Next Manager?

[Donegal Hibby]

Gray and Doolan or better again Deila and Gray .

[Smartie]

And done hings

Aye, but he's strugglin these days.

Strugglin, strugglin, strugglin.

[Bridge hibs]

Gray and Doolan or better again Deila and Gray .Or Kenny Samson and Delia

[Waxy]

Aye, but he's strugglin these days.

Strugglin, strugglin, strugglin.

We need to see that again

[Rob]

The bookies leave nothing to chance. He's the obvious favourite now, ex Hibs captain, had a good season. But I'd be amazed if it was him.
That lot certainly don't. According to them, the probability of our new manager being one of the 8 names listed is 139%.

[ruthven_raiders]

I’d take SDG with Park as his assistant

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/latest-group-begin-uefa-pro-licence-with-the-scottish-fa/

David Gray listed in a list of 20 for latest intake....

[J-C]

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/latest-group-begin-uefa-pro-licence-with-the-scottish-fa/

David Gray listed in a list of 20 for latest intake....

Big Daz also going for it, wonder if it'll be Gray with Daz as his No.2

[Smartie]

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/latest-group-begin-uefa-pro-licence-with-the-scottish-fa/

David Gray listed in a list of 20 for latest intake....

Quite an interesting group.

Not sure why but i didn't expect Mulgrew to be going down the coaching route.

Big Daz in there as well at the same level as Gray.

[Springbank]

I see on every betting list that Jaap Stam is in the running

But no talk on here

Anyone know what the scoop is with Jaap?

[AlbertK86]

Or Kenny Samson and Delia

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[Real Emerald]

It’s getting ridiculous with the Hibs related speculation on candidates that are nowhere near what’s needed. If David Martindale had been sacked for getting Livingston relegated everyone in Scottish football would have been shocked had they given the job to David Gray let alone give him the Hibs job!

We’re now getting calls for giving the job to the inexperienced Gray teamed up by other candidates with no experience in management. It’s getting silly now.

[e2los]

Or Kenny Samson and Delia

That is awful, but wouldn't surprise me.. :tee hee:

[ruthven_raiders]

Big Daz also going for it, wonder if it'll be Gray with Daz as his No.2

I'm at the stage now where I'll accept that and let's build for next season, I'm sure many will be disappointed, I'll just get behind whoever gets the job and go into next season full of eternal hope.....been doing that for over 50yrs now. First match was when I was 3, Hibs v Gers reserves. If you think it's bad now you should have been there thru the 80s....was spoiled in early to mid 70s. A few highs and many lows since....💚

[Real Emerald]

I'm at the stage now where I'll accept that and let's build for next season, I'm sure many will be disappointed, I'll just get behind whoever gets the job and go into next season full of eternal hope.....been doing that for over 50yrs now. First match was when I was 3, Hibs v Gers reserves. If you think it's bad now you should have been there thru the 80s....was spoiled in early to mid 70s. A few highs and many lows since....💚

I actually can’t believe anyone would accept that, Hibs were hoping to be challenging for third place under the Black Knights influence. Why not just get The Proclaimers in, give them a week about to be the manager??

[Hibees1973]

Much as there is a need to appoint a manager soon, waiting another 2-3 weeks to get a credible guy may be necessary. Surely this root and branch review is not going to end up with the likes of Gray or Murray as the manager. We need a strong character in to really shake things up.

I know there is a need for better quality players, but this will take time for the amount we need. I reckon most of the focus for MacKay will be to get rid of possibly 10 - 12 players. Yes, and Ian Gordon will need to release some of the Gordon wealth to pay some players off as he created most the mess as Head of Recruitment.

After the shambles of the last few years and a revolving door of players, a top 6th place will be the maximum I'm expecting next season.

[04Sauzee]

Much as there is a need to appoint a manager soon, waiting another 2-3 weeks to get a credible guy may be necessary. Surely this root and branch review is not going to end up with the likes of Gray or Murray as the manager. We need a strong character in to really shake things up.

I know there is a need for better quality players, but this will take time for the amount we need. I reckon most of the focus for MacKay will be to get rid of possibly 10 - 12 players. Yes, and Ian Gordon will need to release some of the Gordon wealth to pay some players off as he created most the mess as Head of Recruitment.

After the shambles of the last few years and a revolving door of players, a top 6th place will be the maximum I'm expecting next season.

What kind of characters are Gray and Murray? Do we know they aren't strong characters?

[matty_f]

I am not against SDG and Daz as a management team. Might not be my first choice, but I would find it very easy to believe that they would get the players behind them.

[The Tubs]

Gray and McGregor are definitely the types of characters I want managing Hibs. My only doubt would be how they react to adversity as managers and not as teammates. I'm sure as ****, however, that they know the types of characters they need to get on the park to deal with pressure.

[B.H.F.C]

I am not against SDG and Daz as a management team. Might not be my first choice, but I would find it very easy to believe that they would get the players behind them.

Wonder if McGregor would want to be his assistant. I remember him talking about wanting to be a manager in his own right. Obviously he’s got his own job and I suppose it would be a case of whether he saw becoming a number two as part of the getting to that.

If it did end up with them, I’d like to think they’d get someone in with a bit of experience alongside them to make up the coaching team.

[bingo70]

I am not against SDG and Daz as a management team. Might not be my first choice, but I would find it very easy to believe that they would get the players behind them.

I’m trying to warm to the idea of SDG as manager but if it is him he needs an experienced assistant. Let Daz learn his trade with the younger teams, there’s no need to rush him.

[Donegal Hibby]

Or Kenny Samson and Delia

Haired it all now 😂

[Musselbound]

Yet he has demonstrated the opposite during the season. With a (relatively) big squad, he has been able to change tactics during games. The number of late equalisers and winners bears that out.

I think that's fair comment. Raith were disappointing in the play off final but you have to look at the bigger picture. I'm not sure many would even have been tipping them to make the play offs at the start of the season.

[matty_f]

I’m trying to warm to the idea of SDG as manager but if it is him he needs an experienced assistant. Let Daz learn his trade with the younger teams, there’s no need to rush him.

You'd want Daz in your corner though, eh? I'm still reeling from Tommy Craig as the experienced assistant to John Collins, feeding him lines as he pretended to eat an apple in one of the most bizarre press conferences we've ever had!

[AlbertK86]

Haired it all now [emoji23]

Give me strength [emoji2957][emoji2957]


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[WestCoastHibby]

I see on every betting list that Jaap Stam is in the running

But no talk on here

Anyone know what the scoop is with Jaap?

Jaaps got an “eye” for a player 😳

[matty_f]

I think that's fair comment. Raith were disappointing in the play off final but you have to look at the bigger picture. I'm not sure many would even have been tipping them to make the play offs at the start of the season.

I'm not so sure- they've had a good bit of cash thrown at them this season.

[Iain G]

I see on every betting list that Jaap Stam is in the running

But no talk on here

Anyone know what the scoop is with Jaap?

Fine as long as Hastings and Poirot are part of his backroom team

[Ronniekirk]

The funny thing with me for SDG as despite not wanting him to get the job (for the many reasons I’ve said before) I actually think he’d do a pretty good job.

I think he’d recruit well
I think we’d be more organised defensively
I think we’d have a better control of the middle of the park
He really likes a switch of play which would mean Boyle etc would be able to isolate full backs more
I think he’d get about a 5th place in the league pretty comfortably.
I don’t think we’d get battered 5-0 etc off the old firm
On what basis do you think he would recruit well ?

[Wilson]

I'm not so sure- they've had a good bit of cash thrown at them this season.

A few folk have said that recently but with hindsight. Plenty were disparaging of Raith when we were due to play them in the cup. Not one of the favourites for promotion was the gist.

If they were as rubbish and unfancied as most claimed then you'd have to concede that Murray has done well over the season.

[matty_f]

A few folk have said that recently but with hindsight. Plenty were disparaging of Raith when we were due to play them in the cup. Not one of the favourites for promotion was the gist.

If they were as rubbish and unfancied as most claimed then you'd have to concede that Murray has done well over the season.

Only if you agreed with that assessment?

Murray has done well regardless - with investment comes expectation and as we know only too well, simply spending money is no guarantee of achieving anything.

[Carheenlea]

The choice is between David Gray, an appointment that many would deem “uninspiring” or the “cheap option”, or a candidate who will come in and have us all giddy with excitement with the now trademark soundbites of promises of an exciting, fast flowing, high pressing footballing side, with nods to first class training facilities and stadium and “Big Club” status.

I’ve grown weary of the false promises from managers who have failed to deliver.

David Gray’s appointment may not be the most exciting initially, but may well be the no-nonsense one that serves us best at this particular time.

The longer the list of ordinary looking candidates gets, the more appealing Gray becomes.

[SaulGoodman]

Wouldn’t mind Gray. Would rather have him than someone that’s going to come in with some daft footballing philosophy and wants to reinvent the wheel.

At least Gray should (hopefully) know what’s required to beat the teams we should have been beating last season, or the season before, or the season before that..

[Unseen work]

On what basis do you think he would recruit well ?

Honestly, just complete guesswork and a bit of hope 🤣

In all seriousness I just think he appears quite a pragmatic guy who would want to sign players he knows and know the league. I could see him going down the Jack Ross route of signings and also some players we used to have at the club.

Him and the Malky Mackay effect I have it in my head we’ll target

Will Dennis or Dimitar Mitov
CJ Egan Riley
Will Vaulks
Greg Doherty
Jamie Lindsay
Allan Campbell
Connor Ronan
Regan Charles Cook
Joseph Hungbo
Simon Murray
Devante Cole

Based on next to nothing 😅

Look forward to our second division Norwegian under 19 striker being announced now.

[GloryGlory]

On what basis do you think he would recruit well ?

On what basis does anyone think the new Head Coach, whoever he/she may be, will be given anything other than a minor role in recruitment, given we have just appointed MM as Sporting Director and still have McDermott, who is reportedly focussing at the scouting/recruitment side?

[Greenworld]

The choice is between David Gray, an appointment that many would deem “uninspiring” or the “cheap option”, or a candidate who will come in and have us all giddy with excitement with the now trademark soundbites of promises of an exciting, fast flowing, high pressing footballing side, with nods to first class training facilities and stadium and “Big Club” status.

I’ve grown weary of the false promises from managers who have failed to deliver.

David Gray’s appointment may not be the most exciting initially, but may well be the no-nonsense one that serves us best at this particular time.

The longer the list of ordinary looking candidates gets, the more appealing Gray becomes.That is the position as fans we find ourselves in .Starved of any information we now have some fans saying "ah well" let's just go with a guy who has never managed ,never been a assistant manager . Never had the daily pressures that comes with these positions .
Is he the so called people catcher .
I think [emoji848] well I hope that we are looking at appointing someone more in line with what MM said in his interview,it's certainly not David Gray .
I see someone mentioned Darren McGregor has shown interest think it was J-C .
Managed at 18's level , no other managerial experience.
I never for one minute thought there would even be interviews , I thought great! MM and the black knights / Gordon's will know who they want in place and still hope that is the case . given the radio silence no one knows otherwise .
Great news 1st June tomorrow let the new man begin [emoji16]

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[SickBoy32]

No great rush it seems from our esteemed leadership team 😂

7 weeks since we were confirmed bottom 6 and Montgomery should’ve been binned immediately.

It’s now 6 weeks til our season kicks off, and we’re still just drifting along.

They’re an absolute shambles and nothing will improve at our club until we see proper change in executive roles.

This ‘review’ was obviously just more corporate BS - it’s as clear as the nose on your face that they’re not upto the task.

[Since452]

Think we're back in pre season in three weeks. wonder if we'll have the new guy confirmed by then.

[Tyler Durden]

No great rush it seems from our esteemed leadership team 😂

7 weeks since we were confirmed bottom 6 and Montgomery should’ve been binned immediately.

It’s now 6 weeks til our season kicks off, and we’re still just drifting along.

They’re an absolute shambles and nothing will improve at our club until we see proper change in executive roles.

This ‘review’ was obviously just more corporate BS - it’s as clear as the nose on your face that they’re not upto the task.

To be fair, since then we've brought in Malky Mackay and he has a new football "line manager" to report to. Who is highly regarded at the top level.

We've also binned the manager. So some pretty clear actions taken since the review, whether you like them or not.

Wouldn't imagine we'll need to wait much longer for Gray to be announced.

[HH81]

Think we're back in pre season in three weeks. wonder if we'll have the new guy confirmed by then.

Cause we will he will be confirmed within the next few days I reckon.

[SickBoy32]

To be fair, since then we've brought in Malky Mackay and he has a new football "line manager" to report to. Who is highly regarded at the top level.

We've also binned the manager. So some pretty clear actions taken since the review, whether you like them or not.

Wouldn't imagine we'll need to wait much longer for Gray to be announced.

Ah yes, our new president of football - everything will be fine.

We don’t need to give a new manager time to assess the squad , or decent signings early in the window.

That is simply old-school thinking and we’re better than that these days 😂

[Callum_62]

Ah yes, our new president of football - everything will be fine.

We don’t need to give a new manager time to assess the squad , or decent signings early in the window.

That is simply old-school thinking and we’re better than that these days [emoji23]When does the window open?

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[04Sauzee]

When does the window open?

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14th June

[SickBoy32]

When does the window open?

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2 weeks time.

Those with expiring contracts elsewhere could’ve been signed at any point in the last 5months though.

We’re not giving ourselves the best chance of success, and it all stems from chaotic executive decisions.

[Callum_62]

2 weeks time.

Those with expiring contracts elsewhere could’ve been signed at any point in the last 5months though.

We’re not giving ourselves the best chance of success, and it all stems from chaotic executive decisions.I wonder if the 2 spl players monty apparently tied up are still a go'er?

Be interesting if they are one of our first announcements after the new manager is in

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[worcesterhibby]

No great rush it seems from our esteemed leadership team 😂

7 weeks since we were confirmed bottom 6 and Montgomery should’ve been binned immediately.

It’s now 6 weeks til our season kicks off, and we’re still just drifting along.

They’re an absolute shambles and nothing will improve at our club until we see proper change in executive roles.

This ‘review’ was obviously just more corporate BS - it’s as clear as the nose on your face that they’re not upto the task.

I think just about everyone agrees that our Owners The Gordon Family and our CEO have done a pretty good job, on the commercial side of things and have not done a great job on the Football side of things. The good news is that they have identified that themselves and have put a very experienced man in charge of the football side of things who has a great knowledge of Scottish Football. They have also brought in the Black Knights Group/Foley who adds more cash and a lot more knoweldge on the sporting side of the business.

On paper Montgomery was an excellent candidate. A young up and coming manager who had already won a title, had a long playing career in the UK and who had many players (including jason Cummings) raving about him and his ability to get ther best out of them. It didn't work out, but within the 7 week period you have mentioned that we are "just drifting along" we have employed a new Director of Football to take control. While on paper his contractual obligations meant that he starts on June 1st...you can be absolutely sure he has been working behind the scenes for the last few weeks, shortlisting managers and starting the full restructuring process. We also have a new President of Football Operations working for the Black Knight Group in Tiago Pinto, who will oversee the player movements between Bournemouth, Hibs, Lorient and Auckland. With regards to player contracts, those out of contract end on May 31 so the comings and goings will begin very soon and lots of decisions will already have been made, just not announced.

So in the last seven weeks we have:

Carried our a review of the football side of the Business
Appointed a new Director of Football
A new President of Football Operations has been appointed for the Group we are part of
A shortlist of managerial candidates has been produced
Existing Players contracts have been reviewed

You obviously have a real dislike for Ben Kensall and Ian Gordon..that's your perogative, but to suggest we have done nothing and are just drifting along and a shambles is nonsense. Have the last 12 months been acceptable from a footballing perspective ? No...are we making changes and doing something about it......Yes.

[Brightside]

No great rush it seems from our esteemed leadership team 😂

7 weeks since we were confirmed bottom 6 and Montgomery should’ve been binned immediately.

It’s now 6 weeks til our season kicks off, and we’re still just drifting along.

They’re an absolute shambles and nothing will improve at our club until we see proper change in executive roles.

This ‘review’ was obviously just more corporate BS - it’s as clear as the nose on your face that they’re not upto the task.

Will be announced after 1st June. In line with Malky "officially" starting.

[Brightside]

2 weeks time.

Those with expiring contracts elsewhere could’ve been signed at any point in the last 5months though.

We’re not giving ourselves the best chance of success, and it all stems from chaotic executive decisions.

Just to settle you down a little - we are in negotiations in and out with many players. Nothing is waiting for a manager.

[SickBoy32]

So in the last seven weeks we have:

1) Carried our a review of the football side of the Business
2) Appointed a new Director of Football
3) A new President of Football Operations has been appointed for the Group we are part of
4) A shortlist of managerial candidates has been produced
5) Existing Players contracts have been reviewed .

1) should the review not have encompassed our extortionate CEO’s performance to date?

2) Brilliant, let’s hope he does better than the DoF football they appointed last year. They’ve got to get a manager or DoF appointment right eventually…

3) Will have a negligible (at best) impact on our summer dealings I suspect

4) 😂 - does that not happen at every club when a manager is sacked? Time will tell if this shortlist leads to a decent appointment..

5) Curious who performed this review? Who decided Hanlon and Stevenson weren’t good enough for next season? The (sacked) manager? The (demoted) ex DoF? Bizarre to say the least.

[Smartie]

Just to settle you down a little - we are in negotiations in and out with many players. Nothing is waiting for a manager.

I'm sure we are, and we are where we are - hard to argue that the changes we've made lately weren't necessary.

But in future do you not think it would be nice for it to be a bit more stable, joined up and planned? As in, from January onwards we'll have an idea of where we are in the league, our budget, our manager for the next year, which players are likely to be staying and going and from January onwards we can be working on the squad accordingly?

Part of our problem seems to be that we're so reactive.

[Since452]

Just to settle you down a little - we are in negotiations in and out with many players. Nothing is waiting for a manager.

Beat me to it. We'll be signing players whether we have a manager in place right now or not. It would have been handy for the new manager to be in place to see some of the players in action though. The new Aberdeen manager obviously wasn't in the dugout but he'll have been assessing the players in the 3 or 4 games they played following his announcement and looking at all the data etc. We're starting a wee bit behind them but in football you can make up time pretty quickly by getting a few good results. If it's Gray then we'll already have had the guy in the building.

[Jones28]

Ah yes, our new president of football - everything will be fine.

We don’t need to give a new manager time to assess the squad , or decent signings early in the window.

That is simply old-school thinking and we’re better than that these days 😂

Settle FFS, its not even June yet.

[GloryGlory]

Beat me to it. We'll be signing players whether we have a manager in place right now or not. It would have been handy for the new manager to be in place to see some of the players in action though. The new Aberdeen manager obviously wasn't in the dugout but he'll have been assessing the players in the 3 or 4 games they played following his announcement and looking at all the data etc. We're starting a wee bit behind them but in football you can make up time pretty quickly by getting a few good results. If it's Gray then we'll already have had the guy in the building.

There's also the fact that we already have Gray, McGregor and other coaches, as well as sports analysts, at the club who can bring the new head coach up to speed on the playing staff (at all levels, not just the first team).

[Col2]

Question:

SDG or Jack Ross

Try and ignore the history and the regretful early sacking etc. is anyone telling me that SDG would on paper be a better option?

This is is where we appear to be at.

[Col2]

Settle FFS, its not even June yet.

It’s June tomorrow. Our first competitive game is 7 weeks away. We have to find a new central defence and goalkeeper along with other crucial change (in and out) to the squad. Any new manager coming in will need time to evaluate. We are day 18 after sacking montgomery and know MM was already being lined up as sporting director…

We won’t go in into the new league season ready as things stand. At best a transition period in August, at worst….

Now if we appoint a strong manager and it takes time to get him then so be it but if we appoint SDG and take this long it isn’t a good look.

[Brightside]

Question:

SDG or Jack Ross

Try and ignore the history and the regretful early sacking etc. is anyone telling me that SDG would on paper be a better option?

This is is where we appear to be at.

If Jack Ross is in the mix its a no brainer.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Question:

SDG or Jack Ross

Try and ignore the history and the regretful early sacking etc. is anyone telling me that SDG would on paper be a better option?

This is is where we appear to be at.

I’m not really following where you’re going with this. Is there a suggestion Jack Ross is an option? He’s got a very comfortable job down at Newcastle so I’d be very surprised if he was in a hurry to get back up to Scotland.

[Wilson]

Question:

SDG or Jack Ross

Try and ignore the history and the regretful early sacking etc. is anyone telling me that SDG would on paper be a better option?

This is is where we appear to be at.

We're not there at all. Ross isn't in the running. Ross would be a better candidate than most of his successors but that is a moot point now.

In Gray we're going for the years of experience of being at hibs. Of being hibs if you like. Or we let him go and try another outsider. A bit of a gamble either way. Even a name like Deila, for example, could potentially flop here - there are no guarantees.

I'm not saying Gray is the man. I just wouldn't rule him out because of our own fears. That's why the club does it's due diligence.

[supermcginn]

Question:

SDG or Jack Ross

Try and ignore the history and the regretful early sacking etc. is anyone telling me that SDG would on paper be a better option?

This is is where we appear to be at.

After his complete and utter disaster at Dundee Utd I don't think he'll be taking another managers job for quite a while, he is working at Newcastle's academy.

[AugustaHibs]

Scott gemmill, David gray or Neil Collins.

One of them will be the new head coach.

[Col2]

I’m not really following where you’re going with this. Is there a suggestion Jack Ross is an option? He’s got a very comfortable job down at Newcastle so I’d be very surprised if he was in a hurry to get back up to Scotland.

My point (badly made) is where we are just now. 3-4 ago we would be appointing Jack Ross and despite his issues at United are we saying SDG is on paper a better option?

[Col2]

We're not there at all. Ross isn't in the running. Ross would be a better candidate than most of his successors but that is a moot point now.

In Gray we're going for the years of experience of being at hibs. Of being hibs if you like. Or we let him go and try another outsider. A bit of a gamble either way. Even a name like Deila, for example, could potentially flop here - there are no guarantees.

I'm not saying Gray is the man. I just wouldn't rule him out because of our own fears. That's why the club does it's due diligence.

All appointments are a risk but surely after a constant flow of bad appointments you mitigate the risk by going for experience? Delia CV v SDG is like miles different.

[Unseen work]

Scott gemmill, David gray or Neil Collins.

One of them will be the new head coach.

#BringbackMonty

[WellingtonHibby]

Scott gemmill, David gray or Neil Collins.

One of them will be the new head coach.

That's a diabolical list. Surely not

[JohnM1875]

Scott gemmill, David gray or Neil Collins.

One of them will be the new head coach.

That is bleak.

[Trinity Hibee]

That's a diabolical list. Surely not

Scot gemmill has been U21 Scotland coach for so long I can’t imagine now is the time he’d step away from that to come to us.

[AugustaHibs]

That’s what I’ve heard. Hope not of course.

[Unseen work]

Can’t believe I’m saying it but if that is the 3 then it’s David Gray for me purely down to his knowledge of the squad and who I think he’d want to move on/sign.

Gemmill is one that I’ve seen get a lot of stick on social media but seems to get alot of praise from players etc.

Collins was sacked a game before the end of the season with Barnsley in 5th but the feeling seemed to be most wanted him sacked. Managed a lot of games but in the USL in America, not even the MLS.

I can’t see Collins having much knowledge of our squad, Gemill would likely have more but I’d have much more trust in Gray.

Cant believe we’re in a position where I want someone to get the job who I don’t think deserves it

[GreenPJ]

That's a diabolical list. Surely not
Out of interest what makes it diabolical?

[Wilson]

All appointments are a risk but surely after a constant flow of bad appointments you mitigate the risk by going for experience? Delia CV v SDG is like miles different.

Going for experience only mitigates the risk of lack of experience. Not all experience is beneficial if the incumbent doesn't 'get' the club he's applying his experience to.

Even at the end, with his seconds from jubilation quote, you could tell Monty still didn't get it.

[AugustaHibs]

Out of interest what makes it diabolical?

You’re not suggesting it’s a good list are you?

[Victor]

How do you learn how to do a job? You can learn in a classroom and get a nice piece of paper that says you are qualified to be a Coach, but that doesn’t make you a good manager. Remember Ian Cathro at Hearts? Or you can get the qualifications and obtain work experience by watching others do the job. From watching others you can see what works and what doesn’t and then form your own work practices. If you are immersed in watching football week in and out, you soon learn which tactics work and which players are good. So unless David Gray has been sitting in the dug out every week picking his nose or reading a comic during every training session that he has attended, I am quite sure he has enough academic and practical experience to be the Manager of Hibs. Every appointment is a gamble, but at least Gray, knows the Club and how things work, something that other applicants don’t have.

[04Sauzee]

Can’t believe I’m saying it but if that is the 3 then it’s David Gray for me purely down to his knowledge of the squad and who I think he’d want to move on/sign.

Gemmill is one that I’ve seen get a lot of stick on social media but seems to get alot of praise from players etc.

Collins was sacked a game before the end of the season with Barnsley in 5th but the feeling seemed to be most wanted him sacked. Managed a lot of games but in the USL in America, not even the MLS.

I can’t see Collins having much knowledge of our squad, Gemill would likely have more but I’d have much more trust in Gray.

Cant believe we’re in a position where I want someone to get the job who I don’t think deserves it

Collins managed the same US team as Robbie Replay is managing now. Think they are of a similar standard to Charleston Battery although I could be talking nonsense.

[Brightside]

That’s what I’ve heard. Hope not of course.

I like Neill Collins.

[AugustaHibs]

I like Neill Collins.

I’d rather Phil.

[CapitalGreen]

How do you learn how to do a job? You can learn in a classroom and get a nice piece of paper that says you are qualified to be a Coach, but that doesn’t make you a good manager. Remember Ian Cathro at Hearts? Or you can get the qualifications and obtain work experience by watching others do the job. From watching others you can see what works and what doesn’t and then form your own work practices. If you are immersed in watching football week in and out, you soon learn which tactics work and which players are good. So unless David Gray has been sitting in the dug out every week picking his nose or reading a comic during every training session that he has attended, I am quite sure he has enough academic and practical experience to be the Manager of Hibs. Every appointment is a gamble, but at least Gray, knows the Club and how things work, something that other applicants don’t have.

Ian Cathro had significantly more work experience at a much higher level than David Gray.

[Victor]

Ian Cathro had significantly more work experience at a much higher level than David Gray.

But couldn’t put any of it into practice.

[Newcastlehibby]

I’d rather Phil.

There's definitely something in the air tonight!

[Unseen work]

I noticed Barnsley fans call him boring a lot

https://x.com/footballheaven/status/1683904775882932234?s=46&t=jmxs-mZWT_cnYbURW-GKJw

They’re not wrong, he wouldn’t last a week!

Thats surely not a ‘people catcher’

[Donegal Hibby]

Ian Cathro had significantly more work experience at a much higher level than David Gray.

Probably goes to show that while experience is a good thing to have it's not essential.

[J-C]

Do people think those in charge are just twiddling their thumbs, things will be in motion.

[eastmainsmsh]

Neil Collins Ffs what is going on

[Unseen work]

Do people think those in charge are just twiddling their thumbs, things will be in motion.

I think people are more worried about what is in motion 😅

[GloryGlory]

That’s what I’ve heard. Hope not of course.

Care to say who you've heard it from?

[GloryGlory]

#BringbackMonty

What's Bobby Williamson up to these days? :greengrin

[Since452]

I was actually a really big fan of Nick Montgomery. Maybe we should reach out and see if he fancies another go....

[Bostonhibby]

And done hingsDun hings surely?

Would be a cheap option as long as he gets to strut about in his hearts trackie.



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[hibees 7062]

I’d rather Phil.

Or Joan

[Onion]

All appointments are a risk but surely after a constant flow of bad appointments you mitigate the risk by going for experience? Delia CV v SDG is like miles different.

Of course you do. Obvious concern is this decision is being driven by money and/or a lack of confidence of the Hibs Board and owner in picking managers. Far, far easier and much, much cheaper to slot a current employee into the job. SDG will be less demanding in salary and, as a first time manager, have far less pull when it comes to players and player budget.

Was really hoping Foley money, Foley experience and this deep Review would revolutionise our approach to key appointments like manager and make a clear statement of intent.

[kentao]

Is it too late to change our mind on the paying compensation clause?

[Mcbizz1998]

Who the **** is Neil Collins?

[Donegal Hibby]

Just a hunch though I'd be pretty confident it won't be Gemmill or Collins .
https://barnsleyfc.org.uk/threads/thanks-neil-collins.329848/

[AlbertK86]

I think just about everyone agrees that our Owners The Gordon Family and our CEO have done a pretty good job, on the commercial side of things and have not done a great job on the Football side of things. The good news is that they have identified that themselves and have put a very experienced man in charge of the football side of things who has a great knowledge of Scottish Football. They have also brought in the Black Knights Group/Foley who adds more cash and a lot more knoweldge on the sporting side of the business.

On paper Montgomery was an excellent candidate. A young up and coming manager who had already won a title, had a long playing career in the UK and who had many players (including jason Cummings) raving about him and his ability to get ther best out of them. It didn't work out, but within the 7 week period you have mentioned that we are "just drifting along" we have employed a new Director of Football to take control. While on paper his contractual obligations meant that he starts on June 1st...you can be absolutely sure he has been working behind the scenes for the last few weeks, shortlisting managers and starting the full restructuring process. We also have a new President of Football Operations working for the Black Knight Group in Tiago Pinto, who will oversee the player movements between Bournemouth, Hibs, Lorient and Auckland. With regards to player contracts, those out of contract end on May 31 so the comings and goings will begin very soon and lots of decisions will already have been made, just not announced.

So in the last seven weeks we have:

Carried our a review of the football side of the Business
Appointed a new Director of Football
A new President of Football Operations has been appointed for the Group we are part of
A shortlist of managerial candidates has been produced
Existing Players contracts have been reviewed

You obviously have a real dislike for Ben Kensall and Ian Gordon..that's your perogative, but to suggest we have done nothing and are just drifting along and a shambles is nonsense. Have the last 12 months been acceptable from a footballing perspective ? No...are we making changes and doing something about it......Yes.

Outstanding post


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[HendoDelivered]

Rumours eh 😂

[Hibees1973]

Of course you do. Obvious concern is this decision is being driven by money and/or a lack of confidence of the Hibs Board and owner in picking managers. Far, far easier and much, much cheaper to slot a current employee into the job. SDG will be less demanding in salary and, as a first time manager, have far less pull when it comes to players and player budget.

Was really hoping Foley money, Foley experience and this deep Review would revolutionise our approach to key appointments like manager and make a clear statement of intent.

Agree.

Some on here were frothing when Foley invested in Hibs. You would expect the Black Knights to be all over this review and Head Coach appointment. Is that not why they are here, for their footballing contacts and expertise.If all we get is MacKay (recently sacked at Ross Co) as Director of all footballing Operations and Gray (part of three failed coaching groups) as Head Coach it's a big disappointment.

[NGoloGrantie]

Surely it’s not Neil Collins lol


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[JohnM1875]

Just a hunch though I'd be pretty confident it won't be Gemmill or Collins .
https://barnsleyfc.org.uk/threads/thanks-neil-collins.329848/

First few posts you could be mistaken for thinking it was a thread about what we thought of Montgomery.

[worcesterhibby]

One of things I think we should all recognise is that hiring a football manager is a really difficult thing to get right.

When Jack Ross was in charge, fans were not happy. Decent win rate in fairly boring attritional matches against lesser opposition, but the word "eye-bleeding" was used constantly on here to describe our style of play. We then performed badly in big matches as well, so the fact he got us to Hampden a number of times ending up working against him. Maybe that's the point we should have approached Derek McInnes, but I think a lot would have thought it was a like for like appointment...boring football..grinding out results.. It's taken 3 failed managers to make most Hibs fans wish we had gone for McInnes and even then he might have said no anyway.

We then made our biggest mistake and the one that the Gordons should take the most responsibility for in Shaun Maloney - However he did tick a number of boxes including knowledge of Scottish Football and brilliant experience working alongside Roberto Martinez for Belgium.

Next up was Lee Johnstone - Very experienced manager, knowledge of the Scottish game, previously manged Leeds. 51% win rate in his previous job before joining us. Actually got us top 6 and into Europe.

Then we have Monty - Highly succesful young manager - had just won the league with a team of underdogs, Jason Cummings telling everyone he was the guy who completley changed his career for the better..known as a no-nonsene player in a tough UK league. Scottish Heritage, with an assistant who speaks about 6 languages and would get the best out of our foreign players. Most of us thought it was an exciting appointment. It wasn't unfortunatley !

None of the above appointments are any more stupid on paper than appointing the inexperienced first time manager Tony Mowbray or Everton Youth team coach Alan Stubbs or first time Manager John Collins. Even Alex McLeish came to us on the back of an abysmal 30% win rate at Motherwell where he had one good season followed by two fighting relegation. To be honest you look back in our history and the last really nailed on success of a manager we employed was Eddie Turnbull.. experienced.. deep knowledge of Scottish Football, love for the club, loved by fans before he arrived as a manager and had won the Scottish Cup and finished 2nd in the League with Aberdeen. Since then, every single manager has had a worse CV !

It's not like other teams don't struggle to get it right .. look at Man Utd.. Look at Chelsea,, look at Birmingham City etc etc.

I hope they get it right this time, I just think we should probably all admit that it's quite a difficult thing to get right. If it was my job to choose I'd go for Ronnie Deila..but God knows how he would actually work out.

[Donegal Hibby]

First few posts you could be mistaken for thinking it was a thread about what we thought of Montgomery.

Yeah , you could right enough. Just can't see it being him or even Gemmill. I think it's going to be Gray that gets it .

[Jones28]

It’s June tomorrow. Our first competitive game is 7 weeks away. We have to find a new central defence and goalkeeper along with other crucial change (in and out) to the squad. Any new manager coming in will need time to evaluate. We are day 18 after sacking montgomery and know MM was already being lined up as sporting director…

We won’t go in into the new league season ready as things stand. At best a transition period in August, at worst….

Now if we appoint a strong manager and it takes time to get him then so be it but if we appoint SDG and take this long it isn’t a good look.

As things stand of course we're not ready for the new season.

Players are just returning from holidays, are we seriously suggesting it's time to panic because we have 7 weeks until our first league cup match?

The club deserves stick in a lot of areas at the moment but this is a bit extreme.

[Unseen work]

One of things I think we should all recognise is that hiring a football manager is a really difficult thing to get right.

When Jack Ross was in charge, fans were not happy. Decent win rate in fairly boring attritional matches against lesser opposition, but the word "eye-bleeding" was used constantly on here to describe our style of play. We then performed badly in big matches as well, so the fact he got us to Hampden a number of times ending up working against him. Maybe that's the point we should have approached Derek McInnes, but I think a lot would have thought it was a like for like appointment...boring football..grinding out results.. It's taken 3 failed managers to make most Hibs fans wish we had gone for McInnes and even then he might have said no anyway.

We then made our biggest mistake and the one that the Gordons should take the most responsibility for in Shaun Maloney - However he did tick a number of boxes including knowledge of Scottish Football and brilliant experience working alongside Roberto Martinez for Belgium.

Next up was Lee Johnstone - Very experienced manager, knowledge of the Scottish game, previously manged Leeds. 51% win rate in his previous job before joining us. Actually got us top 6 and into Europe.

Then we have Monty - Highly succesful young manager - had just won the league with a team of underdogs, Jason Cummings telling everyone he was the guy who completley changed his career for the better..known as a no-nonsene player in a tough UK league. Scottish Heritage, with an assistant who speaks about 6 languages and would get the best out of our foreign players. Most of us thought it was an exciting appointment. It wasn't unfortunatley !

None of the above appointments are any more stupid on paper than appointing the inexperienced first time manager Tony Mowbray or Everton Youth team coach Alan Stubbs or first time Manager John Collins. Even Alex McLeish came to us on the back of an abysmal 30% win rate at Motherwell where he had one good season followed by two fighting relegation. To be honest you look back in our history and the last really nailed on success of a manager we employed was Eddie Turnbull.. experienced.. deep knowledge of Scottish Football, love for the club, loved by fans before he arrived as a manager and had won the Scottish Cup and finished 2nd in the League with Aberdeen. Since then, every single manager has had a worse CV !

It's not like other teams don't struggle to get it right .. look at Man Utd.. Look at Chelsea,, look at Birmingham City etc etc.

I hope they get it right this time, I just think we should probably all admit that it's quite a difficult thing to get right. If it was my job to choose I'd go for Ronnie Deila..but God knows how he would actually work out.

Yep, I do have sympathy as it’s such a hard thing to do.

The main reason the majority were ‘failures’ though was recruitment imo.

We can get whoever we want in charge but it’s the recruitment that needs to improve

[SteveHFC]

Scott gemmill, David gray or Neil Collins.

One of them will be the new head coach.

Just announce SDG.

[Jones28]

Yep, I do have sympathy as it’s such a hard thing to do.

The main reason the majority were ‘failures’ though was recruitment imo.

We can get whoever we want in charge but it’s the recruitment that needs to improve

I'm not sure I'd apply this to NM, for me it's no coincidence that the majority of players regressed under his management, he was ****ing awful.

Ross and Maloney I would 100% say were diddled by poor recruitment, Johnson I'm so-so about.

[jonny]

Just announce SDG.

He started his UEFA A Licence today. I noted that Naismith was on the same course

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

One of things I think we should all recognise is that hiring a football manager is a really difficult thing to get right.

When Jack Ross was in charge, fans were not happy. Decent win rate in fairly boring attritional matches against lesser opposition, but the word "eye-bleeding" was used constantly on here to describe our style of play. We then performed badly in big matches as well, so the fact he got us to Hampden a number of times ending up working against him. Maybe that's the point we should have approached Derek McInnes, but I think a lot would have thought it was a like for like appointment...boring football..grinding out results.. It's taken 3 failed managers to make most Hibs fans wish we had gone for McInnes and even then he might have said no anyway.

We then made our biggest mistake and the one that the Gordons should take the most responsibility for in Shaun Maloney - However he did tick a number of boxes including knowledge of Scottish Football and brilliant experience working alongside Roberto Martinez for Belgium.

Next up was Lee Johnstone - Very experienced manager, knowledge of the Scottish game, previously manged Leeds. 51% win rate in his previous job before joining us. Actually got us top 6 and into Europe.

Then we have Monty - Highly succesful young manager - had just won the league with a team of underdogs, Jason Cummings telling everyone he was the guy who completley changed his career for the better..known as a no-nonsene player in a tough UK league. Scottish Heritage, with an assistant who speaks about 6 languages and would get the best out of our foreign players. Most of us thought it was an exciting appointment. It wasn't unfortunatley !

None of the above appointments are any more stupid on paper than appointing the inexperienced first time manager Tony Mowbray or Everton Youth team coach Alan Stubbs or first time Manager John Collins. Even Alex McLeish came to us on the back of an abysmal 30% win rate at Motherwell where he had one good season followed by two fighting relegation. To be honest you look back in our history and the last really nailed on success of a manager we employed was Eddie Turnbull.. experienced.. deep knowledge of Scottish Football, love for the club, loved by fans before he arrived as a manager and had won the Scottish Cup and finished 2nd in the League with Aberdeen. Since then, every single manager has had a worse CV !

It's not like other teams don't struggle to get it right .. look at Man Utd.. Look at Chelsea,, look at Birmingham City etc etc.

I hope they get it right this time, I just think we should probably all admit that it's quite a difficult thing to get right. If it was my job to choose I'd go for Ronnie Deila..but God knows how he would actually work out.

2 absolutely fantastic contributions to this thread WH. bravo sir I wholeheartedly agree

[.Sean.]

I’m going to put it out there, if it’s Neil Collins this place will have a meltdown of astronomical proportions even by the standards of Hibs.net

Surely the club aren’t that silly are they 😂

[.Sean.]

Just a hunch though I'd be pretty confident it won't be Gemmill or Collins .
https://barnsleyfc.org.uk/threads/thanks-neil-collins.329848/
Some of that thread is a carbon copy of a lot of what was said about Montgomery when he was sacked

[Bobby's Cinema]

I'm not sure I'd apply this to NM, for me it's no coincidence that the majority of players regressed under his management, he was ****ing awful.

Ross and Maloney I would 100% say were diddled by poor recruitment, Johnson I'm so-so about.
Agreed. IMO even from January on NM should have got far more of a tune out of the squad he had. Whatever you say about LJ he got us into Europe - that's where we were at the start of the season vs where NM took us now.

Also just dug out Maloney's Hibs line-up at Hampden;

Macey, P Mcginn, Porto, Hanlon, Stevenson, Cadden, JDH, Newell, Clarke, Henderson, Scott.

I look at that and almost start to believe maybe I was too harsh on the guy.

[.Sean.]

He started his UEFA A Licence today. I noted that Naismith was on the same course
How will Naismith be allowed to take Hearts in Europe without that?

[SaulGoodman]

Genius move from Hibs dropping the Gemmill and Collins rumour so that the fans would be more happy with the Gray appointment.

[Iain G]

I’m going to put it out there, if it’s Neil Collins this place will have a meltdown of astronomical proportions even by the standards of Hibs.net

Surely the club aren’t that silly are they 😂

I know nothing about him and that's exciting! The newness of the unknown 😁

[hibee-boys]

Never heard of Collins, but then again I’d never heard of Nick Montgomery or Lee Johnson and look at how they turned out…oh, wait a minute😳

[NGoloGrantie]

That’s what I’ve heard. Hope not of course.

Is your source usually quite reliable?


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[O'Rourke3]

How will Naismith be allowed to take Hearts in Europe without that?

He'll have it by the time the fixtures take place. Looks like a 12 day course.

[Gruff]

If the rumours are correct in the 3 candidates are Gemmill, Gray and Collins, then it makes me wonder is that the best we can attract? i'm not saying we should expect the levels of Pep or Jurgen to apply, but surely Hibs are a good prospect, dual city club, passionate fanbase (slightly deranged at times :greengrin ) or have we gained such a reputation that even unemployed managers won't apply or if we have approached others and they've knocked us back and we're in Bayern territory and going with someone who was way down the list.
I can't seriously believe those 3 are the best Hibs can attract and if it is, do players view us the same way??

[GloryGlory]

If the rumours are correct in the 3 candidates are Gemmill, Gray and Collins, then it makes me wonder is that the best we can attract? i'm not saying we should expect the levels of Pep or Jurgen to apply, but surely Hibs are a good prospect, dual city club, passionate fanbase (slightly deranged at times :greengrin ) or have we gained such a reputation that even unemployed managers won't apply or if we have approached others and they've knocked us back and we're in Bayern territory and going with someone who was way down the list.
I can't seriously believe those 3 are the best Hibs can attract and if it is, do players view us the same way??

I'm sure Hibs have been contacted by agents for many coaches/managers. I wouldn't say the job is unattractive to large number of coaches.

[J-C]

He started his UEFA A Licence today. I noted that Naismith was on the same course

Pro licence

[Northernhibee]

With McInnes being out of the running, I’m more and more convinced that it has to be SDG.

We’re in quite a unique predicament in quite a unique league. A manager needs to know how to win in a league that can be a bit of a throwback, and will pit you against Celtic or Rangers one week then throw you to an away day on a plastic pitch against a team who will play with eleven behind the ball the next.


I’m hoping that the appointment of Mackay is an acknowledgement that the powers that be gave gotten things drastically wrong in the last few years, but even still we need someone who understands how dysfunctional we’ve been to understand what needs fixed the second they start. Again, for me someone who is an internal appointment is a good fit for this.


I don’t want an exciting name or a curveball or a roll of the dice. I want a sensible, boring, underwhelming appointment that can hit the ground running, even if they initially need some support from MM.

[04Sauzee]

He'll have it by the time the fixtures take place. Looks like a 12 day course.

Thought I read somewhere they would complete their badges early 2025?

[Unseen work]

If the rumours are correct in the 3 candidates are Gemmill, Gray and Collins, then it makes me wonder is that the best we can attract? i'm not saying we should expect the levels of Pep or Jurgen to apply, but surely Hibs are a good prospect, dual city club, passionate fanbase (slightly deranged at times :greengrin ) or have we gained such a reputation that even unemployed managers won't apply or if we have approached others and they've knocked us back and we're in Bayern territory and going with someone who was way down the list.
I can't seriously believe those 3 are the best Hibs can attract and if it is, do players view us the same way??

I’m sure there’s loads that would be interested, however they’ll likely all be employed by other clubs.

Us coming straight out and saying we want someone we don’t need to pay money for is mental and limits our pool massively.

[Northernhibee]

If the rumours are correct in the 3 candidates are Gemmill, Gray and Collins, then it makes me wonder is that the best we can attract? i'm not saying we should expect the levels of Pep or Jurgen to apply, but surely Hibs are a good prospect, dual city club, passionate fanbase (slightly deranged at times :greengrin ) or have we gained such a reputation that even unemployed managers won't apply or if we have approached others and they've knocked us back and we're in Bayern territory and going with someone who was way down the list.
I can't seriously believe those 3 are the best Hibs can attract and if it is, do players view us the same way??

We’ve twice sacked a manager in the same season within the last three, and LJ was extremely fortunate to not be in that predicament as well.

If you’re in a decent job or are likely to have other options on the table, we are an almighty gamble just now.

[Greenworld]

Thought I read somewhere they would complete their badges early 2025?Yes I'm sure it's spread over a season a lot of theory and modules

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[Donegal Hibby]

I’m sure there’s loads that would be interested, however they’ll likely all be employed by other clubs.

Us coming straight out and saying we want someone we don’t need to pay money for is mental and limits our pool massively.

Maybe I'm wrong here though was it not ' Hibs didn't want to get into a long battle over compensation ' which could mean also that they would pay compensation if a deal could be agreed rather than things getting messy ? . Just asking like .🤔

[SeanWilson]

I’m sure there’s loads that would be interested, however they’ll likely all be employed by other clubs.

Us coming straight out and saying we want someone we don’t need to pay money for is mental and limits our pool massively.

I’m not sure an Edinburgh evening ‘news’ article constitutes as us saying anything.

[04Sauzee]

I’m sure there’s loads that would be interested, however they’ll likely all be employed by other clubs.

Us coming straight out and saying we want someone we don’t need to pay money for is mental and limits our pool massively.
Is that how it was reported?

[Green Man]

Yes I'm sure it's spread over a season a lot of theory and modules

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Yeah all the UEFA courses take a good while to complete.

[Hibiza]

May as well ask Pat Fenlon back .

[Allant1981]

How will Naismith be allowed to take Hearts in Europe without that?

It's not his A licence, it's his pro, DG doing it also

[Hibiza]

As Wimbledon approaches Gemmill " you can't be serious ". In the office chance it is better alert the Catering staff to get plenty ," Haribos" and Space Invader crisps in .

[Paul1642]

There seems be a lot of people using ‘knowledge of the squad’ as a criteria we should be ticking. Since when was this a consideration in clubs appointing a manager? It doesn’t half narrow down the candidate list.

If you look at the best teams in the world it doesn’t seem to be much of a consideration. Over half of the English premierships mangers had never managed in England before their current club and Arteta is the only one I can think of who played for the team they now manage.

Our own sister club so to speak, Bournemouth appointed Andoni Iraola from Spain having never manager or played in England let alone at Bournemouth, so if the BK have much say in the appointment I don’t think it’ll be much of a factor.

Gray is favourite at the moment, not because he has knowledge of the club, but because he’s cheaper than all the other would be candidates which going by Bookies odds is a very uninspiring list right now unfortunately.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

As Wimbledon approaches Gemmill " you can't be serious ". In the office chance it is better alert the Catering staff to get plenty ," Haribos" and Space Invader crisps in .

Eh? 🤔

[Brightside]

I’m going to put it out there, if it’s Neil Collins this place will have a meltdown of astronomical proportions even by the standards of Hibs.net

Surely the club aren’t that silly are they 😂

What's the issue with Collins?

[greenflyer]

https://youtu.be/VqomZQMZQCQ?feature=shared

[stantonhibby]

As Wimbledon approaches Gemmill " you can't be serious ". In the office chance it is better alert the Catering staff to get plenty ," Haribos" and Space Invader crisps in .

Probably your most sensible ever post

[Onion]

We’ve twice sacked a manager in the same season within the last three, and LJ was extremely fortunate to not be in that predicament as well.

If you’re in a decent job or are likely to have other options on the table, we are an almighty gamble just now.

Hibs current quality of squad capable of getting any manager fired. Without clear assurances around player recruitment, no self-respecting manager would take the Hibs job. The only alternative is fill the post with SDG.

[04Sauzee]

Hibs current quality of squad capable of getting any manager fired. Without clear assurances around player recruitment, no self-respecting manager would take the Hibs job. The only alternative is fill the post with SDG.

I'm sure Gray would want the same assurance a as any other guy coming into the post.

[Northernhibee]

Hibs current quality of squad capable of getting any manager fired. Without clear assurances around player recruitment, no self-respecting manager would take the Hibs job. The only alternative is fill the post with SDG.

We also need to see what effect MM will have on the running of the football department. It’s been a shambles for some time, dumping more and more sub par footballers onto the pile making it more and more difficult to fix the mess we are in, plus things like fielding ineligible players.


If MM manages to turn this around then the job may be less of a gamble but for just now there are so many reasons not to take it IMO.

[Unseen work]

Maybe I'm wrong here though was it not ' Hibs didn't want to get into a long battle over compensation ' which could mean also that they would pay compensation if a deal could be agreed rather than things getting messy ? . Just asking like .🤔

I’ve seen a couple of articles in relation to it;

Hibs will reportedly look to bring in a new head coach that won't cost compensation to ensure their new man can get going as soon as possible.
- Mark Hendry

Robinson remains high on the bookies’ list but is under contract at Saints and would require a compensation package to be thrashed out - something Hibs are understood to prefer to avoid.
- Fraser Wilson


But it is understood that Hibs are reluctant to become embroiled in a compensation battle for more experienced contenders currently in employment.
- John Greechan

[Hibs4185]

He started his UEFA A Licence today. I noted that Naismith was on the same course

FFS it’ll take SDG about 3 years to get qualified if Naismith is on the course.

‘Miss how do I spell my name’

[J-C]

Maybe I'm wrong here though was it not ' Hibs didn't want to get into a long battle over compensation ' which could mean also that they would pay compensation if a deal could be agreed rather than things getting messy ? . Just asking like .🤔

Unless there's a clause in his contract if a premiership club come calling.

[Mcbizz1998]

Eh? 🤔

Yeah, me neither....:confused:

[Unseen work]

FFS it’ll take SDG about 3 years to get qualified if Naismith is on the course.

‘Miss how do I spell my name’

Saw Jonny Hayes saying it was a 2 year course, wonder if it depends on if you do it in one block or distance learning etc

[Iain G]

I’ve seen a couple of articles in relation to it;

Hibs will reportedly look to bring in a new head coach that won't cost compensation to ensure their new man can get going as soon as possible.
- Mark Hendry

Robinson remains high on the bookies’ list but is under contract at Saints and would require a compensation package to be thrashed out - something Hibs are understood to prefer to avoid.
- Fraser Wilson


But it is understood that Hibs are reluctant to become embroiled in a compensation battle for more experienced contenders currently in employment.
- John Greechan

So one reportedly and two understoods being used to caveat that the writers may be wrong or just quoting each other, or something that was probably said on here 😁

[Tyler Durden]

What's the issue with Collins?

What would the positive argument for him be?

[.Sean.]

What's the issue with Collins?
Apart from being sacked from League 1 Barnsley, and prior to that his only other job being in the league below the MLS? Excuse my pessimism

[HendoDelivered]

EEN: Gray is still among the favourites to be named as Hibs boss, possibly as early as next week, after impressing senior figures at Easter Road with his plans for the first team. He made it on to the short list of contenders being interviewed by new sporting director Malky Mackay. And he’s already given thought to pulling together a backroom staff, should he get the nod.

[.Sean.]

EEN: Gray is still among the favourites to be named as Hibs boss, possibly as early as next week, after impressing senior figures at Easter Road with his plans for the first team. He made it on to the short list of contenders being interviewed by new sporting director Malky Mackay. And he’s already given thought to pulling together a backroom staff, should he get the nod.
Wonder who he’d fancy for assistant, if he’d maybe go for someone who’s been at Hibs before in the same role

I wouldn’t be totally averse Gray in charge with McGregor and maybe Boozy assisting with an experienced head involved aswell

[Unseen work]

EEN: Gray is still among the favourites to be named as Hibs boss, possibly as early as next week, after impressing senior figures at Easter Road with his plans for the first team. He made it on to the short list of contenders being interviewed by new sporting director Malky Mackay. And he’s already given thought to pulling together a backroom staff, should he get the nod.

Well that’s that then.

Mention he wanted Doolan but maybe unlikely considering he’s now Accrington boss.

[Aldo]

Well that’s that then.

Mention he wanted Doolan but maybe unlikely considering he’s now Accrington boss.

I’d be disappointed if they pay a team compensation for an assistant and not for the right manager.

All speculation mind you.

[GloryGlory]

Well that’s that then.

Mention he wanted Doolan but maybe unlikely considering he’s now Accrington boss.

Gray and Doolan worked together under Stubbs, so that's maybe not a bad shout. If Gray wants him I suppose it depends on his contract with AS and whether he has a release clause that let's him talk to other clubs. And whether he will make a backward step to assistant after being manager in his own right. And that he only signed a 3 year contract with AS in March this year.

[Donegal Hibby]

I’ve seen a couple of articles in relation to it;

Hibs will reportedly look to bring in a new head coach that won't cost compensation to ensure their new man can get going as soon as possible.
- Mark Hendry

Robinson remains high on the bookies’ list but is under contract at Saints and would require a compensation package to be thrashed out - something Hibs are understood to prefer to avoid.
- Fraser Wilson


But it is understood that Hibs are reluctant to become embroiled in a compensation battle for more experienced contenders currently in employment.
- John Greechan

Thanks for that . It does look like paying compensation isn't a option . I did read in an article we paid about 50 k to CCM though maybe that wasn't true .

When you see Aberdeen going after and getting Jimmy Thelin you'd wonder why we aren't showing the same ambition , certainly limits us alot on potential managers.

After all the talk of investment and the club having money maybe things aren't as good as we were lead to believe they are ? .

[West lower]

Ex pro friend of mine who has old Hibs connections at east mains says the chat going round is that if David Gray gets the job his number 2 will be Eddie May and craig Sammon goalkeeping coach. Might be nonsense but thought I would share as he is usually not far off the money.

Edit: Craig Samson

[BoomtownHibees]

craig Sammon goalkeeping coach.

Sounds a bit fishy

[Hibiza]

Eddie - get your boots on

[04Sauzee]

Ex pro friend of mine who has old Hibs connections at east mains says the chat going round is that if David Gray gets the job his number 2 will be Eddie May and craig Sammon goalkeeping coach. Might be nonsense but thought I would share as he is usually not far off the money.

Edit: Craig Samson

I had thought Eddie May wasn't keen on the coaching side of things, can't see him wanting to get involved with the 1st team.

[JohnM1875]

I had thought Eddie May wasn't keen on the coaching side of things, can't see him wanting to get involved with the 1st team.

Maybe do it for Gray if he thinks it’ll help him. Could maybe be for the first year to help out.

Just guessing mind you.

[H18 SFR]

I had thought Eddie May wasn't keen on the coaching side of things, can't see him wanting to get involved with the 1st team.

I heard before the end of the season that Eddie was considering retirement. Wants to spend time with grandkids.

Apparently been on a bit of a wind down for a bit in terms of his ongoing remit. Maybe others know more.

[Gordy M]

I know most folk on here think its a done deal, but if it is, not like the bookies to get caught out. SDG is still only 8/11 which is is long odds for a "sure thing".....still think it hasnt been decided yet.

[Crazyhorse]

Sounds a bit fishy

No bites yet…

[zitelli62]

Gray and Doolan worked together under Stubbs, so that's maybe not a bad shout. If Gray wants him I suppose it depends on his contract with AS and whether he has a release clause that let's him talk to other clubs. And whether he will make a backward step to assistant after being manager in his own right. And that he only signed a 3 year contract with AS in March this year.

Definitely won't be doolan just signed 3 year contract with Accrington Stanley and settled there closer to his family
Source club secretary.

[Unseen work]

Wonder if Yogi would want to be Grays assistant.

No idea if they even know each other but Yogi is 60 this year, loads of experience, a Hibs mans and hasn’t had a club in 2 years. Probably unlikely to get another decent gig.

Whether yogi would be capable of just being an assistant and not try take control would be another thing though.

[Bridge hibs]

Wonder if Yogi would want to be Grays assistant.

No idea if they even know each other but Yogi is 60 this year, loads of experience, a Hibs mans and hasn’t had a club in 2 years. Probably unlikely to get another decent gig.

Whether yogi would be capable of just being an assistant and not try take control would be another thing though.

Oh please ****ing no 😧

[Coco Bryce]

Wonder if Yogi would want to be Grays assistant.

No idea if they even know each other but Yogi is 60 this year, loads of experience, a Hibs mans and hasn’t had a club in 2 years. Probably unlikely to get another decent gig.

Whether yogi would be capable of just being an assistant and not try take control would be another thing though.

Jesus wept 😂😂

[JohnM1875]

Wonder if Yogi would want to be Grays assistant.

No idea if they even know each other but Yogi is 60 this year, loads of experience, a Hibs mans and hasn’t had a club in 2 years. Probably unlikely to get another decent gig.

Whether yogi would be capable of just being an assistant and not try take control would be another thing though.

Yogi is a brilliant guy with a tonne of experience, but I think your last part is probably right, not sure he'd be great at assisting without trying to take control.

[blackpoolhibs]

Wonder if Yogi would want to be Grays assistant.

No idea if they even know each other but Yogi is 60 this year, loads of experience, a Hibs mans and hasn’t had a club in 2 years. Probably unlikely to get another decent gig.

Whether yogi would be capable of just being an assistant and not try take control would be another thing though.

A Scottish cup winner who also had Hibs in Europe through a 4th place league finish, i've heard dafter suggestions.

We really are snobbish at times, anyone who achieves any success at the club is completely dissmissed as soon as they have a bad season, and we'd rather take a punt on someone who's done absolutely nothing than give someone longer or another chance.

[JohnM1875]

It's his A Licence. Trust me.

Gray? It's his Pro License

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/latest-group-begin-uefa-pro-licence-with-the-scottish-fa/#:~:text=The%20Scottish%20FA%20Coach%20Education%2 0Department%20only%20welcomed%2

[jonny]

Pro licence

I stand corrected, I misread the SFA news post earlier. Note Darren McGregor is also on it.

[Brightside]

Saw Jonny Hayes saying it was a 2 year course, wonder if it depends on if you do it in one block or distance learning etc

Takes about 18 months. Includes lots of visits to European academies etc.

[Donegal Hibby]

Oh please ****ing no 😧

Smarter than your average.......

[JohnM1875]

Takes about 18 months. Includes lots of visits to European academies etc.

If it is Gray then his coaching team is vital. If he's having to visit European academies etc that'll be during the season I'd imagine? Need the assistant to be continuing training etc.

Have to think that'd rule Daz out seeing as he's doing the pro license as well. Potentially Marv?

Saying that I could be talking balls and it isn't done during the season.

[04Sauzee]

Takes about 18 months. Includes lots of visits to European academies etc.

Marvin Bartley started his in 2023 and is expected to get his pro licence in May 2025.

[Davy Mac]

The high of the investment announcement has long since vanished I'm afraid.

It's now obvious to me that the appointment of MM appears to have completely closed the door of any big name coming in and we'll be stuck with another uninspiring appointment.

We are so ponderous in our approach again, what the fxck is wrong with these people at Hibs?

[Unseen work]

The high of the investment announcement has long since vanished I'm afraid.

It's now obvious to me that the appointment of MM appears to have completely closed the door of any big name coming in and we'll be stuck with another uninspiring appointment.

We are so ponderous in our approach again, what the fxck is wrong with these people at Hibs?

I think some got completely carried away with the money coming into the club and how far it would go.

Hearts have that through European football this season and will sell Shankland for a very good amount. That along with their current investors and already larger wage bill

Aberdeen again have a higher wage bill and have done really well in player sales over the last couple of years and will do so again this summer with Miovski.

My hoping under Mackay/Gray is we cut the squad size right down and go back to basics with our signings by going for proven players and ones that know the Scottish/UK leagues.

Think we’ll see similar to Mathie/Ross signings.

The real bonus will be access to bournemouths database and getting loans for players we normally wouldn’t be able to afford

[Lago]

Wonder if Yogi would want to be Grays assistant.

No idea if they even know each other but Yogi is 60 this year, loads of experience, a Hibs mans and hasn’t had a club in 2 years. Probably unlikely to get another decent gig.

Whether yogi would be capable of just being an assistant and not try take control would be another thing though.
With a sprinkle of....... 😂

[Iain G]

Wonder if Yogi would want to be Grays assistant.

No idea if they even know each other but Yogi is 60 this year, loads of experience, a Hibs mans and hasn’t had a club in 2 years. Probably unlikely to get another decent gig.

Whether yogi would be capable of just being an assistant and not try take control would be another thing though.

Thought Yogi was a Celtic man? 😁

[JohnM1875]

Thought Yogi was a Celtic man? ��

Celtic 'til the age of 15' from the man himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMZo5lg35OI&ab_channel=CelticFC

[CapitalGreen]

EEN: Gray is still among the favourites to be named as Hibs boss, possibly as early as next week, after impressing senior figures at Easter Road with his plans for the first team. He made it on to the short list of contenders being interviewed by new sporting director Malky Mackay. And he’s already given thought to pulling together a backroom staff, should he get the nod.

Good of them to keep up the premise that it’s not already decided until MM officially starts next week.

[Alfred E Newman]

Wonder if Yogi would want to be Grays assistant.

No idea if they even know each other but Yogi is 60 this year, loads of experience, a Hibs mans and hasn’t had a club in 2 years. Probably unlikely to get another decent gig.

Whether yogi would be capable of just being an assistant and not try take control would be another thing though.

Time to get the slippers off.

[K-Zazu]

Gray must be getting it now surely.

[WellingtonHibby]

Time to get the slippers off.

Fast becoming a yogi style "manager school"
Mind when he brought it in 4 goalkeepers for.... reasons

[MWHIBBIES]

A Scottish cup winner who also had Hibs in Europe through a 4th place league finish, i've heard dafter suggestions.

We really are snobbish at times, anyone who achieves any success at the club is completely dissmissed as soon as they have a bad season, and we'd rather take a punt on someone who's done absolutely nothing than give someone longer or another chance.

Yogi started very well but my god, the wheels came off. Defence was horrific, much worse than now. Lost 6 at Motherwell, 5 at st Johnstone, 4 at Hamilton, 4 against Dundee United. Midfield poor. Done a pretty woeful job at replacing any good players who moved. Goalkeeper situation was a joke.

Honestly one of the worst Hibs sides I've seen. 2010/11 was a horrible season. A side utterly without fight or passion and very little ability.

[Trinity Hibee]

Gray must be getting it now surely.

Looks that way

[CapitalGreen]

Gray must be getting it now surely.

:agree:

[JimBHibees]

:agree:

Heard rumour yesterday Murray was getting it. No idea if true

[JimBHibees]

A Scottish cup winner who also had Hibs in Europe through a 4th place league finish, i've heard dafter suggestions.

We really are snobbish at times, anyone who achieves any success at the club is completely dissmissed as soon as they have a bad season, and we'd rather take a punt on someone who's done absolutely nothing than give someone longer or another chance.

Think his experience would be good for someone like Gray. Of course David should be given the opportunity to pick his own people if head coach

[matty_f]

Yogi started very well but my god, the wheels came off. Defence was horrific, much worse than now. Lost 6 at Motherwell, 5 at st Johnstone, 4 at Hamilton, 4 against Dundee United. Midfield poor. Done a pretty woeful job at replacing any good players who moved. Goalkeeper situation was a joke.

Honestly one of the worst Hibs sides I've seen. 2010/11 was a horrible season. A side utterly without fight or passion and very little ability.

Playing away in Europe and starting Colin Nish while Stokes and Riordan were in the bench should have been enough to get his jotters. (if I'm not mis-remembering that!).

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Playing away in Europe and starting Colin Nish while Stokes and Riordan were in the bench should have been enough to get his jotters. (if I'm not mis-remembering that!).

Aye, that didn't go down too well, unlike the monsoon like rain after the game. 🌧️

[Hibiza]

Yogi should have some role with us .

[Bridge hibs]

Yogi should have some role with us .

Couldn't bear him being around the club

Just ****ing kick it Boo Boo

[Tambo]

Mon Hibs, just put us out our misery and announce SDG.

Monday morning maybe?

[Donegal Hibby]

Mon Hibs, just put us out our misery and announce SDG.

Monday morning maybe?

https://youtu.be/k6JJrtHRDwk?si=mKoRMWvQ4QEPll9g. 🤞

[Hibees1973]

Heard rumour yesterday Murray was getting it. No idea if true

Eh, surely a wind up.

[04Sauzee]

I wonder what our average search time for a new manager is?

it's been around 18 days now. Im sure it's normally longer than 18 days.

[JimBHibees]

Eh, surely a wind up.

Would assume he was in the running

[Percy Vere]

This gives me the fear I have to say.
As does Murray.
We need experience now.
Surely there are available experienced managers with credentials that we don't have to pay compensation for ?

[Paul1642]

The thing that has stuck me this time round in Hibs frequent manager hunt is the sheer lack of rumours.

Normally there are a few bigger names who would be a massive result for us, and realistically never going to come, floating about. Then there are a few English managers as well as a terrible choice or two like Keane which get a minority excited and the rest filled with fear.

This time around it just feels like there has been nothing at all. We collectively had our heart set on McInnes and when that rug was pulled very quickly, time has just plodded along with not a single exciting candidate, mo matter how unrealistic, being linked with us.

[NC1875]

This gives me the fear I have to say.
As does Murray.
We need experience now.
Surely there are available experienced managers with credentials that we don't have to pay compensation for ?

Or just admit your previous mistakes and pay the compensation to get the right man for the job.

We are an absolute laughing stock right now and about to appoint a rookie coach to sort the mess.

I’m still in disbelief we’re talking about David Gray and Ian Murray as manager of Hibs. Sad times.

[Percy Vere]

Or just admit your previous mistakes and pay the compensation to get the right man for the job.

We are an absolute laughing stock right now and about to appoint a rookie coach to sort the mess.

I’m still in disbelief we’re talking about David Gray and Ian Murray as manager of Hibs. Sad times.

Absolutely
I keep reading "fans favourite" but he's not the fans favourite for the job.
He is a Hibs legend.
Another misread on this from this board.
We can't afford to mess this up again and either Gray or Murray is a gamble however you look at it.
Hopefully someone comes from left field that we've not heard about.
If he gets it I wish him all the best but it's not a task for a rookie manager.

[Since452]

Or just admit your previous mistakes and pay the compensation to get the right man for the job.

We are an absolute laughing stock right now and about to appoint a rookie coach to sort the mess.

I’m still in disbelief we’re talking about David Gray and Ian Murray as manager of Hibs. Sad times.

If we're going to appoint Gray then we'd have been just as well giving the inexperienced Montgomery more time. It's a bit like, but obviously not as bad as punting Ross and replacing him with Shaun Maloney. Bizarre decision making as usual (if that's what happens).

[bingo70]

If we're going to appoint Gray then we'd have been just as well giving the inexperienced Montgomery more time. It's a bit like, but obviously not as bad as punting Ross and replacing him with Shaun Maloney. Bizarre decision making as usual (if that's what happens).

That would suggest all inexperienced coaches are exactly the same.

Gray wouldn’t be my choice but hopefully if he gets it, it’s because he’s identified all the areas that need improving from within.

If Gray doesn’t get the job, I hope he’s promoted to assistant and is able to help implement the changes he’s identified.

[TrinityHFC]

If we're going to appoint Gray then we'd have been just as well giving the inexperienced Montgomery more time. It's a bit like, but obviously not as bad as punting Ross and replacing him with Shaun Maloney. Bizarre decision making as usual (if that's what happens).

Gray did better in a few games than NM ever did.

As has been shown time and again with appointing managers experience counts for very little. What matters is the job they will do here. Nothing bizarre about if they feel Gray is best placed to be successful. That doesn’t mean it will happen. Same whoever we appoint.

[jeffers]

If we're going to appoint Gray then we'd have been just as well giving the inexperienced Montgomery more time. It's a bit like, but obviously not as bad as punting Ross and replacing him with Shaun Maloney. Bizarre decision making as usual (if that's what happens).

Getting rid of Monty was absolutely the right thing to do. There was nothing to suggest he was going to improve if he was given additional time.

If SDG gets the job after being interviewed by people who weren’t part of any previous appointments then I’ll trust that they believe he is the right man for the job. Not because he’s SDG or because they believe he’s who the fans want.

[Greenworld]

Getting rid of Monty was absolutely the right thing to do. There was nothing to suggest he was going to improve if he was given additional time.

If SDG gets the job after being interviewed by people who weren’t part of any previous appointments then I’ll trust that they believe he is the right man for the job. Not because he’s SDG or because they believe he’s who the fans want.That's the thing Jeffers imagine your on the interview panel.
So David tell us about your managerial experience. " I don't have any"
Ok that sounds good .
" But I was a coach under all these managers you sacked"
Ok that sounds good.
Have you managed any of the younger teams ?
" No sorry"
No it's ok that sounds good.
Football qualifications?
" I'm working on it "
Ok that's great .

It's a bit flipent but you can see where I'm going SDG should not be getting anywhere near the managers job at Hibs .

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[Tambo]

Robinson to Sunderland? According to the BBC gossips he's on the shortlist.

[Northernhibee]

That's the thing Jeffers imagine your on the interview panel.
So David tell us about your managerial experience. " I don't have any"
Ok that sounds good .
" But I was a coach under all these managers you sacked"
Ok that sounds good.
Have you managed any of the younger teams ?
" No sorry"
No it's ok that sounds good.
Football qualifications?
" I'm working on it "
Ok that's great .

It's a bit flipent but you can see where I'm going SDG should not be getting anywhere near the managers job at Hibs .

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“Tell us about what you know of the team, where their strengths and weaknesses lie, what makes them tick, and if you’ve had experiences where you’ve managed in big games like a cup final. “

[jeffers]

That's the thing Jeffers imagine your on the interview panel.
So David tell us about your managerial experience. " I don't have any"
Ok that sounds good .
" But I was a coach under all these managers you sacked"
Ok that sounds good.
Have you managed any of the younger teams ?
" No sorry"
No it's ok that sounds good.
Football qualifications?
" I'm working on it "
Ok that's great .

It's a bit flipent but you can see where I'm going SDG should not be getting anywhere near the managers job at Hibs .

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The points you made will have been brought up at his interview. He needs to have convinced the panel with his answers.

No doubting he’s not got a lot of managerial experience but to say he’s had none isn’t accurate. He’s stepped up a few times and made a difference, without really having the scope to implement everything he’d like.

He’s been around long enough to know what works and what doesn’t. It wasn’t all bad under the managers he’s coached under, in the main Ross did a good job.

The football qualification chat is an unfair criticism imo. He does have some and is working to get his Pro Licence. Someone with better insight than me can probably provide more info but he needs to get other ones first and that takes time. He only stopped playing when Jack Ross was manager. I’m not sure if he could have got them (much) quicker ?

We’ve tried experienced. It’s failed. We’ve tried rookies. It’s also failed. There are no guarantees whoever we appoint will be a success. I want him to get it. I think he’ll prove to be a good appointment, but that will require things to change behind the scenes and that applies to whoever we appoint. Mackay needs to make a big difference.

[LancsHibs]

The points you made will have been brought up at his interview. He needs to have convinced the panel with his answers.

No doubting he’s not got a lot of managerial experience but to say he’s had none isn’t accurate. He’s stepped up a few times and made a difference, without really having the scope to implement everything he’d like.

He’s been around long enough to know what works and what doesn’t. It wasn’t all bad under the managers he’s coached under, in the main Ross did a good job.

The football qualification chat is an unfair criticism imo. He does have some and is working to get his Pro Licence. Someone with better insight than me can probably provide more info but he needs to get other ones first and that takes time. He only stopped playing when Jack Ross was manager. I’m not sure if he could have got them (much) quicker ?

We’ve tried experienced. It’s failed. We’ve tried rookies. It’s also failed. There are no guarantees whoever we appoint will be a success. I want him to get it. I think he’ll prove to be a good appointment, but that will require things to change behind the scenes and that applies to whoever we appoint. Mackay needs to make a big difference.

Hear what you’re saying and can’t say I disagree with any of it but the truth is SDG wouldn’t get past the paper sift (I would imagine) for any other vacant SPL managers job. It’s only because he’s already working in a coaching role at the club and he is such a club legend that he’s being considered. His lack of experience makes me nervous.
Having said that if he gets the gig I will get behind him 100%, especially because of who he is and hope that he further extends his legend status.

[Greenworld]

The points you made will have been brought up at his interview. He needs to have convinced the panel with his answers.

No doubting he’s not got a lot of managerial experience but to say he’s had none isn’t accurate. He’s stepped up a few times and made a difference, without really having the scope to implement everything he’d like.

He’s been around long enough to know what works and what doesn’t. It wasn’t all bad under the managers he’s coached under, in the main Ross did a good job.

The football qualification chat is an unfair criticism imo. He does have some and is working to get his Pro Licence. Someone with better insight than me can probably provide more info but he needs to get other ones first and that takes time. He only stopped playing when Jack Ross was manager. I’m not sure if he could have got them (much) quicker ?

We’ve tried experienced. It’s failed. We’ve tried rookies. It’s also failed. There are no guarantees whoever we appoint will be a success. I want him to get it. I think he’ll prove to be a good appointment, but that will require things to change behind the scenes and that applies to whoever we appoint. Mackay needs to make a big difference.None of of it is intended as critism I really don't want him to be rushed into this position. By all means make him assistant manager/ coach to the next guy that makes sense .
In saying that MM will be there to mentor .
Soon be Monday and hopefully we will know more .

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[Donegal Hibby]

None of of it is intended as critism I really don't want him to be rushed into this position. By all means make him assistant manager/ coach to the next guy that makes sense .
In saying that MM will be there to mentor .
Soon be Monday and hopefully we will know more .

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I don't think he is being rushed into it , he's been a coach now for 3 years at us and has stepped in 4 times to take charge. He has indicated this time he wants the job and says he 100% thinks he can do the job .

[Percy Vere]

That would suggest all inexperienced coaches are exactly the same.

Gray wouldn’t be my choice but hopefully if he gets it, it’s because he’s identified all the areas that need improving from within.

If Gray doesn’t get the job, I hope he’s promoted to assistant and is able to help implement the changes he’s identified.

Good points
assistant would be a great shout

[Percy Vere]

I don't think he is being rushed into it , he's been a coach now for 3 years at us and has stepped in 4 times to take charge. He has indicated this time he wants the job and says he 100% thinks he can do the job .

so what?
he's stood in for a handful of games.
Couldn't get a win at relegated Livi.
He's not got his license.
Id like the job too, does that qualify me?

[Northernhibee]

so what?
he's stood in for a handful of games.
Couldn't get a win at relegated Livi.
He's not got his license.
Id like the job too, does that qualify me?

Have you been a coach with the first team for several years, managed Hibs at a.cup final, and have lots of working knowledge of this league? If so then that might qualify you.

[Percy Vere]

Have you been a coach with the first team for several years, managed Hibs at a.cup final, and have lots of working knowledge of this league? If so then that might qualify you.

He's not qualified and he's not got the experience.
Hope I'm wrong if he gets the job.
would love him to prove me wrong.

[SeanWilson]

“Tell us about what you know of the team, where their strengths and weaknesses lie, what makes them tick, and if you’ve had experiences where you’ve managed in big games like a cup final. “

You can try and spin it any which way you want. It’s a ridiculous appointment, if true. We’ll be sold another pup, which we’ll all just have to suck up and get on with. It may well work out, but it’s another farce of a gamble.

Hibs need the root and branch treatment. Starting again with someone who’s been part of the root cause is bananas. Add to that he literally wouldn’t get a job anywhere else in the league.

[Donegal Hibby]

He's not qualified and he's not got the experience.
Hope I'm wrong if he gets the job.
would love him to prove me wrong.

He's got experience of playing in the English championship , league 1 and 2 as well as playing in the Scottish premier , he's also knows what it's like to both win and lose a cup as well as winning a league.

Over a 120 appearances for us and 3 years coaching which is more than I think Naismith had .

Plenty of experience as a player that will hopefully stand him in good stead as a manager.

Lots of clubs have taken a chance on a first time manager ... Mcinnes at St Johnstone , Naismith at hertz , Howe at Bournemouth , Martindale at Livvy etc .

Nobody knows how it will work out if Gray gets it which is really the same situation whoever we appoint .

I'm surprised though there are some saying it's going to be a bad appointment when they don't really know if it is ! . Anytime he's stepped in he's done pretty well .

We could appoint a lot worse , Watford have a rookie manager that's had roughly near the same games as Gray and he has a win rate of 22% , Grays over 41%.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

That's the thing Jeffers imagine your on the interview panel.
So David tell us about your managerial experience. " I don't have any"
Ok that sounds good .
" But I was a coach under all these managers you sacked"
Ok that sounds good.
Have you managed any of the younger teams ?
" No sorry"
No it's ok that sounds good.
Football qualifications?
" I'm working on it "
Ok that's great .

It's a bit flipent but you can see where I'm going SDG should not be getting anywhere near the managers job at Hibs .

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Collins managerial experience?
Moggas managerial experience (albeit was youth)?

just a tad flippant. And I don’t think that’s remotely how the dialog would go.
For those without experience what are the attributes and how have you demonstrate that you would b a good fit for the job?

leadership through adversity
getting a tune and results out of non-performing team
ability to meet a challenge at short notice with little / no time for prep

command the respect of the dressing room?

[Hibs90]

Wonder if there will be an announcement this week

[Box 17]

Now when we are in a state of disarray we need an experienced manager. Whilst not guaranteed to succeed, and nobody is, it's surely less risky than appointing a rookie.

Gray might be one for the future once he's proved himself in management, but now is not the time.

[sleeping giant]

Wonder if there will be an announcement this week

I would think so. Likely to see a fair bit of movement hopefully.

[B.H.F.C]

I reckon now McKay has “started” the appointment will follow this week.

I don’t think there has been anyone mentioned who is going to generate a particularly positive reaction but we need to get them in position and working ASAP because they have a hell of a challenge.

[oneone73]

the truth is SDG wouldn’t get past the paper sift (I would imagine) for any other vacant SPL managers job

He was offered the Ayr job. But I'm guessing you mean SPFL Premiership?

[joe breezy]

He was offered the Ayr job. But I'm guessing you mean SPFL Premiership?

SPL - Scottish Premier League
It's never meant the Championship or lower divisions

Shows how bored everyone is that the only things to discuss are the pedantry of correctly naming leagues

[ekhibee]

He's got experience of playing in the English championship , league 1 and 2 as well as playing in the Scottish premier , he's also knows what it's like to both win and lose a cup as well as winning a league.

Over a 120 appearances for us and 3 years coaching which is more than I think Naismith had .

Plenty of experience as a player that will hopefully stand him in good stead as a manager.

Lots of clubs have taken a chance on a first time manager ... Mcinnes at St Johnstone , Naismith at hertz , Howe at Bournemouth , Martindale at Livvy etc .

Nobody knows how it will work out if Gray gets it which is really the same situation whoever we appoint .

I'm surprised though there are some saying it's going to be a bad appointment when they don't really know if it is ! . Anytime he's stepped in he's done pretty well .

We could appoint a lot worse , Watford have a rookie manager that's had roughly near the same games as Gray and he has a win rate of 22% , Grays over 41%.

Watford sack their managers even more frequently then we do.

[Donegal Hibby]

Watford sack their managers even more frequently then we do.

Wonder would any decent manager at a club doing reasonable well that has a good relationship with their current board be put off going to a club like us or Watford now abit ? .

[MWHIBBIES]

The level Hibs are at, we're not getting good proven managers. We're getting promising rookies or guys who've been punted a few times.

Hibs are a club that managers prove themselves at.

[The Harp Awakes]

Now when we are in a state of disarray we need an experienced manager. Whilst not guaranteed to succeed, and nobody is, it's surely less risky than appointing a rookie.

Gray might be one for the future once he's proved himself in management, but now is not the time.

I agree. Every new manager appointment is a gamble, but there's gambles and there's gambles. The state we are in, we can't afford to get this appointment wrong. Appointing Gray would be a massive risk bordering on being reckless.

[Donegal Hibby]

You can try and spin it any which way you want. It’s a ridiculous appointment, if true. We’ll be sold another pup, which we’ll all just have to suck up and get on with. It may well work out, but it’s another farce of a gamble.

Hibs need the root and branch treatment. Starting again with someone who’s been part of the root cause is bananas. Add to that he literally wouldn’t get a job anywhere else in the league.

I really don't understand how Gray is part of the root cause ? .

Any manager to a degree is a gamble even a experienced one .

You say it may work out though call it a ridiculous appointment , surely if it works out it's not a ridiculous appointment?.

He probably wouldn't get a job anywhere else in the league as I don't think any of the clubs are looking for a manager at the moment, we are the only one who is I think.

[LeithMike]

He's got experience of playing in the English championship , league 1 and 2 as well as playing in the Scottish premier , he's also knows what it's like to both win and lose a cup as well as winning a league.

Over a 120 appearances for us and 3 years coaching which is more than I think Naismith had .

Plenty of experience as a player that will hopefully stand him in good stead as a manager.

Lots of clubs have taken a chance on a first time manager ... Mcinnes at St Johnstone , Naismith at hertz , Howe at Bournemouth , Martindale at Livvy etc .

Nobody knows how it will work out if Gray gets it which is really the same situation whoever we appoint .

I'm surprised though there are some saying it's going to be a bad appointment when they don't really know if it is ! . Anytime he's stepped in he's done pretty well .

We could appoint a lot worse , Watford have a rookie manager that's had roughly near the same games as Gray and he has a win rate of 22% , Grays over 41%.

St Johnstone, Livingston and, indeed, Bournemouth at the time were all clubs at the time of the appointments that were in lower divisions and/or clubs with lower expectations that were prepared to give manager’s time and let them cut their teeth.

Rightly or wrongly Hibs are not a club like that. Maloney and Montgomery have shown that.

Gray could be good but he’ll have to show it in the first six months or he’ll be gone. What’s the point of that?

Naismith at Hearts is an outlier. He’ll probably come under a lot of pressure this season coming and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him sacked and then for Hearts to go and spend the money to get McInnes.

Hibs should have done all they can to get McInnes, failing which Robinson. Really not convinced we’ve got things right at the club and we’re in for a really difficult couple of seasons.


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[SeanWilson]

I really don't understand how Gray is part of the root cause ? .

Any manager to a degree is a gamble even a experienced one .

You say it may work out though call it a ridiculous appointment , surely if it works out it's not a ridiculous appointment?.

He probably wouldn't get a job anywhere else in the league as I don't think any of the clubs are looking for a manager at the moment, we are the only one who is I think.

Well, I can’t predict the future - it may work out. High probability it won’t, based on the fact he’s not ready to be head coach of this football club.

As for root cause, he’s been part of the staffing group for years of successive failure. I don’t think that can really be disputed. Hibs have hung on to his coat tails as a legend to garner support from folk like you.

Yes, every manager is a gamble, however the gamble should be justified through a reasoned solution. Other than being a club legend, there is no reason for Gray to be anywhere near head coach at hibs just now.

[Allant1981]

He's not qualified and he's not got the experience.
Hope I'm wrong if he gets the job.
would love him to prove me wrong.

He is qualified, it's only his pro he doesnt have and has started that.

[Lago]

The level Hibs are at, we're not getting good proven managers. We're getting promising rookies or guys who've been punted a few times.

Hibs are a club that managers prove themselves at.
Or not as seems to be the case lately

[Donegal Hibby]

Well, I can’t predict the future - it may work out. High probability it won’t, based on the fact he’s not ready to be head coach of this football club.

As for root cause, he’s been part of the staffing group for years of successive failure. I don’t think that can really be disputed. Hibs have hung on to his coat tails as a legend to garner support from folk like you.

Yes, every manager is a gamble, however the gamble should be justified through a reasoned solution. Other than being a club legend, there is no reason for Gray to be anywhere near head coach at hibs just now.

I watched a interview with Ian Murray yesterday in which Murray discussed a large range of stuff , from the owners , players etc .

Interestingly enough he was asked about Potter and Cameron roles at the club were he says they take training after he's set up what way he wants them to do it and they are another pair of eyes who maybe sees something differently to him .

Ultimately it's Murray that makes the decisions though . Grays just the same in he hasn't been making the decision apart from the 4 times he's stepped into the role .

One of the players ( I think Boyle) said he's much more vocal when he's been in the managerial role .

His legend status isn't why I think supporters like me think he might not be a bad candidate for the job , more his experience as a player having played in both England and Scotland were he's probably got a good knowledge of the game and maybe decent contacts too .

He's also knows the club , seems well respected by staff and players . While also doing well when he's been interim manager.

There's quite a few reasons imo why he should be considered and if we decide to give him the job then it's because the club think he's probably the best candidate for the job .

[Callum_62]

He is qualified, it's only his pro he doesnt have and has started that.Is that the qualification that - if you don't have it- you can't manage the team in european competition?

If so, seeing as our goal should be European football I personally would add that license as a basic pre requisite for the job

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[tamig]

Is that the qualification that - if you don't have it- you can't manage the team in european competition?

If so, seeing as our goal should be European football I personally would add that license as a basic pre requisite for the job

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I think the qualifications are a bit of a red-herring personally. No guarantees it will make you as successful as someone who doesn’t have the qualifications. That also extends well beyond football of course.

[Callum_62]

I think the qualifications are a bit of a red-herring personally. No guarantees it will make you as successful as someone who doesn’t have the qualifications. That also extends well beyond football of course.I agree to some extent but if that stops the manger taking the team in european competition it should be a basic requirement imo

I don't think we were quite as open minded on that when it came to Naismith last year

I think the terms "laughing stock" and "tin pot" were probably branded about



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[GloryGlory]

I agree to some extent but if that stops the manger taking the team in european competition it should be a basic requirement imo

I don't think we were quite as open minded on that when it came to Naismith last year

I think the terms "laughing stock" and "tin pot" were probably branded about



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I suggest that could mean Gray looks at getting an assistant in place who already has the pro licence (or is very, very close to getting it). Assuming it's Gray in the first place, of course!

[SeanWilson]

I suggest that could mean Gray looks at getting an assistant in place who already has the pro licence (or is very, very close to getting it). Assuming it's Gray in the first place, of course!

You kind of make the point here though. Why should the assistant be more qualified than the head? When the yams did this, we all pointed and laughed.

[SeanWilson]

I watched a interview with Ian Murray yesterday in which Murray discussed a large range of stuff , from the owners , players etc .

Interestingly enough he was asked about Potter and Cameron roles at the club were he says they take training after he's set up what way he wants them to do it and they are another pair of eyes who maybe sees something differently to him .

Ultimately it's Murray that makes the decisions though . Grays just the same in he hasn't been making the decision apart from the 4 times he's stepped into the role .

One of the players ( I think Boyle) said he's much more vocal when he's been in the managerial role .

His legend status isn't why I think supporters like me think he might not be a bad candidate for the job , more his experience as a player having played in both England and Scotland were he's probably got a good knowledge of the game and maybe decent contacts too .

He's also knows the club , seems well respected by staff and players . While also doing well when he's been interim manager.

There's quite a few reasons imo why he should be considered and if we decide to give him the job then it's because the club think he's probably the best candidate for the job .

I do get all this. I also love the admiration.

I just cannot make any argument for appointing Gray (as it stands with the experience he has) as head coach of Hibernian football club. It’s bat**** mental. Especially given where we currently are as a club.

If it does happen, I’ll be his biggest cheerleader.

[EdinMike]

You can manage a team in Europe if you’re also in the process of completing the license too.

Therefore SDG would be able to take the team if we got a European spot next season. And the course takes on average 20 months.

So let’s put that one to bed.

[Victor]

You can manage a team in Europe if you’re also in the process of completing the license too.

Therefore SDG would be able to take the team if we got a European spot next season. And the course takes on average 20 months.

So let’s put that one to bed.

The license thing is all a bit of bureaucratic nonsense though. Why should you need a license to manage a football team? It’s not like you are operating heavy machinery or making a mistake could cost lives. Just another way for the UEFA hierarchy to line their pockets.

[Hibiza]

Any talk of European qualification is a way off (shouldn't be ) priority has to be getting rid of the dead wood and getting a decent team .

[ruthven_raiders]

Any talk of European qualification is a way off (shouldn't be ) priority has to be getting rid of the dead wood and getting a decent team .

Absolutely, it's rebuilding and hopefully top 6, then kick on next again season...... anything more than that for next season os a bonus...

[CapitalGreen]

Absolutely, it's rebuilding and hopefully top 6, then kick on next again season...... anything more than that for next season os a bonus...

Nonsense, we should be aiming for 4th place as a minimum next season.

Hearts were a Championship club in 2021 and finished 3rd in 2022.
Aberdeen finished 10th in 2022 and finished 3rd in 2023.
Kilmarnock finished 10th in 2023 and finished 4th in 2024.

[GreenCastle]

Absolutely, it's rebuilding and hopefully top 6, then kick on next again season...... anything more than that for next season os a bonus...

Top 4 is the aim every season - 5th and 6th is just crap in this league.

Bottom 6 is total failure.

[Unseen work]

Top 4 is the aim every season - 5th and 6th is just crap in this league.

Bottom 6 is total failure.

5th is in line with our wages paid for players, so based on that it’s exactly where we should be.

What we need to do is be able to take advantage of hearts/aberdeen slipping up and create a big gap from the rest in the league.

It’s rare Aberdeen, hearts and us all have a good season or in line with wages.

[MWHIBBIES]

Nonsense, we should be aiming for 4th place as a minimum next season.

Hearts were a Championship club in 2021 and finished 3rd in 2022.
Aberdeen finished 10th in 2022 and finished 3rd in 2023.
Kilmarnock finished 10th in 2023 and finished 4th in 2024.

Correct. Perfectly possible with some decent signings.

[JohnM1875]

Nonsense, we should be aiming for 4th place as a minimum next season.

Hearts were a Championship club in 2021 and finished 3rd in 2022.
Aberdeen finished 10th in 2022 and finished 3rd in 2023.
Kilmarnock finished 10th in 2023 and finished 4th in 2024.

Point well made and totally agree.

[DIXIHIBS]

5th is in line with our wages paid for players, so based on that it’s exactly where we should be.

What we need to do is be able to take advantage of hearts/aberdeen slipping up and create a big gap from the rest in the league.

It’s rare Aberdeen, hearts and us all have a good season or in line with wages.

Agreed. No idea what dons will be like next season under new manager and hertz have Europe for the first few months so we have to take advantage of that....in theory. The chances of Killie/ST mirren top 5, 2 seasons on the bounce, unlikely. All to play for next season but we need a strong start.

[NC1875]

Nobody knows how it will work out if Gray gets it which is really the same situation whoever we appoint .

I'm surprised though there are some saying it's going to be a bad appointment when they don't really know if it is ! . Anytime he's stepped in he's done pretty well .

We could appoint a lot worse , Watford have a rookie manager that's had roughly near the same games as Gray and he has a win rate of 22% , Grays over 41%.

Anytime he’s stepped in he’s done well ? What about the worst Livi team in god knows how many years ? Apart from that game. And the others he lost ?

Shouting about a 41% win rate when he’s manages about 10 games is a joke.

I admire your optimism but deep down you, I and everyone else know that SDG shouldn’t be anywhere near the Hibs managers job at this moment in time.

It’s laughable. The people running our club are a joke

[JohnM1875]

Anytime he’s stepped in he’s done well ? What about the worst Livi team in god knows how many years ? Apart from that game. And the others he lost ?

Shouting about a 41% win rate when he’s manages about 10 games is a joke.

I admire your optimism but deep down you, I and everyone else know that SDG shouldn’t be anywhere near the Hibs managers job at this moment in time.

It’s laughable. The people running our club are a joke

The game was a complete dead rubber on a pitch that's worse that Porty Pits.

Surely you have to factor in the state of the team and general squad morale for the games he's taken charge of nah? Get you might not want him to get the job, but it's unfair to say he hasn't done good job given the circumstances when called upon.

[JimBHibees]

Anytime he’s stepped in he’s done well ? What about the worst Livi team in god knows how many years ? Apart from that game. And the others he lost ?

Shouting about a 41% win rate when he’s manages about 10 games is a joke.

I admire your optimism but deep down you, I and everyone else know that SDG shouldn’t be anywhere near the Hibs managers job at this moment in time.

It’s laughable. The people running our club are a joke

Not really laughable is it he has been trusted three or four times with the first team and will likely have been judged to have developed in the meantime. Seems a sensible idea to promote from within given his knowledge of squad and capabilities of them especially now having an experienced football man above him.