic duo are involved again.

[J-C]

Ole Gunnar Solskjær with Gray as his assistant.

Something you've heard or just your preference.

[whiskyhibby]

Something you've heard or just your preference.

Id be delighted with that 😀

[Iain G]

Funny I was the opposite in I found the Mcinnes and Robinson not exciting at all .

I didn't see Robinson as a particularly good choice and Mcinnes even though has a good record the way his teams play I find hard to watch .

Lennon was the most boring of all though as he kept getting mentioned on threads even though we were never going to take him back after the last time .

Whoever gets our job be it Gray , Deila or somebody who's a complete surprise to us , we should all get behind him . With a new manager , MM , new players coming in hopefully there's exciting times ahead for the Hibees 🇳🇬

I hope it's Delia, let's be having you!

[hibbydog]

Changing Hibs managers. It’s like getting a new shirt when you’ve shat your breeks

[flash]

Changing Hibs managers. It’s like getting a new shirt when you’ve shat your breeks

A weirdly specific, and presumably personal, analogy.

[erin go bragh]

Something you've heard or just your preference.

Sorry, just my preference

[Pedantic_Hibee]

A weirdly specific, and presumably personal, analogy.

We’ve all been there.

[scm70nyd1973]

I hope it's Delia, let's be having you!

Yup - on the park at HT pished and with the mic - it would be braw 🤭

[scm70nyd1973]

A weirdly specific, and presumably personal, analogy.

It is but I like it 🤭

[Smartie]

I think there’s a real danger of it to be honest. He will back himself to get the most out of players and think he can do better at it than the last couple of managers.

The likes of Campbell, JDH, Rocky and probably Newell to a lesser extent can’t be relied on, if the next manager, whoever it is, thinks we can, they won’t last long.

The problem is - much as we’d like to get rid of absolutely everyone, whoever comes in (David Gray or Juergen Klopp), they’re going to have to get a tune out of some of the players we already have, at least for a while.

Stubbs had Scott Robertson, Danny Handling and Liam Craig playing a fair bit in his midfield during his first season before they moved on to be replaced by better - and beside Scott Allan they did fine, much better than when Butcher had the ball lumped over their heads anyway.

Rather than it being loyalty - Gray might have the best idea of what can and cannot be wrung out of our current players whilst the great rebuild takes shape.

[Greenworld]

The problem is - much as we’d like to get rid of absolutely everyone, whoever comes in (David Gray or Juergen Klopp), they’re going to have to get a tune out of some of the players we already have, at least for a while.

Stubbs had Scott Robertson, Danny Handling and Liam Craig playing a fair bit in his midfield during his first season before they moved on to be replaced by better - and beside Scott Allan they did fine, much better than when Butcher had the ball lumped over their heads anyway.

Rather than it being loyalty - Gray might have the best idea of what can and cannot be wrung out of our current players whilst the great rebuild takes shape.If it's David Gray I'm done with Hibs seriously I think we are moving to a different time where president tiago and MM are going to appointment someone outwith our thought process. At least that's hope

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[CockneyRebel]

We'd be better with Fiona Bruce!

Even Robert the Bruce couldn't get this lot motivated!

[Unseen work]

If it's David Gray I'm done with Hibs seriously I think we are moving to a different time where president tiago and MM are going to appointment someone outwith our thought process. At least that's hope

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Interestingly in an article I read recently about Tiago he said he’s not the type to go in somewhere disrupt everything and sack/appoint his new people from outwith and sometimes likes looking from within to see what is there as they know the club etc

[Dmas]

Interestingly in an article I read recently about Tiago he said he’s not the type to go in somewhere disrupt everything and sack/appoint his new people from outwith and sometimes likes looking from within to see what is there as they know the club etc

This guy Tiago Pinto isn't going to have a single thing to do with the managerial appointment or much hibs related at all imo

[snedzuk]

The problem is - much as we’d like to get rid of absolutely everyone, whoever comes in (David Gray or Juergen Klopp), they’re going to have to get a tune out of some of the players we already have, at least for a while.

Stubbs had Scott Robertson, Danny Handling and Liam Craig playing a fair bit in his midfield during his first season before they moved on to be replaced by better - and beside Scott Allan they did fine, much better than when Butcher had the ball lumped over their heads anyway.

Rather than it being loyalty - Gray might have the best idea of what can and cannot be wrung out of our current players whilst the great rebuild takes shape.

Gray, Cummings, Robertson, Craig. Hibernian 4 Rangers 0

[JimBHibees]

If it's David Gray I'm done with Hibs seriously I think we are moving to a different time where president tiago and MM are going to appointment someone outwith our thought process. At least that's hope

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Genuinely 😄

[J-C]

Interestingly in an article I read recently about Tiago he said he’s not the type to go in somewhere disrupt everything and sack/appoint his new people from outwith and sometimes likes looking from within to see what is there as they know the club etc

He has zero authority at Hibs, 25% doesn't give them the right to dictate anything, we'll use their expertise and scouting network to our and their advantage.

[J-C]

Genuinely 😄

I think he's on his periods.

[Unseen work]

He has zero authority at Hibs, 25% doesn't give them the right to dictate anything, we'll use their expertise and scouting network to our and their advantage.

I know that, I was replying to a post indicating that if he was involved he’d look for someone different, where was what I read said the opposite and that he wouldn’t necessarily and would potentially look in house for any appointment he makes at clubs.

[Scotty Leither]

I hope it's Delia, let's be having you!

As long as he’s told not to mention Celtic in any interview he gives about HIBS.

[Auckland Hibs]

As long as he’s told not to mention Celtic in any interview he gives about HIBS.

Agree 100%

Prematch interview, first game of the season, question number one...

So Delia, how do you think Celtic will get on this season?

[SHODAN]

Just had a dream that in the new manager's first game we were 3-0 against Dundee United and ended up drawing 3-3. Hope that helps.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Just had a dream that in the new manager's first game we were 3-0 against Dundee United and ended up drawing 3-3. Hope that helps.

3-3 is the new 2-2

[McGruber]

Just had a dream that in the new manager's first game we were 3-0 against Dundee United and ended up drawing 3-3. Hope that helps.

Were we 3 up or 3 down? Same end result but if we were 3 up he has to go though if we were 3 down he can get his own song about being behind the wheel

[Carheenlea]

Longer it goes on the less likely it seems that David Gray will be given the job.

If he was the man they wanted then it would have been signed and sealed by now.

[bingo70]

Longer it goes on the less likely it seems that David Gray will be given the job.

If he was the man they wanted then it would have been signed and sealed by now.

I’ve been convinced people have been confusing him getting an interview with him getting the job. He might still get it but I think folk were jumping the gun in assuming it was a done deal.

In the absence of other candidates the media have just been writing loads about the benefits of Gray getting it to fill columns at a time of year there’s not a lot else to speak about.

[Nicho87]

Just had a dream that in the new manager's first game we were 3-0 against Dundee United and ended up drawing 3-3. Hope that helps.

Sounds like an early Mowbray game

4-1 at home to Dundee then drawing 4-4

Brilliant football described as playing like Brazil then defended like blue Brazil for the last half hour

Loved Mowbray

[TrinityHFC]

Longer it goes on the less likely it seems that David Gray will be given the job.

If he was the man they wanted then it would have been signed and sealed by now.

If McKay is leading on it and doesn’t ’officially’ start work until 1 June I doubt we’d be announcing anything either way until then.

[B.H.F.C]

Longer it goes on the less likely it seems that David Gray will be given the job.

If he was the man they wanted then it would have been signed and sealed by now.

I don’t think we were ever going to appoint anyone until McKay has ‘started’ on 1st of June.

[Smartie]

Longer it goes on the less likely it seems that David Gray will be given the job.

If he was the man they wanted then it would have been signed and sealed by now.

Unless they’re actually following the correct process, and David Gray is part of that process?

[jeffers]

Unless they’re actually following the correct process, and David Gray is part of that process?

:agree:

[Malonga's Cat]

I don’t think we were ever going to appoint anyone until McKay has ‘started’ on 1st of June.


Think you will be right. We've got a wee wait yet.

[CapitalGreen]

Gray will be announced as manager after MacKay starts officially in June.

[Auckland Hibs]

Gray will be announced as manager after MacKay starts officially in June.

I'm surprised that we haven't gone for someone with more experience - it's another huge gamble from the club at a time when we need stability.

By the law of averages they have to get one appointment right eventually and hopefully this is it.

[Unseen work]

Gray will be announced as manager after MacKay starts officially in June.

Guess or heard something?

[Hibees1973]

I'm surprised that we haven't gone for someone with more experience - it's another huge gamble from the club at a time when we need stability.

By the law of averages they have to get one appointment right eventually and hopefully this is it.

Exactly.

There would be no logic in appointing Gray. He has no managerial experience, only a few games as caretaker after our owners punted all the previous managers.

Apart from Ross, Gray wouldn't have learned anything good from the last four managers. Would be completely underwhelming if Gray was appointed, apart from those still dewey eyed back from 2016.

It would reveal a lot about MacKay's appointment if they go with Gray. Cheap, short-sighted and failure to really repair the damaged caused by those in charge at Hibs over a number of years.

We need a manager with a strong character, experience of the game in Scotland and a CV which shows an ability to build a squad at a good level. The last three managers either had very little, or none of these. McInnes was the prime candidate but he's gone. Ronny Deila has a good background and taken over clubs in various states.

The real problem MacKay has is getting a well qualified, credible candidate willing to overlook the way the club has been run by The Gordons and Kensell for the last few years.

[Iain G]

Agree 100%

Prematch interview, first game of the season, question number one...

So Delia, how do you think Celtic will get on this season?

As long as the answer isn't over egged or this place will go up like a soufflé.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Exactly.

There would be no logic in appointing Gray. He has no managerial experience, only a few games as caretaker after our owners punted all the previous managers.

Apart from Ross, Gray wouldn't have learned anything good from the last four managers. Would be completely underwhelming if Gray was appointed, apart from those still dewey eyed back from 2016.

It would reveal a lot about MacKay's appointment if they go with Gray. Cheap, short-sighted and failure to really repair the damaged caused by those in charge at Hibs over a number of years.

We need a manager with a strong character, experience of the game in Scotland and a CV which shows an ability to build a squad at a good level. The last three managers either had very little, or none of these. McInnes was the prime candidate but he's gone. Ronny Deila has a good background and taken over clubs in various states.

The real problem MacKay has is getting a well qualified, credible candidate willing to overlook the way the club has been run by The Gordons and Kensell for the last few years.

Nonsense. The greatest learning can be found in mistakes.

[jeffers]

I'm surprised that we haven't gone for someone with more experience - it's another huge gamble from the club at a time when we need stability.

By the law of averages they have to get one appointment right eventually and hopefully this is it.

We haven’t gone for anyone yet.

[CapitalGreen]

Guess or heard something?

All lined up aye.

[J-C]

I know that, I was replying to a post indicating that if he was involved he’d look for someone different, where was what I read said the opposite and that he wouldn’t necessarily and would potentially look in house for any appointment he makes at clubs.

Sorry, I was agreeing with you to show the other poster where he was wrong in his thoughts.

[jeffers]

All lined up aye.

No it isn’t.

[J-C]

Exactly.

There would be no logic in appointing Gray. He has no managerial experience, only a few games as caretaker after our owners punted all the previous managers.

Apart from Ross, Gray wouldn't have learned anything good from the last four managers. Would be completely underwhelming if Gray was appointed, apart from those still dewey eyed back from 2016.

It would reveal a lot about MacKay's appointment if they go with Gray. Cheap, short-sighted and failure to really repair the damaged caused by those in charge at Hibs over a number of years.

We need a manager with a strong character, experience of the game in Scotland and a CV which shows an ability to build a squad at a good level. The last three managers either had very little, or none of these. McInnes was the prime candidate but he's gone. Ronny Deila has a good background and taken over clubs in various states.

The real problem MacKay has is getting a well qualified, credible candidate willing to overlook the way the club has been run by The Gordons and Kensell for the last few years.

He'd learn not to try and play a system where the players can't play it, he'd learn to pay more attention to the defence and not to just think chucking 4 attackers on the pitch will win a game, he'd learn that 2 in the middle in a 442 gets swamped in midfield and no one really plays like that nowadays, he'd learn not to over train the players as if they're in the special forces so as they're knackered after 70 mins, he'd learn not to put square pegs in round holes.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think he's on his periods.
:faf:
Genuinelly burst out laughing at that,:top marks

[SeanWilson]

Gray will be announced as manager after MacKay starts officially in June.

There's no real reason for this to be the case. McKay starts receiving a salary from us on the 1st of June, however he's already been to games, done PR etc etc.... if we are planning on appointing SDG, it wouldn't make any difference to when they announce it. Its not like he's going to hold us to a ransom on his approval til the 1st June.

I would suggest (hope) its more likely we're not going down the cheap, sentimental route.

[B.H.F.C]

There's no real reason for this to be the case. McKay starts receiving a salary from us on the 1st of June, however he's already been to games, done PR etc etc.... if we are planning on appointing SDG, it wouldn't make any difference to when they announce it. Its not like he's going to hold us to a ransom on his approval til the 1st June.

I would suggest (hope) its more likely we're not going down the cheap, sentimental route.

There may well be contractual stuff that means he can comment etc.

And given they’ve already said he’ll be leading on the appointment, it’s going to be his name that’s all over it.

Don’t think we’re naive enough to think he’s not doing anything but the official start date being mentioned definitely has some meaning IMO.

[blackpoolhibs]

Nonsense. The greatest learning can be found in mistakes.

He's over qualified then.

[04Sauzee]

All lined up aye.

Are you absolutely positive?