Next Manager?

[richard_pitts]

Mowbray made mistakes but changed the style of play overnight. Whilst that won’t happen all of the time I don’t think it’s asking much to see a noticeable improvement after 9 months. We aren’t even in the top 6 which suggests we are not improving

I think we are a lot better than the first three games of the season. Livi's only away win, and a pretty rare Motherwell away win were the horrorlights. The silly Spiv didn't exactly kick on from there with Fleetwood either.

[Smartie]

Agree.

You can’t really play counter attacking football against teams that commit very few bodies forward.

I actually think this where so many of our managers have come unstuck.

Those who adapt fastest to the fact that you're mainly having to figure out how to break down the packed defences are the ones most likely to succeed.

[richard_pitts]

I actually think this where so many of our managers have come unstuck.

Those who adapt fastest to the fact that you're mainly having to figure out how to break down the packed defences are the ones most likely to succeed.

You have to move the ball about much faster than we did on Saturday that's for sure

[Donegal Hibby]

It’s not really the case though. Football management is a short term thing if you’re not succesful and that’s the case at pretty much every club. Managers know this.

Watford for example have had 20 managers in 10 years under their current owners. This includes managers that before arriving at Watford had previously managed:

Quique Sanchez Flores - Valencia, Benfica, Atletico Madrid
Walter Mazzari - Inter, Napoli, Sampdoria
Marco Silva - Olympiakos, Sporting Lisbon
Claudio Ranieri - Napoli, Fiorentina, Valencia, Atletico Madrid, Chelsea, Parma, Juventus, Roma, Inter, Monaco, Greece, Leicester
Roy Hodgson - Inter Milan, Liverpool, England
Slaven Bilic - Croatia, Besiktas, West Ham

So they clearly aren’t sitting there struggling to recruit anyone with any decent pedigree despite having nearly 3 times the amount of managers we’ve had in that same period.

I doubt Watford will ever be short of managers who'd take the job tbh , why would they when they are probably guaranteed a nice severance payment eventually due to the scatter gun approach they've had to managers for years .

Since 2001 after Graham Taylor they have had I read in an article 26 managers ( probably more now ) which a mere 6 has lasted 50 or more games .

The list of them you have there is managers that have won the premier league to managers like Marco Silva that's doing well in the premier now to others who have also done well with over a 40 % win rate .

Where has it got them though ? . They are now struggling in 14 position for all the changes they've made.

Comes a point when you wonder is it actually all the managers have been bad or poor or is it maybe the structure of the club and the way it's getting run .

Sincerely hope we aren't going down this road to be honest with you.

[Nicho87]

It took him 5 months to change a failing formation

For that reason alone I’m worried

To stubborn, to dull, to many pish results

Bin now and give the manager a full summer to recruit and train

[CockneyRebel]

It’s not really the case though. Football management is a short term thing if you’re not succesful and that’s the case at pretty much every club. Managers know this.

Watford for example have had 20 managers in 10 years under their current owners. This includes managers that before arriving at Watford had previously managed:

Quique Sanchez Flores - Valencia, Benfica, Atletico Madrid
Walter Mazzari - Inter, Napoli, Sampdoria
Marco Silva - Olympiakos, Sporting Lisbon
Claudio Ranieri - Napoli, Fiorentina, Valencia, Atletico Madrid, Chelsea, Parma, Juventus, Roma, Inter, Monaco, Greece, Leicester
Roy Hodgson - Inter Milan, Liverpool, England and the pinnacle of his career at Crystal Palace
Slaven Bilic - Croatia, Besiktas, West Ham

So they clearly aren’t sitting there struggling to recruit anyone with any decent pedigree despite having nearly 3 times the amount of managers we’ve had in that same period.



Fixed that for you :greengrin

[CockneyRebel]

I doubt Watford will ever be short of managers who'd take the job tbh , why would they when they are probably guaranteed a nice severance payment eventually due to the scatter gun approach they've had to managers for years .

Since 2001 after Graham Taylor they have had I read in an article 26 managers ( probably more now ) which a mere 6 has lasted 50 or more games .

The list of them you have there is managers that have won the premier league to managers like Marco Silva that's doing well in the premier now to others who have also done well with over a 40 % win rate .

Where has it got them though ? . Last time they were in the premier League was about 18 years ago and they are now struggling in 14 position for all the changes they've made.

Comes a point when you wonder is it actually all the managers have been bad or poor or is it maybe the structure of the club and the way it's get run .

Sincerely hope we aren't going down this road to be honest with you.


They were in the Premier League for seasons 17/18, 18/19 and 19/20

[Donegal Hibby]

They were in the Premier League for seasons 17/18, 18/19 and 19/20

Thanks mate , sorted now .:aok:

[Hibees1973]

I would stick with monty
As he's only had one transfer window

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After Saturday and watching the Levein post match interview I've mellowed slightly.

I'll stick with Monty, until 5:00 on Saturday and see where we are then.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I doubt Watford will ever be short of managers who'd take the job tbh , why would they when they are probably guaranteed a nice severance payment eventually due to the scatter gun approach they've had to managers for years .

Since 2001 after Graham Taylor they have had I read in an article 26 managers ( probably more now ) which a mere 6 has lasted 50 or more games .

The list of them you have there is managers that have won the premier league to managers like Marco Silva that's doing well in the premier now to others who have also done well with over a 40 % win rate .

Where has it got them though ? . They are now struggling in 14 position for all the changes they've made.

Comes a point when you wonder is it actually all the managers have been bad or poor or is it maybe the structure of the club and the way it's getting run .

Sincerely hope we aren't going down this road to be honest with you.

In that period they’ve got up to the EPL. So it’s got them somewhere.

I hope we’re going down the route of getting a good manager in. I don’t really care how many sackings that takes, I’ve no interest in keeping a hold of crap ones for no reason other than ‘we can’t keep sacking managers’.

[Winston Ingram]

It took him 5 months to change a failing formation

For that reason alone I’m worried

To stubborn, to dull, to many pish results

Bin now and give the manager a full summer to recruit and train

…and then claimed he changed nothing and was delighted he stuck to his principles in a Hibs Observer interview🥴

[Hibernian Verse]

After Saturday and watching the Levein post match interview I've mellowed slightly.

I'll stick with Monty, until 5:00 on Saturday and see where we are then.

I think that's exactly what the club are doing too

[Since452]

I think we are a lot better than the first three games of the season. Livi's only away win, and a pretty rare Motherwell away win were the horrorlights. The silly Spiv didn't exactly kick on from there with Fleetwood either.

We were pretty crap in those opening three league games granted but sandwiched between them was arguably our best and biggest European result in 30 years over two legs which shows the potential of the squad.

[Centre Hawf]

We were pretty crap in those opening three league games granted but sandwiched between them was arguably our best and biggest European result in 30 years over two legs which shows the potential of the squad.

They two games against Luzern showed what the squad was capable of. We've not seen a hint of that since.

[Donegal Hibby]

In that period they’ve got up to the EPL. So it’s got them somewhere.

I hope we’re going down the route of getting a good manager in. I don’t really care how many sackings that takes, I’ve no interest in keeping a hold of crap ones for no reason other than ‘we can’t keep sacking managers’.

And down again too. Now their below mid table and struggling while having let go some good managers in that time too . As well as people in football thinking they are a complete basket case of a club which they are imo .

Watford are a classic case of how churning through managers when they have problems internally doesn't work out imo.

Surely you recognise that some clubs have bigger issues than just it being a managers fault all the time too ? .

I do care about sacking managers as it can be a costly game especially if your going through one or two a year . How do any of us actually know that a manager is crap though when he's not given time at a club that's been struggling for numerous seasons though? .

[The Modfather]

We were pretty crap in those opening three league games granted but sandwiched between them was arguably our best and biggest European result in 30 years over two legs which shows the potential of the squad.

Ironically enough in a 442 which Montgomery was crucified for.

The Luzern games seem to be the exception this season rather than an indication of what the squad can do. From the part time team away in Europe, whose name escapes me, to last Saturday struggling has been close to the norm. Which for me points to the squad being poor, with a smattering of good players, and in need of yet another rebuild equally as much as we need a new manager IMO.

With the exception of Youan & NMW our bench had no viable options on it at the weekend.

[Smartie]

They two games against Luzern showed what the squad was capable of. We've not seen a hint of that since.

The game at Pittodrie under Gray may not have been a classic but it also showed what we were potentially capable of - dour, defensive competence (with Hanlon, Stevenson and Jeggo all contributing) which we've almost never seen under Monty or since we've decided to move on from using these players.

I know Aberdeen haven't been great this season but it felt telling to me that we had a squad that was capable of doing something like go to Aberdeen and grind out a win, in spite of that squad's deficiencies.

[Paulie Walnuts]

And down again too. Now their below mid table and struggling while having let go some good managers in that time too . As well as people in football thinking they are a complete basket case of a club which they are imo .

Watford are a classic case of how churning through managers when they have problems internally doesn't work out imo.

Surely you recognise that some clubs have bigger issues than just it being a managers fault all the time too ? .

I do care about sacking managers as it can be a costly game especially if your going through one or two a year . How do any of us actually know that a manager is crap though when he's not given time at a club that's been struggling for numerous seasons though? .

How do we know if a manager is crap? I’ve watched near enough a full season of the guff Montgomery has served up.

[Real Emerald]

How do we know if a manager is crap? I’ve watched near enough a full season of the guff Montgomery has served up.

Totally agree, I’ve absolutely no enthusiasm for going these days and I’ve paid to go. It sucks all enjoyment out of football watching his style of play.

[B.H.F.C]

Ironically enough in a 442 which Montgomery was crucified for.

The Luzern games seem to be the exception this season rather than an indication of what the squad can do. From the part time team away in Europe, whose name escapes me, to last Saturday struggling has been close to the norm. Which for me points to the squad being poor, with a smattering of good players, and in need of yet another rebuild equally as much as we need a new manager IMO.

With the exception of Youan & NMW our bench had no viable options on it at the weekend.

For all the criticism of the 442, the record since the switch has resulted in home wins over Dundee, Ross County and Livingston. That’s it. We’ve still chucked in the odd horrendous performance, we’ve still drawn multiple games 2-2 and we still concede crap goals to cross balls. Still don’t think the formation was the biggest issue we have, we’re just no very good full stop. When we played a 433 at the start of the season we were pish. When we play it now, we’re still pretty pish. And in between, we were also largely pish.

[ScottB]

I think we’ve previously established we don’t turnover managers much quicker than anybody else, and ultimately someone will always back themselves to be the one that gets it right.

[Smartie]

Totally agree, I’ve absolutely no enthusiasm for going these days and I’ve paid to go. It sucks all enjoyment out of football watching his style of play.

I’ve not had a season ticket this season (for the first time since 1997, when I still used to go every week),I’ve attended much more sporadically this season but still been now and again, and been going regularly of late.

It’s certainly not a great Hibs side right now but I don’t feel like it’s as abject or hopeless as some people do.

I spend a lot of the first half of games on my phone or blethering to folk I might not have seen for a while but when we spark into life, we can really be quite good to watch.

Maolida’s a rare talent and good to watch. I think ALF is good to watch and when we click for spells, we’re good.

I realise we’re never going to be great for 90 minutes but if we could be good for 40 minutes rather than 20 and reduce the pedestrian drivel from 60 minutes to 30 and have the pretty much acceptable making up the difference then I think we’d be a different proposition re being entertained.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'd imagine next season we will be shopping in a better market, Foley's investment, loans we wont be directly paying for.

Does anyone trust NM to set up the team properly or pick the right players for that system if he stays?

[04Sauzee]

I see Nikolas Gunnarson is in the press today talking up Jimmy Thelin who has been strongly linked with Aberdeen.

Says he’s done a really good job and that the team play a counter attacking style of football which is fast and direct whilst pressing the opposition high up the pitch.

He did say Elsborg deserve credit for giving him time after how his time at the club started, probably something to be said for that..

Must admit when I hear the team counter attacking used with managers for us, Aberdeen or hearts I always think they won’t end up that great as teams normally sit it. Or you invite them into you which the home fans won’t like.
Sure we had press and ex players talking up the likes of Malky Mackay and David Martindale when there was a vacancy at Hibs.

[BoltonHibee]

I'd imagine next season we will be shopping in a better market, Foley's investment, loans we wont be directly paying for.

Does anyone trust NM to set up the team properly or pick the right players for that system if he stays?

It doesn’t matter if we do or don’t, he won’t be here much longer


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[Real Emerald]

I'd imagine next season we will be shopping in a better market, Foley's investment, loans we wont be directly paying for.

Does anyone trust NM to set up the team properly or pick the right players for that system if he stays?

If he suddenly inherited the Man City squad I’m sure he would be very successful in the Scottish Premiership.

He never seems to be able to react to what’s happening on the pitch and 9 times out of 10 his subs make us worse. He also doesn’t come across as very motivational either.

So no I wouldn’t trust him with a bigger budget unless of course it’s the whole Man City squad. 😂

[Since90+2]

It doesn’t matter if we do or don’t, he won’t be here much longer


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I think you might be surprised.

[Donegal Hibby]

I would stick with monty
As he's only had one transfer window

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Me too :aok:. One transfer window isn't enough . Give him the summer one and his first pre season at our club .
Interesting read here I thought .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/exclusive-hibs-boss-future-fan-hurt-quick-fix-4584529

[BoltonHibee]

I think you might be surprised.

There is no way that lad is staying


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[bingo70]

There is no way that lad is staying


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You sound sure.

Is this based on what you’re seeing from him and the team or have you heard something?

[BoltonHibee]

Something I’ve heard ( although I am praying that it’s true). Heard B McD was leaving next month, or that might actually be April as I think I was told in March. Not sure if that is his choice or not, but it was a short term gig anyway. Also heard that Monty was going if we don’t make top 6 and Europe. BK has to act or he is in the **** too. Also got told that Aberdeen were holding on for Michael O’ Neil.

Putting all that aside, and looking at it from a distance. I would expect the Black Knights would be putting in their own DoF, who will have a say on new manager ( amongst other things). The Black Knights are not investing for the good of their health and I would expect the changes to be effected.


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[Unseen work]

I watched an interview recently (although the interview was a while ago) where Bill Foley was speaking about sacking Gary O’Neill which left me with no doubt Montgomery won’t be here.

It was essentially that it wasn’t a hard decision to get rid of him. He acknowledged he done a good job in keeping them up however for the club to grow and climb the league the needed a different type of manager that would play a certain type of football.

Once the guys at Bournemouth identified Iraolo as available it was easy.

I remember O’Neill being sacked being a big shock and everyone thought it was harsh and that they were off their head, but Bournemouth have improved massively since.

I think it will be similar with Montgomery. Acknowledge he’s done ok or even if it’s top 6 and finish 5th that it needs to be better.

[Since90+2]

Something I’ve heard ( although I am praying that it’s true). Heard B McD was leaving next month, or that might actually be April as I think I was told in March. Not sure if that is his choice or not, but it was a short term gig anyway. Also heard that Monty was going if we don’t make top 6 and Europe. BK has to act or he is in the **** too. Also got told that Aberdeen were holding on for Michael O’ Neil.

Putting all that aside, and looking at it from a distance. I would expect the Black Knights would be putting in their own DoF, who will have a say on new manager ( amongst other things). The Black Knights are not investing for the good of their health and I would expect the changes to be effected.


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So you've heard that our DOF, Head Coach and Chief Executive are all on a shoogly peg? You either have contacts at an extremely high level, above CEO level considering you've heard that's one role under threat, or you're just making it up.

[ScottB]

I watched an interview recently (although the interview was a while ago) where Bill Foley was speaking about sacking Gary O’Neill which left me with no doubt Montgomery won’t be here.

It was essentially that it wasn’t a hard decision to get rid of him. He acknowledged he done a good job in keeping them up however for the club to grow and climb the league the needed a different type of manager that would play a certain type of football.

Once the guys at Bournemouth identified Iraolo as available it was easy.

I remember O’Neill being sacked being a big shock and everyone thought it was harsh and that they were off their head, but Bournemouth have improved massively since.

I think it will be similar with Montgomery. Acknowledge he’s done ok or even if it’s top 6 and finish 5th that it needs to be better.

They’d also had an eye on Iraola for some time, and made their move.

I’d be shocked if, having already forked over the cash, that somebody within the BK team hasn’t got an idea of who our next manager could be, transfer targets for the summer etc etc.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

So you've heard that our DOF, Head Coach and Chief Executive are all on a shoogly peg? You either have contacts at an extremely high level, above CEO level considering you've heard that's one role under threat, or you're just making it up.

Shots. Fired.

[Keith_M]

Hansi Flick.... you heard if here first.






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[jeffers]

A lot of assumptions about just how much influence the BK group are going to have despite them not being majority owners and it being stressed at the AGM that they won’t be calling the shots…..

[BoltonHibee]

So you've heard that our DOF, Head Coach and Chief Executive are all on a shoogly peg? You either have contacts at an extremely high level, above CEO level considering you've heard that's one role under threat, or you're just making it up.

Just passing on info I heard. I am not making anything up. Stands to reason if you think about it though.


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[Enolam]

I like the way NM's getting the players to be brave and build from the back but too often we get to the final third and turn back to recycle (especially first half). I want to see us have more of a go earlier in games, hit some from outside the box, get a midfielder taking a chance to break the first line. The season Martin left he was electric, he got the ball and just ran at defenders, he terrified them and and got the atmosphere roaring. We need more of that from him and others. If NM can get those elements in then I'm happy to stick with him for another season, if not he'll need replaced with someone who can.

:hibees

[Dmas]

A lot of assumptions about just how much influence the BK group are going to have despite them not being majority owners and it being stressed at the AGM that they won’t be calling the shots…..

Be in soapy bubble with SFA if they’re seen to be calling the shots as well

[Alex Trager]

Shots. Fired.

Wouldn’t say it’s shots fired. A fair observation to make.

[Unseen work]

What’s the consensus on Rhys McCabe?

Got Airdrie promoted playing good football and now has them in the play off position in the championship in the first year. Surely if he gets them promoted again he’s at least in the conversation should we need a new manager

Only 31 years old but has managed 91 games. At a club without a huge amount of money and has got them promoted and climbing the leagues with a clear style.

I get the age and club he’s managed makes him seem a risk but the lad is clearly a good manager.

[JimBHibees]

What’s the consensus on Rhys McCabe?

Got Airdrie promoted playing good football and now has them in the play off position in the championship in the first year. Surely if he gets them promoted again he’s at least in the conversation should we need a new manager

Only 31 years old but has managed 91 games. At a club without a huge amount of money and has got them promoted and climbing the leagues with a clear style.

I get the age and club he’s managed makes him seem a risk but the lad is clearly a good manager.

He has done very well no doubt. Would think matter of time before he gets offers

[Iain G]

Just passing on info I heard. I am not making anything up. Stands to reason if you think about it though.


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Or big pile of nonsense if you think about it even further! Black Knights will have a voice but the Gordon's are still the owners, BK was their appointment so can't see them sacking him.

[MWHIBBIES]

Bingos Scott Parker shout is probably the most interesting one I’ve seen so far. Managed at a good level, knows Bournemouth well, he’s probably fairly well known by BKFC.

From the names so far suggested, he’d be my pick, especially on the presumption McInnes wouldn’t come. Whether he’d be realistic or not is another thing altogether. He’s not an EPL level manager at this point, he failed in his last job at Bruuge, so I’d think mid table Championship is probably his ceiling, maybe even bottom half. An attractive package and him being given assurances of major backing could see him interested maybe?

Hasn't he won promotion twice? How can mid table championship be his ceiling?

[MWHIBBIES]

What’s the consensus on Rhys McCabe?

Got Airdrie promoted playing good football and now has them in the play off position in the championship in the first year. Surely if he gets them promoted again he’s at least in the conversation should we need a new manager

Only 31 years old but has managed 91 games. At a club without a huge amount of money and has got them promoted and climbing the leagues with a clear style.

I get the age and club he’s managed makes him seem a risk but the lad is clearly a good manager.

He's a Hun so many wouldn't accept him. Think he's way too inexperienced for us yet. We've taken enough risks recently I think.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Hasn't he won promotion twice? How can mid table championship be his ceiling?

I think it will be his ceiling in terms of the clubs that would currently consider him down there. For example, if Leicester were to lose their manager today, I don’t think they’d consider him.

[J-C]

A lot of assumptions about just how much influence the BK group are going to have despite them not being majority owners and it being stressed at the AGM that they won’t be calling the shots…..

I was curious as to how much influence they'd have with their investment, if they have a fair bit then it'll be done behind closed doors so as the SFA can't have a moan, I'm pretty sure they'll want a fair bit of input considering the money they're investing.

[Brightside]

Something I’ve heard ( although I am praying that it’s true). Heard B McD was leaving next month, or that might actually be April as I think I was told in March. Not sure if that is his choice or not, but it was a short term gig anyway. Also heard that Monty was going if we don’t make top 6 and Europe. BK has to act or he is in the **** too. Also got told that Aberdeen were holding on for Michael O’ Neil.

Putting all that aside, and looking at it from a distance. I would expect the Black Knights would be putting in their own DoF, who will have a say on new manager ( amongst other things). The Black Knights are not investing for the good of their health and I would expect the changes to be effected.


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Which breaks all the SFA rules about the previous board still running the club.

[we are hibs]

A lot of assumptions about just how much influence the BK group are going to have despite them not being majority owners and it being stressed at the AGM that they won’t be calling the shots…..

God help us if the current lot are still involved in picking the next manager and running recruitment.

[1875M]

What’s the consensus on Rhys McCabe?

Got Airdrie promoted playing good football and now has them in the play off position in the championship in the first year. Surely if he gets them promoted again he’s at least in the conversation should we need a new manager

Only 31 years old but has managed 91 games. At a club without a huge amount of money and has got them promoted and climbing the leagues with a clear style.

I get the age and club he’s managed makes him seem a risk but the lad is clearly a good manager.


Think he needs another club before a Premiership job. He’s doing really well at the moment but I can’t see him demanding immediate respect if he walked into Hibs, especially from the senior boys, of who some are older and have had a better playing career. In short, I don’t think he’s done enough in the game yet to warrant a job like Hibs but I think he’ll be a shout in a few years if he’s still doing well with a bigger club.

[andrew70]

Think he needs another club before a Premiership job. He’s doing really well at the moment but I can’t see him demanding immediate respect if he walked into Hibs, especially from the senior boys, of who some are older and have had a better playing career. In short, I don’t think he’s done enough in the game yet to warrant a job like Hibs but I think he’ll be a shout in a few years if he’s still doing well with a bigger club.

Where do you expect him to go after Airdrie if not into a Premiership job?

A rub of the green and he could well be in the Prem, with Airdrie, next season. His team were excellent against Raith Rovers last night fwiw.

I think McCabe will be in the Premiership next season either way but very unlikely to be with Hibs.

[1875M]

Where do you expect him to go after Airdrie if not into a Premiership job?

A rub of the green and he could well be in the Prem, with Airdrie, next season. His team were excellent against Raith Rovers last night fwiw.

I think McCabe will be in the Premiership next season either way but very unlikely to be with Hibs.

I agree his Airdrie team have been playing well and are punching above their weight but I just don’t see him walking into a Hibs/Hearts/Aberdeen and getting respect from senior pro’s when the highlight of his managerial career is with Airdrie, no disrespect to them.

[Winston Ingram]

So you've heard that our DOF, Head Coach and Chief Executive are all on a shoogly peg? You either have contacts at an extremely high level, above CEO level considering you've heard that's one role under threat, or you're just making it up.

Tbf, I've heard from numerous people that McDermott's away at the end of the season. There was loads of chat about it at the game on Saturday.

[Centre Hawf]

Where do you expect him to go after Airdrie if not into a Premiership job?

A rub of the green and he could well be in the Prem, with Airdrie, next season. His team were excellent against Raith Rovers last night fwiw.

I think McCabe will be in the Premiership next season either way but very unlikely to be with Hibs.

He's the type of guy you could see someone like Livi taking a punt on to get them back up or at least be in the playoffs area again. He's someone worth keeping an eye on but as has been said I think it's a bit too early for him to come into a Hibs or similar sized club, and I think proposes too much of a risk for a St Johnstone if it was to go wrong.

[JimBHibees]

He's the type of guy you could see someone like Livi taking a punt on to get them back up or at least be in the playoffs area again. He's someone worth keeping an eye on but as has been said I think it's a bit too early for him to come into a Hibs or similar sized club, and I think proposes too much of a risk for a St Johnstone if it was to go wrong.

Yes think Livi most likely

[Mcbizz1998]

Too soon for Ian Murray? Done a good job at Raith and hates hearts, something that has been sorely missing from Hibs of late IMO.

[hibeerealist]

Which breaks all the SFA rules about the previous board still running the club.


Advice, sensible football advice, from a shareholder is NOT running the club!

Our board would be negligent if it ignored advice from such an experienced source - but lets not put s hi t on the table by coming out with that kind o c rap. We have enough on our plate (VAR, refs etc) without our own supporters putting ideas into the heads of the GFA!

[04Sauzee]

Too soon for Ian Murray? Done a good job at Raith and hates hearts, something that has been sorely missing from Hibs of late IMO.

Rhys McCabe is one to keep an eye on in that league. He's one that Hibs might look at being a little young and inexperienced (90+ games in charge) the other risk is that he goes to a bigger club than Airdrie and then he's out of our reach.

[Winston Ingram]

Too soon for Ian Murray? Done a good job at Raith and hates hearts, something that has been sorely missing from Hibs of late IMO.

He's had a few jobs now IIRC so I don't think too soon could be labelled at him. He's been a manager for 12 years and managed 4 clubs.

[CapitalGreen]

Totally agree, I’ve absolutely no enthusiasm for going these days and I’ve paid to go. It sucks all enjoyment out of football watching his style of play.

It’s been boring for coming on 5 years under numerous managers and will continue to be boring under a new manager if they insist on persevering with a playmaker who can’t vary the pace of our play.

[Unseen work]

Does Ian Murray deserve it?

Think Raith have one of the bigger budgets in the league.

Would he be discussed if it wasn’t for the Hibs link?

Genuine question

[Winston Ingram]

Does Ian Murray deserve it?

Think Raith have one of the bigger budgets in the league.

Would he be discussed if it wasn’t for the Hibs link?

Genuine question

I wouldn't appoint him

[Paulie Walnuts]

I wouldn't appoint him

Likewise

[04Sauzee]

Does Ian Murray deserve it?

Think Raith have one of the bigger budgets in the league.

Would he be discussed if it wasn’t for the Hibs link?

Genuine question

Plays good football most of the time.
He's managed 400+ games in football
Worst period was probably at St Mirren years ago when he was still cutting his teeth.

I think if he didn't have Hibs connections he may get talked about more. We have a habit of taking ex Hibs players and expecting them to do well at the club, Hughes and Mixu being examples.

Like I say he's worth discussing although I'm not truly convinced, but I'm at the point where people could make an argument for and against a manager and my brain would be frazzled 😁

[Hamish]

Plays good football most of the time.
He's managed 400+ games in football
Worst period was probably at St Mirren years ago when he was still cutting his teeth.

I think if he didn't have Hibs connections he may get talked about more. We have a habit of taking ex Hibs players and expecting them to do well at the club, Hughes and Mixu being examples.

Like I say he's worth discussing although I'm not truly convinced, but I'm at the point where people could make an argument for and against a manager and my brain would be frazzled 😁


If he did come, he would probably need a new assistant...

[jeffers]

Does Ian Murray deserve it?

Think Raith have one of the bigger budgets in the league.

Would he be discussed if it wasn’t for the Hibs link?

Genuine question

No I don’t think he would. If we appointed a manager with his record who didn’t have the connection I’m fairly confident the reaction would not be favourable. That’s not to say I think he’s a bad manager I just don’t see him as having done enough to merit the Hibs job.

[eastmainsmsh]

Have a feeling that Malky Mackay would be a good Manager for us

[SeanWilson]

Have a feeling that Malky Mackay would be a good Manager for us

why on the basis that we like to appoint absolute pish? The man has done absolutely nothing in football, other than out himself as a racist pig.

[Musselbound]

He's had a few jobs now IIRC so I don't think too soon could be labelled at him. He's been a manager for 12 years and managed 4 clubs.

Agree with that. Experienced now and with a decent track record, he deserves a crack at the Premiership with someone.McCabe is still very young and has made a great start to management but I'd like to see him prove himself for at least another season.

[Since452]

Sometimes managers just come in and are a good fit for that particular club at that particular time. Others just completely fail and then do OK at another club. I don't think there's an exact science to it. Last time i remember having the "good fit" feeling was when Ross came. Murray and Alex Neil are probably the two who would get closest to that feeling at the moment. In my opinion.

I rate Robinson and McInnes very highly but there is a slight question mark for me over both. Can Robinson do it with a bigger club? Could ask the same of Murray of course but there is the Hibs connection. McInnes i think is brilliant but he could split the support from the start over his "style".

I'd be pretty happy with any of the four though.

[bingo70]

Sometimes managers just come in and are a good fit for that particular club at that particular time. Others just completely fail and then do OK at another club. I don't think there's an exact science to it. Last time i remember having the "good fit" feeling was when Ross came. Murray and Alex Neil are probably the two who would get closest to that feeling at the moment. In my opinion.

I rate Robinson and McInnes very highly but there is a slight question mark for me over both. Can Robinson do it with a bigger club? Could ask the same of Murray of course but there is the Hibs connection. McInnes i think is brilliant but he could split the support from the start over his "style".

I'd be pretty happy with any of the four though.

I agree with the first paragraph and it’s why I don’t generally get too angry at the decision makers for failed appointments, even if I do understand the anger. For me, I always wonder if a Guardiola, Klopp, Mourinho etc would be a success at our level or would they get frustrated with players at our level not being at the levels they’re used to? Would they have to dumb down their management style for want of a better phrase? It’s obviously a moot point as we’re not about to get one of them, I just think it shows how difficult it must be to appoint the right manager.

In terms of the next manager, whoever it ends up being there’ll be positive attributes they have that get them the job so I’ll look for them and hope for the best.

[JimBHibees]

If he did come, he would probably need a new assistant...

Why?

[worcesterhibby]

Alex Neil for me. Best option who is available and hopefully within our budget. IMHO

[.Sean.]

If he did come, he would probably need a new assistant...Cause he played for Hearts 20 odd year ago? Ok 😂

[04Sauzee]

A name I mentioned before LJ was a guy called Liam Manning, not sure if we could attract him now
He's currently with Bristol City and they have gained 13 points from the last 18
His win rate at
MK Dons 48.19%
Oxford 48.28
Bristol City 35.48%

He's got a + 71 GD in the games he's managed (143 games)

Worth having a read on him if you have time.

[Unseen work]

A name I mentioned before LJ was a guy called Liam Manning, not sure if we could attract him now
He's currently with Bristol City and they have gained 13 points from the last 18
His win rate at
MK Dons 48.19%
Oxford 48.28
Bristol City 35.48%

He's got a + 71 GD in the games he's managed (143 games)

Worth having a read on him if you have time.

He was one I wanted too, had done a good job at MK Dons and was manager abroad before them.

Was getting alot of praise for style of play and Chris Hogg was his assistant iirc.

[04Sauzee]

He was one I wanted too, had done a good job at MK Dons and was manager abroad before them.

Was getting alot of praise for style of play and Chris Hogg was his assistant iirc.

Hogg was and still is his assistant. Seem to be doing well together.

[Alex Trager]

Rhys McCabe is one to keep an eye on in that league. He's one that Hibs might look at being a little young and inexperienced (90+ games in charge) the other risk is that he goes to a bigger club than Airdrie and then he's out of our reach.

There are only four teams in the country that McCabe could go to that would rule him out of coming here imo.

[04Sauzee]

There are only four teams in the country that McCabe could go to that would rule him out of coming here imo.

Nothing to stop him going down South and quickly making a name for himself tbf

[TrinityHFC]

Which breaks all the SFA rules about the previous board still running the club.

The SFA had the following conditions:

Shareholding from the interested party, Black Knight Football and Entertainment [BKFE], does not exceed 29.99%.

That the agreement with the interested party does not preclude the club from participating in any UEFA competition it qualifies for due to BKFE’s interest in any other clubs.

The SFA isn’t interested in how the Hibs management or board makes decisions.

[Septimus]

Ian Murray and Kevin Thomson. I await the abuse.


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You will get none from me. These are known entities both of whom were good footballers.

[Unseen work]

Derek Mcinnes
Alex Neil
Ronny Deila
Tony Docherty

Docherty is the only one I think would be remotely interested however.

[Stevie Reid]

Derek Mcinnes
Alex Neil
Ronny Deila
Tony Docherty

Docherty is the only one I think would be remotely interested however.

I like Neil, and really wanted him when Ross was sacked. I think he ruled out managing in the SPL at that time, but his stock was higher back then - he needs to rebuild his reputation a bit again, and with the new investment, he might just fancy it.

Presuming McInnes isn’t an option, he’d be my number one choice. Worked miracles at Hamilton, and has a very strong CV from his time down south.

[Unseen work]

I like Neil, and really wanted him when Ross was sacked. I think he ruled out managing in the SPL at that time, but his stock was higher back then - he needs to rebuild his reputation a bit again, and with the new investment, he might just fancy it.

Presuming McInnes isn’t an option, he’d be my number one choice. Worked miracles at Hamilton, and has a very strong CV from his time down south.

Likewise however I just came see him coming back to Scotland.

I find Docherty really impressive when I hear him speak. Sounds like a leader and has done a brilliant job for Dundee, playing good football in the process.

[Stevie Reid]

Likewise however I just came see him coming back to Scotland.

I find Docherty really impressive when I hear him speak. Sounds like a leader and has done a brilliant job for Dundee, playing good football in the process.

Agree about Docherty. Would want to see how he does in his second season before giving him serious consideration for us, but I’ve been very impressed with him thus far.

[LaMotta]

Likewise however I just came see him coming back to Scotland.

I find Docherty really impressive when I hear him speak. Sounds like a leader and has done a brilliant job for Dundee, playing good football in the process.


Agree about Docherty. Would want to see how he does in his second season before giving him serious consideration for us, but I’ve been very impressed with him thus far.

Absolutely astonishing that 2 of our last 3 managers have sounded nothing like a leader and the other one sounded like he swallowed a leadership book but had misinterpreted much of the content.

[bingo70]

Derek Mcinnes
Alex Neil
Ronny Deila
Tony Docherty

Docherty is the only one I think would be remotely interested however.

I’ve warmed to the idea of the need for experience in the next job, not necessarily of Scottish football but just someone with a bit authority about them that can manage up the way into the board room as well as hold a good training session!

I know his team got a thumping today but I wonder if Darren Ferguson would be interested and a good fit?

[Greenbeard]

I’ve warmed to the idea of the need for experience in the next job, not necessarily of Scottish football but just someone with a bit authority about them that can manage up the way into the board room as well as hold a good training session!

I know his team got a thumping today but I wonder if Darren Ferguson would be interested and a good fit?
Pal who is a shareholder at ICT told me this week that they are desperate to get rid of Ferguson. Not up to it.

[Johnny_Leith]

Pal who is a shareholder at ICT told me this week that they are desperate to get rid of Ferguson. Not up to it.

Darren Ferguson is Sir Alex's laddie. Best know for his long stints as Peterborough manager.

Duncan Ferguson, former Hun, Everton and Newcastle striker is ICT manager.

[Stevie Reid]

I’ve warmed to the idea of the need for experience in the next job, not necessarily of Scottish football but just someone with a bit authority about them that can manage up the way into the board room as well as hold a good training session!

I know his team got a thumping today but I wonder if Darren Ferguson would be interested and a good fit?

I’ve hoped Ferguson would get the job in the past when he’s been linked, but I’m not so sure this time round. His teams seem to be involved in loads of high scoring games, so doubtless it would not be boring - but I fear we could continue the flakiness that we’ve shown in recent years.

As an aside, his team have always been a both teams to score favourite of mine, but their failure to hit the net today saw me miss out on £1300 on a ten match BTTS. Would have softened the blow of bottom six, considerably (especially as our game was on my bet)!

[Stuart93]

I’ve warmed to the idea of the need for experience in the next job, not necessarily of Scottish football but just someone with a bit authority about them that can manage up the way into the board room as well as hold a good training session!

I know his team got a thumping today but I wonder if Darren Ferguson would be interested and a good fit?

Please god no

Another manger who’s achieved next to nothing down south

[zitelli62]

There's a good manager in league 1 in England his team started the season with an 8 point deduction but now have 56 points and he's scottish and he knows the scottish game as that seems to be the criteria but unfortunately he's out our price range his name is shaun maloney.

[Lancs Harp]

There's a good manager in league 1 in England his team started the season with an 8 point deduction but now have 56 points and he's scottish and he knows the scottish game as that seems to be the criteria but unfortunately he's out our price range his name is shaun maloney.

Managed in Scotland before and failed. English League 1 is a pub league anyway :)

[BH1875]

I’ve always been against mcinnes but I am all for him now. This whole myth about hibs playing exciting attacking football is a joke. We have never played like that. I would rather play boring football but actually win unlike now playing boring football and losing. GGTTH

[Unseen work]

I’ve always been against mcinnes but I am all for him now. This whole myth about hibs playing exciting attacking football is a joke. We have never played like that. I would rather play boring football but actually win unlike now playing boring football and losing. GGTTH

Yep, we’ve played ‘good’ football about 5 of the last 20 years

[andrew70]

I’ve always been against mcinnes but I am all for him now. This whole myth about hibs playing exciting attacking football is a joke. We have never played like that. I would rather play boring football but actually win unlike now playing boring football and losing. GGTTH

I am the same as you. Never wanted him but now we have to go all out and get him.

Thing is it’s a bit of a myth that his teams are boring.

Fair enough he usually goes 3 5 2 but his wing backs are usually wingers like Armstrong (who we should be trying for) and Matty Kennedy (remember him).

We wouldn’t be losing soft goals like today under McInnes.

However we’ve got to remember he turned Rangers down to stay at Aberdeen so would he even touch us.

[BH1875]

Yep, we’ve played ‘good’ football about 5 of the last 20 years

That many? No chance

[Trinity Hibee]

Mcinnes is my first choice but given we’ve passed him up before and he’s now got Europe with Killie it won’t be happening. Alex Neil is an interesting choice with good contacts. Would feel confident with him

[sean04]

It depends on how much influence bill foley has. I think he will want a foreign manager like he's appointed at Bournemouth

[Heisenberg]

Mcinnes is my first choice but given we’ve passed him up before and he’s now got Europe with Killie it won’t be happening. Alex Neil is an interesting choice with good contacts. Would feel confident with him

I thought Neil would be a stick on for Aberdeen but not even sure they spoke to him, maybe doesn’t want to come back up to Scotland. He’d probably be top of my list.

[JohnM1875]

I've been so against McInnes before, but been thinking about it since last night and I think we should go for him.

If the Black Knights are involved though, which I think they will be, I can't see us going for him.

[Pretty Boy]

I think with us moving into a new phase of investment and ownership you minimise risk to get that off the to the right start. It might be a bit unglamorous for some but that means a McInness or Robinson. Guys who have proven that they can work to or exceed the budget given to them. Guys who have proven they can deliver a degree of success, relative to their targets, in this league. Both have a failure on their CV as well so it's not a cast iron guarantee of success but it's as close as you will get in Scotland and inarguably minimises the gamble/risk with a new appointment.

There is a time and a place for a hot prospect from Uzbekistan or a rehabilitation job for a guy coming off a failure or 2 down south but I'm not convinced this is that time. It's time for stability and a guy who will get a new project off to the best possible start.

[1875M]

McInnes, Robinson, Neil. In that order. We cannot afford to get this appointment wrong. We need a steady pair of hands. If that comes with not the most attractive football in the world but we get results, I’m ok with that.

[Alex Trager]

I think with us moving into a new phase of investment and ownership you minimise risk to get that off the to the right start. It might be a bit unglamorous for some but that means a McInness or Robinson. Guys who have proven that they can work to or exceed the budget given to them. Guys who have proven they can deliver a degree of success, relative to their targets, in this league. Both have a failure on their CV as well so it's not a cast iron guarantee of success but it's as close as you will get in Scotland and inarguably minimises the gamble/risk with a new appointment.

There is a time and a place for a hot prospect from Uzbekistan or a rehabilitation job for a guy coming off a failure or 2 down south but I'm not convinced this is that time. It's time for stability and a guy who will get a new project off to the best possible start.
It simply has to be McInnes.

They have got to offer him everything they possibly can.

He will drive standards up at the club.

If he wants new scouts, guve him them. If he wants a new DoF give him it.

Give him the biggest wages we have ever given a manager.

The club cannot accept this.

[Pretty Boy]

It simply has to be McInnes.

They have got to offer him everything they possibly can.

He will drive standards up at the club.

If he wants new scouts, guve him them. If he wants a new DoF give him it.

Give him the biggest wages we have ever given a manager.

The club cannot accept this.

I just think if you had given him this squad between January and yesterday he would have got top 6 by whatever means. That instantly puts you in a stronger position for prepping going forward.

He inherited a Killie team that were far from out of the promotion race but they were huffing and puffing and he got them up by hook or by crook. It definitely wasn't pretty but it was achieving a short term goal as part of a longer term aim. This season he's led a squad built on a fraction of the budget we have to a top 6 finish with, as it stands, 12 points more than us and with a 16 point swing in terms of goal difference (and only scoring one less than our much vaunted front line). So goals going forward and solid at the back, that's the dream right?

I want McInness, I think he would be a success here. If it's not him then fair enough but it would be utter stupidity to not even consider him as an option.

He's arguably reached the pinnacle of where he can take Killie and might fancy a new challenge. On the flip side he seems a loyal sort and might fancy a crack at Europe with them. I wouldn't blame him one but if he looked at Hibs right now and said 'no thanks'.

[Alex Trager]

I just think if you had given him this squad between January and yesterday he would have got top 6 by whatever means. That instantly puts you in a stronger position for prepping going forward.

He inherited a Killie team that were far from out of the promotion race but they were huffing and puffing and he got them up by hook or by crook. It definitely wasn't pretty but it was achieving a short term goal as part of a longer term aim. This season he's led a squad built on a fraction of the budget we have to a top 6 finish with, as it stands, 12 points more than us and with a 16 point swing in terms of goal difference (and only scoring one less than our much vaunted front line). So goals going forward and solid at the back, that's the dream right?

I want McInness, I think he would be a success here. If it's not him then fair enough but it would be utter stupidity to not even consider him as an option.

He's arguably reached the pinnacle of where he can take Killie and might fancy a new challenge. On the flip side he seems a loyal sort and might fancy a crack at Europe with them. I wouldn't blame him one but if he looked at Hibs right now and said 'no thanks'.

I agree completely.

That’s why they have got to give him everything he wants. If he still says no then fair enough.

Every single thing. Give him it.

[Lago]

Pal who is a shareholder at ICT told me this week that they are desperate to get rid of Ferguson. Not up to it.
That's Duncan, not Darren

[Skol]

What if we get mcinnes and six months in care still hovering mid table what then? Same applies if it’s Lennon Robinson Docherty etc.

[bingo70]

I think with us moving into a new phase of investment and ownership you minimise risk to get that off the to the right start. It might be a bit unglamorous for some but that means a McInness or Robinson. Guys who have proven that they can work to or exceed the budget given to them. Guys who have proven they can deliver a degree of success, relative to their targets, in this league. Both have a failure on their CV as well so it's not a cast iron guarantee of success but it's as close as you will get in Scotland and inarguably minimises the gamble/risk with a new appointment.

There is a time and a place for a hot prospect from Uzbekistan or a rehabilitation job for a guy coming off a failure or 2 down south but I'm not convinced this is that time. It's time for stability and a guy who will get a new project off to the best possible start.

I reluctantly agree. I hate myself for saying it but we need a good, safe pair of hands. I really want us to appoint a South American lunatic at some point but now probably isn’t the time.

I don’t think there’s any way in the world McInnes comes to us just now so I think Alex Neil or Michael O’Neill would be good, safe options.

[bingo70]

What if we get mcinnes and six months in care still hovering mid table what then? Same applies if it’s Lennon Robinson Docherty etc.

Why 6 months?

If we appoint McInnes and he has nearly all of next season, we don’t make top 6 and make absolutely no progress at all in that time, I’d probably be looking to make a change again.

There has to be some short term progress if a manager wants more time.

[jeffers]

Why 6 months?

If we appoint McInnes and he has nearly all of next season, we don’t make top 6 and make absolutely no progress at all in that time, I’d probably be looking to make a change again.

There has to be some short term progress if a manager wants more time.

:agree: No matter who we appoint there will be some people who refuse to give them a chance, but the majority are willing to give a manager time IF we are seeing signs of progress.

[Skol]

Why 6 months?

If we appoint McInnes and he has nearly all of next season, we don’t make top 6 and make absolutely no progress at all in that time, I’d probably be looking to make a change again.

There has to be some short term progress if a manager wants more time.

That just sounds like madness to me.

[blackpoolhibs]

What if we get mcinnes and six months in care still hovering mid table what then? Same applies if it’s Lennon Robinson Docherty etc.

How about he gets rid of most of this sheite or improves them, and has us clear in 3rd battling for 2nd?

It's easy this what if game eh?

[Wheat Hound]

McInnes at least has a substantial track record of success whereby even if his start wasn't great, you could be reasonably confident he would improve. Montgomery has little evidence to turn to for him to say the same

[bingo70]

That just sounds like madness to me.

So you think managers should have absolutely no short term responsibility and any manager coming in should have a free reign to be as bad as he wants as his job should be safe for 2 or 3 years anyway?

Personally I find that madness but each to their own.

[thebausburst]

McInnes at least has a substantial track record of success whereby even if his start wasn't great, you could be reasonably confident he would improve. Montgomery has little evidence to turn to for him to say the same

Exactly, investing time/money in McInnes is backing a winner surely, guys proven in this league, demonstrable deliver of exactly what Hibs owners say they want cup win(s) and regular European football.

[1875M]

Exactly, investing time/money in McInnes is backing a winner surely, guys proven in this league, demonstrable deliver of exactly what Hibs owners say they want cup win(s) and regular European football.

Yep, 100%. He’s well respected within the game and got a lot of credit on the back in terms of giving him time. He’s the type of manager you go ‘right, you’re here for 2/3 years, and we’re not changing’. Give him the funds to get who he wants in. He’s demonstrated it at 2 clubs that if you give him time, he will be the right guy for the job.

[h185forever]

We’ve tried with our last few managers to go for a manager who has little or no knowledge of the SPL but with a big belief that their style of football will be good enough to bring success in our “Mickey Mouse”, league or at least show big signs of improvement on the previous incumbent.

ALL of them have failed, arguably, for different reasons but they’ve all failed, most underestimating what it takes to play in this league.

We’ve been rebuilding the squad now for about 5 years and whilst we have unearthed the odd gem the football and the results have been much the same.

We really can’t avoid a rebuild again this close season and for me it needs to be done under the guidance of a new manager with current SPL experience and a completely new coaching team. The time for sentiment has come and gone.

I would like the following.

1. A new manager with his own coaching team in place..preferably for the final 5 games so they can evaluate the current squad.
2. A Squad that has a higher percentage of permanent signings and again SPL experience where/if the manager sees fit.
3. EARLY signings close season to help gel the new squad.

I appreciate a lot of this might be difficult if not impossible to achieve but if we don’t try …….next season could be even more difficult to watch than this current one.

[flash]

Yep, 100%. He’s well respected within the game and got a lot of credit on the back in terms of giving him time. He’s the type of manager you go ‘right, you’re here for 2/3 years, and we’re not changing’. Give him the funds to get who he wants in. He’s demonstrated it at 2 clubs that if you give him time, he will be the right guy for the job.
Does that mean if we finished 10th in his first season it would be OK because it would be better later?

[Callum_62]

Yep, 100%. He’s well respected within the game and got a lot of credit on the back in terms of giving him time. He’s the type of manager you go ‘right, you’re here for 2/3 years, and we’re not changing’. Give him the funds to get who he wants in. He’s demonstrated it at 2 clubs that if you give him time, he will be the right guy for the job.There's no way our fan base will accept saying your here for 2/3 years and we ain't changing

As soon as we dip out of top 6 there will be load shouts for him to go

He wont have any credit in the bank with hibs fans that's for sure

Btw - I'm not saying I'd be against sticking with an experienced manager for long(er) term but I can't see how the fan base as a whole go for that

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[Skol]

So you think managers should have absolutely no short term responsibility and any manager coming in should have a free reign to be as bad as he wants as his job should be safe for 2 or 3 years anyway?

Personally I find that madness but each to their own.

Man united stuck with Ferguson when they could have replaced him.

[bingo70]

Man united stuck with Ferguson when they could have replaced him.

That’s not what I asked.

Do you think a manager coming to Hibs should have no short term accountability? They should have free reign to be as bad as they want because they’ve got a 2 or 3 year deal?

[Skol]

That’s not what I asked.

Do you think a manager coming to Hibs should have no short term accountability? They should have free reign to be as bad as they want because they’ve got a 2 or 3 year deal?

Of course they should. However that doesn’t mean we just keep firing them.

[andrew70]

That’s not what I asked.

Do you think a manager coming to Hibs should have no short term accountability? They should have free reign to be as bad as they want because they’ve got a 2 or 3 year deal?

No but we’ve got to remember until the end of January he was left with absolute charlatans. If he gets the summer we’ll be much better next season once we get rid of these imposters. Starting with our useless “captain”.

Theres mitigating factors but I am neither here nor there if he stays. He can’t help players not passing the ball five yards, not closing down shots or failing to put challenges in.

Once again the players have let down a manager.

[bingo70]

No but we’ve got to remember until the end of January he was left with absolute charlatans. If he gets the summer we’ll be much better next season once we get rid of these imposters. Starting with our useless “captain”.

Theres mitigating factors but I am neither here nor there if he stays. He can’t help players not passing the ball five yards, not closing down shots or failing to put challenges in.

Once again the players have let down a manager.

He’s not got the most out of any of the players though?

Being a manager can’t just be about biding time until you get your own players who presumably won’t make mistakes.

He’s not organised the team to make the most of them and he’s not improved any individual players.

There has to be something he can point to.

[andrew70]

He’s not got the most out of any of the players though?

Being a manager can’t just be about biding time until you get your own players who presumably won’t make mistakes.

He’s not organised the team to make the most of them and he’s not improved any individual players.

There has to be something he can point to.

I’d argue he has in stages but I’d also agree it’s not been enough and that’s what is counting against him for me.

However these same players have let down several managers. They are the common denominator.

I’d say if we get rid we need to work from the top down. CEO, DoF, Manager and empty most of the players.

However if he stays then he’ll have my full backing. He’s under performed but been dealt a poor hand over and over so I can understand why they might stick this time around.

[Unseen work]

I mentioned Tony Docherty on here before.

For those interested Open Goal interviewed him for winning manager of the month in March

https://youtu.be/bwT2LyicGdo?si=cNu7mFqXb9arKEle

Comes across really well.

[Basildon Hibs]

I mentioned Tony Docherty on here before.

For those interested Open Goal interviewed him for winning manager of the month in March

https://youtu.be/bwT2LyicGdo?si=cNu7mFqXb9arKEle

Comes across really well.

Ffs, not another one who falls for the 'comes across really well' crap. 🥱🙄

[Donegal Hibby]

I mentioned Tony Docherty on here before.

For those interested Open Goal interviewed him for winning manager of the month in March

https://youtu.be/bwT2LyicGdo?si=cNu7mFqXb9arKEle

Comes across really well.

Question , are you in favour of Tony Docherty becoming Hibs manager ? , just that I've seen folk on here critise Monty for only having been a manager for about 60 games before getting the Hibs job , Docherty has even less I think , just wondering what your opinion on that was ? .

[Donegal Hibby]

Ffs, not another one who falls for the 'comes across really well' crap. 🥱🙄

Its a fair enough opinion to have from UW . Who does come across well in your opinion as a manager then ? .

[JimBHibees]

Ffs, not another one who falls for the 'comes across really well' crap. 🥱🙄

Probably an important skill for a manager to be a good communicator

[JimBHibees]

Ffs, not another one who falls for the 'comes across really well' crap. 🥱🙄

Whose your choice?

[Alex Trager]

I mentioned Tony Docherty on here before.

For those interested Open Goal interviewed him for winning manager of the month in March

https://youtu.be/bwT2LyicGdo?si=cNu7mFqXb9arKEle

Comes across really well.

Watched this last night and was about to post similar.

Very impressed with him.

[Unseen work]

Ffs, not another one who falls for the 'comes across really well' crap. 🥱🙄

I initially mentioned him because I think he’s a good manager.

I posted that last night because I think it’s a really good interview with a manager there’s now a huge amount on. During which he comes across well.

I would actually say none of our managers have came across particularly well or impressive in how they speak since Ross, so no - not something I’m falling for.

[flash]

Ffs, not another one who falls for the 'comes across really well' crap. 🥱🙄

Would you prefer a slavering halfwit? Don't answer that.

[WhileTheChief..]

Probably an important skill for a manager to be a good communicator

Maloney, LJ and NM all come across terribly.

But when folk complained that these mangers had crap chat, the replies were that it doesn't matter at all and we were all just finding fault for the sake of it.

Can't have it both ways.

[Unseen work]

Question , are you in favour of Tony Docherty becoming Hibs manager ? , just that I've seen folk on here critise Monty for only having been a manager for about 60 games before getting the Hibs job , Docherty has even less I think , just wondering what your opinion on that was ? .

If Montgomery was to go, he’s certainly one of like to see being considered.

Appreciate he doesn’t have much experience as a number 1 however his knowledge of football in general, and specifically Scotland is massive imo and would be a plus.

His management career has went really well so far, so it would be interesting to see how he could get the team to respond to a poor spell etc. tbf he has took two hidings from the old firm which he referred to.

[eastterrace]

I mentioned Tony Docherty on here before.

For those interested Open Goal interviewed him for winning manager of the month in March

https://youtu.be/bwT2LyicGdo?si=cNu7mFqXb9arKEle

Comes across really well. is this the same tony docherty that turned around when they scored against us at Easter road and gave it GIRUY to our fans behind the dugouts. Naw get him to f***.

[Since452]

is this the same tony docherty that turned around when they scored against us at Easter road and gave it GIRUY to our fans behind the dugouts. Naw get him to f***.

Yes, let's ignore a good manager because he made a naughty gesture to our fans who were probably shouting abuse at him beforehand.

[JimBHibees]

Maloney, LJ and NM all come across terribly.

But when folk complained that these mangers had crap chat, the replies were that it doesn't matter at all and we were all just finding fault for the sake of it.

Can't have it both ways.

In your opinion

[JimBHibees]

is this the same tony docherty that turned around when they scored against us at Easter road and gave it GIRUY to our fans behind the dugouts. Naw get him to f***.

Agree can’t stand him for some reason. Can remember him being an erse at Aberdeen

[Donegal Hibby]

Yes, let's ignore a good manager because he made a naughty gesture to our fans who were probably shouting abuse at him beforehand.

How do you know he's a good manager though ? .

[WhileTheChief..]

In your opinion

Which part?

One minute you’re saying it’s important a manger can communicate, the next you’re saying it doesn’t matter how they come across.

It’s your opinions that are all over the place.

[Murphys Touch]

is this the same tony docherty that turned around when they scored against us at Easter road and gave it GIRUY to our fans behind the dugouts. Naw get him to f***.

Really - because he celebrated a goal that his then employers scored (perhaps after getting some abuse from fans behind!)

We really are a sensitive bunch

[eastterrace]

Really - because he celebrated a goal that his then employers scored (perhaps after getting some abuse from fans behind!)

We really are a sensitive bunchThe guys a twat imo and you could see in his face the delight in giving us the giruy. Let’s hope the bk don’t go near this guy.

[GreenGray]

is this the same tony docherty that turned around when they scored against us at Easter road and gave it GIRUY to our fans behind the dugouts. Naw get him to f***.

Sounds exactly like the type of guy we want.

[Musselbound]

Wow so Docherty is unpopular already. I'm not really too concerned about our next manager when someone is still in the job but if it comes up I'd think Docherty would be one of the better and realistic options of managers with experience in the Scottish game.

[darwenhibby]

Still have nightmares from the last manager we got from Dundee

[Rick Rude]

Seems like only yesterday that Martindale was the answer to all our problems. Great to see we've all moved onto another manager with 1 year of managing as the solution. Wonder who it'll be next year when Dundee are down scrapping in a relegation fight.

[Victor]

Seems like only yesterday that Martindale was the answer to all our problems. Great to see we've all moved onto another manager with 1 year of managing as the solution. Wonder who it'll be next year when Dundee are down scrapping in a relegation fight.

I am waiting for Scott Brown to be suggested. Then Brian Graham, Steven Naismith, Craig Levein etc. To keep on topic my suggestion would be Nick Montgomery. I heard he did well in Australia, or something.

[HoboHarry]

14 pages of going around in circles. I wish I had that much time to fritter away, I must be doing it wrong.

[Brightside]

14 pages of going around in circles. I wish I had that much time to fritter away, I must be doing it wrong.

Especially when we already have a manager.

[Donegal Hibby]

Seems like only yesterday that Martindale was the answer to all our problems. Great to see we've all moved onto another manager with 1 year of managing as the solution. Wonder who it'll be next year when Dundee are down scrapping in a relegation fight.

McKay and Kettlewell were mentioned as well at one point . Docherty has certainly had a good start at Dundee though I also remember Barry Robson doing well at Aberdeen in the beginning too . Still don't see how folk know that Docherty is a good manager after 30 games or so in charge in the Premier league .

[Unseen work]

14 pages of going around in circles. I wish I had that much time to fritter away, I must be doing it wrong.

Yet here you are commenting on it anyway.

Really don’t understand posts like this.

[HoboHarry]

Yet here you are commenting on it anyway.

Really don’t understand posts like this.

Likewise, you still felt the need to respond though didn't you? Social media has got you good.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yet here you are commenting on it anyway.

Really don’t understand posts like this.

:agree:

Wishes they had the time to discuss managers but spends the vast majority of their time on here slagging other posters and offering nothing to discussions.

[HoboHarry]

:agree:

Wishes they had the time to discuss managers but spends the vast majority of their time on here slagging other posters and offering nothing to discussions.

There is nothing but nothing to add to this discussion. It's been done to death.

[JimBHibees]

Which part?

One minute you’re saying it’s important a manger can communicate, the next you’re saying it doesn’t matter how they come across.

It’s your opinions that are all over the place.

All of it. Your opinion how good communicators these managers were. All of them reasonable communicators.

[Unseen work]

Likewise, you still felt the need to respond though didn't you? Social media has got you good.

I’m not the one coming in a thread, moaning about the thread and saying I wish I had time to fritter away. You then continue to monitor said thread to see if anyone has replied 🤣

[Donegal Hibby]

Is there anything to suggest that our current manager is about to be replaced ? , going by the way he's talking it doesn't appear to be the case and if he's not and gets to rebuild in the summer is there not also the chance he might succeed too ? . Don't mind discussing managers though i do wonder why when we already have one tbh 🤔.

[Wilson]

Is there anything to suggest that our current manager is about to be replaced ? , going by the way he's talking it doesn't appear to be the case and if he's not and gets to rebuild in the summer is there not also the chance he might succeed too ? . Don't mind discussing managers though i do wonder why when we already have one tbh 🤔.

There is a chance he might. I wouldn't necessarily have taken that chance. He's significantly behind McInnes and Docherty with better players at his disposal and much more money spent. We may just be throwing good money after bad.

That is the board's chance to take I suppose. Good luck. We all want to win so let's hope it's the right call.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Is there anything to suggest that our current manager is about to be replaced ? , going by the way he's talking it doesn't appear to be the case and if he's not and gets to rebuild in the summer is there not also the chance he might succeed too ? . Don't mind discussing managers though i do wonder why when we already have one tbh 🤔.

The club released a statement saying there was going to be a review, that to me would be a fairly clear indication that it’s something that will be up for discussion. What Montgomery says out in public will have absolutely no bearing on the outcome of the review. He could come out and say there’s no way they’ll sack him, but again, that isn’t his decision to make.

As to whether there’s a chance he’ll succeed, there’s a chance anyone could succeed. The evidence we’ve been presented with, to me, would suggest there’s a much higher chance that he absolutely won’t succeed though.

[sleeping giant]

is this the same tony docherty that turned around when they scored against us at Easter road and gave it GIRUY to our fans behind the dugouts. Naw get him to f***.

I was there behind the dug out that day and he was having a wee bit banter with the hibs fans until someone took it too far as usual.
He was responding to that.

[bingo70]

The club released a statement saying there was going to be a review, that to me would be a fairly clear indication that it’s something that will be up for discussion. What Montgomery says out in public will have absolutely no bearing on it.

Yeah, when the club says his position is being reviewed, along with all other jobs in the footballing department at the club, I think that gives decent cause for discussion as to who could be next if he does go.

He might not go of course but there’s certainly been cause given to discuss the ‘what ifs’

[SHODAN]

is this the same tony docherty that turned around when they scored against us at Easter road and gave it GIRUY to our fans behind the dugouts. Naw get him to f***.

Oh no. An opposition manager wasn't nice to us.

[Since452]

How do you know he's a good manager though ? .

The evidence would suggest he is.

[flash]

The evidence would suggest he is.

Exactly. He finished two points above the manager you are trying to run out of town with a three game start.

He's the new Jock Stein.

[Donegal Hibby]

The evidence would suggest he is.

The evidence indicates he's doing well though wither he's a good manager no one can say 100% he is after around 30 odd games at this stage .

I remember when Aberdeen put Robson in charge and he went on a run of 7 consecutive wins before being handed a two year deal folk thought we should have went down the same road in changing our manager because Aberdeen had got it right as he was winning games .

Doesn't always mean if a manager gets off to a good start that he's a good manager or one that gets off to a bad start is poor one .

It will be very interesting to see if he can maintain it next year , if he does then imo he is a good manager though I think Aberdeen and ourselves will be stronger next year while they might lose a few of their players.

Another factor is we beaten them twice home/away and drew at home in a game that they were extremely negative in were we had 63% possession, 23 shots , 9 on target . Corners were 14 to 1 and in fact two of the games they only had 3 shots on target against us . Jury is still out on wither he's a good manager or not imo .

[Lago]

There is nothing but nothing to add to this discussion. It's been done to death.
Correct, boring now.

[blackpoolhibs]

McKay and Kettlewell were mentioned as well at one point . Docherty has certainly had a good start at Dundee though I also remember Barry Robson doing well at Aberdeen in the beginning too . Still don't see how folk know that Docherty is a good manager after 30 games or so in charge in the Premier league .

Exactly, 30 games in this league, it's impossible to be able to make any impression in the spfl with that many games, just look at Hibs.

[Donegal Hibby]

There is a chance he might. I wouldn't necessarily have taken that chance. He's significantly behind McInnes and Docherty with better players at his disposal and much more money spent. We may just be throwing good money after bad.

That is the board's chance to take I suppose. Good luck. We all want to win so let's hope it's the right call.

It might happen though I think the chances of it are slim now tbh . Both the two managers you are referring too have been given time though . Actually if we had McInnes the first year he was back and got of to the start he made we'd have probably been calling for him to get sacked as I think he lost something like 6 out of his first 8 games , don't forget mate we sacked a manager for losing his first 3 ! .

As to Monty having better players we probably have some alright though collectively as a team it's not been working under 3 or 4 managers now which would suggest theres issues that run deeper than it being all the managers fault all the time.

It was only in January we were able to get players in who needed time to settle in and get up to speed , if you look before that our bench was pretty weak with 3 or 4 kids on it regularly and very little options that could change a game. It wasn't an easy situation for any manager to be in I think.

I don't know if Monty will come good or not but we have to give him a chance to see if he can . I'd actually say that if we had McInnes , Docherty or any other manager in charge . One window that's renowned to be the hardest and 7 months taking over a club bottom of the league isn't enough time imo .

Give the guy a chance the way Dundee and Killie have done with their managers and hopefully we will come good too . Can't just keep changing managers every 4 to 8 months . Its getting us nowhere fast .

[Cat Stanton]

Exactly, 30 games in this league, it's impossible to be able to make any impression in the spfl with that many games, just look at Hibs.

Agreed. And I'd add that Docherty's team seem to have a habit of throwing away leads (something Hibs obviously get rightly critised for), being over-reliant on the loan market (ditto), and being niaive at Parkhead/Ibrox and getting pumped (ditto again).

But as others have said, we're not looking for a new manager, so this is all a bit redundant.

[Since452]

Exactly. He finished two points above the manager you are trying to run out of town with a three game start.

He's the new Jock Stein.

Do you think that it's acceptable for Hibs to be finishing 2 points below Dundee with the budget we have compared to them? Dundee finishing top six is fantastic. Hibs finishing
bottom six is unacceptable. The only conclusion I draw from comparing them is that Docherty has been a great success and Montgomery has been a disaster.

One of them is shortlisted for manager of the season by the way. The other ones position is under review.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Correct, boring now.

The thread couldn’t be more clear about its content and its being discussed on the back of the club confirming the footballing department is up for review. If you find it boring you could always just, you know.. Don’t read it?

[Basildon Hibs]

Agreed. And I'd add that Docherty's team seem to have a habit of throwing away leads (something Hibs obviously get rightly critised for), being over-reliant on the loan market (ditto), and being niaive at Parkhead/Ibrox and getting pumped (ditto again).

But as others have said, we're not looking for a new manager, so this is all a bit redundant.

How do the others know we're not looking for a new manager? 🤔

[JohnM1875]

Hibs Exclusive: 'I was hired to bring stability and sustainability to this club - and we're so close.;

Noise-cancelling headphones should come as standard issue for any head coach willing to immerse themselves in the ugly business of the beautiful game. At a club like Hibs, where the intensity of public debate often excels some of the seasonally variable football laid before supporters, not being able to hear yourself think must be an occupational hazard.


Yet, in the sanctity and sanctuary of his manager’s office out at East Mains, Nick Montgomery somehow manages to convey a sense of calm. A rarity in Scottish football, right enough.

That’s not to say that the Hibs boss isn’t still fizzing with frustration over failure to make the top six. Or, indeed, that he’s completely forgotten about the “emotional” board statement issued in the wake of said failure. He’s been around football long enough to read the warning signs, even without them being put in print and emailed to every media outlet on the distribution list.


But Montgomery, who spent much of the build-up to last weekend’s thumping away win over St Johnstone publicly arguing his case to remain as manager, seems to be on more solid ground in the wake of that victory. Pointing out that he was hired specifically to bring “stability” to a club on its fifth manager in as many years, and emphasising the medium term ambitions now that billionaire Bournemouth owner Bill Foley is using every ounce of influence acquired along with that 25 per cent stake in Hibs, Monty is confident, bordering on bullish.


“The reason I came to the club is because they believed I was the man to bring stability, for starters,” he said, adding: “I’m in the process of building a sustainable team moving forward.


“There is a lot to look forward to at this club. But you have to be patient. Nothing happens overnight, not in football. I wish I’d had a pre-season, a chance to work with this group and start the season properly. But I got the opportunity when it came.

“The club chose me to go in because they wanted stability, they wanted someone able to deliver the long-term project through a process. But everybody wants stuff straight away. I understand that.


“For me, I know we’re really close. There has been a lot of progress. People won’t always see that. But what I will say is I’ve had a lot of support from the fans. I understand the criticism, understand that people are upset – because nobody is more upset than me.


“Yes, we had things go against us. But we shot ourselves in the foot by giving away too many points. We accept that.”


The board publicly declaring their intent to conduct a wide-ranging review of football operations, a smart move even in a successful season, never mind a campaign as calamitous as 2023-24, obviously put Montgomery under pressure. Directors using the term “unacceptable” to describe failure to make the top six, before warning that “results need to improve,” was widely interpreted as the gaffer being five games to save his job.

That still may be the case, with four games remaining. But Monty’s interpretation of the situation, based on his discussions with the people behind the review, is that there is at least some understanding of the mess he inherited – and the challenges he faced after replacing Lee Johnson back in September.


Laughing when mention is made of a “What if …” scenario, the Yorkshireman said: “We could go over the whole season if you want what ifs. What if there was no AFCON or no Asian Cup meaning we lost key players? What if we didn’t have 11 first-team players out for long periods? What if Owen Bevan hadn’t got injured when we signed him in January?


“You can look back on all these, which we did in the review. It’s an ongoing process but, when we looked back in length after the Motherwell game, there were a lot of very, very positive stats and metrics. But that’s not what you see. And, if you don’t put the chances away, you are always susceptible to dropping goals late on or incidents going against you.


“It’s always about the result, because that’s all people see, and all people care about. But when you are a coach and you have methods, when you believe in what you’re doing, you know when you’re not far away.

“We’re close to being a very good team. But ultimately, games are decided on goals scored at one end and not conceding at the other! I know it’s funny to say that, but it is really simple, when you break it down.

“So we’re creating chances from the way that we play. I’ve got full belief in the way we’re playing. The club brought me here to change the identity and the way that we played. That’s something I fully believe in; we’re on the right track. Of course that doesn’t take away from the fact that we missed out on the top six.


“But looking at the bigger picture, there are a lot of positives, as well as the stuff off the field, all the stuff that’s been in the media, a lot of noise all season about the club moving forward. Those big picture things are going to provide sustainability and stability.”


Reflecting on the quality and character shown in the 3-1 victory in Perth, and aware that an even better performance may be required to beat Ross County in Dingwall this weekend, Montgomery – asked how it felt on a personal level, to see his team get what they deserved from the game - admitted: “There has been a lot of noise. But that is part and parcel of football. Any win feels good. You put a lot of effort into every week, building a game plan and working towards a win.

“I thought the boys were excellent in terms of their attitude and professionalism, considering the noise that has been around. I didn’t have to speak to them. I’ve never really questioned the boys’ character; we’ve got a really good group.


“We all know, as a collective, that too many times this season we didn’t take the points we should have. We’ve lost concentration towards the end of games, which ultimately cost us getting into the top six on the last day.


“There were a couple of days of upset and frustration. But then everyone got their heads straight and understood what we needed to do, finish this season on a high and start to build momentum for next season.”

[Henderson2Del]

Close? Likely 1/2 squad will leave so that being close now is both too late and arguably pointless. Boy talks some tosh

[bingo70]

Hibs Exclusive: 'I was hired to bring stability and sustainability to this club - and we're so close.;

Noise-cancelling headphones should come as standard issue for any head coach willing to immerse themselves in the ugly business of the beautiful game. At a club like Hibs, where the intensity of public debate often excels some of the seasonally variable football laid before supporters, not being able to hear yourself think must be an occupational hazard.


Yet, in the sanctity and sanctuary of his manager’s office out at East Mains, Nick Montgomery somehow manages to convey a sense of calm. A rarity in Scottish football, right enough.

That’s not to say that the Hibs boss isn’t still fizzing with frustration over failure to make the top six. Or, indeed, that he’s completely forgotten about the “emotional” board statement issued in the wake of said failure. He’s been around football long enough to read the warning signs, even without them being put in print and emailed to every media outlet on the distribution list.


But Montgomery, who spent much of the build-up to last weekend’s thumping away win over St Johnstone publicly arguing his case to remain as manager, seems to be on more solid ground in the wake of that victory. Pointing out that he was hired specifically to bring “stability” to a club on its fifth manager in as many years, and emphasising the medium term ambitions now that billionaire Bournemouth owner Bill Foley is using every ounce of influence acquired along with that 25 per cent stake in Hibs, Monty is confident, bordering on bullish.


“The reason I came to the club is because they believed I was the man to bring stability, for starters,” he said, adding: “I’m in the process of building a sustainable team moving forward.


“There is a lot to look forward to at this club. But you have to be patient. Nothing happens overnight, not in football. I wish I’d had a pre-season, a chance to work with this group and start the season properly. But I got the opportunity when it came.

“The club chose me to go in because they wanted stability, they wanted someone able to deliver the long-term project through a process. But everybody wants stuff straight away. I understand that.


“For me, I know we’re really close. There has been a lot of progress. People won’t always see that. But what I will say is I’ve had a lot of support from the fans. I understand the criticism, understand that people are upset – because nobody is more upset than me.


“Yes, we had things go against us. But we shot ourselves in the foot by giving away too many points. We accept that.”


The board publicly declaring their intent to conduct a wide-ranging review of football operations, a smart move even in a successful season, never mind a campaign as calamitous as 2023-24, obviously put Montgomery under pressure. Directors using the term “unacceptable” to describe failure to make the top six, before warning that “results need to improve,” was widely interpreted as the gaffer being five games to save his job.

That still may be the case, with four games remaining. But Monty’s interpretation of the situation, based on his discussions with the people behind the review, is that there is at least some understanding of the mess he inherited – and the challenges he faced after replacing Lee Johnson back in September.


Laughing when mention is made of a “What if …” scenario, the Yorkshireman said: “We could go over the whole season if you want what ifs. What if there was no AFCON or no Asian Cup meaning we lost key players? What if we didn’t have 11 first-team players out for long periods? What if Owen Bevan hadn’t got injured when we signed him in January?


“You can look back on all these, which we did in the review. It’s an ongoing process but, when we looked back in length after the Motherwell game, there were a lot of very, very positive stats and metrics. But that’s not what you see. And, if you don’t put the chances away, you are always susceptible to dropping goals late on or incidents going against you.


“It’s always about the result, because that’s all people see, and all people care about. But when you are a coach and you have methods, when you believe in what you’re doing, you know when you’re not far away.

“We’re close to being a very good team. But ultimately, games are decided on goals scored at one end and not conceding at the other! I know it’s funny to say that, but it is really simple, when you break it down.

“So we’re creating chances from the way that we play. I’ve got full belief in the way we’re playing. The club brought me here to change the identity and the way that we played. That’s something I fully believe in; we’re on the right track. Of course that doesn’t take away from the fact that we missed out on the top six.


“But looking at the bigger picture, there are a lot of positives, as well as the stuff off the field, all the stuff that’s been in the media, a lot of noise all season about the club moving forward. Those big picture things are going to provide sustainability and stability.”


Reflecting on the quality and character shown in the 3-1 victory in Perth, and aware that an even better performance may be required to beat Ross County in Dingwall this weekend, Montgomery – asked how it felt on a personal level, to see his team get what they deserved from the game - admitted: “There has been a lot of noise. But that is part and parcel of football. Any win feels good. You put a lot of effort into every week, building a game plan and working towards a win.

“I thought the boys were excellent in terms of their attitude and professionalism, considering the noise that has been around. I didn’t have to speak to them. I’ve never really questioned the boys’ character; we’ve got a really good group.


“We all know, as a collective, that too many times this season we didn’t take the points we should have. We’ve lost concentration towards the end of games, which ultimately cost us getting into the top six on the last day.


“There were a couple of days of upset and frustration. But then everyone got their heads straight and understood what we needed to do, finish this season on a high and start to build momentum for next season.”

Interesting, thanks for posting.

My stance on the need to replace him is definitely softening.

I just don’t know what I would do if I was the decision maker. I agree with all the arguments to replace him but it is a fair point he makes, if we’ve appointed him
with the promise of it being a long term project, maybe we need to hold our nerve and see him as the best person to solve the problems he’s experienced first hand.

What will be will be, I’m looking forward to next season either way.

[jeffers]

Interesting, thanks for posting.

My stance on the need to replace him is definitely softening.

I just don’t know what I would do if I was the decision maker. I agree with all the arguments to replace him but it is a fair point he makes, if we’ve appointed him
with the promise of it being a long term project, maybe we need to hold our nerve and see him as the best person to solve the problems he’s experienced first hand.

What will be will be, I’m looking forward to next season either way.

Mine is the exact opposite. I want him gone more than ever before.

[JohnM1875]

Interesting, thanks for posting.

My stance on the need to replace him is definitely softening.

I just don’t know what I would do if I was the decision maker. I agree with all the arguments to replace him but it is a fair point he makes, if we’ve appointed him
with the promise of it being a long term project, maybe we need to hold our nerve and see him as the best person to solve the problems he’s experienced first hand.

What will be will be, I’m looking forward to next season either way.

Same to be honest, wanted him gone as soon as we missed out on top six. But the more I've calmed down the more I'm coming round to the idea of him getting more time.

Have to admit, the performance against St Johnstone on Saturday has helped that. I know I said I don't think the remaining games mean much but I'll always enjoy Hibs winning a game of football and throw in a good performance like last weekend helps that.

Might be reading too much into it, but I get the feeling the review has been pretty much done and he knows he's getting kept on and a pre-season/transfer window to improve results.

[Keepthefaith]

agree with the above - and I do think we'll stick with him. read an interesting article on Schalkehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ckr5yy29k82o who are now fallen giants and noted that they have had 11 managers in 10 years. they also spoke about the importance of their academy in getting back to where they want to be. also refreshing to see the passionate support for the club in times of adversity - to a level we can only dream about!

I was gutted in the st Johnstone home game, really messed up top 6 in that one game...but it also epitomised our season, dominate the game, create some nice chances, keeper has a blinder and they score with their only shots. likewise at Motherwell - the fans were bouncing up until they scored and appreciative of the fantastic football we played, especially second half. IMO individual players have let the team down at times, either through application or ability but that doesn't mean we need to get rid of the manager.

it's nice to hear folk reflect too and say they have calmed down a bit and are now looking at the bigger picture. FWIW I can see why folk want a change, even though I'm totally for keeping Monty, but it's refreshing to read more considered views. I do believe the future is positive for us:flag:

[Callum_62]

Close? Likely 1/2 squad will leave so that being close now is both too late and arguably pointless. Boy talks some toshMaybe in his eyes 1/2 the squad leaving is what will make us "close"

[emoji38]

In all seriousness it's a massive opportunity to revamp the squad. We will need some big signings in key positions to make an impact next year

Replacing Myziane with (fingers crossed), Myziane for starters

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[jeffers]

Maybe in his eyes 1/2 the squad leaving is what will make us "close"

[emoji38]

In all seriousness it's a massive opportunity to revamp the squad. We will need some big signings in key positions to make an impact next year

Replacing Myziane with (fingers crossed), Myziane for starters

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That was probably my biggest issue with what he said, that we were “close”. I’m not going to go over all the reasons why I think he should be gone as it’s only covering old ground. To me though my interpretation of close is it only need a small amount of changes, but we are likely to see big squad changes in the summer so sorry if I’m not convinced by what he’s saying.

[Mon Dieu4]

“So we’re creating chances from the way that we play. I’ve got full belief in the way we’re playing. The club brought me here to change the identity and the way that we played.



Looks like I'm going to continue to be bored out my skull for about 70 minutes of most games going forward then

[Basildon Hibs]

Close? Likely 1/2 squad will leave so that being close now is both too late and arguably pointless. Boy talks some tosh

Correct.

[Basildon Hibs]

'I was hired to bring stability and sustainability to this club..'

Maybe by the clueless Kensall and Gordon - not by Foley and the BK's..

[Forza Fred]

Slightly off topic maybe, but to those who think its a pretty straightforward ‘ask’ for us to win all of the current bottom six games.

If we do that it will be the first time ever we have managed it.

And, in fact over the years the split has been in place, we have actually lost more ‘bottom six’ games than we have won.

[Stevie Reid]

Slightly off topic maybe, but to those who think its a pretty straightforward ‘ask’ for us to win all of the current bottom six games.

If we do that it will be the first time ever we have managed it.

And, in fact over the years the split has been in place, we have actually lost more ‘bottom six’ games than we have won.

We don’t really perform well in the split no matter which side we end up in.

Even when we’ve finished 3rd and 4th we’ve not done particularly well in the top six games - Ross and Lennon did best in that regard. LJ actually matched Lennon for best top six points total last season - eight points.

Down at the bottom, Williamson has the best points total with 12, when we finished 7th under him. Fenlon managed to stay unbeaten after the split in his full season, but won 11 points.

At the other end of the scale, Calderwood and Butcher managed a single point from their bottom six games.

[Bertie Wooster]

Think the EEN article had some valid points and showed the lack of ability by Hibs to build a squad over the course of the management changes and factor in likelihood of AFCON or Asian cups.
Whilst I didnt like what NM was doing over the winter , there was a definite case of having to play with what scraps you have. So you were limited in the style you played because of the players you have at you disposal.
Am not making excuses , but if you are a relatively new manager at this level and having to play 16 year olds then dont expect miracles.

Dont imagine we are going to sign a dozen new 1st team starters over the summer so think that he will be given until January at least but with the caveat that if he is not top 4/5 with a decent run in the League Cup at that point then he will be out. Foley isnt going to give him a couple of seasons.

Probably imagine there will be a director of football brought in as well. For all the negatives about NM , have heard a lot of positives as well within the club so in this regard can see Foley wanting his guy in place for consistency of the football operations to be aligned within his pyramid but also to help a relatively new manager to develop and improve as Head Coach .

[Heisenberg]

I was convinced he’d be gone after Motherwell but think it’s less and less likely after every interview i read. To me it sounds like he’s had his review already and has managed to produce enough in the way of excuses to save himself. There’s absolutely no margin for error going into the start of next season for him if he does stay, my biggest fear is we get a Lee Johnson situation all over again.

[JimBHibees]

Interesting, thanks for posting.

My stance on the need to replace him is definitely softening.

I just don’t know what I would do if I was the decision maker. I agree with all the arguments to replace him but it is a fair point he makes, if we’ve appointed him
with the promise of it being a long term project, maybe we need to hold our nerve and see him as the best person to solve the problems he’s experienced first hand.

What will be will be, I’m looking forward to next season either way.

This is where i am. Assume players will be lined up to come in and hopefully a fair number of players are leaving too. I would stick and give him the chance for summer window and preseason with more of a squad that is who he wants.

[JimBHibees]

That was probably my biggest issue with what he said, that we were “close”. I’m not going to go over all the reasons why I think he should be gone as it’s only covering old ground. To me though my interpretation of close is it only need a small amount of changes, but we are likely to see big squad changes in the summer so sorry if I’m not convinced by what he’s saying.

Assume his close comment is around getting rid of a significant number of the squad who are contributing nothing and allowing him to bring in players he reckons will improve us.

[Since452]

Interesting, thanks for posting.

My stance on the need to replace him is definitely softening.

I just don’t know what I would do if I was the decision maker. I agree with all the arguments to replace him but it is a fair point he makes, if we’ve appointed him
with the promise of it being a long term project, maybe we need to hold our nerve and see him as the best person to solve the problems he’s experienced first hand.

What will be will be, I’m looking forward to next season either way.

People talk about the mentality difference between us and Hearts and why they more often than not win derbies etc. Hearts would have punted him after the Motherwell game. They wouldn't have accepted his performance. We're now thinking about giving him a wee go next season. Frightening.

[JohnM1875]

People talk about the mentality difference between us and Hearts and why they more often than not win derbies etc. Hearts would have punted him after the Motherwell game. They wouldn't have accepted his performance. We're now thinking about giving him a wee go next season. Frightening.

Hearts stuck with Naismith when majority of the fans were wanting him punted after a bad spell. We were all ripping him on here saying ‘he has to stay’ etc. They stuck with him and he's done well in the cups and finished third. Not the best example?

[RIP]

'I was hired to bring stability and sustainability to this club..'

Maybe by the clueless Kensall and Gordon - not by Foley and the BK's..

He was hired by our new Director of Football Brian McDermott.

Brian was hired in 2023 after a comprehensive review all aspects of the football operation.

Review!, Review!, Review!
They haven't got a clue!

[flash]

Jeez every time the manager speaks he really does trigger a fair proportion of our fanbase.

There is nothing remotely controversial in anything he has said in that interview yet here we are with several posters foaming at the mouth with righteous indignation.

As I have stated many times there are arguments both ways as to whether he remains in post but you wouldn't think so from the relentless negativity.

[J-C]

I didn't expect us to be 3rd or 4th with this squad of players but I did expect us to get at least top 6 and not 21 points behind our main rivals Hearts. I'm still not convinced Monty has what it takes, tactics, subs and an eye for a player(Triantis), are all things still up for debate and raise doubts to his qualities to take us forward.

[RIP]

Jeez every time the manager speaks he really does trigger a fair proportion of our fanbase.

There is nothing remotely controversial in anything he has said in that interview yet here we are with several posters foaming at the mouth with righteous indignation.

As I have stated many times there are arguments both ways as to whether he remains in post but you wouldn't think so from the relentless negativity.

Putting things into perspective though. Our fanbase is upwards of 25,000 supporters and you are calling out 'several posters' on a messageboard.

I enjoy the views I read on Hibs.Net. I've been a member since the CIS Cup win. However the very last thing I'd ever claim is that you can take the pulse of the fanbase from a thread on here. 😁

[Hibernian Verse]

Jeez every time the manager speaks he really does trigger a fair proportion of our fanbase.

There is nothing remotely controversial in anything he has said in that interview yet here we are with several posters foaming at the mouth with righteous indignation.

As I have stated many times there are arguments both ways as to whether he remains in post but you wouldn't think so from the relentless negativity.

For "fair proportion" read "noisy minority".

[flash]

Putting things into perspective though. Our fanbase is upwards of 25,000 supporters and you are calling out 'several posters' on a messageboard.

I enjoy the views I read on Hibs.Net. I've been a member since the CIS Cup win. However the very last thing I'd ever claim is that you can take the pulse of the fanbase from a thread on here. 😁

Everyone has an opinion.

What I struggle with, and it's a societal thing these days, is the complete refusal of many people to see both sides of an argument.

It's an issue politically as well with people simply entrenching themselves in a position completely incapable of listening to anything that doesn't completely agree with their viewpoint.

It didn't used to be like this and the world is a poorer place for it.

[bingo70]

Jeez every time the manager speaks he really does trigger a fair proportion of our fanbase.

There is nothing remotely controversial in anything he has said in that interview yet here we are with several posters foaming at the mouth with righteous indignation.

As I have stated many times there are arguments both ways as to whether he remains in post but you wouldn't think so from the relentless negativity.

Is there?

Posts in response to that interview seem pretty positive to me? Might be one or two disagreeing but that’s ok, that’s the point of this place.

I managed to disagree with myself in my response to it so it’s natural other people will disagree with others opinions.

[bingo70]

Everyone has an opinion.

What I struggle with, and it's a societal thing these days, is the complete refusal of many people to see both sides of an argument.

It's an issue politically as well with people simply entrenching themselves in a position completely incapable of listening to anything that doesn't completely agree with their viewpoint.

It didn't used to be like this and the world is a poorer place for it.

I agree with that but I don’t see that issue in the response to the interview that was posted.

[Brightside]

Putting things into perspective though. Our fanbase is upwards of 25,000 supporters and you are calling out 'several posters' on a messageboard.

I enjoy the views I read on Hibs.Net. I've been a member since the CIS Cup win. However the very last thing I'd ever claim is that you can take the pulse of the fanbase from a thread on here. ��

I've said this often over the years. I think we all forget just how small a percentage of the support .net is, and its really not a broad church as we all know its busier when we are poor. Its just a place to rant and debate but it really doesnt match the majority of fans who really aren't that bothered about it and just want to support Hibs.

[Brightside]

Close? Likely 1/2 squad will leave so that being close now is both too late and arguably pointless. Boy talks some tosh

Or he is closer than all of us and is doing what he was asked to do. The squad needs rooted out. We need a stable management team to make that happen. The addition of 3 or 4 bits of quality will make a huge difference, and I expect 3 or 4 loans in too.

[B.H.F.C]

People talk about the mentality difference between us and Hearts and why they more often than not win derbies etc. Hearts would have punted him after the Motherwell game. They wouldn't have accepted his performance. We're now thinking about giving him a wee go next season. Frightening.

Aye, because we’ve never punted a manager based on a failure right enough?

[flash]

Is there?

Posts in response to that interview seem pretty positive to me? Might be one or two disagreeing but that’s ok, that’s the point of this place.

I managed to disagree with myself in my response to it so it’s natural other people will disagree with others opinions.

It absolutely is the point of this place and likewise the point of my existence is to make posts like the one I did.

Keeps us all out of mischief.

[WeeRussell]

People talk about the mentality difference between us and Hearts and why they more often than not win derbies etc. Hearts would have punted him after the Motherwell game. They wouldn't have accepted his performance. We're now thinking about giving him a wee go next season. Frightening.

That’ll be hearts that still have Naismith at the helm when almost everyone expected him to be gone a long time ago.

[CapitalGreen]

That’ll be hearts that still have Naismith at the helm when almost everyone expected him to be gone a long time ago.

Hearts fans wanted Naismith punted as recently as November/early December. There was a lot of discontent amongst their support around the time of their AGM where fans were calling for the manager, DoF, Head of Recruitment, CEO, FOH reps and many others to be sacked.

[Dmas]

Or he is closer than all of us and is doing what he was asked to do. The squad needs rooted out. We need a stable management team to make that happen. The addition of 3 or 4 bits of quality will make a huge difference, and I expect 3 or 4 loans in too.

I think he's right, I know a lot will scoff at the matrix and stats things as they don't win games of football but the fact we have both been in winning positions or created enough chances to win games without converting shows that the way we are playing has signs of working and its the quality of player in certain roles that needs improving....and it just so happens theres a huge chance of a turnaround in that department this year.

[B.H.F.C]

I think he's right, I know a lot will scoff at the matrix and stats things as they don't win games of football but the fact we have both been in winning positions or created enough chances to win games without converting shows that the way we are playing has signs of working and its the quality of player in certain roles that needs improving....and it just so happens theres a huge chance of a turnaround in that department this year.

I’m no really on board with some of the terminology about metrics etc. But, without defending results to date, I’ve said elsewhere I don’t think we’re a millions miles away from being able to improve things. Other than against the Old Firm, we rarely lose. There is a glaring issue defensively which needs addressed, and whether Montgomery will still be there and whether he can fix it, remains to be seen. You’ve got your number one goalie out of contract and two centre halves out of contract so that creates the space you need to deal with the biggest issue you have. You sort that, you get a big improvement in results for me. As I say, it’s easier said than done but fix that and a lot of those 2-2 draws become wins.

[One Day Soon]

"We're close to being a very good team". Oh dear.

What can be deduced from that article in summary:

1. He's clearly getting to start next season.
2. The club statement was an exercise in crowd management with no serious intent behind it as regards NM.
3. Implies you could have all the excuses in the world for this season but that results are what really matter. Then goes on to rehearse his familiar excuses.
4. States that we've improved a lot even if its not visible.
5. Offers no evidence whatsoever to support contention that we are 'close' to anything or that we have improved, just asserts it.
6. Goes into no depth at all as to how things are going to improve next season, just asserts it.

Most worrying of all in some respects: "The club brought me here to change the identity and the way that we played." What identity is that? Reads to me like we will be treated to the same thin diet of non-urgent, predictable, borefest, Montyball across the back line next season too.

Delighted to scoff huge amounts of humble pie next season if I'm wrong but the thought of watching this season all over again fills me with dread.

[Brightside]

"We're close to being a very good team". Oh dear.

What can be deduced from that article in summary:

1. He's clearly getting to start next season.
2. The club statement was an exercise in crowd management with no serious intent behind it as regards NM.
3. Implies you could have all the excuses in the world for this season but that results are what really matter. Then goes on to rehearse his familiar excuses.
4. States that we've improved a lot even if its not visible.
5. Offers no evidence whatsoever to support contention that we are 'close' to anything or that we have improved, just asserts it.
6. Goes into no depth at all as to how things are going to improve next season, just asserts it.

Most worrying of all in some respects: "The club brought me here to change the identity and the way that we played." What identity is that? Reads to me like we will be treated to the same thin diet of non-urgent, predictable, borefest, Montyball across the back line next season too.

Delighted to scoff huge amounts of humble pie next season if I'm wrong but the thought of watching this season all over again fills me with dread.

Get yourself a discount card for Iceland. Plenty of pie coming your way. :wink:

[One Day Soon]

Get yourself a discount card for Iceland. Plenty of pie coming your way. :wink:

I'm a 'plan for the worst, hope for the best' kind of guy so pie would be fine. I suspect it will be pi5h not pie though.

[Paulie Walnuts]

"We're close to being a very good team". Oh dear.

What can be deduced from that article in summary:

1. He's clearly getting to start next season.
2. The club statement was an exercise in crowd management with no serious intent behind it as regards NM.
3. Implies you could have all the excuses in the world for this season but that results are what really matter. Then goes on to rehearse his familiar excuses.
4. States that we've improved a lot even if its not visible.
5. Offers no evidence whatsoever to support contention that we are 'close' to anything or that we have improved, just asserts it.
6. Goes into no depth at all as to how things are going to improve next season, just asserts it.

Most worrying of all in some respects: "The club brought me here to change the identity and the way that we played." What identity is that? Reads to me like we will be treated to the same thin diet of non-urgent, predictable, borefest, Montyball across the back line next season too.

Delighted to scoff huge amounts of humble pie next season if I'm wrong but the thought of watching this season all over again fills me with dread.

Agree with all of that.

[MWHIBBIES]

I don't think scraping top 6 with Dundee is a fantastic achievement. If he'd done it with a bit of style sure. 10 wins in 33 league games is rubbish.

No different from someone like Tam Courts.

[bingo70]

Agree with all of that.

If once we have investigate what’s happened this season and we come to the conclusion we are actually heading in the right direction, despite the results saying otherwise, I’m happy to trust that judgement.

Keeping him on isn’t a face saving exercise for Kensell. If we keep him on, we will have assessed what progress has been made once you dig beneath the surface a bit and not looking solely at results. As supporters, all we see is results and performances: we don’t get to see the behind the scenes stuff that lead to the eventual outcome.

I suppose what I’m saying is if the board decide we need to trust the process then so be it. They’ve got no loyalty to the manager as he’s the previous regime’s man. If they decide he’s worth keeping on, then for me, it must be for good reason.

[flash]

"We're close to being a very good team". Oh dear.

What can be deduced from that article in summary:

1. He's clearly getting to start next season.
2. The club statement was an exercise in crowd management with no serious intent behind it as regards NM.
3. Implies you could have all the excuses in the world for this season but that results are what really matter. Then goes on to rehearse his familiar excuses.
4. States that we've improved a lot even if its not visible.
5. Offers no evidence whatsoever to support contention that we are 'close' to anything or that we have improved, just asserts it.
6. Goes into no depth at all as to how things are going to improve next season, just asserts it.

Most worrying of all in some respects: "The club brought me here to change the identity and the way that we played." What identity is that? Reads to me like we will be treated to the same thin diet of non-urgent, predictable, borefest, Montyball across the back line next season too.

Delighted to scoff huge amounts of humble pie next season if I'm wrong but the thought of watching this season all over again fills me with dread.

Points 3 to 6 are basically the same point worded slightly differently.

You could have saved yourself a decent amount of work there.

[One Day Soon]

Points 3 to 6 are basically the same point worded slightly differently.

You could have saved yourself a decent amount of work there.


Points 3 to 6 are his own unconvincing schtick as narrated by him throughout the interview, worded slightly differently by him each time. He may be secretly a very good manager, if so he's extremely good at hiding it.

[hibsbollah]

I’m no really on board with some of the terminology about metrics etc. But, without defending results to date, I’ve said elsewhere I don’t think we’re a millions miles away from being able to improve things. Other than against the Old Firm, we rarely lose. There is a glaring issue defensively which needs addressed, and whether Montgomery will still be there and whether he can fix it, remains to be seen. You’ve got your number one goalie out of contract and two centre halves out of contract so that creates the space you need to deal with the biggest issue you have. You sort that, you get a big improvement in results for me. As I say, it’s easier said than done but fix that and a lot of those 2-2 draws become wins.

This is where i am too.

[flash]

Points 3 to 6 are his own unconvincing schtick as narrated by him throughout the interview, worded slightly differently by him each time. He may be secretly a very good manager, if so he's extremely good at hiding it.

If he stays, and that's still a reasonably big if in my opinion, we need to see results right from the League Cup onwards.

Not a miraculous upturn simply start winning more of the games we should win coupled with better performances against the top teams.

If he can get that going then things will start to look a lot brighter pretty quickly.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If once we have investigate what’s happened this season and we come to the conclusion we are actually heading in the right direction, despite the results saying otherwise, I’m happy to trust that judgement.

Keeping him on isn’t a face saving exercise for Kensell. If we keep him on, we will have assessed what progress has been made once you dig beneath the surface a bit and not looking solely at results. As supporters, all we see is results and performances: we don’t get to see the behind the scenes stuff that lead to the eventual outcome.

I suppose what I’m saying is if the board decide we need to trust the process then so be it. They’ve got no loyalty to the manager as he’s the previous regime’s man. If they decide he’s worth keeping on, then for me, it must be for good reason.

I don’t think I’d trust the judgement as such, we’d have to accept it but I’d be fully expecting next season to be another **** show if we don’t sack him.

Completely get what you’re saying about what happens behind the scenes etc but as far as I’m concerned, none of that matters, it’s the results and performances that are the most important part of a football club, and as you say, that’s the part we can judge on. If behind the scenes was a disaster, players hating each other, not turning up to train etc but we came out and won games and performed well, then what happens behind the scenes wouldn’t really matter. Equally, if things are going well behind the scenes but results are woeful then the behind the scenes stuff doesn’t matter.

Our results and performances this season have been really poor and if a review comes up suggesting he’s the man to take us forward then put simply, I won’t agree with it. My own review of the season shows that in the parts that matter, results and performances, we’ve been miles off it.

[bingo70]

I don’t think I’d trust the judgement as such, we’d have to accept it but I’d be fully expecting next season to be another **** show if we don’t sack him.

Completely get what you’re saying about what happens behind the scenes etc but as far as I’m concerned, none of that matters, it’s the results and performances that are the most important part of a football club, and as you say, that’s the part we can judge on. They’ve been woeful and if a review comes up suggesting he’s the man to take us forward then I won’t agree with it.

What if they see things such as a poor player culture or behaviours that take time and players to change?

If you’re only investigating the end results then it’s pretty easy to come to the conclusion it’s not good enough and there’s no really any point in reviewing anything further.

If we’re reviewing how we got the end result and things become apparent that made the managers job a lot more difficult tha it appears from the surface then we can’t just ignore that.

If it was Kensell or McDermott conducting the review I’d have concerns and be less likely to accept the outcome as they could just be trying to save face in the hope he comes good. If the black knights review what’s happened and they think he should get the summer, it’s for good reason, IMO of course.

[Hibee Daft]

I don't mind the manager staying, the real issue is recruitment.

We have a very leaky defence.
A goalkeeper verging on retirement.
A slow midfield that doesn't fit montys desired playstyle apart from moriah Welsh.

We are lacking a top striker for this league I.e a a Mioviski, Griffiths, Shankland, Cummings etc

[Paulie Walnuts]

What if they see things such as a poor player culture or behaviours that take time and players to change?

If you’re only investigating the end results then it’s pretty easy to come to the conclusion it’s not good enough and there’s no really any point in reviewing anything further.

If we’re reviewing how we got the end result and things become apparent that made the managers job a lot more difficult tha it appears from the surface then we can’t just ignore that.

If it was Kensell or McDermott conducting the review I’d have concerns and be less likely to accept the outcome as they could just be trying to save face in the hope he comes good. If the black knights review what’s happened and they think he should get the summer, it’s for good reason, IMO of course.

He’s the manager and he’s had near enough a full season. It’s his job to develop a good player culture. If he hasn’t done that then I wouldn’t trust him to develop one next season either.

Obviously we don’t know what goes on BTS. But we’ve underperformed massively, and put simply, if there was something so major going on BTS that has caused these results, we’d already know about it imo. In reality, we’ve all watched a season of playing a shambolic system for huge periods, absolutely bizarre line ups/subs and what loads of folk deem a terrible style of football. That’s far more likely to be the reason for our results and performances imo.

[B.H.F.C]

If he stays, and that's still a reasonably big if in my opinion, we need to see results right from the League Cup onwards.

Not a miraculous upturn simply start winning more of the games we should win coupled with better performances against the top teams.

If he can get that going then things will start to look a lot brighter pretty quickly.

League Cup is big. Don’t want to be hearing any excuses about it being pre season and so on. It’s not, it’s competitive football and it’s only 11 weeks away. Given the position we find ourselves in we should have already started planning for the start of next season, which is the start of the League Cup campaign.

We really need to see signs that something is starting to develop right from the start IMO, whoever is in the dugout.

[CapitalGreen]

League Cup is big. Don’t want to be hearing any excuses about it being pre season and so on. It’s not, it’s competitive football and it’s only 11 weeks away. Given the position we find ourselves in we should have already started planning for the start of next season, which is the start of the League Cup campaign.

We really need to see signs that something is starting to develop right from the start IMO, whoever is in the dugout.

We have

[One Day Soon]

If he stays, and that's still a reasonably big if in my opinion, we need to see results right from the League Cup onwards.

Not a miraculous upturn simply start winning more of the games we should win coupled with better performances against the top teams.

If he can get that going then things will start to look a lot brighter pretty quickly.


This is where we can agree. You may think he should stay, I think he should be gone. However, if he is going to be here then exactly what you describe from the get-go is the minimum requirement. Wins on the board, better performances all round and no excuses please.

[bingo70]

He’s the manager and he’s had near enough a full season. It’s his job to develop a good player culture. If he hasn’t done that then I wouldn’t trust him to develop one next season either.

Obviously we don’t know what goes on BTS. But we’ve underperformed massively, and put simply, if there was something so major going on BTS that has caused these results, we’d already know about it imo. In reality, we’ve all watched a season of playing a shambolic system for huge periods, absolutely bizarre line ups/subs and what loads of folk deem a terrible style of football. That’s far more likely to be the reason for our results and performances imo.

I don’t necessarily disagree with you I just don’t think it’s as black and white as Monty=good or Monty=bad.

The manager isn’t an idiot and I suspect there’s things he’s got right and things he’s got wrong behind the scenes and as part of his decision making. I think the club will be looking at what he’s got wrong and what caused him to get things wrong. They’ll then look at what they can do next season that’ll be any different and if a new manager is needed for things to change.

I suppose when deciding if they should sack him, they’ll be considering if sacking him is a punishment for poor performance this season or if it’s because he’s not the right person to take the team next season. Maybe with all he’s learned this season he’s better placed than anybody to learn from it and improve us next season?!

I dunno though, I’m just trying to play devils advocate. I am not sure what I would do if I was the decision maker at the club. He’s not made a great case for continuing with him next season but if the club decide that’s what’s for the best I’m happy to have look at the positives and hope for the best. No point doing anything else really (that’s not a criticism of you or other posters, it’s just where my head is at with Monty)

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don’t necessarily disagree with you I just don’t think it’s as black and white as Monty=good or Monty=bad.

The manager isn’t an idiot and I suspect there’s things he’s got right and things he’s got wrong behind the scenes and as part of his decision making. I think the club will be looking at what he’s got wrong and what caused him to get things wrong. They’ll then look at what they can do next season that’ll be any different and if a new manager is needed for things to change.

I suppose when deciding if they should sack him, they’ll be considering if sacking him is a punishment for poor performance this season or if it’s because he’s not the right person to take the team next season. Maybe with all he’s learned this season he’s better placed than anybody to learn from it and improve us next season?!

I dunno though, I’m just trying to play devils advocate. I am not sure what I would do if I was the decision maker at the club. He’s not made a great case for continuing with him next season but if the club decide that’s what’s for the best I’m happy to have look at the positives and hope for the best. No point doing anything else really (that’s not a criticism of you or other posters, it’s just where my head is at with Monty)

I think your point is fair, even though I dont agree with it.

The biggest thing for me is that whilst you don’t think it’s as black and white as Monty good/Monty bad, I think it’s been that poor in terms of both performance and results, which are the only things that matter, that it really is that black and white. You can’t perform so badly, and have absolutely nothing to point to, having had pretty much a full season where you have at no point had any credit in the bank because you’ve done pretty much nothing of significance. I think you could make an argument for it not being so black and white for Lee Johnson. I think there could almost be an argument for it for Maloney given the squad he had. I don’t think that argument can be made for Montgomery though.

Montgomery for me has been our worst manager in pretty much a decade. Considering we’ve had 8 managers, the majority of them having been sacked, that’s desperately poor.

[WeeRussell]

Points 3 to 6 are basically the same point worded slightly differently.

You could have saved yourself a decent amount of work there.

And points 1 and 2 aren’t necessarily true.

[Smartie]

If he stays, and that's still a reasonably big if in my opinion, we need to see results right from the League Cup onwards.

Not a miraculous upturn simply start winning more of the games we should win coupled with better performances against the top teams.

If he can get that going then things will start to look a lot brighter pretty quickly.

The problem with this is... what happens if we don't see results right away in the League Cup? Do we sack another manager in August and lose the ability to have a manager in place with recruitment being carried out to suit his preferred playing style?

The size of the rebuilding job this summer is substantial and the best case scenario is that we go into the League Cup games with talented new players in key positions finding their feet. Worst case scenario we're trying to get results with dross who have previously failed to reach targets, in reality we'll probably have a bit of a nightmare combination of the two.

I think it's black and white, cut and dried - he's either the man or he's not. If the decision is reached that he's not, he should be binned already and the search underway for a replacement, with new players for the new season being found appropriately. If this isn't already happening then I think he needs firmly backed, come what may, by the club - both financially and by helping him tough out a bit of disquiet if things don't all go our way over the opening fixtures of the season. The league cup has been a bit of a graveyard for premier league clubs and I personally think we might be hanging him out to dry if we demand much of those fixtures, given the players he'll have at his disposal and therefore his chances of succeeding more likely be the responsibility of someone else rather than him.

[Donegal Hibby]

And points 1 and 2 aren’t necessarily true.

Add points 1, 2 , 3 and 6 together and you probably have a good figure on the amount of points officials have cost us this season too , won't be far away i think . Another reason I have a certain sympathy for our manager just missing out on top 6 too btw 👍

[The Tubs]

It's surely all just idle speculation, is it not? Will we not have to wait until the football management above him is announced to know who's going to be our head coach?

[bingo70]

It's surely all just idle speculation, is it not? Will we not have to wait until the football management above him is announced to know who's going to be our head coach?

Idle speculation is pretty much the whole point of this message board.

If it’s just facts your wanting you’d be better reading the official Hibs website.

[The Tubs]

Idle speculation is pretty much the whole point of this message board.

If it’s just facts your wanting you’d be better reading the official Hibs website.

I completely agree with you. What else is there to do from one Saturday to another?

The point I was trying to make is that the conclusion that Monty's staying because of his tone in an interview is a bit of a leap. Feel free to make that leap if you want, of course.

[bingo70]

I completely agree with you. What else is there to do from one Saturday to another?

The point I was trying to make is that the conclusion that Monty's staying because of his tone in an interview is a bit of a leap. Feel free to make that leap if you want, of course.

I didn’t realise your post was in response to the tone of Monty’s post suggesting he was staying, you never quoted anybody. Tubs- I’m a simple man that’s easily confused.

You’re right about what you say though, what he says is neither here nor there really, it won’t be his decision if the club decide to part ways with him so I don’t doubt he’ll continue planning as normal for next season until told otherwise.

[WhileTheChief..]

Interview is the same as one LJ gave last season.

Remember him telling us how he could write a book with the 100 things we do wrong at Hibs?!

Now it's NM saying how LJ had it all wrong and that he had to come in and the sort out the mess left behind, all fans can see or care about is results, and he need time to get it right despite being really close. Total BS.

We're nowhere near close to where we want to be and most fans can see perfectly well what the problems are. It's the people at the club, and NM earlier in the season, that didn't have a clue.

If he genuinely thinks we're really close to where we want to be, we need to get rid pronto.

[WhileTheChief..]

If once we have investigate what’s happened this season and we come to the conclusion we are actually heading in the right direction, despite the results saying otherwise, I’m happy to trust that judgement.

Keeping him on isn’t a face saving exercise for Kensell. If we keep him on, we will have assessed what progress has been made once you dig beneath the surface a bit and not looking solely at results. As supporters, all we see is results and performances: we don’t get to see the behind the scenes stuff that lead to the eventual outcome.

I suppose what I’m saying is if the board decide we need to trust the process then so be it. They’ve got no loyalty to the manager as he’s the previous regime’s man. If they decide he’s worth keeping on, then for me, it must be for good reason.

This is the bit I don't get. In professional sport it's results that count more than anything and is the whole point in competing!

The patrosnising tone that NM uses about fans not seeing things is BS. We've been watching the same crap for years and know exactly what the problems are. We bang on about it every week ffs.

[Brightside]

This is the bit I don't get. In professional sport it's results that count more than anything and is the whole point in competing!

The patrosnising tone that NM uses about fans not seeing things is BS. We've been watching the same crap for years and know exactly what the problems are. We bang on about it every week ffs.

You are just imagining a patronising tone. There has been nothing patronising about NM since he walked in the door.

[WhileTheChief..]

You are just imagining a patronising tone. There has been nothing patronising about NM since he walked in the door.

Yeah I guess we see things differently.

He's saying we're not far away from being a good team but the fans can't see it?

Really? Wtf?

I see it every week. We've been telling him exactly what needs fixed since before he took the job, but nah, he knew better. Still does apparently.

He mentions top 6 as if that's something to shout about. When he got the job, he should have been targeting 3rd, or 4th as a minimum. It's only cause we were so bad that top 6 became the 'target'.

So next season, will finishing 6th be seen as an improvement? I know technically it would be, but c'mon, some of us are looking for better than that.

I don't understand how anyone can think Hibs couldn't find someone better to take over. I'd like us to get the best manager we can, and take it from there. I don't believe for a second that NM is the best we could get.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yeah I guess we see things differently.

He's saying we're not far away from being a good team but the fans can't see it?

Really? Wtf?

I see it every week. We've been telling him exactly what needs fixed since before he took the job, but nah, he knew better. Still does apparently.

He mentions top 6 as if that's something to shout about. When he got the job, he should have been targeting 3rd, or 4th as a minimum. It's only cause we were so bad that top 6 became the 'target'.

So next season, will finishing 6th be seen as an improvement? I know technically it would be, but c'mon, some of us are looking for better than that.

I don't understand how anyone can think Hibs couldn't find someone better to take over. I'd like us to get the best manager we can, and take it from there. I don't believe for a second that NM is the best we could get.

Your last paragraph is the biggest thing for me. Theres absolutely no doubt in my mind that we could get a better manager. I’d actually go as far as saying I doubt we’d manage to get a much worse manager on the presumption we weren’t deliberately trying to. On that basis alone, he should be out the door, much like Garry O’Neill was and replaced.

As Bingo said earlier, Montgomery can say what he likes in interviews. He will have absolutely no input as to whether he gets kept on, so unless the review is already complete, he has to talk about what he’s going to do next season as he’s contracted to be here. What he says in public though will have absolutely zero impact on the outcome of the review though and I’m still in little doubt he’ll be sacked. It’s the only logical outcome from a review of a manager who has been an utter failure and shown nothing.

[Brightside]

Yeah I guess we see things differently.

He's saying we're not far away from being a good team but the fans can't see it?

Really? Wtf?

I see it every week. We've been telling him exactly what needs fixed since before he took the job, but nah, he knew better. Still does apparently.

He mentions top 6 as if that's something to shout about. When he got the job, he should have been targeting 3rd, or 4th as a minimum. It's only cause we were so bad that top 6 became the 'target'.

So next season, will finishing 6th be seen as an improvement? I know technically it would be, but c'mon, some of us are looking for better than that.

I don't understand how anyone can think Hibs couldn't find someone better to take over. I'd like us to get the best manager we can, and take it from there. I don't believe for a second that NM is the best we could get.


See I don't think we are far away from being a good team. Highlights will show you that. If we sort out the daft errors we are bang up the league and nobody is claiming its boring etc. I don't think we are as far away as you think.

[Mon Dieu4]

See I don't think we are far away from being a good team. Highlights will show you that. If we sort out the daft errors we are bang up the league and nobody is claiming its boring etc. I don't think we are as far away as you think.

Even with the VAR decisions and lost goals I find 80% of our games boring due to the style we are being made to play and lots of people feel the same

[Paulie Walnuts]

Even with the VAR decisions and lost goals I find 80% of our games boring due to the style we are being made to play and lots of people feel the same

There’s absolutely nobody I know in real life who enjoys watching Hibs under Montgomery. The only people I’ve seen claiming they do are a small handful of folk on here.

In my experience, the overwhelming majority of folk think we’re brutal to watch.

[B.H.F.C]

See I don't think we are far away from being a good team. Highlights will show you that. If we sort out the daft errors we are bang up the league and nobody is claiming its boring etc. I don't think we are as far away as you think.

I don’t think we’re far away from getting better results. I do think we’re a bit further away from being a good watch. That said, if the results improve, the perception of how good or poor we are to watch will change. Biggest issue is the results, if you’re not getting them then it’s crap full stop.

[Brightside]

There’s absolutely nobody I know in real life who enjoys watching Hibs under Montgomery. The only people I’ve seen claiming they do are a small handful of folk on here.

In my experience, the overwhelming majority of folk think we’re brutal to watch.

You need to find more positive people to go to the games with. :greengrin

[snedzuk]

Yeah I guess we see things differently.

He's saying we're not far away from being a good team but the fans can't see it?

Really? Wtf?

I see it every week. We've been telling him exactly what needs fixed since before he took the job, but nah, he knew better. Still does apparently.

He mentions top 6 as if that's something to shout about. When he got the job, he should have been targeting 3rd, or 4th as a minimum. It's only cause we were so bad that top 6 became the 'target'.

So next season, will finishing 6th be seen as an improvement? I know technically it would be, but c'mon, some of us are looking for better than that.

I don't understand how anyone can think Hibs couldn't find someone better to take over. I'd like us to get the best manager we can, and take it from there. I don't believe for a second that NM is the best we could get.

The best post illustrating why missing out on top six thanks to a ropey shy at Ross County isn't really a thing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You need to find more positive people to go to the games with. :greengrin

Just to add to the positive vibes, the folk I usually go to games with have no interest in going to watch us under Montgomery, such is how crap they think it is, so it’s not a case of more positive people to go with, it’s people to go with full stop :greengrin

[bingo70]

This is the bit I don't get. In professional sport it's results that count more than anything and is the whole point in competing!

The patrosnising tone that NM uses about fans not seeing things is BS. We've been watching the same crap for years and know exactly what the problems are. We bang on about it every week ffs.

In professional sport though they don’t just look at the end result, they always investigate how they get to the end result.

Sometimes that means going through some pain before achieving where you want to get to.

Teams or individuals don’t just look at the end result if they won and think everything must be great because they won, they analyse how they got there and if it will be the right thing ti continue doing if they want to keep on winning.

I’m not suggesting it’s a case of him trying hard so he should get a chance, I’m saying when conducting a review of the footballing operation, the club will need to dig deeper than just looking at the result to see what’s caused the end result to be so poor.