Next Manager?

[The Modfather]

This is the bit I don't get. In professional sport it's results that count more than anything and is the whole point in competing!

The patrosnising tone that NM uses about fans not seeing things is BS. We've been watching the same crap for years and know exactly what the problems are. We bang on about it every week ffs.

There’s a reason why there’s near universal agreement that a squad clear out and massive re-build is needed whether Monty stays or goes. No one is advocating us only needing a new manager and that manager only needing to make small tweaks to the current squad. That’s why Monty isn’t the route of all our problems. He’s only one of the problems amidst problems that long predate him.

[HIBS NUTS]

The continued sacking of managers, has led to all the squad getting a new start with each manager coming in, by the time the manager discovers, that most of the players are decent footballers, but have no mental strength, he gets sacked, and it all starts again.
It’s time to stick, with the current manager, and have a clear out of most of the players.
If we become much more successful with the players that come in, after new investments, then the fans will be back on board.
STICK.

[worcesterhibby]

Look at the end of the day NONE of us know how succesful Monty could be if given time. He has had success before (in a different league, at a different level, but success none the less) and there are countless examples of managers not doing great in the first season or two, clubs sticking by them and it ending with success further down the line. Everyone mentions Fergie at Man Utd, but even McInnes at Kilmarnock is a good example.

Do I think Monty should stay ? I'm undecided, unconvinced I don't see enough anger at defeats. I don't see enough fight from his team.

Do I think we need to stop sacking managers every 9 months - YES

Do any of us know whether sticking with him will ultimately lead to success ? No we don't (and it really depends what your criteria for success is)

Without actually knowing what are real options are (would McInnes come to Hibs...Can the Black Knights persaude a top European with a proper track record to come ? is our best realistic alternative someone like Stephen Robinson ?) how can we judge if sticking with Monty is the best option. I certainly don't.

Here is what I DO know.. Whoever is in charge next year needs to make defence our religion. ALL our players should take any goal scored against us as a personal insult that we will avenge. I don't want to see shrugged shoulders and guys walking away shaking their heads, I want to see a team that takes responsibility and puts it right. "How dare you F88ckers score against us, right you've bloody asked for it now!" We need leaders down the spine of the team, who refuse to accept mediocrity. We need to go into the League Cup matches hungry and nasty.. willing to win every individual battle on the field and desperate to show lower league clubs and journeymen footballers that we are HIBS and we have changed and we want to absolutely slaughter them. We shouldn't want to win.. we should KNOW we are going to win and what we WANT is to humiliate them. Nasty, agressive, big team bullies. You earn the right to play attractive football by doing the hard, dirty, ugly work first. Then you celebrate every goal with the fans, use every last ounce of energy to make sure you win and tell team mates where they can F++k off to, if there attitude is not the same. I want teams to hate coming to Easter Road and I want Hibs fans to count the minutes till they can see a team again because they play in our colours and have the determination, the skill and the swagger to make them proud.

Our big problem should be keeping these players at Hibs.. currently our big problem is getting rid of players who don't think like this.

and yes Mr Kensall if you want me to do the team talks, I'm available ! :greengrin

Foock the Hearts
**** the Rangers
Let's get intae them

[WhileTheChief..]

There’s a reason why there’s near universal agreement that a squad clear out and massive re-build is needed whether Monty stays or goes. No one is advocating us only needing a new manager and that manager only needing to make small tweaks to the current squad. That’s why Monty isn’t the route of all our problems. He’s only one of the problems amidst problems that long predate him.

I agree with all of this.

But when NM is saying we're really close to be being a good side.......

Nope, I'm not seeing that at all. Not even close.

[Donegal Hibby]

One of quite a few reasons I'm for giving Monty time here .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/revealed-huge-var-mistakes-hibs-top-six-race-scottish-premiership-referees-derby-penalty-4612534

[Brightside]

https://x.com/9125analysis/status/1785568756384641063?s=46&t=7Pn9zvZ0haEqqsYwoPFOqg


Pretty close to being a good team.

[Since452]

One of quite a few reasons I'm for giving Monty time here .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/revealed-huge-var-mistakes-hibs-top-six-race-scottish-premiership-referees-derby-penalty-4612534

VAR didn't cost us top six. Months of shocking performances did. That's on the manager. VAR is a comfort blanket for "Monty" fans.

[Alex Trager]

VAR didn't cost us top six. Months of shocking performances did. That's on the manager. VAR is a comfort blanket for "Monty" fans.

I think it’s a fair analysis that both the refereeing decisions and the bad performances can be pointed to as to why we never got top six.

I don’t think from the second Hearts scored their penalty they had an attempt on goal, could and probably am wrong, but my memory is that we were completely on top from the minute we took centre until the game finished.

That is a good example of a refereeing decision screwing us over. Incidentally, we’d be top six if we’d won that game.

Obviously we don’t know how the game would have went if they never got the pen and we may have had a shocker of a second half. But looking st the way it did pan out, it’s fair to say that decision cost us two points.

[FifeHibs]

https://x.com/9125analysis/status/1785568756384641063?s=46&t=7Pn9zvZ0haEqqsYwoPFOqg


Pretty close to being a good team.


If we were close to being a good team, which we are not, we would not have earned 25 points less than Hearts since December the 10th when we were above them in the league.

[FifeHibs]

In my opinion VAR decisions have not been good this year and have cost Hibs points. To the extent that everyone is blaming this for costing us a top 6 finish.

A top 6 finish is the minimum absolute bare minimum. As a fan with the investment and attacking options we have i was expecting to be challenging for 3rd with 4th being acceptable.

Both Aberdeen and Hearts played 2 games a week whilst in Europe and we still could not take advantage and pull clear them.

I would hope as a club or fan base we cannot use a performance against a woeful st Johnstone whom have won 5 games since the start of December (2 against Hibs) as metric for improvement under Monty

[snedzuk]

Look at the end of the day NONE of us know how succesful Monty could be if given time. He has had success before (in a different league, at a different level, but success none the less) and there are countless examples of managers not doing great in the first season or two, clubs sticking by them and it ending with success further down the line. Everyone mentions Fergie at Man Utd, but even McInnes at Kilmarnock is a good example.

Do I think Monty should stay ? I'm undecided, unconvinced I don't see enough anger at defeats. I don't see enough fight from his team.

Do I think we need to stop sacking managers every 9 months - YES

Do any of us know whether sticking with him will ultimately lead to success ? No we don't (and it really depends what your criteria for success is)

Without actually knowing what are real options are (would McInnes come to Hibs...Can the Black Knights persaude a top European with a proper track record to come ? is our best realistic alternative someone like Stephen Robinson ?) how can we judge if sticking with Monty is the best option. I certainly don't.

Here is what I DO know.. Whoever is in charge next year needs to make defence our religion. ALL our players should take any goal scored against us as a personal insult that we will avenge. I don't want to see shrugged shoulders and guys walking away shaking their heads, I want to see a team that takes responsibility and puts it right. "How dare you F88ckers score against us, right you've bloody asked for it now!" We need leaders down the spine of the team, who refuse to accept mediocrity. We need to go into the League Cup matches hungry and nasty.. willing to win every individual battle on the field and desperate to show lower league clubs and journeymen footballers that we are HIBS and we have changed and we want to absolutely slaughter them. We shouldn't want to win.. we should KNOW we are going to win and what we WANT is to humiliate them. Nasty, agressive, big team bullies. You earn the right to play attractive football by doing the hard, dirty, ugly work first. Then you celebrate every goal with the fans, use every last ounce of energy to make sure you win and tell team mates where they can F++k off to, if there attitude is not the same. I want teams to hate coming to Easter Road and I want Hibs fans to count the minutes till they can see a team again because they play in our colours and have the determination, the skill and the swagger to make them proud.

Our big problem should be keeping these players at Hibs.. currently our big problem is getting rid of players who don't think like this.

and yes Mr Kensall if you want me to do the team talks, I'm available ! :greengrin

Foock the Hearts
**** the Rangers
Let's get intae them

Years ago I read a piece by Willie Miller saying that anytime they lost a goal, him, Leighton and McLeish went for dinner to discuss how they could avoid losing a similar one in future. Even if they won 6.1

[Unseen work]

https://x.com/9125analysis/status/1785568756384641063?s=46&t=7Pn9zvZ0haEqqsYwoPFOqg


Pretty close to being a good team.

Whilst I do get what he’s thread is saying and do agree to an extent. I think our first half was ok on Saturday against a really poor St Johnstone team.

Second half we were much better imo from just playing it a bit quicker.

From all those clips he posted of playing out that way it was St Johnstone that came closest to scoring twice with us once in the clip where NMW and Marcondes played two quick passes. I think what we need to remember is we won’t create a chance from it every time, it’s just not possible - but the alternative is a hoof up the park which 9/10 the opposition would win

I do get we also lost to them at home not long ago so you should take positive from it and tbh if we played like Saturday most weeks I’d be delighted - but we need to see it a lot more regularly.

[Donegal Hibby]

VAR didn't cost us top six. Months of shocking performances did. That's on the manager. VAR is a comfort blanket for "Monty" fans.

I said before that there are a few reasons why we didn't make top 6 though officials/ VAR has been one of the reasons though .

Ross county game , added time , Hibs throw not given , taken wrong spot , Aberdeen handball ,hertz penalty , penalty we should have had against St Johnstone etc etc etc.

All moments have / could have changed the outcome of our games that's went against us and is out of the managers control , quite frankly I thought last year we had a few though this season been much worse.

I wouldn't necessarily call myself a " Monty " fan , if he goes he goes though i do think he deserves more than one transfer window and deserves a pre -season especially when you look at the bigger picture with what's been going on this season.

Sadly the anti Monty ones are unwilling to do that as it doesn't suit in with their agenda in having him replaced at all costs in refereeing decisions don't matter in a football game .

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-var-calls-controversial-celtic-rangers-hearts-uproar-brutal-season-4612917?page=1

[worcesterhibby]

https://x.com/9125analysis/status/1785568756384641063?s=46&t=7Pn9zvZ0haEqqsYwoPFOqg


Pretty close to being a good team.

Ok so this is my issue with modern football. In those clips, that seemingly show us how close we are to being a good team, we lose the ball every time before we get to the opposition box. Every time. The very fact that we play it out from the back pretty much every time, means that we also have the tendancy to lose it around our own box, which has cost us goals all season.

For the sake of argument, I would suggest that if we had two big muckle strikers and a couple of tall tough guys in midfield and we booted it long every time, we would create just as many opportunities, but would NEVER lose the ball around our own box. The Man City/Barcelona play it out from the back every time, style of play only works if you have fantastic technical players in every position, capable of showing for the ball, receiving it in tight spaces and laying it off to a team mate 96 times out of 100. We can't afford to buy or pay, players of that ability, so we will continue to be "close" to being a good team forever, but never get there if we insist on the sloe build as our only tactic.

I don't want us to be a long ball hoof and hope team, but the current dogma of insisting that we pretend we are Man City, while employing players that aren't even good enough for Birmingham City is the definition of madness....doing the same thing, again and again and expecting a different outcome.

Do Hearts try to play like Man City ? NO
Do Kilmarnock try to play like Man City? NO
Do St Mirren try to play liker Man City? NO

What have they got in common? Lots more points than us.

Monty is building a team that plays a way that means we can't succeed (with the standard of players we can afford). We brought in technically better players in January and we looked a bit better, but basically, still couldn't win games against teams who "looked" inferior to us. They aren't inferior to us..they just don't try to look flash, they just get the job done.

Personally I find Man City boring to watch. They often pass the ball 25-35 times before bothering to get anywhere near the opposition box. We generally aren't capable of managing 5 or 6 passes without it breaking down as the clip you linked to shows. We are not Man City.. we need to realise that quickly or next season will be exactly the same as this season, no matter what players we buy.

[Chorley Hibee]

Ok so this is my issue with modern football. In those clips, that seemingly show us how close we are to being a good team, we lose the ball every time before we get to the opposition box. Every time. The very fact that we play it out from the back pretty much every time, means that we also have the tendancy to lose it around our own box, which has cost us goals all season.

For the sake of argument, I would suggest that if we had two big muckle strikers and a couple of tall tough guys in midfield and we booted it long every time, we would create just as many opportunities, but would NEVER lose the ball around our own box. The Man City/Barcelona play it out from the back every time, style of play only works if you have fantastic technical players in every position, capable of showing for the ball, receiving it in tight spaces and laying it off to a team mate 96 times out of 100. We can't afford to buy or pay, players of that ability, so we will continue to be "close" to being a good team forever, but never get there if we insist on the sloe build as our only tactic.

I don't want us to be a long ball hoof and hope team, but the current dogma of insisting that we pretend we are Man City, while employing players that aren't even good enough for Birmingham City is the definition of madness....doing the same thing, again and again and expecting a different outcome.

Do Hearts try to play like Man City ? NO
Do Kilmarnock try to play like Man City? NO
Do St Mirren try to play liker Man City? NO

What have they got in common? Lots more points than us.

Monty is building a team that plays a way that means we can't succeed (with the standard of players we can afford). We brought in technically better players in January and we looked a bit better, but basically, still couldn't win games against teams who "looked" inferior to us. They aren't inferior to us..they just don't try to look flash, they just get the job done.

Personally I find Man City boring to watch. They often pass the ball 25-35 times before bothering to get anywhere near the opposition box. We generally aren't capable of managing 5 or 6 passes without it breaking down as the clip you linked to shows. We are not Man City.. we need to realise that quickly or next season will be exactly the same as this season, no matter what players we buy.

Exactly how I feel.

Clips showing how we're nearly a good football team.

Give me a break.

[bingo70]

Ok so this is my issue with modern football. In those clips, that seemingly show us how close we are to being a good team, we lose the ball every time before we get to the opposition box. Every time. The very fact that we play it out from the back pretty much every time, means that we also have the tendancy to lose it around our own box, which has cost us goals all season.

For the sake of argument, I would suggest that if we had two big muckle strikers and a couple of tall tough guys in midfield and we booted it long every time, we would create just as many opportunities, but would NEVER lose the ball around our own box. The Man City/Barcelona play it out from the back every time, style of play only works if you have fantastic technical players in every position, capable of showing for the ball, receiving it in tight spaces and laying it off to a team mate 96 times out of 100. We can't afford to buy or pay, players of that ability, so we will continue to be "close" to being a good team forever, but never get there if we insist on the sloe build as our only tactic.

I don't want us to be a long ball hoof and hope team, but the current dogma of insisting that we pretend we are Man City, while employing players that aren't even good enough for Birmingham City is the definition of madness....doing the same thing, again and again and expecting a different outcome.

Do Hearts try to play like Man City ? NO
Do Kilmarnock try to play like Man City? NO
Do St Mirren try to play liker Man City? NO

What have they got in common? Lots more points than us.

Monty is building a team that plays a way that means we can't succeed (with the standard of players we can afford). We brought in technically better players in January and we looked a bit better, but basically, still couldn't win games against teams who "looked" inferior to us. They aren't inferior to us..they just don't try to look flash, they just get the job done.

Personally I find Man City boring to watch. They often pass the ball 25-35 times before bothering to get anywhere near the opposition box. We generally aren't capable of managing 5 or 6 passes without it breaking down as the clip you linked to shows. We are not Man City.. we need to realise that quickly or next season will be exactly the same as this season, no matter what players we buy.

It’s an interesting point.

I think there’s a misconception that entertaining football needs to be Barca style passing of the ball.

For me, playing with really high intensity and getting it forward quickly to exciting forwards is equally as entertaining.

I have enjoyed lots of spells in games since Montgomery was appointed without enjoying all the games. I suppose the key for Montgomery is recognising there’s a balance to be had between playing that way he wants to play but also recognising there needs to be other times we don’t play like that and be more direct. The likes of Barca and Man City probably don’t need to do that as they’re so much better than us at it, as you’d expect.

[Brightside]

Ok so this is my issue with modern football. In those clips, that seemingly show us how close we are to being a good team, we lose the ball every time before we get to the opposition box. Every time. The very fact that we play it out from the back pretty much every time, means that we also have the tendancy to lose it around our own box, which has cost us goals all season.

For the sake of argument, I would suggest that if we had two big muckle strikers and a couple of tall tough guys in midfield and we booted it long every time, we would create just as many opportunities, but would NEVER lose the ball around our own box. The Man City/Barcelona play it out from the back every time, style of play only works if you have fantastic technical players in every position, capable of showing for the ball, receiving it in tight spaces and laying it off to a team mate 96 times out of 100. We can't afford to buy or pay, players of that ability, so we will continue to be "close" to being a good team forever, but never get there if we insist on the sloe build as our only tactic.

I don't want us to be a long ball hoof and hope team, but the current dogma of insisting that we pretend we are Man City, while employing players that aren't even good enough for Birmingham City is the definition of madness....doing the same thing, again and again and expecting a different outcome.

Do Hearts try to play like Man City ? NO
Do Kilmarnock try to play like Man City? NO
Do St Mirren try to play liker Man City? NO

What have they got in common? Lots more points than us.

Monty is building a team that plays a way that means we can't succeed (with the standard of players we can afford). We brought in technically better players in January and we looked a bit better, but basically, still couldn't win games against teams who "looked" inferior to us. They aren't inferior to us..they just don't try to look flash, they just get the job done.

Personally I find Man City boring to watch. They often pass the ball 25-35 times before bothering to get anywhere near the opposition box. We generally aren't capable of managing 5 or 6 passes without it breaking down as the clip you linked to shows. We are not Man City.. we need to realise that quickly or next season will be exactly the same as this season, no matter what players we buy.
I don't think we are trying to play anything close the way the likes of Man City play. Players lose the ball constantly in all levels of football. All I will say is I don't find anything we are doing boring right now. There is plenty good football on display. IF we played like Dundee or Hearts this forum would be chock full of people complaining (just like there is on the Hearts forum)

[Alex Trager]

In my opinion VAR decisions have not been good this year and have cost Hibs points. To the extent that everyone is blaming this for costing us a top 6 finish.

A top 6 finish is the minimum absolute bare minimum. As a fan with the investment and attacking options we have i was expecting to be challenging for 3rd with 4th being acceptable.

Both Aberdeen and Hearts played 2 games a week whilst in Europe and we still could not take advantage and pull clear them.

I would hope as a club or fan base we cannot use a performance against a woeful st Johnstone whom have won 5 games since the start of December (2 against Hibs) as metric for improvement under Monty
We were in Europe as long as Hearts were mate.

[Tyler Durden]

Ok so this is my issue with modern football. In those clips, that seemingly show us how close we are to being a good team, we lose the ball every time before we get to the opposition box. Every time. The very fact that we play it out from the back pretty much every time, means that we also have the tendancy to lose it around our own box, which has cost us goals all season.

For the sake of argument, I would suggest that if we had two big muckle strikers and a couple of tall tough guys in midfield and we booted it long every time, we would create just as many opportunities, but would NEVER lose the ball around our own box. The Man City/Barcelona play it out from the back every time, style of play only works if you have fantastic technical players in every position, capable of showing for the ball, receiving it in tight spaces and laying it off to a team mate 96 times out of 100. We can't afford to buy or pay, players of that ability, so we will continue to be "close" to being a good team forever, but never get there if we insist on the sloe build as our only tactic.

I don't want us to be a long ball hoof and hope team, but the current dogma of insisting that we pretend we are Man City, while employing players that aren't even good enough for Birmingham City is the definition of madness....doing the same thing, again and again and expecting a different outcome.

Do Hearts try to play like Man City ? NO
Do Kilmarnock try to play like Man City? NO
Do St Mirren try to play liker Man City? NO

What have they got in common? Lots more points than us.

Monty is building a team that plays a way that means we can't succeed (with the standard of players we can afford). We brought in technically better players in January and we looked a bit better, but basically, still couldn't win games against teams who "looked" inferior to us. They aren't inferior to us..they just don't try to look flash, they just get the job done.

Personally I find Man City boring to watch. They often pass the ball 25-35 times before bothering to get anywhere near the opposition box. We generally aren't capable of managing 5 or 6 passes without it breaking down as the clip you linked to shows. We are not Man City.. we need to realise that quickly or next season will be exactly the same as this season, no matter what players we buy.


When the passing works for us we score goals like Jair's away to Dundee or Youan's (I think?) away at ICT. Brilliant quick passing.

But... I kinda agree with your overall point. In most of the clips we give the ball away through bad passing or unforced errors basically. Is it necessary to play this style in our league? Is it a good idea?

I don't think we're trying to play like Man City. Man City dominate possession in the opponents half. That's something we rarely do. We keep it in our own half, often quite slowly, trying to bait a press that quite often won't come as a number of teams will be happy to sit very deep against us. Our passing is often really poor.

I'm genuinely conflicted as to whether Monty needs time and it's worth persisting with this. But if you look at a Mowbray or Stubbs team, we had passing that quickly moved up the park collectively and could work in transition or dominating possession and pinning opponents back. Montyball just doesn't compare.

[Brightside]

All styles of play can work. Jeez we have airdrie knocking the ball about like Barca some weeks, even lower leagues like Rossvale playing some lovely passing, possession based football. And we do mix it up - its not always slow build up and it nots always play out from the back.

[Tyler Durden]

All styles of play can work. Jeez we have airdrie knocking the ball about like Barca some weeks, even lower leagues like Rossvale playing some lovely passing, possession based football. And we do mix it up - its not always slow build up and it nots always play out from the back.

I think Airdrie play great football. I just don't see our style as being remotely similar and we don't mix it up enough IMO.

[Smartie]

All styles of play can work. Jeez we have airdrie knocking the ball about like Barca some weeks, even lower leagues like Rossvale playing some lovely passing, possession based football. And we do mix it up - its not always slow build up and it nots always play out from the back.

We do mix it up… and it would be unfair not to acknowledge that occasionally we click and play good stuff for spells. It’s also unfair to expect to do that for 90 minutes every week.

That better stuff normally happens when we play with a bit more directness and intensity earlier in games than starting with dull, wafty, slow paced pish that often leads to us chasing games later on - and with an irritated and bored support.

I can never really decide whether it’s managerial instruction or decision making of key players. For example - we often look to be the better incarnation of ourselves when Moriah-Welsh is in the team.

[FifeHibs]

We were in Europe as long as Hearts were mate.

why did I think they were in Europe group stages last year,,, I need another coffee

[Smartie]

Ok so this is my issue with modern football. In those clips, that seemingly show us how close we are to being a good team, we lose the ball every time before we get to the opposition box. Every time. The very fact that we play it out from the back pretty much every time, means that we also have the tendancy to lose it around our own box, which has cost us goals all season.

For the sake of argument, I would suggest that if we had two big muckle strikers and a couple of tall tough guys in midfield and we booted it long every time, we would create just as many opportunities, but would NEVER lose the ball around our own box. The Man City/Barcelona play it out from the back every time, style of play only works if you have fantastic technical players in every position, capable of showing for the ball, receiving it in tight spaces and laying it off to a team mate 96 times out of 100. We can't afford to buy or pay, players of that ability, so we will continue to be "close" to being a good team forever, but never get there if we insist on the sloe build as our only tactic.

I don't want us to be a long ball hoof and hope team, but the current dogma of insisting that we pretend we are Man City, while employing players that aren't even good enough for Birmingham City is the definition of madness....doing the same thing, again and again and expecting a different outcome.

Do Hearts try to play like Man City ? NO
Do Kilmarnock try to play like Man City? NO
Do St Mirren try to play liker Man City? NO

What have they got in common? Lots more points than us.

Monty is building a team that plays a way that means we can't succeed (with the standard of players we can afford). We brought in technically better players in January and we looked a bit better, but basically, still couldn't win games against teams who "looked" inferior to us. They aren't inferior to us..they just don't try to look flash, they just get the job done.

Personally I find Man City boring to watch. They often pass the ball 25-35 times before bothering to get anywhere near the opposition box. We generally aren't capable of managing 5 or 6 passes without it breaking down as the clip you linked to shows. We are not Man City.. we need to realise that quickly or next season will be exactly the same as this season, no matter what players we buy.

Good post.

[Dmas]

Ok so this is my issue with modern football. In those clips, that seemingly show us how close we are to being a good team, we lose the ball every time before we get to the opposition box. Every time. The very fact that we play it out from the back pretty much every time, means that we also have the tendancy to lose it around our own box, which has cost us goals all season.

For the sake of argument, I would suggest that if we had two big muckle strikers and a couple of tall tough guys in midfield and we booted it long every time, we would create just as many opportunities, but would NEVER lose the ball around our own box. The Man City/Barcelona play it out from the back every time, style of play only works if you have fantastic technical players in every position, capable of showing for the ball, receiving it in tight spaces and laying it off to a team mate 96 times out of 100. We can't afford to buy or pay, players of that ability, so we will continue to be "close" to being a good team forever, but never get there if we insist on the sloe build as our only tactic.

I don't want us to be a long ball hoof and hope team, but the current dogma of insisting that we pretend we are Man City, while employing players that aren't even good enough for Birmingham City is the definition of madness....doing the same thing, again and again and expecting a different outcome.

Do Hearts try to play like Man City ? NO
Do Kilmarnock try to play like Man City? NO
Do St Mirren try to play liker Man City? NO

What have they got in common? Lots more points than us.

Monty is building a team that plays a way that means we can't succeed (with the standard of players we can afford). We brought in technically better players in January and we looked a bit better, but basically, still couldn't win games against teams who "looked" inferior to us. They aren't inferior to us..they just don't try to look flash, they just get the job done.

Personally I find Man City boring to watch. They often pass the ball 25-35 times before bothering to get anywhere near the opposition box. We generally aren't capable of managing 5 or 6 passes without it breaking down as the clip you linked to shows. We are not Man City.. we need to realise that quickly or next season will be exactly the same as this season, no matter what players we buy.

We should be signing players capable of passing a football and playing quickly under pressure, my 8 year old son was having lessons on that this week at training, we should also be signing players capable of making decisions on what best course of action to take, your not telling me Monty is fining or going through players for going long if theres no pass on or safety has been preferred

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sadly the anti Monty ones are unwilling to do that as it doesn't suit in with their agenda

This is a belter. :faf:

[Donegal Hibby]

This is a belter. :faf:

We have different opinions on what's a belter mate , I think it's a belter not to knowledge that decisions this season have cost us points and potentially effected the outcome of quite a few of our other games too .

Numerous reasons why we failed to make the top 6 including mistakes by the manager , squad being poor , injuries , players on international duty, etc .

Though if you and the OP along with Crawford Allan think VAR and referees are working well and getting decisions right , fair enough :aok:

[WhileTheChief..]

This is a belter. :faf:

In fairness, it's been a while since the agenda line was trotted out.

Funny that it never gets used against those in favour of keeping LJ or NM.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We have different opinions on what's a belter mate , I think it's a belter not to knowledge that decisions this season have cost us points and potentially effected the outcome of quite a few of our other games too .

Numerous reasons why we failed to make the top 6 including mistakes by the manager , squad being poor , injuries , players on international duty, etc .

Though if you and the OP along with Crawford Allan think VAR and referees are working well and getting decisions right , fair enough :aok:

An anti Monty agenda. That is absolutely, 100% a belter.

If you didn’t know any better you’d read stuff like that and presume we were in a European spot and we’d had numerous highs throughout the season. In reality, folk just want rid of a manager who’s been absolutely garbage. No anti Monty agenda. Just wanting rid of an absolute dud of a manager.

[Donegal Hibby]

An anti Monty agenda. That is absolutely, 100% a belter.

If you didn’t know any better you’d read stuff like that and presume we were in a European spot and we’d had numerous highs throughout the season. In reality, folk just want rid of a manager who’s been absolutely garbage. No anti Monty agenda. Just wanting rid of an absolute dud of a manager.

If he had taken over a team that has been going good , yeah I'd agree with you but he hasn't and while he's made mistakes which I'm saying he has there's other circumstances behind us also having a poor season also that some of you won't acknowledge just because you don't like the manager.

You yourself have been quite vocal on Derek McInnes getting the job yet after scraping promotion he stated that the last thing they wanted was to be in another relegation battle which was exactly what happened right up until their last game of the season.

If Derek McInnes or another manager was in the same position as Monty is now I'd be saying the exact same thing to you in one January window isn't enough and he needs more time especially in our situation that's been created over the last few years

Anyhow this all started because another poster came back at me that decisions that's went against us haven't cost us which I think quite frankly is bull**** and there is an agenda behind it imo when somebody that's so vocal on threads against the manager can't even admit in a post this fact . He has since came and more or less said on another thread Hibs games don't matter now which I also don't agree with .

Each to their own I suppose .

[GreenCastle]

Something else to consider..

Scottish weather..pitches and opposition.

The most frustrating thing about Hearts is they don’t play as nice football as Hibs - been quite common for mnay years but they often get more points / win more derbies.

We seem to be obsessed with the flair / attractive football idea when in reality we need to find a style that wins games but also once games are won we can do all the fancy stuff at the back etc.

There was a time when Hibs didn’t win a header up front - we added Grant Holt - great hold up play - brought others into the game and we become a better team higher up the pitch.

I also don’t want us to hoof it but I firmly believe that the coaching staff are trying to over complicate the Scottish league.

You can have all the talent we can get hold of in our team but if don’t have the players who can graft in cold / wet / windy weather in crap pitches we will never come 3rd or regularly beat the teams with less resources.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If he had taken over a team that has been going good , yeah I'd agree with you but he hasn't and while he's made mistakes which I'm saying he has there's other circumstances behind us also having a poor season also that some of you won't acknowledge just because you don't like the manager.

You yourself have been quite vocal on Derek McInnes getting the job yet after scraping promotion he stated that the last thing they wanted was to be in another relegation battle which was exactly what happened right up until their last game of the season.

If Derek McInnes or another manager was in the same position as Monty is now I'd be saying the exact same thing to you in one January window isn't enough and he needs more time especially in our situation that's been created over the last few years

Anyhow this all started because another poster came back at me that decisions that's went against us haven't cost us which I think quite frankly is bull**** and there is an agenda behind it imo when somebody that's so vocal on threads against the manager can't even admit in a post this fact . He has since came and more or less said on another thread Hibs games don't matter now which I also don't agree with .

Each to their own I suppose .

Where did McInnes ever say that? Because that’s completely at odds with the fact he said his team would be a success story, which they were, if they avoided relegation last season.

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/footballsoccer/2023/05/23/news/kilmarnock_will_be_success_story_again_if_relegati on_is_avoided_derek_mcinnes-3299048/

Or here, where he said the challenge was to stay in the division:

https://www.glasgowworld.com/sport/football/derek-mcinnes-pressure-of-kilmarnock-relegation-scrap-nothing-i-cant-handle-4018514

There is no ‘anti Montgomery’ agenda. He’s been absolutely ***** whether decisions have went against or not (they’ve went against other sides as well but that doesn’t ever get considered funnily enough) and fans want shot of him. It’s as simple as that. And let’s keep in mind, the argument consistently circles back to ‘getting in the top 6’ as if that’s some sort of achievement.

It’s nothing personal and I don’t doubt for a second you know that fine well.

[Donegal Hibby]

Where did McInnes ever say that? Because that’s completely at odds with the fact he said his team would be a success story, which they were, if they avoided relegation last season.

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/footballsoccer/2023/05/23/news/kilmarnock_will_be_success_story_again_if_relegati on_is_avoided_derek_mcinnes-3299048/

Or here, where he said the challenge was to stay in the division:

https://www.glasgowworld.com/sport/football/derek-mcinnes-pressure-of-kilmarnock-relegation-scrap-nothing-i-cant-handle-4018514

There is no ‘anti Montgomery’ agenda. He’s been absolutely ***** whether decisions have went against or not (they’ve went against other sides as well but that doesn’t ever get considered funnily enough) and fans want shot of him. It’s as simple as that. And let’s keep in mind, the argument consistently circles back to ‘getting in the top 6’ as if that’s some sort of achievement.

It’s nothing personal and I don’t doubt for a second you know that fine well.

Here's one when he took over talking when they get promoted challenging for top 6 and fighting for Europe and how Killie are ahead of a lot of other clubs in what they can provide . Didn't work out that way first year back though. Did it?.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/sport/football/derek-mcinnes-lays-out-kilmarnock-25874537

[Paulie Walnuts]

Here's one when he took over talking when they get promoted challenging for top 6 and fighting for Europe and how Killie are ahead of a lot of other clubs in what they can provide . Didn't work out that way first year back though. Did it?.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/sport/football/derek-mcinnes-lays-out-kilmarnock-25874537

Fair enough. He’s also said in numerous other interviews about how staying up would be an achievement, which for a newly promoted club is always the case.

As I said, the idea there is an anti Montgomery agenda is nonsense imo. He’s been a crap manager for Hibs, that’s peoples issue, it really is that simple. It could be argued there was an agenda against Johnson, with accusations of him being a snake etc but there’s been nothing of the sort against Montgomery. People simply want him gone because results and performances have been crap and miles below what’s expected. That’s not an agenda and there’s no ulterior motive for wanting rid of him.

[Jones28]

Something else to consider..

Scottish weather..pitches and opposition.

The most frustrating thing about Hearts is they don’t play as nice football as Hibs - been quite common for mnay years but they often get more points / win more derbies.

We seem to be obsessed with the flair / attractive football idea when in reality we need to find a style that wins games but also once games are won we can do all the fancy stuff at the back etc.

There was a time when Hibs didn’t win a header up front - we added Grant Holt - great hold up play - brought others into the game and we become a better team higher up the pitch.

I also don’t want us to hoof it but I firmly believe that the coaching staff are trying to over complicate the Scottish league.

You can have all the talent we can get hold of in our team but if don’t have the players who can graft in cold / wet / windy weather in crap pitches we will never come 3rd or regularly beat the teams with less resources.

Tbh I think the whole hearts = hammerthrowers line is a bit old hat. Derbies have been hard to split in terms of quality for the last few years.

[Since452]

Fair enough. He’s also said in numerous other interviews about how staying up would be an achievement, which for a newly promoted club is always the case.

As I said, the idea there is an anti Montgomery agenda is nonsense imo. He’s been a crap manager for Hibs, that’s peoples issue, it really is that simple. It could be argued there was an agenda against Johnson, with accusations of him being a snake etc but there’s been nothing of the sort against Montgomery. People simply want him gone because results and performances have been crap and miles below what’s expected. That’s not an agenda.

I admit I didn't want Montgomery from the start and said at the time it was a poor choice when better was out there. Couldn't get my head around it. If he'd changed my mind then great but all he's done is turn me from being very sceptical to wishing we'd just sack him now rather than prolong the shambles in to next season. That's not an agenda, that's just calling out a manager for being crap. and not being good enough for Hibs. The same as many did with Maloney. Johnson I agree you could say there was an agenda. Some of the abuse he got was embarrassing. Snake, slaver etc. A guy that got us into Europe btw.

[Not In The Know]

Ok so this is my issue with modern football. In those clips, that seemingly show us how close we are to being a good team, we lose the ball every time before we get to the opposition box. Every time. The very fact that we play it out from the back pretty much every time, means that we also have the tendancy to lose it around our own box, which has cost us goals all season.

For the sake of argument, I would suggest that if we had two big muckle strikers and a couple of tall tough guys in midfield and we booted it long every time, we would create just as many opportunities, but would NEVER lose the ball around our own box. The Man City/Barcelona play it out from the back every time, style of play only works if you have fantastic technical players in every position, capable of showing for the ball, receiving it in tight spaces and laying it off to a team mate 96 times out of 100. We can't afford to buy or pay, players of that ability, so we will continue to be "close" to being a good team forever, but never get there if we insist on the sloe build as our only tactic.

I don't want us to be a long ball hoof and hope team, but the current dogma of insisting that we pretend we are Man City, while employing players that aren't even good enough for Birmingham City is the definition of madness....doing the same thing, again and again and expecting a different outcome.

Do Hearts try to play like Man City ? NO
Do Kilmarnock try to play like Man City? NO
Do St Mirren try to play liker Man City? NO

What have they got in common? Lots more points than us.

Monty is building a team that plays a way that means we can't succeed (with the standard of players we can afford). We brought in technically better players in January and we looked a bit better, but basically, still couldn't win games against teams who "looked" inferior to us. They aren't inferior to us..they just don't try to look flash, they just get the job done.

Personally I find Man City boring to watch. They often pass the ball 25-35 times before bothering to get anywhere near the opposition box. We generally aren't capable of managing 5 or 6 passes without it breaking down as the clip you linked to shows. We are not Man City.. we need to realise that quickly or next season will be exactly the same as this season, no matter what players we buy.



This is bang on the money. Obvs we dont want to be a total hoofball team but those clips are just nonsense, half the time we look more likely to lose the ball than progress with it. When we do get up the park after 3-4 heart in mouth passes, nearly every time StJ still have 8 men in defence.

It really is pish football for the players we have at this level.

IF it was 100 degrees playing in Spain, OZ etc and opposition teams weren't full of players running theirself into the ground it might work. BUT IT AINT WORKING HERE.

[Hibbyradge]

How do we play with flair and verve when teams put 11 men behind the ball, shut up shop and only hit us on the break?

It makes sense to me that we play possession football, try to drag them out of shape, score and force them to come out. The problem we have is we squander too many good chances and we love to concede.

If we recruit well this summer, the way we play will pay dividends.

[Victor]

How do we play with flair and verve when teams put 11 men behind the ball, shut up shop and only hit us on the break?

It makes sense to me that we play possession football, try to drag them out of shape, score and force them to come out. The problem we have is we squander too many good chances and we love to concede.

If we recruit well this summer, the way we play will pay dividends.

Agree. I think it is sometimes forgotten that the other team want to win also, or, in most cases just avoid defeat.

[JohnM1875]

How do we play with flair and verve when teams put 11 men behind the ball, shut up shop and only hit us on the break?

It makes sense to me that we play possession football, try to drag them out of shape, score and force them to come out. The problem we have is we squander too many good chances and we love to concede.

If we recruit well this summer, the way we play will pay dividends.

Think our biggest issue in the possession football we play is it’s too safe at times. We rarely miss a player out and shift teams across the pitch.

Possession football can still be played at pace and I think when we've been successful at it, it's been when we've moved it quicker.

[bingo70]

How do we play with flair and verve when teams put 11 men behind the ball, shut up shop and only hit us on the break?

It makes sense to me that we play possession football, try to drag them out of shape, score and force them to come out. The problem we have is we squander too many good chances and we love to concede.

If we recruit well this summer, the way we play will pay dividends.

I’m not sure people are expecting flair and verve, just a team that plays on the front foot and attacks a lot.

I’m not totally against the way Monty is trying to get us to play, I think that’s the way football is going and all teams will be trying to play that way before too long but against defensive sides, playing slow football is allowing them to get back into shape. What I would also say though is that playing direct long balls to ‘GET IT FORWARD’ (enough of this tippy happy *****) is also playing into their hands at times. A lot of these crap teams have crap defenders who are happy heading footballs all day long.

I suppose, the keys is trying to get the balance and also have it in your locker to go long and direct when required but not all the time.

[Donegal Hibby]

Fair enough. He’s also said in numerous other interviews about how staying up would be an achievement, which for a newly promoted club is always the case.

As I said, the idea there is an anti Montgomery agenda is nonsense imo. He’s been a crap manager for Hibs, that’s peoples issue, it really is that simple. It could be argued there was an agenda against Johnson, with accusations of him being a snake etc but there’s been nothing of the sort against Montgomery. People simply want him gone because results and performances have been crap and miles below what’s expected. That’s not an agenda and there’s no ulterior motive for wanting rid of him.

Seems Derek McInnes was saying two completely different things at times then .

He also said after winning promotion that they didn't want to find themselves in a position were they were fighting relegation again .( I had put that article up before btw ) .

The other article I just put up as you've probably seen has him saying they should be going for top 6 and fighting for Europe as they have more than other clubs which I think they do .

Though they ended up in a relegation battle and narrowly missed the play offs on the last game .

Does that mean McInnes is a crap manager too because he done so badly that year ? . My opinion is he just needed time .

Results and performances I'd like to remind you have been crap and miles below what was expected long before Monty was appointed .

Though while not as much as I would have liked there has also been some good performances and signs of hope under Monty too imo.

Until we stick with a manager longer than 4 ,9 months or whatever to have a clear out of a ridiculous size squad of players that simply aren't good enough and allow him to rebuild we are going to be continuously going around in circles.

As to the agenda comment I have no doubts in my mind that we have lost points and potentially lost more points due to really bad decisions which have had an effect on our league standing this season .

And when another Poster that I know who doesn't like the manager and wants him out comes back at me that they haven't I don't really know what you expect me to think they have except an agenda tbh :dunno:

Anyhow your on one side of the fence and I'm on the other about Monty though hopefully we are all on the same side in hoping Hibs have another good performance and victory this weekend mate 👍

[blackpoolhibs]

Seems Derek McInnes was saying two completely different things at times then .

He also said after winning promotion that they didn't want to find themselves in a position were they were fighting relegation again .( I had put that article up before btw ) .

The other article I just put up as you've probably seen has him saying they should be going for top 6 and fighting for Europe as they have more than other clubs which I think they do .

Though they ended up in a relegation battle and narrowly missed the play offs on the last game .

Does that mean McInnes is a crap manager too because he done so badly that year ? . My opinion is he just needed time .

Results and performances I'd like to remind you have been crap and miles below what was expected long before Monty was appointed .

Though while not as much as I would have liked there has also been some good performances and signs of hope under Monty too imo.

Until we stick with a manager longer than 4 ,9 months or whatever to have a clear out of a ridiculous size squad of players that simply aren't good enough and allow him to rebuild we are going to be continuously going around in circles.

As to the agenda comment I have no doubts in my mind that we have lost points and potentially lost more points due to really bad decisions which have had an effect on our league standing this season .

And when another Poster that I know who doesn't like the manager and wants him out comes back at me that they haven't I don't really know what you expect me to think they have except an agenda tbh :dunno:

Anyhow your on one side of the fence and I'm on the other about Monty though hopefully we are all on the same side in hoping Hibs have another good performance and victory this weekend mate ��

Derek M'cInness has done more in football management than Montgomery will ever do in my opinion, and like every other manager in the game, they will talk absolute bollox week in week out.

Results are what matter when you get down to the nitty gritty, and he has plenty of the good type.

Montgomery not so much.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Seems Derek McInnes was saying two completely different things at times then .

He also said after winning promotion that they didn't want to find themselves in a position were they were fighting relegation again .( I had put that article up before btw ) .

The other article I just put up as you've probably seen has him saying they should be going for top 6 and fighting for Europe as they have more than other clubs which I think they do .

Though they ended up in a relegation battle and narrowly missed the play offs on the last game .

Does that mean McInnes is a crap manager too because he done so badly that year ? . My opinion is he just needed time .

Results and performances I'd like to remind you have been crap and miles below what was expected long before Monty was appointed .

Though while not as much as I would have liked there has also been some good performances and signs of hope under Monty too imo.

Until we stick with a manager longer than 4 ,9 months or whatever to have a clear out of a ridiculous size squad of players that simply aren't good enough and allow him to rebuild we are going to be continuously going around in circles.

As to the agenda comment I have no doubts in my mind that we have lost points and potentially lost more points due to really bad decisions which have had an effect on our league standing this season .

And when another Poster that I know who doesn't like the manager and wants him out comes back at me that they haven't I don't really know what you expect me to think they have except an agenda tbh :dunno:

Anyhow your on one side of the fence and I'm on the other about Monty though hopefully we are all on the same side in hoping Hibs have another good performance and victory this weekend mate 👍

I’m not sure why you’ve ever brought up Derek McInnes and what it had to do with anti Montgomery agendas etc but we get you don’t like him.

I do find the leeway you give Montgomery bizarre though when in the same breath you manage to downplay absolutely everything McInnes has done as if he is a bit of a failure. Win the league? Didn’t do it quick enough. Keep Neely promoted team in the league by a sizeable amount of points? Not good enough. Nick Montgomery takes Hibs who finished top 6 last year, with a massive budget compared to Kilmarnock into the bottom 6? Every excuse under the sun.

The guy is twice the manager Montgomery will ever be and there’s absolutely no doubt he’d have done a significantly better job than Montgomery has.

[WeeRussell]

I’m not sure why you’ve ever brought up Derek McInnes and what it had to do with anti Montgomery agendas etc but we get you don’t like him.

I do find the leeway you give Montgomery bizarre though when in the same breath you manage to downplay absolutely everything McInnes has done as if he is a bit of a failure. Win the league? Didn’t do it quick enough. Keep Neely promoted team in the league by a sizeable amount of points? Not good enough. Nick Montgomery takes Hibs with a massive budget compared to Kilmarnock into the bottom 6? Every excuse under the sun.

The guy is twice the manager Montgomery will ever be and there’s absolutely no doubt he’d have done a significantly better job than Montgomery has.

FWIW I agree with you in that right now I would probably prefer to have DM as our manager.

However, on a thread entitled ‘Next Manager’ essentially being used to slag our current gaffer, I think DH is within his rights to express his views on someone many would have top of the list to replace him. Even if I don’t necessarily agree with his views on McInness.

[Hibs4185]

I can’t be arsed for the rest of the season.

If NM is in charge over the summer, I’ll likely go to the games but won’t be buzzing like I normally would.

McInnes, Lennon or A N Other with a good summer, would have me buzzing for the new season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

FWIW I agree with you in that right now I would probably prefer to have DM as our manager.

However, on a thread entitled ‘Next Manager’ essentially being used to slag our current gaffer, I think DH is within his rights to express his views on someone many would have top of the list to replace him. Even if I don’t necessarily agree with his views on McInness.

No, that’s probably fair. To be honest I wasn’t considering the thread title and more the content of the post I was originally replying to which was about Montgomery and Montgomery only, as was my response, which is why I wasn’t sure where the McInnes point came from.

As you said though, the thread is a new manager thread :aok:

[Paulie Walnuts]

I can’t be arsed for the rest of the season.

If NM is in charge over the summer, I’ll likely go to the games but won’t be buzzing like I normally would.

McInnes, Lennon or A N Other with a good summer, would have me buzzing for the new season.

I didn’t renew my season ticket in the summer for the first time in years but by the time October/November had rolled around I’d been to near enough every home game and a couple away games. I’ve lost any desire to go back and watch this team since though. They’re just so incredibly boring and on top of that, the results are also crap.

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m not sure why you’ve ever brought up Derek McInnes and what it had to do with anti Montgomery agendas etc but we get you don’t like him.

I do find the leeway you give Montgomery bizarre though when in the same breath you manage to downplay absolutely everything McInnes has done as if he is a bit of a failure. The guy is twice the manager Montgomery will ever be and there’s absolutely no doubt he’d have done a significantly better job than Montgomery has.

I brought up Mcinnes because both him and Monty have been in similar circumstances at their current clubs in the first season in the premier were they have both struggled . Don't dislike McInnes just don't like his football is all .

I think any manager would need abit of leeway in our situation , certainly needs longer than one transfer window imo .

Mcinnes is a good manager though I can't say how good Monty will ever be because he's simply not been given enough time yet to say if he will be good or not for us .

Maybe Mcinnes would have done a better job or maybe he would have started like he did at Killie . Who knows mate though saying one way or the other is really both of us only speculating on it though .

[supermcginn]

I'm nearly 40 and this has been the season I've been to the least amount of games since I was 5 years old, if the manager and the majority of players stay next season it's just so uninspiring and depressing.

[GreenPJ]

In my opinion VAR decisions have not been good this year and have cost Hibs points. To the extent that everyone is blaming this for costing us a top 6 finish.

A top 6 finish is the minimum absolute bare minimum. As a fan with the investment and attacking options we have i was expecting to be challenging for 3rd with 4th being acceptable.

Both Aberdeen and Hearts played 2 games a week whilst in Europe and we still could not take advantage and pull clear them.

I would hope as a club or fan base we cannot use a performance against a woeful st Johnstone whom have won 5 games since the start of December (2 against Hibs) as metric for improvement under Monty

We needed the players that came in in the winter window. Injuries and needing some fresh impetus was definitely needed but by that stage it was difficult to have achieved 3rd place as Hearts went on a consistent run. We have still been inconsistent even after the players came in in January.

We need new signings identified and in early in close season so there is time to gel, get used to the manager tactics and ready to hit the ground running when league cup group stages start.

[ChuckNor]

Derek M'cInness has done more in football management than Mongomery will ever do in my opinion, and like every other manager in the game, they will talk absolute bollox week in week out.

Results are what matter when you get down to the nitty gritty, and he has plenty of the good type.

Montgomery not so much.

“Mongomery”. Not hibs class.

[Brightside]

“Mongomery”. Not hibs class.

I’m hoping it’s a typo.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’m hoping it’s a typo.

To be fair I’ve absolutely no doubt it is a typo.

[blackpoolhibs]

“Mongomery”. Not hibs class.


I’m hoping it’s a typo.
Sorted.

[Basildon Hibs]

I’m not sure why you’ve ever brought up Derek McInnes and what it had to do with anti Montgomery agendas etc but we get you don’t like him.

I do find the leeway you give Montgomery bizarre though when in the same breath you manage to downplay absolutely everything McInnes has done as if he is a bit of a failure. Win the league? Didn’t do it quick enough. Keep Neely promoted team in the league by a sizeable amount of points? Not good enough. Nick Montgomery takes Hibs who finished top 6 last year, with a massive budget compared to Kilmarnock into the bottom 6? Every excuse under the sun.

The guy is twice the manager Montgomery will ever be and there’s absolutely no doubt he’d have done a significantly better job than Montgomery has.

Spot on.

Very strong/strange Bromance Donegal Hibs has for the useless Monty.

[jakeshibs]

I’m not sure why you’ve ever brought up Derek McInnes and what it had to do with anti Montgomery agendas etc but we get you don’t like him.

I do find the leeway you give Montgomery bizarre though when in the same breath you manage to downplay absolutely everything McInnes has done as if he is a bit of a failure. Win the league? Didn’t do it quick enough. Keep Neely promoted team in the league by a sizeable amount of points? Not good enough. Nick Montgomery takes Hibs who finished top 6 last year, with a massive budget compared to Kilmarnock into the bottom 6? Every excuse under the sun.

The guy is twice the manager Montgomery will ever be and there’s absolutely no doubt he’d have done a significantly better job than Montgomery has.

You make massive uneducated comparisons between the two managers when Mcinnes only success is league cup, with Aberdeen, after being sacked at Bristol. To claim that McInnes is twice the manger Montogomery ever will be is complete nonsense and shows your biased agenda. No one knows how Montgomery will develop after this season, as some people learn, look at the job Heckingbootom done with sheffield getting them into a higher standard than us after we said he was not good, look at Maloney with Wigan all doing better.

[Bridge hibs]

Spot on.

Very strong/strange Bromance Donegal Hibs has for the useless Monty.

Bromance ? Im sure he can answer for himself but at least he actually contributes to discussion whether right or wrong, thats what the forum is for, cheap pot shots or your usual wee thumbs up sums you up, how about you actually getting involved in discussion, who knows, you might actually enjoy it

[JimBHibees]

Spot on.

Very strong/strange Bromance Donegal Hibs has for the useless Monty.

Odd comment

[Basildon Hibs]

Bromance ? Im sure he can answer for himself but at least he actually contributes to discussion whether right or wrong, thats what the forum is for, cheap pot shots or your usual wee thumbs up sums you up, how about you actually getting involved in discussion, who knows, you might actually enjoy it

👍

[WhileTheChief..]

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:top marks

Your original post was spot on too.

[eastmainsmsh]

Under no illusion think Monty will be given a chance for next season like Lee Johnson but it will have to improve on this season

[Donegal Hibby]

Spot on.

Very strong/strange Bromance Donegal Hibs has for the useless Monty.

Sort of post I've come to expect from you really in it doesn't contribute in any way and is totally and utterly pointless though you did receive a 10/10 from another poster so you'll be happy enough to have found someone on the same wavelength as yourself I suppose :rolleyes:

Anyhow enjoy the rest of your weekend .

[flash]

:top marks

Your original post was spot on too.

Not sure you liking someone's post is the endorsement you think it is.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Neil Lennon in talks with Rapid Bucharest

[Lago]

Not sure you liking someone's post is the endorsement you think it is.


Neil Lennon in talks with Rapid Bucharest
While the Chiet will be devastated

[bingo70]

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank at the Bournemouth game today.

Can only assume he’s there to meet the Bournemouth owners about taking over at Hibs.

Heard it here first.

(Yes, I know he’s an England coach and probably watching England players, that doesn’t fit the narrative of the rumour I’ve just made up though.)

[A Hi-Bee]

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
:greengrin

[HibeeSince85]

The majority of posts on here want an experienced manager who, crucially, also has experience of Scottish football.

McInnes
Lennon
Mackay
Robinson
GVB
Delia

Could only see Lennon, Mackay and Robinson be interested from the above.

If we remove the Scottish football experience then there are plenty decent coaches available.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik

We desperately need rid of Monty so whilst I want an experienced coach, I'm not hung up on having experience up here.

[SHODAN]

Ask Derek McInnes what it would take for him to come here and give him it no questions asked.

[Trinity Hibee]

Ask Derek McInnes what it would take for him to come here and give him it no questions asked.

He’s not coming here now. Probably just laugh at us

[bingo70]

The majority of posts on here want an experienced manager who, crucially, also has experience of Scottish football.

McInnes
Lennon
Mackay
Robinson
GVB
Delia

Could only see Lennon, Mackay and Robinson be interested from the above.

If we remove the Scottish football experience then there are plenty decent coaches available.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik

We desperately need rid of Monty so whilst I want an experienced coach, I'm not hung up on having experience up here.

Ronny Delia left a Belgian team recently and was at the old firm game recently.

He’s be a great appointment I think.

[Pretty Boy]

It won't be McInnes because he's not mental enough to take this job.

With that in mind it's Alex Neil, Stephen Robinson or Tony Docherty for me. No exotic appointments. A solid and steady appointment to get things back on track.

My gut is the issues lie deeper than the manager though.

[1875M]

If McInnes isn’t available (we should throw everything at him but I don’t think he’d take the job), I think Robinson should be on our radar. What he’s done at St Mirren has went under the radar this season and deserves a chance at a bigger club. Knows the league, can identify good players.

[ChooseLife]

Ask Derek McInnes what it would take for him to come here and give him it no questions asked.

He has bigger and better things going on at Killie, he turned down Rangers whilst at Aberdeen which would have been a significant step up, I doubt he'll take a step down for us.

[Northernhibee]

It won't be McInnes because he's not mental enough to take this job.

With that in mind it's Alex Neil, Stephen Robinson or Tony Docherty for me. No exotic appointments. A solid and steady appointment to get things back on track.

My gut is the issues lie deeper than the manager though.

When Park was being rumoured for the DoF job someone posted an interview on here where he was talking about how good recruitment to him looked like taking a player who had left, and finding a similar replacement for much cheaper.


It’s almost as if we’ve done the opposite - how can we find a really expensive and much worse replacement for Nisbet etc.


This squad doesn’t need investment. It’s had loads of that. It’s just all been spent on utter pish.

[sleeping giant]

If McInnes isn’t available (we should throw everything at him but I don’t think he’d take the job), I think Robinson should be on our radar. What he’s done at St Mirren has went under the radar this season and deserves a chance at a bigger club. Knows the league, can identify good players.

Exactly where I am.

[truehibernian]

I wonder if we are waiting on the outcome of the Raith play off 😉

[Callum_62]

I wonder if we are waiting on the outcome of the Raith play off [emoji6]Hope not.

Appointing Craig Levein wouldn't unite the support

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[truehibernian]

Hope not.

Appointing Craig Levein wouldn't unite the support

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Think about it……..

[Trinity Hibee]

Think about it……..

Levein is a huge Jambo and has openly said on sacked in the morning podcast that he’d only take the Hibs job to relegate us. I don’t see it working out

[truehibernian]

Levein is a huge Jambo and has openly said on sacked in the morning podcast that he’d only take the Hibs job to relegate us. I don’t see it working out

Jeezo, I’m meaning Ian (Murray)

[Trinity Hibee]

Jeezo, I’m meaning Ian (Murray)

Sorry I was also joking 😂

[staunchhibby]

Rumour going round money sacked

[staunchhibby]

Oops monty

[GreenCastle]

Ask Derek McInnes what it would take for him to come here and give him it no questions asked.

Every game we lose / position in the league the price on McInnes goes further up.

He's not coming - that opportunity has gone - a typical Hibs missed opportunity.

Ian Murray isn't the answer either - he's improved but would prefer Lennon.

Someone who will command respect straight away - not perfect but would take no crap.

[Hibees1973]

If the owners want to do it right they need to start at the top and work down. They have done things *rse over t*t since they came in which is why it's a shambles.

If the Gordons really want to continue as our owners they need to take a big step back and leave the running of a football club to other people. I fear this deal with the Black Knight has only created an extra layer of complication and bureaucracy at the club. I never supported this deal, mainly because Ian Gordon and Kensell were behind it.

It's not going to get any better until:

1. We have new owners
2. New owners appoints a COE
3. COE appoints a DOF
4. DOF appoints a new manager
5. New manager empties the current dross and builds a whole new squad.

[Callum_62]

Jeezo, I’m meaning Ian (Murray)Think about it.....

[emoji6][emoji38]

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[Trinity Hibee]

Rumour going round money sacked

Kensell been telling fans in hospitality again?

[Willis1875]

Rumour going round money sacked

Inevitable that that rumour would start pretty quickly after the match

[cabbageandribs1875]

looking forward to any new manager's first statement

"every player starts with a clean slate"



then the new manager after him saying the same

then the next
then the next

rinse & repeat
rinse & repeat
rinse & repeat

[lucky]

Macinnes or Robinson would be best two but failing that someone with experience of managing in Scotland

[GloryGlory]

Kensell been telling fans in hospitality again?

He was supposedly seen waving around a P45 with Monty's name on it! :devil: :devil:

[thebausburst]

Kensell been telling fans in hospitality again?

Due to speak to sportsound any minute so that will put that rumour to bed.

[GloryGlory]

Due to speak to sportsound any minute so that will put that rumour to bed.

For now.

[Largshibby]

Macinnes or Robinson would be best two but failing that someone with experience of managing in Scotland

Kettlewell’s done a decent job at Motherwell. His team are still motivated and got a result in Dingwall that we can only dream about. What’s Steve Clark doing after we get papped out of the Euros?

[bod]

Would take steve Clark after the euros

[bingo70]

Would take steve Clark after the euros

I think you can put him in the same unrealistic category as Klopp and Mourinho.

[Since452]

Wanted Robinson when LJ was punted and only want him more after the season he's had.

[chrisski33]

He was supposedly seen waving around a P45 with Monty's name on it! :devil: :devil:

Maybe it was his!

[number9dream]

Clarke has a nice contract up to 2026 World Cup… Totally unrealistic.
Moyes would only consider Celtic up here.
After three dismal appointments, Gordon jnr & co will probably go for someone closer to home like Robinson or Docherty.
Needs to happen fast though.

[K-Zazu]

Peter Leven?

[Stokesy's on fire]

Mccinnes.

[blackpoolhibs]

We can go on sticking a pin in a map, or go and try your best to get McInnes.

[Paul1642]

I’ve not read all 21 pages so this might have already been suggested.

I’m hoping that the Black Knights have a big influence in the next manger and that they appoint someone would be in consideration for the Bournemouth job if it were available which it wont be this summer,

Manager X who is above what we could normally attract joins us on the promise that if he’s performing well he gets the Bournemouth job next time it comes up.

The obvious downside of this is the premeditated loosing of a good manger should things go well but right now I’d bite your hand to she’s a good manger for a year to two rather than more of the same.

A manager who does well with us would still be away to the championship after a while anyway.

[Hiber-nation]

3 defeats at the Euros and we could maybe get Clarke. Although it wouldn't reflect well on him of course!

[bingo70]

We can go on sticking a pin in a map, or go and try your best to get McInnes.

No chance he would come to us IMO.

[blackpoolhibs]

No chance he would come to us IMO.

I've no idea either way, but at least try. :pray:

[GreenCastle]

3 defeats at the Euros and we could maybe get Clarke. Although it wouldn't reflect well on him of course!

Zero chance.

[Lago]

Mccinnes.
Can't see it, he's a full on manger at Killie looking at Europe next season, coming to Hibs would fitting in to our structure, coach with DoF above him.

[04Sauzee]

Wonder if a vacancy becomes available 👀👀 if they will look at someone who's worked under a multi club structure in the past? Not sure who that could be or if it's even relevant 😅

[Stokesy's on fire]

No chance he would come to us IMO.

Yes he would.

[H18 SFR]

I’d like us to appoint someone who doesn’t speak English as his first language - would be guaranteed an instant upgrade on NM’s media ramblings.

[HibeeSince85]

I've a feeling Mackay will have a role in the next set up, whether it is technical director or manager I've no clue.

If we can't get McInnes, who I suspect we have absolutely no chance of recruiting then Docherty who had worked under him for years and has done well at Dundee is getting to the top of my list, I dunno why but Robinson doesn't appeal to me.

[babahibs]

No chance he would come to us IMO.

Why wouldn't he?
I've seen this posted a few times and don't get it.

[HibeeSince85]

Why wouldn't he?
I've seen this posted a few times and don't get it.

Because he is savvy. He has already knocked back bigger clubs before when they were a basket case and he likes full control of the football department.

Foley should get on the phone and ask him what it would take, offer him it all.

[04Sauzee]

Why wouldn't he?
I've seen this posted a few times and don't get it.

Not sure if he would or wouldn't but I think he has a decent day in recruitment at Killie and I think that's how he likes to operate.

Killie in Europe?

Does he fancy a go at the Scotland job at some time and a disaster at Hibs wouldn't look good.

Also he turned down Rangers when he was with Aberdeen.

[JohnM1875]

Because he is savvy. He has already knocked back bigger clubs before when they were a basket case and he likes full control of the football department.

Foley should get on the phone and ask him what it would take, offer him it all.

If Hibs want McInnes we'll have him.

If he stays he's never going to better what he's achieved at Killie this season.

[babahibs]

Because he is savvy. He has already knocked back bigger clubs before when they were a basket case and he likes full control of the football department.

Foley should get on the phone and ask him what it would take, offer him it all.

We're not a basket case, the Hibs manager job is a massive job, especially with the BK money coming in.

[babahibs]

Not sure if he would or wouldn't but I think he has a decent day in recruitment at Killie and I think that's how he likes to operate.

Killie in Europe?

Does he fancy a go at the Scotland job at some time and a disaster at Hibs wouldn't look good.

Also he turned down Rangers when he was with Aberdeen.

Same as above, the Hibs job's huge atm, big rebuild, huge investment, it's an attractive position for most.

[raeburnhibs]

We're not a basket case, the Hibs manager job is a massive job, especially with the BK money coming in.

Savvy manager looks for room to manoeuvre. Someone else states he won't have a better season again at Killie which is probably true. Hibs on the other hand, he must see that there is an opportunity to improve on the absolute ****storm of this season. Plus, he gets 40% more salary.......

[04Sauzee]

Same as above, the Hibs job's huge atm, big rebuild, huge investment, it's an attractive position for most.

Off course it is but I can also see why he may not want the gig.

[babahibs]

If Hibs want McInnes we'll have him.

If he stays he's never going to better what he's achieved at Killie this season.

This.
If we want him, we can surely negotiate a package for him to accept.

[Colr]

David Moyes?

[babahibs]

Off course it is but I can also see why he may not want the gig.

Yeah, maybe, but if we really want him, I think he'll come. Hibs are way bigger than Killie.

[Crab apple]

McInnes was my choice last time and nothing has changed my mind. I think we are a perfect fit for each other provided he makes the final calls on recruitment. I'd be confident going into next season with him in charge that we'd be challenging for third.

[bingo70]

Why wouldn't he?
I've seen this posted a few times and don't get it.

Because he’s already in a secure job at a team that’s better than us, he is at a club where has a good relationship with the owners.

He will be looking forward to taking Kilmarnock into European football next season and the only thing we can offer him is more money. He’s already proven in the past, that’s not his motivation when he turned down the rangers job.

IMO Our owners will want someone on board with the multi club ownership model, I don’t see someone like McInnes giving up a secure job for a job like ours.

[PineBarrens]

Both Mcinnes & Robinson should have been considered over Monty.

Both had slow/poor starts in their current job, would they survive similar at Hibs?

I am sick of getting beat and watching losers every week, willing to sacrifice good football to see some wins for a season or 2.

[Alex Trager]

He has bigger and better things going on at Killie, he turned down Rangers whilst at Aberdeen which would have been a significant step up, I doubt he'll take a step down for us.

Hibernian Football Club will never be a step down from Kilmarnock.

[bingo70]

Hibernian Football Club will never be a step down from Kilmarnock.

No, but it’s unlikely to be an appealing job for him just now.

[eastmainsmsh]

Ian Murray or Rhys mcabe with a decent Director of Fitba likes of John Collins think Buezelin would be good in a new setup

[Bishop Hibee]

I think the Black Knights will use their influence to put their own man in. I was never keen on McInnes but after the last 3 clowns I’d take him in a heartbeat if he’d come.

[MWHIBBIES]

Ian Murray or Rhys mcabe with a decent Director of Fitba likes of John Collins think Buezelin would be good in a new setup

When has Collins previously done well as director of football?

He was absolutely ****ing rubbish at signing players. Wed be relegated within 2 years.

[Since452]

I think the Black Knights will use their influence to put their own man in. I was never keen on McInnes but after the last 3 clowns I’d take him in a heartbeat if he’d come.

I can see us all in a few weeks saying "who?" again. That's my worry. With the investment, i'd like to see us go for the best managers or best players from other teams in our league. We've gone down the untested in Scottish football route and it hasn't worked. The last time we did we finished 4th and 3rd. Throw the kitchen sink at getting McInnes or Robinson in. Then the notion to give them time might actually carry some weight as they have a proven track record of improving teams in our league. I have a horribile feeling we'll try and be too clever again even with the BK's here.

[04Sauzee]

I can see us all in a few weeks saying "who?" again. That's my worry. With the investment, i'd like to see us go for the best managers or best players from other teams in our league. We've gone down the untested in Scottish football route and it hasn't worked. The last time we did we finished 4th and 3rd. Throw the kitchen sink at getting McInnes or Robinson in. Then the notion to give them time might actually carry some weight as they have a proven track record of improving teams in our league. I have a horribile feeling we'll try and be too clever again even with the BK's here.

Who are the best players at other teams in our league? How many and what fees are we talking about?

It's not the worst strategy, not sure we have the money and we wont do that in 1 window.

[Stuart93]

Who are the best players at other teams in our league? How many and what fees are we talking about?

It's not the worst strategy, not sure we have the money and we wont do that in 1 window.

We can at least make a start on it though

I’d like that a lot more than loan players and L1 signings from down south

[ScottB]

I think for players and coaches, it’ll likely be with the BK group in mind. I don’t see them going for anyone that’s found their ‘ceiling’ at SPL level, because it’s not going to have any upside for the wider group.

I wouldn’t be shocked for us to appoint someone who may already be at Bournemouth, or someone the group have an eye on, whether that’s as a stepping stone to Lorient, Bournemouth or elsewhere, just as they will be doing with players. Someone like, say, McIness who isn’t likely to leave Scottish football again at this stage in his career presumably is less attractive than a coach that may still be on an upward trajectory.

[04Sauzee]

We can at least make a start on it though

I’d like that a lot more than loan players and L1 signings from down south

We could there are a few players I can think off but they aren't going to be cheap. We can't take the beat players of Aberdeen or Hearts that's not going to happen.
So it's Motherwell, St J, Killie , Dundee and the likes. Their best players will be getting looked at by other clubs. Not sure the contract status on some of them so we could be talking huge fees.

[Unseen work]

I don’t know why some are so convinced Mcinnes would come.

He rejected rangers and Sunderland when at Aberdeen because he thought they were a mess

[Onion]

Hibs Board have gone for soft targets, managers who are undemanding and give them little trouble. Is it any wonder there's a lack of drive, grit and leadership on the field ? We can only hope Foley's men have the balls to bring in someone who'll challenge the club, the players, the recruitment, the performances. McInness is the minimum we need.

[truehibernian]

When has Collins previously done well as director of football?

He was absolutely ****ing rubbish at signing players. Wed be relegated within 2 years.

John only signed 9 players in just over a year at Hibs, and whilst winning a major trophy with TM’s players might not impress you, his signings scored and contributed towards wins v Hearts at Tynecastle (Kerr) and Celtic at home (TG), add in a win at Ibrox, and one went on to have a pretty stellar career in England after us (Clayton Donaldson). Throw in MAC who never let us down and contributed towards our play off defeat v Hamilton (on their side).

As for his career, no one comes close to what he’s achieved - Premier League, Ligue 1, World Cup, Old Firm success.

His man management back then wasn’t great, but in a DoF role he’d be an asset.

[CapitalGreen]

John only signed 9 players in just over a year at Hibs, and whilst winning a major trophy with TM’s players might not impress you, his signings scored and contributed towards wins v Hearts at Tynecastle (Kerr) and Celtic at home (TG), add in a win at Ibrox, and one went on to have a pretty stellar career in England after us (Clayton Donaldson). Throw in MAC who never let us down and contributed towards our play off defeat v Hamilton (on their side).

As for his career, no one comes close to what he’s achieved - Premier League, Ligue 1, World Cup, Old Firm success.

His man management back then wasn’t great, but in a DoF role he’d be an asset.

What he achieved as a player is completely irrelevant to his suitability for a DoF role.

Kerr and Gatheussi were awful signings regardless that they scored a goal each.

[MWHIBBIES]

John only signed 9 players in just over a year at Hibs, and whilst winning a major trophy with TM’s players might not impress you, his signings scored and contributed towards wins v Hearts at Tynecastle (Kerr) and Celtic at home (TG), add in a win at Ibrox, and one went on to have a pretty stellar career in England after us (Clayton Donaldson). Throw in MAC who never let us down and contributed towards our play off defeat v Hamilton (on their side).

As for his career, no one comes close to what he’s achieved - Premier League, Ligue 1, World Cup, Old Firm success.

His man management back then wasn’t great, but in a DoF role he’d be an asset.

Yeah. A great career. Better than Moutinho, Sachi, Wenger and Klopp combined. It does not qualify him at all to be our DoF. Brian McDermott is far far more qualified.

[One Day Soon]

McInnes wouldn't touch us right now and he'd be absolutely correct not to unfortunately.

The leadership and management of the club is a complete disaster. Inexperienced and overconfident fools playing at football with a train set someone else bought them. He's not a yes man and he certainly isn't the type to take direction from people who don't know what they're doing.

I don't think we will be capable of attracting a serious, forceful, capable manager unless we very clearly demonstrate that our internal culture is being ripped up so that the clown car 'leadership' antics of recent years are binned. God knows how you signal that in a way that is even remotely believable while the same impostors remain in charge.

[Hibees1973]

Hibs Board have gone for soft targets, managers who are undemanding and give them little trouble. Is it any wonder there's a lack of drive, grit and leadership on the field ? We can only hope Foley's men have the balls to bring in someone who'll challenge the club, the players, the recruitment, the performances. McInness is the minimum we need.

Exactly. I've heard that Kensell and Ian Gordon interfere big time.

Always felt it is a priority for the current board to appoint a manager they can manipulate to some degree. Maloney & Montgomery are both really novice managers. They will have seen the Hibs job as a genuine starting point at a high profile club in their managerial career. Take it easy early doors, don't upset too many people, hopefully progress the club then move on to a higher level. Montgomery came from a backwater looking to get back into UK football.

Johnson probably saw Hibs as an opportunity to turn around a flagging managerial career, so was willing to accept a fair degree of interference. It didn't work out for him at Hibs and he was a disaster at Fleetwood.

This is why I cannot see Ian Gordon and Kensell appointing the likes of McInnes, Robinson or Lennon. They wouldn't touch Hibs under our current regime. Some people can be small minded and say they wouldn't want these three anyway, but all three are more qualified to manage Hibs than the previous three incumbents.

The Black Knights being involved is only going to create more confusion and bureaucracy at the club.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Zero chance of McInnes comming. He's in a very good place right now, doing really well at a club where expectations are modest and he has a great relationship with the owners.

Don't forget he's very loyal and what can't be underestimated is that the Killie job allows him to live in Renfrewshire where he grew up and its only a short commute to work.

I caught an interview he did recently on the PLZ channel where he said not only that his ultimate job would be to manage his country but he dropped a big hint that when Stevie Clark steps down then he would seek the chance to take over. He knows that opportunity will be quite probably be in 2026, at least not before then, so in the meantime he's fully committed and content to continue at Killie.

[GreenCastle]

Zero chance of McInnes comming. He's in a very good place right now, doing really well at a club where expectations are modest and he has a great relationship with the owners.

Don't forget he's very loyal and what can't be underestimated is that the Killie job allows him to live in Renfrewshire where he grew up and its only a short commute to work.

I caught an interview he did recently on the PLZ channel where he said not only that his ultimate job would be to manage his country but he dropped a big hint that when Stevie Clark steps down then he would seek the chance to take over. He knows that opportunity will be quite probably be in 2026, at least not before then, so in the meantime he's fully committed and content to continue at Killie.

Exactly.

He’s following the same path at Clarke and will be the next Scotland manager:

Also agree about the soft touch managers we have appointed- we need character and someone with leadership who will drive this club forward.

[SHODAN]

It'll be another "young, exciting" guy who's only ever managed in England if at all and thinks Scottish football's a piece of piss if you build the team around some journeymen from down south.

[flash]

I think McInnes would almost certainly take the job.

He would see it as the chance to revive a club with massive potential as well as probably doubling his wages.

The problem might very well be, as others have alluded to, that he would want a level of control that would make some people within the club uncomfortable.

[bingo70]

I’m going to assume McInnes isn’t available while I’m compiling my own wee short list of available managers who could be of interest.

Current three in my radar are:-

Scott Parker due to his Bournemouth links. Two very successful jobs done with separate clubs down south

Alex Neil because he’s unemployed and has a good knowledge of Scottish football. Also been pretty successful wherever he’s been I think, possibly with the exception of Stoke? Nobody is successful there though, ***** club imo.

Ronny Delia because he’s had success in Scotland before, seems to do better with smaller clubs than the bigger ones he’s been to. Was in Glasgow at the weekend to watch the Glasgow derby. I can only assume that was a front to meet the Hibs big wigs. Recently left a job in Belgium so is available.

Other notable mentions for names I’ve heard or made up because I’m giving this too much thought:-

Michael O’Neill. Think he’d want the job if we could just pay him the multi million pound wage he’s getting from Norn Ireland.

Frank Lampard- simply can’t ignore the earlier rumour that was doing the rounds. His uncle obviously Harry Redknapp who has strong links
With Bournemouth. Seems inevitable really when you think about it.

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank because he was at the Bournemouth game at the weekend. It’s a rumour I made up on the back of that and I’m running with it.

[Fergos]

McInnes turned down the rangers. Why would he come here when he’s sitting 4th with Killie and heading to Europe?

[GreenCastle]

They were saying on the radio on Saturday that Rhys McCabe hasn’t even got a coaching license so 100% rule him out. Plus he just isn’t ready - only 31 and definitely has potential.

Think you need UEFA A / Pro licence to manage in the top league.

[JohnM1875]

McInnes turned down the rangers. Why would he come here when he’s sitting 4th with Killie and heading to Europe?

Because he’s never going to better that with Killie. He’s basically done all he can there.

Add in the extra couple thousand in wages and a hefty transfer budget.

I think he’d take it if offered.

[bingo70]

Because he’s never going to better that with Killie. He’s basically done all he can there.

Add in the extra couple thousand in wages and transfer budget.

I think he’d take it if offered.

Good cup run and qualify for Europe again next year?

[JohnM1875]

Good cup run and qualify for Europe again next year?

Can’t see them holding on to their better players from this season. Happens to most teams that finish third. Very rare that a team does it two seasons in a row up here.

[Stuart93]

Can’t see them holding on to their better players from this season. Happens to most teams that finish third. Very rare that a team does it two seasons in a row up here.

So basically the same thing that happens to us then?

Best case scenario at hibs, 3rd and a good cup run

[NC1875]

I’m going to assume McInnes isn’t available while I’m compiling my own wee short list of available managers who could be of interest.

Current three in my radar are:-

Scott Parker due to his Bournemouth links. Two very successful jobs done with separate clubs down south

Alex Neil because he’s unemployed and has a good knowledge of Scottish football. Also been pretty successful wherever he’s been I think, possibly with the exception of Stoke? Nobody is successful there though, ***** club imo.

Ronny Delia because he’s had success in Scotland before, seems to do better with smaller clubs than the bigger ones he’s been to. Was in Glasgow at the weekend to watch the Glasgow derby. I can only assume that was a front to meet the Hibs big wigs. Recently left a job in Belgium so is available.

Other notable mentions for names I’ve heard or made up because I’m giving this too much thought:-

Michael O’Neill. Think he’d want the job if we could just pay him the multi million pound wage he’s getting from Norn Ireland.

Frank Lampard- simply can’t ignore the earlier rumour that was doing the rounds. His uncle obviously Harry Redknapp who has strong links
With Bournemouth. Seems inevitable really when you think about it.

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank because he was at the Bournemouth game at the weekend. It’s a rumour I made up on the back of that and I’m running with it.

What was the Lampard rumour ? Never heard anything about that.

[bingo70]

What was the Lampard rumour ? Never heard anything about that.

Sure I read it on here.

Wouldn’t completely rule out me dreaming it.

[JohnM1875]

So basically the same thing that happens to us then?

Best case scenario at hibs, 3rd and a good cup run

Aye true.

But with a bigger salary and hopefully more of a chance of doing it consistently. If you believe the chat from Foley etc.

[Stuart93]

Aye true.

But with a bigger salary and hopefully more of a chance of doing it consistently. If you believe the chat from Foley etc.

That’s also true

[jeffers]

I’m going to assume McInnes isn’t available while I’m compiling my own wee short list of available managers who could be of interest.

Current three in my radar are:-

Scott Parker due to his Bournemouth links. Two very successful jobs done with separate clubs down south

Alex Neil because he’s unemployed and has a good knowledge of Scottish football. Also been pretty successful wherever he’s been I think, possibly with the exception of Stoke? Nobody is successful there though, ***** club imo.

Ronny Delia because he’s had success in Scotland before, seems to do better with smaller clubs than the bigger ones he’s been to. Was in Glasgow at the weekend to watch the Glasgow derby. I can only assume that was a front to meet the Hibs big wigs. Recently left a job in Belgium so is available.

Other notable mentions for names I’ve heard or made up because I’m giving this too much thought:-

Michael O’Neill. Think he’d want the job if we could just pay him the multi million pound wage he’s getting from Norn Ireland.

Frank Lampard- simply can’t ignore the earlier rumour that was doing the rounds. His uncle obviously Harry Redknapp who has strong links
With Bournemouth. Seems inevitable really when you think about it.

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank because he was at the Bournemouth game at the weekend. It’s a rumour I made up on the back of that and I’m running with it.

Can’t really take to Neil for some reason, but he’d a decent manager no doubt. Doesn’t strike me as someone who would hang around for any length of time though. In saying all that he’s probably the one I’d be happiest with of the names you mention.

[bingo70]

Can’t really take to Neil for some reason, but he’d a decent manager no doubt. Doesn’t strike me as someone who would hang around for any length of time though. In saying all that he’s probably the one I’d be happiest with of the names you mention.

I know what you mean, I don’t particularly like Neil either but I get the logic for a safe pair of hands that knows Scottish football. As he’s out of work, he’s probably the best bet I think.

If we go down the route of someone from lower leagues in England again, Michael Duff could be a shout. Did a really good job at two clubs, Cheltenham and Barnsley. Flopped at Swansea though

[WhileTheChief..]

I’m going to assume McInnes isn’t available while I’m compiling my own wee short list of available managers who could be of interest.

Current three in my radar are:-

Scott Parker due to his Bournemouth links. Two very successful jobs done with separate clubs down south

Alex Neil because he’s unemployed and has a good knowledge of Scottish football. Also been pretty successful wherever he’s been I think, possibly with the exception of Stoke? Nobody is successful there though, ***** club imo.

Ronny Delia because he’s had success in Scotland before, seems to do better with smaller clubs than the bigger ones he’s been to. Was in Glasgow at the weekend to watch the Glasgow derby. I can only assume that was a front to meet the Hibs big wigs. Recently left a job in Belgium so is available.

Other notable mentions for names I’ve heard or made up because I’m giving this too much thought:-

Michael O’Neill. Think he’d want the job if we could just pay him the multi million pound wage he’s getting from Norn Ireland.

Frank Lampard- simply can’t ignore the earlier rumour that was doing the rounds. His uncle obviously Harry Redknapp who has strong links
With Bournemouth. Seems inevitable really when you think about it.

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank because he was at the Bournemouth game at the weekend. It’s a rumour I made up on the back of that and I’m running with it.

Every one of these is more logical than NMs appointment at the time.

I'd happily take any of them. Or Lennon.

[jeffers]

I know what you mean, I don’t particularly like Neil either but I get the logic for a safe pair of hands that knows Scottish football. As he’s out of work, he’s probably the best bet I think.

If we go down the route of someone from lower leagues in England again, Michael Duff could be a shout. Did a really good job at two clubs, Cheltenham and Barnsley. Flopped at Swansea though

My opinion of him did soften a bit after the final STID series. I think he’d be less of a gamble than some of the other names and as you say he does know Scottish football. It’s not a prerequisite but it wouldn’t be a bad thing. I’d still prefer McInnes, but we didn’t want him before, so even if he was interested it would take a u-turn on our behalf to approach him. Then take into consideration the cost of compensation + paying off Monty.

[Bridge hibs]

I don’t know why some are so convinced Mcinnes would come.

He rejected rangers and Sunderland when at Aberdeen because he thought they were a mess

From the daily rag, the last paragraph is probably a reason why he wont be joining hibs, ring any bells ?

Now we can reveal the key factors behind the decision. Although hugely attracted to the notion of becoming only the 17th man to manage Rangers - which would have allowed him to return to the family home in Renfrewshire - Mcinnes was at no point convinced he had the complete faith of an indecisive Ibrox board

[Callum_62]

I’m going to assume McInnes isn’t available while I’m compiling my own wee short list of available managers who could be of interest.

Current three in my radar are:-

Scott Parker due to his Bournemouth links. Two very successful jobs done with separate clubs down south

Alex Neil because he’s unemployed and has a good knowledge of Scottish football. Also been pretty successful wherever he’s been I think, possibly with the exception of Stoke? Nobody is successful there though, ***** club imo.

Ronny Delia because he’s had success in Scotland before, seems to do better with smaller clubs than the bigger ones he’s been to. Was in Glasgow at the weekend to watch the Glasgow derby. I can only assume that was a front to meet the Hibs big wigs. Recently left a job in Belgium so is available.

Other notable mentions for names I’ve heard or made up because I’m giving this too much thought:-

Michael O’Neill. Think he’d want the job if we could just pay him the multi million pound wage he’s getting from Norn Ireland.

Frank Lampard- simply can’t ignore the earlier rumour that was doing the rounds. His uncle obviously Harry Redknapp who has strong links
With Bournemouth. Seems inevitable really when you think about it.

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank because he was at the Bournemouth game at the weekend. It’s a rumour I made up on the back of that and I’m running with it.I'm pretty sure Scott Parker left Bournemouth in a big huff/ fallout

Unlikely he in would be on BKs Christmas card list [emoji38]



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[bingo70]

I'm pretty sure Scott Parker left Bournemouth in a big huff/ fallout

Unlikely he in would be on BKs Christmas card list [emoji38]



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That was before the black knights involvement though won’t it have been?

I think there’ll still be people at Bournemouth who think highly of him as a manager and I think we will lean on them for help finding our next manager because the people at Hibs are clearly ***** at it.

[Callum_62]

That was before the black knights involvement though won’t it have been?

I think there’ll still be people at Bournemouth who think highly of him as a manager and I think we will lean on them for help finding our next manager because the people at Hibs are clearly ***** at it.You are right - it was in the months preceding the purchase that happened

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[Paulie Walnuts]

That was before the black knights involvement though won’t it have been?

I think there’ll still be people at Bournemouth who think highly of him as a manager and I think we will lean on them for help finding our next manager because the people at Hibs are clearly ***** at it.

Scott Parker seems the best shout I’ve heard so far. :agree:

[Lago]

My opinion of him did soften a bit after the final STID series. I think he’d be less of a gamble than some of the other names and as you say he does know Scottish football. It’s not a prerequisite but it wouldn’t be a bad thing. I’d still prefer McInnes, but we didn’t want him before, so even if he was interested it would take a u-turn on our behalf to approach him. Then take into consideration the cost of compensation + paying off Monty.
Maybe wrong but I'm sure I read that he wasn't interested in returning to Scotland to manage again.
Scott Parker would be a catch if only for his match day snappy dressing.

[Phil MaGlass]

F,n hell Hibs have we no sacked him yet, just wtaf?

[Highwayman]

Coming back from that debacle yesterday I was listening to the post match punditry on the radio.
Yogi Hughes sounded like he was putting himself forward as a candidate to replace Monty.
Don’t laugh,this may be the standard of candidate who would be willing to take over the “poisoned chalice”of Hibs manager.

[WestCoastHibby]

Scott Parker seems the best shout I’ve heard so far. :agree:


He’s done absolutely nothing in management except get sacked

[Lago]

Darren Jackson suggesting NM needs another transfer window and Hibs can't just keep sacking managers, BBC Sport Web site.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He’s done absolutely nothing in management except get sacked

He got Fulham and Bournemouth promoted from the Championship to the Premiership.

[raeburnhibs]

Coming back from that debacle yesterday I was listening to the post match punditry on the radio.
Yogi Hughes sounded like he was putting himself forward as a candidate to replace Monty.
Don’t laugh,this may be the standard of candidate who would be willing to take over the “poisoned chalice”of Hibs manager.

He definitely wasn't in my opinion

[we are hibs]

What happened to the Polish guy who's name was mentioned before Montgomery got it?

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[raeburnhibs]

Darren Jackson suggesting NM needs another transfer window and Hibs can't just keep sacking managers, BBC Sport Web site.

wittering *****, we can and should if we continue to make the wrong appointments and the said appointment can't get a tune out of anyone over the course of basically a full season. Goin Backwards.

[Joe6-2]

Darren Jackson suggesting NM needs another transfer window and Hibs can't just keep sacking managers, BBC Sport Web site.

Oh we definitely can if they don’t do their job properly

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I’m going to assume McInnes isn’t available while I’m compiling my own wee short list of available managers who could be of interest.

Current three in my radar are:-

Scott Parker due to his Bournemouth links. Two very successful jobs done with separate clubs down south

Alex Neil because he’s unemployed and has a good knowledge of Scottish football. Also been pretty successful wherever he’s been I think, possibly with the exception of Stoke? Nobody is successful there though, ***** club imo.

Ronny Delia because he’s had success in Scotland before, seems to do better with smaller clubs than the bigger ones he’s been to. Was in Glasgow at the weekend to watch the Glasgow derby. I can only assume that was a front to meet the Hibs big wigs. Recently left a job in Belgium so is available.

Other notable mentions for names I’ve heard or made up because I’m giving this too much thought:-

Michael O’Neill. Think he’d want the job if we could just pay him the multi million pound wage he’s getting from Norn Ireland.

Frank Lampard- simply can’t ignore the earlier rumour that was doing the rounds. His uncle obviously Harry Redknapp who has strong links
With Bournemouth. Seems inevitable really when you think about it.

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank because he was at the Bournemouth game at the weekend. It’s a rumour I made up on the back of that and I’m running with it.

Was in Glasgow at the weekend to watch the Glasgow derby. I can only assume that was a front to meet the Hibs big wigs.


I like your style dude :)

[The Tubs]

Darren Jackson suggesting NM needs another transfer window and Hibs can't just keep sacking managers, BBC Sport Web site.

An ex-Jambo mascot was the most credible face they could find to defend him.

[JimBHibees]

An ex-Jambo mascot was the most credible face they could find to defend him.

Or an ex Hibs player who served the club incredibly well

[The Tubs]

Or an ex Hibs player who served the club incredibly well

Jackson was an incredible player for us and I'm delighted we got the best of his career. However, without knowing him personally, he doesn't appear to be a hardcore Hibee.

[heretoday]

Frank Lampard! We couldn't afford him, even despite his lack of success as a coach.
Besides, it wouldn't be fair on Christine.

[IvanSproule]

Because he would 4x his salary is the main reason.
Also gets a huge budget and moves closer to rangers/scotland job if he does well.

For what it's worth I reckon it might be Jason Tindall.
Groom him to take the Bournemouth job again if he's successful.


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[bingo70]

Frank Lampard! We couldn't afford him, even despite his lack of success as a coach.
Besides, it wouldn't be fair on Christine.

I don’t think his salary will be his main concern for his next job.

His current salary is £0 and he’s not going to be in a position to attract the big bucks. He’s said he wants his next job to be in the UK which would rule out middle the Middle East clubs. His next job will probably be upper league 1 or championship level. Unless it’s one of the big boys he’ll need to look for the right opportunity with his next job:

That being Hibs is a bit of a leap, I don’t think it’s impossible though.

[cubehindthegoal]

I’m going to assume McInnes isn’t available while I’m compiling my own wee short list of available managers who could be of interest.

Current three in my radar are:-

Scott Parker due to his Bournemouth links. Two very successful jobs done with separate clubs down south

Alex Neil because he’s unemployed and has a good knowledge of Scottish football. Also been pretty successful wherever he’s been I think, possibly with the exception of Stoke? Nobody is successful there though, ***** club imo.

Ronny Delia because he’s had success in Scotland before, seems to do better with smaller clubs than the bigger ones he’s been to. Was in Glasgow at the weekend to watch the Glasgow derby. I can only assume that was a front to meet the Hibs big wigs. Recently left a job in Belgium so is available.

Other notable mentions for names I’ve heard or made up because I’m giving this too much thought:-

Michael O’Neill. Think he’d want the job if we could just pay him the multi million pound wage he’s getting from Norn Ireland.

Frank Lampard- simply can’t ignore the earlier rumour that was doing the rounds. His uncle obviously Harry Redknapp who has strong links
With Bournemouth. Seems inevitable really when you think about it.

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank because he was at the Bournemouth game at the weekend. It’s a rumour I made up on the back of that and I’m running with it.

I enjoyed reading your post 😁👍 Much more interesting than some others I’ve read here recently … or written myself tbf 😆

Neil is a difficult one, never quite got my head around if he is a good manager or not tbh. Would say though, don’t think being unemployed should be a plus reason for him 😉

Delia. i don’t know if it’d be another rollercoaster, but definitely interesting. Is it really a possibility ??

O’Neill … I honestly think he would get our current squad of players performing better … it’d be worth the millions, longer term. Too radical a thought perhaps, invest the money in a manager rather than players as a priority.

[HibeeSince85]

I don’t think his salary will be his main concern for his next job.

His current salary is £0 and he’s not going to be in a position to attract the big bucks. He’s said he wants his next job to be in the UK which would rule out middle the Middle East clubs. His next job will probably be upper league 1 or championship level. Unless it’s one of the big boys he’ll need to look for the right opportunity with his next job:

That being Hibs is a bit of a leap, I don’t think it’s impossible though.

Does well at Hibs, goes to Bournemouth.

A big name for sure but other than Derby where he could loan the likes of Mount from his pals at Chelsea he hasn't really done that well.

Scott Parker might be a shout though.

[bingo70]

Does well at Hibs, goes to Bournemouth.

A big name for sure but other than Derby where he could loan the likes of Mount from his pals at Chelsea he hasn't really done that well.

Scott Parker might be a shout though.

He qualified for the champions league with Chelsea while in a transfer ban as well which wasn’t easy.

[LustForLeith]

Tommy Elphick

Said it before. I’ll say it again

[HibeeSince85]

He qualified for the champions league with Chelsea while in a transfer ban as well which wasn’t easy.

He did, I forgot about that. Helped the likes of Abraham and Hudson-Odoi. Would you take him?

[04Sauzee]

Tommy Elphick

Said it before. I’ll say it again

Isn't he the assistant at Bournemouth.

[Alfred E Newman]

Coming back from that debacle yesterday I was listening to the post match punditry on the radio.
Yogi Hughes sounded like he was putting himself forward as a candidate to replace Monty.
Don’t laugh,this may be the standard of candidate who would be willing to take over the “poisoned chalice”of Hibs manager.

Time to get the boiler suit on.

[04Sauzee]

Coming back from that debacle yesterday I was listening to the post match punditry on the radio.
Yogi Hughes sounded like he was putting himself forward as a candidate to replace Monty.
Don’t laugh,this may be the standard of candidate who would be willing to take over the “poisoned chalice”of Hibs manager.
Not what I was hearing at all, he was more in the camp of getting behind Monty and giving him more time.

[bingo70]

He did, I forgot about that. Helped the likes of Abraham and Hudson-Odoi. Would you take him?

Yeah, I’d be delighted with him.

[hibeerealist]

Tommy Elphick

Said it before. I’ll say it again


Could be interesting.

[Badge]

Tommy Elphick

Said it before. I’ll say it again

👍👍

[GreenCastle]

Tommy Elphick

Said it before. I’ll say it again

Assistant at an EPL club.

Doubt he would be coming to Hibs plus I doubt he has a clue about Hibs.

Would be a risk.

[NC1875]

Tommy Elphick

Said it before. I’ll say it again

Something you’ve heard or putting 2 and 2 together with the Bournemouth connection ?

[Contador]

Assistant at an EPL club.

Doubt he would be coming to Hibs plus I doubt he has a clue about Hibs.

Would be a risk.

If hes clever enough he’ll take one look at us for his first managerial job and avoid. I am sure something like 60% of managers who fail in their first job dont go on to have a managerial career.

The hibs job is a very hard job at the moment with a desperate need to hit the ground running, an hours worth of due diligence online and phone calls and he’d soon see it for the poisoned chalice it is for a rookie.

[Stevie Reid]

Can’t really take to Neil for some reason, but he’d a decent manager no doubt. Doesn’t strike me as someone who would hang around for any length of time though. In saying all that he’s probably the one I’d be happiest with of the names you mention.

I think you’re right man, his bizarre exit from Sunderland showed that. But even if he only gave us a good season or two before leaving under a cloud, I’d take that.

Worked miracles at Hamilton, though going back a few years now. Decent track record in the Championship and respectable performance in his one season in the EPL.

If we’re going for someone UK based, with knowledge of Scottish football - and McInnes won’t come (I’m also of a mind that he’d not be interested) - Neil is probably as strong a CV as we’re going to get.

[Lago]

Does well at Hibs, goes to Bournemouth.

A big name for sure but other than Derby where he could loan the likes of Mount from his pals at Chelsea he hasn't really done that well.

Scott Parker might be a shout though.
Bournemouth manager just signed contract extension

[jeffers]

I think you’re right man, his bizarre exit from Sunderland showed that. But even if he only gave us a good season or two before leaving under a cloud, I’d take that.

Worked miracles at Hamilton, though going back a few years now. Decent track record in the Championship and respectable performance in his one season in the EPL.

If we’re going for someone UK based, with knowledge of Scottish football - and McInnes won’t come (I’m also of a mind that he’d not be interested) - Neil is probably as strong a CV as we’re going to get.

We were definitely interested in him previously, may have been post Ross, but he preferred to stay down south.

[Stevie Reid]

We were definitely interested in him previously, may have been post Ross, but he preferred to stay down south.

Aye I remember him ruling himself out at the time.

[LancsHibs]

Ole Gunnar Solskjær

[Callum_62]

For what it's worth I reckon it might be Jason Tindall.
Groom him to take the Bournemouth job again if he's successful.


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No chance.

Far too good a tan for Bens liking

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[JimBHibees]

We were definitely interested in him previously, may have been post Ross, but he preferred to stay down south.

Think he was oddly on bbc sportsound covering the game at Livi hence the speculation about him at the time when Ross sacked.

[Hamish]

Scott Brown and Steven Whittaker.

Don't think Ian Murray would leave Raith at the moment, even for Hibs, think it's a long term project there.

[B.H.F.C]

Appointment of the new manager isn’t the most immediate priority for me. We need to have everything else right above that or it’ll just be someone else coming in to fail. Hopefully things move with those appointments/removals quickly.

[MelbourneHibees]

Mcinnes or Alex Neil.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Someone who has managed in Scotland please,no more experiments.
It won't be McInnes, that ship has sailed.

[BoltonHibee]

So you've heard that our DOF, Head Coach and Chief Executive are all on a shoogly peg? You either have contacts at an extremely high level, above CEO level considering you've heard that's one role under threat, or you're just making it up.

No, not making it up


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[Spike Mandela]

I think Foley and the Black Knights will bring a different element to this recruitment process. Pretty sure they will have a list of coaches they would like to try out from within their sporting group.

Don’t think we will see any of the more obvious names in contention such as McInnes.

The summer of change at ER will certainly be exciting. Whether it will be successful or not is another matter.

[B.H.F.C]

I think Foley and the Black Knights will bring a different element to this recruitment process. Pretty sure they will have a list of coaches they would like to try out from within their sporting group.

Don’t think we will see any of the more obvious names in contention such as McInnes.

The summer of change at ER will certainly be exciting. Whether it will be successful or not is another matter.

I agree. Said ages ago I thought we’d bring in a Technical Director that is essentially their man, and likely someone we’ve never heard of. And I think a manager will follow from there. It won’t be one of the obvious ones IMO.

[GreenPJ]

Steve Kean?

[bingo70]

Steve Kean?

The brains behind the B team?

Absolutely not for me.

[Since452]

McInnes or Robinson. Would be delighted with either.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I agree. Said ages ago I thought we’d bring in a Technical Director that is essentially their man, and likely someone we’ve never heard of. And I think a manager will follow from there. It won’t be one of the obvious ones IMO.

This is what I’d expect.

Obviously as fans we have a very limited knowledge with regards to managers available around the world, so from my knowledge I’d want McInnes. I fully expect BKFC to take control of the recruitment this time though and I’d expect they’ll find someone they think can be even better that we’ve never heard of. The proof will obviously be in the pudding on that front though.

[Donegal Hibby]

Ronnie Delia ( if possible)
SDG.
Chris Hogg .

[A Hi-Bee]

McInnes or Robinson. Would be delighted with either.

Roy Kean, knock this club into shape.

[The Tubs]

Roy Kean, knock this club into shape.

I'll go one better: Deeks and Big Gaz.

[badabing67]

McInnes or Robinson. Would be delighted with either.

Not really sure what is happening at Birmingham City, or how Tony Mowbray's health is right now, but if he is planning to return to work. Then

Ex-Birmingham City Manager Eyes Shock Return - The Real EFL (https://therealefl.co.uk/2024/05/13/ex-birmingham-city-manager-eyes-up-shock-return/)

[Billy McKirdy]

I think we should go for a young, ambitious, up and coming manager with new ideas, can’t go any worse than the last three.

[Bertie Wooster]

I appreciate that there will be comments about lack of funds to pay for the manager, but with the possibility of a significant reduction in season ticket sales and increasing fan apathy , I think there could be an appointment which will be a statement of intent.
Similar to appointing Lennon whilst in the Championship, I think the potential of a clear out of players over the next couple of seasons, Black Knight support and the potential of a big Scottish club makes this a more attractive prospect than some would give.
Not talking about Klopp BTW, but pushing the boat out for a decent name should theoretically see a jump in season ticket sales and attract better quality players for next season.
Guys like Lampard or Parker will see this as a two year gig maximum, McInnes or Neil might be more inclined to see it as a 4-5 year position if they fancy it.

[AugustaHibs]

I think we should go for a young, ambitious, up and coming manager with new ideas, can’t go any worse than the last three.

Maybe I’m having a whoosh moment but is that not exactly what the last 3 all apparently were?

[Unseen work]

McInnes or Robinson. Would be delighted with either.


Yep, for me any of

Mcinnes
Robinson
Alex Neil
Ronny Deila

[Brizo]

First and foremost I want a pragmatic manager who sets out his tactics based on the player's strengths and abilities, not on some football philosophy or idealogy that our players are either uncomfortable with or not talented enough to implement.

Secondly, I want a manager who is willing to look at the Scottish market to a far greater degree than the last three incumbents have.

I'd take any of McIness , Robinson or Docherty. While there would be objections to all three by sections of the support, the first two have a track record of building relative success at two clubs each , while Docherty has rebuilt a Dundee team from scratch and achieved top six in one season.

At least with them, there is a body of evidence that they can achieve relative success in our league, and while I'm sure there'd be people calling for their heads after a couple of poor results, I'd like to hope the sensible sections of our support might give them more time to build a team based on their track record.

Whether any of them would want to come and whether our owners are prepared to give a manager the autonomy to sign who they want, time will tell.

[Springbank]

Yep, for me any of

Mcinnes
Robinson
Alex Neil
Ronny Deila

Preference out of those would be McInnes then Deila (like his NYC and Club Brugge experiences since leaving the SPL, in terms of seemingly repeated successes with clubs with fanbases smaller than the Old Firm)

As for Robinson, the thing that has impressed me, when his team has been to ER, is he is constantly coaching from the touchline, constantly relating to his players

When they won 0-3 in January, before kick off we looked at the team sheet and said (due to injuries & suspensions) it was the weakest St Mirren starting XI we had seen for a good number of years (they even had debutant James Scott up top) plus no Tanser and Strain (their key players) if memory serves.

You got no whining, just plenty vocal encouragement to his team, from Robinson.

And it was out of sight by half time.

So, he has a lot of positives on recent evidence.

Alex Neil seems solid, and my approach to interviewing him, if I was on Hibs board, would be all about testing his desire and motivation (which Robinson clearly has in spades)

[Unseen work]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nick-montgomery-warned-hibs-mess-32805560

A quite incredible article.

Loads of accusations, no proof and just quite bitter.

Imagine the championship player was Cudjoe.

Funny how he gives Montgomery the credit for Marcondes signing, I’m sure it had nothing to do with the Bournemouth connection…

[Unseen work]

Preference out of those would be McInnes then Deila (like his NYC and Club Brugge experiences since leaving the SPL, in terms of seemingly repeated successes with clubs with fanbases smaller than the Old Firm)

As for Robinson, the thing that has impressed me, when his team has been to ER, is he is constantly coaching from the touchline, constantly relating to his players

When they won 0-3 in January, before kick off we looked at the team sheet and said (due to injuries & suspensions) it was the weakest St Mirren starting XI we had seen for a good number of years (they even had debutant James Scott up top) plus no Tanser and Strain (their key players) if memory serves.

You got no whining, just plenty vocal encouragement to his team, from Robinson.

And it was out of sight by half time.

So, he has a lot of positives on recent evidence.

Alex Neil seems solid, and my approach to interviewing him, if I was on Hibs board, would be all about testing his desire and motivation (which Robinson clearly has in spades)

100% agree with your comments about Robinson.

Full of passion, coaching and getting the players up for it - very similar to mccinnes is that respect.

Hes also recruited some very good players for St Mirren and seems to stretch his budget whilst unearthing some gems.

[I'm Spartacus]

Let's stop these 4 year punts in the dark.

Derek McInnes.

If he cannot get our club moving then the game is a bogey.

IMO Steven Robinson is a coach, as mentioned above, he's out there coaching his players every move, like having a second captain on the pitch. I would not be against this appointment either.

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nick-montgomery-warned-hibs-mess-32805560

A quite incredible article.

Loads of accusations, no proof and just quite bitter.

Imagine the championship player was Cudjoe.

Funny how he gives Montgomery the credit for Marcondes signing, I’m sure it had nothing to do with the Bournemouth connection…

:agree:

An abomination of an article.

[Haymaker]

Sir David in as Manager, bring in Deeks and Leigh Griffiths as assistants. We'd be flying! :hyper

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[WhileTheChief..]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nick-montgomery-warned-hibs-mess-32805560

A quite incredible article.

Loads of accusations, no proof and just quite bitter.

Imagine the championship player was Cudjoe.

Funny how he gives Montgomery the credit for Marcondes signing, I’m sure it had nothing to do with the Bournemouth connection…

Decent article that highlights the problems we have.

We need to stop being so precious about what others are saying. We’re in a mess and that story highlights why.

[GreenCastle]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nick-montgomery-warned-hibs-mess-32805560

A quite incredible article.

Loads of accusations, no proof and just quite bitter.

Imagine the championship player was Cudjoe.

Funny how he gives Montgomery the credit for Marcondes signing, I’m sure it had nothing to do with the Bournemouth connection…

Hanlon as captain probably going above manager - not the first time ? Maybe a reason Hanlon and Stevenson moving on?

Would love to have known the players Monty had lined up - guess we will never know.

[Since452]

People forget how inexperienced a manager Montgomery was when he joined. Same as Maloney. It was a recipe for disaster with our inexperienced owners, and it's no surprise LJ did much better than both of them despite not being great himself. That's why a McInnes or a Robinson, two managers with good track records in our league would be a good appointment in my opinion. They'd give this rudderless ship bit of direction. Something to build on.

[Callum_62]

Hanlon as captain probably going above manager - not the first time ? Maybe a reason Hanlon and Stevenson moving on?

Would love to have known the players Monty had lined up - guess we will never know.I read somewhere that 2 has signed (spl players)

Wonder if that's still the case or now up in the air

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[Ardenttwo]

Sir David in as Manager, bring in Deeks and Leigh Griffiths as assistants. We'd be flying! :hyper

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Why not make Hanson and Stevenson manager and assistant for last two game. Cannot do any worse. Nice send off for two legends

[hibeerealist]

People forget how inexperienced a manager Montgomery was when he joined. Same as Maloney. It was a recipe for disaster with our inexperienced owners, and it's no surprise LJ did much better than both of them despite not being great himself. That's why a McInnes or a Robinson, two managers with good track records in our league would be a good appointment in my opinion. They'd give this rudderless ship bit of direction. Something to build on.

I agree with all of that and your thoughts on Robinson and McInnes however I think we will appoint a Bill Foley choice whom a lot of us may not have heard of who will show the previous managers how its done!

[MWHIBBIES]

Scott Brown and Steven Whittaker.

Don't think Ian Murray would leave Raith at the moment, even for Hibs, think it's a long term project there.

Guys who got binned by Fleetwood town? Seriously?

[Donegal Hibby]

People forget how inexperienced a manager Montgomery was when he joined. Same as Maloney. It was a recipe for disaster with our inexperienced owners, and it's no surprise LJ did much better than both of them despite not being great himself. That's why a McInnes or a Robinson, two managers with good track records in our league would be a good appointment in my opinion. They'd give this rudderless ship bit of direction. Something to build on.

Mowbray , Stubbs? , Naismith at hertz , Docherty Dundee ?. We've had experienced managers before that's failed too like Duffy and so on.

Personally hope we are pushing for a good foreign manager like Ronnie Delia , Graham Arnold or along them lines .

McInnes style of football is s*** to watch , Robinson hasn't much more of a win rate than our previous manager's and imo a totally unlikeable character.

[Lago]

Guys who got binned by Fleetwood town? Seriously?
Hardly flourishing at Ayr

[jeffers]

Hanlon as captain probably going above manager - not the first time ? Maybe a reason Hanlon and Stevenson moving on?

Would love to have known the players Monty had lined up - guess we will never know.

When has Paul Hanlon gone above the manager before ??

[brydekirk]

David Moyes?

That would be great

[Moulin Yarns]

Stuart kettlewell is missing from all the lists of potential managers???

[MWHIBBIES]

Stuart kettlewell is missing from all the lists of potential managers???

Aye, for good reason. Not very good.

[AlbertK86]

Jackson was an incredible player for us and I'm delighted we got the best of his career. However, without knowing him personally, he doesn't appear to be a hardcore Hibee.

He most certainly wasn’t a hibby in his younger days


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[andrew70]

Decent article that highlights the problems we have.

We need to stop being so precious about what others are saying. We’re in a mess and that story highlights why.

It’s a great article and Scott Burns is spot on here for a change.

[Hibees1973]

Could take over a month for Hibs to appoint a new manager, which some on here may not be pleased with.

There is going to be a fair amount of fall-out with the sacking of Montgomery and Kensell apparently leaving as well. McDermott and other board members apparently on a shoogly peg as well.

The Gordons and the Black Knights partnership going to be tested to the full with agreement to be sought in appointing key people at the club.

[degenerated]

It’s a great article and Scott Burns is spot on here for a change.It's utter garbage that isn't even factually correct. We didn't win the first 2 games after the split and maolida and marcondes were not.montgomery signings.