Driving Pet Peeves

[Moulin Yarns]

I don't drive but, I became acutely aware of this in the summer (when sitting outside pubs on junctions) as pedestrians would hardly glance up from their phones as they stepped out into traffic. What's that important that you can't keep your phone in your pocket until you reach your destination?

While being a pedestrian I take great delight in stopping in the path of someone who is on busy texting and letting them either bump into me or jumping as they don't realise they are about to walk into someone.

[Hibrandenburg]

Dicks that park in front of the car wash before going in to the garage to buy a wash card or code and normally take about 15 minutes meaning that everyone else is waiting and the car wash can't be used until aforementioned throbber comes back.

[SaulGoodman]

When petrol stations are absolutely packed and the person at the pump has to make sure their car is in neutral, double check the handbrake before getting out, has to put on the little disposable gloves, finds a nice spot to put down their fuel filler cap, fills their car up with £300 worth of petrol, gently takes the gloves off, wanders around looking for a bin for them, wanders around the shop debating if they need a £7 sandwich or not, pays in change, toddles back to the car, checks for their keys 3 times, sits down, puts their phone in the glove compartment, adjusts the rear view mirror, puts their seatbelt on, sits for 30 seconds as they forget how to start a car, stalls, and then finally pulls away.

[Scouse Hibee]

When petrol stations are absolutely packed and the person at the pump has to make sure their car is in neutral, double check the handbrake before getting out, has to put on the little disposable gloves, finds a nice spot to put down their fuel filler cap, fills their car up with £300 worth of petrol, gently takes the gloves off, wanders around looking for a bin for them, wanders around the shop debating if they need a £7 sandwich or not, pays in change, toddles back to the car, checks for their keys 3 times, sits down, puts their phone in the glove compartment, adjusts the rear view mirror, puts their seatbelt on, sits for 30 seconds as they forget how to start a car, stalls, and then finally pulls away.

My petrol station peeve is people who cause queues by not using a pump unless it’s on the same side as their petrol cap.

[Wembley67]

My petrol station peeve is people who cause queues by not using a pump unless it’s on the same side as their petrol cap.

I think I'm stupid as I genuinely can never get these extra long hoses to reach😁

Sorry scouse.

[Scouse Hibee]

I think I'm stupid as I genuinely can never get these extra long hoses to reach😁

Sorry scouse.

You’re parking too far away! 😉

[Northernhibee]

Cars with dash cams in it, mostly because eight out of ten cars with dash cams are driven by terrible drivers.

[Scouse Hibee]

Watching people who reverse out of a space that have no concept of turning the wheel as they reverse. It’s almost as if they think they have to be two seperate manoeuvres, reverse, stop, turn wheel, reverse, stop, turn wheel if only they realised how easy it to manoeuvre a car by turning as you are moving.

[RyeSloan]

My petrol station peeve is people who cause queues by not using a pump unless it’s on the same side as their petrol cap.

Got to admit I’m no fan of stretching the big rubber hose over my car...prefer to wait for the ‘right side’ pump to be avail.

[Scouse Hibee]

Got to admit I’m no fan of stretching the big rubber hose over my car...prefer to wait for the ‘right side’ pump to be avail.

Neither am and I never do, it goes round the back without touching the car!

[BigKev]

Only just read the last page or so but my driving pet peeves are, in no particular order:

Folk who park on the wrong side of the road facing oncoming traffic on busy roads and expect to be let out as soon as they indicate to cross 2 or 3 lanes of traffic. I never let them out.

Halfwits who try to undercut at lights

Private Hire drivers (bound to be one who can drive without a sat nav and use indicators but yet to find one)

Folk driving at 20mph everywhere

People who can’t park between 2 white lines in a car park

Those who do their weekly shopping in a garage after filling up. Just move ffs.

Double parkers on tight streets

Idiots who have no idea of the right of way

Cyclists who sit in the middle of a lane or who think red lights are for four wheeled vehicles only

That’s it for the moment 😂

[O'Rourke3]

Folk who park on the wrong side of the road facing oncoming traffic

And keep their lights on, the dip blinding all on coming traffic.




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[Pretty Boy]

What this latest nonsense with cyclists wearing what are essentially fake Police vests?

I passed a guy a couple of weeks ago who I thought was a Policeman on a bike, saw another guy last week then when I saw a guy yesterday I slowed right down to have a proper look and see what it was all about. It's a hi vis vest with reflective strips and a blue and white checkerboard patterm across the top. The box on the back looks like POLICE from a distance, it's only when you look closely you realise it says POLITE. One guy had a helmet with the checkerboard pattern round the back as well.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Neither am and I never do, it goes round the back without touching the car!

Same. It usually means you can get through quicker with all the daftys queuing for the one on the “correct” side though.

[Danderhall Hibs]

What this latest nonsense with cyclists wearing what are essentially fake Police vests?

I passed a guy a couple of weeks ago who I thought was a Policeman on a bike, saw another guy last week then when I saw a guy yesterday I slowed right down to have a proper look and see what it was all about. It's a hi vis vest with reflective strips and a blue and white checkerboard patterm across the top. The box on the back looks like POLICE from a distance, it's only when you look closely you realise it says POLITE. One guy had a helmet with the checkerboard pattern round the back as well.

I’ve not seen many of these but I Imagine the theory is that a “white van man” won’t deliberately run a policeman off the road like he would a standard cyclist.

[speedy_gonzales]

What this latest nonsense with cyclists wearing what are essentially fake Police vests?



They're not new, from memory I think it was actually horse riders that started the trend, then motorcyclists copied before cyclists jumped on the bandwagon.
I'm neither for them or against them, but it's frustrating that poor car drivers will complain that they don't see the vulnerable road users but if they think they see "Police" then they'll behave differently.

[Scouse Hibee]

They're not new, from memory I think it was actually horse riders that started the trend, then motorcyclists copied before cyclists jumped on the bandwagon.
I'm neither for them or against them, but it's frustrating that poor car drivers will complain that they don't see the vulnerable road users but if they think they see "Police" then they'll behave differently.

Agreed it seems they have the same affect as the life size cardboard cut out of cops you see in shops, they make folk think twice which isn’t a bad thing.

[RyeSloan]

Neither am and I never do, it goes round the back without touching the car!

Well you must use different garages to me as when I have ever done that you are lucky if the hose reaches and it’s defo not long enough to around the back of the car on the ground without touching the car.

Might work on a small car or a hatchback..neither of which I drive right enough.

Ach well horses for courses I suppose!

[Danderhall Hibs]

Well you must use different garages to me as when I have ever done that you are lucky if the hose reaches and it’s defo not long enough to around the back of the car on the ground without touching the car.

Might work on a small car or a hatchback..neither of which I drive right enough.

Ach well horses for courses I suppose!

I’ve got a Kia Sportage and not had a problem with it. :dunno:

[Scouse Hibee]

Well you must use different garages to me as when I have ever done that you are lucky if the hose reaches and it’s defo not long enough to around the back of the car on the ground without touching the car.

Might work on a small car or a hatchback..neither of which I drive right enough.

Ach well horses for courses I suppose!

Eh? It doesn’t lay on the ground, it’s hanging and easily reaches, try parking closer to the pump 😉

[speedy_gonzales]

Eh? It doesn’t lay on the ground, it’s hanging and easily reaches, try parking closer to the pump 😉

Some hoses are longer than others though.
I can't stretch some hoses over or around the back of a Ford Transit Connect, and I wouldn't dare try it with my private car as I'm not wanting to damage the paintwork with the state of some of the hoses, covered in fuel product and grit.
Many moons ago my then partner dragged a pneumatic airline over the bonnet of my car, it was like she's went over it with a Brillo pad.

[Jones28]

Well you must use different garages to me as when I have ever done that you are lucky if the hose reaches and it’s defo not long enough to around the back of the car on the ground without touching the car.

Might work on a small car or a hatchback..neither of which I drive right enough.

Ach well horses for courses I suppose!

Make sure you’re tight to the pump and that the back of your car is beyond the pump - they reach fine without touching the car provided you’re close enough to the pump.

[RyeSloan]

Make sure you’re tight to the pump and that the back of your car is beyond the pump - they reach fine without touching the car provided you’re close enough to the pump.

Hmm yeah I’m sure if I managed to get it all aligned correctly I could limit the contact but the fuel cap is still a bit down the side of the car so the fuel line still has to come down that side to some degree....You then spend most of your time trying to hold it away from the back panel / boot while filling the car...and that’s if the hose is playing ball, sometimes the recoil power on them is pretty strong so it’s always wanting to go back into the pump.

So I’m sticking to my guns on this in that it’s substantially easier for me to fill the car up when the fuel cap is on the correct side relative to the pump.

Others clearly disagree which is great for them as they save the few minutes on the very occasional time I have to sit and wait but I’ll happily wait for the convenience [emoji2957]

[speedy_gonzales]

sometimes the recoil power on them is pretty strong


We still talking about fuel hoses here or a Magnum 45 ;)

[J-C]

I can get to the other side of my taxi fine, get closer to the pump, it's not difficult.

[Moulin Yarns]

Hmm yeah I’m sure if I managed to get it all aligned correctly I could limit the contact but the fuel cap is still a bit down the side of the car so the fuel line still has to come down that side to some degree....You then spend most of your time trying to hold it away from the back panel / boot while filling the car...and that’s if the hose is playing ball, sometimes the recoil power on them is pretty strong so it’s always wanting to go back into the pump.

So I’m sticking to my guns on this in that it’s substantially easier for me to fill the car up when the fuel cap is on the correct side relative to the pump.

Others clearly disagree which is great for them as they save the few minutes on the very occasional time I have to sit and wait but I’ll happily wait for the convenience [emoji2957]

Many moons ago I remember pulling into a motorway service station, getting out and start filling up. At the pump next to me was a guy with a big Jaguar Sovereign V8, it has 2 filler caps at the bottom of the rear window and it was obviously needing 2 full tanks for the journey. As happens when you are filling up you look around, not paying attention to what you are doing. Well the driver didn't notice that his tank was full and overflowing by the gallons. He didn't fill one tank, then drive round to the other side of the pump to fill the second tank, maybe he should have then his accident might not have happened. :greengrin

[Future17]

Exiting the roundabout in the outside lane travelling East at Sheriffhall.

The number of drivers in the inside lane who instantly try to force their way across to the outside after exiting is incredible. It's impatient and it's dangerous.

If you want to be in that lane when you exit, get into it as you approach the roundabout.

[Future17]

What this latest nonsense with cyclists wearing what are essentially fake Police vests?

I passed a guy a couple of weeks ago who I thought was a Policeman on a bike, saw another guy last week then when I saw a guy yesterday I slowed right down to have a proper look and see what it was all about. It's a hi vis vest with reflective strips and a blue and white checkerboard patterm across the top. The box on the back looks like POLICE from a distance, it's only when you look closely you realise it says POLITE. One guy had a helmet with the checkerboard pattern round the back as well.

I've yet to see this, but it sounds like folk who like dress-up and want to pretend to be cops.

They're probably noting down number plates and making "nee-naw" noises.

[Scouse Hibee]

I've yet to see this, but it sounds like folk who like dress-up and want to pretend to be cops.

They're probably noting down number plates and making "nee-naw" noises.

They’re not new I first saw them a couple of years ago, probably gives the cyclist a greater feeling of security and safety, quite a good idea in my opinion.

[RyeSloan]

They’re not new I first saw them a couple of years ago, probably gives the cyclist a greater feeling of security and safety, quite a good idea in my opinion.

I’m sure the woman who ‘invented my them was on Dragons Den and was laughter off and got a telling off that the police would be less than happy.

I think she got the last laugh tho as her business has went on to sell a bundle of them and made her a few quid at the same time.

[Moulin Yarns]

I’m sure the woman who ‘invented my them was on Dragons Den and was laughter off and got a telling off that the police would be less than happy.

I think she got the last laugh tho as her business has went on to sell a bundle of them and made her a few quid at the same time.


Something wrong with her business plan if she went on to sell a bundle but only made a few quid. 🤔

[Smartie]

Not so much a driving pet peeve but a "drivers" pet peeve.

I was out on foot with my wee girl in her buggy yesterday afternoon. On two different occasions I had stopped the traffic at a crossing, the lights had changed and I had a green man (so presumably the light had been red for some time for the drivers) but still there were drivers skipping the lights to nip through.

If you don't stop at a red light with a guy standing with a child in a buggy, when exactly do you stop?

As a pedestrian, you can't just accept that the green man means you can cross - you have to ensure that all traffic has stopped before making your move.

F ing ridiculous.

I know what it's like as a driver for the lights to change at exactly the wrong moment but this was just taking the piss.

[Alfiembra]

Not so much a driving pet peeve but a "drivers" pet peeve.

I was out on foot with my wee girl in her buggy yesterday afternoon. On two different occasions I had stopped the traffic at a crossing, the lights had changed and I had a green man (so presumably the light had been red for some time for the drivers) but still there were drivers skipping the lights to nip through.

If you don't stop at a red light with a guy standing with a child in a buggy, when exactly do you stop?

As a pedestrian, you can't just accept that the green man means you can cross - you have to ensure that all traffic has stopped before making your move.

F ing ridiculous.

I know what it's like as a driver for the lights to change at exactly the wrong moment but this was just taking the piss.

Had a similar experience up at straiton yesterday, twice tried to cross the road at pedestrian crossings in the car park and both times had to wait while a car nipped across. Both times the drivers gave me a wave as if to say I know I should have stopped.

[Hibee87]

Not a massive peeve as such, other than what appears to be more stupid Light placement.

The roundabout at Bellevue down Annandale street, now has 2 sets of lights just off it. One on the way down, and one when you turn left. Today was the first day I had seen both sets of lights be in operation and the traffic looked to be backed up to to the top of the street. I had come from along Hopetoun crescent so didn't actually affect me, but cars coming from this direction and from the bus station will add to the ones travelling down and being backed up to Elm Row.

[Future17]

Not a massive peeve as such, other than what appears to be more stupid Light placement.

The roundabout at Bellevue down Annandale street, now has 2 sets of lights just off it. One on the way down, and one when you turn left. Today was the first day I had seen both sets of lights be in operation and the traffic looked to be backed up to to the top of the street. I had come from along Hopetoun crescent so didn't actually affect me, but cars coming from this direction and from the bus station will add to the ones travelling down and being backed up to Elm Row.

I'd love the chance to have a chat with the people who make these decisions and discuss the process, as there's a few recent chances which don't seem to have been thought through, or perhaps I just don't understand.

I was at the Seafield Recycling Centre today and I still can't work out the logic for changing the entrance/exit the way they have.

[Hermit Crab]

Drivers that cut you up at junctions or roundabouts who then go on to brake check you for having the cheek to toot your horn at them. That should be points on your license if caught as its so dangerous.

[O'Rourke3]

Drivers that cut you up at junctions or roundabouts who then go on to brake check you for having the cheek to toot your horn at them. That should be points on your license if caught as its so dangerous.Lane discipline in general. Cut up twice by the same car driving from Lothian Road to Charlotte Sq on both 90 degree turns. It's not that hard.

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[O'Rourke3]

Maybe just me but theres a speed camera at Oakbank on the A71. Posted speed of road 50 and it seems every car driving at 50 must slow down to 40 or below just in case..... Does my nut in.

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[J-C]

I've seen 2 pieces of poor driving in the past week. 1st one was at Portobello Rd waiting to turn right into Wakefield Av, an open backed works van came from the left hand lane and cut right across the road to do a right turn, almost causing the front car to hit it as it was also turning right legally. 2nd one was at the end of Sir Harry Lauder Rd where a car came from right hand lane heading towards seafield cut right across 2 lanes to turn left onto Portobello Rd.

I really do wonder how some of these people pass their tests.

[Scouse Hibee]

I've seen 2 pieces of poor driving in the past week. 1st one was at Portobello Rd waiting to turn right into Wakefield Av, an open backed works van came from the left hand lane and cut right across the road to do a right turn, almost causing the front car to hit it as it was also turning right legally. 2nd one was at the end of Sir Harry Lauder Rd where a car came from right hand lane heading towards seafield cut right across 2 lanes to turn left onto Portobello Rd.

I really do wonder how some of these people pass their tests.

I’m convinced some of them haven’t.

[Hibs90]

Not really a driving pet peeve as such but this stretch of the bypass is a disaster waiting to happen. It's almost like a ramp.

https://www.google.com/maps/@55.8929554,-3.1327543,3a,75y,236.4h,93.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgEICutNun_-c636qvFEvcA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en


That was in August and it has got so much worse now, anyone who doesn't know the road hits that at 70 is probably going to cause serious damage to their car and possibly cause a crash. I don't know who is responsible for maintaining that but it needs flattened and a new surface

[pollution]

I’m convinced some of them haven’t.


If there are 50 cars on the road I often wonder how many are legal ie qualified driver or insured.

Living near Dalkeith it is baffling the mess some drivers make of the Sheriffhall roundabout.

[Future17]

Not really a driving pet peeve as such but this stretch of the bypass is a disaster waiting to happen. It's almost like a ramp.

https://www.google.com/maps/@55.8929554,-3.1327543,3a,75y,236.4h,93.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgEICutNun_-c636qvFEvcA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en


That was in August and it has got so much worse now, anyone who doesn't know the road hits that at 70 is probably going to cause serious damage to their car and possibly cause a crash. I don't know who is responsible for maintaining that but it needs flattened and a new surface

I can't picture where that is. Which junctions is it between?

[Jones28]

I can't picture where that is. Which junctions is it between?

Looks like between Baberton and the Hermiston gate turn off to me?

[pollution]

Not really a driving pet peeve as such but this stretch of the bypass is a disaster waiting to happen. It's almost like a ramp.

https://www.google.com/maps/@55.8929554,-3.1327543,3a,75y,236.4h,93.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgEICutNun_-c636qvFEvcA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en


That was in August and it has got so much worse now, anyone who doesn't know the road hits that at 70 is probably going to cause serious damage to their car and possibly cause a crash. I don't know who is responsible for maintaining that but it needs flattened and a new surface


It has been like that for 11 years. It is quite a scare if you are not aware it is there. Passed it again last night.

Every year my MOT includes repairs to my suspension. The authorities know it is there but I suspect the repais cost is too high, perhaps.

[pollution]

Looks like between Baberton and the Hermiston gate turn off to me?


Between Gilmerton and Lasswade west bound.

[RyeSloan]

It has been like that for 11 years. It is quite a scare if you are not aware it is there. Passed it again last night.

Every year my MOT includes repairs to my suspension. The authorities know it is there but I suspect the repais cost is too high, perhaps.

I must have driven over that plenty of times but can’t say I’ve ever noticed!!

[lord bunberry]

I must have driven over that plenty of times but can’t say I’ve ever noticed!!
There’s two of them on the bypass, I noticed for a while the one near Baberton had a 50mph speed limit. I don’t find them that bad tbh, but that’s maybe because I know they’re there.

[Hibby Bairn]

Edinburgh roads are a shambles. Queensferry Road just about bordering on undriveable in certain places. Roads you can’t see any markings (Gogar roundabout approaches, Maybury Road just tarmac now - no paint).

What a mess.

[RyeSloan]

Oh found a new one today...cleaning the inside of your windscreen.

Not only does it seem to require bizarre contortions of your hand / body to actually wipe the thing, no matter what technique or product I use it still seems to be left smeared...even when it looks like it’s not a wee drive in the sunshine soon proves that wrong!

[Scouse Hibee]

Oh found a new one today...cleaning the inside of your windscreen.

Not only does it seem to require bizarre contortions of your hand / body to actually wipe the thing, no matter what technique or product I use it still seems to be left smeared...even when it looks like it’s not a wee drive in the sunshine soon proves that wrong!

I have a long handled padded windscreen cleaner for inside, can do it all comfortably from the drivers seat.

[RyeSloan]

I have a long handled padded windscreen cleaner for inside, can do it all comfortably from the drivers seat.

Sheesh that’s my night sorted then....browsing Amazon for this nifty sounding tool.

Probably one of those things that everyone has that I’ve simply never heard of! [emoji23]

[Jones28]

I have a long handled padded windscreen cleaner for inside, can do it all comfortably from the drivers seat.

Aw where dyou get that from Scouse?

[Scouse Hibee]

Aw where dyou get that from Scouse?

The wife got it, I think it was from one of the cheaper shops like pound type shops or home bargains. You can get them online from Amazon and have also seen similar thing in Halfords. Thought it was a bit daft to be honest when she gave it to me but wouldn’t be without it now, even great for condensation inside first thing in morning.

[heretoday]

New cars are all fat ugly great boats. When did that happen?

I thought we were supposed to be getting more economical and green.

[J-C]

New cars are all fat ugly great boats. When did that happen?

I thought we were supposed to be getting more economical and green.


Status symbol cars, big wide 4x4's taking the kids to the private schools, then onto the gym for their PT class. They're all big diesel guzzling 3 litre engines, because they were told to change to diesel as it was more economical and cheaper road tax.

[Jones28]

New cars are all fat ugly great boats. When did that happen?

I thought we were supposed to be getting more economical and green.

My new car looks great. Kia Optima.

[MrRobot]

People who drive in the right hand lane on the A1 when there is nothing in the left lane. And further to that, people who do it below 70 mph :grr::grr::grr:

[Future17]

My new car looks great. Kia Optima.

I haven't had many cars, but I like Kias. Currently have a Cee'd but had an Optima as a rental on holiday - very nice and easy to drive.

Quite fancy the Stinger but a bit out of my price range. :greengrin

[Jones28]

I haven't had many cars, but I like Kias. Currently have a Cee'd but had an Optima as a rental on holiday - very nice and easy to drive.

Quite fancy the Stinger but a bit out of my price range. :greengrin

They are class.

The value for money with Kia is immeasurable compared to the premium German brands. The equivalent kit for my car on a Mercedes would be knocking £45,000.

[Alfiembra]

Not being able to drive just now with the lockdown, I miss the freedom of just jumping in the car and heading off wherever and whenever I want too.

[Scouse Hibee]

Not being able to drive just now with the lockdown, I miss the freedom of just jumping in the car and heading off wherever and whenever I want too.

I know what you mean, I am fortunate that I get out in the car twice a day to take/pick up my son from work, it only takes me 15 mins each way but it feels like a release from captivity twice a day.

[Future17]

I know what you mean, I am fortunate that I get out in the car twice a day to take/pick up my son from work, it only takes me 15 mins each way but it feels like a release from captivity twice a day.

Are you not breaking the law by doing so?

[Scouse Hibee]

Are you not breaking the law by doing so?

Why? I am taking a key worker from my own household to his place of employment thus lessening the risk of him travelling on public transport.
If that’s breaking the law then I’ll take the fine, no way am I letting him go on a bus, hopefully the IT will be sorted for him to work from home sometime next week. He carries a letter confirming his status in case we are stopped.

[Future17]

Why? I am taking a key worker from my own household to his place of employment thus lessening the risk of him travelling on public transport.
If that’s breaking the law then I’ll take the fine, no way am I letting him go on a bus, hopefully the IT will be sorted for him to work from home sometime next week.

Because you taking someone else to their work isn't considered to be a "reasonable excuse" to leave your home under the law.

I absolutely understand why you would want to, but there are thousands if not millions of people across the UK who want to do things they think should be fine but are against the law and the governmental advice. If they all did what they liked and took the fine we'd all be in trouble very quickly.

[Scouse Hibee]

Because you taking someone else to their work isn't considered to be a "reasonable excuse" to leave your home under the law.

I absolutely understand why you would want to, but there are thousands if not millions of people across the UK who want to do things they think should be fine but are against the law and the governmental advice. If they all did what they liked and took the fine we'd all be in trouble very quickly.

Can you show me where that is stated?

[Future17]

Can you show me where that is stated?

Do you live in England or Scotland?

[Scouse Hibee]

Do you live in England or Scotland?

Edinburgh and his work who issued the letter confirmed his travel arrangements are okay so that’s good enough for me, as it’s under do not use public transport unless you have to, he doesn’t as I take him.

[weecounty hibby]

Because you taking someone else to their work isn't considered to be a "reasonable excuse" to leave your home under the law.

I absolutely understand why you would want to, but there are thousands if not millions of people across the UK who want to do things they think should be fine but are against the law and the governmental advice. If they all did what they liked and took the fine we'd all be in trouble very quickly.
I think you are wrong with that. I and my work are still operating and we have said that there should be no use of public transport, no car sharing EXCEPT if you are being brought to work by a family member from the same household. And that is based in government guidance

[Future17]

Edinburgh and his work who issued the letter confirmed his travel arrangements are okay so that’s good enough for me, as it’s under do not use public transport unless you have to, he doesn’t as I take him.

The relevant section of the legislation is below for Scotland:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2020/103/regulation/8/made

I obviously don't know where your son works or what his employer has told him, but would imagine the advice not to use public transport unless you have to means if you can't walk, cycle, or drive yourself.

[Future17]

I think you are wrong with that. I and my work are still operating and we have said that there should be no use of public transport, no car sharing EXCEPT if you are being brought to work by a family member from the same household. And that is based in government guidance

Totally willing to accept I might be wrong, but I haven't seen that guidance and know of at least one police officer who hasn't either.

[Scouse Hibee]

The relevant section of the legislation is below for Scotland:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2020/103/regulation/8/made

I obviously don't know where your son works or what his employer has told him, but would imagine the advice not to use public transport unless you have to means if you can't walk, cycle, or drive yourself.

I think I am fine, just spoke to a cop who happened to be parked up in Morrisons at the Gyle, he said what I am doing is reasonable and in no way endangering anyone else, in fact I am lessening the contact my son has with anyone else so he wouldn’t have a problem if he ever had cause to stop me. A sensible interpretation are the words he used.

[weecounty hibby]

Totally willing to accept I might be wrong, but I haven't seen that guidance and know of at least one police officer who hasn't either.

We have issued letters to all staff regarding this and it is completely acceptable to be driven to work by a close family member from the same household.

[Scouse Hibee]

We have issued letters to all staff regarding this and it is completely acceptable to be driven to work by a close family member from the same household.

Of course it is, it poses absolutely no danger to anyone and limits the exposure to key workers.

[Future17]

I think I am fine, just spoke to a cop who happened to be parked up in Morrisons at the Gyle, he said what I am doing is reasonable and in no way endangering anyone else, in fact I am lessening the contact my son has with anyone else so he wouldn’t have a problem if he ever had cause to stop me. A sensible interpretation are the words he used.


We have issued letters to all staff regarding this and it is completely acceptable to be driven to work by a close family member from the same household.


Of course it is, it poses absolutely no danger to anyone and limits the exposure to key workers.

As I understand it, the basic principle is that nobody should be leaving their home who doesn't need to, but I totally understand the counter argument. It's not what the law or, as far as I can see, the guidance says though.

Weecounty Hibby - do you know what Government guidance your letters are based on?

[weecounty hibby]

As I understand it, the basic principle is that nobody should be leaving their home who doesn't need to, but I totally understand the counter argument. It's not what the law or, as far as I can see, the guidance says though.

Weecounty Hibby - do you know what Government guidance your letters are based on?

No, but I do know that senior execs within our company met with MPs and MSPs last week and outlined every protocol that we have put in place to allow us to operate safely, including how to get to work. The fact that we are still operating and the guidance remains that close family members can drive employees into work makes me think that it was accepted

[Future17]

No, but I do know that senior execs within our company met with MPs and MSPs last week and outlined every protocol that we have put in place to allow us to operate safely, including how to get to work. The fact that we are still operating and the guidance remains that close family members can drive employees into work makes me think that it was accepted

Fair enough. It just strikes me as being strange because if it's preferrable to other transport options, I'd expect it to be highlighted in the guidance.

[Speedy]

Fair enough. It just strikes me as being strange because if it's preferrable to other transport options, I'd expect it to be highlighted in the guidance.

Certainly seems like a sensible interpretation. Arguably it would be covered under travel for work or voluntary services in the guidance link above.

[Jack]

I'm still working, driving my wee van through to Glasgow, up to Perth and around Edinburgh.

It's an absolute pleasure driving these days without all the nutters on the road! There's hardly anyone cruising in the outside lanes for example. Not much of an issue with lorries overtaking lorries either. Everyone seems to be courteous, getting on with each other very nicely.

One thing I've noticed, particularly on the motorways, is there's a wee line of dirt and dust forming in the middle of some carriageways. Not as bad as country roads where farmers deposit half their field on them but a track all the same.

I really enjoy driving, been doing it for over 40 years and the last couple of weeks has reminded me why.

[J-C]

Fair enough. It just strikes me as being strange because if it's preferrable to other transport options, I'd expect it to be highlighted in the guidance.

My wife received a letter from her work at M&S and she got one for me if I had to drive her to work, she'd since been furloughed for 2 months but due the lack of buses I would've had to drive her in if needed, hence the letter for me to carry in case I got stopped.

[Future17]

My wife received a letter from her work at M&S and she got one for me if I had to drive her to work, she'd since been furloughed for 2 months but due the lack of buses I would've had to drive her in if needed, hence the letter for me to carry in case I got stopped.

What did it say specifically?

[J-C]

What did it say specifically?


TBH I did say I had a letter, that was wrong sorry, I thought she had one for me if I had to drive her into work, she received her own individual one but seeing as she's been furloughed, one for me is not necessary now.

[Future17]

TBH I did say I had a letter, that was wrong sorry, I thought she had one for me if I had to drive her into work, she received her own individual one but seeing as she's been furloughed, one for me is not necessary now.

No worries, thanks for replying. If Government are giving different advice to employers (or at least accepting the travel proposals of employers for employees) from the law and published guidance, it's no wonder there's confusion.

[J-C]

No worries, thanks for replying. If Government are giving different advice to employers (or at least accepting the travel proposals of employers for employees) from the law and published guidance, it's no wonder there's confusion.

When asked about being furloughed, she was firstly asked if she wanted it or wanted to carry on working with an extra 15% on her wage. Travel to work was going to be a problem as she doesn't drive and buses are now very sparse, so her company have taken all these factors and decided who can work and who was being furloughed. AFAIK if she has to work M&S will issue me a letter explaining I am taking a key worker to and from her work, TBH all the police have to do is phone her work and be told my wife is working, surely it's only common sense this will happen re key workers and travel.

[Future17]

When asked about being furloughed, she was firstly asked if she wanted it or wanted to carry on working with an extra 15% on her wage. Travel to work was going to be a problem as she doesn't drive and buses are now very sparse, so her company have taken all these factors and decided who can work and who was being furloughed. AFAIK if she has to work M&S will issue me a letter explaining I am taking a key worker to and from her work, TBH all the police have to do is phone her work and be told my wife is working, surely it's only common sense this will happen re key workers and travel.

I think there's arguments on both sides, but would agree it seems the most sensible option if the key worker is unable to travel alone.

I've just posted this on the main Coronavirus thread - the situation seems to be getting less clear by the day.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52312560

[Hibby Bairn]

Folk that think because the traffic is so much lighter just now that main roads are Silverstone simulators.

[speedy_gonzales]

Folk that think because the traffic is so much lighter just now that main roads are Silverstone simulators.

Yup, just had a hoodlum in a Ford Focus ST (not even an RS) straight-line the Drum Brae roundabout going from Glasgow Road in to St John's Road where the 20mph zone starts and he was doing at least 50 mph.
There's less traffic on general out there, and less pedestrians about, but I wouldn't be surprised if accidents/fatalities remain at the same level prior to lockdown.
Ironically, some insurers are handing out token refunds to policy holders due to there being less claims over the last few weeks.

[Future17]

Yup, just had a hoodlum in a Ford Focus ST (not even an RS) straight-line the Drum Brae roundabout going from Glasgow Road in to St John's Road where the 20mph zone starts and he was doing at least 50 mph.
There's less traffic on general out there, and less pedestrians about, but I wouldn't be surprised if accidents/fatalities remain at the same level prior to lockdown.
Ironically, some insurers are handing out token refunds to policy holders due to there being less claims over the last few weeks.

There's been zero fatalities on the roads so far this month for Lothian, Fife and Central.

EDIT: Should have kept my mouth shut as there was a fatality in Fife on Monday.

[speedy_gonzales]

There's been zero fatalities on the roads so far this month for Lothian, Fife and Central.

EDIT: Should have kept my mouth shut as there was a fatality in Fife on Monday.

Thankfully then, "we" haven't been too bad but I've read stories elsewhere of cyclists and pedestrians bring seriously injured and killed since lockdown.
I'm not suggesting their should be zero accidents, but at the beginning the roads were so quiet, I don't understand how the conflict between users could happen.

Just to reiterate my point, a story from the BBC today

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52370352

[Jones28]

People still driving aggressively/bad practice even now.

Examples: Edinburgh bound M9 at around the same time for 3 mornings last week 2 young women in a silver Ford Focus have been doing in excess of 90/100 mph, right up the arse of cars in the inside lane. Stupid speed and aggressive driving.

Cars squeezing past in the overtaking lane and instead of leaving a sensible gap they pull in when they’re past by a couple of inches. Is it a general consensus that it’s safe to pull in when you can see the car in your rear view mirror or is that just me?

[StevieT]

People still driving aggressively/bad practice even now.

Examples: Edinburgh bound M9 at around the same time for 3 mornings last week 2 young women in a silver Ford Focus have been doing in excess of 90/100 mph, right up the arse of cars in the inside lane. Stupid speed and aggressive driving.

Cars squeezing past in the overtaking lane and instead of leaving a sensible gap they pull in when they’re past by a couple of inches. Is it a general consensus that it’s safe to pull in when you can see the car in your rear view mirror or is that just me?

I always wait until I can see the other car in my rear view mirror before moving back in

[Scouse Hibee]

I always wait until I can see the other car in my rear view mirror before moving back in

Agreed that’s how I was taught by my instructor many years ago.

[Peevemor]

Agreed that’s how I was taught by my instructor many years ago.Ditto.

[O'Rourke3]

I always wait until I can see the other car in my rear view mirror before moving back inAnd indicate..... Not saying you dont btw. Indicators seem to be a lost art.

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[Scouse Hibee]

Some unbelievable driving in Corstorphine last week, I’m behind a guy who suddenly brakes, I respond and brake too, he then speeds up a bit then brakes and sits about 10mph, so I brake and sit behind him absolutely clueless as to what he is up to. He then starts waving which indicates he maybe wants me to overtake him on the inside, I stick behind him as he speeds up again and then brakes to about 10mph and waves angrily again, all this as he remains in the outside lane. He then speeds up and pulls into the inside lane further on where he winds down his window and screams at me the that the car behind me is following him somewhere and he wanted me to go on so she could get behind him 😂

What a knob, he obviously thought I was a mind reader instead of him just doing the sensible thing of pulling to the inside and waiting for her, absolute clueless driving from him.

[McD]

Some unbelievable driving in Corstorphine last week, I’m behind a guy who suddenly brakes, I respond and brake too, he then speeds up a bit then brakes and sits about 10mph, so I brake and sit behind him absolutely clueless as to what he is up to. He then starts waving which indicates he maybe wants me to overtake him on the inside, I stick behind him as he speeds up again and then brakes to about 10mph and waves angrily again, all this as he remains in the outside lane. He then speeds up and pulls into the inside lane further on where he winds down his window and screams at me the that the car behind me is following him somewhere and he wanted me to go on so she could get behind him 😂

What a knob, he obviously thought I was a mind reader instead of him just doing the sensible thing of pulling to the inside and waiting for her, absolute clueless driving from him.


What a clown... why not just pull over?

[Hibrandenburg]

And indicate..... Not saying you dont btw. Indicators seem to be a lost art.

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There is no requirement to indicate when moving back into your own lane after overtaking.

[Moulin Yarns]

What a clown... why not just pull over?

he was a sweater.

[lapsedhibee]

he was a sweater.

Purlease. :bitchy:

[Killiehibbie]

Some unbelievable driving in Corstorphine last week, I’m behind a guy who suddenly brakes, I respond and brake too, he then speeds up a bit then brakes and sits about 10mph, so I brake and sit behind him absolutely clueless as to what he is up to. He then starts waving which indicates he maybe wants me to overtake him on the inside, I stick behind him as he speeds up again and then brakes to about 10mph and waves angrily again, all this as he remains in the outside lane. He then speeds up and pulls into the inside lane further on where he winds down his window and screams at me the that the car behind me is following him somewhere and he wanted me to go on so she could get behind him 😂

What a knob, he obviously thought I was a mind reader instead of him just doing the sensible thing of pulling to the inside and waiting for her, absolute clueless driving from him.
Did he think the guy following was incapable of keeping track of him?

[Moulin Yarns]

Purlease. :bitchy:

Knit what you expected? 🧶

[Scouse Hibee]

Did he think the guy following was incapable of keeping track of him?

It was a girl and she was directly behind me so hardly losing him, I must have split them up when I entered the roundabout. Surely just pull in if you think someone following has fallen behind?

[Killiehibbie]

It was a girl and she was directly behind me so hardly losing him, I must have split them up when I entered the roundabout. Surely just pull in if you think someone following has fallen behind?

You would think that would be easier or just put the destination into her sat nav or phone but if she was as thick as him they'd be better getting a taxi

[CropleyWasGod]

Knit what you expected? 🧶

Fed up with this yarn now.

(See what I did there?)

[Hibs90]

Just to further the car sharing thing. The original guidance we had from work (NHS) was that we could car share where possible, that was over a month ago though.

[Moulin Yarns]

Fed up with this yarn now.

(See what I did there?)

Almost pulled the wool over my eyes.

[O'Rourke3]

There is no requirement to indicate when moving back into your own lane after overtaking.Maybe not, but pulling in a few metres after passing me and making me brake is not decent driving.

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[Alfiembra]

When you are approaching a side road and a car zooms up to the give way line with the driver looking away from you, then brakes really hard when they finally look towards you and glares at you because they’ve had to slow down or stop.

[overdrive]

Is it just me or are most drivers totally ignoring zebra crossings since lockdown?

I live just off McDonald Road so I cross the zebra crossing just at the Co-op most days. It seems to be the exception that cars stop these days. One even peeped me mid cross today.

[sleeping giant]

Is it just me or are most drivers totally ignoring zebra crossings since lockdown?

I live just off McDonald Road so I cross the zebra crossing just at the Co-op most days. It seems to be the exception that cars stop these days. One even peeped me mid cross today.

Peeped or beeped ?

[overdrive]

Peeped or beeped ?

Beeped :faf:

[Onceinawhile]

People undertaking.

I was driving through Corstorphine on Tuesday, just before 8 - so the bus lanes were on. As a result I was in the outside lane doing 20 miles an hour.

As we moved into the 30 mph area, I started speeding up, and a van and a car went into the bus lane and went past me.

Of course the traffic lights not too far ahead went red and I caught them up quite quickly. But I just didn't understand it,

[lapsedhibee]

People undertaking.

I was driving through Corstorphine on Tuesday, just before 8 - so the bus lanes were on. As a result I was in the outside lane doing 20 miles an hour.

As we moved into the 30 mph area, I started speeding up, and a van and a car went into the bus lane and went past me.

Of course the traffic lights not too far ahead went red and I caught them up quite quickly. But I just didn't understand it,

Out cycling yesterday and there seemed to be an unusually high number of drivers beeping at each other. I wonder if some have got so used to having the roads to themselves recently that they are now extra impatient.

[Future17]

Maybe not, but pulling in a few metres after passing me and making me brake is not decent driving.

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I agree with this. I think it's a problem anyway, but when it's done without indication it makes it a lot more dangerous.


Out cycling yesterday and there seemed to be an unusually high number of drivers beeping at each other. I wonder if some have got so used to having the roads to themselves recently that they are now extra impatient.

I drove from Edinburgh to Grangemouth yesterday and the roads seemed a lot busier than they have been. Some of the driving was ridiculous. I keep meaning to get a dashcam and yesterday made that more urgent in my mind.

[staunchhibby]

Definitely more traffic on the roads this morning

[Scouse Hibee]

At the bottom of Clermiston Road on the corner near specialised signs there are a set of traffic lights, when the green arrow light appears but the top red light is still there it means you can go straight ahead but not turn left as the pedestrians have a green man and right to cross clermiston road. People beep their horn when you
don’t go and turn left as people go ahead on the green light, can they not understand traffic lights!

[Hibby Bairn]

Definitely more traffic on the roads this morning

Aye. And I see that not many have improved their driving over the past 10 weeks. After a nice, calm period on the roads it was more back to normal. A few instances of road rage, speeding everywhere, not letting cars merge, others ignoring roadworks merging and tanking up the lane they can see is closed ahead, speeding past cyclists, undertaking.

Ah well. It was good whilst it lasted.

[speedy_gonzales]

At the bottom of Clermiston Road on the corner near specialised signs there are a set of traffic lights, when the green arrow light appears but the top red light is still there it means you can go straight ahead but not turn left as the pedestrians have a green man and right to cross clermiston road. People beep their horn when you
don’t go and turn left as people go ahead on the green light, can they not understand traffic lights!

Absolutely not an excuse, but that pedestrian light phase is relatively new. Many drivers are on automatic pilot half the time, they don't really pay attention to the sequencing but see green and want to go!

[weecounty hibby]

Coming home from work yesterday. I'm about 5 miles from home and the road is mostly 60 limit dripping down to 40 for a bit, back to 60 and then in town to 30. I get stuck behind a taxi doing 40 all through the 60 limit. I sit behind him at a reasonable distance and he continues at 40 in the 40 zone. Back to 60 zone and still doing 40. We than get into the 30 zone and he actually speeds up to 45. What the **** is that all about!!

[Future17]

The speeds being driven by some drivers on the bypass yesterday. This is definitely something which has got worse since lockdown started. The stretch from Sheriffhall to Old Craighall is particularly bad for some reason.

[Pretty Boy]

Coming home from work yesterday. I'm about 5 miles from home and the road is mostly 60 limit dripping down to 40 for a bit, back to 60 and then in town to 30. I get stuck behind a taxi doing 40 all through the 60 limit. I sit behind him at a reasonable distance and he continues at 40 in the 40 zone. Back to 60 zone and still doing 40. We than get into the 30 zone and he actually speeds up to 45. What the **** is that all about!!

One speed drivers are my biggest driving peeve, I've mentioned them before on here.

The worst area I encounter regularly is when you exit Sherrifhall onto the A6106. The limit goes 60 to 40 to 30 back to 60 then finally down to 30 again at The Wisp. The number of times I get stuck behind someone who sits at 40 for the entire stretch outnumber people who actually vary their speed by about 3 to 1.

Another one is Harry Lauder Road. Limit is 40 and you get stuck behind someone doing just under 30 who then slams the brakes when they see the speed camera. WTF?

[HappyAsHellas]

Undertaken twice today coming back on the Glasgow road towards Corstorphine. I was doing 40. Mental out there at times now.

[ACLeith]

Another one is Harry Lauder Road. Limit is 40 and you get stuck behind someone doing just under 30 who then slams the brakes when they see the speed camera. WTF?

Going out of town the other day on HL Road, big queue doing 25 mph. Couldn’t see who was at the head of the queue but vented my spleen to myself! Got to the lights, the queue split into 2 as it usually does and I saw the car doing 25 was - a hearse, with the mourners in 3 cars behind it!

Was so glad I hadn’t blasted the horn

[Scouse Hibee]

As you approach a set of red lights in the inside lane which is empty, the traffic in the outside lane is static, the lights change as you are approaching them in second gear so your rolling start gets you through them first. The drivers that see this as a challenge to their superiority and accelerate aggressively to get in front of you is hilarious. Even better when you then see an obstruction ahead so you indicate and move into outside lane as you go, this infuriates them more and some then attempt to undertake you further on 😂

[McD]

As you approach a set of red lights in the inside lane which is empty, the traffic in the outside lane is static, the lights change as you are approaching them in second gear so your rolling start gets you through them first. The drivers that see this as a challenge to their superiority and accelerate aggressively to get in front of you is hilarious. Even better when you then see an obstruction ahead so you indicate and move into outside lane as you go, this infuriates them more and some then attempt to undertake you further on 😂


on a similar note, and more amusing than a peeve, I see/experience this Frequently when visiting the in-laws in Perth.

join the motorway, settle in at about 70, overtake a car doing about 60 (as often as not, it’s a souped golf or civic, sometimes a big German car :greengrin), seconds later they come racing by because their ego can’t take getting overtaken by anyone, then a few miles down the road, still doing a consistent 70, overtake the same car as they’re back doing less speed as they don’t have any idea of how to just sit at a steady speed. They then repeat their aggressive overtaking. Repeat 3-5 times on the journey.

[Peevemor]

on a similar note, and more amusing than a peeve, I see/experience this Frequently when visiting the in-laws in Perth.

join the motorway, settle in at about 70, overtake a car doing about 60 (as often as not, it’s a souped golf or civic, sometimes a big German car :greengrin), seconds later they come racing by because their ego can’t take getting overtaken by anyone, then a few miles down the road, still doing a consistent 70, overtake the same car as they’re back doing less speed as they don’t have any idea of how to just sit at a steady speed. They then repeat their aggressive overtaking. Repeat 3-5 times on the journey.I've noticed this too and a lot seems to depend on the car that you're driving.

I live 10 miles from my work and, for a while, it was mostly dual carriageway (I've since moved, but still roughly the same distance).

At the time I had a 17/18 year old Twingo and a lot of people in German saloons just couldn't handle me overtaking them, even if they were under the speed limit. Cue 4-5 leap-fogging sessions every week.

When the Twingo was about to die on me. I bought a fairly new and shiny Corolla Verso. While it's a great car, it's nothing that special either - however I noticed straight away that the leap froggers don't have the same issue as with the Twingo.

In general I now overtake once and that's it.

Very strange behaviour.

[grunt]

As you approach a set of red lights in the inside lane which is empty, the traffic in the outside lane is static, the lights change as you are approaching them in second gear so your rolling start gets you through them first. The drivers that see this as a challenge to their superiority and accelerate aggressively to get in front of you is hilarious. Even better when you then see an obstruction ahead so you indicate and move into outside lane as you go, this infuriates them more and some then attempt to undertake you further on 😂
Specially when the inside lane is a part time bus lane, which many drivers seem to avoid at all times. Welcome to Milton Road West.

[Moulin Yarns]

on a similar note, and more amusing than a peeve, I see/experience this Frequently when visiting the in-laws in Perth.

join the motorway, settle in at about 70, overtake a car doing about 60 (as often as not, it’s a souped golf or civic, sometimes a big German car :greengrin), seconds later they come racing by because their ego can’t take getting overtaken by anyone, then a few miles down the road, still doing a consistent 70, overtake the same car as they’re back doing less speed as they don’t have any idea of how to just sit at a steady speed. They then repeat their aggressive overtaking. Repeat 3-5 times on the journey.

Yeah, they have no idea how to use cruise control.

[EH6 Hibby]

I’m going to have a bitch about traffic lights. Why are some on a sensor during quieter times and others aren’t? For example, the lights on constitution street and queen Charlotte street. They are usually on a sensor on evening and weekends, even now when there is practically no need for them at all with constitution street being closed, they’re usually on a sensor, so when you drive up to them, they nearly always change to green. Every now and then this isn’t the case, at the moment, they are set for the green man to be activated automatically as soon as it goes back to red. This means sitting waiting for no cars coming the other way and no pedestrians crossing every time you drive down that way. There’s other lights that seem to be like this all the time too, the ones at the junction of Stevenson road and Westfield road spring to mind. I drove past there every Saturday morning Pre lockdown at 7.30am, and would have to wait what felt like about 5 minutes to get through when I was often the only person on the road, most other lights at that time are on a sensor.

[speedy_gonzales]

I’m going to have a bitch about traffic lights. Why are some on a sensor during quieter times and others aren’t? For example, the lights on constitution street and queen Charlotte street. They are usually on a sensor on evening and weekends, even now when there is practically no need for them at all with constitution street being closed, they’re usually on a sensor, so when you drive up to them, they nearly always change to green. Every now and then this isn’t the case, at the moment, they are set for the green man to be activated automatically as soon as it goes back to red. This means sitting waiting for no cars coming the other way and no pedestrians crossing every time you drive down that way. There’s other lights that seem to be like this all the time too, the ones at the junction of Stevenson road and Westfield road spring to mind. I drove past there every Saturday morning Pre lockdown at 7.30am, and would have to wait what felt like about 5 minutes to get through when I was often the only person on the road, most other lights at that time are on a sensor.
The council have recently underwent a program of signal re-controls. The green man phase has been set to come on, even if there has been no request.
The idea is to give pedestrians a priority, but if there nobody there to press the button,,,, do they need priority?

[EH6 Hibby]

The council have recently underwent a program of signal re-controls. The green man phase has been set to come on, even if there has been no request.
The idea is to give pedestrians a priority, but if there nobody there to press the button,,,, do they need priority?

Isn’t that like the whole purpose of traffic lights in the first place? If a pedestrian wants to cross they press it which gives them priority to cross. But yeah that’s exactly my point, 4 times I had to drive that way yesterday, and 4 times I was sat waiting for nothing and no one.

[lapsedhibee]

The council have recently underwent a program of signal re-controls. The green man phase has been set to come on, even if there has been no request.
If that's the case, :crazy:

[CropleyWasGod]

The council have recently underwent a program of signal re-controls. The green man phase has been set to come on, even if there has been no request.
The idea is to give pedestrians a priority, but if there nobody there to press the button,,,, do they need priority?

If there is no one to press the button, does no one hear their screams when the car goes over the top of them?

[Moulin Yarns]

The council have recently underwent a program of signal re-controls. The green man phase has been set to come on, even if there has been no request.
The idea is to give pedestrians a priority, but if there nobody there to press the button,,,, do they need priority?

This is so that people don't have to touch the button during the Covid-19 crisis. Other councils have been doing the same.

[EH6 Hibby]

This is so that people don't have to touch the button during the Covid-19 crisis. Other councils have been doing the same.

They’ve only just done it down my way if that’s the case, seems a bit late in the pandemic to do it.

[Jack]

They’ve only just done it down my way if that’s the case, seems a bit late in the pandemic to do it.

Only one council worker made it to the Zoom training course. He's been awfully busy doing it on his own.

[Killiehibbie]

Only one council worker made it to the Zoom training course. He's been awfully busy doing it on his own.

Not true. 200 of them going as fast they normally do.

[Moulin Yarns]

They’ve only just done it down my way if that’s the case, seems a bit late in the pandemic to do it.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/perth-kinross/1359917/do-not-press-the-button-coronavirus-leads-to-new-hands-free-pedestrian-crossings-across-perth-and-kinross/

[lapsedhibee]

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/perth-kinross/1359917/do-not-press-the-button-coronavirus-leads-to-new-hands-free-pedestrian-crossings-across-perth-and-kinross/

Don't understand this.
"Traffic signals will also be re-calibrated to ensure an automatic pedestrian phase, meaning they will be set to turn red even if there’s no one waiting to cross."

If they're installing sensors which turn the lights red when someone is waiting to cross, why is there a need to turn the lights red when no one is waiting to cross? Is this just so that someone and no-one have equal rights? PC gone mad.

[Scouse Hibee]

At the bottom of Clermiston Road on the corner near specialised signs there are a set of traffic lights, when the green arrow light appears but the top red light is still there it means you can go straight ahead but not turn left as the pedestrians have a green man and right to cross clermiston road. People beep their horn when you
don’t go and turn left as people go ahead on the green light, can they not understand traffic lights!

Raising this again, sitting at the same lights on Saturday, the green for go ahead is on but red for turning left. I am sitting at front of queue with left indicator on waiting for light to change, blue Mercedes behind me stationary then decides he will pull out, go round me and turn left through the red light! Just as he starts this manoeuvre the lights change to green, fortunately I realised what he was doing or we might have collided as I pulled of and he turned left from the outside lane. Think I’ll start to give these lights a miss and go straight ahead and turn left up Kaimes Road instead, probably safer.

[lord bunberry]

The new style traffic lights that go green for the cyclists a few seconds before the green for cars. I’ve started to notice more and more drivers using the cyclists green as an excuse to get away quickly and make a right turn before the oncoming traffic gets going.

[RyeSloan]

The new style traffic lights that go green for the cyclists a few seconds before the green for cars. I’ve started to notice more and more drivers using the cyclists green as an excuse to get away quickly and make a right turn before the oncoming traffic gets going.

Not a bad idea that one! Might use it myself [emoji2957][emoji2957]

[lord bunberry]

Not a bad idea that one! Might use it myself [emoji2957][emoji2957]
You’ll burn in hell for a thousand years if you do :greengrin

[RyeSloan]

You’ll burn in hell for a thousand years if you do :greengrin

Ach I’ve probably got a few thousands years on that tab already so might still risk it [emoji23]

[Scouse Hibee]

Not a bad idea that one! Might use it myself [emoji2957][emoji2957]

I already do 😁

On another note no one will ever be bothered again by the alleged reckless driving of a yellow branded La Favorita Fiat 500 😁

[lord bunberry]

Ach I’ve probably got a few thousands years on that tab already so might still risk it [emoji23]
The cyclists will hunt you down :greengrin

[lord bunberry]

I already do 😁

On another note no one will ever be bothered again by the alleged reckless driving of a yellow branded La Favorita Fiat 500 😁
Have they got rid of them?

[Scouse Hibee]

Have they got rid of them?

Yes, I have already spotted a few of them for sale at Arnold Clark, they are all white when unwrapped.

[Scouse Hibee]

People who park right on junctions of residential streets, not only do they narrow the junction but sometimes when turning right you can’t see anything coming unless your nose is more or less in the path of oncoming traffic. Especially vans as you can’t see through them as you can a car.

[overdrive]

People who park right on junctions of residential streets, not only do they narrow the junction but sometimes when turning right you can’t see anything coming unless your nose is more or less in the path of oncoming traffic. Especially vans as you can’t see through them as you can a car.

I was at a junction the other day which had double yellows to stop this... so to get round this, a van had simply parked on the pavement instead of the road.

[lord bunberry]

People who park right on junctions of residential streets, not only do they narrow the junction but sometimes when turning right you can’t see anything coming unless your nose is more or less in the path of oncoming traffic. Especially vans as you can’t see through them as you can a car.
Absolutely, I dropped off in the old school building half way up lochend road the other day. There was a van parked on both sides of the exit right on the corners. You’re basically using the force to get out and hoping no one hits you.

[matty_f]

People who park right on junctions of residential streets, not only do they narrow the junction but sometimes when turning right you can’t see anything coming unless your nose is more or less in the path of oncoming traffic. Especially vans as you can’t see through them as you can a car.

That’s brutal when folk do that. The other thing is when cars park opposite each other on a narrow street so you’ve got just the width of your car to get through the gap they’ve left.

[Scouse Hibee]

You’re driving along and see a car ahead of you waiting to cross your line of traffic to turn right from a side road. There’s a massive gap between you and nothing coming from other direction so you are wondering why they haven’t gone as they have a clear view of a clear road both sides. They wait and wait and then when you are almost upon them they pull out!

[Killiehibbie]

That’s brutal when folk do that. The other thing is when cars park opposite each other on a narrow street so you’ve got just the width of your car to get through the gap they’ve left.

In the days before cameras everywhere some people used to take great delight in knocking their mirrors off when squeezing through in their battered old vans.

[Hibrandenburg]

That’s brutal when folk do that. The other thing is when cars park opposite each other on a narrow street so you’ve got just the width of your car to get through the gap they’ve left.

Here in Berlin you often see the police, a tow truck and fire brigade driving around the side streets. If the fire engine has trouble getting through anywhere due to parked cars, they get towed and impounded. No ifs or buts, they're gone.

[Onceinawhile]

Here in Berlin you often see the police, a tow truck and fire brigade driving around the side streets. If the fire engine has trouble getting through anywhere due to parked cars, they get towed and impounded. No ifs or buts, they're gone.

How do they decide which car gets towed?

Like say I park on one side then someone else comes along and parks opposite so the fire engine can't get through?

[Hibrandenburg]

How do they decide which car gets towed?

Like say I park on one side then someone else comes along and parks opposite so the fire engine can't get through?

The roads are designed so that if the cars are correctly parked, then fire engines would have no trouble getting past, however some parking infringements would normally only warrant a ticket from a warden. I guess the fire engine is brought to enable the police to say without any doubt that the parking infringement was a hinderance for the fire brigade gaining access to any particular area. It also serves as a visual reminder to drivers/parkers that there is a real danger caused by irresponsible parking infringements.

[Jack]

Folk wearing masks when they're alone in their own car!

Why?

[Scouse Hibee]

Folk wearing masks when they're alone in their own car!

Why?

Similar to my neighbour wearing one when he does his garden or washes his car?

[speedy_gonzales]

Folk wearing masks when they're alone in their own car!

Why?
Private car, then who knows, but in shared vehicles I can understand it.
The company I work for are encouraging personnel to use their own vehicles when there isn't enough company vehicles to abide with social distancing rules, they're also asking all employees in shared vehicles to use masks/gloves when driving and a full wipe down afterwards with anti-bac wipes.

[hibee_girl]

The traffic lights at the bottom of Easter Road.

They weren’t working yesterday morning and the traffic was actually flowing much better.

A pain for pedestrians of course but still, the traffic was great :greengrin

[lord bunberry]

The traffic lights at the bottom of Easter Road.

They weren’t working yesterday morning and the traffic was actually flowing much better.

A pain for pedestrians of course but still, the traffic was great :greengrin
Those lights are a classic example of solving a problem that didn’t exist.

[hibee_girl]

Those lights are a classic example of solving a problem that didn’t exist.

:agree:

It's a nightmare around that whole area at the minute especially with Links Gardens still closed, Leith Walk only one way and the roadworks at Constitution Street.

[Pretty Boy]

The traffic lights at the bottom of Easter Road.

They weren’t working yesterday morning and the traffic was actually flowing much better.

A pain for pedestrians of course but still, the traffic was great :greengrin

I don't understand why they got rid of the roundabout there. The turn from Duke Street onto Vanbrugh Place (I think) is ridiculously sharp. It's almost impossible not to stray into the lane for turning up Lochend Road.

[hibee_girl]

I don't understand why they got rid of the roundabout there. The turn from Duke Street onto Vanbrugh Place (I think) is ridiculously sharp. It's almost impossible not to stray into the lane for turning up Lochend Road.

They said it was to help the flow of traffic when Leith Walk was closed for tram works but I don't see how it's helped at all.

The traffic today at one point was backed up from the bottom of Easter Road to Tamson's bar.

[Jack]

They said it was to help the flow of traffic when Leith Walk was closed for tram works but I don't see how it's helped at all.

The traffic today at one point was backed up from the bottom of Easter Road to Tamson's bar.

I think that was because of (yet another accident) on the Tamsons junction. Maybe there should be lights there!

[heretoday]

Hot news! It's traffic hell out West approaching Drum Brae from all directions. Roadworks on Meadowplace Road outside Tesco have temp lights. The rush hour will be fun. Avoid!

[Scouse Hibee]

Hot news! It's traffic hell out West approaching Drum Brae from all directions. Roadworks on Meadowplace Road outside Tesco have temp lights. The rush hour will be fun. Avoid!

Chaos, took me more than ten minutes to get out of Tesco car park.

[grunt]

Hot news! It's traffic hell out West approaching Drum Brae from all directions.... Avoid!Traffic hell in the East and in the City Centre too. Three way lights at Jock's Lodge, no right turn London Road to Willowbrae Road, York Place closed westbound, and the Cowgate also closed westbound. Blimey.

[weecounty hibby]

The only time I'm in Edinburgh with the car is for the football and that is bad enough. I can't imagine what it's like for folk who live in the city or surrounding areas. It looks like the council want to make anywhere in Edinburgh a car free area

[Jack]

Gorgie Road closed to through traffic as well.

Don't suppose that will bother many on here!

[J-C]

I started back working in the taxi this week, back to the chaos 😫

[Future17]

Traffic hell in the East and in the City Centre too. Three way lights at Jock's Lodge, no right turn London Road to Willowbrae Road, York Place closed westbound, and the Cowgate also closed westbound. Blimey.

Took me about 70 mins from Waterloo Place to Sighthill the week before last. Unbelievable how many streets are closed.

[silverhibee]

What happens when you break down on Ferry Road now, one accident will bring that road to a standstill and the knock on effect will be mental.

[Moulin Yarns]

Took me about 70 mins from Waterloo Place to Sighthill the week before last. Unbelievable how many streets are closed.

Try getting to Lochgilphead right now. That's a proper road closure. 😉

[lord bunberry]

I had to take someone from Waverley to the shore yesterday, it took half an hour. Easter Road was horrendous. When do the tram works on the Champs Eleithy finish?

[Peanut Shaz]

Try getting to Lochgilphead right now. That's a proper road closure. 😉

I was on the OMR on Wednesday. Quite a sight to see the after effects of the landslide close up. Scary stuff.

[Moulin Yarns]

I was on the OMR on Wednesday. Quite a sight to see the after effects of the landslide close up. Scary stuff.

I'm heading to Tighnabruaich at the beginning of November. Fingers and everything thing else is crossed.

[ACLeith]

The traffic lights at the bottom of Easter Road.

They weren’t working yesterday morning and the traffic was actually flowing much better.

A pain for pedestrians of course but still, the traffic was great :greengrin

They were off again today late afternoon and yes, traffic flowed well. Maybe someone knows where the on/off switch is

[heretoday]

I note that traffic roundabouts are soon to be leased out to advertisers.
I suggest that this is going to distract drivers - after all, that's exactly the intention!
Very irresponsible I reckon.

[CropleyWasGod]

I note that traffic roundabouts are soon to be leased out to advertisers.
I suggest that this is going to distract drivers - after all, that's exactly the intention!
Very irresponsible I reckon.

Fife already do this, I think.

I don't look at them, and I suspect most drivers don't, which defeats the point of the ad in the first place.

[silverhibee]

I note that traffic roundabouts are soon to be leased out to advertisers.
I suggest that this is going to distract drivers - after all, that's exactly the intention!
Very irresponsible I reckon.

The roundabout at bottom of Pennywell Road has some signs in it saying "Advertise Here".

[hibee_girl]

The roundabout at bottom of Pennywell Road has some signs in it saying "Advertise Here".

Same as the roundabout at Cameron Toll

[Moulin Yarns]

Fife already do this, I think.

I don't look at them, and I suspect most drivers don't, which defeats the point of the ad in the first place.


I first saw it in New York and New Jersey states.


Very common now in other local authorities. Perth has signs saying that this roundabout is sponsored by, but the council don't keep them weeded and they look unkempt. If I was a business I would be withholding payment.

[Speedy]

I note that traffic roundabouts are soon to be leased out to advertisers.
I suggest that this is going to distract drivers - after all, that's exactly the intention!
Very irresponsible I reckon.

Should be banned. Same with the big roadside advertising boards and the folk who park their advertising trailers on the bridges above the bypass.

And don't get me started on the 'beep beep' radio ad

[CropleyWasGod]

Should be banned. Same with the big roadside advertising boards and the folk who park their advertising trailers on the bridges above the bypass.

And don't get me started on the 'beep beep' radio ad

Most drivers won't be looking at any ads whilst they're negotiating ****-shows like Crewe Toll. These ads are aimed at passengers.

[Saturday Boy]

Probably posted several times before, but drivers who think that traffic pulling over to allow an emergency vehicle with a blue light to pass, is the ideal opportunity for them to overtake. What goes on in their heads .

[Scouse Hibee]

Think I’ve said this before but as you drive along looking for a parking space only to find there isn’t one, stopping, double parking and putting your hazards on is not acceptable.It made absolutely no difference to the queue of cars now stuck waiting for oncoming traffic to ease to squeeze past you that you have indicated five minutes with your hand and said sorry as you run to the nearest shop.

[Future17]

Think I’ve said this before but as you drive along looking for a parking space only to find there isn’t one, stopping, double parking and putting your hazards on is not acceptable.It made absolutely no difference to the queue of cars now stuck waiting for oncoming traffic to ease to squeeze past you that you have indicated five minutes with your hand and said sorry as you run to the nearest shop.

I was behind a lorry which parked up with the hazards on at the Portobello crossroads earlier...it had just pulled into the left hand lane and just stopped at the front of the queue with the lights on green!

[Speedy]

Most drivers won't be looking at any ads whilst they're negotiating ****-shows like Crewe Toll. These ads are aimed at passengers.

Aye, most will be fine. It's the rest I'm concerned about :greengrin

[Future17]

Fife already do this, I think.

I don't look at them, and I suspect most drivers don't, which defeats the point of the ad in the first place.

Dundee has them on the Kingsway and some are known by their sponsor names. That's probably because Dundee has 3,019,561 roundabouts (circles) though.

[Killiehibbie]

Probably posted several times before, but drivers who think that traffic pulling over to allow an emergency vehicle with a blue light to pass, is the ideal opportunity for them to overtake. What goes on in their heads .

Worse than them are the ones who sit blocking the road oblivious to the big red truck behind them with flashing lights and sirens trying to get past. I often wonder if their reactions are always as slow.

[Scouse Hibee]

Elderly drivers whose years have sadly rendered their driving skills less than acceptable to be safely on the road.

[Moulin Yarns]

Elderly drivers whose years have sadly rendered their driving skills less than acceptable to be safely on the road.

Ageism is alive.

Reminds me of the story of the girl who took her brother with her to the garage when her car was needing some work and the garage mechanic addressed all the discussion to the brother, she eventually said to the mechanic 'do you know what I do for a living? I'm chief engineer for a formula 1 team'

True story. Without knowing the circumstances you can't stereotype.

[Peevemor]

Ageism is alive.

Reminds me of the story of the girl who took her brother with her to the garage when her car was needing some work and the garage mechanic addressed all the discussion to the brother, she eventually said to the mechanic 'do you know what I do for a living? I'm chief engineer for a formula 1 team'

True story. Without knowing the circumstances you can't stereotype.

To be fair, Scouse didn't say all elderly drivers.

There are definitely some who should no longer be driving, but there are "young" people who are every bit as dangerous.

[Future17]

Ageism is alive.

Reminds me of the story of the girl who took her brother with her to the garage when her car was needing some work and the garage mechanic addressed all the discussion to the brother, she eventually said to the mechanic 'do you know what I do for a living? I'm chief engineer for a formula 1 team'

True story. Without knowing the circumstances you can't stereotype.

And she didn't fix her own car?!? :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

And she didn't fix her own car?!? :greengrin

I think it might have been under warranty 🤔

[Scouse Hibee]

Ageism is alive.

Reminds me of the story of the girl who took her brother with her to the garage when her car was needing some work and the garage mechanic addressed all the discussion to the brother, she eventually said to the mechanic 'do you know what I do for a living? I'm chief engineer for a formula 1 team'



True story. Without knowing the circumstances you can't stereotype.

It’s not ageiism at all.
My own Dad recognised when his years had caught up with him and took himself off the road. Just pointing out that others don’t and it is sometimes clear to witness their now lack of safety on the road.
Certainly not stereotyping either.

[silverhibee]

That f***ing helicopter that keeps flying over the house every 40 minutes or so, all day yesterday and looks like it will be going on all day today..

[Moulin Yarns]

That f***ing helicopter that keeps flying over the house every 40 minutes or so, all day yesterday and looks like it will be going on all day today..

Who's driving it? :wink:

[sleeping giant]

That f***ing helicopter that keeps flying over the house every 40 minutes or so, all day yesterday and looks like it will be going on all day today..

Those metal hallides are a big giveaway :greengrin:

[silverhibee]

Who's driving it? :wink:

The pilot is driving it. :greengrin

[silverhibee]

Those metal hallides are a big giveaway :greengrin:

Blaming the edible I had last night. :cb :thumbsup:

[Danderhall Hibs]

It’s not ageiism at all.
My own Dad recognised when his years had caught up with him and took himself off the road. Just pointing out that others don’t and it is sometimes clear to witness their now lack of safety on the road.
Certainly not stereotyping either.

I reckon you should have to resit your test every year after reaching 70.

[lord bunberry]

I reckon you should have to resit your test every year after reaching 70.
You should have to give up your license at that age. I know it’s not nice, but there needs to be a limit set. Look at that case in mornigside earlier in the year. I’ve driven for a living for a large part of my life, but I’m prepared to accept that at some point my ability to get myself out of trouble will be diminish as I get older. Take the uncertainty away and impose an age limit.

[lapsedhibee]

You should have to give up your license at that age. I know it’s not nice, but there needs to be a limit set. Look at that case in mornigside earlier in the year. I’ve driven for a living for a large part of my life, but I’m prepared to accept that at some point my ability to get myself out of trouble will be diminish as I get older. Take the uncertainty away and impose an age limit.

At some point people's ability to look after other people will diminish. Take away that uncertainty and ban grandparents from childminding at age 70?

[Scouse Hibee]

At some point people's ability to look after other people will diminish. Take away that uncertainty and ban grandparents from childminding at age 70?

Pretty sure the parents of children can make their own decision as to wether their own parents are capable of looking after the grandkids.
Older drivers are often reluctant to give up their licences regardless of their failing ability as it would remove their independence in getting out and about easier, oblivious to the fact that they have become a danger on the roads.

[Scouse Hibee]

Drivers who when they get to a junction where a side road joins a main road, position themselves right in the centre so a car behind turning in the opposite direction cannot get alongside them. Hence as they wait for a break in the traffic to turn right you have to wait to turn left even though you could have turned left ages ago.

[Killiehibbie]

Drivers who when they get to a junction where a side road joins a main road, position themselves right in the centre so a car behind turning in the opposite direction cannot get alongside them. Hence as they wait for a break in the traffic to turn right you have to wait to turn left even though you could have turned left ages ago.
Maybe it's because they're afraid of getting hit by another clown turning right from the main road who can't turn a corner. I often wonder if they just don't have a clue or if they do it deliberately?

[ACLeith]

You should have to give up your license at that age. I know it’s not nice, but there needs to be a limit set. Look at that case in mornigside earlier in the year. I’ve driven for a living for a large part of my life, but I’m prepared to accept that at some point my ability to get myself out of trouble will be diminish as I get older. Take the uncertainty away and impose an age limit.

Why would you force me off the road at 70? IIRC the person involved in the accident you mention was over 90?

[Hiber-nation]

Why would you force me off the road at 70? IIRC the person involved in the accident you mention was over 90?

Exactly. What a load of utter bollox.

[Jack]

Exactly. What a load of utter bollox.

Of course it is although it won't be long before I'll be stopped at the border of Danderhall ;-)

There is however a genuine concern that as we get older some of our faculties are not as good as they once were. There are a number of conditions where you can be advised by your doctor, optician or other health professional not to drive but I don't think they advise the DVLA and the individual can just not pass the information on.

[ACLeith]

Of course it is although it won't be long before I'll be stopped at the border of Danderhall ;-)

There is however a genuine concern that as we get older some of our faculties are not as good as they once were. There are a number of conditions where you can be advised by your doctor, optician or other health professional not to drive but I don't think they advise the DVLA and the individual can just not pass the information on.

I agree Jack. But that doesn’t lead to a blanket ban at a particular age. What’s next? A ban from ER if someone can compare the current squad to the Famous Five? (BTW knowing some on here that’s meant to be a joke, okay?)

[Peanut Shaz]

Perhaps there's a bit of room for a compromise re when is the right time to stop driving. I don't think a full driving test would be necessary but some sort of assessment on certain situations/reaction times could be beneficial, maybe every 2 years. I think families also have step up . I personally had to convince my own Dad, over a period of time, to stop driving as it was getting tougher and tougher to sit as a passenger and try to remain calm. He resisted at first but eventually accepted his driving days were over.

[lord bunberry]

Why would you force me off the road at 70? IIRC the person involved in the accident you mention was over 90?
70 probably isn’t the right age but there has to be a cut off or a test to determine whether people can still drive safely.

[lord bunberry]

Exactly. What a load of utter bollox.
It not utter bollox, as I said 70 is maybe to young, but there should be some kind of age limit.

[speedy_gonzales]

At some point people's ability to look after other people will diminish. Take away that uncertainty and ban grandparents from childminding at age 70?

Dunno if 70 is the right age but parents of young children can put undue pressures on the grandparents to look after their kids when perhaps they're not fit for the task in hand.
I'd always pledged I would never rely on my parents for childcare (they get plenty of visits/sleepovers) but I got caught out once when my daughter was around 5. Reluctantly I left her with my dad who was only 65 at the time and retired (mum still working). She was with him for 4 hours (1000-1400) and when I went to pick her up my dad was sleeping on the couch and my daughter was playing in front of a lit, open flame gas fire.
There was a Barbie doll with singed hair stuck to the carpet!
I don't blame my dad, it was my responsibility and I made a mistake. I've managed my time better so I've never had to put any of us in that position again.
But, I have a very good friend who has 5 boys of various ages (youngest is <2), they get left regularly with his 80 year old mum during summer hols and she definitely can't cope.
A grandparent will never say no when it comes to childcare.

P.S apologies for unforseen thread hijack.

[ACLeith]

It not utter bollox, as I said 70 is maybe to young, but there should be some kind of age limit.

I would support the idea of having to be assessed every few years after a certain age, but using a precise age to stop folk driving is not right.

I agree with many of the "driving peeves" on this long thread, most of which are caused by drivers who are decades younger than me. Of course I think I am still a good driver - who doesn't? Anyway, I need to sign off as I've a few boy racers/whippersnappers I want to go out and show up before listening to our match. :greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

There's an arbritary lower age limit for when you can drive so why not an upper limit? I'm sure there are many 15 and 16 year old who are perfectly capable, physically and mentally, of driving.

Personally I'd not be supportive of an outright ban but it stands to reason that someone's reaction times will slow as they get older. A basic competency test after age 70 might be a good idea. I'd go further and suggest everyone driving should have to undergo an assessment on a 5 year basis.

[Hiber-nation]

It not utter bollox, as I said 70 is maybe to young, but there should be some kind of age limit.

Having to just give up your licence at 70 is utter bollox to me. Thinking of older (say late 70s+) drivers I know/knew, almost all of them realised themselves when their time was up. But I do admit there is a problem with some old people's driving skills deteriorating. I would hope that their GPs could play a part by advising them if they thought that reactions etc were diminishing but this obviously isn't going to completely solve it.

[lord bunberry]

Having to just give up your licence at 70 is utter bollox to me. Thinking of older (say late 70s+) drivers I know/knew, almost all of them realised themselves when their time was up. But I do admit there is a problem with some old people's driving skills deteriorating. I would hope that their GPs could play a part by advising them if they thought that reactions etc were diminishing but this obviously isn't going to completely solve it.
On reflection I think an age limit is wrong, but I do think a test of some sort when you reach a certain age would be a sensible way to go.

[Danderhall Hibs]

So we’re agreed then? At the age of 70 you have to resit a driving test every year.

[weecounty hibby]

Why resit your test at 70 or any age? Why not do it every 5 or ten years. Some of the worst driving you will ever see is from folk in their 20s. I passed my test when I was 17 and now more than 34 years later no one has ever checked to see how good bad or indifferent my driving is.

[Speedy]

Why resit your test at 70 or any age? Why not do it every 5 or ten years. Some of the worst driving you will ever see is from folk in their 20s. I passed my test when I was 17 and now more than 34 years later no one has ever checked to see how good bad or indifferent my driving is.

Can't see it happening. Would put too many jobs at risk.

[speedy_gonzales]

Why resit your test at 70 or any age? Why not do it every 5 or ten years. Some of the worst driving you will ever see is from folk in their 20s. I passed my test when I was 17 and now more than 34 years later no one has ever checked to see how good bad or indifferent my driving is.

I'd agree that some of the most reckless driving I've seen over the years is mostly deliberate behaviour from "younger" drivers, but I've also witnessed a shed load of potentially dangerous (but not intentionally so) driving from driver's that I'd politely class as senior citizens.
Having a threshold where a competence check is carried out can't be a bad thing?
And I realise you're not questioning your own abilities by using the elapsed years from testing to today for effect, but it genuinely isn't a bad idea to have your driving appraised by taking a 1-2 hour refresher lesson or going through an IAM Advanced Driving Course.
I've been driving for 28 years and reckon I've had my driving appraised every 10 years through my work (3rd largest fleet in UK) and putting myself through a motorbike test as well as a one off advanced driver lesson.
For as much as we all think we're competent drivers at worst, Lewis Hamilton at best, I'll happily admit that I did pick up some tips and had some minor traits corrected.

[speedy_gonzales]

Can't see it happening. Would put too many jobs at risk.

Considering the amount of folk that are killed on our roads each year, never mind injured, perhaps that's even more reason to have our fitness & competence to drive checked on a more regular basis. Would probably actually create jobs of anything.

[ACLeith]

And after the chat about 70+ and tests I nearly was involved in an accident this afternoon!

Driving along Great Junction Street towards the Ferry Road lights, a cyclist drove off the far pavement, cut across the road, oblivious to me (he certainly couldn’t hear me cause he had earphones in), saw me at the last moment and swerved away. He smiled inanely when he saw me say “that was a bit silly old chap!”

Cyclists of all ages should have to prove they gave even opened the Highway Code 😡😡

[lapsedhibee]

On reflection I think an age limit is wrong, but I do think a test of some sort when you reach a certain age would be a sensible way to go.

:agree: 65 wouldn't necessarily be too young for that.

[Jack]

Just for a laugh I'm going to suggest anyone that doesn't pass their test first time shouldn't get another chance.

After all being a competent driver only 50% of the time just isn't good enough. Don't get me started on those individuals regularly congratulated in the media for their perseverance at passing at their 30th attempt!

[ACLeith]

Just for a laugh I'm going to suggest anyone that doesn't pass their test first time shouldn't get another chance.

If you pass first time you think you know it all, passing second time means you combine confidence with carefulness.

PS guess how many times I sat my test??

[CropleyWasGod]

Any cyclists been in the new bike lanes yet?

While the lanes themselves look wide enough, they've plonked stone bases on the inside of the white line,which reduces their width. Not sure I fancy them on a windy day, or when the gutter is full of slippy leaves.

[lapsedhibee]

Any cyclists been in the new bike lanes yet?

While the lanes themselves look wide enough, they've plonked stone bases on the inside of the white line,which reduces their width. Not sure I fancy them on a windy day, or when the gutter is full of slippy leaves.
They're not great for overtaking.

[McD]

Maybe it's because they're afraid of getting hit by another clown turning right from the main road who can't turn a corner. I often wonder if they just don't have a clue or if they do it deliberately?


i see clowns in both directions. I agree with you, so many folk who cut the corner badly when turning right from the main road.

it’s as bad with the folk turning left from the main road, many go so wide they’re well into the lane going in the opposite direction! And get humpty when the people waiting to turn left or right get annoyed at their car almost getting hit, just because other drivers can’t judge speed and/or the angle of the corner

[EH6 Hibby]

I know this will have been raised on this thread before, (maybe even by me), but why do some people not indicate? I’m genuinely interested, by the law of averages, there must be some people on here that don’t do it. Will anyone own up to it and explain their reasoning for it? I’d say laziness, but how hard is it to flick a lever that is 2 centimetres from your hand? I honestly can’t think of any reasons behind it.

[Jones28]

People who brake, brake, brake then indicate to let the world know where they intend to go. Rips my knitting.

[matty_f]

I know this will have been raised on this thread before, (maybe even by me), but why do some people not indicate? I’m genuinely interested, by the law of averages, there must be some people on here that don’t do it. Will anyone own up to it and explain their reasoning for it? I’d say laziness, but how hard is it to flick a lever that is 2 centimetres from your hand? I honestly can’t think of any reasons behind it.
Great question. Would love to know the answer to this as well.

[McD]

Great question. Would love to know the answer to this as well.


especially those people who think they’re not needed at roundabouts!

[hibee_girl]

especially those people who think they’re not needed at roundabouts!

One of my friends once told me I was so good at indicating at roundabouts

You’re supposed to be! :greengrin

[Scouse Hibee]

especially those people who think they’re not needed at roundabouts!

Nearly as bad as those who don’t know when to indicate on a roundabout.

[McD]

Nearly as bad as those who don’t know when to indicate on a roundabout.


:agree:, and those who have no idea of lane discipline on roundabouts

[weecounty hibby]

:agree:, and those who have no idea of lane discipline on roundabouts

That is a belter. I have dented a few doors while on my bike due to fuds who don't understand the rounda bit of roundabout and think it's ok to go straight over, even when someone is inside them

[Future17]

That is a belter. I have dented a few doors while on my bike due to fuds who don't understand the rounda bit of roundabout and think it's ok to go straight over, even when someone is inside them

Maybe they just prefer the "bout" aspect. :greengrin

[Northernhibee]

Low emission zones, however well intended they may be.

If you want to reduce the amount of cars in city centres then you need to make public transport affordable, reliable and efficient.

Taking older cars out of the city centre impacts people who drive them, often because that’s what they can afford. If they commute in, forcing them out of where the work often is forcea them into unaffordable finance deals or not getting to work at all, public transport is truly no cheaper than driving from my experience (in fact, often more expensive).

I get the feeling that LEZ’s are there because they’re easiest, not most efficient at tackling pollution.

[CropleyWasGod]

They're not great for overtaking.

I rode one the other day. There's not a lot of room for error 😱

[McD]

People who get to the pump at the petrol station, and sit in their car for ages!!!:grr:

Got to the garage this morning, no empty pumps so waiting behind 2 cars sitting at the pumps in front of me. The farthest one, the guy is just starting to put the fuel, all good.

The nearest car, can't see anyone, assume they're in the shop, after sitting for minutes, someone opens the driver's door, farts about with their mask, then the gloves!!! What have you been doing, and stop faffing about!!!:grr:

[Moulin Yarns]

People who get to the pump at the petrol station, and sit in their car for ages!!!:grr:

Got to the garage this morning, no empty pumps so waiting behind 2 cars sitting at the pumps in front of me. The farthest one, the guy is just starting to put the fuel, all good.

The nearest car, can't see anyone, assume they're in the shop, after sitting for minutes, someone opens the driver's door, farts about with their mask, then the gloves!!! What have you been doing, and stop faffing about!!!:grr:

The people who queue at pumps when there is a vacant one, but not on the right side for their fuel cap. Having said that, I was able to go in and fill up this morning without having to wait, like everyone else.

Agree with the point about people who take ages. The car in front of me was paying at the pump, I arrived, filled up, went into the kiosk and paid, and I was quicker than she was.

[speedy_gonzales]

Probably said too many times before, but ignorant drivers!
Cityfibre works on South Gyle Crescent. The road is down to virtually one lane in one direction adjacent to Gregg's. If I can, I'll stop and let larger vehicles/buses pass in the other direction, when I do I invariably get an acknowledgment from the drivers, but then behind them are all the ignoramuses who, I can only assume, maybe think I've just stopped in the middle of nowhere for no particular reason.
Very few of them acknowledge me stopping when I could just plough through (their lane is obstructed). And without sounding sexist, it is quite often the ladies out there that fail to stick a thumb up or an open palm of thanks!

[Scouse Hibee]

The people who queue at pumps when there is a vacant one, but not on the right side for their fuel cap. Having said that, I was able to go in and fill up this morning without having to wait, like everyone else.

Agree with the point about people who take ages. The car in front of me was paying at the pump, I arrived, filled up, went into the kiosk and paid, and I was quicker than she was.

I agree on the petrol pump one, the queue is created by folk only wanting to use the correct side for their car, daftness personified.

[Moulin Yarns]

Probably been covered, but drivers not acknowledging you when you have given way. I've been driving on single track roads yesterday and today. Most people are good at a wave or lift a hand, but white van drivers seem to think it's OK to ignore you.

[overdrive]

Drivers who don’t fully go into the turning lane and hang over into the outside lane. There’s plenty of room for you get your vehicle fully in there, so do it!