Next Manager?

[Haymaker]

Why not make Hanson and Stevenson manager and assistant for last two game. Cannot do any worse. Nice send off for two legendsGray Manager, Hanlon and Stevenson AM/C, Griffiths and Deeks as coaches?! Give us the league!! :hyper

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[NGoloGrantie]

Malky mackay new sporting director


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[jeffers]

It’s a great article and Scott Burns is spot on here for a change.

:faf:

[LaMotta]

Decent article that highlights the problems we have.

We need to stop being so precious about what others are saying. We’re in a mess and that story highlights why.


It’s a great article and Scott Burns is spot on here for a change.

Surprised at these comments - there are some truths in the article but it also gets multiple things wrong and misses the key point around Monty's abominable judgement and unsuitability to manage a club like Hibs.

In addition it misses out the most obvious thing he had in his favour, which was the litany of horrendous refereeing decisions that could be argued cost him a top 6 place. Really not a great article.

[JohnM1875]

Malky mackay new sporting director


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Will lead on the next ‘head coach’ appointment

[Tambo]

McInnes or Delia from the names being mentioned so far on here, wonder who Malky will consider and put forward for the job.

[Colr]

David Moyes

[Hibernia&Alba]

David Moyes

Would be great, though wages might be an issue. Isn’t he something like the ninth highest paid manager in the world at West Ham?

[Colr]

Would be great, though wages might be an issue. Isn’t he something like the ninth highest paid manager in the world at West Ham?

I’m willing to put in a fiver.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Would be great, though wages might be an issue. Isn’t he something like the ninth highest paid manager in the world at West Ham?

Somewhere between £4-5m pa.

Probably more chance of Next's Manager from St James Quarter getting the job. 🤭

[Paulie Walnuts]

It’s a great article and Scott Burns is spot on here for a change.

I mean if we ignore the numerous points that are literally not spot on then yes, he’s spot on.

[TrinityHibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nick-montgomery-warned-hibs-mess-32805560

A quite incredible article.

Loads of accusations, no proof and just quite bitter.

Imagine the championship player was Cudjoe.

Funny how he gives Montgomery the credit for Marcondes signing, I’m sure it had nothing to do with the Bournemouth connection…

🤔 not sure I’d claim credit for signing Marcondes as he has been poor more times than decent

[danhibees1875]

When it comes to managers, I typically yern for a bit of time and consistency. Looking back, Jack Ross stands out as someone who should have been given longer. I'd have kept Montgomery and given him the summer and up to new year at least. However, at least the new guy will come in and get summer I suppose - more than Montgomery got.

I was born in 1991, this will be the 20th full time manager to manage us in my life - I've been alive for 20 of our 38 managers as a club.

So fingers crossed the next appointment brings with them the fundamentals to be a manager we can believe in long term regardless of current form and we can get some consistency back.

[joe breezy]

Now that we have Malky McKay I think it makes McInnes more likely.

I can’t imagine McKay communicating with a Spanish manager without raising his voice in English but with a bit of a bad Spanish accent


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[Colr]

Good point here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c3gll21gppgo

[Trinity Hibee]

Now that we have Malky McKay I think it makes McInnes more likely.

I can’t imagine McKay communicating with a Spanish manager without raising his voice in English but with a bit of a bad Spanish accent


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fingers crossed. A football area led by Mackay and mcinnes would be a massive step up for us.

The only thing I’d question is how they would work with kensell and the Gordon’s. I’d hope Mackay and mcinnes would be left to control everything they need to

[flash]

Good point here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c3gll21gppgo

Hopefully the appointment of McKay deals with most of these issues as it looks like it's his job to find our new manager.

[EGL2000]

See Liam Rosenior is down to 12/1 had Hull playing some great stuff and always comes across very well on Sky.

[LaMotta]

Now that we have Malky McKay I think it makes McInnes more likely.

I can’t imagine McKay communicating with a Spanish manager without raising his voice in English but with a bit of a bad Spanish accent


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fingers crossed. A football area led by Mackay and mcinnes would be a massive step up for us.

The only thing I’d question is how they would work with kensell and the Gordon’s. I’d hope Mackay and mcinnes would be left to control everything they need to

McInnes had full control of the footballing dept at Aberdeen, and I think similar at Killie.

If anything the appointment of Mackay makes me think we are less likely to get McInnes unfortunately, unless he would be happy to give up control in certain areas.

[we are hibs]

McInnes had full control of the footballing dept at Aberdeen, and I think similar at Killie.

If anything the appointment of Mackay makes it seem we are less likely to get McInnes unfortuneatly unless he would be happy to give up control in certain areas.I reckon this too. It'll either be a foreign coach or a young coach now I think.

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[Willis1875]

https://x.com/scotsunsport/status/1790662824298995955?s=48&t=tr7swtr94ixMEaw9cCLiAA
Lennon out of the running

[GloryGlory]

https://x.com/scotsunsport/status/1790662824298995955?s=48&t=tr7swtr94ixMEaw9cCLiAA
Lennon out of the running

Was he in the running? Apart from in the heads of a few hack journalists who need to submit copy, any copy.

[Willis1875]

Was he in the running? Apart from in the heads of a few hack journalists who need to submit copy, any copy.

I suppose everybody of that calibre is in the running until it’s whittled down to a shortlist

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

https://x.com/scotsunsport/status/1790662824298995955?s=48&t=tr7swtr94ixMEaw9cCLiAA
Lennon out of the running

Phew

[Donegal Hibby]

Gray Manager, Hanlon and Stevenson AM/C, Griffiths and Deeks as coaches?! Give us the league!! :hyper

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Champions ? :greengrin

[Aldo]

Derek McInnes is the only manger in Scotland I would currently take at the moment.

[Donegal Hibby]

Not that I would be keen though was John Kennedy of Celtic not very much on our list awhile back ? , and with MM now at us could he be a possibility?

[HibeeSince85]

See Liam Rosenior is down to 12/1 had Hull playing some great stuff and always comes across very well on Sky.

The chairman who sacked him did so because of his slow, tippy-tappy football and the Hull fans has some of the same complaints that we did about NM.

If we can't get McInnes then get someone like Biesla who just plays mental football.

[Musselbound]

Decent article that highlights the problems we have.

We need to stop being so precious about what others are saying. We’re in a mess and that story highlights why.

To me it highlights some of the main problems which many fans have been complaining about for years - such as a very dubious signing policy of players who are well below the level required - so I'm surprised a number of posters seem quite defensive about it.

[Musselbound]

Not that I would be keen though was John Kennedy of Celtic not very much on our list awhile back ? , and with MM now at us could he be a possibility?

I'm surprised he hasn't got a managers job by now. Maybe he is happy to be in the background? One thing I would say is I'd be very surprised if Hibs go for a rookie manager at this point but after all the events of yesterday you just never know.

[eastmainsmsh]

Mark fotheringham ?

[Unseen work]

Not that I would be keen though was John Kennedy of Celtic not very much on our list awhile back ? , and with MM now at us could he be a possibility?

He’s got it far too good at Celtic to leave imo.

[Unseen work]

See Liam Rosenior is down to 12/1 had Hull playing some great stuff and always comes across very well on Sky.

I’m sure his dad was quite vocal about Malky Mackay and how dissapointed he was in the LMA

Would be stunned if he joined

[.Sean.]

Mark fotheringham ?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

If we stay in Scotland. It has to be McInnes

Outwith. And I've mentioned him for each appointment since Ross left but how attainable is Ole Gunar Solskjaer? Managed vs us and spoke kindly, friendly/pally with David Gray

[Callum_62]

Mark fotheringham ?For the accent alone, he's out.

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[sleeping giant]

Have to at least ask McInnes.
We would instantly become the media darlings again

[A Hi-Bee]

It aint going to be Neil Lennon, onto bigger things now.
:greengrin

[Haymaker]

Champions ? :greengrin38 games, 38 wins!

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Have to at least ask McInnes.
We would instantly become the media darlings again

Of those who are a realistic option, I would probably ask McInnes first. I think he would be a good fit for Hibs.

[itslegaltender]

Cant see McInnes take the job now Mackay is in place. its going to be someone less experienced than him.

[CapitalGreen]

If we stay in Scotland. It has to be McInnes

Outwith. And I've mentioned him for each appointment since Ross left but how attainable is Ole Gunar Solskjaer? Managed vs us and spoke kindly, friendly/pally with David Gray

I’d be surprised, OGS took Mackay’s job at Cardiff.

[eastmainsmsh]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Lol 😆 🤣 wouldn't rule it out with recent crap we have appointed

[Lago]

He’s got it far too good at Celtic to leave imo.
Celtic 's David Gray

[Gus]

If we stay in Scotland. It has to be McInnes

Outwith. And I've mentioned him for each appointment since Ross left but how attainable is Ole Gunar Solskjaer? Managed vs us and spoke kindly, friendly/pally with David Gray


He's not even in the conversation when other jobs come up eh

I think if David Gray is not given the gig this time he would be better suited to move on if he has aspirations to be a manager. As a coach he has been part of a set up which has seen 4 managers binned

[Broxburn Greens]

Good point here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c3gll21gppgo

That article by Tom English is absolutely bang on the money. Literally everything he wrote in the article I was nodding along with.

[Broxburn Greens]

If we stay in Scotland. It has to be McInnes

Outwith. And I've mentioned him for each appointment since Ross left but how attainable is Ole Gunar Solskjaer? Managed vs us and spoke kindly, friendly/pally with David Gray

Would be an amazing appointment. I just don't see a former Man United manager being interested in the Hibs job.

[ChilliEater]

People forget how inexperienced a manager Montgomery was when he joined. Same as Maloney. It was a recipe for disaster with our inexperienced owners, and it's no surprise LJ did much better than both of them despite not being great himself. That's why a McInnes or a Robinson, two managers with good track records in our league would be a good appointment in my opinion. They'd give this rudderless ship bit of direction. Something to build on.

From the Tom English's BBC article: "Montgomery, Johnson and Maloney had a league points-per-game return of 1.3, 1.3 and 1.26,"

[snedzuk]

Following the craziness of the last few days, I'm not ruling out Oscar Pistorius.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Following the craziness of the last few days, I'm not ruling out Oscar Pistorius.

This story’s got legs…

[A Hi-Bee]

Following the craziness of the last few days, I'm not ruling out Oscar Pistorius.

Who's he, any good and can he run faster with a lion chasing him, I would go for Roy Keane as manager, no messing about.

[Winston Ingram]

Not that I would be keen though was John Kennedy of Celtic not very much on our list awhile back ? , and with MM now at us could he be a possibility?

The board wouldn't survive appointing another rookie. We've tried and failed with the boy that put the cones out for Belgium once a quarter and guy who won a cup in a pub league.

We need someone with a track record of being a manager at a decent level.

[Winston Ingram]

If we stay in Scotland. It has to be McInnes

Outwith. And I've mentioned him for each appointment since Ross left but how attainable is Ole Gunar Solskjaer? Managed vs us and spoke kindly, friendly/pally with David Gray

Why would we want him? Did ok in Norway, but was awful in his other jobs.

[Winston Ingram]

The chairman who sacked him did so because of his slow, tippy-tappy football and the Hull fans has some of the same complaints that we did about NM.

If we can't get McInnes then get someone like Biesla who just plays mental football.

Hull fans were utter devasted they sacked him. They were going tonto

[.Sean.]

This story’s got legs…
Can’t believe you’re slagging someone different, in this day and age. Shame on you

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Can’t believe you’re slagging someone different, in this day and age. Shame on you

Just wait until I’m unveiled as Head Coach…

[K-Zazu]

Derek McInnes is the only manger in Scotland I would currently take at the moment.

I just want the best available. Which is imo Mciness.

[Unseen work]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4035286/amp/Rangers-boss-Mark-Warburton-backs-Malky-Mackay-SFA-job.html

You never know….

Just to further divide the support too 🤣

Actually think he’s a really good manager though

[Crab apple]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4035286/amp/Rangers-boss-Mark-Warburton-backs-Malky-Mackay-SFA-job.html

You never know….

Just to further divide the support too 🤣

Actually think he’s a really good manager though

I'll eat my (magic) hat if this happens.

[SteveHFC]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4035286/amp/Rangers-boss-Mark-Warburton-backs-Malky-Mackay-SFA-job.html

You never know….

Just to further divide the support too 🤣

Actually think he’s a really good manager though

The song must still be sung at all costs if this happens. 🤣

[Since452]

Cant see McInnes take the job now Mackay is in place. its going to be someone less experienced than him.

Not so sure. They are good pals.

[He's here!]

Anyone mooted a return for Stubbsy? Possibly a former Celtic team-mate of Mackay's?

We're in a not dissimilar state to the one he found us in first time round with a bloated, bang average squad that needs a complete overhaul.

[Trinity Hibee]

David Gray 3/1
Derek McInnes 4/1
Scot Gemmill 7/1
Neil Lennon 9/1
Stephen Robinson 9/1
Alex Neil 10/1
Kevin Thomson 10/1
Michael O'Neill 10/1
Scott Brown 10/1
Tommy Elphick 10/1
Damien Duff 12/1
Liam Rosenior 12/1
Paul Lambert 12/1
lan Murray 16/1
Jim Goodwin 16/1
Rhys McCabe 16/1
Ronny Deila 16/1
Scott Parker 16/1

[Paul1642]

David Gray 3/1
Derek McInnes 4/1
Alex Neil 10/1
Ronny Deila 16/1
Scott Parker 16/1

Then only ones on that list who rises a bit of excitement from me with varying amounts. The early odds quite often don’t incident the eventual manger and I’m still thinking if it’s not McInnes then it will be someone very unexpected.

[Mcbizz1998]

I’m starting to think we may be best to just go with Sir David. A man we can all get behind, will work as a coach under MM, and he actually seems to know what he is doing every time we hand him the reigns temporarily.

Seeing the great man doing well for us would be absolutely brilliant.

[Pretty Boy]

I’m starting to think we may be best to just go with Sir David. A man we can all get behind, will work as a coach under MM, and he actually seems to know what he is doing every time we hand him the reigns temporarily.

Seeing the great man doing well for us would be absolutely brilliant.

I'm at the point of thinking we need to give it to Gray.

It's just going to be a cyclical thing if we don't. Every time the job comes up it will be 'just give it to Gray' or 'Gray would have been better' etc etc. If he's a success then happy days, if he flops then we can all move on and know the answer.

Having him in the building but always one step behind the top job sees him swing from scapegoat and culprit to saviour and obvious choice every 6-12 months. Just give him his shot and see how it pans out.

[Unseen work]

I’m starting to think we may be best to just go with Sir David. A man we can all get behind, will work as a coach under MM, and he actually seems to know what he is doing every time we hand him the reigns temporarily.

Seeing the great man doing well for us would be absolutely brilliant.

I just posted this on the other thread;

We’ve won 11 games this season in the league.

Gray has won 2/2 of them.

Under Johnson and Monty our biggest issue this season was the defence. Gray has came in as interim twice and on both occasions got a clean sheet.

Makes you think.

[Iain G]

David Gray 3/1
Derek McInnes 4/1
Scot Gemmill 7/1
Neil Lennon 9/1
Stephen Robinson 9/1
Alex Neil 10/1
Kevin Thomson 10/1
Michael O'Neill 10/1
Scott Brown 10/1
Tommy Elphick 10/1
Damien Duff 12/1
Liam Rosenior 12/1
Paul Lambert 12/1
lan Murray 16/1
Jim Goodwin 16/1
Rhys McCabe 16/1
Ronny Deila 16/1
Scott Parker 16/1

Jimmy Badloss? Scott Parker? Ken Boon? Who made this list up? 🤣

[tug.lismore]

The question is

Is Sir David a "people catcher"?

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[J-C]

SDG not doing his chances any harm after the game tonight, lets see what he does this weekend.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Who would be his assistants? Feel like he'd need experience alongside him

Taff and Doolan?

[raeburnhibs]

I'm at the point of thinking we need to give it to Gray.

It's just going to be a cyclical thing if we don't. Every time the job comes up it will be 'just give it to Gray' or 'Gray would have been better' etc etc. If he's a success then happy days, if he flops then we can all move on and know the answer.

Having him in the building but always one step behind the top job sees him swing from scapegoat and culprit to saviour and obvious choice every 6-12 months. Just give him his shot and see how it pans out.

Not a good idea 10 or 11 games v 731 McInnes has managed? There are NO logical reasons to give David Gray the job and Hibs need to make logical decisions this time

[blackpoolhibs]

I want McInnes, but if we dont get him why not David Gray, every time he gets the job he sets us up well and we look more solid and better prepared.

How many games has he been in charge for, he's not lost many if any? :confused:

[Bridge hibs]

Who was Sir David Grays assistant tonight ?

[ChuckNor]

Give it Gray.

[GreenCastle]

Not a good idea 10 or 11 games v 731 McInnes has managed? There are NO logical reasons to give David Gray the job and Hibs need to make logical decisions this time

Naismith beat Rodgers and McInnes who have a load more games than him.

It’s about our recruitment of players and having a manager who knows how to set up a team to their strengths.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Who was Sir David Grays assistant tonight ?

Daz I think.

[chippy]

I'm at the point of thinking we need to give it to Gray.

It's just going to be a cyclical thing if we don't. Every time the job comes up it will be 'just give it to Gray' or 'Gray would have been better' etc etc. If he's a success then happy days, if he flops then we can all move on and know the answer.

Having him in the building but always one step behind the top job sees him swing from scapegoat and culprit to saviour and obvious choice every 6-12 months. Just give him his shot and see how it pans out.

If Gray wants the Hibs job he needs to leave us and manage a team n the lower
Leagues so we can see what he’s made of

[Musselbound]

Not a good idea 10 or 11 games v 731 McInnes has managed? There are NO logical reasons to give David Gray the job and Hibs need to make logical decisions this time

Knows the club. Knows the players. Knows the league.Gets players such as Boyle performing better and scoring. Can organise a team to keep a clean sheet which we have rarely done all season.

There's a few logical reasons to start with.

[B.H.F.C]

Said it yesterday, but I reckon the chances of Gray getting the job have increased with the appointment of McKay.

I’m still not entirely sure if I want him to get it or not.

[K-Zazu]

I'm at the point of thinking we need to give it to Gray.

It's just going to be a cyclical thing if we don't. Every time the job comes up it will be 'just give it to Gray' or 'Gray would have been better' etc etc. If he's a success then happy days, if he flops then we can all move on and know the answer.

Having him in the building but always one step behind the top job sees him swing from scapegoat and culprit to saviour and obvious choice every 6-12 months. Just give him his shot and see how it pans out.

‘Just give him a shot and see how it pans out’ doesn’t really fill me with much confidence tbh.

[Northernhibee]

‘Just give him a shot and see how it pans out’ doesn’t really fill me with much confidence tbh.

That’s what we do with any manager.

[DinkyTwo]

I'd give it to Gray.

Team always looks solid when he's asked to step in. He's not lost a game yet. Something quite apt and romantic about him and Daz stepping up as Hanlon and Lewis leave the first team.

Fraught with the danger of it all ending in tears of course, but it's Hibs, tears are never very far anyway!

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[DIXIHIBS]

We seem so much more organised and in control in the games he has managed. Too early...maybe, but he has been coaching for a few years now so not a complete novice. He would certainly get more time if we hit the inevitable poor spells. No guarantees whoever we bring in.

[MWHIBBIES]

I'd give it to Gray.

Team always looks solid when he's asked to step in. He's not lost a game yet. Something quite apt and romantic about him and Daz stepping up as Hanlon and Lewis leave the first team.

Fraught with the danger of it all ending in tears of course, but it's Hibs, tears are never very far anyway!

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He's lost a few matches. Won 5. Drawn 2.

[Alex Trager]

I'd give it to Gray.

Team always looks solid when he's asked to step in. He's not lost a game yet. Something quite apt and romantic about him and Daz stepping up as Hanlon and Lewis leave the first team.

Fraught with the danger of it all ending in tears of course, but it's Hibs, tears are never very far anyway!

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He lost the cup final and I’m pretty certain he got beat at Dundee.

[Donegal Hibby]

David Gray 3/1
Tommy Elphick 10/1
Ronny Deila 16/1
Scott Parker 16/1

Only ones that interest me .

[raeburnhibs]

Naismith beat Rodgers and McInnes who have a load more games than him.

It’s about our recruitment of players and having a manager who knows how to set up a team to their strengths.

You can't use one or two examples (which will always happen) to make a point over a much larger dataset of consistent achievement. I'll still take McInnes over Gray and agree with both points above; much better recruitment via Mackay and a team set up by a manager who knows how to do it in this league over 731 games

[tonyrougier123]

Only ones that interest me .

Ronny deila? Did he not make it a slog at Celtic minus us gers and hearts?

[TrinityHFC]

This story’s got legs…

Don’t message that to anyone…

[Unseen work]

I’ve got a feeling it could be Stephen Robinson

Think he’d love a shot at a bigger club.

Think he is the type to galvanise a club and get players playing with passion and for the badge as Mackay said and would be a ‘people catcher’. His teams are well drilled and he is more than confident to deliver a session under pressure. I think he’s young and open enough to be willing to adapt or listen to new ideas aswell as make changes during a game for the positive.

Loads of experience in Scotland and has done very well with St Mirren and Motherwell.

Recruitment is good with guys like Strain, Baccus, O’Hara, Hemming, Kwon etc and tends to sign players used to the league. Also promoted alot of young players in his time, especially at Motherwell

[KazaHibs]

Ole Gunnar Solsjkaer for me

[CapitalGreen]

I’ve got a feeling it could be Stephen Robinson

Think he’d love a shot at a bigger club.

Think he is the type to galvanise a club and get players playing with passion and for the badge as Mackay said and would be a ‘people catcher’. His teams are well drilled and he is more than confident to deliver a session under pressure. I think he’s young and open enough to be willing to adapt or listen to new ideas aswell as make changes during a game for the positive.

Loads of experience in Scotland and has done very well with St Mirren and Motherwell.

Recruitment is good with guys like Strain, Baccus, O’Hara, Hemming, Kwon etc and tends to sign players used to the league. Also promoted alot of young players in his time, especially at Motherwell

It won’t.

[TrinityHFC]

What does everyone make of Ole Gunnar Solsjkaer? Knows David Gray (club will no doubt be keen to keep) and maybe fits the head coach mantra.

No chance.

[Unseen work]

It won’t.

What makes you think/know that?

[Ronniekirk]

I’ve got a feeling it could be Stephen Robinson

Think he’d love a shot at a bigger club.

Think he is the type to galvanise a club and get players playing with passion and for the badge as Mackay said and would be a ‘people catcher’. His teams are well drilled and he is more than confident to deliver a session under pressure. I think he’s young and open enough to be willing to adapt or listen to new ideas aswell as make changes during a game for the positive.

Loads of experience in Scotland and has done very well with St Mirren and Motherwell.

Recruitment is good with guys like Strain, Baccus, O’Hara, Hemming, Kwon etc and tends to sign players used to the league. Also promoted alot of young players in his time, especially at Motherwell
He is happy in Paisley for now so not sure he would move to hibs the way things are but whether the appointment of Malky helps swing it I have no idea but any buddies I have spoken to would be very surprised if he came to us

[CL0762]

After tonight, I’m leaning towards Gray.

It feels eerily similar to 2014 after relegation.

A new era, rebuilt squad under new leadership above the first team.

Gray was the one to kickstart that era and there’s something romantic about him being the one to potentially kickstart this era.

[Victor]

Never thought I would say this, but after last night, SDG must be a front runner. He got a great performance out of players that the last manager obviously didn’t rate. He obviously knows the players, has their respect and above all knows how to set up a winning team. Why gamble?

[California-Hibs]

Never thought I would say this, but after last night, SDG must be a front runner. He got a great performance out of players that the last manager obviously didn’t rate. He obviously knows the players, has their respect and above all knows how to set up a winning team. Why gamble?


Sorry but Gray would be a big gamble. Let's not forget yesterday was a dead rubber for both teams. David has also been part of the defensive coaching set up and look how that's gone.

An absolute forever legend, but it would be an absolutely huge gamble for his first ever job to be the Hibs one.

He won't be appointed anyway.

[ruthven_raiders]

Sorry but Gray would be a big gamble. Let's not forget yesterday was a dead rubber for both teams. David has also been part of the defensive coaching set up and look how that's gone.

An absolute forever legend, but it would be an absolutely huge gamble for his first ever job to be the Hibs one.

He won't be appointed anyway.

A game when nothing is at stake is not one to judge players or potential managers, when pressure was on the players weren't good enough....

[Waxy]

Dont know here as with DG
There’s every chance he would be a really good choice for manager.
I’d just be pretty gutted if he ended up getting sacked as a huge percentage do in the end.
Really dont want that for one of our greatest ever heroes.

[LeithMike]

David Gray would be a mistake. How long would he get if things don’t go well? 3 months? And folk wanted rid of a Montgomery so he wasn’t spending money over the summer before being moved on next summer.

If David Gray wants to be a manager he needs to go somewhere and make his own mistakes. In League 1 or so. If he does well there then let’s take a look.

Interim managers also get decent results as players often try a bit harder/feel a release after previous manager has gone. Barry Robson is a good example of that.

McInnes.


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[B.H.F.C]

There was always going to be a reaction last night. There always is when a manager gets the bullet or a new one comes in.

Even Montgomery, when he came in, got a reaction to start with. Chuck in the emotional side last night as well, it was the most determined we’ve been to keep a clean sheet all season.

I think Gray will be in contention but it would be a huge gamble.

[SteveHFC]

SDG is no more a gamble than any other manager as none of them can guarantee success.

[GreenGray]

Sorry but Gray would be a big gamble. Let's not forget yesterday was a dead rubber for both teams. David has also been part of the defensive coaching set up and look how that's gone.

An absolute forever legend, but it would be an absolutely huge gamble for his first ever job to be the Hibs one.

He won't be appointed anyway.

It has been said numerous times on here that he wasn’t responsible for the defensive coaching.

Also, I wonder how much people think assistant coaches actually have a say? Especially when they are not part of the Head Coach’s existing team.


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[GreenGray]

In football there have been assistants part of ***** coaching staffs that have gone on to be good managers. And on the flip side there have been assistants part of successful teams that were poor managers.

Not sure his work with the previous regimes are sticks to beat him with tbh, he can only do so much as an assistant. Perhaps the reason they failed is they didn’t use him enough? We don’t know really?

[jeffers]

It has been said numerous times on here that he wasn’t responsible for the defensive coaching.

Also, I wonder how much people think assistant coaches actually have a say? Especially when they are not part of the Head Coach’s existing team.


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Doesn’t matter how many times it gets pointed out another poster will come out with the same uninformed pish. Though when he actually gets the chance to manage the side our defensive performance is invariably better…..

[ChuckNor]

How many times does it need to be posted that David Gray wasn’t part of the defensive coaching? That was Sergio, the same man who kept Paul Hanlon out the hibs first 11.

[jeffers]

How many times does it need to be posted that David Gray wasn’t part of the defensive coaching? That was Sergio, the same man who kept Paul Hanlon out the hibs first 11.

You are wasting your time…

[Since452]

How many times does it need to be posted that David Gray wasn’t part of the defensive coaching? That was Sergio, the same man who kept Paul Hanlon out the hibs first 11.

Leave him alone. He spoke five different languages.

[Hiber-nation]

SDG is no more a gamble than any other manager as none of them can guarantee success.

Absolutely. I'd love to know who isn't a gamble.

And this "part of the problem" stuff that folk keep banging on about does my head in. On the coaching side Monty and Sergio were the problem. That's pretty obvious when you see how DG set up his team compared to what happened previously.

[jacomo]

SDG is no more a gamble than any other manager as none of them can guarantee success.


:agree:

His record as caretaker is exceptional.

[jacomo]

Absolutely. I'd love to know who isn't a gamble.

And this "part of the problem" stuff that folk keep banging on about does my head in. On the coaching side Monty and Sergio were the problem. That's pretty obvious when you see how DG set up his team compared to what happened previously.


Same as when Lee Johnson left. SDG changes the team and gets an emphatic result.

[SteveHFC]

Same as when Lee Johnson left. SDG changes the team and gets an emphatic result.

Sometimes the answer to the problem is right in front of you

[Juice-Terry]

Sometimes the answer to the problem is right in front of you

Or in the case of Jeffries, in the club shop.

[ruthven_raiders]

Sometimes the answer to the problem is right in front of you

When the season is finished is a bit different from when the games matter......SDG needs to go out and take a job in the lower leagues or he will end up like another legend and got sacked before he was ready....

[SteveHFC]

Or in the case of Jeffries, in the club shop.

That's the quote I was thinking of

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Does feel a bit "it's now or never" for SDG tbh. Only so many times one man can step in then aside and return to a coaching capacity surely?

There's arguments for and against and I'm not adverse to it but I return to the fact that this is deemed to be a pivotal summer window with a bit more than usual to spend and it feels to me like we need a safe pair of hands to guide that. I.e. McInnes so for that reason, and that reason alone I'm probably edging towards SDG moving on or back in to coaching role

We also have to remember that Barry Robson was appointed after motivating his players following a dismal time and probably the worst Scottish Cup result in the history of the competition

Like I say, pros and cons and one I hope MM doesn't rush in to

[Juice-Terry]

That's the quote I was thinking of
:thumbsup:

[SteveHFC]

Does feel a bit "it's now or never" for SDG tbh. Only so many times one man can step in then aside and return to a coaching capacity surely?

There's arguments for and against and I'm not adverse to it but I return to the fact that this is deemed to be a pivotal summer window with a bit more than usual to spend and it feels to me like we need a safe pair of hands to guide that. I.e. McInnes so for that reason, and that reason alone I'm probably edging towards SDG moving on or back in to coaching role

We also have to remember that Barry Robson was appointed after motivating his players following a dismal time and probably the worst Scottish Cup result in the history of the competition

Like I say, pros and cons and one I hope MM doesn't rush in to

Going by MM interview I would hazard a guess he knows exactly who he wants

[Alfred E Newman]

There was always going to be a reaction last night. There always is when a manager gets the bullet or a new one comes in.

Even Montgomery, when he came in, got a reaction to start with. Chuck in the emotional side last night as well, it was the most determined we’ve been to keep a clean sheet all season.

I think Gray will be in contention but it would be a huge gamble.

Every appointment is a gamble and Gray has to be considered but as with the last two or three managers, eventually when the players don't like what you are asking them to do, they down tools.

[04Sauzee]

Might be a daft question but if MM doesn't officially start work until the 1st of June, are we to expect that we won't start our managerial search until then since he's leading the recruitment?

[we are hibs]

Might be a daft question but if MM doesn't officially start work until the 1st of June, are we to expect that we won't start our managerial search until then since he's leading the recruitment?He's been hanging around the club for a while now so maybe he's already unofficially started. And you'd like to think they were looking at managers the last few weeks given there was a strong likelihood they'd have to make a change after missing top 6

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[SteveHFC]

He's been hanging around the club for a while now so maybe he's already unofficially started. And you'd like to think they were looking at managers the last few weeks given there was a strong likelihood they'd have to make a change after missing top 6

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Time is also not our friend so I would like to think we are maybe further down road than we are letting on

[Paul1642]

SDG is no more a gamble than any other manager as none of them can guarantee success.

I’m not sure that strictly true. No manger can guarantee success but an untested manger clearly has a higher change in getting to wrong than someone like McInness who has managed close to 1000 games with a win% at the level we want.

It doesn’t mean that an untested coach wouldn’t work out but they are certainly more of a gamble.

[Carheenlea]

:agree:

His record as caretaker is exceptional.

If he wins on Sunday, his win percentage would be 50%.

Yes, that would of course only be after 12 games, but it’s enough to start to build a pattern.

Compared to recent others -

Montgomery 32%
Johnson 38%
Maloney 31%
Ross 48%
Heckingbottom 34%
Lennon 47% (one season championship)
Stubbs 58% (championship)
Butcher 20%

Mowbray and Turnbull sit on 48% and the last manager to hit 50% in the top flight was Bob Shankly during his stint from 1965-1969. (Stein previously had 62%)

How David Gray’s stats would look over the courses of a season are subject to debate, but in a modern game where stats are king, his record so far can’t simply be dismissed.

He has to be worthy of serious consideration.

[jeffers]

Time is also not our friend so I would like to think we are maybe further down road than we are letting on

I’m sure we are.

[Smartie]

If he wins on Sunday, his win percentage would be 50%.

Yes, that would of course only be after 12 games, but it’s enough to start to build a pattern.

Compared to recent others -

Montgomery 32%
Johnson 38%
Maloney 31%
Ross 48%
Heckingbottom 34%
Lennon 47% (one season championship)
Stubbs 58% (championship)
Butcher 20%

Mowbray and Turnbull sit on 48% and the last manager to hit 50% in the top flight was Bob Shankly during his stint from 1965-1969. (Stein previously had 62%)

How David Gray’s stats would look over the courses of a season are subject to debate, but in a modern game where stats are king, his record so far can’t simply be dismissed.

He has to be worthy of serious consideration.

...especially considering he's generally picking up the pieces following some sort of chaos.

It's not like he's had a full pre-season with the players and been able to sign the players he wants.

It's actually an astonishingly good record, whilst acknowledging the small sample size.

[Lago]

I’m not sure that strictly true. No manger can guarantee success but an untested manger clearly has a higher change in getting to wrong than someone like McInness who has managed close to 1000 games with a win% at the level we want.

It doesn’t mean that an untested coach wouldn’t work out but they are certainly more of a gamble.
Aberdeen found that out eventually having to recruit a new manager.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How many times does it need to be posted that David Gray wasn’t part of the defensive coaching? That was Sergio, the same man who kept Paul Hanlon out the hibs first 11.

:agree:

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m not sure that strictly true. No manger can guarantee success but an untested manger clearly has a higher change in getting to wrong than someone like McInness who has managed close to 1000 games with a win% at the level we want.

It doesn’t mean that an untested coach wouldn’t work out but they are certainly more of a gamble.

Maybe one that's been at the club along time and knows everything about it is less of a gamble than we think though.

[Paul1642]

Maybe one that's been at the club along time and knows everything about it is less of a gamble than we think though.

I don’t disagree with this and won’t be disappointed if Gray gets the job. If he does get the job he needs to get the full season though unless relegation is a real risk. Giving him the job for 3-4 months is not acceptable to me.

[NAE NOOKIE]

If SDG got the job I would be praying for him to succeed. But in the end he lacks managerial experience to any meaningful degree and he would be just as much of a risk as Maloney or Montgomery were.
You could say he gets the club, but you can say the same for Ian Murray who has done wonders at Raith Rovers ,,, his team work hard and play decent football to the extent I was impressed with them when they played us at the start of the season

OGS .... Brilliant at Molde, but average everywhere else and hasn't managed anyone in over two years. Seems a really nice bloke though.

A few years ago I would have bitten your hand off for Alex Neil, but his decision to leave Sunderland after 5 minutes only to bomb with Stoke was baffling .... Seems to prefer managing in England and I think he would be off at the first half decent offer.

As things stand McInnes is the outstanding candidate and ticks practically every box to manage in this league.

[Hibs90]

Give it to Gray.

Good record as caretaker.
Tactics and set up are good.
Make right changes during games.
Players clearly respect and perform for him.

[Lago]

If SDG got the job I would be praying for him to succeed. But in the end he lacks managerial experience to any meaningful degree and he would be just as much of a risk as Maloney or Montgomery were.
You could say he gets the club, but you can say the same for Ian Murray who has done wonders at Raith Rovers ,,, his team work hard and play decent football to the extent I was impressed with them when they played us at the start of the season

OGS .... Brilliant at Molde, but average everywhere else and hasn't managed anyone in over two years. Seems a really nice bloke though.

A few years ago I would have bitten your hand off for Alex Neil, but his decision to leave Sunderland after 5 minutes only to bomb with Stoke was baffling .... Seems to prefer managing in England and I think he would be off at the first half decent offer.

As things stand McInnes is the outstanding candidate and ticks practically every box to manage in this league.
Agree with all of this, excellent assessment 💯

[raeburnhibs]

If he wins on Sunday, his win percentage would be 50%.

Yes, that would of course only be after 12 games, but it’s enough to start to build a pattern.

Compared to recent others -

Montgomery 32%
Johnson 38%
Maloney 31%
Ross 48%
Heckingbottom 34%
Lennon 47% (one season championship)
Stubbs 58% (championship)
Butcher 20%

Mowbray and Turnbull sit on 48% and the last manager to hit 50% in the top flight was Bob Shankly during his stint from 1965-1969. (Stein previously had 62%)

How David Gray’s stats would look over the courses of a season are subject to debate, but in a modern game where stats are king, his record so far can’t simply be dismissed.

He has to be worthy of serious consideration.

Except 12 games is not enough to start to build a pattern. And its all as a Caretaker where other favourable factors come into play

[Garymcl]

Ok where I’m at is if sdg was given the job and he bombed every man and his dog on this site would lambast the board with “what were you thinking of he had no experience at all of management “ guaranteed , love the guy and think he should definitely be given a place on back room team , at least if job was given to an experienced manager with a decent/good track record like for say Macinnes (not that I’m saying he should be a stick on) you couldn’t point the finger at board for not being ambitious and taking a risk I will back whoever the club appoint

[Greensunshine]

Steven Naismith proves the case that a manager is only as good as the players he has at his disposal.

Hearts are pretty average in most positions all over the park but there are three main reasons they are so consistent.

1. Two top goalkeepers
2. A defence that doesn’t concede many goals.
3. A top top striker banging in goals

Whoever the new Hibs manager is, whether it be Sir David Gray or DM or even Lennon it’s absolutely imperative that we get the player recruitment right or it’ll be the same old story.

[Donegal Hibby]

If SDG got the job I would be praying for him to succeed. But in the end he lacks managerial experience to any meaningful degree and he would be just as much of a risk as Maloney or Montgomery were.
You could say he gets the club, but you can say the same for Ian Murray who has done wonders at Raith Rovers ,,, his team work hard and play decent football to the extent I was impressed with them when they played us at the start of the season

OGS .... Brilliant at Molde, but average everywhere else and hasn't managed anyone in over two years. Seems a really nice bloke though.

A few years ago I would have bitten your hand off for Alex Neil, but his decision to leave Sunderland after 5 minutes only to bomb with Stoke was baffling .... Seems to prefer managing in England and I think he would be off at the first half decent offer.

As things stand McInnes is the outstanding candidate and ticks practically every box to manage in this league.

In all fairness NN he does tick a lot of boxes , no question about that though I watched his Aberdeen team play some really horrible football , even when we played them on numerous there was cynical fouling , time wasting etc .

I think all managers hit a bad run or patch at their clubs at some point and if he did at us playing the way his teams normally do i think that would be something that will have fans turning on him quicker than we all think .

I don't want him as manager though would prefer him over Robinson who I can't stick though would rather Lennon over both .

Honestly think we should look at other options than these in truth .

[TelaStella]

…Kevin Thompson?


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Biggest mistake he done is trying to do the right thing.

Own coaching academy, working for the rangers youth teams and then go and do it on his own at Kelty.

He could have stayed at rangers, had a shot at interim manager etc then got a club much higher up. It’s almost like he’s penalised now for only having done it at Kelty.

Every time I’ve heard him speak since being a manager I think he sounds very impressive.

[Hibdan12]

Got to be Robinson for me. His win percentage at St Mirren this season and his spell at Motherwell is superior to what he have managed on a much larger budget. He knows the league, the team and importantly the players.

He is by no means a flashy appointment but would be consistent and should bring stability to the club which can be built upon.

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[Aldo]

In all fairness NN he does tick a lot of boxes , no question about that though I watched his Aberdeen team play some really horrible football , even when we played them on numerous there was cynical fouling , time wasting etc .

I think all managers hit a bad run or patch at their clubs at some point and if he did at us playing the way his teams normally do i think that would be something that will have fans turning on him quicker than we all think .

I don't want him as manager though would prefer him over Robinson who I can't stick though would rather Lennon over both .

Honestly think we should look at other options than these in truth .

I Wouldn’t care what kind of football we were playing as long as we won matches and they got us moving in the right direction. Competitive,?organised and hard to beat.


Folk have moaned about getting a manager with knowledge/experience of the Scottish game since Ross was sacked and now we have the ideal opportunity to get one in the shape of DM.

Yeah he might not come and yeah he might not be who we are after but I’d really like to think he’s on our radar.

Would you rather win most games playing ugly at times or tippy tappy and win the odd game.

I want points and to win games. End off.

[lugz]

…Kevin Thompson?


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Ooooooft imagine that appointment after the Malky one, wouldn’t be going near Easter Road if KT was manager.

[Aldo]

…Kevin Thompson?


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You’d be as well giving the job to SDG.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Steven Naismith proves the case that a manager is only as good as the players he has at his disposal.

Hearts are pretty average in most positions all over the park but there are three main reasons they are so consistent.

1. Two top goalkeepers
2. A defence that doesn’t concede many goals.
3. A top top striker banging in goals

Whoever the new Hibs manager is, whether it be Sir David Gray or DM or even Lennon it’s absolutely imperative that we get the player recruitment right or it’ll be the same old story.

So the Merricks are average all over the park apart from the 2 goalkeepers, all the defenders and their 30 goal striker.

Absolutely beyond parody.😂

[Donegal Hibby]

I Wouldn’t care what kind of football we were playing as long as we won matches and they got us moving in the right direction. Competitive,?organised and hard to beat.


Folk have moaned about getting a manager with knowledge/experience of the Scottish game since Ross was sacked and now we have the ideal opportunity to get one in the shape of DM.

Yeah he might not come and yeah he might not be who we are after but I’d really like to think he’s on our radar.

Would you rather win most games playing ugly at times or tippy tappy and win the odd game.

I want points and to win games. End off.

Anyone that's wanting McInnes has manager I think isn't too pushed what kind of football we play imo .

Glad you brought up Ross btw because fans were also complaining about the football when he was manager , what would change with that with McInnes as manager ? , I'd say not alot and it might even be worse.

What do I want ? , i want to see Hibs play good football and win matches .

This thing some have about McInnes going to come in and win every week isn't going to happen we'd still lose under him but the thing then is all your left with is his s**** brand of football which i think would even lead to fans turning on him.

He's won 14 this year I think which is only 4 more than he's lost ,year before he won 11 and lost a whopping 20 games.

The let's get Derek McInnes in because everything will be good isn't necessarily a guarantee as much as folk on here make out it is .

If he comes in I'll back him though be prepared for us becoming not very good to watch in the future ��

[random sub]

As much as I love David Gray, I’m not sure he is manager material. I’m sure he has a good football brain but he seems a bit down beat and I’m not sure he would inspire me on a one to one basis.

[Greencore]

Gray could be our Robson.

He's too much of a legend for it to go pear shaped wouldn't want that for him.

[JohnM1875]

Gray could be our Robson.

He's too much of a legend for it to go pear shaped wouldn't want that for him.

Aye, he could be. But even if it did fans still love Sauzee.

It could also go well though, think about that!

I know it's McGeady and he's a wee scrote, but he said he was really impressed with Gray as a coach. He's worked with some good ones in his career. I think how well Gray has done as interim would back his view up.

[Aldo]

Anyone that's wanting McInnes has manager I think isn't too pushed what kind of football we play imo .

Glad you brought up Ross btw because fans were also complaining about the football when he was manager , what would change with that with McInnes as manager ? , I'd say not alot and it might even be worse.

What do I want ? , i want to see Hibs play good football and win matches .

This thing some have about McInnes going to come in and win every week isn't going to happen we'd still lose under him but the thing then is all your left with is his s**** brand of football which i think would even lead to fans turning on him.

He's won 14 this year I think which is only 4 more than he's lost ,year before he won 11 and lost a whopping 20 games.

The let's get Derek McInnes in because everything will be good isn't necessarily a guarantee as much as folk on here make out it is .

If he comes in I'll back him though be prepared for us becoming not very good to watch in the future ��

I want a competitive, hardworking hard to beat team who will win more than they lose.
At this moment in time and this season in particular we have been crap.

Killie are above us in the league, in the Top 6 with more wins than us. I believe they are in Europe.

We are languishing in the bottom 6.

What I would give for more wins than loses, top 6 and European football right now.

I’d take top 6 and European football every single season if it means playing crap football. It really is that easy. I just want Hibs to start winning regularly and take it from there.

I get you don’t want DM but he ticks a helluva lot of boxes for me.

[Gordy M]

I want a competitive, hardworking hard to beat team who will win more than they lose.
At this moment in time and this season in particular we have been crap.

Killie are above us in the league, in the Top 6 with more wins than us. I believe they are in Europe.

We are languishing in the bottom 6.

What I would give for more wins than loses, top 6 and European football right now.

I’d take top 6 and European football every single season if it means playing crap football. It really is that easy. I just want Hibs to start winning regularly and take it from there.

I get you don’t want DM but he ticks a helluva lot of boxes for me.

Yeh we have had an awful season and are bottom 6 but Killi have only won 3 more games than us, and could be 2 by the end of the weekend, playing on that pitch which is a huge advantage. I get why some folk want him but there seems to be this impression that we are going to win loads more games. I just dont see it....and when we dont win games it wont be because we missed a dozen chances.

[heid the baw]

I want a competitive, hardworking hard to beat team who will win more than they lose.
At this moment in time and this season in particular we have been crap.

Killie are above us in the league, in the Top 6 with more wins than us. I believe they are in Europe.

We are languishing in the bottom 6.

What I would give for more wins than loses, top 6 and European football right now.

I’d take top 6 and European football every single season if it means playing crap football. It really is that easy. I just want Hibs to start winning regularly and take it from there.

I get you don’t want DM but he ticks a helluva lot of boxes for me.
Totally agree. He spent last season consolidating premier status. Kicked on this season and got Europe with 2 games to spare.
The boring football thing is a myth. No Scottish teams play swashbuckling football these days, it all comes down to having better players who make fewer mistakes and having them well organised

[Gordy M]

Totally agree. He spent last season consolidating premier status. Kicked on this season and got Europe with 2 games to spare.
The boring football thing is a myth. No Scottish teams play swashbuckling football these days, it all comes down to having better players who make fewer mistakes and having them well organised
See i think this is another Hibs.net myth....he didnt consolidate anything. They missed the relegation play off with a game to spare i think.....to be fair if he did that on purpose he is a better manager than im giving him credit.

[Aldo]

Yeh we have had an awful season and are bottom 6 but Killi have only won 3 more games than us, and could be 2 by the end of the weekend, playing on that pitch which is a huge advantage. I get why some folk want him but there seems to be this impression that we are going to win loads more games. I just dont see it....and when we dont win games it wont be because we missed a dozen chances.

I totally get that but pitch or not they’ve won more than us on a budget far less than us.

I appreciate folks have concerns but there are concerns with every manager.

I’m certain that whoever we get will have pros and cons. I just think he would be less of a gamble at this point in time.

[Bridge hibs]

Daz I think.

Cheers mate 👍

[jeffers]

Funny how some don’t want McInnes cos he doesn’t win enough games and his football will be pish, yet wanted to keep Monty who didn’t win enough games and the football was pish…..

[LeithMike]

Funny how some don’t want McInnes cos he doesn’t win enough games and his football will be pish, yet wanted to keep Monty who didn’t win enough games and the football was pish…..

Yep but I think those fans are far fewer than before. I wanted McInnes when we appointed Maloney but very few were in favour. A couple of turgid years later and i think only a small minority would object.

I can’t believe he’s getting knocked for only winning a couple of games more than us when his budget is far less and he’s played each of the old firm a game more.

I wonder where we would be if we’d appointed McInnes when we appointed Maloney? I suspect we’d have been having a far more exciting and interesting May.

Please get this one right Hibs.


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[jeffers]

Yep but I think those fans are far fewer than before. I wanted McInnes when we appointed Maloney but very few were in favour. A couple of turgid years later and i think only a small minority would object.

I can’t believe he’s getting knocked for only winning a couple of games more than us when his budget is far less and he’s played each of the old firm a game more.

I wonder where we would be if we’d appointed McInnes when we appointed Maloney? I suspect we’d have been having a far more exciting and interesting May.

Please get this one right Hibs.


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:agree: Wanted him then as well.

[Donegal Hibby]

I want a competitive, hardworking hard to beat team who will win more than they lose.
At this moment in time and this season in particular we have been crap.

Killie are above us in the league, in the Top 6 with more wins than us. I believe they are in Europe.

We are languishing in the bottom 6.

What I would give for more wins than loses, top 6 and European football right now.

I’d take top 6 and European football every single season if it means playing crap football. It really is that easy. I just want Hibs to start winning regularly and take it from there.

I get you don’t want DM but he ticks a helluva lot of boxes for me.

That's fair enough reasons why you want , not saying the guys not a good manager . Its just I don't think his teams play a particularly good style of football , it's effective though but not something I'd want to be watching every week .

Who knows maybe I'm the only one on here that thinks that , each to their own opinions though . Wouldn't be much fun if we all thought the same anyhow 👍

[Gordy M]

Funny how some don’t want McInnes cos he doesn’t win enough games and his football will be pish, yet wanted to keep Monty who didn’t win enough games and the football was pish…..

If thats directed at me, fair enough, i thought Montgomery should have been given a bit more time....just like McInnes got at Kilmarnock. But after the 4-0 beating by Aberdeen he had lost too many fans and it was time to go. I have no issues with that. I just think McInnes would be a hard watch. I dont think he is that great a manager. I watched the last 2 games he played against the old firm, im guessing they had about 60 shots against his team. If that was ANY hibs manager he would be getting pelters, and rightly so. I also saw the three games against us, we won one and drew 2....and prob should have won all 3. I just dont see what other are seeing i suppose.

[Since452]

I think McInnes and Jack Ross are very similar. I really rated Ross. Felt he was a good fit and his record stands up against any Hibs manager despite the poor run. In saying that, I think McInnes is an upgrade on Ross. Thats how highly I rate him.

[heid the baw]

See i think this is another Hibs.net myth....he didnt consolidate anything. They missed the relegation play off with a game to spare i think.....to be fair if he did that on purpose he is a better manager than im giving him credit.

Not sure what your definition of consolidation is, but at the end of the season they were still in the same division they started in and avoided the playoffs by 6 points.

[jeffers]

If thats directed at me, fair enough, i thought Montgomery should have been given a bit more time....just like McInnes got at Kilmarnock. But after the 4-0 beating by Aberdeen he had lost too many fans and it was time to go. I have no issues with that. I just think McInnes would be a hard watch. I dont think he is that great a manager. I watched the last 2 games he played against the old firm, im guessing they had about 60 shots against his team. If that was ANY hibs manager he would be getting pelters, and rightly so. I also saw the three games against us, we won one and drew 2....and prob should have won all 3. I just dont see what other are seeing i suppose.

Definitely wasn’t singling any poster out directly was more an observation that I was puzzled that some didn’t want McInnes and their justification was down to the same criticism that a number of us were levelling at Monty, yet they wanted him to get more time.

[Crazyhorse]

Yep but I think those fans are far fewer than before. I wanted McInnes when we appointed Maloney but very few were in favour. A couple of turgid years later and i think only a small minority would object.

I can’t believe he’s getting knocked for only winning a couple of games more than us when his budget is far less and he’s played each of the old firm a game more.

I wonder where we would be if we’d appointed McInnes when we appointed Maloney? I suspect we’d have been having a far more exciting and interesting May.

Please get this one right Hibs.


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We shall see but I would think the MM appointment probably knocks the prospect of McInnes coming on the head. MM will want a coach who implements his strategy I would have thought. McInnes comes across as a powerful independent character who believes he is the boss of the football side.

[LeithMike]

We shall see but I would think the MM appointment probably knocks the prospect of McInnes coming on the head. MM will want a coach who implements his strategy I would have thought. McInnes comes across as a powerful independent character who believes he is the boss of the football side.

Yea, that is my fear.


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[04Sauzee]

David Wagner could be available soon

[04Sauzee]

Reading what Lewis Stevenson has being saying about Gray it does seem likes he's a people catcher and has the respect of the players and staff.

[Unseen work]

Was doing a bit of research into Ian Murray due to the obvious links to us and how he’ll undoubtedly be rumoured.

Found it very interesting that this season Dundee United got promoted on 75 points and Raith finished second with 69 points

For comparisons these are the teams that have won it recently and their points tally

Dundee - 63 points
Kilmarnock - 67 points
Hearts - 57 points ( Only played 27 games instead of 36 due to Covid)
Dundee United - 59 points (28 games played instead of 36)
Ross County - 71 points
St Mirren - 74 points
Hibs - 71 points


Think it goes to show how good a job he has done for Raith despite the comments by some that they have a big budget for the league.

Also the St Mirren spell is brought up a lot, easy to forget that was back in 2015 when he had only managed for a couple of years at Dumbarton. He got the Dumbarton job at the age of 31 and was St Mirren manager in the prem by the age of 34 I think - very young.

Learned a lot since then.

[Greensunshine]

So the Merricks are average all over the park apart from the 2 goalkeepers, all the defenders and their 30 goal striker.

Absolutely beyond parody.😂

What’s actually beyond parody is the fact that you’ve made a huge part of this up to suit your wee narrative of trying to be a clever clogs. Maybe try reading it again!

[Hibs1969]

I want a competitive, hardworking hard to beat team who will win more than they lose.
At this moment in time and this season in particular we have been crap.

Killie are above us in the league, in the Top 6 with more wins than us. I believe they are in Europe.

We are languishing in the bottom 6.

What I would give for more wins than loses, top 6 and European football right now.

I’d take top 6 and European football every single season if it means playing crap football. It really is that easy. I just want Hibs to start winning regularly and take it from there.

I get you don’t want DM but he ticks a helluva lot of boxes for me.

Spot on. All this guff about McInnes being an ex-Rangers man and playing ugly football is just that - guff. He made Aberdeen very competitive and hard to beat, for a while they were tougher to play against at ER than either of the uglies. He’s done a great job with Killie with a smaller squad and a lower budget, he also knows Scottish football inside out so I for one would be delighted if he came to Hibs.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

I’d keep Gray on to continue his development under McKay and a new Head Coach

As impressive as he has been & sounds, I’m not convinced he should be the man with the responsibility of spending the biggest transfer budget we’ve had in years.

Delia a decent shout, but I’m sure Malky will know other options.

[HH81]

I’d keep Gray on to continue his development under McKay and a new Head Coach

As impressive as he has been & sounds, I’m not convinced he should be the man with the responsibility of spending the biggest transfer budget we’ve had in years.

Delia a decent shout, but I’m sure Malky will know other options.

I'd just give it Gray.

Talks well, got results when in charge and seems to have the respect of players.

Get him a good number 2. He can't do any worse than the past 2 managers.

[04Sauzee]

Small market and as always probably a load of rubbish. Latest odds

David Gray 2/1
Derek McInnes 4/1
Scot Gemmill 7/1
Ian Murray 8/1
Tommy Elphick 8/1
Stephen Robinson 9/1
Alex Neil 10/1
Michael O'Neill 10/1
Kevin Thomson 12/1
Liam Rosenior 12/1
Ronny Deila 12/1
Scott Brown 12/1
Damien Duff 16/1
Jim Goodwin 16/1
Rhys McCabe 16/1

[Unseen work]

Small market and as always probably a load of rubbish. Latest odds

David Gray 2/1
Derek McInnes 4/1
Scot Gemmill 7/1
Ian Murray 8/1
Tommy Elphick 8/1
Stephen Robinson 9/1
Alex Neil 10/1
Michael O'Neill 10/1
Kevin Thomson 12/1
Liam Rosenior 12/1
Ronny Deila 12/1
Scott Brown 12/1
Damien Duff 16/1
Jim Goodwin 16/1
Rhys McCabe 16/1

Saw someone mention David Healy which I thought was an interesting shout.

[K-Zazu]

If we had got beat of Motherwell would people be going on about Gray as much? What if we get beat of Livingston on Sunday?

[easty]

If we had got beat of Motherwell would people be going on about Gray as much? What if we get beat of Livingston on Sunday?

Probably not, but we didn't get beat, and Gray was manager.

If we get beat on Sunday it'll not do his chances any good. Livi are a very poor side right now.

[Donegal Hibby]

If we had got beat of Motherwell would people be going on about Gray as much? What if we get beat of Livingston on Sunday?

The flip side to that is what if we play well and have another convincing win on Sunday? .

[Bobby's Cinema]

somewhat surprising stat - Mixu had a higher win% at Kilmarnock than DM.

[K-Zazu]

The flip side to that is what if we play well and have another convincing win on Sunday? .

So are we judging him on 2 dead rubber games then?

[Gordy M]

Totally playing devils advovate but if we were looking to appoint a current caretaker we should also be looking at Peter Leven, who has done a pretty good job with Aberdeen??

[Donegal Hibby]

So are we judging him on 2 dead rubber games then?

I'd imagine we are and taking into account the games he's stepped in to take charge of before too , for what it's worth most times he's came in when we have been leaking goals he seems to have us more organised and we look a better team .

[SHODAN]

somewhat surprising stat - Mixu had a higher win% at Kilmarnock than DM.

Didn't Mixu have them firmly on course for Europe before he took the Finland job?

[easty]

Didn't Mixu have them firmly on course for Europe before he took the Finland job?

Was it Mixu who had that Eremenko at Killie, some player.

[Donegal Hibby]

I'm just after reading Questions & Answers in the EEN , here it is if anyone wants to read it .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-qa-would-mcinnes-be-keen-black-knights-involved-in-manager-search-david-gray-chances-4633016

[Bridge hibs]

Was it Mixu who had that Eremenko at Killie, some player.Was indeed mate, think Mixu signed him the first time but he had 3 spells at Killie, cracking player indeed

Eremenko had two spells in Scotland, plus a little known trial with Celtic in 2006.

But it was fellow Finn Mixu Paatelainen who signed him up for a first deal in Scottish football, bringing him to Kilmarnock on-loan from Ukrainian club FC Metalist Kharkiv.

He returned to his parent club at the end of that season but four years later he was back at Rugby Park for another stint

[He's here!]

Totally playing devils advovate but if we were looking to appoint a current caretaker we should also be looking at Peter Leven, who has done a pretty good job with Aberdeen??

If they hadn't already gone down that road with Robson I'd imagine Aberdeen might be asking why they've gone with the Swedish manager rather than looking closer to home. Yes they're bottom six but Leven's done well.

[Unseen work]

Was doing a bit of research into Ian Murray due to the obvious links to us and how he’ll undoubtedly be rumoured.

Found it very interesting that this season Dundee United got promoted on 75 points and Raith finished second with 69 points

For comparisons these are the teams that have won it recently and their points tally

Dundee - 63 points
Kilmarnock - 67 points
Hearts - 57 points ( Only played 27 games instead of 36 due to Covid)
Dundee United - 59 points (28 games played instead of 36)
Ross County - 71 points
St Mirren - 74 points
Hibs - 71 points


Think it goes to show how good a job he has done for Raith despite the comments by some that they have a big budget for the league.

Also the St Mirren spell is brought up a lot, easy to forget that was back in 2015 when he had only managed for a couple of years at Dumbarton. He got the Dumbarton job at the age of 31 and was St Mirren manager in the prem by the age of 34 I think - very young.

Learned a lot since then.

Following up from this I watched his interview with open goal.

Think he ticks a lot of boxes with how he see’s the game, structure etc

For anyone interested - https://youtu.be/DqDXw791l-A?si=jeNvFlVpARRIRUcL

[Pedantic_Hibee]

What I will say, as controversial as it maybe given they/he owns the club, it should be a binding law at HTC/ER that Ian Gordon relinquishes all and any control of the football operations side of it.

If Mackay is coming in as Sporting Director with a 360 view on the entire footballing operation, his first conversation should be with Ian Gordon, telling him that he can have nothing to do with the recruitment side of it.

I used to subscribe to FourFourTwo magazine and I was a keen player of Football Manager back in the day; that in no way qualifies me to head up a department responsible for recruiting footballers. And neither does attending a few seminars on Talent Identification either.

[we are hibs]

What I will say, as controversial as it maybe given they/he owns the club, it should be a binding law at HTC/ER that Ian Gordon relinquishes all and any control of the football operations side of it.

If Mackay is coming in as Sporting Director with a 360 view on the entire footballing operation, his first conversation should be with Ian Gordon, telling him that he can have nothing to do with the recruitment side of it.

I used to subscribe to FourFourTwo magazine and I was a keen player of Football Manager back in the day; that in no way qualifies me to head up a department responsible for recruiting footballers. And neither does attending a few seminars on Talent Identification either.

I agree with you 100%. It's a simple thing that would put many minds at rest. Whether it's mentioned via the review statement or at the new head coach press conference. A simple:

"Ian Gordon is no longer involved in the recruitment or scouting of players"


He's just simply there to sign off on whatever players Mackay/new head coach/new head of recruitment all agree on.




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[Greenio]

I'd be happy giving it to Gray.

I know the potential risks

Just feel we need as much of Hibs as we can get at Hibs just now and he's that.

So yeah, I want him to get it

[Gordy M]

Wouldnt be hugely against Gray getting the job.....however, i thought with the BK investments that we may be shopping in a slightly higher category of manager and players? Tbh im not sure who that would be but i imagined it would maybe be someone we previously couldnt have afforded?

[GloryGlory]

I'd be happy giving it to Gray.

I know the potential risks

Just feel we need as much of Hibs as we can get at Hibs just now and he's that.

So yeah, I want him to get it

I'm not sure as Hibs have a history of getting promotions from within as disastrously wrong as promotions from outside. The only player I can remember being successful as a manager too is Eddie Turnbull, and he had left and worked as a coach and manager elsewhere for years before he returned to ER.

Pat Stanton, John Blackley and Franck Sauzee just didn't cut the mustard as managers at Hibs after great playing careers.

[HibeeSince85]

If its not McInnes then I'd probably want to give it to SDG.

Mackay will support him plenty so he won't be on his own and get him an experienced assistant/team

[Box 17]

Lets not cloud our judgement with emotion or sentiment. With the downward spiral we appear to be on now is not the time for a rookie manager like SDG. Great to have him in the hotseat at ER one day but first he needs to prove himself at a Stirling Albion or East Fife.

If we are wanting an ex-Hibby then there's Ian Murray or James McPake who have done just that.

[CapitalGreen]

Lets not cloud our judgement with emotion or sentiment. With the downward spiral we appear to be on now is not the time for a rookie manager like SDG. Great to have him in the hotseat at ER one day but first he needs to prove himself at a Stirling Albion or East Fife.

If we are wanting an ex-Hibby then there's Ian Murray or James McPake who have done just that.

How many mangers who have “proved themselves” at East Fife or Stirling have gone on to have a successful career managing in the top flight. It doesn’t prove they are good enough to manage in the top flight, it only proves that they are better than the other managers in the 4th tier.

[Donegal Hibby]

Lets not cloud our judgement with emotion or sentiment. With the downward spiral we appear to be on now is not the time for a rookie manager like SDG. Great to have him in the hotseat at ER one day but first he needs to prove himself at a Stirling Albion or East Fife.

If we are wanting an ex-Hibby then there's Ian Murray or James McPake who have done just that.

I think your doing him a bit of an injustice there in he needs to prove himself at Stirling Albion or East Fife , he's apparently well thought of as a coach. How many of the other Scottish premier managers have started at that sort of level ? .

[HibbyAndy]

I think your doing him a bit of an injustice there in he needs to prove himself at Stirling Albion or East Fife , he's apparently well thought of as a coach. How many of the other Scottish premier managers have started at that sort of level ? .

Craig Levein :greengrin

[Lago]

If he gets it and I'm OK if he does, not wildly enthusiastic, but if he does hopefully he get the time to do the job properly, however based on the last 2 to 3 seasons if there is a bad run the pressure will immediately be on him, cries of why did we appoint a rookie manager etc etc etc. Hibs then rinse and repeat.

[Donegal Hibby]

Craig Levein :greengrin

I meant good ones :greengrin

[mcohibs]

If he gets it and I'm OK if he does, not wildly enthusiastic, but if he does hopefully he get the time to do the job properly, however based on the last 2 to 3 seasons if there is a bad run the pressure will immediately be on him, cries of why did we appoint a rookie manager etc etc etc. Hibs then rinse and repeat.

I think Gray's elevated status as a Hibs legend might actually help him in that regard and he'd be afforded more time by the support.

Take Sauzee as an example - if that was any other manager with no Hibs connection in charge of us then, on that awful run of form, then we'd be screaming for him to be out the door. As it turns out, we still talk over 20 years later about how unfairly he was treated by the club and should have been afforded more time.

Perhaps the board might look at it that way too. Hire someone who already has the goodwill of the fans and the supporters will be more patient.

[HibbyAndy]

I meant good ones :greengrin

I think Michael Oneil started at Cowdenbeath ? Could be wrong , Bix Mixu tae

[Donegal Hibby]

If he gets it and I'm OK if he does, not wildly enthusiastic, but if he does hopefully he get the time to do the job properly, however based on the last 2 to 3 seasons if there is a bad run the pressure will immediately be on him, cries of why did we appoint a rookie manager etc etc etc. Hibs then rinse and repeat.

That's a possibility alright though I do think any manager we appointed if there's a bad run we'll find some reason to question why he got the job or faults with him anyhow.

[Donegal Hibby]

I think Michael Oneil started at Cowdenbeath ? Could be wrong , Bix Mixu tae

I suppose there is a few in the past that have though it's not essential that somebody like Gray has too when you see the likes of Naismith , Kettlewell , Martindale etc . Where did Mcinnes start out ? .

[HibbyAndy]

I suppose there is a few in the past that have though it's not essential that somebody like Gray has too when you see the likes of Naismith , Kettlewell , Martindale etc . Where did Mcinnes start out ? .

Oh i absolutely agree with you mate :agree:

I think Mcinnes took over St.johnstone in the championship

[.Sean.]

Saw someone mention David Healy which I thought was an interesting shout.
😂😂😂😂😂😂

Aye I can see that going down with the section of our support who have a certain shall we say leaning

[Paul1642]

I'm not sure as Hibs have a history of getting promotions from within as disastrously wrong as promotions from outside. The only player I can remember being successful as a manager too is Eddie Turnbull, and he had left and worked as a coach and manager elsewhere for years before he returned to ER.

Pat Stanton, John Blackley and Franck Sauzee just didn't cut the mustard as managers at Hibs after great playing careers.

Fortunately history means nothing in regards to whether or not Gray would work out (which is itself just a hypothetical situation for now).

We also have a history of signing mangers who had a good enough CV to work out at Hibs who never, some of whom then went on to make it elsewhere.

Scott Parker for example has taken two team up form the English Championship which is a much bigger achievement than taking Hibs to 3rd place, yet there would be no guarantee he works out either. Hecky couldn’t keep the Hibs job yet took Sheffield United up.

All good managers start somewhere and in some cases the place they start isn’t at the bottom, Gerrard starting his managerial career at the Huns (can we say that word again) and stopping 10 in a row for example.

Some managers are just the right person for a club at the right time.

I’m not massively for or against Gray getting the job but he’s as good a shout as half the other names being suggested right now. IMO the appointment of Malky Mackay take a chunk of the risk away from appointing Gray as he would be a good man to keep him right.

[Lago]

:agree:
I think Gray's elevated status as a Hibs legend might actually help him in that regard and he'd be afforded more time by the support.

Take Sauzee as an example - if that was any other manager with no Hibs connection in charge of us then, on that awful run of form, then we'd be screaming for him to be out the door. As it turns out, we still talk over 20 years later about how unfairly he was treated by the club and should have been afforded more time.

Perhaps the board might look at it that way too. Hire someone who already has the goodwill of the fans and the supporters will be more patient.

[Donegal Hibby]

Oh i absolutely agree with you mate :agree:

I think Mcinnes took over St.johnstone in the championship

St Johnstone , your right , couldn't remember 👍.

[Paul1642]

I think Gray's elevated status as a Hibs legend might actually help him in that regard and he'd be afforded more time by the support.

Take Sauzee as an example - if that was any other manager with no Hibs connection in charge of us then, on that awful run of form, then we'd be screaming for him to be out the door. As it turns out, we still talk over 20 years later about how unfairly he was treated by the club and should have been afforded more time.

Perhaps the board might look at it that way too. Hire someone who already has the goodwill of the fans and the supporters will be more patient.

Spot on. An element of the fans are fed up right now and Johnston and Montgomery were turned on a lot earlier than was fair IMO. Those against them turned out to be right i suppose but it doesn’t really give a manger much change if element of the support turn on you after less than a dozen games.

Gray would be pretty immune to that, in the same way that some folk on here won’t hear a bad word against Hanlon or Stevenson, and that could be a vital element in how next season goes.

[Onion]

Lets not cloud our judgement with emotion or sentiment. With the downward spiral we appear to be on now is not the time for a rookie manager like SDG. Great to have him in the hotseat at ER one day but first he needs to prove himself at a Stirling Albion or East Fife.

If we are wanting an ex-Hibby then there's Ian Murray or James McPake who have done just that.

Agreed. Now is the time for clear heads, masses of due diligence by folk who know football management, and lots of tough scrutiny by Foley's lot. SDG is the lowest hanging fruit. We did that with Frank S - never again. McInnes should be a no brainer No1 candidate. Failing that, Hibs better get someone with pedigree, ambition and talent.

[Paul1642]

Agreed. Now is the time for clear heads, masses of due diligence by folk who know football management, and lots of tough scrutiny by Foley's lot. SDG is the lowest hanging fruit. We did that with Frank S - never again. McInnes should be a no brainer No1 candidate. Failing that, Hibs better get someone with pedigree, ambition and talent.

Sauzee went from player to manger. Gray has been on the coaching team for years. It’s not the same.

[chrisski33]

Sauzee went from player to manger. Gray has been on the coaching team for years. It’s not the same.

Yet hes been part of the set up thats failed over the last 2 seasons but folk want him as manager? Needs to prove himself over a season at a lower division club before he gets the Hibs gig.

[Donegal Hibby]

Yet hes been part of the set up thats failed over the last 2 seasons but folk want him as manager? Needs to prove himself over a season at a lower division club before he gets the Hibs gig.

So he's probably in a good position in knowing what went wrong under the previous manager's then .

Before the Motherwell game he said that after losing four goals to Aberdeen the defence needed tightening up and we needed to be harder to score against , that's exactly what he's done and not for the first time either.

He has plenty of experience of our league, Europe, cup finals and knows the club better than most . This he needs to prove himself at a lower division isn't necessary as in other managers haven't like Naismith, Mcinnes etc .

[Stonewall]

Yet hes been part of the set up thats failed over the last 2 seasons but folk want him as manager? Needs to prove himself over a season at a lower division club before he gets the Hibs gig.

Probably agree about your second point but I think that when he has done the temporary manager stint he’s changed both the personnel and tactics from the previous managers which suggests he had a different view from the sacked manager.

[Sioux]

I think Gray's elevated status as a Hibs legend might actually help him in that regard and he'd be afforded more time by the support.

Take Sauzee as an example - if that was any other manager with no Hibs connection in charge of us then, on that awful run of form, then we'd be screaming for him to be out the door. As it turns out, we still talk over 20 years later about how unfairly he was treated by the club and should have been afforded more time.

Perhaps the board might look at it that way too. Hire someone who already has the goodwill of the fans and the supporters will be more patient.

So the fans decide who should be manager then?

Aye ok.

[stokesmessiah]

I really would be surprised if SDG gets it. I think after such a sequence of managerial cock ups with experimental managers and with the BK investment, we are much more likely to see some sort of marquee appointment for the managers role.

[CapitalGreen]

I really would be surprised if SDG gets it. I think after such a sequence of managerial cock ups with experimental managers and with the BK investment, we are much more likely to see some sort of marquee appointment for the managers role.

I’m not really sure the BKFC go in for marquee appointments. Their recruitment model is about finding undervalued assets. With Foley’s wealth Bourenmouth could have chucked money at a household name but instead brought in a relative unknown from one of the yoyo clubs in La Liga.

[J-C]

I suppose there is a few in the past that have though it's not essential that somebody like Gray has too when you see the likes of Naismith , Kettlewell , Martindale etc . Where did Mcinnes start out ? .

McInnes was 35 when he took over as manager at St Johnstone, he had no coaching experience prior to this, took over in 2007 and got them promoted to the Premier league in 2009, did ok for someone with no managerial experience eh?

[Crazyhorse]

Sauzee went from player to manger. Gray has been on the coaching team for years. It’s not the same.

I still feel tainted by association in the sacking of Sauzee. Completely irrational I know. I really would have preferred to be relegated that season.
I think I would feel exactly the same if we appointed David and then dumped him. I think he should stay where he is for a few more years.

[Greensunshine]

Agreed. Now is the time for clear heads, masses of due diligence by folk who know football management, and lots of tough scrutiny by Foley's lot. SDG is the lowest hanging fruit. We did that with Frank S - never again. McInnes should be a no brainer No1 candidate. Failing that, Hibs better get someone with pedigree, ambition and talent.

Agree with this.

This is a pivotal time in this clubs history and you mentioned the current downward spiral with some people predicting that relegation could be our next step if we don’t get this right.

McInness all day long for me.

[jacomo]

I still feel tainted by association in the sacking of Sauzee. Completely irrational I know. I really would have preferred to be relegated that season.
I think I would feel exactly the same if we appointed David and then dumped him. I think he should stay where he is for a few more years.



SDG says he’s ready for management. I don’t think he’s going to stay where he is. Probably now or never.

[Paul1642]

So the fans decide who should be manager then?

Aye ok.

Obviously we don’t but our opinion matters and influences the boards decision.

If a manger is performing okay in the boards eyes but the stands are booing him every game and stop attending games the board are likely going to sack him. Take a manager performing to a similar level who the fans love and unanimously call for more time and he will likely hold on a bit longer.

Same with new managers. The board know right now that fan reception to the new manager is very important and aren’t going to go for a Maloney type appointment even if they want to because they know the fans won’t take it. They don’t really have much choice between an experienced coach or Gray.

[Smartie]

I’m sure it’s also been mentioned during our last few managerial appointments that the development of Gray through to the point where he was a candidate for the lead role in future was part of a long term plan.

I get the feeling that Ron and the other Gordons have all felt like he should do it eventually.

Ideally any of our recent incumbents would have stayed longer, been more successful and the transition would have felt more natural in time.

It does feel like it’s now or never though, if he wants it, as has been widely rumoured to be the case.

[Donegal Hibby]

McInnes was 35 when he took over as manager at St Johnstone, he had no coaching experience prior to this, took over in 2007 and got them promoted to the Premier league in 2009, did ok for someone with no managerial experience eh?

Everyone's got to start somewhere . I think a good result tomorrow will certainly give the Hibs board something to think about .

[Mcbizz1998]

Don’t really get the chat about us needing an experienced head only, and that will rule out SDG.

We have had multiple experienced managers who have been complete **** (Heckingbottom? Johnson?!). Whilst Stubbs won the big one and had only ever been a youth coach before that.

And as for SDG being part of the team that’s failed in recent years - he doesn’t appoint these howling managers. When he has had opportunities he has shown himself to have the capabilities to set up a team and win games. I would be happy if we gave him a chance.

[Keith_M]

Saw someone mention David Healy which I thought was an interesting shout.


Only if we decide to arrange an Orange Order parade.

[southern hibby]

I would love DG to come in as assistant manager with the understanding that when the next manager leaves he will take over.

This way he’d have a strong input for which type of players we get, he wouldn’t want to take on a cr@p squad knowing his first job as manager would rest on cr@p players.

He would learn from a manager that could give him pointers etc and maybe just maybe we would have someone to step
Into the managers position that already has an understanding with MM.

GGTTH

[eastmainsmsh]

Big Dunc available?

[J-C]

Obviously we don’t but our opinion matters and influences the boards decision.

If a manger is performing okay in the boards eyes but the stands are booing him every game and stop attending games the board are likely going to sack him. Take a manager performing to a similar level who the fans love and unanimously call for more time and he will likely hold on a bit longer.

Same with new managers. The board know right now that fan reception to the new manager is very important and aren’t going to go for a Maloney type appointment even if they want to because they know the fans won’t take it. They don’t really have much choice between an experienced coach or Gray.

Since when have the board listened to the fans when appointing a manager, if that was the case, Jon Dahl Tomasson would've been signed before Johnson and McInnes before Maloney.

[Paul1642]

Since when have the board listened to the fans when appointing a manager, if that was the case, Jon Dahl Tomasson would've been signed before Johnson and McInnes before Maloney.

He took the Blackburn job just after he was rumoured to be coming to us. He was probably never within our reach.

[Donegal Hibby]

He took the Blackburn job just after he was rumoured to be coming to us. He was probably never within our reach.

Wasn't there rumours of we just couldn't afford him ?, I honestly to wonder if he was a serious candidate tbh . Interesting when after 30 games at Blackburn it was 15 wins and 15 defeats .

[joe breezy]

Duncan Ferguson might be available now Inverness have been relegated


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[joe breezy]

Big Dunc available?

Ah you beat me to it [emoji38]


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[Gordy M]

If we manage a win tomorrow, Derek Mciness, nanager of the year, has won a grand total of 2 more games than Hibs this year....no thanks.

[Unseen work]

If we manage a win tomorrow, Derek Mciness, nanager of the year, has won a grand total of 2 more games than Hibs this year....no thanks.

Much smaller budget though and then playing 5 games in top 6 compared to us in bottom which would count for 3 wins

[Springbank]

If we manage a win tomorrow, Derek Mciness, nanager of the year, has won a grand total of 2 more games than Hibs this year....no thanks.

Manager who has won more games with a fraction of our resources?

That's a yes not a no

That's literally why you'd hire that guy

[Donegal Hibby]

Much smaller budget though and then playing 5 games in top 6 compared to us in bottom which would count for 3 wins

He has a much smaller budget at Killie though if he gets a bigger one at us will he change his approach to how we play compared to how Killie do under him now ? .

[Steve-O]

Wasn't there rumours of we just couldn't afford him ?, I honestly to wonder if he was a serious candidate tbh . Interesting when after 30 games at Blackburn it was 15 wins and 15 defeats .

50% win record is not too shabby

[Steve-O]

David Gray is getting the job.

[Trinity Hibee]

David Gray is getting the job.

You know this or hope?

[Steve-O]

You know this or hope?

Heard a strong rumour.

His saying he’s ready is also very different to his chat the last few times we’ve been in this position.

[Trinity Hibee]

Heard a strong rumour.

His saying he’s ready is also very different to his chat the last few times we’ve been in this position.

👍🏼

[Nicho87]

Whilst David gray is of course a legend

Hadn’t he played for us and was just a coach up and coming

I think we’d be mortified at this

Tin hat on

But I really hope this doesn’t go pear shaped…..again

If we are going down the untried and untested route

We are crying out for an experienced no nonsense appointment

I hope hibs know that the next appointment is crucial

[Alex Trager]

If we manage a win tomorrow, Derek Mciness, nanager of the year, has won a grand total of 2 more games than Hibs this year....no thanks.

What a metric to judge him on.

Firstly we’ve been playing the worst teams in the league for the last 4/5 games, he’s been playing the best teams.

He’s got a budget that is much smaller.

He’s got that club into europe whilst us and the sheep are going to Elgin and the likes.

I’m sure there are plenty weird stats you could use to say ‘no’ to DM if you like, like the classic ‘he’s no beat hibs this season’ - regardless he’s by a mile the best candidate.

[whiskyhibby]

Whilst David gray is of course a legend

Hadn’t he played for us and was just a coach up and coming

I think we’d be mortified at this

Tin hat on

But I really hope this doesn’t go pear shaped…..again

If we are going down the untried and untested route

We are crying out for an experienced no nonsense appointment

I hope hibs know that the next appointment is crucial


Absolutely agree, DG whilst rightly held in high esteem is too much of a gamble at this stage ……I wonder if Jurgen Klopp would fancy 2 years in Edinburgh 🤔😊

[Nicho87]

Absolutely agree, DG whilst rightly held in high esteem is too much of a gamble at this stage ……I wonder if Jurgen Klopp would fancy 2 years in Edinburgh 🤔😊

He’s trying to get away from stress

Wait until he loses to stenhousemuir on the opening group game of the league cup

Liverpool was a walk in the park compared to the rollercoaster of Hibernian

[Steve-O]

Whilst David gray is of course a legend

Hadn’t he played for us and was just a coach up and coming

I think we’d be mortified at this

Tin hat on

But I really hope this doesn’t go pear shaped…..again

If we are going down the untried and untested route

We are crying out for an experienced no nonsense appointment

I hope hibs know that the next appointment is crucial

Difference is that he has Mackay there now to support him and a more experienced assistant could also make a difference.

Our last two trophy-winning managers had no previous managerial experience. Mowbray wasn’t too bad either.

[JohnM1875]

David Gray is getting the job.

Happy if this is true. Might not be a glamorous or exciting appointment for some. But think it’s exactly what we need as a club right now. We’re all over the place.

[Smartie]

Whilst David gray is of course a legend

Hadn’t he played for us and was just a coach up and coming

I think we’d be mortified at this

Tin hat on

But I really hope this doesn’t go pear shaped…..again

If we are going down the untried and untested route

We are crying out for an experienced no nonsense appointment

I hope hibs know that the next appointment is crucial

The “if he hadn’t played for us” stuff though - it’s a bit “auntie’s baws”.

The whole point is that he has played for us and been in our coaching system for years. Advantages he holds, like having a strong opinion right now on who needs kept and who needs binned out of our current squad are near invaluable. If we could be properly planning for next season almost immediately then that would have a huge impact on our prospects for next year.

And having a manager who the fans will naturally want to cut a bit of slack? Again, invaluable. John’s points on longbangers have been valid, even if they feel a bit daft in the aftermath of Monty’s failure. Sooner or later we’re going to need to back someone and not just blame them the second the going gets tough. There may be something beneficial in having someone pretty much every Hibs fan will want to see succeed (only those weirdos who want to be recognised as the first to say “I told you so” won’t).