Next Manager?

[GloryGlory]

Anyone like me wondering why, if as some think Gray has got the job, that there's been no comment from the usual suspects in the MSM and Twitterdom?

[Donegal Hibby]

Anytime he’s stepped in he’s done well ? What about the worst Livi team in god knows how many years ? Apart from that game. And the others he lost ?

Shouting about a 41% win rate when he’s manages about 10 games is a joke.

I admire your optimism but deep down you, I and everyone else know that SDG shouldn’t be anywhere near the Hibs managers job at this moment in time.

It’s laughable. The people running our club are a joke

Yeah I think he has . Especially the last couple of times when he's taken over a team thats generally been leaking goals .

When he took over from LJ we lost 8 in 3 games two of which were at home . We won 2-0 at pittodrie .

We lost 6 in 2 games when he took over from Monty , 4 of them to Aberdeen at home . We kept a clean sheet winning 3-0 and a 1-1 draw away from home .

Nobodys shouting about anything , the 41% win rate was a comparison made to the new Watford manager who has had roughly a similar amount of games as Gray and has only a win rate of 22% . The point was we could appoint somebody that hasn't done as well stepping in as a caretaker manager on occasions.

He's managed 12 I think by the way and lost four , two of which was Celtic in the cup final and Aston villa away.

Deep down I don't know how Gray will do which is why I'm not going to write him off or any other manager before
they've had a chance.

Also the people running our club have made mistakes though I think our new appointment in MM is leading the hunt for our new manager and if he thinks Gray should get it then I'm ok with it .

[NC1875]

The game was a complete dead rubber on a pitch that's worse that Porty Pits.

Surely you have to factor in the state of the team and general squad morale for the games he's taken charge of nah? Get you might not want him to get the job, but it's unfair to say he hasn't done good job given the circumstances when called upon.

You can’t call that a dead rubber and then give him praise for beating Motherwell in another “dead rubber”.

You talk about the squad morale of the games he’s taken charge. I’d say most teams probably give that little bit extra in the game after a manager being sacked. So if anything, Grays benefited from that.

He’s simply not managed enough games to say whether he’s done well or not.

Everyone has to start somewhere but I’m afraid David Grays first gig shouldn’t be be here, especially with the state we’re in just now.

It has disaster written all over it.

[CapitalGreen]

Anyone like me wondering why, if as some think Gray has got the job, that there's been no comment from the usual suspects in the MSM and Twitterdom?

Who are the usual suspects?

[ekhibee]

The license thing is all a bit of bureaucratic nonsense though. Why should you need a license to manage a football team? It’s not like you are operating heavy machinery or making a mistake could cost lives. Just another way for the UEFA hierarchy to line their pockets.

That's rubbish. Why didn't you apply then? The licencing system has been around for decades, just cos you want Gray as manager doesn't change that.

[GloryGlory]

Who are the usual suspects?

Brian McLaughlin, Scott Burns and hacks of that ilk who like to pretend they have the inside scoop on all things Hibs.

Oh and the likes of Hibs News on Twitter ( or X) who again like to pretend they are ITK.

[Victor]

That's rubbish. Why didn't you apply then? The licencing system has been around for decades, just cos you want Gray as manager doesn't change that.

WTF? [emoji1782]


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[J-C]

Anytime he’s stepped in he’s done well ? What about the worst Livi team in god knows how many years ? Apart from that game. And the others he lost ?

Shouting about a 41% win rate when he’s manages about 10 games is a joke.

I admire your optimism but deep down you, I and everyone else know that SDG shouldn’t be anywhere near the Hibs managers job at this moment in time.

It’s laughable. The people running our club are a joke

Mowbray 4 years as a coach with a couple of caretaker games.
John Collins had zero coaching experience
Stubbs never managed higher than U21 level at Everton.

All 3 coaches who we all revere because of what they did when manager of the club, who's to say Gray won't be just as much of a success.

We tried experienced with Ross and Johnson and both got emptied, Maloney was a decent coach but the wrong time and Monty never lived up to the hype even though his success was in a Mickey Mouse league.

[04Sauzee]

Seen this on twitter. Ian Murray seems favourites .

https://i.ibb.co/hCHr0x8/Screenshot-20240602-201707.png (https://ibb.co/HXYRZLg)

[Hiber-nation]

Seen this on twitter. Ian Murray seems favourites .

https://i.ibb.co/hCHr0x8/Screenshot-20240602-201707.png (https://ibb.co/HXYRZLg)

They know nothing but they leave nothing to chance. Ex-Hibs captain who has had a good season. Pretty obvious bookies favourite.

[Tambo]

I can see why people would be calling for a more experienced manager and have fear for another disaster appointment after recent years.

As a few have said, I'm surprised at the little amount of rumours but that could be due to us not paying compensation for someone.

If it is SDG we will all back him and will be interesting to see what the future holds with him at the helm.

Maybe it will be SDG with MM handing down notes :stirrer:

[LewysGot2]

If it is SDG we'll be waiting till he comes back from Florida - my mate bumped into the SDG family a couple of days ago on his holidays

[JimBHibees]

He was offered the Ayr job. But I'm guessing you mean SPFL Premiership?

Was he offered Ayr job didn’t realise that

[PatHead]

Yeah I think he has . Especially the last couple of times when he's taken over a team thats generally been leaking goals .

When he took over from LJ we lost 8 in 3 games two of which were at home . We won 2-0 at pittodrie .

We lost 6 in 2 games when he took over from Monty , 4 of them to Aberdeen at home . We kept a clean sheet winning 3-0 and a 1-1 draw away from home .

Nobodys shouting about anything , the 41% win rate was a comparison made to the new Watford manager who has had roughly a similar amount of games as Gray and has only a win rate of 22% . The point was we could appoint somebody that hasn't done as well stepping in as a caretaker manager on occasions.

He's managed 12 I think by the way and lost four , two of which was Celtic in the cup final and Aston villa away.

Deep down I don't know how Gray will do which is why I'm not going to write him off or any other manager before
they've had a chance.

Also the people running our club have made mistakes though I think our new appointment in MM is leading the hunt for our new manager and if he thinks Gray should get it then I'm ok with it .

Was Montgomery not the manager against Aberdeen?

[Unseen work]

Was Montgomery not the manager against Aberdeen?

Nah SDG.

Think Monty’s first game was a 2-2 draw to Killie at Rugby Park

[Donegal Hibby]

Was Montgomery not the manager against Aberdeen?

Fourth game of the season Gray was in charge , Monty took over the following game against Killie 2-2 at least that's what I thought .

[Hiber-nation]

Was Montgomery not the manager against Aberdeen?

He certainly was. Donegal's stats are a bit out.

Assuming this is the 0-4 home defeat, that's how I read it anyway.

[andrew70]

He certainly was. Donegal's stats are a bit out.

No he’s spot on. DG was caretaker up in Aberdeen in September.

[Hiber-nation]

No he’s spot on. DG was caretaker up in Aberdeen in September.

Yeah I know, I've edited my post.

[andrew70]

Yeah I know, I've edited my post.

👍🏻

[PatHead]

Nah SDG.

Think Monty’s first game was a 2-2 draw to Killie at Rugby Park

Ah, gotcha

[Unseen work]

On the subject of Coaches to Manager…

Remember Duncan Ferguson was highly rated at Everton as a coach and done well as interim manager with a lot of people thinking he’d be in with a shot of the permanent job.

Been a complete disaster as manager

[04Sauzee]

On the subject of Coaches to Manager…

Remember Duncan Ferguson was highly rated at Everton as a coach and done well as interim manager with a lot of people thinking he’d be in with a shot of the permanent job.

Been a complete disaster as manager

On the flip side some ex players in Scotland have gone in and done a fairly decent job, not that I'm touting them for the Hibs gig btw

Imrie at Morton
Brown at Ayr Utd
McCabe at Airdrie

[CockneyRebel]

I can see why people would be calling for a more experienced manager and have fear for another disaster appointment after recent years.

As a few have said, I'm surprised at the little amount of rumours but that could be due to us not paying compensation for someone.

If it is SDG we will all back him and will be interesting to see what the future holds with him at the helm.

Maybe it will be SDG with MM handing down notes :stirrer:


Does ANYONE seriously believe ANY club would issue a statement like that?

[Gatecrasher]

So are we hoping for an announcement this week then? Hopefully the new kit is unveiled as well. Could be a fun week.

[bingo70]

So are we hoping for an announcement this week then? Hopefully the new kit is unveiled as well. Could be a fun week.

If Gray has already got the job like a few posters are certain about, i don’t see why it wouldn’t be announced early this week. If we get to Wednesday/Thursday and he’s not been announced then I don’t think it’ll be him.

[Trinity Hibee]

If Gray has already got the job like a few posters are certain about, i don’t see why it wouldn’t be announced early this week. If we get to Wednesday/Thursday and he’s not been announced then I don’t think it’ll be him.

If he’s in Florida that might delay the announcement? They might want to announce and have an interview with him to go with it

[Callum_62]

If he’s in Florida that might delay the announcement? They might want to announce and have an interview with him to go with itIf he's getting the top job then he can get his ass back from Florida and get on with the work required

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[Unseen work]

Is Gray actually away on holiday?

If he is he must have just left?

Photographed late last week as part of the UEFA Pro Licence course and apparently had his interview with us late last week.

[Hibernian Verse]

If he's getting the top job then he can get his ass back from Florida and get on with the work required

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How dare he take a summer holiday...?

[bingo70]

If he’s in Florida that might delay the announcement? They might want to announce and have an interview with him to go with it

They could have done that before he left if he’s had the job as long as posters on here are saying he’s had it.

They could also release a pre-written statement that’s done by the PR/media team anyway.

I’d suggest for his first manager job it would probably be one of those unfortunate situations for him and his family where the holiday may need to be sacrificed.

[timewilltell]

Please, please, NOT Gray!! :confused:

[Lago]

Beginning to dread the announcement, it's got disaster written all over it.

[Allant1981]

Is Gray actually away on holiday?

If he is he must have just left?

Photographed late last week as part of the UEFA Pro Licence course and apparently had his interview with us late last week.

Yip they are away on holiday

[MWHIBBIES]

If he's getting the top job then he can get his ass back from Florida and get on with the work required

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:faf: behave

[bingo70]

Beginning to dread the announcement, it's got disaster written all over it.

Bit much is it not?

Gray wouldn’t have been my first pick but picking managers isn’t an exact science. There are positive reasons to give him the job, if he does get it I will just focus on them and hope for the best.

[Brightside]

If he is on holiday then he has either been told he has got it, so go take a break before you start, or he already knows he's not got it and he's away spending his pay off. So that clears it all up.

[04Sauzee]

Beginning to dread the announcement, it's got disaster written all over it.

Christ this is only Monday 😂

[jeffers]

If he is on holiday then he has either been told he has got it, so go take a break before you start, or he already knows he's not got it and he's away spending his pay off. So that clears it all up.

Or he was told he’d get a call while on holiday advising him of their decision.

[The Spaceman]

Quite scared if it’s David Gray. He’s an all-time club legend and if this doesn’t go anything other than very, very well, it’ll really sour the relationship between the club and its fans to toxic levels we’ve not seen since Butcher.

[Waxy]

Jeez people here wanting someone out the job before he’s got it.
What has happened to the world.

[Mcbizz1998]

Excited if it is SDG. Much rather get behind him and build for the new season than some random joker from the English 3rd Division. He is as much of a risk as anyone else (outwith possibly McInnes, who we aren't getting) and has the positive trait of being someone we all like and respect as a Hibs legend. Get the signings right and I think this can work.

:flag:

[MelbourneHibees]

Giving the job to SDG is a decent indicator that BKG aren't going to just throw money at the club when the cards are down. Unless of course you consider them "throwing money" at NM and the backroom staff to pay them off as doing just that.

[Eyrie]

Gray's entitled to have a summer break with his family.

If he is the new appointment, then it makes sense to wait until he's back to announce it as he has to be there.

[MWHIBBIES]

Quite scared if it’s David Gray. He’s an all-time club legend and if this doesn’t go anything other than very, very well, it’ll really sour the relationship between the club and its fans to toxic levels we’ve not seen since Butcher.

Rubbish. If he finished say, 6th and had a decent cup run, then improved again the following season, most would be quite content.

Even if he loses 20 games in a row it won't even reach Hecky levels of toxic.

[MelbourneHibees]

Rubbish. If he finished say, 6th and had a decent cup run, then improved again the following season, most would be quite content.

Even if he loses 20 games in a row it won't even reach Hecky levels of toxic.
You forgotten the brief time Sauzee was manager?

[MWHIBBIES]

You forgotten the brief time Sauzee was manager?

I was 5 years old, so yes.

[The Tubs]

You forgotten the brief time Sauzee was manager?

What pissed off folk I knew was that getting the job finished Sauzee's playing career.

[JimBHibees]

I was 5 years old, so yes.

:greengrin

[GreenGray]

Quite scared if it’s David Gray. He’s an all-time club legend and if this doesn’t go anything other than very, very well, it’ll really sour the relationship between the club and its fans to toxic levels we’ve not seen since Butcher.

Disagree. If anything the fans will give him more time.

Also, what constitutes "very, very well" and what manager that we could realistically appoint would guarantee that?

[Since452]

Sunderland in for Robinson. Missed the boat there.

[JohnM1875]

Sunderland in for Robinson. Missed the boat there.

Not going down well with their fans online…

[Donegal Hibby]

Sunderland in for Robinson. Missed the boat there.

:titanic:

[Hibernian Verse]

Sunderland in for Robinson. Missed the boat there.

That'll be why he got ruled out for us early on then

[bod]

If he is on holiday then he has either been told he has got it, so go take a break before you start, or he already knows he's not got it and he's away spending his pay off. So that clears it all up.

Or his holidays been booked way before the previous manager was sacked.

[J-C]

You forgotten the brief time Sauzee was manager?

Sauzee didn't want it, he took over due to loyalty, funnily enough he's never coached since as he has no interest in doing so.

[J-C]

Or his holidays been booked way before the previous manager was sacked.

Exactly, probably booked ages ago to coinside with the seasons end, didn't think another manager would be gone so quickly.

[Donegal Hibby]

Not going down well with their fans online…

Not going down well on their forum as well ..

Never thought he was anything great tbh .

[MelbourneHibees]

I was 5 years old, so yes.

🤣

Well he wasn't exactly flavour of the month at the time.

[bingo70]

Or his holidays been booked way before the previous manager was sacked.

To be honest, whoever gets the job needs to be starting work right away. The way of the world now means he can easily work remotely from Florida by making the necessary phone calls/emails etc but they definitely need to be starting working now. As he wasn’t (permanent) manager at the end of the season last season, he has lost a big chunk of time other managers have had in terms of preparation for next season.

I know that he has a family holiday but the nature of the beast with the industry he has chosen means things like this can happen to holiday. If for example Simon Murray gets called up to replace Dykes for Scotland, he’d cancel his holidays in a second because from a career perspective, it is just a case of needs must and too good an opportunity not to take. Similar principles would apply with Gray and this job, although Gray would still be able to work remotely.

[Lago]

Bit much is it not?

Gray wouldn’t have been my first pick but picking managers isn’t an exact science. There are positive reasons to give him the job, if he does get it I will just focus on them and hope for the best.
If it's Gray it's another rookie appointment, Maloney the last one, experience in putting the cones out, Gray I'm told was responsible for coaching throw ins and corner kicks, hopefully that's incorrect but I worry when he has to match up against Rodgers, Clement and McInnes all very experienced managers.

[Onion]

Excited if it is SDG. Much rather get behind him and build for the new season than some random joker from the English 3rd Division. He is as much of a risk as anyone else (outwith possibly McInnes, who we aren't getting) and has the positive trait of being someone we all like and respect as a Hibs legend. Get the signings right and I think this can work.

:flag:

Fact that folk think this is the choice says everything about our faith in Hibs ability to spot and attract a decent manager. How have we got to this ? IMO SDG is the laziest choice for this Board / owner and it's reasonable for fans to be sceptical. Look where blind faith has got us ?

Would like to hear about the process, efforts and decisions the Board took to come to that decision. I'd like to hear them say that they think SDG is a rising star in management who will go on to much bigger things and why Hibs are lucky to have him. Short of that, it feels like another stab in the dark by a failing owner.

[bingo70]

If it's Gray it's another rookie appointment, Maloney the last one, experience in putting the cones out, Gray I'm told was responsible for coaching throw ins and corner kicks, hopefully that's incorrect but I worry when he has to match up against Rodgers, Clement and McInnes all very experienced managers.

Ipswich seemed to go through a list of experienced managers who failed before finding success with an untested and inexperienced coach.

If you’re right and the only coaching Gray has done is throw ins and corner kicks, he won’t get the job, I suspect he’s done more than that though.

[Unseen work]

Exactly, probably booked ages ago to coinside with the seasons end, didn't think another manager would be gone so quickly.

He never thought another manager would be sacked so quickly? Well that was silly of him 🤣

[worcesterhibby]

If it's Gray it's another rookie appointment, Maloney the last one, experience in putting the cones out, Gray I'm told was responsible for coaching throw ins and corner kicks, hopefully that's incorrect but I worry when he has to match up against Rodgers, Clement and McInnes all very experienced managers.

How many goals have we scored from dead ball situations..how many have we conceded ? I don't know the answer but it could tell us something about SDG's effectiveness as a coach.

[Gordy M]

Fact that folk think this is the choice says everything about our faith in Hibs ability to spot and attract a decent manager. How have we got to this ? IMO SDG is the laziest choice for this Board / owner and it's reasonable for fans to be sceptical. Look where blind faith has got us ?

Would like to hear about the process, efforts and decisions the Board took to come to that decision. I'd like to hear them say that they think SDG is a rising star in management who will go on to much bigger things and why Hibs are lucky to have him. Short of that, it feels like another stab in the dark by a failing owner.

If you owned the club, when appointing a new manager, would you just say ah sod it, he is here anyway, lets go for him? Doesnt make any sense at all. A successful team benefits everyone, so why would they decide to cut corners on prob the most important job at the club? They have already gone out and got MM to try and make the football department run smoothly so why would they then want to appoint a "cheap not fit for purpose manager"......as i said it makes no sense.

In the past, they havent got it right, but i can understand their thought process for Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery.

[Northernhibee]

If it’s Gray then I’m glad we’re not trying to be the smartest person in the room again. We need someone who knows the team so they know who is good enough and who isn’t straight away, they need to know that delusions of exciting, attacking football rarely works in this league, and they need to understand what a team like us needs to do to win games.


Deila’s time at Celtic was underwhelming and doesn’t mean he understands what it’s like for a team that is historically mid table in this league. McInnes and Robinson appear to be out of the running.


He’s the clear best option out of who is left IMO. Doesn’t mean he’s guaranteed to be a success but nobody is. He was here when Stubbs built a cup winning team, when we played big games in a sold out ER under Lennon, and has also seen how successful managers with a particular style of play like Heckingbottom or Monty don’t necessarily translate to this league. He’s experienced the pragmatism of Ross and the naivety of Maloney and how not to manage people under LJ.

He’s also managed us against bottom six teams and also against Celtic in a cup final. He’s not had many games as a manager but he’s had variety. I’d be excited if it was him.

[Lago]

Ipswich seemed to go through a list of experienced managers who failed before finding success with an untested and inexperienced coach.

If you’re right and the only coaching Gray has done is throw ins and corner kicks, he won’t get the job, I suspect he’s done more than that though.
I asked the question many pages back re his coaching experience, that was the information given to me by an individual on here, like you I hope it's wrong if not we're in trouble.

[JimBHibees]

Ipswich seemed to go through a list of experienced managers who failed before finding success with an untested and inexperienced coach.

If you’re right and the only coaching Gray has done is throw ins and corner kicks, he won’t get the job, I suspect he’s done more than that though.

McKenna had significant experience prior to Ipswich.

[Heisenberg]

The backing McGeady gave Gray after LJ was sacked was quite interesting. Certainly seems like he’ll have standards and want them met if he’s the main man in charge.

[jeffers]

Fact that folk think this is the choice says everything about our faith in Hibs ability to spot and attract a decent manager. How have we got to this ? IMO SDG is the laziest choice for this Board / owner and it's reasonable for fans to be sceptical. Look where blind faith has got us ?

Would like to hear about the process, efforts and decisions the Board took to come to that decision. I'd like to hear them say that they think SDG is a rising star in management who will go on to much bigger things and why Hibs are lucky to have him. Short of that, it feels like another stab in the dark by a failing owner.

Regarding your second paragraph if they did come out and say that would it really convince you ? If SDG is appointed it will be because they believe he is the right man for the job. He’s gone through an interview with a 5 man panel and will have needed to convince them. I’ll say it again, whoever we appoint is a gamble.

[easty]

Ipswich seemed to go through a list of experienced managers who failed before finding success with an untested and inexperienced coach.

If you’re right and the only coaching Gray has done is throw ins and corner kicks, he won’t get the job, I suspect he’s done more than that though.

McKenna did a sports science degree, then coached youth teams at Spurs, Leicester, Forest, and in Canada.

Then got the Spurs head of youth academy job, then u18s team manager job.

Then moved to Man Utd and got the same job there, then became a first team coach for Man Utd, then got promoted to to Mourinho’s assistant manager. Then OGS’s assistant, then Ragnick’s assistant.

David Gray retired a few years ago and has coached here since, and as yet hasn’t completed his coaching badges.

It’s not really a comparable situation at all.

I’m not mad against Gray getting the job, and he’ll get my 100% support, but at the same time I’m not convinced it’s the right decision.

[Donegal Hibby]

If it's Gray it's another rookie appointment, Maloney the last one, experience in putting the cones out, Gray I'm told was responsible for coaching throw ins and corner kicks, hopefully that's incorrect but I worry when he has to match up against Rodgers, Clement and McInnes all very experienced managers.

Most teams in our league when matching up against Rodgers or Clement will lose no matter how experienced their manager is .

As for Mcinnes , quite a few folk have said that Monty was inexperienced having only managed for about 60 games and had no prior knowledge of the Scottish game yet he got a win at ER and two draws at rugby park .

I have a feeling we will be more organised and harder to beat if Gray was manager .

If Gray gets it that won't be my main worry , how our recruitment will go in the summer will be . If we recruit well there will be every chance he'll succeed , goes the other way ? .... Well we've been down that road already unfortunately.

[SickBoy32]

Regarding your second paragraph if they did come out and say that would it really convince you ? If SDG is appointed it will be because they believe he is the right man for the job. He’s gone through an interview with a 5 man panel and will have needed to convince them. I’ll say it again, whoever we appoint is a gamble.

The issue for many is this ‘panel’ (similar to our ‘transfer committee’) have repeatedly proven themselves to be incompetent.

Maybe they could phone Dempster and ask who she’d pick? She knew how to spot a decent manager more often than not 👍

[bingo70]

McKenna did a sports science degree, then coached youth teams at Spurs, Leicester, Forest, and in Canada.

Then got the Spurs head of youth academy job, then u18s team manager job.

Then moved to Man Utd and got the same job there, then became a first team coach for Man Utd, then got promoted to to Mourinho’s assistant manager. Then OGS’s assistant, then Ragnick’s assistant.

David Gray retired a few years ago and has coached here since, and as yet hasn’t completed his coaching badges.

It’s not really a comparable situation at all.

I’m not mad against Gray getting the job, and he’ll get my 100% support, but at the same time I’m not convinced it’s the right decision.

I get that, I’ve previously argued the case that John Kennedy was far more qualified than Gray, despite neither having first team management experience though.

My point was that he still isn’t an experienced manager and Ipswich were going through experienced managers, probably similar to we were looking for the person to get them back going in the right direction again, they found that person by going for someone who had never managed before but might just be brilliant rather than a tried and tested average that will no doubt have been sacked elsewhere at points.

David Gray might just be the next big thing as a manager, he could be absolutely brilliant for all we know.

There’s no exact science if we appoint a manager and there’s no such thing as a sure bet. If we appoint Gray, I like to think we will be doing it for the right reasons though.

[B.H.F.C]

The backing McGeady gave Gray after LJ was sacked was quite interesting. Certainly seems like he’ll have standards and want them met if he’s the main man in charge.

I’d forgot about that, but here’s what he said at the time.

"It could be David Gray and I like David. I think David's got standards. He's seen a lot of things that I was seeing as well and was agreeing with. Not going behind the manager's back or anything. But things in training that would just be brushed under the carpet. A little bit of David would be seeing them and he'd be on the same page as me”

I know there is a lot made of Gray being part of however many staffs, but he’s possibly just never been in the position to influence things as he needs/wants to.

[JimBHibees]

I’d forgot about that, but here’s what he said at the time.

"It could be David Gray and I like David. I think David's got standards. He's seen a lot of things that I was seeing as well and was agreeing with. Not going behind the manager's back or anything. But things in training that would just be brushed under the carpet. A little bit of David would be seeing them and he'd be on the same page as me”

I know there is a lot made of Gray being part of however many staffs, but he’s possibly just never been in the position to influence things as he needs/wants to.

Agree there is no way a 3rd in line in effect has significant influence imo

[TrinityHFC]

I’d forgot about that, but here’s what he said at the time.

"It could be David Gray and I like David. I think David's got standards. He's seen a lot of things that I was seeing as well and was agreeing with. Not going behind the manager's back or anything. But things in training that would just be brushed under the carpet. A little bit of David would be seeing them and he'd be on the same page as me”

I know there is a lot made of Gray being part of however many staffs, but he’s possibly just never been in the position to influence things as he needs/wants to.

I’d head from a friend of David Gray’s Dad that after the St Johnstone fall out there had been another one - can’t recall now what game it was. Didn’t want to post at the time as nothing worse usually with all the behind the scenes chat when we are not winning.

Anyway, Gray was very unhappy with what NM was doing and felt like there was no passion from him or most of the players. If NM was still here Gray would have been looking to get away.

As a coach he has to go out and implement what the manager wants done. In the caretaker games he’s had we don’t really know how he would manage and set up the team really. At that point the players have been brought in and coached in a certain way. One thing I think we have seen though is that he understands that in Scottish football you have to try and compete. Think it was Lewis Stevenson recently that said something along the lines of Hibs maybe trying to be too clever with players and managers recently when it really doesn’t work here.

[bingo70]

I’d forgot about that, but here’s what he said at the time.

"It could be David Gray and I like David. I think David's got standards. He's seen a lot of things that I was seeing as well and was agreeing with. Not going behind the manager's back or anything. But things in training that would just be brushed under the carpet. A little bit of David would be seeing them and he'd be on the same page as me”

I know there is a lot made of Gray being part of however many staffs, but he’s possibly just never been in the position to influence things as he needs/wants to.

Playing devils advocate, is that maybe not a great advert for Gray?

He wants the managers job and he’s been a consistent in various managers failing. If he’s not 100% got the managers back, is that not undermining him and essentially making the managers job even harder?! (There’s a word to describe that behaviour if it was a random Joe bloggs, I wouldn’t use it to describe SDG though). If he disagreed with the manager, he should be publicly backing him in front of the players but challenging the manager in private.

[500miles]

Playing devils advocate, is that maybe not a great advert for Gray?

He wants the managers job and he’s been a consistent in various managers failing. If he’s not 100% got the managers back, is that not undermining him and essentially making the managers job even harder?! (There’s a word to describe that behaviour if it was a random Joe bloggs, I wouldn’t use it to describe SDG though). If he disagreed with the manager, he should be publicly backing him in front of the players but challenging the manager in private.

Reads more like SDG being unhappy with players rather than management.

Unless that's about the rumours with LJ turning up to training after a night on the lash. I'm no sure if expect my staff to make excuses for me either.

[jeffers]

The issue for many is this ‘panel’ (similar to our ‘transfer committee’) have repeatedly proven themselves to be incompetent.

Maybe they could phone Dempster and ask who she’d pick? She knew how to spot a decent manager more often than not 👍

3 of the 5 on the panel have never been involved in appointing a Hibs manager before though.

[Ozyhibby]

Rubbish. If he finished say, 6th and had a decent cup run, then improved again the following season, most would be quite content.

Even if he loses 20 games in a row it won't even reach Hecky levels of toxic.

He finishes 6th he’ll be out a job,


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[Mcbizz1998]

He finishes 6th he’ll be out a job,


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I think that very much depends on other factors tbh.

Finish 6th in the league, beat Hearts 4 times & win the Cup - he's getting a statue, not sacked.

[ian cruise]

He finishes 6th he’ll be out a job,


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If he finishes 6th, but it's one of those seasons where there's minimal points between 3rd and 6th and it's been the post split games that have made the difference there's a good chance he'd be given leeway. A lot would depend on performances, cup results and derby results.

[bingo70]

I think that very much depends on other factors tbh.

Finish 6th in the league, beat Hearts 4 times & win the Cup - he's getting a statue, not sacked.

It doesn’t, he won’t get sacked for finishing 6th and it’s as black and white as that.

LJ finished 6th and never got sacked, it was how we started the following season that did it for him.

[jeffers]

It doesn’t, he won’t get sacked for finishing 6th and it’s as black and white as that.

LJ finished 6th and never got sacked, it was how we started the following season that did it for him.

We weren’t going to sack Monty for finishing 7th, so the idea that we’d sack someone for finishing 6th is a bit off imo.

[bingo70]

We weren’t going to sack Monty for finishing 7th, so the idea that we’d sack someone for finishing 6th is a bit off imo.

It’s just nonsense but it fits the narrative that these sackings have happened because we don’t give people a chance which is nonsense.

If we appoint Gray, we will expect to see short term progress. If he can’t provide that, his job will be in jeopardy, we’re so ***** just now, improving us from the current level should be easy, if he can’t do that then I make no apologies for wanting him, or whoever it is this time next season. That’s just the job they’re in.

If you want to be a manager now, you can forget 5 year plans or shining that nonsense, rightly or wrongly it’s all got to be about winning the next game. Eddie Howe speaks about that on the overlap podcast.

[oneone73]

It doesn’t, he won’t get sacked for finishing 6th and it’s as black and white as that.

LJ finished 6th and never got sacked, it was how we started the following season that did it for him.

He finished 5th and got Europe, didn't he?

[Gatecrasher]

Sunderland in for Robinson. Missed the boat there.

Given their record with managers is about as bad as ours, maybe not. :greengrin

[jeffers]

It’s just nonsense but it fits the narrative that these sackings have happened because we don’t give people a chance which is nonsense.

If we appoint Gray, we will expect to see short term progress. If he can’t provide that, his job will be in jeopardy, we’re so ***** just now, improving us from the current level should be easy, if he can’t do that then I make no apologies for wanting him, or whoever it is this time next season. That’s just the job they’re in.

If you want to be a manager now, you can forget 5 year plans or shining that nonsense, rightly or wrongly it’s all got to be about winning the next game. Eddie Howe speaks about that on the overlap podcast.

Agreed.

I’ve made no secret of the fact I’d be happy with him being appointed but I expect to see him improve on what we saw under Monty. Same applies whoever gets the job, show signs of progress and they will get time. The previous three didn’t and were rightly dismissed.

[bingo70]

He finished 5th and got Europe, didn't he?

So he did, he wasn’t sacked then though, it was the following season when I think it was clear to everyone, it wasn’t working with him and the players at the club. He was sacked when we were 11th or 12th, not when he was 5th or 6th.

[Mcbizz1998]

It doesn’t, he won’t get sacked for finishing 6th and it’s as black and white as that.

LJ finished 6th and never got sacked, it was how we started the following season that did it for him.


I never said he would get sacked for finishing 6th.

And LJ finished 5th, not 6th.

[J-C]

How many goals have we scored from dead ball situations..how many have we conceded ? I don't know the answer but it could tell us something about SDG's effectiveness as a coach.

I think last year our attacking set pieces was about 3rd best in the league, as for defensive set pieces, it was not his remit, that was Sergio.

[Donegal Hibby]

MM has some job on his hands with leading the search for a manager and sorting out the other stuff .
Sooner we get a manager in now be it Gray or someone else the better .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/malkys-manic-monday-hibs-chief-dives-in-at-deep-end-4650985

[LaMotta]

Playing devils advocate, is that maybe not a great advert for Gray?

He wants the managers job and he’s been a consistent in various managers failing. If he’s not 100% got the managers back, is that not undermining him and essentially making the managers job even harder?! (There’s a word to describe that behaviour if it was a random Joe bloggs, I wouldn’t use it to describe SDG though). If he disagreed with the manager, he should be publicly backing him in front of the players but challenging the manager in private.

Yeah but maybe Gray did voice his opinion to the manager and was ignored? Maybe the manager was a closed door and not open to recieving feedback?

In the organisation I work in just now it is astonishing how many people are promoted to postions that they are out of their depth in. There are also many people at lower grades in the background who are far more competent.

From what ive seen from the limited evidence available of Gray's team set up, interviews and snippets we've heard from people in the game I'd wager with some conviction that Gray would have done a far better job than the previous 3 managers who somehow waffled their way into our top job.

I understand reservations about Gray, but also I think it would be a very positive thing to have someone in the job who is settled in the Edinburgh area, wants to be here long term and understands exactly what the club is all about. None of the previous managers would have had any long term ambitions to stay with Hibs and that is an issue IMO.

[LeithMike]

David Gray might just be the next big thing as a manager, he could be absolutely brilliant for all we know.

There’s no exact science if we appoint a manager and there’s no such thing as a sure bet. If we appoint Gray, I like to think we will be doing it for the right reasons though.

I agree with this but there is a big BUT. We simply don’t know about Gray. If he makes a bad start will he get time or will he get written off quickly like Maloney as being out of his depth and sacked? We’ll be back in the same place a few months down the line.

If we appointed someone like McInnes then there is good reason to stick with him even through a rough time as he’s proven he can do a good job elsewhere in Scotland time and time again.

It’s not necessary experience we should be looking for, it’s someone with a record of doing well. McInnes has that and to a lesser degree Robinson has it.

People always hold Alex Ferguson out at Man Utd as a reason for giving a manager time. The reason he got that time is they had seen what he had done at Aberdeen and saw the seeds starting bud at Man Utd even in a dark time.

If Gray goes through a tough time then he’ll get sacked. I don’t think that’s particularly fair and think if you are going to appoint a manager you need to stick by them - just make sure you use the best information to get the appointment right. We’ve never done that. Like Maloney and Montgomery, I suspect Gray has to start well. I don’t think McInnes or Robinson would have to.


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[Unseen work]

MM has some job on his hands with leading the search for a manager and sorting out the other stuff .
Sooner we get a manager in now be it Gray or someone else the better .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/malkys-manic-monday-hibs-chief-dives-in-at-deep-end-4650985

Very opinionated article from John Greechan and not the normal for EEN

[Unseen work]

I agree with this but there is a big BUT. We simply don’t know about Gray. If he makes a bad start will he get time or will he get written off quickly like Maloney as being out of his depth and sacked? We’ll be back in the same place a few months down the line.

If we appointed someone like McInnes then there is good reason to stick with him even through a rough time as he’s proven he can do a good job elsewhere in Scotland time and time again.

It’s not necessary experience we should be looking for, it’s someone with a record of doing well. McInnes has that and to a lesser degree Robinson has it.

People always hold Alex Ferguson out at Man Utd as a reason for giving a manager time. The reason he got that time is they had seen what he had done at Aberdeen and saw the seeds starting bud at Man Utd even in a dark time.

If Gray goes through a tough time then he’ll get sacked. I don’t think that’s particularly fair and think if you are going to appoint a manager you need to stick by them - just make sure you use the best information to get the appointment right. We’ve never done that. Like Maloney and Montgomery, I suspect Gray has to start well. I don’t think McInnes or Robinson would have to.


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Yep, people say every manager is a risk. But there are different levels of risk based on the persons experience and previous success.

[Hibees1973]

If it is SDG we'll be waiting till he comes back from Florida - my mate bumped into the SDG family a couple of days ago on his holidays

Hope he doesn't bring back Chris Mueller with him. One of our esteemed owners signings.

[ian cruise]

I agree with this but there is a big BUT. We simply don’t know about Gray. If he makes a bad start will he get time or will he get written off quickly like Maloney as being out of his depth and sacked? We’ll be back in the same place a few months down the line.

If we appointed someone like McInnes then there is good reason to stick with him even through a rough time as he’s proven he can do a good job elsewhere in Scotland time and time again.

It’s not necessary experience we should be looking for, it’s someone with a record of doing well. McInnes has that and to a lesser degree Robinson has it.

People always hold Alex Ferguson out at Man Utd as a reason for giving a manager time. The reason he got that time is they had seen what he had done at Aberdeen and saw the seeds starting bud at Man Utd even in a dark time.

If Gray goes through a tough time then he’ll get sacked. I don’t think that’s particularly fair and think if you are going to appoint a manager you need to stick by them - just make sure you use the best information to get the appointment right. We’ve never done that. Like Maloney and Montgomery, I suspect Gray has to start well. I don’t think McInnes or Robinson would have to.


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We didn't stick with Jack Ross when he has his first run of bad results, a manager with similar successes to McInnes. No reason to suspect McInnes would have been given more leeway than Gray or any other manager by some of the support or those running the club.

[GreenCastle]

Going back to a point above about Gray not liking some of the stuff with Monty…could Gray have made it clear he will be leaving unless he gets an opportunity to manage here ? Therefore the club doesn’t want to lose a legend as would look bad on them and he could easily get the promotion?

Having watched a video of Daz McGregor talking after the SDG testimonial he would be a great choice for assistant - someone the players could really like and would bring some passion to sidelines.

[LeithMike]

We didn't stick with Jack Ross when he has his first run of bad results, a manager with similar successes to McInnes. No reason to suspect McInnes would have been given more leeway than Gray or any other manager by some of the support or those running the club.

Ross doesn’t and didn’t have anything like the track record of McInnes. He had done reasonably well with St Mirren but he certainly hadn’t excelled (Danny Lennon had probably done better).

McInnes has stood out like a sore thumb as the best candidate the last 3 times the job has come up. It doesn’t sound like to me we’ve approached him which is a huge mistake.

Id say Ian Murray would be a similar appointment to Ross - someone with experience who has done reasonably well but hasn’t really excelled. I guess with Gray we can always dream as nobody knows (whereas with Ian Murray, I think we kind of know what it would be like). That’s a big risk though and not really a great strategic decision which tells us a lot about the way the club is run.


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[Unseen work]

Going back to a point above about Gray not liking some of the stuff with Monty…could Gray have made it clear he will be leaving unless he gets an opportunity to manage here ? Therefore the club doesn’t want to lose a legend as would look bad on them and he could easily get the promotion?

Having watched a video of Daz McGregor talking after the SDG testimonial he would be a great choice for assistant - someone the players could really like and would bring some passion to sidelines.

No issue with Daz having some form of involvement, but got Gray to be successful I think he really needs an experienced number 2.

[Winston Ingram]

I get that, I’ve previously argued the case that John Kennedy was far more qualified than Gray, despite neither having first team management experience though.

My point was that he still isn’t an experienced manager and Ipswich were going through experienced managers, probably similar to we were looking for the person to get them back going in the right direction again, they found that person by going for someone who had never managed before but might just be brilliant rather than a tried and tested average that will no doubt have been sacked elsewhere at points.

David Gray might just be the next big thing as a manager, he could be absolutely brilliant for all we know.

There’s no exact science if we appoint a manager and there’s no such thing as a sure bet. If we appoint Gray, I like to think we will be doing it for the right reasons though.

Tbf, McKenna is an outlier. SDG may be brilliant but if we appointed him, it'd be the mother of all gambles.

This board's credibility cannot survive another gamble. To add to that, they know they've made a Roger Hunt of their appointments as a manager. If they were to follow these disasters by giving someone their first managerial job, Gray or anyone else, it would reallyconcern me what sort of idiots are running us.

[LaMotta]

Going back to a point above about Gray not liking some of the stuff with Monty…could Gray have made it clear he will be leaving unless he gets an opportunity to manage here ? Therefore the club doesn’t want to lose a legend as would look bad on them and he could easily get the promotion?

Having watched a video of Daz McGregor talking after the SDG testimonial he would be a great choice for assistant - someone the players could really like and would bring some passion to sidelines.

I was next to Daz last week in a boozer, he was with Marvin Bartley and a couple of other guys. I was with the Mrs so I wasnt really listening to her and naturally decided to eavesdrop into their conversation. The Mrs got the bonus of getting to stare at Daz :greengrin. He was talking about how he signed for Hibs for 800 quid a week and would run through walls for the club whilst now we have a squad littered with players on 3 or 4 times that who don't have that same passion. There's a lot to be said for having people in charge who understand what its like to get the better of Hearts regularly in derbies and win a trophy. It might be just what we need rather the idea of getting in some trendy name from elsewhere with fanciful soundbites about playing freeflowing exciting football. :cb

[Ozyhibby]

Ross doesn’t and didn’t have anything like the track record of McInnes. He had done reasonably well with St Mirren but he certainly hadn’t excelled (Danny Lennon had probably done better).

McInnes has stood out like a sore thumb as the best candidate the last 3 times the job has come up. It doesn’t sound like to me we’ve approached him which is a huge mistake.

Id say Ian Murray would be a similar appointment to Ross - someone with experience who has done reasonably well but hasn’t really excelled. I guess with Gray we can always dream as nobody knows (whereas with Ian Murray, I think we kind of know what it would be like). That’s a big risk though and not really a great strategic decision which tells us a lot about the way the club is run.


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Ross done an amazing job at St. Mirren? [emoji2369]


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[LaMotta]

Ross done an amazing job at St. Mirren? [emoji2369]


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:agree: compare that to Murray's stint there.

[Winston Ingram]

:agree: compare that to Murray's stint there.

The St Mirren fans hate Murray.

JR did do a great job at St Mirren. Saved them from relegation and then won them the Championship the following season.

[MWHIBBIES]

Ross doesn’t and didn’t have anything like the track record of McInnes. He had done reasonably well with St Mirren but he certainly hadn’t excelled (Danny Lennon had probably done better).

McInnes has stood out like a sore thumb as the best candidate the last 3 times the job has come up. It doesn’t sound like to me we’ve approached him which is a huge mistake.

Id say Ian Murray would be a similar appointment to Ross - someone with experience who has done reasonably well but hasn’t really excelled. I guess with Gray we can always dream as nobody knows (whereas with Ian Murray, I think we kind of know what it would be like). That’s a big risk though and not really a great strategic decision which tells us a lot about the way the club is run.


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What could Ross possibly have done better at st Mirren? Kept them up and got promoted in 18 months.

[JimBHibees]

What could Ross possibly have done better at st Mirren? Kept them up and got promoted in 18 months.

Sure they were adrift at bottom of the league when he took over. Done an amazing job with them

[LeithMike]

What could Ross possibly have done better at st Mirren? Kept them up and got promoted in 18 months.

There is a big difference between getting a club promoted and establishing them in the top half of the league after promotion.

I think Robinson’s achievement this year is better, no? Again though, I don’t think we should rush to judge managers over one season.


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[TrinityHFC]

We didn't stick with Jack Ross when he has his first run of bad results, a manager with similar successes to McInnes. No reason to suspect McInnes would have been given more leeway than Gray or any other manager by some of the support or those running the club.

Agree. He would get probably more leeway than anyone. We’ve had plenty managers with decent records before us and who had also started well enough with us but a bad spell and that’s pretty much it for most.

[Donegal Hibby]

Never understood the hype about Robinson , always thought he was an average manager at best.

3 out of the 4 clubs he's been at he's lost more games than he's won and even the one he did win more at , that was only by 3 more games than he lost at them.

Win % overall of 35% ,it's no wonder the Sunderland fans are pi$$ed off with talk of him becoming their manager.

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/stephen-robinson-st-mirren-gaffa.1634306/

[TrinityHFC]

Never understood the hype about Robinson , always thought he was an average manager at best.

3 out of the 4 clubs he's been at he's lost more games than he's won and even the one he did win more at , that was only by 3 more games than he lost at them.

Win % overall of 35% ,it's no wonder the Sunderland fans are pi$$ed off with talk of him becoming their manager.

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/stephen-robinson-st-mirren-gaffa.1634306/

You have to take into account what they have to work with. Think he’s done very well with limited resources.

[Iain G]

Never understood the hype about Robinson , always thought he was an average manager at best.

3 out of the 4 clubs he's been at he's lost more games than he's won and even the one he did win more at , that was only by 3 more games than he lost at them.

Win % overall of 35% ,it's no wonder the Sunderland fans are pi$$ed off with talk of him becoming their manager.

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/stephen-robinson-st-mirren-gaffa.1634306/

He is average and seems to have a bit of a ****ty attitude. Some managers just work better at small clubs. It's a no from me.

[Smartie]

Has there ever been a search for a manager when there have been so few realistic candidates?

There seems to be a mad dearth of options.

I'm in favour of giving it to Gray (decent credentials, lacks experience - experience he would get doing the job) but I respect those who point out that it's a gamble. We're not really overlooking hundreds of great candidates to give him it if we do.

[The Modfather]

We didn't stick with Jack Ross when he has his first run of bad results, a manager with similar successes to McInnes. No reason to suspect McInnes would have been given more leeway than Gray or any other manager by some of the support or those running the club.

To be fair Ross wasn’t sacked after the 3 cup defeats. That undid the goodwill he would have earned from finishing 3rd. Not many managers would survive the kind of run that saw him sacked with no credit in the bank.

[MWHIBBIES]

There is a big difference between getting a club promoted and establishing them in the top half of the league after promotion.

I think Robinson’s achievement this year is better, no? Again though, I don’t think we should rush to judge managers over one season.


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I don't think Ross could possibly have done better in the time he had there. Got him a big job. Robinson and Lennon never had a job like Sunderland or even Hibs.

[Donegal Hibby]

You have to take into account what they have to work with. Think he’s done very well with limited resources.

LJ was at oldham and had 35% win rate there . Robinson had 21.2% .

Derek Adams was at Morecambe and had 42% win rate there . Robinson had 25%.

Not that I would want LJ or Derek Adams back but both have a better overall win percentage than Robinson.

Think he done alright last year which was partly done to how bad both us and Aberdeen were , still think he's an average manager though.

[Donegal Hibby]

He is average and seems to have a bit of a ****ty attitude. Some managers just work better at small clubs. It's a no from me.

Yep , agreed totally.

[Iain G]

Has there ever been a search for a manager when there have been so few realistic candidates?

There seems to be a mad dearth of options.

I'm in favour of giving it to Gray (decent credentials, lacks experience - experience he would get doing the job) but I respect those who point out that it's a gamble. We're not really overlooking hundreds of great candidates to give him it if we do.

#Announce Klopp!

[Since452]

He finishes 6th he’ll be out a job,


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7th yes. 6th it would depend on the cups and certain results in derbies etc.

[Since452]

He finished 5th and got Europe, didn't he?

5 points off 3rd too. We could very easily have finished 3rd under Johnson. We talk about VAR this season. We were very much victims of poor calls under LJ too.

[K-Zazu]

Never understood the hype about Robinson , always thought he was an average manager at best.

3 out of the 4 clubs he's been at he's lost more games than he's won and even the one he did win more at , that was only by 3 more games than he lost at them.

Win % overall of 35% ,it's no wonder the Sunderland fans are pi$$ed off with talk of him becoming their manager.

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/stephen-robinson-st-mirren-gaffa.1634306/


We know you don’t like Robinson, you’ve only said it about 50 times.

[Donegal Hibby]

We know you don’t like Robinson, you’ve only said it about 50 times.

Here's me thinking I was talking about his managerial record.:rolleyes:

[worcesterhibby]

I think last year our attacking set pieces was about 3rd best in the league, as for defensive set pieces, it was not his remit, that was Sergio.

I'd love to find the stats (without paying for a stats site !) Dundee were number one for attacking set Pieces and Hearts were 2nd according to this article https://totalfootballanalysis.com/set-piece-analysis/dundee-attacking-corners-set-piece-analysis-tactics but can't find any details on Hibs.

Oh and thanks for clarifying that it's attacking set pieces he was in charge of :aok:

[J-C]

I'd love to find the stats (without paying for a stats site !) Dundee were number one for attacking set Pieces and Hearts were 2nd according to this article https://totalfootballanalysis.com/set-piece-analysis/dundee-attacking-corners-set-piece-analysis-tactics but can't find any details on Hibs.

Oh and thanks for clarifying that it's attacking set pieces he was in charge of :aok:

Jeffers knows more about what he did than me, just going by what he's said previously, it was last seasons stats I was talking about, again can't remember who but someone did say they were around 3rd best.

[Hibiza]

Jack Ross complete flop at Dundee Utd . Was overrated when we got him

[MWHIBBIES]

Jack Ross complete flop at Dundee Utd . Was overrated when we got him

Id love another overrated guy then. Excellent job here.

[Paul1642]

Id love another overrated guy then. Excellent job here.

I’d love the next manger to get us 3rd and to a cup final

[Gmack7]

The Bosnia manager is taking charge of his first ever game as a manager at any level tonight against England, experience is over rated it seems

[hhibs]

How many goals have we scored from dead ball situations..how many have we conceded ? I don't know the answer but it could tell us something about SDG's effectiveness as a coach.


Indeed,I for sure do not want SDG.


Just feel there is a PR push and some fans are buying into it ,I really hope I am wrong but SDG is a big no from me and from the fans I am in touch with.

On the other hand from MM appointment I have thought Ian Murray would be the appointment,and no I am not keen on that either.

I will support however if appointed but hoping for something inspirational.

[hhibs]

Id love another overrated guy then. Excellent job here.


Totally agree,oh for the want of centre half !! ****ty Hibs recruitment really fffdd him

[supermcginn]

Here's me thinking I was talking about his managerial record.:rolleyes:

He got Motherwell to two cup finals and 3rd place and just got St mirren to their highest league placing in 40 years. His record in Scotland is excellent.

[Skol]

I wonder if there has been no talk of managers as mackay wasn’t able to take up the role until Saturday under the terms of his Ross county departure. If ther had been progress and Malay had been working he may have been in breach. Possible that things start moving now he has started officially

I would love gray to be a successful manager, but won’t lie, it’s a big risk. The biggest since sauzee and we know how that ended. I am hoping there is someone else and maybe they take gray in as part of their main coaching team, possibly as number two.

[ChuckNor]

Still reading hot takes about Gray being a risk. Pray tell, is there such a thing as a non-risky appointment? No.

Will repeat, Gray is the most experienced option for hibs given his time here. He knows what’s needed. He has Malky helping. He has excellent credentials and his reputation among some significant pros (see McGeady) is very strong. He will succeed at hibs.

[Skol]

Of course there isn’t, but it’s the levels of risk. We took gambles on our last three managers and then cut them loose pretty quickly.

[allezsauzee]

Id love another overrated guy then. Excellent job here.

He really didn't do an excellent job here, which is why he was fired.

[timewilltell]

Still reading hot takes about Gray being a risk. Pray tell, is there such a thing as a non-risky appointment? No.

Will repeat, Gray is the most experienced option for hibs given his time here. He knows what’s needed. He has Malky helping. He has excellent credentials and his reputation among some significant pros (see McGeady) is very strong. He will succeed at hibs.
That's laughable. He has NO experience and he's been part of the last years of dire football.

[Real Emerald]

Still reading hot takes about Gray being a risk. Pray tell, is there such a thing as a non-risky appointment? No.

Will repeat, Gray is the most experienced option for hibs given his time here. He knows what’s needed. He has Malky helping. He has excellent credentials and his reputation among some significant pros (see McGeady) is very strong. He will succeed at hibs.

Gray has absolutely no experience of managing a football team. He has taken over responsibilities as an interim coach, done coaching and picked a team as a stand in but has never been the manager of a team. He hasn’t signed players, sacked players, made budget decisions or taken any real flak for his performances. That sort of experience should really have been gotten before letting loose on a club like Hibs. He wouldn’t get a chance at any other Premiership club with his CV.

[B.H.F.C]

Gray has absolutely no experience of managing a football team. He has taken over responsibilities as an interim coach, done coaching and picked a team as a stand in but has never been the manager of a team. He hasn’t signed players, sacked players, made budget decisions or taken any real flak for his performances. That sort of experience should really have been gotten before letting loose on a club like Hibs. He wouldn’t get a chance at any other Premiership club with his CV.

A lot of your reasons noted against there are why we have appointed a Sporting Director.

[Real Emerald]

A lot of your reasons noted against there are why we have appointed a Sporting Director.

So are we training managers now and MM is the real manager? I’d rather have someone in who has been at the sharp end with experience of the ups and downs of being a manager and has a proven record of success, or is that too big an ask for Hibs?

[Paul1642]

Still reading hot takes about Gray being a risk. Pray tell, is there such a thing as a non-risky appointment? No.

Will repeat, Gray is the most experienced option for hibs given his time here. He knows what’s needed. He has Malky helping. He has excellent credentials and his reputation among some significant pros (see McGeady) is very strong. He will succeed at hibs.

The ‘no such thing as a non-risky manger’ line is tiresome.

Yes it’s technically true, because Pep Guardiola could in theory fail at Hibs. That doesn’t mean we should just appoint anybody because other candidates are a risk.

The risk factor with managers goes on a sliding scale factoring in, among other things, ability, experience and knowledge.

A manger like McInnes (yes I know that’s not happening) of course is still a risk but he has proven his ability, has bags of experience and knows the league as well as anyone, therefore would be a low risk appointment.

Gray's ability is completely unknown, his experience is nil, so he only ticks the knowledge of the league which unfortunately for me is the least important of the 3 categories.

There is also a the risk to reward element and as far as I’m concerned Gray is high risk to low reward. Even is he does well it’s not going to be 3rd place and silverware levels of success.

We don’t need to limit ourselves to Scottish mangers and English rejects. Europe is a big place full of great coaches who could do a great job for us. Higher risk > higher reward.

[ChuckNor]

Gray has absolutely no experience of managing a football team. He has taken over responsibilities as an interim coach, done coaching and picked a team as a stand in but has never been the manager of a team. He hasn’t signed players, sacked players, made budget decisions or taken any real flak for his performances. That sort of experience should really have been gotten before letting loose on a club like Hibs. He wouldn’t get a chance at any other Premiership club with his CV.

Good job we hired an incredibly experience sporting director who is literally in charge of most of the above…

[B.H.F.C]

So are we training managers now and MM is the real manager? I’d rather have someone in who has been at the sharp end with experience of the ups and downs of being a manager and has a proven record of success, or is that too big an ask for Hibs?

No but you’re talking about whoever gets the job doing all of the hiring and firing as well as managing the budgets. Sporting Director will look after most of that for them. Whoever gets the job can then concentrate on the team.

[NC1875]

Still reading hot takes about Gray being a risk. Pray tell, is there such a thing as a non-risky appointment? No.

Will repeat, Gray is the most experienced option for hibs given his time here. He knows what’s needed. He has Malky helping. He has excellent credentials and his reputation among some significant pros (see McGeady) is very strong. He will succeed at hibs.

Gray the most experienced option ? 😂

You say no such things as a non risky appointment then go on to tell us David Gray who’s never been a football manager before will succeed 🤔

So many fans jumping on the bandwagon with this and it’s mental. He should be nowhere near Hibs as manager at this moment in time.

[GreenCastle]

Good job we hired an incredibly experience sporting director who is literally in charge of most of the above…

Who will get paid more…

The new head coach of Hibs or the Sporting Director ?

[Winston Ingram]

Still reading hot takes about Gray being a risk. Pray tell, is there such a thing as a non-risky appointment? No.

Will repeat, Gray is the most experienced option for hibs given his time here. He knows what’s needed. He has Malky helping. He has excellent credentials and his reputation among some significant pros (see McGeady) is very strong. He will succeed at hibs.

There are less risky ones, like someone with a track record of being a decent manager v one with no track record at all.

[we are hibs]

Still reading hot takes about Gray being a risk. Pray tell, is there such a thing as a non-risky appointment? No.

Will repeat, Gray is the most experienced option for hibs given his time here. He knows what’s needed. He has Malky helping. He has excellent credentials and his reputation among some significant pros (see McGeady) is very strong. He will succeed at hibs.You can repeat it as many times as you like but it won't make it true.

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[TrinityHFC]

Gray has absolutely no experience of managing a football team. He has taken over responsibilities as an interim coach, done coaching and picked a team as a stand in but has never been the manager of a team. He hasn’t signed players, sacked players, made budget decisions or taken any real flak for his performances. That sort of experience should really have been gotten before letting loose on a club like Hibs. He wouldn’t get a chance at any other Premiership club with his CV.

Like Mowbray, Collins, Stubbs etc…

[ChuckNor]

Yea, Hearts seem to be really concerned with how their previously untested manager has been getting on. It’s almost like his years of being around the team has helped him get the best out of a squad that had previously struggled.

Why some fans on this forum can’t contemplate a similar level of success for David Gray is beyond me. It’s almost like you all would rather we went for an “exciting” option out of left field which has served us so incredible well in the recent past. Bring on a random European/English lower league manager weigh zero experience of Scottish football! That’ll surely work out well!

[Springbank]

When we appointed Lee Johnson, Jon Dahl Tomasson was interested

This time round we hear Ronnie Deila is interested

Appoint Ronnie is the message

[Heisenberg]

When we appointed Lee Johnson, Jon Dahl Tomasson was interested

This time round we hear Ronnie Deila is interested

Appoint Ronnie is the message

Can’t say I’ve seen anyone report that Deila is interested in the job?

[Springbank]

Yea, Hearts seem to be really concerned with how their previously untested manager has been getting on. It’s almost like his years of being around the team has helped him get the best out of a squad that had previously struggled.

Why some fans on this forum can’t contemplate a similar level of success for David Gray is beyond me. It’s almost like you all would rather we went for an “exciting” option out of left field which has served us so incredible well in the recent past. Bring on a random European/English lower league manager weigh zero experience of Scottish football! That’ll surely work out well!

Horse ****

Hearts fans were calling for Naismiths head as recently as Christmas

[Springbank]

Can’t say I’ve seen anyone report that Deila is interested in the job?

It's in a few of the threats that he applied

[ChuckNor]

Horse ****

Hearts fans were calling for Naismiths head as recently as Christmas

How has it worked out since? I don’t think they want him out now.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

One thing that I don’t think has been recognised is that, despite knowing how toxic things have been and how difficult a job this is given our current state, Gray not only wants the job but clearly backs himself to do the job. Fair play to him for that.

[Donegal Hibby]

He got Motherwell to two cup finals and 3rd place and just got St mirren to their highest league placing in 40 years. His record in Scotland is excellent.

The season he finished 3rd was the season that was stopped early I think . Always good getting to cup finals though always think you need abit of luck with the drawers too .

After being interim manager for a short period he was appointed manager in march 2017 . Well finished 9th , losing 20 games out of 38 with a minus goal difference of 23 .

2018.
Well finished 7th losing 16 games out of 38 .

On Dec 2020/21 season he resigned . Well finished 8th losing 17 games out of 38 . They also struggled scoring goals that season only scoring 39 in 38 games with a minus 16 goal difference .

Its fair enough if folk rate him though as I said I don't see the hype about him as his win percentage is lower than the likes of LJ's and Derek Adams who nobody would want back .

If he goes to Sunderland I suspect he will get found out and sacked too not that I care how Sunderland or Robinson do.

[Unseen work]

Still reading hot takes about Gray being a risk. Pray tell, is there such a thing as a non-risky appointment? No.

Will repeat, Gray is the most experienced option for hibs given his time here. He knows what’s needed. He has Malky helping. He has excellent credentials and his reputation among some significant pros (see McGeady) is very strong. He will succeed at hibs.

There is no such thing is a non risky appointment no. But you can select less risky options. If you’re betting on a horses for example, the favourite is a favourite for a reason and although a risk, is more likely to win. Bet on one at 100/1 and it’s a greater risk.

Gray being at the club a long time in no way means he’s the most experienced man for the job. Would you give it to Eddie May?

He may know what is/isn’t needed, but that doesn’t mean he’s experienced. I’m sure Mcinnes and Robinson would also know what’s needed.

[ChuckNor]

Track records of being decent managers can be said about.

Jack Ross
Paul Heckingbottom
Neil Lennon
Terry Butcher
Nick Montgomery
Lee Johnson
Jim Duffy
Bobby Williamson
Mixu Paatelainan


How did it work out with them? I think the only successful ones on that list are Jack Ross and Neil Lennon.

Inexperienced managers include
Alan Stubbs
Alex McLeish
Tony Mowbray
John Collins
Shaun Maloney

One flop in a list that includes two managers that won trophies and two that got us third place and Europe.

Risky.

[SeanWilson]

Track records of being decent managers can be said about.

Jack Ross
Paul Heckingbottom
Neil Lennon
Terry Butcher
Nick Montgomery
Lee Johnson
Jim Duffy
Bobby Williamson
Mixu Paatelainan


How did it work out with them? I think the only successful ones on that list are Jack Ross and Neil Lennon.

Inexperienced managers include
Alan Stubbs
Alex McLeish
Tony Mowbray
John Collins
Shaun Maloney

One flop in a list that includes two managers that won trophies and and one that got us third place and Europe.

Risky.

I sincerely hope the hierarchy aren’t making decisions based on any of your logic.

[ChuckNor]

I sincerely hope the hierarchy aren’t making decisions based on any of your logic.

My logic being that David Gray knows the club and players inside out and has an excellent reputation among very experienced quality players he has coached? Sometimes it’s easier just to admit you want a random European/English coach that gets you excited instead of the blatantly obvious safe pair of hands staring at you right in the face.

[BoomtownHibees]

Track records of being decent managers can be said about.

Jack Ross
Paul Heckingbottom
Neil Lennon
Terry Butcher
Nick Montgomery
Lee Johnson
Jim Duffy
Bobby Williamson
Mixu Paatelainan


How did it work out with them? I think the only successful ones on that list are Jack Ross and Neil Lennon.

Inexperienced managers include
Alan Stubbs
Alex McLeish
Tony Mowbray
John Collins
Shaun Maloney

One flop in a list that includes two managers that won trophies and two that got us third place and Europe.

Risky.

McLeish had managed Motherwell for 4 years before coming to Hibs

[ChuckNor]

McLeish had managed Motherwell for 4 years before coming to Hibs

My point still stands. Our most successful managers in recent years have been inexperienced. Gray’s lack of experience as a manager doesn’t matter as much as many people on here are making out.

[Unseen work]

My logic being that David Gray knows the club and players inside out and has an excellent reputation among very experienced quality players he has coached? Sometimes it’s easier just to admit you want a random European/English coach that gets you excited instead of the blatantly obvious safe pair of hands staring at you right in the face.

There is nothing blatantly obvious about it. I actually think Gray would do quite well, but to say it’s blatantly obvious is wrong.

For all the examples of it working there’s your Stephen Hammells, Steven McLeans, Barry Robsons etc

[ChuckNor]

Also, McLeish had a win percentage of 30% at Motherwell. Again, risky.

[SeanWilson]

My logic being that David Gray knows the club and players inside out and has an excellent reputation among very experienced quality players he has coached? Sometimes it’s easier just to admit you want a random European/English coach that gets you excited instead of the blatantly obvious safe pair of hands staring at you right in the face.

His hibs legendary reputation can never be questioned.

The fact he is respected by this bunch of players, means sweet FA. He’s not a head coach, he’s not even an assistant coach. You can bleat on about his record of standing in after several abominations…. It means bugger all.

The acceptance of his appointment (if true) by so many, is exactly what’s wrong with our club. Rotten mediocrity from the core.

At this juncture in time, I’d like someone who has experience of being a ‘head coach’/manager. The rest is semantics. A David Gray appointment, ending badly is a final nail in the coffin at this stage.

As I’ve said loads, I’ll back him to the hilt if it ends up going that way. I just really really hope it doesn’t.

[J-C]

Gray the most experienced option ? 😂

You say no such things as a non risky appointment then go on to tell us David Gray who’s never been a football manager before will succeed 🤔

So many fans jumping on the bandwagon with this and it’s mental. He should be nowhere near Hibs as manager at this moment in time.

Stubbs was an U20's coach at Everton with zero management experience, Mowbray was a coach at Ipswich with zero management experience. One won us the cup and the other left a squad for Collins to win a cup...oh! by the way Collins had never coached before prior to being our manager.

[ChuckNor]

His hibs legendary reputation can never be questioned.

The fact he is respected by this bunch of players, means sweet FA. He’s not a head coach, he’s not even an assistant coach. You can bleat on about his record of standing in after several abominations…. It means bugger all.

The acceptance of his appointment (if true) by so many, is exactly what’s wrong with our club. Rotten mediocrity from the core.

At this juncture in time, I’d like someone who has experience of being a ‘head coach’/manager. The rest is semantics. A David Gray appointment, ending badly is a final nail in the coffin at this stage.

As I’ve said loads, I’ll back him to the hilt if it ends up going that way. I just really really hope it doesn’t.

Firstly, I’m talking about quality players he has coached - see Aiden McGeady’s glowing reports of Gray. I am aware of several others who have since left the club for bigger and better things who rated Gray incredibly highly.

[EdinMike]

Before I actually give up on this complete meltdown of a thread, I should ask. How many people here have ever moved from a supervisor or higher up position into management ?

It’s difficult, it brings a whole load of new challenges. But at the time of your progression you are deemed fit to do so.

It’s why I don’t have any concerns of Gray getting it. If he’s picked, it’s through his ability to perform the task.

[ian cruise]

Made this post on the PM board thread apologies for the duplication.

While Gray wouldn't be my first choice, I do think many are forgetting how inspirational a captain he was for us when he played. It wasn't just the goal in the final, he was there encouraging everyone to give it their all, and leading by example and he did that consistently throughout his tenure. Not the best defender in our history, not the best going forward in our history, but he was a great captain. If he can inspire players as a manager/head coach to care about Hibernian as he did as our manager then we'd be in good hands.

Whether he get the gig or not, I'd like to see Bartley back at Hibs in the coaching set up at some level. Good reputation as a coach and another who would make sure the players appreciated what being part of Hibs means.

[ekhibee]

Also, McLeish had a win percentage of 30% at Motherwell. Again, risky.

They finished 2nd in the league under McLeish.

[NC1875]

Firstly, I’m talking about quality players he has coached - see Aiden McGeady’s glowing reports of Gray. I am aware of several others who have since left the club for bigger and better things who rated Gray incredibly highly.

You are talking nonsense now. Several others who have left the club and went onto bigger and better things ? We don’t have several others who have went onto better things. Never mind the imaginary ones who long to be reunited with there old set piece coach.

[Eyrie]

Gray isn't being handed the job on a plate.

If he gets it then it will be because he was regarded as the best of the candidates interviewed by a panel which contains two representatives of the Black Knights who have no sentimental attachment to a legendary player and long standing coach.

[Smartie]

One thing that I don’t think has been recognised is that, despite knowing how toxic things have been and how difficult a job this is given our current state, Gray not only wants the job but clearly backs himself to do the job. Fair play to him for that.

Not insignificant imo.

He‘ll be very well placed to know what’s required. In terms of the easy option for Gray himself, that would be to blend into the background and say he needs to learn his trade coaching.

If he’s as keen as has been reported, I’m on board with giving the job to a guy who knows the magnitude of the task and who is prepared to stick his neck on the block for us.

[easty]

I sincerely hope the hierarchy aren’t making decisions based on any of your logic.

What logic?

[easty]

Before I actually give up on this complete meltdown of a thread, I should ask. How many people here have ever moved from a supervisor or higher up position into management ?

It’s difficult, it brings a whole load of new challenges. But at the time of your progression you are deemed fit to do so.

It’s why I don’t have any concerns of Gray getting it. If he’s picked, it’s through his ability to perform the task.

The Peter principle applies in football just as much as it does in an office environment.

If you’ve never worked with someone who’s been promoted above their level of competence then you’re lucky.

[Onion]

If you owned the club, when appointing a new manager, would you just say ah sod it, he is here anyway, lets go for him? Doesnt make any sense at all. A successful team benefits everyone, so why would they decide to cut corners on prob the most important job at the club? They have already gone out and got MM to try and make the football department run smoothly so why would they then want to appoint a "cheap not fit for purpose manager"......as i said it makes no sense.

In the past, they havent got it right, but i can understand their thought process for Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery.

Given their abject past history in picking managers (and players for that matter), I feel it's more important than ever to hear their logic so we can keep them honest. While Gordon / Foley own the club, it's OUR club. The fans who fork out week after week are the past present and future of this club and it's more than reasonable that we understand WHY decisions are being made - not just what the decision are. Leanne Dempster knew that, was a fantastic communicator who was instrumental in rebuilding the link between fans and club after the disaster of relegation and Butcher. This lot have done next to nothing in the last few weeks, with so much uncertainty. Not even a "determined to bring in the very best manager possible, for an exciting rebuild of the club". It feels like this manager appoint is being done in the shadows, with Hibs quietly pushing stories to the media to set expectations or get soundings. Where is the positive engagement ? The club's fan engagement sucks.

[LaMotta]

He really didn't do an excellent job here, which is why he was fired.

He did do excellent then he went on a bad run and got fired. Every manager will go on a bad run, one day we will learn to allow the ones that have proved they can do a good job to go through a bad run without sacking them.

[LaMotta]

The Peter principle applies in football just as much as it does in an office environment.

If you’ve never worked with someone who’s been promoted above their level of competence then you’re lucky.

David Gray has worked with 3 managers in a row who have been promoted above their level of competence.

[Ship of Hope]

Given their abject past history in picking managers (and players for that matter), I feel it's more important than ever to hear their logic so we can keep them honest. While Gordon / Foley own the club, it's OUR club. The fans who fork out week after week are the past present and future of this club and it's more than reasonable that we understand WHY decisions are being made - not just what the decision are. Leanne Dempster knew that, was a fantastic communicator who was instrumental in rebuilding the link between fans and club after the disaster of relegation and Butcher. This lot have done next to nothing in the last few weeks, with so much uncertainty. Not even a "determined to bring in the very best manager possible, for an exciting rebuild of the club". It feels like this manager appoint is being done in the shadows, with Hibs quietly pushing stories to the media to set expectations or get soundings. Where is the positive engagement ? The club's fan engagement sucks.

I don’t recall dempster ever discussing candidates for the managers job whilst the process was ongoing. Whilst I thought she did a good job at the time, and with the benefit of hindsight, her skill set did not include massively improving the revenue stream as has happened since her departure. I am not sure anyone knows what has been going on behind the scenes but that is the way it always is until an appointment is announced? Not sure it constitutes operating in the shadows. I will support whoever gets the job and if it is David Gray then I am sure it will be on merit. If not it will be because someone else has been determined as a better fit. It could easily be argued that your engagement with the club sucks.

[Gatecrasher]

We can't even get behind the guy who captained us to the Scottish cup :rolleyes:

Give the guy a chance ffs he can't do much worse than what we've been subjected to already.

[Since452]

We can't even get behind the guy who captained us to the Scottish cup :rolleyes:

Give the guy a chance ffs he can't do much worse than what we've been subjected to already.

I think if he was appointed he'd have pretty much unanimous backing. There's definitely some legitimate concerns though. I'm less against it now than I was initially.

[AlbertK86]

He did do excellent then he went on a bad run and got fired. Every manager will go on a bad run, one day we will learn to allow the ones that have proved they can do a good job to go through a bad run without sacking them.

Great post.


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[NC1875]

We can't even get behind the guy who captained us to the Scottish cup :rolleyes:

Give the guy a chance ffs he can't do much worse than what we've been subjected to already.

Of course people will get behind him IF he gets the job.

But it makes no sense giving him the job in the first place given the mess we are in. If Gray was being promoted from a point of success where a manager had moved onto better things after doing well here, the job would be a lot easier.

We’re expecting a complete novice to build a team from scratch and get results in the process. We need someone who’s been there and done that, instead the shower of clowns running the club are about to throw David Gray under the bus.

[bingo70]

We can't even get behind the guy who captained us to the Scottish cup :rolleyes:

Give the guy a chance ffs he can't do much worse than what we've been subjected to already.

In fairness, the whole point of this forum is to give our opinion on what’s going on at the club, if people don’t think he’s the right person, they should say that. As long as it’s not personal then I don’t see the issue.

He’s not my choice but if he gets it then I’m happy to hope for the best.

If it is him, surely we will hear in the next day or two.

[GreenCastle]

I’m more concerned about the recruitment of new players than the manager.

If we don’t bring in what we need we will struggle again.

If David Gray gets the job and doesn’t bring in players he will basically be ending his manager career before it’s even started.

It’s a risk for him - if he succeeds he will be off in 2/3 years to another club if he has ambitions to push on (which surely he does - that surely can only be a club in England ??). If he fails then his managerial career will possibly end up like many other ex pros.

What would be the ideal situation is he does well - unites the fans - stay with the club for next 5+ years and gives us stability and success.

The best thing Gray could do is be ruthless from the start and show no sentiment to players who have been below standards. Hes seen enough up close to know what is surely needed to improve this team - the average punter can see it so surely he can.

[Stuart93]

Positive appointing Gray is there should be no clean slates.

He’s seen the team long enough to know exactly what we need

[GreenCastle]

Positive appointing Gray is there should be no clean slates.

He’s seen the team long enough to know exactly what we need

It would be one of the worst things he could say in his 1st press conference!

[bingo70]

It would be one of the worst things he could say in his 1st press conference!

It’s the sort of thing he needs to say as he doesn’t want the players he can’t get rid of to be de-motivated.

I’m not really interested in what he says in that regard as he’s got to play the game to an extent, I’ll be more worried if the likes of Campbell, JDH, Rocky, McKirdy and others are involved at the start of the season.

[Smartie]

It’s the sort of thing he needs to say as he doesn’t want the players he can’t get rid of to be de-motivated.

I’m not really interested in what he says in that regard as he’s got to play the game to an extent, I’ll be more worried if the likes of Campbell, JDH, Rocky, McKirdy and others are involved at the start of the season.

I think we've got to accept they'll be involved at the start of this season.

It's if they're still involved at the start of next season that we'll need to worry.

[Greenworld]

Stubbs was an U20's coach at Everton with zero management experience, Mowbray was a coach at Ipswich with zero management experience. One won us the cup and the other left a squad for Collins to win a cup...oh! by the way Collins had never coached before prior to being our manager.*says assistant manager for 5 years that's experience no?


once more to*Everton, this time as a coach, where he was assistant manager of the U21 team for five years, before managing them for one year.[28]*In May 2013, Stubbs was interviewed by*Bill Kenwright*for the vacant manager's role at Everton

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[ChuckNor]

They finished 2nd in the league under McLeish.

In his first season as a manager…

[blackpoolhibs]

He did do excellent then he went on a bad run and got fired. Every manager will go on a bad run, one day we will learn to allow the ones that have proved they can do a good job to go through a bad run without sacking them.

:top marks:agree:

[blackpoolhibs]

We can't even get behind the guy who captained us to the Scottish cup :rolleyes:

Give the guy a chance ffs he can't do much worse than what we've been subjected to already.

I will get right behind him if it is him that's appointed, although what i will say before anyone is given the job is if it is Gray, then we've not approached anyone with any decent credentials for the job who wanted it.

Gray would not get a job at any other club in our league as manager, although he has some things going for him, a club our size should be appointing someone better qualified than Gray.

Although that's not to say Gray wont be a success, but we should be trying to minimize the risk in my opinion.

[Since452]

I will get right behind him if it is him that's appointed, although what i will say before anyone is given the job is if it is Gray, then we've not approached anyone with any decent credentials for the job who wanted it.

Gray would not get a job at any other club in our league as manager, although he has some things going for him, a club our size should be appointing someone better qualified than Gray.

Although that's not to say Gray wont be a success, but we should be trying to minimize the risk in my opinion.

Especially considering our last manager was such a colossal risk which backfired spectacularly. You'd think they'd be more inclined to play it safe this time.

[matty_f]

I'm totally split on SDG getting it. I think you can easily make a good case for him, and if he got it then I definitely wouldn't be unhappy about it. There is certainly a romanticism around the cup winning captain progressing to Head Coach and (all being well) strengthening an already wonderful bond between the player and the support. Stepping away from the birthday caird pish, Gray is also an emerging coach having spent a few years now working with the first team under a number of different Head Coaches, all of whom he will have learned from.

The flip side of that, though, is whether this is the right time for such an appointment, and what does it say about the extensiveness of the review that was conducted (or is still being conducted?) that we find the ideal candidate on our doorstep, having already been lucky enough to find a Sporting Director in the social sphere of the club's hierarchy. What are the odds, eh?

That is a bit of a misleading argument, though. The review itself was not to recruit a Head Coach or a Sporting Director, from what I gather. Rather it was to look at whether the recruitment process itself was as robust and best practicey enough to give confidence that whoever is hired is fit for purpose (for both Head Coach and Sporting Director). Simply connecting Malky or SDG to the review is the wrong way of looking at it, the review will have told us we needed those roles and tested the process to hire them.

That said, we are on the back of a woeful season. The scale of the job in front of the new Head Coach is difficult to overstate. The squad needs an overhaul with at least half of the first team needing replaced before a ball is kicked next season. We can't afford any mis-steps at the start of the season because a large chunk of the support are already losing (or have lost) faith in the board's ability to steer the ship back on course.

Can the board really afford to roll the dice on Gray, in his first Head Coach role, in these circumstances? I'm not so sure.

And I would say that's more the case now because Hibs apparently leaked that they didn't want to get pulled into discussions on compensation, immediately ruling out some fans' favourites for the job. Hiring from within - regardless of whether it's fair or not - is going to be seen as taking the cheap option.

And taking the cheap option, when Kensell has already told supporters that the plans presented to shareholders aren't going to progress as intended so he can throw money at fixing the first team, and when we've just got into bed with a millionaire, feels like a ludicrous position to be in.

It's a huge gamble if we go with SDG. I think that's the road we're going down so I guess we all have to hope that he's a roaring success and he vindicates a decision that, if it goes wrong, should see some folk chased out the club.

[GreenGray]

There is no such thing is a non risky appointment no. But you can select less risky options. If you’re betting on a horses for example, the favourite is a favourite for a reason and although a risk, is more likely to win. Bet on one at 100/1 and it’s a greater risk.

Gray being at the club a long time in no way means he’s the most experienced man for the job. Would you give it to Eddie May?

He may know what is/isn’t needed, but that doesn’t mean he’s experienced. I’m sure Mcinnes and Robinson would also know what’s needed.

Give me a realistic appointment that is less risky?

[Donegal Hibby]

Especially considering our last manager was such a colossal risk which backfired spectacularly. You'd think they'd be more inclined to play it safe this time.

We have played it safe in the past though and it's backfired on us too . Looks like it will be Gray though it could still be somebody else like Ronnie Delia who has an incredible record though some folk aren't keen on him either .

Would he not be seen as playing it safe ? . Imo I don't think there are any safe options we could appoint till we sort out the squad which I think having been a coach for 3 years now at us Gray will have a better knowledge of than most other candidates .

[Smartie]

He did do excellent then he went on a bad run and got fired. Every manager will go on a bad run, one day we will learn to allow the ones that have proved they can do a good job to go through a bad run without sacking them.

Especially when there's a cup final and a transfer window just around the corner.

[He's here!]

Jack Ross complete flop at Dundee Utd . Was overrated when we got him

Uh huh. Transformed St Mirren from relegation candidates to Championship winners, took Sunderland to the play-off final, Hibs to third place and two cup finals. Completely overrated.

[Stuart93]

We back on the Jack Ross debate, again?

[J-C]

We back on the Jack Ross debate, again?

Don't worry, we'll talk about Lenny etc soon.

[JimBHibees]

Stubbs was an U20's coach at Everton with zero management experience, Mowbray was a coach at Ipswich with zero management experience. One won us the cup and the other left a squad for Collins to win a cup...oh! by the way Collins had never coached before prior to being our manager.

Surely Stubbs and Mowbray would have had management experience of the teams they were coaching.

[Unseen work]

Give me a realistic appointment that is less risky?

Depends what you view as realistic.

Stephen Robinson for me is a realistic appointment who is less risky. But the club don’t want to pay compensation so they’ve essentially ruled him out.

Is Deila realistic? Honestly I have no idea if he’d want to come or we could even afford him.

[GreenGray]

Depends what you view as realistic.

Stephen Robinson for me is a realistic appointment who is less risky. But the club don’t want to pay compensation so they’ve essentially ruled him out.

Is Deila realistic? Honestly I have no idea if he’d want to come or we could even afford him.

I genuinely think Gray is the least risky appointment we could realistically make.

Part of that is due to the mess the club find themselves in, but we are where we are.

Delia is one of the few people mentioned who, other than Gray, I would be happy with.

Just think we are desperate for someone who has experience up here, it’s clearly vital to be at least semi-successful.


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[Jones28]

We back on the Jack Ross debate, again?

Was he the first to wear one of those jackets that seem so popular now with the wee sun looking thing on the arms?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Was he the first to wear one of those jackets that seem so popular now with the wee sun looking thing on the arms?

They were everywhere when he was here. He was a sheep. :agree:

[Springbank]

It has to be Ronnie Deila for me

[Hibernian Verse]

Was he the first to wear one of those jackets that seem so popular now with the wee sun looking thing on the arms?

Sandbanks. You get 50% off in the summer usually :wink:

[JimBHibees]

Depends what you view as realistic.

Stephen Robinson for me is a realistic appointment who is less risky. But the club don’t want to pay compensation so they’ve essentially ruled him out.

Is Deila realistic? Honestly I have no idea if he’d want to come or we could even afford him.

Agree Robinson would have been a realistic appointment

[Since452]

I hope our next manager is a stylish as Ross. The beige trench coat Lee Johnson wore and the green jumper favored by Montgomery just didn't cut the mustard. I've been absolutely appalled by some of our recent managers clobber. Just not having it.

[Unseen work]

I hope our next manager is a stylish as Ross. The beige trench coat Lee Johnson wore and the green jumper favored by Montgomery just didn't cut the mustard. I've been absolutely appalled by some of our recent managers clobber. Just not having it.

Must admit I’ve quite liked SDG wearing the Hibs ‘bomber’ jacket during games.

[Donegal Hibby]

It has to be Ronnie Deila for me

I'd like him too though don't know if we could afford him tbh . Besides that I think of the other names mentioned on here Grays about the best option that's left .

[04Sauzee]

Depends what you view as realistic.

Stephen Robinson for me is a realistic appointment who is less risky. But the club don’t want to pay compensation so they’ve essentially ruled him out.

Is Deila realistic? Honestly I have no idea if he’d want to come or we could even afford him.

Do we not want to pay compensation? Or do we not want to have a protracted haggle over compensation.

[I'm Spartacus]

Horse ****

Hearts fans were calling for Naismiths head as recently as Christmas

And if that was us would we have pulled the trigger?

Carlo Anchelotti at Everton is a prime example of how the structure above the manager needs to be right, you might just have the right man for the job all along.

Ben K still taking a salary is the biggest scandal at Hibernian FC for as long as I can remember.

[JimBHibees]

And if that was us would we have pulled the trigger?

Carlo Anchelotti at Everton is a prime example of how the structure above the manager needs to be right, you might just have the right man for the job all along.

Ben K still taking a salary is the biggest scandal at Hibernian FC for as long as I can remember.

Really do struggle with the extreme criticism Kensell gets. Seems a bit unfair.

[NC1875]

Genuinely cannot believe the amount of people saying Gray is the least risky appointment.

Of all the coaches/managers in the world, David gray is the most suitable candidate ? and was in the building all along.

We are getting to Hearts levels of comedy.

[CockneyRebel]

Depends what you view as realistic.

Stephen Robinson for me is a realistic appointment who is less risky. But the club don’t want to pay compensation so they’ve essentially ruled him out.

Is Deila realistic? Honestly I have no idea if he’d want to come or we could even afford him.


Said where? By whom? Media fairy tales so far - nothing from the club.

[Unseen work]

Said where? By whom? Media fairy tales so far - nothing from the club.

Well in that case everyone should stop debating managers, players etc as the club haven’t said anything 👍🏻

[Murphys Touch]

I will get right behind him if it is him that's appointed, although what i will say before anyone is given the job is if it is Gray, then we've not approached anyone with any decent credentials for the job who wanted it.

Gray would not get a job at any other club in our league as manager, although he has some things going for him, a club our size should be appointing someone better qualified than Gray.

Although that's not to say Gray wont be a success, but we should be trying to minimize the risk in my opinion.

I think it is this in a nutshell.

Will we back SDG if he gets the job - of course we will

But

Two months ago we were told that there was going to be a review of the whole football strategy and side of the business. If you are telling me that the end of that review means we sack a guy and replace him with the dude organising the set pieces then it should have been done earlier.

If you’re telling me that this review has extended a number of months and we’ve spoken to x amount of candidates and SDG is the best we can get then fair enough. From the outside it doesn’t look like that’s the process that’s been followed therefore making a mockery of the former point above

[TrinityHFC]

Genuinely cannot believe the amount of people saying Gray is the least risky appointment.

Of all the coaches/managers in the world, David gray is the most suitable candidate ? and was in the building all along.

We are getting to Hearts levels of comedy.

The team who walked third place. I’d be happy with that level of comedy to be fair.

[Dashing Bob S]

The problem with having an 'integrated strategic vision' is that it doesn't guarantee you'll make a successful one-off appointment. I think right now, our board could entice Ferguson out of retirement and we'd be fearful that he was finished and that we'd made a big mistake.

[ChuckNor]

And if that was us would we have pulled the trigger?

Carlo Anchelotti at Everton is a prime example of how the structure above the manager needs to be right, you might just have the right man for the job all along.

Ben K still taking a salary is the biggest scandal at Hibernian FC for as long as I can remember.

Totally agree on your last point. A CEO on full wage but been banished from making football decisions because they’ve all been so poor. He shouldn’t be at the club.

[Garymcl]

I see what nc1875 is getting at remember a few years ago when hearts were in disarray had went through several managers like us just now and were made clear to get it right and appoint a top manager many big names were flouted and I for one was worried they were going to get a brilliant manager because they took 6 weeks only to appoint Levein from within

[Brightside]

Totally agree on your last point. A CEO on full wage but been banished from making football decisions because they’ve all been so poor. He shouldn’t be at the club.

He just brought in £6m investment. Some call to sack someone who has brought in so much cash. The Board rave about him.

[NC1875]

The team who walked third place. I’d be happy with that level of comedy to be fair.

Think you’ve missed the point.

[Donegal Hibby]

Ben K still taking a salary is the biggest scandal at Hibernian FC for as long as I can remember.

Been unprofessional now on a couple of occasions . Part of the problem alright.

[Jones28]

Been unprofessional now on a couple of occasions . Part of the problem alright.

Part of the problem in certain departments.

Commercially he's been a real success story.

[Gatecrasher]

It has to be Ronnie Deila for me

I think he'd be decent as well. He's done decent enough most clubs he's been with. I think he got off to a rocky start at celtic but I think he won them over. It was his European record that done him.

[Leitherhibs]

Keep reading that Kensell has made us a success story commercially, turnover is up yes, but so is expenditure. We reported a fairly sizeable loss just a few months ago. That isn't commercial success.

[Greenworld]

He just brought in £6m investment. Some call to sack someone who has brought in so much cash. The Board rave about him.Exactly he is very good at commercial side of things . It is no disgrace to bring in someone on the football side and makes total sense.
I think people need to back off Ben yes he is payed well but he brings in record amounts of money to the club just like he did at his previous clubs

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[CallumLaidlaw]

Keep reading that Kensell has made us a success story commercially, turnover is up yes, but so is expenditure. We reported a fairly sizeable loss just a few months ago. That isn't commercial success.

As a football team, don’t you increase your turnover so you can increase your expenditure?


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[CapitalGreen]

Keep reading that Kensell has made us a success story commercially, turnover is up yes, but so is expenditure. We reported a fairly sizeable loss just a few months ago. That isn't commercial success.

What is the point of increasing turnover if not to allow for increased expenditure?

[Vini1875]

He just brought in £6m investment. Some call to sack someone who has brought in so much cash. The Board rave about him.

I think a lot of people are confused about Ben Kensall and I wonder if its his personality more than anything that puts people off. Business wise he seems to be doing a fairly good job, but in football terms we are poor. Getting BK in may help to stabalise our football strategy rather than keeping hoping for the best, like a gambler throwing pound coins into a puggy machine. I think the board have seen this and are trying to resolve the issues by getting football people into decision making roles, still no guarantee that it will be successful. You have to imagine that Pinto, Malky Mackay, Brian McDermott and David Gray at least speak the same language and can see what is needed on the football side, which is what most of us are primarily interested in.

[TrinityHFC]

Think you’ve missed the point.

What was the point? That previously they’ve appointed from within after a process?

Appointing from within isn’t particularly unusual or amusing. We’ve got a live example where it has worked really well for them.

[WestStandWillie]

:tumble::tumble::tumble:

No kit news
No retained list

Would take any kind of manager update before the Euros start :rolleyes:

[JohnM1875]

:tumble::tumble::tumble:

No kit news
No retained list

Would take any kind of manager update before the Euros start :rolleyes:

Genuinely surprised there’s been nothing. Not even a more recent news story saying interviews complete and an announcement in the coming days.

What the **** is going on?

[Lago]

Don't worry, we'll talk about Lenny etc soon.
And Maloney who seems to be doing reasonably well at Wigan :cb

[bingo70]

Genuinely surprised there’s been nothing. Not even a more recent news story saying interviews complete and an announcement in the coming days.

What the **** is going on?

Brian McDermott involved in the recruitment process I wonder? Would be good to get some sort of proper update about him as well.

[Leitherhibs]

As a football team, don’t you increase your turnover so you can increase your expenditure?


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Well, yes. But our income hasn't shifted in line with that has it? Our income YoY will need to jump significantly to keep up with our spending, which it won't because of a lack of 'footballing success'.

[GreenGray]

Genuinely cannot believe the amount of people saying Gray is the least risky appointment.

Of all the coaches/managers in the world, David gray is the most suitable candidate ? and was in the building all along.

We are getting to Hearts levels of comedy.

We can't appoint any coach in the world though can we? Context is important.

[I'm Spartacus]

He just brought in £6m investment. Some call to sack someone who has brought in so much cash. The Board rave about him.

Ben K didn't bring in £6M investment, that £6M investment to came to the club.

[JohnM1875]

Brian McDermott involved in the recruitment process I wonder? Would be good to get some sort of proper update about him as well.

Good point and have to be honest I’d completely forgot all about McDermott. Not for the first time.

[NC1875]

We can't appoint any coach in the world though can we? Context is important.

Context is important. All those other football clubs that appoint managers from all over the world. But we can’t do it ? Or because the last one failed we have to appoint from within ?

I’m hoping the club are keeping things very quiet and there are candidates that we aren’t hearing about, because as it stands. The options are disappointing given the state we are in. A rookie manager is not what we need.

[Heisenberg]

Genuinely surprised there’s been nothing. Not even a more recent news story saying interviews complete and an announcement in the coming days.

What the **** is going on?

I was sure it would all be lined up and announced right after if not on the 1st, surely can’t drag on past this week.

[Mcbizz1998]

Genuinely surprised there’s been nothing. Not even a more recent news story saying interviews complete and an announcement in the coming days.

What the **** is going on?

Possibly just that SDG is on holiday and there won't be an announcement until he is back?

[PHeffernan]

Possibly just that SDG is on holiday and there won't be an announcement until he is back?

Is the correct answer

[JohnM1875]

Possibly just that SDG is on holiday and there won't be an announcement until he is back?

Could well be, but that’s not good enough to be honest. Get it announced. Doesn’t need to be paired with an interview. That can wait.

[Saint Hibee]

Good point and have to be honest I’d completely forgot all about McDermott. Not for the first time.

I didn't realise that McDermott was still at Hibs; I got it in my head that he'd left. What exactly will his role be once Mackay and the new manager are in place?