Managerial Sack Race

[cabbageandribs1875]

from yesterday Paul Heckingbottom slams Sheffield United's owner for picking money over football (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/paul-heckingbottom-slams-sheffield-united-s-owner-for-picking-money-over-football/ar-AA1kXk6n?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a47f854a067f4d19bb3f6a7c2620b5ed&ei=185)


there Saudi owner Prince Abdullah is trying to sell the club, probably why he didn't want to land the club with more debt

must have got fed up with his play toy football club

[Sloop67]

Looks like the trap door is opening

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66908227

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

NaiBadges gets Manager of the Month

[Musselbound]

Unofficially official I reckon. Most outlets reporting he'll be gone today. Sounds as though it's done and probably just formalising terms as it appears their ex boss Chris Wilder is coming straight in to replace Hecky

Would be quite an odd appointment as Sheff Utd parted company with Wilder a few years ago when they were bottom of the Premier League. Talk about back to the future!

[PatHead]

NaiBadges gets Manager of the Month

Fair enough they have won four games on the spin. The good news is that it will keep him in a job for longer.

[Sloop67]

Another one bites the dust , Swansea City part company with their manager

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67618235

[MWHIBBIES]

Fair enough they have won four games on the spin. The good news is that it will keep him in a job for longer.

Why is that good news? They're 3rd. Id like them struggling and him sacked.

[04Sauzee]

Tony Mowbray sacked by Sunderland.

[Donegal Hibby]

Why is that good news? They're 3rd. Id like them struggling and him sacked.

Rather see him remain in charge at hertz , Don't think he's very good and imo he will get found out sooner or later . Later would probably be the best too .

[JohnM1875]

Tony Mowbray sacked by Sunderland.

Wow, three points off the playoffs. Didn’t see that coming. Was speaking to a Sunderland fan in the pub after the game yesterday and he was he was saying he was happy they got Mowbray in and he’s steadied the ship

[Carheenlea]

Tony Mowbray sacked by Sunderland.

Thought he was very popular with the fans too?

[Bishop Hibee]

Tony Mowbray sacked by Sunderland.

Fans split. Some think it’s ridiculous and a panic before the derby, others think he’d taken them as far as he could. Hard to see anyone doing better unless they are given a lot of money to strengthen the squad.

[Donegal Hibby]

Sheff Utd rumoured to be about to sack there manager who got them promoted, now Sunderland sack there manager who are 3 points outside the play-offs, coincidence ? 🤔

[eastmainsmsh]

Sheff Utd rumoured to be about to sack there manager who got them promoted, now Sunderland sack there manager who are 3 points outside the play-offs, coincidence ? 🤔

Heck to Sunderland ?

[WeeRussell]

Heck to Sunderland ?

I prefer ‘**** Sunderland’ but your milder version is okay too.

[HoboHarry]

I prefer ‘**** Sunderland’ but your milder version is okay too.

:greengrin:top marks

[He's here!]

Tony Mowbray sacked by Sunderland.

That seems an absurd decision. Been doing a good job there and still very much in the mix for a play-off spot.

[He's here!]

Rather see him remain in charge at hertz , Don't think he's very good and imo he will get found out sooner or later . Later would probably be the best too .

Absolutely. We don't want them getting somebody half decent in. Naismith was on the brink but a series of 1-0 grindfests featuring barely a shot on target (an OG and a deflected winner got them over the line in their last two games) has kept him just about safe. I'm happy for them to stick with him.

[jacomo]

That seems an absurd decision. Been doing a good job there and still very much in the mix for a play-off spot.


Sunderland might be the worst run club in Britain. I don’t know why any manager would go there.

[Musselbound]

There's at least one Sheff Utd fan on the BBC website who wants Montgomery so let's hope Wilder does get the gig if Hecky goes!

[heretoday]

Heck and Mowbray won't be out of work for long.

[worcesterhibby]

Heck and Mowbray won't be out of work for long.

Probably the best thing that could have happened to Heck - it must have been a joyless job trying to get results with that team each week and having to stand and give interviews after yet another defeat, you have to be a very strong character indeed not to find that situation very, very stressfull. He will get a decent pay-off and his reputation as a manager( championship level and below) is relatively intact.

The Mowbray one is weird though. But then Sunderland are :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Tony Mowbray sacked by Sunderland.

On the face of it that seems ridiculous was very close to getting the play off final. Not really a handle how well they have done this season however very unfair imo

[Dmas]

Probably the best thing that could have happened to Heck - it must have been a joyless job trying to get results with that team each week and having to stand and give interviews after yet another defeat, you have to be a very strong character indeed not to find that situation very, very stressfull. He will get a decent pay-off and his reputation as a manager( championship level and below) is relatively intact.

The Mowbray one is weird though. But then Sunderland are :greengrin

I don’t know what Sheff Utd fans and owners expect and clubs like them actually who find themselves promoted and struggling the following season the gap is massive, the successful manager whoever it may be gets 6 months in job after leading the club up and gets punted labelled not good enough for prem and has to start in championship or below again to get another 6 month pop at it if he’s lucky, it’s no surprise English coaches win nothing these days there never given a chance to build anything of note to progress a career

[Donegal Hibby]

Really nice statement from Hecky and seems to be well respected by the blades fans .
Always liked hecky , wish him well .
https://www.s24su.com/forum/threads/hecky-class-act.98105/

[Crunchie]

Really nice statement from Hecky and seems to be well respected by the blades fans .
Always liked hecky , wish him well .
https://www.s24su.com/forum/threads/hecky-class-act.98105/
As did I, fine margins and all that.

[Caversham Green]

Sunderland might be the worst run club in Britain. I don’t know why any manager would go there.

I fear Reading have overtaken them in that department.

[Smartie]

Sunderland have been where they've been over the past few seasons because of some appalling decision making but sacking Mowbray at this time has to be up there with the worst of those decisions.

I'm pretty sure there will be a very direct correlation that can be drawn between clubs who enjoy relative footballing success and boards of directors who manage to ride out a bit of noise rather than pander to the angry mob at the first sign of disquiet from the usual suspects.

[J-C]

I wonder if something has gone on behind the scenes re Mowbray, strange decision. Feel sorry for Hecky, got promoted then they sell the better players without re investing, on a hiding to nothing in that league.

[Mcbizz1998]

Kettlewell must be on a shoogly now surely? Wasn't log ago he was being touted on here as a possible Hibs manager, looks like we dodged a bullet.

[Crunchie]

Kettlewell must be on a shoogly now surely? Wasn't log ago he was being touted on here as a possible Hibs manager, looks like we dodged a bullet.
You only have to put a few results together and you're touted for the Hibs job on here by some :wink:

[Scottie]

I fear Reading have overtaken them in that department.
Whats happened to Reading ? When Madjedski was owner weren't they punching above their weight. Hope the carrot crunchers can get back up soon :greengrin

[Caversham Green]

Whats happened to Reading ? When Madjedski was owner weren't they punching above their weight. Hope the carrot crunchers can get back up soon :greengrin

That's a long and sad story. Just a series of terrible owners after Madejski sold the club to a Russian crook. They're now in the hands of a Chinese "billionaire" who can't pay the wages or HMRC and has already killed off two other clubs. There's talk of a buy out now (Mike Ashley seems interested :rolleyes:) but it would come as no surprise if they became Dai Yongge's third victim.

[Donegal Hibby]

Reading there that Neil Lennon is the favourite to succeed Kettlewell at Motherwell , doesn't seem to be any jobs that Lennon's not linked with now . Stuart McCall , Jack Ross , Scott Brown just a few of the names mentioned . 12 games without a win and 8 of them defeats . You'd think Motherwell must be about to act at this stage.

[Crunchie]

Reading there that Neil Lennon is the favourite to succeed Kettlewell at Motherwell , doesn't seem to be any jobs that Lennon's not linked with now . Stuart McCall , Jack Ross , Scott Brown just a few of the names mentioned . 12 games without a win and 8 of them defeats . You'd think Motherwell must be about to act at this stage.
It's maybe a money thing, I'm amazed he wasn't punted after last night.

[bingo70]

Reading there that Neil Lennon is the favourite to succeed Kettlewell at Motherwell , doesn't seem to be any jobs that Lennon's not linked with now . Stuart McCall , Jack Ross , Scott Brown just a few of the names mentioned . 12 games without a win and 8 of them defeats . You'd think Motherwell must be about to act at this stage.

Weird that he’s struggling when he knows Scottish football as well.

[Donegal Hibby]

It's maybe a money thing, I'm amazed he wasn't punted after last night.

So am I , they were really bad last night , Ross county could easily have had another two or three goals. I think if he doesn't win on Saturday at home to St Johnstone it will probably be his last game . Fancy saints to get least a draw too!.

[Heisenberg]

Weird that he’s struggling when he knows Scottish football as well.

😂😂😂

[Lago]

Weird that he’s struggling when he knows Scottish football as well.
Naughty :greengrin

[Since452]

Kettlewell sounds like he's graduated with top honours from the school of sounding as much like a football manager as is humanly possible. He just opens his mouth and lets it come out without really knowing what he's saying.

[WhileTheChief..]

Motherwell started the season really well no? I think Hearts fans were even considering Kettlewell as a replacement for Naismith at one stage.

Shows how quickly things can change, Maybe the 'well board feels he deserves more time, but I'd imagine he'll be gone soon.

Another non-manager trying to be a manager, Steven Hammell was the same.

Clubs really need to stop going for the cheap option. It would probably cost them less in the wrong run if they appointed actual managers in the first place!

[badabing67]

Kettlewell must be on a shoogly now surely? Wasn't log ago he was being touted on here as a possible Hibs manager, looks like we dodged a bullet.

And another bullet with Robinson, and I'm so please we never went for McInnes

[WhileTheChief..]

Kettlewell sounds like he's graduated with top honours from the school of sounding as much like a football manager as is humanly possible. He just opens his mouth and lets it come out without really knowing what he's saying.

Yup, same with Steven MacLean at St Johnstone.

He went from being a player with no managerial experience to an expert manager that knew it all within 24 hrs.

He would talk about the psychology of players and what was needed etc as if he'd been managing for decades.

It was clear as day he didn't understand what he was saying, and was trying to regurgitate stuff he heard Ferguson or Wenger say on the telly back in the day. Never a manager in a million years.

The top flight in Scotland has been littered with them the last 5 - 10 years.

[zitelli62]

Robson must be on a shoogglie peg now I think cup final then gone.

[Scottie]

Robson must be on a shoogglie peg now I think cup final then gone.
Maybe he won’t get the cup final like Jack Ross with us :dunno:

[He's here!]

Robson must be on a shoogglie peg now I think cup final then gone.

Fingers crossed he can eke out a win over the yams this weekend to keep him in a job a bit longer.

[Donegal Hibby]

Fingers crossed he can eke out a win over the yams this weekend to keep him in a job a bit longer.

The longer both Robson and naebadges are at Aberdeen and hertz the better it will be for us imo

[CapitalGreen]

And another bullet with Robinson, and I'm so please we never went for McInnes

I think Monty broke Robinson when we pumped them out the cup, their form has been awful since then. 8 points from 30 and 10th in the form table over that period. Definitely dodged a bullet there.

[erin go bragh]

Robson and Kettlewell are neck and neck for the chop but can see Naebadges making a late charge 👋

[BSEJVT]

I think there is more to it than all these guys have suddenly become crap managers.

I think there is a real dumbing down of the level of the league that has been under way for at least a couple of years and that there are a good few clubs out there struggling badly financially which is dragging their quality down substantially.

You will always get this year's surprise packages, good and bad but I think that the league will increasingly form up on financial terms more than it has done for decades going forward, with the gruesome twosome, stretching ever further into the distance.

[EastStandGates]

Dunno why people think Naismith is any danger currently?

3rd in the league with a game in hand to us and the Saints. Team nearest to them in a bit of a free-fall, team that finished 3rd last season and nearest to Hearts financially currently in the relegation zone.

If Hearts beat Aberdeen at the weekend then Robson will be lucky to see Hampden the following weekend. If we beat Livi then Martindale will be out too IMO. There's little to no loyalty in football, even more so at Livi when relegation will put them in complete financial meltdown. If they can't afford to operate in the topflight with huge away supports from OF and large away supports from us and Hearts, along with decent TV money (compared to the championship anyway), they'll struggle massively in the lower leagues. Extra incentive for Saturday!

[Donegal Hibby]

Dunno why people think Naismith is any danger currently?

3rd in the league with a game in hand to us and the Saints. Team nearest to them in a bit of a free-fall, team that finished 3rd last season and nearest to Hearts financially currently in the relegation zone.

If Hearts beat Aberdeen at the weekend then Robson will be lucky to see Hampden the following weekend. If we beat Livi then Martindale will be out too IMO. There's little to no loyalty in football, even more so at Livi when relegation will put them in complete financial meltdown. If they can't afford to operate in the topflight with huge away supports from OF and large away supports from us and Hearts, along with decent TV money (compared to the championship anyway), they'll struggle massively in the lower leagues. Extra incentive for Saturday!

It's not that long ago they had a poll on there forum were 73% wanted naebadges out , think there was also rumours about unrest in the dressing room due to his methods too .

Though the last while that's seemed to have died down due to them winning a few games and him picking up the MotM award . The wins have only been by a single goal and in a few games they were bloody lucky imo .

I think Livvy might just stick with Martindale even if they go down . Robson and Kettlewell could be sacked this weekend depending on there results . Aberdeen lose to hertz and Motherwell lose to Saints could see both gone . I hope both Aberdeen and Motherwell win though , the longer bad managers last at rival clubs the better for us 👍

[Iain G]

So is it Kettlewell or Robson next to be fired?

[HoboHarry]

So is it Kettlewell or Robson next to be fired?
Yes.

[Donegal Hibby]

Aberdeen fans have a poll done on Robson and 90% want him out which is pretty unanimous. Also have a thread on wither they should go for Tony Mowbray as well , Lennon mentioned a few times too with some quite keen which i think is surprising.

[Bridge hibs]

Aberdeen fans have a poll done on Robson and 90% want him out which is pretty unanimous. Also have a thread on wither they should go for Tony Mowbray as well , Lennon mentioned a few times too with some quite keen which i think is surprising.

I would hate Mowbray to go there as I think he is levels above what they have and have previously had, Im sure though he will be after another championship pop

[Donegal Hibby]

I would hate Mowbray to go there as I think he is levels above what they have and have previously had, Im sure though he will be after another championship pop

Don't think they'd have any chance of getting Mowbray tbh , Aberdeen fans living in a fantasy world as usual. Agree Mowbray will stay in the championship too 👍

[BILLYHIBS]

So frustrating

This is all one big fluke I tell ye !

[Lago]

Heckingbottom being quoted for the Sunderland job

[Dmas]

Alex Neil looks to be on a shoogly peg at Stoke not going well at all natives are very restless

[The Modfather]

Who will last longer, Johnson or Ten Hag?

[Northernhibee]

Fleetwood Town’s last five results:

0-3, 0-3, 0-4, 0-3, 0-3.

Lee Johnson’s jacket on a shoogly peg yet?

[ScottB]

Who will last longer, Johnson or Ten Hag?

Ten Hag presumably safe until Ineos take over at the least…

[He's here!]

Fleetwood Town’s last five results:

0-3, 0-3, 0-4, 0-3, 0-3.

Lee Johnson’s jacket on a shoogly peg yet?

He got them several quick wins after they looked relegation bound under Scott Brown, so they're still very much in touch with the teams sitting above the bottom four. Likely to pick up again if the 'streaky' tag is maintained.

[JimBHibees]

Fleetwood Town’s last five results:

0-3, 0-3, 0-4, 0-3, 0-3.

Lee Johnson’s jacket on a shoogly peg yet?

What a terrible run that is

[WeeRussell]

Yup, same with Steven MacLean at St Johnstone.

He went from being a player with no managerial experience to an expert manager that knew it all within 24 hrs.

He would talk about the psychology of players and what was needed etc as if he'd been managing for decades.

It was clear as day he didn't understand what he was saying, and was trying to regurgitate stuff he heard Ferguson or Wenger say on the telly back in the day. Never a manager in a million years.

The top flight in Scotland has been littered with them the last 5 - 10 years.

What would you expect any manager to come out with though? He’s unlikely to say “I’m no really sure what’s required here as I’ve just started” and a good, long career as a professional player at a number of clubs playing with hundreds of different players, as well as his coaching work, surely gives him some sort of idea of what’s needed and how player psychology works?

It didn’t work out for him, and I’m not even arguing that management is necessarily for him, but I think Stevie is honest and hard working and wasn’t just pretending to be a manager.

It’s not a new thing or unique to Scotland for long servants of clubs to take over as their first management role. Sometimes they do well, sometimes they don’t.

[Forza Fred]

Kevin Muscat has just left Japan with no as yet, advice as to where he goes next.

Could it be Hearts I wonder?

[Since452]

Kevin Muscat has just left Japan with no as yet, advice as to where he goes next.

Could it be Hearts I wonder?

Don't Hearts have a manager already?

[WeeRussell]

Kevin Muscat has just left Japan with no as yet, advice as to where he goes next.

Could it be Hearts I wonder?

Sounds like a good fit.

[EskbankHibby]

I’d sack Naismith purely based on how he wears his winter jacket.

Can’t trust a man who puts his hands in the chest pockets.

[WeeRussell]

I’d sack Naismith purely based on how he wears his winter jacket.

Can’t trust a man who puts his hands in the chest pockets.

I’d sack him for being a horrible wee hearts prick… but I guess that wouldn’t be logical for hearts to do.

[Keepthefaith]

Kevin Muscat has just left Japan with no as yet, advice as to where he goes next.

Could it be Hearts I wonder?

isn't he being touted for jobs in the English championship? Sunderland being one of them?

[Is It On....]

Fleetwood Town’s last five results:

0-3, 0-3, 0-4, 0-3, 0-3.

Lee Johnson’s jacket on a shoogly peg yet?

Rooney has 1 league win in 8 since taking over at Birmingham City and that was against Sheffield Wednesday (2nd bottom), a draw against Rotherham (bottom) and a draw against Ipswich's (2nd).

[Is It On....]

Don't Hearts have a manager already?

Nope..they have two 👍😂

[heretoday]

Rooney has 1 league win in 8 since taking over at Birmingham City and that was against Sheffield Wednesday (2nd bottom), a draw against Rotherham (bottom) and a draw against Ipswich's (2nd).

Once his employers stop being hypnotised by his celebrity he'll get the heave and someone more experienced like Mowbray will take over. The sooner the better.

[eastmainsmsh]

Wonder if Ian Murray is catching eye of some clubs struggling in Spl doing great at Raith

[WhileTheChief..]

What would you expect any manager to come out with though? He’s unlikely to say “I’m no really sure what’s required here as I’ve just started” and a good, long career as a professional player at a number of clubs playing with hundreds of different players, as well as his coaching work, surely gives him some sort of idea of what’s needed and how player psychology works?

It didn’t work out for him, and I’m not even arguing that management is necessarily for him, but I think Stevie is honest and hard working and wasn’t just pretending to be a manager.

It’s not a new thing or unique to Scotland for long servants of clubs to take over as their first management role. Sometimes they do well, sometimes they don’t.

He could talk about what he does know and understand?

This is his interview the day before he got sacked. How could he possibly expect his players to play for him after that?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67246397

In the last few years most of these wannabe managers have failed.

In the league right now we've got Hearts, Aberdeen and Motherwell on the verge of changing managers again (or at least there's grumblings about it from their fan bases).

The one thing they have in common is that they managers with zero experience.

[greenlex]

Wonder if Ian Murray is catching eye of some clubs struggling in Spl doing great at Raith
He should be. Rhys McCabe has Airdrie punching above their weight by playing football the right way too.

[WeeRussell]

He could talk about what he does know and understand?

This is his interview the day before he got sacked. How could he possibly expect his players to play for him after that?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67246397

In the last few years most of these wannabe managers have failed.

In the league right now we've got Hearts, Aberdeen and Motherwell on the verge of changing managers again (or at least there's grumblings about it from their fan bases).

The one thing they have in common is that they managers with zero experience.

And in what part of that interview does he say anything about something he doesn’t understand? Ill advised and over the top, maybe. But what does he say that’s incorrect or him trying to be Fergie? If anything he was too honest as his assessment appeared spot-on (even the bit about them not playing for him again 😁)

Hibs have sacked a manager with a lot of managerial experience, rangers sacked Beale with ample coaching experience. Malky Mackay got punted recently. That’s off the top of my head (anyone else gone?)… so the managers that have been emptied in this league so far all have experience?

Neither hearts or Aberdeen are about to sack their managers. Whether there’s comments on kickback or here, or not. Hearts could be third again in a matter of days, Aberdeen have a cup final to look forward to, and played in Europe this season thanks to Robson’s pretty phenomenal turnaround when he took over… Admittedly he might be gone early new year depending on how the next couple of weeks go.

Kettlewell is currently managing his second club.

Again, players moving into coaching and management roles isn’t unique to our league, and they don’t all fail. This “ex-players pretending to be managers” thing is just a nonsense line in my opinion. The vast majority of managers across the world are ex players and all have to start somewhere.

[Billy Whizz]

Queens Park Head Coach, Veldman sacked

https://queensparkfc.co.uk/veldman-leaves-queens-park/

[bingo70]

Alex Neil sacked by Stoke.

[WhileTheChief..]

And in what part of that interview does he say anything about something he doesn’t understand? Ill advised and over the top, maybe. But what does he say that’s incorrect or him trying to be Fergie? If anything he was too honest as his assessment appeared spot-on (even the bit about them not playing for him again 😁)

Hibs have sacked a manager with a lot of managerial experience, rangers sacked Beale with ample coaching experience. Malky Mackay got punted recently. That’s off the top of my head (anyone else gone?)… so the managers that have been emptied in this league so far all have experience?

Neither hearts or Aberdeen are about to sack their managers. Whether there’s comments on kickback or here, or not. Hearts could be third again in a matter of days, Aberdeen have a cup final to look forward to, and played in Europe this season thanks to Robson’s pretty phenomenal turnaround when he took over… Admittedly he might be gone early new year depending on how the next couple of weeks go.

Kettlewell is currently managing his second club.

Again, players moving into coaching and management roles isn’t unique to our league, and they don’t all fail. This “ex-players pretending to be managers” thing is just a nonsense line in my opinion. The vast majority of managers across the world are ex players and all have to start somewhere.

I think the examples I've given are all fair examples, and don't see how it's nonsense at all.

I just don't think a top flight club is where these guys should be learning their trade. I also fully accept that you will be able to name several examples where it has worked out well for them.

Anyways, it's no big deal, and doesn't affect us in the slightest.

Looking at other clubs' forums' though, they're kinda screaming out for more experienced managers. I totally see why, and wouldn't be wanting Robson to be given more time if I was a Dons fan for example.

[CapitalGreen]

Alex Neil sacked by Stoke.

Hopefully be in another job before Naismith or Robson get their jotters.

[Bridge hibs]

Hopefully be in another job before Naismith or Robson get their jotters.

He will be ready to take a bigger job than that pair, the Fleetwood job could be coming up soon

[Billy Whizz]

Hopefully be in another job before Naismith or Robson get their jotters.

Wonder if Sunderland fans would take him back

[Broken Gnome]

Hopefully be in another job before Naismith or Robson get their jotters.

Been a while since he actually succeeded in a job though?

Always had the air of a good appointment and a guaranteed place on most Championship shortlists, but there's a dwindling amount of actual achievement on his CV these days.

[CapitalGreen]

Been a while since he actually succeeded in a job though?

Always had the air of a good appointment and a guaranteed place on most Championship shortlists, but there's a dwindling amount of actual achievement on his CV these days.

Got Sunderland promoted last year before jumping ship to Stoke.

[Iain G]

Been a while since he actually succeeded in a job though?

Always had the air of a good appointment and a guaranteed place on most Championship shortlists, but there's a dwindling amount of actual achievement on his CV these days.

Another one of those weirdly inflated managers who seem to always get another job?

[Jones28]

Another one of those weirdly inflated managers who seem to always get another job?

Sunderland promotion when numerous others failed.

AN is a good manager, I’d have loved Hibs to go for him had timing worked out.

[Broken Gnome]

Sunderland promotion when numerous others failed.

AN is a good manager, I’d have loved Hibs to go for him had timing worked out.Fair enough, forgot about that.

When he had that post-Hamilton and Preston high then I'd have loved him at Hibs and would've seen him as a potential Scotland manager. Time just seems to have left him as quite an uninspiring and unexciting manager, from the lazy outside eye.

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[JimBHibees]

Got Sunderland promoted last year before jumping ship to Stoke.

Strange decision that. Didn't understand it

[Northernhibee]

He got them several quick wins after they looked relegation bound under Scott Brown, so they're still very much in touch with the teams sitting above the bottom four. Likely to pick up again if the 'streaky' tag is maintained.

Check out his latest overview on the Fleetwood Town Facebook page. Same egotistical pish about having managed big clubs and impenetrable waffle.

Thank god we’ve got Monty.

[Gordy M]

Stoke fans saying he one of the worst managers they have had!! And thats been quite a list of rubbish. They are delighted he is away.

[CapitalGreen]

Strange decision that. Didn't understand it

Probably more money and closer to home if he was still Preston based.

[JimBHibees]

Probably more money and closer to home if he was still Preston based.

Fair enough

[Donegal Hibby]

Stoke fans saying he one of the worst managers they have had!! And thats been quite a list of rubbish. They are delighted he is away.

Preston fan I know didn't like him either , said he didn't like using wingers and it was generally a big hoof down the centre of the park !.

[eastmainsmsh]

Preston fan I know didn't like him either , said he didn't like using wingers and it was generally a big hoof down the centre of the park !.

Hamiltonesque should fit in well at pink bus shelter

[Sheffhibee]

Sunderland look to be about to announce Michael Beale as head coach. They sack Tony Mowbray and replace him with this clown, weird club 🤪

[jacomo]

Sunderland look to be about to announce Michael Beale as head coach. They sack Tony Mowbray and replace him with this clown, weird club 🤪


So true.

What an absolute nonsense.

[HoboHarry]

Steve Cooper sacked by Forest. Nuno Santos being lined for the next appointment.

[O'Rourke3]

Steve Cooper sacked by Forest. Nuno Santos being lined for the next appointment.Shame that. Got them there, a bit like Hecky.

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[J-C]

Steve Cooper sacked by Forest. Nuno Santos being lined for the next appointment.

It had been coming tbf, always hard for teams like this to compete in that league as Heckingbottom found out. Feel sorry for Cooper as the fans loved him but the owners looking at the monetary side of things.

[CockneyRebel]

Sunderland look to be about to announce Michael Beale as head coach. They sack Tony Mowbray and replace him with this clown, weird club 🤪

Unbelievable!

[CockneyRebel]

Steve Cooper sacked by Forest. Nuno Santos being lined for the next appointment.

Nuno hasn't exactly set the heather alight anywhere.

[HoboHarry]

Nuno hasn't exactly set the heather alight anywhere.
No disagreement from me but another of those who strangely don't seem to be out of a job for long though.

[Since90+2]

Nuno hasn't exactly set the heather alight anywhere.

He got Wolves promoted and then had them finishing 7th in the Premier League in his first season, getting them European football.

That's a very impressive thing to have on his CV for a club the size of Wolves.

[Bridge hibs]

No disagreement from me but another of those who strangely don't seem to be out of a job for long though.

If Cooper waits a wee bit he might be a good shout for the Forest job when they hit the Championship 😄

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Wee Lewis has been in and around the Hibs first team for about 12% of our existence. He's played for 39% of all our permanent managers.

[sleeping giant]

Wee Lewis has been in and around the Hibs first team for about 12% of our existence. He's played for 39% of all our permanent managers.

If that's accurate , that's incredible.

[Johnny Clash]

Steve Cooper sacked by Forest. Nuno Santos being lined for the next appointment.

Most Forest fans wanted Stevie Cooper to be given more time. His name was sung at every game and not a single ‘Cooper Out’ chant from supporters. A handful of keyboard warriors however were busy demanding he was sacked. The club’s recruitment policy was part of the problem. 43 new players over last three windows - bit of a scatter gun approach.

[CockneyRebel]

He got Wolves promoted and then had them finishing 7th in the Premier League in his first season, getting them European football.

That's a very impressive thing to have on his CV for a club the size of Wolves.



Fair enough. Just seemed a bit yo-yo to me.

[B.H.F.C]

Most Forest fans wanted Stevie Cooper to be given more time. His name was sung at every game and not a single ‘Cooper Out’ chant from supporters. A handful of keyboard warriors however were busy demanding he was sacked. The club’s recruitment policy was part of the problem. 43 new players over last three windows - bit of a scatter gun approach.

He’d won 1 in 13 to be fair. That kind of run gets most managers sacked.

[Lago]

Another day another new manager for Forest Green Rovers.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I feel sorry for Cooper at Forest. Another manager who got a team promoted for the first time in years, only to be emptied shortly after. Forest were clearly talking to Nino behind his back too. Of course it happens, but it’s shoddy.

[JimBHibees]

Another day another new manager for Forest Green Rovers.

Troy Deeney they seem to be going down the nutter ex centre forward route :greengrin

[Dmas]

I feel sorry for Cooper at Forest. Another manager who got a team promoted for the first time in years, only to be emptied shortly after. Forest were clearly talking to Nino behind his back too. Of course it happens, but it’s shoddy.

Seems he’s been swimming up stream a while with a lot of behind the scenes issues, agree though it’s almost not worth sticking around after getting a team promoted down there

[CropleyWasGod]

Ian Murray been given another 3 years at Rovers.

[Smartie]

Ian Murray been given another 3 years at Rovers.

I think he’s an excellent manager.

[Bridge hibs]

Ian Murray been given another 3 years at Rovers.

Tying up the compo for when the inevitable happens

[Since452]

Tying up the compo for when the inevitable happens

Yup. Protecting themselves. Be surprised if he's not the next Hibs manager

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Yup. Protecting themselves. Be surprised if he's not the next Hibs manager

Can’t see him at Hibs. Could go to Motherwell or similar sized club.

[Lago]

Ian Murray been given another 3 years at Rovers.
Raith will make money when he moves, as he will at some point.

[eastmainsmsh]

I think he’s an excellent manager.

Would’ve liked him after LJ left someday maybe be Hibs manager

[Northernhibee]

Fleetwood getting pumped at home against Bolton. LJ on a very shoogly peg.

[truehibernian]

Fleetwood getting pumped at home against Bolton. LJ on a very shoogly peg.

Hope their players and ground staff have their phones off tonight 🙈😂 he’ll be texting everyone how **** they are and how good a manager he is regardless 😛

[blackpoolhibs]

Fleetwood getting pumped at home against Bolton. LJ on a very shoogly peg.

Blackpool zoo must be closed?

[bingo70]

Lee Johnson sacked by Fleetwood

[Billy Whizz]

Lee Johnson sacked by Fleetwood

That must be some record, to be sacked twice in 4 months

[Iain G]

Lee Johnson sacked by Fleetwood

Oooh don't tell his uberfans on here, they will be burning their Fleetwood Mac records in protest 🤣

[Alex Trager]

Lee Johnson sacked by Fleetwood

Crazy scenes. He must have a superb agent.

[Exuberance1875]

Johnson gone, genuinely one of the worst managers we’ve ever had. Absolutely hopeless and ridiculously full of his own self importance.

[JohnM1875]

Lee Johnson sacked by Fleetwood

Said as soon as he took it I wouldn’t be surprise if he was sacked before new year. He needed to take time out. So not surprised at all he’s been punted.

Awful results get managers sacked.

[BILLYHIBS]

He truly was the David Brent of football

[Irish_Steve]

Johnson gone, genuinely one of the worst managers we’ve ever had. Absolutely hopeless and ridiculously full of his own self importance.

Wish he would get the Hearts job lol

[Greencore]

Lee Johnson sacked by Fleetwood

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Is It On....]

Said as soon as he took it I wouldn’t be surprise if he was sacked before new year. He needed to take time out. So not surprised at all he’s been punted.

Awful results get managers sacked.

Loss ratio

Hibs 46%
Fleetwood 46%

Sadly, they got what they should have expected. On the positive front, when he became Fleetwood manager, any contract liabilities we had with him would have been voided 👍

[1875M]

Guy will be minted from the amount of pay offs he’s had. Sacked by 2 teams before new year, must be some sort of record.

[SteveHFC]

Lee Johnson sacked by Fleetwood

😂😂😂

[Is It On....]

He truly was the David Brent of football

Are we allowed to call him that now? 😂

[Steven79]

Lee Johnson sacked by FleetwoodProbably been sacked more times than he's had league wins this season.

[emoji1787]

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[SHODAN]

Lol. Lmao

[The Modfather]

More fool the next club that fall for his chilled out entertainer act.

[Northernhibee]

Fleetwood board must have a fair bit of football intelligence

[jeffers]

The media in Fleetwood had it in for him, never got a proper chance. And their fans expected to beat Stevenage, Exeter, Cambridge and Peterborough. Mental.

[JohnM1875]

The media in Fleetwood had it in for him, never got a proper chance. And their fans expected to beat Stevenage, Exeter, Cambridge and Peterborough. Mental.

😂

[Iain G]

The media in Fleetwood had it in for him, never got a proper chance. And their fans expected to beat Stevenage, Exeter, Cambridge and Peterborough. Mental.

And it was because he was Scottish, they never took to him.

[greenlex]

And it was because he was Scottish, they never took to him.
Coming from a tin pit league etc blah blah.

[jeffers]

And it was because he was Scottish, they never took to him.

You are catching on :greengrin

[The Modfather]

Hilarity aside, I don’t think he even had a transfer window did he? Saying that it’s not like he’s coming into a mid table club and can build free from relegation fears. He came in to keep Fleetwood up and it was clear they were going to drop like a stone and if they want to stay up sacking him is their only choice.

[Scottie]

Bad news for us I was hoping he would come and sign some of the woeful players he signed for us in January :grr:

[WhileTheChief..]

Absolute imposter who caused damage every day he was here.

Massive told you so to everyone who backed him and wanted him to stay for a few seasons. Lesson learned hopefully :greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

Robson be next.

Everyone was certain they’d pick up once they were out of Europe but they’re pish, IMO.

[VoltaireHibs]

Robson be next.

Everyone was certain they’d pick up once they were out of Europe but they’re pish, IMO.

The thing is, if you look at their squad and the money they've spent, they have to be getting more out of them than he currently is. Can't see him lasting long now, if not gone tomorrow. Wonder if they'll give Neilson a shout, think he's currently in Tampa.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Unbelievable that some Hibs fans backed him even at the end and even more breathtaking that they cried their wee eyes out and set up a "thank you and good luck Lee thread" when he left.

Johnson was a slavering fool who had no respect for Hibs or Scottish football.

[SteveHFC]

Absolute imposter who caused damage every day he was here.

Massive told you so to everyone who backed him and wanted him to stay for a few seasons. Lesson learned hopefully :greengrin
.
Should have been sacked after losing to Hearts in the cup last season.

[B.H.F.C]

The thing is, if you look at their squad and the money they've spent, they have to be getting more out of them than he currently is. Can't see him lasting long now, if not gone tomorrow. Wonder if they'll give Neilson a shout, think he's currently in Tampa.

I think spending money is sometimes confused with buying quality in fairness. The big boy Runezic cost them very good money, for example, but he’s hopeless.

I don’t think they’re too dissimilar to us in that they’ve got quite an expensive squad, with some good players dotted about, but also a lot of crap.

[Iain G]

Unbelievable that some Hibs fans backed him even at the end and even more breathtaking that they cried their wee eyes out and set up a "thank you and good luck Lee thread" when he left.

Johnson was a slavering fool who had no respect for Hibs or Scottish football.

Not every one can be as clever as you it seems. Love these I told you so posts, don't know why people can't just let it go. He tried, he failed, we moved on.

[Carheenlea]

Reading Martindale’s post match comments about his players you’d have to assume he’s right on the edge of the trapdoor.

The Derek Adam’s school of motivation.

[BILLYHIBS]

Fleetwood Town announce Charlie Adam as Head Coach

[LaMotta]

Fleetwood Town announce Charlie Adam as Head Coach

Having listened to him on the Levein podcast I was surprisingly impressed with him. Think he could do well.

[Lancs Harp]

Having listened to him on the Levein podcast I was surprisingly impressed with him. Think he could do well.

He still lives on the Fylde coast so will suit him personally. Could hardly do worse than David Brent.

[VoltaireHibs]

Having listened to him on the Levein podcast I was surprisingly impressed with him. Think he could do well.

No one will do well at Fleetwood, they're a car crash of a club at the moment. Fair play to Adams for taking the gig, but for a first managerial job it's a very brave one. Mind you, if it goes pear shaped, which I think it will, he can always say 'Ah well, it was Fleetwood, managers graveyard.' And he'd pretty bang on.

[SJNB Hibby]

No one will do well at Fleetwood, they're a car crash of a club at the moment. Fair play to Adams for taking the gig, but for a first managerial job it's a very brave one. Mind you, if it goes pear shaped, which I think it will, he can always say 'Ah well, it was Fleetwood, managers graveyard.' And he'd pretty bang on.
Losing 1-0 away to Shrewsbury today

[Billy Whizz]

No one will do well at Fleetwood, they're a car crash of a club at the moment. Fair play to Adams for taking the gig, but for a first managerial job it's a very brave one. Mind you, if it goes pear shaped, which I think it will, he can always say 'Ah well, it was Fleetwood, managers graveyard.' And he'd pretty bang on.

Their chairman was jailed for 13 years for £15m fraud in the summer. Think he put the club up for sale, no idea if anyone bought them

[Since452]

Fleetwood Town announce Charlie Adam as Head Coach

At least there's another club out there who get it as consistently wrong as us. Maybe we can arrange a friendly and build a special relationship

[BILLYHIBS]

At least there's another club out there who get it as consistently wrong as us. Maybe we can arrange a friendly and build a special relationship

You might be on to something David Brent thought a few Fleetwood boys would walk into our team right enough

[eastmainsmsh]

Colchester job ?

[Stokesy's on fire]

Robson be next.

Everyone was certain they’d pick up once they were out of Europe but they’re pish, IMO.

Robson will be next

[Billy Whizz]

Sky sports news reporting that Wayne Rooney likely to be sacked today

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Sky sports news reporting that Wayne Rooney likely to be sacked today

Didn't they punt someone that had them sitting pretty comfortably for this failed experiment?

[Northernhibee]

Sky sports news reporting that Wayne Rooney likely to be sacked today

Could have held out for his three month stint at Fleetwood manager. It's a bit like jury duty, everyone has to take a turn.

[Northernhibee]

Didn't they punt someone that had them sitting pretty comfortably for this failed experiment?

I think they were in 6th, I could be wrong.

Absolutely delighted that they're now in a relegation scrap. Hopefully no manager worth their salt will touch it with a ten foot bargepole.

[chrisski33]

Wayne Rooney sacked

[Northernhibee]

Wayne Rooney sacked

He might need to take a step down for his next job and take on the Man United role.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So that’s Johnson and Rooney both sacked without a transfer window.

We’ve got plenty folk on here claiming we don’t deserve success, Foley shouldn’t bother investing in us etc as if we’re the only team that sack managers.

From the outside looking in, these two sackings looked like no brainer. Would be interesting to know what folk who are on the ‘how long before you criticise’ thread advocating 12 months, numerous windows etc think about these two sackings.

[Sloop67]

Gary Rowett being touted to make a return to Birmingham to replace Rooney who in my opinion should never have been given the job in the first place. It was a crazy decision to replace Eustsce.

[GloryGlory]

Gary Rowett being touted to make a return to Birmingham to replace Rooney who in my opinion should never have been given the job in the first place. It was a crazy decision to replace Eustsce.

The likes of Rooney and Frank Lampard may have been really good players in their day but why club owners think that translates into being competent to be head coaches is a mystery to me. I guess both Rooney and Lampard will still have a few nice little earners in future and be hired by some club chairmen blinded by their celebrity as players instead of the merits of their coaching ability.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Wayne Rooney sacked

Heard him after the Leeds game talking about new players in the window but nothing about himself doing better with what he already had.

[Scouse Hibee]

Some of the sackings and subsequent appointments have been bizarre to say the least.

[Hibernia&Alba]

He might need to take a step down for his next job and take on the Man United role.

Reported :greengrin

How many games was he at Brum for?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Reported :greengrin

How many games was he at Brum for?

15. Won 2, drew 4, lost 9. A grand total of 2 and a half months in post after getting a 3 and a half year contract!

[Sloop67]

The likes of Rooney and Frank Lampard may have been really good players in their day but why club owners think that translates into being competent to be head coaches is a mystery to me. I guess both Rooney and Lampard will still have a few nice little earners in future and be hired by some club chairmen blinded by their celebrity as players instead of the merits of their coaching ability.

Owners seem to think that a star name will keep the fans happy and sell season tickets and the like , same as Slippy Stevie at Ibrox. Theses appointments rarely work and usually end up in failure

[Hibernia&Alba]

15. Won 2, drew 4, lost 9. A grand total of 2 and a half months in post after getting a 3 and a half year contract!

Football is mad now. That said, we don’t know the full story. There might have been a huge bust up behind the scenes, for example; or perhaps Birmingham, having watched the guy work, decided he doesn’t know what he’s doing and they need to cut their losses quickly. The question would then be who appointed him? We just don’t know what goes on, but at face value it seems crazy. Two months?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Football is mad now. That said, we don’t know the full story. There might have been a huge bust up behind the scenes, for example; or perhaps Birmingham, having watched the guy work, decided he doesn’t know what he’s doing and they need to cut their losses quickly. The question would then be who appointed him? We just don’t know what goes on, but at face value it seems crazy. Two months?

It looks to me like it’s just a case of a terrible appointment and one that would see them relegated if they hold on any longer. Whilst it’s mental on the face of it that he’s been sacked after 2 and a half months, I genuinely would look at that and say that, with the very limited knowledge I have of the situation at Birmingham, they appear to have made the correct call.

Agree re the bit about who appointed him. Birmingham were probably as high in the league as they could have dreamed when they sacked their previous manager. If you do that and then appoint someone who’s proved as big a dud as Rooney has then you should probably be next.

[He's here!]

The likes of Rooney and Frank Lampard may have been really good players in their day but why club owners think that translates into being competent to be head coaches is a mystery to me. I guess both Rooney and Lampard will still have a few nice little earners in future and be hired by some club chairmen blinded by their celebrity as players instead of the merits of their coaching ability.

Birmingham made pretty much exactly the same mistake just a few years back, replacing a popular boss with Zola, who went on to win only a couple of games before being sacked.

[Carheenlea]

The windows for managers to grow into their clubs and implement their own identity and ideas are becoming smaller and smaller.

The whole idea of what football management actually entails probably needs to be changed now to reflect that.

You will perhaps need to arrive with a footballing philosophy of “win at all costs” rather than a will to play attractive football and pathways to first team for youth and longer term plans for team builds.

The game is becoming more desperate and less enjoyable.

[He's here!]

Football is mad now. That said, we don’t know the full story. There might have been a huge bust up behind the scenes, for example; or perhaps Birmingham, having watched the guy work, decided he doesn’t know what he’s doing and they need to cut their losses quickly. The question would then be who appointed him? We just don’t know what goes on, but at face value it seems crazy. Two months?

I think when we appointed Sauzee it quickly became clear he wasn't ready/cut out for the role and Petrie realised he'd made a mistake. Everyone was desperate for him to succeed but it was an appointment swayed by popular sentiment rather than common sense.

[He's here!]

The windows for managers to grow into their clubs and implement their own identity and ideas are becoming smaller and smaller.

The whole idea of what football management actually entails probably needs to be changed now to reflect that.

You will perhaps need to arrive with a footballing philosophy of “win at all costs” rather than a will to play attractive football and pathways to first team for youth and longer term plans for team builds.

The game is becoming more desperate and less enjoyable.

The days of managers being given time to build something over a number of years seem long gone. Alex Ferguson would have been sacked early on at Man U if he'd been working today.

Alex Miller's longevity at Hibs seems remarkable now.

[ScottB]

I think the suggestion was they wanted Rooney because he was a big name who would bring attention etc. if they weren’t winning games, the fans were hostile throughout and whatever attention they were hoping for didn’t appear, time to move on.

If they learn from it and appoint a proper manager, maybe it’ll be ok. If they go for another name instead, Lampard etc then could get very ugly!

[Springbank]

The days of managers being given time to build something over a number of years seem long gone. Alex Ferguson would have been sacked early on at Man U if he'd been working today.

Alex Miller's longevity at Hibs seems remarkable now.

I still resent the 80s board for not getting rid of Miller in 87 when it was already clear he was going to be an average 8th place guy, (twice ninth, and a decade outside the top 4)with defensive football & the world's worst approach to city derbies.

A successful assistant manager who lacked the personality to lead a club

[ancient hibee]

Owners seem to think that a star name will keep the fans happy and sell season tickets and the like , same as Slippy Stevie at Ibrox. Theses appointments rarely work and usually end up in failure

Basically they're autograph hunters-expensive way of doing it.

[Since452]

I still resent the 80s board for not getting rid of Miller in 87 when it was already clear he was going to be an average 8th place guy, (twice ninth, and a decade outside the top 4)with defensive football & the world's worst approach to city derbies.

A successful assistant manager who lacked the personality to lead a club

I remember my dad actually dancing a jig of joy when he was sacked

[Is It On....]

Heard him after the Leeds game talking about new players in the window but nothing about himself doing better with what he already had.

Exactly...was reading the Sheffield Wednesday forum yesterday and they are delighted with the turnaround in performances that their new manager, Danny Rohl, has achieved since October with the same players the outgoing manager was failing with.

[He's here!]

I still resent the 80s board for not getting rid of Miller in 87 when it was already clear he was going to be an average 8th place guy, (twice ninth, and a decade outside the top 4)with defensive football & the world's worst approach to city derbies.

A successful assistant manager who lacked the personality to lead a club

He was only appointed in November 86 with us very much in the frame for relegation but steadied the ship with some shrewd signings. Sacking him in 87 would have been harsh!

He had 5 top 5 finishes in his 10 years (including a 3rd place) plus a cup win, another cup final and two European campaigns (our first since the 70s) featuring some very respectable results. He also brought a lot of very good players to Hibs. By post 70s Hibs standards it ain't a bad record.

He failed to get to grips with the derby tho and as you say lacked the spark to cut it as a top boss. There was a stop start nature to his tenure with a lack of consistent progress.

[Sloop67]

Ex Forest Boss Steve Cooper odds on favourite to replace Rooney.

[Is It On....]

Football is mad now. That said, we don’t know the full story. There might have been a huge bust up behind the scenes, for example; or perhaps Birmingham, having watched the guy work, decided he doesn’t know what he’s doing and they need to cut their losses quickly. The question would then be who appointed him? We just don’t know what goes on, but at face value it seems crazy. Two months?

The madness was in both sacking Eustace, who had Birmingham in a playoff position, AND appointing Rooney who has led them to 2 places above relegation. The fact that Steve Cooper is available won't have helped Rooney's cause either.

[cubehindthegoal]

So that’s Johnson and Rooney both sacked without a transfer window.

We’ve got plenty folk on here claiming we don’t deserve success, Foley shouldn’t bother investing in us etc as if we’re the only team that sack managers.

From the outside looking in, these two sackings looked like no brainer. Would be interesting to know what folk who are on the ‘how long before you criticise’ thread advocating 12 months, numerous windows etc think about these two sackings.

I would never have had either of these guys as a manager at a club I support. Our current manager however has done enough to be given more time, and change personnel, imo.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

A lot of X posts (formerly twitter - how long do we do that for!?) Saying Tony Mowbray to become new Birmingham City boss

[VoltaireHibs]

A lot of X posts (formerly twitter - how long do we do that for!?) Saying Tony Mowbray to become new Birmingham City boss

:boo hoo:

I was slightly hoping that, with the Foley millions, if things went south for NM we would ask Mowbray if he fancied a renunion. A pleasant pipe dream.

[ScottB]

Mowbray at Birmingham confirmed.

[heretoday]

Mowbray at Birmingham confirmed.

Excellent appointment. He was a good manager for Hibs.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Could Beale do a Johnson?

[Winston Ingram]

Mowbray at Birmingham confirmed.

Would loved to have had him back

[Since452]

Would loved to have had him back

Same. Wonder if we'd have had a chance if we had a vacancy when he was available. Imagine the buzz if he came back.

[jacomo]

Excellent appointment. He was a good manager for Hibs.


:agree:

Birmingham have made a good choice there, taking advantage of Sunderland’s stupidity.

I doubt Michael Beale will last the season.

[Wilson]

:agree:

Birmingham have made a good choice there, taking advantage of Sunderland’s stupidity.

I doubt Michael Beale will last the season.

His record so far isn't too bad. The Newcastle game was probably a free hit, they're not expected to win that.

They were two wins and a draw in their last three in the league before that.

Now that he is away from Scotland I have no strong feelings about him. Guess I'd rather see younger manager succeed than the same old names getting the jobs.

[Steven79]

:agree:

Birmingham have made a good choice there, taking advantage of Sunderland’s stupidity.

I doubt Michael Beale will last the season.At the same time Tony is only in a job at Birmingham because they got rid of their manager to appoint Wayne Rooney who lasted 15 games.

Another basket case of a club.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

What’s Tony Mowbray like now? Do his sides still play good football?

[flash]

What’s Tony Mowbray like now? Do his sides still play good football?

Seems to have been popular at Sunderland so presumably the football was pretty good.

[.Sean.]

Would loved to have had him back
I don’t think he’d ever come back. Loved him when he was here but has he ever spoke really fondly of his time here since he left?

[Broken Gnome]

I don’t think he’d ever come back. Loved him when he was here but has he ever spoke really fondly of his time here since he left?

Tend to think the same. He's got a good - presumably very well paid - gig as a turnaround guy for flailing Championship clubs. Highly doubt he would ever consider giving that up for a return to Scotland.

[Smartie]

Could Beale do a Johnson?

He didn’t go for a meal with his gran on Friday night before they played Newcastle, did he?

[Smartie]

What’s Tony Mowbray like now? Do his sides still play good football?

Yes.

Loads of young players. When they played Luton in the playoffs last season they ended up with quite a crazily small team which meant they were very vulnerable to high balls and set pieces but he had an almost romantic commitment to wanting to play football.

Instead of his GK blind spot with us he’d arguably been a striker short for Sunderland but the football his teams play has continued to be good.

He had his (vocal) critics at Sunderland but the majority of the fans were still very much on his side there - which will make life that wee bit more difficult for Beale.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yes.

Loads of young players. When they played Luton in the playoffs last season they ended up with quite a crazily small team which meant they were very vulnerable to high balls and set pieces but he had an almost romantic commitment to wanting to play football.

Instead of his GK blind spot with us he’d arguably been a striker short for Sunderland but the football his teams play has continued to be good.

He had his (vocal) critics at Sunderland but the majority of the fans were still very much on his side there - which will make life that wee bit more difficult for Beale.

:aok:

[Trinity Hibee]

Will never enjoy watching a Hibs team as much as Mowbray’s. Frightening style of play.

Just skimmed the on our way doc on YouTube which Hibs released in 2005. Some great memories.

[B.H.F.C]

It’s mental to think that it’s just coming up for 20 years since Mowbray was appointed at Hibs.

[He's here!]

I don’t think he’d ever come back. Loved him when he was here but has he ever spoke really fondly of his time here since he left?

He was very respectful of the club when he was with us and commented on how delighted he was to see us lift the 2007 League Cup after he left. I doubt he ever gets asked these days about a job he took 20 years ago tho.

Done a very good job with a number of clubs at Chdmpionship level and will be a sound appointment for Birmingham I reckon.

[Trinity Hibee]

It’s mental to think that it’s just coming up for 20 years since Mowbray was appointed at Hibs.

Scary

[Smartie]

Will never enjoy watching a Hibs team as much as Mowbray’s. Frightening style of play.

Just skimmed the on our way doc on YouTube which Hibs released in 2005. Some great memories.

TBH I think Mowbray is the benchmark when it comes to appointing a manager.

Young, hungry, apprenticeship spent coaching at another club and ready to take the big job for himself (not unlike Stubbs).

It helped that he inherited an excellent squad of youngsters who'd had enough experience to not be absolute rookies but also not grizzled enough to be agitating for moves (yet) or to have picked up bad habits.

Great times though, that team were fantastic.

[Trinity Hibee]

TBH I think Mowbray is the benchmark when it comes to appointing a manager.

Young, hungry, apprenticeship spent coaching at another club and ready to take the big job for himself (not unlike Stubbs).

It helped that he inherited an excellent squad of youngsters who'd had enough experience to not be absolute rookies but also not grizzled enough to be agitating for moves (yet) or to have picked up bad habits.

Great times though, that team were fantastic.

I was thinking about how there are similarities with him and Ange. Both go into clubs and change the style of play from the off both with positive results. Just shows you it can be done (granted to still need half decent players)

[Alex Trager]

TBH I think Mowbray is the benchmark when it comes to appointing a manager.

Young, hungry, apprenticeship spent coaching at another club and ready to take the big job for himself (not unlike Stubbs).

It helped that he inherited an excellent squad of youngsters who'd had enough experience to not be absolute rookies but also not grizzled enough to be agitating for moves (yet) or to have picked up bad habits.

Great times though, that team were fantastic.

The description of the young ambitious manager/coach could surely be applied to Monty and dare I say Maloney?

The difference being Mowbray had superior players.

[Trinity Hibee]

The description of the young ambitious manager/coach could surely be applied to Monty and dare I say Maloney?

The difference being Mowbray had superior players.

He did indeed. It seems over the years that the way he treats players/people also helps get the best out of them. Never heard anyone say a bad word against him. He’s just one of those people who is a born leader.

[jacomo]

He was very respectful of the club when he was with us and commented on how delighted he was to see us lift the 2007 League Cup after he left. I doubt he ever gets asked these days about a job he took 20 years ago tho.

Done a very good job with a number of clubs at Chdmpionship level and will be a sound appointment for Birmingham I reckon.


Unfortunately got caught up in the Celtc nonsense and acted like a bit of a knob when he took them to ER… but let bygones be bygones and all that.

[Sloop67]

Callum Davidson new Queens Park boss

[Smartie]

The description of the young ambitious manager/coach could surely be applied to Monty and dare I say Maloney?

The difference being Mowbray had superior players.

Yeah.

FWIW I have a lot of hope for Monty. I like his pre-Hibs CV, I like his chat and I'd like to think we can back him with the players he needs to implement his ideas. We need to be patient with him. I'm not one of those who think we have a good squad and I think we're roughly where we deserve to be relative to the quality of the squad available.

Maloney - where to start? On paper it might be argued that he had the credentials. I wouldn't have been sacking Ross to appoint him but having done so I'd probably be looking to ride out a storm with him and give him a few windows to sign players and the chance to make a few mistakes. The football under him was garbage though, I found it really hard to see what he was trying to achieve and sometimes you've just got to admit early on you've made a bad appointment, as I thought Ron did.

We can't get it right every time.

[Smartie]

He did indeed. It seems over the years that the way he treats players/people also helps get the best out of them. Never heard anyone say a bad word against him. He’s just one of those people who is a born leader.

That counts for a lot - and seeing stuff like the way Cummings responded to Monty gives me hope that he's more likely to be like Mowbray than some of our, say, less personable managers.

[WeeRussell]

His record so far isn't too bad. The Newcastle game was probably a free hit, they're not expected to win that.

They were two wins and a draw in their last three in the league before that.

Now that he is away from Scotland I have no strong feelings about him. Guess I'd rather see younger manager succeed than the same old names getting the jobs.

Yep - putting feelings on the Mowbray sacking aside, have a hunch Beale will do alright actually. Certainly no reason to believe he won’t see out the season.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Callum Davidson new Queens Park boss

That seems like a cracking appointment

[Lago]

That seems like a cracking appointment
Must say I've a lot of time for the guy.

[Billy Whizz]

Ayr Utd set to sack Lee Bullen

[Billy Whizz]

Ayr Utd set to sack Lee Bullen

Confirmed and quote a strong statement from Ayr
https://ayrunitedfc.co.uk/ayr-united-parts-company-with-lee-bullen

[truehibernian]

Confirmed and quote a strong statement from Ayr
https://ayrunitedfc.co.uk/ayr-united-parts-company-with-lee-bullen

The minute Ayr brought in AM I knew the clock was ticking for Lee - really great guy who will land another job easily, great knowledge of the game up here and in England.

[He's here!]

Confirmed and quote a strong statement from Ayr
https://ayrunitedfc.co.uk/ayr-united-parts-company-with-lee-bullen

Seems harsh based on his record until recently. The majority of managers these days simply don't get any leeway when they hit a bad spell, irrespective of the fact that the club's trajectory has until then been an upward one. Still feel Jack Ross was very harshly sacked by Hibs - and you could argue we've failed to come up with a better manager since then.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I thought it was only Hibs who sacked managers when things were going badly?

[matty_f]

I thought it was only Hibs who sacked managers when things were going badly?

I can see how you drew that conclusion on a thread called 'Managerial Sack Race'.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I can see how you drew that conclusion on a thread called 'Managerial Sack Race'.

I’m actually surprised there is a thread given how niche a concept it apparently is.

Will any manager ever want to take the Ayr job ever again after this? Basket case, poison chalice, their fans get what they deserve, if anyone is looking to invest in Ayr they should look elsewhere etc.

[babahibs]

The minute Ayr brought in AM I knew the clock was ticking for Lee - really great guy who will land another job easily, great knowledge of the game up here and in England.

I played in a couple of teams with Lee when we were kids, anyone that knows him will tell you he's a great guy, even though he's a jambo. Will easily get another job, as you say.

[flash]

I thought it was only Hibs who sacked managers when things were going badly?

Good point well made.

[xbar81]

i think it would be mad to sack monty before the end of the season. hope that is not being discussed btw.

[Carheenlea]

I’m actually surprised there is a thread given how niche a concept it apparently is.

Will any manager ever want to take the Ayr job ever again after this? Basket case, poison chalice, their fans get what they deserve, if anyone is looking to invest in Ayr they should look elsewhere etc.

I’m sure any manager now, and even those who are looking to move into the managerial game, will accept what we’ve seen here at Ayr and also countless other clubs, as an occupational hazard.

Results, Results, Results.

The hot air in their statement about how great a job he’s done, how great an ambassador he’s been, delivering targets and all the usual corporate bingo, but ultimately it’s about winning games. The window of tolerance over poor results has shrunk quite drastically in recent years to where managers are now always just a couple of defeats away from a crisis.

While you may not last that long in a job, the consolation is that with the nature of modern football there will be job opportunities arriving every couple of weeks or so. A job for life, if not necessarily with the one club.

[truehibernian]

I played in a couple of teams with Lee when we were kids, anyone that knows him will tell you he's a great guy, even though he's a jambo. Will easily get another job, as you say.

Probably played in same sides as me then 😀 we played together at Penicuik YMCA, Eskmills, and Hutchison Vale as well as for Scotland Schools. His old man was also a great guy too, him and Alex Young were terrific coaches for youngsters

[superfurryhibby]

i think it would be mad to sack monty before the end of the season. hope that is not being discussed btw.

Only by you :aok:

[xbar81]

Only by you :aok:
lol no. i just said he SHOULDN'T be.

[Since452]

i think it would be mad to sack monty before the end of the season. hope that is not being discussed btw.

He should be sacked if we lose to Forfar or we finish bottom six. There won't be any excuses for either of them. Neither would surprise me and i think the latter is a certainty unless we can pull a couple of players out of nowhere to bail him out.

[J-C]

He should be sacked if we lose to Forfar or we finish bottom six. There won't be any excuses for either of them. Neither would surprise me and i think the latter is a certainty unless we can pull a couple of players out of nowhere to bail him out.

And here he is.🙄

[xbar81]

He should be sacked if we lose to Forfar or we finish bottom six. There won't be any excuses for either of them. Neither would surprise me and i think the latter is a certainty unless we can pull a couple of players out of nowhere to bail him out.


c mon. we aint gonna lose to Forfar. ffs

[flash]

And here he is.🙄

Ignore function is your friend.

[J-C]

Ignore function is your friend.

Keep meaning to do it, on my phone right now, do it later. 👍

[HoboHarry]

He should be sacked if we lose to Forfar or we finish bottom six. There won't be any excuses for either of them. Neither would surprise me and i think the latter is a certainty unless we can pull a couple of players out of nowhere to bail him out.

So you think he needs a couple of new players to achieve top 6 but without them he should be sacked if we don't get them and finish in the bottom 6? Mind of a genius there.

[babahibs]

Probably played in same sides as me then 😀 we played together at Penicuik YMCA, Eskmills, and Hutchison Vale as well as for Scotland Schools. His old man was also a great guy too, him and Alex Young were terrific coaches for youngsters

I played with Lee at Eskmills up to u14's and Penicuik High, I went to Musselburgh Windsor when he went to Hutchie, I think he was playing 1 year above his age though, I was in the year above him at school. His dad was indeed a good guy too.

Alex Young's (the Hearts legend) son Alex was one of my best pals when I was younger, I knew Jason well too.

Are you From Penicuik?