Driving Pet Peeves

[Hibrandenburg]

Jesus wept you're now telling me that me quoting the words that came directly from a police motorcyclists in a bikesafe course full of people who are literally there to learn to keep themselves safe on the road is bollocks?

So you think that would get you out of a speeding fine?

[LaMotta]

I don't think I did.

No real surprise that you are wrong again - from three pages ago:


Yes, but I also agree that people should be able to drive within the speed limit according to their personal capabilities, road, weather and traffic conditions.

Someone travelling at 45mph on a dual carriageway is less likely to cause congestion than someone travelling at 58mph.

[Hibrandenburg]

In all honesty if your driving is as erratic as your arguments on this thread it might not be a bad idea to pop down to the police station and hand in your licence.

My argument is pretty consistent, there is no minimum speed limit.

[Rocky]

So you think that would get you out of a speeding fine?

A) I was quoting someone else so what I think is irrelevant. B) If you're driving at 65mph on a 60mph with no hazards in good conditions you're not going to get stopped by the police anyway.

[Hibrandenburg]

No real surprise that you are wrong again - from three pages ago:

Driving at 70 can be a hazard and more accidents are caused by people driving 70 than 45, your own statistic posted earlier proved that. 2 deaths due to a contributing factor of slow driving, that's about 0.001%. What's your point?

[LaMotta]

Driving at 70 can be a hazard and more accidents are caused by people driving 70 than 45, your own statistic posted earlier proved that. 2 deaths due to a contributing factor of slow driving, that's about 0.001%. What's your point?

You are all over the place, changing your argument constantly, posting inaccuracies, and you have no idea what you have or haven't said previously. I've explained my point several times now which has nothing to do with cars going too fast. If you don't understand the point by now then there really is no point going on. If this was a boxing match your corner would have thrown the towel in long before now.

I couldn't put it better than this:


In all honesty if your driving is as erratic as your arguments on this thread it might not be a bad idea to pop down to the police station and hand in your licence.

[Hibrandenburg]

You are all over the place, changing your argument constantly, posting inaccuracies, and you have no idea what you have or haven't said previously. I've explained my point several times now which has nothing to do with cars going too fast. If you don't understand the point by now then there really is no point going on. If this was a boxing match your corner would have thrown the towel in long before now.

I couldn't put it better than this:

I've been nothing other than consistent in my posts. There is no default minimum speed limit. Slow driving is a contributing factor in a very small minority of traffic accidents but even then, the main reason for those accidents will be something else, probably police officers teaching people it's ok to drive faster than the speed limit. :wink:

[Killiehibbie]

A) I was quoting someone else so what I think is irrelevant. B) If you're driving at 65mph on a 60mph with no hazards in good conditions you're not going to get stopped by the police anyway.

You're very unlikely to get stopped by the police unless the cameras alert them. Somebody earlier in this thread said that routine traffic patrols no longer happen and they only attend fatal accidents

[Moulin Yarns]

You've posted that much irrelevant nonsense on this thread, it was quite easy to miss.



We can't know for sure if there is a valid reason I agree, but there really is very little reason for driving at low speeds, so I don't think giving the benefit of the doubt to the driver is sensible. Either way, the crux of this entire argument is that earlier you indicated that people should be able to drive within the limit at whatever speed they like based on their driving capabilities. Do you stand by that view? If you do, I'm worried.

You have got me mixed up with another sensible poster. I never mentioned a driver's capability. But I have tried to explain to you, the only one seemingly arguing that driving slow is more dangerous than driving fast. And that neither you nor I can know what the reason for anyone else's action is. I've given umpteen examples for why the car was being driven slower than you want, which you have ignored. That is worrying as it shows you have no awareness of other road users.

It is interesting that Dazzling Doidge, who first came across the slower driver, has passed the car and moved on, whilst you are clearly stuck behind the slow car and fuming as everyone else overtakes you. 😉

[Moulin Yarns]

Are you deliberately being this obtuse for a reason? Like seriously? You MUST be on the wind up? :tee hee: I can't actually believe im having to explain this.

The comparison with people going too fast is completely irrelevant because nobody, not one person, is making irresponsible claims that driving too fast and carelessly is not dangerous. Its not a part of my argument. How can't you see that?:faf:

It changes nothing about the fact that slow driving can be dangerous. Wake up man ffs!

How is the comparison irrelevant.

You have a 1 in 1000 chance of being in a serious accident by going slow compared to a 999 chance in 1000 when not going slowly. Now you can see the reason why a comparison is very relevant. Driving slowly resulting in a lower chance of a serious accident really doesn't help your argument, you should be a politician. 😂

[Moulin Yarns]

Oh look, more drivel from your gut. The laws don't allow a scooter under 50cc to drive on a 70mph dual carriageway or a motorway - source the highway code.



Absolutely. Very worrying.

Ha, ha. You have actually agreed with Hibrandenburg, yet still managed to make it look like an argument. 🤔

[Moulin Yarns]

To be clear I've never mentioned elderly or senior citizens. I was responding to a point about people who are physically or mentally incapable of making good progress on a motorway. I'm perfectly comfortable with folk choosing to drive at 60 as long as it's not their lack of physical or mental faculties that's limiting them. I'm not comfortable with folk driving at 45mph as that's a massive inconvenience to other road users.

I think you are the first person to actually say what the problem of driving at 45mph on a road with a speed limit of 60 or 70mph, an inconvenience. It is only dangerous when other drivers are not paying attention and have to take evasive action at the last minute.

[Rocky]

I think you are the first person to actually say what the problem of driving at 45mph on a road with a speed limit of 60 or 70mph, an inconvenience. It is only dangerous when other drivers are not paying attention and have to take evasive action at the last minute.
I didn't emphasise the "dangerous" point for the simple reason it's not the slow driver's "fault" that their slow driving increases the likelihood of an accident on the road. However the simple fact is that there are also many drivers on the road who drive too fast and / or lack observational skills. Having a 45mph driver on the same road increases the likelihood of an accident. That will, rightly, never be recorded as being caused by slow driving, but the simple fact is that without the slow driver it wouldn't have happened.

There's no question that poor observational skills and lack of managing speed to conditions are a much bigger issue on the roads than slow driving. Doesn't change the fact that 45mph drivers on a motorway are a pain in the jacksie.

[Moulin Yarns]

I didn't emphasise the "dangerous" point for the simple reason it's not the slow driver's "fault" that their slow driving increases the likelihood of an accident on the road. However the simple fact is that there are also many drivers on the road who drive too fast and / or lack observational skills. Having a 45mph driver on the same road increases the likelihood of an accident. That will, rightly, never be recorded as being caused by slow driving, but the simple fact is that without the slow driver it wouldn't have happened.

There's no question that poor observational skills and lack of managing speed to conditions are a much bigger issue on the roads than slow driving. Doesn't change the fact that 45mph drivers on a motorway are a pain in the jacksie.

Reasonable answer. Cheers rocky. 👍

[Hibs90]

I stand by my original point, which was; driving at stupidly slow speeds is dangerous and lane hoggers are twats.

[LaMotta]

Ha, ha. You have actually agreed with Hibrandenburg, yet still managed to make it look like an argument. 🤔

No I haven't agreed with him :faf:

[LaMotta]

You have got me mixed up with another sensible poster. I never mentioned a driver's capability. But I have tried to explain to you, the only one seemingly arguing that driving slow is more dangerous than driving fast. And that neither you nor I can know what the reason for anyone else's action is. I've given umpteen examples for why the car was being driven slower than you want, which you have ignored. That is worrying as it shows you have no awareness of other road users.

It is interesting that Dazzling Doidge, who first came across the slower driver, has passed the car and moved on, whilst you are clearly stuck behind the slow car and fuming as everyone else overtakes you. 😉


No I haven't got you mixed up with another poster. You are another one who has no idea what they've previously said. From several pages ago where you categorically stated that you agreed that people should be able to drive at any speed they like below the limit:


Yes, but I also agree that people should be able to drive within the speed limit according to their personal capabilities, road, weather and traffic conditions.

Someone travelling at 45mph on a dual carriageway is less likely to cause congestion than someone travelling at 58mph.


Exactly this. 👍

[Moulin Yarns]

No I haven't agreed with him :faf:

You both said that the law prevents 50cc scooters from using motorways.

What is interesting about that is that the speed limit for motorway and dual carriageway is generally the same yet 50cc scooters and even pedal cycles can use the latter. 🤔

[Moulin Yarns]

Disgrace :faf: There are no default minimum speed limits on motorways or dual carriageways. There are some laws however that govern what types of vehicles can travel on motorways, motorbikes and scooters under 50cc are one example. These vehicles are restricted to 30mph which would suggest that 31mph is acceptable.

You mean a 50cc scooter isn't allowed on motorways? Blimey, I think that you and LaMotta actually agree on something, although I'm sure he will argue that he doesn't agree 🤣

[Moulin Yarns]

No I haven't agreed with him :faf:

See above 🤣

[Moulin Yarns]

No I haven't got you mixed up with another poster. You are another one who has no idea what they've previously said. From several pages ago where you categorically stated that you agreed that people should be able to drive at any speed they like below the limit:

Oh yes you have 🤣


Never have I made mention of a person's capabilities. I have constantly referred to mitigating circumstances which you have chosen to ignore.

[LaMotta]

How is the comparison irrelevant.

You have a 1 in 1000 chance of being in a serious accident by going slow compared to a 999 chance in 1000 when not going slowly. Now you can see the reason why a comparison is very relevant. Driving slowly resulting in a lower chance of a serious accident really doesn't help your argument, you should be a politician. 😂

Its irrelevant because there is only one question at stake here. The argument is about whether driving too slowly on a motorway is dangerous. That's the only question here that needs answered. And the answer is yes. But you, crazily, say no.

As an aside, the fact you really don't understand how statistics work doesn't help your argument. Your back of a fag packet sums don't take into account the fact that very few people actually drive too slowly so you are way off the mark with those figures. You should avoid statistical bias.

[Killiehibbie]

You mean a 50cc scooter isn't allowed on motorways? Blimey, I think that you and LaMotta actually agree on something, although I'm sure he will argue that he doesn't agree 🤣

Is the law motorcycles with an engine under 50cc not allowed on motorways? That would mean 50cc and above are allowed

[Moulin Yarns]

Its irrelevant because there is only one question at stake here. The argument is about whether driving too slowly on a motorway is dangerous. That's the only question here that needs answered. And the answer is yes. But you, crazily, say no.

As an aside, the fact you really don't understand how statistics work doesn't help your argument. Your back of a fag packet sums don't take into account the fact that very few people actually drive too slowly so you are way off the mark with those figures. You should avoid statistical bias.

🙄

[LaMotta]

You both said that the law prevents 50cc scooters from using motorways.

What is interesting about that is that the speed limit for motorway and dual carriageway is generally the same yet 50cc scooters and even pedal cycles can use the latter. ��


You mean a 50cc scooter isn't allowed on motorways? Blimey, I think that you and LaMotta actually agree on something, although I'm sure he will argue that he doesn't agree ��


See above ��

Apologies to you - you are correct here.:duck:

[Hibrandenburg]

:faf::faf::faf::faf::faf: Hahahahahaha - He is literally suggesting the opposite.:clown: He is suggesting that scooters under 50cc can go on a motorway and therefore that 30mph is therfore an acceptable speed. You really can't expect me to take anything you say seriously when you are unable to interpret a couple of posts properly.

No I'm not and I am actually struggling to see how you can interpret that from my post. :confused:

[LaMotta]

No I'm not and I am actually struggling to see how you can interpret that from my post. :confused:

Yes apologies I see what you mean now:greengrin

That doesn't mean its acceptable to go 31mph on a motorway though.

[Moulin Yarns]

Apologies to you - you are correct here.:duck:

I would multi quote if could on my phone, but 👍 cheers.

I'm sure we've got more in common than we realise 😉

[Hibrandenburg]

Yes apologies I see what you mean now:greengrin

That doesn't mean its acceptable to go 31mph on a motorway though.

No problem, wouldn't be the first time I've misinterpreted someone's post.

[LaMotta]

I would multi quote if could on my phone, but �� cheers.

I'm sure we've got more in common than we realise ��


No problem, wouldn't be the first time I've misinterpreted someone's post.

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[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Probably been said before but lorries in the right hand lane on the motorway, shouldn't be allowed imo

[CropleyWasGod]

Probably been said before but lorries in the right hand lane on the motorway, shouldn't be allowed imo

Even if they're overtaking slow drivers? 🤣🤣

[Hibs Class]

Probably been said before but lorries in the right hand lane on the motorway, shouldn't be allowed imo

Doesn't that depend on whether it's a two lane or three lane motorway? From long ago memory I didn't think lorries were allowed in outside lane on a three lane but was okay on a two lane (if I'm wrong I'm confident there are plenty on here that will correct me!)

[AltheHibby]

Doesn't that depend on whether it's a two lane or three lane motorway? From long ago memory I didn't think lorries were allowed in outside lane on a three lane but was okay on a two lane (if I'm wrong I'm confident there are plenty on here that will correct me!)

You're right. Highway Code Rule 265.

The right-hand lane of a motorway with three or more lanes MUST NOT be used (except in prescribed circumstances) if you are driving

any vehicle drawing a trailer
a goods vehicle with a maximum laden weight exceeding 3.5 tonnes but not exceeding 7.5 tonnes, which is required to be fitted with a speed limiter
a goods vehicle with a maximum laden weight exceeding 7.5 tonnes
a passenger vehicle with a maximum laden weight exceeding 7.5 tonnes constructed or adapted to carry more than eight seated passengers in addition to the driver
a passenger vehicle with a maximum laden weight not exceeding 7.5 tonnes which is constructed or adapted to carry more than eight seated passengers in addition to the driver, which is required to be fitted with a speed limiter.

[Wembley67]

Lorries aren't allowed on the roads on a Sunday...not a pet peeve but lorries were mentioned :greengrin

Terribly written post, I meant in some European countries e.g. Hungary.

[rodhibs55]

Lorries aren't allowed on the roads on a Sunday...not a pet peeve but lorries were mentioned :greengrin

Is that Red Lorries or Yellow Lorries

[O'Rourke3]

Even if they're overtaking slow drivers? [emoji1787][emoji1787]I used to hate driving up the M6 North because from Stoke to Manchester its pretty much all uphill so there's lorries driving a bit above 60 passing lorries doing less. The outside lane has a 20 mile tailbacks inevitably wasnt doing much over 60 either..

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[McD]

Folk who don’t pay attention and just assume there’s no danger

coming west on the bypass last night, in the outside lane approaching the on ramp from Straiton, idiot in a van comes up the slip road, onto the bypass and just keeps on going towards the outside lane, nearly running me into the central reservation. A blast of the horn and he jerks back to the inside lane, clearly hasn’t seen me or bothered to check

then gives me a dirty look as I pass him :grr:

[Jack]

Folk who don’t pay attention and just assume there’s no danger

coming west on the bypass last night, in the outside lane approaching the on ramp from Straiton, idiot in a van comes up the slip road, onto the bypass and just keeps on going towards the outside lane, nearly running me into the central reservation. A blast of the horn and he jerks back to the inside lane, clearly hasn’t seen me or bothered to check

then gives me a dirty look as I pass him :grr:

I will reply and speak on behalf of ALL van drivers in the world!

With there being no side rear windows or back window there's a huge blind spot and it's particularly bad when merging on to the likes of the bypass.

I obviously check out as much of the traffic flow as a can as I'm tanking down the slip road and then try and gauge enough time for that blind spot to clear.

Even so and being cautious I've been caught out a couple of times.

And a dirty look in vanman language means Oops sorry mate, have a nice day ;-)

[speedy_gonzales]

I will reply and speak on behalf of ALL van drivers in the world!

With there being no side rear windows or back window there's a huge blind spot and it's particularly bad when merging on to the likes of the bypass.

I obviously check out as much of the traffic flow as a can as I'm tanking down the slip road and then try and gauge enough time for that blind spot to clear.

Even so and being cautious I've been caught out a couple of times.

And a dirty look in vanman language means Oops sorry mate, have a nice day ;-)
As another driver that occasionally drives vans, I concur some commercial vehicles do have blind spots when referencing the mirrors.
The blind spot disappears if you do a shoulder check.

[RyeSloan]

As another driver that occasionally drives vans, I concur some commercial vehicles do have blind spots when referencing the mirrors.
The blind spot disappears if you do a shoulder check.

Which to the point of the peeve means all the more that it’s dangerous for a van to come straight off an on ramp and right across to the outside lane!!

As an aside I never found vans to have any worse a blind spot in the wing mirrors than a car and actually due to their size often less so. Sure you don’t have a rear view but can’t say I consciously ever use the rear view in my car when moving lanes.

[speedy_gonzales]

Which to the point of the peeve means all the more that it’s dangerous for a van to come straight off an on ramp and right across to the outside lane!!

I agree with you, it's dangerous for any vehicle to change lanes not knowing what's beside/behind them.
My point was if you take the time to look, you can negate the physical blind spot.


As an aside I never found vans to have any worse a blind spot in the wing mirrors than a car and actually due to their size often less so. Sure you don’t have a rear view but can’t say I consciously ever use the rear view in my car when moving lanes.
Obviously all vehicles are different, but due to the make up of many commercial vehicles I have driven, the "B" pillar can be adjacent to where the driver sits, add a bulkhead and paneling then there is next to no peripheral vision that this be afforded in a regular car.
Mirror wise, many vans have large mirrors but a lot of them don't come with the convex glass that curves away and shows you any vehicle at your 4'o'clock or the electronic blind spot detection systems as they come at a cost and many fleets are bare bones builds,,,, probably why they all come in white.
Nope,,,, there's nothing can beat good old awareness and observation.

[McD]

I will reply and speak on behalf of ALL van drivers in the world!

With there being no side rear windows or back window there's a huge blind spot and it's particularly bad when merging on to the likes of the bypass.

I obviously check out as much of the traffic flow as a can as I'm tanking down the slip road and then try and gauge enough time for that blind spot to clear.

Even so and being cautious I've been caught out a couple of times.

And a dirty look in vanman language means Oops sorry mate, have a nice day ;-)


I get that mate, it’s def not all van drivers.

id not have an issue except he wanted to cut across 2 lanes of traffic, and didn’t seem to think he had any responsibility towards safety

[silverhibee]

Road works on Glasgow road, ffs.j

[McD]

********s who think flicking an indicator on (if even that!) entitles them to just drift into the outside lane when you’re almost level with them!

twice it happened on the bypass last night, it’s pissing down, rush hour traffic, standing water on the road yet these morons think it’s cool to just move out without a consideration towards braking distances, poor conditions and that there’s not really space for them in the first place. And as always, they give you the look as if you’re in the wrong :rolleyes:

[c31]

Wish I could find the sensor in my car that switches all traffic lights as I approach to red!!!! it's been in all my cars and its a pain in the erse!

[AltheHibby]

Wish I could find the sensor in my car that switches all traffic lights as I approach to red!!!! it's been in all my cars and its a pain in the erse!

It's located in the same place as my invisibility cloak button that I use to stop idiots in side streets from seeing me as they pull out.

[The_Exile]

Wasp in the car today, flew in at the lights at the top of carberry hill, must’ve looked like a right muppet/human windmill trying to get it out!

In something completely unrelated, has anyone ever found a black box thing attached to their battery? This must’ve been the previous owners. I assume it’s ok just to try and take it off myself?

[Hibrandenburg]

Wasp in the car today, flew in at the lights at the top of carberry hill, must’ve looked like a right muppet/human windmill trying to get it out!

In something completely unrelated, has anyone ever found a black box thing attached to their battery? This must’ve been the previous owners. I assume it’s ok just to try and take it off myself?

Sounds like you're being bugged.

[Peevemor]

Wasp in the car today, flew in at the lights at the top of carberry hill, must’ve looked like a right muppet/human windmill trying to get it out!

In something completely unrelated, has anyone ever found a black box thing attached to their battery? This must’ve been the previous owners. I assume it’s ok just to try and take it off myself?If it's an electric car then it's probably the engine.

[Northernhibee]

Wasp in the car today, flew in at the lights at the top of carberry hill, must’ve looked like a right muppet/human windmill trying to get it out!

In something completely unrelated, has anyone ever found a black box thing attached to their battery? This must’ve been the previous owners. I assume it’s ok just to try and take it off myself?

I found a black box on my motorcycle, it was there to make sure that I would ride on time.

[Peevemor]

I found a black box on my motorcycle, it was there to make sure that I would ride on time.Ri-ri-ride on time.

[Moulin Yarns]

I found a black box on my motorcycle, it was there to make sure that I would ride on time.

🤣

Thanks peevemor otherwise that would be right over my head. 😁

[The_Exile]

:greengrin It was one of those young driver cheaper insurance type deals, Hastings direct smartmiles or something. Ripped off today and so far nothing has exploded so all’s well that ends well and all that.

[Future17]

I found a black box on my motorcycle, it was there to make sure that I would ride on time.

:top marks

[speedy_gonzales]

Not strictly a peeve, more (a perhaps misogynistic) observation.
A couple of times today, I've been driving through congested narrow high streets in Fife town, the ones where you have to pull in and let traffic pass before you can make any progress yourself.
Virtually every driver that waved a hand in thanks was male, virtually every driver that ignored me pulling over to allow them through was female.
Now, I don't pull over for thanks, I do it because it's the right thing to do and if nobody done it, it would be chaos. But why the very clear difference in how we react/acknowledge other drivers?
Are my observations biased or have women experienced more conflict so they don't engage with other road users?

[Moulin Yarns]

Not strictly a peeve, more (a perhaps misogynistic) observation.
A couple of times today, I've been driving through congested narrow high streets in Fife town, the ones where you have to pull in and let traffic pass before you can make any progress yourself.
Virtually every driver that waved a hand in thanks was male, virtually every driver that ignored me pulling over to allow them through was female.
Now, I don't pull over for thanks, I do it because it's the right thing to do and if nobody done it, it would be chaos. But why the very clear difference in how we react/acknowledge other drivers?
Are my observations biased or have women experienced more conflict so they don't engage with other road users?

Give them a break. It's not easy to squeeze a 2.6m wide car though a 10m gap. 😉

[Future17]

Got a bus lane fine for having joined traffic queued in the bus lane rather than block the outside lane waiting for an opening further up.

The danger of this rule was illustrated when travelling in the opposite direction when I was nearly hit head on by a driver driving on the wrong side of the road to get past the obstruction caused by a queue of drivers doing what I was supposed to have done.

[Stick]

:faf:
Give them a break. It's not easy to squeeze a 2.6m wide car though a 10m gap. 😉

:faf:

[Speedy]

Got a bus lane fine for having joined traffic queued in the bus lane rather than block the outside lane waiting for an opening further up.

The danger of this rule was illustrated when travelling in the opposite direction when I was nearly hit head on by a driver driving on the wrong side of the road to get past the obstruction caused by a queue of drivers doing what I was supposed to have done.

Yip, this will definitely become a growing issue.

[AltheHibby]

Using the hard shoulder when it's not a live lane. They always get away with it. Oh, wait...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-57358040

[lord bunberry]

Got a bus lane fine for having joined traffic queued in the bus lane rather than block the outside lane waiting for an opening further up.

The danger of this rule was illustrated when travelling in the opposite direction when I was nearly hit head on by a driver driving on the wrong side of the road to get past the obstruction caused by a queue of drivers doing what I was supposed to have done.
I suppose you just have to block that lane as it’s all you can do, the people overtaking are the ones in the wrong. These cameras are only there to make money imo, the fact that they’re almost always right at the end of the bus lane at traffic lights is ridiculous. I’ve got two of them just down from my house and the amount of people I’ve seen get caught is huge.

[overdrive]

I suppose you just have to block that lane as it’s all you can do, the people overtaking are the ones in the wrong. These cameras are only there to make money imo, the fact that they’re almost always right at the end of the bus lane at traffic lights is ridiculous. I’ve got two of them just down from my house and the amount of people I’ve seen get caught is huge.

What would happen if you were queued in traffic in the bus lane just before its operating hours but whilst you were in the queue the bus lane became operational?

[lord bunberry]

What would happen if you were queued in traffic in the bus lane just before its operating hours but whilst you were in the queue the bus lane became operational?
I would presume you’d get a fine, it’s pretty black and white. One of the problems these things create is that people avoid the bus lane even when it’s legal to drive in it. I drive a taxi and I was driving up the bus lane yesterday and two drivers moved into the bus lane to avoid me undertaking them, both will have incurred fines for doing that. I understand their frustration, but you really need to be aware of the rules and suck it up no matter how annoying they are.

[Northernhibee]

Going back to car adverts, “genuine reason for sale”.

The car being absolute scrap is a genuine reason to sell a car.

[Future17]

I would presume you’d get a fine, it’s pretty black and white. One of the problems these things create is that people avoid the bus lane even when it’s legal to drive in it. I drive a taxi and I was driving up the bus lane yesterday and two drivers moved into the bus lane to avoid me undertaking them, both will have incurred fines for doing that. I understand their frustration, but you really need to be aware of the rules and suck it up no matter how annoying they are.

I agree with the bit in bold. When I'm driving in a bus lane when it's not in operation, I'll always slow down at the end of it as I know there's a high chance of some idiot moving across from the right hand lane without looking or indicating.

[J-C]

I would presume you’d get a fine, it’s pretty black and white. One of the problems these things create is that people avoid the bus lane even when it’s legal to drive in it. I drive a taxi and I was driving up the bus lane yesterday and two drivers moved into the bus lane to avoid me undertaking them, both will have incurred fines for doing that. I understand their frustration, but you really need to be aware of the rules and suck it up no matter how annoying they are.


I too drive a taxi as you know and there's more congestion caused by people not knowing when bus lanes are normal lanes, I think they're set up near lights to allow a clear passage at certain junctions, Duddingston Pk and Commercial St are perfect examples of how they work, at certain times of the day these junction were just a nightmare trying to get through the lights because drivers would just ignore the bus lane, now buses and taxi's can get through no problems at all.

[Future17]

I too drive a taxi as you know and there's more congestion caused by people not knowing when bus lanes are normal lanes, I think they're set up near lights to allow a clear passage at certain junctions, Duddingston Pk and Commercial St are perfect examples of how they work, at certain times of the day these junction were just a nightmare trying to get through the lights because drivers would just ignore the bus lane, now buses and taxi's can get through no problems at all.

That's undoubtedly true most of the time if you're a bus or taxi, but I don't think it's true generally...or at least not with the bus lanes near where I live.

At Dudfingston Park, there's less congestion if a bus or taxi wants to go left or straight on, but far more congestion if they want to turn right.

[J-C]

That's undoubtedly true most of the time if you're a bus or taxi, but I don't think it's true generally...or at least not with the bus lanes near where I live.

At Dudfingston Park, there's less congestion if a bus or taxi wants to go left or straight on, but far more congestion if they want to turn right.


Now there is, before the new cameras were put up is was a nightmare with cars just ignoring the bus lanes and filling them up both sides, same at Commercial St and Milton Rd, both far easier to get along now for buses and taxis.

[Future17]

Now there is, before the new cameras were put up is was a nightmare with cars just ignoring the bus lanes and filling them up both sides, same at Commercial St and Milton Rd, both far easier to get along now for buses and taxis.

I think at Duddingston Park, they'd have been better scrapping the bus lane and continuing the two lanes straight across the lights for all traffic.

[J-C]

I think at Duddingston Park, they'd have been better scrapping the bus lane and continuing the two lanes straight across the lights for all traffic.

That would work if they sorted out the timing of the lights, during rush hour there's never enough time to get the majority through so before the camera it could take 2-3 sets of lights before you got through.

[Future17]

That would work if they sorted out the timing of the lights, during rush hour there's never enough time to get the majority through so before the camera it could take 2-3 sets of lights before you got through.

Yeah, that would help. I think allowing time for the right turn filters is the problem, which seems unnecessary during rush hour at least.

Thinking about it now, it might make sense to have a left only lane (and perhaps a filter) instead of a right only lane, as that's where the majority of the traffic is going (which also contrubutes to fewer cars getting through each sequence.

[heretoday]

Salamander St is worth avoiding if you're westbound. Hellish delays.

[ACLeith]

Salamander St is worth avoiding if you're westbound. Hellish delays.

And every other east/west road in Leith.

[Jack]

And every other east/west road in Leith.

Just avoid Leith. I'd hate to think what it would be like after a Saturday match at ER.

And God only knows what it will be like when they close the Fit o the Walk to complete that part of the tram line.

[w pilton hibby]

Just avoid Leith. I'd hate to think what it would be like after a Saturday match at ER.

And God only knows what it will be like when they close the Fit o the Walk to complete that part of the tram line.

Wait until they introduce the low traffic neighbourhood scheme

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/must-read/european-city-style-plan-to-give-leith-a-brand-new-vibe-3265961

[ACLeith]

Just avoid Leith.


As a lifelong resident it's kind if difficult! Absolutely sickened by the plans that the Clowncil are forcing through (sorry, my mistake, consulting about)

[Killiehibbie]

What's going on with theory tests? Been trying to book one for a while but all booked up or they're just not working.

[Future17]

Folk turning into the wrong side of the road at junctions - usually when leaving a larger road for a smaller one.

Is this on the rise? I've had to brake to avoid folk doing this the past two days.

[Jay]

What's going on with theory tests? Been trying to book one for a while but all booked up or they're just not working.


Totally booked up. My pals son has travelled to Carlisle and dundee for his and my sons gf is doing hers in blackpool in july.

[Killiehibbie]

Folk turning into the wrong side of the road at junctions - usually when leaving a larger road for a smaller one.

Is this on the rise? I've had to brake to avoid folk doing this the past two days.

It's been getting worse in the last couple of years. Laziness or inability to perform a right turn. I see it several times a day.

[Killiehibbie]

Totally booked up. My pals son has travelled to Carlisle and dundee for his and my sons gf is doing hers in blackpool in july.

Any idea what sort of capacity they're running at?

[Jay]

Any idea what sort of capacity they're running at?

I dont know sorry. I just know Edinburgh's booked up.

[weecounty hibby]

Any idea what sort of capacity they're running at?

Try using one of the booking sites. I had to do that for my son. I searched 120 mile radius for test centres and all were fully booked. I used " The theory test.co" I got a test at our nearest centre but still have had to wait about 8 weeks. Also cist more £39 compared to £23 but cane with learning material and a free resit.

[weecounty hibby]

Meant to say it looks like these places are somehow block booking tests and then selling them on. But like ticket tout sites. Not sure how they manage it or how it can be legal

[Killiehibbie]

Try using one of the booking sites. I had to do that for my son. I searched 120 mile radius for test centres and all were fully booked. I used " The theory test.co" I got a test at our nearest centre but still have had to wait about 8 weeks. Also cist more £39 compared to £23 but cane with learning material and a free resit.

I'd rather do without than encourage these *****.
I've heard it's a case of a change of company running things to blame for lack of availability.

[silverhibee]

The idiot who just ran in to the back of me and couldn’t think how he done it, f***ing clown.

[Moulin Yarns]

The idiot who just ran in to the back of me and couldn’t think how he done it, f***ing clown.

How is the whiplash? Need the name of a good lawyer? 😉

[patch1875]

The idiot who just ran in to the back of me and couldn’t think how he done it, f***ing clown.

Happened to me guy said his brakes failed his phone was lying in the footwell.

[Future17]

The motorcyclist riding between the two lanes of traffic at Milton Link yesterday early evening.

Not content with nearly being squashed by a lorry, he missed my car by inches when undertaking before accelerating to somewhere between 80-100mph in the 50mph part of the A1.

[Moulin Yarns]

The motorcyclist riding between the two lanes of traffic at Milton Link yesterday early evening.

Not content with nearly being squashed by a lorry, he missed my car by inches when undertaking before accelerating to somewhere between 80-100mph in the 50mph part of the A1.

Any dashcam footage? Im thinking of getting one for just these situations.

[Scouse Hibee]

Cyclists who think it’s clever to ride on a highway with no hands on the handlebars, absolute cretins who I will to hit a pothole and fall off.

[lapsedhibee]

Cyclists who think it’s clever to ride on a highway with no hands on the handlebars, absolute cretins who I will to hit a pothole and fall off.

Agree it's stupid, but if they're sufficiently skilled to ride handsfree they're probably aware enough to be looking out for potholes, so you'll probably wait a while.

[Scouse Hibee]

Agree it's stupid, but if they're sufficiently skilled to ride handsfree they're probably aware enough to be looking out for potholes, so you'll probably wait a while.

I could ride hands free when I was ten, it’s not a great skill.

[AltheHibby]

Agree it's stupid, but if they're sufficiently skilled to ride handsfree they're probably aware enough to be looking out for potholes, so you'll probably wait a while.

Not to pick a fight, but I am sufficiently skilled to drive at 100+MPH on motorways due to my training in Germany. It would be totally wrong, not to say stupid to do it along the M8.

[Keith_M]

Parallel parking.

Parking on corners.

Parking SUVs/Vans/Lorries so close to corners that I have to drive half way out of a side road on to the main road to see if anything's coming, and risk getting hit.


And finally, people who criticise my parking.

[Wilson]

I could ride hands free when I was ten, it’s not a great skill.

I could do it when I was ten. Didn't cycle for about twenty years and lost the knack (I did try out of curiosity).

It is somewhat of a skill. Perhaps not a great one like you say - I'm happy to keep hold of the handlebars!

[Scouse Hibee]

People who try to overtake you when you’re rejoining traffic after you have pulled over to let an ambulance on blue lights get past you.

[Keith_M]

People who try to overtake you when you’re rejoining traffic after you have pulled over to let an ambulance on blue lights get past you.


:agree:

[lapsedhibee]

Not to pick a fight, but I am sufficiently skilled to drive at 100+MPH on motorways due to my training in Germany. It would be totally wrong, not to say stupid to do it along the M8.

I've agreed! :take that

[J-C]

Cyclists who think it's smart to cycle in the middle of the lane which means no one can overtake, seen it this morning in Porty High St when this young lady decided to do this and had around 10 vehicles trailing behind her all getting impatient.

[speedy_gonzales]

Cyclists who think it's smart to cycle in the middle of the lane which means no one can overtake, seen it this morning in Porty High St when this young lady decided to do this and had around 10 vehicles trailing behind her all getting impatient.

The advice from police and their "operation close-pass" is to safely overtake a cyclist (on a standard width road), the car needs to cross the median and drive in the other lane.
If a cyclist hugs the kerb it might encourage drivers to pass without waiting until it's safe, so for that reason, cyclists are advised to cycle closer to the middle of the lane so as to encourage drivers to wait until it's safe to pass.
Knowing Porty High St, even if the 10 cars passed the cyclist safely, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the cyclist filter back to the front of the queue at the next set of lights,,,, and so it goes again.

[CropleyWasGod]

Cyclists who think it's smart to cycle in the middle of the lane which means no one can overtake, seen it this morning in Porty High St when this young lady decided to do this and had around 10 vehicles trailing behind her all getting impatient.

"The primary road position is that of the general flow of traffic (ie in the centre of the lane)."

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/cycletraining/article/ct20110110-cycletraining-Bitesize-Bikeability--Part-4--On-Road-Positioning-0

[speedy_gonzales]

Drivers who don't have a clue - was coming out of the Gyle shopping centre today, heading for the A8 then back in to town. A car went around the roundabout in the wrong lane to go right (1st mistake). They then crossed two lanes without ceding priority to other road users and sped to the Gogar r-a-b. I then noticed their rear nearside tyre was flat and they were running on the rims.
I tried to get their attention but they sped off around the roundabout then cut traffic up again before going through a red light(just changed) at the Maybury.
I waited in the traffic then caught up with them again outside the BBQ chippy, I still had every intention of letting then know their tyre was now completely gone, but as they straight-lined the Drum Brae r-a-b I gave up. I don't think I've seen such a display of pi$$ poor driving in a long while.
The car must have been handling something awful, but they weren't for stopping.
At one point I thought it was stolen, and it may well have been but it was being driven by a middle-aged lady. Not your stereotypical joy-rider.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Not sure if these are driving pet peeves or general ones.

People who leave supermarket trolleys in parking spaces rather than taking them to the trolley shelter about 10 feet away.

People who park on double yellow lines outside a supermarket or shopping centre blocking the road as they are 'waiting on someone inside the shop' despite there being about 100 free spaces in the car park.

[calumhibee1]

Not sure if these are driving pet peeves or general ones.

People who leave supermarket trolleys in parking spaces rather than taking them to the trolley shelter about 10 feet away.

People who park on double yellow lines outside a supermarket or shopping centre blocking the road as they are 'waiting on someone inside the shop' despite there being about 100 free spaces in the car park.

Sounds like Asda Leith. There’s a lot of folk either too important or can’t afford the petrol to go round the corner into the car park that park on the double yellows instead.

[Future17]

Any dashcam footage? Im thinking of getting one for just these situations.

No, but I'm thinking the same. The amount of terrible driving out there I'm thinking it's only a matter of time before it negatively affects me.

[The_Exile]

Not sure if these are driving pet peeves or general ones.

People who leave supermarket trolleys in parking spaces rather than taking them to the trolley shelter about 10 feet away.

People who park on double yellow lines outside a supermarket or shopping centre blocking the road as they are 'waiting on someone inside the shop' despite there being about 100 free spaces in the car park.

I can see the shop at Pinkie from my flat, the double yellows at the side of the shop always has a car or a van on it despite there being an always empty car park around 20 feet away. A traffic warden could sit out of sight on a deck chair all day and make an absolute fortune. One time I was driving out of the street and a car came barrelling round the corner, straight on to my side of the road and pulled up and parked right outside the shop on the double yellows. The one and only time I’ve had to do a proper emergency brake. Guy didn’t even acknowledge me!

[O'Rourke3]

Not sure if these are driving pet peeves or general ones.

People who leave supermarket trolleys in parking spaces rather than taking them to the trolley shelter about 10 feet away.
.

Those people will be the first to complain coming back to the car to find the wind has blown an unattended trolly into their car too

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[lapsedhibee]

Sounds like Asda Leith. There’s a lot of folk either too important or can’t afford the petrol to go round the corner into the car park that park on the double yellows instead.

Doesn't sound at all like Asda Leith. They don't block the road at all stopping there.

[Northernhibee]

When you have two roundabouts in close proximity that force you to pick a lane early and the sat nav starts with “In 200 yards, at the roundabout, take the…”, in which time you’ve had to commit to a lane which is always the wrong one.

[overdrive]

Cobbles. Terrible to drive over. Terrible to walk over too.

[Moulin Yarns]

Cobbles. Terrible to drive over. Terrible to walk over too.

Terrible to cycle over as well.

[O'Rourke3]

Terrible to cycle over as well.Especially on the cobblers

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[Pretty Boy]

Middle lane drivers.

I was on the M180, M62, A1M, M6 and M74 today and every single one had some ****wit in an Audi, BMW or the new kid on the block Tesla sitting in the middle lane with nothing in the inside lane for about 5 miles. Of course as soon as you move out to pass them they inevitably put the foot down and try to race you. The good thing about that is they invariably run into another one of their kind 15 seconds up the road and have to ease off again. You then cross across 2 lanes to get back to the inside lane and leave the 2 of them to continue their who's the most obstructive ****** competition.

[AltheHibby]

Middle lane drivers.

I was on the M180, M62, A1M, M6 and M74 today and every single one had some ****wit in an Audi, BMW or the new kid on the block Tesla sitting in the middle lane with nothing in the inside lane for about 5 miles. Of course as soon as you move out to pass them they inevitably put the foot down and try to race you. The good thing about that is they invariably run into another one of their kind 15 seconds up the road and have to ease off again. You then cross across 2 lanes to get back to the inside lane and leave the 2 of them to continue their who's the most obstructive ****** competition.

What's worse is their total inability to grasp that it's illegal. I had to sit in a BMW with one from Birmingham to the M25 to the M3. I talked pointedly about the law change. No response. He just couldn't see what was wrong.

[Scouse Hibee]

Middle lane drivers.

I was on the M180, M62, A1M, M6 and M74 today and every single one had some ****wit in an Audi, BMW or the new kid on the block Tesla sitting in the middle lane with nothing in the inside lane for about 5 miles. Of course as soon as you move out to pass them they inevitably put the foot down and try to race you. The good thing about that is they invariably run into another one of their kind 15 seconds up the road and have to ease off again. You then cross across 2 lanes to get back to the inside lane and leave the 2 of them to continue their who's the most obstructive ****** competition.

Have experienced this a lot, frustrating as hell, having a glance at some of the people who do this and see them clutching the steering wheel as if there life depends on it, it’s almost as if they’re scared to even attempt a lane change on a motorway.

[Hibrandenburg]

Impatience. We were sat in an hour long traffic jam yesterday due to an accident on the Autobahn. Once the emergency services had treated the injured and cleared the road it was like Whacky Races with people driving like manics in an attempt to make up lost time.

[silverhibee]

Folk who park next to Sofia’s restaurant at the lights at Corstorphine

[Scouse Hibee]

Lost count of the number of near misses at people going through red traffic lights straight ahead when the filter for turning left only is green.

[speedy_gonzales]

Whilst we're back on the subject of traffic lights, I'm sure it happens mostly during "tourist" season, but there's a few sets of lights in town where I routinely see cars take a right turn then stop at the red light intended for the traffic driving left to right across the junction.
Happened again this afternoon at the lights for George IV Bridge and Lawnmarket.
Junction brought to a standstill because someone turning right from Bank St to Lawnmarket stopped at the red light for going up the high street.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Whilst we're back on the subject of traffic lights, I'm sure it happens mostly during "tourist" season, but there's a few sets of lights in town where I routinely see cars take a right turn then stop at the red light intended for the traffic driving left to right across the junction.
Happened again this afternoon at the lights for George IV Bridge and Lawnmarket.
Junction brought to a standstill because someone turning right from Bank St to Lawnmarket stopped at the red light for going up the high street.

Someone I know failed their test for doing this.

[lord bunberry]

Whilst we're back on the subject of traffic lights, I'm sure it happens mostly during "tourist" season, but there's a few sets of lights in town where I routinely see cars take a right turn then stop at the red light intended for the traffic driving left to right across the junction.
Happened again this afternoon at the lights for George IV Bridge and Lawnmarket.
Junction brought to a standstill because someone turning right from Bank St to Lawnmarket stopped at the red light for going up the high street.
My mate went into the back of someone at that junction, he hit the brakes and slid on the cobbles. I’ve seen it happen loads of times, as you say it’s normally around this time of year.

[RyeSloan]

Whilst we're back on the subject of traffic lights, I'm sure it happens mostly during "tourist" season, but there's a few sets of lights in town where I routinely see cars take a right turn then stop at the red light intended for the traffic driving left to right across the junction.
Happened again this afternoon at the lights for George IV Bridge and Lawnmarket.
Junction brought to a standstill because someone turning right from Bank St to Lawnmarket stopped at the red light for going up the high street.

Someone did that to me the other day…can’t say I’d ever seen it before and it took me a few seconds to work out wtf they were thinking!

Thankfully I wasn’t in a hurry or following them round just as the lights were changing or anything so I had plenty time to stop, realise what they were up to then politely lose my sh it at them [emoji1787]

[Future17]

Whilst we're back on the subject of traffic lights, I'm sure it happens mostly during "tourist" season, but there's a few sets of lights in town where I routinely see cars take a right turn then stop at the red light intended for the traffic driving left to right across the junction.
Happened again this afternoon at the lights for George IV Bridge and Lawnmarket.
Junction brought to a standstill because someone turning right from Bank St to Lawnmarket stopped at the red light for going up the high street.

Saw this almost daily when I used to take the car to work - it was at the lights on Leith Street between the Waterloo Pkace junction and the road access to the Omni car park. Is a terrible light system though.

[Pretty Boy]

I think this was covered at length recently but really tentative drivers on roads with speed limits of 50mph+.

I understand there are occasions when someone may have to drive exceptionally slowly for good reason but it's quite difficult to be behind someone driving at 30 on a road with a 60 limit, in perfect conditions like this weekend, who brakes sharply at every other bend. Particularly difficult on roads on which overtaking opportunities are either few and far between or dangerous (more on that below). I'm sure people will argue otherwise but braking to as low as 20mph at a small bend in the road is hazardous driving. It's the unpredictability of it and you find yourself having to drive increasingly slowly yourself to react to the haphazard nature of their driving.

At the opposite end of the scale the utte roasters who fly up the wrong side of the road from 6 or 7 cars back with no clear view of the road ahead due to a bend or dip. I'm sure they just close their eyes and pray, a few close shaves witnessed this weekend.

[Peevemor]

My mate went into the back of someone at that junction, he hit the brakes and slid on the cobbles. I’ve seen it happen loads of times, as you say it’s normally around this time of year.I don't think it's the point you're making, but roads can be dodgy at this time of year (something I've noticed in the slightly drier climate here in Brittany).

An extended period without rain lets pollution - oily residue & even tiny bits of rubber from tyres -build up on road surfaces making them slippy, made even worse by a fine skin of moisture.

It caused me to have a fortunately non serious accident a few years ago.

[Hibrandenburg]

I think this was covered at length recently but really tentative drivers on roads with speed limits of 50mph+.

I understand there are occasions when someone may have to drive exceptionally slowly for good reason but it's quite difficult to be behind someone driving at 30 on a road with a 60 limit, in perfect conditions like this weekend, who brakes sharply at every other bend. Particularly difficult on roads on which overtaking opportunities are either few and far between or dangerous (more on that below). I'm sure people will argue otherwise but braking to as low as 20mph at a small bend in the road is hazardous driving. It's the unpredictability of it and you find yourself having to drive increasingly slowly yourself to react to the haphazard nature of their driving.

At the opposite end of the scale the utte roasters who fly up the wrong side of the road from 6 or 7 cars back with no clear view of the road ahead due to a bend or dip. I'm sure they just close their eyes and pray, a few close shaves witnessed this weekend.

I'll probably take stick for this but driving is not just about getting from A to B. Recreational drivers have as much right to the road as people who just want to get somewhere. If you really need to be somewhere at a certain time, then take delays into account when planning your route.

[Killiehibbie]

I'll probably take stick for this but driving is not just about getting from A to B. Recreational drivers have as much right to the road as people who just want to get somewhere. If you really need to be somewhere at a certain time, then take delays into account when planning your route.

Driving for recreational purposes is fine but the nervous wrecks who drive like Mr Magoo should not be on the road.

[Future17]

I'll probably take stick for this but driving is not just about getting from A to B. Recreational drivers have as much right to the road as people who just want to get somewhere. If you really need to be somewhere at a certain time, then take delays into account when planning your route.

If you're driving for recreational purposes, you can pull over regularly to let queued traffic pass you.

[Pretty Boy]

I'll probably take stick for this but driving is not just about getting from A to B. Recreational drivers have as much right to the road as people who just want to get somewhere. If you really need to be somewhere at a certain time, then take delays into account when planning your route.

I wasn't in any rush to get anywhere.

If people want to drive foe recreational purposes then fine but they should still have a bit road awareness and realise slamming their brakes on at a slight turn in the road is dangerous.

My post wasn't even really aimed at people who want to go out for a drive and look at the scenery. It's people who are excessively nervous and tentative on a decent road in near perfect driving conditions.

[Onceinawhile]

I understand there are occasions when someone may have to drive exceptionally slowly for good reason but it's quite difficult to be behind someone driving at 30 on a road with a 60 limit, in perfect conditions like this weekend, who brakes sharply at every other bend. Particularly difficult on roads on which overtaking opportunities are either few and far between or dangerous (more on that below). I'm sure people will argue otherwise but braking to as low as 20mph at a small bend in the road is hazardous driving. It's the unpredictability of it and you find yourself having to drive increasingly slowly yourself to react to the haphazard nature of their driving.


The type of people who drive at a top speed of forty all the way through a 60 zone, come to a town with a 30mph limit and continue on at 40.

Got stuck behind a few of them recently and it was infuriating.

[AltheHibby]

The type of people who drive at a top speed of forty all the way through a 60 zone, come to a town with a 30mph limit and continue on at 40.

Got stuck behind a few of them recently and it was infuriating.

I once overtook one of them in a 60 and got road raged for passing them. It started with glares as I dared pass them and continued with lights and sound. The next person to pass got the same treatment.

At times like that the basis of the horror film The Purge becomes appealing.

[Pretty Boy]

The type of people who drive at a top speed of forty all the way through a 60 zone, come to a town with a 30mph limit and continue on at 40.

Got stuck behind a few of them recently and it was infuriating.

I've ranted about that on here before.

The worst area I encounter it regularly is when exiting Sherrifhall Roundabout onto the A6106 towards For Kinnaird. The road goes from 70 on the bypass to 60 on the A6106 itself, slows to 40 as you approach the roundabout at Newton Village, drops to 30 almost immediately after the roundabout and stays that way through the village, back up to 60 after leaving the village then drops to 30 again just before the sharp corner that brings you round to meet The Wisp. It's almost an every day occurrence to be behind someone who sits at 45mph throughout the whole section apart from the obligatory violent braking when they spot the speed camera.

It's utterly bizarre behaviour.

[Hibrandenburg]

I wasn't in any rush to get anywhere.

If people want to drive foe recreational purposes then fine but they should still have a bit road awareness and realise slamming their brakes on at a slight turn in the road is dangerous.

My post wasn't even really aimed at people who want to go out for a drive and look at the scenery. It's people who are excessively nervous and tentative on a decent road in near perfect driving conditions.

I used to let myself get wound up about other drivers, I've since come to realise that the roads are like anything else in life, there's as many different types of driver as there are different people driving. Here's me for the next couple of weeks:

[RyeSloan]

I've ranted about that on here before.

The worst area I encounter it regularly is when exiting Sherrifhall Roundabout onto the A6106 towards For Kinnaird. The road goes from 70 on the bypass to 60 on the A6106 itself, slows to 40 as you approach the roundabout at Newton Village, drops to 30 almost immediately after the roundabout and stays that way through the village, back up to 60 after leaving the village then drops to 30 again just before the sharp corner that brings you round to meet The Wisp. It's almost an every day occurrence to be behind someone who sits at 45mph throughout the whole section apart from the obligatory violent braking when they spot the speed camera.

It's utterly bizarre behaviour.

The violent braking on the other side of the road from the speed camera is quite hilarious sometimes!

[Moulin Yarns]

People who don't use cruise control on major roads. Their speed fluctuating from 45 to 60 all the time.

[Peevemor]

People who don't use cruise control on major roads. Their speed fluctuating from 45 to 60 all the time.

I never use it (to avoid falling asleep) and my speed varies less than those that do.

[Future17]

I never use it (to avoid falling asleep) and my speed varies less than those that do.

Your speed, when controlled manually, varies less than something which is set as a constant? :confused:

[Peevemor]

Your speed, when controlled manually, varies less than something which is set as a constant? :confused:A lot of cars on cruise control will noticeably slow down at the start of an uphill stretch before correcting itself and will likewise speed up, sometimes a fair bit, going downhill. The less powerful the engine the bigger the variations.

[Future17]

A lot of cars on cruise control will noticeably slow down at the start of an uphill stretch before correcting itself and will likewise speed up, sometimes a fair bit, going downhill. The less powerful the engine the bigger the variations.

Can't say I've ever noticed that when using it...certainly not to the extent that I'd be confident my manual control would be more consistent.

I absolute love the ACC on motorway journeys.

[Peevemor]

Can't say I've ever noticed that when using it...certainly not to the extent that I'd be confident my manual control would be more consistent.

I absolute love the ACC on motorway journeys.As I said before, the less I have to do the more I risk becoming bored and falling asleep so I don't use it.

As for speed variations, it definitely depends on the engine size.

[Hibrandenburg]

Can't say I've ever noticed that when using it...certainly not to the extent that I'd be confident my manual control would be more consistent.

I absolute love the ACC on motorway journeys.

I've noticed it with the caravan hitched up but with just the car it only varies about 1kmh above or below the set speed.

[pollution]

As I said before, the less I have to do the more I risk becoming bored and falling asleep so I don't use it.

As for speed variations, it definitely depends on the engine size.


That's a new one to me, never heard of that before.

What size of engine would this happen to ?

[Hibrandenburg]

That's a new one to me, never heard of that before.

What size of engine would this happen to ?

Probably the size that isn't powerful enough in relation to the vehicle weight to easily cope with added gravitational forces when driving uphill.

[Peevemor]

That's a new one to me, never heard of that before.

What size of engine would this happen to ?I first noticed it when a mate gave me a lift in his work's car (clio). I was only paying attention as I warned him about a speed camera. He list/gained 2-3 mph on gradients.

Out of interest I tried the same road in my wife's car (kangoo 1.5 dci, 90bhp) which has exactly the same engine, with exactly the same result.

[Scouse Hibee]

People who don't use cruise control on major roads. Their speed fluctuating from 45 to 60 all the time.

Never use it and never will. The only reason I can give is I never have and don’t want to.

[pollution]

Never use it and never will. The only reason I can give is I never have and don’t want to.


It is useful on long motorway treks but I do lose the feel of the car

and it can lead to loss of attention.

[Scouse Hibee]

It is useful on long motorway treks but I do lose the feel of the car

and it can lead to loss of attention.

Have driven Edinburgh to Liverpool and vice versa without it for more than thirty years, can’t see me changing now.

[O'Rourke3]

Have driven Edinburgh to Liverpool and vice versa without it for more than thirty years, can’t see me changing now.Thats some commute. Wasnt it simpler to move here?

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[Scouse Hibee]

Thats some commute. Wasnt it simpler to move here?

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Moved here thirty years ago mate, travel back to Liverpool regularly.

[Danderhall Hibs]

People who don't use cruise control on major roads. Their speed fluctuating from 45 to 60 all the time.

You really get to see how erratic some folk are - when I’ve used it sitting at 70mph there’s cars you overtake then seconds later they’re going past you before pulling back over for you to overtake again.

The other one you see is when you pull out to overtake and the car you were easily going past all of a sudden speeds up leaving you stranded in the outside lane and pulling back in only to then “catch up” again and go through the same rigmarole.

[lord bunberry]

You really get to see how erratic some folk are - when I’ve used it sitting at 70mph there’s cars you overtake then seconds later they’re going past you before pulling back over for you to overtake again.

The other one you see is when you pull out to overtake and the car you were easily going past all of a sudden speeds up leaving you stranded in the outside lane and pulling back in only to then “catch up” again and go through the same rigmarole.
That’s so true. The cruise control in my old car was great, you could adjust the speed in the same way you’d turn the volume up and down. The accelerator and braking was done with two fingers just under the steering wheel. My new car is much more complicated.

[LongJohnBanger]

This is a very specific driving pet peeve but there's someone who occasionally comes into my street to see family of theirs - the car itself is an unremarkable chelsea tractor, big range rover, private number plate - it sort of suggests the driver has a bob or two and yet, lately, the driver's rear end is running lower than the passenger's rear end. It seems to have been fixed but it's now running about with the hazards on permanently.

So, folk whose motor is ****ed but say "**** it, I'm above fixing it. let other folk try to determine which way I'm turning - if at all!"

[overdrive]

Speed bumps that aren’t properly marked so you often don’t realise it’s there before it’s too late.

[Moulin Yarns]

It's been mentioned before but an incident yesterday brought it to mind again.

Lane discipline at roundabouts

Leaving Inverness heading towards Aberdeen at the Longman roundabout and the lanes are well signposted on approach and the lanes newly painted on the road. Inside me is a black seat leon with cracked windscreen at the lights. Lights change and we move off, Aberdeen turn off is 3rd exit, following the lanes this arse starts Drifting into the lane I'm in and gives a blast of the horn at the second exit, I hold my position and he has to drop back. I exit the roundabout onto the dual carriageway, check behind me and he is nowhere to be seen. Did he turn off at the 2nd exit or continue round to go back into Inverness? I've no idea.

[Hibrandenburg]

Speed bumps that aren’t properly marked so you often don’t realise it’s there before it’s too late.

:agree:

Hit one of those a few years back on my bike and had a couple of seconds flight time before crash landing and skidding to a halt about 25m from my bike. Absolutely lethal when due to dirt on the road they are undistinguishable in colour from the road itself.

[O'Rourke3]

The duck of a taxi driver who took the opportunity to do a u turn on the lights from Charlotte Square to Princes St to go back to Charlotte Square, very quickly followed by the driver who raced 3 cars to the front of the lane closed 50 yds on the Western Approach road about 3 minutes later.

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[matty_f]

You really get to see how erratic some folk are - when I’ve used it sitting at 70mph there’s cars you overtake then seconds later they’re going past you before pulling back over for you to overtake again.

The other one you see is when you pull out to overtake and the car you were easily going past all of a sudden speeds up leaving you stranded in the outside lane and pulling back in only to then “catch up” again and go through the same rigmarole.

That happens way more than it should, it’s like folk get insecure about being overtaken or something.

[marinello59]

That happens way more than it should, it’s like folk get insecure about being overtaken or something.

The speeding up thing is apparently a subconscious reaction, it’s really not being done on purpose. I vaguely remember reading an explanation of it, something from our long distant past when being chased by wild animals was a daily occurrence.

[lord bunberry]

That happens way more than it should, it’s like folk get insecure about being overtaken or something.
Being overtaken is a sign of weakness. :greengrin

[Future17]

The speeding up thing is apparently a subconscious reaction, it’s really not being done on purpose. I vaguely remember reading an explanation of it, something from our long distant past when being chased by wild animals was a daily occurrence.

Probably true. It only happens to me when I'm driving my Jaguar. :greengrin

[AltheHibby]

Probably true. It only happens to me when I'm driving my Jaguar. :greengrin

🙄

Is that a Jaguar or a top of the range Mondeo from when Ford owned them?

[McD]

People who have no idea what a slip road is for

joining the bypass at Straiton heading west earlier, and someone 3 cars ahead thinks it’s fine to not use the slip road to accelerate up to a sensible speed in line with the faster traffic on the bypass, topping out at 30, meaning there’s 4+ vehicles now having to try to join a much faster flowing body of traffic in a short space of road with a large difference in speed, bloody dangerous

[Hibrandenburg]

People who have no idea what a slip road is for

joining the bypass at Straiton heading west earlier, and someone 3 cars ahead thinks it’s fine to not use the slip road to accelerate up to a sensible speed in line with the faster traffic on the bypass, topping out at 30, meaning there’s 4+ vehicles now having to try to join a much faster flowing body of traffic in a short space of road with a large difference in speed, bloody dangerous

They should call it what it is an "acceleration lane". That might help some people understand what it's for.

[McD]

They should call it what it is an "acceleration lane". That might help some people understand what it's for.


totally agree, I debated whether to actually say that in my post

[Future17]

🙄

Is that a Jaguar or a top of the range Mondeo from when Ford owned them?

Just a bad attempt at a "wild animals" pun.

[AltheHibby]

Just a bad attempt at a "wild animals" pun.

It's the wind up I used on a mate who had a Jaguar of that vintage. Apparently, they used the Mondeo floorpan, and ad I drove an Escort Ghia, I told him our cars were both the top of the range versions. .Net will ban me if I try to post his reply!

[lord bunberry]

It's the wind up I used on a mate who had a Jaguar of that vintage. Apparently, they used the Mondeo floorpan, and ad I drove an Escort Ghia, I told him our cars were both the top of the range versions. .Net will ban me if I try to post his reply!
The interior of jags at that time were like fords with an extra helping of wood and leather. It’s taken the Indians to finally drag Jaguar into the 21st century.

[nellio]

People who have no idea what a slip road is for

joining the bypass at Straiton heading west earlier, and someone 3 cars ahead thinks it’s fine to not use the slip road to accelerate up to a sensible speed in line with the faster traffic on the bypass, topping out at 30, meaning there’s 4+ vehicles now having to try to join a much faster flowing body of traffic in a short space of road with a large difference in speed, bloody dangerous

Happened to me last week getting on the bypass coming back from Hermisten gate going towards maybury. All traffic light controlled because of entrance to m9. Car in front went off like a rocket then stopped accelerating at about 30 going uphill to join the bypass.absolute idiot.

[Hermit Crab]

The whole area around Leith walk is just a total disaster. What a mess they've made of it. Just avoid it in your car at all costs if you can.

[CloudSquall]

Speed bumps that aren’t properly marked so you often don’t realise it’s there before it’s too late.

I hit one yesterday at god knows what speed, I didn't know if I'd launched myself into space or broke my back.

Before this month I had only driven when I had to rent a car (not very often) and now I'm driving almost daily in Buenos Aires, both the grey hair and receding hairline are making rapid progress :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

Sure this will have been raised already, but indicating right when going straight on at a roundabout. Just why? What's wrong with a system of indicating left when you're turning left, indicating right when you're turning right, and not indicating when you're not turning? Which genius decided that system could be improved on? :confused:

[Hibrandenburg]

Sure this will have been raised already, but indicating right when going straight on at a roundabout. Just why? What's wrong with a system of indicating left when you're turning left, indicating right when you're turning right, and not indicating when you're not turning? Which genius decided that system could be improved on? :confused:

Maybe a German? In Germany you only indicate when leaving the roundabout.

[CropleyWasGod]

Sure this will have been raised already, but indicating right when going straight on at a roundabout. Just why? What's wrong with a system of indicating left when you're turning left, indicating right when you're turning right, and not indicating when you're not turning? Which genius decided that system could be improved on? :confused:

You were lucky getting a signal.

Today was obviously National Non-indicating Day, given the f'wittery I saw between here and Fife. :rolleyes:

[lapsedhibee]

Maybe a German? In Germany you only indicate when leaving the roundabout.

I get that if you're fogetful here, or a German, you might turn right at a roundabout without having indicated right. What I don't get, whatever nationality you are, is indicating right but then going straight on. Mental!

[lapsedhibee]

You were lucky getting a signal.


I'd rather no signal than a mental signal. We all forget to do things from time to time on the roads, but only a small number of us do mental. There's enough people do the 'indicate right while approaching a roundabout then go straight on' to make me suspect that some instructors are teaching it or there's a Facebook/Twitter group egging each other on. *******s either way.

[O'Rourke3]

I'd rather no signal than a mental signal. We all forget to do things from time to time on the roads, but only a small number of us do mental. There's enough people do the 'indicate right while approaching a roundabout then go straight on' to make me suspect that some instructors are teaching it or there's a Facebook/Twitter group egging each other on. *******s either way.I was taught that early 80s. Along with leaving the roundabout into the left hand lane. A lot fewer duel roundabouts back then and the square root of fall of roundabouts splitting into 3 &4 lanes depending on size. You should then indicate left as soon as you pass the first exit. This signal your intent to those who were waiting from the either side.
These days indicators seem random. Fortunatly those of us who are one with The Force understand whats happening

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[lapsedhibee]

I was taught that early 80s.

Highway Code, Rule 186, roundabouts, is quite clear: Unless you're turning left or right, or doing full 360 degrees,

you should not normally need to signal on approach

[O'Rourke3]

Highway Code, Rule 186, roundabouts, is quite clear: Unless you're turning left or right, or doing full 360 degrees,

you should not normally need to signal on approachAs it should be. I was commenting on what I was taught. I'd be lying if I said I knew that was the rule in the HC in 1980.

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[Scouse Hibee]

Highway Code, Rule 186, roundabouts, is quite clear: Unless you're turning left or right, or doing full 360 degrees,

you should not normally need to signal on approach


Going straight ahead at a roundabout
Unless road markings indicate otherwise, you should use the left lane when going straight ahead. There's no need to signal on approach. Make sure you stay in your lane as you go around the roundabout. When you've passed the exit before the one you need to take, signal left and exit.. Folk who signal riight are clueless.

[Killiehibbie]

Going straight ahead at a roundabout
Unless road markings indicate otherwise, you should use the left lane when going straight ahead. There's no need to signal on approach. Make sure you stay in your lane as you go around the roundabout. When you've passed the exit before the one you need to take, signal left and exit.. Folk who signal riight are clueless.

it does let the clueless ***** coming onto the roundabout know you're definitely not taking the exit they imagined you were:rolleyes:

[matty_f]

Going straight ahead at a roundabout
Unless road markings indicate otherwise, you should use the left lane when going straight ahead. There's no need to signal on approach. Make sure you stay in your lane as you go around the roundabout. When you've passed the exit before the one you need to take, signal left and exit.. Folk who signal riight are clueless.
If I ever find myself arrested for a road rage incident, it will inevitably be as a result of someone not indicating correctly on a roundabout.

The worst are the ones who see you waiting for them to go round past you so you can join and then take the exit before you without signalling.

[lapsedhibee]

The worst are the ones who see you waiting for them to go round past you so you can join and then take the exit before you without signalling.

That's bad in general though there may be some occasions when exits are so close together that you're annoying someone whatever you do with your signalling. I suppose the five roads junction at Eskbank might come into that category, but worse is a (non-roundabout) couple of exits off the A702 heading south out of Edinburgh just after the ski slope where there are two exits to the left (Old Pentland Rd and A703) barely a sixpence apart. When are you supposed to indicate for taking the second exit? :dunno:

[lord bunberry]

I’m sure I’ve mentioned this before but it’s really annoying me again. Drivers who join a queue of traffic at the lights, they stop, leaving a big gap to the car in front, you stop behind them and then they begin edging closer to the car in front. Just drive up to the car in front and stop at reasonable distance ffs. It’s leading to irrational levels of hatred in me that’s just not healthy. 🤬

[Rocky]

That's bad in general though there may be some occasions when exits are so close together that you're annoying someone whatever you do with your signalling. I suppose the five roads junction at Eskbank might come into that category, but worse is a (non-roundabout) couple of exits off the A702 heading south out of Edinburgh just after the ski slope where there are two exits to the left (Old Pentland Rd and A703) barely a sixpence apart. When are you supposed to indicate for taking the second exit? :dunno:

Having pondered that one many's a time I've settled on just before the first exit if taking A703. Late enough that anything waiting to come out of Old Pentland Road doesn't have time to pull out in front of you but still as early as possible to give any cars waiting to come out of A703 a fighting chance of taking advantage of the gap in traffic. Like you say, there's no perfect answer.

[pollution]

Having pondered that one many's a time I've settled on just before the first exit if taking A703. Late enough that anything waiting to come out of Old Pentland Road doesn't have time to pull out in front of you but still as early as possible to give any cars waiting to come out of A703 a fighting chance of taking advantage of the gap in traffic. Like you say, there's no perfect answer.



A tunnel from Flotterstone to Dreghorn would alleviate much of this problem.

[O'Rourke3]

I’m sure I’ve mentioned this before but it’s really annoying me again. Drivers who join a queue of traffic at the lights, they stop, leaving a big gap to the car in front, you stop behind them and then they begin edging closer to the car in front. Just drive up to the car in front and stop at reasonable distance ffs. It’s leading to irrational levels of hatred in me that’s just not healthy. [emoji2959]Last two trips to Porty and its the same at Sheriffhall. The gap to the car in front got to close to 100yds first time to the point they missed the lights by not increasing their(and everyone else else's, speed. Took off like a jet on the Millerhill Road and not slowing through Newton Caught up when they got caught in the temp lights.

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[patch1875]

Or people who creep forward at the front of the q waiting for the red light to change only to take ages to pull away when they do!

[Moulin Yarns]

Or people who creep forward at the front of the q waiting for the red light to change only to take ages to pull away when they do!

And occupy the box 'reserved' for cyclists. Transit van drivers and private hire cars the main culprits.

[lapsedhibee]

People looking at their phone while cycling. Morons!

[speedy_gonzales]

People looking at their phone while cycling. Morons!

Probably the same folk that do it whilst driving albeit they can cause a shed load more damage if they have an accident.
I just don't understand how folk can't go from A to B without juggling their phone for 5 minutes.
I've yet to see the Police pull anyone over for being in their phone but if you sit in traffic regularly, it seems to be everyone picks up their phone at some point.
My company actively encourages you to place your phone in the rear/boot of the vehicle before setting off. The glovebox used to be fine but folk were caught leaning over for it 🙄

[calumhibee1]

Probably the same folk that do it whilst driving albeit they can cause a shed load more damage if they have an accident.
I just don't understand how folk can't go from A to B without juggling their phone for 5 minutes.
I've yet to see the Police pull anyone over for being in their phone but if you sit in traffic regularly, it seems to be everyone picks up their phone at some point.
My company actively encourages you to place your phone in the rear/boot of the vehicle before setting off. The glovebox used to be fine but folk were caught leaning over for it 🙄

I’ve never seen them pull anyone over either. I actually see police drive past people that I can see are on their phone and do nothing. Yet I got points 10 years ago for sitting parked with my engine on whilst on the phone. Technically they were correct to do it but common sense wouldn’t have went a miss.

[Stick]

e scooters.
If they become legal then it will be carnage if what I witnessed this after becomes normal. Driving along Captains road, lad about 16 speeding along on the pavement, no crash helmet. Comes to the traffic lights at Lasswade road, doesn’t slow down and crosses road to pavement on the other side. Caused a car to hit the brakes, luckily missed him by inches.
Drivers and pedestrians have enough to contend with without these things zooming about. Unfortunately I have seen more and more in the last few weeks, and I have no confidence that the police will take any action if their ignoring of cyclists who ignore the Highway Code, is anything to go by.

[Moulin Yarns]

People looking at their phone while cycling. Morons!

I was in Edinburgh on Monday and Tuesday, I was amazed at the number of cyclists who ignored red lights in the city centre.

[lord bunberry]

e scooters.
If they become legal then it will be carnage if what I witnessed this after becomes normal. Driving along Captains road, lad about 16 speeding along on the pavement, no crash helmet. Comes to the traffic lights at Lasswade road, doesn’t slow down and crosses road to pavement on the other side. Caused a car to hit the brakes, luckily missed him by inches.
Drivers and pedestrians have enough to contend with without these things zooming about. Unfortunately I have seen more and more in the last few weeks, and I have no confidence that the police will take any action if their ignoring of cyclists who ignore the Highway Code, is anything to go by.
They’re a menace, my mate got hit by one.

[calumhibee1]

I was in Edinburgh on Monday and Tuesday, I was amazed at the number of cyclists who ignored red lights in the city centre.

I would genuinely say it’s the majority. If I see a cyclist I fully expect them to do something they shouldn’t, especially when it comes to traffic lights.

[Northernhibee]

Let someone out at Leuchars today - a tractor had been turning in a junction just beforehand and there was a big queue of traffic and as I wasn’t up to full speed let her out.

Rather than take the opportunity and get up to speed she crawled out, big beaming grin, waving to everyone and took ages to get to a respectable speed for the road.

[Future17]

e scooters.
If they become legal then it will be carnage if what I witnessed this after becomes normal. Driving along Captains road, lad about 16 speeding along on the pavement, no crash helmet. Comes to the traffic lights at Lasswade road, doesn’t slow down and crosses road to pavement on the other side. Caused a car to hit the brakes, luckily missed him by inches.
Drivers and pedestrians have enough to contend with without these things zooming about. Unfortunately I have seen more and more in the last few weeks, and I have no confidence that the police will take any action if their ignoring of cyclists who ignore the Highway Code, is anything to go by.

There was a guy (maybe late 30s) on one in Portobello yesterday lunchtime. I presume he'd just got it as was all over the place on the pavement and nearly hit a few people.

I lost sight of him when he took it into the Sainsburys Local.

[Alfiembra]

Probably been mentioned on here several times already but people sitting at traffic lights looking down at their phones and not realising the lights have changed. I really thought by now the don’t use your phone while driving message would have sunk in, feels like it’s on the rise, regularly seeing drivers talking with their phones in full view held up to their ear.

[J-C]

Probably been mentioned on here several times already but people sitting at traffic lights looking down at their phones and not realising the lights have changed. I really thought by now the don’t use your phone while driving message would have sunk in, feels like it’s on the rise, regularly seeing drivers talking with their phones in full view held up to their ear.


Happening all too often nowadays, I see it all the time when working in the taxi, they think by having the phone on their lap instead of at their ear they won't get caught but it's more obvious what they're doing when their heads are up and down every few seconds.

[Future17]

Taxi drivers u-turning through red lights at the east end of Princes St to get to the Balmoral taxi rank.

[J-C]

Taxi drivers u-turning through red lights at the east end of Princes St to get to the Balmoral taxi rank.


There isn't a rank at the Balmoral, not an official one that is but I agree they shouldn't do a u turn through a red light and the reason why many people have a problem with taxi drivers is due to a few who think they can do as they like.

[lord bunberry]

Probably been mentioned on here several times already but people sitting at traffic lights looking down at their phones and not realising the lights have changed. I really thought by now the don’t use your phone while driving message would have sunk in, feels like it’s on the rise, regularly seeing drivers talking with their phones in full view held up to their ear.
That’s so annoying, it’s compounded by the fact that they usually realise their mistake and pull away like a stabbed rat, they end up making the lights and you don’t.

[BS44]

Taxi drivers u-turning through red lights at the east end of Princes St to get to the Balmoral taxi rank.

Are they definitely going through a red light? That junction when it's a green light to go towards either Leith St or Wateloo Place, it's a red light for turning right up the Bridges. At the red for straight on then it's green for the right turn.

[lord bunberry]

Are they definitely going through a red light? That junction when it's a green light to go towards either Leith St or Wateloo Place, it's a red light for turning right up the Bridges. At the red for straight on then it's green for the right turn.
They’re turning from the outside lane for going up the bridges when the light is green to go straight ahead. At best they’re turning from the wrong lane, quite often they’re turning when both lights are red and the pedestrian crossing is on go, but is clear of pedestrians. The simple fact is that they shouldn’t be ranking where they are and they shouldn’t be doing u turns either.

[McD]

recklessness and selfishness

coming down the M90 from Perth this afternoon, busy outside lane moving steadily at 70, all over taking a lot of lorries, caravans, winnebago’s, slower folk, etc. It’s busy enough that I generally couldn’t see the furthest car at the front of the traffic queue in the outside lane, and with a good few cars behind me there too, but we’re moving at 70, and almost everyone is satisfied with that

then comes the utter cretin driving a silver Audi A4, 2 cars in front, who can’t resist demonstrating he’s an ********. A reasonable but small empty stretch of inside lane approaches, and this idiot floors it, and undertakes 4 cars doing 70 and comes within a a couple of inches of hitting either the Winnebago in the inside lane and the first of the 4 cars in the outside lane, and nearly hits the central reservation trying to get his car straightened in the outside lane again. All this, risking a good number of lives, so he can move approximately 10 seconds further up a long chain of traffic, moving at a sensible speed anyway, and still with the front of that chain out of sight in the distance.


folk like that don’t stay alive because of their own driving skills, but by the skills of everyone else :idiot:

[EH6 Hibby]

I got beeped at today for not giving way to someone who drove the wrong way down a one way street. Wasn’t till a few minutes later that I actually thought that even if it hadn’t been a one way street, I’d still have had right of way. Mental.

Same journey, someone thought it was acceptable to reverse out a side street into moving traffic on Salamander Street during rush hour.

[CloudSquall]

Probably been mentioned as it's a simple one, but people that turn into your lane right in front of you and the entire responsibility to avoid a crash is put on you.

[calumhibee1]

Punctured tyres. 3rd one this year!!

[patch1875]

What’s with the yoof’s cycling down the road on a wheelie.

[Bangkok Hibby]

What’s with the yoof’s cycling down the road on a wheelie.

Just being yoofs! Showing off, its what yoof do.

[Alfiembra]

Drivers and sorry, but particularly women, that I’ve seen that go into panic mode or freeze at the sight and sound of an emergency vehicle. Saw a woman today that stopped in front of a police car with its lights and sirens on such that he was stuck against an island in the road and couldn’t get round her. All she had to do was pull forward a car length, there were no other vehicles in front of her, and to the left slightly and he was away.

[AltheHibby]

The absolute moron who drove up the wrong lane and pulled in front of me when I was first in line at red lights today.

I don't think she was happy when I pulled alongside after the lights and told her I knew a good driving instructor.

[speedy_gonzales]

Just being yoofs! Showing off, its what yoof do.

Unsure what the cut-off age for yoofs is these days, but I passed a 30ish year old hipster on a bike at Jocks Lodge, cycling (that isn't a surprise), but he was sat back with his arms crossed in front of him, nonchalant to those strike him.
A no-hander isn't a new thing, loads of kids struggle to master that particular craft, but this was during morning rush hour on Edinburgh roads with a surface akin to the moon.

[McD]

Probably been mentioned as it's a simple one, but people that turn into your lane right in front of you and the entire responsibility to avoid a crash is put on you.


yep, think some folk need a reminder that the wee bit space on front of vehicles in other lanes has a purpose, its braking distance to avoid a crash, not so selfish twats can shove their nose in front of you and force you to avoid a collision

[Pretty Boy]

The Cameron Toll roundabout. Or rather people's inability to follow simple instructions at it, particularly when coming from Peffermill direction.

The left lane is both signed and marked 'store and other routes'. If you are going up Old Dalkeith Road or into Cameron Toll then you should be in this lane. The right lane is clearly marked and signed 'City Centre and Old Town'. Taking the 3rd exit up towards Lady Road or going round to Dalkeith Road? This is for you. It's so ****ing simple but every time you are in the right lane you get at least one twat flying up the left of you on the roundabout as you try to merge into the correct lane. They inevitably glare and shout at you when you beep them to warn them you are there completely oblivious to the fact they can't ****ing drive properly.

[Hermit Crab]

The absolute moron who drove up the wrong lane and pulled in front of me when I was first in line at red lights today.

I don't think she was happy when I pulled alongside after the lights and told her I knew a good driving instructor.


Haha thats a good one :greengrin

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

The Cameron Toll roundabout. Or rather people's inability to follow simple instructions at it, particularly when coming from Peffermill direction.

The left lane is both signed and marked 'store and other routes'. If you are going up Old Dalkeith Road or into Cameron Toll then you should be in this lane. The right lane is clearly marked and signed 'City Centre and Old Town'. Taking the 3rd exit up towards Lady Road or going round to Dalkeith Road? This is for you. It's so ****ing simple but every time you are in the right lane you get at least one twat flying up the left of you on the roundabout as you try to merge into the correct lane. They inevitably glare and shout at you when you beep them to warn them you are there completely oblivious to the fact they can't ****ing drive properly.

Same thing happened to us a couple of weeks back. It was my wife who was driving as I'd had a few the night before at the game. We were heading towards Dalkeith Road from Old Dalkieth Road. I was in the passenger seat and could see the car behind us trying to merge into our lane. Told my wife, it's OK your in the right lane. Both my wife and daughter agreed that if it'd be driving I'd probably have tooted and gone into total road rage mode. 😄

[matty_f]

Folk that just drift across lanes, wtf are they doing? Coming through the lights at Barnton heading into Edinburgh, car in front of me was literally straddled across two lanes, started moving into one then decided to settle on the other.

[Scouse Hibee]

Another idiot today turning left from the outside lane because he didn’t think he could drive in the bus lane. I was also turning left but in the inside lane and had to brake sharply to avoid hitting him.

[Hermit Crab]

People that are travelling in the early hours of the morning thinking that speed limits have suddenly been removed and they can go whatever speed they want. Driving home from work this morning just after 4am I was driving along ferry road approaching the lights at quality street were at red for me. 2 cars turned on to ferry road, one was a BMW I think and they other was one of these pick up truck type things and I'm no kidding the pair of them took off like a bat out of hell racing each other. By the time I'd reached the lights at Clermiston they were already hammering through the lights at the bottom of the Drumbrae. They then hammered onto the A90 and disappeared. Pair of absolute whoppers.

[J-C]

Went down to Newcastle yesterday for a gig, live in Porty so went down the A1, traffic was ok but half way down we seen signs saying A1 was closed for 5 nights starting yesterday, after checking online it was confirmed, so we came back via the A68. Jeez what a ****ty wee bendy road the A68 is and the other roads getting onto it. Still can't believe we have these rubbish roads on the east of the country leading out of Scotland to England.

[Killiehibbie]

Went down to Newcastle yesterday for a gig, live in Porty so went down the A1, traffic was ok but half way down we seen signs saying A1 was closed for 5 nights starting yesterday, after checking online it was confirmed, so we came back via the A68. Jeez what a ****ty wee bendy road the A68 is and the other roads getting onto it. Still can't believe we have these rubbish roads on the east of the country leading out of Scotland to England.
The whole Scottish road network is decades out of date. Edinburgh bypass has been a joke since it was built.

[Hermit Crab]

Went down to Newcastle yesterday for a gig, live in Porty so went down the A1, traffic was ok but half way down we seen signs saying A1 was closed for 5 nights starting yesterday, after checking online it was confirmed, so we came back via the A68. Jeez what a ****ty wee bendy road the A68 is and the other roads getting onto it. Still can't believe we have these rubbish roads on the east of the country leading out of Scotland to England.


Thats a great road to drive, especially at night with little or no other traffic around!! If I'm coming back from midweek Man City games I'll sometimes come off the M6 at Carlisle and come up the A7 instead of staying on the M6/M74 to Abington and coming up through Biggar.

[lord bunberry]

Went down to Newcastle yesterday for a gig, live in Porty so went down the A1, traffic was ok but half way down we seen signs saying A1 was closed for 5 nights starting yesterday, after checking online it was confirmed, so we came back via the A68. Jeez what a ****ty wee bendy road the A68 is and the other roads getting onto it. Still can't believe we have these rubbish roads on the east of the country leading out of Scotland to England.
The A68 is a nice road to drive during daylight hours if it’s not too busy. The A1 is a disgrace, it should’ve been upgraded years ago.

[Moulin Yarns]

The whole Scottish road network is decades out of date. Edinburgh bypass has been a joke since it was built.

That's certainly not the case of the 6miles of newly opened dual carriageway on the A9. 😁

[Killiehibbie]

That's certainly not the case of the 6miles of newly opened dual carriageway on the A9. 😁

That the bit with bridges built in the 70's ready for dual carriageway passing underneath?

[Moulin Yarns]

That the bit with bridges built in the 70's ready for dual carriageway passing underneath?

You'll have to be a bit more specific. The whole of the A9 as far as Inverness is being dualled in the next few years.


https://www.transport.gov.scot/media-library/?project=1308



https://www.transport.gov.scot/media-library/?project=1308&project=1311

[Killiehibbie]

You'll have to be a bit more specific. The whole of the A9 as far as Inverness is being dualled in the next few years.


https://www.transport.gov.scot/media-library/?project=1308



https://www.transport.gov.scot/media-library/?project=1308&project=1311

South of Ballinluig it was pointed out to me that the bridges had been prepared for dualling a long time ago. Over 20 years ago and he told me they had been ready for 20 odd years.

[Moulin Yarns]

South of Ballinluig it was pointed out to me that the bridges had been prepared for dualling a long time ago. Over 20 years ago and he told me they had been ready for 20 odd years.

If you mean the bridge from Ballinluig to Aberfeldy, then the road is a dual carriageway to about three quarters of a mile south of the bridge, has been for a good time now, maybe 10 years.


https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Ballinluig_Junction

[Killiehibbie]

If you mean the bridge from Ballinluig to Aberfeldy, then the road is a dual carriageway to about three quarters of a mile south of the bridge, has been for a good time now, maybe 10 years.

I remember when that was put in, horrible junction before then. It would be further down the road and it really pissed him off knowing people had died in head on collisions due to it not happening.

[Pretty Boy]

The whole Scottish road network is decades out of date. Edinburgh bypass has been a joke since it was built.

I always think the road links from Edinburgh going south are shockingly poor. There isn't a single motorway link running out of the city to the south.

You either have the A1 with it's pitiful single carriageway section for miles, a trek across to the M74 or other A roads that are relatively fun to drive but otherwise unfit for purpose as major routes out of a capital city.

Don't even get me started on the Scottish rail network, a relic of another age that should have been improved years ago. Instead we closed much of it down to save cash and then complain more people won't use public transport.

[Killiehibbie]

I always think the road links from Edinburgh going south are shockingly poor. There isn't a single motorway link running out of the city to the south.

You either have the A1 with it's pitiful single carriageway section for miles, a trek across to the M74 or other A roads that are relatively fun to drive but otherwise unfit for purpose as major routes out of a capital city.

Don't even get me started on the Scottish rail network, a relic of another age that should have been improved years ago. Instead we closed much of it down to save cash and then complain more people won't use public transport.

Edinburgh going south has always been crap. I used to prefer cutting across to M74 when driving to London, slightly longer distance but a quicker easier drive.

[One Day Soon]

Edinburgh going south has always been crap. I used to prefer cutting across to M74 when driving to London, slightly longer distance but a quicker easier drive.

:agree: Did Edinburgh to Newcastle on the coast road two weekends ago to collect the kitten mentioned on the Cat and Dog thread. Was actually shocked by how poor that road is.

[hibee_girl]

Electric scooters. Some bright spark was on the Harry Lauder road with one earlier 🤬

[lord bunberry]

Electric scooters. Some bright spark was on the Harry Lauder road with one earlier 🤬
I saw two people on one of them going down the pleasance.

[Hermit Crab]

To the private hire taxi driver that overtook me on the back road from Inverkeithing to Cowdenbeath earlier, on blind bend with double solid white lines in a 40mph zone which I was doing, you sir are an absolute bell end. Professional driver my erchie.

[CloudSquall]

Driving in Buenos Aires.

Girlfriend and I are buying a go pro type of camera to put on our dashboard because we're pretty much 100% sure that it will be used for an insurance claim following an accident at some point.

Everyone gets in the car here already with level 10 road rage, no one can drive to save themselves however everyone believes they are Lewis Hamilton.


I'll have to take the test here in order to get an Argentine license and the practical test appears to be reversing around a cone and you're done.

[Killiehibbie]

To the private hire taxi driver that overtook me on the back road from Inverkeithing to Cowdenbeath earlier, on blind bend with double solid white lines in a 40mph zone which I was doing, you sir are an absolute bell end. Professional driver my erchie.

Bad smash on A77 Saturday morning resulting in road being closed. Onto single carriageway back road from Kilmarnock to Troon with a lot of traffic and one kamikaze pilot thinks he can overtake 12 vehicles in a 40 zone approaching a staggered junction, he just made it in behind me as a car emerged at the junction. If the car behind hadn't let him in there was another road closure.

[Scouse Hibee]

The absolute bellend of a cyclist who as I was turning left out of Kaimes Road this morning into the bus lane at 7am decided to undertake me on inside and also turn left, almost hit him.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Without trying to diminish peoples reports on bad driving, here are a few daily occurrences in Thailand...

People on mopeds driving against one way traffic.
As above but at night with no lights.
People on mopeds joining the main flow of traffic from a side road on the left without looking right.
Bike riders not using mirrors.
Car drivers not using mirrors.
Driving slowly in fast lane and refusing to move.
Joining main flow of 90kph traffic from a side road by forcing their way out then proceeding at 40kph.
Drivers to whom staying in your lane at roundabouts means nothing.
Changing lanes without signalling.
Not turning lights on in heavy rain or lighting up time.
Forgetting to turn indicators off (this includes so called professional drivers, taxis, lorries, police)
Turning left whilst signalling right or vice versa.
Just not signalling.
Jumping red lights.

All the above and more you see daily. Got to have your wits about you.

[Killiehibbie]

Without trying to diminish peoples reports on bad driving, here are a few daily occurrences in Thailand...

People on mopeds driving against one way traffic.
As above but at night with no lights.
People on mopeds joining the main flow of traffic from a side road on the left without looking right.
Bike riders not using mirrors.
Car drivers not using mirrors.
Driving slowly in fast lane and refusing to move.
Joining main flow of 90kph traffic from a side road by forcing their way out then proceeding at 40kph.
Drivers to whom staying in your lane at roundabouts means nothing.
Changing lanes without signalling.
Not turning lights on in heavy rain or lighting up time.
Forgetting to turn indicators off (this includes so called professional drivers, taxis, lorries, police)
Turning left whilst signalling right or vice versa.
Just not signalling.
Jumping red lights.

All the above and more you see daily. Got to have your wits about you.

See much the same in this country.

[Jones28]

Without trying to diminish peoples reports on bad driving, here are a few daily occurrences in Thailand...

People on mopeds driving against one way traffic.
As above but at night with no lights.
People on mopeds joining the main flow of traffic from a side road on the left without looking right.
Bike riders not using mirrors.
Car drivers not using mirrors.
Driving slowly in fast lane and refusing to move.
Joining main flow of 90kph traffic from a side road by forcing their way out then proceeding at 40kph.
Drivers to whom staying in your lane at roundabouts means nothing.
Changing lanes without signalling.
Not turning lights on in heavy rain or lighting up time.
Forgetting to turn indicators off (this includes so called professional drivers, taxis, lorries, police)
Turning left whilst signalling right or vice versa.
Just not signalling.
Jumping red lights.

All the above and more you see daily. Got to have your wits about you.

After watching the Top Gear Burma special I can imagine all of the above. Absolutely terrifying.

[Scouse Hibee]

The knob who thought he could drive the wrong way along Kirk Loan this morning and didn’t look too happy when I told him what a dick he was. It wasn’t a mistake he knew exactly what he was doing.

[speedy_gonzales]

The knob who thought he could drive the wrong way along Kirk Loan this morning and didn’t look too happy when I told him what a dick he was. It wasn’t a mistake he knew exactly what he was doing.

As in driving up to St Johns Rd from the library?
That's not an easy thing to do!

[Scouse Hibee]

As in driving up to St Johns Rd from the library?
That's not an easy thing to do!

Came from the NHS car park and thought he would just head to St John’s Road despite their being four cars heading towards him.

[lord bunberry]

People who don’t put their shopping trolley away when they’ve loaded their car up. Yesterday I saw a trolley roll into a parked car. Absolute *****house behaviour.

[matty_f]

People who don’t put their shopping trolley away when they’ve loaded their car up. Yesterday I saw a trolley roll into a parked car. Absolute *****house behaviour.

Dickheads. :agree:

There’s a couple of spaces, good ones (i.e. close to the entrance) at the car park at Tesco near me that look available until you’re about to pull in and some bawbag has left their trolley there.

[Hermit Crab]

People who don’t put their shopping trolley away when they’ve loaded their car up. Yesterday I saw a trolley roll into a parked car. Absolute *****house behaviour.


Its partly that reason I always parked well away from the main entrance at supermarkets or other big shops, rogue trolleys and the fact that nobody will park beside you if you're far away. A lot of lay bassas nowadays fight it out for spaces close to the entrance because they don't want to walk the length of their nose.