Managerial Sack Race

[Paulie Walnuts]

So you think he needs a couple of new players to achieve top 6 but without them he should be sacked if we don't get them and finish in the bottom 6? Mind of a genius there.

I’m not sure it’s that hard to understand.

I think we should be getting top 6 with the squad we have. I don’t think we’ll get it with NM though at this point in time.

If he got a couple starting 11 standard players in though then I think we’d have a chance. Essentially, I think he could underperform a top 4 level side into the top 6, but as it stands currently I think he’ll underperform a top 6 level side into the bottom 6.

[Rumble de Thump]

lol no. i just said he SHOULDN'T be.

I hope nobody is calling you a Jambo.

[eastmainsmsh]

Good player LB versatile solid and a good coach regarded highly at Sheffield wed Ayr are a basket case

[xbar81]

I hope nobody is calling you a Jambo.


ah canny win :grr:

[truehibernian]

Good player LB versatile solid and a good coach regarded highly at Sheffield wed Ayr are a basket case

Played as a centre forward all his youth days too - as you say, very versatile defender and he captained Sheff Wed and went onto their coaching and management team. Much better full back than a striker mind 😀

[Northernhibee]

I’m actually surprised there is a thread given how niche a concept it apparently is.

Will any manager ever want to take the Ayr job ever again after this? Basket case, poison chalice, their fans get what they deserve, if anyone is looking to invest in Ayr they should look elsewhere etc.

I wonder if he was sacked because he lost two games in a row and some “fans” got their knickers in a twist and made it their sole mission to keep speculating about the managers job as a result.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I wonder if he was sacked because he lost two games in a row and some “fans” got their knickers in a twist and made it their sole mission to keep speculating about the managers job as a result.

If people’s opinions were based solely on 2 results then you’d have a point. It’s not the case though.

I’ve also not seen anybody saying he should be sacked at this point either.

[Posh Swanny]

I wonder if he was sacked because he lost two games in a row and some “fans” got their knickers in a twist and made it their sole mission to keep speculating about the managers job as a result.

Most of those knickers were well and truly twisted weeks before Mongomery was even appointed. You could see early doors that two or three posters had set their stall out, and the Hibs roller coaster has now reached a point where some are calling for the manager's head if our current run of three games without a win stretches to four. People really do take football far too seriously. :rolleyes:

[Northernhibee]

If people’s opinions were based solely on 2 results then you’d have a point. It’s not the case though.

I’ve also not seen anybody saying he should be sacked at this point either.

No, some tedious people can’t help to infer that his coat may be on a shoogly peg over and over and over if we concede as much as the coin toss.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No, some tedious people can’t help to infer that his coat may be on a shoogly peg over and over and over if we concede as much as the coin toss.

He’s got a very similar record to Maloney who we sacked after roughly the same amount of games. Based on the historical evidence we have available, his coat is absolutely approaching shoogly peg territory whether you think it should be the case or not.

You can infer it’s not all you want. This board have shown their approach to bad runs of form numerous times now.

[Aldo]

If people’s opinions were based solely on 2 results then you’d have a point. It’s not the case though.

I’ve also not seen anybody saying he should be sacked at this point either.


If people’s opinions were based solely on 2 results then you’d have a point. It’s not the case though.

I’ve also not seen anybody saying he should be sacked at this point either.

No but there are posters who didn’t want him and still don’t want him.

IIRC you are of the opinion that he doesn’t have a future if results continue to be poor for the foreseeable! You said it would be suicidal!

So the cycle continues!

Stability is needed and a bit of patience, allow him and the club to identify and bring in players that will improve us.

It’s clear the players aren’t very good and our previous recruitment was rubbish!

We will be right back where we were a few months ago. Same players, different manager blah blah!

[Paulie Walnuts]

No but there are posters who didn’t want him and still don’t want him.

IIRC you are of the opinion that he doesn’t have a future if results continue to be poor for the foreseeable! You said it would be suicidal!

So the cycle continues!

Stability is needed and a bit of patience, allow him and the club to identify and bring in players that will improve us.

It’s clear the players aren’t very good and our previous recruitment was rubbish!

We will be right back where we were a few months ago. Same players, different manager blah blah!

Of course he doesn’t have a future if results remain poor for the foreseeable. That’s the case at every club.

And stability isn’t achieved by watching someone who continuously delivers poor results just being left to keep doing that. That causes chaos.

[Aldo]

Of course he doesn’t have a future if results remain poor for the foreseeable. That’s the case at every club.

I’m not bothered about other clubs tbh I’m thinking of us as a club.

We won’t lose to Forfar but the run of results are difficult. So we go into Feb and results not great you think he should be sacked?

Just my opinion mind but no one is doing anything with the players we have!

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’m not bothered about other clubs tbh I’m thinking of us as a club.

We won’t lose to Forfar but the run of results are difficult. So we go into Feb and results not great you think he should be sacked?

Just my opinion mind but no one is doing anything with the players we have!

If we miss out on the top 6 he should absolutely be sacked imo. Top 6 last season required 44 points so we need 19 to match that from 13 games. You might get away with about 40 points which would be 15 from 13. 19 points from 13 games should be more than achievable.

Stability isn’t achieved by performing well below expectations. If we fail to make top 6 he deserves a huge portion of the blame for rigidly sticking to a formation which blunts all our best players and refusing to stray from it.

You’re entitled to your opinion of course. I personally think failure to make top 6 should and will see him sacked. Our board have shown that they won’t accept failure and have sacked pretty much every one of our previous managers whilst they’ve been here for less.

[Smartie]

I think talk of sacking Montgomery should be nonsense but the point that Hibs have made a rod for their own backs with the criteria that have led to the sackings of our last 3 managers is a fair one. If you sack Ross when he has a grim run of form after getting a 3rd place finish and to a bunch of cup finals, if you chop Maloney for not getting top 6 and losing a cup semi final before he had any real chance to get his own players in and if you bin Johnson 3 league games into a season whilst a vital transfer window is still open... then why do you spare someone who may have any combination of these features coupled with the very valid "inflexible tactics that do not appear to be able to get the best out of a squad of players who it could be argued are capable of getting better results than they have" criticism?

[B.H.F.C]

He’s got a very similar record to Maloney who we sacked after roughly the same amount of games. Based on the historical evidence we have available, his coat is absolutely approaching shoogly peg territory whether you think it should be the case or not.

You can infer it’s not all you want. This board have shown their approach to bad runs of form numerous times now.

He’s closer to Jack Ross than he is Maloney at this point in time, and better than Johnson. 22 points from 16 league games. Ross had 25 from 16. Maloney managed 15 points from 15 games in the league.

All three got us to a semi final which we lost as well.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think talk of sacking Montgomery should be nonsense but the point that Hibs have made a rod for their own backs with the criteria that have led to the sackings of our last 3 managers is a fair one. If you sack Ross when he has a grim run of form after getting a 3rd place finish and to a bunch of cup finals, if you chop Maloney for not getting top 6 and losing a cup semi final before he had any real chance to get his own players in and if you bin Johnson 3 league games into a season whilst a vital transfer window is still open... then why do you spare someone who may have any combination of these features coupled with the very valid "inflexible tactics that do not appear to be able to get the best out of a squad of players who it could be argued are capable of getting better results than they have" criticism?

:agree:

I think folk are kidding themselves on if they think the club are suddenly going to change their approach. They apparently felt they pulled the trigger to early on JR and have went on to sack two further managers pretty quickly so it’s unlikely they’re going to be changing their approach imo.

Our next 5 games are Rangers at home, Killie away, St Mirren at home, Celtic at home and Aberdeen away. They games will go a long way to deciding whether he’ll be here next season imo.

[JohnM1875]

:agree:

I think folk are kidding themselves on if they think the club are suddenly going to change their approach. They apparently felt they pulled the trigger to early on JR and have went on to sack two further managers pretty quickly so it’s unlikely they’re going to be changing their approach imo.

They've clearly changed their approach after Maloney. No chance LJ would have seen out last January if the approach hasn't been changed.

[Aldo]

If we miss out on the top 6 he should absolutely be sacked imo. Top 6 last season required 44 points so we need 19 to match that from 13 games. You might get away with about 40 points which would be 15 from 13. 19 points from 13 games should be more than achievable.

Stability isn’t achieved by performing well below expectations. If we fail to make top 6 he deserves a huge portion of the blame for rigidly sticking to a formation which blunts all our best players and refusing to stray from it.

You’re entitled to your opinion of course. I personally think failure to make top 6 should and will see him sacked. Our board have shown that they won’t accept failure and have sacked pretty much every one of our previous managers whilst they’ve been here for less.

Neither does changing managers every few months.

Ah was waiting on the formation to take the blame. Having watched them, as you and many others have so far this season, they have all been pretty poor and playing way below the standard required. Most cannot even pass a ball 10 yards. They should be able to adapt and I don’t think it would matter where they played we’d still be in the same position. They are professionals yet are not able to performance their job very well at time.

They are the common denominator in all this.

I know the board don’t/wont accept failure but they need to back him with a few better players.
I expect him to be here at the start of next season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Neither does changing managers every few months.

Ah was waiting on the formation to take the blame. Having watched them, as you and many others have so far this season, they have all been pretty poor and playing way below the standard required. Most cannot even pass a ball 10 yards. They should be able to adapt and I don’t think it would matter where they played we’d still be in the same position. They are professionals yet are not able to performance their job very well at time.

They are the common denominator in all this.

I know the board don’t/wont accept failure but they need to back him with a few better players.
I expect him to be here at the start of next season.

Are they the common denominator though?

We play almost the same team every week. From that team, Miller and Tavares hardly played last season, Obita, Vente and Levitt are new signings and I think most would agree Marshall has done fairly well for him whilst Newell and Fish are the least of his problems. That’s the majority of a team who either haven’t contributed to managers getting sacked or are performing to a decent enough level yet we read that this squad keeps getting managers sacked.

There’s a reason the formation keeps taking the blame. Its not working.

I’m not sure it’s particularly fair to say they should just be able to adapt. Vente scored a bucket load of goals last season yet we use him in a completely different role. His heat map is all in our centre circle where as last season it was mainly in the opponents 18 yard box. Joe Newell is playing in a midfield that is outnumbered every week alongside a guy who is so immobile it’s frightening, yet we persist with it. Rather than saying they need to adapt, maybe the manager needs to adapt, something he’s proven completely incapable of doing so far? He’s asking all our best players to play roles that absolutely don’t suit them because this is the only system he appears to know.

Signing a guy that scored 49 goals in 92 games and then claiming it’s him that needs to adapt to a role where he never sees the ball in the box is absolutely nuts to me. Having two wingers who are two of the most impactful in the league and playing one of them upfront and having the other one playing so deep that he’s got to cover about 50 yards to do anything is nuts to me. Having one of the best centre mids outside the Old Firm and leaving him outnumbered in the midfield every week is nuts to me. These guys shouldn’t have to adapt. They should be used to their full potential and to do that it’s the manager that has to adapt.

I’m not going to argue that the board need go back him with better players. That could be levelled at our last 4 managers though and they’ve still sacked them so I very much doubt that’ll save him.

[Victor]

No but there are posters who didn’t want him and still don’t want him.

IIRC you are of the opinion that he doesn’t have a future if results continue to be poor for the foreseeable! You said it would be suicidal!

So the cycle continues!

Stability is needed and a bit of patience, allow him and the club to identify and bring in players that will improve us.

It’s clear the players aren’t very good and our previous recruitment was rubbish!

We will be right back where we were a few months ago. Same players, different manager blah blah!

At the home game against Kilmarnock I sat along from three clowns who shouted abuse at Montgomery throughout the whole match. Constantly shouting that he didn’t know what he was doing, despite the fact that we won the match. I suppose that they were atypical of the ‘supporters’ who didn’t want him as manager. You really have to question the mentality of people who cannot cope with not getting their own way and then try to undermine the chosen option. Trumpesque behaviour.

[Aldo]

Are they the common denominator though?

We play almost the same team every week. From that team, Miller and Tavares hardly played last season, Obita, Vente and Levitt are new signings and I think most would agree Marshall has done fairly well for him whilst Newell and Fish are the least of his problems. That’s the majority of a team who either haven’t contributed to managers getting sacked or are performing to a decent enough level yet we read that this squad keeps getting managers sacked.

There’s a reason the formation keeps taking the blame. Its not working.

I’m not sure it’s particularly fair to say they should just be able to adapt. Vente scored a bucket load of goals last season yet we use him in a completely different role. His heat map is all in our centre circle where as last season it was mainly in the opponents 18 yard box. Joe Newell is playing in a midfield that is outnumbered every week alongside a guy who is so immobile it’s frightening, yet we persist with it. Rather than saying they need to adapt, maybe the manager needs to adapt, something he’s proven completely incapable of doing so far? He’s asking all our best players to play roles that absolutely don’t suit them because this is the only system he appears to know.

Sorry but Miller, Marshall, Fish, Newell, Rocky, Hanlon, Lewis, Levitt, Boyle, Yoann, Vente and others have all been slated and poor at one point or another.

Barring Marshall every single player that played against St J was utterly woeful and that was nothing to do with formation.

We have had plenty injuries and they’ve not helped but I believe we need better players or ones who can do the basics ie pass a ball 10 yards.

So you think it’s down to the formation and the managers inability to change things and not the players.

Think we will have to agree to disagree

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sorry but Miller, Marshall, Fish, Newell, Rocky, Hanlon, Lewis, Levitt, Boyle, Yoann, Vente and others have all been slated and poor at one point or another.

Barring Marshall every single player that played against St J was utterly woeful and that was nothing to do with formation.

We have had plenty injuries and they’ve not helped but I believe we need better players or ones who can do the basics ie pass a ball 10 yards.

So you think it’s down to the formation and the managers inability to change things and not the players.

Think we will have to agree to disagree

I think it’s down to both. I think the squad is fairly average with a huge disparity in quality - we go from guys like Vente, Youan, Boyle, Newell, Fish who would all play most weeks at all non Old Firm teams imo. Problem is we then drop in quality to guys like Rocky, Levitt etc who wouldn’t get into a lot of teams. I think it’s a better than what we’re seeing though and a lot of that is down to the fact that the better players listed aren’t being utilised to the best of their ability. And that’s on the manager to adapt to suit the better players, not on the better players to reinvent themselves imo.

[Northernhibee]

He’s got a very similar record to Maloney who we sacked after roughly the same amount of games. Based on the historical evidence we have available, his coat is absolutely approaching shoogly peg territory whether you think it should be the case or not.

You can infer it’s not all you want. This board have shown their approach to bad runs of form numerous times now.

Maloney got sacked for a lot more than losing two games. We’re genuinely not far off of “winner stays on” in the managers seat with some fans. Sheer entitlement.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Maloney got sacked for a lot more than losing two games. We’re genuinely not far off of “winner stays on” in the managers seat with some fans. Sheer entitlement.

Are you blissfully unaware of the fact that NM has actually lost more than two games? :confused:

NM won’t be sacked for losing 2 games. So you don’t need to keep getting yourself worked up into a frenzy about it.

And for all the ‘winner stays on’ chat, our last manager lasted over a season. Kind of blows the whole theory out the water.

Out of interest, why do you think our board are going to treat NM differently to all the previous managers we’ve had? Your insistent that his coat isn’t close to being on a shoogly peg yet he’s on a bad run of form, something which has very quickly seen our last 3 managers lose their jobs.

I do also find it funny that for all your criticism of fans who aren’t all that impressed by the manager, you were wanting Shaun Maloney sacked with a not too dissimilar record to NM after a similar amount of games and with a much poorer squad. Infact you wanted him gone at the start of February according to your posts. Entitlement.. how ironic.

[Smartie]

Maloney got sacked for a lot more than losing two games. We’re genuinely not far off of “winner stays on” in the managers seat with some fans. Sheer entitlement.

There will always be fans like that.

My concern is that it's reflected to an extent with the people making the decisions, which is problematic when a wee bit of disquiet rears it's head.

[Paulie Walnuts]

There will always be fans like that.

My concern is that it's reflected to an extent with the people making the decisions, which is problematic when a wee bit of disquiet rears it's head.

There was loads of people calling for LJ to be sacked this time last year when we lost 2 derbies in quick succession. They done nothing.

I very much doubt the board are going to succumb to the pressure of the fans prematurely.

[Billy Whizz]

I thought this was a thread about other teams managers being sacked

[Northernhibee]

There will always be fans like that.

My concern is that it's reflected to an extent with the people making the decisions, which is problematic when a wee bit of disquiet rears it's head.

I have massive concerns that the people with seemingly the most influence at the club also seeming to have absolutely atrocious judgment in terms of the football side of things too. I’d like to think our DoF has a huge amount of autonomy over the football side of things but don’t understand what our strategy to improve the squad is.

Since Mathie, Dempster, and dare I say it Rod Petrie have left we’ve peaked at a third placed finish, then on the footballing side made awful decision after awful decision after awful decision. Look at the state of our squad and some of the utter dross we’ve spent money on, hoping they’d be superstars or worthwhile projects.


These are far bigger bones of contention with me than the manager as if the budget isn’t there to make major alterations to the squad in this window, we need to ask why that’s the case. Guardiola wouldn’t have this team firing on all cylinders, it’s got both a lack of depth and far too many people in the playing department who are nowhere near the quality required for a club like Hibs.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He’s closer to Jack Ross than he is Maloney at this point in time, and better than Johnson. 22 points from 16 league games. Ross had 25 from 16. Maloney managed 15 points from 15 games in the league.

All three got us to a semi final which we lost as well.

Sorry BHFC, just saw this.

If you only consider league games then yeah, there’s a difference. Their overall records in all comps aren’t massively different though. Maloney had a decent cup record overcoming Cove at home and then two tricky ties so it isn’t really fair to just wipe that out.

Maloney had a 32% win record, NM has 33%. He’s managed to get a couple more draws than Maloney, but other than that, it’s not vastly different in all comps. NM a -1 goal difference overall, Maloney -2 overall, neither managing to beat Hearts etc. I’d also argue NM has a significantly better squad available to him. They being said, I thought it was time for SM to go when he did. I don’t think it’s time for NM yet but I can’t see our board changing the way they define success considering the money we’re spending nowadays. If he falls short in a similar vain to Maloney, such as missing out on top 6 - and keep in mind Maloney only missed out by a Melkersen sitter, so it’s not like he didn’t come close - then I’d be very surprised if he is here next season. And I don’t think he could have many complaints.

[The Modfather]

If we miss out on the top 6 he should absolutely be sacked imo. Top 6 last season required 44 points so we need 19 to match that from 13 games. You might get away with about 40 points which would be 15 from 13. 19 points from 13 games should be more than achievable.

Stability isn’t achieved by performing well below expectations. If we fail to make top 6 he deserves a huge portion of the blame for rigidly sticking to a formation which blunts all our best players and refusing to stray from it.

You’re entitled to your opinion of course. I personally think failure to make top 6 should and will see him sacked. Our board have shown that they won’t accept failure and have sacked pretty much every one of our previous managers whilst they’ve been here for less.

We fell over the line into the top 6 last season, watching other results on the last day before the split and hoping. That’s the squad in a nutshell, bottom 6 on a bad day, like two seasons ago, top 6 on a good day, like last season.

It’s a squad fit for mid table dross and as such as capable of bottom 6 as top 6. Montgomery leading Hibs to top six or bottom 6 doesn’t change that fact IMO. It’s a squad that seems to manage to survive no matter how many managers it gets the sack.

[ChilliEater]

Are you blissfully unaware of the fact that NM has actually lost more than two games? :confused:

NM won’t be sacked for losing 2 games. So you don’t need to keep getting yourself worked up into a frenzy about it.

And for all the ‘winner stays on’ chat, our last manager lasted over a season. Kind of blows the whole theory out the water.

Out of interest, why do you think our board are going to treat NM differently to all the previous managers we’ve had? Your insistent that his coat isn’t close to being on a shoogly peg yet he’s on a bad run of form, something which has very quickly seen our last 3 managers lose their jobs.

I do also find it funny that for all your criticism of fans who aren’t all that impressed by the manager, you were wanting Shaun Maloney sacked with a not too dissimilar record to NM after a similar amount of games and with a much poorer squad. Infact you wanted him gone at the start of February according to your posts. Entitlement.. how ironic.

So which is it?

[Paulie Walnuts]

We fell over the line into the top 6 last season, watching other results on the last day before the split and hoping. That’s the squad in a nutshell, bottom 6 on a bad day, like two seasons ago, top 6 on a good day, like last season.

It’s a squad fit for mid table dross and as such as capable of bottom 6 as top 6. Montgomery leading Hibs to top six or bottom 6 doesn’t change that fact IMO. It’s a squad that seems to manage to survive no matter how many managers it gets the sack.

For a Hibs squad, I don’t think it’s great. I think it’s significantly better than everyone outside the OF, Hearts and Aberdeen though.

The last 2 managers have been failures. Matching what they managed to do shouldn’t be considered to be good enough.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So which is it?

It’s both.

LJ was there over season. LJ was also on a short, terrible run of league form and was bulleted. Our board have shown on numerous occasions now that they’re more than happy to pull the trigger. I’m surprised so many people seem to think they won’t do the same with NM if it gets to that stage. All the evidence would suggest they won’t hesitate. They didn’t with JR, they didn’t with Maloney and they didn’t really with LJ (although you could potentially argue they could have sacked him this time last year).

[GloryGlory]

Mourinho sacked by AS Roma!

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1747173844148703278

[B.H.F.C]

Mourinho sacked by AS Roma!

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1747173844148703278

No longer one of the elite managers. Saudi, the MLS or something like that will be his next stop I’d imagine. Or maybe an international job.

[ChilliEater]

It’s both.

LJ was there over season. LJ was also on a short, terrible run of league form and was bulleted. Our board have shown on numerous occasions now that they’re more than happy to pull the trigger. I’m surprised so many people seem to think they won’t do the same with NM if it gets to that stage. All the evidence would suggest they won’t hesitate. They didn’t with JR, they didn’t with Maloney and they didn’t really with LJ (although you could potentially argue they could have sacked him this time last year).

Damn - so we give them too long and we sack them too quickly? What a shambles. Nobody at the club has a clue what their doing.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Mourinho sacked by AS Roma!

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1747173844148703278

Has been coming, Saudi's will want a "big name" in at Newcastle at some point...

[Paulie Walnuts]

Damn - so we give them too long and we sack them too quickly? What a shambles. Nobody at the club has a clue what their doing.

Who said we give anyone too long? Or that we sack them too quickly? :confused:

I reckon we’ve got rid of managers at fairly reasonable points so far. I’m not criticising the board in terms of how they deal with poor runs of form. I personally think getting rid of every one of the managers has been the right call. My criticism of the board in terms of our managers is appointing them in the first place.

[Since452]

Who said we give anyone too long? Or that we sack them too quickly? :confused:

I reckon we’ve got rid of managers at fairly reasonable points so far. I’m not criticising the board in terms of how they deal with poor runs of form. I personally think getting rid of every one of the managers has been the right call. My criticism of the board in terms of our managers is appointing them in the first place.

I agree that the club don't hang about with managers. I think that LJ would have been gone if we'd lost El Sackio against Aberdeen last season. We ended up winning 6-0, managed to ship a lot of the dead wood out in January and then had a very promising second half of the season with some astute signings and in my opinion were unlucky not to finish 3rd. The three league games this season killed him but think his card was already marked.

Maloney way just way out of his depth and the club acted swiftly, rightfully. Montgomery has a very similar record to Maloney though. Forfar is absolutely huge for him. We should have enough quality to get through. If we don't then it'll be down to tactics or attitude and i'd be amazed if he survived, especially with Foley coming in. He'll want assurances that the players we potentially get will improve. The problem for me isn't the managers though. It's the people continually hiring the wrong ones.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I agree that the club don't hang about with managers. I think that LJ would have been gone if we'd lost El Sackio against Aberdeen last season. We ended up winning 6-0, managed to ship a lot of the dead wood out in January and then had a very promising second half of the season and in my opinion were unlucky not to finish 3rd. The three league games this season killed him but think his card was already marked.

Maloney way just way out of his depth and the club acted swiftly, rightfully. Montgomery has a very similar record to Maloney though. Forfar is absolutely huge for him. We should have enough quality to get through. If we don't then it'll be down to tactics or attitude and i'd be amazed if he survived. The problem for me isn't the managers though. It's the people continually hiring the wrong ones.

I’m yet to see anybody put forward a reasoned argument for why NM won’t be approaching coat on shoogly peg territory. Some posters are getting themselves all worked up about it but all the evidence we have of how this board deals with this sort of thing suggests that’s exactly where we’ll be getting into if he can’t arrest the slide once we come back from the break.

Folk can claim he shouldn’t be all they want, and if that’s what they think that’s absolutely fine. History would suggest though that our board, the people who actually make the decision, won’t be as accommodating though. They haven’t been with the previous 3 managers, posters thinking that they’re going to treat NM any differently just because they like him is pretty delusional imo.

[Since452]

I’m yet to see anybody put forward a reasoned argument for why NM won’t be approaching coat on shoogly peg territory. Some posters are getting themselves all worked up about it but all the evidence we have of how this board deals with this sort of thing suggests that’s exactly where we’ll be getting into if he can’t arrest the slide once we come back from the break.

Folk can claim he shouldn’t be all they want, and if that’s what they think that’s absolutely fine. History would suggest though that our board, the people who actually make the decision, won’t be as accommodating though. They haven’t been with the previous 3 managers, thinking that they’re going to treat NM any differently just because some posters like him is pretty delusional imo.

Completely agree. I thought that Kensell might give LJ more time as ultimately it looks bad on him if he's sacking another manager he hired but that wasn't the case. See no reason why Montgomery will be treated differently. If Montgomery is punted though Kensell shouldn't be anywhere near the recruitment process for the next guy. His track record so far is absolutley shocking. Even if he's not directly hiring them he's still signing off on it the finger will always be pointed at him. Ian Gordon too.

[One Day Soon]

I agree that the club don't hang about with managers. I think that LJ would have been gone if we'd lost El Sackio against Aberdeen last season. We ended up winning 6-0, managed to ship a lot of the dead wood out in January and then had a very promising second half of the season with some astute signings and in my opinion were unlucky not to finish 3rd. The three league games this season killed him but think his card was already marked.

Maloney way just way out of his depth and the club acted swiftly, rightfully. Montgomery has a very similar record to Maloney though. Forfar is absolutely huge for him. We should have enough quality to get through. If we don't then it'll be down to tactics or attitude and i'd be amazed if he survived, especially with Foley coming in. He'll want assurances that the players we potentially get will improve. The problem for me isn't the managers though. It's the people continually hiring the wrong ones.


Honestly, if we could sign two quality people to replace the two currently running the club (that's the person with the job title and then the other person actually in control) I'd take that over any new on the field signings in a heartbeat. Without good leadership no institution in any field or organisation fulfills its promise.

[Northernhibee]

Honestly, if we could sign two quality people to replace the two currently running the club (that's the person with the job title and then the other person actually in control) I'd take that over any new on the field signings in a heartbeat. Without good leadership no institution in any field or organisation fulfills its promise.

Completely agree.

[The Modfather]

I’m yet to see anybody put forward a reasoned argument for why NM won’t be approaching coat on shoogly peg territory. Some posters are getting themselves all worked up about it but all the evidence we have of how this board deals with this sort of thing suggests that’s exactly where we’ll be getting into if he can’t arrest the slide once we come back from the break.

Folk can claim he shouldn’t be all they want, and if that’s what they think that’s absolutely fine. History would suggest though that our board, the people who actually make the decision, won’t be as accommodating though. They haven’t been with the previous 3 managers, posters thinking that they’re going to treat NM any differently just because they like him is pretty delusional imo.

I don’t think he will be in danger of the sack as we’re going into the likes of the upcoming Forfar game still without Montgomery having signed a single player. He only has to point to the bench for the whole of his time here, especially the last few games. He’d be as well resigning now if he’s not going to get close to what’s needed this window and his season being judged on JDH, McKirdy & Cadden saving it. JDH & Cadden are on their 4th manager at Hibs!

[Since452]

Honestly, if we could sign two quality people to replace the two currently running the club (that's the person with the job title and then the other person actually in control) I'd take that over any new on the field signings in a heartbeat. Without good leadership no institution in any field or organisation fulfills its promise.

Bang on

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don’t think he will be in danger of the sack as we’re going into the likes of the upcoming Forfar game still without Montgomery having signed a single player. He only has to point to the bench for the whole of his time here, especially the last few games. He’d be as well resigning now if he’s not going to get close to what’s needed this window and his season being judged on JDH, McKirdy & Cadden saving it. JDH & Cadden are on their 4th manager at Hibs!

Jack Ross probably could have pointed to poor transfer business, he could also point to previous success in the role. Maloney could have done the same in terms of transfer business. He could have pointed to the fact he had to go into semi finals against a Hearts side that were by a mile third best in the country with James Scott, Chris Mueller, Ewan Henderson, Sylvester Jasper and a Melkersen who’d hardly played football on grass as his attacking options. Henderson was signed for him and nothing to do with him, likewise Melkersen, likewise Mueller and Scott pre dated him. He could have pointed to the fact that Martin Boyle, was sold almost the minute he got in the door and was pretty much a one man team. They still sacked them though.

I’m not necessarily sitting here debating the rights and wrongs of whether the board should be getting itchy trigger fingers. I’m just merely pointing out that history would suggest that another few bad results in the league and that’s absolutely what will be happening. It’s fanciful to suggest otherwise imo.

[superfurryhibby]

If Hibs collapse in the run of fixtures over the next 5-6 weeks then I think NM will be in danger of losing his job. Given the run of fixtures, it's going to be a very tough ask for this side to stay in touch with the European places.

Most of us thought we had a better squad than results under Johnson in the league suggested this season. Turns out that NM hasn't been able to get too much of a tune from them either. Now were often debating formations and set up etc. I don't think NM has helped himself here at times, but the bottom line is that we have too many players who aren't good enough, no matter how you set them up.

Whatever happens, if NM goes, Kensall should also be under scrutiny. He's presided over an on-going shambles when it comes to recruitment.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If Hibs collapse in the run of fixtures over the next 5-6 weeks then I think NM will be in danger of losing his job. Given the run of fixtures, it's going to be a very tough ask for this side to stay in touch with the European places.

Most of us thought we had a better squad than results under Johnson in the league suggested this season. Turns out that NM hasn't been able to get too much of a tune from them either. Now were often debating formations and set up etc. I don't think NM has helped himself here at times, but the bottom line is that we have too many players who aren't good enough, no matter how you set them up.

Whatever happens, if NM goes, Kensall should also be under scrutiny. He's presided over an on-going shambles when it comes to recruitment.

Agree with your last point. You can’t go appoint 3 crap managers in 2 years (if if comes to pass that NM is sacked) and then get given yet another go

[blackpoolhibs]

I dont think Monty should be sacked until he's managed to give the Newell JDH and Campbell midfield a try.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

I dont think Monty should be sacked until he's managed to give the Newell JDH and Campbell midfield a try.

That’s why he keeps persisting with the 442, to avoid that trap.

[blackpoolhibs]

That’s why he keeps persisting with the 442, to avoid that trap.
:greengrin

[WhileTheChief..]

Honestly, if we could sign two quality people to replace the two currently running the club (that's the person with the job title and then the other person actually in control) I'd take that over any new on the field signings in a heartbeat. Without good leadership no institution in any field or organisation fulfills its promise.

:top marks

Your posts on the subject sum things up perfectly.

We've got fans claiming BK is great at his job because we can make money on guys like Doig or for improving our commercial deals. They're more impressed about us hitting some KPIs than results on the pitch.

They boast about us having great infrasturcure whilst we bob around mid table and think that's success ffs.

We need to start putting the first team first. If BK can't or won't do it, he should leave.

Get someone with some passion for the game and not just concerned about making money. We're going to have plenty money soon anyways :greengrin

[Rumble de Thump]

:top marks

Your posts on the subject sum things up perfectly.

We've got fans claiming BK is great at his job because we can make money on guys like Doig or for improving our commercial deals. They're more impressed about us hitting some KPIs than results on the pitch.

They boast about us having great infrasturcure whilst we bob around mid table and think that's success ffs.

We need to start putting the first team first. If BK can't or won't do it, he should leave.

Get someone with some passion for the game and not just concerned about making money. We're going to have plenty money soon anyways :greengrin

Exactly. The fact we haven't hired a director of football to focus on the football side of things is unbelievable.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Exactly. The fact we haven't hired a director of football to focus on the football side of things is unbelievable.

Brian ****ing McDermott for the umpteenth time

[Rumble de Thump]

Brian ****ing McDermott for the umpteenth time

Yes.

[eastmainsmsh]

SDG to be interviewed for Ayr Job ?

[jacomo]

I’m yet to see anybody put forward a reasoned argument for why NM won’t be approaching coat on shoogly peg territory. Some posters are getting themselves all worked up about it but all the evidence we have of how this board deals with this sort of thing suggests that’s exactly where we’ll be getting into if he can’t arrest the slide once we come back from the break.

Folk can claim he shouldn’t be all they want, and if that’s what they think that’s absolutely fine. History would suggest though that our board, the people who actually make the decision, won’t be as accommodating though. They haven’t been with the previous 3 managers, posters thinking that they’re going to treat NM any differently just because they like him is pretty delusional imo.


Give this a go.

NM is clearly a serious, hard working pro who is putting everything he’s got into the job. He’s a student of the game and he’s got good people around him.

He’s got a very clear idea of how he wants his team to play. He communicates this clearly. He has been open with the fans and consistent from day one - no bs.

He had success with this system in Australia. So far it’s been mixed here, but he came in mid season and it’s quite a lot for the players to take in. But they do seem to have bought into it.

He comes across as honest and determined to me, and as committed to the job as you can be.

We’ve got a newish DoF, questions of ownership, not the ideal environment.

It might work, it might not, but he’s got a plan and deserves time to see it through.

Obviously a terrible run of results will pile the pressure on though.

IMO

[Basildon Hibs]

Are they the common denominator though?

We play almost the same team every week. From that team, Miller and Tavares hardly played last season, Obita, Vente and Levitt are new signings and I think most would agree Marshall has done fairly well for him whilst Newell and Fish are the least of his problems. That’s the majority of a team who either haven’t contributed to managers getting sacked or are performing to a decent enough level yet we read that this squad keeps getting managers sacked.

There’s a reason the formation keeps taking the blame. Its not working.

I’m not sure it’s particularly fair to say they should just be able to adapt. Vente scored a bucket load of goals last season yet we use him in a completely different role. His heat map is all in our centre circle where as last season it was mainly in the opponents 18 yard box. Joe Newell is playing in a midfield that is outnumbered every week alongside a guy who is so immobile it’s frightening, yet we persist with it. Rather than saying they need to adapt, maybe the manager needs to adapt, something he’s proven completely incapable of doing so far? He’s asking all our best players to play roles that absolutely don’t suit them because this is the only system he appears to know.

Signing a guy that scored 49 goals in 92 games and then claiming it’s him that needs to adapt to a role where he never sees the ball in the box is absolutely nuts to me. Having two wingers who are two of the most impactful in the league and playing one of them upfront and having the other one playing so deep that he’s got to cover about 50 yards to do anything is nuts to me. Having one of the best centre mids outside the Old Firm and leaving him outnumbered in the midfield every week is nuts to me. These guys shouldn’t have to adapt. They should be used to their full potential and to do that it’s the manager that has to adapt.

I’m not going to argue that the board need go back him with better players. That could be levelled at our last 4 managers though and they’ve still sacked them so I very much doubt that’ll save him.

👍👍👊

[ChilliEater]

Give this a go.

NM is clearly a serious, hard working pro who is putting everything he’s got into the job. He’s a student of the game and he’s got good people around him.

He’s got a very clear idea of how he wants his team to play. He communicates this clearly. He has been open with the fans and consistent from day one - no bs.

He had success with this system in Australia. So far it’s been mixed here, but he came in mid season and it’s quite a lot for the players to take in. But they do seem to have bought into it.

He comes across as honest and determined to me, and as committed to the job as you can be.

We’ve got a newish DoF, questions of ownership, not the ideal environment.

It might work, it might not, but he’s got a plan and deserves time to see it through.

Obviously a terrible run of results will pile the pressure on though.

IMO

I agree and would also add, also IMHO, with no personal inside info, but based on things in the press as well as various rumours posted on here that:

The previous manager oversaw an unhappy workplace with an approach likely to lead to a toxic environment of uncertainty and mistrust.

This was recognised by the board and both Brian McDermott and Nick Montgomery look to have been selected, at least in part, due to their highly regarded people skills and inclusive, supportive approach to management.

It can take a while to fully build trust, especially so when you're building from a low level.

I don't know if Montgomery will be succesful here or not. Personally, I'd like the football to be of the free flowing, exciting, fast paced variety and I'm not sure if his approach can lead to that, but I do think we will improve as the players become increasingly familiar with the style of play he's trying to implement and their roles within it, and the fastest way of doing that will be by rigidly sticking with it, rather than chopping and changing all the time. The playing out from the back thing does seem to be the current "in vogue" tactic, and he was able to succeed with it using poorer quality players in the A league. I think the difference that he'll have to get to grips with is that, mostly due to climate, the A league is played at a much lower intensity than the Scottish League, so it remains to be seen if he can get the same approach to work here.

[superfurryhibby]

Give this a go.

NM is clearly a serious, hard working pro who is putting everything he’s got into the job. He’s a student of the game and he’s got good people around him.

He’s got a very clear idea of how he wants his team to play. He communicates this clearly. He has been open with the fans and consistent from day one - no bs.

He had success with this system in Australia. So far it’s been mixed here, but he came in mid season and it’s quite a lot for the players to take in. But they do seem to have bought into it.

He comes across as honest and determined to me, and as committed to the job as you can be.

We’ve got a newish DoF, questions of ownership, not the ideal environment.

It might work, it might not, but he’s got a plan and deserves time to see it through.

Obviously a terrible run of results will pile the pressure on though.

IMO

It's a reasonable evaluation.

Whilst he may well have a plan, so far it's not really panning out that well and the criticism's of naivety, inflexibility and not getting the best out of the players he has, they will continue.

I have little confidence that Montgomery will produce a decent run over the next series of games with the current squad, so what happens if he doesn't, does he still deserve time to see it through?

Manager needs backed and given resources to sign players able to test his vision. Failure to do so leaves our club wallowing in our current on-going average-mediocre state.

[Greenworld]

Give this a go.

NM is clearly a serious, hard working pro who is putting everything he’s got into the job. He’s a student of the game and he’s got good people around him.

He’s got a very clear idea of how he wants his team to play. He communicates this clearly. He has been open with the fans and consistent from day one - no bs.

He had success with this system in Australia. So far it’s been mixed here, but he came in mid season and it’s quite a lot for the players to take in. But they do seem to have bought into it.

He comes across as honest and determined to me, and as committed to the job as you can be.

We’ve got a newish DoF, questions of ownership, not the ideal environment.

It might work, it might not, but he’s got a plan and deserves time to see it through.

Obviously a terrible run of results will pile the pressure on though.

IMOIt's a good summarising of the situation so far.
The guy needs to be given more time .
The however is, we do not get the better players in that we hoped for then we need to change the way we are playing shape wise until the end of the season and the squad can be reshaped.
I actually like the way we are trying to play and think we have been very unlucky in many games.

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[Since452]

Give this a go.

NM is clearly a serious, hard working pro who is putting everything he’s got into the job. He’s a student of the game and he’s got good people around him.

He’s got a very clear idea of how he wants his team to play. He communicates this clearly. He has been open with the fans and consistent from day one - no bs.

He had success with this system in Australia. So far it’s been mixed here, but he came in mid season and it’s quite a lot for the players to take in. But they do seem to have bought into it.

He comes across as honest and determined to me, and as committed to the job as you can be.

We’ve got a newish DoF, questions of ownership, not the ideal environment.

It might work, it might not, but he’s got a plan and deserves time to see it through.

Obviously a terrible run of results will pile the pressure on though.

IMO

I don't disagree other than he is partial to BS. Some of his post match interviews have been worrying to say the least. He thought we played very well against Hearts for example. One thing about Hibs fans, and Scottish football fans in general is you can't pull the wool over their eyes with managerial speak as LJ found out. I've no doubt he's hard working and a good pro etc but that should be a pre requisite. The question is if he's up to the job. He's taken a colossal step up from CCM to Hibs and he needs to show very quickly that he's the right man for Hibs and the blood and thunder world of Scottish football where time is a luxury he won't get. Especially at our club. He's been here 5 months now and the performances are getting worse. It's a worrying trend.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Give this a go.

NM is clearly a serious, hard working pro who is putting everything he’s got into the job. He’s a student of the game and he’s got good people around him.

He’s got a very clear idea of how he wants his team to play. He communicates this clearly. He has been open with the fans and consistent from day one - no bs.

He had success with this system in Australia. So far it’s been mixed here, but he came in mid season and it’s quite a lot for the players to take in. But they do seem to have bought into it.

He comes across as honest and determined to me, and as committed to the job as you can be.

We’ve got a newish DoF, questions of ownership, not the ideal environment.

It might work, it might not, but he’s got a plan and deserves time to see it through.

Obviously a terrible run of results will pile the pressure on though.

IMO

Good post :aok: I’m not convinced that will be enough to keep him in post if things are failing based on the way the previous incumbents have been treated but I think you make a lot of fair points.

[.Sean.]

If Hibs collapse in the run of fixtures over the next 5-6 weeks then I think NM will be in danger of losing his job. Given the run of fixtures, it's going to be a very tough ask for this side to stay in touch with the European places.

Most of us thought we had a better squad than results under Johnson in the league suggested this season. Turns out that NM hasn't been able to get too much of a tune from them either. Now were often debating formations and set up etc. I don't think NM has helped himself here at times, but the bottom line is that we have too many players who aren't good enough, no matter how you set them up.

Whatever happens, if NM goes, Kensall should also be under scrutiny. He's presided over an on-going shambles when it comes to recruitment.I am honestly struggling to comprehend chat about emptying Montgomery already. Jeez. But when you look at our upcoming run

This place is going to be even more nuts than normal when we take about 5 points in our next 6 league games

[Wilson]

I am honestly struggling to comprehend chat about emptying Montgomery already. Jeezo

You aren't really though are you? It's not like the mind blowing football and relentless positive results have convinced you so entirely that we have the right man?

For my money, you could stick Monty on gardening leave and put Gray in control. You'd be done with this one system only pish, get better performances out of Boyle and Vente, and the results would likely improve too.

[jacomo]

Good post :aok: I’m not convinced that will be enough to keep him in post if things are failing based on the way the previous incumbents have been treated but I think you make a lot of fair points.


Cheers pal.

Obvs we all hope for the best. Good luck to us!

One thing I do wonder is whether this supposed investment from Foley et al will bring pressure to change our system. I think the City group (as well as wanting all their teams to play in sky blue) also encourage the Pep tactics across all their teams.

Would Foley push us to play similar tactics to Bournemouth, so that any loanees can play under a similar system whilst with us?

If so, I don’t know how Hibs or NM would react to that.

[jacomo]

I don't disagree other than he is partial to BS. Some of his post match interviews have been worrying to say the least. He thought we played very well against Hearts for example. One thing about Hibs fans, and Scottish football fans in general is you can't pull the wool over their eyes with managerial speak as LJ found out. I've no doubt he's hard working and a good pro etc but that should be a pre requisite. The question is if he's up to the job. He's taken a colossal step up from CCM to Hibs and he needs to show very quickly that he's the right man for Hibs and the blood and thunder world of Scottish football where time is a luxury he won't get. Especially at our club. He's been here 5 months now and the performances are getting worse. It's a worrying trend.


You’re entitled to your opinion of course, but I think a manager’s post match comments are often directed towards the team rather than the fans.

On a number of occasions, Alex Ferguson would give his team an absolute roasting in the dressing room, then say ‘I’m about to go out there and defend yous lot to the media, prove to me you deserve that’.

I think we were marginally better than Hearts, they changed their system to adapt to us, not the other way around. We were undone by a Rocky mistake and a very good Shankland finish imo.

[The Modfather]

You aren't really though are you? It's not like the mind blowing football and relentless positive results have convinced you so entirely that we have the right man?

For my money, you could stick Monty on gardening leave and put Gray in control. You'd be done with this one system only pish, get better performances out of Boyle and Vente, and the results would likely improve too.

What would David Gray do differently when changes are needed and he looks to the same benches that Monty has had over his time with us? The bench in our last game was:

Johnson
Stevenson
Harbottle
Jeggo
Rudi
Mcallister
Clelland
Landers
Mckirdy

So 5 youngsters, McKirdy coming back from health issues and Montgomery saying he probably shouldn’t have even played the ten minutes he did. What would Gray do differently with the realistic options he had in Stevenson, Harbottle & Jeggo.

[Smartie]

What would David Gray do differently when changes are needed and he looks to the same benches that Monty has had over his time with us? The bench in our last game was:

Johnson
Stevenson
Harbottle
Jeggo
Rudi
Mcallister
Clelland
Landers
Mckirdy

So 5 youngsters, McKirdy coming back from health issues and Montgomery saying he probably shouldn’t have even played the ten minutes he did. What would Gray do differently with the realistic options he had in Stevenson, Harbottle & Jeggo.

Small sample size but we looked much tighter defensively during Gray's games earlier this season (much better away than at home against Villa and then a good defensive performance in Aberdeen).

So I'd expect to see consistency at CB, slightly better defensive cover for the defence, probably by playing Jeggo every week in front of them.

I don't think Gray would have Levitt making the sort of passes in the sort of position that he was caught out in against St Johnstone.

And I think we'd see more of the front 3 that most folk crave - Youan, Vente (right up front) and Boyle. Worth remembering that they had some bad games together under Johnson at the start of the season though.

With the same personnel he's still be up a gum tree when it came to making subs late in games but Johnson sort of got round that last season by making fewer subs and sticking with his favoured starting line up through good and bad. It only really ended up backfiring against Hearts in the last game.


I'm not for a second saying we should be sacking Monty, but I think his philosophy and our current group of players without reinforcements will get us nowhere fast (albeit it might work out longer term, with the right backing.)

[Since452]

What would David Gray do differently when changes are needed and he looks to the same benches that Monty has had over his time with us? The bench in our last game was:

Johnson
Stevenson
Harbottle
Jeggo
Rudi
Mcallister
Clelland
Landers
Mckirdy

So 5 youngsters, McKirdy coming back from health issues and Montgomery saying he probably shouldn’t have even played the ten minutes he did. What would Gray do differently with the realistic options he had in Stevenson, Harbottle & Jeggo.

Best league performance of the season by miles was under Gray up at Aberdeen. Not saying for one second he should be the manager but the players are capable of far better than they're showing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I am honestly struggling to comprehend chat about emptying Montgomery already. Jeez. But when you look at our upcoming run

This place is going to be even more nuts than normal when we take about 5 points in our next 6 league games

If you take out peoples opinions on the matter and focus solely on how we as a club deal with poor performance, which at the end of the day is all that matters, surely you can see why it’s being discussed?

If we take 5 points from our next 6 league games then we’ll likely be bottom 6. I don’t think it’s that hard to picture a situation where that gets a Hibs manager the sack given our boards recent history.

I don’t think I’ve seen anybody say he should be sacked. I think history tells us though that we’re rapidly approaching ‘has to improve’ territory under this board.

[He's here!]

You aren't really though are you? It's not like the mind blowing football and relentless positive results have convinced you so entirely that we have the right man?

For my money, you could stick Monty on gardening leave and put Gray in control. You'd be done with this one system only pish, get better performances out of Boyle and Vente, and the results would likely improve too.

I think the majority of fans are prepared to wait things out and see what Monty's made of after the break. However, in a worst case scenario where we find ourselves fighting relegation and he gets the boot then Gray should be offered the job full time IMO. He's held the fort effectively on numerous occasions and even had us ahead in a cup final against Celtic. He's worked under numerous managers now and given the experience he's gained it's hard to see him being any less effective than Maloney, Johnson or Montgomery (the latter on current evidence).

[B.H.F.C]

Small sample size but we looked much tighter defensively during Gray's games earlier this season (much better away than at home against Villa and then a good defensive performance in Aberdeen).

So I'd expect to see consistency at CB, slightly better defensive cover for the defence, probably by playing Jeggo every week in front of them.

I don't think Gray would have Levitt making the sort of passes in the sort of position that he was caught out in against St Johnstone.

And I think we'd see more of the front 3 that most folk crave - Youan, Vente (right up front) and Boyle. Worth remembering that they had some bad games under Johnson together at the start of the season though.

With the same personnel he's still be up a gum tree when it came to making subs late in games but Johnson sort of got round that last season by making fewer subs and sticking with his favoured starting line up through good and bad. It only really ended up backfiring against Hearts in the last game.


I'm not for a second saying we should be sacking Monty, but I think his philosophy and our current group of players without reinforcements will get us nowhere fast (albeit it might work out longer term, with the right backing.)

Will start this by saying I wouldn’t be playing the current system every week, although I think the most ridiculous aspect is the refusal to change it even during a game rather than the system itself.

In some corners the system is to blame for everything though and I just don’t think there is any balance to some of the conversation (no aiming that at you or this post really). But if you look at the last two games as an example, system didn’t cause us to drop as many points. Losing a goal from a free kick where the opposition win three headers in a row in our box, one from a throw in where our 16 year old full back switched off and one from a punt up the park from the goalie that our hopeless centre half doesn’t just header away like any average centre half would.

I honestly don’t think it’s just a straight case of a shape change sorting loads of our problems. It’s not as if the different shape was working well at the start of the season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think the majority of fans are prepared to wait things out and see what Monty's made of after the break. However, in a worst case scenario where we find ourselves fighting relegation and he gets the boot then Gray should be offered the job full time IMO. He's held the fort effectively on numerous occasions and even had us ahead in a cup final against Celtic. He's worked under numerous managers now and given the experience he's gained it's hard to see him being any less effective than Maloney, Johnson or Montgomery (the latter on current evidence).

If (and I’d stress I’m not saying he should be) NM is sacked, I wonder if we’ll be in a different market for managers with the arrival of Foley?

In theory we may have a big chunk more money floating around. I wonder if guys like an out of work Tony Mowbray for example would suddenly become a bit more attainable?

[The Modfather]

Small sample size but we looked much tighter defensively during Gray's games earlier this season (much better away than at home against Villa and then a good defensive performance in Aberdeen).

So I'd expect to see consistency at CB, slightly better defensive cover for the defence, probably by playing Jeggo every week in front of them.

I don't think Gray would have Levitt making the sort of passes in the sort of position that he was caught out in against St Johnstone.

And I think we'd see more of the front 3 that most folk crave - Youan, Vente (right up front) and Boyle. Worth remembering that they had some bad games together under Johnson at the start of the season though.

With the same personnel he's still be up a gum tree when it came to making subs late in games but Johnson sort of got round that last season by making fewer subs and sticking with his favoured starting line up through good and bad. It only really ended up backfiring against Hearts in the last game.


I'm not for a second saying we should be sacking Monty, but I think his philosophy and our current group of players without reinforcements will get us nowhere fast (albeit it might work out longer term, with the right backing.)

A fair post. It’s definitely fair to challenge Montgomery on his stubbornness/naivety/lack of experience in never deviating too much from 442 with what we have.

As a crude summation of your post the alternative is, potentially, play Jeggo and don’t make subs 😀

Montgomery isn’t buying himself much leeway in the short term, which is naive as he needs to survive long enough to actually make his changes, but on the flip side we’ve got a mid table squad, top 6 on a good day, bottom 6 on a bad day. Talk of 433, Boyle & Youan etc etc is just rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic at the end of the day IMO.

[Brightside]

NM was taken on with a clear agreement on how he would play and how things would develop. If we sack another one we need to just stop asking managers for plans!

[The Modfather]

Best league performance of the season by miles was under Gray up at Aberdeen. Not saying for one second he should be the manager but the players are capable of far better than they're showing.

They are capable of that performance, but not on a regular or even semi consistent basis. For every Aberdeen away there’s a St Mirren at home, Motherwell away, St Johnstone away etc.

[Smartie]

A fair post. It’s definitely fair to challenge Montgomery on his stubbornness/naivety/lack of experience in never deviating too much from 442 with what we have.

As a crude summation of your post the alternative is, potentially, play Jeggo and don’t make subs ��

Montgomery isn’t buying himself much leeway in the short term, which is naive as he needs to survive long enough to actually make his changes, but on the flip side we’ve got a mid table squad, top 6 on a good day, bottom 6 on a bad day. Talk of 433, Boyle & Youan etc etc is just rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic at the end of the day IMO.

The crude summation isn't far off the mark.

I actually think a couple of tweaks could make Monty's team better - I prefer Jeggo to Levitt deep in midfield. I'd actually prefer Levitt doing what Vente is doing - the dropping deep from an advanced position and playing in the wide players and an advanced Vente himself. I also don't like the constant shuffling at CH - pick 2, stick with them, give them a bit of protection and I think we look stronger (although we will still, inevitably, lose the odd bad goal as all teams do).

That's without changing the system, although you are playing a midfielder up front.

[Carheenlea]

A quick skim through last few pages would have you thinking we must be in full blown crisis mode.

[xbar81]

A quick skim through last few pages would have you thinking we must be in full blown crisis mode.

you think we're not? Only cause it's the winter break everything is calm, plus we are expecting to win v Forfar. People were fuming after the derby and wanted sackings.

[ScottB]

If (and I’d stress I’m not saying he should be) NM is sacked, I wonder if we’ll be in a different market for managers with the arrival of Foley?

In theory we may have a big chunk more money floating around. I wonder if guys like an out of work Tony Mowbray for example would suddenly become a bit more attainable?

More likely they’ll want to develop coaches as well as players in their network, as the City Group do.

Not much incentive for Foley to fork out for an expensive coach who isn’t going to be of interest to Bournemouth, Lorient etc ahead of us.

[Carheenlea]

you think we're not? Only cause it's the winter break everything is calm, plus we are expecting to win v Forfar. People were fuming after the derby and wanted sackings.

No, I don’t think we are in crisis.

[jacomo]

you think we're not? Only cause it's the winter break everything is calm, plus we are expecting to win v Forfar. People were fuming after the derby and wanted sackings.


If you describe this as a crisis, what words do you use to describe an actual crisis?

[xbar81]

If you describe this as a crisis, what words do you use to describe an actual crisis?

just have to turn it up to 11 :agree:


TBH I don't think we are in a crisis but some people on here do. There were threads like "i hate hibs" and "get monty out" etc.

[jacomo]

just have to turn it up to 11 :agree:


TBH I don't think we are in a crisis but some people on here do. There were threads like "i hate hibs" and "get monty out" etc.


Never pay too much attention to the match day threads! :wink:

You’ll hear similar nonsense at ER whenever we concede a goal…

[Since452]

NM was taken on with a clear agreement on how he would play and how things would develop. If we sack another one we need to just stop asking managers for plans!

Makes you question just who thought we had the squad to play his system or what questions were asked during the interview process. In a season where 3rd is massive we're religiously playing the formation the manager wants to play without having the players to do so rather than playing a hugely expensively assembled squad of players by Hibs standards in their strongest positions.

Knowing our luck we'll get five or six new signings in the summer. Stroll to 3rd playing 442 with brilliant football and then have to play qualifiers to get in to the group stages. Losing to a team from Kazakhstan in the playoffs.

[Hiber-nation]

Any chance of ditching the Monty chat on this thread? Really annoying.

[WhileTheChief..]

A quick skim through last few pages would have you thinking we must be in full blown crisis mode.

Nowhere near being a crisis but there’s clearly a lot to be concerned about.

NM has got his work cut out and needs to start delivering results. There’s hardly been any improvement since he came in and I reckon the board would have expected better.

However, I don’t think he’s anywhere near close to being sacked but if he left for another club tomorrow would anyone really care?

I’ve not seen anything from him that makes me think we’ve got a star manager on our hands.

[Unseen work]

Whilst I don’t think we’re anywhere near a crisis, if you told me that for the Forfar game we’re going into it with no new additions I just wouldn’t have believed you - especially with Rocky, Miller, Boyle and Wollacott all being away on international duty.

Harbottle, Delf and Boruc have also not been training with the team so you can’t imagine they’d be in the squad.

Forfar or not, that’s poor. Especially with having rangers not long after.

[B.H.F.C]

Whilst I don’t think we’re anywhere near a crisis, if you told me that for the Forfar game we’re going into it with no new additions I just wouldn’t have believed you - especially with Rocky, Miller, Boyle and Wollacott all being away on international duty.

Harbottle, Delf and Boruc have also not been training with the team so you can’t imagine they’d be in the squad.

Forfar or not, that’s poor. Especially with having rangers not long after.

Poor is a bit generous. Forfar shouldn’t be an issue but if we go in to the Rangers game with what we had available v Motherwell, we’ll get murdered.

[Unseen work]

Poor is a bit generous. Forfar shouldn’t be an issue but if we go in to the Rangers game with what we had available v Motherwell, we’ll get murdered.

Yeah I agree, and it’s reasons like the current squad being the way it is that I just can’t criticise Montgomery properly.

Even the guys were getting linked with, 18/19 year old wingers that have played a handful of games - it’s just not what we need.

Obviously there will be other targets we’re not aware of, but the whole window has been depressing until now.

I think most Hibs fans if you asked them what they need would all say similar, but it’s not what we’re seeing/hearing so far.

[J-C]

Any chance of ditching the Monty chat on this thread? Really annoying.

Won't happen until a few certain posters get their wish and he's sacked, negativity across nearly all threads is depressing, I could put most on ignore but it'd be multiple pages of nothing.

[Since452]

Won't happen until a few certain posters get their wish and he's sacked, negativity across nearly all threads is depressing, I could put most on ignore but it'd be multiple pages of nothing.

As opposed to you relentlessly having a go at LJ when he was here and after he left? What's the difference?

[Paulie Walnuts]

As opposed to you relentlessly having a go at LJ when he was here and after he left? What's the difference?

:greengrin

[xbar81]

As opposed to you relentlessly having a go at LJ when he was here and after he left? What's the difference?

LJ it was understandable why he was disliked. Monty is not a dislikeable chap and doesn't talk absolute David Brent type bollocks while the team are underperforming.

Ok the team maybe underperforming but we don't have the cringe of LJ on top of it too if you get my meaning.

[Wilson]

Will start this by saying I wouldn’t be playing the current system every week, although I think the most ridiculous aspect is the refusal to change it even during a game rather than the system itself.

In some corners the system is to blame for everything though and I just don’t think there is any balance to some of the conversation (no aiming that at you or this post really). But if you look at the last two games as an example, system didn’t cause us to drop as many points. Losing a goal from a free kick where the opposition win three headers in a row in our box, one from a throw in where our 16 year old full back switched off and one from a punt up the park from the goalie that our hopeless centre half doesn’t just header away like any average centre half would.

I honestly don’t think it’s just a straight case of a shape change sorting loads of our problems. It’s not as if the different shape was working well at the start of the season.

Lee Johnson was the issue at the start of the season. Not the players or the shape. Lee Johnson was throwing players under the bus. That was the story.

Now the players are the issue. They don't fit the shape. Monty's shape or insistence on playing it is not the issue. Apparently. Although, while we fail to get a tune from our top player, Boyle, or a tune from our big investment, Vente, then perhaps Monty and his shape will be a bigger issue than folk care to admit.

[JohnM1875]

Any chance of ditching the Monty chat on this thread? Really annoying.

Not a chance. Not even sure why the thread is still going? No doubt be numerous Monty out threads after a few losses anyway.

[B.H.F.C]

Lee Johnson was the issue at the start of the season. Not the players or the shape. Lee Johnson was throwing players under the bus. That was the story.

Now the players are the issue. They don't fit the shape. Monty's shape or insistence on playing it is not the issue. Apparently. Although, while we fail to get a tune from our top player, Boyle, or a tune from our big investment, Vente, then perhaps Monty and his shape will be a bigger issue than folk care to admit.

Do you not think the players are a fairly major part of the issue?

[superfurryhibby]

Do you not think the players are a fairly major part of the issue?

"In terms of the identity of the team and the way that we play, that’s not going to change”, Monty confirmed. In terms of the players that we have, ultimately if we don’t have a big squad and you don't have impact off the bench, then it is very hard to play at high intensity for 90 minutes. That is where we were short in the first part of the season"

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/everyone-wants-him-back-hibs-boss-offers-positive-time-frame-updates-on-chris-cadden-and-adam-le-fondre-4479067?fbclid=IwAR2xnmpTdVfwg2M4L0J6jH2cBaeooCxmF Yp-iE5yhtQDNN7cYIaHx2oIXFs

[blackpoolhibs]

just have to turn it up to 11 :agree:


TBH I don't think we are in a crisis but some people on here do. There were threads like "i hate hibs" and "get monty out" etc.

That was me, and at the time i did hate them although i've never wanted Monty out. There's no crisis in my opinion, maybe boredom or apathy have crept in, but crisis i dont think so.

[xbar81]

That was me, and at the time i did hate them although i've never wanted Monty out. There's no crisis in my opinion, maybe boredom or apathy have crept in, but crisis i dont think so.

you were just emotional mate. Next derby take a tranquliser :na na:

[Donegal Hibby]

Before Mourinho was sacked there was speculation ( only paper talk ) that Newcastle had held talks with him about replacing Eddie Howie . Probably all s**** though is Eddie Howie another manager under pressure depending on next few results? .

[blackpoolhibs]

you were just emotional mate. Next derby take a tranquliser :na na:
Before or after? :wink:

[xbar81]

Before or after? :wink:
half time lol

[greenlex]

Before or after? :wink:
Both just to be sure G.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Before Mourinho was sacked there was speculation ( only paper talk ) that Newcastle had held talks with him about replacing Eddie Howie . Probably all s**** though is Eddie Howie another manager under pressure depending on next few results? .

Hope so. I chucked a tenner on him to be next prem manager to leave at 7/1 after they lost consecutive games to (I think) luton and forest

[HoboHarry]

Before Mourinho was sacked there was speculation ( only paper talk ) that Newcastle had held talks with him about replacing Eddie Howie . Probably all s**** though is Eddie Howie another manager under pressure depending on next few results? .
What little feeling I have for Newcastle would evaporate if they appointed Mourinho. His race his run and his stay at every club is the same, short term success followed by a trail of destruction and leaving the place a mess.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Before Mourinho was sacked there was speculation ( only paper talk ) that Newcastle had held talks with him about replacing Eddie Howie . Probably all s**** though is Eddie Howie another manager under pressure depending on next few results? .

Wouldn’t be all that surprised. Think they’ve lost 6 of their last 7 I read somewhere (can’t be bothered to check, that seems astonishing if true but I’m going to presume it is). That’s not good enough at that level.

[J-C]

As opposed to you relentlessly having a go at LJ when he was here and after he left? What's the difference?

Haha, I only turned against LJ near the end when he got booted, I was neither for or against him during his time, his BS was the only real thing that annoyed me about him, I wanted him gone after the cup defeat against Hearts and the 0-3 defeat against them earlier didn't help. Looking back on last season reminded me how streaky his time was, 4 losses and then 4-5 wins and repeat.

Unlike you who's been against Montgomery since day one and have let everyone know in almost every thread you post on.

[Wilson]

Do you not think the players are a fairly major part of the issue?

No. We could have better quality in depth but that's about it. That Monty hasn't got as much out of Youan as Lee did is a worry. That a proven talisman like Boyle is ineffective is a worry. That Vente can't buy a goal is a worry.

If for Monty's system to work means the existing talent fails then I'd start questioning the system.

[J-C]

No. We could have better quality in depth but that's about it. That Monty hasn't got as much out of Youan as Lee did is a worry. That a proven talisman like Boyle is ineffective is a worry. That Vente can't buy a goal is a worry.

If for Monty's system to work means the existing talent fails then I'd start questioning the system.

There's the problem, players injured long term and having young 17yr olds on the bench instead, the starting 11 feel no pressure on them and their places are almost guaranteed, complacency sometimes sets in.

[BoltonHibee]

you were just emotional mate. Next derby take a tranquliser :na na:

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[B.H.F.C]

No. We could have better quality in depth but that's about it. That Monty hasn't got as much out of Youan as Lee did is a worry. That a proven talisman like Boyle is ineffective is a worry. That Vente can't buy a goal is a worry.

If for Monty's system to work means the existing talent fails then I'd start questioning the system.

The Youan thing I think has been overplayed. He’s scored six since Monty came in the door having scored nine in the whole of last season. He’ll improve on that this season and continue to go from the sublime to the ridiculous from minute to minute. Playing Boyle up front week in, week out I totally disagree with. That’s a mistake.

It’s not just lack of quality in depth, it’s just a total lack of quality in certain positions, namely centre half, and that is what is costing us more than anything.

There are things Montgomery could and should be doing differently but there are things that are absolutely on the players. He can’t header the ball away in the last minute of the derby for Rocky or score the penalty for Boyle and that’s just a couple of examples of big errors players have made that have cost us that are absolutely nothing to do with anything tactical.

[TrinityHFC]

Haha, I only turned against LJ near the end when he got booted, I was neither for or against him during his time, his BS was the only real thing that annoyed me about him, I wanted him gone after the cup defeat against Hearts and the 0-3 defeat against them earlier didn't help. Looking back on last season reminded me how streaky his time was, 4 losses and then 4-5 wins and repeat.

Unlike you who's been against Montgomery since day one and have let everyone know in almost every thread you post on.

Nonsense. You’ve previously admitted you sussed LJ out early on and wanted him out.

That’s fine but then don’t go over dramatic on people who think that way about the current manager. Accusing people of not being Hibs fans and ignoring people left, right and centre is pathetic behaviour just because this time they have a different view from you.

[blackpoolhibs]

He can’t go, I sold his season ticket that he launched along with his scarf


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[Winston Ingram]

No. We could have better quality in depth but that's about it. That Monty hasn't got as much out of Youan as Lee did is a worry. That a proven talisman like Boyle is ineffective is a worry. That Vente can't buy a goal is a worry.

If for Monty's system to work means the existing talent fails then I'd start questioning the system.

This and I’d be very surprised if the board aren’t thinking the very same. They’ve spent a fortune on these 3 and it’ll be a lot cheaper to bullet Monty than it’d would to write off the amount paid for that lot.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Haha, I only turned against LJ near the end when he got booted, I was neither for or against him during his time, his BS was the only real thing that annoyed me about him, I wanted him gone after the cup defeat against Hearts and the 0-3 defeat against them earlier didn't help. Looking back on last season reminded me how streaky his time was, 4 losses and then 4-5 wins and repeat.

Unlike you who's been against Montgomery since day one and have let everyone know in almost every thread you post on.

And yet there’s numerous posts from you from November 2022 onwards (possibly even earlier but I’ve not read any earlier threads) saying to get him out the club, time to go etc.

[J-C]

And yet there’s numerous posts from you from November 2022 onwards (possibly even earlier but I’ve not read any earlier threads) saying to get him out the club, time to go etc.

How can you be arsed trawling through posts from over a year ago, can you find them and show them as I can't recall what I posted last week.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How can you be arsed trawling through posts from over a year ago, can you find them and show them as I can't recall what I posted last week.

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?359917-Manager-needs-to-go

8 November 2022. 19 games into his tenure.

[Since452]

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?359917-Manager-needs-to-go

8 November 2022. 19 games into his tenure.

Interesting thread. If you didn't know, it could be about Montgomery, Johnson, Maloney. Easy to see where the problem is.

[blackpoolhibs]

Interesting thread. If you didn't know, it could be about Montgomery, Johnson, Maloney. Easy to see where the problem is.

Reading that thread, its exactly the same arguments we have today. Managers fault, players fault, recruitment fault or tactics.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Interesting thread. If you didn't know, it could be about Montgomery, Johnson, Maloney. Easy to see where the problem is.

I’ve quite enjoyed reading some of the older threads :greengrin

So far there’s been numerous folk who can’t even fathom talk of managers being sacked so early who were asking for previous managers to be sacked even earlier, folk who are currently calling fans entitled for daring to question whether Montgomery is under pressure who wanted previous managers out after 7 games (W3, D2, L2) and folk who are insistent that our formation and system under NM doesn’t actually matter who were very insistent that Maloneys formation and system was the problem :greengrin

[Since452]

Reading that thread, its exactly the same arguments we have today. Managers fault, players fault, recruitment fault or tactics.

Yup. Shows how poorly we've been run on the football side of things since the Gordons took over that fans are having often heated debates over all you've mentioned above. All started with the sacking of Jack Ross after failing to back him that summer. Sad and frustrating.

[Since452]

I’ve quite enjoyed reading some of the older threads :greengrin

So far there’s been numerous folk who can’t even fathom talk of managers being sacked so early who were asking for previous managers to be sacked even earlier, folk who are currently calling fans entitled for daring to question whether Montgomery is under pressure who wanted previous managers out after 7 games (W3, D2, L2) and folk who are insistent that our formation and system under NM doesn’t actually matter who were very insistent that Maloneys formation and system was the problem :greengrin

I noticed one prominent poster on that thread saying that LJ should be gone for sticking to 433 all the time and hoping for the best. Same poster scoffs at the idea of NM being critisised for the exactly the same thing. Gave me a wee chuckle.

[Trinity Hibee]

I get that this is more speculation but say there was little progress by NM come the summer and Ian Murray had got Raith promoted either as champions or the play offs. Do we think he’d be in with a shout of getting the Hibs job.

Listened to the open goal interview with IM and he seems grounded, not lost in any buzzwords etc, obviously gets the club. Would be interesting

[Paulie Walnuts]

I noticed one prominent poster on that thread saying that LJ should be gone for sticking to 433 all the time and hoping for the best. Same poster scoffs at the idea of NM being critisised for the exactly the same thing. Gave me a wee chuckle.

:greengrin

Think the moral of the story is we’re all guilty of talking utter ***** on here so getting yourself worked into a tizzy over other peoples posts is just daft.

[Heisenberg]

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?359917-Manager-needs-to-go

8 November 2022. 19 games into his tenure.

Quite surprised I don’t seem to have wanted him out by then. My shout that Will Fish will probably never play for us has turned out to be a belter.

[Jones28]

I get that this is more speculation but say there was little progress by NM come the summer and Ian Murray had got Raith promoted either as champions or the play offs. Do we think he’d be in with a shout of getting the Hibs job.

Listened to the open goal interview with IM and he seems grounded, not lost in any buzzwords etc, obviously gets the club. Would be interesting

I really like Murray, and hope he gets Raith up as I like them too.

If we are in a similar position come the summer the manager won’t be sacked though.

If NM goes for whatever reason IM would be very high on my list of targets.

[xbar81]

I really like Murray, and hope he gets Raith up as I like them too.

If we are in a similar position come the summer the manager won’t be sacked though.

If NM goes for whatever reason IM would be very high on my list of targets.

IM is an obvious choice he live an breaths hibs

[Smartie]

Always interesting seeing an old thread revived. You get to assess how much pish you spoke with hindsight, and you realise who has either been ejected or who has quietly stopped posting.

[J-C]

Always interesting seeing an old thread revived. You get to assess how much pish you spoke with hindsight, and you realise who has either been ejected or who has quietly stopped posting.

I've put a couple on ignore, so can't see any replies now. 😜

[J-C]

Quite surprised I don’t seem to have wanted him out by then. My shout that Will Fish will probably never play for us has turned out to be a belter.

I looked at the thread and although wasn't calling for his head at the time I was concerned, that was at a period when we were losing and he went on a run of 2 wins and 9 losses with heavy defeats against Celtic and Aberdeen, home losses to St Johnstone and Ross C. I think the cup loss to Hearts was enough for me by then, even though at the time we had been on a good run of wins.

[04Sauzee]

Troy Deeney sacked by Forest Green Rovers after 6 games in charge.

[JohnM1875]

Troy Deeney sacked by Forest Green Rovers after 6 games in charge.

Guy seems a total fud.

[flash]

Troy Deeney sacked by Forest Green Rovers after 6 games in charge.

Packed a lot into the 6 games to be fair to him.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

After seeing his outburst at his player at the start of the week I tweeted he'd never see next season. Didn't realise he wouldn't see next week

Guy seems like an absolute weapon

[ScottB]

Boggles the mind how he got the job in the first place, besides being fairly well known as a player…

[Since452]

I looked at the thread and although wasn't calling for his head at the time I was concerned, that was at a period when we were losing and he went on a run of 2 wins and 9 losses with heavy defeats against Celtic and Aberdeen, home losses to St Johnstone and Ross C. I think the cup loss to Hearts was enough for me by then, even though at the time we had been on a good run of wins.
'
Is asking for him to be moved on not the same thing as calling for his head? In the November of his first season in charge? You can't have go any anyone questioning Montgomery.

[ChilliEater]

'
Is asking for him to be moved on not the same thing as calling for his head? In the November of his first season in charge? You can't have go any anyone questioning Montgomery.

What about if you disagree with them? Can you have a go at them then?

[TrinityHFC]

What about if you disagree with them? Can you have a go at them then?

Disagree, of course but continually questioning if people are real Hibs fans, calling them trolls than adding anyone they don't agree with to ignore. I think that's being a bit sensitive, especially when the roles have been reversed previously.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Disagree, of course but continually questioning if people are real Hibs fans, calling them trolls than adding anyone they don't agree with to ignore. I think that's being a bit sensitive, especially when the roles have been reversed previously.

:agree:

[WeeRussell]

Disagree, of course but continually questioning if people are real Hibs fans, calling them trolls than adding anyone they don't agree with to ignore. I think that's being a bit sensitive, especially when the roles have been reversed previously.

I haven’t used the ignore function myself, although there are some that I generally ‘manually’ ignore.

If people want to use the ignore option I don’t blame them, and it’s not being sensitive. The site is for hibs fans’ enjoyment and if that is enhanced for some by ignoring posters (whether they are perceived trolls, slavers, persistently negative or whatever else) then fair enough.

There are multiple versions of the above and it’s really no surprise people get sick of it. Wouldn’t you rather they used the ignore function than added to the ever-declining quality of discussion by squabbling and questioning why these posters are still here?

[GreenGray]

Can’t be long before Rhys McCabe gets a Premiership job.


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[Billy Whizz]

Can’t be long before Rhys McCabe gets a Premiership job.


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Or Kris Doolan

[JimBHibees]

Or Kris Doolan

Yes like Doolan and the way his teams play. Decent football good to watch. So unlucky at the play off last season and must have been sweet to knock out County. Not sure what their league form is like but think they will be competitive in play offs this season assuming they are too far back to challenge for title. Seems a private maybe quiet guy but think a sharp brain there like he was as a player.

[MKHIBEE]

He can’t go, I sold his season ticket that he launched along with his scarf


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Somebody paid money for it?

[VoltaireHibs]

Yes like Doolan and the way his teams play. Decent football good to watch. So unlucky at the play off last season and must have been sweet to knock out County. Not sure what their league form is like but think they will be competitive in play offs this season assuming they are too far back to challenge for title. Seems a private maybe quiet guy but think a sharp brain there like he was as a player.

Doolan and McCabe are really interesting young managers. They appear to be able to have their teams playing attractive, attacking, passing football in a division that isn't known for that. It does give me food for thought re NM. Is it possible for them in the Championship (to play those tactics) because the general standard is poor and so smart tactics can triumph over poorer fitness/old school tactics etc? When I've seen Airdrieonians play on Friday night matches they seem to play the style of football NM wants to play. Partick as well, it's front foot football. I think both managers will go higher but is there a glass ceiling on that style of tactical innovation, do increased budgets in the SPL allows other managers to negate it? Or have we just got a manager that isn't very good? Both remind me a bit of Alex Neill when he started out, something that breaks the mould, but as with Neill, doesn't automatically mean they'll be a success everywhere they go. When Neill hit the scene his teams played excellent football, now he seems to be a bit of a stodge merchant on a rinse repeat cycle in the English Championship.

[Donegal Hibby]

Derek Adams not to popular here going by a few comments from the Ross county fans .
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68053290

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

#BealeOut is trending on X. He's barely been there a couple months 🤣

I think Hodgson is on a shoogly peg in the prem too

[Paulie Walnuts]

#BealeOut is trending on X. He's barely been there a couple months 🤣

I think Hodgson is on a shoogly peg in the prem too

Palace are a strange one. They’re such a dull, uninspiring team and as a club, they’re probably a league above where they should be. 5 points clear of the relegation zone should be a decent effort for them.

That being said, there’s only so long fans can put up with being so dull and uninspiring.

[BoyledEgg]

Been told David Gray is shortlisted for the Ayr United job.

[Donegal Hibby]

Been told David Gray is shortlisted for the Ayr United job.

Don't want the current Hibs manager gone and think he needs time though if our job did become available SDG would be my number 1 choice to take over , would like to see him stay at hibs in his current role till then though maybe a managers job would be beneficial to him . Don't know much about Ayr Utd , would it be a decent first managerial position for SDG though?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Don't want the current Hibs manager gone and think he needs time though if our job did become available SDG would be my number 1 choice to take over , would like to see him stay at hibs in his current role till then though maybe a managers job would be beneficial to him . Don't know much about Ayr Utd , would it be a decent first managerial position for SDG though?

Ayr are 2 points off bottom in the Championship. Could be a tough gig but he’s shown an ability to steady the ship at Hibs on a couple occasions now.

I would love to see SDG manage Hibs one day but only if he deserves it. I think he needs a managerial gig elsewhere to get to that stage.

[BoyledEgg]

Don't want the current Hibs manager gone and think he needs time though if our job did become available SDG would be my number 1 choice to take over , would like to see him stay at hibs in his current role till then though maybe a managers job would be beneficial to him . Don't know much about Ayr Utd , would it be a decent first managerial position for SDG though?


Despite the league position, Ayr are doing a lot of good things just now. There is also the Graeme Mathie connection.

[Billy Whizz]

Been told David Gray is shortlisted for the Ayr United job.

Obviously there’s a relationship between Gray and Mathie, but I’d have thought Ayr need an experienced Manager

[flash]

Obviously there’s a relationship between Gray and Mathie, but I’d have thought Ayr need an experienced Manager

They just had one so maybe think it's time to try something different.

In the ideal world he would serve his apprenticeship at other clubs then come home to us.

[xbar81]

So if we lose to ICT are we sacking Monty? :na na:

[eastmainsmsh]

So if we lose to ICT are we sacking Monty? :na na:

appoint big Dunc ?

[bingo70]

Obviously there’s a relationship between Gray and Mathie, but I’d have thought Ayr need an experienced Manager

They’ve just sacked an experienced manager haven’t they?

I think Bullen was experienced actually but not sure what jobs he has had before so I could be talking rubbish.

[snedzuk]

They just had one so maybe think it's time to try something different.

In the ideal world he would serve his apprenticeship at other clubs then come home to us.

Was Aiden McGeady not pretty complimentary about SDG.

[Billy Whizz]

They’ve just sacked an experienced manager haven’t they?

I think Bullen was experienced actually but not sure what jobs he has had before so I could be talking rubbish.

He was an experienced coach, but think the Ayr job was his 1st Manager appointment
He did well last season, but no idea what’s happened to them this season

[flash]

Was Aiden McGeady not pretty complimentary about SDG.

Aye he slated them all bar SDG I think.

[Billy Whizz]

Scott Brown seems to be the favourite, probably take Whittaker with him too

[VoltaireHibs]

Scott Brown seems to be the favourite, probably take Whittaker with him too

Probably a good shout. Good gig for whoever gets it, seem to be doing okay off the park. Feels familiar...:wink:

[leith lynx]

Scott Brown seems to be the favourite, probably take Whittaker with him too

One of his first games could be at Ibrox in the cup!

[H18 SFR]

We live in Ayr now. They train at Cambusdoon Cricket Club in Alloway which is just down the road from us, we are actually the next street over from Graeme Mathie.

Local chat is that the interviews are at Cambusdoon and a certain Lee Johnson has been interviewed as he was seen with Mathie and Davie Smith their relatively new owner at the training Astro.

[greenlex]

We live in Ayr now. They train at Cambusdoon Cricket Club in Alloway which is just down the road from us, we are actually the next street over from Graeme Mathie.

Local chat is that the interviews are at Cambusdoon and a certain Lee Johnson has been interviewed as he was seen with Mathie and Davie Smith their relatively new owner at the training Astro.
Surely Johnson was just scouting out venues for zoom lessons.

[VoltaireHibs]

We live in Ayr now. They train at Cambusdoon Cricket Club in Alloway which is just down the road from us, we are actually the next street over from Graeme Mathie.

Local chat is that the interviews are at Cambusdoon and a certain Lee Johnson has been interviewed as he was seen with Mathie and Davie Smith their relatively new owner at the training Astro.

I'd quite like this to be true. I loved his interviews, just not in the guise of him being Hibs manager.

[H18 SFR]

Surely Johnson was just scouting out venues for zoom lessons.

That’s exactly what I said. I personally know a coach who works for their academy full time - this includes schools based work in the afternoons as well as club coaching but he is adamant that none of them know a thing other than what they’re hearing as well. Given they train at a different venue that’s possible.

[04Sauzee]

Scott Brown got the Ayr gig according to the red tops. Announcement tomorrow.

[Since452]

Scott Brown confirmed at Ayr

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Surely Johnson was just scouting out venues for zoom lessons.

FAO H18 SFR

Grew up in Ayr, much of the town is past its best but Alloway and Doonfoot are lovely areas.

Had a paper round out of Doonfoot stores as a lad and would do runs around the village, cycling past Burns Cottage on my way back home at the end of the round. Happy days.

[H18 SFR]

FAO H18 SFR

Grew up in Ayr, much of the town is past its best but Alloway and Doonfoot are lovely areas.

Had a paper round out of Doonfoot stores as a lad and would do runs around the village, cycling past Burns Cottage on my way back home at the end of the round. Happy days.

We’ve been down here a number of years now. Quite a good few Hibees live here.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

We’ve been down here a number of years now. Quite a good few Hibees live here.

I was the only Hibby at Belmont Academy, didn't know of any others in the town sadly.
Oddly enough George Foulkes stayed just down the road from me and his wife Liz who was Lord Provost for a while was quite friendly with my parents.

[jodjam]

I was the only Hibby at Belmont Academy, didn't know of any others in the town sadly.
Oddly enough George Foulkes stayed just down the road from me and his wife Liz who was Lord Provist for a while was quite friendly with my parents.

She must be some lady. Lord Provost and washing his soiled breeks all the time.

[ardecos]

I was the only Hibby at Belmont Academy, didn't know of any others in the town sadly.
Oddly enough George Foulkes stayed just down the road from me and his wife Liz who was Lord Provost for a while was quite friendly with my parents.

I went to Belmont in the early 70s, but admittedly wasn't a Hibby then.

[Lago]

I went to Belmont in the early 70s, but admittedly wasn't a Hibby then.
Grew up in Prestwick, Ayr Academy for me, bit older than you but Ian Ure was ahead of me at school.

[Cat Stanton]

Scott Brown confirmed at Ayr

According to the current (as impressive as ever) bbc:

"The 38-year-old... has signed a deal until June 20026".

That's quite a length of contract.

[Stevie Reid]

Michael Appleton sacked by Charlton.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Michael Appleton sacked by charlton. Wasn't he linked with us at one time?

[Stevie Reid]

Michael Appleton sacked by charlton. Wasn't he linked with us at one time?

Was interviewed and our preferred candidate over Heckingbottom, but apparently wanted more than four months salary as a payoff, if sacked.

[He's here!]

Scott Brown confirmed at Ayr

Best of luck to him. Great if he can prove himself a good manager and maybe end up back at ER one day.

My gut feeling at present though is that there might be a bit of a Wayne Rooney element to this appointment (ie big name rather than proven manager...'Scott Brown's Ayr United' etc) but hopefully not.

[147lothian]

Scott Brown confirmed at Ayr

Best of luck to him, anyone that goes into management is better off starting at a small club, I'm not sure if Ayr only wanted him because of his name though rather than his ability as a manager.

[Lancs Harp]

Michael Appleton sacked by charlton. Wasn't he linked with us at one time?

Dodged a mega bullet not appointing Appleton. Like LJ if your clubs appointing these guys the guys making the appointment need a rocket.

[He's here!]

Best of luck to him, anyone that goes into management is better off starting at a small club, I'm not sure if Ayr only wanted him because of his name though rather than his ability as a manager.

Anyone who goes into management is better gaining a non-football vocational qualification or training in another profession as the failure/sack rate is crazy. Pretty sure Paul Hanlon recently completed a business degree at uni which was a shrewd move.

In saying that the likes of Brown and particularly Rooney, Lampard etc won't be short of cash to cushion any sackings. In fact they probably don't really need to work.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'd love to see Brown do really well and get the Celtic job, then see him try and take Whittaker there as his assistant. :greengrin

[DinkyTwo]

My gut is telling me that Monty isn't far away from here.

It's sad because he's come with a good pedigree from the other side of the world, with a strong backroom team and seems to have had a positive impact on at least some of the players.

But let's face it, how many people go into a new job, with fixed ideas on how to do it, don't get results, refuse to change and stick around...


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[04Sauzee]

Not a sacking but Klopp announces he's leaving Liverpool at the end of the season.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Not a sacking but Sloppy announces he's leaving Liverpool at the end of the season.

Wow just seen this. As a United "fan" growing up, its been hard to watch as the landscape has changed over recent years and the job Klopp has done will ensure he goes down as one of the prem all time greatest managers

Wonder who will replace him. De Zerbi? Xabi Alonso?

[Cuikyhibs]

Not a sacking but Sloppy announces he's leaving Liverpool at the end of the season.

thats a big one that...wonder who will replace him

[Scorrie]

Alonso is the name being mentioned down here

[Paulie Walnuts]

Alonso is the name being mentioned down here

Alonso seems a no brainer. Zidane maybe?

Will be interesting to see how Liverpool do without him. For all that he’s done a great job, he’s not managed to win all that much. Could they get someone in to take them that next step of consistently winning trophies?

[04Sauzee]

Wow just seen this. As a United "fan" growing up, its been hard to watch as the landscape has changed over recent years and the job Klopp has done will ensure he goes down as one of the prem all time greatest managers

Wonder who will replace him. De Zerbi? Xabi Alonso?

Thanks for quoting my post, just realised it changed Klopp to Sloppy 😂😂😂 now edited.

[HendoDelivered]

Jesus man that’s broke my heart

[Winston Ingram]

My gut is telling me that Monty isn't far away from here.

It's sad because he's come with a good pedigree from the other side of the world, with a strong backroom team and seems to have had a positive impact on at least some of the players.

But let's face it, how many people go into a new job, with fixed ideas on how to do it, don't get results, refuse to change and stick around...


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We've hired a few. Hecky's refusal to play a holding midfield player. The irony with that one is when he took the Sheff United job he played 2.
Maloney insisted on playing a 343 and our teams spent 19 games passing the ball about the halfway line.
Butcher's insistance on playing the ball into the channels to get free-kicks and throws got us relegated

[Winston Ingram]

Wow just seen this. As a United "fan" growing up, its been hard to watch as the landscape has changed over recent years and the job Klopp has done will ensure he goes down as one of the prem all time greatest managers

Wonder who will replace him. De Zerbi? Xabi Alonso?

Monty:cool2:

[Lancs Harp]

Not a sacking issue but Klopp to leave Liverpool at the end of the season

[xbar81]

Not a sacking issue but Klopp to leave Liverpool at the end of the season


could do a job.:confused:

[Hibernia&Alba]

As a Man United fan I will be very glad to see the back of Klopp. Superb manager, Liverpool have a big job trying to replace him. Hopefully, they struggle for a few years, like United post-Fergie. The Liverpool board is far more competent than United’s, so they have a better chance of making a successful transition. Still, the news has made my day. :agree:

Cheerio tae porcelain mooth :bye::bye:

[Hibernia&Alba]

could do a job.:confused:

I would give him a chance up here.

[Lancs Harp]

He came put with a classic line

"Im a normal guy, I just dont live a normal life. I'd like to give it a go before Im too old"

[Scouse Hibee]

Absolutely gutted and shocked about Klopp.

[Hibernia&Alba]

He came put with a classic line

"Im a normal guy, I just dont live a normal life. I'd like to give it a go before Im too old"

He seems a really good bloke. If he wasn’t Liverpool manager, I might like him :greengrin:greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Wonder why Klopp was announced now

[Hibernia&Alba]

Absolutely gutted and shocked about Klopp.

Aye, big blow for your fans. He is a great manager.

[Scouse Hibee]

Wonder why Klopp was announced now

The extra motivation to push on and win everything 😀

[JimBHibees]

The extra motivation to push on win everything 😀

Or derail a good season 😄

[Lancs Harp]

Think he just didnt want to get to the end of the season and say thats it for me Im off. He thought it was fairer to everyone to call it now.

[JimBHibees]

Alonso is the name being mentioned down here

Chat of him for Real

[JimBHibees]

Think he just didnt want to get to the end of the season and say thats it for me Im off. He thought it was fairer to everyone to call it now.

Seems fair enough

[Hibernia&Alba]

Think he just didnt want to get to the end of the season and say thats it for me Im off. He thought it was fairer to everyone to call it now.

I would imagine so. He wants to be honest about his situation and not have it leak out,

[Hibernia&Alba]

Is he retiring, just taking a break or what?

[xbar81]

I would give him a chance up here.

hahah we couldn't afford his train fare

[ian cruise]

I would imagine so. He wants to be honest about his situation and not have it leak out,

Once they start a short list of candidates it would have got out. As you say, better he is the one to share his news.

[JimBHibees]

hahah we couldn't afford his train fare

Think we probably could 😄

[Hibernia&Alba]

Once they start a short list of candidates it would have got out. As you say, better he is the one to share his news.

Yes, very few managers get to leave a big club on their own terms; the vast majority of the time it’s the sack. Klopp will leave as a Liverpool legend.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Think we probably could 😄

if he gets an advance discount ticket, non-refundable. :greengrin

[Paulie Walnuts]

Think he just didnt want to get to the end of the season and say thats it for me Im off. He thought it was fairer to everyone to call it now.

:agree:

Will let Liverpool sound out the next man. I’d be stunned if it’s not Alonso tbh.

[Iain G]

Once they start a short list of candidates it would have got out. As you say, better he is the one to share his news.

LJ's next job 😁

[weecounty hibby]

Wonder why Klopp was announced now

He read on here that folk want Monty out and he is making himself available

[Steven79]

I would give him a chance up here.Yeah but he's not Scottish so wouldn't stand a chance...

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[Scouse Hibee]

Yeah but he's not Scottish so wouldn't stand a chance...

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Also he has no knowledge or experience of Scottish football.

[Northernhibee]

Alonso is the name being mentioned down here

Seen Leverkusen play Ferencvarosi in the Europa League back in March and they were a seriously impressive team. So clinical and well drilled. Ferencvarosi didn’t stand a chance.

[heretoday]

Also he has no knowledge or experience of Scottish football.

And that's vital.

I reckon Klopp's not well.
He certainly comes across as a bit of a nutcase sometimes.

[Auckland Hibs]

Rumours on social media that Robson has left Aberdeen

[Smartie]

I've got loads of respect for Klopp leaving like this.

Don't tarnish it by going on too long, by going through the motions or by giving a club anything less than your best, which is what happens when you burn out.

He can have a final push to finish his tenure in style, walk away with his head held high and leave a club in good condition for the next person to take over.

Total respect for him from me, although I can understand why the Liverpool fans will be gutted.

[xbar81]

Rumours on social media that Robson has left Aberdeen

klop and robson swapping places?

[WhileTheChief..]

I've got loads of respect for Klopp leaving like this.

Don't tarnish it by going on too long, by going through the motions or by giving a club anything less than your best, which is what happens when you burn out.

He can have a final push to finish his tenure in style, walk away with his head held high and leave a club in good condition for the next person to take over.

Total respect for him from me, although I can understand why the Liverpool fans will be gutted.

Totally agree.

Thinking back to his first press conference when he called himself "the ordinary one", he's been class throughout his time at Liverpool.

Can't think of any controversy around him and he pretty much always had an air of positivity about him. His team were generally a good watch.

He'll continue to be successful wherever he ends up I'd imagine.

[JimBHibees]

Totally agree.

Thinking back to his first press conference when he called himself "the ordinary one", he's been class throughout his time at Liverpool.

Can't think of any controversy around him and he pretty much always had an air of positivity about him. His team were generally a good watch.

He'll continue to be successful wherever he ends up I'd imagine.

The normal one

[overdrive]

Rumours on social media that Robson has left Aberdeen

Which social media? I can’t see anything to X except an Aberdeen fans page posting a joke about it.

[BILLYHIBS]

Xavi announces he will leave Barcelona at the end of the season 👀

Flashscore

[jacomo]

I've got loads of respect for Klopp leaving like this.

Don't tarnish it by going on too long, by going through the motions or by giving a club anything less than your best, which is what happens when you burn out.

He can have a final push to finish his tenure in style, walk away with his head held high and leave a club in good condition for the next person to take over.

Total respect for him from me, although I can understand why the Liverpool fans will be gutted.


He’s been there 8 years, very few managers would get the chance to choose their departure like this. I think it’s a luxury only available to those at the very top of the game.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Xavi announces he will leave Barcelona at the end of the season 👀

Flashscore

How about Barcelona to hold the job open for Klopp? :cb

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

How about Barcelona to hold the job open for Klopp? :cb

What about pep heading back to barca in the summer before all the city charges kick in and they get hit with relegation and/or transfer bans and klopp going to Madrid?

[Hibernia&Alba]

What about pep heading back to barca in the summer before all the city charges kick in and they get hit with relegation and/or transfer bans and klopp going to Madrid?

It’s a good theory. Would he return to Germany and join Bayern Munich? It seems a lot of Bayern fans aren’t impressed with Tuchel. :cb

[ScottB]

I believe Klopp when he says he’s knackered and wants a break, he did the same after Dortmund, and he’s obviously a good bit older and all the things that have happened since.

Sooner or later, regardless of how much you love a job and how good you are at it, the desire to keep going is going to lose out to the desire to just relax for a bit, especially when you’ve got the cash to make that possible. He’s won everything going, and really, as much as we say modern football, especially down south, is probably getting a bit much for the players, how manager keep going into their 60’s etc is also going to be an increasing struggle surely.

I’d expect him to take a decent while off then probably pop up as Germany manager at some point, assuming he decides to return to the game, that would be the ideal role if his heart is no longer in it as far as being ‘full time’ goes.

[Auckland Hibs]

Which social media? I can’t see anything to X except an Aberdeen fans page posting a joke about it.

It was a link to the BBC Sports page but it looks like a hoax.

Although, after another loss yesterday he's probably not far away from being emptied.

[Callum_62]

Won't be surprised at all to see Martindale step down

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[DinkyTwo]

It’s a good theory. Would he return to Germany and join Bayern Munich? It seems a lot of Bayern fans aren’t impressed with Tuchel. :cb
What about pep heading back to barca in the summer before all the city charges kick in and they get hit with relegation and/or transfer bans and klopp going to Madrid?
How about Barcelona to hold the job open for Klopp? :cbJust wait until you find out who the new Aberdeen manager is

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[Stevie Reid]

I believe Klopp when he says he’s knackered and wants a break, he did the same after Dortmund, and he’s obviously a good bit older and all the things that have happened since.

Sooner or later, regardless of how much you love a job and how good you are at it, the desire to keep going is going to lose out to the desire to just relax for a bit, especially when you’ve got the cash to make that possible. He’s won everything going, and really, as much as we say modern football, especially down south, is probably getting a bit much for the players, how manager keep going into their 60’s etc is also going to be an increasing struggle surely.

I’d expect him to take a decent while off then probably pop up as Germany manager at some point, assuming he decides to return to the game, that would be the ideal role if his heart is no longer in it as far as being ‘full time’ goes.

He’s definitely a different character now to what he was when he first came in. He was quite effervescent when he first arrived in England, good humoured and good value in interviews. For the last couple of years he’s really annoyed me, gets quite ill tempered a lot, and is forever complaining about something (hardly unique amongst managers tbf).

Have seen high pressure jobs do that to people before - Strachan used to be a proper comedian in his interviews down south, and turned into a right miserable ******* when he was Celtic manager. Even Mourinho used to have quite a wry sense of humour, but that went south along with his legacy.

However, much as I was saying he annoyed me of late, he’s still a huge character to lose from the EPL - and I’ll miss watching his Liverpool teams at their best.

I wonder if this will have an indirect impact on how long Pep will stay at City for as well.

[ScottB]

He’s definitely a different character now to what he was when he first came in. He was quite effervescent when he first arrived in England, good humoured and good value in interviews. For the last couple of years he’s really annoyed me, gets quite ill tempered a lot, and is forever complaining about something (hardly unique amongst managers tbf).

Have seen high pressure jobs do that to people before - Strachan used to be a proper comedian in his interviews down south, and turned into a right miserable ******* when he was Celtic manager. Even Mourinho used to have quite a wry sense of humour, but that went south along with his legacy.

However, much as I was saying he annoyed me of late, he’s still a huge character to lose from the EPL - and I’ll miss watching his Liverpool teams at their best.

I wonder if this will have an indirect impact on how long Pep will stay at City for as well.

Could go either way, Pep has already jokingly said it’ll be easier without him, so staying on another while likely means more titles, but equally, he seems like the sort of guy that wants to test himself against the best and likes having a rival to push against. I don’t think either side would have achieved as much without the other, and I doubt the challenge of Ten Haag or Arteta will be quite the same for him…

[eastmainsmsh]

Klippity Klopp for Man U ?

[J-C]

Klippity Klopp for Man U ?

After hell freezes over.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Klippity Klopp for Man U ?


That would be a no :greengrin

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Won't be surprised at all to see Martindale step down

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To be in the frame for the Barcelona job? At least the top tiers of the ground would see more of the ball.

[Since452]

To be in the frame for the Barcelona job? At least the top tiers of the ground would see more of the ball.

Wouldn't go to Barcelona. Couldn't bleat on about having the lowest budget in the world.

[Sloop67]

Xavi announces he will leave Barcelona at the end of the season 👀

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After their performance last night I'd guess there will be some hoping it was sooner

[Is It On....]

Xavi announces he will leave Barcelona at the end of the season 👀

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Obviously worried that Klopp had got a head start on him if the Hibs job is available

[Billy Whizz]

Darren Moore sacked at Huddersfield, bet they regret getting rid of Warnock